They guy is a quintessential Republican. Reagan is looking up from hell & smiling.

Let me get this straight. A clearly distraught and unbalanced man commits an act of terrorism against the U.S. and all this turd can do is try to make it about himself and his completely insane idea about getting rid of the IRS? This guy lives at the bottom of an uncleaned swimming pool!

I don’t agree that it was terrorism; definately a criminal act. The guy was clearly making a point in his “manifesto” that it would take a body count to wake up the American Sheep. He did not say that he wanted a body count to terrify americans.

Then again, some of us smell a “divide and conquer” false flag – see http://disqus.com/guest/37d33aeb45138cb0e8d974ac1b8a7031/

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I’m just posting till I find the word thats getting me moderated

Oh, my fucking comment got moderated off some fucking stupid random word again huh? and let me guess, it will never ever show up because this commenting systems is a piece of shit.

I’m just posting till I find the word thats getting me moderated

Oh, my fucking comment got moderated off some fucking stupid random word again huh? and let me guess, it will never ever show up because this commenting systems is a piece of shit.

I’m just posting till I find the word thats getting me moderated

Oh, my fucking comment got moderated off some fucking stupid random word again huh? and let me guess, it will never ever show up because this commenting systems is a piece of shit.

The troops are the terrorists and this piece of shit hasn’t ever covered the war.

“if that‘s not terrorism, then I don‘t know what is. … ” – Really shit face? Really?

I’m alll for hanging these rationalizers of war, obfuscators of truth, by the neck until they are dead and can spread their idiotic stories no more. Rachels’s just there to ignore the war for liberal America, and she’s doing a great job. Her lack of opposition to endless war makes her just as guilty as any terrorist dropping bombs on civilians from on high.

Just like this fucking story and this idea they’re pushing that anyone who opposes the U.S. government is cozy to terrorism

“He did not say that he wanted a body count to terrify americans.”

He didn’t need to say so since he actually provided one. In fact, I suspect he was going for a bigger one than he actually achieved.
One news report suggested he may have stolen a full fuel drum from the hangar area and loaded it aboard the plane, obviously to make a bigger bomb and kill more people, innocent people who just happen to work there.
For anyone to try to spin this as a ‘non-terrorist act’ is beyond the pale.

Go Glenn! Go Rachel!

We have the LAZIEST main stream media; they can’t be bothered to report.

To keep from making a fool of yourself you might want to look up the definition of terrorist.

That’s like not “agreeing” with gravity. OMG, can anyone read AND understand any more?

Planes do not fly into buildings intentionally everyday. We are conditioned to see the act as Terrorism except for that mentally disturbed kid years ago. He wanted to scare people.plain & simple. That’s terrorism.

As far as I know, No “federal worker” died. The IRS like the FED… are both private corporations. The only “federal employee” is the IRS commissioner himself who “oversees” the private company called the IRS. I think Rachel knows this…. or should. As should everyone.

I think “you know” incorrectly. The IRS is part of the treasury department. It is not a private corporation. The Fed IS a private corporation.

Maybe Rachel Maddow likes paying taxes. I’m sure she doesn’t worry too much about paying her bills. I for one can sympathize with Joe Stack. What I haven’t seen, is anyone offering an alternative to what he did. Saying it’s wrong is one thing, what should he have done? Gone to jail, like a good American?

What bothers me is that Maddow goes along with the terrorist scenario while it’s impossible for a small plane to take down a whole side of a building.

http://www.supremelaw.org/sls/31answers.htm

I think you need to do more research. Correct me if this guy is wrong. Although it’s a bit frightening that this is even a discussion.

It’s nice to know our government finds out less about who it awards multi-billion dollar defense contracts to, than most people do about who they hire to repair their car.

The Blackwater company is the modern version of Princes christianity. Small c. You have to wonder just what kind of religious teachings his parents gave him. It matches what passes for fundamentalism in this country. Nothing that comes from the teachings of Jesus. None of these so called christians practices anything resembling Jesus.

Erik Prince and his wealthy parents gave him a twisted version of America and the role of religion in this country. He is a very bad man. Fraud, murder, gun running, prostitution, theft etc. There is no end to his pursuit of power and wealth. If he really did have a belief in god, small g, he surely must be afraid of what comes as his punishment. But he does not believe. And in this life he will not be punished.

He can afford the best lawyers. Like a great many criminals he will escape the law.

Lets not forget…this guy OWNED an airplane. While his manifesto may have struck a chord with those who feel downtrodden, his act is intended to represent the swan song of a man pushed over the line. Boo hoo! sell your plane, pay your taxes, and in the end you’ll live like the rest of us…we make do with a car or maybe just a bike.

Should people who opposed Bush’s war in Iraq flown a plane into the White House? What kind of twisted logic are you using. If you aren’t happy with something in this country, violence and killing innocents is justified? Taxes are the law. If you don’t like that you are free to speak out, protest, vote or leave the country.

Like history has shown: tories are plunderers.

There are as many shell companies associated with the War On Terror, and the financial collapse as there are shells on the beach. The old adage applies here, follow the money, all the money trail. And it will all flow to the same small number of sources, with bits and pieces falling off along the way but still ending up mostly in the same places.

Maybe I’m confused! A few individuals hijack a fuel laden plane and fly it into a building to kill as many Americans as they can. An individual loads his own plane with fuel and flies it into a building to kill as many Americans as he can. What makes one terrorism and the other not? Is it the size of the plane? Is it who owns the plane? The nationality of the pilot? The number of individuals involved? Or the grievance they have against the government? Does he have to instill terror in the whole country or just a subset of workers for the government or just the poor innocent people who watched the plane coming directly at them? Violence to affect change is terror! Plain and simple!

Incredible!! William Ayers was a terrorist, but this guy is a Hero?!?!? Sigh! At least Ayers didn’t kill anyone. The right are in their own little world, aren’t they?

You do realize, Robert, that Stack murdered a veteran. What are you saying? That’s OK? Without taxes, you wouldn’t have a job.

Amen!!! I can’t wait to see if anybody has a pair (ovaries OR bollocks) to investigate their carte-blanche access to NOLA after Katrina, considering how many gang-rapes, thefts, lootings and shootings that these scumbag motherfuckers committed THERE.

And the armed forces are supported by what . . . . ? Oh yea, TAXES!

Start killing a few Blackwater employees and they’ll soon get the message.

“When a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government”

The IRS is a bureau of the Treasury Dept. The web site “supremelaw” is a joke, unfortunately not a humorous one. Just another outlet for a nutjob. There is more BS out there about the IRS and income taxes than the Kennedy assassination and 9-11 combined.

Having watched the Maddow clip, it’s pretty obvious that “our” government employees are just as dirty as the scum from Raytheon and Blackwater, as THEY are the ones responsible for vetting & approving bids from these douchebag corporations. Looks like the entire DOD needs a good, strong douching-out with undiluted clorox and/or hydrochloric acid. THEY’RE the one giving these illiterate THUGS free reign, to do whatever they want with OUR tax money and OUR government’s “approval,” so SOMEBODY in DOD needs to be answering a helluva lot of questions, IN A CRIMINAL COURT.

Blackwater is the prime example of what can go wrong when the government enables and hires large groups of reckless mercenaries that are run by crackpot religious fanatics and have enormous stockpiles of weapons at their disposal.
If the government ever realizes their mistake of dealing with this group and has to apply justice to stop them, they’ll have to serve the warrants with ground troops, tanks and air support.

The Internal Revenue Service is not an agency of the United States government. It is true that not only can it NOT be found in Title 31, but it is nowhere to be found in the entirety of Title 5 U.S.C.

Congress THOUGHT it created it but it didn’t. Just look at the 1100 manual and it tells you so. Congress only created the Commissioner’s Office. He then hired the private collection agency people and used them as the tax collectors. In fact, I defy you to find any IRS employee listed as an Employee of the United States Government with a United States Employee Identification number that has been hired by any District Director in the country. Now I suggest you look at 27 Code of Federal Regulations Section 250.11 and therein you will find the definition of “Revenue agent.” That definition reads “Any duly authorized Commonwealth Internal Revenue Agent of the Department of the Treasury of Puerto Rico.”

I now refer you to the “Secretary” described in 26 U.S.C. 6301. Does it not state, “The Secretary shall collect the taxes imposed by the internal revenue laws?” Yes it does. Now Congress mandated this by 68A Stat 775 and you cannot disagree. Does not 26 U.S.C. state that this “Secretary” may make a return based on the information he has if a person does not make a return? Yes it does. Does not 26 U.S.C. 6001, 6011 and 6012 refer to this “Secretary?” Yes it does.

