Tea Party could cost Republicans in census

By John Byrne
Monday, April 5, 2010 9:00 EST
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Republicans were thrilled when Tea Party-backed Scott Brown won a special election to capture Ted Kennedy’s Senate seat in Massachusetts.

But they’re not quite as thrilled with the Tea Party now. Angst at the government in power may fuel some conservatives to boycott the US census, costing their party coveted seats in Congress for years to come. Republicans could also lose seats in state legislatures if districts are redrawn.

The US population count, done every ten years, determines how House seats are allocated and informs distribution of federal funding.

“Conservative activists this year have argued it is unconstitutional for the census to ask anything beyond the number of people in a household,” the Wall Street Journal‘s Naftali Bendavid wrote Monday. This year’s census form also seeks information on race, gender and age, among other things, and filling it out is required by law. The census has asked similar questions for decades.”

Those who don’t fill out the full form risk a $100 fine and the chance that a Census worker will show up on their doorstep.

Among the states with the lowest census response so far? Conservative states including Texas and Alabama, where about 48 percent and 53 percent have filled out and mailed in forms, Bendavid notes. Massachusetts’ response rate is higher, at 57 percent (though New York is also lower than the national average, at 50 percent).

Nationally, about 56 percent of households have filled out and sent in their forms.

Conservative Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) has said she’ll refuse to fill out anything beyond the number in her household; libertarian Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) voted against a congressional measure urging participation.

The census “has grown far beyond what the framers of our Constitution intended,” Paul said after the House vote.

Questions about ethnicity, income and religious affiliation? “From a constitutional perspective, of course, the answer to each of these questions is: ‘None of your business,’” Paul remarked. “But the bigger question is — why government is so intent on compiling this information in the first place?”

“The census should be nothing more than a headcount,” he added in a recent column.

On the other side are congressional Republicans like Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-NC), who declare the filling out the form is a constitutional imperative.

In a blog posting at RedState.com Apr. 1, McHenry wrote: “What worries me is blatant misinformation coming from otherwise well-meaning conservatives. They are trying to do the right thing, but instead they are helping big government liberals by discouraging fellow conservatives from filling out their census forms.

“Few things make will make Nancy Pelosi happier than large numbers of conservatives failing to respond to the census,” he added. “If we do not respond, we will not be counted and if we are not counted, then we effectively will not exist. That would reduce conservatives’ power in elections, allow Democrats to draw more favorable congressional boundaries and help put more tax-hiking politicians in office.”

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  • OldAtlantic

    The problem is not enough questions. Whites should get to fill in their specific ethnicity such as English, German, and Scottish. Founding Stock Americans need to be counted so we can see the impact of race replacement immigration.

  • ed01

    I'm for Bachman losing her seat, servers her right if the people in her district refuse to fill out the form. No people in her district no need to keep her job.

  • proudliberal1947

    Here you go fill out the form to your own king then mail it in DUH! Did you comply yes to you answer to the best of your ability YES, can they say anything lets find out.

    i would research and find out what RIGHT WING SOCIAL CORPORATION is behind all the additional questions this is about Corporations not the COUNTRY or the PEOPLE, on this one the GOVERNMENT is getting a bad rap. Who BEBEFITS from all this Information CORPORATIONS, who has front door access to the American SELLOUT Party on the RIGHT who is protecting the vested Interest of the SOCIALIST CORPORATIONS the RIGHT yes their isn't a SOCIALIST CORPORATION the republiCANT Party would NOT sellout to.

    So folks as much as I dispise the Census I'll participate because I know that the NEW voting Lines will be drawn and the RACIST NAZI White SUPREMACIST republiCANT Party is going to be drawn out of the picture what a GREAT day for America

    One final note the Brain Dead right and the Ignorant teabaggers do not understand if they do not fill it out they lose their representaion for the area that DO NOT participate hahahahaha!1 Go you Morons on the right as usual you only put out a half truth and a hot button topic you poor Brain Dead Idiots.

  • Mark

    Hey, the Teatards want smaller gov't and less gov't involvement. Wish fulfilled! Now they'll have to use their Libertarian methods to build bridges, dig ditches, get rid of municipal waste, etc. This will be good for them because it means they'll actually have jobs now!

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/6EX2KJ7LSZMDCBZWCH62Q7CABY Sandra

    Just like we do in my state. Fed not needed.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/6EX2KJ7LSZMDCBZWCH62Q7CABY Sandra

    How do they know their conservative or liberal slant by the census? Did anyone see any questions? Then the reasoning of answering the questions is moot.

