“Still pretty callous of the insurance company.”

No, it wasn’t. Why should the company pay big bucks for a dog owner’s self-righteous behavior?

Dear Larry,
It’s “would have been”, not “would of been”. Always. I can’t think of a single meaningful phrase that contains “would of”. Please consider this and perhaps folks will be able to understand what you write. Also, it’s “should have”, not “should of”… keep that in mind, as well. Thanks.

unions demand high wages for pressing bumpers

are you seriously that stupid?

Interesting that you want personal responsibility from the pet owner but NOT from the driver.

If the driver had committed suicide the day before this occurred, it never would have happened either.

So, by using your fetid logic, the driver caused the accident by not killing himself before driving.

Wrong Katherine, if the dog was locked in a yard or on a leash he would be alive and no damage would of been done. People need to start dealing with the results of their decisions.

O.K. WHY is this news on this site?

good for the ins company, loose pets have cause a lot of accidents resulting in injury and death– the owner should be responsible for the damage caused by their pet, furthermore what persons wants to pick up a mess in their yard made by a strangers pet

Very, very sad. Tragic. But if the dog had been supervised, on a leash or behind a fence, he'd be alive, and the person who hit him wouldn't have to replace his bumper. That law is there for a reason. Safety of the animal, owners and others around the animal.

Good thing they didn't let the children roam.

This may be the first time I've ever agreed with an insurance company.

I like Labs. I feel for the owner but I suppose I have agree that she was at fault for letting the dog roam loose. Still pretty callous of the insurance company.

wish i had state farm insurance, I would cancel it!

Regardless of the local leash laws, what seems to be missing here is some element of compassion.

I also wonder just how fast the driver was going to have caused damage to their bumper by hitting a dog. If you're driving through a residential neighborhood so fast that you can't avoid hitting a dog, what makes you so sure you'll be able to avoid hitting a child?

Accidents do happen. But I wonder why someone at the insurance company didn't have the humanity to write this one off and let dead dogs sleep.

And it's reason like this why i would never buy insurance with state farm

I agree with the insurer, if you let your dog run free you are at fault not the driver, now if the driver drove into your yard and killed your dog then the driver should pay. But come on people take some freaking responsibility. Boohoo your a bad pet owner, maybe you'll be smarter with your next pet.

And let's not forget that you have to be a MORON to hit a dog that's walking around. The driver was clearly either not paying attention or just didn't care and ran the dog over anyway.

It also sounds like that piece of shit just drove off leaving the suffering pet in the street.

I hate those lazy and irresponsible dog owners. On my block here lives a family with a large mutt and they let him lose all the time. He comes running out into the street chasing cars and several times: I once hit someones mailbox and a few times almost a parked car, in order to avoid to hid this retarded dog. Now I no longer swerve and put my own live in danger. Guess what: If I kill this dog and damage is on my car I will sue this lazy bastard. I always park my car in my garage.so those assholes can't key it.

And that was exactly my point.. 12 year old dog? roaming around from habit? odds are the driver (who seemingly drove off) was at fault, and had it been a child (who, we'll remind you, wouldn't be as smart as a typical dog in terms of avoiding traffic), we'd have a dead human here.

Of course, none of this would be an issue if we didn't live in a monetary society with limited access to natural resources that the few hold over the rest of us. Car repair bill wouldn't exist, getting the bumper sent from the automated factory would just happen if you ordered it.. not to mention, most of those kinds of accidents would be avoided if computers were running cars with locational radar on them.. This whole thing would have just been left at a terrible accident (if it even happened at all), and there would not be this insult to injury…

it's all about the money… humanity and decency have nothing to do with it, because we don't live in a humane or decent world at present.

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com and http://www.thevenusproject.com .. We _could_ live in a better world, but that means wrenching global control out of the hands of the precious few that enslave and abuse us all.

It was a quiet residential suburban neighborhood. Don't tell me about your damn laws meant to protect the interests of ruthless insurance companies. If the driver had run into a parked car instead, the police would have arrived to see if he was drunk, or else he would have eventually been tracked down and charged with hit & run driving. Instead, he runs into a quiet residential suburban pet animal, and the jerk don't even have the decency to pay for the damage to his vehicle himself. Don't tell me about “taking responsibility for your own actions.” The people who say that all the time are the very people who immediately start blaming someone else if anything might happen that affects their own interest or inconveniences them in the slightest.

Dammit RS, I clicked the link. Please stop posting crap.

This is heart-breaking, but Western legal tradition is with State Farm on this one.

Dogs are property in the eyes of the law, even though they can feel like family members. If one person's property damages another person's property, the first person should pay the second.

The twist here is how human-like a family dog can be. That aspect tickles our sense of injustice.

Because idiot that have NO business owning pets let their animals run anywhere. large dogs can nearly destroy a car going at the legal speed limit and often cause the death of someone trying to avoid hitting them. Same for pit bulls and horses that run amuck, their owners want “conpassion”. Where was the compassion for the animal of which they were in charge?

Cars and car drivers cause thousands of injuries and deaths every year. Oil drilling to fuel the cars is destroying the Gulf. CO2 exhaust from cars is causing global warming. Cars and drivers are a major threat to our world. The Lab should have far more rights than the car driver, who endangers and pollutes every living thing. It is the car driver who should be made to pay big for killing the Lab with their CO2 spewing two ton battering ram.

The dog is dead due to its owner's irresponsibility. The car bumper is damaged as a result of the dead dog, which we've already established was a result of an irresponsible owner. Thus, the irresponsible owner, no matter how heartbroken, is a) at fault for the innocent dog's death and b) responsible for repairing the damage done to the car that hit said dead dog. Period.

State Farm had every legal right to demand reimbursement, but they also failed consider how damaging this story would be from a PR perspective. This is a case of beancounters using neither heart nor head.

So you live a completely carbon-neutral or carbon-negative life, yes? I presume the computer you typed your screed on is powered only by the sun or hydroelectricity, right? Get off your fucking high horse for a second and stop connecting dots that aren't even in the same universe. You have an agenda. We get it.

Yeah, and let's all go out and kill as many deer as we can every hunting season because they're also a threat to motorists in 4000 lb cars. And while we're at it, let's exploit Columbian coffee growing peasants because we like cheap coffee and also destroy some more productive family -owned farm land to build more quiet residential suburban neighborhoods so that everyone who lives in them has every opportunity to always obey our laws all the time, unconditionally, or else suffer the consequences. And let's just keep drilling for more off-shore oil because then we can just keep on having more and more babies who'll also grow up into law-abiding citizens who always should take responsibility for their own actions when their actions might negatively affect our system. In fact, let's just outlaw dogs completely, because every once in a while some little kid gets bit by a dog and we certainly want to completely eliminate all potential threats to our status as top-predator on this planet.

And if the driver had struck this lady's child how much would she have to pay, the same or more for being a bad parent?

Stupid rip off scumbag insurance companies. Bunch of thieves so now they take in premiums, pocket them, and expect others to pay out claims? What do we need insurance companies for then?

Lou
http://www.online-privacy.de.tc

I wish it had been me that was the owner of the dog. You have no idea! First thing I would have done when seeing my dog laying there dead is drop my pants and start furiously masturbating into his guts. After that I'd pull his rectum out and squeeze all the life juice out of it and into my mouth. This is just the tip of the iceberg, people. There is no limit to how much jacking off would take place if it were me.