Now, if the Revenue agent decides to prosecute, he approaches the Attorney General and this “Secretary” as noted in 26 USC 7401 to prosecute upon concurrence between both the Attorney General and this “Secretary,” is this not correct? Yes it is and all the above is undisputable. Is it now contrary to any rational man that this “Secretary” can only be one person and not many.

Now, I direct your attention to 27 CFR 250.11 again for the definition of “Secretary” as found in all the above. The defining term for “Secretary” is, “The Secretary of the Treasury of Puerto Rico.” That man is Manual Diaz Saldana. Those revenue agents operating in all the states are not United States employees. The Statute mandated to be at the end of each regulation by 1 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) is 68A State 775 (26 USC 6301).

I think you are looking a little bit like a nutjob. Seriously… Kennedy and 9-11 happened like “they” said it happened?????? I’m sorry…. that much bullshit is nothing but government propaganda. Easy to prove too, just release the video tapes of the 757 hitting the pentagon and release all the files on Kennedy. If you aren’t a criminal… what do you have to hide???? The government is criminal hence the cover up. Get use to it.

As a Vietnam-era Marine, you took the words right out of my mouth.

This is the most disgusting thing I’ve ever heard.
PEOPLE….how much more of this are we going to take before we stand up and say NO MORE?
No more will they be allowed to use our money to give to mercenary thugs who go overseas and murder women and children. ALL IN YOUR NAME!
Obama has proven himself to be an out-of-the-closet liar. Just like his scumbag predecessor. His administration will be the final nail in our collective coffin.
This country is finished. The shitheads won.

I take it that unless a small plane takes down the whole side of a building, flying said small plane into said building with the intent to kill and maim is NOT terrorism?

You are morally bankrupt. Perhaps you ought to learn what it’s like to fight this kind of fire. Not to say suffer burns over your entire back or be killed by a non-terroristic small plane flying into your workplace.

Braind, After receiving your comment, I emailed an old friend of mine who used to work for the IRS. Here is his response: “Yes, The IRS is a federal government agency, part of the Dept of Treasury. It’s employees are federal employees, however several years back they outsourced some of it’s functions to nongovernmental commercial corporations, specifically processing of lockbox remittances (Mellon Bank, if I recall) and some debt collection processes. The latter was highly controversial and I’m not sure if the practice continues.”

Beautiful.
Well said. It recently donned on me that the media (isn’t it sad how cliche it has become to bash the media, no matter how deserving they may be) totally whitewashed the cold truth of what happened in Falluja.
Quite frankly, I think the families of blackwater filth here stateside could stand to hear some outrage.
If your kid is “over there” under the blackwater flag, I hope for his hasty return to you.
In a sealed box marked “Do Not Open, Contents un-viewable”, just like the families of legitimate soldiers are tortured with every day in this once-great land.

Again to maheanuu, well said. Where is the christian god these days when every time I turn on the news, I get to see images of little, twisted brown bodies being pulled from the rubble? All in your name, all done with your money.

Very good point.
At what point will these blackwater creeps start catching bullets from Americans here when they get contracted to do things like…raid medical marijuana facilities in California?

You screwed up my ending comments re Kennedy & 9-11 wrong, just as wrong as all the gibberish you cited. I never said I supported the “official” stories of the assassination and 9-11. I believe those are the BS, just as “supremelaw.” is. The simple fact is the IRS is a part of the federal government and it’s employees are federal employees. IT’S A FACT! There is a lot wrong with the tax system, particularly it’s shift from progressive to regressive, but attacking it with gibberish isn’t the answer.

He should have paid his taxes instead of signing on to every hair-brained tax evasion scheme to come down the road — like calling his Engineering firm a church and its revenues not subject to taxation.

So yeah – he should have been jailed, but since tax evasion is generally treated as a civil issue unless intent to defraud the government is demonstrated – he wasn’t jailed.

So — pay your taxes — it’s your lease payment for your civil rights. Don’t like it? Move to Iran!
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Lockbox maintenance is back in house. Collections will be again soon. There were too many abuses by businesses. They sought imunity from law under the cloak of government authority to collect other debts before getting IRS its money.

They’ve been busted & I ain’t talkin’ Morgana here!

And you do realize, that I didn’t say a word about Stack, that has already been more than adequately covered here. Most of it guesswork.

You also seem to believe that I somehow still work for the government and am belholden to them in some way. No on both counts my misinformed friend. I am beholden only to my Corps. I work for myself as an investigative journalist and photographer having left the Active Duty Marine Corps after 10 years in 1986, with a discount vacation in Beruit in 1983. Oh yeah dude, nothing but fun in the sun on the beach and 243+ dead Brothers. Surf’s up. And no, I am not on VA disability. Yes I do use VA medical for the Vietnam-Era, and I paid taxes on my military pay, including SSI the entire time I was on active duty, in addition to SGLI (Servicemen’s Group Life Insurance). Accordingly, I would like to have someone tell me now how I, or any other veteran does not deserve that VA medical or the other laughable benefits we “receive.” We paid for it, and a lot of us paid a lot more than others. We do receive though, a casket, a plot in a military cemetery, and a flag. A lot of the time the flag ends up with the VA, there being no NOK (Next of Kin). If our Brothers are informed, they are there to hoist one for us and see us taken care of one last time. Now that is truly something money cannot buy.

Am I in a position to judge any of these people involved in the absence of direct evidence? No, we can only go by what is being reported and if you trust the lying scum in the MSM there is nothing I can say that will do any good other than my OPINION.

In addition, nobody leaves our Corps. Ever. We are an international Brotherhood of Warriors who have fought in every American war -right or wrong – since 1775 and even before the U.S. was officially a country. We are and will continue to be America’s elite fighting force until the U.S. ceases to exist and let me tell you, there’s going to be one HELL of a dustup. You would be surprised at how many of us are sick at heart over what is happening and believe me then I say that there will be an in-house investigation when this is all over and quite possibly a civil war the like of which this world has never seen. So don’t despair… yet. And before you condemn all Marines as bumbling savages (O.K., most of us are) take a look at the roll-call of Marines publicly denouncing these insane, criminal wars. These Marines are some of our finest examples of leadership, courage, honor and self-sacrifice. Being allowed to enter their ranks was the finest thing that has ever happened to my sorry ass.

Robert S. Finnegan
United States Marine Corps
Sergeant
rsfinnegan@gmail.com
Jakarta, Indonesia

I dont know why everyone is making Stack out to be a bad guy. He was just a typical Main Street American that got FED UP. But instead of just sitting back and “taking it” like most of us do, he decided to DO SOMETHING about it. Good for him!

Chad
http://www.true-privacy.es.tc

Bring it the fuck on. I’m sick and tired of hearing civil war threats. Time to shit or get off the pot.

Simple explanation for Neanderthals: him commit crime, him go in slammer.

So, based on your logic, a typical Main Street American FED UP with the machinations of Rep. Steve King, shouldn’t just sit back and “take it”, but instead, DO SOMETHING, like plant a bullet between King’s eyes, or smash his skull wide open on the pavement.

Am I getting you right?

If you think that this a threat you have no idea what the real thing is. By all means, please educate us by tapping into your vast repository of the knowledge of Civil War, and also please War in general.

Thanks mate. Don’t worry about using too much space. It’s all gotta be good, blood.

Robert S. Finnegan

Anyone actually surprised by this? I mean we all know Blackwater was/is corrupt as the day is long.

Chad
http://www.true-privacy.es.tc

Even if in your mind you still think you are a marine, to state so is disengenuous in the least and to not sign as RETIRED is a lie. Do you sign all of your correspondence United States Marine Corps? Wouldn’t that be illegal?

@Robert: “Accordingly, I would like to have someone tell me now how I, or any other veteran does not deserve that VA medical or the other laughable benefits we ‘receive.’ We paid for it” I haven’t hear anyone say you don’t deserve benefits but actually, you only paid for part of it. US taxpayers paid for most of it. And don’t tell me you paid for it by fighting for “our freedom”. I am so tired of hearing that crock of shit. You were fighting for money and power. If you can’t see that you are truely a fool. Re: below- maybe you need to educate yourself about the truth of war.

“We……have fought in every American war -right or wrong.” So that’s okay? To fight and kill other human beings (mostly innocents) in a war that is WRONG. I guess that’s easy if they are nothing more than “collateral damage.”

