Activists: Israeli boat raiders had ‘assassination list’

By Daniel Tencer
Saturday, June 5, 2010 21:15 EST
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Dem lawmaker: Prosecute US members of Gaza flotilla

Passengers aboard the Mavi Marmara, the ship raided by Israel Monday, claim they found what they say is a list of people the Israeli military intended to target during their raid, a news report out of Great Britain states.

In an interview with the UK’s Independent on Sunday, Al Jazeera reporter Jamal Elshayyal said passengers who rummaged through Israeli solders’ belongings during the raid found a list of names, accompanied with pictures, of people aboard the flotilla that aimed to break Israel’s blockade of Gaza.

The Independent‘s Catrina Stewart reports:

[T]he protesters rummaged through captured soldiers’ belongings and claimed to unearth a document that they allege is a list of people Israel intended to assassinate. The booklet, written in Hebrew and in English, contained some photographs of passengers on the Marmara, including the leader of IHH, the Turkish charity that provided two of the ships, an 88-year-old priest and Ra’ad Salah, head of the Northern Branch of the Islamic Movement in Israel, Mr Elshayyal said.

A military spokesman, Lt Col Avital Leibowitz, insisted soldiers acted in self-defense and that she “was not aware” of any list.

The allegations appear to directly contradict the Israeli government’s claim that its Marines arrived aboard the Mavi Marmara unprepared for violence, and were taken by surprise by angry activists. The passengers’ claim of an “assassination list” has not been corroborated.

The Israeli government’s claims that the Gaza flotilla had links to al Qaeda and Hamas stem largely from the involvement of IHH, a Turkey-based Islamic charity organization that operates in many countries in the Muslim world.

Israel has accused the group of having links to terrorist organizations, and the group has been banned in Israel since 2008. The US does not list IHH as a terrorist organization.

The Independent‘s Stewart suggests that a recent autopsy report — showing that the flotilla members killed in the raid were shot repeatedly and at close range — strengthens the argument that they may have been targeted for assassination.

An autopsy report from the Turkish council of forensic medicine, obtained by the UK’s Guardian Friday, showed that the nine dead had been shot a total of 30 times, “many fired at close range.”

According to the autopsy report, US citizen Fulkan Dogan was shot five times from less than three feet away. Dogan, a 19-year-old native of Troy, NY, was a dual US and Turkish citizen who was living in Turkey at the time of his death.

Another person killed in the raid was a “journalist taking photos,” the Independent reports, quoting passenger Hassan Ghani, who said the person “was shot … between the eyebrows, which indicates that it was not an attack that took place from self-defense.”

DEMOCRATIC HOUSE REP: JAIL US CITIZENS WHO WERE PART OF FLOTILLA

A Democratic member of the US House of Representatives says he wants to see US citizens aboard the Gaza flotilla prosecuted for providing aid to terrorists.

In a conference call organized by The Israel Project, Rep. Brad Sherman (D-CA) told reporters that activists participating in the flotilla were aiding Hamas and therefore breaking US law.

“The Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 makes it absolutely illegal for any American to give food, money, school supplies, paper clips, concrete or weapons to Hamas or any of its officials,” Sherman said, as quoted at Jim Lobe’s foreign policy blog. “And so I will be asking the Attorney General to prosecute any American involved in what was clearly an effort to give items of value to a terrorist organization.”

TalkingPointsMemo’s M.J. Rosenberg, a frequent writer on Middle East issues, describes Sherman as “the most pro-Likud Democratic member of Congress,” referring to Israel’s most prominent conservative political party. “But this is crazy even for Sherman.”

Sherman’s declaration has taken heat from conservative commentators as well. Writing at The American Conservative, Kelley Vlahos declares that “the overall reaction to the abuse of our citizens has been strangely muted and flaccid — whether at the White House, Capitol Hill or in the corporate media.”

Writes Vlahos: “Instead of demanding an accounting — you know, like Turkey is doing for its own citizens — we have elected leaders trying to put Americans on that flotilla in jail.”

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  • LumberJock

    That old cannard has been stretched soooooooooooooooo thin, that it’s unreliable. Additionally – it assumes facts that don’t exist.

  • wiseturtle

    Fuck that traitor! Another reason not to vote Democratic! Fuck all “is it real” firsters!!!

  • Doubter

    How convenient! An assassination list in Hebrew and ENGLISH? What bullshit.

  • Mad Tom

    Either it's a fraud — or else it is NOT.

    We should follow the truth wherever it may lead us, without fear or favor.

    Deal?

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/BXAID5YQT6YF5MQRPSMFHVT6TA sacha

    i am getting really tired of these zionist democrats

  • Humiliating the Doubter

    Uh “Doubter Moron”, not all the Israeli forces are native-born, Hebrew speakers.

  • donofcali

    “Rep. Brad Sherman (D-CA): it is absolutely illegal for any American to give food, …, school supplies, paper clips, concrete … to Hamas”

    Too bad. This guy is fiscally sharp. But he sure is a POS on this subject. The items mentioned above are like total weapons of mass destruction, not. Just give Israel the $3 billion every year no matter what, eh Brad? Asshole.

  • Prosecute Sherman

    Let's figure out how to start a movement to get filth like Sherman whose first allegiance obviously is to Israel rather than America prosecuted as a traitor. Seems to me he took an oath:

    “I, (name of Member), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

    The international treaties on war that Israel has violated as clearly documented by the Goldstone Report are laws of the land in US and his oath to uphold the Constitution requires him to defend the laws of the land. And for all you ignorant defenders of the war criminals of Israel — the factualness of the specific findings Israel committed war crimes in Gaza have been accepted by the US government, the objection of largely Democratic traitors defending Israel is that it isn't “balanced” whatever that means.

    Moreover, there is no statue of limitations on war crimes or acts of murder, and the USS Liberty case has never been adjudicated. Therefore, Sherman is defending a nation that has committed unadjudicated official acts of murder against US military personal. Those are federal crimes even back then.

  • RadicalCaveman

    The Israeli commandos belong in Turkish jails, to be tried for committing crimes aboard a Turkish vessel on the high seas, which is Turkish territory. If Israel won't renounce their acts and turn them over, then the attack was an act of war against Turkey. That's not me, that's international law.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/BXAID5YQT6YF5MQRPSMFHVT6TA sacha

    brad sherman is a zionist owned bitch

  • BroccoliRob

    Please note the actual text:

    [T]he protesters rummaged through captured soldiers' belongings and claimed to unearth a document that they allege is a list of people Israel intended to assassinate.

    “They Allege”

    I do not see that this was an “Assasination List,” at most, even if such a list existed, it is a list of suspected terrorists onboard the ship..

    Do you seriously thiks the Israeli soldiers had a list that said:

    “HERE ARE THE ONES WE WANT TO ASSASSINATE” on their persons?

  • Elim

    He could be Obama, who recently authorized the same.

  • Elim

    Oh, like they didn’t have a list of those they wanted to assassinate after Munich in 1972? Those were actual terrorrists. In this case, why did they need a list or pictures if all they intended to do was stop and search the contents of that ship? It should not have mattered who was on board, unless these people were being targeted.