    The census is only supposed to be a head count.
    What they really want to know is your race for redistricting purposes.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/CTGKYFNDGU6KJEHQNNPXA64ZZI Pj

    Interesting that you omitted the Irish. Whatsamatter, not “founding stock” enough for you? And, since we're talking “founding stock” you really can't omit African-Americans, as they were also here from the very earliest days, and did do a whole lot of the actual building part — the carpentry, bricklaying, masonry, etc — of building this country.

    Maybe there should just be a box labeled “xenophobe” to cover folks like yourself.

  • panamarick

    Hopefully it's way to late for that little prick McHenry to save these teabaggers from themselves. Sewing derision for his opposition is what McHenry takes great pride in. I think it would be very fitting if he felt the white hot scorn of his contemporary's, because his years of dirty tricks, lies and and as this may bare out foolishness failed miserably.

    There are few mortal sins in Republican-land. One is getting caught. Another is admitting guilt, but the deadliest one of all is failure to always win at any cost to the country or your fellow man.

    It is claimed that a guy back in AD 53 or 54 once said “Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out” I think when the really ugly right-wing poisons begin to make themselves known they might have to declare the entire party a toxic wasteland and isolate it for the good of the country if not the world.

  • scortchdearth

    I put down my race as “Celt”…we don't want to be lumped in with the rest of you “white” people…

  • dennycrane

    That's why we “love” them. Keep up the good work, tories.

  • dennycrane

    Those you mentioned also have African DNA.

  • scortchdearth

    I'm not sure…errr….
    …are you saying that…uh…

    …is this English?…

  • douvie

    Try racist.

  • dennycrane

    Why would we want to take part with something Thomas Jefferson put together? Crazy tories, been fighting with them for over three hundred years.

  • dennycrane

    Or just put a “box” out side of the box for “out side of the box” thinking.

  • Anonymous

    Full of Shit Aryans?

  • Veronica

    I filled out the census and I don't recall being asked about my religion or my income. I thought the questions were pretty benign and boring. But, eh, I could be wrong.

  • spinnikerca

    Ron Paul never said people shouldn't send it in, he just wasn't going to put a stamp of approval on a process he thought intrusive.

    They should only have a head count. That said, I'm sending mine in, anyway. Ron Paul in his Texas Straight Talk piece which he wrote BECAUSE so many were concerned about the Senate, pointed out the fines you could be hit with if you don't send it in. I think it is wrong of the govt to ask more than they need (and what PROPER purpose could they have to ask my race?) However, it isn't worth breaking the law to me to not send it in.

  • rainbowz

    “Founding Stock Americans?”

    By that, you mean the descendants of slaves, right? You know, those folks who were brought here to dig and plow and plant and harvest and build and mine and on and on — for no money?

  • Monkey_Boy1

    That sounds like a really stupid idea. Where's the box for Scots-Irish-German-English-Dutch-Alsatian-French-American?

  • OldAtlantic

    You can mark multiple. Or different people can mark the one they identify with most.

  • OldAtlantic

    No. Those who signed the DofI and Constitution and their co-ethnics.

  • OldAtlantic

    Africans did not found this country. Blacks say all the time that the laws didn't include them at the time of the founding. Blacks make it clear they don't identify themselves with whites in the founding of America.

  • OldAtlantic

    Scots Irish were here early. But the Catholic Irish came later.

  • OldAtlantic

    How about Dutch treat?

  • OldAtlantic

    Libs think FSA = racist. Thanks for reminding us.

  • lm945

    The only “Founding Stock Americans” are Native Americans. You know. American Indians.

    This country was founded through “race replacement immigration.”

  • The Count

    They didn't ask me about my income – which they already know from my tax filings – or my religious beliefs either.
    Maybe they send out a different form to people who are batshit crazy.

  • Anonymous

    As I recall, they didn’t include women either. Which means that the “Founding Stock Americans” were either hatched or crawled out from under a rock.

  • rainbowz

    Oh, so by “founder” you don't mean the native people who were already here?

  • faboofour

    Not just “Libs”, but anyone with an IQ with more than two digits. “Founding Stock Americans”? What possible motive would anyone have to create such a designation if not to define some sort of bizarre ethnocentric eliteism? Sick.