Oh, and do you also think that all of these fighting fools are heros? That’s another crock of shit I’m sick of hearing. A hero is someone who does something out of the ordinary, not someone who is doing nothing more that what they are hired to do ( in your instance, fight and kill.) The concept of what a hero is has been significantly downgraded since the start of the Irag war.

If a soldier really has balls they will stand up and say, “no I won’t fight in this unjust war and kill cilivlians” that takes real courage!

Freedom Of Speech: Just watch what you say.

Well I’m glad to hear that I miss understood your comments about Kennedy and 9-11. I will take you off my “certifiably insane” list. I agree that the IRS is a federal agency with one federal employee that over sees a private corporation. I have seen no evidence that there are any other “federal employees”.

facts at law: 1. The IRS is not a U.S. Government Agency. It is an Agency of the IMF
(Diversified metal Products v. IRS etal. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.D.I.,
Public Law 94-564, Senate Report 94-1148 pg. 5967, Reorganization Plan
No. 26, Public Law 102-391.)

There is an awful lot of “gibberish” out there. I wonder why that is? It seems like the IRS could clear up this issue quickly by showing us all “evidence” of federal employment. And that their agency was created legally. So far I have not seen anything that proves that they are anything more than a collection agency that illegally “interprets” tax code, subcontracted by the federal government.

Actually I prefer that you remain ignorant. But I hope you get the civil war you’re just dying to fight. Prepare to be surprised.

Of course it’s a threat. You stopped short of incitement to violence like the coward you are.

We are not afraid of you, little man.

I hope nobody’s talking about rolling over but the old Jim Morrison adage of ‘They’ve got the guns but we’ve got the numbers’ doesn’t really apply in the age of ‘acoustic weaponry’ brought to your front door thanks to things like warrant less wiretapping and other FISA goodies.
How can we overcome? It looks to me like they’ve managed to use our fears to put us in checkmate. Welcome to Orwell’s 1984, the whole thing is just arriving a bit late.

Actually, I hope obertsfinnegan gets the mental help he so obviously needs. You asked him one simple question and he goes off on a four paragraph rant that had nothing to do with the question. Definitely unhinged.

He still killed an innocent and frightened a whole bunch of people. He’s a terrorist.

That’s like saying “I didn’t mean to pull the trigger and kill somebody.”

What the hell difference does it make whether the IRS is a fed agency or a private one? What does that have to do with a man being killed? Are you saying it doesn’t count because it wasn’t a fed agency? Does that make him less important? What is wrong with you?

Stack was a nutcase.

Words mean only what we think they mean. I didn’t say it made him “less” important (your assumption)… I was only saying “that being a federal worker” didn’t make him “more important”… and may not even be true. Take a deep breath. The government and media deceives at every level. We have to be vigilant and dig for the turth… because it isn’t obsious. Truth is always simple…. lies are always bible thick. As in someone trying to sell you something.

Actually, I’m not the original poster. But violent-tempered bullies really set me off. I have a pick-on-someone-your-own-size reaction to it.

He needs about 30 Xanaxes a day.

Sounds to me like a return to the Middle Ages – when wealthy barons hired private armies to bludgeon each other to death. I thought the whole idea of democracy was to stop that kind of thing. http://stuartbramhall.aegauthorblogs.com

Hell, that’s nothing. Preston Bush bought into Haliburton Oil well grouting company in 1943 to form a small company whose intent was to defraud the government by war profiteering during WW2. Look where it is at now. Hopefully we can nip this cancer on our society in the bud.

Wow, do you want to try that again? And while you are at it sonny… did
you ever figure out what “maim” is? HA HA! Hey you sound pretty tough,
ready to participate in the next Civil War, so leave your real name and
contact information stud, just like I do.

The rest of your juvenile gibberish indicates a young man, probably never
been laid, taking all that pent up testosterone out on the keyboard. If you
are at least 17 boy, why not go down to the Marine Corps Recruiting
Station? Tell them the same thing, then tell them you want to join up to
unfuck our Corps! HA HA! Jesus….. oh yeah, your mommy and daddy are
going to have to sign if you are under 18, boy.

Now, let’s have that real name and contact info and we will see just how big
those little-boy balls are.

Robert S. Finnegan
Sgt.
United States Marine Corps
rsfinnegan@gmail.com
Jakarta, Indonesia

I don’t have to incite, coward. Go figure.

O.K. stud, if you are not the coward I called you, then leave your real name
and contact information, just like I do. Right here.

What? Cant do that? You have been called out publicly, boy. Name and
contact info. Otherwise, you are just another nameless, faceless, gutless,
anonymous fucking coward, howling out in cyberspace like the pathetic
civilian peace of shit you are.

And barely literate at that. HA HA!

Robert S. Finnegan
Sgt.
United States Marine Corps
rsfinnegan@gmail.com
Jakarta, Indonesia

You evidently don’t know much about wars if you think I’m going to reveal to the enemy where I am. What makes you think I am a boy? You’re such a big tough guy, big macho hero you, but can’t deal with a woman who stands up to you.

I don’t take orders from anyone, least of all from borderline retarded meatheads like you, Sgt Slaughter. You’re just meat, you understand? You do what you’re told.

And I’m just totally illiterate, thank you for educating me. After all, you made it up all the way to the illustrious rank of Sergeant. Way to go. Lotsa book larnin goin on there.

I am indeed a civilian. You, however, are a slave.

And LOL about the “stud” part, you really have me down there! Way to go! Back to the (killing) fields with you, slave! WHIT-TISSSSH!

AH SAY, AH SAY BOAH

Ah, yes…. a shining example of the mental acuity of the fairer sex.
Impressive indeed. So, I would say then that you are irrelevant with regard
to this non-issue.

So, if being free in another country, and make my living as an investigative
reporter and photographer and answering only to myself is slavery, explain
to me how you are free? Explain to me how you are going to be nothing more
than a piece of meat to be had, sold and traded by the combatants on both
sides when the shit hits the fan?? Do you honestly believe that this
superior education that you so narcissistically expound upon will save you
from being fucked in the ass or worse by every male that wants a piece?
Forgive me darling, but you need to be hipped. I normally don’t talk like
this in front of ladies. HA HA! I do so now because I CAN.

Do you realize that even now you are nothing more than the sum of the two
holes between your legs?

If by chance you are in the AO of the Marines when this goes down, you will
be much luckier than you would be if you wandered into the AO of, say, the
Crips. We don’t make it a habit of raping women, but with that smart mouth
of yours an exception might be made just to shut you up.

But that’s O.K. though, right? Because I am just a “borderline retarded
meathead….” HA HA! Not bad but certainly not original.

And now I ask you Wonder Woman, who’s the meat? Who is the slave?

You forgot to check me out first baby, before opening your fucking yap. Do
you know how to use Google? Robert S. Finnegan + Bali Bombings.

Hugs and Kisses Babe -

Robert S. Finnegan
Sgt.
United States Marine Corps
rsfinnegan@gmail.com
Jakarta, Indonesia

Yea, you’d like that, wouldn’t you? You are an ape, a criminal, a murderer, a rapist. You walk and talk like a human, presumably you look like a human, and yet you are not human. You are other.

Again, prepare to be surprised. Yes, my illustrious education will win the day. While you’re out a-rapin’, I’ll be cookin’ up the Sarin. In the kitchen! Also, fentanyl.

Enjoy your malaria.

Ha! I just googled you. You’re even more nutty than I thought, which is saying something.

And baby, I get hipped by a real man. Your dick is probably tiny from all the roids. Ugh. Nothing worse.

Drop me a line if you come this way, there’s a nice Villa on Bali I am sure
you would like to see, and I would like to see what you look like in a
thong. Then you can cook me up a batch of Fentanyl, Good shit. I would
also like to hear from you after you cook up that first batch of Sarin – HA
HA! Now THAT would impress me. Indeed.

You wouldn’t want to go home, as I, unlike you, live in paradise.

Cheers -

Robert
(We should be on a first-name basis, eh?)
021-77-886901

Ha, I knew it was a bluff! Sorry, but I’m taken. Wedding, vows and all that.

Besides, to make fentanyl I’d need a stocked lab, and where would you find one on Bali?

Sarin would be quite a challenge, but the breadth of knowledge between the people I know is just tremendous and I’m sure we’d manage it.

So, sorry and all that but I have to respectfully decline. A nice match, well done. I tip my hat.

-j
PS, I look fucking awesome in a thong.

what a monster. It was as bad as 9/11 but worse because then youre being attacked by your own people. Very scary when people resort to violent hissy fits. And did you notice he had a big house and airplane but boo hoo feel sorry for the rich guy.

