Argentina’s former president: Bush once claimed, ‘the best way to revitalize the economy is war’

By Stephen C. Webster
Saturday, May 29, 2010 14:10 EST
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Legendary filmmaker Oliver Stone is by no means done exploring the administration of George W. Bush.

While producing new material for his upcoming documentary “South of the Border,” which explores the history of political and social movements in Latin America, Stone sat down to interview former Argentina president Néstor Kirchner.

The subject inevitably turned to George W. Bush, the subject of Stone’s creative nonfiction feature “W”. In front of a film crew, Kirchner confided to Stone that the former U.S. president once directly told him, “The best way to revitalize the economy is war.”

“We had a discussion in Monterrey. I said that a solution for the problems right now, I told Bush, is a Marshall Plan,” he claimed to have suggested. “And he got angry. He said the Marshall Plan is a crazy idea of the Democrats. He said the best way to revitalize the economy is war, and that the United States has grown stronger with war.”

Asked to clarify, Kirchner added: “He said that. Those were his exact words.”

Stone looked aghast, one finger gouging his left eye as if it pained him to hear the confession.

“Was he suggesting that South America go to war?” the director asked.

“Well, he was talking about the United States,” Kirchner replied. “The Democrats had been wrong. All of the economic growth of the United States had been encouraged by the various wars.”

“It is worth noting that despite the prosecution of two major wars, there was very minimal net job growth during Bush’s tenure as president,” Think Progress added. “And of course, he bequeathed an economy that suffered massive job losses in his wake.”

When it was first announced, Stone’s “South of the Border” was characterized as “controversial” due to the director’s public statements on Venezuela leader Hugo Chavez.

“I think he’s an extremely dynamic and charismatic figure,” he’s quoted as saying. “He’s open and warmhearted and big, and a fascinating character.”

“Never has a revolutionary strongman seemed so lovable and cuddly,” National Public Radio summarized. “And Stone, the man who became famous for questioning the official story, never leaves Chavez’s embrace. Stone never asks a hard question. (Instead, he tosses out “Do you have any fun?” and “What time did you get to sleep last night?”) Stone never brings up anything controversial. There is no talk about how Chavez revoked the licenses of private TV and radio stations. There is never any mention of the human rights concerns raised by Amnesty International. Stone never talks to any Venezuelan citizen about the leader.

“Stone gives the same kid-glove treatment to Chavez’s allies. He plays soccer with the president of Bolivia, Evo Morales. He asks the president of Argentina, Cristina Kirchner, how many shoes she owns.”

Time called “South of the Border” a “near sibling” to Michael Moore’s recent production, “Capitalism: A Love Story.”

The film is set to hit U.S. theaters late June.

This video was published to YouTube by user southoftheborderdoc on May 28, 2010.

Stephen C. Webster
Stephen C. Webster
Stephen C. Webster is the senior editor of Raw Story, and is based out of Austin, Texas. He previously worked as the associate editor of The Lone Star Iconoclast in Crawford, Texas, where he covered state politics and the peace movement’s resurgence at the start of the Iraq war. Webster has also contributed to publications such as True/Slant, Austin Monthly, The Dallas Business Journal, The Dallas Morning News, Fort Worth Weekly, The News Connection and others. Follow him on Twitter at @StephenCWebster.
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  • oktoss

    Leaders of nations have known for centuries that the business of war is good for their economies. However, one doesn't lower taxes drastically then start a war and run it on borrowed money unless one stands to gain a LOT of wealth from defense contracts. If W hadn't been a complete idiot he would have known this. I truly believe that every word that came out of his mouth was put there by his handlers. He may have said what he did about war and economy but he had absolutely no idea what it meant.

    W Bush did everything he was told to do by the people who wanted to destroy America, all of them in his administration. They accomplished it by lying and secret threats against any legislator who got in their way. I believe his re-election was illegal. The voting overseer in Ohio admitted that vote-tampering occurred in that election but before he could give us all the dirty details he was killed in a light plane crash which wasn't the least bit suspicious (yeah, right).

    Now W Bush has a book that he hopes will improve his stature. Yet another mistake. What he needs to do is to put the barrel of a gun in his mouth and for the first time in his life, do the right thing. The only way he can stop his reputation from further decline is to cease existing. Then we can at least say he's no longer wasting oxygen, his only positive accomplishment.

