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January 28th, 2007 at 23:13:39  From: Susan
Then F'ing go live somewhere where you can!!! Don't come to the west and expect everyone to adjust their way of living to you and your desires!!!
January 28th, 2007 at 23:33:55  From: Marra
Ditto!
"Vote" with your feet, by all means.
January 29th, 2007 at 00:38:02  From: Wasted
Yada, Yada, Allah...
Why in the hell would they want to live near a bunch of us "infidels" anway, unless they like our sex, drugs and rock 'n roll?
January 29th, 2007 at 00:44:24  From: 
Islam is evil.......just like all religion. I do agree with the above though. If they are dumb enough to WANT to be forced to live under draconian relgious laws, go to an Islamic nation and do it. Get the hell out of here with your stone age shit.
January 29th, 2007 at 01:32:22  From: 
Islam is wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, WRONG! Please: can somebody "lay it out" why Islam isn't a fucking joke?
January 29th, 2007 at 01:39:45  From: polarbear
If they really feel this way, then maybe they don't belong in western civilizations. Please feel free to go back where your beliefs will be welcome. Make your women wear that damn burka. Don't give women an education. You'll suffer in the end. We will not change to meet your needs. We have enough to deal with our own crazy fundies.
January 29th, 2007 at 02:13:26  From: tulsademo
i agree that it makes no sense for people that want sharia law to live in a westen nation. but the hosiltty toward the west would not be as bad if the middle easten policy of the us and brittan was not so one sided. once the policy is more even handed the hosillty toward the west would greatly weaken and the power of the extremist would go down. Also i feel the chistian extrrmist with falwell and dobson are just as dangrous.
January 29th, 2007 at 02:46:23  From: johns
The Brits should make it clear to them that if they try to practice that law in the UK, they'll be deported.
January 29th, 2007 at 03:10:08  From: 
can we deport people like dobson and pat robertson too. get rid of all the religous nuts!
January 29th, 2007 at 03:37:25  From: gypski
Let 'em go live in the fucking desert and other near barren lands and live under some bullshit god's laws. I don't give a rat's ass, but don't come trying to convert me or you will find yourself in paradise much sooner then anticipated. Then they will find out that paradise doesn't exist outside of their wacked out mind. In other words, don't come here again motherfuckers or you will get to kiss Allah's ass and give him a rim shot!
January 29th, 2007 at 04:26:35  From: sally
Then relocate AT ONCE to one of the nations that support this medieval, rigid life. And stop bothering the rest of the world with your hate filled 'religion'. Now, Scram.
January 29th, 2007 at 04:58:46  From: Moe
UK citizen
LOL, at you idiots, you're acting like the ultra right wingers over at danielpipes.org. First of all, you're using a poll (in which only 1,003 people voted) as evidence of muslims being radicalized. Second, when people think of Sharia, they think of countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and their Wahhabi/extremist lifestyle with rules such as stoning, cutting off hands, and giving women no rights. Most of he people I know here are muslim, and I can tell you that even though a few them impose Islamic law on their family, they most definitely don't want these type of rules used. And please people, veils (making a women look like a ninja) are NOT part of the islamic law, when in the media they cover stories on UK muslims are always shown to the point where the person watching at home think that most of the muslim women here wear it, but in reality most of these ladies are Yemeni women who grew up in a strict conservative household, hijab is all that is needed in Islamic law. The extremists here (even though a minority, they're a growing problem) seem to be getting most of the media attention here when offering their opinion on how they want to take over the UK and turn it into a muslim country, let me tell you now that these people not only do not have the support, they don't have the political power and never will, in the end they will most likely try to launch terrorist in the country, something which will lead to the expulsion and deportation of all muslims here in the UK.
January 29th, 2007 at 05:24:57  From: Mad Max
UK Mulslims: On to Jihad!
Multiculturalism 'drives young Muslims to shun British values' 29.01.07 East meets West: women on the streets of Birmingham The doctrine of multi-culturalism has alienated an entire generation of young Muslims and made them increasingly radical, a report has found. In stark contrast with their parents, growing numbers sympathise with extreme teachings of Islam, with almost four in ten wanting to live under Sharia law in Britain. • 'Radical Muslims are the mirror image of the BNP' says Cameron The study identifies significant support for wearing the veil in public, Islamic schools and even punishment by death for Muslims who convert to another religion. Most alarmingly, 13 per cent of young Muslims said they "admired" organisations such as Al Qaeda which are prepared to "fight the West". The poll exposes a fracture between the attitudes of Muslims aged 16 to 24, most of whom were born in Britain, and those of their parents' generation, who are more likely to have been immigrants. A report published alongside the poll, commissioned by the Right-wing think tank Policy Exchange and carried out by Populus, said the doctrine of multi-culturalism was at least partly responsible. A series of Labour ministers have broken recently with the idea that different communities should not be forced to integrate but should be allowed to maintain their own culture and identities. Trevor Phillips, head of the Commission for Racial Equality, and Dr John Sentamu, the Archbishop of York, have also expressed serious doubts about multi-culturalism. Academic Munira Mirza, lead author of the report, said: "The emergence of a strong Muslim identity in Britain is, in part, a result of multi-cultural policies implemented since the 1980s which have emphasised difference at the expense of shared national identity and divided people along ethnic, religious and cultural lines." The poll of 1,000 Muslims, weighted to represent the population across the UK, found that a growing minority of youngsters felt they had less in common with non-Muslims than their parents did. While only 17 per cent of over-55s said they would prefer to live under Sharia law, that increased to 37 per cent of those aged 16 to 24. Sharia law, which is practised in large parts of the Middle East, specifies stonings and amputations as routine punishments for crimes. It also acts as a religious code for living, covering dietary laws and dress codes. Religious police are responsible for bringing suspects before special courts. The poll found that just 19 per cent of Muslims over 55 would prefer to send their children to Islamic state schools. That increased to 37 per cent of those aged 16 to 24. If a Muslim converts to another religion, 36 per cent of 16-to-24-year-olds thought this should be punished by death, compared with 19 per cent of 55s and over. According to the poll, 74 per cent of those aged 16 to 24 prefer Muslim women to wear the veil, compared with only 28 per cent of over 55s. The report by Miss Mirza, British-born daughter of Pakistani