how is Vonn the “speed queen” if she lost? More one-sided american media reporting. Face it america, you’re not exceptional at all. Just losers when your media said you were winners. They lied to you. go figure

Slovenia’s Tina Maze was a surprise silver medallist with Vonn relegated to third

It’s all part of the plan.

The fact that anybody gives a shit about someone else’s sex life is just incredible.

ok i don’t like mccain ok, john mcCain was born on milatary base which means that is usa territory and about his family both his father and grandfather were 4 star admirals in the united states navy need i say more .

and the doctor must be white…right OA?…everybody else…i don’t believe OA…he is just trying to jerk your chains…he is like Colbert…

Sarah Palin born in Canada? I say that’s where this conversation needs to go. We don’t need proof, just doubt to cast a guilty sentence.

Errr, how did shrub get his phoney drivers license after his DUI’s?

==> need i say more

You are free to STFU.

He should. He’s smarter than her.

LIKE THIS AZZHOLE
.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BarackObamaCertificationOfLiveBirthHawaii.jpg

HORSE
SH!T
MINE DOESN’T
.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BarackObamaCertificationOfLiveBirthHawaii.jpg

Did you speak to theme personally ??

I think your crystal ball is a little foggy, FortuneTeller. What you say will never come to pass. Schwarzenegger is less popular politically than you think he is. Besides, the GOP would have a really hard time trying to change the Constitution for an immigrant (though AS was legal) when they are so vocally (and in some cases violently) opposed to “illegal immigrants.”

OK:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BarackObamaCertificationOfLiveBirthHawaii.jpg

I put it up above, also…

Yeah but the guys who said that in Hawaii were Republicans

Nonsense. Nobody has to present a birth certificate to get a driver’s license. THAT would be unconstitutional.

Yes yes, millions of true, full blooded Amerikkkans. I wish these dickheads could live in LA for two weeks. You know why this place is so fucking great? Cuzz it is so fucking DIVERSE it is amazing.
Of course it would not be a good place for you people who are AFRAID OF YOUR OWN FUCKING BALLS. I am so sick of dealing with these chikenshits who never leave their fucking trailer park (well unless it’s to go waste some poor bastards who have the misfortune of walking on resources the corporate masters need) and then, never going any further from their trailer park then the nearsest Walmart, talk all this shit about how this is the greatest country, blah blah blah (insert waving flag and crucifix).
Take a trip assholes. Go to Europe, Japan, hell even Canada. And get the fuck out of your Holiday Inn room, then you’ll see that there are other countries whose people enjoy plenty of freedoms and are not utterly beholden to a military/corporate state, slowly being sold off to the highest transnational bidder.

I hope Arnold Gropenator takes up smoking weed again and starts a Hitler army-navy surplus store. Or gets hit by a falling drug agent.

Arnold’s popularity is lower than Bush/Cheney in CA.

His legal, state issued, state verified certificate of birth has been presented and it shows that he was BORN IN HAWAII. . . these idiots won’t be happy with ANYTHING he presents because he’s a black man in their WHITE house and he has a funny name. Racism . . . that’s all it is.

They look STUPID.

too late for that Dude

no it was not ,and if you have seen it tell me the doctors name and hospital name he was born in

The “guys” that said that were Republicans. First of all, the the “guys” is a woman. A woman is the Republican Governor of Hawaii. Second of all, what’s your point, johnniefavorite?

being born on a military base is not even a requirement … if your pregnant american mom gives birth to you at moscow airport, you are not a russian …

Well then Obama had to show his birth certificate when he got his license you freaking nutjob

more detail here linked at your post:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

more detail here linked at your post:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

when will Arizona and a few other odd states accept the simple fact that Federal law trumps state laws. Voting for a presidential candidate is not a state option. Slavery is not a state option. A war in Afghanistan is not a state option. Paying federal taxes is not a state option.

when will Arizona and a few other odd states accept the simple fact that Federal law trumps state laws. Voting for a presidential candidate is not a state option. Slavery is not a state option. A war in Afghanistan is not a state option. Paying federal taxes is not a state option.

good gawd … his campaign did … long, long ago …

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

good gawd … his campaign did … long, long ago …

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

it’s already resting.

it’s already resting.

Then The Stupids have been busy in AZ passing a law that won’t make any difference. It’s not stupid to discuss it. What’s stupid is making up big cardboard signs about it, and taking them to a teaparty protest.

Then The Stupids have been busy in AZ passing a law that won’t make any difference. It’s not stupid to discuss it. What’s stupid is making up big cardboard signs about it, and taking them to a teaparty protest.

Silly. Black tea partiers, as well as Asian, gay, and Hispanic ones, think you are a twit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1CLPhz0DHM&feature=player_embedded

Silly. Black tea partiers, as well as Asian, gay, and Hispanic ones, think you are a twit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1CLPhz0DHM&feature=player_embedded

None of you dipshits have a clue what you’re talking about. A certificate of live birth is not the same thing as a birth certificate. I have both for my kids. A colb is what you get if you’ve lost the original birth certificate, or so you can protect your original bc from wear/tear/loss, using the colb for various things for the kid, until they’re old enough to get some other type of id for themselves, such as a school id or a state id.

Obama admits his original birth certificate exists, but the Hawaii dept. of statistics has locked it up from public view.

None of you dipshits have a clue what you’re talking about. A certificate of live birth is not the same thing as a birth certificate. I have both for my kids. A colb is what you get if you’ve lost the original birth certificate, or so you can protect your original bc from wear/tear/loss, using the colb for various things for the kid, until they’re old enough to get some other type of id for themselves, such as a school id or a state id.

Obama admits his original birth certificate exists, but the Hawaii dept. of statistics has locked it up from public view.

So in other words no one has seen it or shown it, a Democratic Party politician who works for the state of Hawaii says they saw something they accept as valid.

Rofl.

The fact that the dwindling number of sheeple who still follow the flop eared Liar in Chief are all either stupid or dishonest or both is why you are crashing in the polls. You are morally and intellectually subhuman sewage.

So in other words no one has seen it or shown it, a Democratic Party politician who works for the state of Hawaii says they saw something they accept as valid.

Rofl.

The fact that the dwindling number of sheeple who still follow the flop eared Liar in Chief are all either stupid or dishonest or both is why you are crashing in the polls. You are morally and intellectually subhuman sewage.

A certificate of live birth is not a birth certificate

A certificate of live birth is not a birth certificate

Showing and handing out are not the same thing.

If you can afford it we can provide you with remedial education

Showing and handing out are not the same thing.

If you can afford it we can provide you with remedial education

The State of Hawaii publishes birth announcements in the newspaper when it issues a certificate of live birth. It issues a certificate of live birth whenever whenever anyone who claims Hawaii as their state of legal residence ask the state to issue a COLB for their child born anywhere.

The State of Hawaii publishes birth announcements in the newspaper when it issues a certificate of live birth. It issues a certificate of live birth whenever whenever anyone who claims Hawaii as their state of legal residence ask the state to issue a COLB for their child born anywhere.

Actually the number of people who think Obama is a liar who hides his transcripts, birth records, client lists, meeting lists, etc, grows every day.

Actually the number of people who think Obama is a liar who hides his transcripts, birth records, client lists, meeting lists, etc, grows every day.

These cretins think pointing out that Lindsey Graham or Bush did something stupid before Obama did it justifies it.

They don’t realize that we intend to send them all to the guillotine, along with their fuhrers. After a fair trial before a citizen’s tribunal of course.

These cretins think pointing out that Lindsey Graham or Bush did something stupid before Obama did it justifies it.

They don’t realize that we intend to send them all to the guillotine, along with their fuhrers. After a fair trial before a citizen’s tribunal of course.

You are an ignorant parrot. And you don’t even know it

You are an ignorant parrot. And you don’t even know it

Actually-the Republican governor said it was legit.

Actually-the Republican governor said it was legit.

I love to watch you statist twits whistle in the dark as you walk down the dark alley where the guillotine awaits you.

I love to watch you statist twits whistle in the dark as you walk down the dark alley where the guillotine awaits you.

That’s correct. A colb isn’t necessarily issued at the time of birth. It can be applied for at any time after the birth of a child, or not at all.

That’s correct. A colb isn’t necessarily issued at the time of birth. It can be applied for at any time after the birth of a child, or not at all.

Speaking of licenses, why did Obama have to give up his Illinois law license?

Speaking of licenses, why did Obama have to give up his Illinois law license?

As do the birthers noses.

As do the birthers noses.

Not a chance that he would ever win the nomination.

Not a chance that he would ever win the nomination.

HORSE SH!T

HORSE SH!T

They do NOT hand then out
AZZHOLE

They do NOT hand then out
AZZHOLE

Yes they can be forged. Here’s how:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html

This is a RW site, but no one else has published such a thorough examination of Obama’s COLB.

Yes they can be forged. Here’s how:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html

This is a RW site, but no one else has published such a thorough examination of Obama’s COLB.

Factcheck.org clarifies President Obama’s citizenship

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_barack_obama_have_kenyan_citizenship.html

[Excerpt]

When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.’s children:

British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.

In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC) by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UKC.

Those pesky facts!

Factcheck.org clarifies President Obama’s citizenship

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_barack_obama_have_kenyan_citizenship.html

[Excerpt]

When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.’s children:

British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.

In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC) by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UKC.

Those pesky facts!

The baby she’s been foisting off on all of us is not the same baby in this picture, also presented as Sarah’s.
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2010/02/tale-of-two-babies-by-sarah-palin.html

The baby she’s been foisting off on all of us is not the same baby in this picture, also presented as Sarah’s.
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2010/02/tale-of-two-babies-by-sarah-palin.html

Opps — you are correct.

Opps — you are correct.

See my post at the top of the thread.

See my post at the top of the thread.

Yep, going to trial is exactly the point. That’s the only way we can get discovery of Obummer’s papers. If Obozo is ineligible, then his orders are illegal.

Yep, going to trial is exactly the point. That’s the only way we can get discovery of Obummer’s papers. If Obozo is ineligible, then his orders are illegal.

dennycrane – you rock. Continue to speak truth to stupid. Eventually they’ll take their american flag snuggies and go back to their basements to polish their holsters. Can’t we just tell them if they don’t like it here they can all go back to Kentucky?

dennycrane – you rock. Continue to speak truth to stupid. Eventually they’ll take their american flag snuggies and go back to their basements to polish their holsters. Can’t we just tell them if they don’t like it here they can all go back to Kentucky?

One of the COLBs that were posted on the internet. Proven forgeries. Even if they were valid documents (which they aren’t), they still do not prove where Obozo was born.

One of the COLBs that were posted on the internet. Proven forgeries. Even if they were valid documents (which they aren’t), they still do not prove where Obozo was born.

You don’t know that the order is legitimate. A trial will get to that truth.

You don’t know that the order is legitimate. A trial will get to that truth.

Nope. The Pentagon issued the deployment order, not the President.

Your boy is going to Kansas

Nope. The Pentagon issued the deployment order, not the President.

Your boy is going to Kansas

You are just a RACIST.
LOL

You are just a RACIST.
LOL

McCain was born in a civilian hospital. His father was stationed in Panama on an unaccompanied tour and his wife was denied access to military facilities, upon arrival in Panama. The hospital was not even in the Canal Zone and Ms.McCain did not live in the Canal Zone. The family’s attempt to reside in the Zone was denied by the Commander U.S. Forces.

I’ve told you all this before. You know you are lieing and that is the brand indelibly imprinted on your forehead: “FUCKING LIAR”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

McCain was born in a civilian hospital. His father was stationed in Panama on an unaccompanied tour and his wife was denied access to military facilities, upon arrival in Panama. The hospital was not even in the Canal Zone and Ms.McCain did not live in the Canal Zone. The family’s attempt to reside in the Zone was denied by the Commander U.S. Forces.

I’ve told you all this before. You know you are lieing and that is the brand indelibly imprinted on your forehead: “FUCKING LIAR”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was a very informative comment. You must be a college grad.

That was a very informative comment. You must be a college grad.

The order was issued by the Pentagon, not the President, dumbass

The order was issued by the Pentagon, not the President, dumbass

Yeah, pesky those facts. How about a pop quiz?

1.) What is the only legal reference work mentioned by name in the Constitution?

Yeah, pesky those facts. How about a pop quiz?

1.) What is the only legal reference work mentioned by name in the Constitution?

let’s say in the unlikely event that LTC chickenhawk gets discovery. He will recieve a COLB certified by the state of Hawaii that is identical to the one on the internet.

Your boy will be out the door, Kansas bound and you birthers will be SOL.

Yeah, it appears to be keeping you highly intelligent types busy as well {snicker}

As leader of the United Nation of Stupid Fucks, I object to you including malikk (should that be three K’s?) as one of us. malikkk is the kind of person WE point at and laugh. A lot.

The truth hurt you…
LOL

It’s not likely that her daughter had a baby with down’s syndrome. This happens to women over 35, by far.

In a collegial ‘Sense of the Senate’ Resolution the Senate voted 97 >> 0 that both candidates were eligible to be President and the Master-at-Arms had examined all relevant documents, under subpoena, and affirmed both to be constitutionally eligible.

Although the matter should have seen McCain DQ’ed, he wasn’t; O’Bama wasn’t even close to a DQ.

WRONG! A US military base in a foreign country is NOT US TERRITORY! You better read up on International law. The US military leases the base from the foreign government. Children born on that base are issued birth certificates from that country. The US consulate in that country issues a certification of a US citizen born abroad. Any child born of 1 US parent is a US citizen no matter where they are born. As long a Obama’s mother was a US citizen her child (Barrack) would be a US citizen no matter what country he was born in.

A OCLB is a legal document issued by the state of Hawaii.

There is nothing that the state of Arizona can do about that.

Well actually, he knows he’s ignorant; The unknown quantity is the extent of his ignorance.

I have a problem with calling him a Parrot. I like Parrots.

You so easily take flights of fantasy. Write cartoons?

are you taking about: Introduction to the Law of Nations written at the end of the 8th century by Muhammad al-Shaybani (d. 804), a jurist of the Hanafi school of Islamic law and jurisprudence?

Are you saying that the Constitution is based on Islamic law?

He must also admit to being related by birth to Manuel Noiega and that he master-minded Noriega’s drug distribution circus.

Yo!!!!!!
We have enough problems here without Malikk, oldatantic, et al. Send ‘em to Mississippi where they will blend in.

Yes of course.
TYPING IN ALL CAPS MEANS I”M COOL.
I MEAN IF I TYPE IN ALL CAPS YOU HAVE
TO READ WHAT I”M SAYING ? RIGHT?
……RIGHT? >>>>>> RIGHT?
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Insult ignored – they’re expected from libertards.

All deployment orders are authorized by the CinC. That’s why all order refusals relate to deployment. Nice try though.

He isn’t black. He’s mulatto.
Seriously, do your research.