  • Elim

    That’s the first sensible thing I’ve seen here from an Israeli supporter since this happened.

  • Anonymous

    Good point about the USS Liberty. The anniversary of this tragic attack on the United States by Israel is about this time. The survivors are calling for Justice and it is long overdue. Many believe that is not all that the far right wing of Israel has done to the USA and it’s own people, who are also campaigning against the policies of the Netanyahu Government.

    In terms of Sherman, an elected official… calling for imprisonment of US aid workers; it is clear that he does not recognize the rights of the native Palestinians to their own country and those they elected. Even the British MP, an Orthodox Jew said in Parliament that “Israel is run by terrorists” and “Allowing them to pressure us to put HAMAS on the terrorism list as an elected and occupied leadership of Palestine, was a mistake.”

    This complete disregard for human and territorial rights shows a lack of morality and he should be brought up immediately in front of the Ethics Committee. All US Government officials should pass a brain wave test to determine if they are loyal to the United States or another country.

  • hatetheliars

    We've seen the videos. Only a blind moron can believe that the flotilla militant terrorists were innocent peace lovers bringing aid to Gaza. Their violent actions to the Israeli soldiers belie any claim of peace-loving non-violent aid workers.

  • Elim

    I am not an anti-Semite. I support and defend Palestinians whenever I see an opportunity to do so.

  • Elim

    You are an idiot. I think you might be a terrorist.

  • parrots_abound

    All California voters that read Rawstory should demand that Brad Sherman step down, or vote his ass out.

    We need to get rid of these insane politicians.

  • Elim

    You stupid racist bastard! Calling all of us anti-Semites while you refer to Arabs as “Ay-Rabs” and Iranians as “Per-Zhanz”.

    You forgot “towelheads”, you scum sucking troll.

  • Elim

    So what Matthew Doye said near the top of this thread is incorrect?

    “The exclusion zone that Israel claims as its authority was declared by Israel as a temporary measure under the Oslo accords, aside from its dubious legality Israel repudiated the accords declaring them dead many years ago. As a consequence no such zone exists.”

    Oh, do tell.

  • opeluboy

    Don't vote for them.

  • fusion

    Joe Meadors, a member of Liberty’s crew and of their survivors’ group, was aboard the Turkish ship and was detained by the Israelis…presumably has since been deported and sent home but I haven’t seen this confirmed…

  • opeluboy

    There are a lot of Jewish Dems that appear liberal until it involves Israel. In fact, I can't think of one who this does not apply to.

  • scott

    israel got Green Light From U.S. Before The Humanitarian Aid Flotilla was Attacked

    The United States conspired with a foreign nation to attack Americans in international waters.

    There is no higher treason by any definition of the word. Indeed when Britain's King Charles I conspired with Scotland to have them attack British subjects, the British beheaded Charles I, as well they should have

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS0QrdfVYX8&feat…

  • Satan

    Prosecuting someone for merely being present at a mass murder should yield the retards that dreamed such a thing up eternal hell.

  • happycitizen

    Those who aid aipac are terrorists as well.

  • happycitizen

    Those who aid aipac are terrorists as well.

  • Mad Tom

    I don't doubt that it would give the commandos a good idea of who they wanted to shoot, if it came to shooting.

    I have always supported Israel. I am VERY troubled by this incident, and I feel that Israel owes the world a full accounting and an independent investigation.

    We cannot give Israel carte blanche to do things like this.

    We cannot give ANY ally that kind of carte blanche.

    Netanyahu is unhinged, and he is anti-American.

  • Mad Tom

    I don't doubt that it would give the commandos a good idea of who they wanted to shoot, if it came to shooting.

    I have always supported Israel. I am VERY troubled by this incident, and I feel that Israel owes the world a full accounting and an independent investigation.

    We cannot give Israel carte blanche to do things like this.

    We cannot give ANY ally that kind of carte blanche.

    Netanyahu is unhinged, and he is anti-American.

  • Prattvictory

    Israel's killing nationals on the open sea is an act of war against both the United States and Turkey.

    Rahm already gave the ok so the Obama administration won't do anything.

    It will be interesting to see what kind of deal is made with Turkey. Tickets to a Yankee game?

  • Prattvictory

    The playing cards hadn't arrived from the printer.

  • Anonymous

    Let’s not forget that Zionism was on the UN Terrorist list too, until George Herbert Walker Bush rammed through getting them taken off.

    You are correct: Hamas is defending the land they were elected to represent and defend.

    Don’t need any test: just look at the next AIPAC extravaganza and see which politicians attend.

    Personally, I could vomit on Hillary’s and Obama’s shoes for their response.

  • Anonymous

    Go away and die.

  • SnobsandBitches

    Brad Sherman wants to stifle dissent with jail times ?..What about the First Amendment ?.US citizen should be really pissed off & take him out of office.It's easy, there is a lot of dirt on him.First, he takes money from Abraham Foxman ,and second, he is a well known pedophile ( he dates underage girls).

  • LumberJock

    And I'm more tired of republican't terrorists and apologists for anti-semites. Israel is a nation of less than 7,000,000 fighting for its survival against 77,000,000. At some time there will be some errors of enthusiastic over-reaction by both sides. I doubt Israel would publish a 'hit list' If they had targets, the list would be submitted to memory of the technicians, not published in the gear of assault squads.

    This accusation doesn't pass the smell test. Mr. Sherman's call to investigate our citizens' aiding and abetting of terrorism is reasonable and rational.

    Lum

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps the English was for all those devoted “Israelis” born in Brooklyn….

  • Anonymous

    Gee, and here I thought I recalled Cheney getting 47 STANDING OVATIONS at AIPAC HQ’s the very WEEK he drunkenly shot his hunting partner in the face.Cheney, a Democrat? BOTH parties are in thrall to israel, get a fucking clue.

  • LumberJock

    And why not?

  • SnobsandBitches

    Only a blind moron with a mouth full of feces can make such statement.
    I need a shower now…..

  • Anonymous

    Most Israelis are not Semites, therefore criticizing their actions can not be considered anti-semite. But nice try.

    They are a nation of Eastern European occupiers given this land by a nation (U.K.) they attacked with terrorist acts of bombings. They are committing Genocide against the native peoples.

    The rest of your post is typical Megaphone gibberish and misdirection.

  • Anonymous

    Finkelstein destroyed this argument by Derschowitz on national tv, whipped him like the low IQ moron he really is.

    And now you take up Douchebagwitz’s argument for him: looking good Lum.

  • Anonymous

    How much does it pay to be a Megaphone Moron?

  • SnobsandBitches

    Of course the accusations I mentioned in the preceding post are absolute garbage….but it shows how easy it is to make the kind of asinine statement, that Sherman does….

  • redacted

    yeah yeah, “hate the hypocrites”….We've seen your bullshit before. Changing user names just makes the fact that you are unable to stand by/defend your comments stand out in greater relief.

    Under your other name, you posted the same crap, and though many people responded with reasonable rebuttals, you failed to reply to any of them.