  • OldAtlantic

    They didn't found America because they didn't write or sign the founding documents.

  • OldAtlantic

    The Lost Colony came in peace and were abducted as slaves, a common practice at the time. The phrase Native American should mean the same as FSA. The Indians had no such concept nor was that used to describe them until the age of PC.

  • OldAtlantic

    The motive is to identify the group who actually founded this country in its founding documents.

  • kimbutgar

    I must have got a different census form because it did not ask for my religious preference or income. Seems like someone is making things up!

  • kimbutgar

    I must have got a different census form because it did not ask for my religious preference or income. Seems like someone is making things up!

  • Colpow

    My form was pretty bland, too. No names or religion, yearly income or anything, except
    how many people live in your house and what are there ages.

  • mindboggeling

    Mine didn't ask that stuff either! Maybe only the republicans are being asked those questions[lol]! Be afraid repubs, be very afraid! lo,lol!

  • roman

    yes that is totally correct you racist. Only white people should be able to rape america.

    Ignorant fool

  • Kazr

    Founding Stock Americans? That is the most inventive piece of twisted logic to cloak ethnocentric elitism and naked nativist bias I've seen. We'll outside of the right wing skinheads and the Aryan brotherhood. Let's go further and remember to include that the “founding fathers” also excluded women and non-property owners.

  • rainbowz

    No one “found” America. It wasn't lost.

  • Anonymous

    Even if you were right, which you aren’t, so what? That was 200-some years ago. Not relevant today.

  • rainbowz
  • Anonymous

    No, the Founders only ripped off the Iroquois Confederation forms of governance per Benjamin Franklin, not that that matters to you and your friends down at the Klavern….

  • rainbowz

    Right. That's what “they” all say. Even those Blacks who are of mixed heritage. So glad you know what all Black people say and do. No need to ask them or anyone else for that matter since you seem to have all of the answers.

  • wyrdless

    The person who wrote this article is a liberal and doesn't know what the conservatives are saying about the census.

    There is no conservative call to boycott the census. In fact the author of this article couldn't come up with any quotes from anyone indicating that the tea party shouldn't fill out the enumeration part of the census. You know … the only part of the census that is actually mandated by the highest law in the land.

    The idea that the tea party will 'write themselves out' is just somebodies wet dream

    Anyway, is your post about corporatism? It was kind of hard to understand.

    Tea party is about rebelling against the country club republicans and their holy roller allies people. Most tea partiers don't like corporatism either FYI

    I know that is probably a shocking concept to a lot of people reading this, but believe me, I am actually a tea party member. (PS i don't like Glen beck or Sarah Palin)

  • TaterSalad

    Don't bet on it moron:

    http://www.TeaPartyRevolution.com

    Please give us your opinions about saving this country from Marxists who are in power and destroying our capitalist free market system as we speak.

  • Anonymous

    The motive is to try and make some sense out of a small, inconsequential life full of hate and despair. It is quite apparent that this soul is going to need a lot more than identifying with a non-existent group.

  • lm945

    Native American does NOT mean Founding Stock Americans.

    Native Americans are called Native Americans because they are Native Americans. They are the only TRUE Native Americans. They were here first.

    It was your precious “Founding Stock Americans” who raped and pillaged and burned and massacred the true Native Americans.

    It was your precious “Founding Stock Americans” who were the original “race replacement immigrants.”

    If you believe only the original “race” residents of America should live in America, then by your own “logic,” anyone who isn't 100% Native American should immediately pack up and leave.

  • damixaustex

    The census does not ask anything about conservative or whatever. This is a non issue, unless what he means by conservative is “white.”

  • John Brown

    Europe was a never ending source of slaves (from the Slavic countries) and other barbaric white stock for civilized entities such as Greece, Rome, Egypt and other great Civilisations. Rome rested on non-African slave power. The Barbary States and Turkey raided the coasts of what we deem as Europe for “strong backs” to power their galleys.More to the point,would you have wanted to be a whitey, male or female, in 1805 self-emancipated San Domingo now deemed Haiti. Many soiled undercloths in our slave states until the War of the Rebellion. Reconstructionists like Seward were too Christian. Forced racial inter-marriages would have quickly tamped down Klan, Teabuggers and the rest of the paleskins.

  • proudliberal1947

    thanks for the reply and I understand what you are saying however that doesnot excuse the Fear and Hate Mongering right from clarifying and correcting the record. You writer are in the same boat as the christian right you talk collectively then when the hell fire and brimstone burn you, you try to distance yourself from the Idiots and Morons making the noise.