I typed Article 15s while in the military – I know a bit about it. You are correct, there is no third way but LTC Lakin is not looking for a third way. He WANTS to be court-martialed – it’s the only way to get discovery and access to Obozo’s documents.

I’m not a doctor, i just play one on Rawstory.com. I’m aware of the statistical chances by age group.

I was just pretending to be a Republican playing “i know you are but what am I?” as a debate strategy. They must really hate losing every battle of wits.

Mr.Bauer -

Lt.Calley was convicted of derelection of duty for failing to supervise his platoon and his subordinate Non-coms. He was given an illegal order as was his Company Commander, Medina. The Battalion Commander, Henderson, was the only one convicted of an offense concerning an illegal order. An illegal order is silly-putty. An illegal order is a three-ring circus for trial counsels. It may not be legally enforced and if illegally enforced may not be prosecuted for undue influence. It’s a free for all.

Request you study your military law.

There are several 60-something liberal lawyers who are contemporaries of Calley, or were part of the investigation at some place or time.

PLEASE tell me how you are any less free today then the last 8 years, the gun ban in D.C. was there before Obama, the Goverment has the right to restrict where you can carry firearms ie: and airport, federal, state and city bldings. There are alot of heads of state in D.C. you dont need to have a gun there period, if you don’t like don’t go there. Stay in your red neck state. For the record Obama did just sighn a bill allowing you to carry in a federal park, but you guys are so selective on what you argue its laughable.
Why don’t you guys just admit this birth cert thing is nothing more then a race thing, we never asked ANY other Presdient to show there birth cert just because the guy is black now you have a problem. Honestly you guys just look REAL stupid.

And finally stop bitching about taxes, Exxon payed 0 in federal taxes last year, 0. They gave there taxes to another country. You guys complain about the high taxes on bus., but after the deductions and loop holes we are one of the cheapest taxed countries in the world excluding the China’s of the world, further more you got a tax cut this year unless you make alot of money, in which case I don’t care your taxes went up, just like you could give a shit about us. So please get you facts straight I wish this guy was the socialist you claim I would like him even more.

It needs to specify doctor signed, hospital issued. It must bear the signature of the physician and the name of the hospital.

Hmm…. Under those condition, I'd expect that over 40% of all people now known to be US citizens will have to be deported to some other country because they don't meet the necessary conditions. But that's okay. There will still be millions left here.

Its no wonder they get so much crazy in Arizona, the sun down there must be something fierce.

Idiots. Anyone supporting this should have to present their KKK card prior to voting.

PR -
You must be a 71 something. You typed Art-15′s. You didn’t prosecute in the S.J.A’s Office. You didn’t defend, either. You worked at Brigade or Battalion HQ or even were a company clerk. You didn’t even have the luxury of making the decision to offer non-judicial pubnishment nor did you have the authority to define a search for contraband. You typed decisions of others and weren’t trained to make those decisions. I trained them.

It doesn't seem like they have a legal basis for a case. But I have to admit I'm so disappointed with Obama that I think it would be kind of funny if he was proven not to be a US citizen at this point. It would give him time to work on a new book sequel: “The Killer of Hope (an autobiography)”.

Who knew that so many white folks would become so very hysterical when there was eventually a President elected that didn't have white skin. (mine is white, and I didn't see it coming)

How come they don't care that Sarah Palin never showed Trig's birth certificate, when there were rumors that Trig was hers?

Yeah, it’s an outrage that he beat your slobber-lipped mental-cripple by 10 million votes and you won’t admit it.

McCain has gone into dementia since the election; we’re lucky he wasn’t elected. Just cringe!!!!! Palin would be president by now.

Obama could put all this to rest by simply allowing the Hawaii hospital to show what they have.

God save us from these ignorant racist fucks in my home state!

Hey, sorry Lierbag96. Idaho already has that illustrious title. How about the Alabama of the West? Or does Utah already have that title?

eat shit old nazi (atlantic)

I have a certificate of birth that has all those signatures….. But in Pennsylvania it is not a legal document… The one issued by the state say's none of these things…. How on earth he get a passport if he was not a citizen?

So will McCain be impeached for not being born in the U.S.??

Geez you’re stupid! John McCain III only had 3 stars, a Vice-Admiral.

You dumb shit, that disqualifies half the nation.

But, it's unconstitutional anyway so it really doesn't matter.

the closet case with the potty mouth is back spouting his baggers views again.

you just dont get it dumbass. his mother was an american citizen which makes him a natural born citizen. it doesnt matter where he was born…. moron

Same here with mine from VA. The only legal BC in VA is the one I have without those items.

Because she is white.

Why should he? to sane people, and in reality, it is put to rest. Why on EARTH would h want to put to rest a fringe group that is killing Conservatism and the GOP? God knows I'd want the conspiracy theories to keep percolating. you presume he wants to put them to rest. he's a fool if he does.

It is becoming more and more obvious that paint chips have become a snack food for republicans

Time to BOYCOTT ARIZONA……….!!!!!!!!!

ARIZONA HAS BECOME THE MISSISSIPPI OF THE WEST!

DON'T GO THERE! DON'T SPEND MONEY THERE!

Kyrsten Sinema, once anti-war, now pro-war Obama acolyte. Magic! like licking Obama's butt is magic. As for the Birth certificate, it's just another one of those non-issues put out there to make Obama look good. That's why we keep hearing about it and with the endless war, not so much.

The bill doesn't seem like that big of a deal though, if I had to show mine to get a S.S. card, Obama shouldn't have a problem showing his to be president of the war pigs. Not that I think he was born in another country or anything, I just think he's a son of a bitch war pig. Great story though, Kirstin's obviously a lesbian or she wouldn't be on Raw Story like she was Rachel Maddow or something.

What exactly is the big deal with Obama and his birth certificate? The big deal is that it pisses people off on both sides, it's divisive, it's stupid and it lends a world of sympathy to Obama in all of his endeavors, especially war, just like the tea baggers.

“the laughing stock of the nation.” – Arizona already was, but now you are too Kirsten. Kirsten's the poster child for anti-war types that were anti-war for one reason only: They hated Bush. That's a phony right there for you, that's as phony as it fucking gets. I wonder if she'd change her mind if the air force dropped a bomb and splattered her love ones all over the place?

You can look at her facebook page, same kind of crap you see hear on Raw. Teabaggers, birthers, war? What war. Kirsten loves her president, I just saw it on her facebook. She's a partisan politician now, no time for and of that childish anti-war crap, unless it's to save some face or fool some people.

There's some great lines that reek like shit in here: “On Sunday, the head of the US's largest Catholic diocese compared the law to “Nazi” and “communist tactics” used to sniff out dissidents.” – Lol, how many people run for president every 4 years? Like 8? The only thing this bitch has been sniffing is little boys.

This is actually fantastic. Fromme and others are on the verge of issuing a boycott recommendation of the loony state. The TeaBaggers only make up 4% of the nation. They are less popular than the IRS. And even when the Dems are as inept as anything in the world, the GOP is STILL ranked below the Dems and the Baggers even lower.

Keep passing those unconstitutional laws ya morons. The old white male is dying off and ain't shit you can do about it.

When McCain ran for president, the GOP was very careful not to raise Obama's birth as an issue. McCain was born outside the navy base in a Panama Hospital. Under 1932 law, the parents could choose the child's citizenship (U.S.) or Panama. This required a declaration form, which would have led to charges of not being natural born.

Oldfuckhead chimes in…..

I'm all for the immigration law and hope it passes. It's ridiculous how bad the illegal immigration has become all over the U.S. Finally Arizona stepping up to do what the Feds refuse to do.

As for the Birth Certificate bill, yeah, pretty stupid but who cares. They have the right to know whose ruling over them, even if it's based on racist paranoia. That's what a working democracy really is, one big pot of crazy stew. They don't need to worry about what the rest of the Nation thinks of them, they need to be thinking about their own citizens. Plus Arizona has an open carry law. I'm starting to really like that state and it's particular flavor of crazy.

Now get rid of the electoral college and we might actually be on to something. And yes, I'm one of those borderline Democrats who will vote for Ron Paul if he runs in 2012.

ok barry soetoro its time to show your birth certificate motherfucker

are watching the end of america, from these bunch of racists. there will be race war, just like mason foretold

did you have to show a birth cert to get your drivers license asshole i bet you did

trig was not running for president dumbass

Obama's lack of the long form birth certificate is really irrelevant in states such as AZ, OK, FL, etc. Being non-white, he can't carry those states anyway.

And Republican. IOKIYAR.

My birth cert. does not have all of that. I was born in Penna. I lost my original years ago and had to get a replacement. So it's legal. Your requirements mean nothing. Just because you want to see those things does not mean diddly squat.

The certificate of live birth is filed with the state of Hawaii, which keeps the original and does not release it. State officials have stated on the record (I think TWICE) that they have a record of Obama's birth there, in Honolulu. A copy of Obama's CoLB was on file at his Presidential campaign headquarters in Chicago, where representatives of factcheck.org reviewed it and said it was a copy of the real thing. It's not up to Obama or anyone else to provide what state record keepers won't part with. What you and I have is not the original birth certificate, but a copy of what is in your state capital records. These birthers are asking for something over and above what anyone else in history has been asked to provide. Even John McCain did not pursue this in 2008, as questions about his own birthplace (in the Canal Zone? Or maybe in Panama itself?) would have made his candidacy similarly vulnerable and maybe even more so.

LOL, the dude is the prez, he can have anything made. Have anything done!

Lou
http://www.vpn-privacy.us.tc

Right now the Democratic party braintrust is trying to manage fallout from the brutal killings of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan by our gung ho killers. They are trying to manage fallout from their refusal to prosecute Bush and Cheney for torture. Their corporate giveaways and cozy relationship with Wall street are also a problem for the Obama administration.

I wonder if THEY are happy to see people going back and forth about silly birth certificate bun fights, instead of looking at the Obama war crimes?
I wonder if THEY appreciate media outlets that simply refuse to cover the growing scandals and war crimes from Iraq and Afghansitan, opting instead to serve up pulp and confusion to people in the form of irrelevant birth certificate follies. If so, rawstory must have a whole lot of gold stars beside their name.

Malikk your such a putz!

it is amazing how ignorant some people are.

Wait. Keith Olbermann pointed out that John McCain was born in Panama. Do we redo the 2008 campaigns? Can we breathe easy that he will not try to run for ANYTHING again? Was Sarah Falin really born in Canada because her dad took mom across the boarder for free health care/delivery? Where will it all end? Birthers, I hope your spaces between your ears implode.

Mr Jock -
It’s apparent from your number of posts you are an expert on just about everything, however, William Calley was convicted, on March 29, 1971, of premeditated murder for ordering the shootings. He was initially sentenced to life in prison. Look at My Lai on Wikipedia
"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do"
Benjamin Franklin

Candidates must provide video of birth and then video evidence taken every month to prove citizenship. Excuse me, Democrats and blacks must provide videos…

Was HE born in Canada because her daddy taught her to cheat?

Yes, but, Sarah does make a big stink about it. Did she sneak into Canada to give birth and cheat the way her daddy taught her to do?

Lt. Col. Lakin is a surgeon and a highly decorated, 18 year military veteran who questions Obama's Presidential eligibility and, therefore, the lawfulness of his orders. LTC Lakin has refused to report for deployment to Afghanistan. He is putting his honorable, 18 year military career on the line for his principles. His defense through the Supreme Court will be expensive.

58% of Americans want to see Obama's birth certificate. I don't often donate to causes but I am one of those 58% and I just donated $5 to LTC Lakin's defense fund. If all 58% did the same, it would a.) easily cover Lakin's defense fund and, b.) send a powerful message to Washington! Put that idea on Facebook and all the other social networks. Get it on the blogs. Make it happen!

Lt. Col. Lakin’s defense fund can be found at: http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/

Anything to keep the attention away from where it should. Nevermind that we are a militaristic corporatist regime where the president hardly matters anyway.

With all the vetting that goes one with candidates… not too mention the blood thirsty Clinton camp during the primaries… you really think this birther movement is anything more than keeping stupids busy?

FYI, “copies of Certs of Live Birth are CERTIFIED with the seal of the county and state. Forgeries are not possible.

Live up to that teeny-bopper song by Lindsay:

….”Hey, Arizona, take off your hobo shoes
Arizona, have another look at the world, my my
Arizona, get off your 8-ball blues
Arizona, hey won'tcha go my way

Come on, hey, Arizona, take off your rainbow shades”…..

Ha ha ha ha. Buffoons.

You’re avoiding the question: WHY DIDN’T SARAH PALIN PRODUCE TRIG’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE WHEN ASKED?

Pretend you’re in a court of law, and you have to ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!

You sound like a birther/TeaBagger YOURSELF, my man!!!

These are the silliest of all the whiners in the US. The birthers. if Obama wasn't American, the terrorist regime of President Cheney would have had him hauled off to jail before the elections.

Whats funny is the GOP doesnt back them up, the republicans in congress, Bush, the Bush attorney general and in general no one with a brain.

The end game here is to set the stage for the Gover-nator of Cali, to become the next President in four or eight years. His nazi heritage and Austrian birth are well known and must be overcome.
The rabid frothing at the mouth Obama devotees who forgive war crimes, torture and extra judicial murder are only too happy to support their Omessiah in this birther tempest. The joke as always will be on the American people as Obama Democrats will pave the way for Arnie. Obviously the Repuglian devotees will do a 180 and see the 'wisdom' in permitting naturalized citizens to occupy the big chair. But does any of it matter. The killing spree of W Bush is going strong with Obama and surely the next guy will keep it going too. I'm not worried personally because when I see Obama helping Arnie take the oath of office, I am certain my head will explode and all my problems will be solved.

The people are so easily manipulated.

The Republican Secretary of Health for HI said the Birth Cert is legit, moreover
there are two contemporaneous (SAME DAY HE WAS BORN) birth notices in two different Hawaii papers, so get over it he's black, a DEMOCRAT and he beat your guy by 10 million votes

I cannot see how any convention — academic,technological, business, religious, or otherwise — could dream of holding its meeting in Arizona, where any of its 'foreign-looking' participants would very likely be harassed, including those of Mediterranean/European ancestry.

Smart business, bankrupt Arizona, keep up the good work and maybe a cleverer state like New Mexico could just annex you and put you out of your anti-immigrant, anti-government misery.

Mr.Bauer -
Insults here are dime a dozen; you on the other hand are due 9 cents change.

This charge and specification was reversed on appeal.

During Major Powell’s [later General] investigation it was determined that Lt.Calley was derelect by not supervising – since he was in a different Hamlet from MyLai IV, where the atrocity occurred.

Premeditation didn’t attach. He fired no rounds in MyLai IV. When media and popular opinion determine charges from specifications, they almost always get ameliorated – eventually.

If you wish to argue the Army botched the prosecution – purposfully – I’ll support your argument, with facts, not opinion, supposition or speculation.

