If he would just say that these should be state run programs, so they aren’t spread so thin, and so that different states can try different things, I think he would get more liberals on board.

I am a libertarian liberal for a lack of a better description of myself. I’ve seen nothing but massive incompetence from the federal government, but I have seen state governments do some real good. I would love to see progressive programs start on a smaller state level, and have a little variety among the states to see what works best. And let’s face it, the people of Utah and Texas have different needs than the people of Vermont and New York.

If Ron Paul just came out saying that, I think many more of us could support him. But this just isn’t going to win him any support from this side of the aisle. He claims to be a populist… well he ain’t acting like one.

YEAH! Fuck the poor and needy!

Republicans need to complete the circle and vow to eat the poor.

“Ron Paul: End Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid”

There you have it. The ayn-rander selfish racist pig. And tell us how you like william hickman, asswipe:

Romancing the Stone-Cold Killer: Ayn Rand and William Hickman

http://www.michaelprescott.net/hickman.htm

Political Ponerology at it’s best, errr, worst. Take a hike asswipe.

The headline sounds awfull. But Ron Paul is a serious man, a physician, and a dedicated public servant, so he deserves a chance to explain exactly how he’d replace Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid.

The average attention span of most voters can be expressed in milliseconds. Ron Paul’s ideas take a bit longer to digest.

Ha ha ha ha ha. Go ahead, jump on his nut-wagon. And while at it, sign this:

The paul/hickman Socialist-Free Purity Pledge
I, ________________________________, do solemnly swear to uphold the principles of a
socialism-free society and heretofore pledge my word that I shall strictly adhere to the following:
I will complain about the destruction of 1st Amendment Rights in this country, while I am duly
being allowed to exercise my 1st Amendment Rights.
I will complain about the destruction of my 2nd Amendment Rights in this country, while I am duly
being allowed to exercise my 2nd Amendment rights by legally but brazenly brandishing
unconcealed firearms in public.
I will foreswear the time-honored principles of fairness, decency, and respect by screaming
unintelligible platitudes regarding tyranny, Nazi-ism, and socialism at public town halls. Also.
I pledge to eliminate all government intervention in my life. I will abstain from the use of and
participation in any socialist goods and services including but not limited to the following:
● Social Security
● Medicare/Medicaid
● State Children’s Health Insurance Programs (SCHIP)
● Police, Fire, and Emergency Services
● US Postal Service
● Roads and Highways
● Air Travel (regulated by the socialist FAA)
● The US Railway System
● Public Subways and Metro Systems
● Public Bus and Lightrail Systems
● Rest Areas on Highways
● Sidewalks
● All Government-Funded Local/State Projects (e.g., see Iowa 2009 federal senate
appropriations–http://grassley.senate.gov/issues/upload/Master-Approps-73109.pdf)
● Public Water and Sewer Services (goodbye socialist toilet, shower, dishwasher, kitchen sink,
outdoor hose!)
● Public and State Universities and Colleges
● Public Primary and Secondary Schools
● Sesame Street
● Publicly Funded Anti-Drug Use Education for Children
● Public Museums
● Libraries
● Public Parks and Beaches
● State and National Parks
● Public Zoos
● Unemployment Insurance
● Municipal Garbage and Recycling Services
● Treatment at Any Hospital or Clinic That Ever Received Funding From Local, State or
Federal Government (pretty much all of them)
● Medical Services and Medications That Were Created or Derived From Any Government
Grant or Research Funding (again, pretty much all of them)
● Socialist Byproducts of Government Investment Such as Duct Tape and Velcro (Nazi-NASA
Inventions)
● Use of the Internets, email, and networked computers, as the DoD’s ARPANET was the
basis for subsequent computer networking
● Foodstuffs, Meats, Produce and Crops That Were Grown With, Fed With, Raised With or
That Contain Inputs From Crops Grown With Government Subsidies
● Clothing Made from Crops (e.g. cotton) That Were Grown With or That Contain Inputs
From Government Subsidies
● If a veteran of the government-run socialist US military, I will forego my VA benefits and
insist on paying for my own medical care
I will not tour socialist government buildings like the Capitol in Washington, D.C.
I pledge to never take myself, my family, or my children on a tour of the following types of socialist
locations, including but not limited to:
● Smithsonian Museums such as the Air and Space Museum or Museum of American History
● The socialist Washington, Lincoln, and Jefferson Monuments
● The government-operated Statue of Liberty
● The Grand Canyon
● The socialist World War II and Vietnam Veterans Memorials
● The government-run socialist-propaganda location known as Arlington National Cemetery
● All other public-funded socialist sites, whether it be in my state or in Washington, DC
I will urge my Member of Congress and Senators to forego their government salary and
government-provided healthcare.
I will oppose and condemn the government-funded and therefore socialist military of the United
States of America.
I will boycott the products of socialist defense contractors such as GE, Lockheed-Martin, Boeing,
Northrop Grumman, General Dynamics, Raytheon, Humana, FedEx, General Motors, Honeywell,
and hundreds of others that are paid by our socialist government to produce goods for our socialist
army.
I will protest socialist security departments such as the Pentagon, FBI, CIA, Department of
Homeland Security, TSA, Department of Justice and their socialist employees.
Upon reaching eligible retirement age, I will tear up my socialist Social Security checks.
Upon reaching age 65, I will forego Medicare and pay for my own private health insurance until I
die.
SWORN ON A BIBLE AND SIGNED THIS DAY OF ____________ IN THE YEAR
______________.
___________________________ ___________________________
Signed Printed Name/Town and State

They are working on it, believe me.

I paid into the Social Security “Trust Fund” for almost 50 years, 15% of my income (not 15% of the wealthy, mind you). Now you say that this is some form of welfare? Sorry, that the politicians took all of it and replaced it with IOUs to fund the wars. Ron Paul, get a grip on reality.

It goes down easier when the koch brothers are giving you an enema. Here is how paul would have acted in the 1770′s…when he was just a young tory:

By THOMAS FLEMING

Thomas B. Allen begins “Tories” with an anecdote that the author apparently considers a useful way of illustrating his theme. A column of American rebel soldiers was marching through a Virginia town in 1777, he tells us, when a shoemaker rushed out of his shop and shouted: “Hurrah for King George!” None of the soldiers paid attention to him. When the troops stopped to rest in a woods, the shoemaker pursued them, hurrahing for King George. Once more the men ignored him. When the loyalist shouted his defiance virtually in the ear of the commanding general, he ordered him taken to a nearby river and ducked. When that ordeal failed to silence the shoemaker, the general ordered him tarred and feathered. His weeping wife and four daughters pleaded with him to be quiet. He was then drummed out of town.

The reader may wonder: Was the shoemaker drunk? Suicidal? Insane? Mr. Allen is less curious—he sees simply “an act of casual cruelty upon a stubborn Tory,” adding: “How many other Tories were taunted, tortured or lynched we will never know.”

Not enough of them……..

He wants to go back to the gold standard. There is no currency on earth that’s linked to gold, and more importantly the notion of a “standard” for currency ignores every modern monetary theory.

He’s an idiot.

That’s right, reduce us to any other third-world nation, while laughing all the way. Idiot.

It is frightening to hear from these tories that they won’t to erase everything that was fought for from the 1770′s to now. And, there are crazy bastards out there they would vote for someone who hates the government. Sort of like the chickens in the henhouse voting for Colonel Sanders as their keeper.

Ron Paul thinks like a good Communist. Keep people poor and hungry so they can’t revolt.

Dr. Josef Mengele was a good man too, at least according to the Nazis. A dedicated public servant, he got a chance to torture and murder Jews with his medical experiments.

he also wants to end the wars and foreign occupation of US troops.

As an aside to the continuing demands to end SS and M/M.

The British are able to have socialised health care….a Royal dynasty with several Palaces….. the 3/4 Banks that determined on a daily basis the value of an ounce of Gold….. and one bank that is part owner of the US Federal Reserve and last but by no means least a currency that is worth more than the US dollar in exchanges with other currencies.

Can one conclude from the above comparisons that the British are smarter and more capable in politics than their US couterparts? Or are 300 million Amercans incapable of producing equal politicians that are able to provide the management equivalency of the British?

May be its time to ask Mr. Paul and others why are the British able to have a King/Queen and their many palaces in addition to socialised health care as well the equivalent of Social Security in addition to private
banking and money making institutions several of whom own the US Federal Reserve Bank?

He’s actually a psychopath:

“Martha Stout, who has worked
extensively with victims of psychopaths, writes:
Imagine – if you can – not having a conscience, none at all,
no feelings of guilt or remorse no matter what you do, no lim-
iting sense of concern for the well-being of strangers, friends,
or even family members. Imagine no struggles with shame,
not a single one in your whole life, no matter what kind of
selfish, lazy, harmful, or immoral action you had taken.
And pretend that the concept of responsibility is unknown
to you, except as a burden others seem to accept without ques-
tion, like gullible fool.
Now add to this strange fantasy the ability to conceal from
other people that your psychological makeup is radically dif-
ferent from theirs. Since everyone simply assumes that con-
science is universal among human beings, hiding the fact that
you are conscience-free is nearly effortless.
You are not held back from any of your desires by guilt or
shame, and you are never confronted by others for your cold-
bloodedness. The ice water in your veins is so bizarre, so
completely outside of their personal experience, that they sel-
dom even guess at your condition.
In other words, you are completely free of internal re-
straints, and your unhampered liberty to do just as you please,
with no pangs of conscience, is conveniently invisible to the
world.
You can do anything at all, and still your strange advan-
tage over the majority of people, who are kept in line by their
consciences will most likely remain undiscovered.”…..

Political Ponerology– Andrew M. Lobaczewski Laura Knight-Jadczyk

Ron Paul is a sleaze bag and double speak. He is a Sadist and so is his son.

Ever notice in all of the writings of the Marquis De Sade the Sadists were the wealthy and powerful?

Ron Paul said, “don’t kick the elderly out into the streets” What he really means by that is, “kick the elderly out into the streets”. The reason he can’t say “kick the elderly out into the streets” is because that is political suicide.

Never trust Ron Paul or his son, or Republicans, or Conservatives, or Libertarians. They are all Sadists. The thought of kicking the elderly out into the streets makes them horny.

The headline is misleading. That’s not what Paul said. What he said was:

If he had his way he would change the monetary system because it’s a debt-based system that cannot continue. That act would raise the value of the dollar so all prices would go down (even the cost of health care) and the middle-class will have more money to save and put into a retirement fund.

Then he would drastically cut the military so all that is spent is for national protection rather than trying to rule the world.

Then he would allow young people to opt out of having Social Security and Medicare come out of their paychecks letting them choose their own retirement plan while, at the same time, finding a way to care for all dependent elderly.

Putting emotions and partisanship aside to listen to what the man actually said should not be that hard.

Anyone with an ounce of common sense wants the same. Shouldn’t get support because you want to end the wars and foreign occupation of troops… that should be expected.

He said no such thing, Denny. Listen to the video instead of just reading the headline.

who else is publically saying this? Obama?

Sorry, but his “plan” would, effectively, kill Medicare and Social Security. Has nothing to do with emotions and partisanship. Has to do with logic.

Ron Paul is a laissez faire libertarian (except when it come’s to women’s health issues) pretending to be a conservative. Libertarianism may sound good to some folks in theory, but, it was EXACTLY what the Founders were attempting to counter when they wrote the Constitution. They had seen how disastrous a weak central government with stronger state governments could be . . . that’s why they abandoned the Articles of Confederation and wrote the Constitution. To build a stronger central government.

No, they don’t. He’s a libertarian pretending to be a conservative. His ideas, for the most part, are counter to the intent of the Founding Fathers and the Constitution.

Half lies are still lies.
Half nuts is still nuts.

Ron Paul is the ultimate Republican conservative, and there is nothing progressive about him. There is no reason to believe that his particular formula for the classic American delusions will prove to be any less psychotic and destructive in practice than the ones that have been killing us since Reagan. Probably they will be far more so. What do you think will really happen if we abolish fractional reserve banking?

The chronically deluded will always justify their Libertarian delusions, just as the followers of Alex Jones and Lyndon LaRouche always have room for another paranoid theory. Those of us who know better have work to do and no time to waste on deceptive crackpots.

I disagree with the majority of Ron Pauls positions, but I don’t think the man is a psychopath. Cheney on the other hand…

Well written, sir.

like all politicians, ron paul promises you the world in exchange for your vote… and your soul.

all politicians by nature are weak, selfish and evil. how many can you name, from the beginning of time, that have lived a holy and righteous life?

Don’t take ‘em too seriously. It’s their job. Raw’s a DP site, so they run the DP playbook – soft peddle (or ignore) the administration’s criminal activities while running pumped-up “scary republican” stories. RS isn’t about news. It’s about servicing their masters and betters. They’ll get more shrill as 2012 approaches, then it’ll taper off for a couple years.

With a platform like this, Ron Paul’s campaign reminds me of the early days of NASA in the c.1961, where all those missiles blew up on the launching pad.

The problem, sandi2, it is a wonderful thing to see on paper. But as our past history as shown that beautiful utopia vision will never work because of the weakness of mankind. Greed and fear has to be addressed. Social Security and Medicare works and it is not the problem. It really is that obscene the amount of money that separates a tiny percent from the rest of us. Society cannot and will not survive on the me, myself, I philosophy. Don’t get sucked in. See where Ron Paul votes on the Paul Ryan budget deal.

Economic voodoo on par with trickle down theory. You can not replace fractional banking and have a $60 Trillion global economy. There are not enough precious metal above ground to support a “hard” currency system.

Forget about the total economic collapse that would follow the the announcement think about what would happen to small countries who didn’t have vast holdings of Gold & Silver? Think about what countries with large militaries would do to GET Gold & silver?

If you want to go back to the Dark Ages go ahead and live in North Africa. Me I prefer living in an enlightened and civilized society!

There goes the last of my confidence in this guy.

I am officially no longer leaning toward Ron Paul – this guy is just as bad as all the other Republicans fuck faces, pardon my french.

Just because there are a few ripe apples in the bushel does not mean that they are ALL good to eat!

How many politicians have lived a righteous and holy life? About the same percentage as the rest of us.

“Sorry, but his “plan” would, effectively, kill Medicare and Social Security”.

Well, a single-payer health care plan would kill Medicare. If you have enough in a decent retirement plan then you really don’t need Social Security, do you?

This is, essentially, what he’s proposing. And, it all boils down to our monetary system. It works like this: The U.S. treasury borrows money from the Federal Reserve (a cartel of private banks). The treasury is then faced with not only paying that money back but also interest on the money we use. Before we spend one dollar we already owe more than that dollar. Every time you get a raise at work, the U.S. goes further into debt. This causes inflation which is really the loss of dollar value.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXt1cayx0hs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc3sKwwAaCU

Well actually yes he is! He forced the Military to accept a time table for withdrawl form Afghanistan and he encouraged the Iraqi leadership to come up with their time table that kicks us OUT So yes if you were paying attention the O man HAS been saying to end the wars.

He has also questioned the wisdom of keeping so many bases but I doubt unless you were attending those speeeches yu would have seen coverage of that in the Lame Stream Media!

I said nothing about supporting this creationist fool. Did any of you even read what I wrote? Sure, attack my states rights PROGRESSIVISM if you think it wont work, but I said ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about supporting this man.

With all due respect that is a misinterpretation of Communism. That is the hall mark of a dictator!

The stupid teabaggers and religo fanatics still don’t understand we are and have been an economic colony of Britain all along. The Federal Reserve is just the head of the snake. Look at BP and HSBCs footprint in the US. I’m sure there are more that are not so openly visi ble. The French had it right at the Bastille. We need to take a guillotine to congress our jailers.

But here in lies the fatal flaw of FEDERAL progressives. You believe in a one size fits all agenda. And you are so fucking angry and closed-minded that you just assumed I was a Paul-tard. You complain about the Republicans, but you think magically progressive programs would work on a federal level representing this diverse nation including more or less 50% republicans.

Yet when I say I support PROGRESSIVE ideology on a STATE level, somehow now I am a fool who is a Paul-tard… The problem with many Raw regulars is that they would rather call names than have a philosophical debate. You Denny, are one of the worst offenders.

Obviously you are constipated because if you thought through the practical implications of these socially destructive ideas you should have diarrhea!

Opt out = end fool.

I also disagree with the Utopian libertarian/anarcho-capitalism model… however, Ron Paul is at least consistent, and best of all, he is a non-interventionist. His idea for America would FAIL, but at least he truly and honestly believes it is a solution. Obama, like Bush, is a war mongering corporatist. HE IS THE PSYCHOPATH. According to Denny, anyone who even SLIGHTLY differs from his world-view is a psychopath – see my post, the first on on this board.

Remember the book from V. “How to prepare Humans”

The Plutocrats have a similar book. “How to compost the poor”

I think single-payer and similar health care works so well for these other countries because they are much smaller than the USA. For instance, Canada has a total population slightly fewer than California alone. Am I REALLY that off base to think we should do this on a STATE LEVEL!?!? Unfortunately, half this country is neocons. We are never going to convince states like Utah, AZ, etc, to get on board with nationalized health care. So why not let them try the free market in their states, and we will try single-payer in more civilized states. We’ll see who wins, and then MAYBE we will actually convert some of the crazy neocons in Utah over to our side…

What would have happened to the majority of Americans’ retirement and medical plans were they to have been invested in non-governmental programs in 2008? They would have plunged in value between 20% and 50%, a catastrophic drop in value and, for retirees drawing annuities from them, financial ruin. And what would have happened to the elite who had no concerns whatsoever about gambling with others’ life savings? Nothing. This is hardly a rational solution. Now maybe were we to adopt the Chinese method of dealing with economic crimes-taking them out and shooting them-Paul’s plan might work… Any takers?

Nah, just kidding about the summary executions, but if the government doesn’t insure these programs and promise severe consequences for malfeasance this plan will doom tens of millions of Americans to Third World levels of poverty at the same time they increase the net worth of the plutocracy.

So you support Fractional Reserve Banking where a bank can actually hold $100 in investments and then lend out $900 based on that initial $100 it actually has in the bank reserve? (A financial instution can lend uo 900 percent against it’s reserves.) Ever notice that banks always have the largest, nicest buildings in town? Now you know why. They don’t actually have all that money to back it up with.

That IS Fractional Reserve Banking.

Oh, come on. He wants to cut military and foreign spending to FUND medicare and social security for those who have paid into it all their lives, and ALLOW PEOPLE TO OPT OUT if they are younger with the goal of it ultimately ending BY THE PEOPLE’S CHOICE because govt is such a lousy manager of money (note current bankruptcy of both programs) that he thinks rational young people who don’t already have a major stake in the programs WILL opt out.

He’s another Ayn Rand cultist, They believe only the elite have rights and are worthy to flourish. They will stop at nothing to install their grand plan, they don’t even hide it anymore. And there are some people who actually buy into this turd and his narcissistic world view. Economic Darwinism at it’s worst.

i hope that the GOP puts paul up to run against the pres. paul is among the most extreme rightwingers, and would make sure that the GOP is marginalized for a long time….. luntz, ailes, and rove know the poll numbers, and they dont want paul either, but they cannot put the cat back in the bag……. you beatcha…..

You’re right. It cannot be a system for the future but it can work as a “transitional monetary system”. First, we must have debt forgiveness across the board. Individuals as well as nations need to start with a clean slate. Then, until we’ve developed a workable moneyless system, we use a metals-backed system. It can be done.

Excellent points. Yes, the Raw Story headline “Ron Paul: If elected president, I’d kill Medicare and Social Security” is not only misleading, It is patently FALSE. As you said, listen to what the man actually said!!!

That’s generally too much work for most people. They would rather be told what to think.

And AlanSmithee is a paid right wing troll who’s job is to go into progressive sites and rile up people to not get out and vote. It is another one of their dirty tricks in so many. Don’t be fooled by this phony, Republican/Libertarian/Tea Bagger operative who holds as much integrity as a Karl Rove or a Rush Limbaugh.

Wow, I said “If Ron Paul just came out saying that, I think many more of us could support him. But this just isn’t going to win him any support from this side of the aisle. He claims to be a populist… well he ain’t acting like one.” and somehow Denny concluded that I am going to jump on the Paul-tard bandwagon… And he gets 11 likes and I don’t even get a single response. Do you people even read what people write, or did you just see some objective words and assume I am a Ron Paul supporter.

At least when I comment on Libertarian sites WHERE I AM THE EVIL PROGRESSIVE, they at least HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ME and debate these issues. People on Raw just like to call names. Disappointed. I thought Raw readers were intellectuals and were my people. Apparently you aren’t so different than the teabaggers? Prove me wrong. At least tell me why I am so off base for being a Progressive on the state level…

Ron Paul is the only one with a plan to fund it without putting it on the shoulders of the next generation, if they want to opt out. Depending on new people paying in who have reason not to trust that they themselves will get the money is the definition of a ponzi scheme. This plan is the only one that takes it out of the realm of intergenerational warfare for entitlements. Look at what is going on. No matter which party does it, Obamacare limits benefits through ‘cost effective best practices’ that can’t be challenged in court, cuts medicare by hundreds of billions, and yet keeps the big Pharma profits a free market wouldn’t allow intact. Ron puts the benefits to the people, says cut spending abroad to fund it here, and let people opt out IF THEY WANT TO because this way the system is no longer DEPENDENT on young people paying for the older generation.

Do you have ANY grasp of history? Don’t you know that the Civil war was about “States Rights” Like the right to own slaves!

Today States rights manifest themselves in more subtle but equally destructive ways.

#1. Sell insurance across borders = sell the lowest required coverage for the highest premium dollar!

#2 Civil Unions and or Gay Marriage.

#3 Voter ID Laws.

#4 Public School funding

#5 Business Taxes

#6 Taxes on property but NOT income.

#7 More revenue from sales taxes than property or income taxes!

#8 Corporate welfare via tax waivers and direct subsidies!

#9 The misapplication of the Justice System Like the Mississippi sisters getting LIFE sentences for driving the car for a $19 robbery!

#10. Massey energy buying a State Supreme Court justice to avoid paying a multi million dollar fine. Even the 5 Federalists on the SCOTUS thought that went too far!

Don’t you get it? All states rights means is that big business won’t have to spend as much money to Fuck their workers, consumers and the public with their products, services or pollution.

The only way to protect ourselves from Multinational corporations is to have a Federal Government big enough to stand up for us. Turning that responsibility over to the states means business wins and we lose!

Denny what is the PENALTY for violating this pledge?

Rawstory’s headline is a flat out lie. It’s amazing to watch. They didn’t even need to hype it up by saying “Ron Paul would Kill”…..blah blah.