    The attack on the flotilla was bullshit. Your arguments are bullshit. You are bullshit.

    At least have the guts to respond to reasonable replies…. And be consistent with your aka's, rather than hide behind this different-name-of-the-day chickenshittery.

  • http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/ Citizen of the Planet

    Brad Sherman is a Z_i_o_n_i_s_t as as such, should keep his trap shut. The only people who should be put in jail are the murderous leaders who are guilty country guilty of crimes against humanity. The good people of Israel need to extricate themselves the far-right Likudites ASAP.

  • NoOneYouKnow

    So if a government is terrorist, it's a crime to assist any citizens of that government?
    Better hope you don't go abroad soon, LJ, because under international law, the US could easily be construed a terrorist state.
    Assuming you're American… .

  • Bookbinder

    Sherman.
    Just stunning.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/KN55HGYMPKOUILP25LD7P4VFCA John

    He was interviewed on Democracy Now! since then.

  • Sam

    How were they rummaging throughthe Israeli's belongings during while a hail of uzi fire was going on?

  • mick

    All AIPAC member should be made to register as “Foreign Agents” just as JFK wanted before he was assassinated.
    Israel is the “terrorist of the Middle East” and all aid to them should be stopped .As it give support to a know terrorist organization…Israel and the IDF.

  • Prattvictory

    So if you went to one of the many demonstrations throughout the country supporting the flotilla are you also supporting Hamas?

    If you are Palestinian and send money to your family are you supporting Hamas?

    If you question US or Israeli policy in the Middle East are you supporting Hamas?

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/KN55HGYMPKOUILP25LD7P4VFCA John

    One does not have to be against the Jewish people to make a simple statement that forcing people off land they have lived on for over a thousand years, killing them, prohibiting them from continue a livelihood, “putting them on a diet” as Israel puts it, is pretty much a dictionary definition of the word “genocide”

    To justify it by pointing to a genocide that your people suffered, which was in NO way caused or even contributed to by the people you are displacing and killing is to mock the memory of your own people. (And then to go and desecrate the graves of your ancestors, as is well documented that the State of Israel does…)

    It does not take an anti-semite to point this out, many Orthodox Jews are very opposed to how Zionism mocks both their view of god, as well as the history of their people.

    Palestinans are Semitic, you know…

  • Prattvictory

    Bob Filner, CA 51 Is one.

  • LumberJock

    Good point. But not decisive and is also irrelevant except to anti-semites.

  • LumberJock

    No it's not! The interdiction was in support of a blockade recognized by the U.N.

  • LumberJock

    Mr.Sherman is one of the good guys. Anti-semites like you should go to re-education camps, like I attended as a boy scout, and again later – military basic training after I was drafted.

  • Sailor

    Well it didn’t stop the Turks from ordering more Israeli built weapons the day after the blockade running pirates were stopped. Business is business after all.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/KN55HGYMPKOUILP25LD7P4VFCA John

    A “broader perspective” that somehow overlooks that maybe people should not be forcibly displaced from their historical home, and those that are will likely get upset about it.

    Palestinians are a Semitic people by any accepted definition of the term.

    Yet to voice opposition to a genocide perpetrated against a Semitic people, by a bunch of (largely European) invaders who have adopted a twisted version of a Semitic religion, is “Anti-semitic”?

    Wow… I’m still dizzy from trying to navigate the loops in logic needed to understand your reasoning.

  • onowhere

    You got rid of your anti-Semitism going to a boy scout re-education camp? Wow, that's impressive. But then you slipped and became an anti-Semite again and so had to go back to re-education camp, this time in military basic training because you were too old for the scouts? Hmm, I think I get it now.

  • Sailor

    Stop what you are saying right now! How dare you contaminate this forum with FACTS and TRUTH don’t you know only LIBERALS rely on the Facts and Truth to form their arguments and opinions. You sound dangerous for repeating the facts.Now stop it or your comment will be flagged for removal.

  • Sailor

    They got him before he could come here and strap on a suicide vest. Thanks Israel, you did our dirty work again.

  • Mr_Natural

    1. They weren't all standing in the same place. They were on a *ship*, not a dinghy.

    2. They have the booklet showing who the Israelis were specifically targeting.

    3. Read the report again.

  • http://athousandpix.blogspot.com/ KWillow

    No kidding! There are 77,000,000 people in Gaza! WoW!

    PS: That sniveling excuse was OLD 35 years ago.

  • http://athousandpix.blogspot.com/ KWillow

    Sounds pretty stupid, but then, all the lies and excuses Israel has told so far have been stupid. For that matter, their actions in assassinating people on a mission of mercy were amazingly stupid. It's like brain-damaged criminals are running their country.

    Seems the same of our country, for that matter.

  • justice

    1958 recording by an Canadian Commander given to an audience and recorded for posteriety, If you want to know why Russia, Germany, and China have agreed to U.N. Sanctions next week on Iran after the Slaughter of Innocence last week by Israeli Hitman then you want to go here. 100 minute tape. Start at the 7th minute to skip the introduction. He knew in 1958 that the illuminati(Luciferian Conspiracy) wanted to start WWIII not between the “Free World” and the communists but between Political Zionism and Arab Mohammendism. Even if you are skeptical you have to be curious how he know something 50 years in the future from his time. If you like it pass it on. Time to pick sides. You are either with him or against him. And I am not talking about George Bush’s type of God neither.

    http://www.archive.org/details/PawnsInTheGameLe…

  • http://athousandpix.blogspot.com/ KWillow

    Maybe he's being paid to spout these loony lies?

    The passengers whacking the invaders struck me as remarkably brave.

    And fighting off invaders with chair legs and dinner knives isn't what *mos*t people define as “terrorism” while helicoptering professional assassins onto a ferry carrying medical supplies fits the “Terrorism” definition pretty closely.

    I recall NAZI Germany liked to blame the countries they invaded for being invaded. “They made us do it!”

  • LumberJock

    Not really. I didn't 'slip' and retrograde to Anti-semetic behavior. I attended a course in furtherance of a broader perspective.

    You don't get it.

  • bushfatigue

    The crew apparently did capture two to three Israelis, and stripped them of their armor and weapons. This has been widely reported, by eye-witnesses.

  • Mr_Natural

    “…it is a list of suspected terrorists….”

    So you allege. You also allege that it is perfectly justified to murder “suspected terrorists” with no proof, no investigation, no legal justification, in international waters, and no declared war.

    Who are you? George W. Bush?

  • LumberJock

    1. No, unless one acts in specific support of Hamas, one isn't abetting terrorism.
    2. Not unless one's family is Hamas.
    3. Not unless one argues Hamas is the legitimate governing authority of Gaza.

  • Sailor

    Only 3 billion that’s a bargain.It should be 30 billion.

  • Prattvictory

    1.Sherman's contention is that supporting Gaza and breaking the blockade is supporting Hamas.

    By Sherman's contention is supporting Gaza is supporting Hamas. That doesn't specifically exclude individuals.

    Hamas is the legitimate elected governing authority of Gaza.