Three things:
1. I’m opinionated, not an expert.
2. I never substitute opinion for fact.
3. This is playtime, when I get serious, you will know it.

just to keep the facts straight, florida went to the president in the last election.

Exactly! And would good soldier Lakin refuse the order if Obama wasn’t black? And, for that matter, would anyone send money to Lakin’s defense, if Obama was white?

Oh, and by the way; Benedict Arnold had been one of Washington’ s bravest and effective generals before he became a traitor; so it seems credentials don’t mean all that much.

Deny it all you want – this is about nothing but race!

Did you really say “Forgeries are not possible!!”???
That's non-sense. Every kind of document and currency has been successfully forged. It may (or may not) be difficult, but it's never impossible!

“after-birthers”…let them have AZ..all the teabaggers, KKK, palinists, etc…let them have their own warped country…i am sick of these idiots…they are not helping ANYTHING!…funny thing..a spell check on “palinists” get you “Stalinist”…

Let me guess…it passed along party lines.

Lt. Col Lakin, like all those before him, swore an oath and has an obligation to follow the orders of his Commander in Chief. He doesn't have the privilege to pick and choose which orders he wants to obey based on his opinions. If he doesn't want to follow orders he needs to resign his commission and stop bringing this shame to himself and all servicemen and servicewomen who willingly obey their commanders, even in the face of certain death.

With his commission resigned and being discharged from duty he can then freely protest to his hearts content. Otherwise he's just another lowlife scumbag sucking on the government tit while pretending to be a martyr for “The Cause”.
Thus saith this veteran,
Ovid

dickhead

Or did she sneak her oldest daughter over the border to have her FIRST child, Trig? And where is Taaaaahhhhhdddddd in all this? is he on a round the world snow machine race? Now THAT would be some fine reality show stuff. We already know that Chillbilly went around the world while she was in college (one of them) — i think it was with the men's hockey team. Anybody?

You bet that's gonna happen… the buildings in downtown phoenix will turn to dust before that happens…

damm sad to be so fucking old and yet so fucking stupid

Yes he could be impeached and jailed for a very long time, but he will most likely be pardoned as soon as he admits to being a Panamanian spy (and says he's sorry).

But then there are those who choose to chew the tips off from rectal thermometers

In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961: http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?template=zoom&Site=M1&Date=20081109&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=811090361&Ref=V3

Lead-filled and laced with “Preparation H”. All going to the brain.

Her water broke on the flight and caused “chemtrails” all the way back to alaska.

i told you your boy barry soetoro is going down didn't i

Not as important as being republican.

58 % ????
LOL

hey malikk you left out a “K” in your name – as in KKK

HERE YOU GO…
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BarackObamaCe…

HERE YOU GO
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BarackObamaCe…

Beware the inmates are in charge in Arizona. Something needs to be done to bring Arizona back to rational thought. I think citizens should boycott Arizona and government should cut off all federal funds that will get their attention. And one final time ding-bats President Obama was born in H-A-W-A-I-I. GET OVER IT THERE IS A BLACK MAN LIVING IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

LIKE THIS ??
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BarackObamaCe…

The state NEVER hands out the Original ..
You are correct

The Republican Governor of Hawaii has categorically stated that Obama was born there and

IS AN AMERICAN BORN CITIZEN. He was elected President in a fair and democratic

election. He is the legitimate 44th President of the United States.

Get over it you racists.

Nice job!!!

Michael Jackson turned his skin white…you should find out how he did it and move to AZ…FRITZ…

I was at a Tea Party this past weekend. You all need to know that the GOP party has definite proof that Barack Obama is neither African American nor Caucasian. He was actually born on Mars and brought here by unknown aliens and lived his early years in Texas near the Bush family (OLD MAN). Realize people, his parents do not exist so of course he would not have a birth certificate. The certificate in question is a made up certificate and sent to earth with Barack along with other necessary documents we all need. Someone (maybe an alien), obviously planted the document in Honolulu. Hawaii had only recently became a state and the vital statistics were very poor in the early years.

R. Paul does not believe in a woman's right to chose.

Or the CONSTITUTION…Separation of church & state.

SHUT THE F*CK UP

Obviously you are not familiar with the Universal Code of Military Justice. Lt. Col. Lakin is defying a legitimate command from his superiors. He has 2 choices–1) resign his commission, or 2) be arrested and tried in a General Courts-Martial.

There is NO THIRD WAY.

Birth certificate does not make you a natural-born citizen. Being born in the US makes you a natural-born citizen. Some natural-born citizens do not have birth certificates. A rule that excludes people from running for president who are constitutionally qualified would be unconstitutional.

This from a state whose Game and Fish dept just killed the last known wild Southern Arizonan Jaguar. Idiots.

cert of live birth asshole its not a birth certificate, a birth certificate has doctors name and hospital name

Poor people that live in Arizona! They have a choice between poor loser McCain who was not born in the U.S. and a overweight blowhard radio talk show Rush Limbaugh wannabee!

LEARN TO READ
DIPSH!T

Head dick.

Lt. Col Lakin does not want to deploy becasue he doubts Obama's legitimacy as president. How many of our brave young soldiers went to war for George Bush all the while knowing he was lying and risking their lives for an unnecessary invasion in Iraq? Lakin should be busted just like any other soldier refusing orders. However, that said, it's actually a good thing that he did not deploy. Who would want someone that is obviously off center covering her/his back?

Wow, that's great, I admire you, It must be hard to find an extra 5 bucks outa' that SSI check.

The My Lai Massacre convicted Lt Calley of following the illegal orders of his Captain Medina. An illegal order is illegal if given by an illegal commander. Not rocket science to figure that out.

I love the logic. Buy their own legislative mandate, John McCain would not be eligible to run for president if this should pass. McCain was born in Panama. Perhaps, white guys are exempt??

I honestly wouldn't know how it would feel to be old and stupid. But following your posts, I am formulating an opinion based on your stupidity and your immaturity. I will let you know when I conclude my synopsis……Done…..Hmmmm, you are one stupid fuck.

31 out of 53 Arizona Statehouse members are “PINHEADS” Cut off all Federal Aid and see what happens. Arizona doofuses need to get a brain!

Why can't Republicans stop playing games and find someone capable of running and beating Obama? It's not like I would vote for such individual but it would be more impressive and interesting and beneficial for the nation if the republicans got serious, cooperated more, acted serious and ceased the silly child's play.

He's shown his legal, official, state-issued, state verified birth certificate, you nutjob. Get a life. Lakin should be court-martialed and thrown in the brig.

Dear Malikk, If only you would state an argument instead of personally attacking others. Try debating the points. Also, maybe you should back off a little and take a breath, as you sound a little parnoid. Try going to a chat where everyone agrees with you and you with them. That should make you feel better.

Um, yes it is. You really have no clue what you're talking about and you look really, really stupid, malikk. Seriously, you do.

you both are hurting my feelings

It’s signed, sealed and double verified to be an authentic document and is absolute proof of natural-born American citizenship for all purposes under the United States Constitution, the laws of the United States and the laws of all states.

If you will not accept absolute proof, why should anyone believe that you will accept other absolute proof?

I am an Arizona resident, and all I can say is BOYCOTT ARIZONA! if this is signed by the guv.

And what SHTF Mac and the dim-witted reps in Arizona don’t seem to realize is that:

(1) Arizona already has laws on the books to curb illegal immigration, including one that prosecutes companies that hire undocumented workers.

(2) Obama not only supplied the requisite proof of citizenship to those election officials who needed to see it, but he also released a certified copy of his birth record to the press at large. Of course, the low information birthers don’t seem to understand that NO ONE ever has access to their original birth certificate. Those are kept in the records offices (usually county offices) and certified copies or facsimiles are made to satisfy the requirements for marriage and drivers licenses, passports, and eligibility for the presidency of the United States. So those birthers clamoring for the President’s “original birth certificate” must all be living in sin and driving without a license, to say nothing of having never left the country. (God help us if any of them should ever run for president.) You’re right that’s it’s racism.

(3) This is one of my personal favorites: the idiots who parade around wielding their firearms whining about the government taking away their Second Amendment rights. They really don’t seem to care about the other rights, which were abrogated by the Bush administration. Watching some of the scenes from the rallies on Monday, with the bewigged and becostumed “patriots” wandering around looking like reenactors who missed the bus to Bunker Hill, provided great entertainment but not much else.

Why do you think that the COLB proffered by the Obama administration is “phony”?

It is signed, sealed, and double verified.

The “long form” you beg for belongs to the People of the State of Hawaii. They no longer send copies of that documentation. Anyone who asks for a BC from Hawaii gets a form that looks like the President’s.

did you know mccain father and grandfather were 4 star admirals
i don,t mcain so you know fuck him

I simply don’t understand why you people are just plain stupid!! There is a very good reason why the government of any state in the US to provide proof of citizenship and in order to get a passport, all you need is that Certificate of Birth. And, it is quite common for the US to recognize dual/plural citizenship where both the US and the other country have treaties. There are quite a few Canadians that share citizenship with the US. Israelis also share that citizenship. I’m not really up to date on which country allows such citizenship with the US but it is done quite frequently. Again, you only have to provide a certificate of live birth to prove citizenship. I do NOT understand why there is this double standard for President Obama. This merely is a sham – these birthers among others are simply racists. And, I know how some of these people feel. I was born in the US and both of my parents were “displaced persons” following WW2. I was called a Nazi because my mother is Austrian and then I was called a communist because my father was from Albania. Go figure how stupid people are!!

You are an idiot, plain and simple. “Natural born citizen” means born in the United States. Both of your parents could have been born in Antarctica, but as long as you are born on American soil you are a “natural born citizen.” PERIOD. End of story. Stop whining about it.

The only outrage is that you people don’t seem to realize that those of us with a modicum of intelligence know that the only reason you are whining about this is because the President is African-American. If he was white as the driven snow this wouldn’t be an issue with you. You wouldn’t care if he had been born in a non-military hospital on foreign soil while his parents were stationed in a country like, say, Panama.

Who said Republican teabaggers were for less government? They are making a police state out of Arizona comparable to what Hitler did in Germany! LOL!

Nobody believes that BH Obama I was an American citizen.

18 USC 1401 is clear. Eligibility for another country’s citizenship is not material to the Natural Born Citizen status of a person born in the United States, other than a child born with diplomatic immunity.

Kenya didn’t exist at the time of the President’s birth.

The time to challenge a person’s Natural Born Citizenship would be at the Electoral College. No such challenge was made.

Mr. Obama is President of the United States.

So let's just pretend for a moment that this bill passes.

in 2012, the President will present the State of Arizona with the very same COLB document that is on the internet and the state will have no choice whatsoever but to accept it as proof of birth.

Then what?

The long form doesn’t need to be shown for anything, including a passport. What is the law to which you refer? And what makes you think that the President’s Certificate of Life Birth was “phony”? Do you think that the Secretary of State of Hawaii was also phony? Or that he was lying? What about the birth announcement in the Hawaii papers? Do you think that that was also phony? Or do you think that the President’s parents knew that he was going to be running for president in the year 2008 so they thought they would plant that fake announcement to help him out? Do you think, at all?

We have done our research. “Mulatto” is a derogatory term that is no longer used.

Yes, it does. And you are the jughead here.

Please tell me how stupid you are. Yet another with the intelligence of a turnip!!

If only some doctor or nurse would admit to having delivered him in Hawaii.

But none seems available.

Or perhaps a polaroid of mom and baby in Honolulu in the maternity ward.

But there are no photos.

Strange!

forget his credentials. He is refusing an order and any military person doing so gets discharged or put on trial. It is as simple as that…does not matter what reason he or she has for disobeying orders. I oppose our being in Afghanistan! But you sign up and get your pay, you take orders. Period. I got yanked from college to go to a war zone a long time ago and it was go or get in serious trouble You oppose Afghaniastan? Iraq? so do I. But that does not mean every person should decide where he or she will serve and when not to.
Your money is wasted on a guy who needs to be tgossed out of service.

Every state should have this requirement before allowing a presidential candidate on the ballot in that state. If this requirement had been in place before the last election, neither Obama nor McCain would have been on the ballot. Once again, Arizona shows the rest of the country the way.

That's what they've been showing us as proof of Obama's birth in the US all along, that phony COLB. Why pass a law like this at all, unless it specifies that the long form must be shown, as well as a COLB for comparison?

Like I said, below: Let's say this bill becomes law.

In 2012, the President will present the State of Arizona with the very same COLB document that is on the internet and the state will have no choice whatsoever but to accept it as proof of birth.

What are you going to do then, birther?

Teabagging Republicans are now going to have to Deport McCain to Panama! Too damn Funny!

If the illegals don't like it, they can leave.

Such a bill would violate the “Full Faith and Credit” clause of the U.S. Constitution.

I thought you birthers were all about upholding the Constitution?

Being born in the US doesn't necessarily confer citizenship on you. Maybe now it does, but not when Obama was born.

Obama's Kenyan side of the family were Arab slave traders. His family is classified as Arab, even though their skin is black.

There is nothing wrong with this Bill. Just really a great idea! Who would think to verify any politicians documentations. This should be standard practice for all. It is for me.

Yes it is a legal document and I was describing what happened to me when I applied for SSDI back in 1992. I had to obtain a certified copy of my birth certificate to prove my eligibility. Both of my parents are/were naturalized citizens and when they applied for Social Security, only my mother had a birth certificate. In Albania at the time, it was customary to use the saint’s names day and they didn’t use birth certificates. Alot of people who were refugees and displaced persons after WW2 were not able to provide that information since record keeping was not a priority in Albania. My father’s real birthday was unknown since they used his saint’s namesday as his birthday. He was probably older than he could remember. He didn’t really know his birthdate. While Social Security has requirements, alot of refugees and displaced persons after ww2 couldn’t provide the birth certificates. My mother was a Catholic so she had documentation but in Albania, forget it. I know that it makes things more confusing to some of the birthers but the US government has always tried to accomodate people like my father.

So let's just pretend for a moment that this bill passes.

in 2012, the President will present the State of Arizona with the very same COLB document that is on the internet and the state will have no choice whatsoever but to accept it as proof of birth.

Then what?

What makes you think Obama hasn't already been threatened with exposure, many times?

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…

Deport McCain, Deport McCain!!! We know for a fact he was not born in the U.S.!!

In 1897 the Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS) heard a monumental case to decide the very question of what is the definition of a natural born citizen.

The facts of the case are this, Wong Kim Ark (WKA) was born in San Francisco, California. Both of his parents were Chinese immigrants. Based on extremely racist laws in existence at that time known as the Chinese Exclusion Acts, WKA’s parents were not American citizens, even though they had lived in the country for over 20 years. Nor was it possible for them to become American citizens. Under American and Chinese law, they were considered to be subjects of the Chinese Emperor, although by virtue of their domicile in San Francisco, they were under the Jurisdiction of U.S. laws. Their son, WKA was also, based on Chinese law, a subject of the Chinese Emperor. WKA took a trip to China as a young man, and on his return to San Francisco, he was denied entry to the country based on the restrictions against Chinese immigrants imposed by the Chinese Exclusion Acts. WKA sued in federal court, arguing that he was a U.S. citizen by virtue of the 14th amendment. He won. The Government of the U.S. appealed to the district appeals court. They lost that appeal. They then appealed to SCOTUS.