immigrants, concludes that some Muslim groups have exaggerated the problems of "Islamophobic" sentiment among non-Muslim Britons, which has fuelled a sense of victimhood. The vast majority of Muslims – 84 per cent – believed they had been treated fairly in British society. And just over a quarter – 28 per cent – believed that authorities in Britain had gone "over the top" in trying not to offend Muslims. The Government has been accused of failing to tackle the so-called "preachers of hate". No one has convicted under legislation introduced to deal with such figures. One radical cleric, Abu Hamza, was allowed to encourage extremism for years before finally being prosecuted – but under separate laws and only under threat of him being extradited to the U.S. Muslim Labour MP Shahid Malik said the poll findings were disturbing. "There are evil voices out there and this poll shows some of them are definitely having an impact. "People are still turning a blind eye and hoping it will all go away. It cannot and it will not of its own accord. "Of course the Government has a role, but with the Muslim community itself more has to be done to acknowledge that this challenge exists. "For years, I have argued that the British National Party is a white phenomenon which it is up to the white community to address. Well, extremism exists in the name of Islam and that's something the Muslim community has to take leadership on. "It's my view that the mainstream, umbrella Muslim organisations have not risen to the challenge and don't accept the depth of the problem that's facing them." Mr Malik said one legal change which could help address radicalisation was to make committees of faith leaders who run mosques legally responsible for inflammatory statements made on their premises. Baroness Uddin, the only female Muslim peer, said the poll did not reflect her experiences of the views of most members of the community. But she said many young Muslims who had been born in the UK did have completely different attitudes to their parents and grandparents, who migrated into this country from overseas. "Whereas we said, 'This isn't our home, we have to fit in, we have to contribute', young people do have a sense that this is now their home and they are prepared to say what they don't like about it. "They have asserted their identity and gone deeper into their religion. It would have been unheard of for someone like me, as a 16-year-old, to have complained about England. "But now, when young people go through difficulties in terms of job opportunities and education, they do make their opinions known." Baroness Uddin said she agreed with the "majority view" that British foreign policy had also aggravated Muslim grievances. The Labour MP for Birmingham Perry Barr, Khalid Mahmood, said: "Our young people have been allowed to fall into the hands of fringe organisations who are getting at them at universities, schools, colleges and mosques. They are being manipulated. "It's difficult for the Government to prescribe a way forward for the Muslim community. I don't think it can do that. "It's up to the mainstream, national Muslim organisations, who frankly have failed."
January 29th, 2007 at 05:27:18  From: Fallaci Admirer
Virgil Goode right, No Muslim Immigration
The Koran is not a valid basis for oaths to non-Islamic Republics or Kingdoms. If you want B2 bomber crews with prayer rugs, do nothing. If you want to stop that, tell your Congressman and Senator to stop Muslim immigration. Kennedy has said he will bring back hundreds of thousands of refugees from Iraq once we start our pull out.
January 29th, 2007 at 05:49:44  From: Jonathan
HAHAHAHAHA!!! Raw Story is being invaded by the muslim hating hardcore conservatives. I agree with Moe, why don't you go to the UK and see how muslims there are like and what they think in person instead of judging them from internet news articles. The people who are posting here are most likely the product of people who do not have contact with muslims in their daily lives.
January 29th, 2007 at 05:59:09  From: 
Muslim urged to shun 'unholy' vaccines
The Sunday Times January 28, 2007 Muslim urged to shun 'unholy' vaccines Abul Taher A MUSLIM doctors’ leader has provoked an outcry by urging British Muslims not to vaccinate their children against diseases such as measles, mumps and rubella because it is “un-Islamic”. Dr Abdul Majid Katme, head of the Islamic Medical Association, is telling Muslims that almost all vaccines contain products derived from animal and human tissue, which make them “haram”, or unlawful for Muslims to take. Islam permits only the consumption of halal products, where the animal has had its throat cut and bled to death while God’s name is invoked. Islam also forbids the eating of any pig meat, which Katme says is another reason why vaccines should be avoided, as some contain or have been made using pork-based gelatine. His warning has been criticised by the Department of Health and the British Medical Association, who said Katme risked increasing infections ranging from flu and measles to polio and diphtheria in Muslim communities. Katme, a psychiatrist who has worked in the National Health Service for 15 years, wields influence as the head of one of only two national Islamic medical organisations as well as being a member of the Muslim Council of Britain. Moderate Muslims are concerned at the potential impact because other Islamic doctors will have to confirm vaccines are derived from animal and human products. There is already evidence of lower than average vaccination rates in Muslim areas, reducing the prospect of the “herd immunity” needed to curb infectious diseases such as measles, mumps and rubella. Katme’s appeal reflects a global movement by some hardline Islamic leaders who are telling followers torefuse vaccines from the West. In Nigeria, Afghanistan, Pakistan and parts of India, Muslims have refused to be immunised against polio after being told that the vaccines contain products that the West has deliberately added to make the recipients infertile. Katme said he was bringing the message to Britain after analysing the products used for the manufacture of the vaccines. He claimed that Muslims must allow their children to develop their own immune system naturally rather than rely on vaccines. He argued that leading “Islamically healthy lives” would be enough to ward off illnesses and diseases. “You see, God created us perfect and with a very strong defence system. If you breast-feed your child for two years — as the Koran says — and you eat Koranic food like olives and black seed, and you do ablution each time you pray, then you will have a strong defence system,” he said. “Many vaccines, especially those given to children, are full of haram substances — human parts, gelatine from pork, alcohol, animal/monkey parts, all coming from the West who do not have knowledge of halal or haram. It is forbidden in Islam to have any of these haram substances in our bodies.” Katme singled out vaccines such as MMR as ones to avoid, despite doctors saying that they are essential to keep a baby healthy. Others included those for diphtheria, tetanus, acellular pertussis and meningitis. Dr Shuja Shafi, a spokesman for the health and medical committee of the Muslim Council of Britain, said: “In terms of ingredients in vaccines, there are so many things that are probably haram, but in the absence of an alternative we are allowed to take it for the sake of our health.”