  • Citizen of the world

    Saturday, June 05, 2010
    The State of Palestine
    As a citizen of the United States of America I formally recognize Hama's right to govern as the duly and legally elected government of the state of Palestine. My voice is a legitimate voice of recognition under the constitution of the United States of America. I refuse to recognize any law that impinges on the rights of humanity as free men and woman in any country on earth. We are the population of the world born free and not subject to inhumane or unjust conditions forced upon us by repressive governments. I rescind Israels right to the colonization of a foreign land not their own. Any non compliance with this law will be heard in the Court of the World formed by us it's citizens employed with the gravitas necessary to promulgate a just and fair court for all redress against humanity.

    It is imperative to our survival, that we recognize our collective humanity and our connection to all things. We must first look within for that is where it begins, it takes heart to do this, the darkness is intimidating but it must be done, and when done, frees us, our self hate now powerless to manifest in the world. we begin, powerful in our freedom from false selves, and knowledge of our true purpose. To stand for truth in knowledge and compassion are worth all.

    Citizen's of the world

  • Bruce

    The USS Liberty assault happened years ago, but one does not have to be an anti-semite to raise the issue.

    As Prosecute Sherman said, “…there is no statue of limitations on war crimes or acts of murder, and the USS Liberty case has never been adjudicated.”

    Where is the outrage?

  • Sailor

    throw him down the well

  • RSandford

    The Israeli action was clearly outside the exclusion zone recognized by the UN, and therefore an act of piracy and terrorism itself, if not war. Plus they murdered American citizens in international waters, so the US should demand extradition of shooters and commanders.

  • Mr_Natural

    Israel has become a “rogue nation.” Its government is morally equivalent to that of North Korea. Consider:

    • Both have nuclear weapons;

    • Both refuse to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty;

    • Both are willing to attack ships in ternational waters w/o justification or provocation. Remember the http://www.gtr5.com/' rel=”nofollow”>USS Liberty? That was ours. Go ahead. Look it up.

    Conclusion: The governments of Israel and North Korea are morally equivalent, both rogue nations. The difference is that the U.S. provides unconditional welfare support to Israel.

  • chmyers

    Rep Brad Sherman is a douchebag. This subhuman creep has no concept of what Gazas children 70% stunted-anemic and lacking even drinking water.

    How could anyone vote for this monkey

  • Mr_Natural

    Israel has become a “rogue nation.” Its government is morally equivalent to that of North Korea. Consider:

    • Both have nuclear weapons;
    • Both refuse to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty;
    • Both are willing to attack ships in ternational waters w/o justification or provocation. Remember the http://www.gtr5.com/' rel=”nofollow”>USS Liberty? That was ours. Go ahead. Look it up.

    Conclusion: The governments of Israel and North Korea are morally equivalent, both rogue nations. The difference is that the U.S. provides unconditional welfare support to Israel.

  • chmyers

    ok so what do the boy scouts teach about aiding desperate humanity. Do the the scouts recognize the Geneva Convention against collective punishment for the mass population of Gaza 1.5million
    Would a scout assist Israeli commandos chopping down, Palestinian Olive trees ??

  • chmyers

    do upstanding boy scouts assist armed Israeli settlers harassing Palestinian children walking to school

  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous

    Dennis Bernstein of Flashpoints on Pacifica would be a great example, but he’s not in Congress. Amy Goodman is another, but she exempts herself on all the 9/11 issues — the justification for which is arguable both ways; likewise Chomsky. Sy Hersh is dependable, but again, none of these are elected

  • Anonymous

    And I seem to remember the “5 dancing Israelis” during 9/11.

    And Sharon telling Peres that “We control America.” With America’s impotence when it comes to Israel, this statement seems to be true.

  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous

    “Eternal Hell” violates the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics

  • sunshipway

    “Rep. Brad Sherman (D-CA) told reporters that activists participating in the flotilla were aiding Hamas and therefore breaking US law.

    “The Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 makes it absolutely illegal for any American to give food, money, school supplies, paper clips, concrete or weapons to Hamas or any of its officials,” Sherman said, as quoted at Jim Lobe's foreign policy blog. “And so I will be asking the Attorney General to prosecute any American involved in what was clearly an effort to give items of value to a terrorist organization.””

    By his own words, our “representative” Rep. Brad Sherman (D-CA) – an obvious Israel Firster – has just implicated the entire US government (“USG”) for aiding the elections in Palestine which allowed Hamas to be elected.

    Of course, the US government desired a different outcome of those elections, but did they not aid Hamas by helping those elections take place in the first place?

    They took a gamble and lost – in other words – The USG knowingly participated in facilitating an election that could have allowed – and in actuality did allow – these “terrorists” to be elected. And that’s just “a tip of the iceberg” – to quote one of our “Raw Story” commenters – (BTW, this iceberg has several tips).

    And surely Hamas must have come across a few USG supplied paperclips during that election.

  • http://www.facebook.com/matthew.doye Matthew Doye

    The exclusion zone that Israel claims as its authority was declared by Israel as a temporary measure under the Oslo accords, aside from its dubious legality Israel repudiated the accords declaring them dead many years ago. As a consequence no such zone exists.

    Israel was forced to retract its claims of AQ links to those on board but the lie still gets repeated.

  • Sailor

    I think the Arab population is over 300,000,000 maybe even closer to 400,000,000 They have so much love for one another that they are perfectly prepared to let there fellow tribesman from Jewish Palestine languish in concentration camps FOREVER. They are so loving that they deny their brothers citizenship or human rights.Indeed so great is their love that they only occasionally slaughter them by the thousands. Another way they express their solidarity is by restricting their movements.Education is another way they help.They learn to memorize the Koran(the only book most will read in their lifetime) and are shielded from disgusting western ideas like science,philosophy, equality and enlightenment and critical thinking(kind of like Republicans, but in all fairness, not that extreme) but they do have life size muppets to teach the very young children hatred, suicide,martyrdom and the cult of victimization among other cherished Moslem values. This will serve them well as adults. Doesn’t it kind of makes you want to join this religion of peace where everything would be entirely perfect if only the infidels were removed from the sacred Moslem soil.

  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous

    "If they had targets, the list would be submitted to memory of the technicians, not published in the gear of assault squads."

    This is an interesting line of reasoning. Kind of like, “Why would Mohammed Atta take his last will and testament and his instruction manual for the 757 on the suicide plane with him, then absent-mindedly leave it all in the rental car?” It does make one wonder . . .

  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous

    Tempting position, RE the Khazars, but the DNA results don’t support it at this juncture

  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous

    I cannot tew a wie — I did it wif my witto hatchet

  • Sailor

    I believe that was just a kindhearted attempt to spell the words using phonetics so that they matched your pronunciation and you could under stand them Teabagger.

  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous

    Shades of LBJ calling back the jets sent to defend the Liberty

  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous

    Register and stand by your positions

  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous

    Like the hit job in Dubai, all caught on security cameras?

  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous

    5 slugs within 18 inches range — that’s not a snuff?