This is flat out yellow journalism from Raw. In your face, no apologies.

It’s amazing to witness. Flat out in your face spin and misleading headlines. It’s really sickening and this is my last post on Rawstory.

I won’t support a site that misleads it’s readers with hyperbolic headlines to induce an emotional reaction.

Goodbye Rawstory…and good riddance.

Well then he need not worry about being elected.

Simple math exercise. What would the price of gold and silver have to be to support a $60 Trillion global GDP. I think at today’s prices there is about $25 Trillion of gold above ground!

Are you psycho RonPaulers finally going to admit that he’s a fncking idiot?!

I’ve got news for you if you’re under 30. You’re not going to see a single penny of the social security and medicare taxes that you pay in. The baby boomers have utterly mismanaged the whole fucking thing. I agree with Ron Paul on this. All you liberals can keep trusting the government that does nothing but intrude on your civil liberties, starts genocidal wars, and taxes you to give to the filthy rich. Now if the government were actually fucking competent in managing social security and medicare, that would be fine, but they’ve proven that they cannot balance the budget. 14 trillion and counting in debt and those who are young are going to have to pay for it. You want to trust government? Look what they did to government pensions. It’s all GONE to pay the banksters and war criminals. NO MORE OF MY TAXES TO PAY BABY BOOMER RETIREMENT. Baby boomers can just fucking die slow for all I care. They are the most selfish worthless generation that has ever existed.

“Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployme­nt insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background­), a few other Texas oil millionair­es, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stup!d.”
……..Dw­ight D. Eisenhower

Now tell me why you do not believe the crazy people have taken over the GOP in the past sixty years.

But, what you’re forgetting is that with a different monetary system the value of money changes. $60 trillion will no longer be $60 trillion.

You admit you agree with Ron Paul? You should commit yourself, ASAP! The answer to a house on fire is not burning down the g*d d*mned city.

You drank some sort of koolaid, I suppose. I always listen to this particular court jester, have since the eighties.

What he did was to theorize that these things might work. He had no plan, as always (been waiting for one for almost 30 years with this guy.)

Change the monetary system? As President? Don’t think so. Better shot at it in Congress. What’s Paul doing to achieve it? Nothing. It’s total bullshit.

He lied and said the kids who come to see him speak want to take care of themselves and don’t want social safety nets. He didn’t mention how those kids would feel about working an extra job to care for their grandparents or crippled sister.

He said he would cut the military. Uh, that’s not the Presidents job, it’s the job of Congress, where Paul is now. Cut the military or stfu, Dr. Paul. It’s your job, you are currently in the position to do it.

He also pretended to be sane (fooled you, I suppose). I suggest keep listening, and listening, and listening until you realize the guy is an entertainer. He concocts bedtime stories for children’s minds in hopes they have a discussion. He has no intention of doing anything.

try some meds; ur sadly misinformed on so many levels, it is astounding; maybe a little nuance would help; like the surplus under clinton and what happened under shrub and his wars?

Wow RawStory… You really are looking like Fox Network right now! Jesus, all you do is put false advertising on front page news.

Wow RawStory… You really are looking like Fox Network right now! Jesus, all you do is put false advertising on front page news.

That’s the same old line I’ve heard for 30 years…there won’t be any left for me. Sorry, but the facts just don’t support this. By the way, Medicare is the most efficiently run health program in the United States…so I don’t where you’re getting that shit from…I guess Fux News. I have some more bad news for you…there are a lot more baby boomers then there are lazy ass Gen Y’ers…so I guess you’re just going to be stuck paying for those retirements afterall.

That’s the same old line I’ve heard for 30 years…there won’t be any left for me. Sorry, but the facts just don’t support this. By the way, Medicare is the most efficiently run health program in the United States…so I don’t where you’re getting that shit from…I guess Fux News. I have some more bad news for you…there are a lot more baby boomers then there are lazy ass Gen Y’ers…so I guess you’re just going to be stuck paying for those retirements afterall.

Bye!

Bye!

And so ends the Ron Paul for President sideshow.

And so ends the Ron Paul for President sideshow.

Seems to me that your headline is misleading. Paul doesn’t say he’d eliminate them. He said that if he could get the people and the congress on board, he’d transition us out. Sure, it’s a bit of a dodge … but it’s a lot different than the “fanatic” he’s being characterized as.

Why the hell shouldn’t “young people” pay for their future…you think it should all be handed to you on a silver platter like everything else has been. We all pay for the previous generation…that’s the cost of living in our society. Young people owe the older generation for everything they have! Quit your fucking whining and pay your goddamn taxes you little punk!

LOL… This video is a keeper. At least he finally came out and admitted it.

About the ONLY thing Ron Paul has right is the relegalization of Marijuana. beyond that he is a Libertarian that would simply dismantle the US government.

He is, on the other hand, the best choice for the GOP to run – the rest of their field looks like a mental hospital filled with rich white people. They ALL want to kill Medicare and Social Security – because they are programs that WORK. The GOP hates government that works.

He is the absolute best they have.

The deficit has nothing to do with the Social Security fund. It does not contribute to the deficit. You fools who run around with your hair on fire saying it does are part of the problem. You want baby boomers to fucking die slow? I want teabaggers to fucking die quick- and in a lot of pain, a lot of fucking pain. That’s your selfish worthless generation.

He just another rich asshole saying “fuck you, I got mine, Jack.”

Goodbye Rawstory, I finally admitted to myself what you’re about.

Sad thing is I actually contributed to this site largely over the years.

You get no more free content from me…

I hope others follow suit…

You’ve never offered anything of any value, anyway. Go back to Freeperville.

Dr. Paul please cut military spending. You’ve been saying it now for years, you’ve been placed in Congress by those of us who want you to do it, yet you just keep flapping your mouth and you don’t make the cuts.

Why?

You often say “I would….”
Well, do it!!! Stop jabbering and get to work. Theories are one thing action is another.

“Change the monetary system? As President? Don’t think so”.

Lincoln did it so that he didn’t have to borrow the money for the Civil War: http://www.xat.org/xat/usury.html

Kennedy started it with his “Silver Certificates” but was assassinated before he could finish the job: http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/executiveorder11110.htm

And STILL he’s a wrongheaded little shit.

I love how Republicans can look at a tape of the filthy little animal speaking and insist Raw Story is lying!

False? He’s speaking.

Go away, peasant.

How else would you interpret “transition off of” any way but ending Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security. I never saw any “transition into”

Did you ever notice the (R) next to his name? Check his voting record.

The right wing is composed of people who have given up. Life has gotten too complex for them and they long for a return to a simpler time of the Victorian era when people knew their place and money was in charge of everything. They have no new ideas and can see no future, except for those in power and holding the wealth. And even then it is only for a static state. They have given up on the future and can’t imagine anything more advanced than a school boy’s idea of a philosophy justifying selfishness and greed. They live in a postmodernist dream world when everything was linear and reality complied with their will. The idea of sophisticated feedback systems and complementary dynamics is only academic gibberish to them. Reality makes no difference in their formulation of turning the world into a rental, where the landlords set the price and the conditions, and are immune from justice.

The republicans have given up trying, and resort to flailing about to cause distraction while money buys the government and subverts the courts. Global corporatism is nothing more than the dream of East India Company made shinny. They have no imagination as to how to proceed but can’t stand admitting that they were the ones whose failed policies and philosophies got us into this mess.

The sad part is that they are the ones who were elected. What does that say about us as a nation that we elect the hopeless, the ones who gave up on understanding and chose simplicity of dogma and blind faith in certainty? Their policies seek to take us backwards one hundred years, and their philosophy and religious zealotry is simply that of a time which has no relevance to the issues we need to think through to solution here, now, today, in order to bring a future into reality.

Sorry for the long post. I just got through watching Bernie Sanders on the Daily Show and was inspired by a glimmer of intelligence in politics.

At least he’s honest about his miserable plans. His idea is libertarianism for the big money interest – no regulations for Wall Street or banking, no regulations on business, allow insurance companies to run rough-shod. But for private citizens – no health care, no insurance – if you fall victim to pure, unadulterated capitalism, then screw you.

“Texas Republican Congressman Ron Paul said if he were elected President of the United States he would try to transition the country off of Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.”

So because RS’s headline said “kill,” you’re saying it’s a flat out lie? If Ron Paul became president and “transitioned” us off Medicare, SS and Medicaid, would that not effectively be recognized as a “kill”?

Ron Paul is a (R) who voted with W and the Rethugs 99% of the time. Figure it out.

That’s the way I see it as well. Ron Paul is rightfully pointing out that we are deluding ourselves to think the country can just keep paying out on these programs. We’re heading over a cliff. It will end whether we take action or not. He’s suggesting we can have a better outcome if we do take action. One action he suggests, and I agree with, is to cut the massive military spending. We don’t need all the strategic bases overseas, left over from the cold war. We don’t need to spend 6 times as much as China on military.

DDE was right. Unfortunately, their number is no longer negligible and they are in control of the GOP.

I give Ron Paul credit that at least he’s got balls for being honest.

Hold on! Ron Paul, whom I respect, is wrong! He falls into the same republican mantra, “cut domestic programs……especially SS and medicare.” Why is this wrong? Because they always want to cut programs ALREADY PAID FOR BY THE PUBLIC. What they should be pushing to do in all honesty, is CUT THE PROGRAMS THAT CONGRESS BORROWS ON, CONSTANTLY. Like wars and funding other countries, which he said he would do but he wants to cut a TRUST FUND that has already been PAID FOR by the public.

Social Security is SOLEVENT FOR MANY YRS TO COME, on the books.. The problem is, congress has looted the trust fund that the public has paid for all their working lives. The trust fund is full of IOU’s, you see, and the plain truth is, Congress OWES the SS trust fund a lot of money. Congress does not want to have to pay that money back, thus, their solution is to just get rid of it. But that wont solve nor negate the fact that Congress owes the public a big debt in IOU’s . Every one of you out there who has paid into SS faithfully, is OWED MONEY by congress! THEY OWE YOU, not the other way around. Can you go to your debtors and say, “I owe you lots of money, but I’m not gonna pay you back, I’m simply gonna write you off, terminate my account with you and NOT pay what I owe”…………no, you can’t do that and congress should not be able to do that either!

BlAMING THE BABY BOOMERS is misdirected! All of them paid their dues and in fact paid the raises on SS dues all along. They are paid up in full……..it isn’t their fault congress spent what they put in that trust fund as fast as it came in and left IOU’s, any more than it is the next generation’s fault! But you can blame both generations for allowing congress to dip into SS with impunity, the older generation for allowing it in the first place without making a big fuss and the next generation for allowing it to continue raiding SS. So we are all to blame on that score to an extent.

This idea of running up a huge debt to the public, by raiding SS trust fund, then trying to worm out of that debt without repaying is what the public needs to focus on!! Your debtor is trying to run out on a big debt to you. Congress is the debtor! You are the creditor! Supporting any politican who talks about running out on that debt to you is totally outrageous! Why aren’t you outraged? Why aren’t you looking at this fairly and accurately? THEY OWE YOU MONEY, …….and they can stop borrowing daily for wars and funding wars and apply that money to paying you back. WHY CAN’T YOU SEE THIS?

Another GOP hopeful down the tubes. How many left?

Another GOP hopeful down the tubes. How many left?

And if I were elected President I’d have both Paul’s, Boner and Cantor imprisoned for sedition.

He’s honest all right.

Honestly bonkers

I doubt your 99% statistic. He’s been solidly AGAINST the Republican and Democratic war agenda. His foreign policy views are, in my opinion, spot on. He is, however like his screwy son, a dangerous dilettante when it comes to economics.

Ron Paul is sincere, but woefully misguided by his rigid ideology. He is an Ayn Rand free-market cultist who believes that destroying the village will save the village. Destroy the middle-class so trickle-down laissez faire capitalism will work – especially in a “right to work” society where labor is once again owned and commoditized.

To compare unauditable Pentagon spending with needed social services spending is ridiculous. And to lump in our social contract – dutifully paid for generations and still generating surplus – with that which is extractive, wasteful and destructive shows either a lack of clarity or just more republicon bait & switch.

Ron Paul’s day on the big stage has come and gone. Go back to pandering to your constituents in Beaumont, Texas, Ron. The world is much too big and complex a stage for you to understand.

If Paul became president and “transitioned” the U.S. off these programs, he would have in effect “killed” these programs. They’d be gone, finished, terminated… and yes, killed.

One more point: people, there is no budget emergency. This is just the cry of the disaster-capitalists that want to dismantle the entire social safety-net of the US and grind the faces of the laboring classes and poor. Ellen Brown has this right: http://atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/MD29Dj01.html

“progressives” have proven time and time again that they could care less about war. their priorities are themselves and defending failed government programs.

only Republicans think you can increase efficiency by inserting a layer of profit taking into a service

Same old conservative talking point. Medicare and Social Security are bankrupt. Neither is true and the government runs Medicare with a lot less overhead and cost than any private insurance company even with fraud from the various Advantage Plans. He wants to transition people out of government programs into private funds where they can lose most of their retirement money in stock speculation schemes by banks and funds that have such good management they have to be bailed out financially by the government periodically anyway. I see 10 likes listed. I can’t believe there are that many tea-baggers reading here.

Hey Joey Joe Joe,
Last I checked, George W Bush and Dick Cheney were neocon republicons.
Don’t blame liberals because those turds waged wars on the national credit card and blew Clinton’s surplus with tax-givaways to their have and have-more cronies that crashed our economy.

I’ll trust my reps any day over lying conservative corporatists.

There you go, he just dashed his presidential hopes to the ground – unless he goes single payer! He’s lost his head – he criticizes the fedres but still talks it’s language. It’s a world wide issue because of the steerage of the system, ie corruption of government by corporate/banker lobbyists – the crash is inevitable, it’s the Phoenix that we should be considering, and how it manifests itself – and it certainly is not Ron.

“If elected…” well THAT’S never gonna happen,Ronnie. You just guaranteed it.

This is the most misleading headline ever. Did you even watch the video Raw Story? Who’s running this website now? What is the matter with you people? I’ve been coming to this site less and less. Can’t wait till I quit the habit for good. Good riddance.

I respect his honesty.

Yeah, not a lot of profit playing internet computer games while living in mommy’s basement.

I like Ron Paul, but none — absolutely *NONE* — of this is going to occur until you eliminate campaign bribes from the system.

Jack Lohman
http://MoneyedPoliticians.net

OK, I’ll put it this way………..You pay me money for years and I will save it for you……it will be your trust fund except I am handling that trust fund and when you need it later on, I will give it back to you……………………But, I spend that money you pay me, as fast as you give it to me and when it ends up I owe you ALL that money because I spent it, I simply tell you I am stopping that trust fund thing, its all over. I ‘m NOT GONNA repay you nor keep my promise to give it back so I’m just gonna do away with the whole thing and screw you out of your money. The way I’m gonna do this is to blame YOU for the whole mess. I even have some public support, too! There’s fools out there who will go along with me blaming YOU! LOL! It’s easy, many people will believe ANYTHING, and they love a scapegoat to blame it all on because its easier! This is because I can cloud the issue with smoke and mirrors and hide the fact that I spent the money and owe it and I have no intention of paying it back nor make up the wrong I have done you and I will not admit this, ever. So I will continue building up support with the ignorant, who will not think for themselves but look to someone else to do their thinking, and get enough support to abolish that fund I stole out of, and get out of my debt free and clear!

Right on!

Well Mr. Paul, you just ruined any chance of ever being president. You would have us starving and dying in the streets so the rich can continue to drain all the countries assets. Just as in Monopoly, unregulated capitalism would lead to just a few owning everything with the others just sitting on the sidelines but this isn’t monopoly this is life and death. Did you know some medicines cost over $1000/month, those folks who need them will die and that is just one point of the selfishness these people either ignore or are ignorant of,

Fanfuckingtastic.
Who wouldn’t vote for a candidate who would trash Social Security and Medicare and adores Ayn Rand?

You are exactly right. Every time I read a post like Sailing’s I click on the avatar and see where else he reads and posts. Usually you will find Fox News and other whacko conservative sites.

Bring out your dead.

nerfball,
He’s anti-war so – again – not a serious republicon contenter.

They feed on the babies of the poor …. that’s why they’re against abortion.

“all liberals–intrude on your civil liberties, starts genocidal wars, and taxes you to give to the filthy rich”

sorry kid but your a little mixed up, remember it was the right that brought us the patriot act, it was the right that brought us the war in iraq and afghanistan, it was the right that brought us the bush tax cuts, it was the right that brought the dept. of homeland sec.
now i will admit the left has not stopped any of it and i agree with you that the government is incompetent. let me also add that our spiraling debt started with ronald reagan and has continued under both parties. altough clinton(the liberal) had us heading in the right direction. as a boomer, i do understand your anger at us and perhaps we deserve it, but remember most of us are just working people, we labored all our lives, who like you have paid our taxes thinking social security wouldn’t be there for us but it is and can be for you. social security can be fixed if anyone in washington had the balls or cared enough to do it

Social spending puts small amounts of money into large numbers of peoples’ hands. If you give $25,000 in social spending, whether it is welfare or soc. security or medicare, that money goes directly back into the economy as payments for rent, food, clothing, local services, appliances, vehicles, what have you. In turn it supports farmers, truckers, landlords, retailers, doctors, manufacturers, masseuses, newspapers etc. and as these transactions move through the economy they generate sales, excise and income taxes that are at least $25,000 if not more. No one seems to recognize that providing an increase in purchasing power to those on the lowest end of the economic ladder has a tremendous benefit to the economy and generates taxes to support it through that economic activity. Imagine the impact of an increase to the minimum wage would have in terms of pent up demand being let loose.

On the other hand we give huge tax breaks to millionaires who need nothing and do not have economic pent up demand, they have demands but it doesn’t involve buys new shoes or buying groceries.

Or take the $25,000 and give it to the military to destroy something in a far off land, what benefit is there to that other than the manufacture of a weapon and a few ancillary costs? And we know that $25,000 doesn’t get you very much at the price the military pays for goods and services. Most of that $25,000 goes into KBR, Halliburton, Blackwater, General Dynamics, Raytheon and it is well known how much profit these companies make, but their dividends end up in the hands of a few wealthy people who don’t really have any pent up demand and are taxed at the dividend rate of 15%. That $25,000 doesn’t generate income, sales or excise tax so it really disappears.

Giving it to Israel, where we give billions doesn’t generate anything here either.
Social spending, done right, improves the quality of the nation’s life, creates wealth, generates more tax than costs. It really is that simple.

How could anyone think paul would be any different than the rest of the gop when it comes to anything for the Middle Class Americans?

Nice free-market fantasy, but we already have 401Ks, IRAs and other free-market retirement gambles, errr, I mean investments. Lost a great deal in ’07/’08.

Social security is backed by treasuries. Nothing more secure on the face of the planet, much to the chagrin of the Wall Streeters who can’t wait to get their hands on that too.

And the elderly have way too much gristle.

Yeah, Ayn and who used Social Security and Medicare in her later years.
Fucking Liberetardians

And yet I am receiving Social Security, along with millions of other seniors and disabled.

But I won’t vote for him.

RawStory front page // Ron Paul: If elected president, I’d kill Medicare and Social Security

YouTube TYT video title // Ron Paul – End Medicare, Social Security & Medicaid?

RawReplay page // Ron Paul: End Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid

The criminals fear Dr Ron for good reason.

Should be used in a campaign ad.

In all fariness, we don’t actually know how well single payer would work on a national level in the US, because we’ve never tried it. By most accounts Medicare works quite well on a national level, so I think it’s reasonable to conclude that a more generalized single payer would, too.

I actually rather like the idea of individual states (or coalitions of states) working out their own approaches to this sort of thing, though my interest in that is solely because the federal level of politicking has become so dysfunctional. There are a few big issues that spring to mind, though.

First is what to do with the money that’s already been paid into the national level one. It would have to be doled out “fairly” based on… current population? historical contribution? need?

Another is future funding: the “responsible” states would have to increase taxes to support this sort of thing, which is fine– but presumably they’ll have to simultaneously maintain their existing commitments to the feds (I’m thinking of ridiculously massive defense spending, in particular). This is already the case to some extent, when you look at how the southern states suck welfare money out of the northern ones. It seems to me this would only get worse as some states try to maintain their own programs, while others leech off the federal ones exclusively. A huge and very quick shift would have to occur to pull it off correctly, and if that didn’t go well, it would be seriously dispruptive to people dependent upon those programs.

The last big issue (for me, anyway) is that the definition of a state’s “needs” varies widely based not on actual statistics or analysis of any sort, but rather on ideology. Here in Texas, I’m certain that the current state government would do away with all state social spending if they could– which would leave a lot of children and immigrants (even legal ones) in a lurch when suddenly the “free” market takes over and, for example, all medical care is administered by for profits (historically less economical; the worst offenders, in fact, are here in the most impoverished parts of Texas) and all pensions turn into, say, petro-based retirement funds (which will crater every time oil busts). Effectively, the only thing protecting pretty much any non-white, non-christian, non-wealthy class here is federal mandates. Imho, it’s simply inhumane to abandon huge swaths of the population to the rightwing pro-corporate ideologs that run the states most in need of federal dollars.

Attempting to do something of this magnitude I think has significant constitutional questions behind it, not mention practical ones. Allowing the states more autonomy on healthcare and social security is a really nice idea, but beyond what point is it easier to simply partially dissolve the union and go back to something like the Articles of Confederation? Maybe that’s a good idea, maybe that’s a bad idea. Dunno.

According to Wall Streeters, they didn’t commit crimes. They exercised their extraordinary, unique, high-priced talent. China is the last place these guys want to take their “talent”.

I’ll stick with my boring, low-interest, treasury-backed social security annuities. It will help make up for the thousands $ of life savings that disappeared in ’07/’08.

Dr. Paul is no more than a wolf in sheep’s clothing. He harps on about liberty, but is as reactionary as the rest of his conservative brethren.

Goodbye, parrot.

For a second, I thought paul sounded almost rational when he said end the wars and then he said this. In the republicans running for nomination for president they have trump, an obvious racist, Bachmann, who is batsh-t crazy making up the U.S. history as she goes along, Gingrich, is an old slut who will say anything depending on what group he’s in front of [but then lying is second nature to newt, just ask his previous wives]. Barbour has wisely dropped out for this yr. but is a tried and true racist, Palen, well do I need to say anything]? Pawlenty? He also will say anything to get a vote [ie. teabaggers] If he won he would put the whole country into a deep sleep with his first speech and we wouldn’t wake up till his last. [although he would be credited for curing insomnia]! They have no one worthy of the office of Presidency, but then as we have seen with the election of george bush, their candidates don’t necessarily have to be qualified!

he got confused as hell on the view the other day. looked like a fool.

so wot, the church is supposed to support the old and the sick?

assholes.