January 29th, 2007 at 06:05:12  From: 
I cannot shake your hand, sir. I'm a Muslim and you're a m
I cannot shake your hand, sir. I'm a Muslim and you're a man 20.01.07 A Muslim woman police officer has sparked a new debate by refusing to shake hands with Britain's most senior police chief for religious reasons. The incident happened at a passing-out parade where Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair was inspecting a line-up of 200 recruits. In addition to refusing a traditional congratulatory handshake from Sir Ian, the WPC - who wore a traditional Muslim hijab headscarf - also declined to be photographed with him as she did not want the picture used for 'propaganda purposes'. The woman had earlier insisted that it was contrary to her religious teaching for her to touch a man. Now The Mail on Sunday has learned that her gesture has sparked top-level discussions at Scotland Yard. Some officers argue that her attitude towards men might impede her ability to detain offenders. However, it is clear that she is happy to come into contact with men, just not shake their hand or kiss them. An inquiry has now been launched and the unidentified WPC - described as 'a non-Asian Muslim' - could face the sack if it is considered that her strict religious beliefs prevent her performing as an effective police officer. However, senior commanders are worried that dismissing her would deepen the atmosphere of mistrust between the police and the Muslim community. The incident happened at Imber Court, Scotland Yard's sports and conference centre at Thames Ditton in South West London, when the 200 recruits attended a passing-out parade having completed their 18 weeks' basic training. A senior police source said: "Before Sir Ian arrived she told her training supervisor that she was not going to shake his hand because it was against her religion. "She also said she did not want her picture taken with the commissioner because they would only use it for propaganda. "Sir Ian was informed on his arrival of the officer's request. This has never happened before and he was bloody furious. But he agreed to go along with it so as not to cause a scene. "He went out and shook the hand of every single new recruit apart from her. It was very obvious and very embarrassing. "There was a great deal of discussion about it afterwards. People were asking how the hell is she going to make an arrest if she refuses to touch men." Having completed her 18 weeks' initial training, the WPC has now been assigned to a West London police station as a beat bobby. Like all newly qualified officers, she will remain on probation for two years to satisfy her superiors that she is suitable for the job. A Scotland Yard spokeswoman said of the Imber Court incident on December 21 that normally the police would have refused a request not to shake Sir Ian's hand. "It was only granted by members of training staff out of a desire to minimise any disruption to other people's enjoyment and to ensure the smooth running of what is one of the most important events in an officer's career,' she said. "The commissioner did question the validity of this request and the matter is being looked at by the MPS." The spokeswoman added that the officer has completed all basic training, including the safety course 'which requires recruits to come into physical contact with each other regardless of gender'. Asked about the officer's ability to make an arrest, she said: "There is a standard between personal and professional life. A passing-out parade is a personal event. You are not fulfilling a professional duty there." Scotland Yard has allowed Muslim WPCs to wear an adaptation of the hijab since 2001. But, despite a vigorous recruitment campaign, there are still only around 300 Muslims among the Met's 35,000 officers and fewer than 20 are women. The incident is the latest in a series of 'political correctness' and race-related rows under Sir Ian's command at the Met. Last October, at the height of the Israel-Lebanon conflict, PC Alexander Basha, 24, was moved from Diplomatic Protection Group duties at the Israeli Embassy because he feared his Lebanese relatives could be targeted if he was seen on TV. In June 2005 Sir Ian was judged to have 'hung out to dry' three white detectives - who were accused of rudely mispronouncing "Shi'ites' - to prove his anti-racist credentials. An employment tribunal said that while he was deputy commissioner in charge of discipline and diversity he had prejudiced disciplinary proceedings against the men because he wanted to make an example of them.
January 29th, 2007 at 06:10:05  From: 
Reality Avoidance
Jonathan: Keep on reading. Keep on denying. Keep on avoiding the reality of how Islam is practiced in a democratic and open culture like the UK.
January 29th, 2007 at 06:56:31  From: Allen
Sorry to say but this really is something to worry about.
I recommend reading the chapters on British extremists and their goals in the (btw very funny): Them: Adventures with Extremists by Jon Ronson
January 29th, 2007 at 07:02:16  From: Allen
I'm sick of people who...
Find something in the Koran and think that is what the practiced religion must be. That same call to kill is in the Bible but normal responsible people ignore that crap. It isn't the "book" it is particular organizations that need attention. ANY organization that has a in its charter, that you can defy the public laws, should be declared an illegal organization. Don't LEAP to the stupid conclusion that the Bible or the Koran represents a religious group's LITERAL guide.
January 29th, 2007 at 07:02:47  From: 
London Mosque DVD: Jews Face Mass Extermination
London Mosque DVD: Jews Face Mass Extermination 12:26 Jan 12, '07 by Ben Gedalyahu A leading mosque in London is selling DVDs that proclaim the coming mass extermination of Jews around the world on a "day of judgment." It also attacks Christian groups and the United Nations. The London Central Mosque, also known as Regent's Park Mosque, is "the spiritual focal point for Muslims" throughout Great Britain, the European Jewish Press reported. It is also home to the Islamic Cultural Center, which educates Muslim children. The report said that a British television station will air on Monday a documentary on Muslim extremism in Britain, and will report the selling of the DVD. The DVDs are being sold at the London Central Mosque Shop. One excerpt shows a preacher, Sheikh Feiz, imitating the sounds of a pig and referring to the Jewish people who will be killed on the "day of judgment." Another preacher, Sheikh Yassin, states that United Nations missionaries and Christians conspired to inject an AIDS virus in inoculations against diseases in Africa. Faced with charges of selling the DVDs, the manger of the shop at the mosque said there were only 10 DVDs and all of them have been sold. He claimed that the supplier asserted the excerpts were taken out of context. The television documentary discusses Muslim extremism and the July 2005 attacks on London's transportation system, which killed 52 people.
January 29th, 2007 at 07:04:24  From: 
It would be nice to choose what laws you can follow. These Islamists are trying to undermine the society they live in. They are dangerous people and must be watched closely.