SCOTUS took the case and in a 6 to 2 decision, denied the appeal and affirmed that WKA was an American Citizen by birth and thus a Natural Born Citizen.

The U.S. government, in it’s written argument to the court readily acknowledged that the case was indeed about the application of the term “natural Born Citizen.”

From their brief:

The question presented by this appeal may be thus stated: Is a person born in the United States of alien parents domiciled within a citizen thereof by the fact of his birth? The appellant maintains the negative, and in that behalf assigns as error the ruling of the district court that the respondent is a natural-born citizen, and on that ground holding him exempt from the provisions of the Chinese exclusion act and permitting him to land.

Another key arguments in their brief:

For the most persuasive reasons we have refused citizenship to Chinese subjects; and yet, as to their offspring, who are just as obnoxious, and to whom the same reasons for exclusion apply with equal force, we are told that we must accept them as fellow-citizens, and that, too, because of the mere accident of birth. There certainly should be some honor and dignity in American citizenship that would be sacred from the foul and corrupting taint of a debasing lineage.

Are Chinese children born in this country to share with the descendants of the patriots of the American Revolution the exalted qualification of being eligible to the Presidency of the nation, conferred by the Constitution in recognition of the importance and dignity of citizenship by birth?

The racism in that argument is both abhorrent and sickening, but it is clear that the concept of natural born citizenship and citizenship as a birth right were inexorably linked. The Government readily acknowledged that they were equivalent, that if you are born a citizen, then you are a natural born citizen.

SCOTUS looked at the language in the constitution and noted that the term “Natural Born Citizen” was simply a continuation of the term “Natural Born Subject” that had been in effect under English Common law at the time that the Constitution was written. SCOTUS found that under English Common Law, on which the U.S. Constitution was based, the term natural Born Subject had a definite and clear meaning.

It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.

The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established. . . . . . The term “citizen,” as understood in our law, is precisely analogous to the term “subject” in the common law, and the change of phrase has entirely resulted from the change of government. The sovereignty has been transferred from one man to the collective body of the people, and he who before as a “subject of the king” is now “a citizen of the State.”

Thus it is clear that in the Wong Kim Ark case, the Supreme Court of the U.S. ruled that if you are born in this country, regardless of who your parents are, then you are a natural born citizen of this country.

This decision has been upheld and reaffirmed in many subsequent cases. The latest case was the Ankeny v. the Governor of Indiana, a birther case decided in September 2009.

In this case, the judge found:

Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.

So there you have it. You are quite wrong. The citizenship status of the president’s father has NO bearing on the President’s status as a natural born citizen.

Oh shut up racist pig punk.

Why does it make you a laughing stock if you want to uphold the Constitution?

As Reagan said when confronted with these commies, trust but verify.

If Republican teabaggers do not Deport McCain they are breaking their own law! LOL!

Wouldn’t go there to save my life.
The best thing about driving through that shithole is the posted speed limit is 75 which puts Arizona in the rear-view mirror as quickly as possible.

You should know.

So let's just pretend for a moment that this bill passes.

in 2012, the President will present the State of Arizona with the very same COLB document that is on the internet.

Based on the U..S. Constitution, the state will have no choice whatsoever but to accept it as proof of birth.

Then what?

Your link proves how devious this plan was… Imagine, setting the stage with a birth announcement in 1961 for a black American with a “Muslim” name to steal the presidency. How forward thinking those conspirators were! Can you just imagine the meetings?! Now, we’re going to have to hide that this little baby was born in Kenya, because in 47 years, he’s going to hoodwink the good citizens of the US into handing the country over to a Muslim extremist… Yeah, I would have liked to be a fly on that wall.

and my dog has bad breath because he has small black spots on him…jeeze you are stupid..is there something wrong with your reading comprehension?…”He was actually born on Mars and brought here by unknown aliens and lived his early years in Texas near the Bush family (OLD MAN)”…

So let's just pretend for a moment that this bill passes.

in 2012, the President will present the State of Arizona with the very same COLB document that is available for viewing on the internet.

Based on the Full Faith and Credit clause of the U..S. Constitution, the state will have no choice whatsoever but to accept that document as valid proof of birth.

Then what birthers?

Are you telling us that white people don’t have the monopoly on idiocy? My goodness…

Are you under the impression that McCain is popular among tea partiers?

My birth state only provides that Certificate of Live Birth and sends copies of the original to me provided that I provide proof by providing my mother's maiden name which no one in the world would guess anyway. I don't see why the public as a whole has a right to the full birth certificate because it contains confidential information. You can't just go to the government center of your county and demand this type of information because it is only released to the person who proves their identity. The only government agency that gets that information is Social Security and Medicare and you have to provide a full copy to the Social Security Administration because they can't request that information on their own. And even that is confidential. I can't go to a government center and ask for the divorce records of anyone and it will not be provided without the consent of the individual. I don't know why these people are so stupid. It's how identity theft occurs. These birthers don't have the intelligence to read policies and/or rules. I don't blame the President for not providing his full birth certificate because if the CIA and FBI didn't have a problem with it, no one should either.

My point is that the COLB is a legal document issued by the state of Hawaii and every other state is bound to accept it as proof of birth.

Wrong, see my post above.

Oh Joe say it ain't so! You don't see the ridiculousness of the birthers? Are you aware we have 2 official wars going on , we have huge amounts of people unemployed. And while the economy is improving it still isn't as good as pre-bush. We have a myriad of problems facing this nation and what are the stupid republicans doing? Trying still to find away to keep a black man out of the white house [the next term joe]. The republicans new slogan should “republicans wastin' time doin' nothin'………guaranteed.

Well…
They made a law that children of military stationed outside the US can run for President of These UNITED States, so obviously McCain was not qualified to run in 2008. Yet, no apologies from the Republican Pary for that one! What are the chances the Democrats messed up also..
Maybe, 100 per cent. I guess by some precedent our next president will not even be an American or required to live in the US. Maybe… the queen of England? The horses are out of the barn!!!!

Thanks for your effort. It was as enlightening as it was well written. Of course it will go in one ear of the Birthers and out the other, leaving not a trace to deter them from making the same discredited argument the next time the subject is broached.

You could present video of Obama being born under a palm tree in front of Maui court house with the Governor of Hawaii as midwife and they still wouldn't believe he was born here. The birthers investigation into Obama's birth certificate is not really what they are concerned with. The real problem is there is a BLACK MAN in the white house. They should have their voting rights revoked because of stupidity.

Then they will invoke the Cheney defense. You recall when former President (yes he was too!) Cheney was confronted with facts and truth, he simply sneered “I don't think that's right” and kablooie – it went away.

The above is meant to reply to Antibirther's great post on the Supreme Court ruling on natural-born citizens.

Kablooie – the birthers will go away?

LOL

Well of course, if Don Ho isn't singing “tiny bubbles” in the background, then its fake.

Damn! I forget Don Ho!!!

it does not prove that barry soetoro is a natural born citizen jughead

yawn

What a crock o shit! Have people gone crazy? Just keep whipping up the birthers and teabaggers with lies, keep it going. That's right….start civil war. That's what we need. What happened to pulling together to get the country on the right track? Whatever it takes to regain power. That's all that counts, not what's good for this country or her people.

Did anyone ever question John McCain being born outside the US? Don't think so, these people need to get a life!

Once Obama shows the State of Arizona his birth certificate yet again I wonder if they will ask Senator John McCain for his US Natural born birth certificate? This is getting silly and if looks require a person to prove their citizenship because of race Rep. John Boehner might be in big trouble because he is sometimes darker then Obama.

Except that it's totally unenforceable.

What is the issue? If Obie was born in the US…show us the paper work…if not get out.

AZ… competing with VA for “Neanderthal State Of The Decade”

Does Shirley U. Gest write your material for you?

Always like to put this one out there whenever this subject comes up.

Sure, Hussein’s backstory didn’t stand much scrutiny. Sure, none of our finest Finemans ever explained who backed the Quisatz Haderach’s remarkable glide from Punahou to Occidental to Columbia to Harvard to Chicago to the state senate to the U.S. Senate to the White House. True, there was some oblique acknowledgment of his family’s radicalism, his strange mentoring by a Communist, Frank Marshall Davis, his admitted drug use, and the curious case of the editor of the Harvard Law Review who never quite managed to publish anything, although he probably shot plenty of hoops.
David Kahane

He's not Black. He's both!

How utterly shameful & embarrassing.

Only when he puts on too much makeup

YEA, suppose President Obama had been born in the Canal Zone.

It's been shown. Time for you to leave. There's space on a plane out of Gatwick to Tehran; seat has your name on it. Your apartment is furnished and waiting for you. They are also providing you with an auto: Lada, Pribluda, Ziv or Chaika. Take the Ziv.

OKAY! Forgeries are possible, but not when the federal government is vetting a candidate. This is a closed system and can be requested at any time. SarahP A$$ could never pass the mustard. Not that I am saying anything to the contrary about her birthright, but her background check would never fly. Give it up, you bigots! Obama is as American as they come. This birther crap has to end! Pick on Sarah's antiAmericanism. She needs to go live in a third world country where women still wear stays (whale bones) and are chattel. Saying that she as an original idea in her head is like filling a gremlin (the car) with sugar water and then stealing it.

How short memory those Rethugs have. It was just a few short years ago that they wanted to change the constitution so Ahnold could run for President. It was really serious. They thought it was time to let somebody born outside the US run for President. Especially if it was a Thethug.

Of course. In OUR———I mean THEIR WHITE.HOUSE. CLINTON'S OCCUPATION OF IT STILL NAGS THE HELL OUT OF THEM. And he is about as light as they ever come.

“Phoenix Democratic Rep. Kyrsten Sinema said the bill passed Monday is among a handful of legislative items that are making Arizona “the laughing stock of the nation.”…….don't worry, you've got a way to go before you catch up to Texas, South Carolina, Georgia etc.

Thanks, Arizona for taking the heat off Texas, because of our knucklehead, secessionist Governor Rick “Look at my Pretty Hair” Perry.

Actually, I think this was the right thing to do. A person who is not a natural born citizen is not qualified to become President of the United States. If Obama was not born is the United States then he should not be president. It's as simple as that. No exception should be made for anyone-unless they wish to amend this mandate which was implemented for a good reason.

Obama has not only the birth certificate problem another one is he likelihood the first senator seat buyer in America. If Illinois Governor was try to sell Obama's senator seat there is no doubt that the first senator seat buyer in American history should be Obama. After tenure of his office he has to face the greatest indictments in Supreme Court for that.

The Cardinal's description of the Arizona immigrant law, “retrogressive, mean-spirited, and useless,” is a valid description of today's Republican Party as a whole. There is little they have to offer these days that does NOT answer to that description.

That is true, however, the tea baggin' racist would never consider Obama or any other person of mixed race white. Can you imagine if Obama insisted on being called white? The right wing would implode. According to them a pure race is the best race…..well as long as it's white race. I'm sure not one of them even acknowledges Obama”s white mother.

heard the fraud has only shown the short form and not the long form. heard the fraud in chief has had his graduate, undergraduate, h.s. records sealed. so much for transparency….

It seems the “nuts” have shifted from Southern California, East into Arizona. Or else too much sun has baked the brains of the GOP in Arizona…either cause does seem to point to the fact that the Party of No has once again flipped its lid. What do you expect from a once proud party of Barry Goldwater to become a regional force that caters only to the extreme element of the far Right. Goldwater, must be spinning in his grave!!!

You are so right! Can you imagine … Rahm Emmanuel telling mcconnell this president is as white as you are?

How about a directive from the Chief of Staff instructing the POTUS Staff to refer to the President as Black & White in all communications. Get Pelosi & Reid to sign on as well.

Gawd I'd love it!

I can see some kind of federal proof of citizenship; but state requirement, that's just Republican Tea Bagging foolishness. No American would object to one federal standard; indeed, most of us subconciously believed there was already some type of federal check in place. If not most Americans would have no issue with instituting a federal standard. The matter of 50 different states legislating requirments for federal candidates doesn't even sound reasonable. Oh sorry, I forgot we're talking the GOP.

["We don't buy bird dogs and we don't buy horses without papers," suggesting Americans should expect documentation from the president. ]
The majority ov comments on this article are moronic. No wonder America is so #$$# up.

Yeah I would have like to been the guy with the fly swatter while you were on the wall.

Stop complaining about your politicians in Arizona,you all keep electeing the dummies and then you all can’t seem to understand why your state is becoming a laughing stock to the rest of us.

when the hell are you people going to realize race hasn’t got a damn thing to do with presidental eligibility rquirements ? NOWHERE does it say natural born citizen, “except”
I can prove I am a natural born U.S. citizen, can you prove you are ? if not, don’t run for president, and I don’t care about you’re heritage…… meet the requirements or don’t drive the car !

This was already done by Obama 3 years ago! Good God, there's dumb and dumber and these people exceed even that limit.

For God’s sake. Leave us alone.

.Hawaii and the hospital where President Barack Obama was born are so sick of being inundated with request after request to see President Obama's birth certificate that they are passing a law to prevent having to show it again, and again, and again.

Worry about the real issues people. This 'Birther” movement is so old and downright stupid, that to continue on with it when there are real issue's to busy yourself with; things that you can do to better your life as well as the lives of others, doing thing that really matter. So quit with the shouting and the name calling and these silly witch hunts you all seem to be on, and get on with your lives. These acts are non-productive, at least in a positive way.

Say how about trying to make the life of one child better?; which could happen if one were to spend a third of the time at such an endeavor as those who are into the Tea Party, Neo Nazism, and other radical leaning groups are doing as they go running about shouting and getting up in arms over whether President Obama is a Muslim, whether or not he is a Socialist, whether or not he is a citizen and ,other similar actions.. Get over it and get on with a more productive life.

.Hawaii and the hospital where President Barack Obama was born are so sick of being inundated with request after request to see President Obama's birth certificate that they are passing a law to prevent having to show it again, and again, and again.

Worry about the real issues people. This 'Birther” movement is so old and downright stupid, that to continue on with it when there are real issue's to busy yourself with; things that you can do to better your life as well as the lives of others, doing thing that really matter. So quit with the shouting and the name calling and these silly witch hunts you all seem to be on, and get on with your lives. These acts are non-productive, at least in a positive way.