He is different, he’s a libertarian…a republican on steroids.

Then our 401Ks, IRAs and other free-market retirement gambles will be the next to be stolen from us.

No need to put it on the shoulders of the next generation. It’s there in treasury bonds. Just keep the free-market’s greedy, grimey mits off of it.

I’ll put my faith in our federal government any day over private anti-social interests that are long overdue to pay their share of taxes.

“Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployme­nt insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background­), a few other Texas oil millionair­es, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stup!d.”……..Dw­ight D. Eisenhower

Ron Paul is a fascist and those who follow him are fascists…

After reading your comment I did, in fact, watch the video, and yes, this is far more nuanced than the headline indicates. He talks about cutting military spending just as much as he talks about cutting social spending. The headline or blurb, at least, should have shown that.

And a true, old fashioned amerikan racist to boot.

Uh, which criminals would that be? The recipients of all those programs? Grandma, grandpa, a kid with cerebral palsy? Those criminals? Just seeking clarification.

Ron Paul is a Libertarian and here is the libertarian platform:

Corporations: Eliminate anti-trust laws. (This means no laws to control corporate monopolies and no consumer protections.)

Labor Markets (unions): An employer should have the right to recognize or refuse to recognize a union (This is another way of saying they are opposed to unions.)

Public Services: Eliminate the Postal Service. Transfer all government services, from public schools to landfills, to private ownership. (This means privatization of all public programs including public education.)

Property Rights: Would restrict public domain to immediate public use (goodbye public beaches), and sell or give away most public property to private owners. (This means selling or giving away the commons, i.e. our national parks, highways, bridges, buildings, dams, etc.)

Free Speech: Would abolish the FCC and allow private ownership of broadcast frequencies. (This means they favor a complete corporate monopoly of the airwaves without regulations which could lead to unfettered pro-corporate propaganda.)

Church and State: Calls for reduced IRS regulation and monitoring of tax-exempt churches. (Do you think this might explain the cozy relationship between the Tea Party and the religious right?)

Reproductive Rights: Pro-choice, but opposes all federal funding of abortion (which is currently the case) and most federal entitlements for women who choose to carry their pregnancies to term, including the child tax credit.

Environment: Free markets and property rights stimulate the technological innovations and behavioral changes required to protect our environment and ecosystems. Governments, unlike private businesses, have a terrible track record when it comes to environmental protection. (This means BP and Exxon Mobile will be able to determine what’s safe and what’s in our best interests. No government controls.)

Energy and Resources: We oppose all government control of energy pricing, allocation, and production. (Think your gas prices are high now, try taking away controls?)

Government Finance and Spending: We call for a repeal of the income tax, the abolishment of the Internal Revenue Service and all federal programs and services not required under the U.S. Constitution (That means everything except the Military). (As Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. said, “Taxes are the price we pay for civilized society.” I’d like to see the rich pay their fair share. Sounds like Libertarians want to do away with civilized society.)

Money and Financial Markets: We favor free market banking, with unrestricted competition among banks and depository institutions of all types (This means Libertarians favor the kind of deregulations that are responsible for the financial crash of 2008)

Monopolies and Corporations: We seek to divest government of all functions that can be provided by non-governmental organizations or private individuals (Full privatization. Imagine paying the same high prices we currently pay for medical insurance for everything else, including food, electricity, cloths and on and on.)

Education: Education, like any other service, is best provided by the free market (This is another way of saying they favor vouchers and privatization).

Health Care: We favor restoring and reviving a free market health care system (This is another way of saying they are against Medicare and Medicaid and any sort of government sponsored and regulated health care system).

Retirement and Income Security: Retirement is the responsibility of the individual, not the government. Libertarians would phase out the current government-sponsored Social Security system and transition to private voluntary system. The proper and most effective source of help for the poor is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals. (This is another way of saying; you’re on your own.)

National Defense: We support the maintenance of a sufficient military to defend the United States against aggression. (That’s it folks, this is the only publicly supported program they favor.)

Free Trade and Migration: We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. (This is another way of saying they support NAFTA, CAFTA, WTO and shipping our jobs to third world slave labor markets.)

For more information: http://www.lp.org/platform

Yep…
And what about physically and mentally handicapped people who depend on SS and Medicaid?
Some of them are able to work menial jobs but need other support. My mother in law suffered a stroke last year and is now unable to work do to some physical limitations now…what is she supposed to do if you cut SS and Medicare Ron Paul?

In the words of Alan Grayson, Ron Paul’s plan for all those useless untermensch poor people is to ‘just die.’

Social Darwinism at its finest, Ron. F$#k this A$$hole.

Social Darwinist = Ron Paul. Many other ubermensch dicators are or were like that.

Great Pledge Denny. But i think we are more in the Facism mode in “practice” and Socialism mode in “speaking”. I could be wrong.

Exerts from the two philosophies.

Typically, Socialism is concerned with both the social and economic system in a country. Property and wealth are shared, and their distribution are subject to the control of the people, who exert equal control of the government. The community or state owns all the things used for work production, called the means of production, and thus may also decide what is produced and how to distribute as evenly as possible the moneys paid for things produced.

In the social context, since all, and not a few people, control the means of production, disparity between rich and poor shrinks. All can expect a fairly even distribution of wealth from what is produced, so all live at approximately the same income level. Further, all have a place as workers in such a society, since everyone is equally invested in production proving beneficial to the society and the individual.

Fascism is commonly confused with Nazism. Nazism is a political party platform that embraces a combination of a military dictatorship, socialism and fascism. It is not a government structure. Fascism is a government structure. The most notable characteristic of a fascist country is the separation and persecution or denial of equality to a specific segment of the population based upon superficial qualities or belief systems.

Simply stated, a fascist government always has one class of citizens that is considered superior (good) to another (bad) based upon race, creed or origin. It is possible to be both a republic and a fascist state. The preferred class lives in a republic while the oppressed class lives in a fascist state.

Fascism promotes legal segregation in housing, national resource allocation and employment. It provides legal justification for persecuting a specific segment of the population and operates behind a two tiered legal system.

General characteristics
of a fascist country:

1. Fascism is commonly defined as an open terror-based dictatorship which is:

Reactionary: makes policy based upon current circumstances rather than creating policies to prevent problems; piles lies and misnomers on top of more lies until the truth becomes indistinguishable, revised or forgotten.

Chauvinistic: Two or more tiered legal systems, varying rights based upon superficial characteristics such as race, creed and origin.

Imperialist elements of finance capital: Extending a nation’s authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political domination of one state over its allies.

Though a dictatorship is the most common association with fascism, a democracy or republic can also be fascist when it strays away from its Tenets of sovereignty. In the 20th Century, many Fascist countries started out as republics. Through the use of fear, societies gave up their rights under the guise of security. Ultimately these republics morphed into Fascist states.

2. Fascism is an extreme measure taken by the middle classes to forestall lower-working class revolution; it thrives on the weakness of the middle classes. It accomplishes this by embracing the middle-class’ love of the status-quo, its complacency and its fears of: TOP
Generating a united struggle within the working class
Revolution
Losing its own power and position within society
In a more simplistic term the people currently in control fear that if they allow equal rights and equal consideration to those being oppressed, they will become oppressed and lose everything.

Generally those in power are of a smaller segment of society, but they hold the wealth and control of key systems like manufacturing, law, finance and government position, (e.g. the slave owners in the south prior to the civil war) and the oppressed vastly outnumber them, (the slaves during the same period)
In reality it is the oppressors’ fear of retribution by the oppressed that perpetuates fascism; for justification they dehumanize, demonize, strip them of rights, add new laws, restrict movement and attempt to control them by whatever means possible to prevent an uprising.

It is very common in a fascist system to have the oppressed referred to as sub-human, animals, terrorists, savages, barbarians, vermin or any other term designed to create justification for the acts of terror and fascism perpetrated on the oppressed. Via dehumanization society can then accept that the oppressed are incapable of thinking or acting in a peaceful manner or taking care of themselves, and thus society is exonerated from culpability in their own minds. Propaganda, not persuasion, logic or law, is the tool of fascism, though at times very difficult to spot. It specifically rides the fact that negative behavior is innate, (born with) rather than a logical behavior in response to oppression. Propaganda also empowers the oppressors with elitism racially, socially, intellectually and/or spiritually.

I would say according to all this, the government may be playing us with BOTH philosophies interchangeable depending on what agenda motive and result is expected. Confusion of ideologies working here. Oh, yeah, another thing. I am amazed how you could “pop” out all this so quickly. You´re good, you´re good, you´re very good.

Paul

And if you think for one millisecond that the power elite that have all of the money are going to sit back for a massive devaluation you are D R E A M I N G! They will unleash their armies upon anyone threatening the “system”.

Reform yes but incremental reform otherwise hundreds of millions will die!

Posted on 04.27.11
By Eric W. Dolan
Categories: Nation

Speaking to MSNBC host Cenk Uygur, Texas Republican Congressman Ron Paul said if he were elected President of the United States he would try to transition the country off of Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. Watch below:

Rep. Paul has said these things numerous times in the past. He doesn’t like the Dept. of Education which from what I’ve seen in red states not only do we need the Dept. of Education, we need to give it more powers as there are a lot of red states idiots running around who can barely read and write and do math, but they are clueless in history and Civics and science as well.

He doesn’t like Social Security or Medicare or any other things that help us.

When I was working I started a 401K as soon as I was eligible, but thanks to the crash October 2008 it dies after all the years of putting part of my wages into it. without Social Security and also Medicare I would be dead now.

Obviously you didn’t watch the actual video interview either. Or maybe you just failed to understand what Dr, Ron Paul actually said.

uh oh…..he just LOST my vote…..Jesse Ventura…WHERE ARE YOU????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Didn’t Halliburton move its headquarters to Dubai?
Lot of good those tax-dollars did for Americans.

(QUOTE)The criminals fear Dr Ron for good reason.(QUOTE)
Yeah, he’s just as much of a nut as they are.
A fucking republican on steroids.

So what happens if you get into a horrible accident that leaves you unable to work or you suffer a stroke or some other aliment that leaves you some what limited? Are we supposed to just leave you at the mercy of the ‘free market’? Just leave you on the streets with no safety net at all? That’s what true libertarians like Ron Paul and his equally whacked out son want. Guess it was okay for his heroine Ayn Rand to use Social Security and Medicare when she got old and sick though…hah?

Problem is, Ventura wants to run on the same ticket with Paul….I don’t think Ventura is clear on the libertarian (fascist) platform.

He’s a perennuial. He’ll run every presidential election year.

Check your dictionary moron. “Transition” and “kill” are NOT synonyms for each other.

How long have you worked on Wall Street?

nice “trumpish” way to express this!!!! hahahaha (except it ISN’T funny!)

If the big guys didn’t get greedy it could work.

I have to reply because a statement you made didn’t make sense to me. Before I get started, I just want to say that History class is a really useful class to have taken. You might want to take a refresher, just sayin

Anyway, damixaustex, you said, “Change the monetary system? As President? Don’t think so. Better shot at it in Congress.”

That’s not necessarily true at all. “What makes you think you’re right?” you may ask. Back in the 1830s, President Andrew Jackson demolished the 2nd US central bank by making an Executive Order to withdrawal all funds from the central bank. The government then had to issue its own currency, as it should be doing anyway, to make up for the change. As it were quoted, “Jackson succeeded in destroying the Bank by vetoing its 1832 re-charter by Congress and by withdrawing U.S. funds in 1833.” You can find this in any encyclopedia if you have to look it up.

President Lincoln was next in line, I believe with his “greenback”. Since the 2nd Bank of the US wasn’t around, he had the government create its own greenback currency. As quoted by Lincoln on the matter, “The government should create, issue and circulate all the currency and credit needed to satisfy the spending power of the government and the buying power of consumers….. The privilege of creating and issuing money is not only the supreme prerogative of Government, but it is the Government’s greatest creative opportunity. By the adoption of these principles, the long-felt want for a uniform medium will be satisfied. The taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest, discounts and exchanges. The financing of all public enterprises, the maintenance of stable government and ordered progress, and the conduct of the Treasury will become matters of practical administration. The people can and will be furnished with a currency as safe as their own government. Money will cease to be the master and become the servant of humanity. Democracy will rise superior to the money power.” The greenback, a 100% government currency, was accepted and used just fine. It’s a testament to the cursedness of the Fractional Reserve Banking system, why we need to get rid of the central bank, and have our own sound money again.

My final point to press the issue further is that on June 4, 1963, a little known attempt was made by President Kennedy to strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the government at interest. On that day President John F. Kennedy signed Executive Order No. 11110 that returned to the U.S. government the power to issue currency, without going through the Federal Reserve. That Executive Order 11110 actually still stands, so Ron Paul is right about us needing to knock the Fed out, shut them down. In all technicality, they’re continually perpetrating a Federal felony and treason every time they print a dollar. So, I say again that it’s a testament to the cursedness of the Fractional Reserve Banking system, why we need to get rid of the central bank, and have our own sound money.

Though it is Congress’ responsibility to coin and manage our currency, they gave that power to the central bank (unconstitutionally, I may add; 16th amendment wasn’t legally ratified) and the President really is the only guy to really get it done, via Executive Order, as it has been done before. Technically all he’d need to do is call out the Fed, cite the EO11110, and go from there.

Ron Paul is not ending Medicare for anyone that is dependent! This is all bull. They are now twisting his words. Ron Paul’s plan is the only SUSTAINABLE plan. I may want social security but I know I’ll never get it. He wants younger people to have a choice to opt out of the plan. Eric Dolan is turning this story around. If you watch the video and actually hear what he says its all common sense. Cenk agrees with him as well.

Obviously you didn’t actually listen to what Paul actually said. Or you just failed to comprehend the meaning. Go back to sleep.

watch the clip. It’s not as the headline suggests.

Oh you beat me to it

“To Serve Man” is an episode of the television series The Twilight Zone.

I’m definitely not a republican at all. But you totally miss the point. Obviously you didn’t actually listen to what Paul actually said. Or you just failed to comprehend the meaning. Go back to sleep.

You liberals are all alike. Just because he named his son after her you think he adores Ayn Rand. Typical Leftist agitprop!

You liberals are all alike. Just because he named his son after her you think he adores Ayn Rand. Typical Leftist agitprop!

Got an actual source for your claim? Your opinion is meaningless without the facts to back them up.

Doubtful.
Check some of the posts.
It’s a really weird form of delusion I’ve never seen before.

For example, they don’t think “I would transition us out of Medicare and Social Security” equals “Ron Paul would end the programs.” in any way.

You’re supposed to take care of her. That’s the whole point. Multigenerational households, like existed for millenia, so that the women and the children can care for the old and the weak.

Check your dictionary moron. “Transition” and “kill” are NOT synonyms for each other.

Social Security is still running a surplus and will for years to come.
Without regulation, Wall Street is not sustainable. Stop parroting fatalist free-market fantasy.

Check your dictionary moron. “Transition” and “kill” are NOT synonyms for each other.

Ah yes, that magical free-market.

Letting people OPT OUT of social security and pay for those who don’t want to by cutting war funding is batshit crazy?

What exactly do you think will happen otherwise?

Yeah, let’s copy the social conditions of 1950′s Latin America. That’s what America needs to do.

I’m familiar with the history, but we’re talking about right now and the future, the global economy.
Do you think the President of the United States can change the US monetary system?
Didn’t think so. Theories are fun, practicality rules.

Ron Paul is currently, finally in a position to do something about all his financial dreams. So what does he wanna do, run for President.
The guy is a talker, wasting your time.

You don’t have to OPT OUT. That is what OPT means, having an OPTION. However, before those programs existed that didn’t happen. Why would it now?

What is completely amazing to me is the way these teabagger “keep your hands of my Social Security you socialist” line up for financial suicide every election like the Jonestown disciples lined up for their koolaid. Yet they swallow the lies and keep on doing it. The level of stupidity is breathtaking.

The ones using the money for other purposes then when the bill comes due saying they won’t pay. Those criminals. NOTE that that is NOT what Ron Paul is saying.

because he is.

You may say that I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
I hope someday you’ll join us
And the world will be as one –John Lennon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_km0u64OLng

He’s a Libertarian…You can bet your next paycheck that he will do away with Medicare and Social Security if given the power to do so…Read the Libertarian platform.

Hey RawStory, with such a misleading headline you are committing a fine example of YELLOW JOURNALISM. FOX News would be very proud of you!

From the Libertarian platform:

Retirement and Income Security: Retirement is the responsibility of the individual, not the government. Libertarians would phase out the current government-sponsored Social Security system and transition to private voluntary system. The proper and most effective source of help for the poor is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals. (This is another way of saying; you’re on your own.)

Health Care: We favor restoring and reviving a free market health care system (This is another way of saying they are against Medicare and Medicaid and any sort of government sponsored and regulated health care system).

If Social Security is a “ponzi scheme” then so is the stock market.

Currently Social Security is 100% funded through 2037 and 80% funded through 2075. SS currently has a 2.5 trillion dollar surplus because in the 1980′s Ronald Reagan increased the SS fees to 8.5% for baby boomers, thus making them the first to pay for their parent’s SS and their own SS.

So, his words were “I would transition us out of those programs.”
Can you explain how that is not killing the programs?

Hey its huffington raw never knew…

THERE ARE ONLY RADICAL AND “MORE” RADICAL REPUBLICONS….AND THEY HAVE A PURPOSE

The purpose of the existence of the MORE radical teabaggers/extremists, the Rush Limbaughs, Glenn Becks, Sean Hannity’s, Michelle Bachmanns, Steve Kings, Jim DeMints, Ron Pauls and Scott Walkers is to make the radical Republicons/neocons; the Bill O’Reillys, Mitt Romneys, Joe Scarborough’s, Tom Coburns, Mike Huckabees, Haley Barbours and Lindsey Grahams APPEAR to be REASONABLE/SANE by COMPARISON, when they are in FACT mercenary black-hearted Republicon CONSERVATIVE EXTREMISTS to their cores. As a result, “compromising” with Republicons pushes malleable/non-confrontational Democrats (president Obama) FURTHER and FURTHER to the RIGHT…so much so that liberals and progressives stayed home during the 2010 midterm elections because president Obama ALLOWED government policies to be PUSHED to the RIGHT in the name of BI-PARTISANSHIP…otherwise known as appeasement, empowerment and surrender to RADICAL EXTREMISM!

Abandoning and or compromising away liberal/progressive/core Democratic values is not progress; it’s getting in bed with and validating/accepting the PROGRESSION OF the EVIL of RADICAL EXTREME VALUES!

Every seemingly “small” compromise with today’s Republicons is an insidious movement from the GOOD to EVIL side of humanity/morality….and president Obama IS NOT REJECTING it; he’s FACILITATING it by “NOT” FIERCELY and REPEATEDLY CONDEMNING it….BY CUTTING DEALS WITH IT!

No matter what his intentions, president Obama is aiding and abetting EVIL by allowing it to gain MOMENTUM and ACCEPTANCE…and HE is PRAGMATICALLY contributing to the REGRESSION of Democratic values/morals…AND he is CAUSING Democrats to lose voter support because voters see a Democratic leader who is leading them TOWARD the EVIL of today’s RADICAL REPUBLICANISM instead of AWAY FROM IT!

Dear RawStory,

I just sent the following message to you via you “Contact Page”. You say you want to hear from your readers. Ok, here goes…

RawStory,

I am writing in regards to your current main headline entitled “Ron Paul: If elected president, I’d kill Medicare and Social Security”

It seems that the author of this article, Eric D, Dolan, failed to either watch or comprehend what Ron Paul actually said in this MSNBC News interview.

Is this really the quality of news that your website wants to be associated with?

This is a fine example of YELLOW JOURNALISM. FOX News would be very proud!

Yes it’s true Libertarians idealistically want to end all social programs.
But this is a misleading headline because Ron Paul says that if he had to cut one or the other, he’d cut the military spending over the healthcare. He said so twice in this very video.

But voting for Paul is not going to make things better. A vote for Paul is a vote for pure unobstructed corporatism aka fascism.

Having said that he won’t have to worry about actually being President.

lunaursus, you are absolutely correct with one distinction.
It is one party promoting the concept of renigging. The other party that which created the public trust – is not supporting the free-market bait and switch.

Social Security pays for itself.
Medicare is indeed a social service of government, but it’s the most effective dollars spent on healthcare, if anything we should expand it and get rid of other overpriced health expenditures (like health insurance, for example, complete waste of cash).

“That’s the way I see it as well.”
He said “transition out of the programs”
How is that not ending the programs? Did I miss something?

What does that have to do with what he also said about Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security?

And please…tell me the last president who cut into military spending.

Take your time.

Does Ron actually believe all young people want to opt-out S.S.? Who did he talk to and how many. How much do they earn? Does their parents have health insurance?

Ever.

aaah. finally the old goper shows his true colors and end his chances of being prez. ya, given the chance he’d cut the military over medicare BUT all the rest of those dipshit gopers in the congress house would never allow THAT.

Dear Editors of Raw Story. Does Eric W. Dolan work for Raw Story as a journalist or is this an “opinion” piece? Does Raw Story report news or is Raw Story an opinion web site? Please clarify because the headline here could have just as easily read, “Ron Paul: Cut Wasteful Military Spending and Fix Medicare before it’s bankrupt”. Only the most biased person could listen to the interview and….No…not “even” the most biased person could listen to the interview and rationalize Mr. Dolan’s headline. Mr. Eric Dolan, is this an honest mistake or did you intentionally mislead readers of Raw Story?

Paul is a fringe congressman in a party loyal to the Pentagon/Wall Street turnstile.

Ron Paul stated that if he could get the people (presumably Congress) to go along he would begin the phasing out of all three programs- Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. That they were in fact unconstitutional. I don’t see your beef.

He did not say that. Headline is wrong.

Ask your mothers and fathers if they would gladly “opt out” of Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security.

Then ask them where they would find the affordable insurance and retirement programs as replacements.

Good luck.

Please. Those people hate abortion because then there would be less poor children around that they love to see starve. It gives them four hour erections.

Great talking points, dude. I don’t watch youtube videos.

Let’s try this again, because you’re twisting yourself into a pretzel trying to spin this, and your defensiveness shows just how bad you think Paul’s revelation is. Paul wants to END Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid. Period.

What does Social Security have to do with runaway military spending?

Mythical is more like it.

Phew! There’s one less thing that I don’t have to worry about. As if this d-bag has a chane at the Oval Office.