  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous

    John O’Neill — actually doing his job got him killed

  • Fab Murphy

    The Freakers at Freerepublic would love this guy but they would never admit it. Rimjob would have to ban them on policy grounds.

  • Benjamin Netanhyahu

    Even I think this comment is stupid.

  • Citizen of the world

    Right
    I don't think anyone gets what is really happening, they are blinded by lies, and it is so very sad.

  • Anonymous

    Depends. It is easy to pull a trigger very fast, and if the gun is automatic, several bullets might be release in a second or so. Let us say that a knife wielding person was rushing you. Do you fire one shot and then check if that worked? Or do you just squeeze the trigger and fire?

  • betterthannosn

    T-O-O-L

  • Anonymous

    Yes, for arrest and questioning.

  • Justice

    I am so tired of you evil fools spreading lies. No, the U.N. doesn’t recognize the blockade as legal but rather as a crime because it is punishment a collective punishment against a people for having the audacity to elect in Hamas in 2006 because their previous government the PLO was nothing but a zionist stooge giving everything away. Of course our hypocritical criminal government immediately cut of aid so I’m sure that makes you Christian Zionist happy to make people suffer. The only countries in the world that say the blockade is legal are the United States of AIPAC and Israeli. You wouldn’t know Jesus if he even talked to you. Start reading the New Testament and get out of the Old Testament. You do know there was a New Convenant? Something like Love your Neighboor and your enemy.

  • Anonymous

    Let me guess. You believe that there mere existence of a list (If, in fact there was a list) is an assassination list. Also, you need to brush up on International law. Israel is fully justified in the blockade, Hamas is at war with Israel and its fundamental goal is the destruction of Israel. Under these conditions a blockade is legal.Just exactly how many missiles have to land in Israeli schoolyards before Israel is allowed to act? One of your compatriots here boasted that Hamas was only killing two school children a year…So why the blockade!!!!!

  • Justice

    Isn’t it amazing how the rethugs and teabaggers scream the constitution. They are such usefull idiots. And when the truth is pointed out to them that we have a fifth column in our country that took an oath to the constitution and in fact are violating it with impunity that they become a domestic enemy of the constitution and anybody defending them becomes an enemy also a.k.a. our criminal zionist government. And don’t you tea idiots know that the military took an oath to the Constitution and not to Hitler or our traitorous leaders like Sherman. Sherman is an enemy of the United States Constitution as I type and nothing can change that now. And from my sources in the military they get it and this insane tribe better walk it back or the Tip of the Spear will suprise them and justice will be done.

  • Elim

    Brad Sherman, another traitorous Israel-firster who needs to be primaried at the next opportunity.

  • Elim

    Another Harvard Law School graduate, and a Jew. No wonder he is saying these stupid things.

  • Anonymous

    …..

  • Elim

    They showed admirable restraint by not executing them on the spot.

  • Elim

    Anyway, he looks like a pedo.

  • Arnold the Pig

    You've seen the videos produced by the Israeli Military. They're pretty good, too. I wonder when they made them?

  • Justice

    The witnesses after being held for three days and having all their cameras and video equipment confisacated(of course Israeli is just an innocent lamb) are coming forward now. You idiots who believe everything on T.V. make me sick. You are just as damn guilty as murder in my opinion as accessory after the fact. Try studying some more morons. They blew a guys head off before boarding from the helicopter. What would you have done, sit there and take it. Those civilians are heroes in my book. It takes a lot of love to be willing to die for another man’s suffering. Sort of reminds you of our Christian messiah doesn’t it Christian aposatate church Zionist. As for the assasaination list yes they did capture three IDF killers at the beginning and found the list. The list was video taped on the one Satellite video that got out. You know the one with 9:36 time elapsed. Jesus tells me Love not killing. Please for the sake of humanity and our Savior wake up Christian Zionist.

  • Elim

    I get it, too. LumberJock's a nutjob. Brad Sherman is not one of the good guys. He is a zionist terrorist and a traitor.

  • Anonymous

    How about a big fat ZERO! Oh, that’s right – Israel would cease to exist!

  • inmemoryofmyfellowsailors

    come on rob your not blind are you!! watch the vids as the raid happens!!!!! and you will see the list stop the vid and its clear as a bell!!!!! dont pick a side untill you read watch and listen and you will learn.. and to all the other people that read this check out who the fbi sent to yemen for the USS cole and his conclusions of what realy happened and where he was on 911………… then maybe you will see that israel is not on the side of the usa and should be down range

  • Citizen of the world

    There is a difference between Anti-semites and anti Zionists they are mutually exclusive.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RjnvQHWyLE
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7144824…
    You make statements that are without any knowledge of truth. Willful ignorance is a crime against yourself

  • Anonymous

    Hamas is the legitimate vote of the people. The MAJORITY voted for it. Too bad that we don’t like the results. Maybe the Palestinians would not have voted for them had the Israel’s not been so brutal and thuggish to them for the past 50 years.

  • Elim

    You must be one of the members of the Israeli Internet Defense League that we've heard so much about. How much do those scum pay you to troll the internets defending them, Keyboard Cowboy?

  • Anonymous

    YAWN!

  • Justice

    Unfortunately, those good people of Israeli who you referred to when polled about their previous war crime the 2008-2009 GAZA Civilian War were 94% in favor of it. And concerning the flotilla slaughter forget about it. 94% again. You see the Israeli population are insane. The settlers make you Christian Zionists seem like good people and that is near damn impossible. So 30% of the population are insane colonial ultra orthodox settlers with another 44% far right tea bagger. This leaves 6% Israeli Jews who are sane along with the 20% Israeli Arabs. Oh did I mention that the Israeli settlers have a high birth rate and the Israeli government has at least 200 thermonuclear bombs and word has it many suitcase nuclear bombs. God help us.

  • Citizen of the world

    It's you that “don't” get it. Zionism will be the ruination of Israel and America. watch the video's above and really get re-educated.

  • Arnold the Pig

    Of course they had a list. The passenger list seems to have been on display. There's been a dossier on every passenger since before they left port. Of course the IDF would have targets, and they'd know which boats those targets were on, which rooms they were in, and what they had for dinner that evening. There are still a few “activists” missing. I wonder where they are?

  • Citizen of the world

    I call bullshit, show me your proof, documents, writing, whatever it is.

  • PrissyPatriot

    Your anti-American sentiment is blinding…if you don’t like the Israeli government actions being criticized, maybe you live in the wrong place. Our interests and Israeli interests are not one in the same. We are not all Zionists, religious and certainly not Israelis. Learn the difference.

  • Justice

    Amen brother.

  • Anonymous

    No – we are just sick of that little thug nation continually getting away with murder. Now tell me if that had been Iran, what would have been the consequences???? Just put any other nation in place of Israel, and world war III would be getting ginned up. Israel always gets a pass because of AIPAC and the 51 Jewish organizations that immediately rally together and push our politicians to stand by Israel no matter what they are charged with. People are getting tired of Jews having so much power over our nation and foreign policy which is costing us trillions. Unfortunately, as usual, all throughout human history, money talks and bullshit walks. The Jews have the money – and well, we know the rest.