    One other point of clarification you have the Alaskan DingBat, you have the BrainDead Moron from Miinesota who wouldn't even know how to breath if it wasn't a involuntary function, then their is a piece of Garbagge called de mint this Racist Nazi hasn't met a American yet who he wouldn't take pride in making their lives miserable, shall I go on with the Fear and Hate Mongers Lyl, sessions, mcconnell who had his wife hired by Faux noise so he can futher the agenda of the Right wing Racist nazi agenda of White Supremacy.

    tea baggers are Ignorant and Stupis and given a 8 hour block of instruction would still be as stupid as at the time they started, people that vote against their OWN best interest with out understanding what they are saying deserve all the criticism I offfer that Jackass doctor from Florida DUH a tea bagger republiCANT without a clue other then TLKING points and he proved himself a MORON.

    please do not forget the assinine Pundints that are threating to shot census takers oh yeah the tea baggers don't represent you and your point of view, one last thing off topic check out crooks and Liars Thom Hartmann piece of the Idiot tea baggers and their reaction when presented Truth and Reality by Mr. Winkleman. Have a great day

  • proudliberal1947

    So your Celt. then you know what GOWK means as far as the reference to the Racist Nazi White Supremacist republiCANT party of Hate and Fear means.

    If you want to know it is gaelic (pronounced garlic in Scottish), yup the right has got to hate educated multi language people hahahaha that why they embrace the Ignorant tea baggers hahahaha

  • Mark

    Teatards: Shoot Own Foot First, Wonder Who Shot it Later.

  • scortchdearth

    I prefer the word mook…

  • yaright

    HIP HIP HURRAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    FINALLY SOME GOOD FROM THESE NUTTERS.

  • scortchdearth

    They have a short form and a long form, and it's supposedly random who gets which one. The short form is not invasive at all, and takes very little time to fill out…although some of us see no point to being asked our “race”.

    The long form (from what I've heard) is very invasive, and if I had gotten it, I wouldn't answer many of the questions on it either…such as whether or not you own guns, if you have a mortgage, etc.

    The constitution does not give them the power to be that intrusive, it simply gives them the power to count heads.

  • yaright

    well well well this one woke up the old racist, didn't it. nothing like a solid teatard issue like the census and government control, mixed up with a little founding father bs and spiced up with a kkk mustard to bring out some good old fashioned neanderthal logic.

    well done oldfucklantic. you are so screwed up all we can do is sit back and laugh at you.

  • yaright

    well well well this one woke up the old racist, didn't it. nothing like a solid teatard issue like the census and government control, mixed up with a little founding father bs and spiced up with a kkk mustard to bring out some good old fashioned neanderthal logic.

    well done oldfucklantic. you are so screwed up all we can do is sit back and laugh at you.

  • kwertie

    ==> “What worries me is blatant misinformation coming from otherwise well-meaning conservatives.”

    Pretty funny. First, there are no well-meaning conservatives. Second, all conservatives ever do is lie.

  • ash

    I hope they do lose seats. One way to prevent the return of McCarthyism.

  • proudliberal1947

    Mook? hey no fair your trying to confuse a good Scots man FYI, GOWK means cuckoo in Gaelic. enjoyed it though.

  • blip

    They already are over-represented in the senate.

  • Pennsylvanianne

    There's the short form, which is pretty brief and which most households receive. Then a certain small percentage of households receive the long form, which asks hundreds of questions so the Census Bureau can extrapolate statistics about Americans from that small percentage.

  • ellid

    Oddly enough, the latest issue of American Heritage addresses this very question and concludes that, based on the most current archaeological, historical, and ethnographic information, the colonists at Roanoke VOLUNTARILY intermarried with friendly local tribes and lived peacefully with them for several decades before being wiped out, along with the rest of the tribe, in inter-tribal warfare. Slavery had zip to do with it.

    Idiot.