See that go to Scottsdale ad in the middle of the story, well write them and tell them that it will be a snowing in Phoenix before you visit their racist state. ¡Que vivan los prietos y que mueran los gachupines!

I've just booked a vacation to the Grand Canyon for my family this summer. Hopefully this will cause these evil little brown cockroaches to scurry back across the border.

You do understand this gives the police at their whim to arrest anyone , white tanned,all brown people and heaven forbid you run from them. They can say your papers are forged, , you look mexican and relieve you of all you posess just on their whim. Who is next on this list of people not afforded human rights………”

Behold: Brit Hume, the bedrock of Fox News journalism. He has deigned to inform us that targeting Latinos for police harassment may cause legal problems.

What penetrating insight…for a jowly, middle aged white boy.

Gee Brent, you think? thanks for your fucking informed insight. What an total douchebag.

An AMERICAN was already pulled over and arrested BEFORE that cvnt governor sign the fucking bill because he didnt have his “PAPERS” and because he has “BROWN SKIN”.

AZ is now officially the douch/scumbag amrpit of the former united states of amerika

I hope you get pulled over and arrested while your enjoying your vacation.

dont get too tanned

I hope you get pulled over and arrested while your enjoying your vacation.

dont get too tanned

GOOD!

Arizona has always been at the forefront of loser, repugnican behavior. I lived there for 20 years and remember when they split the city of Tucson in half in order to get a repugnican elected. Funny thing, though, the repugnican turned out to be gay – Jim Kolbe. A few of AZ's claims to fame: Home of the Sheriff of Phoenix: Joe Arpaio; one of the last, if not the last states to pass the Martin Luther King Holiday; home of that “great” governor Evan Mecham. Great place from which to move away.

It's now time for the Dine',Tohono O'odham, Pima, and other incorporated NA tribes in AZ to use this law to their advantage. It would serve the sunburned porker cops right to be held and detained indefinately when they cross over into tribal lands.

We were stopped by the border police in Arizona last year, despite the fact that we were not near the border and are not Latino. We have dark hair. That's it. Now that the law is tougher, make sure you bring your passports or birth certificates. A driver's license may not be enough under this law. As for us, I doubt we will ever return to Arizona now that this law is in place. We plan to spend our tourist dollars elsewhere and hope millions of Americans who also find this law draconian will stay away, too.

Please. I had to show proof of citizenship when i applied for a drivers license here 25 years ago. I had to show a birth certificate. Plain fact is, you are required to show ID here anyway. And you can't get a drivers license without proof of citizenship. So there's no issue. If you're here illegally, there's an easy answer. Go Home. Quit draining the system.

and btw: I grow my own veggies thank you.

Why dump on one state (AZ) when all the other states have (de-facto tjhe same unwritten) people profiling policies! In the urban areas of most states you won't get away with acting or looking different. Get a tatoo and a tan, and check it out. This hoo-ha is not about civil rights its about the porkers who run the sweat-shops and the money they stand to lose when their discount labor is blocked..

Anybody who has seen the movie “Born in East L.A.” knows how this is going to work out.

Hispanic? Forgot your drivers license? You're screwed.

“Papers, please.”, indeed.

you scared your mexican nanny will get deported

“He has deigned to inform us that targeting Latinos for police harassment may cause legal problems.”

But then according to people like Hume, “civil rights violations” are “reasonable”.

brit hume is scared his mexican gardener will get deported he does not give a shit about mexicans he just likes his garden to look good

I will believe that business owners on a large scale are going to be targetted for hiring illegal aliens when it happens. In a way this is amusing to watch as a Native Arizonan who has watched the disgusting methods used by Republicans for decades in saying they are against illegal immigration while voting time after time to drastically underfund the Border Patrol and Customs Agency. It is hypocrisy on a National scale and now is going to come back to haunt the Republicans as the business people that they relied on for major campain funds are now being investigated, and fined for hiring illegals that the Republican Party helped them to get to the United States in the first place. LOL

Let me guess…. a white suburbanite, never had worry one in that pretty little head of yours, right?

I'm really proud of you for deciding to “educate” yourself, but I have to tell you…. getting “your” opinions from a bunch of delusional right wing lunatics isn't the way to go.

Oh Im sure that hillbilly sheriff Arpaio is loving it.

Lou
http://www.whos-watching.tk

Im not just dumping on az. i regularly dump on OTHER bass ackwurd neanderthal states like virginia, south carolina, mississippi and alabama. or any other state that is trying to reenter the 19th century

Are you required to show your proof of citizenship every time you walk down the street?

Ask some of our African American readers.

Robert S. Finnegan
United States Marine Corps
rsfinnegan@gmail.com
Jakarta, Indonesia

you tories love cheap mexican labor don’t you

If this fucking law survives perhaps it is time to carry a certified true copy of your birth certificate, have it notarized.

Robert S. Finnegan

Yes — and watch out, John Boehner. Orange skin might be a real tipoff to your alien-ness.

And those same businesses will also suffer from impending boycotts of the state…

Thought…. We're looking at a national policing symptom which claims to be 'serving and protecting' which it is,…but who?
We have much bigger problems than the illegal Mexicans (who are at least willing to work.)

Other states might do it but it is illegal and the person can pursue complaints, charges, and even sue the city over it, white dragon. Get your facts straight.

Susan, are you just pretending to be dumb? This law essentially mandates latinos and hispanics to carry proof of citizenship with AT ALL TIMES or risk arrest. It legalizes racial profiling and harrassment. It has nothing to do with DMV license requirements.

Hmm genius parents like you hopefully your kids don't get a head-first look at the bottom of the canyon.

How about a law that allows police to detain anyone with suspected militia charges. If you're a young-to-middle age white male and the officer thinks you look like a waco wacko you're detained until you prove you're not. If a home and computer search proves you aren't trying to be the next McVeigh you are let go.

One thing's for sure. This law will do alot to help sure up democrats hispanic votes for the midterm elections all across the country.

And coming soon being forced to wear a yellow H on their sleeves………………Boycott Arizona

I just wonder why Fox News does not do a special report on the illegals McCain and other Republicans in the State of Arizona and other states hire? Fair and balanced? LOL! This must be a election year!

Brit Hume= Globalist Tool

Fact is the right harps about government intrusion just as much as the left. So whats really going on? The majority of Arizonans have decided they would prefer to live with this kind of harassment and give up some freedom rather than live with the problem illegal immigrants are causing. You folks may not like it but when people give up freedom for security and safety they are simply beyond all of your crying over the rights of illegal. You are instead losing because you are not listening and you really don't care about those affected by illegal immigration. But hey it's ok now, thats why we have election and the politicians are listening. Go ahead, swear, scream, call me and everybody else names. It is past that.

I'll just stay away from Arizona. No problem. You can go there if YOU want to, but why? Vegas is in Nevada. Florida has Disney. California has Disney. What's Arizona got? Unbearible HEAT!

Yesterday a man said to look Hispanic was stopped he showed his drivers license, social security and Trucking ID. The police wanted a birth certificate which he didn't carry with him. He was arrested his wife drove to the station with his birth certificate. The man is a third generation hispanic who doesn't speak spanish. His parents were born in the USA and he was born in the USA. This is the first of many mistakes and false arrest to come as Latino/Mexican and other minorities will get rich with Law Suits of False arrest. As the police don't know what their looking for when they say immigrant well immigrants come in all colors and countries. In 30 days the police should have arrested 1500 people by mistake and with 10 million each in settlements that brings a total of 10 billion dollars paid by the taxpayers of Arizona. Look how many new Latino/Mexican/Minorities will become millionaires thanks to the Arizona Law.

Hopefully you won't make it there as you get your bad karma.

And when the police pull you over because you are tanned ,remember you said its all right..,Police can say anything they want to, he looked like a mexican, perhaps they say you forged your papers,perhaps they take everything you possess and they do,because you are brown skinned,because they can , remember you said its alright.. Better get your birth certificate ready..

He'll just make Judy quit her 'day-job' at PBS and [to] garden.

What are you smokin'?

There is nothing in the act making hiring illegals illegal! republican'ts never, nev-ver pass acts making repugnant behavior illegal unless performed by Democrats or government servants. republican't businessmen are exempt from regulation & legislation.