January 29th, 2007 at 07:05:49  From: 
UK:Dream of martyrdom revealed by suicide note'
The Times January 17, 2007 'Dream of martyrdom revealed by suicide note' Sean O'Neill One of the alleged 21/7 bombers wrote a suicide note in which he prayed for Allah to accept his deed as an act of martyrdom, Woolwich Crown Court was told yesterday. Nigel Sweeney, QC, for the prosecution, said that two copies of the note written by Ramzi Mohammed, the alleged Oval bomber, were found during the police investigation. One, in draft form, was found torn into pieces but the second, perfected version, was said to have been discovered intact. The Crown also alleged that a suicide video was filmed at some point by the 21/7 cell. A digital camera was recovered when Hussein Osman was arrested in Rome but its memory card was blank. A headband and a background banner emblazoned with religious slogans were recovered from Mr Mohammed’s flat in West London. The suicide note was, Mr Sweeney said, evidence of the intent of the defendants when they set out with homemade bombs, made of hydrogen per- oxide-based explosives, on their backs. Mr Mohammed’s note was hand-written on lined pages from an exercise book in a mixture of Arabic and English. It began with a lengthy hymn of praise to Allah, described as “the commander of the mujahidin”. It continued: “Think not those who are killed in the path of Allah as dead, nay they are alive with their Lord and they having provisions. First of all I beg Allah to accept this action from me and he to Allah. To whom belongs the power and majesty, makes it a sincere one and that he admits me to the highest station in paradise, for verily he grants martyrdom to whomever he wills. “Secondly my family, don’t cry for [me]. But indeed rejoice in happiness and love what I have done for the sake of Allah for he loves those who fight in his sake. I pray to Allah, the mighty, that he keeps your heart sealed to this religion. “My family, practice your religion and hold tight to the rope of Allah and don’t let go. Pray your five daily prayers so that you may be saved from Hell and by the permission of Allah I may intercede for you ... “My children, be good Muslims and obey your mother. Pray your prayers and read (the) Koran. Adam, look after your little brother, Malik, and we shall meet again in paradise, God willing. May Allah keep your mother’s heart sealed to this religion. Peace be upon you, God’s blessing and mercy.” It was signed Ramzi Mohammed. Mr Sweeney said that the existence of the note and the strong evidence that a video had been filmed were crucial. Extracts of the note were read to the jury and a copy of it was shown on screens around the courtroom. Mr Sweeney said: “What is that if it is not a suicide note, if the next meeting is to be in paradise and martyrdom is to be granted to whomever he wills?”
January 29th, 2007 at 07:10:59  From: 
Jihadism: Beware America
The UK contending with Islamic -fundementalism is a foreshadowing of what is in store for America. DO NOT IGNORE these examples of the trends within UK's Islamic community. The "Blind Sheik", and his followers, who orchestrated the FIRST WTC bombing are examples of how THEY leverage their FREEDOMS in America and taking advantage of their "host-country's" democracy in an effort to bring-it-down. This is not a Liberal/Conservative issue. This a concern for ALL American to be aware of. This is not a scar-tatic, this is everyday news in the UK.
January 29th, 2007 at 07:13:47  From: Jim C
Hey Moe
The sample they used " 1,003 " is a valid ( and rather standard ) polling sample , it would have about a 3% margin of error if properly done . Also , you don't " vote " in a poll its an opinion survey , I saw nothing in the article to give me the idea it was improperly done . I am about as liberal as you can get , but I tend to agree with some of the other posters . If someone wants to live in a repressive 14th century theocracy then by all means move to one . I would be all for the government supplying one way tickets to the islamic wonderland of their choice and don't let the door hit you in the ass .
January 29th, 2007 at 07:14:28  From: 
UK Jihadi Bombers
LONDON (Reuters) - Seven Britons accused of plotting to bomb clubs, trains and synagogues in England planned to take their fight to Pakistan and Afghanistan if they had succeeded, prosecutors told a court on Tuesday. ADVERTISEMENT "The overall desire was to further the (cause) of jihad (Holy War) wherever and however it could be achieved," prosecution lawyer David Waters said in what police have described as Britain's biggest terrorism trial since September 11 attacks on the United States. British forces are fighting the militant Islamist Taliban in Afghanistan. The seven are accused of conspiring to bomb high profile targets, possibly including London's Ministry of Sound nightclub and the huge Bluewater shopping center in Kent using bombs made from fertilizer. The defendants -- Anthony Garcia, Jawad Akbar, Omar Khyam, his brother Shujah Mahmood, Waheed Mahmood, Nabeel Hussain, and Salahuddin Amin -- deny conspiring to cause an explosion "likely to endanger life." Garcia, Khyam and Hussain deny possessing an article for terrorism -- the fertilizer. Khyam and Mahmood deny having aluminum powder, an ingredient in explosives. Britain suffered its worst peacetime attack on July 7, 2005, when four British Islamists blew themselves up on three London underground trains and a bus, killing 52 people and wounding more than 700. Authorities say another such attack is wholly possible. The prosecution said the trial was not a witch-hunt against the defendants' religious beliefs. "Of course it would be ludicrous to approach the allegations in a vacuum and pretend the backdrop or religious or political motivations does not exist," Waters said. "But having acknowledged that it is only a backdrop, what we are concerned about are allegations of crime."
January 29th, 2007 at 07:25:33  From: Gandhi
Deport citizens?
Is that what some of these white christian uberpatriots are suggesting? And who is going to be deported next? But, of course, deportation is easier than thinking. Why do these second generation Brits not feel at home in the UK? Could it be that they face discrimination and racism, causing them to look for something that gives them comfort? I don't have the answer but I can't rule it out. Immigrants have an obligation to integrate (which does not mean that they have to deny their background). But the accepting society has obligations as well. Shouting racial slurs is not one of them. The second generation Brits know why their parents had left their homeland. For them to favor the old country/way of life serious rejection is the likely explanation. And rejected people often turn become militants. If the west wants to prevent Muslim extremism (or any kind of extremism) they have to do a better job at giving a future to these people. The Black Panthers had only a chance because of the way Blacks were treated. In a color blind society ethnicity based extremism doesn't stand a chance. But when you look at the posts here showing racist tendencies you know that there is still along way to go.
January 29th, 2007 at 07:40:34  From: 
Gandhi: Most of the "posts" here are news articles citing the tendencies of the UK Moslem community. It is the nature of radical Islam that is being taught in UK Mosques and religous schools that is fostering the noted combative and insular form of Iskam being practiced. The UK is about as open, secular, and multi-cultural a representation of DEMOCRACY as one can find on this planet. Unfortunately, radical Islamists are taking advantage of these liberties to spew their 14th century venom. It is up to the UK Islmic community to counter this violent sect with a more moderate version of Islam that fits into contemporary society. Do not give them a PASS. DO not look for excuses on their behalf. They are responsible for their own actions. If they do not manage their own destiny, they invite others to do so for them.