  • kathy travis

    What a shame this is….

  • robo

    sailor, if you have to open your mouth, please only do it when your fellow sailors are forcing their cocks down your throat! ingestion too much jism obviously causes brain damage!

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    You may want to check out Alex Jones’s “Terror Storm” on Google Video, which is his take on the USS LIberty among other things. It seems that the evidence is fairly substantial that the Liberty incident was another LBJ false flag operation, like the Gulf of Tonkin, meant to be blamed on the Egyptians and aimed at allowing the U.S. to invade the Middle East in an attempt to steal their oil. Sound familiar? Unfortunately for LBJ, something went awry and it became impossible to deny that it was the Israelis doing the actual attacking. If this sounds far-fetched, how much more far-fetched was it that Saddam Hussein should have had nuclear weapons, or that Hamas was ever a real threat to the Israelis.

    In short, it’s clear that Israel is the puppet regime and Washington is the puppeteer. The only thing that points in the opposite direction is blind irrational hatred of the Jews. By no means are the Isrealis and/or Jews innocent in all of this, but it must be kept in mind that the great corrupter here lives in the District of Columbia and not Tel Aviv, and practices so-called Christianity rather than Judaism.

  • phuckdeempire

    good news sailor, you dont even have to take that cock out of your mouth in order to
    shove your evangelical cross up your ass, happy days!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Theodore-R-Blodgett/1332815109 Theodore R. Blodgett

    It was an act of war against all of NATO. According to the NATO Treaty anyway.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Theodore-R-Blodgett/1332815109 Theodore R. Blodgett

    You filthy anti-American scum make me sick.

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    Thank you, IDF. We didn’t know your position on all of this from the American right-wing press. ;-) What I don’t understand is how the folks who invented psychoanalysis can’t manage to get beyond the national paranoia generated by the death camps. Hamas aren’t the Nazies. Why aren’t you seizing German ships on the high seas? Oh, that’s right; bullies don’t pick on folks bigger than them.

  • musashi1

    i agree, being anti evil is the bottom line, if that makes me anti-semitic so be it. but im fair
    i really try to be equally disgusted by all religeons, but somehow zionism brings on a brand of disgust and nausea thats truly in an evil class of its own.

  • geo1671

    Both Are ???? Please and thank you Explain! ( Just what ships did N.K. bomb )

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    Spoken like a true anti-Christian, anti-Moslem Israeli. Has it ever occurred to you that your IAHUEH is just as ridiculous as Jesus or Allah? No, I guess it hasn’t. Get back to work. Aren’t they paying you to murder somebody or something?

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    Just remember, “democracy” doesn’t mean “democracy” unless those elected are flunkies of the U.S. government and its corporate masters. This has played out over and over again across the world where democratically elected leaders have been murdered by American assets being paid by the U.S. intelligence agencies. Just think, if the U.S. were really concerned with “democracy,” the world would long ago have been a democratic place.

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    Like voting for a lying sack of shit like Obama.

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    It is folks like YOU who cannot distinguish between Jews and Israelis, and thus promote antisemitism by identifying the murderous “Jewish State” with the vast majority of American Jews who don’t give a damn whether Israel disappears tomorrow.

  • godkiller

    All in the name of old foul-tempered yhwh, elohim, sabaoth, adona'i, whatever. He never was worth it.

  • geo1671

    Hitler Stalin Churchill Rosenvelt all bloodline Ashkenazies Cult Swines.Only one kept his Kosher name HITLER!

  • Prattvictory

    add violate national sovereignty to commit murder (i.e. Dubai)

  • Samuel

    There is no shortage of ignorant, corrupt, fanatical religious fundamentalists in the US political “leadership” but this lap dog for Israel is going over the top even for this mob.

  • farang

    “1. No, unless one acts in specific support of Hamas, one isn't abetting terrorism.”

    The relief ships were inspected in Turkey by their anti-terrorism authorities. There were no terrorists, no weapons. Giving aid to a nation under siege and blockade is a recognized humanitarian act, not terrorism by any definition. Terrorism: it is like shooting at Red Cross vehicles in Gaza…Oh. Wait. Or like targeting UN peacekeepers in Lebanon. Oh. Wait.
    We KNOW who the terrorists are, putz.

    “2. Not unless one's family is Hamas.”

    Where and to whom to I send the check?

    “3. Not unless one argues Hamas is the legitimate governing authority of Gaza.”

    No, who would argue elected officials are legitimate??

  • farang

    “1. No, unless one acts in specific support of Hamas, one isn't abetting terrorism.”

    The relief ships were inspected in Turkey by their anti-terrorism authorities. There were no terrorists, no weapons. Giving aid to a nation under siege and blockade is a recognized humanitarian act, not terrorism by any definition. Terrorism: it is like shooting at Red Cross vehicles in Gaza…Oh. Wait. Or like targeting UN peacekeepers in Lebanon. Oh. Wait.
    We KNOW who the terrorists are, putz.

    “2. Not unless one's family is Hamas.”

    Where and to whom to I send the check?

    “3. Not unless one argues Hamas is the legitimate governing authority of Gaza.”

    No, who would argue elected officials are legitimate??

  • farang

    How was it the Israeli Pirates needed to fire FIVE shots from less than THREE FEET to kill ONE American, you asswipe?

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/KN55HGYMPKOUILP25LD7P4VFCA John

    By supporting Israeli policy, which has proven to the people of Palestine that a political/diplomatic solution is impossible, thus being responsible for the creation and ride to power of Hamas, aren't you thus supporting Hamas?

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/KN55HGYMPKOUILP25LD7P4VFCA John

    “re-education camps”?

    Wow… A Zionist still openly proposing using Techniques honed by the forces of Hitler and Stalin…

    What happened to “Never Again”?

  • Anonymous

    Best observation made on this blog!

  • fluminense

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  • LumberJock

    Not willful ignorance; mirrored irresponsibility. You fecal forms misrepresent the issues by abusing language – so I fight back using your weapon of choice — lies, distortions and spin-factors. I usually refuse to allow others to frame the discussion, but sometimes the temptation to crush you under the weight of real intellect and logic using your own argument, well lack of – to be exact, against you is just too too!

    Got your number Chuck-Luck

  • Sailor

    They were providing aid and comfort to terrorists. Tell it to a judge.

  • LumberJock

    What happened to parody?

  • LumberJock

    More disinformation about the Shicklegruber Family.

  • LumberJock

    It’s genned.

    Jews have earned power over the stupidity that you demonstrate with your contribution.

  • Sailor

    Their parents obviously don't follow hamas.

  • Anonymous

    these thieving pagan jews deserve everything that’s coming to them.

  • gary Lruai

    Hi,

    Do you recognize that Hamas has executed hundreds of Palestinians without ‘court’ approval? Do you recognize that Hamas refrains from conducting elections ofter some 4 years of rein of terror in Gaza?

