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November 23rd, 2007 at 12:56:14	From: blues
And Not Seen By Just Anyone!
This is the second time around for this story. When will you suckers out there going to wake up? RAW STORY IS TRYING TO DESTROY THE WHOLE FRICKIN UNIVERSE!!! THEY ARE THAT MAD -- BUSH ONLY WANTS TO DESTROY ONE LITTLE BLUE PLANET. THEY MUST BE STOPPED!!!

November 23rd, 2007 at 13:26:40	From: Raw-nchy
Big Bangs this RS !!

November 23rd, 2007 at 13:46:10	From: Ronald
Yawn. The global warming propaganda continues. Yes, mankind must be destroyed, and then we can decide what to do after that! Think I'll go read the Report From Iron Mountain for the 50th time.

November 23rd, 2007 at 13:50:37	From: blogster
whatever
hahahahahahah hahahahahahaha ahhahahahahhahhahah hahahahahhahah wake up!!!! its official.. MANKIND is so ARROGANT.. HE THINKS HE CAN ALTER the ENTIRE know UNIVERSE!!!!! laaaaaawwwwwwlllllllll.

November 23rd, 2007 at 14:14:31	From: Fallaci Admirer
Above are correct
The interpretation of quantum mechanics used by the authors of this article is not appropriate for this application. Quantum systems evolve without human observation. The authors claim the universe had already switched from one state to another before humans. Now they claim because humans observe the universe for the first time this causes a change of state by that alone, not the measurement apparatus itself. Cosmic rays already produce high energy events. The electronic apparatus used to observe dark matter is all composed of molecules acting at normal energy levels.

November 23rd, 2007 at 14:20:03	From: Pete
So do anti-global warming/ religious intolerants troll everything to do with science on the internet. And do they believe their Orwellian freedom is slavery speak changes a single mind? Give it a rest guys some of us would like to actually learn something.

November 23rd, 2007 at 14:30:29	From:
Pete (Pious?) this article belongs on The Onion.. Get science elsewhere... The joke is on you!

November 23rd, 2007 at 15:18:35	From:
I'm not sure if the guy writing the article screwed up the statement or the astrophysicists were joshing the guy or, FSM forbid, but the astrophysicists don't understand QM but the article is wrong, at the QM level anyway. This should be deleted.

November 23rd, 2007 at 15:42:45	From:
Such utter nonsense -- and these guys are paid for
coming up with stuff like this?

November 23rd, 2007 at 15:46:25	From: Bobbotov
Woo woo...
...all aboard the bullshit express.

November 23rd, 2007 at 15:50:38	From: Tre
Liberals are stupid enough to believe this crap. Oh, and, Chavez and Iran's president cannot be assassinated soon enough for me.

November 23rd, 2007 at 15:54:56	From: jimbo92107
I am so, so sorry!
I peeked, and now the whole universe is completely fucked up! I feel so bad... Even talking about looking up could be enough, because then somebody else might look up, and... Oh lordy, I think I'm going blind, and my cat is...dead!

November 23rd, 2007 at 16:10:32	From: NoOneYouKnow
Americans have already taken this aspect of quantum mechanics to heart; they're trying to save their government by paying no attention to it.

November 23rd, 2007 at 16:19:16	From: Fallaci Admirer
X-ray observations can't do what they say
"Five years ago, a team at the University of Alabama in Huntsville lead by Prof Richard Lieu reported finding large amounts of extra "soft" (relatively low-energy) x-rays coming from the vast space in the middle of galaxy clusters. Although the atoms that emitted them were thought to be spread thinly through space (less than one atom per cubit metre), they would have filled billions of billions of cubic light years." The observation used normal electronics to measure x-rays. We create x-rays on earth at x-ray machines. X-rays are part of atomic and molecular physics and are created and absorbed throughout the galaxy. The particular x-rays here were created in a supernova far away. All humans did was collect the x-rays here and look at their coherence properties to understand the meaning relative to a supernova. The scientists are, in effect, claiming that this activity by humans is changing the quantum state of the universe with regard to a deep parameter. However, the information about the super nova already exists in the coherence properties of the x-rays as they spread across the cosmos, its not created by the measurement. All the other x-rays from the event not looked at still have the same coherence properties.

November 23rd, 2007 at 16:33:46	From: buzzcut
"Cosmologists claim by observing dark energy the universe has been nudged closer to its death." That may very well be, however, cosmetologists are quick to point out that if more people would only come in for periodic facials as well as hair, skin, and nail treatments, the human race could look and feel so much better, and without doing any damage whatsoever to the universe.

November 23rd, 2007 at 16:36:32	From: BUSHES HOLIDAY CAMP
WELL I BET MY FLESH COLORED CHRIST THAT GLOWS IN DE DARK MADE IN CHINA..YOU FALLACI..YOUR SUCH A BRILLIANT EGGO HEAD..MAKE BUSH AND HIS FELLOW REPTILES DISAPPEAR AND YOU GOT THE NOBEL PRIZE FOR PROPER EXTERMINATION OF A BAD EXPERIMENT OF THE HUMAN CHROMOSOMES..YOUR SUCH A BRIGHT GURL ARE YOU NOT?