“If I … were king … of the forrrrrrrrrrrrrrest … .”

chance. (typo)

oh plaaaaeeze. little ole raw corrupting amerika? they are one little website run out of a little house in DC. FUX on the other hand is in big fancy buildings in New York with highly paid crooks and liars who show up on camera with fancy wardrobes and expensive makeup. Throw in BIG fancy studios and control rooms stuffed all kinds of high tech HD with MILLIONS in operating budget. Next time your little ron-paul-drunk-the-coolaid mind thinks of a comparison TRY and take two more minutes to “SELL IT” better. judas!

Alan Grayson and Ron Paul are friends.

They have worked together many times.
They both respect each other’s honesty.

Both parties are corrupt to the core.
Alan Grayson wanted Single-Payer.

Closer to an anarchist, I’d say.

Ron Paul has frequently said that social security and medicare are unconstitutional. It is also in the libertarian party platform. Only the most biased person would fail to see the truth. BTW: stock up on asphalt. He doesn’t think that building roads or bridges and maintaining them is government’r responsibility, either.

Social Security is not broken.
It’s solvent for a few more decades and can be “fixed” beyond that by legislating a minor tweek or two.

oh plaaaaeeze. little ole raw corrupting amerika? they are one little website run out of a little house in DC. FUX on the other hand is in big skyscrapers in New York with highly paid crooks and liars who show up on camera with fancy wardrobes and expensive makeup. Throw in BIG fancy studios and control rooms stuffed all kinds of high tech HD with MILLIONS in operating budget. Next time your little ron-paul-goper-drunk-the-coolaid mind thinks of a comparison TRY and take two more minutes to “SELL IT” better. judas!

The problem with Ayn Rand libertarianism is the same as that of pure Communism: both are utopian, in nature, and therefore ignore the very basic problem of human nature.

Business regulating themselves? They have proven they cannot do it. Making those very same people the sole arbiters of our health and retirement social safety nets? Lunacy.

Now take the folks on the lowest end of the capitalist bell curve (keep in mind that young people usually occupy those rungs, at least to start). You are going to give them an option of paying for a retirement plan? When they are struggling to make ends meet? I am by no means suggesting that they lack the intellectual capability to know realize that they should plan for retirement; I would posit that retirement planning falls into Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs a long way up the ladder from food and shelter. (In fact, I would posit that there are a lot of folks in the middle class, who are supposedly farther up the chain, that are struggling to save money for retirement.)

And even for those rare individuals, willing to live on even less for the option of living on just somewhat less in their old age; you want to give their money to the people who are dreaming up the next scheme of fractal derivatives betting? Why not just put everyone on a plane and send them to Vegas once a year? It is the same thing. At least they would be betting the money themselves.

Please watch the clip. You and many others have been misled by Raw Story.

saying and questioning….that’s way different than DOING.
But you are right I did ask who else is “saying.”

But if you are Obama, maybe you COULD DO something about it instead of just saying.

Darn, Ron is just another banana republic style politician. I would have voted for him before he dropped this A-bomb.

Please come up with another insulting label for Libertarians. The Fascist label does not fit. Libertarians are not in favor of any fascist policies. I won’t bore you with the definition of fascism. You’ll either look it up or not.

Yeah, that’s the republicon intent.
No guarantees with Wall Street – only “market corrections”.

I can say that pretty well ends any hope this bozo had for the Oval Office. Go teabag some more big business billionaires and maybe you can get a consulting job when the people kick your ass to the curb in 2012 or sooner. Recall this idiot!

Are you related to Eric Dolan?

What political party do you lie for?

Then he just KILLED his run for president! It must be something in the genes that make this group batship!

Nothing but massive incompetence, nothing, really? Bit of an exaggeration wouldn’t you say?
I live in one of the most corrupt states, Texas.
Our government gets overrun from time to time with crooks and charlatans. We have a balance budget clause in our state constitution, but that didn’t keep our governor from spending 25 Billion into the red. Oil companies and large corporations rule the state. Our public schools are among the worst in the nation. Our state does the worst job in the nation of caring for it’s poor.
You would advocate giving Texas more free reign to be “progressive?”
Dude, it just doesn’t work that way over here. The Federal Government has to practically force progress on Texas.

i think you are an asshole. And I am a progressive. So do not dare to assume what my priorities are.

Some of us fear the unfettered captialism and “randianism” that the “free markets” do to innocents.
Exploitation, and the idea of collateral damage (dead innocents) is one reason I am progressive. I actually do care about what happens to my fellow creature…(man or animal).

And I venture to say that many of my fellow progrssives feel the same way.

So I say with all due respect (none) fuck off libertate.

Why always fascists? Please look up the definition of fascist and tell me how Libertarian policies and Fascists policies have “anything” in common. No problem being insulted but I am seriously at a loss why the insult is always “fascist”. Seriously, why?

The point is, Paul is purposely alienating voters by going TOO FAR to the right in order to make someone like Romney seem LESS RADICAL/MORE PREFERABLE. Imagine if the people of Germany in 1930′s had to choose between someone who wanted to persecute Jews, people with brown eyes or hair, overweight people, men and women over 60 years of age and everyone who didn’t eat sauerbraten or Wiener schnitzel every day….or someone who ONLY wanted to gas Jews.

Yes and they did such an inadequate job that almost every modern nation now has a government social safety network to keep seniors from living impoverished. And not everyone has kids and or grand-kids. And they’ve got a right to expect the game not to be changed on them all of a sudden. The U.S. is bankrupt because of its obscene military spending (more than the next dozen countries combined) and its unbelievably costly for-profit health “system” (which the GOP is fighting like mad to continue the status quo).

Cenk: “So I just want to get clarity, so if you became president you would transition completely out of Social Security and Medicare?

Paul: “…Yeah, that would be my program, is to transition out, because this one has failed, and you’re going to have riots in the street, the food riots will come…”

Disclosure comes at the 4:40 mark.

I seriously like that insult!

I don’t care for Mr. Paul but it is a misrepresentation. We all know what he wants to do by now, but at least he acknowledges that he would have to have the congress and the people on board to do it. The other thing is that he hasn’t shown how this could be done with out shortchanging those on SS at some point.

well at least the old SOB is honest

can anyone recommend another news website? Thanks to this headline, and a couple others in the past, I don’t want to come here anymore.

Why do some medicines cost over $1000 per month?

“I don’t watch youtube videos”.

Too bad. These are “The Money Masters” and “Money as Debt”, both excellent documentaries explaining our monetary system.

“. . . and best of all, he is a non-interventionist.” First of all, that’s what he says–simply words. Secondly, even if he truly believes this, what makes you think he can do something about it. Big Capital will dictate what he will and will not do. Have you noticed that the presidency over the last few decades seems to be nothing more than a titular position? Additionally, especially with Rand and Ron, they are, in my estimation, simply dissembling neocons in libertarian garb.

don’t forget-the employer matched your contribution…unless you were self-employed for which you paid double FICA. THIS is what they really want to end…their matching FICA contribution.

For the millionth time: Social Security and Medicare are not bankrupt.

Medicare is one of the best run programs in the country, which is why people freak out when people talk about killing it.

Paul wants to replace failed and failing government programs with non government sources of healthcare that liberate people instead of enslave them. A good example is St. Jude Hospital.

Damned it takes some nads to give an honest answre if you are a politician. You may not like his answer, but at least you know what he will actually try to accomplish as opposed to pretty much everyone else.

But he is just trying to soft land the inevitable. There are no more young person’s earnings to seize and there never was a trust fund.

vertebrae03 not to quibble but I think damixaustex may have been thinking of Article I, Section 8
“The Congress shall have Power To To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;”
You are correct about applying executive order in times of crisis. (To republicans everything is a crisis, resolved by war and suspension of civil rights.)

Oops, sorry I meant to reply to vertebrae03.

Like some of us have been saying for months now, deep down Ron Paul is just anouther loony Republican. Only he wants to do away with all government programs and put everybody on the streets and under the bridges. If you loved the Great Depression you will love Ron Paul and the rest of his Republican cronies

They really are a!l the same, With Paul you also get someone who wants to end abortion and doesn’t believe in evolution. What a great non-Republican Republican!

Oh, but he wants to end the fed and war and he’ll let you smoke pot–under that bridge, if you still want to smoke it at the age of seventy!

Please watch the video. You and many others were misled by Raw Story’s headline.

I always find it funny when I noticed how so called news sites like this change words. For instance the the Headline on the home page for this says Paul says he will “Kill” Medicare, but in reality Paul says he would ” transition” out of it. Where does this website think they have the right to reinterpret other peoples words change them and then post them as their own.

I am so sick of people calling social security,medicare and medicaid entitlements! They are not FUCKING entitlements, Every person whoever drew a pay check has paid for these programs. They are savings accounts and retirement programs, We have paid for them so our seniors would not have to live in poverty, so the weakest and most vunerable (single mothers,children, veterans) among us would not suffer needlessly. It’s just so easy to call them entitlements, That way it’s sounds more like welfare and give away’s for all the free loaders and lazy cheats, you know like Grandma and Grandpa and most people who have worked all their lives, pay taxes, bought a house, raised children, followed the “rules”. Every generation contributes to the next generation, It’s called taking care of each other, but I guess that concept has vanished from this generation

Thanks for that useful information. I was taught to ask
“What are your sources?”

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When did trying to destroy American “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” become a viable political platform? How insane are today’s Republicans? Is the entire Republican Party suffering from PSTD because a Barack Hussein Obama was elected president of the United States? Are we living in a modern day Kafkaesque nightmare?

Why would that be, most seniors have plenty of money for retirement they won’t be living under a bridge. And under Pauls plan the cost of medical care would plummet just like cosmetic surgery has.

Look at how much a nose job cost in 1992 and how much it cost on average in 2009, calculate for inflation and its even more.

This is what happens when you take guaranteed payments out of the system, competition lowers the price. But you don’t compete for price when massive bureaucracies guarantee minimum payments to you.

actually he thinks that maintaining infrastructure (raods) falls on da states not da feds get ur F@ctz str8

Don’t like him or his politics, but at least he’s always honest.

Seriously, tho, do you think the President can wield executive order in the current global economy?
Didn’t think so.

Congress is best poised to do something about the problem, yet Ron Paul sits around on talk shows whining. He just wants to voice an opinion, like Glenn Beck or Lou Dobbs.

No matter where you go stuff happens.

You and I can spend dollars for roads and bridges with our neighbors more efficiently and much more wisely than the government can with our dollars and we could then stock up on money.

I remember county hospitals and locally administered medical care worked fine until the government helped destroy local hospitals. Medicare is top heavy with “administrators” who justify their positions by creating more problems and higher costs for me and you. I liked medicare when it was truly medical care.

Until you. Tell us what you think after you have been around long enough for the maket place to kick the crap out of you.

dennycrane

Isn’t that a basic requirement to be a Wall Street “investment” banker?

(I think I’ll trust the government with my Social Security.)

He’s an MD in his 70′s yet he want to end Medicare and Social Security. Where is his head at? He thinks we must EARN our health care.That is disgusting, especially from a doctor. And if we can’t afford it, what then? What happened to your Hippocratic Oath, Dr. Paul???

Why must we pay to live on the planet we’re born on?

It’s not about news. It’s about spinning current events to meet the emotional expectations of the RS target audience. Who cares what he actually said?

I think you meant United Healthcare you troll.

Here’s the problem: You say you would have voted for him before he dropped this A-bomb. But his program has been clear for years. He has hid nothing. Where have you been? Any bomb he just dropped would land that has already looks like the dark side of the moon. People have got to wake up and smell the fumes. Or country is in critical danger and ignorance is like tossing gasoline on the flames.

I like to know what Ron Paul thinks the solution is for when people get older and have no means to support themselves. Do they just crawl out into the streets and become beggars or better yet just crawl behind a dumpster and die? It’s one thing to go after government spending when it hurts the people and another to cut programs we pay into for our own survival. I half liked this guy but this is going to far … Ron and Rand Paul are both kooks.

I think you hear the same tripe every time he speaks. This time is no different.

The system works until some one decides to end the game. That’s the only way someone gets caught holding the bag.

Another Ron Paul troll. Give it up. You’re beginning to sound as batshit crazy as he is. Who said they are synonyms? You keep trying to make it that (I’ve seen you make this comment several times). Clever spinning… yet a FAIL.

I’m Ron Paul, eep-eep!
I’m a professor, eep-eep!
Everybody climb in own tree, eep-eep!
No government, eep-eep!
Throw poop at tourists, eep-eep!

Yeah, because your pathetic little posts in comments sections are so important, Evil Karl Rove has hired hundreds of people to say mean things about your God-Emperor. Get over yourself, emocrat. Nobody gives a fart in a high wind what you post on RS or anywhere else. You and your sockpuppets are. not. important. Go cry, emocrat.

Koo-Koo! Koo-koo! Let the back-peddling begin in 5, 4, 3, 2…

He’s finished. Birther Trump is finished.

Paul, why not run for Gov of Texas? Then you could secede and create your own little self-loathing nation of teabaggers. I’d fully support you for that. Otherwise, go crawl back into your unregulated hole.

Soylent Green?

Yes indeed it is fractional reserve banking. Now go back to school and find out why it’s done that way.

Kellia, you may be confused. I believe it’s the Hypocritic Oath that he and all Repukelicans take.

How much evidence do you really have to support that? Can you be sure he doesn’t regard his own supporters with the contempt of the Bush White House for the born-again crowd–or of Obama for the progressives?

Ron Paul, regardless of his positions, accent, upbringing, beliefs, appeal to certain folks, you name it will NEVER – NEVER – NEVER have a chance of being elected to the Presidency of the Nation – IMPOSSIBLE.

Look at the guy.. The VERY FIRST G7 meeting they would tear him into to little shreds almost as they did chimpy bush and leave him in a little pile in front of the door that chimpy couldn’t open – in China – he’s an idiot.

“most seniors have plenty of money for retirement” excuse me … what? Where did you get that idea and what do you mean by most? 51% would be most.

What if there are 25% of the people who can’t save enough for retirement? Even 10% become millions of people. Not sure you really gave this much thought … but then that’s the Ron Paul supporter for you.

What makes you so sure of that?

Damn you’re good.

Frankly, I think Raw Story got it right. Conservatives have a knack for renaming their awful policies to make them acceptable. PAUL SAYS HE WILL “KILL” MEDICARE IS EXACTLY WHAT PAUL WOULD DO!

If you’re correct, a lot of people are going to realize that they’ve been mistaken all along about this man.

I love it when assholes reveal their lies in the first sentence:

“Why would that be, most seniors have plenty of money for retirement they won’t be living under a bridge.” No, they do not, they have zilch for savings, except what they PAID INTO the system to COLLECT when they retire. Of course, being a simpleton, that simplistic notion whizzes over your head.

“And under Pauls plan the cost of medical care would plummet just like cosmetic surgery has.” Bwahahahahaha, yes Virginia, lobotomy victims are allowed to post comments too.

“This is what happens when you take guaranteed payments out of the system, competition lowers the price.” Hahahahaha, yeah, medical insurance and care have dropped like a rock……or is that your head?

Why don’t you have the balls to just say what you think outright? This Socratic question BS is a cop-out.

Yeah. He’s also the kind of libertarian who wants government out of his personal life, but in the personal lives of young women of child-bearing age.
Hypocrite.

Please explain the difference between phasing out these programs and eliminating them.

He also can’t win because he is not in favor of giving taxpayer money to large corporations (as far as I can tell). I don’t support him, but he ain’t going anywhere in this country without sucking the cock of big banks and the MIC.

Well, if there is no Trust Fund, then US Treasury notes are worthless too. Either there are US Treasury notes held in trust, or there are not….wanna bet there are?

Not going to let nitwits without facts and links to post such nonsense….they just do not want to pay those notes, so they can cut Billionaire and Millionaire taxes more, genius.

That’s who owns the Whores of D.C. Wakey wakey Powelll.

Profit

I keep saying–how do you know he’s so honest? Has anyone ever really looked into it and compared him to other politicians?

and the genius also thinks the solution to big business’ “problems” is to further deregulate them.

Let’s transition Paul into retirement….without any taxpayer-funded pension or health care……

How can a Libertarian be so hipped on authoritarian shiny trinkets like the title “Dr.”?

Most of those commenting only read the title but didn’t watch the video= smart

Actually, Raw was the one looking for special commentators.

Yes

Republicans are committed to killing Social Security and turning our retirement futures over to Wall Street. Have been since its inception – no secret.

If RawStory says “transition Social Security out of existence” will that suffice?

If you transition something that is, metaphorically speaking, “alive” to a state of non-existence, surely it must become metaphorically “dead;” in other words, “killed.”

Is a poisoner not a murderer because he uses arsenic to “transition” someone slowly out of this world?

Agreed. — People are throwing ‘names and labels’ at the Donald for stating the OBVIOUS. Public Policy (as opposed to We, the People, sovereign citizens’ policy) allowed productivity and creativity to be EXPORTED {global economy, is somehow ‘public policy’}. HISTORY shows us repeatedly, that the imposition of import TARIFFS, and laisse faire GOVERNMENT actually GROWS the economy. Forget about the ‘upset serfs’ being labelled — doesn’t much matter WHERE they are on the political spectrum. the POINT is, most cannot keep a roof over their heads, food on the table and clothes on their backs DUE to “Public Policy.” — Might not be a French revolution with pitchforks in the streets, but I damn shore garn-tee ya they’ll shoot BACK, and the ‘enforcers’ know it. Yep! ‘Change you can believe in.’ — I hope. Now, can we focus on reigning in the Great and powerful OZ, the REAL roots of the PROBLEMS? um — the tanked DOLLAR due to the FED? MONEY is NOT the ‘dollar,’ it is ANYTHING the PEOPLE agree is worthy of exchange for goods, services and capital venture. the mere mention of the word ‘barter’ sends a WHITE streak up their backs cuz they cannot get a GRIP on it.

Paul is right about cutting Military Spending and about Corporations; however, I don’t think he’d actually be successful at doing so. The problem is his libertarianism. He says he’d transition us out of Medicare, Medicaid, and SS by encouraging Americans to opt out of these programs. However, where would they get medical care? These people cannot afford health insurance premiums just as most of the rest of us Americans are unable to. He’s not focusing on the real issues nor is he offering solutions to them. People cannot take care of themselves, which is why we have these Government programs to HELP those who NEED it. Paul is just a pharmaceutical/insurance company stooge, which is ironic since he called out Corporations on their schemes.

worldtreker2004

Apparently you are not familiar with how and why Social Security came about in the first place.
Yeah, seniors had plenty of money until Wall Street (intentionally) collapsed the stock market in 1929 and left them destitute and homeless.

Medicare doesn’t pay for elective cosmetic surgery and has noting to do with those costs. Who’s giving you your talking points?

I don’t get it. Here is a man that has made a career from expounding on the so called evils of government. Yet, he has spent 32 of his 75 years working for it. Living on the Dole has enabled Paul to enjoyed all those wonderful perks, courtesy of, the United States Government. I would almost wager, like his son, his medical practice benefited from Medicaid and Medicare. Why these anti-government-government workers-are never question about it, is infuriating to me.

Ron Paul has merely refurbished the old Goldwater/Reagan rabbit hole in a more tasteful color scheme.

Please, Alice. Don’t go down there, honey! Your old mother country can’t take another cartoon adventure!!!

Really, because all the corporate fat cats are voting for mainstream candidates like McCain, Romney, and Obama — who got the rich vote in ’08.

Last time I checked Ron Paul received no corporate backing. So if what you say is true, why is no major corporation backing his platform?

Thanks Denny that was a heavey read. I read her stuff when I was very young and knew I didn’t want to be like her characters. That probably fated me to go from compassionate conservative to down right liberal. By my twenties I couldn’t imagine anyone modeling themselves after this tripe. But now we see the creatures come to life. As for the little people, there ,with or without the Grace of God go I. That’s real life.

He has no solution. Somehow, the mystical free-hand of the marketplace is supposed to step in if only the government would stop regulating corporations. It’s profoundly stupid, but what more can you expect from a Richy Rich ideologue with less empathetic ability than a low-functioning autistic child?

When he finally takes ownership of his courting the Neo NAZI movement, I maybe could agree with you. He won’t do it though.

Well, he did refuse to distance himself from his neo-nazi supporters.

Can you tell me how to reply personally to a reply to my post. Discus won’t let me. Anyway thanks for the defense. Transition means a movement from one state or place to another. Transition off of social programs must mean moving from where you are in them to where you aren’t in them. At the point there are no more participants in a program, the program is essentially ended. Thanks for letting me use your post for a reply to a real moron.

What’s the difference between “transitioning out of” a program and killing it? There isn’t.

You won’t be missed.

I’ve commented previously that Paul is one scary dude and have been FLAMED by the Paul-bots that post here about him being a great choice for POTUS. Although he has some commendable positions on this Countries war adventures around the world his positions on domestic issues would take us back to the Victorian age. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. My big problem with these reich wingers and their attack on SS and Medicare is that funding these programs would be solved way into the future if only the cap on income were removed. In fact I believe that if that were done they could probably lower the percentage off tax and still fully fund the programs. Paul is a fool that has benefitted from Government personally for some time but would have NO problem with taking benefits from the rest of us.

“Transition out of” medicare is a euphemism for “kill” medicare. In politics, it’s called “doublespeak,” which is what the politicians are constantly guilty of in order to disguise the truth about their intentions. Ron Paul also supports the continued deregulation of corporations, which has contributed significantly to the sorry state of affairs of our nation. And you can try to color it anyway you want, but Ron Paul does indeed (and has for years) supported the elimination of medicare, medicaid and social security; and he’s pro-choice, which would indicate that he really has no problem with big govt imposing itself into the lives of flesh and blood people, but only opposes big govt when it comes to regulations and taxation of the corporate powers and the filthy rich–because he’s also opposed to making those two greedy groups pay their fair share in taxes.

Last, but not least, Ron Paul is just flat out too old to be president–in August, he’ll be 77 years old.

is people!

Private insurance is top heavy with CEOs and idle shareholders that suck all the money out of the system. Oh, and your memory is faulty.

Good luck with that.

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The fact is, as he said in the video, our monetary policy is causing the collapse of the dollar. So you are getting all upset about him wanting to cut SS and medicare but what you don’t understand is we wont have the money to continue with these services anyway because of our huge debt.

What are your poor Conservative southern states going to do without federal money? Fall apart? Not that I have too much of a problem with letting them go to hell, but I don’t think that everyone in a state should have to suffer just because the majority is stuck on stupid.

When it comes to corporations Paul has worn out his knee caps. he favors ‘No Tax’ on business.

Despite all the patronizing crap about how supremely intellectual they all are, Libertarians are often not very rational.

i absolutely agree.