Say how about trying to make the life of one child better?; which could happen if one were to spend a third of the time at such an endeavor as those who are into the Tea Party, Neo Nazism, and other radical leaning groups are doing as they go running about shouting and getting up in arms over whether President Obama is a Muslim, whether or not he is a Socialist, whether or not he is a citizen and ,other similar actions.. Get over it and get on with a more productive life.

Good God, the stupid, it burns! This screed reads like one of those idiotic lying right-wing e-mails that the wackaloons send back and forth to each other, except with the capital letters and exclamation points removed so as to make it sound sane for posting where normal people will read it.

The comments from the birther fools on this thread are simultaneously offensive, nasty, and blindingly, mind-numbingly stupid. Somewhat entertaining, sure I guess, but mostly just stupid.

Good grief, how can we possibly call ourselves the United States of America with a straight face? Obviously the wingnuts have absolutely no respect for American democracy and majority rule. Try to imagine the howls and screams of the right wingnuts if Bush had been treated this way. Try and imagine the outrage of the whackjobs if a single Democrat had questioned the integrity of that biggest Republican liar and fraudster, Dick Cheney. These people are over the top and should be treated as treasonous.

Federal law supersedes state law.

This is a racist move by racists and white supremacists in Arizona!

***VOTEDEM2010***

The Fourteenth Amendment was ratified on July 9, 1868. It confers US citizenship on all people born in the US. Thus, Obama was a US citizen at birth, because he was born in Hawaii, as state officials there have repeatedly attested. He is a natural-born citizen by virtue of his actual birth in the United States. Hawaii became a state on March 18, 1959.

Puh-leeze – The qualifications of O’Bama to be President will not be allowed as evidence at trial. The qualifications of the convening authority are presented, not the President. Items in mitigation are defined by the trial Counsel, not the defendant.

Personally I would severely limit what could be presented. Because I have a bias here, I would recuse myself.

All of this sturm und drang over settled issues is racist belief … as simple as that is to me, it is still an issue to those too simple-minded to accept facts. Someone here put it in purely republican’t terms: O’Bama won by 10 million votes; get over it!

Oily Titz and the rest of the birther parade are merely stray dogs barking at the moon. Using the current standard of the Supreme Court,Oily Titz doesn’t have ‘standing’ to bring these issues to a court. Since she doesn’t qualify to be present, she isn’t ‘injured’ and has suffered no ‘damages’ subject to repairation by a court. Even more simply put … she has no greivance to be redressed.

Methinks the sun is burning out their brains out there. Arizona is well known for this type of absurdity. They appear to be holding their own where stupidity is concerned. It also horribly smacks of racism, which is unforgivable.

Right…because your FATHER was a citizen of the US, you are a US citizen…although you may have a path to Russian citizenship. If your MOTHER is a US citizen and your father is British, you would have dual citizenship and a path to Russian Citizenship. In either case you would be a citizen…not a natural born citizen…there is a difference which is why it was codified.

He was a “citizen”, but not “Natural Born Citizen”. Since he had dual allegiances at birth, his citizenship would follow the father and it therefore arises out of legislation and is not “natural born”.

First point — President Obama *did* provide reasonable proof of citizenship. And won the last election. Everyone here, try very hard to process that, then try even harder to get over it. This isn’t a “librul conspiracy”, it was just a regular presidential race between two fairly mediocre candidates… One of which (the guy we elected) was more likely to run two concurrent wars rather than three. In that one respect, we did okay.

Second point… I don’t believe that the US “recognizes” dual citizenship. They either see you as a US citizen or they don’t. A friend of mine has dual Italian/American citizenship, and said that the US gov’t wouldn’t recognize his Italian citizenship (which he needed to do some work for some outreach program) unless he renounced his American citizenship, which he wasn’t about to do.

If you’d like a complete run down on why this whole “birther” stuff is nonsense, trust the nice folks at snopes : http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

Obama has a copy of his certificate of live birth. It was in his Chicago headquarters and is viewable online. The birthers are not satisfied with this. What the birthers want is the ORIGINAL, CERTIFIED certificate of live birth, which states keep permanently in their records. This is what Hawaii will not produce because they don’t part with it for anyone, not even the birthers.

Of course people have seen the original of Barack Obama’s birth certificate. They are the Hawaii state officials (apparently including a Republican governor) who stated publicly that Obama was born in Honolulu. I suggest you go to the state in which you were born and ask for YOUR original birth certificate. NOT a copy, but the original. (I have copies of mine; I do NOT have the original, which is a permanent part of state records.) Go and see how easy it is to get the ORIGINAL. Then come back and let us all know how successful you were before you stop flinging insults.

That’s right. We’re no longer a nation of immigrants. We’re a nation of guns, ammo, incredibly powerful corporations, and a fascist media that wants YOU to be distracted by the illegal immigrant issue while the big banks and a multi-national corporate trade policy rob you blind.

yeah you can explain how ‘a US military base in a foreign country’ constitutes ‘American soil.’ John McCain was born in Panama; therefore he is ineligible to be US president.

Right, because somehow Barack Obama and his handlers somehow fooled the entire electoral process and slipped into a foreign (to him) country and got elected President.
(/sarcasm)

Barack Obama was born in Hawaii 2 years after the US forcefully repossessed the Hawaiian Islands so they could put the 50th star on their flag. Imagine how odd the US flag would look with only 49 stars on it!

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How then, did you become a steeple?

‘likely‘ doesn’t cut it, you old racist coot.

Paint chips, delicious but deadly.

This is one of my personal favorites: the idiots who parade around wielding their firearms whining about the government taking away their Second Amendment rights. They really don't seem to care about the other rights, which were abrogated by the Bush administration. Watching some of the scenes from the rallies on Monday, with the bewigged and becostumed “patriots” wandering around looking like reenactors who missed the bus to Bunker Hill, provided great entertainment but not much else.

That is the term Hawaii uses for “birth certificate.” Get educated, malikk.

Senators and Congressmen are not required to be NBCs (Natural born citizens), only the President.

Same reason why the Governator was allowed to be elected in CA. Arnie was born in Austria.

Obama did release his birth certificate. The State of Hawaii has verified that he is a natural born citizen. Obama did not sign any orders that sealed all his records or documents. Whoever told you this played you for chump and you fell for it hook, line and sinker. Bravo.

Trumps reform school.

As the christers say: we don’t hate you, we hate the crime.

Epoxy.

You sure it wasn’t Cindy “couger” McCain?

It is an issue of what people see. That is why many people refer themselves as being African-American.

…..and mccain passed second from the bottom in class, crashed planes, burned planes, ratted his comrades out and dumped his wife after waiting for his return.. Good role model for you tories.

Get up to speed there gary. Asswipe.

I wonder how they can cover their eyes and block their ears at the same time.

No records have been “sealed.” You people are the most gullible pack of mouth-breathers I’ve ever seen. You’ll buy anything you see on wingnut websites and accept it, without doing any actual checking.

News flash: if ANOTHER Hawaiian Senator ran for President (of roughly the same age), he would have EXACTLY the same type of birth certificate Obama has.

Yeesh.

Unfortunately, as anyone who has really looked at this knows, Hawaii does not have “Vault Copy” Birth Certificates.

Unfortunately, as anyone who has really looked at this knows, the Hawaii Dept of Health has already verified that Obama was born in the state and is a natural born citizen.

http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html

birthers have got to be the absolute dumbest people on the planet.

You’re probably such a chickenshit that you jump at your own shadow, birther.

I have considered moving to Arizona for years. I've grown up thinking of it as a beautiful, exotic southwestern wonderland. No more. Guns allowed in bars, John McCain, a thriving teabagger movement, now this nonsense, all I know is I never hear of anything good going down in Arizona, politically. Go teabag yourselves Arizona, Alaska, South Carolina, Oklahoma, Idaho, Utah…

i would like to know why u are so obsessed with this issue–the only reason for it–is racism–otherwise you would not waste your time. maybe that’s why nobody listens to you. You cries of socialism are idiotic–dummies.

Yes, thank you. In a perfect world–Obama would be a socialist. But sadly, he is a tool. A better tool than we’ve had in a long time, but nevertheless, strongly under the influence of capitalist pigs.

Obama may or may not have been born in Hawaii. He may or may not have been a foreign student at Columbia, he may or may not have college records that need to be hidden, or Indonesian citizenship. He may have gone to Pakistan in 1980 when it was on the no-go list under an Indonesian passport. He may have lost his Illinois law license due to perjury, no one knows why he gave that up–he was a part time adjunct lecturer. One thing is certain, Obama (or Sotero) did issue executive order 13489 sealing all records and inquiries into said records: http://www.fas.org/sgp/obama/presidential.html

By regularly attending church no doubt.

2 years after the US forcefully repossessed the Hawaiian Islands

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What?

I was wondering about the then what as well, but assuming somehow they decide not to accept it. Haven’t see the bill, but I suppose they could try to keep the candidate’s name off the ballot, or, if elected, withhold the electors from AZ. I’m sure it would be some sort of mischief along these lines.

The book “Introduction to the Law of Nations” was written at the end of the 8th century by Muhammad al-Shaybani (d. 804), a jurist of the Hanafi school of Islamic law and jurisprudence.

Are you stating that George Washington was a Muslim?

Yawn.

You are wrong

And you know it, you faker.

This bill accomplishes absolutely nothing. It want can be consider more “red tape,” and it will be a major disappoint when Obama runs for his second term. Let me correct myself, actually this bill will only re-enforce that Obama is a natural-born citizen.

NOW we're talking !
FEDS do nothing to insure requirements unless it is another convenience for them, about time the states and people take action !

Nope, sheeple come from where conservatives are men and the sheep are nervous.

And could you consider dropping this sophomoric bastardizing of the language in your inept attempts at making Beavis and Butthead commentary already? You give dimwits a bad name.

Nope, sheeple come from where conservatives are men and the sheep are nervous.

And could you consider dropping this sophomoric bastardizing of the language in your inept attempts at making Beavis and Butthead commentary already? You give dimwits a bad name.

Arizona: the South Carolina of the West. I avoid both.

When Mexican immigrants sneak into the US, totally non-citizens, then have a child here, THEN get caught and deported, THEIR CHILD IS LEGALLY AN AMERICAN AND USUALLY IS TAKEN FROM THE PARENTS SO IT CAN STAY HERE.

Doesn’t matter that their parents are citizens somewhere else. DOESN’T MATTER THAT THEIR PARENTS ARE CITIZENS SOMEWHERE ELSE.

DOESN’T MATTER!

Can you hear?? DOESN’T MATTER.

Obama was born in Hawaii, ie. the United States. Thus, he’s a citizen. End of story.

When Mexican immigrants sneak into the US, totally non-citizens, then have a child here, THEN get caught and deported, THEIR CHILD IS LEGALLY AN AMERICAN AND USUALLY IS TAKEN FROM THE PARENTS SO IT CAN STAY HERE.

Doesn’t matter that their parents are citizens somewhere else. DOESN’T MATTER THAT THEIR PARENTS ARE CITIZENS SOMEWHERE ELSE.

DOESN’T MATTER!

Can you hear?? DOESN’T MATTER.

Obama was born in Hawaii, ie. the United States. Thus, he’s a citizen. End of story.

The “Long Legged Mack Daddy” seems to be a “fraud” doesn’t he?

http://atlah.org/atlahworldwide/?p=7356

The “Long Legged Mack Daddy” seems to be a “fraud” doesn’t he?

http://atlah.org/atlahworldwide/?p=7356

If the parents are deported, the U.S. does not take the children away.

Sheesh.

If the parents are deported, the U.S. does not take the children away.

Sheesh.

A “Fact” would be production of the Vault Birth Cert. It is Libs that are against facts in this instance.

A “Fact” would be production of the Vault Birth Cert. It is Libs that are against facts in this instance.

Only 995 behind you…Only I am not vulgar…I’ll have to work on that!

Only 995 behind you…Only I am not vulgar…I’ll have to work on that!

I know a good proctologist who can help you with the position of your head.

I know a good proctologist who can help you with the position of your head.

Don’t confuse, as all Libs here are trying to do..”Natural-Born” with citizenship status. A preson can be a duel citizen, but if the other country does not recognize duel citizenship status, neither will the US. If Obama’s adomptive father, Lolo Soetoro adopted him, he attained duel citizenship. Indonesia does not recognize duel citizenship….follow the dots. Give a valid reason why Obama will not authorize the release of the Vault Copy?

Don’t confuse, as all Libs here are trying to do..”Natural-Born” with citizenship status. A preson can be a duel citizen, but if the other country does not recognize duel citizenship status, neither will the US. If Obama’s adomptive father, Lolo Soetoro adopted him, he attained duel citizenship. Indonesia does not recognize duel citizenship….follow the dots. Give a valid reason why Obama will not authorize the release of the Vault Copy?

See above.

See above.

There would be no chance of the state not accepting the COLB from Hawaii. Under the U.S. Constitution they have to.
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Article IV – The States
Section 1 – Each State to Honor all others

Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State.

There would be no chance of the state not accepting the COLB from Hawaii. Under the U.S. Constitution they have to.
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Article IV – The States
Section 1 – Each State to Honor all others

Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State.

Arizona and every other state already has its own filing dates, petition requirements, and ballot access laws.

So Arizona and any other state can have its own requirements, more or less lax, for showing natural born citizenship.

Full faith and credit requires that one, for example, recognize a marriage performed in another state or a driver’s license granted by another state. But it does not require that you have the same regulations for marriage or driver’s or real estate etc licenses in your state in terms of blood tests, or eye tests, or professional licensure exams, or waiting periods, that some other state has for its licenses.

Arizona and every other state already has its own filing dates, petition requirements, and ballot access laws.

So Arizona and any other state can have its own requirements, more or less lax, for showing natural born citizenship.

Full faith and credit requires that one, for example, recognize a marriage performed in another state or a driver’s license granted by another state. But it does not require that you have the same regulations for marriage or driver’s or real estate etc licenses in your state in terms of blood tests, or eye tests, or professional licensure exams, or waiting periods, that some other state has for its licenses.

He’s clearly an illiterate of middling intelligence who knows no economics and was socially promoted out of his depth.

He’s clearly an illiterate of middling intelligence who knows no economics and was socially promoted out of his depth.

Many of these people were at Ron Paul rallies, often numbering in the tens of thousands, protesting Bush and the Iraq War before Obama was nominated.

Even silly Rachel Maddow has admitted as much.

Many of these people were at Ron Paul rallies, often numbering in the tens of thousands, protesting Bush and the Iraq War before Obama was nominated.

Even silly Rachel Maddow has admitted as much.

This has absolutely nothing to do with a person political philosophy or belief. This has to do with American law. American law does recognize the situations that a person can become a dual citizen. Becoming a dual citizen has to do with the laws on citizenship from two different countries. Such as bestowing citizenship by ancestry. Anyways, In American law a person born with American citizenship can’t lose it unless they denounce it. Countries that don’t recognize dual citizenship always strips citizenship from dual citizens who are citizens of that country. Foreign laws on citizenship has absolutely no effect on American laws on citizenship.