Jesus, I had know idea it was this bad. Thanks. The last time I was in
America they were shaking down investigative journalists and jailing bogus
charges. The pigs already had me in their sights for my investigation into
the Bali bombings of 2002:

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2003/01/03/bali-bombing-an-investigator039s-analysis.html

That’s one of the main reasons I got out when I did. One of the other
reasons is my wife is Muslim (secular). Thanks again for the links -

Robert

Errr, how about some good ol' christer laws that they don't give a shit about, especially today on their “sabbath.”

Leviticus 19:33-34 (King James Version)

33And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.

34But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

Check this out:

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/az-t…

Do you have your papers from the puppy mill where you were born, asswipe?

Maybe your “trainer” at “obedience” school will get popped for not having his AKC papers.

who gives a damn?
kick em out!~

didn't tell you to put down that crack pipe denycrane

They couldn't look a whitey in the eyes without getting a beating. Now, the Hispanics can't call 9-1-1 if someone breaks into their house and rapes their wife/daughter if they don't have a birth certificate, or robbery, etc. I bet you are sitting on a beach drinking a “Bintang” right now. Lucky!

This is gonna be good!!!
One of “America's Finest” who has just returned home from Afganistan is going to be rousted by the Phoenix Police and guess what happens next? It'll all be on video!
Congratulations “Boneheads” that can't see farther than their noses!

It really is sad, that an entire article is devoted to what Brit Hume thinks.

Wasn't the entire premise of the movie “Born In East L.A.” that a US citizen (portrayed by the wonderful Cheech Marin) was deported to Mexico because he didn't have his papers with him during an immigration raid? That was like 20 years ago.

What is going to happen is that people who DO hire undocumented immigrants will not pay them for the work they have already completed and threaten to turn them in if they complain.

HAHA! You should see this place Denny. there is 17,000 islands and a lot
are right off Java. I dive at least twice a week, sometimes every day. If
you ever come this way let me know, you would go apeshit. The women here
are….ah….beautiful. The eating is exquisite, cheap. Really cheap. If
the cook is out and you don't want to cook cook you can call to one of the
thousands of street vendors, give him your bowl over the gate and have your
meal cooked right in front of you for about $2.00 U.S. Without leaving
home.

The best part about being here (besides the Bintang) is that I am free and I
write and do what I please. Fuck the U.S.

Robert

Viva pinche Hidalgo!

I didn't see your comment until I had written my own – you beat me to it! :-)

You know what they say. Great minds don't take any wooden nickels.

http://reconstitution.us/rcnew/wp-content/uploa…

Nice to see that this new law is too insane even for Fixed News… but they spent all Friday and Saturday DEFENDING it before they FLIP FLOPPED (beginning with Judge Napolitano)

all of this is so wrong on so many levels.

nafta forced cheap corn on mexico and put the local mexican corn farmer out of business so they come to the us to work to survive

the meat-packers use illegal workers yet they are not prosecuted by the government so the ins bust a few mexicans every week to keep up appearances.

the problem is the big multinational corporations. they probably don't even pay minimum wage yet the truck in these illegals and we amercians scream they are taking away jobs.

blaming mexicans for these problems is all bullshit. persecute they root problem (corporations) and stop scapegoating brown skinned people.

Amazing how much damage some people get to cause in their positions. Very sad

Actually I am confused as to what the law says .I had heard it requires proof of Citizenship and the article mentions residency . In either case WHAT is the proof that you must have ?
I would venture to say that most people walking around today could NOT produce proof that they are an American citizen . I am an elderly white American and Navy Vet but I know I couldn’t prove I am here legally . I certainly don’t carry a copy of my birth certificate with me
nor do I walk around with my Passport . Quite frankly I doubt the good Governor would be able to pass muster .
I can see some IDIOT birther trying to make a citizen’s arrest of the President should he visit Arizona because we all know he was REALLY born in Kenya . There is a Demagogue for every crisis and it seems Arizona has found theirs

I used to like Bret Hume, why didn't he keep his mouth shut. I enjoyed his presentation of the news. Now every time I see him I will just think what an idiot and change the channel.

What isn't being said is that there is a chance of stopping illegal aliens from entering the country, but also stopping drug runners from entering the country. It would also mean the legal citizens who are here would make more money from fewer people looking for work. That's the reason for the uproar. No more cheap labor and no more cheap drugs.

I read that.

Really? Have any proof of this? The law doesn’t even go into effect for 90 days, so for someone to already be persecuted using this law is highly unlikely.
And, do you live in Arizona? I do. I have to deal with this issue everyday and for people like you to call citizens of this state douch/scumbags is ridiculous. Shut your mouth and mind your own damn business.

FYI: Im married to a immigrant from South America that came here LEGALLY!!!

You have to have an AZ drivers license or state ID. If not that, they have to carry their alien cards such as work visa, green card, or passport.

Here’s an idea, read the bill. SB 1070

Not blaming mexicans, blaming illegals! Illegal is not a race, its a crime.

It's unconstitutional to stop hispanic looking people who aren't committing a crime and ask for their papers. It's that simple. It's unconstitutional and will be overturned. All other arguments are irrelevant.

Advance to around 1:20 to see this train wreck of a sentence come driveling out of his mouth:

“…they're facing a SERIOUS CRISIS down there, induced by the presence in their midst of a lot of illegals, some of whom are causing some really terrible problems.”

Now compare this segment to his commentary which preceded it. No stuttering, gulping, or noticeable hesitation until 1:23 where he begins this patently false lie.

And then immediately following, before he could be asked to elaborate, he starts with the head shaking and hand gesturing while talking about the political problem this causes for the republicans.

The body language says he knowingly makes a false or grossly exaggerated statement, and then quickly seeks to move on from it before someone asks him to offer something to support it (as if Chris Wallace ever would).

Sometimes Hume does actually believe in his own BS — body language says not this time.

Comparing apples to oranges. Milutia are perfectly legal if they are nonviolent

Wrong!!! and right too. There is a big industry for providing illegals the documentation needed. That is where the real problem will be in enforcement

Will the stupid statements never end?

The law won’t last. Why? Obama would never provide his real birth certicate. (grin)

That’s a good way to send AZ a message: boycott them but be sure you let them know the reason you will necer return to AZ.

Going diving off Lombok, it is fucking incredible. I’ll hoist one for ya.

Robert S. Finnegan

Sometimes these right-wing pigs can make sense. The next time he opens his mouth, though, it'll be some of the usual garbage.

I like your thinking the only problem with it is that the JURY deciding the case will be Arizonans

Stopping,searching,and deporting illegals is beyond the resources of Arizona. It will only label the state as bigoted and cause social unrest. There is now no solution to the problem of illegal immigration. Help is on the way. Illegal immigrants will be granted American citizenship along with the natives of Mexico and Cuba. Cancun and Havana will become apart of the USA. Buy your vacation tickets now.

I am not sure about having to show a Birth Certificate too obtain a drivers licence .I believe you are correct about having to produce ID if the Police request it . I know there was a challenge to that law but I have to assume it was upheld .

In Susan's defense I think she meant that a drivers licence would be proof enough to satisfy the law . I have already posted a reply to her saying I am not sure she is correct concerning a drivers licence . Of course it also begs the question of what proof non drivers might have

The new law notes that “police must check for documents with “reasonable suspicion” and citizens can sue local governments for not enforcing it.”
I heard that under this law, any cop that violates a suspect's civil rights can also be sued. This puts the cops in a very tight spot and could also end up being a processing train wreck for the courts in Arizona.

I think that we miss a big point in this story by focusing solely on what Hume thinks, instead of delving into some of the potential problems that this law can cause, or simply why Arizona would take such a drastic step. It's too bad because some good journalism would be incredibly helpful here.