Drivers cause far more accidents than loose pets, but we don't chain them in the yard.

just gotta love the logic of the insurance companies, i wonder if as they go up the ladder of success (and bonuses) they have to start handing over their conscious, then brains, then heart, and i wonder what the highest bonus is and what the bottom line has to be to achieve it.

and if i were the person that turned in the claim and if my isurance company said that they were going to bill the dogs owner i think i'd tell them to cancel the claim i'll pay for it myself

smhc

I think they should pay… the dog shouldn't have been out.

The thing I don't understand is that the insurance company just takes the driver on their word,did she take pictures of the dying dog as evidence and submit with her claim?I'm failing to see how State Farm knew it was this families dog if she did a hit and run and no police report were filed.

“That's just wrong,” daughter Katherine Flemming said.”

You know whats really wrong? The family disobeyed the leash law or they would still have their dog. They are responsible for EVERYTHING their dog does. Pay the bill.

Yellow labs love being hit by cars. They are notoriously stupid when it comes to avoiding traffic.

The driver was probably speeding, talking on his cellphones, adjusting his makeup.

What makes insurance companies so inherently evil? Greed? Extremely overpaid executives who think they can act with impunity? Or is it their legions of soulless corporate lawyers?

Corporate person-hood must be abolished and the rights of all living things recognized.

Then the insurance company would be forced to pay for the driver killing the Lab

And the driver would pay with his license, and have his high speed battering ram confiscated.

Then we would have less carnage… and a Lab could take a simple walk in his neighborhood…

with less fear of being crushed to death.

dog a family member?? kinky

their animal caused the damage

pay up

Stupid deer too. We need deer leash laws.

yeah wouldve been much less damage to an electric car

maybe they do

@Rutherfoo…you are a very sick individual..you should seek professional help..

Why blame the dog owner for the fact the DRIER DID NOT HAVE HIS CAR UNDER CONTROL? Anyone that has earned their drivers license KNOWS they are to assume there will be suprise hazards that will have to be avoided. YOU hit something it is YOUR FAULT!!!

I suppose if you run over a “moose”, “Rocky” gets sued.

Rutherfoo's comment is no more.

Let me guess: On the rare instance when Dick Cheney needs a heart, he borrows yours. Oh that’s right, neither of you would know what that is.

Some damned dog darted out on me one between parked cars, because the owners couldn't be bothered to keep the thing under control. Fortunately I slammed on the anchors, just hit the thing a bit and bowled it over – it was shaken, but ok. Good thing I wasn't speeding or not paying sharp attention. Still, it bust my registration (number) plate, and that cost me about $50 for a new one (we have expensive, almost like a massive laminated plate here in the UK). My fault? I don't think so – had zero chance to avoid it. I got to pay, though – is that fair?

my friend had a deaf and almost blind 14 yr old dog that could barely walk and the same thing happened to her…the people had a rental car and they said the dog “ran” in front of them…she had to pay for the damage!…

I love my dog too much to just let him out to run around in the street. What if it had been a motorcycle and the rider had been injured ? Or a car that swerved to avoid the dog and ended up killing a family ? Fuck these people. I feel sorry for their dog, they're too stupid and irresponsible to have a pet. You're responsible for the life your dog has and he should deserve better than someone who puts him at risk by letting him run the street. Put up a fence, a runner, or even that “invisible fence” stuff. People who let their dogs run the streets are a-holes.

Thanks, George. I think he would answered that the same way!

God but there are some judgemental SOBs in this world. Perhaps you should go to the top of the class.

For once I agree with the insurance company. Letting dogs run free is dangerous, and the family clearly violated the law. The owner's statement even endorses the idea, since it proves that the practice of letting the dog run free was a mistake.

If I run over your son will you fix my car?

Yep, this time the insurance guys should get their money back. I am, however, a bit dismayed that a Canadian would adopt the American mentality that a dog is pretty much like a son of God and everyone who disagrees can rightly be called unAmerican, i.e., my dog is like God and how dare you force me to pay for his godly misbehavior?

Bullshit!

Ditto Gerry. WTF people. Guess if this was a person who was hit and killed, you'd also agree w/the insurance company, saying he should have waited to cross the street at the x-walk. Evidently some of you don't realize that insurance companies are raping people everyday with premiums, then nickle and dime claims that they are liable to pay. If I were a member of this family, I'd not only contest Snake Farm's claim, but I'd FILE A CLAIM for the negligent death of my animal, simply b/c of Snake Farm's callousness over the way they chose to handle this incident. And stuff the “dog was in the street” bit-people walk there all the time too, but if you think you can run over em and dodge a civil claim on that basis, you're really uninformed about law.

Why? For being prudent? Hell, I congratulate the insurer. If any insurance company is going to pick up the tab for this bit of nonsense, let it be the dog owner's!

Have you ever checked out the typical bumper on today's cars? The cover is plastic and/but it costs a fortune to replace it.

regardless.. it is completely insensitive for someone to ask for money after they killed
a household pet..
my goodness how small minded and heartless..

I agree, people should have pets on leash… but .. this is over the top…

“The people who say that all the time are the very people who immediately start blaming someone else if anything might happen that affects their own interest or inconveniences them in the slightest.”

Pretty much like you did, actually.

“Pistoff” handle says it all !! And to the rest of you animal hating asses – kiss my but !
It was an accident , pure and simple. It is obvious that most of you have never owned a pet , especially a dog, and the saying “who is man's best friend” was not just fabricated out of thin air. They are the true meaning of unconditional love.
Anyone who sides with an insurance company or blames the dog or their owners shows why this world is the way it is now. Compassionless, total lack of empathy or care for those less fortunate, and just a bunch of whining hypocrites, unintelligent, and so in their own little world.
My best friend when I was in third grade was killed five feet in front of me, when he bolted across the street in front of his house between some large trees and a parked car. I wonder if the insurance company and the car owners asked for restitution to the dent and blood stains on their 4,000 lb vehicle's front grill??!! Or maybe for the pain and suffering to their eardrums from my friend's mother who was in the front yard and watched her son's death. Maybe he should have been tied to a harness. Tragically it was an accident !!
This all proves that morons like you, should not be allowed to vote in elections. Or God forbid own pets.

Yes, I hope you remember that the next time you take your 3,000 pound gasser out into the neighborhood and deep-six some poor little Lab.

actually, an insurance company once told me you should ALWAYS be prepared to stop or get out of the way, even when a bird flies into your windshield at night (yeah, can’t see that coming)…they deemed the claim as something that could have been avoided…and yes, i got stuck with the bill…and promptly changed companies.

actually, an insurance company once told me you should ALWAYS be prepared to stop or get out of the way, even when a bird flies into your windshield at night (yeah, can’t see that coming)…they deemed the claim as something that could have been avoided…and yes, i got stuck with the bill…and promptly changed companies.

Actually, they aren't dealing with “someone” here.
They're dealing with a non-humane, insensitive entity…an insurance company.

Could you be more of a creep? We could go for a record.

In California, you are responsible to drive in a safe manner and avoid hitting dogs, wildlife, ect.