  • The Count

    Sounds kind of like the “long form birth certificate” theory to me.
    Here is the form you are talking about.
    It's called “The American Community Survey.”
    10% of the population will receive it, and it is a bit more lengthy, but I didn't notice anything particularly nefarious in it, and there was nothing about religion or guns in it.
    Most – if not all – of the information they ask for regarding income, assets, employment, and education is already in the possession of various government agencies, so if you're worried about them finding you out, you're a little late on that one.
    (Many of those agencies fall under the jurisdiction of state, county, or city authority, and one would assume that is why the federal government is posing these questions here when attempting to map national demographics.)
    It also seems pretty clear – to me, at least – that they are asking these questions to assess the need for funding various assistance programs, not to round you up & put you in a concentration camp.
    Check it out for yourself, though:

    http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Downloads/ACS-1%2…

    http://2010.census.gov/partners/pdf/langfiles/2…

  • Northwestwoods

    Questions about religion are not found on the 2010 census form. There are no questions about income.
    Doesn't Ron Paul know better? Here is the form:

    http://2010.census.gov/2010census/how/interacti…

    Maybe Ron Paul should read it and, while he's at it, read the US Constitution. Most that claim that they have read and understood it have not and do not.

  • kasinca

    There is a reason that Barry Goldwater and William F. Buckley fought to keep this trailer trash out of the GOP.

  • donrus

    Wrong! There are many “conservatives” (brain-dead zombies) like Eric Ericson (now of CNN) who said he would threaten census gatherers with his wife's shotgun. You are intitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.

  • kasinca

    That must be the form that Michelle Bachmann sent out or maybe Glenda Beck. They were trying to upset the people in dumfukistan. Mine asked how many people lived in my house and who would be there on April 1, 2010 and what is my race.

  • lm945

    The racial question is not about redistricting. Never has been.

    This is NOT a new question. The federal government has been asking about people's ethnic background since the first census in 1790.

    Don't believe me? Ask anyone who's into genealogy. It's where we get a lot of our information.

  • lm945

    The government has been asking the racial/ethnic background question for 220 years.

    It wasn't a problem before. Why is it suddenly a problem now?

  • teed off

    i wanted to fill it out but tea bagger was not on the list of political affiliations.

  • Northwestwoods

    Wikipedia-The Census Bureau website states it will no longer use a long form for the 2010 Census.[4] In several previous censuses, one in six households received this long form, which asked for detailed social and economic information. The 2010 Census will use only a short form asking ten basic questions, including name, sex, age, date of birth, race, and homeownership status.

  • AnzaSummer

    Good. Let them not answer. We'll redistrict without them and we can use the fines to help pay for the census. These people are just soooo willfully ignorant they are a national embarassment.

  • ron

    lol what an idiot

  • wyrdless

    Just cause a few fringe people do something doesn't mean the vast majority
    don't think something else.

    The Census is a constitutional imperative. That's what Ron Paul said in the
    article.

    Your use of ad Hom. attacks and bad spelling don't make your point, they
    simply add to the anger.

  • wyrdless

    Wow dude what is this:
    You writer are in the same boat as the christian right you talk collectively
    then when the hell fire and brimstone burn you,

    That is horrible. Really that was in your first paragraph and the rest of
    your post was just as whack.
    You got to do some editing. Maybe try reading it before you post to see if
    it makes sense.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry wyrdless, I wrote just the way the Hate and Fear Mongering republiCants come off I am trying to give back to them the same assinine way they talk. Oh so it bothers people when one uses the rights tactics of speaking collectively then trying to use individual deniability.. You know what the Constitution say and so do I, I am trying to point out how the brain Dead backman, de mint sessions aand the DRUG ADDICT limpbaugh are pushing a hate filled agenda these MORONS on the right are so Stupid you personally can lead them around by the nose and they will not question it. As I recommended earlier, go to crooks and liars and view the Thom Hartmann clip on what Mr. Winkleman yes he called the teabaggers bluff and they spit on him and he was offering them what they were protesting.

  • TaterSalad

    Seems that the liberals are the biggest hypocrits as ever and now are just plain lying!

    http://therealrevo.com/blog/?p=24517

    They are almost to the point of being laughed right out of the country.

  • TaterSalad

    Here is yet another moron that the liberals such as dennyw, big al and the rest of the morons look up to. Seems their bar of morals is set pretty low: Prince Harry Reid is telling us that taxes are voluntary. This what the liberals look up to as their great leader.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6q0slMhDw8&feat…

  • scortchdearth

    I was going by what I was told by someone who claimed he had received the long form…I'm glad to hear they don't ask about gun ownership, but still I had no trouble believing they would.

    As for the rest, if they already have access to the info, then why bother to ask?