November 23rd, 2007 at 16:39:54	From: TonyRage
Fallaci Admirer. I think you missed the anaology to Schroedinger's Cat. The scientists are saying that by ackowleding the existing of dark matter, and the effect is has on the expansion of the universe (which can apparently expand only so far before... implosion?), we have created the possibility of increasing the speed at which the universe is heading towards it's end. Basically, we looked in the box, and saw the dead cat. Before that, the universe existed in two states simultaneously. The good news is that the difference between time at which the two universes will end, while possibly huge, is stil irrelavant because mankind will not be along to experience it. Something will smash us from space long before that happens.

November 23rd, 2007 at 16:53:05	From: Fallaci Admirer
Tony Rage Reduction has already happened
The Cat issue relates to say a measurement on say spin of an electron that can be up or down. The photons in this case have spread out all over the universe. The coherence properties used to make the inference are already in the x-rays at space like separations. Thus its long past the point at which reduction has happened when the light gets here. There are plenty of x-rays from the nova not observed by us, which have the same coherence properties. We therefore didn't change the state of the universe, it had already registered the needed coherence properties of the light long before the measurement was made. The paper by Einstein Podolsky and Rosen can be referenced on this and wiki or others should have articles on EPR. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_paradox

November 23rd, 2007 at 18:05:45	From: DS
Jst don't look up?
I guess we had all better have our eyes put out, because we are destroying everything just by lookin at it. Does this apply to all other forms of animal life also, or just people. Just think,, in a couple years this will proclaimed as another "fact" for the environuts to use in their mad dash to destroy 80% of humanity. Maybe after everyone finds this "fact" out, our species will "evolve" into sightless creatures which use sonar and telepathy to get around and live by. Man, this is some of the silliest shit yet but people just suck it up and believe it. How do they know that by just lookin at it we aren't changing it for the better? The whole idea is stupid.

November 23rd, 2007 at 18:30:38	From:
I made a mess of things and now all I have to do is look at it and it will change.

November 23rd, 2007 at 18:31:23	From: Jason
Fear of truth
It seems to me this is just the sort of "science" creationists can get behind. now even trying to figure out how the universe works could destroy it? Cute theory, but I hope it doesn't stand in the way of scientific progress until there's something more behind it than just a wild guess.

November 23rd, 2007 at 18:32:02	From: scientific method
The scientific method is the process of observing the universe, and then explaining it through testable, predictive hypotheses. Recently, many branches of science, but astrophysics in particular, have decided to throw out the scientific method and speculate with untestable, unpredictive, hypotheses which do science backwards- they start with a pretty math equation or an elegant theory, and then 'change the universe' to match the theory- that is, they invent what "must be" for their assumptions to be verified. Not enough observeable matter in the universe for things to act as the theories predict? Invent more matter! Mysterious "dark matter" no one has ever seen! Galaxies should be flying apart with the current formulas? Throw a "black hole" in the middle. Anything else not working? It must be the magic space pixies! But don't raise the possibility that our assumptions may be fundamentally flawed... that might jeopardize our funding, not to mention illustrious careers! People, this is theology, not science!

November 23rd, 2007 at 18:34:50	From: tim t.
matrix
... i guess its time to call neo. oh no, wait ... maybe morpheus instead! agents are about. can they see me?

November 23rd, 2007 at 18:35:27	From: scientific method
Sorry, it's not even theology, it's just straight-up nonsense

November 23rd, 2007 at 18:36:44	From:
Schrodinger hated cats because they were so sexually active. So he imagined an experiment with a cat where the cat could die. Schrodinger fooled around with a lot of women and he didn't want to be outdone.

November 23rd, 2007 at 18:43:45	From:
When I was a boy a saw the Northern Lights for the first time. A little Catholic girl said it was the army experimenting with searchlights. She said that's what her mother told her. Almost five hundred years ago Galileo was threatened with torture if he did not renounce his scientific theories. Nothing has changed.

November 23rd, 2007 at 21:10:27	From: Dan
Rush Limbaugh must have written this article. "...Just as a watched kettle never boils." What idiot uses a psychological "apparent snapshot observation" and then applies it wholly to the entire being of the universe? A neocon. Be afraid, chicken little, be very afraid!

November 23rd, 2007 at 22:05:00	From:
It makes me feel so secure knowing that other scientific theories are based on the same types of evidence.

November 23rd, 2007 at 22:07:02	From: jusme
Everyone knows a watched pot will never boil. Thats a scientific fact.

November 23rd, 2007 at 22:08:41	From: freeman
I hope we do not have scientist studying the sun!!! They may cause it to go out.

November 23rd, 2007 at 22:13:47	From:
Dude.....so if no one looks at you, will you live forever? Seriously, how much do you have to smoke to come up with this kind of ridiculousness? Times I've been that stoned I've not been able to remember my line of reasoning the next day.