Unless someone threw that dog in front of the car, it's the driver's responsibility. Period.

State Farm was stupid. What they should have done was notify the family that they were waiving the $1650 charge out of sympathy for their loss, then leak that story to the social media. People are sick of soulless corporations–State Farm could have earned incalculable good will and probably a thousand new customers.

you are the one with the small mind

I never have and never will hook up with State Farm. For many, many years the “You're in Good Hands” people have acted more in their interests than the public's.

Was the dog thrown into the car?

The driver hit the dog. Dogs are a hazard of driving.

The driver should have been more attentive.

What if it had been a kid that had gotten away from the parents? Would you say, “your kid's head got goo all over my bumper, pay to have my car cleaned!”

You are an idiot

You are an idiot

Actually, “you're in good hands” is Allstate's slogan State Farm is there “like a good neighbor.” Not that it really matters; all insurance companies are essentially full of it.

That is the law… If the driver was alert and prudent (following traffic laws, awake & alert) then the insurance contract controls who pays.

I suppose that 'technically', *Insurers* can 'make a (legal) case' that dog owners should be held liable for damages in such situations and they have the RIGHT to sue for compensation.

“STRICTLY speaking”, that is.

As a Dog Owner ('full disclosure'), I would have NO problem accepting this argument PROVIDING *I*/*MY* INSURANCE COMPANY would have an EQUAL RIGHT to sue PARENTS for damages/compensation if *I*, while driving *MY* vehicle, though NO FAULT OF *MY* OWN, should come to be involved in an accident which resulted in the death of *their* CHILD: say, carelessly operating a bicycle or, EVEN, A 'TODDLER', left unsupervised by THEIR parents, who might wander onto the road into the path of my vehicle, BE STRUCK AND KILLED AND wind up causing damage to IT in the process.

That sounds completely FAIR to ME!!!

I KNOW 'they' lost their CHILD but HECK, what about me? WHAT ABOUT *ME*?

(It IS 'all about ME' in today's world, isn't it???)

*I* would be 'out of pocket' for MY DEDUCTIBLE (at least) in this case and *I* should have the right to sue also, as should MY insurance company.

'Quid pro quo', I'm sure 'you' MUST all agree. It's only 'FAIR', right? *I* am 'Out-of-Pocket'.

'State Farm' is a real “………………” (fill in the blanks) of a Company.

And: 'Dumb', DUMB beyond belief.

The Bad P-R State Farm is going to get from this story as spreads around the Internet (I first became aware of it today on the ***CBC-TV National News Network***), is going to cost them far, FAR MORE than they're EVER going to be able to retrieve from the dog's owner(s), ESPECIALLY from future POTENTIAL dog-owning customers who will now not even consider doing ANY kind of business with them, auto-related or OTHERWISE.

Whether you agree or not, like dogs or not, to many, MANY people, their dogs are THEIR 'KIDS' and this whole incident will STINK TO 'HIGH HEAVEN'…

It will be perceived as YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE (we've had LOTS in the news in the last year and a half or so) of the TOTALLY CALLOUS, INSENSITIVE GREED of (big) business(es) in North America today.

If I worked at State Farm and had the authority, I would FIRE the (…unprintable…) who decided to try to claim for damages in this case for reasons of 'terminal stupidity'…

So far, I've sent copies of this news article to over TEN dog and kennel clubs in Canada and
the U.S., requesting that they spread it far and wide to their members and other to other clubs so that, to the extent they think is appropriate, it might help them 'shop' when looking for Auto, Home, Business or Life Insurance, or other Financial/Investment Services and Products such as Mutual Funds…

If I were the owners of the dog it this case, I would say 'Sue Me' and hope they (State Farm) did. And IF they did, I would contact as many local and (some) national newspapers as I could to advise them of that fact and tell them that I would keep them apprised of developments… Ya really want to keep them in the public spotlight…

Ya ever wonder, in this case, if the *owner* of the vehicle that was damaged had to 'gall', the insensitivity, to sue for his 'DEDUCTIBLE'??? If ya THINK about it, that smaller amount in *absolute* terms is almost certainly more significant on a *relative* basis than this *larger* amount to a company the size of state farm.

Personally, I would NEVER, EVER have the 'gall', the insensitivity, in cases like this to decide to sue the dogs owners. In fact, it would NEVER, EVER even OCCUR to me!!! I would have just 'eaten' the cost, knowing how devastated the owners must feel at the loss of THEIR 'child'….

Even if I was NOT at fault, I would even offer to buy them another dog, out of compassion.

State Farm appears to be just another example of the morally and ethically bankrupt state of 'Big Business' in North America today.

But 'hey', today, EVERYTHING is about $.$$. NOTHING is more important that '$.$$…

In closing, you might find THIS story of some interest also. (I wonder if S-F was the Insurance Company if this case also…

'Teen Babysitter Sued Over Fire'…

http://news.aol.ca/ca/article/teen-babysitter-s…

P.S. If, perchance, my post might have made you stop and THINK a bit, and perhaps reconsider your opinion, bring it more into alignment with human compassion, I'd be (admittedly) pleased. But/and I would wonder if you might wish to consider 'looking at yourself in the mirror' and thoughtfully ask yourself: “Why did you have to be TOLD this…' ???

Peace!

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Control your dog. If you don't, you are responsible. Very simple

Control your dog. If you don't, you are responsible. Simple.

i too have seen the horrors insurance companies inflict on their consumers (medical claims)…thank you for putting this in rational well thought terms…

what if that something in the road had not been a living creature? there are lots of things in the road – pipes, mattresses, hub caps…shit happens, that's WHY we have insurance…

what if the something in the road had not been a dog? there is plenty of crap on the road, in fact, driving home today a pipe fell off a truck and speared the driver's side head-light of another car on the freeway…whose fault is it if the driver can't identify the truck it fell off of? the driver had NO way to get out of the way of the pipe, and the 10 or so cars in the immediate vicinity were lucky it wasn't any worse than it was. i see the dog kinda like the pipe…the insurance company should pay up!

WRONG. Loose dogs are a menace to people and traffic alike.

The people should not only have to pay for the damages, but should be fined for allowing their dog to become a public safety problem.

WRONG. Loose dogs are a menace to people and traffic alike.

The people should not only have to pay for the damages, but should be fined for allowing their dog to become a public safety problem.

Show me where the driver was driving irresponsibly.

Drivers should not have to creep at 5mph just in case someone is negligent with their pet.

Show me where the driver was driving irresponsibly.

Drivers should not have to creep at 5mph just in case someone is negligent with their pet.

The quiet of the neighborhood is destroyed by some ignorant jerk allowing his dog to roam the streets without a leash.

This is 100% the negligent pet owner’s fault. If you can’t see that, you are just being obtuse.

The quiet of the neighborhood is destroyed by some ignorant jerk allowing his dog to roam the streets without a leash.

This is 100% the negligent pet owner’s fault. If you can’t see that, you are just being obtuse.

Sad to say the correct answer in this society is:
a. pass it on to your homeowners insurance to pay or fight
II ignore it and it will go away
3 hire a lawyer

Who wins?

I agree with Larry. The community has a leash law that was ignored at the dog owner’s risk. This is a hard lesson for them to learn, at their poor dog’s fatal expense. Sounds like animal cruelty to me. They should feel lucky that the animal control officers are not after them for negligence.