“Transition” means “move over some period of time from from one state to another.”

At the end of the “transition,” these programs will have joined the Choir Invisible and will have Ceased To Be. They will be ex-programs, flippin’ deceased. They will have transitioned from Somethingness to Nothingness. The will be a Was.

Another way of putting it is that Ron Paul will have killed them. No really!! What? The dictionary doesn’t say that? No–No. No–hey, I swear I would never tread on you! What? The dictionary what?
No, no–no, please don’t shoot. BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

Where would we be without the superior intellects of Libertarians?

He said he wants to fund it by cutting military spending policing the world, then let people OPT OUT IF THEY WANT TO because it would no longer be dependent on the next generation paying for this generation’s benefits.

What about that don’t you like?

He would let people opt out, he wouldn’t force them out. He’s the only one with a plan to pay for it. What is YOUR plan?

You’re flamed because your cushion is being threatened. All boomers are shitting themselves because they fell for the lie that the gvt had established about some fairytale retirement mumbo jombo. Sorry pops. With all due respect….you better learn how to sweep floors and wash windows, because you will be taking those jobs back from the illegal immigrants in the near future. Us young folks have got to clean up the mess that you old timers made. Thanks a lot! Ron Paul is the only one with and sense in the entire Congress. Wake up from your 60 something year long slumber and realize that you have been had by your precious government.

Working for a wage is not living on the dole even if the government pays the wage. And he refused his pension, did you know that? He thought it was immoral since he saw social security going bankrupt. He also always voted against raiding social security.

you really need to figure out who is on the people’s side, and who isn’t.

If we rescinded the tax cuts to the rich back to Clinton levels, cut the Pentagon budget and closed corporate tax loopholes, we’d have the budget problem fixed in no time. Under a decade. There’s no Medicare/Soc.Sec. crisis. The only “crisis” is GOP/Libertarian fears that they won’t get their hands on that money for tax cuts too.

Administrative costs are lower in medicare than in private insurance companies. Don’t worry, just reshape the facts to fit your argument. I’m used to hearing people lie.

The words he used in that video were ‘let the people who want to opt out’. How does that take anything ? Or didn’t you watch the video? This part is in the last quarter of the video, if that helps.

Then change the damn monetary policy and keep dirty free-market hands off Social Security and Medicare.

The money is there. It just hasn’t been taxed yet. Visit the Cayman Islands or a few other off-shore banking centers.

While I don’t agree with getting rid of those things, no one likes to mention he’d ALSO get rid the income tax (giving people more cash to pay for their own medical care) and cut spending to stupid things.

It’s all rhetoric cooked up to make nuts like Rand Paul, et al. sound credible. The real idea behind all this is addiction to ideology sans any consideration of the toll on humanity for implementing these utopian ideas.

Wow, a world without taxes! Without social programs! Wow! when I was a child I wanted everything for nothing and cookies before dinner!

I have the feeling that these types haven’t yet learned that there are limits in life and that nations require funding and social safety nets in order to ensure social cohesion.

Kellia, We have EARNED our healthcare by paying into medicare insurance taxes all our working lives. The only things I would agree to doing to medicare is either raising the cap on income taxed, or instituting a public option for all Americans.

If other wealthy countries can have healthcare for all, why can’t the US have the same benefits for it’s citizens?

It goes way beyond that. The Honorable Mr. Paul is a Libertarian. Libertarianism is a fatally flawed world view that includes such absurdities as “all our economic problems can be solved by a free market” (a “free market” is a purely theoretical construct requiring at least two things that are never going to happen: perfect knowledge and perfect competition).

Two statistics that right-wingers shouldn’t want the rest of the world to know: since they hijacked the Republican Party with Reagan’s election, EVERY democratic President has created more jobs than his Republican predecessor, and EVERY democratic President has done a better job of limiting the national debt than ANY republican in office.

If you can’t even understand what “yellow journalism” is and how it is being used in this article how could you POSSIBLY UNDERSTAND the difference between the meaning of “kill” versus “transition”? FOX News (a very Republican organization uses yellow journalism all the time against any of their enemies). Have you ever seen what they done to Ron Paul on numerous occasions? Well, RawStory also engaged in a total distortion of the truth in this article with a headline which is totally misleading. There is the similarity. Not the size of their offices and funding, dimwit.

Have you noticed the Neocons are still in control?
Have you noticed who is protecting the Neocons?

extortion blackmail bribery
….. the 9/11 cover-up …..

What I’d like to know is what Ron Paul thinks is the solution for when people get their jobs outsourced and, having no means to support themselves, turn in increasing numbers to violence directed against the government and the corporate masters who pull its strings. There will come a time when declaring them “enemy combatants” and having the FBI put the finger on their friends and family, all blatant violations of the Constitution, won’t cut it.

He’s still a fucking ASSHOLE!

Opt out and into what? Paying for more private insurance CEO bonuses?
Yeah, that will sure help them get the affordable medical care they need. Not.

wats the point in name calling, and whats your reasoning to back it up. Comments like that are useless

It also requires that people cease to matter. But people are the most important factor in any real, healthy economy.

“Free-Market” is as legitimate and real as pixy farts.

Its already too late you guys elected a president who continued to back Bernanke as the Fed chairman. The dollars at 16-month low against the euro and an all time low against the swiss franc. The dollar will no longer be the worlds reserve currency and so everything in our lives is gonna become more expensive. SS and Medicare can’t survive its just impossible look at our debt. The US is gonna default and were all going to be screwed.

The money may be there but thats the fault of our tax code. Regardless, burdening people with more taxes is not going to save our economy it will just speed up its decline. Keynesian economics is a failed system

Better yet…let people opt out of paying for unpopular, unfunded wars.

There. Budget “crisis” solved.

That’s not what your mom said.

wed have the budget problem fixed sure. But the debt problem will not be. And thats assuming stuff doesn’t get worse from here. How bout instead of cutting the pentagon budget, we end all these wars. and close corporate tax loophools? im sorry but the welfare state simply can’t survive once we are no longer the worlds reserve currency, closing loopholes ain’t gonna save us now.

IMHO That’s the beauty of a free market and capitalistic system. If your community is nice and rich then as a result you get nice, clean awesome roads. If your in the ghetto then your roads are going to be barely drivable. I have this same sort of line of thinking when it come to education, healthcare etc.

I don’t feel it’s my responsibility to help out these lower income areas or have my tax money spent on doing so. It sucks for them that their infrastructure is falling apart, or there is a disconnect in education but that’s the way it should be. No one has the RIGHT to healthcare, education, food, shelter…

Money rules everything. If you have it, you are going to be more educated, have better healthcare, etc. On the other side if you don’t have enough money to buy food.. you will die. And you might not deserve to die but that’s the way things work.

Many people will read this and call me insensitive and they’re right I AM. And I think many people out there share my same thoughts.

probably because most people decided not to watch the video and understand his ideas.

Well, you trolls are certainly out in force today. Didn’t know Ron Paul had such a cult following.

You said it all Yvonneo! I always enjoy reading your concise views on a given subject.

Ron Paul is an Ayn Rand fan, and it shows in all his policy views.

I don’t understand you. If it is an option, why do you care? If people want to opt out and “screw themselves over” (your belief not mine), then why are you so against letting them? It isn’t affecting you at all. You aren’t forced to do anything. You just sound like a control freak.

In my opinion, an opt out program is great. Because it will dispel a lot of the myths that you are spouting out right now.

All yolking aside, I think they stand at least a fair chance of pulling it off.

Sounds like surgethis decided watching the video in this article wasn’t important.

Opt out = Forced

This is your logic, right?

It’s shit-for-brains young assholes like this little bigot who will put the Ron Paul program over.

The little bitch doesn’t know what a Baby Boomer is, but he wants to kill them all.

(At the 2:45 mark in this video Ron Paul states “If we made common sense of it I would cut all this militarism and not cut people off from medical care.”

Go to the 3:38 mark in the video and listen to what Ron Paul says about cutting the military (overseas spending) Paul starts with the phrase “You have to start where you are…”

At the 4:35 mark Ron Paul continues by saying “Then take care of the elderly. Don’t put them out on the street. Then you could do that and work a transition.” That doesn’t sound like Paul wants to KILL Medicare and Medicaid to me.

Paul also says that he would transition out of Social Security and Medicare IF I could get “the people to agree” AND the Congress to agree. Notice he said get the people also to agree. You can’t presume that “the people” simply means Congress only. Because that is NOT what he said.

At the 5:29 mark Paul says “I’m just suggesting that the most popular way, political way, even though most Republicans disagree with me, is that I would cut the military and the overseas spending”. Then he goes on to say “then we don’t have to throw anyone out into the street sand we don’t have to get rid of Medicare”.

Now, if you read and understand what Ron Paul just said then you will understand why this headline of this article is WRONG and a PATENT LIE. And that Paul doesn’t want to KILL Medicare.

Words matter. And words have meaning. The “pseudo-journalist” who wrote the headline to this story should know this. Either that or he should choose a new profession because he is definitely unqualified to be in the one he is currently in.

End the wars and tax the corporations and rich.

Problem solved.

Ron Paul has the courage to stand up and tell it like it is. In fact, almost everyone in Washington, especially Obama, wants to gut social security, but Ron Paul is the only politician who will tell you to your face that it’s got to be done.

By the way, the “Trust Fund” has been being raided since the 1980s to pay for foreign voluntary wars. You approve of Obama’s “humanitarian” war in Libya? Well you ought to, because it’s being funded out of your future (non-existant) social security check.

i wish it was that simple, sadly its not.

(At the 2:45 mark in this video Ron Paul states “If we made common sense of it I would cut all this militarism and not cut people off from medical care.”

Go to the 3:38 mark in the video and listen to what Ron Paul says about cutting the military (overseas spending) Paul starts with the phrase “You have to start where you are…”

At the 4:35 mark Ron Paul continues by saying “Then take care of the elderly. Don’t put them out on the street. Then you could do that and work a transition.” That doesn’t sound like Paul wants to KILL Medicare and Medicaid to me.

Paul also says that he would transition out of Social Security and Medicare IF I could get “the people to agree” AND the Congress to agree. Notice he said get the people also to agree. You can’t presume that “the people” simply means Congress only. Because that is NOT what he said.

At the 5:29 mark Paul says “I’m just suggesting that the most popular way, political way, even though most Republicans disagree with me, is that I would cut the military and the overseas spending”. Then he goes on to say “then we don’t have to throw anyone out into the street sand we don’t have to get rid of Medicare”.

Now, if you read and understand what Ron Paul just said then you will understand why this headline of this article is WRONG and a PATENT LIE. And that Paul doesn’t want to KILL Medicare.

Words matter. And words have meaning. The “pseudo-journalist” who wrote the headline to this story should know this. Either that or he should choose a new profession because he is definitely unqualified to be in the one he is currently in.

(At the 2:45 mark in this video Ron Paul states “If we made common sense of it I would cut all this militarism and not cut people off from medical care.”

Go to the 3:38 mark in the video and listen to what Ron Paul says about cutting the military (overseas spending) Paul starts with the phrase “You have to start where you are…”

At the 4:35 mark Ron Paul continues by saying “Then take care of the elderly. Don’t put them out on the street. Then you could do that and work a transition.” That doesn’t sound like Paul wants to KILL Medicare and Medicaid to me.

Paul also says that he would transition out of Social Security and Medicare IF I could get “the people to agree” AND the Congress to agree. Notice he said get the people also to agree. You can’t presume that “the people” simply means Congress only. Because that is NOT what he said.

At the 5:29 mark Paul says “I’m just suggesting that the most popular way, political way, even though most Republicans disagree with me, is that I would cut the military and the overseas spending”. Then he goes on to say “then we don’t have to throw anyone out into the street sand we don’t have to get rid of Medicare”.

Now, if you read and understand what Ron Paul just said then you will understand why this headline of this article is WRONG and a PATENT LIE. And that Paul doesn’t want to KILL Medicare.

Words matter. And words have meaning. The “pseudo-journalist” who wrote the headline to this story should know this. Either that or he should choose a new profession because he is definitely unqualified to be in the one he is currently in.

Nonsense. The U.S. won’t default. Our debt was much worse after WW2.
Social Security is still healthy and solvent.

Reaganomics and its Free-Marketism is a failed ideology. Get over it.

Why is he a troll? Because he doesn’t agree with you? Because you fail to understand the meaning of words?

its pretty funny how people are getting so upset about medicare and medicaid being cut, or the possibility that SS will. Because regardless of whether or not its cut now they are never going to see that money.

(At the 2:45 mark in this video Ron Paul states “If we made common sense of it I would cut all this militarism and not cut people off from medical care.”

Go to the 3:38 mark in the video and listen to what Ron Paul says about cutting the military (overseas spending) Paul starts with the phrase “You have to start where you are…”

At the 4:35 mark Ron Paul continues by saying “Then take care of the elderly. Don’t put them out on the street. Then you could do that and work a transition.” That doesn’t sound like Paul wants to KILL Medicare and Medicaid to me.

Paul also says that he would transition out of Social Security and Medicare IF I could get “the people to agree” AND the Congress to agree. Notice he said get the people also to agree. You can’t presume that “the people” simply means Congress only. Because that is NOT what he said.

At the 5:29 mark Paul says “I’m just suggesting that the most popular way, political way, even though most Republicans disagree with me, is that I would cut the military and the overseas spending”. Then he goes on to say “then we don’t have to throw anyone out into the street sand we don’t have to get rid of Medicare”.

Now, if you read and understand what Ron Paul just said then you will understand why this headline of this article is WRONG and a PATENT LIE. And that Paul doesn’t want to KILL Medicare.

Words matter. And words have meaning. The “pseudo-journalist” who wrote the headline to this story should know this. Either that or he should choose a new profession because he is definitely unqualified to be in the one he is currently in.

“Why must we pay to live on the planet we’re born on? ”

So we can pay for public schools…

With ignorant comments like that none of us have anything to fear from your hopes for the presidency!

(At the 2:45 mark in this video Ron Paul states “If we made common sense of it I would cut all this militarism and not cut people off from medical care.”

Go to the 3:38 mark in the video and listen to what Ron Paul says about cutting the military (overseas spending) Paul starts with the phrase “You have to start where you are…”

At the 4:35 mark Ron Paul continues by saying “Then take care of the elderly. Don’t put them out on the street. Then you could do that and work a transition.” That doesn’t sound like Paul wants to KILL Medicare and Medicaid to me.

Paul also says that he would transition out of Social Security and Medicare IF I could get “the people to agree” AND the Congress to agree. Notice he said get the people also to agree. You can’t presume that “the people” simply means Congress only. Because that is NOT what he said.

At the 5:29 mark Paul says “I’m just suggesting that the most popular way, political way, even though most Republicans disagree with me, is that I would cut the military and the overseas spending”. Then he goes on to say “then we don’t have to throw anyone out into the street sand we don’t have to get rid of Medicare”.

Now, if you read and understand what Ron Paul just said then you will understand why this headline of this article is WRONG and a PATENT LIE. And that Paul doesn’t want to KILL Medicare.

Words matter. And words have meaning. The “pseudo-journalist” who wrote the headline to this story should know this. Either that or he should choose a new profession because he is definitely unqualified to be in the one he is currently in.

(At the 2:45 mark in this video Ron Paul states “If we made common sense of it I would cut all this militarism and not cut people off from medical care.”

Go to the 3:38 mark in the video and listen to what Ron Paul says about cutting the military (overseas spending) Paul starts with the phrase “You have to start where you are…”

At the 4:35 mark Ron Paul continues by saying “Then take care of the elderly. Don’t put them out on the street. Then you could do that and work a transition.” That doesn’t sound like Paul wants to KILL Medicare and Medicaid to me.

Paul also says that he would transition out of Social Security and Medicare IF I could get “the people to agree” AND the Congress to agree. Notice he said get the people also to agree. You can’t presume that “the people” simply means Congress only. Because that is NOT what he said.

At the 5:29 mark Paul says “I’m just suggesting that the most popular way, political way, even though most Republicans disagree with me, is that I would cut the military and the overseas spending”. Then he goes on to say “then we don’t have to throw anyone out into the street sand we don’t have to get rid of Medicare”.

Now, if you read and understand what Ron Paul just said then you will understand why this headline of this article is WRONG and a PATENT LIE. And that Paul doesn’t want to KILL Medicare.

Words matter. And words have meaning. The “pseudo-journalist” who wrote the headline to this story should know this. Either that or he should choose a new profession because he is definitely unqualified to be in the one he is currently in.

(At the 2:45 mark in this video Ron Paul states “If we made common sense of it I would cut all this militarism and not cut people off from medical care.”

Go to the 3:38 mark in the video and listen to what Ron Paul says about cutting the military (overseas spending) Paul starts with the phrase “You have to start where you are…”

At the 4:35 mark Ron Paul continues by saying “Then take care of the elderly. Don’t put them out on the street. Then you could do that and work a transition.” That doesn’t sound like Paul wants to KILL Medicare and Medicaid to me.

Paul also says that he would transition out of Social Security and Medicare IF I could get “the people to agree” AND the Congress to agree. Notice he said get the people also to agree. You can’t presume that “the people” simply means Congress only. Because that is NOT what he said.

At the 5:29 mark Paul says “I’m just suggesting that the most popular way, political way, even though most Republicans disagree with me, is that I would cut the military and the overseas spending”. Then he goes on to say “then we don’t have to throw anyone out into the street sand we don’t have to get rid of Medicare”.

Now, if you read and understand what Ron Paul just said then you will understand why this headline of this article is WRONG and a PATENT LIE. And that Paul doesn’t want to KILL Medicare.

Words matter. And words have meaning. The “pseudo-journalist” who wrote the headline to this story should know this. Either that or he should choose a new profession because he is definitely unqualified to be in the one he is currently in.

Um… hit the Reply button under and to the right of the poster’s comment box.

(At the 2:45 mark in this video Ron Paul states “If we made common sense of it I would cut all this militarism and not cut people off from medical care.”

Go to the 3:38 mark in the video and listen to what Ron Paul says about cutting the military (overseas spending) Paul starts with the phrase “You have to start where you are…”

At the 4:35 mark Ron Paul continues by saying “Then take care of the elderly. Don’t put them out on the street. Then you could do that and work a transition.” That doesn’t sound like Paul wants to KILL Medicare and Medicaid to me.

Paul also says that he would transition out of Social Security and Medicare IF I could get “the people to agree” AND the Congress to agree. Notice he said get the people also to agree. You can’t presume that “the people” simply means Congress only. Because that is NOT what he said.

At the 5:29 mark Paul says “I’m just suggesting that the most popular way, political way, even though most Republicans disagree with me, is that I would cut the military and the overseas spending”. Then he goes on to say “then we don’t have to throw anyone out into the street sand we don’t have to get rid of Medicare”.

Now, if you read and understand what Ron Paul just said then you will understand why this headline of this article is WRONG and a PATENT LIE. And that Paul doesn’t want to KILL Medicare.

Words matter. And words have meaning. The “pseudo-journalist” who wrote the headline to this story should know this. Either that or he should choose a new profession because he is definitely unqualified to be in the one he is currently in.

(At the 2:45 mark in this video Ron Paul states “If we made common sense of it I would cut all this militarism and not cut people off from medical care.”

Go to the 3:38 mark in the video and listen to what Ron Paul says about cutting the military (overseas spending) Paul starts with the phrase “You have to start where you are…”

At the 4:35 mark Ron Paul continues by saying “Then take care of the elderly. Don’t put them out on the street. Then you could do that and work a transition.” That doesn’t sound like Paul wants to KILL Medicare and Medicaid to me.

Paul also says that he would transition out of Social Security and Medicare IF I could get “the people to agree” AND the Congress to agree. Notice he said get the people also to agree. You can’t presume that “the people” simply means Congress only. Because that is NOT what he said.

At the 5:29 mark Paul says “I’m just suggesting that the most popular way, political way, even though most Republicans disagree with me, is that I would cut the military and the overseas spending”. Then he goes on to say “then we don’t have to throw anyone out into the street sand we don’t have to get rid of Medicare”.

Now, if you read and understand what Ron Paul just said then you will understand why this headline of this article is WRONG and a PATENT LIE. And that Paul doesn’t want to KILL Medicare.

Words matter. And words have meaning. The “pseudo-journalist” who wrote the headline to this story should know this. Either that or he should choose a new profession because he is definitely unqualified to be in the one he is currently in.

You’re absolutely nuts. He is the nicest person. I would be shocked if he’s ever raised his voice.

I think it is you who is mistaken. Phasing out of Social Security will not affect senior citizens of today at all. His idea is to introduce an opt out system which allows young people to CHOOSE to opt out of gov social programs in return for a lower income tax. He has stated numerous times that in order for his ideas to work, Americans need to change their mentality of what the purpose of Government is. The reason he is running for President is because many people are waking up to see that the federal government cannot support these ridiculous social programs that put us into debt and rob us of our rights. Forty years ago he was the lone wolf, but in recent years he is no longer alone. If he were to introduce an opt out program, it is my belief that it would only dispel the many myths that the left spews out about the dangers of being independent.

The good news is, this would not affect the older folk who have spent years paying into the system. It is obviously not fair to throw them out onto the street after years of dependency. The idea here is to bring our younger generations off of government dependency for the future.

Libertarians and Leftists (and even the Neo-Cons) obviously have a fundamental disagreement of how government should work. If a majority of citizens choose that government dependency IS the right way, an opt out program will do nothing to change that.

However, it is my personal belief that an opt out program will show people that a life without government dependency is a better life.

Of course it affects me Tyler dear. And all other working people and retirees. “Starving the Beast” only shifts the costs and tax-burden while lining the pockets of corporate leeches. Besides, I like living in a first-world country and want to do my best to keep it that way for future generations.
Must be that control freak thing.

As a preface, I used to be a hard corps liberal until I realized that most of the “liberals” of today are fiscal morons and are easily manipulated by corporations and the military industrial complex. Obama taught me that lesson, after I went through a great deal of effort supporting him in 2008. I feel deeply ashamed that I was so foully hoodwinked by that corporate sock puppet.

With that said, the military adventurism of America is the other side of the coin to the bread and circuses the government freely doles out. The government simply wouldn’t be able to afford financing its vast and expanding social programs and the expanding corruption and graft of the State without the expansive military campaigns to loot the resources of countries that can’t defend themselves . That is the lesson the Libertarians understand; we call this state of America the Welfare/Warfare state.

But frankly, the rest of the world is getting sick of financing our adventures. When the dollar loses its reserve currency status soon and then collapses, you and all the other “liberals’ and “conservatives” alike will have to learn what it means to live within your means. Ron Paul is proposing to make that transition easier. By covering your eyes and stopping up your ears you are only guaranteeing that it will be horrible. Ron Paul is definitely the last chance America has, if we can even make it to 2013 at all.