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  • pistoff

    we always knew bush was a fucking idiot

  • overdoneputaforkinit

    Bush demonstrates the childishly simple minded thinking of the conservative mindset. To them reality is controlled by simple cause and effect, without consideration of anything more complex or hidden from casual view. Take a desired observable external result, associate with an action that happened at the same time, one that they want to do, and the wished action must therefore be the wished cause. This is why under Bush, the military was the favorite solution to any problem. For example, red cars have a reputation of going fast. Fast cars are loud. Our conservative likes red cars that go fast and are loud. Therefore to make a car go fast, painted it red and punch holes in it's muffler.

    Conservatives have a simple self-serving answer to every problem, just like their religion is superior to science in explaining how reality works.

  • Adam

    There are indeed war profiteers, namely Bush's biggest supporters.

  • Dolmance

    Clearly, this man was just as dumb, and just as much of a mediocrity as the people who inspired him, along with the religious rubes who helped put him over the top and into the White House; “economists” who's slavish devotion to that unspeakable hag, Ayn Rand, with her philosophy of “Greed is Good,” to the overwrought dolt of a “constitutionalist,” Barry Goldwater who never met a Civil Right he liked, antisocial little bigots, racist slob Teabaggers, Rupert Murdoch who hasn't got a political bone in his body and is only out to protect his fellow billionaires…

    We lost a whole decade. We may lose two because of this awfulness. In fact, we may have thrown American into an irreversible decline, which is what it's certainly looking like to the rest of the world.

  • Dolmance

    There's a layer of antisocial personality disorder that manifests in everything they do – from their stubborn dishonesty to their narcissism. They can't be reasoned with. You either trick them into a cure or push them aside – and their disorder is malignant.

  • Dolmance

    Maybe a WWII kind of war is good for the economy, but it also murders hundreds of thousands. Wars today, from Korea to Vietnam broke the bank and put us in horrible recessions. Just like Iraq.

  • pistoff

    nonsense

    war destroys

    that cannot be good for the economy

    govt spending can be good but spending on building is far better than spending on destruction followed by rebuilding

    its just propaganda pushed by weapons makers

    fuck bush

  • pistoff

    you are very very wrong about that

    govt spending does stimulate

    but investment eg schools & roads pays off and is constructive

    military crap tax cuts for the rich drug war are worse than money down the toilet they are destructive

  • Corporate Indu$trial Complex

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    GEORGE BUSH PROVED RIGHT ONCE AGAIN AS PERMANENT WARS REVITALIZE U.S. ECONOMY
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  • Guest

    Considering that the massive ‘investment’ into roads across the country was a major contributor to the car culture, the suburbanization of America, and all the associated problems (not to mention the widespread use of eminent domain to build the roads), I would be inclined to argue that they did little good besides lining the pockets of well-connected construction companies and politicians who doled out the public works expenditure.
    Schools… I’m almost willing to believe that they may have done some good, though I’m not so sure;)

  • overdoneputaforkinit

    Republicans are forever stuck in the past. And their ideology is impervious against any real experience that has disproved it since then. The US just keeps looking for a new WWII experience, failing each time because now is not then.

    Just as there are no longer 1800's outlaw “injuns” to kill, but the US keeps looking to start a new war on short, brown, poor people to conquer and “save”, while conveniently taking their natural resources in their fantasy of a justified payment.

  • CarlPagan

    Sounds like the W that we all know and loathe lol.

  • Anonymous

    Even if it were true, is killing the kind of economy we want? To people who only care about their personal living standard, it would be. Also to Presidents who only care about political points.

  • Chick Dante'

    To dismiss this horrific revelation of Bush's justification for perpetual war as simply nuts or being dumb is to ignore the warnings of some pretty cogent thinkers from Marx, to Arendt to Orwell, to Chomsky and many others. “We are at war with Eastasia and we have always been at war with Eastasia” is how Orwell described it so well in his 1949 fictional account of dystopian dynamics.

    Notice that the USA no longer even debates the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and the necessity of war in Iran. We pass the supplemental appropriations in whatever amounts are requested without dissent. There is no active anti-war movement. Nearly all of us have grown so accustomed that we almost never think about it until we are reminded that we are at war in Afghanistan as if we have always been at war with Afghanistan.