“If” is nothing but speculation and in no way proof of anything. First, it is not possible to obtain citizenship through adoption, that citizenship a totally different process to adoption. There is little doubt that Obama was born a dual citizenship as he was granted American citizen by being under American jurisdictional when he was born in Hawaii, and through with natural father. However, there is no evidence that would suggest that his natural father surrender parental rights.

The dots are easy to follow; their are those who for various reasons who want to cast doubt on Obama’s natural-born citizen status.

This has absolutely nothing to do with a person political philosophy or belief. This has to do with American law. American law does recognize the situations that a person can become a dual citizen. Becoming a dual citizen has to do with the laws on citizenship from two different countries. Such as bestowing citizenship by ancestry. Anyways, In American law a person born with American citizenship can’t lose it unless they denounce it. Countries that don’t recognize dual citizenship always strips citizenship from dual citizens who are citizens of that country. Foreign laws on citizenship has absolutely no effect on American laws on citizenship.

“If” is nothing but speculation and in no way proof of anything. First, it is not possible to obtain citizenship through adoption, that citizenship a totally different process to adoption. There is little doubt that Obama was born a dual citizenship as he was granted American citizen by being under American jurisdictional when he was born in Hawaii, and through with natural father. However, there is no evidence that would suggest that his natural father surrender parental rights.

The dots are easy to follow; their are those who for various reasons who want to cast doubt on Obama’s natural-born citizen status.

More made up B.S.

keep it up, Brucie.

More made up B.S.

keep it up, Brucie.

Once again you fail.

The Full Faith and Credit clause of the U.S. Constitution required that the state of Arizona accept any official document from another state.

Thus the state of Arizona has to accept the Hawaiian COLB as proof that the President was born in Honolulu.

You lose, birther.

Fail

what’s with you repugs… SO Fascinated by RAPE…

You morons are so amusing. You are the same 200 people (and dwindling) who watch Keith Odorman and other such Leni Refeinstahl productions.

Old red diaper babies who know are red depends gimps.

“Retrogressive, mean-spirited, and useless” pretty much covers these people — teabaggers, Republicans, gun nuts, birthers, etc.

President Obama is the one who signed the law recently allowing wackjobs like yourself to bring loaded firearms into state parks. If he hadn’t signed that law, you wouldn’t have been allowed to bring your guns to the Virginia protest. So please do tell how your ‘freedoms” have been taken away, exactly?

You people are either pathetically misinformed or willfully ignorant. And I’m not sure which is worse.

Please quit insulting the turnips.

He has already released an official copy of his birth certificate. It has been examined and found to be valid. The birthers choose to ignore it because they do not want to believe he was born in the US. So, no matter what is shown or released they will still say it is a fake. It does not pay to argue with idiots. Don’t you think Obama has a passport too? How do you think he got it?

Wow… so you are racist. Not every illegal comes here to “rape our sisters, kill our fathers, sit in our prisons, sell dope to our brothers, and put the hospital bill on us.”

That’s the most pathetic accusation I’ve heard towards illegals. They come here for a better life because America (the country you’re so fucking proud of) has FUCKED up every other country on this planet, ESPECIALLY Mexico. Read your history. If you think about it, your great ancestors were once illegal citizens in this country because they were doing the same thing, coming here with the promise of a better life. And if you’re so concerned with having so many illegals in this country, why aren’t you going after the corporations that hire them? Oh, wait, that’s right. You don’t want to do the dirty work in this country (meat packing, gardening, fruit picking, street cleaning, garbage pick-up, etc, etc, etc…) because you want the easy, well paying jobs and leave the dangerous, dirty, low-paying, and non- unionized jobs to those who are EXPENDABLE in your mind. Illegal immigrants are nothing but collateral to this country and when one gets caught, arrested, or killed doing their dirty jobs there are always more to replace them. This is what our great nation has become…

I am not a “Birther” I am an “Adopter” God forbid that the law requires a candidtate for president to produce the same documentation to run for office, that we all had to do to enroll in school, play Little League Baseball or drive a car!

The true Birth Certificate will show that he WAS born in the US, but that his correct (adoptive) name is Barry Soetoro and that he was adopted by his mother's Indonesian husband, Lolo Soetoro, and raise issues about his citizenship.

How else to explaine the refusal to release the real “Vault” copy?

I've had to show Birth Certificates for little league, I'm a bit confused as to why a Presidential Candidate shouldn't have to show this. Who cares what the Birthers think, Obama has a birth certificate so this is no problem. This is not a big deal.

How amusing that you air headed quislings think that some government officials saying they saw proper documents would satisfy people who are not little robots like yourselves. And that you think that one of these bureaucrats being a Republican will end the questioning of a president whose every word is a lie, and who has spent $2 million in legal fees to seal and hide his transcripts, client lists etc etc. And who only released a list of which lobbyists are visiting the White House when he was forced to do so by a law suit from the “progressive” group CREW.

You are truly the same kind of little mindless statist vermin who run the death camps and rape camps for fuhrers around the world.

Can states interfere with federal functions? I don't think so. The federal government typically trumps state government. I don't think this is going to stand up in court. But in the meantime, Arizona can look foolish, bigoted and fascist to the rest of the nation and risk the wrath of liberal-minded tourists who don't live there but vote with their tourist dollars.

Yes, “natural-born,” but not necessarily a citizen. See above.

Talk to an adoption expert.

Unfortunately, as anyone who has really looked at this knows, Obama has refused to release his “Vault Copy” Birth Certificate.

Unfortunately, as anyone who has really looked at this knows, Obama has refused to release his “Vault Copy” Birth Certificate.

A Certificate Of Live Birth is not a full Birth Certificate.

Don't be mad at the black fellah, you dumb Arizona lily-white crackers, he hasn't done anything t you… Wall Street stole everything from you and your pathetic formerly respectable country, why aren't you going after them?

Race card alert! The volcano in Iceland is racist. It is spewing out black smoke and ash, causing problems. Need we say more?

Sorry, BHO did sign executive order 13489 sealing all records and banning all searches of records, surprising the EO is not secret, but it’s still public record: http://www.fas.org/sgp/obama/presidential.html

In 1789, “well regulated” meant being accurate, able to hit your target, reliable. Not regulated by some law. The right “of the people shall not be infringed” is the key phrase.

Back on topic, look up Executive Order 13489

“Obama” is a citizen of Indonesia.

You’re a moron who looks to justify his preconceptions rather than look at reality and then develop opinions.

The incarceration level of Illegal Aliens is LOWER than that of US Citizens. LOWER.

This will shock you because it’s reasonable and logical.. but people who risk their lives to illegally cross into the US tend to keep their heads down so they don’t get jailed or deported. They’re here to work and send money back to their families.

Are there violent illegal Aliens in the US? Yes. Are they more dangerous than your english speaking natural born neighbors? No.
Unfortunately, by your litmus test, American Citizens should be first on the deportation list because we’re far more violent.

Sahme the GOP and the nation’s best lawyers did not hire you before Obama ran so he could be kicked off the ticket. I guess they never considered this an issue as you have done. Just goes to show you that the top minds running McCain’s campaign and the GOP lawyers are not nearly as bright as you are. Now tell us about 9/11, alien chips in our butts, and the elders of zion.

Wrong, look at http://www.fas.org/sgp/obama/presidential.html which not only seals “Oboma’s” records but also seals Bush’s records as well.

I could call myself African-American too. You would not believe me. In 65 years, my parents and siblings are the only white people I’ve seen with my surname.

So what – I’m who I say I am. Wrong.

We are what people see because the stupid ones of us are ‘in charge’. 3 or 4% of ‘Murkanz’ are Tea-leaf-smokrz and they dominate news cycles, policy discussions and access to donors.

Tell them he’s white! As white as he is black!

Oh for Christ’s sake, who told you that….? Your kindergarden teacher..? the voices inside your head..? The voices inside Glenn Becks head..? News Max posted Obama’s birth certificate as well as many other news sites (its still posted in their archives)…Did you ever see Ronald Reagan’s, George Bush’s or even John McCains birth certificate posted any where…? You damn ignorant as*hole..come to think of it I have never seen your birth certificate..maybe you are a German fascist, or a Communist spy..? Let’s see your papers…!

McCain was not a natural born citizen either, despite the Senate’s lame attempt to make his out of country birth constitutional. This circus has gone on long enough. No wonder the first Brigade of the Third Infantry is to be called up for domestic disturbances(riots/unrest/revolution) this October, just before the “elections”. http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/21987

Google up “Perkins v. Elg”

A minor child CAN NOT lose his or her status as a natural born U.S. citizen.

Fail.

Correctly stated, it is This United States. There is one United States. This is the other issue settled by the Civil war, which incidently was not the War between the states. The Civil War was between the Confederate States of North America and the Unites States of America.

A contradictory argument. How unsurprising. You said “I have an official copy of my birth certificate. It was required of me to get a passport. A “birth announcement” would not have been accepted, nor anything else or anyone “vouching” for me.”

“copy”

Obama has produced official copies of his birth certificates. You can go to any number of reputable locations including factcheck.org to see the official copy of his birth certificate, one certified by the State of Hawaii, the one that is the official document for proof of birth and citizenship. By the letter of Hawaiian law, Obama has provided ultimate proof of his citizenship.

The Birthers don’t care about an official copy. The want to see the original birth certificate that is vaulted.. the one that it is illegal for the State of Hawaii to remove to show the curious.
But they wouldn’t care about the first certificate because they live in a fantasy land where they will never accept a [half] black guy as their President. He’s not one of them [a real [white] American. Documentation doesn’t matter because they are so determined to be right that they wouldn’t believe it’s authenticity. It would be a bizarro-Shroud of Turin moment. Their faith is so strong that it doesn’t matter whether the authenticity was verified, they’d always believe it was fake. There’d always be one more test. There’d always be one more nut case who’d want to hold it in their hands, to examine, to clip a corner off for carbon dating, most likely to destroy. Who in their right minds would ever pull the original document and put it physically into the hands of some nutcase like Orly or Victoria Jackson?

.. and if they have the right to demand physical access to this document, who doesn’t have the right to access? Don’t think I’m conflating the importance of the documents but would such a precedent mean I personally have the right to handle the original Constitution if I claim it’s a forgery and thus our government if invalid?

I’ve posted links to proof before but it’s pointless. Their minds will never allow them to believe he’s a citizen because they hate him so much he MUST be illegitimate. They’re the ultimate crybaby losers. It’s THEIR country no matter what the electorate says. Could anything be less American?

Regarding being President. Doesn't the Secret Service investigate you at sometime to determine if you are qualified to be President of the United States? You know “checks your papers”.

Read the SCOTUS opinion in the case “Perkins v. Elg”.

Obama could have been adopted by Nikita Kruschev himself and it would have made absolutely not difference as to his status as a natural born citizen of the U.S.

yea, that’s not at all racist.

In Hawaii, there is no such thing as a “Vault Copy.” In Hawaii, the official state record of vital statistics is an electronic database. The COLB is the only allowable output from that database.

Fail.

In Hawaii, there is no such thing as a “Vault Copy.” the official state record of vital statistics is an electronic database. The state only certified birth data on the “COLB” form.

This is the official and legal document produced by the state.

The State of hawaii has only one official form that it uses to produce certified copies of birth records. This is the form commonly refered to as the “COLB.” There is no official “Long Form” used by the state of Hawaii.

You know nothing about birth certificates…you do not get the Doctors hand-signed “hospital” certificate, the hospital will give your parents a copy and send the original to vital statistics, the copy your reciev is not accecptable as identification…it has to be generated by the vital statistics department of the state you were born in, to be acceptable, its only valid to show to vital statistics department to get the state’s legitimate birth certificate, generated by the vital statistics department…I had to turn my Doctor signed “hospital certificate” over to the vital statistics record department in order to recieve the acceptable birth certificate for my U.S. passport…doesn’t matter you about truth you have a personality disorder when shown proof you would still deny it..thats called either a personality disorder (racism,perhaps?) or a mental disorder..(that probably happened, when your Mother and her Brother, made you)

Wow, some people will believe anything. That’s absolutely hilarious.

But it shows how easy it is for corporations to manipulate some people.

Not only that, five minutes’ research on the Fulbright Program web site yielded the following information:

1. Fulbright Scholarships for Kenya are intended for researchers, scholars, and graduate students for 1-2 year programs at American institutions.

2. They are NOT available for students planning to practice law in the United States, or for students planning to live in the United States. This is to ensure that Fulbright students go back to their home country instead of remaining in the United States.

3. The most popular Fulbright programs for Kenyans are either teachers of a foreign language or engineers.

4. Fewer than a dozen Kenyans are admitted to American institutions under this program.

Since Barack Obama did not study to be an engineer or a language teacher, did not settle in Kenya after graduation from either Columbia or Harvard, and in fact went on to pursue graduate studies in a field that the Fulbright program does not fund, I would say that this rumor is, like so many other birther “arguments,” a big steaming pile of horseshit.

So the citizens of Arizona are actually OK with these representatives drawing a paycheck??? I'd think a recall would be the next order of business if my state reps did this.

So the citizens of Arizona are actually OK with these representatives drawing a paycheck??? I'd think a recall would be the next order of business if my state reps did this.

Skipped your meds today have you?

Arizona has become the kind of state I have no interest in any longer. For 3 years I have studied various places to move my company of 50 people. At first, Arizona was on the top of my list. Now, they are not on the bottom..they are off the list. Not only will I not move my company there but I will do everything in my small ways to NOT support other Arizona products or companies. I won't even stop for gas if I can help it. Next time I drive west I will take another route as I frequently visit California.

1. Why, yes. You certainly are wrong about everything you’ve posted here.

2. The President has spent, at most, a few thousand dollars filing replies to frivolous suits that are dismissed. The half million was spent almost two years ago vetting Cabinet appointees.

3. There is no such thing as “Vault Birth Cert.” What the President released is the only legal, valid birth record the Hawaiian government releases.

4. College records are not relevant.

5. Fulbright Scholarships for Indonesians (or Kenyans, for that matter) are for engineers, graduate students (NOT law students), or teachers of foreign language. Even better, the recipient of such a scholarship is on a time limited visa and must return to his/her home country at the end of the program. The President not only did not qualify, not being an Indonesian citizen, he didn’t pursue any of the required courses of study AND he did not settle in Indonesia. It is therefore impossible for him to have accepted a dime of Fulbright money.

6. SATS and LSATS are not relevant.

7. The President’s IQ is not relevant.

8. The facts disprove every single contention in your illiterate little screed.

9. You’re a buffoon.

The President was not adopted by his stepfather, since his father was still alive and never surrendered his parental rights.

FAIL.

Wrong.

I’m sure this is based on personal experience for your own severe case of recto-cranial inversion.

Please define “duel citizen.” It is someone who was conceived during or immediately after a ritual combat?