I agree with Larry. The community has a leash law that was ignored at the dog owner’s risk. This is a hard lesson for them to learn, at their poor dog’s fatal expense. Sounds like animal cruelty to me. They should feel lucky that the animal control officers are not after them for negligence.

gee whiz, caqn’t you read? The article clearly sates that she let the dog out of the backyard, and it clearly statesw that moment later a man knocked at the door reporting he had run over the dog. Sorry, but how do you know the dog was “just walking around”? The owner did not keep an eye on their dog, and the person who hit it reported it immediately.

If somone lets out their animal they are responsible for it’s actions, and any damages it causes. Would you be so apt to side with the dog owner f their pet had attacked and injured a child when they broke the laws by letting it roam free off leash? No, you’d be calling for the head of the owner. Responsibility is theirs, despite the suffering they may feel about their pet. Suffering does not remove responsibility.

Wow, grammer police. Instead of addressing the actual postings at hand, you attack the writing capabilities of the poster. A sure sign that you have a burning need to feel superior, but since your arguments on the merits won’t work, you choose to be pedantic and spout your superior language skills. What a tool you are.

read the story again. The person who hit the dog immediately went to the door and informed the owner. Get your facts straight, it’s right there in the story.

If the owner had followed the law, there would be no story here. There would have been no accident to write about. Would you be clammoring for the dog owner if this dog had attacked and injured someone? No, you’d be calling for the head of the dog owner for breaking the law. Funny, just because the animal got killed, you seem to think that exonnerates the owner for responsibility. If they knowwingly let out their dog, contrary to public safety laws, then it is their own fault. Doesn’t anyone believe in personal responsibility anymore?

Well said larry.

It's the owner of the dog's responsibility. Stop making excuses for their negligent behavior.

Animal haters are the type that would let a dog run loose on the street.

The owners of the dog are at fault. Case closed.

The compassionate thing would have been to NOT let the dog run loose in the street.

Dogs should not be running loose in the street. Get over yourself

Undrgrndgirl: “That's WHY we have insurance…”

Yeah, sure. So my insurance company tells me to pay the first few hundred bucks in any case, and then ups my insurance next time around, because I made a claim.

Insurance is for when we make a mistake and cause damage, or when nobody is to blame, or nobody else is caught. In this case there _is_ someone to blame – the owners of the damned dog, who allowed the stupid thing to run around in the road!

A couple of years ago I struck and killed a German Shepherd with my 1963 Corvair. The dog was being walked, at night, in a dark but high-traffic residential neighborhood and without a leash. As I passed a line of cars waiting for a turn it ran out in front of me from between two cars. I had actually hit it even before I could apply the brakes.

It was a terrible experience, physically it felt like hitting a person. It also did so much damage to my car that I eventually decided not to repair it, and now it sits, covered by a tarp, behind my garage.

Would I like for the people walking that dog to fix my car? You bet.

Oh, yea, I was under the speed limit. I do not ever speed. Even in 25 mph zones.

A dog ran out in front f my car on a busy road, the yard had no fence ther was nothing I could do, all I saw was a little flash of fur and a thump, i didnt know what happened until i looked in the review mirror. I turned aroudn and went back and a young lady was crying holding the dog in her arms and giving it CPR and her mother was YELLING at her, telling her thats what she gets for letting the dog loose, she TOLD her that was going to happen but NO she never listens! I turned to the mother and told her to shut the fvck up, your daughter learned her lesson the hard fvcking way she doesnt need your power trip shlt on top fof it right now. i tried to get her to put the dog int he car, there was a vet just downt he road but just she just shook er said and kept saying just please go. So finally i left. Moas tof you people here are just like the sick twisted sadistic mom!

The owners of the dog have no contract with State Fraud. The law controls who pays in this situation.

In California, the driver would be responsible. Dogs are a known driving hazard, and it’s the driver’s personal responsibility to avoid all hazards, known or unknown.

See my response above.

Someone else not living up to their personal responsibilities does not absolve you of failing to live up to YOUR personal responsibilities.

Unless you are a republican.

I make no excuses for anyone’s behavior. Especially not for the driver who has the personal responsibility for driving in a safe manner and avoiding all hazards, including dogs, kids, other stray animals, ect.

Apparently, republicans believe that they should.

What about the personal responsibility of the driver?

In California, this would be the driver’s fault.

Someone else not acting responsibly does not absolve you of your duty to act responsibly.

It’s actually much cheaper than replacing the old system for energy absorbing bumpers.

So, you advocate just mowing down God’s creatures?

If it had been a kid there would have been a serious police investigation. However, it entirely possible that the driver was attentive, moving at a lawful speed and circumstances are such that the regrettable was unavoidable on the motorist's part (for instance darting out between parked cars directly in front of a moving car where simple physics and reaction times dictate the result). If that is the case I could see any liability, including criminal liability in the case of a young child, falling on the family. Very tragic no doubt but not the driver's fault.

In California (again) your scenario would only have been a problem in deciding whether to pay for the damage to the windshield out of the comprehensive or collision coverage. If you had different deductibles it would matter to you.

Generally here it’s a comprehensive claim. You can sue in small claims court.

In California (again) your scenario would only have been a problem in deciding whether to pay for the damage to the windshield out of the comprehensive or collision coverage. If you had different deductibles it would matter to you.

Generally here it’s a comprehensive claim. You can sue in small claims court.

you don't know nothing… I almost got killed in a motorcycle accident cuz some woman insisted on feeding stray cats and they were always crossing the street. She let them run free when she should have only fed her own inside cat.

If a parent isn't controlling their child then it's them who get's in trouble for child endangerment by letting them cross a busy road without teaching them better. I would think the parent would be more at fault in that case and should be held responsible for his/her child's death as well as any damage to me.

Actually, I know a lot about California law, at least.

Cat and children are known hazards, and it's the personal responsibility to not hit them.

I don't know where YOU got driver training, but where I got driver training I was taught to always drive at a safe speed for ANY condition, and to always assume that a kid is going to come out of between any two parked cars.

Perhaps my driving instructor, Mr. Voight, was much better at his job than your driving instructor.

Please, ur an idiot if you think I wasn’t trained the same way and you’re a bigger idiot if you think people or animals only get hit when people are careless drivers.
Pedestrians need to be more aware because if they are in the wrong place at the wrong time they’re dead even if the best driver in the world is behind the wheel. There’s laws against shooting people, does that mean you won’t get shot by someone while you’re out hunting? Ask Dick Cheney.
trust me when I say I know more about california driver’s law than you. You can drive as defensively and safely as you want and a child is still gonna get killed because some stupid parent doesn’t know how to raise a kid – especially in California.
I see them, they just walk across the street without looking like no one will ever hit them because they were raised to think that no one will ever run them over…
Ready for this? I’ve been on both sides – motorcycle hitting a cat at 45mph and almost dying cuz my frontwheel locked when the cat got caught and almost getting killed in a crosswalk by an idiot who wasn’t paying attention.
I’m thinking I have more experience than you and more knowledge.

My goodness, you are bitter, stupid, and you just make crap up.

Again, interesting that you argue for personal responsibility while arguing against personal responsibility.