    Bush knew what he was doing. And we let him.

    Now that is dumb.

  • icenine

    So Bush started 2 wars and it still didn't help his economy, which was nothing but harmful tax cuts and bubbles and a loud crash, proving once again that Bush doesn't know what he's talking about.

  • Noelle Bush

    War profits the greedy families and bankers that peddle death for a living. Not much profit to be made by taxpayers on either side, except a destroyed standard of living, and exponetial debt to said death peddlers.
    Repeating a failed conservative meme does not make it true, it just makes the fool saying it look at the more foolish and responsible for the mess created.

  • Ferd

    Gawd I hate that motherf**ker Bush.

  • rsb1

    This comment by 'Shrub' is typical of other CHICKEN-HAWKS.
    This 'person' (I hesitate to use 'man' – intentional lower-case) is a MURDERING PIECE OF SCUM.
    Spawn of shit = shit.
    Like father, like spawn.
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  • Winski

    Shows absolute commitment to stupidity.

  • Jack D. Ripper

    This brilliant idea from a C-grade MBA.

  • Ralph

    He's still a FUCKING JACKOFF! Weren't his fucking wars what fucked up the economy?

  • seriously

    we got something to say about that

    http://guttertruth.blogspot.com/

  • pistoff

    bush should be in prison

    fuck obama

  • pistoff

    duh

    that and his tax cuts for the rich

  • pistoff

    so-called gentlemans cs ie your daddys rich

  • pistoff

    just as crooked as reagan and incredibly even stupider

  • pistoff

    repeating a failed meme makes morons believe it

  • pistoff

    wrong wrong wrong

    govt spending not war stimulated the economy

    war made it worse

  • Dolmance

    It appears you didn't read my post.

  • pistoff

    <quote>Maybe a WWII kind of war is good for the economy</quote>

    i repeat wrong wrong wrong

  • crashchloride

    War profiteering is pretty much a Bush family business. Grandpa Prescott built his empire on it even though he backed the losing side so it's no wonder W would think it's a good idea. Wind or lose Bush and his buddies would make money.

    Sadly the Iraq war is the first successful business venture of W's career and he only had to sell out the future of his country to do it but then I'm sure his brother Bandar has a nice place for him to live when the US goes belly up.

  • http://www.rawstory.com Egret

    10. Poverty of the State exchequer causes an army
    to be maintained by contributions from a distance.
    Contributing to maintain an army at a distance causes
    the people to be impoverished.

    11. On the other hand, the proximity of an army causes
    prices to go up; and high prices cause the people's
    substance to be drained away.

    12. When their substance is drained away, the peasantry
    will be afflicted by heavy exactions.

    13,14. With this loss of substance and exhaustion
    of strength, the homes of the people will be stripped bare,
    and three-tenths of their income will be dissipated;
    while government expenses for broken chariots, worn-out horses,
    breast-plates and helmets, bows and arrows, spears and shields,
    protective mantles, draught-oxen and heavy wagons,
    will amount to four-tenths of its total revenue.

  • PeteWa

    it's a grave failure of the entire world that this war criminal is not already in the Hague where he belongs.

  • Vendetta

    The fact that bush and his administration isn't being tried for war crimes is proof that justice does not exist in the US today. Only highly selective justice with only an eye toward the serf class.

  • idioteraser

    World War 2 you had huge amounts of deficit spending plus taxes were raised and got larger after world war 2.

    You also had huge numbers of people employed by the gov't either working in the military or in the factories/industries supported by gov't money. Thing is in world war 2 the amount of money a stealth bomber would buy would buy a 1000 or so planes same goes for tanks. Today a tank costs as much as a 1000 world war 2 era tanks. So you obviously had much more materials to mine, ship, put into the tanks and the workers building the tanks then a tank today.

  • gr8fuldaniel

    He hasnt even been scraped by a shoe!
    Maybe his Karma will be cancer….this makes me giddy.
    (I know its not very spiritual, I am thinking of justice for all the pain he has caused.)