Antibither is correct. Even if the President had been adopted, which he was not, his mother could not possibly have surrendered his American citizenship on his behalf.

Idiot.

…BATTLE HYMN OF THE UNSINKABLE BIRTHERS!
(Sung to the tune of “The Battle Hymn of the Republic”)

Mine eyes have not yet seen
Obama’s birth certificate.
It is in the Devil’s Vault,
Where only God’s Right Hand can get.
Obama’s C. O. L. B. is a
Lousy counterfeit.
It’s truth we’re marching for!!!!

Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
It’s truth we’re marching for!!!!

We shall fight the Masked Usurper
On the beaches, in the hills.
We shall fight this Painted Joker
On the seas and in the fields.
We shall fight to Hell and back
And into court and with appeals.
It’s truth we’re marching for!!!!

Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
It’s truth we’re marching for!!!!

(Author grants permission to reprint on web or in print and to perform in public

The state of Hawaii has legally and officially certified that he was born in Honolulu.

Have you got a problem with that?

OK, so if Arizona can exclude candidates based on this frivolous nonsense then the rest of the country can and should exclude Arizona from the election.

seems fair to me.

Or, we could just give Arizona back to Mexico.

Let's for a moment say that this bill passes and the President has to show a birth certificate in 2012.

Fine. He will present to the state of Arizona the exact same COLB form that he has posted images of on the internet.

You can google it up and look at it yourself.

The state of Arizona would have no choice whatsoever but to accept that form.

then what?

What is the purpose of this bill again anyway?

It continues to baffle me how you “birthers” can be such blithering idiots.

First of all, over and above anything else, do you really think that the Republicans would have neglected to take the President out before he even got out of the starting gate if there was any question whatsoever about his “natural born citizen” status? If you do, then I suggest you know nothing about the Republicans. The Democratic Party also would not have risked a candidate that did not meet the requisite eligibility standards expressly stated in the Constitution.

Let me address your other statements point by point.

With regard to your first paragraph, no one ever suggested that a “birth announcement” was legal proof of birth, nor that an official from Hawaii, sans a copy or facsimile of the original document, was sufficient proof. However, IN ADDITION to the facsimile/copy/representation of the original document certifying the President’s birth in Hawaii, similar in kind to that offered as proof of birth by EVERY COUNTY IN THE UNITED STATES, the “birth announcement” offers additional “evidence” to the skeptical, and the further verbal testimony of an official of his state of birth is a bit of icing on the cake.

With regard to your second paragraph, NO ONE has in their possession, nor can they obtain their original birth certificate. The original is kept in records offices, usually county offices, and, upon request from the proper person, a copy/facsimile/representation, certified as to its authenticity and legality as an official document, can be issued, usually for a small fee. This is standard operating procedure. Again, let me repeat, since birthers seem to be hard-of-hearing on this issue. NO ONE CAN GET THEIR ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE. IT IS ALWAYS KEPT BY THE RECORDS OFFICIALS. With regard to your last sentence, an official from the Hawaiian State Department of Health DID “examine it and identify it” as proof of the President’s status as a “natural born citizen.”

As to your third paragraph, the Constitution requires that the President be a “natural born citizen.” He would not be eligible otherwise.

As to your fourth paragraph, the President has the same rights and privileges, and is held to the same standards with regard to his documentation as other citizens. The document that has been shown on television and which is available on the internet is equivalent to and acceptable as proof of his birth in Hawaii. With that document the President can fulfill any and all requirements for proof of citizenship, in addition to the proof of “natural born” citizenship required by the Constitution for eligibility for the presidency. Are you suggesting that a troop of “verifiers” (cameramen, lawyers, judges, “birthers,” etc.) should be transported – at government expense – to the records office in Honolulu (the county seat for Honolulu County), along with the President or his legal representative (the only ones who can request the document) in order to view the actual document in the file (which in many jurisdictions has been microfilmed or otherwise preserved to save space)? Because that is the only way that the original document can be viewed. Do you have any idea how much the crazy lawsuits, all of which have been dismissed on the basis of lack of standing (meaning they are complete and utter BS and therefore a waste of both time and money) by district courts and the Supreme Court of the United States, have cost the people of this country?

As to your paragraph, WHAT is law? And I would suggest that you and your fellow birthers are the ones who need to “deal with it.”

The point is that many people of mixed African-European ancestry have been and still are only recognized by their African heritage. It an reaction that should be removed from our society. This obvious includes mixed African-Asian ancestry along with other. However, there are some who just don’t understand this since they view it as not being part of their heritage.

Proof of citizenship by birth, natural-born citizenship is an American birth certificate. That is it. Obama was born in American thus he is a natural-born citizen. He could have been adopted 20 times and it would change the fact that he is a natural-born citizen.

No doubt that the real purpose of this bill is to satisfy the birthers.

However, it seems that a Presidential candidate gets to show less identification than a kid joining little league, any bum getting a driver’s license, to apply for welfare, to get a supermarket job, etc.

You don’t have to agree with the birthers to see that this is rather strange. Most of the people under him have had everything minus a body cavity search to get their clearances, and the guy with access to the nuclear codes doesn’t have to show a birth certificate?

Yes, but an adoption can change citizenship.

Adoptive name? That is the most confusing thing I have even read. The act of a persons parent doesn't change that individuals natural-born citizenship status.

Antibirther, thank you for the reference of “Perkins v. Elg”.

Antibirther, thank you for the reference of “Perkins v. Elg”.

You're a lunatic. Obama has spent nothing whatsoever “hiding” his records. Most court “challenges” have forced the plaintiffs in these frivolous suits to pay all court costs. But pinheads like you believe the Supreme Court, Congress, Hawaii, the CIA, and everybody else is helping a “usurper” get away with taking over the country.

He's a natural born citizen, one of the smartest men to ever hold the office, and you cretins can go pound sand.

Ummm… yeah. They do.

morans

TRANSLATION: Every point have tried to make here has been shot down with facts and logic. What can I do to best express my fear and frustration? I know, I will post something that makes no sense and has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Only if you APPLY to change citizenship, i.e. renounce your original citizenship and naturalize as a citizen of the new country.

Neither of which our dear President did.

He's utterly legitimate, and a loyal American.

Get over it.

Unsurprising that a retarded kid-toucher like you can't even write a coherent sentence.

Why do you hate America?

Take a few minutes and read this

http://supreme.justia.com/us/307/325/case.html

then we will talk.

Dumb.

You liberals ought to start posting facts. If you're going to start quoting folks about Nazis you should at least post that they were socialists. Also, what country allows another country to just push their borders over, run drugs in without any military force applied; letting their armed robbers, rapists, and drug pushers just rove in to kill, rob, rape, and set up their drug business. Daniel Tencer smoke another one, buddy!

Bullshit for the fifth time.

“The Left has moved to the right, and the Right has moved to a mental institution.”

As neither a democrat nor a republican, I say show the damn thing. That would stop this right this minute, unless he doesn't have proof.

For someone that is so concerned about facts, you seem to like to play fast and lose with them. Socialism is the idea of a classless society, Nazis society was very class-oriented with warrior and leader as the highest class, and jews and workers as the lowest class. Also if the Nazi’s were socialists, they would have been allied with the USSR. Yes, the Nazi’s called themselves socialists, but they co-opted the name only to appeal to the socialists feelings that were popular in post WW1 Germany.

I'm not a democrat or republican. Obama is not better than all of us who have to show a birth certificate for multiple reasons. He can end this controversy immediately by showing an original, not a photocopy, of his birth certificate. Unless of course he doesn't have an original.If this was a republican all of the posters on this site would be foaming at the mouth demanding a birth certificate, but as is usual with partisans, they identify with their candidate and not their country or what is good for it. Winning the election is the end for which any means are okay.

youre an outrage. i think you were dropped on your head as a baby

and youre a closet case

american mother. natural born citizen. case closed

I had to present mine in 1975 when I got my first DL. It was and I believe still is a requirement in the state of Colorado. When a DL is accepted as proof positive, it has to be backed up with something, and in this case, it IS a BC.

He showed the original certified copy, in other words the document he recieved from Hawaii.

There are pictures of it on-line.

Let's say that thei bill passes.

All he has to do is to give that exact same document to the state of Arizona and they will accept it. They have to. It's part of the U.S. Constitution.

Then what? What is the point of this bill anyway?

He did, two years ago. If hasn't stopped the birther nonsense so far.

Well someone had to tell the truth.

TRANSLATION: I know calling oneself a Birther is not something to be proud of, seeing how the facts don’t back up our claims and we have lost every time we have gone to court to force the issue. So what I will do is change the term all the while pushing the same agenda, which is still completely void of facts and is not at all based on reality (facts and reality are liberal) Of course I know that be it Birther or Adopter, the motivation is still the same; fear, frustration and hatred over the fact that the majority of Americans have rejected my values.

This is the looniest one yet.

Gawd, I’m glad I don’t have this kind of imagination. With an IQ above vanilla pudding animagination like this would get one branded psychotic.

See the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Kentucky. Duel citizens may not hold office there.
On the other hand … the Constitution is quiet on dual citizens.

Bull shit ‘Brown I’s’

THERE IS NO “DAMN THING” TO SHOW. If a guy Obama's age from Hawaii applied for top-secret clearance as a CIA agent, the birth certificate he'd have to show them would be the same exact document as Obama's State-certified COLB which has been posted online and passed every scrutiny to which it has been subjected. The only ones who don't accept it are ignorant pinheads who desperately want to believe he's a Communist Muslim Usurper. That document is accepted by EVERY agency: adoption, driver's licensing, Social Security, the FBI, Immigration, etc. etc. etc.

He has met the requirements for office. GAME OVER.

Yeesh. Some people.

Since the quality of address it a result of prejudice and discrimination – it’s time! Time to come up with a new term to describe blended genes.

So is O’Bama a ‘Zeb’ as George Jefferson argued?
Naghgh – Zebs are football officials.
How about he’s a blend?

What a twit. The Tea Partiers are trying to make every child’s life better, by stopping Obama’s debt slavery where children are sold into future serfdom to redeem Treasury bills that are currently being sold to foreign governments and debtors.

You are slime, smearing such people as having anything to do with your nazi foregathers.

There is no federal ballot access law. There are only state ballot access laws. States decide what you must do to get on a ballot, how many signatures to collect from which voters, registered with which parties, from which counties or parishes, filed by what date, paying what filing fees etc etc. So what proofs of identity or natural born citizenship they require would be a state law as well.

Yes I am aware that cretins like you and Roy T can only call people names, and even that not very inventively.

Good name calling job. Maybe Trollman will bend over for you again.

I saw Obama's birth certificate. What's amazing is that people like you don't ask the most obvious question: What do other people's birth certificates from that hospital look like? But then you don't really want to know that, do you. It wouldn't be good for your fetish.

The same ass hats at tea party rallies griping about “their rights being taken away” are the same ass hats cheering Arizona attempting to pass legislation allowing cops to willy nilly stop and question anyone for any reason because they don't like the color of their skin. And these people expect anyone to take them seriously????

The President of the United states must have a Top secret security clearance. In getting a clearance you must prove that you a Citizen of the united states. You must present documents that prove you are a citizen.

If Arizona wants to ensure that all candidates meet the constitutional requirements to run for office and this law treats all of the candidates the same then it is fair. If Obama has already supplied the necessary documents then he's met those requirements. This issue is a big yawn.

Now, as far as Arizona's immigration policies are concerned. Arizona has gone nuts. I think it is a good time for a lot of people to start boycotting Arizona.

Don't mind her Denny, she wears a girdle that is too tight and it is cutting off the blood supply to her brain, thus causing her not to think clearly.

I think it's great. Voters registered as independents are getting to see the true nature of the modern GOP, which will help Democrats in November. Behind the veneer of propriety and family values lies a slew of paranoid, crackpot beliefs that casts the GOP as an umbrella for every fruitcake out there. I hope these radicals keep it up and even intensify their efforts between now and November. The more party extremists froth at the mouth the better it is for those concerned with actually helping the average American..

I see that you are a Glen Pecker and Flush Lip Job groupie. I sense that you wear shit stained underware also.

What can you expect from low information xenophobes? Racism is seething just below their pitted surfaces.

Showing a “birth certificate” online is laughable. Try applying for a driver's license and telling them to look up your birth certificate on a website. They would rightly look at you like you were nuts and show you the door.

I have no “fetish,” I only want elected officials to undergo the same scrutiny as the rest of us. Your bile is better directed towards the controllers of Mr. Obama (and every other president) who laugh while you defend another actor who pretends to run our country. Unbelievably rich and twisted people pull his strings (Goldman Sachs one of his biggest contributors), and yours, every day by keeping you focused on partisan rants rather than what is going on directly under your nose. Obama is just as right wing as Bush and continues to show his true nature every day. He's not leftist, he's fascist. Look up the definition.

Some people (you) just don't get it!!!

Don’t believe so, the ones being led astray are the ones believing a person would spend millions of dollars to keep their records from being disclosed seem to be the ones with the problem especially after his own grand mother said she was at his birth in Africa,and she isn’t spending millions of bucks to hide any of her past ! , which makes one of them a liar and she has nothing to gain with a fabricated story

No, Tony, it is you who does not get it.

Do you really think that the president posted anything but the actual document he recieved from the state of Hawaii?

Are you that divorced from reality to think that?

If this bill passes and he presented the exact same document to the state of Arizona, they would HAVE to accept it.

So what is the point of this bill?

TRANSLATION: I have nothing to offer but fear and hate. My life sucks, just thinking about how Americans have rejected my values and elected a black man makes me wet my pants. Calling people names is really all I can do. Fear rules my life. I am a coward.

It's not a yawn, Johnny, It's street theater at it's finest with the birthers drooling and spouting off nonsense after nonsense.

Typical evasion. These people want ALL of Obama's records, including transcripts and client lists, now sealed behind $2 million worth of legal work, opened, as every other candidate's are.

That this whole little swamp doesn't have the intellectual honesty to deal with that fact is why you are now viewed by a majority of the public, rightly, as scum sucking quisling filth.

No he would have to show transcripts, clients lists, who payed for his education and all the other records he has spent $2 million to hide.

But you don't have to be a natural born citizen to be a CIA agent or drive or get a social security number. So the analogy is irrelevant.

No he showed a COLB online that was in a format that did not even exist until after 2000.

Silly Leftover. The Tea Party is an ocean and you cannot fathom it. Recent polls show that many of your beliefs are false. Among other things its “members” do not want Palin to be President, and they are better educated than most of you.

Claiming that they believe anything as a group, other than that Obama and Pelosi and Reid should be thrown out of office with most other incumbents, that Obama’s health deform should be repealed, and that taxes and spending should be slashed, shows you to be ignorant and flatulent.

Jim Moran, the anti-semitic idiot Obamunist congressvermin from Virginia?

Yes you should move your company to California. It's a thriving dynamic state. Obama just gave a speech where he said it was the future of the nation, in his view.