January 29th, 2007 at 07:47:11  From: 
Muslims in police will rise up
Muslims in police will rise up, Bakri insists By Mike Hirst and Adam Lusher, Sunday Telegraph Last Updated: 12:02am GMT 21/01/2007 Moderate British Muslims in the police, Armed Forces and Civil Service will one day revolt against the system to "crush it from within", according to Omar Bakri Mohammed, the notorious Islamic extremist. Omar Bakri Mohammed claimed that the world was a better place after the July 7 bombings in London In claims condemned as a cynical attempt to create division, the co-founder of the extremist al-Muhajiroun group said that Britain was "digging a deep hole" for itself by allowing Muslims into the Services and Whitehall. Speaking exclusively to The Sunday Telegraph in Lebanon, where he moved in August 2005 — at about the time it emerged the British authorities might charge him with incitement to treason — he claimed police officers, soldiers and civil servants would one day become radicalised. "When you start to ask Muslims to join your Army and your police you are making a grave mistake. That British Muslim who joins the police today will one day read the Koran and will have an awakening," he said. "Those moderates are one day going to be practising Muslims. Now what happens if they are British police or in the Army and they have weapons? How much information do they have about you that they will use to serve the global struggle? advertisement"They will revolt against the system if they have been failed by your foreign policy which is oppressive against Islam, or have been contacted by people who believe Britain is a domain of war." In remarks almost certain to cause widespread anger among the survivors and relatives of victims, he also claimed that the world was a better place after the July 7 bombings in London. "I believe it is a better place for Islam and Muslims… but not for non-Muslims. What's happening around the world is good and positive for Islam." The comments were condemned by moderate Muslim leaders. Ibrahim Mogra, the chairman of the Interfaith Relations Committee of the Muslim Council of Britain, said: "This is part of an attempt to create divisions both within the Muslim community and the wider society. "On the contrary, the more a Muslim police officer becomes a practising Muslim, the more loyal he will become, the more he will realise his duty to his country and the need to contribute to its well-being." He added: "People are entitled to their views, but we actually have our own scholars and imams, who are still in this country, not abroad, and who talk about contributing to Britain and the responsibilities that we have to it." Bakri Mohammed came to Britain in 1985 after being expelled from Saudi Arabia. He was rapidly derided as "the Tottenham Ayatollah". His inflammatory pronouncements have included calling the September 11 terrorists the "Magnificent 19". He disbanded al-Muhajiroun in 2004. Shortly after the July 7 attacks Tony Blair announced the group would be banned as part of a series of measures against condoning or glorifying terrorism. After Bakri Mohammed left for Beirut he was banned from returning to Britain. The Government deemed his presence "no longer conducive to the public good". In Beirut last week, a relaxed Bakri Mohammed sipped freshly-squeezed strawberry juice in an upmarket restaurant overlooking the Mediterranean. He took pleasure in hearing media reports about Abid Javaid, 41, of Thornton Heath, Surrey, a civil servant in the Immigration and Nationality Directorate, who was exposed late last year as a leading member of the extremist organisation Hizb ut-Tahrir (HT), which Mr Blair had wanted to ban. This was despite Bakri Mohammed's admission: "I left HT in 1996 and they condemn what I stand for." Bakri Mohammed readily confirmed that he had officiated at the wedding of Pc Alexander Omar Basha, his relative by marriage. In October, however, when the diplomatic protection officer faced controversy after being excused guard duties at the Israeli embassy, Bakri Mohammed admitted Pc Basha's views were far more moderate than his own and even complained: "If I'd have known [he was a policeman at the time of the wedding] I would never have married them. My advice to all Muslims in the police is to leave their jobs."
January 29th, 2007 at 08:20:06  From: 
Religion is wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, WRONG! Please: can somebody "lay it out" why Religion isn't a fucking joke?
January 29th, 2007 at 08:36:42  From: trippin
Time for the UK to start exiling or executing non-Anglicans. One must fight medieval thinking with medieval thinking. Oh, and let's bring back the broad sword, just for the ceremonial execution of any survivors of the strafing of the neighborhoods. We have to make an example of them. Too harsh? Bear in mind that they would behead us with a butter knife if we gave them the chance.
January 29th, 2007 at 08:44:42  From: 
Time for the UK to start exiling or executing non-Anglicans
trippin: Interesting approach, but, a bit draconian. Perhaps an alternative approach could be thought-leadership by modern-Islamists to counter the fanatacism of the fundementaist-sect now leading British Moslems. Less likely this measured way to effect radiacl reaction to YOUR thoughtful method.
January 29th, 2007 at 08:44:47  From: 
You ban religion. That's the answer. Prove it, or go to a mental institution. And yes, European Muslims ARE being radicalized, because they see themselves as being picked on and abused, and in some cases like France they're right. But England has done things up to and including tolerating outspoken terrorist threats in their country, so I think they've gone above and beyond the limits of tolerance.
January 29th, 2007 at 09:10:02  From: alex
Look at Palestine. It used to be fairly liberal and the most educated region of the middle east. But it's become increasingly radicalized. They need integration and moderation. Not radicalization.
January 29th, 2007 at 09:22:40  From: 
This is exactly what UBL wants
Man Bush is either stupid or a secret al qaeda agent. The more the US occupies Iraq; then the more people in the ME turn to Saudi Wahabbism to fight back. 9-11 was not meant to destroy America; UBL is not that stupid; it was because UBL calculated that this would be EXACTLY the US response. Its Bush that emboldens Jihad. And British muslims watching on will agree more and more with their co-religionists as they naturally would feeling common bonds with them.
January 29th, 2007 at 09:23:53  From: Fallaci Admirer
All Holocausts of Infidels are But One.
Adams on Jihad War, Dhimmitude, and the Muslim View of Non-Muslims; Examples of the Perfidy of Muslim States, Including the Ottoman Turkish State quote “[More from the Ottoman Sultan’s pronouncement to his subjects]...‘all infidels are but one nation…This war must be considered purely a religious and national war. Let all the faithful, rich or poor, great or little, know, that to fight is a duty with us; let them then refrain from thinking of arrears, or of pay of any kind; far from such considerations, let us sacrifice our property and our persons; let us execute zealously the duties which the honor of Islamism imposes on us – let us unite our efforts, and labor, body and soul, for the support of religion, until the day of judgement. Mussulmen have no other means of working out salvation in this world and the next.’” end quote. The Sultan was ruler of the Ottoman Empire, which was part of the genocide of Christians in the 19th and 20th centuries. The Armenian genocide, aka Christian genocide, included incidents in the 1890's of hundreds of thousands being killed. By Andrew G. Bostom FrontPageMagazine.com | September 29, 2004
January 29th, 2007 at 09:46:02  From: nostrafarious
Madalyn Murray O'Hair
“Religion has caused more harm than any other idea since the beginning of time. There's nothing good I can say about it. People use it as a crutch.” ..... “Organized religion is a sham and a crutch for weak-minded people who need strength in numbers.” ..... “Religion is induced insanity.” ..... ...... ...... ..... ..... Madalyn Murray O'Hair
January 29th, 2007 at 10:13:03  From: Tom3
Stupid Moslem Bashers
Islam isn't the issue, it is Sharia. You can have Islam without Sharia law. Islam can be just as modern and compassionate and good as other religions. Sharia law is medieval and brutal. Britain should NOT allow Sharia law. Nigeria did and now they have a lot of problems. If those people want to live under Sharia law, they can move to a country that has it.