Libertarians want to shrink government to such a point that it will only fit inside a woman’s uterus.

Why not cut the Pentagon budget? It’s as much as the next 26 countries combined, and that’s just on-the-books costs. Nor does it factor in future expenditures such as pensions and the VA. Please not, I am not referring to any man or woman who has in the past or is now serving in the military; my concern is with the hundreds of thousands per annum who in the future would not enter the military because there was no need. Then end all the wars, close the corporate tax loopholes (though I think calling them loopholes at this point is a little silly), return credit rates for the average Americans to a point or two above prime, reinstate the Clinton-era tax rate (Hell, let’s take the top rate back to when Ike was in office-91%!), and do some meaningful Keynesian reinvestment in this country. While we’re at it we can put stringent limits on the amount of money doctors, hospitals, and insurance companies are able to siphon from the public purse because of lax Medicare codes. There, that ought to do it very nicely.

The real welfare state in this country is set up to transfer funds from the public to the kleptocracy. If you haven’t caught on to that over the last three years you really haven’t been paying attention.

True, enough. I’ve done it both ways. Doesn’t change the point, though. We struck a deal with the government, especially after the big payroll tax increase in 1984, that we could have a decent retirement after paying for all those years. Too bad the politicians (of both parties) couldn’t keep their paws off the trust fund. Now, the Repubs want to cancel the deal, and the Dems don’t have the spine to say no.

Fuck you.

So don’t end the Pentagon budget? Just end wars?

That’s not a welfare state. That’s a warfare state which is exactly why we have such a big deficit. Stealing working peoples’ Medicare and Social Security won’t help them.

You know I’m right so all you can do is name call.

Ron Paul doesn’t like SS or Medicare not because they’re not worthy programs or they cost too much money. What Ron Paul has a problem with is the distribution of Wealth away from the Wealthy towards the Middle Class and the poor. Ron Paul’s philosophy is trickle down economics. He believes that the more money Bill Gates makes the more money you will make.

If you buy into that philosophy I have a bridge to sell you over the Mississippi river overlooking the Rocky Mountains.

If you just graduated from High School and are “transitioning” to college does that mean you are being “killed”?

Ah, look who comes to his defense… misery loves company.

That is not what Ron Paul believes at all. Ron Paul himself would call the person who believed that reprehensible.

Dude nice try in manipulating my words. I said he wants to encourage Americans to opt out of the programs not FORCE. Also, your understanding of insurance companies is next to zero.

Medical care skyrockets because Insurance companies play this game of “what the market can bare” but really, they just up premiums every quarter because they can. Insurance companies don’t care about you, your grandma, or anybody else. They only care about profit. Caring for your medical needs means loss of profit for them which is why they drop plans, delay requests for those that need procedures, and play that “precondition” bullshit. Insurance companies are private companies so the Government has nothing to do with it other than they lobby government to do away with medicare and medicaid and demonize universal health care through your so-called “liberal” media.

My plan? As if you could actually comprehend what this country really needs.

Your premise that Obama is a liberal is completely wrong.

Most people who actually read my comment would know that I characterized Obama as a “corporate sock puppet”. My problem with liberals is that they are easily led into supporting corporate power, destruction of our civil liberties, and voluntary wars. See Libya as an example.

Blaa Blaa Blaa Blaa Blaa Blaa, Ron Paul keeps throwing his opinions against the wall to see if any stick while dodging real questions. He will lead if others follow/let him – this is leadership.

Now at least he finally admitted to his plan to eliminate Medicare and Social Security.

Check out a movie called “Inside Job”. The Deregulation of Industry including the Financial, Industrial, Military, etc under Reagan and inflated under Clinton, The Bushes, and the current President has turned the White House into a whore house. No ideology is perfect, but I do believe in Taxes, Unemployment, Welfare, Medicare, SS,etc . , but these Programs need oversight and should never have been allowed to be used as a ploy to get something for nothing. The only problem I have with people with wealth is that too have gamed the system by lobbying, finding loopholes, and off shoring jobs and money to avoid the IRS, and that they have the ear of the politicians who would rather be wined and dined then listen to a less fortunate constituent. I agree with The Libertarians about Wars, Drug and Vice Laws,but the Libertarian/ Ayn Rand stuff is like Anarchy and Communism ( they sound perfect and seem to offer the promise of a perfect society). Most people are decent, but given the chance to make trillions on the backs of others….would leave a wake of destruction like The Wall Street Army.

Out of one side of your mouth, you say that you think Ron Paul, who is 76 years old, is the only one with “common sense in the entire Congress” (and BTW has been a republican politician for over 30 years), and out of the other side of your mouth, you want to pin the blame for everything wrong in our nation on one group of people, “the baby boomers,” (as though they are the cause of ALL the problems we face) who happen to be a group of people who are older than you, but younger than Ron Paul. Yeah–I’m going to listen to you–NOT!

Cenk ended Paul’s career and I think Paul knew it. He got grumpy towards the end.

The Fascist label absolutely fits because the libertarian platform favors private corporations without government intervention. Benito Mussolini (the father of neo-fascism) indicated that corporatism and fascism mean the same thing.

I don’t know who Eric Dolan is.

name a politician you consider liberal…

Who are these “easily led” liberals? Dennis Kucinich and Bernie Sanders, the two most representative liberals in congress, are against the wars, absolutely opposed to corporate power in government, and opposed to the Patriot Act. Sanders voted against the bailout twice. Kucinich has been the country’s most outspoken opponent of the current wars. You are completely full of shit. Try as you may, you can not make the facts support your asinine opinion.

because no one would make such a stupid statement knowing all to well that 70+% plus of American’s are totally against it.

More vacuous comments from the braindead I see.

For God’s sake! There is a ton of audio and video of Ron Paul going back decades. Don’t be merely a Demo Party loyalist dupe. Listen to the man. He has been consistent all through his time at plate. Take in the whole picture of what he has been saying all this time… it hasn’t varied much, it’s what you hear when someone speaks truth with consistency. I am DONE with the Democrats, corporation whores. Ron Paul, like him or not, he is the real thing.

And you believe him? He’s a libertarian….Just look at what the newly elected Tea Party (libertarians) have been doing….Now think of how that would be if Paul was elected President….Fascism, here we come. We could end up like Somalia or Mexico under these idiots.

It was either Tweedledee or Tweedledum who said that when he used words they meant what he paid them to mean, neither more nor less.

I agree. He’s a good man, I think he’s pretty honest and well-intentioned but he is wrong on some fundamental issues.

Glenn Greenwald is a fanatical supporter.

Move to Somalia…You should like it there…

I think I’m using a different dictionary moron than you are.

Yah…and how’s that Federalist bullbleep going to work for interstate commerce?

Dream on…

For God’s sake! There is a ton of audio and video of Ron Paul going back decades. Don’t be merely a Demo Party loyalist dupe. Listen to the man. He has been consistent all through his time at plate. Take in the whole picture of what he has been saying all this time… it hasn’t varied much, it’s what you hear when someone speaks truth with consistency. I am DONE with the Democrats, corporation whores. Ron Paul, like him or not, he is the real thing.

Very well said.

If we take the Paul cultists seriously, we’d all go out and slit our wrists because the end is here….

“he’d transition us out” of our homes and into the street. What’s not to like?

Based on history I can answer the “why” question with one word. Greed.

But please enlighten us all o’ wised one.

And the rich don’t need welfare in tax cuts, corporate tax cuts and tax loopholes. If they paid their fair share, there would be no shortage of money for needed social programs. I am assuming you are opposed to seeing your grandmother sitting on the corner dressed in rags and holding a tin cup or eating out of a bin.

Only as smart as those who I read! The key is remembering it and making the appropriate associations.

Are you are so abusive and insulting towards me because you don’t have any facts on your side? But that’s alright. Like FDR welcomed the hatred of bankers, I welcome the hatred of fools. But your invective aside, the two you mentioned are fairly decent people. The problem is that Dennis is on the fringe of the Democratic party, the “party of liberals”, and Bernie isn’t even in it. And most “liberals” believe that Democrats represent their ideological interests. Merely by using the apparatus of the Democratic party, Obama has easily led most liberals into supporting right wing corporatist activities. Just look at the poll numbers. More than 80% of Democrats support Obama still, and if that isn’t proof enough then you are willfully ignorant.

Bernie Sanders. Notice that he isn’t a Democrat.

He just said he wants to “transition” these programs out of existence, which supersedes the mere inference on which your fantasy is based.

You have ears: why don’t you believe them?

No. No more than they will admit Obama’s long form BC is genuine. The after-birthers want to get to the lab and carbon date it now. In fact, studies have shown that when you confront true believers with irrefutable evidence that runs contrary to their worldview, they simply harden their beliefs and compartmentalize the facts.

Note to the author of this article Eric D. Dolan (and to the editor who allowed such a false title to be placed on this article). You are engaging in Yellow Journalism”.

(At the 2:45 mark in this video Ron Paul states “If we made common sense of it I would cut all this militarism and not cut people off from medical care.”

Go to the 3:38 mark in the video and listen to what Ron Paul says about cutting the military (overseas spending) Paul starts with the phrase “You have to start where you are…”

At the 4:35 mark Ron Paul continues by saying “Then take care of the elderly. Don’t put them out on the street. Then you could do that and work a transition.” That doesn’t sound like Paul wants to KILL Medicare and Medicaid to me.

Paul also says that he would transition out of Social Security and Medicare IF I could get “the people to agree” AND the Congress to agree. Notice he said get the people also to agree. You can’t presume that “the people” simply means Congress only. Because that is NOT what he said.

At the 5:29 mark Paul says “I’m just suggesting that the most popular way, political way, even though most Republicans disagree with me, is that I would cut the military and the overseas spending”. Then he goes on to say “then we don’t have to throw anyone out into the street sand we don’t have to get rid of Medicare”.

Now, if you read and understand what Ron Paul just said then you will understand why this headline of this article is WRONG and a PATENT LIE. And that Paul doesn’t want to KILL Medicare.

Words matter. And words have meaning. The “pseudo-journalist” who wrote the headline to this story should know this. Either that or he should choose a new profession because he is definitely unqualified to be in the one he is currently in.

In the context of the situation he did everything he could RESPONSIBLY do.

If he would have just ordered the troops out the countries would have devolved into total chaos and we would have been attacked by element from one or the other and the GOP would have made hay!

Additionally we would have lost the few remaining threads of the banner of world leadership that W spent 8 years shredding along with the Constitution.

Remember he said over and over again. We will get out as responsibly as we irresponsibly went in”

Even though I think Michael Gerson is a dink, he was right when he wrote:

“If Objectivism seems familiar, it is because most people know it under another name: adolescence. Many of us experienced a few unfortunate years of invincible self-involvement, testing moral boundaries and prone to stormy egotism and hero worship. Usually one grows out of it, eventually discovering that the quality of our lives is tied to the benefit of others. Rand’s achievement was to turn a phase into a philosophy, as attractive as an outbreak of acne.”

You’re the one who hasn’t offered a single FACT to support your opinion. I just told you the FACTS about two “liberals” that completely refute your theory. Democrats =/= Liberals.

This guy has the reputation of being honest because “everybody” says he is honest. And “everybody” says that because “everybody” else says so. And so it goes.

I don’t thing anyone has taken a real look.

And everything you say about “liberals” does not apply to Bernie Sanders. You just refuted yourself.

what about Kucinich, Pete DeFazio or Franken?….

In 1950, U.S. Treasury debt was $257.36 Billion. Right now the debt is around 14.25 trillion. That was one of the biggest fallacies i have ever heard. my friend you are living in a fantasy land if you think social security is healthy and solvent.

Reaganomics does not work. And the free market system does work we’ve just never given it a try. There is a huge difference between the “freed market” and the free market. Considering you most likely know nothing of Austrian economics which Dr. Paul believes in i would hope you will educate yourself before claiming it is a false ideology

Yeah–and I stole the strawberries too, Captain Queeg.

Okay I knew it was a TV sci fi show. My bad!

on the contrary paul’s gonna be bigger than ever before

good one bra

Anyway, if the words don’t match your psychotic desires, you can always force the bastards to mean something else.

That’s the manly American way.

And you completely ignore that the overwhelming majority of liberal are Democrats, and overwhelming majority of Democrats support a corporate sock puppet who loves war and hates civil liberties. That is a fact, not my opinion, and you consistently pretend that it doesn’t exist.

So now who is lacking in facts? Become a Libertarian and support Ron Paul. That is the only way for any “liberals” or “conservatives” to maintain intellectual honest.

Why are you here? Surely if you turn away the light of your countenance, these mortals must die.

we are talking about presidential candidates. Liberals usually refer to democrats. Guess who the democrats are gonna nominate… Obama. case and point if kucinich and sanders were running it would be different. Unfortunately they are not

Are foreigners occupying U.S. troops?? The horror!!

Specifically, to Raymond Strand, where did you ever get the idea that Ron Paul’s econmomic theory was “trickle down”? Where did that come from? I mean, for the record, please substantiate your reckless and false comment.

States are more than capable of building and maintaining a system of roads, there is nothing inherently difficult about it that makes it necessary for the Federal government to assume control over it.

“…govt is such a lousy manager of money…”

Yeah, Wall St. banksters are so much more reliable.

also these quotes serve to show that Dr. Paul believes in the Constitution unlike a lot of our most recent presidents who engage in unconstitutional wars as well as a destruction of liberty. In fact that is the hallmark of Ron Paul’s campaign a dedication to the Constitution of the United States of America and Liberty above all else.

You are refuting yourself by being deliberately obtuse. The fact is that most Democrats would describe themselves as “liberal”. I used to.

When I realized that they are actually corporate sock puppet yes-men, I became a Libertarian.

Those superficially “enlightened” positions are sucker bait. They are gems, to paraphrase Chaucer, “enshrined in a hog’s turd” of boilerplate right-wing nonsense.

Irrelevant. You and I both know that those people are on the very outer fringe of the Democratic party. They are ridiculed and called “unserious” by the overwhelming majority of Democrats.

“KILL”?? Strange use of words. Is he tempting us?

READ MY LIPS!!!! NO NEW TEXANS!!!!

The overwhelming majority of democrats are not liberals. Are you calling Kent Conrad, Ben Nelson, Max Baucus, Bill Nelson, etc, “liberals”? If so, then you really don’t know what you’re talking about. If you simply say “democrats,” we may agree. But when you use the term “liberals,” then you are dead fucking wrong.

SERIOUSLY flagging that for review. This is ridiculous. If someone isn’t free to state an opinion and then back it up with fact i don’t want to use this website. CENSORSHIP ANYONE>?

I think it’s perfectly reasonable to cut military spending and end the wars to fund the entitlements and promises past govt. officials have made to people with SS & Medicare.

This is what he’s talking about when says he wants to give young people the option to opt out. He wants to fund SS and Medicare for the people who are dependant on it, but phase it out and shift to a different path where people are able to take care of these things for themselves.

Now come on rubedo33 that’s not so fascist is it?

your just being unreasonable, its not the state that makes the politician! How about a politicians views and opinions!

Notice how someone flagged that post? There are a lot of Corporate Fascist Democrats patrolling these boards it looks like.

I agree. Just crybabies I guess.

Are you kidding me…. why is the headline of this article Ron Paul: End Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid??? …. listen to the video, here is what Ron actually says…. “If we made common sense out of this yes, I would cut all this MILITARISM and NOT cut people off of medical care…” and he then goes on to say .. “take care of the elderly and NOT put them out on the streets…” … then at the end he plainly says “…we DON”T have to throw anybody out in the streets and WE DON”T HAVE TO GET RID OF MEDICARE”… how much simpler do you want it …. but still the headline of the story is Ron Paul: End Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid??? No mention of the main point, which is…. Let’s end the wars…. why not push that idea. By the way, what’s wrong with trying to inform people the whole shit house is about to fall in and … hey … why not try to get out and try something new before it does. Key word “TRANSITION out” … only because it is obviously failing… and still, “transition” .. not cut, end, kill or destroy. As an independent, I understand why the conservatives try to keep Ron Paul quiet, but I am fully confused as to why the liberals distort his message.

The mess is systemic, B C. It’s more than economic, it has to do with an entirely flawed world view that placed greed over need, guns over diplomacy, and mythology over reality. And it isn’t a generational problem-it has more to do with class struggle-sounds Marxist, doesn’t it!

And a hint from an old guy: the young have always had to clean up their elders’ messes, but don’t worry too much because you’ll leave a mess for your grandchildren to clean up as well. We’re no closer to Utopia than we were when we started and in spite of your efforts you’re not going to advance the agenda by a single inch. It’s not that I’m a cynic, it’s that I am observant.

A certain kind of basically conservative (free-market, portfolio-holding) liberal is constantly in a panic over pet issues. These are always an absolute crisis that has to be solved today. Because only the crisis exists, it’s impossible if not immoral to step back and view the really determining currents of social thought and action, such as the progression of class warfare under advanced capitalism and imperialism.

Paul knows this and plays the instrument with cynical virtuosity, as do such slippery followers as Glenn Greenwald–beloved of the Cato Institute–who has used similar tactics to erect himself as a progressive icon.

(At the 2:45 mark in this video Ron Paul states “If we made common sense of it I would cut all this militarism and not cut people off from medical care.”

Go to the 3:38 mark in the video and listen to what Ron Paul says about cutting the military (overseas spending) Paul starts with the phrase “You have to start where you are…”

At the 4:35 mark Ron Paul continues by saying “Then take care of the elderly. Don’t put them out on the street. Then you could do that and work a transition.” That doesn’t sound like Paul wants to KILL Medicare and Medicaid to me.

Paul also says that he would transition out of Social Security and Medicare IF I could get “the people to agree” AND the Congress to agree. Notice he said get the people also to agree. You can’t presume that “the people” simply means Congress only. Because that is NOT what he said.

At the 5:29 mark Paul says “I’m just suggesting that the most popular way, political way, even though most Republicans disagree with me, is that I would cut the military and the overseas spending”. Then he goes on to say “then we don’t have to throw anyone out into the street sand we don’t have to get rid of Medicare”.

Now, if you read and understand what Ron Paul just said then you will understand why this headline of this article is WRONG and a PATENT LIE. And that Paul doesn’t want to KILL Medicare.

Words matter. And words have meaning. The “pseudo-journalist” who wrote the headline to this story should know this. Either that or he should choose a new profession because he is definitely unqualified to be in the one he is currently in.

I am not being obtuse. Liberals are perhaps the only people who do not support the wars, corporatocy, and removal of civil liberties, exactly what you accuse only liberals of doing. Why is the ACLU so vilified by conservatives? Show me something that supports your statement that “most Democrats would consider themselves liberals.”

They are Fascist Democrats who are afraid of the truth. Censorship is their only recourse.

Great read by a liberal blogger.

Ron Paul is far from perfect, but I’ll say this much for the Texas congressman: He has never authorized a drone strike in Pakistan. He has never authorized the killing of dozens of women and children in Yemen. He hasn’t protected torturers from prosecution and he hasn’t overseen the torturous treatment of a 23-year-old young man for the “crime” of revealing the government’s criminal behavior.

Can the same be said for Barack Obama?

Yet, ask a good movement liberal or progressive about the two and you’ll quickly be informed that, yeah, Ron Paul’s good on the war stuff — yawn — but otherwise he’s a no-good right-wing reactionary of the worst order, a guy who’d kick your Aunt Beth off Medicare and force her to turn tricks for blood-pressure meds. By contrast, Obama, war crimes and all, provokes no such visceral distaste. He’s more cosmopolitan, after all — less Texas-y. He’s a Democrat. And gosh, even if he’s made a few mistakes, he means well.

Sure he’s a murderer, in other words, but at least he’s not a Republican!

Put another, even less charitable way: Democratic partisans – liberals – are willing to trade the lives of a couple thousand poor Pakistani tribesman in exchange for a few liberal catnip-filled speeches and NPR tote bags for the underprivileged. The number of party-line progressives who would vote for Ron Paul over Barack Obama wouldn’t be enough to fill Conference Room B at the local Sheraton, with even harshest left-leaning critics of the president, like Rolling Stone‘s Matt Taibbi, saying they’d prefer the mass-murdering sociopath to that kooky Constitution fetishist.

As someone who sees the electoral process as primarily a distraction, something that diverts energy and attention from more effective means of reforming the system, I don’t much care if people don’t vote for Ron Paul. In fact, if you’re going to vote, I’d rather you cast a write-in ballot for Emma Goldman. But! I do have a problem with those who imagine themselves to be liberal-minded citizens of the world casting their vote for Barack Obama and propagating the notion that someone can bomb and/or militarily occupy Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Somalia, Yemen and Libya and still earn more Progressive Points than the guy who would, you know, not do any of that.

Let’s just assume the worst about Paul: that he’s a corporate libertarian in the Reason magazine/Cato Institute mold that would grant Big Business and the financial industry license to do whatever the hell it wants with little in the way of accountability (I call this scenario the “status quo”). Let’s say he dines on Labradoodle puppies while using their blood to scribble notes in the margins of his dog-eared, gold-encrusted copy of Atlas Shrugged.

So. Fucking. What.

Barack Obama isn’t exactly Eugene Debs, after all. Hell, he’s not even Jimmy Carter. The facts are: he’s pushed for the largest military budget in world history, given trillions of dollars to Wall Street in bailouts and near-zero interest loans from the Federal Reserve, protected oil companies like BP from legal liability for environmental damages they cause – from poisoning the Gulf to climate change – and mandated that all Americans purchase the U.S. health insurance industry’s product. You might argue Paul’s a corporatist, but there’s no denying Obama’s one.

They are self-described “liberals” or “progressives”. Now we are just arguing over semantics then. I take them at their word while you don’t.

Yes, the war in Libya is being funded by money that should be in SS. What about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that cost trillions? Is Cheney a liberal?

Libertarianism is Fascism with a joint in its left hand, and the iron fist of oligarchy in its right.

Please read my statement above and re-watch the video. I challenge you to cite where he “finally admitted to his plan to eliminate Medicare and Social Security” as you stated. He simply mentions the obvious that they will eventually not be there UNLESS (the main point), we stop the wars and attempt to repair the monetary system. He actually states more than once that he would not eliminate medicare.

Why are they censoring my comment. Is Eric D. Dolan angry because I said he was an incompetent journalist who deals in yellow journalism?

I think it’s perfectly reasonable to cut military spending and end the wars to fund the entitlements and promises past govt. officials have made to people with SS & Medicare.