  • LumberJock

    1. An inspection by the kind of inspectors republican’ts used on the oil industry here in ‘Murika.
    2. Hand deliver to the Mosque around the corner from your catholic or baptist church.
    3. Only those who supported w, or shrub or shit-for-brains from Odessa.

    Your hatred is showing!

  • LumberJock

    Elections have consequences; not original – but I’m not the only intelligent sample of our life-form found here.

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    As for thinking this is Stormfront, you probably should have thought about that before you went out and murdered nine human beings on the high seas, many shot in the head, working from a hit list assembled in advance, all so Israel could continue to commit slow genocide in Gaza in contravention of international law, the UN Charter, and advisory opinions of the International Court of Justice. Even Americans are beginning to see through your little charade. Stop complaining and start acting like civilized citizens of the world and not the “chosen people” of some mystical control freak.

  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous

    What on earth are you talking about? I haven’t shown any figs

  • LumberJock

    I heard this last night from one of your fellow klan members. He was going door-to-door out here prospecting new tea-partizanz.

  • lucky

    Democracy Now is not supported by George Soros. It’s supported by listeners, maybe Soros gives, I don’t know – do you know? Of course not. Democracy Now is one of the few outlets of real journalism in the nation still operating after the reich-wing took over with Reagan and allowed everything to become unregulated corporate propaganda. Like Faux News.

    Soros is a greedy caplitalist, who gives some money to away, but for the most part does not have anything to do with real journalism; but you keep believing and remember: be very afraid!

  • lucky

    1. wrong, the flottila was not supporting terrorism
    2. giving to your hamas family is not supporting terrorism
    3. hamas is the legitimate governing body of gaza

    If you want to see some hate, look in the mirror, hypocrite.

  • lucky

    1. wrong, the flottila was not supporting terrorism
    2. giving to your hamas family is not supporting terrorism
    3. hamas is the legitimate governing body of gaza

    If you want to see some hate, look in the mirror, hypocrite.

  • lucky

    1. wrong, the flottila was not supporting terrorism
    2. giving to your hamas family is not supporting terrorism
    3. hamas is the legitimate governing body of gaza

    If you want to see some hate, look in the mirror, hypocrite.

  • lucky

    got a link that shows the list was english?

  • lucky

    got a link that shows the list was english?

  • lucky

    got a link that shows the list was english?

  • Sailor

    You don't have to waste 100 minutes of your life listening to this bible thumping ,end of times, rapture believing fool. I'll distill it for you. Jews are communists,unless they are socialists or Nazis or atheists or terrorists or criminals or peaceniks or war mongers or homosexuals or heterosexuals or of indeterminate sex or anti-Semites or pro-Semites or capitalists or anti-capitalistsor wife beaters or wife lovers or child protectors or child molesters or children or adults or followers of snobsandbitches etc.etc. The important thing to remember is they are all Jews bent on the subjugation of FREEDOM and MANKIND. BE VERY AFRAID.

  • bayside1

    Now I understand why we are sending our billions of dollars to israel so they can buy more weapons. I understand why our congress ,both parties do not represent christian, american , love your neighbor as yourself,values anymore..We dont have americans in office running the govt..Israel is..I have no words for this man who wants to jail someone giving aid but let those who kill purposely free..

  • lucky

    wow, this is like half the fortune 100 – these are all murdoch???

  • lucky

    wow, this is like half the fortune 100 – these are all murdoch???

  • lucky

    wow, this is like half the fortune 100 – these are all murdoch???

  • Anonymous

    Everyone knows the Jews have a disproportionate amount of power in America. I guess that makes me a Klan member pointing that out. Whatever.

  • Anonymous

    Everyone knows the Jews have a disproportionate amount of power in America. I guess that makes me a Klan member pointing that out. Whatever.

  • Anonymous

    Everyone knows the Jews have a disproportionate amount of power in America. I guess that makes me a Klan member pointing that out. Whatever.

  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous

    SAILOR:

    They were providing aid and comfort to terrorists. Tell it to a judge.
    ie., the passengers of the Mavi Marmara were providing aid and comfort to Hamas
    PROUDPRIMATE:

    By that standard, so were the campaigners for boycott of apartheid South Africa under Botha. Is that the position you really want to associate with?
    ie., the organizers of the boycott campaign that ultimately broke the back of the apartheid regime in South Africa and brought Mandela from prison to Groote Schuur. Does SAILOR really wish to side with Botha against Mandela, given the verdict of history?
    BENWAY:

    Of course. But the Arabs don't have the same lobbying presence in Washington. If they did, you'd have the same political whores sidling up to the Arabs like they do to the Israelis.
    Of course what?
    1. Of course, sending aid to Gazans (in spite of the fact that they had the temerity to elect a government that catered to their needs and refused to kowtow to the occupation force) is the equivalent of campaigning for the divestiture of South Africa? is that what you mean, Benway? If so, was the elevation of Mandela right or wrong? It’s not clear from what I read here.

    2. Of course, the Gazans are where they are because of their lack of lobbying power? If they had control of media and banking in the corridors of power, they’d have no problem, but being as they are mere obstacles in the path of Empire, they are toast with no butter? I was under the impression you were defending the blockade. Perhaps I was mistaken.

  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous

    SAILOR:

    They were providing aid and comfort to terrorists. Tell it to a judge.
    ie., the passengers of the Mavi Marmara were providing aid and comfort to Hamas
    PROUDPRIMATE:

    By that standard, so were the campaigners for boycott of apartheid South Africa under Botha. Is that the position you really want to associate with?
    ie., the organizers of the boycott campaign that ultimately broke the back of the apartheid regime in South Africa and brought Mandela from prison to Groote Schuur. Does SAILOR really wish to side with Botha against Mandela, given the verdict of history?
    BENWAY:

    Of course. But the Arabs don't have the same lobbying presence in Washington. If they did, you'd have the same political whores sidling up to the Arabs like they do to the Israelis.
    Of course what?
    1. Of course, sending aid to Gazans (in spite of the fact that they had the temerity to elect a government that catered to their needs and refused to kowtow to the occupation force) is the equivalent of campaigning for the divestiture of South Africa? is that what you mean, Benway? If so, was the elevation of Mandela right or wrong? It’s not clear from what I read here.

    2. Of course, the Gazans are where they are because of their lack of lobbying power? If they had control of media and banking in the corridors of power, they’d have no problem, but being as they are mere obstacles in the path of Empire, they are toast with no butter? I was under the impression you were defending the blockade. Perhaps I was mistaken.

  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous

    SAILOR:

    They were providing aid and comfort to terrorists. Tell it to a judge.
    ie., the passengers of the Mavi Marmara were providing aid and comfort to Hamas
    PROUDPRIMATE:

    By that standard, so were the campaigners for boycott of apartheid South Africa under Botha. Is that the position you really want to associate with?
    ie., the organizers of the boycott campaign that ultimately broke the back of the apartheid regime in South Africa and brought Mandela from prison to Groote Schuur. Does SAILOR really wish to side with Botha against Mandela, given the verdict of history?
    BENWAY:

    Of course. But the Arabs don't have the same lobbying presence in Washington. If they did, you'd have the same political whores sidling up to the Arabs like they do to the Israelis.
    Of course what?
    1. Of course, sending aid to Gazans (in spite of the fact that they had the temerity to elect a government that catered to their needs and refused to kowtow to the occupation force) is the equivalent of campaigning for the divestiture of South Africa? is that what you mean, Benway? If so, was the elevation of Mandela right or wrong? It’s not clear from what I read here.