January 29th, 2007 at 10:14:00  From: Rex
Good for Islamic men, NOT the women!
..I'm guess this is Islamic men who agree with this..NOT the women...! Since under Islamic Law - Men basically can trample all over women..almost literally, and get away with it! When it comes to Islamic law, there's a double standard where women are concerned!
January 29th, 2007 at 10:15:24  From: Tom3
Fascist Admirer = IDIOT
Rep. Ellison took a CEREMONIAL oath on a Koran. The actual legal oath of office for new Reps does not have ANY books. The ceremonial oath is a PHOTO OP and has no legal standing. So, Fascist Admirer once again proves he is an idiot by whining about a PHOTO OP. Repuke moron.
January 29th, 2007 at 10:28:46  From: puke
Fuck off, women-hating Muslims
Go back to the desert where you belong. DEPORT THESE DINOSAURS. Moderate, modern Islam is welcome, but Sharia-worshippers can get fucked up the ass by a pig.
January 29th, 2007 at 10:30:52  From: emkay
I don't support two things!!..................
ONE-The ignorance and stupidity exhibited by the hate filled racists and bigots who have posted here. Your predictable cliche comments come as no surprise TWO- The stupdity and ignorance exhibited by Religious Fanaticism blinded by hatred for others of different faiths. This kind of ruthless behaviour and sentiment, no matter what religion, has been our main source of suffering since time immemorial!! Gawd-Damm the belief in "Sky Fairies", and while I'm at it--Politics and our "inbred" greed and lust for "stuff"...............and the belief that "we are better than...........................!!????###@@@
January 29th, 2007 at 10:47:55  From: USA
UK is Ignorant
People can live by their own rules if it doesn't affect the society's rules. Why are Brits so afraid of others living under Sharia law if they wish. It doesn't affect you. The posts here show the great ignorance of the Brits.
January 29th, 2007 at 10:56:02  From: emkay
great ignorance of the Brits?..........
most of the ignorant comments sound "Amerkun" to me
January 29th, 2007 at 10:56:36  From: 
This is what we get when the mass delusionists (organized religions) continue doing what they have been doing to people throughout the history of mankind. Each one fully engaged in believing that their delusion is the only delusion that is correct. Nothing good can ever come out of this deluded way of thinking from either side. The only hope is that evolution will eventually devolve religion out of existence, then maybe humans can move forward.
January 29th, 2007 at 11:00:30  From: Krotos Hairetikos
This is why the UK needs a written constitution,
which, similarly to the American constitution, enshrines freedom of (and from) religion. It would be a lot harder for various groups to chip away at fundamental Western/British values if they were explicity articulated in a foundational legal document and required a very lengthy and onerous procedure to modify.
January 29th, 2007 at 11:13:59  From: GG
Why is it that some of you think that our opposition to radical Islam is rooted in racism or in an adhernce to Christianity. I am a leftist and an agnostic, and yet I agree with the above posters. No Sharia law should be allowed in the West. If they want that ridiculous tripe, then go to an Islamic theocracy and have it. You can't oppress your women here. We won't stand for it. Secondly, this is not rooted in racism. Muslims CHOOSE to be Mulsim. There's no race to Islam, and one is not born a certain race to be a Muslim. It's a choice, like all religions are. You can choose tomorrow to follow a differnet path. I choose to follow no religion. It isn't racism. It's intolerance for people that abuse the hell out of other people (mostly women). Why the hell SHOULD we be expected to tolerate that shit? Get the hell out of here if you wish to oppress people in the name of your sky fairy. No racism, just facts.
January 29th, 2007 at 11:14:57  From: Tom3
Islam does NOT equal Sharia
Modern Moslem countries do NOT have Sharia law. Turkey has a secular government. Sharia law is antiquated and brutal, much like old Mosaic law. They don't stone people to death for wearing a red dress or eating a bacon cheeseburger in Israel anymore. You can have Islam without Sharia.
January 29th, 2007 at 11:17:00  From: Tom3
Sharia Law explained
"There is not a strictly codified uniform set of laws pertaining to Sharia. It is more like a system of devising laws, based on the Quran, Hadith and centuries of debate, interpretation and precedent." Reminds me of old English Common Law, and the "rule of thumb" that measured how big a stick you could beat your wife and kids with.
January 29th, 2007 at 11:17:35  From: Third Stone
January 29th, 2007 at 12:00:30 Krotos Hairetikos said: "This is why the UK needs a written constitution, which, similarly to the American constitution, enshrines freedom of (and from) religion." Hey, Krotos, our founding fathers didn't have religion in mind when they formed our country. Quite the contrary... The religious views of the Founding Fathers are of great interest to propagandists of today's American right, anxious to push their version of history. Contrary to their view, the fact that the United States was not founded as a Christian nation was early stated in the terms of a treaty with Tripoli, drafted in 1796 under George Washington and signed by John Adams in 1797: "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enimity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinion shall ever produce an interrruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." Also, Thomas Jefferson in his letter to Peter Carr stated: "Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."
January 29th, 2007 at 11:22:33  From: 
Why do people act so surprised muslims would rather be ruled under a just system where money is irrelevant and poor people are treated the same as rich people? they dont get that now.
January 29th, 2007 at 11:30:26  From: Bobo the Clown
I'm a lefty liberal atheist
And I agree that if someone wants to practice Sharia, they should go where it is acceptable. Religion is horseshit in the first place, but any religion that claims women are inferior are double bullshit. And if you notice, that is nearly ALL religions. There's a reason religion exists, its purpose is to control the masses. That's all it ever was for. Anyone who doesn't realize that has to wake up and stop believing in a big bearded daddy-figure watching them from up in the clouds. Religion is induced insanity, as the above commenter said. I agree also with whatever commenter begged for some evidence that any religion is legit. There's no proof. Science has explained away everything that used to make people create a god to explain it. So, we don't need a 'god' anymore. Unless you're a moron or delusional.