Arizona can pass race base laws, pass Birthers laws and the state can continue to boycott Martin Luther King Day, well the rest of the Country can boycott the state of Arizona and spank them where it hurts them the most their pocket book. Their phony patriotism is sickening, they are just racists going by another name. We all know you are just itching to put a sheet on their head? Let’s face it the Republicans had eight years to deal with health care, immigration, climate change and financial oversight and governance and they failed. It appears that the Republican Party is only good at starting wars (two in eight years, with fat contracts to friends of Cheney/Bush) but not at winning wars as seen by the continuing line of body bags that keep coming home. The Republicans party will continue turned inward to their old fashion obstructionist party (and their Confederacy appreciation roots) because they continue to allow a small portions (but very loud portion) of their party of “birthers, baggers and blowhards” to rule their party. I will admit that this fringe is very good at playing “Follow the Leader” by listening to their dullard leaders, Beck, Hedgecock, Hannity, O’Reilly, Rush, Savage, Sarah Bailin, Orly Taitz, Victoria Jackson, Michele Bachmann and the rest of the Blowhards and acting as ill programmed robots (they have already acted against doctors that perform abortions). The Birthers and the Tea party crowd think they can scare, intimidate and force others to go along with them by comments like “This time we came unarmed”, let me tell you something not all ex-military join the fringe militia crazies who don’t pay taxes and run around with face paint in the parks playing commando, the majority are mature and understand that the world is more complicated and grey than the black and white that these simpleton make it out to be and that my friend is the point. The world is complicated and people like Hamilton, Lincoln, and Roosevelt believed that we should use government a little to increase social mobility, now it’s about dancing around the claim of government is the problem. The sainted Reagan passed the biggest tax increase in American history and as a result federal employment increased, but facts are lost when mired in mysticism and superstition. For a party that gave us Abraham Lincoln, it is tragic that the ranks are filled with too many empty suits and the crazy Birthers who have not learned that the way our courts work is that you get a competent lawyer, verifiable facts and present them to a judge, if the facts are real and not half baked internet lies, then, and only then, do you proceed to trial. The Birthers seem to be having a problem with their so called “facts”. Let’s face it no one will take the Birthers seriously until they win a case, but until then, you will continue to appear dumb, crazy or racist, or maybe all three. I heard that Orly Taitz now wants to investigate the “Republican 2009 Summer of Love” list: Assemblyman, Michael D. Duvall (CA), Senator John Ensign (NV), Senator Paul Stanley (TN), Governor Mark Stanford (SC), Board of Ed Chair, and Kristin Maguire AKA Bridget Keeney (SC), she wants to re-establish a family values party, that’s like saying that the Catholic Church cares about the welling being of children in their care, too late for that.

Please post a link to the article. I find that hard to believe since the law doesn't go into effect for 90 days.

No and most citizens won't have to either. Please STFU and read the damn bill first. I have heard so many bs arguments that are not apart of this law.

FYI: You are required to show a policeman your ID when you are suspected of a crime. Not having car insurance, like 90% of illegals, is a crime. Therefore, you have to show ID like every other legal American. Don't have ID, green card, passport, work visa? You'll be detained unti verification can be established… JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER AMERICAN!

Maryland does not require proof of citizenship for a drivers license. If I visited AZ, and was asked to prove legal residence, the only thing I have is my drivers license. I don't think I could prove citizenship or legal residence. I would be deported back to Poland? I don't even know if my grandparents and great grandparents have any relatives there. Not my business, but if I were a gambling man, I would bet that this law is either repealed or found unconstitutional in about a month. Conversely, it could just be a political stunt. There are too many good white citizens in AZ who are making big profits by not paying minimum wage or not paying taxes on their illegals.

Purposely and willingly Breaking the law reduces one's rights. Non citizens don't have the same rights as citizens. Paying taxes to support illegals is plainly unethical.

I say Horray for AZ: just be sure to apply the law fairly. Racial profiling IMO wouldn't apply here since 99% of illegals are latino.

It will label AZ as a place with guts to do the right thing rather than being political correct.

Ask Hispanics who are legal whether they like paying taxes to suppot those who couldn't wait in line and do whayt the legals did. Frankly, IF I was a Hispanic, with this law I wouldn't be offended if stopped. I would thank the peace officer.

check the website newspaper Iowaindependent.com and you can google man arrested by Arizona it comes up with up dated matters involving this issue. As for the date of the Law, it doesn't matter because the case will be filed with the Federal Govenment which already has a Law. I lived in New Jersey and we did profiling but stopped because of the billions paid in law suits. New York had two major discrimination cases the brought their budget down. It's hard to say who is what race in America these days and we do have other immigrants then latino/mexican. We have immigrants from all over the world but that's another story. Federal Laws override State Laws when it is a violation of Rights and the Constitution. At lease that's what we learned in Jersey.

I tink you hit the nail on the head. My bet is that many posting here ar recreational drug users. I deduce that from the type of posts made.

Gald that you quote scripture but toatlly inapproiately. The stranger has asked to reside there, gotten permission. Didn't just walk in and demand all the rights of citizens.

This truly was an atrocity. Bad behavior vy peace officer who should be repremanded and give better education.

That's the beauty of liberty. You have every right to boycott AZ.

I think you are a very rigght thinking person. Citizens of states should have such choice. And yes the cost in rime and extra taxes is very high.

How silly. Could it happen? Yes, very highly unlikely

FYI, McCain is in real trouble for his stand on amensty for illegals. In the political battle for his life. Let's pray for two defats in a row.

Hey, moroni, can we see birth certificates for you polygamists that live in that shit-hole utah?

Hey, you “skid-marked” magical-underwearin’ prophet, show me your birth certificate from your polygamist compound. You bastards moved to Mexico to avoid going to jail. Hmmm, romney, I believe. You asswipe.

What a great idea about Obama. Wouldn’t that be great if he was forced to show all Americans proof he was actually born in Hawaii. THta’s another reason to rejoice for AZ.

How dare you ask any progressive to actually do anything but react emotionally and according to the talking points provided them. SHAME ON YOU!!!

Why do you polygamists in utah keep voting these down:

Update: First substitute HB 227 was passed 8-5 in committee and now goes to the House floor

Another attempt to prevent illegal aliens from receiving benefits from their presence in Utah has been introduced:

HB0227 Licensing Eligibility Sponsored by Rep. Steve Sandstrom “requires an applicant for a business license issued by a municipality or a county to provide the municipality’s or county’s business licensing agency with documentation of the applicant’s lawful presence in the United States; and requires an applicant for a license issued by the Division of Occupational and Professional Licensing to provide the division with an affidavit stating that the applicant is a citizen or lawfully present in the United States.”

This bill would better ensure compliance with federal law.

The first committe hearing (audio) was held 5 Feb. and raised such specious arguments that it would lead to problems with isssuing library cards and onerous requirements on license issuers (such as showing a valid Driver’s License). There was also a discussion on the the bills relationship to SB81. The failure of compliance is SB 81 was discussed (for more on compliance)

It also raised a question on license renewal versus new issuance, the bill was held to clarify the answer.

And why is utah doing this:

SALT LAKE CITY — Employers in Utah could be among the first in the country to face criminal charges for failing to verify their workers’ immigration status, under a bill passed Friday by a legislative committee that now moves to the full Senate.

There’s about zero chance that a boycott will happen. You profressives are all just talk and critize the tea baggers for being active. I promise I will lead a counter boycott. All 50 states neeed to do what AZ has done.

….”Federal agents have arrested nine undocumented workers who were employed by a subcontractor at Dugway Proving Ground, located 80 miles southwest of Salt Lake City.

Military authorities said the immigrants were working in an area several miles from where the Department of Defense’s chemical and biological testing is done.”…..

Gee, isn’t this a “potential” place that terrorists would lurk? You mormons are all about the money.

There is all type of bigotry. Yours towards Mormons is becoming very evident.

….but this is the best:

What happens when undocumented aliens serve LDS missions? (Hint: Sometimes they get arrested)

by Jacob Hodgen
Missionary

Last week an LDS missionary was ready to return home. He had just finished serving a two year mission in Oklahoma and was headed towards the Cincinnati airport. However, instead of a traditional greeting with flowers and balloons, he was met by police and was arrested.

The missionary was an illegal immigrant to the United States.

Michael Purdy, a spokesman for the LDS church, claims the arrest was made due to his, “lacking necessary documentation to board his flight home.” The LDS church eventually decided to send the boy’s uncle to pick him up and transport him back to his home in the Salt Lake Valley.

http://www.utahstories.com/missionary_arrested.html

Glas to see the sanity of Utahans. These illegals are badly exploited by unethical businesses. No jobs and folks will return voluntarily.

What in heavens name does plural marriage which is very small have to do with illegal aliens?? Just another snide remark showing you are a bigot.

Bigots come in forms. You’re doing a great job!!!

You may be correct. The DP exploits minorities and would love to legal;ize the illegals and have more people to exploit.

That was much too deep for progressives to fathom. Shame on you!!!

I was born and raised in the Cradle of the American Republic. I’m a convert. Every post shows you are a bigot at least to anyone who is objective.

Your point is well taken. I’ve been very vocal about not creating a santctuary for illegals. I find it atrocious that this is common practice. Mormons are taught to obey the law of the land. In the casde of illegals, many a Bishop and Stake President is aiding and abetting a crime.