November 23rd, 2007 at 22:14:53	From:
I wish the scientific establishment would quit picking on "dark" matter. Always blaming the dark matter for the destruction of the neighboring galaxies.

November 23rd, 2007 at 22:20:11	From:
Well you know, once the dark matter moves into the neighborhood, the galaxy just goes to hell.

November 23rd, 2007 at 22:20:40	From: freeman
right, and if you look at the dark matter wrong, the dark matter may go on a universal destructive spree.

November 23rd, 2007 at 23:12:22	From: blues
There Might Be Something To It
The physicists are rather perplexed of late. The trouble seems to be that if physicist (A) predicts something odd, and physicist (B) predicts something inconceivably weird, physicist (B) wins every time. No shit. The universe is no stranger to strangeness.

November 23rd, 2007 at 23:26:38	From: Adam Fulford
I love how Kool-Aid neo-cons, who still by and large support failed anti-American president Bush and don't even believe in evolution, and now deny overwhelming scientific consensus about global warming have the audacity to tie-in Liberals with mind-games played by astrophysicists, probably to mess around with peoples minds. Did this report come out on April Fools Day or Halloween by any chance?

November 23rd, 2007 at 23:52:18	From: oversight
New Nutjob Rightwing Cause
This opens up a new cause for the right-wingers against science. I can see them now protesting observatories and trying to get them closed. TV news debates between the "Pro-Universe" and the "Universe Murders". And what will the Pope say?

November 24th, 2007 at 03:17:36	From: dark matter
"Pro-Universe" and the "Universe Murders". November 24th, 2007 at 00:52:18 From: oversight LMAO!!!

November 24th, 2007 at 06:34:32	From: oops
Agree with Adam Fulford.

November 24th, 2007 at 06:56:25	From: DaTruth
They got the name all wrong! It wasn't "Cosmologists" that theorized; it was "Cosmotologists"! Typical pseudo-science one always hears at the hair salon...

November 24th, 2007 at 07:27:16	From:
This is the same propaganda as the girl who says BABIES are evil and shouldn't be allowed on the planet!!! People come on. Are you hearing this shit? Not only are the eugenicists and population reduction freaks controlling the environmental groups but they're making some headway with astronomers too. They want you to believe HUMANS ARE EVIL and BAD for the planet. DOES THIS MEAN SCIENTISTS ARE EVIL TOO?

November 24th, 2007 at 08:23:27	From: maggie in the moon
humandkind is sort of cute, isn't it? In a distanced, not-part-of-the-species, kind of way.

November 24th, 2007 at 09:48:22	From: jeanruss
the Universe
For those who are interested in this topic, you should explore the writings of Walter Russell-he was a 20th century American genius-he never attended any school after the age of nine and was called the modern Leonardo DaVinci-he has been scrubbed from our history books because his science threatened many corporations-He gave the world an updated periodic table, a formula for cheap, clean and plentiful Hydrogen energy, a formula to create water, discovered plutonium, as well as being a master sculptor, close friend of Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Niclas Tesla and Mark Twain(he created the bust for the Mark Twain Memorial-created the ice skating rink at Rockefeller Center and won several national ice skating championships-started the stables at Central Park-created the condominium concept-he explained scientifically, man's relationship to God and the Universe-He showed that the Universe was not craeted by The Big Bang, but has always been, and always will be, that the predicted end of the Universe is a scientific mistake-His books are fascinating and very prescient-Tragic for our country that his work is being suppressed from school books.

November 24th, 2007 at 10:20:40	From: TreeTopFlyer
Smokin' that shit again...
This story make the strongest case yet for the need for mandatory drug testing of all American cosmologists.

November 24th, 2007 at 11:09:30	From: Thomas
This is about
the stupidest thing ever heard. I'm seeing the comments about drug use here, and it does make me wonder what todays scientists are smoking, let alone apparently shooting into their eyeballs. This isn't science, this is some deranged philosophy run amok. Looking at the stars and observing dark energy doesn't destroy the universe, and putting cats in boxes does not create alternate realities. By these lunatic standards, intelligent design seems like a reasonable 'theory'.

November 24th, 2007 at 11:55:55	From: al
Mankind over estimates it's self in the real
scheme of things. Even if we turn our planet into another sun by some scientific accident or through nuclear war, we will be no more significant to the Universe than a piss ant under the foot of the largest dinosaur that ever roamed the planet. Get over the grandiose delusions, and stick to science and reality.

November 24th, 2007 at 11:58:34	From: al
Sorry, I forgot Big hat tip to jeanruss. Correct
excellent post.

November 24th, 2007 at 12:38:13	From: lol
bury your heads in the sand. nothing to see here.

November 24th, 2007 at 13:40:13	From: keith
these guys must be related to the same idiots who for two years have been predicting an increase in the strength and number of hurricanes,only to have their predictions scuttled by reality.

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