I have plenty of experience and knowledge, obviously more than you because I don’t hold prejudiced opinions as you obviously do.

the driver could have crashed himself and get injured while trying to avoid the dog….thankfully he was alright…too bad about the dog….it is sad, but this is why we have laws…if the law says clearly that the dog should have had a leash and it didn't, then the owner has to face the consequence and pay up….it's a black and white case….

Now a days accidents are done here and there because of rough driving and some lack of attention. In this case both the car driver and dog and its owner are in fault. The driver driving the car roughly and the owner has put their dog alone that is why he ran away and met with an accident.

Again you prove how much lack of reasoning you have. The fact that I’ve been on both sides prove I don’t hold prejudiced feelings… I was nearly killed in both instances. Make crap up? Tell me when and I’m happy to show you how my tibia slides out of my knee and the 11″ surgery scar across the same knee… also happy to show you the multiple scars from road rash all over because of the cat except from where my head was split open cuz I have hair there – but you can still feel the scar and indentation when you touch it.
I’ve only argued that any person who is insensitive enough to allow their animals to die because they don’t train them or stupid enough not to teach their children well are responsible for their deaths and the damage they do. I also stated that accidents do happen even when both parties are careful – that’s why a jury decides.

I’ll add something to this… That woman with the cats would adopt cats and feed strays. And when one died from crossing the busy road near her house she would just get another. In the 5 years before I hit her cat with my motorcycle – while going the speed limit and obeying all laws – there had been 3 other cats that she allowed to die because she wouldn’t keep them indoors. When I went to PETA and asked them to help me sue her because she continually killed cats and wasn’t fit to own any, PETA declined. Their argument? Because then people wouldn’t adopt animals. I then asked them, So it’s okay to adopt even if you kill animals? And they said yes, it doesn’t matter what happens to them after as long as they’re adopted. That is why I don’t give to PETA and ask people not to.

Again you prove how much lack of reasoning you have. The fact that I’ve been on both sides prove I don’t hold prejudiced feelings… I was nearly killed in both instances. Make crap up? Tell me when and I’m happy to show you how my tibia slides out of my knee and the 11″ surgery scar across the same knee… also happy to show you the multiple scars from road rash all over because of the cat except from where my head was split open cuz I have hair there – but you can still feel the scar and indentation when you touch it.
I’ve only argued that any person who is insensitive enough to allow their animals to die because they don’t train them or stupid enough not to teach their children well are responsible for their deaths and the damage they do. I also stated that accidents do happen even when both parties are careful – that’s why a jury decides.

I’ll add something to this… That woman with the cats would adopt cats and feed strays. And when one died from crossing the busy road near her house she would just get another. In the 5 years before I hit her cat with my motorcycle – while going the speed limit and obeying all laws – there had been 3 other cats that she allowed to die because she wouldn’t keep them indoors. When I went to PETA and asked them to help me sue her because she continually killed cats and wasn’t fit to own any, PETA declined. Their argument? Because then people wouldn’t adopt animals. I then asked them, So it’s okay to adopt even if you kill animals? And they said yes, it doesn’t matter what happens to them after as long as they’re adopted. That is why I don’t give to PETA and ask people not to.

Again you prove how much lack of reasoning you have. The fact that I’ve been on both sides prove I don’t hold prejudiced feelings… I was nearly killed in both instances. Make crap up? Tell me when and I’m happy to show you how my tibia slides out of my knee and the 11″ surgery scar across the same knee… also happy to show you the multiple scars from road rash all over because of the cat except from where my head was split open cuz I have hair there – but you can still feel the scar and indentation when you touch it.
I’ve only argued that any person who is insensitive enough to allow their animals to die because they don’t train them or stupid enough not to teach their children well are responsible for their deaths and the damage they do. I also stated that accidents do happen even when both parties are careful – that’s why a jury decides.

I’ll add something to this… That woman with the cats would adopt cats and feed strays. And when one died from crossing the busy road near her house she would just get another. In the 5 years before I hit her cat with my motorcycle – while going the speed limit and obeying all laws – there had been 3 other cats that she allowed to die because she wouldn’t keep them indoors. When I went to PETA and asked them to help me sue her because she continually killed cats and wasn’t fit to own any, PETA declined. Their argument? Because then people wouldn’t adopt animals. I then asked them, So it’s okay to adopt even if you kill animals? And they said yes, it doesn’t matter what happens to them after as long as they’re adopted. That is why I don’t give to PETA and ask people not to.

Again you prove how much lack of reasoning you have. The fact that I’ve been on both sides prove I don’t hold prejudiced feelings… I was nearly killed in both instances. Make crap up? Tell me when and I’m happy to show you how my tibia slides out of my knee and the 11″ surgery scar across the same knee… also happy to show you the multiple scars from road rash all over because of the cat except from where my head was split open cuz I have hair there – but you can still feel the scar and indentation when you touch it.
I’ve only argued that any person who is insensitive enough to allow their animals to die because they don’t train them or stupid enough not to teach their children well are responsible for their deaths and the damage they do. I also stated that accidents do happen even when both parties are careful – that’s why a jury decides.

I’ll add something to this… That woman with the cats would adopt cats and feed strays. And when one died from crossing the busy road near her house she would just get another. In the 5 years before I hit her cat with my motorcycle – while going the speed limit and obeying all laws – there had been 3 other cats that she allowed to die because she wouldn’t keep them indoors. When I went to PETA and asked them to help me sue her because she continually killed cats and wasn’t fit to own any, PETA declined. Their argument? Because then people wouldn’t adopt animals. I then asked them, So it’s okay to adopt even if you kill animals? And they said yes, it doesn’t matter what happens to them after as long as they’re adopted. That is why I don’t give to PETA and ask people not to.

My reasoning skills are quite intact, thank you.

Your post proves that you are bitter. It was YOUR personal responsibility when you decided to drive a motorcycle to accept the risks involved. Motorcycles aren’t called “Two wheeled death warrants” for nothing.

I can’t speak to your attack on PETA other than to say that in California it’s illegal for a shelter to allow a person who is irresponsible with pets to adopt.

So, let’s recap: You were riding a dangerous motorcycle without a helmet, going too fast for the conditions, you hit a cat-an open and notorious road hazard that you failed in your duty as a rider to account for, and you were injured badly. And then you blame PETA and the cat owner.

Personal responsibility: get some!

You also state that you had a scalp injury. Since scalp injuries don’t happen very often with helmeted riders, it is apparent that you took no personal responsibility for your own safety and rode a motorcycle without a helmet.

You also state that you were “doing the speed limit and obeying all laws”. If you live in California, you weren’t obeying the law as there is an exception to the speed limit law that states you have to be traveling a speed that is safe for the conditions.

My reasoning skills are quite intact, thank you.

Your post proves that you are bitter. It was YOUR personal responsibility when you decided to drive a motorcycle to accept the risks involved. Motorcycles aren’t called “Two wheeled death warrants” for nothing.

I can’t speak to your attack on PETA other than to say that in California it’s illegal for a shelter to allow a person who is irresponsible with pets to adopt.

So, let’s recap: You were riding a dangerous motorcycle without a helmet, going too fast for the conditions, you hit a cat-an open and notorious road hazard that you failed in your duty as a rider to account for, and you were injured badly. And then you blame PETA and the cat owner.