Vegas and the Disneys are fine, but all of them are man-made tourist attractions (and BTW, Vegas heat is likewise unbearable). Arizona has natural attractions: the Grand Canyon, petrified forest, meteor crater and Sedona (named the most beautiful city in America by Parade magazine for its red rocks). And there are historical sites, like ancient Native American ruins and Tombstone, site of the gunfight at the OK Corral, which is enacted daily. All of these areas depend on tourist dollars for revenue, so a boycott might prompt an outcry from within the state to overturn this ridiculous law.

It seems you have an extra letter in your id .he ALREADY has shown his birth certificate numerous times but don’t let that FACT stand in your way

It seems you have an extra letter in your id .he ALREADY has shown his birth certificate numerous times but don’t let that FACT stand in your way

only when you stop commenting

only when you stop commenting

Actually from what I’ve read that is the case and many illegals ARE returning to Mexico .Of course this is one of the few benefits of the Reaganomics that we have been subjected to for the past 30 years

Actually from what I’ve read that is the case and many illegals ARE returning to Mexico .Of course this is one of the few benefits of the Reaganomics that we have been subjected to for the past 30 years

I was planning to RV for a month in AZ but I will now because I will be among sane, law abiding people.

Please stay in your compound.

Gee, I thought you were giing to ask me to visit you?

“Nonviolent militia”? Isn’t that an oxymoron?

“Nonviolent militia”? Isn’t that an oxymoron?

[...] Source:http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0425/hume-arizona-law-civil-rights-violations/ [...]

That was a chinese made recalled “cradle” that you fell out of and cracked your head. No wonder you joined the “compound.” Sorry.

That was a chinese made recalled “cradle” that you fell out of and cracked your head. No wonder you joined the “compound.” Sorry.

Right. Do you polygamists have birth certificates?

Right. Do you polygamists have birth certificates?

Errr, it’s about “birth certificates” that can not be issued by the state. “It’s illegal”. Put that on your “handcart.”

Errr, it’s about “birth certificates” that can not be issued by the state. “It’s illegal”. Put that on your “handcart.”

Bigotry? Ha ha ha ha. It’s all in your history. How about bigotry in the measure that the polygamist church poured money into in California? Bigotry? Hmm, letting the “blacks” in all of a sudden. There are so many gays in the church, you are going to have to address the issue. One day it’s bad, the next day it is all right.

Bigotry? Ha ha ha ha. It’s all in your history. How about bigotry in the measure that the polygamist church poured money into in California? Bigotry? Hmm, letting the “blacks” in all of a sudden. There are so many gays in the church, you are going to have to address the issue. One day it’s bad, the next day it is all right.

Speaking of that, glenn beck should be ex-communicated. One of the questions in a temple recommend interview is: “are you part of an organization in the overthrowing of the country?” If I knew where he lives, I would speak to the bishop’s executive secretary on this matter. And by the way, that question was asked because of the “John Birchers” that are rampant in the church. Is Bo Gritz still alive? And then there was ezra taft benson.

Speaking of that, glenn beck should be ex-communicated. One of the questions in a temple recommend interview is: “are you part of an organization in the overthrowing of the country?” If I knew where he lives, I would speak to the bishop’s executive secretary on this matter. And by the way, that question was asked because of the “John Birchers” that are rampant in the church. Is Bo Gritz still alive? And then there was ezra taft benson.

“Oxy-Mormon.” Here is there “non-violent militia:

…”The Mountain Meadows massacre was a mass slaughter of the Fancher-Baker emigrant wagon train at Mountain Meadows, Utah Territory, by a local Mormon militia and members of the Paiute Native American tribe on September 11, 1857. It began as an attack, quickly turned into a siege, and eventually culminated in the murder of the unarmed emigrants after their surrender. All of the party except for seventeen children under eight years old—about 120 men, women, and children—were killed. [1] After the massacre, the corpses of the victims were left decomposing for two years on the open plain, [2] the surviving children were distributed to local Mormon families, and many of the victims’ possessions were auctioned off at the Latter-day Saint Cedar City tithing office.”….

“Oxy-Mormon.” Here is there “non-violent militia:

…”The Mountain Meadows massacre was a mass slaughter of the Fancher-Baker emigrant wagon train at Mountain Meadows, Utah Territory, by a local Mormon militia and members of the Paiute Native American tribe on September 11, 1857. It began as an attack, quickly turned into a siege, and eventually culminated in the murder of the unarmed emigrants after their surrender. All of the party except for seventeen children under eight years old—about 120 men, women, and children—were killed. [1] After the massacre, the corpses of the victims were left decomposing for two years on the open plain, [2] the surviving children were distributed to local Mormon families, and many of the victims’ possessions were auctioned off at the Latter-day Saint Cedar City tithing office.”….

Exactly. When has a militia, which is defined as people who bear arms, ever been NONviolent? Thanks for your example, which sounds horrendous.

Exactly. When has a militia, which is defined as people who bear arms, ever been NONviolent? Thanks for your example, which sounds horrendous.

My aka is after a great patriot who saved the Nephite Nation in the Book of Mormon. I’m of German-Scotish heritage. I agree that the peace officers MUST be careful not to discriminate but since 99% of illegals are latino, ythe chances are reasonable that by stopping randomly some latinos, you will catch illegals. As I said before, if I was a Hispanic who did the right things to be in the USA, I would be glad to be stopped as I would see the law being honored and the CHEATS getting the justice due them I might pat the officer on the back and say thank you.

My aka is after a great patriot who saved the Nephite Nation in the Book of Mormon. I’m of German-Scotish heritage. I agree that the peace officers MUST be careful not to discriminate but since 99% of illegals are latino, ythe chances are reasonable that by stopping randomly some latinos, you will catch illegals. As I said before, if I was a Hispanic who did the right things to be in the USA, I would be glad to be stopped as I would see the law being honored and the CHEATS getting the justice due them I might pat the officer on the back and say thank you.

Offensive viol and should be punisned strongle. IMO, if my liberties are being taken away like the British did to the colonists, defensive violence is moral and proper. What would you have done back in 1776?

The MSM distorts very badly what true 2nd Amendment militias are about. Would you do away with the 2nd Amendment?

Offensive viol and should be punisned strongle. IMO, if my liberties are being taken away like the British did to the colonists, defensive violence is moral and proper. What would you have done back in 1776?

The MSM distorts very badly what true 2nd Amendment militias are about. Would you do away with the 2nd Amendment?

This was a very evil act and the leader was hanged. The General Authorities never ordered such action. Yes, there is some danger to having a militia unit act irrationally and immoraly.

Not justifying the massacre in anyway… what if these people were bragging about having killed Mormons back in Missouri including babies and bragging about never being convicted.. is it possible that you might want to take revenge evn though God did say that vengence is mine, I will repay? Humans, however, are humans.

Thought question.. was there ever any other tiime were Moromons acted this way? If not, then was NOT a regular thing but the actions of a small group of extremists.

So myou proclaim that the 1776 Minutemen were evil for firing on the Britis after first being fired upon? The British were coming to confiscate their arms and ammunition. Would you have protested and handed over your protection against tyranny?

So you think Denny’s comment was intelligent. If so, why?

If I were a plygamist, I would have been excommunited from the Church.

I was born and raised in the Cradle of the Republic. Since you are so all knowing where would that be?

I have no problem with my long form birth certificate live Obama does.

Bo Gritz was an excommunicated Mormon when he ran for POTUS.

The D+C makes plain when defensive violence is OK. Since you proclaim to be an self proclaimed authority on Mormonism, please share what that teaching is.

Because the Book of Mormon clearly warns of secret combinations that will attempt to rule the world for power and wealth in these last days, yes some Mormons, not me, are members of the John Birch Society. Is the JBS calling for sedition? Is the Mormom Church calling for sedition? IF so, why aren’t JBS people in prison and the leaders of the Mormon Church in prison. They should be.

OR… is this just another example of your bigotry?

One of the signs of a bigot is selective and distorted information. What makes you so BITTER towards Moromons that it blinds your rationality?

Sorry but I miss your point. Please explain.

Boy are you getting DESPERATE. I can see now that your level of intelligence and decency are waning

That's certainly your choice. Have a good time. I hope your screen name is not indicative of Italian-American ancestry, because if it is and you have dark hair, you are more liable to be stopped than if you are blond and blue-eyed. But if you don't mind being stopped without probable cause. However, as Ben Franklin said, “Those who would trade in their freedom for security deserve neither.” Enough said.

Forgot to tell you to take along your birth certificate, and see my other comments.

Mormon, talking “scripture.” Ha ha ha ha. Do you know that when the missionaries are in the Missionary Training Center there are cameras in watching them!