  • http://bigdanblogger.blogspot.com/ Big Dan

    I thought that, when Michele Bachmann was telling her district not to fill out the census. I thought, isn't she going to have less people then? Don't you want MORE people?

  • rufinator

    Don't count them and they won't count.

  • rufinator

    Don't count them and theywon't count

  • fazsha

    I agree with Ron Paul in principle, but I got the short form too, so it's no big deal.

  • rufinator

    Why do my comments disapeare?

  • rufinator

    Sorry folks. I'm new to this. I got it now.

  • rufinator

    Just remember..all they know is what you tell them. Not that you should lie or anyting.

  • Anonymous

    Top of the day mate. love your accent, No need for me to comment, I am enjoying your post to much–Peace

  • Anonymous

    Correct me if I am wrong if you have knowledge on the subject. This land was and is referred to as Turtle Island, genocidal invaders renamed the land while murdering its inhabitants, the invaders were actually kicked out of england as they were considered to barbaric to be in england, it was against english law for these people put out of england to own slaves as they were considered to barbaric to own slaves. Are these the people that “founding stock americans” are refering too? ( I bet they hate the human genome project or that little thing called DNA )

  • Anonymous

    I did not read far enough before my post, in truth there has never been a person in american Govt. that was not African, or on the planet for that matter. African’s are just as varied in physical appearance as the markings on butterflies, articulated giraffe’ or the difference’ of snowflakes, all beautiful. Unfortunately for the planet human variation seems to also cover intelligence. I think that a human has to be taught to be stupid, by a parent with no intelligence, fortunately for the planet those are a small minority-very small-and if not for the web we would not even know of idiot ideology, thank u for pointing out that DNA thing, I wonder if they can spell DNA, let alone the Human Genome Project.

  • Anonymous

    Fair enough you don’t like the establishment republicans (or republicants
    whatever), neither do I so we agree on that

    Believe me I am a Ron Paul republican, I hate war, Bailouts, Glenn beck and
    religious conservatives. maybe even a little more than you, since these
    a-holes are making me look bad as well as messing up the country (which
    effects us both) you at least get to wax ecstatic about how they suck, when
    I have to convince people in my own group that they suck in a gentle way.

    I’m really writing this because the Tea party really is anti-Republican
    establishment. And I know there are a bunch of morons out there but really
    most tea party people are just concerned about the bankruptcy of America,
    which is slowly crushing America like a glacier.

    I just want the angry pissed off people on Rawstory to realize that we
    should all be fighting the establishment and not each other.
    The Tea party and the Left have a LOT of middle ground and we should be
    working together.

    Also, I have learned as an angry guy libertarian that the angry language
    doesn’t work and I hope you don’t make the same mistake as me in that
    regard. I now try to use the language of the left (ie how reduced sales tax
    helps the poor instead of the government is wasteful lets cut taxes). This
    is because everyone on your side likes angry rhetoric but if you want to
    convince someone else, you need to make it fun and inviting

    I will check out crooks and liars thanks for the suggestion.

  • Anonymous

    Stupid yes, extremely uneducated. The very first holiday the Americans had was the “Christopher Attucks, Day” (Chrispus Attucks). This Man was the very first colonist shot dead by the British. This occurrence was on March 5, 1770 in Boston as he was throwing snowballs at soldiers of the British 29th regiment. This man was a sailer that that worked on whaling ships for over 5 years. He was a colonist that paid taxes to the British Govt. He was a black man just as thousands were that fought the British Govt. It’s ashame that some parents has taught their children to be stupid by teaching them racism, as it not only makes them stupid but extremely unhappy, and they cannot figure out that it is not the people that they hate that makes their lives unhappy, but that it was their parents that made them unhappy by teaching them to hate people for no reason, from an early age.

  • Karl

    Wyrdless-

    Im with you on many points, my political preference notwithstanding.

    “And I know there are a bunch of morons out there but really
    most tea party people are just concerned about the bankruptcy of America,
    which is slowly crushing America like a glacier.

    I’m thinking (based on my limited knowledge) that the explosion of the Tea Party members was a result of this administration taking power. i.e. Tea Party started as Anti Obama Govt, and has evolved (or devolved ) into something else ..

    I am not trying to start a war here, but I have to ask, where were all the protesters when the (R)s were increasing the deficit? I heard alot of things, some sane, some totally insane, but the main message was, if your not with us your unAmerican and not a patriot.