This is what he’s talking about when says he wants to give young people the option to opt out. He wants to fund SS and Medicare for the people who are dependant on it, but phase it out and shift to a different path where people are able to take care of these things for themselves.

That is utterly incomprehensible. The Democratic/Republican support of the military industrial complex and the expanding national security state is the very definition of Fascism–on steroids. Are you a sock puppet by the way? The military under Obama has invested heavily in software that let’s operatives control dozens of only profiles in order to influence online discussions. That’s why I have to ask, sorry.

Why are they censoring my comment. Is Eric D. Dolan angry because I said he was an incompetent journalist who deals in yellow journalism?

Why are they censoring my comment. Is Eric D. Dolan angry because I said he was an incompetent journalist who deals in yellow journalism?

That would require thought and work on their part. You’ll probably have a long wait for your answer.

Why are they censoring my comment. Is Eric D. Dolan angry because I said he was an incompetent journalist who deals in yellow journalism?

Bull. Show me Ben Nelson calling himself a liberal.

BECAUSE THEY ARE LIBERALS, you fucking moron!

LOL Now which one of us is being delusional?

Libertarianism is Fascism with a joint in its left hand, and the iron fist of oligarchy on the right.

I have no reason to argue over whether we should take people at their word whether they are “liberal” or not.

But if you want to break down the numbers yourself, by all means have a look:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_ideologies_in_the_United_States

Libertarianism is a Republican in a tied dyed skirt.

Well now we know RP is RIP as Presidential hopeful

I couldn’t think of a better way to describe your teabagging/libertarian ilk, though ‘free-market nutjobs’ works as well.

Speaking of not seeing the forest for the trees…

Why does the Progressive Caucus have its own deficit reduction plan. Why don’t they just go with Obama’s plan? Because they are liberals.

Govt is not a lousy manager except when they give contracts to private enterprise because then, not only does it cost more but the desire and outcome is for profit instead of the People – at the expense of the People.

Care to rewrite that sentence in English?

Your comments are not being censored. They are posting 5 to 7+ times each and the system is marking them as spam. If you don’t see your comment after you post it, just refresh the page and you will see it.

Wow, that’s a truly moronic statement. Ever take a political philosophy class or are you a self taught political theorist via MSNBC? You should look into it or at least buy a book to avoid saying such dumb things in the future.

Do you people even bother to actually listen to it? Let me tell ya one thing: this fucking loser you guys all elected for us in ’08 has done less than nothing so try not to cast too many stones while your messiah sits in his ivory tower mandating torture and starting new wars while escalating old ones. YOU WERE SOLD OUT DUM DUMS! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

http://counterpunch.com/davis04282011.html more here

It’s NOT misleading!!! YOU are misleading!! I watched the video and at exactly 4:45 into it is where he said he would do that. You’re a fncking fool if you think you can mislead people into believing he didn’t say that!
Maybe you should listen to the interview and hear what he said… After a lengthy conversation about doing it, the question was posed: “You would transition completely out of social security and medicare?”

Ron Paul’s answer was: “Yeah, well if I could get the People to agree and congress to agree, that would be my program.”

SEE!!! All you psycho Ronpaulers are willing to follow and fool yourself into believing Ron Paul is sane.

you are being delusional

libertarianism advocates less government control over peoples lives so i don’t understand at all how that makes sense. People need to stop making things up. Truth will always win out not obvious lies.

There are many, many left-wingers whose primary motivation for their left-wing political stance is the very libertarian impulse to protect people who are being pushed around. These left-wingers look at contemporary society and see an economy dominated by mammoth, impersonal corporations with enormous and seemingly unaccountable power; they see lower- and middle-income people disempowered in the workplace and struggling to make ends meet; they see institutions and social practices rigged against blacks, women, gays, immigrants, and other oppressed groups — and they turn to government to redress these inequities, viewing the democratic state as an institution in principle accountable to the public, and thus able to serve as a bulwark against private power and privilege. Call this variety of left-wingers the “antiprivilege Left.”

check out this article http://mises.org/daily/5226/How-to-Reach-the-Left

so instead of using fact to defend ur decision you instead revert to using obscene imagery BRAVO. and that the dollar is at a 16 month low against the euro and an all time low against the swiss franc makes no difference. Or that there is so much fear that bernake had to hold press conference (for the first time in history a fed chairman holding press conference) where he even said he doesn’t know how to slow down inflation… except by spending more money. And lets disregard that the majority of business news networks or economist believe it is the end of the dollar. OR that precious metals have been steadily increasing as the dollar declines. OR that silver is the highest its been in god knows how many years

PSSST ill give you a hint, he has such a following because he represents freedom and liberty the ideals this nation was founded upon. and its interesting that you use the word ‘troll’ since that implies there are errors in our messages. Sad part is we aren’t the ones with errors its you as we’ve pointed out so many times and then you give up on arguing because its so obvious how wrong you are and you cant continue to argue.

Ron Paul’s theories for governance is that the less Governance the better he’s against wealth redistribution through Social programs. He’s for more Governance regarding a woman’s womb. He believes that unrestricted Capitalism and a return to the Gold Standard will produce economic prosperity that will trickle down to everyone else.

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Ron Paul endorses defederalization of the health care system. Paul also states that he has an opposition to virtually all federal interference with the market process,[132] even though he has inserted Congressional earmarks that specifically direct spending into such projects, including the aforementioned projects which appropriated millions of dollars for the renovation of a defunct movie theater and millions in subsidies for the American wild shrimp industry[90] as well as Federal spending to improve shipping in Texas[133] among the many projects for which the Congressman has requested funding.[134][135]

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Now you can pretend that Economic Deregulation isn’t Code for trickle down economics but that’s what it is. The idea that decreasing Government control over the markets increases wealth which trickles down to everyone else, is Trickle Down economics.

This is why I will not vote for Ron Paul. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. RP is correct about ending the Fed and the War on Drugs, but nothing else. Don’t try to convince his cult followers though.

You know what I’ve come to realize more and more, Mr. Katz? People don’t want more control over their lives because that would mean too much responsibility which scares the hell out of a lot of folks. So they are willing to roll over and just take whatever comes down the pike as long as they get to stay somewhat comfortable and complacent. This country lacks the stones to ever do anything remotely close to what the people of Egypt or Tunisia have done. Instead we say “Oh I hate these airport scanners, but if it makes my life easier I guess it’s alright.” “My president of peace didn’t actually mean ‘peace’ but I just hated that John McCain so much so it’s better than that.” We are in decline and the ending won’t be pretty. Call them preemptive strikes or humanitarian interventions or whatever you like, but the bottom line is they are wars of empire and they will be our downfall. I’ll stick with Dr. Paul all day no matter what he does because I truly believe he would end foreign intervention and THAT is the only way to save this country.

please do tell me what he is wrong about? i’m open to discussion and if you can give me sound reasoning maybe you will even persuade me. The problem i find is the reasoning is inevitably illogical

I agree completely. Drop the political labels and actually listen to what “each individual” is saying.

“I am a libertarian liberal”

“I’m a religious atheist”

Blah,blah blah.

The people that tried to talk Smedley Butler into overthrowing FDR. The randers that praise William Hickman. The people that hate libraries. And, by the way, ayn rand collected SS and Medicare up until the day she died of lung cancer. Plus, denying that smoking causes lung cancer.

Do you really wonder why this isn’t happening?

At least half a second.

You have to go to church and ask pat robertson for money to support yourself. That’s why they have “ramps” at churches. So the cripples that shot themselves in their foot for not being for SS and Medicare can wheel themselves into the pews on their own.

We do have a watered down version of socialism, but even so, the tories vowed to “drown it” in a bath tub.

I disagree, we don’t lack the stones we just don’t yet have the impetus. Once food prices & oil prices skyrocket I’m pretty sure we will start to see some real rioting in the streets. Wisconsin will be nothing compared to whats coming

Ha ha ha ha. A, “Modest Proposal”, ver.1.2.

Non sequitur.

Ha ha ha ha…… think I saw both episodes……..can some one pass me the Screaming Yellow Zonkers?

Well, lets see… in the 2010 election cycle, 59% of seniors voted for republicans! That’s pretty good….. i guess, but now these same seniors are besides themselves because republicans are going to kill Medicare and Social Security, LOL, isn’t that beautiful? Seniors were cutting their nose off to spite their face…. how stupid. I wonder how much of the senior, and those soon to be seniors, votes Ron Paul can expect to get….. Ahhhh Republicans……. if you’re not wealthy…. you’re just in the way. Maybe in 2012, seniors will think twice before voting for any republican !

It’s an on going account that just keeps drawing “interest” from from his lunacy. Objectivism, selfishness.

Matthew, if history teaches us anything, it is that truth doesn’t always win out, at least not within the chronological context of specific events. The Gulf of Tonkin incident is a case in point: we now know it was a combination of cluster fuck and manipulation but at the time it was perceived as an attack upon our sovereignty and the casus belli for escalation in Vietnam. That we know the truth now doesn’t alter what happened because we didn’t challenge the lie at the time. Another more recent example is the deceit surrounding our reasons for going to war in Iraq. People are eager to believe in and respond in the approved fashion to the lies their leaders tell them.

Regardless, many people don’t know (including I would trust many libertarians) that there is a strong left-libertarian tradition which verges on anarchism. Noam Chomsky is for our situation the clearest example-he refers to himself as a left-libertarian. Most of the heat breathed upon libertarians is directed toward right-libertarians specifically.

Although it undoubtedly won’t be done, it would be useful for people to agree upon definitions before slamming them about in others’ faces. Terms such as libertarian, liberal, conservative, progressive,e tc, are emotionally-laden, contextually ambiguous, and nigh-on useless for anything more than taunts and insults. It would be helpful to have a mutually agreed-upon lexicon but that will happen the week after the Millennium so…

And i’m going to try this one more time as well since you are not paying attention to your email or my previous response. IF YOU POST THE SAME COMMENT REPEATEDLY, THE SYSTEM (DISQUS) WILL AUTOMATICALLY MARK IT AS SPAM. THIS COMMENT APPEARS AT LEAST 3 TIMES ON THIS THREAD AND THERE ARE 15 MORE COPIES MARKED AS SPAM!

A final note to the author Eric D. Dolan and to the editor who allowed such a fallacious headline to be on the frontpage. You both need to “transition” yourselves into a new line of work. Because obviously you both are not qualified to be journalists.

Notice that I said “transition” yourselves as opposed to “kill” yourselves. That’s because those two words don’t have the same meaning!

You don’t have to go out like in the movie “Psycho” to be done in by a psychopath. They can starve you, not help you when you a re sick, take your clothes so you freeze, remove a roof over your head so you freeze, take r5egulations away so food companies can poison you, etc. Just let the “free market system” unregulated wipe you out.

I have been checking my emails which is why I posted that same response to SEVERAL DIFFERENT PEOPLE ASKING THE SAME QUESTIONS. Now do YOU understand?

Probably a “by law”.

But, you can raise the limit and have more going in:

Research Desk responds: Could raising the income cap save Social Security?

By Dylan Matthews

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/06/research_desk_responds_could_r.html

What do Ron Paul and the Koch brothers have in common? They’re libertarians. So I’m thinking there’s a lot of teabagging koch-suckers trolling this site.

I understand completely. You don’t seen to understand that you can’t post the same exact response 20 times on one thread. The system wont allow it and the moderators wont allow it. I let it post 3 times and if thats not good enough, you can discuss it with the management. You will get the same response.

Pssst…Ron Paul supports liberty and freedom in the same way the Koch brothers support liberty and freedom. No thanks!!

Ron Paul is trying to outlaw oxygen too.

The reason is very subtle but it is pretty heavy. Most people are good, decent, people irregardless of race, religion, etc…it is the type A that seeks political office, or dominance. All the preaching in the universe will not change the nature of the human race, if given a chance you will kill your own neighbor if it will save your son or prevent your wife from dying. The idea that humans will do good without laws or morals is flawed ( it does not matter if you are an atheist or agnostic….morality is always challenged on the personal level ). The problem is not Ron Paul, or any individual…it is the philosophy that man will do right. Some people would say we don’t need Police, or Military, or even certified politicians and I wish that was true !! The only binding thing in the entire world is the societal parameters.

Yup. So far I like Trump’s declaration of war on Saudi Arabia and China better and his statement that he “cherishes” the elderly and absolutely would not accept any reductions in their services or payments. I don’t know if Ron Paul could ever get my vote yet.

But this headline is BLATANTLY and unequivocally misleading as to what Ron Paul said.

Ok thanks for the heads up. I’ll just refer others who post the same question to that previously posted comment if that’s the only work around.

There are other choices besides the obvious….I would think Trump is a good example of not stopping the first cab you see, and Ron Paul is not the only fish in creek.

Beats getting a dollar and lending a dollar old wise ass.

Very good point.

I just say what a lot of other people are thinking.
My point to back it up: 1) If he looks like an asshole; 2) Thinks like an asshole; 3) Raised an asshole; And talks like an asshole, therefore, he is an asshole!
Get those ponts?

I meant mistaken in what they thought he was actually for.

Forgive me. Hitler was such a nice man. I saw him so sweetly pat the face of a young boy in a Hitler Youth Corps film, so…
Justification enough, huh? It’s the quiet talkers who never raise their voices you really have to worry about.
Worse than them are the ones who just smile a lot.
I’m not a nice guy so FUCK YOU ASSHOLE NUT JOB!

I wonder how much ‘mydogsays’, ‘Matthew Katz’ and ‘jcaunter’ get paid to troll and schill for their Koch-loving libertarian poo-bah?

Such desperation… My god, they must get paid, for they certainly didn’t leave themselves any time to do actual work. I’m sure they all have high paying jobs, though, because they would never suck on Uncle Sam’s tit.

Britains nat’l debt is 400% of their GDP.

Why is it that we here in the U.S. need to worry about such things?

How does the Pound remain strong against the Dollar and the Euro?

Why are English Royal weddings televised on every major American television network?

What da fuck is wrong with us? Did we not win the American Revolution?

“…the very libertarian impulse to protect people who are being pushed around.”

LOL!

Like stomping on a woman’s head when she’s been pushed to the curb for attempting to protest at a libertarian rally.

The “NOT WITH MY MONEY!” crowd, GIVING A SHIT ABOUT OTHERS? LOL!

How much do you get paid to write this tripe?

The right wing think tanks are struggling for a new strategy.
Have you noticed that the usual trolls on this site disappeared en mass recently and a new batch has popped up with a different strategy.

I read Ayn Rand’s books in 6th grade. It took me one night thinking through the absurdity of privatized education, infrastructure, police and emergency services to realize it was unfeasible. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out what philosophical garbage objectivism is.

On the other hand, it does take a real moron to believe it.

Actually, Libertarian Socialism preceded Rand’s Objectivism by a long shot. Todays Libertarian Party and think tanks (aside from being just corporate astroturf) appropriated the term.

This is an extreme misrepresentation of Ron Paul’s stance. In fact, the corporate owned media, both the “left” and the “right” halves of it have an extreme interest in misrepresenting Paul’s stances on issues?

Did you even watch the Paul video above? No, right? Open your mind and see that Paul is the most liberal candidate we could possibly have in 2013.

“Just because he named his son after her you think he adores Ayn Rand”

Oh. Is that how I arrived at my conclusion?
Read it and weep, dipshit.

Quoting Ayn Rand on Capitol Hill Is a Paul Family Tradition

By far, though, the person most likely to mention Ayn Rand is Ron Paul, the current libertarian hero and father of the newest Senator from Kentucky, Rand. (That his son and his hero share the same name is just a happy coincidence.) He has invoked Ayn Rand’s name nine times in the span we surveyed: when criticizing the post office, while commemorating the 100th anniversary of her birth, and in an article submitted mentioning her during a tribute to Milton Friedman. And Ron Paul is notably the only member of Congress to actually quote Ayn Rand during this period.
Paul’s favorite occasion to bring up Ayn Rand is when he is talking about the one government spending program he apparently loves: NASA. On at least five different times he’s submitted the same Ayn Rand quote commemorating the Apollo 11 moon landing. Here’s the quote that Paul cited again and again (all words below are his from the records):

July 12, 2006: What philosopher Ayn Rand wrote of the moon landing in 1969 applies to the STS-121 and all of NASA’s missions: “Think of what was required to achieve that mission: think of the unpitying effort; the merciless discipline; the courage; the responsibility of relying on one’s judgment; the days, nights and years of unswerving dedication to a goal; the tension of the unbroken maintenance of a full, clear mental focus; and the honesty. It took the highest, sustained acts of virtue to create in reality what had only been dreamt of for millennia.” I encourage all of my colleagues and all Americans to join me in commending NASA for completing STS-121 mission, and all of NASA’s work.
July 19, 2006: But nevertheless, it just happened that NASA was her favorite government agency, and therefore after the Moon landing in 1979 she wrote very favorably about NASA, which in some ways contradicted her philosophy, but it also spoke to the tremendous brilliance and success of the Moon exploration program.That author that I want to quote is the author of Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand, who wrote this shortly after the Moon landing in 1969. And although this is written in praise of the Moon landing, it applies to all those individuals who participated in STS-121. The quote goes this way: “Think of what was required to achieve that mission: think of the unpitying effort; the merciless discipline; the courage; the responsibility of relying on one’s judgment; the days, nights and years of unswerving dedication to a goal; the tension of the unbroken maintenance of a full, clear mental focus; and the honesty. It took the highest, sustained acts of virtue to create in reality what had only been dreamt of for millennia.”

July 30, 2007: What philosopher Ayn Rand wrote of the moon landing in 1969 applies to all of NASA’s missions: “Think of what was required to achieve that mission: think of the unpitying effort; the merciless discipline; the courage; the responsibility of relying on one’s judgment; the days, nights and years of unswerving dedication to a goal; the tension of the unbroken maintenance of a full, clear mental focus; and the honesty. It took the highest, sustained acts of virtue to create in reality what had only been dreamt of for millennia.” I encourage all of my colleagues and all Americans to join me in commending NASA for 50 years of accomplishments by supporting H.R. 2750.

July 14, 2009: One of my favorite quotes regarding the moon landing was penned by philosopher Ayn Rand in 1969: “Think of what was required to achieve that mission: think of the unpitying effort; the merciless discipline; the courage; the responsibility of relying on one’s judgment; the days, nights and years of unswerving dedication to a goal; the tension of the unbroken maintenance of a full, clear mental focus; and the honesty. It took the highest, sustained acts of virtue to create in reality what had only been dreamt of for millennia.” Rand’s words not only apply to the Apollo 11 mission but to all of the work of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration

July 20, 2009: Mr. Paul. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to cosponsor H. Res. 607, which commemorates the fortieth anniversary of the Apollo 11 moon landing. Apollo 11′s successful mission was certainly “a giant step for mankind,” that should be a source of pride for all Americans. One of my favorite quotes regarding the moon landing was penned by philosopher Ayn Rand in 1969: “Think of what was required to achieve that mission: think of the unpitying effort; the merciless discipline; the courage; the responsibility of relying on one’s judgment; the days, nights and years of unswerving dedication to a goal; the tension of the unbroken maintenance of a full, clear mental focus; and the honesty. It took the highest, sustained acts of virtue to create in reality what had only been dreamt of for millennia.” Rand’s words not only apply to the Apollo 11 mission but to all of the work of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). As a representative of the Gulf Coast of Texas, which is home to many of NASA’s most significant triumphs, I have had the opportunity to meet many NASA employees. I have always been impressed by their professionalism and dedication to their mission.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/atlantic/20110413/pl_atlantic/quotingaynrandcapitolhillpaulfamilytradition36605

You really have proven yourself to be utterly unknowledgeable and biased with that comment. In fact, Ron Paul voted against both of those wars while most of your “liberal” friends in the Democratic party supported them.

For the most part the Republicans are just as psychotic as the Democrats, I admit that–and if you will reread your own comment, you’ll see that that is exactly what you admitted there.

Population control

I appreciate many of Paul’s foreign policy positions however I am uneasy about some aspects of his social agenda.

1) I am not convinced that it is feasible at this time to back our currency with gold and/or silver, especially considering the volatility of the commodities market.

2) I am for a mandatory prohibition of prayer in public schools. I also do not believe it is appropriate for public buildings to display religious art, texts, etc. However, if it is to be legal do you really believe I will be allowed to erect a statue of a tantric deity sitting yab yum in the foyer of the county courthouse? If not my religious rights are being violated. I reject the idea that this a Christian nation per se, in the sense that Great Britain is. Nor do I want regional groups to decide whether or not atheists can serve in public office.

3) I stand in firm opposition to his position on abortion. Although I am bothered by the process on some levels I feel that it ultimately is a woman’s position to choose, especially during the earlier part of the pregnancy. The idea that life legally begins at conception is onerous, and opens the woman up for charges of feticide if she miscarries. Is a zygote alive? Sure. Is it human? Not yet. Is it sentient. No. Outside the uterus would it be viable? No. Next we’ll have the Conception Police under the beds of couples across the land. This plays into the hands of those who believe that sex is solely within the domain of procreation.

4) He holds that there is sanctity to life but he is for capital punishment. These positions are contrary to one another.

5) I furthermore am opposed to his positions on education and climate change.

Gotta go.

Actually, I’ve read Ayn Rand’s work, as well as Max Stirner’s execrable “The Ego and His Own” from which Ayn Rand stole her ideas.

Today’s Libertarian movement and its numerous think tanks, is nothing but corporate funded astroturf (i.e. the Koch brothers and firms like Exxon Mobil) designed to make plutocracy acceptable to naive hipsters by appealing to their anti-authoritarian inclinations.

Want to see a real dupe? Take a look in the mirror.

Now I know you will not believe this, but I am not a Republican nor right winger. I don’t know why I issue such a disclaimer because you have surely already pigeonholed me. I would just like to point out that your post is wrong. You say that their ideas are unpopular, yet they just crushed your side in the most recent elections. How do you square that exactly? As I’ve said before though, I wish a think tank would pay me to lurk around message boards and stir shit up. Sounds like good times and an easy paycheck. Instead I teach 34-37 freshmen for peanuts. Oh and the vast majority are undocumented and ungodly poor. Yet I lean libertarian. How does that fit your stereotype?

Many of these non fact based posts are trying to mislead and fear monger to distract people from looking too closely to the facts that our administration is robbing us blind and the reality of where we are headed. They are twisting and making outright lies to distract people from looking at anyone else except those that they give the stamp of approval. The MSM along with both Republicans and Democrats are bias and will try to discredit anyone who poses as a threat to their interests.