  • dotmafia

    What Bush really means is that the best way to revitalize his bank account, his cronies, and those he owes his presidency to — is war. He wasn't talking about the average joe citizen nor does he care about the average joe citizen. His only friends are connected to the energy/military industries who profit from war in the Middle East. Also, the US top military warhawks/thinktankers have always advocated war every so often against poor defenseless countries to keep their forces sharp, and to try out their new technological toys on an actual battlefield, so they know how well they will work in a real war against a real foe — such as Russia, China, North Korea etc. Their theory has been — why have the world's best technological weapons and not use them?

  • rock lobster

    Did you ever see the movie Canadian Bacon? If not, get a copy and see how war plays into American political thought, even though its only a comedy.

  • dietwald

    Haha, yes, the Broken Window Fallacy – even after it was gleefully shown to be complete idiocy by Bastiat almost 150 years ago – still reigns supreme. And JM Keynes was its greatest prophet. War, stimulus spending, what have you. As long as the people 'buy' it, why not 'sell' it?
    Ignorance remains the most expensive of all habits.

  • dietwald

    If only you would understand that government spending can't stimulate the economy, either. Broken Window Fallacy is a fallacy no matter which shape the broken window takes.

  • dietwald

    You're so close… Read Bastiat on “Broken Window” and “Public Works”.

  • Dolmance

    You sound about a knowledgeable as our last President.

    Before WWII we were in a Depression, that was partially alleviated by government spending to stimulate employment and create credit for business. But it wasn't enough, for the same reasons – imbecile Republicans wedded to dogma and a hatred of anything that smacked of socialism watered down every bill to stimulate the economy. They were nothing more than a nuisance in the recovery effort, just like today.

    WWII allowed the government to employ virtually everyone in the war effort – in an instant the Depression was over. Taxes were enormous – at 90 plus percent for the rich, but so what?

    Today, the defence industry is concentrated into relatively few companies making very specialized equipment. No longer can the jukebox company “Rockola,” or postal machine manufacturers be drafted to make rifles and such. War today does not offer full employment. It hasn't in more than half a century.

    Nobody but an idiot like Bush would suggest a WWII type of conflagration would be desirable to help the economy, but WWII did pull us out of the Depression.

  • pistoff

    exactly

    if the world had spent the last century's war-wasted money on better things wed all be rolling in clover

  • pistoff

    and once again on yet another topic bush is proven to be retarded and sociopathic

    another product of religion

  • pistoff

    spending money on a tank unless actually used for defense is money wasted

    the same money could have been invested in education health care green energy pollution control disease eradication or a million other things that would be actually useful

    but no you want to waste it

    you could pay someone to dig holes and fill them up again

    is the economy improved? hell no

  • pistoff

    just ask murdoch

  • pistoff

    there is wisdom in that book

  • KWillow

    Wow! Just imagine what our economy would be like if we weren't fighting 2 1/2 wars!

  • Mad Tom

    BUSH: “War's good business, so, YOU give YOUR son”.

    This is a perfect look inside Dubya's diseased insect brain.

    In fact, ALL the Bushes think like this.

  • dennycrane

    Hmmm, create sickness to build up the hospital imperialism, create the DARE program to make money from drugs, have a family that helped Hitler and never work a day in your life so you can be a dry-drunk narcissistic son of a bitch.

  • Igor

    He failed to make any money even on this one.
    He was really no good.

  • mramerica4u

    What fucked up this economy was free trade that made it sweet for industry to leave the country.

  • Lyman

    The founding fathers' attitude was exactly the opposite.
    They had seen what centuries of war had done to Europe.
    They wanted this land to be a place of hope and change.
    Oh well.

  • http://twitter.com/shivabeach Shiva

    I Still do not understand why Bush and Cheney are not in prison. That will boggle my mind forever.

  • Donald

    Nothing surprising with Bush's statement.
    What is surprising is that Obama has followed Bush's policies whether its wars, spying on Americans, backing the banksters, handing the healthcare cartel a windfall profits gift, or letting big oil corporations like BP flaunt worker safety and environmental stewardship. Its like Bush's third term is in full gallop.
    Like Bush, Obama is big on commissions when a FUBAR situation comes to public notice.

  • mick

    Like my partner said …”He's not the sharpest tool in the tool box ,but he is a “tool “.” LOL

  • Satan

    The Senate approved a $59 billion emergency spending bill Thursday evening for more war, I mean, no shit.