Can I inform you that here is no more Soviet union, but I guess you live in the past and you are an old man and totally confused. Don’t feel bad Bruce, seniliaty isn’t all that bad, look at it this way: you sleep with a different woman every night.

Well a brain would be irrelevant to dealing with you, since flushing a toilet is something you can train many pets to do.

I doubt anyone will ever be your bitch unless you can drug their drink. Between the face, the smell, and the low IQ you’ll probably have to stick to hookers.

The “Long Legged Mack Daddy” seems to be a “fraud” doesn't he?

http://atlah.org/atlahworldwide/?p=7356

Actually that was W who sealed his own records. Also got a new Drivers License number nice and clean, as though he were Tony Soprano.
Also has anyone verified that McCain was actually born on the base in Panama? He could be an illegal immigrant himself for all we know.

Irrelevant, the document is an official, certified, legal document issued by the state of Hawaii.

As such, it is legally valid proof of the facts of his birth.

This is the rule of law.

Why do you want to usurp the rule of law?

Are you some kind of un-American agitator or something?

WTF is it with you people?!? Obama HAS provided a certified copy of his birth certificate. The same exact type you had to provide to get your passport. NOBODY has access to their ORIGINAL birth certificate. What you get is a certified copy. What certified means is that the State of birth (in Obama’s case, Hawaii) is declaring that it is a true and correct copy of the original that they have on file, which includes that State’s seal (much like a notary public seal). PLUS others on Obama’s behalf have also provided a newspaper’s announcement of his birth in the vital statistics section–JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER NEWSPAPER IN EVERY OTHER STATE DOES.

Funny you guys didn’t show this much concern about where McCain was born.

There are certainly some issues to be critical of Obama about–BUT THIS ISN’T ONE THEM!!

Get over it!

Can a person possibly be incorrect about every single thing in a post? Obama, or his campaign has spent over $500,000, so far, fighting the production of the Vault Birth Cert and his college records from Columbia and Occidental (Fulbright Scholarship as a foreign (Indonesian) student.

He will not release his SAT scores or his LSATs…there is a reason for this. He has publicly stated that he is not proud of those test results. He is not the smartest person by a loooooong shot. But you are a Lib….don't let facts get in the way.

We hope so.

Rofl. The only reason you airheads can imagine for anything is racism or some other concrete-bound bumpersticker slogan your masters feed you.

You think Obama’s most salient feature is that he is black. This says a lot about you and your lack of intelligence.

They don't seem to have done background checks on any of the Czars.

I suspect you pulled that out of your Obama hole. Lots of foreign born people work in intelligence or the military and have clearances.

More Soviet style psychiatry, medicalizing dissent you cannot deal with. Lobotomize those refusniks; give those feminists valium. Your mommy was apparently a robot in Stepford.

The same Wall Street that gave Obama and the DNC millions more than it does the GOP or independents?

Do you have ANY proof wahtsoever that these claims of yours are ture?

What proof do you have that any money was spent?

What proof do you have that he recieved a Fulbright Scholarship?

well?

we are waiting. . . . .

“Illegal” is a race?

Who gets ballot access on a state ballot is not a federal function. Even the candidates of the two party monopoly have a certain formalities they must comply with in terms of small numbers of signatures collected and filing papers on time (though they save the onerous requirement of tens of thousands of signatures for independent candidates and parties). And these ballot access regulations vary from state to state and are decided on by states. So how would requiring that a candidate demonstrate his or her natural born citizenship be any different from these regulations?

It's a Constitutional requirement. The full faith and credit clause is also irrelevant here, as does it require Arizona to accept Hawaii's rules for Hawaii ballot access for access to the Arizona ballot. Each state already has different ballot access laws. If Alabama adopted a rule that only white men could be on the ballot, or only people who had lived in Alabam for 20 years, etc etc, that would not mean all other states would have to honor that rule for their own ballots.

Obama regime flunkies have spent almost $2 million to seal Obama's records. Anyone can google this information.

You are an ignorant sheeple.

Your documents show citizenship, not natural born citizenship. Passports aren’t granted to you for being a natural born citizen, only for being a citizen.

If Hawaii certifies that you were born alive to a US citizen whose legal residence is Hawaii, that may be evidence that you are a citizen because your parent was, but not that you are a natural born citizen.

The Republicans chose an incompetent candidate for President and fought with their candidate for vice president. They do stupid things all the time.

There was no conspiracy in 1961.

The State of Hawaii sends notices to the papers when it issues COLBs, so both notices appear automatically anytime they certify that a live birth occurred somewhere to a mother who is a legal resident of Hawaii.

Mrs. Obama pretended that Barry was born in Hawaii, whether he was or not, and that he did not have dual citizenship, whether he did or not, to make his life easier and get welfare and school bennies. Not because she was grooming a Manchurian candidate/

You sir…. are an idiot.

Please drive off a cliff whenever you have a chance.

You know your high level of ideation and your erudition and eloquence must be why more and more people oppose your fuhrer everyday. As he and his flak Joe Klein have observed, you people are just too smart to be intelligible to the hoi polloi. Which is why you need those FEMA camps.

Another person who needs to take a long drive off a cliff.

Please do not breed and spread your “stupid gene”

I doubt they need or want you.

Well our plan nearly worked, but you birthers found out the truth.

We have conspired with Muslims and Hawaii since the early 40s to find just the right person to take control.

Drat that the birthers are soooo smart and figured out the master plan.

Now we have to move up the time line and enslave the people and make them all worship allah.

Enjoy bitches

Phoenix, Tempe, Scottsdale, Lake Powell, Ramsey Canyon, Flagstaff, the Grand Canyon — all very nice. Hummingbird aviaries. Please stay away. More for the rest of us.

No, you moron, the “Full Faith and Credit” clause means that the State of Arizona HAS to accept any official, certified documents from the State of Hawaii, no matter what form they are in.

In other words, they HAVE to accept the COLB that has been posted on the internet for 2 years now.

Proof that someone was born, and born alive, and born alive to a parent who is a legal resident of Hawaii, is not proof of natural born citizenship.

I wonder how many people kick your ass after meeting you .

Too bad that every authority in America recognizes that a person who poses an American birth certificate as a natural-born citizen, which include the president.

But a COLB only proves citizenship, not natural born citizenship. So you can credit it for the former, but do not need to for the latter.

When you get a driver’s license you are asked for many things not issue by other states, like utility bills that prove residence. So when you ask for a professional license or ballot access you can be asked for many things beyond proof of citizenship.

1. Let us assume, for the sake of your argument, that Obama was born in Hawaii. Then, as a child he left America and went to Indonesia, where he received Indonesian citizenship (WHICH REQUIRES THE RENUNCIATION OF ANY OTHER PREVIOUSLY HELD CITIZENSHIP). So then at that point he has voluntarily given up his once held US citizenship, which according to law is not supposed to ever be given back to a person who gives it up.

that disqualifies him.

2. His birth name is Barry Soetoro, and there are absolutely no documents to back up the legality of his name change. if this name change was performed outside of the law, this makes everything he signs as “obama” fraudulent and revocable.

this not only disqualifies him, but opens him up to serious fraud charges that if found legit could overturn everything he has done as president.

you can call names and throw insults all day, but these issues are real and we will not be backing off of them. Mr. Soetoro could easily solve all of these debates with a release of the seal on his records, but instead he fights with vigor to keep his past covered up. this is not the behavior of a man with nothing to hide.

you can cry racism, but it’s getting very old. Even Obama himself has come out publicly and said that he does NOT believe that racism is what fuels his opposition.

No, but you are doing your part!

Barrack Obama – President of the United States of America

brucepmajors – President of the Society for the Intellectualy Inept

Conjecture based on nothing amounts to absolutely nothing. One year and a half later with the only thing know is that Obama is a citizen of America by birth, or more simply a natural born citizen.

Sorry, but you’re all being taken for a ride by the media which are the only ones that gain by this kind of divisional crap ! you are all being used and abused by trhis racial bull being spewed that only furthers party line thinking which is what has destroyed America………
realistically consider history….. when Republicans are in power, WE LOSE !,and when Democrats are in power, WE LOSE !……………………NOW, WHO ARE THE IDIOTS ? ?

Don’t confuse these poor unintelligent hateful people with facts. Birthers are nothing but racists and will not be convinced that Obama is the legitimate president. I say tough sh#t. Boo hoo, go cry to your mama. Climb back into the hellhole you call home and suck on it.
The president is black and you birthers are a bunch of losers. Have a great day.

And you are a blend of genes from your parents. So it is hard to understand your point. Honestly, don’t worry about my comment as your wit demonstrates that it is not an topic of interest for you.

“Certified copies” and other stuff are not originals. I got a certified copy because I am an insignificant person. Obama has produced “official copies” of his birth certificates, THAT IS THE PROBLEM. My copy indicated that there was an original existing there, doofuses. Get it? The next step would be to examine the original, by appointment and by court order.

And, I am not running for president. I think if a birth record office got a request for an original to be examined they would have no problem for a presidential candidate. Wow, how hard is that to understand? They are going to say, “no, that is in a vault, protected, so no one can see it?”

And, you assume the republicans are not pleased as punch with Obama, despite the theatrics. He is the most republican democrat I have ever seen. Personally, I think Obama was installed as a fake progressive so he could advance a neo-con agenda. So there. And I’m not the only one.

There is definitely something funny about this. Like I said, many of our defense officials and others are dual citizens of Israel. So? JUST SAY SO.

(And for the other challenged ones, being born on an American base is the same as being born in this country)

I have to say, there is definitely something fishy here. No doubt.

what a waste of time and money for the state of Arizona. I would be ashamed to be a citizen of that state.

You are a racist, and yes you are also the moron. Not to mention a retard, not mentally handicapped, but willfully ignorant. But you better beware, they are coming to get YOU.
The squirrels are not really what they appear and are looking for your nuts!

What they produced, however, for me, was a copy of the original, which could be examined by court order. That is the only reason I brought up passport.

And, just for the record, WHENEVER I SEE AN ENTITY CALLING THEMSELVES “FACT CHECK” OR “DEBUNK” OR “I CAN CHECK THE TRUTH FOR YOU”… right away I think the opposite.

Should be obvious. People had more verifiable reason to question McCain’s qualifications for being president than Obama. McCain being born in a section of Panama that was NOT under US juristiction.
But the birthers rarely address that.

Yes, Arizona, you are a laughing stock. Personally, I think the President should show them his birth certificate, and then demand a public apology from the birthers.

Easy, Dude…

Both parents were native born Americans and on official military orders to the U.S. Military bases in Panama in the U.S. Territory once known as the “Panama Canal Zone”. It has been accepted for since we took control of this territory that like persons born in Guam or the Virgin Islands or in the Northern Marianas Is., they are considered, by definition, native born Americans. Only one of Obama’s parents were native born, and the questions aside from that are what cause this issue to continue to come up. Big difference compared to McCain.

that’s a two way street, enjoy the trip if you can keep your knees together long enough

With the law McCain would not be able to run for president, he was not born in the USA, no question about it!

jeeze…this is quite the thread!…

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ARIZONA REACHES FINAL PAIRING TO COMPETE WITH FLORIDA AS MOST CRAZY BAT SHIT STATE
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Have they seen McCain's birth certificate..? McCain was not born in the U.S. , he was born in Panama…..how do they reconcile that ?…because McCain looks like he is white, rich and a Republican..?

No, out of your mother's

Funny how when BHO signed EO 13489 sealing all records and searches of his records, it also sealed records for former presidents (ie, Bush) as well.
http://www.fas.org/sgp/obama/presidential.html

[...] Apr. 21st, 2010 at 5:27 PM An Arizona lawmaker fears her state is becoming a "laughing stock" after the state House passed a bill that will force President Barack Obama to present his birth certificate before being certified to run for president in the state.Source:http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0420/arizona-bill-force-obama-show-birth-certificate/ [...]

Isn't requiring that “illegal” immigrants have an “alien registration” document somewhat oxymoronic?

So immigration law enforcement is your problem? well the cheery folks at ICE are picking up folk and flying them back to their home countries every day, EVERY DAY
the fact that SOME are eligible for an Immigration status allows some to stay illegally, IF YOU get caught back here after you are deported you are under a 10 year BAN on reentry
ALSO McCain was pro immigration before he was against it?
Which constitutionsl requirements are YOU a birther?
So INDIVIDUAL protections in AZ mean the police can STOP anybody if they are BROWN
I’m guessing YOU are WHITE
TOOL
and thanks for playing

thanks for elaborating for those who didn’t understand, paul. the exemption seems to apply to u.s. military bases of empire or embassies worldwide. thus allowing panama john-john to run.

ah old atlantick, “Fact Check is propaganda” but what you spew and distort and lie about daily on this site is to be trusted. Sorry Your Thickness, Barack Hussein Obama II was born in 1961 in the Hawaiian hospital of record, not in a tent on the sands of the Sahara. Hawaii became a state in 1959. So born on American soil to an American mother = a natural born American citizen.

You are an idiot.

Just as I suspected. The sun in those southern states fries the synapses.

Can Kenyan midwives read an write?

Being a citizen and being a natural born citizen are not the same thing.

The requirements for being POTUS are not the same as those for driving, voting, etc.

Being a citizen and being a natural born citizen are not the same thing.

The requirements for being POTUS are not the same as those for driving, voting, etc.

Being a citizen and being a natural born citizen are not the same thing.

The requirements for being POTUS are not the same as those for driving, voting, etc.

Irrelevant. None of them is in office.

Your evasion just makes you look stupid and dishonest, like your masters. That is why you are being flushed in the polls.

This has been your remedial lesson for the day.

Irrelevant. None of them is in office.

Your evasion just makes you look stupid and dishonest, like your masters. That is why you are being flushed in the polls.

This has been your remedial lesson for the day.

Irrelevant. None of them is in office.

Your evasion just makes you look stupid and dishonest, like your masters. That is why you are being flushed in the polls.

This has been your remedial lesson for the day.

Your fascism is showing dearie. Besides, you are supposed to let your masters use their FCC and their powers to threaten to sue and regulate people to suppress dissent. Your connection to the Borg must be faulty.

Your fascism is showing dearie. Besides, you are supposed to let your masters use their FCC and their powers to threaten to sue and regulate people to suppress dissent. Your connection to the Borg must be faulty.

Your fascism is showing dearie. Besides, you are supposed to let your masters use their FCC and their powers to threaten to sue and regulate people to suppress dissent. Your connection to the Borg must be faulty.

Funny how someone that never read EO 13489 and has no idea what it says feels the need to comment on it like the are some sort of expert.

…BATTLE HYMN OF THE UNSINKABLE BIRTHERS!
(Sung to the tune of “The Battle Hymn of the Republic”)

Mine eyes have not yet seen
Obama's birth certificate.
It is in the Devil's Vault,
Where only God's Right Hand can ge