Personal responsibility: get some!

You also state that you had a scalp injury. Since scalp injuries don’t happen very often with helmeted riders, it is apparent that you took no personal responsibility for your own safety and rode a motorcycle without a helmet.

You also state that you were “doing the speed limit and obeying all laws”. If you live in California, you weren’t obeying the law as there is an exception to the speed limit law that states you have to be traveling a speed that is safe for the conditions.

My reasoning skills are quite intact, thank you.

Your post proves that you are bitter. It was YOUR personal responsibility when you decided to drive a motorcycle to accept the risks involved. Motorcycles aren’t called “Two wheeled death warrants” for nothing.

I can’t speak to your attack on PETA other than to say that in California it’s illegal for a shelter to allow a person who is irresponsible with pets to adopt.

So, let’s recap: You were riding a dangerous motorcycle without a helmet, going too fast for the conditions, you hit a cat-an open and notorious road hazard that you failed in your duty as a rider to account for, and you were injured badly. And then you blame PETA and the cat owner.

Personal responsibility: get some!

You also state that you had a scalp injury. Since scalp injuries don’t happen very often with helmeted riders, it is apparent that you took no personal responsibility for your own safety and rode a motorcycle without a helmet.

You also state that you were “doing the speed limit and obeying all laws”. If you live in California, you weren’t obeying the law as there is an exception to the speed limit law that states you have to be traveling a speed that is safe for the conditions.

My reasoning skills are quite intact, thank you.

Your post proves that you are bitter. It was YOUR personal responsibility when you decided to drive a motorcycle to accept the risks involved. Motorcycles aren’t called “Two wheeled death warrants” for nothing.

I can’t speak to your attack on PETA other than to say that in California it’s illegal for a shelter to allow a person who is irresponsible with pets to adopt.

So, let’s recap: You were riding a dangerous motorcycle without a helmet, going too fast for the conditions, you hit a cat-an open and notorious road hazard that you failed in your duty as a rider to account for, and you were injured badly. And then you blame PETA and the cat owner.

Personal responsibility: get some!

You also state that you had a scalp injury. Since scalp injuries don’t happen very often with helmeted riders, it is apparent that you took no personal responsibility for your own safety and rode a motorcycle without a helmet.

You also state that you were “doing the speed limit and obeying all laws”. If you live in California, you weren’t obeying the law as there is an exception to the speed limit law that states you have to be traveling a speed that is safe for the conditions.

I am appalled that this woman who killed the dog claims it on her car insurance, and wants the dead dog owner to pay. Shame on you lady and shame on State Farm Insurance.You will never get my business, how unethical is that ? To pet lovers our animals are our children, and you have the nerve to add insult to injury. The police should be charging the lady who killed the dog with careless driving.( I wonder if she was talking on her cell phone )
What's next you kill a child and force the family to pay for the damage to your car ?
What on earth is wrong with these people? Some people have no morals and no compassion, and this driver and State Farm Insurance have clearly demonstrated that.

Speed limit 45, rural road, I was going 45, 10am july 5th, beautiful sunny day. Animals do what they think is right… they crouch down because they think a horse is coming towards them… a horse would have jumped over. I’m very responsible in that I tried to stop this woman but was unfortunately not rich enough to hire an attorney to do so.

There were no helmet laws in Maryland at the time and you really are showing lack of knowledge when it comes to helmets. What they don’t teach you about helmet laws is that helmets cause more snapped necks than going without helmets. I’d rather be dead than burden my family as a quadriplegic. Helmets also limit visibility and hearing. The way I landed I would have definitely snapped my neck so I guess I saved my life by not wearing a helmet. You aren’t a rider so you don’t know… you’re likely a republican because you take what the government tells you as truth.

Typical republican… you assume facts not in evidence. Please move along until you have all the facts and try not to prove how little you know. You are a waste of my time until you know as much as I do. Yes, I’ll say it… wasting my time with a brain dead imbecile like you is not something I wish to continue. Go away.

Speed limit 45, rural road, I was going 45, 10am july 5th, beautiful sunny day. Animals do what they think is right… they crouch down because they think a horse is coming towards them… a horse would have jumped over. I’m very responsible in that I tried to stop this woman but was unfortunately not rich enough to hire an attorney to do so.

There were no helmet laws in Maryland at the time and you really are showing lack of knowledge when it comes to helmets. What they don’t teach you about helmet laws is that helmets cause more snapped necks than going without helmets. I’d rather be dead than burden my family as a quadriplegic. Helmets also limit visibility and hearing. The way I landed I would have definitely snapped my neck so I guess I saved my life by not wearing a helmet. You aren’t a rider so you don’t know… you’re likely a republican because you take what the government tells you as truth.

Typical republican… you assume facts not in evidence. Please move along until you have all the facts and try not to prove how little you know. You are a waste of my time until you know as much as I do. Yes, I’ll say it… wasting my time with a brain dead imbecile like you is not something I wish to continue. Go away.

I am not a republican, so you are the one assuming facts not in evidence.

Your diatribe against helmets is all crap. I know a lot about helmets, and not wearing one is extremely stupid. Laws do not matter. There is no evidence anywhere from any reliable source for the myth that helmets cause “snapped necks”.

I have been asking for medical evidence from any reputable source of a case where a “snapped neck” occurred because of a helmet that wouldn’t have occurred without a helmet. I have been asking that question for 35 years, and nobody has ever produced that evidence.

I am a rider. Riding a motorcycle is dangerous.

If you would have found a lawyer to take your case, that lawyer would be committing malpractice. Speed limit laws don’t matter in this case-you have to be traveling a speed that is appropriate for the condition.

Unless the cat owner threw the cat at you, you have no case.

You live in a world where you want to blame others for your bad decisions and/or you choose to believe in fantasies that exonerate you for your bad decisions.

I am not a republican, so you are the one assuming facts not in evidence.

Your diatribe against helmets is all crap. I know a lot about helmets, and not wearing one is extremely stupid. Laws do not matter. There is no evidence anywhere from any reliable source for the myth that helmets cause “snapped necks”.

I have been asking for medical evidence from any reputable source of a case where a “snapped neck” occurred because of a helmet that wouldn’t have occurred without a helmet. I have been asking that question for 35 years, and nobody has ever produced that evidence.

I am a rider. Riding a motorcycle is dangerous.

If you would have found a lawyer to take your case, that lawyer would be committing malpractice. Speed limit laws don’t matter in this case-you have to be traveling a speed that is appropriate for the condition.

Unless the cat owner threw the cat at you, you have no case.

You live in a world where you want to blame others for your bad decisions and/or you choose to believe in fantasies that exonerate you for your bad decisions.

I am not a republican, so you are the one assuming facts not in evidence.

Your diatribe against helmets is all crap. I know a lot about helmets, and not wearing one is extremely stupid. Laws do not matter. There is no evidence anywhere from any reliable source for the myth that helmets cause “snapped necks”.

I have been asking for medical evidence from any reputable source of a case where a “snapped neck” occurred because of a helmet that wouldn’t have occurred without a helmet. I have been asking that question for 35 years, and nobody has ever produced that evidence.