    I’m not trying to lump you in with those folks, just asking a (hopefully) simple question.

    Thanks
    Karl

  • Karl

    Wyrdless-

    Im with you on many points, my political preference notwithstanding.

    “And I know there are a bunch of morons out there but really
    most tea party people are just concerned about the bankruptcy of America,
    which is slowly crushing America like a glacier.

    I’m thinking (based on my limited knowledge) that the explosion of the Tea Party members was a result of this administration taking power. i.e. Tea Party started as Anti Obama Govt, and has evolved (or devolved ) into something else ..

    I am not trying to start a war here, but I have to ask, where were all the protesters when the (R)s were increasing the deficit? I heard alot of things, some sane, some totally insane, but the main message was, if your not with us your unAmerican and not a patriot.

    I’m not trying to lump you in with those folks, just asking a (hopefully) simple question.

    Thanks
    Karl

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for seeing threw the BS I throw out there, we need effective constructive dialogue which we can not have until we can get their attention.

    Thanks again

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for seeing threw the BS I throw out there, we need effective constructive dialogue which we can not have until we can get their attention.

    Thanks again

  • mnzr

    Let these nuts skip the census. They wield way too much power in relation to their numbers already.

  • mnzr

    Let these nuts skip the census. They wield way too much power in relation to their numbers already.

  • Anonymous

    Believe me I was pissed with a lot of so-called-conservatives when they
    didn’t oppose the massive Bush Deficits. That’s when Ron Paul became really
    popular, a lot of people don’t want unlimited war and spending.

    After Ron Paul did not win the presidency, the organizations built during
    that time stayed in existence, the deficit message spread to the grass roots
    and then people started protesting in a different way, the tea parties.

    The Tea Parties attract a lot more people than Ron Paul because he was
    strictly anti-war and had some funky opinions which didn’t play well in the
    body politic. However now the tea party struggles to remain a deficit hawk
    organization.

    The whole situation has devolved, with people leveling ridiculous claims at
    Obama, for example Glenn Beck and his Birther nonsense and Sarah Palin
    somehow gaining prominence. I think the two of them are part of the
    establishments attempt to reign in any real calls for reform.

    Wait till the elections roll around! I think you will be amazed at how many
    tea party candidates come out and run for office. Also, hundreds of people
    are training to run for local elections in 2012. the goal is to take over
    the republican party.

  • A J Foyt

    Any bad news for the wingnuts is good news for america.

  • scortchdearth

    The only thing mandated by the constitution is to count how many citizens there are in each district. Really, the only questions you should constitutionally be required to ask, or answer, are “how many of you are in your household?”, and “are they all citizens?”.

  • Ralph

    Stupid is as stupid does!

  • scortchdearth

    All right, I just printed out the long form…no questions about gun ownership, they do want to know your educational level, your birthplace, your income level, if you work for the government, what kind of house you live in, how many bedrooms, what is your heating fuel, is there a business on the property, what kind of plumbing you have, if you've sold agricultural products from the property, and if so, how much did you make, when was your building built, your monthly cost of electricity, water & sewer, etc., how much your fire and/or flood insurance is, if the property is mortgaged & what the payments are, your property taxes, your level of education, if you speak English, if you have health insurance, if you have a disability, how much you walk or drive, and variations on the above questions…for everyone living on the premises.

    Neither the long form or the short form ask if you happen to be a citizen, so if you have someone visiting from abroad, I guess you just include them too.

  • Karl

    Would you mind linking to a copy of the long form? Ive asked dozens of folks and no one has ever seen anything but the mundane short form.

    I know some folks are worried that the boogeyman is out to get them, but really folks. This is not the 1st nor the last census ever to take place, It would seem, based on many reports that the (R)s will be doing themselves and potentially their constituents a disservice.

    Take that as you may.

  • The Count

    Which would be cheaper and less time consuming?
    Contacting individuals directly for a response, or contacting dozens of city, county, state, and federal agencies for replies regarding hundreds of thousands of people?

  • Pennsylvanianne

    More information on the long form, known now and in the future as the American Community Survey, is available at http://www.census.gov/acs/www/index.html. It gives some sample questions but not the entire form. In the past, our family received what used to be known as the long form, so I can say I have seen it and filled it out. It gives the government an idea of where to focus aid and programs and yes, by not filling it out, Republicans will definitely be doing themselves and their constituents a disservice and who knows? possibly themselves out of a Congressional seat.

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