  • bush_was_idiot

    It isn't hard to believe, just Google – “Prescott Bush Germany” – it's all documented, and war profiteering runs in the family!

  • Anonymous

    Wait! While I agree with you that bush should do the right thing I think he should take a few other people with him. But the responsibility of improving his legacy for historical purposes has fallen on the Texas school board who are rewriting history to ensure bush’s legacy is a stellar one. Isn’t it nice when all the stars align to create a republican history that will finally outshine any and all past and future democrats!? Soon bush’s likeness will be etched on Mt. Rushmore, right next to that great republican President Ronnie Reagan!

  • bobdevo

    Comments like these from Bush are a good part of the reason Vincent Bugliosi says he could tryand convict Bush for murder based on his fraudulent Iraq War. The most distressing fact, however, is insane US foreign policy cooked up in the 1950's continues to be upheld by Obama, who turns out to be a more articulate and calmer face for the military industrial oligarchy running the show.

  • bobdevo

    Don't forget be a generally sub-mediocre asshat as a human being, Denny.

  • Brian

    Speak for yourself.

  • Brian

    Speak for yourself.

  • mramerica4u

    Good comment Satan but the propaganda suckers will still blame Bush.

  • Asmanski

    Well, of course….read the Report from Iron Mountain…thats the playbook and unless someone with honesty and integrity comes along and changes it…this is our economy….war and bad paper.

  • jeff

    THE BUSH/CHENEY/ROVE/PRINCE/SILVERSTEIN INTERNATIONAL CRIME SYNDICATE

    WAS ALSO EXPERT AT CREATING ALTERNATIVE REALITIES TO HIDE THEIR MANY CRIMES AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT.

    DO THESE 2 EVENTS OCCUR SIMULTANEOUSLY-THURSDAY JULY14,2005:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/15/politics/15re…

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=…

  • Hooker

    Is there any doubt whose presidency has been the most damaging in our history? And all those who voted for the obviously un-qualified ignoramus must share the blame. And learn from what they have wrought.

  • G.Ferri

    These comments tell me a lot about the simple minded beliefs of the bloggers. To actually allow an article like this to work themselves up; believing words from the mouth of a dictatorial sycophant(Stone) who is promoting an upcoming film.

  • luschnig

    Few countries haven't benefited from war. Of course, war is a gamble and if done wrong (from the war-monger's stand point) it is liable to make a mess. Germany stumbled badly in the forties and almost lost the whole country. Up to now, however, America has benefited from war, 300 years of racist expansionist wars have shaped America's geography and natural resource economy. One Civil War and two World Wars have made America an economic powerhouse. But recently Bush stupidly mismanaged the wars of the 00's by refusing to pay for them with taxes and that coupled with the failure of the American military to secure a timely victory In Iraq and Afghanistan may prove an exception to the rule that wars are profitable.

    The rule that says wars are profitable, of course, has to be explained. Wars are profitable for real people, that is the rich but wars are bad for unreal people because they are not rich.

  • wiseturtle

    Teabaggers' favorite idiot from the village.

  • textynn

    Economic stimulus for the HaveMores, his base. The money made in wars has been closed off and no bid contract-ed out. War used to stimulate economies until it was privatized. Not that this is in any way a worthwhile way to make money. It is an historic fact that war stimulates economies. That is a normal economy that is not controlled by a few people selling everything to the war down to embroidered hand towels. And in this case, the same people that took us to war on top of that. America is soooooooooo screwed.

    Someone should hand W a newspaper. Oh that's right, the mental midget can't read. Even if someone read it to him he wouldn't understand it. He has no concept of people that aren't rich like his pitifully dumb a$$.

  • airjackie

    Over the eight years in office Bush was high on drugs and drunk and each World Leader have their own story. Americans allowed Bush to do what ever he wanted including War Crimes. Now Republicans/Tea Party/KKK and many Americans don't like having a black intelligent President who is respected all over the World. Several have called for Obama's impeachment for helping a young lady down the stairs and even for taking his wife out on a Date Night. Republican Christian Family Values are shown by the leaders Senator Ensign, Vitters and Craig. Yes cheating, lying, having prostitutes, having sex with animals and much more.

  • giancarlomarandola

    what can i say? if someone tell us from where precisely they got the information about mass distruction weapons maybe we will rest in peace.

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