I am a rider. Riding a motorcycle is dangerous.

If you would have found a lawyer to take your case, that lawyer would be committing malpractice. Speed limit laws don’t matter in this case-you have to be traveling a speed that is appropriate for the condition.

Unless the cat owner threw the cat at you, you have no case.

You live in a world where you want to blame others for your bad decisions and/or you choose to believe in fantasies that exonerate you for your bad decisions.

Here you go dragging me in… A. The Republican comment was an insult because I knew you weren’t one. B. as I said, “Speed limit 45, rural road, I was going 45, 10am july 5th, beautiful sunny day.” I’ll add it was a Sunday morning… I’ll also add had I been going under the speed limit that the cat still would have stopped under my tire and I could have gotten a ticket for hindering traffic had there been traffic because if you hadn’t heard the first 2 times. BEAUTIFUL SUNNY MORNING WITH NOTHING THAT WOULD INDICATE I SHOULD DRIVE SLOWER!! C. There was a case you idiot… Leash laws exist for cats too – again assuming facts not in evidence. D, When I hit the cat I made absolutely no bad decision… Again, going speed limit, to the right, gravel and trees, to the left one lone vehicle in oncoming traffic. Ahead, a cat running across the street and stopping and crouching as they do naturally when a horse comes at them, right in my path with no time to swerve. If you haven’t ever learned, when faced with an animal in your path you are supposed to try to ride through them – as the motorcycle manual suggests!
E. Please, you drive a Cessna. LMAO! That’s a motorcycle like a kite is a plane… what the fnck would you know! LMAO! You don’t have common sense, you don’t have reasoning skills, you don’t know what you’re supposed to do when faced with the situation and you don’t know what I went through… everything you’ve said is based on nothing and everything I’ve said is based in fact.
I’ll say one last thing… You’re too stupid for me to waste my time yet I was too stupid when I wasted it… again go away you fncking idiot. I will no longer read anything you have to say on the subject because you know nothing about it. So now you should waste your time writing something I won’t read.

Here you go dragging me in… A. The Republican comment was an insult because I knew you weren’t one. B. as I said, “Speed limit 45, rural road, I was going 45, 10am july 5th, beautiful sunny day.” I’ll add it was a Sunday morning… I’ll also add had I been going under the speed limit that the cat still would have stopped under my tire and I could have gotten a ticket for hindering traffic had there been traffic because if you hadn’t heard the first 2 times. BEAUTIFUL SUNNY MORNING WITH NOTHING THAT WOULD INDICATE I SHOULD DRIVE SLOWER!! C. There was a case you idiot… Leash laws exist for cats too – again assuming facts not in evidence. D, When I hit the cat I made absolutely no bad decision… Again, going speed limit, to the right, gravel and trees, to the left one lone vehicle in oncoming traffic. Ahead, a cat running across the street and stopping and crouching as they do naturally when a horse comes at them, right in my path with no time to swerve. If you haven’t ever learned, when faced with an animal in your path you are supposed to try to ride through them – as the motorcycle manual suggests!
E. Please, you drive a Cessna. LMAO! That’s a motorcycle like a kite is a plane… what the fnck would you know! LMAO! You don’t have common sense, you don’t have reasoning skills, you don’t know what you’re supposed to do when faced with the situation and you don’t know what I went through… everything you’ve said is based on nothing and everything I’ve said is based in fact.
I’ll say one last thing… You’re too stupid for me to waste my time yet I was too stupid when I wasted it… again go away you fncking idiot. I will no longer read anything you have to say on the subject because you know nothing about it. So now you should waste your time writing something I won’t read.

Here you go dragging me in… A. The Republican comment was an insult because I knew you weren’t one. B. as I said, “Speed limit 45, rural road, I was going 45, 10am july 5th, beautiful sunny day.” I’ll add it was a Sunday morning… I’ll also add had I been going under the speed limit that the cat still would have stopped under my tire and I could have gotten a ticket for hindering traffic had there been traffic because if you hadn’t heard the first 2 times. BEAUTIFUL SUNNY MORNING WITH NOTHING THAT WOULD INDICATE I SHOULD DRIVE SLOWER!! C. There was a case you idiot… Leash laws exist for cats too – again assuming facts not in evidence. D, When I hit the cat I made absolutely no bad decision… Again, going speed limit, to the right, gravel and trees, to the left one lone vehicle in oncoming traffic. Ahead, a cat running across the street and stopping and crouching as they do naturally when a horse comes at them, right in my path with no time to swerve. If you haven’t ever learned, when faced with an animal in your path you are supposed to try to ride through them – as the motorcycle manual suggests!
E. Please, you drive a Cessna. LMAO! That’s a motorcycle like a kite is a plane… what the fnck would you know! LMAO! You don’t have common sense, you don’t have reasoning skills, you don’t know what you’re supposed to do when faced with the situation and you don’t know what I went through… everything you’ve said is based on nothing and everything I’ve said is based in fact.
I’ll say one last thing… You’re too stupid for me to waste my time yet I was too stupid when I wasted it… again go away you fncking idiot. I will no longer read anything you have to say on the subject because you know nothing about it. So now you should waste your time writing something I won’t read.

Here you go dragging me in… A. The Republican comment was an insult because I knew you weren’t one. B. as I said, “Speed limit 45, rural road, I was going 45, 10am july 5th, beautiful sunny day.” I’ll add it was a Sunday morning… I’ll also add had I been going under the speed limit that the cat still would have stopped under my tire and I could have gotten a ticket for hindering traffic had there been traffic because if you hadn’t heard the first 2 times. BEAUTIFUL SUNNY MORNING WITH NOTHING THAT WOULD INDICATE I SHOULD DRIVE SLOWER!! C. There was a case you idiot… Leash laws exist for cats too – again assuming facts not in evidence. D, When I hit the cat I made absolutely no bad decision… Again, going speed limit, to the right, gravel and trees, to the left one lone vehicle in oncoming traffic. Ahead, a cat running across the street and stopping and crouching as they do naturally when a horse comes at them, right in my path with no time to swerve. If you haven’t ever learned, when faced with an animal in your path you are supposed to try to ride through them – as the motorcycle manual suggests!
E. Please, you drive a Cessna. LMAO! That’s a motorcycle like a kite is a plane… what the fnck would you know! LMAO! You don’t have common sense, you don’t have reasoning skills, you don’t know what you’re supposed to do when faced with the situation and you don’t know what I went through… everything you’ve said is based on nothing and everything I’ve said is based in fact.
I’ll say one last thing… You’re too stupid for me to waste my time yet I was too stupid when I wasted it… again go away you fncking idiot. I will no longer read anything you have to say on the subject because you know nothing about it. So now you should waste your time writing something I won’t read.