January 29th, 2007 at 11:32:55  From: Third Stone
January 29th, 2007 at 12:22:33 Unamed said: "Why do people act so surprised muslims would rather be ruled under a just system where money is irrelevant and poor people are treated the same as rich people? they don't get that now." Doing the above means that you have turned your brain and thought processes over to mass delusionists to do what they have done throughout history to mankind. When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called Religion.
January 29th, 2007 at 11:35:03  From: Say What
Oh how easy it is to forget that the Jews at one time were primitive ie stoning women for the crime of prostitution. Oh how easy it is to forget that the Catholic Church ruled for almost 1500 years and carried out captial punishments ie burning heretics as if the Catholic Church had any legitimacy to go around and call others heretics. How we forget. So the Muslims are the Johnny come lately. The arguments that are being used against the Muslims can just as easily be used against the Christians and Jews when the Christians and Jews were at their peak which brings to mind the killings of the infidels in the name of the Jewish State Israel.
January 29th, 2007 at 11:46:07  From: Krotos Hairetikos
Third Stone
Yes, I agree with the people you quoted. My point was that a written constitution which specifically mentioned freedom of/from religion would make it a lot harder for any religious group to enforce some specifically religious policy, like Sharia law, on the larger society. The UK at present does not have such a constitution. As a result, Parliament, in theory, could simply declare Sharia law by majority vote. It's for the British to decide how to structure their government, but IMO they ought to consider making some of their rights a little harder to abolish. -K.Ai.-
January 29th, 2007 at 11:55:04  From: Mad Max
Say What: Give-em-a-Pass
Oh how easy it is to forget that; the rest of the world matured and evolved. Simply put, the Islamists never did! Sorry, but its a little late in the game to cop to the "late bloomer" BS! WHat's the matter Boo-Boo? Can't cope with the dysfunction of YOUR fave "under dog". Yes, I know. It the fault of the Jews and , oh yes, Bush. LOL!
January 29th, 2007 at 12:09:04  From: l
In Springfield Missouri where I live, Muslims/Middle Eastern people are very visible in the business community both as owners and customers. My daughter knows of none that go to her high school of 2000. The manager of a local grocery store I go to who is Muslim told me that he doesn't want his children going to American schools with their bad influenes. He told me most Muslims in town that he knows of home school their kids and that they are thinking about opening a Muslim school, except that they are afraid of government trying to interfere with it. I have known two American women who married men from the middle east. Both men seemed very "Westernized", didn't demand their wives become Muslim or follow Muslim rules. After children were born to these couples both men left the American women taking their children to the middle east never to be heard from again.
January 29th, 2007 at 12:16:57  From: MM
I agree with Tom3, A lot of modern muslim countries (Morroco, Jordan, Kuwait, Qatar, etc.) impose a reformed type of sharia, the one without the harsh sentences. The sharia is still debated among muslims on how and what should be imposed, a lot of the rules in the sharia are taken from Islamic sources such as Hadith and Sunnah (Mostly not the Quran), something which makes these rules optional since a lot of them have don't have no foundation in the quran, it;s a real complicated issue. That survey says that it's the young muslims who favor Sharia law more then their elders, for some reason I highly doubt that, a lot of the muslim youth I know in western countries are more secular and liberal in their thinking.
January 29th, 2007 at 12:25:00  From: Fallaci Admirer
9-11 was done by Young Muslims.
The Turkish genocide of Christians was done by Young Turks. The looting of Russa was done by Young Reformers as Janine Wedel pointed out in her book. Suicide bombers are often young, even teens. Many street criminals are teens.
January 29th, 2007 at 12:27:47  From: Tom3
The fascist takeover of the US was done by
Fascist Admirers. Traitors all.
January 29th, 2007 at 12:27:49  From: MM
@ 13:09:04 From: l
Wow, you're making these muslims sound like a bunch of suspicious freaks, LOL. Just because they don't to send their childern to a western type of high school to keep them away from corruption, doesn't mean anything, in fact, there are thousands of american parents who home school their childern for the same reason. As for the non-muslim women who married those arab muslims and just "vanished" never to heard from again, that was just funny and pointless, what are you trying to say?
January 29th, 2007 at 12:28:31  From: Fallaci Admirer
Hrant Dink was just killed by a young Turk
who shouted out I shot the infidel. We need to stop Muslim immigration. Lawrence Auster points out that just abstract dissing doesn't do diddly. We have to say it, stop all Muslim immigration. They are bringing it here. Jill Carroll's treatment by her kidnappers is the future for America, just as Jane Fonda's harangues are the past.
January 29th, 2007 at 12:32:27  From: Tom3
We Need To Stop Fascist Admirers
Arrest them for treason and lock'em up.
January 29th, 2007 at 12:36:49  From: have skunk
capitalist failure
Capitalism is failing these kids.
January 29th, 2007 at 12:42:39  From: Fed up atheist
Tom3
Might I suggest that if you are so impressed with Islam, and so desirious of defending it and making excuses for it, why don't YOU go to one of these Islamic theocracies and embrace the organized delusion that hates women and oppresses people? You seem so enamored with it. I'm sick of your defense of this indefensible faith. Religion is a sickness of the mind, and you are the enabler.
January 29th, 2007 at 12:50:53  From: 
They'd perfer to live under Sharia law? then they need to get the fuck out of England.
January 29th, 2007 at 12:52:14  From: USA
ignorance of the Brits
"great ignorance of the Brits?.......... most of the ignorant comments sound "Amerkun" to me" We have a lot of those too. Ever wonder why so much fighting occurs on the land of others and not that of the US and UK?
January 29th, 2007 at 12:53:59  From: l
I am trying to say that I believe most Muslims bring beliefs over here or to western Europe that are not compatible with those places. They have a right to believe anything they want, but do not have the right to have their own law. Most seem to want nothing to do with our society and are here because the financial prospects are better. Many don't want their children to achieve any sort of assimilation either and seem to think associating with non Muslims in any personlized way will be detrimental to them. In these cases they should just stay in the countries where they are comfortable with the beliefs and culture and try to change the economic system. In the cases of the men who took their chidren to the middle east I was trying to say that often people raised in this culture, especially men, have it so ingrained that even when it doesn't seem to be a predominate part of their life it often is and can come out unexpectedly in negative ways.
January 29th, 2007 at 12:58:37  From: USA
Go to a muslim country and be the targets of brutal imperialism. No thanks, I'm good.