The way you type, I believe that.

China is the problem. Flip your purchases from MalWart over and read the China label. How many “china” civilians are in your house? The lower taxes that brought that in, horrible working conditions, environment issues, etc. and you bitch about the Hispanics.

We're on the small page on China. My wife and I try our best to buy American but it becomes more and more difficult. The irony in that thoswe who see “free trade” also want free illegal immigration.

This is a bad habit of mine. My mind goes faster than my fingers and I all to often hit the wrong keys. I will try to do better. Since you “know” Moromons you know we don't take recreational drugs.

If true, what motivation do you assign to filming meetings?

Having studied and read the Bible probably 50 times, I think I can discuss them intelligently. How about you? Are you being defensive because I corrected your misuse of Old Testament scripture a while back?

Your talking to thw rong person. You should address this to Obama.

I don't try to “put down” anyone. When I see error, I try to correct it. I hope others will do the same when I'm in error. I would hope all here are seeking truth?

This is an ARIZONA law, not a federal one. Wasn’t that made clear from the headline?

First you say militias are perfectly legal if they are nonviolent, then you cite the Revolutionary War, which was full of violence and say “defensive violence is moral and proper.” Not sure what the heck you mean. I merely said “militia” and “nonviolence” do not belong in the same phrase. Militias are by their very nature armed forces. Arms implies violence, hence nonviolent militias is an oxymoronic phrase. I wasn’t implying America wasn’t right to revolt against the British. It is very weird how trolls on this site twist things around and argue something that isn’t part of the discussion. I haven’t seen this sort of tactic elsewhere.

Not at all. Reread what I wrote. Didn’t say the Minutemen were evil. Didn’t say they were wrong. In fact, I don’t think they were wrong. Don’t you go saying I wrote things I didn’t. I wrote that militias are violent. Are you saying the Minutemen and other American forces killed NO British or Hessians during the Revolutionary War? Boy, are you rewriting history. How did America defeat the British if they didn’t kill them? Best I can tell, about 10,000 British died (American fatalities were twice that number). Are militias nonviolent? Not the American militias! Then why would you say “militias are perfectly legal if they are nonviolent”? Can you name a nonviolent militia? Militant means “armed.” Name one non-armed militia. Bet you can’t. Putting things in other people’s mouths is very uncool; I am not impressed. Reading comprehension is our friend.

I’m a citizen of NC. Obama of IL. If Obama wouldn’t be effected by traveling to AZ, why would a whire person have to worry?

I’m a citizen of NC. Obama of IL. If Obama wouldn’t be effected by traveling to AZ, why would a whire person have to worry?

I’m a citizen of NC. Obama of IL. If Obama wouldn’t be effected by traveling to AZ, why would a whire person have to worry?

I apologize. The MSM is strongly implying that militias are offensive dangers. I felt you were doing the same.

I’m saying that militias are mostly if not totally defensive in nature. Certainly any militia worth anything will use deady defensive violence if needed to protect our Constitutional liberties. Do you see such defensive force as immoral and seditionary?

I apologize. The MSM is strongly implying that militias are offensive dangers. I felt you were doing the same.

I’m saying that militias are mostly if not totally defensive in nature. Certainly any militia worth anything will use deady defensive violence if needed to protect our Constitutional liberties. Do you see such defensive force as immoral and seditionary?

I apologize. The MSM is strongly implying that militias are offensive dangers. I felt you were doing the same.

I’m saying that militias are mostly if not totally defensive in nature. Certainly any militia worth anything will use deady defensive violence if needed to protect our Constitutional liberties. Do you see such defensive force as immoral and seditionary?

I hope my misunderstanding of your position has been corrected?

I hope my misunderstanding of your position has been corrected?

I hope my misunderstanding of your position has been corrected?

Yes, many are returning but I don’t think it has to do with Reagonomics??? There is a strong correlation between going after companies hiring illegals and getting fines and illegals going home because emploers are becoming more careful.

Yes, many are returning but I don’t think it has to do with Reagonomics??? There is a strong correlation between going after companies hiring illegals and getting fines and illegals going home because emploers are becoming more careful.

Yes, many are returning but I don’t think it has to do with Reagonomics??? There is a strong correlation between going after companies hiring illegals and getting fines and illegals going home because emploers are becoming more careful.

Oh, “defensive,” like the Minutemen American “Defense” who invaded the home of a family in Arivaca, Arizona, in June 2009, killing the father and his 9-year-old daughter while the Minutemen American “Defense” were looking for money and drugs? That kind of “defensiveness”? Exactly what were these militia people “defending?” I call what they did pretty darned immoral; police, who called it illegal, arrested the three and charged them with murdering two people. And if you’re going to overthrow a duly elected US government, yes, that is seditious.

What is that supposed to mean? “I hope my misunderstanding of your position has been corrected?” You correct your OWN misunderstanding; I don’t. So correct it!

THat “militia” was acting offensively as you described the situation. They should be in jail.

Duly elected and pledging themselves under oath to God to defend the Constitution. There would be no tea parties if this was being followed: no militias either.

A scenario: Obama and company get a law passed which outlaws Mormons owning guns. They come to my house to grab my guns. I call in the local militia. We refuse to yield. The fed shoot at us and kill one of the militia coming to my aide. What response would you suggest that the other militia memebrs do?

Obama and company are trying to do this even though the 2nd Amendment still stands.

Geez, you’re looking for a fight even after I apologized???

You are the one “proclaiming”. We point out “your’ misinformation.

How about this “gem’ by mark petersen in 1976. Is this what you think this country is about?

http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6083

FOREWORD
“This great American nation the Almighty raised up by the power of his omnipotent hand, that it might be possible in the latter days for the kingdom of God to be
established in the earth.
“If the Lord had not prepared the way by laying the foundations of this glorious nation, it would have been impossible (under the stringent laws and bigotry of the
monarchical governments of the world) to have laid the foundations for the coming of his great kingdom. The Lord has done this.
“His hand has been over this nation, and it is his purpose and design to enlarge it, make it glorious above all others, and to give it dominion and power over the
earth, to the end that those who are kept in bondage and serfdom may be brought to the enjoyment of the fullest freedom and liberty of conscience possible for
intelligent men to exercise in the earth.”
President Joseph F. Smith….

While Arizona has a right to enforce the laws, it's just one state, and nothing it can do can make failed Mexico or its pop. go away, they're here to stay, and have to share the New World. Instead of turning the unsealable U.S.-Mexico border into a militarized zone and U.S. states into tense police states, why not try the 7-step nonpartisan Megamerge Dissolution Solution of incorporating Mexico into the U.S. as 10+ new states, allowing all 414 million Americans to work on the same team? Study the MMDS detailed proposal at http://go.to/megamerge

What a fairy tale. Obama has given more rights to gun owners. What do you need guns for when you have Porter Rockwell types? I guess you need guns to kill the gay mormons. How many .22 shells does it take to buy a loaf of bread in the mormon freeman militia groups?

Good point……”why would a white person have to worry.” Why? They are not profiled. Check this out:

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/az-truck-driver-forced-show-birth-certifica

What determines the reason to stop somebody? When the mormons were chased and killed across this country by christer “sheriffs” were they “profiled?” Feels good doesn’t it? Would you be pulled over because they see your magical underwear out of the top of your shirt? Maybe you are a polygamist. And, again, your birth certificate?

“I hope my misunderstanding of your position has been corrected?” is no apology. It has neither the words “I am sorry for misunderstanding” nor “I apologize misunderstanding” in it. Not only is reading comprehension our friend, Moroni; so is writing composition. Go back and reread what you wrote. It makes no sense.
Such is education in this country.

dennycrane is right (below): Obama has EXPANDED gun owners’ rights by allowing them to pack a piece on federal land, which made way for folks carrying guns in their recent demonstration. Pretty ironic. I am not sure on what factual basis this paranoia exists. Maybe Fixed News whipping up fear again? NRA propaganda? The color of Obama’s skin? Whatever the reason, the paranoia defies facts and belief. Sometimes I wonder if gun owners are trying to make up for other deficiencies.

Interesting suggestion. Why would the USA ever want to have a highly stratified society of a few rich and many poor to join us? Just more welfare challenges.

..Meetings? This is in the restrooms. You tell me why.

Just meds for ADH etc. and the type that Marie Osmond and her son take/took.

I see some Birthe try to make a citizen's arrest of President should he go to Arizona, because we all know he was really born in Kenya. He is a demagogue for each crisis, and he seems to have found their Arizona.

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