Here you go dragging me in… A. The Republican comment was an insult because I knew you weren’t one. B. as I said, “Speed limit 45, rural road, I was going 45, 10am july 5th, beautiful sunny day.” I’ll add it was a Sunday morning… I’ll also add had I been going under the speed limit that the cat still would have stopped under my tire and I could have gotten a ticket for hindering traffic had there been traffic because if you hadn’t heard the first 2 times. BEAUTIFUL SUNNY MORNING WITH NOTHING THAT WOULD INDICATE I SHOULD DRIVE SLOWER!! C. There was a case you idiot… Leash laws exist for cats too – again assuming facts not in evidence. D, When I hit the cat I made absolutely no bad decision… Again, going speed limit, to the right, gravel and trees, to the left one lone vehicle in oncoming traffic. Ahead, a cat running across the street and stopping and crouching as they do naturally when a horse comes at them, right in my path with no time to swerve. If you haven’t ever learned, when faced with an animal in your path you are supposed to try to ride through them – as the motorcycle manual suggests!
E. Please, you drive a Cessna. LMAO! That’s a motorcycle like a kite is a plane… what the fnck would you know! LMAO! You don’t have common sense, you don’t have reasoning skills, you don’t know what you’re supposed to do when faced with the situation and you don’t know what I went through… everything you’ve said is based on nothing and everything I’ve said is based in fact.
I’ll say one last thing… You’re too stupid for me to waste my time yet I was too stupid when I wasted it… again go away you fncking idiot. I will no longer read anything you have to say on the subject because you know nothing about it. So now you should waste your time writing something I won’t read.

Please wikipedia the phrase “ad hominem”.

don’t need to… ur right, she was being that way

That is ridiculous! That just happened to us–we live in the country in Jordan and our yellow Lab Bee was with our daughter riding her bike on the driveway and Bee ran out and got hit and killed. My poor daugther tried to give Bee mouth to mouth. This happened on May 20 and it has devastated our family. The guy who hit Bee came to my house and wants $1500 for damages to his old car which was falling apart anyway! What a scammer…I am not paying and he can go thru his insurance co if that is what they do now? Dont people have a heart and soul anymore? Where is the compassion….we lost a member of our family!!

Get a CDL Class XT (Double haz-mat tanker) then tell me about traffic safety

No it's not. Keep your stupid dog on a leash or in your house. It could have cause much more trouble than a damaged bumper. It could have caused an accident and someone could have been killed. This is like saying “Yeah, so I threw my baseball at your house and broke your window. But I wasn't holding the baseball when it hit the window, and I throw that baseball at houses all the time! Why should I pay for the window! Besides! Now I don't have a baseball!”

How stupid do you have to be to get home, open your gate, set your dog out on the streets unsupervised and think “Ope, this is a great idea! A hurr durr!” Fucking idiots.

No it's not. Keep your stupid dog on a leash or in your house. It could have cause much more trouble than a damaged bumper. It could have caused an accident and someone could have been killed. This is like saying “Yeah, so I threw my baseball at your house and broke your window. But I wasn't holding the baseball when it hit the window, and I throw that baseball at houses all the time! Why should I pay for the window! Besides! Now I don't have a baseball!”

How stupid do you have to be to get home, open your gate, set your dog out on the streets unsupervised and think “Ope, this is a great idea! A hurr durr!” Fucking idiots.

Yeah, I feel like this absolutely never happened ever.

No, what should happen is that if you act like an idiot you should have to deal with the consequences of your idiot actions. Especially if you're causing damage or harm to other people or their property. If it bit someone before running into the path of the car, should they not be held accountable for that someone's medical bills? You make your bed, you lie in it.

How is there anything to indicate that this person was not in control of their car? He didn't run up the lawn and drive into the doghouse. The dog RAN OUT IN THE STREET IN FRONT OF A CAR. How is that the driver's fault? It isn't. And I have a sneaking suspicion that you've never driven a car, to make remarks like this.

Imbecile:

I carry a class XT drivers license. So YOU have nothing to teach me
about little ole cars. In case you have no clue what XT endorsement
is. I am licensed to drive double tankers with hazardous materials.
They dont just pass those out to people that eeek by on the test
asking what a yellow light means. By the way it does NOT mean
“caution” it means STOP if you can so do safely. and I would bet my
left leg if we met face to face you woud not even know that a blinking
yellow means! Do you? No!! it does not mean “caution” either. It means
SLOW DOWN 5 MPH. Yes, if you are doing the speed limit through a
blinking yellow light you are SPEEDING.

To answer your question directly. The indication that the car was NOT under control is the fact the driver HIT SOMETHING. If your child ran into the street and got hit by a car I bet you would punish her severely. NO driver should get in the frame of mind that they have any “right of way”. That is ALWAYS given and not taken. Pedestrians and soccer balls and even dogs and objects that fall off a truck in front of you have the right of way and YOU have an OBLIGATION to NOT hit things.

Hello just thought i would tell you something.. This is twice now i’ve landed on your blog in the last 3 weeks searching for totally unrelated things. Spooky or what?

Had there been a child involved, hopefully the parents would have been smart enough to actually watch their kid (what responsible people do). However, that is not the case, it was a dog. A dog without a leash, or supervision. I own two dogs, and it would tear my heart out if either of them got hit by a car, but I would have no one else to blame but myself for them getting hit.

As far as insurance goes, I would hate to have to pay for a large repair bill, but just because I am sad my dog dies, does not mean I am free of responsibility.

It is the same as if someone burned their house down through being negligent home owners, and they caught my house on fire as well. It sucks that they had to go through all that, but they still destroyed my property, and I would love to be compassionate, but I do not deserve a burned down house because of someone being dumb.

That being said, I think the insurance companies do suck, they should not have to take money from people in either case, with all the premiums they get from everyone else, and stipulations they have to screw people out of money, they should have plenty of money to simply pay for the repairs themselves. But the driver should not be facing repair bills for an unfortunate accident that was not their fault. (And yes, it was not their fault, trying dodging something running directly underneath your car…it’s very sad, but it happens).

yeah, good thing, cause that would mean they were negligent parents, instead of just negligent dog owners..

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I believe with the leash laws, comes the responsibility of keeping your animal on your property and if not in your command or property and it cause injury to someone else or their property, you are totally resposible for the cost of injury and repair. Its called liability. If you have child that goes off and vandalizes/ or disupts someones property, you are also reliable. Broken heart or not. Sorry, but that just comes with the resposibilities of having a pet. This day and age it can even work against your home owners ins. if you do not have control of your dog.

it may seem insensetive to you, but my son just had this happen and he is 19 yr old , struggling to make it on his own and could have swerved and went head on into someone else possibly killing someone. I think it is only appropriate that the owner who is willingly taking the risk each time their dog is allowed to stray, is held accountable. It is frustrating. You expect my son to place a clain with our insurance risking them increasing our cost for coverage due to a claim? Because of your dog? So we would ultimately pay for someone else’s bad, ruthless decision to let their dog roam. To me that is heartless and inconsiderate of the dog owner to accept nothing but the responsibility of their dog being in the road.

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Hey, fuck head how about i put your fucking ass in the road and run your sorry ass over you fucking jack off.

You know I wish I had a baseball, i would shove it right up your ass with the bat following you fucking retarded baseball fuck.

i just lost my best friend too so I have lots of compassion for you loss you had in your family..

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Its about pet owners taking responsibility when their animal even under the best of circumstances runs out into the street and causes an accident. Tragic yes, but what about the driver of the car, why should they have to pay to repair their car when it was the per owner’s liability to control their dog with a leash? What if the driver had served and hit another car or a person or an object and hurt themselves, a person or damaged other property? The ethics violation is the pet owner not stepping up and taking responsibility.

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