January 29th, 2007 at 13:00:36  From: Brenda Thornton
Young Muslims want sharia
If these young Muslims want sharia law, then they should move their behinds back to one of their Muslim utopias and leave others alone.
January 29th, 2007 at 13:28:04  From: Fallaci Admirer
We need to stop Muslim immigration not just tell them
to go back. They won't go back on their own. We have to tell our Congressman and Senators to stop Muslim immigration. "" 13:32:27 From: Tom3 We Need To Stop Fascist Admirers Arrest them for treason and lock'em up." This illustrates the problem. Before implementing the Tom3 program, one would instead stop Muslim immigration.
January 29th, 2007 at 13:38:17  From: ssshhhh....
UK a DEMOCRACY? WHAT A JOKE!!! A country without a constitution you call it a democracy? Please!
January 29th, 2007 at 13:41:31  From: NOSTRAFARIOUS
Well said ssshhh!That's another "manipulation"!
January 29th, 2007 at 14:03:49  From: Jim C
To from
A just system ? Floggings , amputations ,stoneings and forced religious practice /
January 29th, 2007 at 14:12:41  From: 
A just system
Jim C: Let's not forget, one of my favorite Islamic-practices, HONOR KILLINGS.
January 29th, 2007 at 14:13:45  From: Jerry
@ 1
I see what you are trying to say, I know a lot of people legal and illegal immigrants (muslim and non-muslim) who come here for the same reason. As long as they are helping the economy grow, then it's good for America.
January 29th, 2007 at 14:14:41  From: 
Personally I think floggings have their place in society. If someone committs agregious crime that harms dozens, hundreds, or thousands of people, a public flogging, often would be a wonderful example. Since that person is usually conservative, the agonizing pain is one of the few ways they learn any kind of lesson at all.
January 29th, 2007 at 14:18:25  From: Rufus T Firefly
Evil Amish
No where in the poll does it say that young muslims want you to live under sharia law. It simply asks if they would prefer it. Where Sharia is compatable with our laws, I see no reason why they can't live by their own rules. We let the Amish. I'd even be in favour of letting the Mormons do their polygamy thing. As long as I am not bound to your ancient taboos - do your thing. Hear that DOMA freaks!
January 29th, 2007 at 15:02:26  From: 
It was 100-200 years ago when Mormons went to Salt Lake and the small amount of Amish decided to stay in their rural ways frozen in time. Having one group of several million over here with their laws and a few million over there with laws that suit them can never work. Anyone can call themselves a religion or culture. Leftovers from a hundred-two hundred years ago is not the same as allowing a bunch of other subcultures to take root in the U.S.
January 29th, 2007 at 15:10:07  From: Islam
Learn about REAL Islam here: www.submission.org
January 29th, 2007 at 15:22:42  From: Fallaci Admirer
Senators for Muslim immigration are against us.
So are Bush and Blair in that sense.
January 29th, 2007 at 15:30:53  From: Tom3
Fed Up Asshole
Typical Repuke dumbass, he needs remedial reading. I never said I liked Sharia law, you moron. I called it medieval and barbaric, you inbred Repuke. I said that modern Islam can do without it, you imbecile. It should be obvious that I do not like Sharia law, but I do not bash all Moslems with it.
January 29th, 2007 at 15:31:52  From: Jim C
You're right from
I forgot that noble practice . After all you can't have your honor besmirched , it would be an insult to your family ( or whats left of it ) and your wonderful peaceful religion . You say your daughter let a man see her hair ? Well our prophet ( peace be with him ) says cut off her head .
January 29th, 2007 at 15:35:16  From: Tom3
Sharia law = Mosaic law
They're both brutal and barbaric by today's modern legal standards. Funny how the Repukes are so critical of Sharia law but they're all Religious Reich Wingnuts who believe in the equally backward Mosaic laws in the Old Testament.
January 29th, 2007 at 15:35:23  From: Fallaci Admirer
Muslim immigration is a betray by Senators
Senators and Bush who have Muslim immigration after we were attacked in 1993 at WTC and again in 2001 at the same place and the Pentagon have betrayed us. To send our soldiers to die there while bringing Muslims here is a second betrayal. To call those who say stop it bigots is a third betrayal.
January 29th, 2007 at 15:58:50  From: Tom3
Fascist Admirer = Bigot
Repuke thinks all Moslems are terrorists. What an asshole.
January 29th, 2007 at 16:00:24  From: Muslims love (subservient) wom
Jews and Christians used to stone people - um, what's your point? They evolved and progressed, which Muslims haven't done. Deport these traitorous bastards out of the UK - send them where Sharia is already practiced.
January 29th, 2007 at 16:24:35  From: Jameel
@ January 29th, 2007 at 17:00:24
"Jews and Christians used to stone people - um, what's your point? They evolved and progressed, which Muslims haven't done."....Hey idiot, more then 95& of muslims around the world don't practice that law, it is mentioned no where in the quran. In fact, the quran mentions the non-muslims commiting the atrocious act of stoning among muslims. Iran & Pakistan should NOT be used an example of other muslim countries who practice modern law without contradicting Islam. A lot of people in both countries protest everyday to change those.
January 29th, 2007 at 16:25:26  From: Jameel
Correction
More then 95%
January 29th, 2007 at 16:37:48  From: 
Tom 3 has lost his mind--if he ever had one.
January 29th, 2007 at 16:42:52  From: LOL
The fact that Islam even HAS a Sharia Law shows how barbaric and backwards it is, whether people adhere ot it or not. And Tom3, you call everyone who disagrees with you a Christofascist Repuke, even though they have entirely different motivations for disagreeing with you on this issue. Most of the posters on here are liberal democrats and non-Christians who think Islam goes to far. That doesn't make us repuke fascist assholes, as you like to say. It just means we disagree with you. Boo hoo. You act like a spoiled child, and your debate tactics would embarrass a five year old. Grow up.
January 29th, 2007 at 17:26:59  From: fuck muslims
they're barbaric
Hey Jameel, how many fags did you hate today?
January 29th, 2007 at 17:49:48  From: Mohammed peace be upon me
Islam is a religion of peace
Kill homosexuals Stone women Murder infidels Death to apostates I wanna see those hands DRIPPING with blood now, come on!!!
January 29th, 2007 at 20:00:43  From: deport traitors
Loyal to the UK or clear out. Sharia is practiced in many nice climates, go there.
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