How are having 3 to 4 wars helpful to us? What exactly has the administration done to help the economy and what policies presented have been financially responsible? Why is the administration making cuts to Medicaid and Medicare while at the same time accusing others of what they are themselves doing? You might want to question of who is being honest and what the exact cuts are being made. How is GE not paying taxes or contributing their “fair share” when the administration says we need to raise taxes on the super rich, like GE? Why hasn’t the illegal Alien issue been addressed and why did the administration fight a law that would make e-verify a mandatory requirement when hiring someone?

Why hasn’t there been any outrage from the media or administration about GE (the super rich) not paying their taxes?

The sad truth is that most of our politicians both Democrats and Republicans are on the same side and the two party systems was made to keep us divided and distracted from the real issues and the fact that we are in trouble.

Liberals don’t even understand “liberalism.” Classical liberalism IS libertarianism. John Locke, Adam Smith, Thomas Paine, etc. etc. would all be considered libertarians today. Just as conservatives do not understand “conservatism.” If they did they wouldn’t start wars and expand government. Both sides of this nearly unintelligible debate are freaking clueless.

I am so happy there are a lot of posters here carrying the water for the NEW WORLD ORDER, it would be a nightmare for us in the Illuminati if he were elected. Our corporate subsidies would be gone, we would also go out of business because we would love our access to tax dollars, our wars for profit would end!!

Whatever you do peons, don’t vote for Ron Paul, make sure you vote for our corporate candidates like Hillary or Obama, or Mcsame, you know..like you have a choice. Don’t stop playing our game, its fun.

1. Money was gold/silver for hundreds of years it is only since WWI under Wilson where we turned to a fiat currency backed by a central bank. Using money backed by gold/silver forces the government to reign in spending. That is why the idea is so attractive to me.

2. I do not believe that Ron Paul advocates a Christian Nation. Ron Paul does not believe in mandating prayer in school, instead he believes citizens (students) have the right to pray voluntarily as they so choose. Furthermore he does not even believe that the Federal Government should be involved in education but that the states should be the ones doing it. Since the federal government started taking part in education the cost to educate has gone up and scores have remained relatively static.

3. Im still somewhat undecided on abortion as well. However, as a doctor Ron Paul delivered over 4000 babies, and had to go through the harrowing position of seeing an aborted baby come out still crying and struggling to breathe and then slowly die, so i can see how he can take this position. Ron Paul believes in the right to life in all cases, in war, in capital punishment, and in abortion. HOWEVER regardless of his position on abortion he again does not believe that the federal government should be the one deciding it. He believes states are the ones who should decide. So if he was elected president and every state allowed abortion then he would be okay with it.

4.He is not for capital punishment… so his positions are not contrary to each other. I ask you you are for abortion and most likely against capital punishment aren’t your positions contradictory.

5. Education he believe should be handled by the states and as i said above federal involvement has done little to approve the conditions of education. Climate Change is a touchy subject for me as well. While i do believe it is an issue i do not advocate legislation like cap and trade which monetarily links pollution saying its okay as long as you pay for it. Also there are hundreds of reputable scientists who say climate change is simply part of our earth’s climate cycle so i am divided. CO2 actually causes plants to grow larger and faster so i’m a little confused on why it is such a bad thing. However i believe if we are to deal with climate change it has to become a moral issue not a monetary issue.

Yeah…not all libertarians are objectivists. Not all libertarians are Rand fans either. Atlas Shrugged is a poorly written book and hard to read book. The Fountainhead is better, but she was not one for great style. BUT WOW…you really are smart. Reading Rand in 6th grade and realizing it’s message and implications at that age makes you a true prodigy, sir.

what kind of comment was this? are you trying to pursue stupidity cause you are succeeding. Present facts and argument instead of making ridiculous comments

I do not get paid i am simply a student looking out for my future. I am very blatant in who i am. Matthew Katz is my real name its not like i am hiding it behind some identity. I do not love Koch so now we can see that you are actually the troll because you are stating information that is incorrect in order to provoke a response, which is what a troll does. I have desperation because i do not want to see this country go down the shitter which i believe it will (and i am entitled to that belief).

I would appreciate it if you presented arguments instead of name calling otherwise your posts are worthless

I think your capitalist masters offshored all the trolling jobs to the Philippines (consistent at least with their free market fundamentalism). That’s why their spelling and grammar is so consistently atrocious.

ya know i do believe in some conspiracy theories. And one of them is about something you just mentioned. If you take the time to look you will find out that the military has created fake personas on the internet to influence opinion on sites such as youtube and social media networking. Its pretty messed up

Are you sure Paul isn’t illuminati?

“Never whistle while you’re pissing.”

Hope you get the quote.

Well if you had been reading the news you would notice that there have been many riots in Britain. Also you would know that there was sweeping legislation passed in the british parliament for a five-year austerity plan that was passed. SO unless you want austerity measures in the US thats why i would start worrying.

Sorry for making a hasty judgement. While we will surely never agree much on politics, your Stirner reference was apt. My apologies for being an ass. Now go run and tell your friends on here that we can have a worthy dialogue without hating and we might actually find common ground. I will say that your original crack about libertarians remains ridiculous though. Oligarchy? Really? Unless of course you were engaging in some hyperbole.

I would be very surprised if Ron Paul believed in the New World Order’s agenda since he pretty much is against everything they represent.

Then again we just had a president who turned out a lot different than he campaigned to be *cough* *cough* Obama *Cough*

good thing Ron Paul has been relatively consistent for the last 40 years

great! so it’s my hateful grandchildren that can eat cat food!

hell, current seniors voting against their own best interest for decades have allowed this corrupted, criminal semblance of a democracy to evolve. what narcissism! the disinformation campaign about social security and medicare continues unabated and is really quite effective. just listen to your tee vee and radio tell you that social security is an entitlement program. astoundingly ignorant …

if we remain healthy into old age we can be:

robbed by bankers
robbed by insurance companies
robbed by competitors
robbed by spouses
injured by courts
injured/robbed by corporations
sickened by polluters
a child of dead parents
long-term illnesses in the family

government dependency? what an ass! your words are not your own! its a paid into insurance policy that we choose to pay into because shit happens in life and we’re all in this thing together. only the young who believe in their immortality and that they are smarter than other people or the wealthy who already got theirs buy into the whole libertarian nonsense. it cannot work! period!

i will reply to you, if you can tell me how such a system could begin. eliminating sets of current law? setting a kickoff date?

HAHAHA this is funny. You have nothing left to bitch about except spelling at grammar.

on the outsourcing, that’s the point. Lower demand for labor, land, and capital domestically would allow for greater production of goods and services which the United States has a comparative advantage in. More goods and services means higher real wages.

I know i woulda told them but i didn’t want to upset them

This might be helpful

Who funds the Libertarian Cato Institute?
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Koch_Industries
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Cato_Institute

The Ayn Rand Institute (sorry, they don’t reveal their funding, wonder why?)
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Ayn_Rand_Institute

Mr. Paul has been in and out of Congress since 1976, is he going to give up his government benefits ?

Its not a non sequitor. He is trying to say that Obama did not fulfill many of his campaign pledges or follow what he represented. Logically it would then follow that he sold himself out to what he does now represent… corporate interests especially wall-street with TARP

Exactly my point, did we find out the truth about the golf of tonkin YES did we find out the truth about iraq YES. While the truth might not always win out at the most opportune times, it does come out, like with WikiLeaks. I never said it alters what happens i simply stated it wins out as in it comes out.

haha i would like clear definitions too but it probably won’t happen

You are seriously judging an entire movement by one incident? that is unreasonable and unfair. Obviously i do not condone what happened in that incident and i believe both of the two men should be put in jail. I do advocate the rule of law.

This was written by a Austrian school of economics and i posted it… so i didn’t get paid anything if you want to read about the Mises Institute check it out here http://mises.org/about.aspx hopefully you will keep an open mind and not judge millions of people by two men. I’m sure i could judge you for things to based on two people who hold some of the same beliefs as you, but to do so is pointless and unreasonable as i said

You see there is a small problem with electing Ron Paul president: he’s nuts. But the good news is he wants to get rid of the IRS too. Insanity didn’t stop W Bush so maybe there’s still a chance…

hes also held the same beliefs since 1976 so i would assume so

please tell me how he is nuts. And if you didn’t know the IRS was only instituted in the early 20th century we managed to do just fine without it up until then. He also advocates balancing the budget without using the Fed to loan money and without the income tax as you said. This is not lunacy but the opposite. Would it not benefit the economy and the people if the government did not take a portion of what they rightfully own? How can you be for the income tax that is irrational to me, don’t you feel a right to what you rightfully earned

I know how to read. It is a non sequitur.

When someone comments on person alone, it is a non sequitur to bring in anyone else.

What has Obama to do with the suggestion that Ron Paul has destroyed his own chances for winning the presidency?

Now, if Obama – or anyone else – had made such arguments and still won a presidential election, that would be an argument.

I happen to agree that Obama has done a lousy job – and I fully expected to detest his presidency – but it bears no relation to treebu01′s assertion.

i don’t take part in either of those, if you wanna learn more about libertarianism check out the Mises Institute, a school that Ron Paul endorses.

Also i believe the Ayn Rand Institute is funded through royalties from her books? but idk i could be wrong, also Ms. Rand bequeathed everything she owned to the Institute upon her death. Regardless i am not a follower of Ms. Rand or the Cato Institute so this is pretty irrelevant

I apologize i thought u were saying that partisanblows comment was a non sequitur since you replied to his comment and not to treebuo1 comment, which you had the option to do.

I am for getting a rid of the income tax, if we use a true property tax. Everyone is taxed on the average daily wealth for the year. If you never have more than $100 at a time, that what you are taxed on. Bill gates is taxed on 30 billion dollars each year.

It’s a flat tax, so I am sure you will love it!

You didn’t get the quote.

Ron Paul is consistent, and does truly believe in his version of pure libertarianism as a good for all. The problem is, utopia’s are always false paradise.

Government regulation is the problem. Since going off the gold standard in 1971 we have experienced a series of bubble and bust cycles in the economy and each time the crisis has been dealt with bailouts, more regulations, and loosening of gold standard era constraints. The money supply as measured by M2 had long been just a couple of hundred billion and is now approaching $8 trillion dollars and we supposedly are still suffering from a lack of liquidity!

What the American public needs to be told is that the crisis is actually the market trying to reestablish some rational order in the economy beset by regulation. It is the market that is tearing down these mega financial firms and disposing of the crazy financial products that they created. It is the market that is punishing those who grew rich on paper money schemes, derivatives, sub prime mortgages, and hedge funds. These are the same people the taxpayer is being asked to bail out–Wall Street fat cats.

Economic Deregulation

For years, free market theory of one sort or another has been caricatured as “trickle down economics.” The idea is that we believe that if society protects the wealth of the rich, and let’s them keep more of their money, the blessings will eventually trickle down to the poor and middle class. In some ways, it is not an entirely indefensible view, but of course the phrasing is designed to somehow elucidate the elitist absurdity even before arguments are heard. One thing I’ve learned is that when anyone says your position amounts to trickle-down economics, there’s not much else they are willing to discuss.

But it occurs to me that there might be a way to turn this phrase back on those who push for government intervention, though I’m sure someone else has observed this before. The real theory of trickle down is actually advocated by the interventionists and socialists. They think that if we tax everyone and give money to the government, it will eventually come trickling down to the middle class and the poor. Same with power. If we give more power to the state to regulate and run our lives, this power will trickle down to the rest of us.

But if you want to talk of implausible theories, this is surely it. Government’s power and money doesn’t trickle down. It takes money and pours it into ever more bureaucracy and gives it to the elites. Its power grows and grows at the expense of society. This is the experience of the whole of human history.

(Again from Mises Institute feel free to check it out)

I wonder how much you get paid to go around insulting people who speak the truth. But understand that since you have no facts to back up your government/corporate status quo loving lies, all you can do is insult those who speak the truth.

Having actually studied world ideologies in college, I am perfectly well aware of that fact. I try not to point out to people who ignorant they are as that tends to put them off. The best thing to do is to find what you have in common with those who on the “left” and the “right” have been misled by propaganda, and then try to bring them to the truth.

The Mises Institute is also probably funded by corporate largess (although you can’t find out who funds it. Wonder why?). It also has unfortunate ties to racist organizations and founder Lew Rockwell is famous for his advocacy of using racism to promote his free market ideology. Try again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_von_Mises_Institute#Criticism_from_the_Southern_Poverty_Law_Center

The Mises Institute is also probably funded by corporate largess (although you can’t find out who funds it. Wonder why?). It also has unfortunate ties to racist organizations and founder Lew Rockwell is famous for his advocacy of using racism to promote his free market ideology. Try again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_von_Mises_Institute#Criticism_from_the_Southern_Poverty_Law_Center

What??

I did state that partisanblow’s comment was a non sequitur. A non sequitur to treebu01′s comment.

Might I suggest that you go back and re-read the comments?

Raymond, you’re probably a very nice guy, but you’re weak in this. Your cut-and-paste job from a Democratic/Republican party smear site hopefully doesn’t represent your best thinking. Why don’t you listen to the man himself? Do that and I am sure you will come back with something different to say. Peace and blessings, Mike

What’s the point of cheaper goods and services if no one has a job so they can pay for them? Riddle me that.

Ron’s “Liberty Amendment” H.J.Res. 50 would “abolish income, estate, and gift taxes and prohibiting the United States Government from engaging in business in competition with its citizens.”

Furthermore in dealing with the present system Ron Paul proposed “Properties should be reassessed for tax purposes only when sold or ownership is otherwise transferred. The current system is terrifying for seniors forced to pay more and more each year, with no idea where they will find the money. And unlike other bills, property taxes must be paid or else one’s home can be taken away. My office hears from seniors who may have no choice but to leave Texas altogether because they cannot live with the uncertainty of arbitrary property tax increases. They literally fear losing their homes.

At the federal level, Congress can act now to provide relief to those paying high property taxes. Although property taxes are deductible on your federal tax return, the current rules require taxpayers to itemize to take the deduction. Many people have a hard time paying $2,000 or $3,000 in property taxes, but they don’t have enough other itemized deductions to exceed the standard deduction.

I introduced HR 5860 to address this problem. This legislation creates an “above the line deduction” on the first page of your 1040, meaning you can deduct every penny of your property taxes without itemizing and still enjoy the full value of your standard deduction. Even taxpayers using 1040A or 1040EZ forms can take the deduction. This means average and lower income taxpayers can take the same deduction for their property taxes that high-income taxpayers with complex deductions now enjoy.

Property taxes are only one piece of the puzzle. Overall, most Americans hand over at least 40% of every dollar they make to government at some level. The appetite for your tax dollars — whether at the federal, state, or local level — will continue to grow year after year unless we begin to rethink the proper role for government in our lives. If you think you’ve been squeezed for every last drop of taxes, demand that both your representatives in the statehouse and Washington do something to address spiraling property taxes”.

i got it its from the illuminatus. Do you know what it means ?

Oligarchy, or maybe plutocracy would be more accurate. Once you strip the people of the ability to have a say in the economy through the democratic instrument of government (that means regulations), then there is nothing left but the coercive power of capital.

But, Ron Paul, why kill these ponzi-scheme-programs? You would just bring the fraud to light, and Bernie Madoff doesn’t want anyone to one up him.

small boxes

nope, and since you decided to be very logical of course in your reasoning i will as well. 1) an asshole is a wrinkly hole, Ron Paul is a human being with a body. 2) an asshole does not think so that point is moot 3) he was raised like any other human being so you probably believe all human beings are raised like assholes

I WIN

If he did so I would count 3,2,1 Riot time.

Instead what this full movie. http://WWW.ZeitgeistMovingForward.com and find out what a resource based economy is.

Matt, i gave you something to think about, and you go right into Ayn Paul speak. Think for yourself sometimes, it feels great!

Dear Mr. Loathecraft,
As RobertHe’s agent it is my duty to inform you that his post was meant as humor and was intended, in part, to demonstrate the fawning absurdity with which people such as Mr. Ronald Paul (R-Texas) idolize Ayn Rand. Let me assure you that he holds Ms, Rand’s political philosophy in the lowest possible esteem, finding it it at best the apotheosis of the Me Generation. It was further thought that as you have a reputation for rye and ironic humor you would find pleasure in the remark. That you have taken umbrage has cast a pall upon RobertHe’s evening as it never was his intent to bring you to such a state of irritation. If further satisfaction is required RobertHe is prepared to face you on whichever field of honor you might require so that this affront to your equanimity can be appropriately addressed and corrected.

Acting As His Second, I Am, Humbly,
Yog-Sothoth

My older brother turned me on to it. He was a Libertarian for years (he’s a member of MENSA, but I think he’s mildly autistic and doesn’t have much in the way of empathetic skills). Rand’s books did lead me on to read many works by the great anarchist and libertarian (note the lower case ‘l’) philosophers. From P.J. Proudhon, Kropotkin, Mikhail Bakunin on the left to Max Stirner on the right.

Also he is a person who promotes the status quo for his way it still will collapse. I guess he never heard of technological unemployment or ecological disasters caused by corporations. He is so far off the mark he still don’t get it.

Him, his idiot son, and the rest of the tea bag freaks want a total ‘Lord of the Flies” society.

And he will probably win in 2012. This country is truly doomed.

My concern is that the truth coming out after the fact is no consolation. We found out about the Gulf of Tonkin after 60,000 Americans and 2,000,000 Vietnamese perished. The truth may set us free but it isn’t going to bring back the dead. We still don’t know the real reasons for Iraq but even when and if we do find out it isn’t going to restore the dead to life, nor is it going to return the trillion dollars we wasted to our treasury, nor is it going to restore our national honor. Your statement brings the cold consolation of exonerating a wrongfully executed man. What good is the truth after the lies have caused irreparable damage?

Hell no he won’t.

Even his hero, Ayn Rand, the total hypocrite, applied for and got Medicare when she needed it.

These freaks hate social programs until they need them.

I have watched it and i like the movement, however i believe that is a utopian society that is very very unlikely to happen in the near future

He does not promote the Status quo in any way shape or form he is so utterly far away from the status quo that those who support it are very afraid. please don’t comment without anything to back it up.

what is the point of this comment? you do not back up any of your claims with evidence. Also calling names does nothing. Please mature.

ALSO your picture and username is something he advocates for. He would end the TSA, Homeland Security, and the Patriot act among other things in a split second.

I think for myself plenty and i didnt go in to ayn paul speak i simply first told you a fact about legislation he proposed. Then i copy and pasted his thoughts about the present property tax system.

I am working to raise support for him and change peoples views. My opinions are a lot less important than his in accomplishing those aims.

The mises institute is not funded by corporations at all. They are an Institute as in a School. They do online courses and that is how they are funded. It is like a college or any other private institution. I’m sure every school has unfortunate ties. Harvard, Brown, and Yale all were founded by slave-owning individuals, does that mean they hold no value? I will not try again.

it creates production of goods and services. That means more people are employed in creating goods and providing services.

You obviously failed to understand the arguement

how can you make that judgement with nothing to back it up.

I would also appreciate it if you stop calling people freaks its hateful and does nothing to promote an argument except to vilify someone

You sound like quite an intelligent person. Have a nice life.

The Republicans (including Ron Paul) voted unanimously to renew the Patriot Act January 2011.

Ron Paul stated “The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America…”While this is not out-and-out Dominionism it is a step in that direction. I am deeply concerned by his rhetoric on this matter and am concerned about the potential consequences of the government adopting such a stance. We had a taste of it with Bush II; the bitterness has yet to leave my mouth.

I am not eager for the Federal government to pervade education (I view NCLB as a disaster) and yet there are areas where its involvement has been highly beneficial, such as the Education for All Handicapped Children Act, and the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act. Furthermore, I feel it is appropriate for the Federal government to establish curricular guidelines, especially in cases where state or local policies would be regressive.

As far as late term abortion is concerned, I too am greatly troubled that, except in cases of medical necessity to save the mother, it is ever used. It seems that if a fetus would be viable outside the uterus aborting it would be, at the least, a grotesque act.

As for climate science, best not to get started on that issue. In that there is 97% agreement within the climatology community that anthropogenic global warming is a real and immediate threat I choose to side with the vast majority. Suffice it to say, CO2 is a greenhouse gas: too little and we freeze over, too much and we swelter. This pattern has replicated several times in Earth’s history. Why the consequences would be any different this time around is beyond me.

Ron makes more sense than anyone is used to hearing from a politician and it scares the hell out of them. All these people distorting what he says, a lot of them simply don’t get it. Sort of like as if we were all talking in French and they are hearing it in Japanese….

Mature “this”.

That’s what Libertarian freaks want – a society where everyone is out for themselves and screw everyone else. Except for the almighty corporations. They love the corporations.

Ron Paul, or any other politician, will never end DHS, TSA, Patriot Act, etc, etc…….

Because if they tried, their brains will end up in the same place as JFK’s. On the street.

Thank you, Stephanie.

Ron Paul is a fraud like Obushbama.

Consider me punked.

Those who have nothing to hide have nothing to show.

Ron Paul does not participate in the lucrative pension plan and benefits offered to him in Congress, he feels it is taking from the tax payers and he does not do it. So now what?

You’re delusional.

Be of good cheer. With this crackpot in charge, the end should be swift.

what is the poiNt fo tHis comentyou do not Back Up ne of ur claimz with ntellign Z bSides u do not no Nothing go ronPaul dude

You are an idiot. Don’t you know that millions of senior citizens depend on social security for their daily bread? Have you forgotten that social security is not Uncle Sam’s money but its a share of the earnings by American workers? Equally millions of American seniors depend on Medicare, do you want to condemn them to an earlier grave by denying them healthcare? Or do you just not care because you have your federal insurance program?
Mr Paul think again before you open your stupid yap before you put your big FFFing foot in it.

Liar. He voted against it, as he always does.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-primaries/143605-ron-paul-slams-patriot-act-backers-drown-out-jeers-at-cpac

People repeatedly assert that Ron Paul is honest and believes what he says.

Where’s the evidence? Has anybody investigated this man? He’s a Republican politician, for Christ’s sake.

If you listen to this whole interview he rails against corporations several times. Learn something.

If nuts means you are against invading and occupying countries and giving trillions of dollars to Wall Street then please get me a leader who is nuts.

More people may be employed, but they are abroad for the specific purpose of utilizing the inadequate worker protections of third world countries in order to maximize revenue for an idle class of parasitic shareholders. I know, my job as a graphic designer for a major publishing corporation was just offshored to the Philippines where the workers work long hours for low pay under abusive and slavish conditions in a moldy building that leaks when it rains. Of course, I don’t blame the Philippino workers (their other option is to live in a shack in a shanty-town), but if the corporation had to compensate them adequately and provide a safe, clean work environment, I’d probably still have my job.