    2. Of course, the Gazans are where they are because of their lack of lobbying power? If they had control of media and banking in the corridors of power, they’d have no problem, but being as they are mere obstacles in the path of Empire, they are toast with no butter? I was under the impression you were defending the blockade. Perhaps I was mistaken.

  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous

    “Grand Mufti’s association with Hitler”I think that is a category farther than the more direct comparison I mean. Mandela was in prison on Robben Island and elsewhere for 27 years, only to be freed by the conscience largely of American universities’ divestiture. Do you howl for his re-arrest?Nelson Mandela’s statement from the dock at the opening of the defence case in the Rivonia Trial Pretoria Supreme Court, 20 April 1964:

    During my lifetime I have dedicated myself to this struggle of the African people. I have fought against white domination, and I have fought against black domination. I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. It is an ideal which I hope to live for and to achieve. But if needs be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die.

  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous

    “Grand Mufti’s association with Hitler”I think that is a category farther than the more direct comparison I mean. Mandela was in prison on Robben Island and elsewhere for 27 years, only to be freed by the conscience largely of American universities’ divestiture. Do you howl for his re-arrest?Nelson Mandela’s statement from the dock at the opening of the defence case in the Rivonia Trial Pretoria Supreme Court, 20 April 1964:

    During my lifetime I have dedicated myself to this struggle of the African people. I have fought against white domination, and I have fought against black domination. I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. It is an ideal which I hope to live for and to achieve. But if needs be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die.

  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous

    “Grand Mufti’s association with Hitler”I think that is a category farther than the more direct comparison I mean. Mandela was in prison on Robben Island and elsewhere for 27 years, only to be freed by the conscience largely of American universities’ divestiture. Do you howl for his re-arrest?Nelson Mandela’s statement from the dock at the opening of the defence case in the Rivonia Trial Pretoria Supreme Court, 20 April 1964:

    During my lifetime I have dedicated myself to this struggle of the African people. I have fought against white domination, and I have fought against black domination. I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. It is an ideal which I hope to live for and to achieve. But if needs be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die.

  • Guest

    “What is your Aryian Nation identity?”.

    What the fuck is wrong with you people, There is a lot of “Nazi, Jew hater etc….” verbal ejaculation around here, although contrary to what you do, I am not accusing you of protecting.
    You should be aware of the basic rules of the dialectical method.
    When you rely & resort on the “Nazi” accusation & (or) related slurs,you have demonstrated the shallowness of your argumentative skills. But once again, it is hope to you, whatever makes you go through the night…..

  • Guest

    “What is your Aryian Nation identity?”.

    What the fuck is wrong with you people, There is a lot of “Nazi, Jew hater etc….” verbal ejaculation around here, although contrary to what you do, I am not accusing you of protecting.
    You should be aware of the basic rules of the dialectical method.
    When you rely & resort on the “Nazi” accusation & (or) related slurs,you have demonstrated the shallowness of your argumentative skills. But once again, it is hope to you, whatever makes you go through the night…..

  • Guest

    “What is your Aryian Nation identity?”.

    What the fuck is wrong with you people, There is a lot of “Nazi, Jew hater etc….” verbal ejaculation around here, although contrary to what you do, I am not accusing you of protecting.
    You should be aware of the basic rules of the dialectical method.
    When you rely & resort on the “Nazi” accusation & (or) related slurs,you have demonstrated the shallowness of your argumentative skills. But once again, it is hope to you, whatever makes you go through the night…..

  • http://proudprimate.com ProudPrimate

    awesome avatar

  • http://proudprimate.com ProudPrimate

    Elections have consequences

  • Phil A Sheo

    Who is it ok to buy from, chief ?

  • cliffhammond

    Although religion shouldn't drive politicians' positions when the national interests of THIS country are involved, I think it's helpful to understand that Brad Sherman is Jewish. And that's fine. The problem is that he is more of a Lukudnik than a Democrat, much like Joe Lieberman. His loyalty to the United States FIRST how now become dubious, as revealed by his own behavior. These sayanim just can't stay in the closet. I hope members of his district remember this event. Brad, are you loyal to America or to Der Judenstaat?

  • http://proudprimate.com ProudPrimate

    As in the interrogation technique known as “self torture”, using stress positions and such like, which are designed to entangle the mind of the victim with uncertainty as to their own role in their torture, you are right to point out that when abuse rises to a certain level, the most saintly victim will fight back.

    . . . all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

  • felixthecatxxxx

    Whereas some people might say that it is incredible that in all that confusion someone was able to stretch out and look through the Israelis possessions and discover a book of hits, I say that this fantastic amazing find proves that the Israelis are SS trained, Nazi monsters who hate Muslims and everyone else in the whole world and are very careless of their secret possessions.

  • Guest

    Lol, Does it mean we are “friends” now?. :)
    Listen I made a mistake and I apologized for it. Do you know a lot of individuals who would do that, especially on the Internet?.
    One more point, I don’t need to be a liberal or anything else. Humans have flaws and qualities regardless of their race, religion, or political affiliations.

  • Anonymous

    Haha, I gave you a “Like” because you are a thoughtful person. I don’t have to agree with you politically to appreciate that.

  • Guest

    Indeed, Sailor is a paragon of tolerance and humanism, except when she justifies the murder of a young man at the hands of Israeli commando, or advocate for the extermination of “Moslems”
    But she kind of cute, and she deserves the freedom (from my humble opinion) of speech she would easily deny me…

  • http://proudprimate.com ProudPrimate

    odd looking cat — I thought Felix was black

  • felixthecatxxxx

    Someone poured bleach on me.

  • http://proudprimate.com ProudPrimate

    By that standard, so were the campaigners for boycott of apartheid South Africa under Botha. Is that the position you really want to associate with?

  • justice

    1958 recording by an Canadian Commander given to an audience and recorded for posteriety, If you want to know why Russia, Germany, and China have agreed to U.N. Sanctions next week on Iran after the Slaughter of Innocence last week by Israeli Hitman then you want to go here. 100 minute tape. Start at the 7th minute to skip the introduction. He knew in 1958 that the illuminati(Luciferian Conspiracy) wanted to start WWIII not between the “Free World” and the communists but between Political Zionism and Arab Mohammendism. Even if you are skeptical you have to be curious how he know something 50 years in the future from his time. If you like it pass it on. Time to pick sides. You are either with him or against him. And I am not talking about George Bush’s type of God neither.

    http://www.archive.org/details/PawnsInTheGameLe…

  • Benjamin Netanyahu

    Since Israel is a terrorist organization, perhaps Brad Sherman should be prosecuted, too?

  • http://proudprimate.com ProudPrimate

    Thanks for the list. Coke is the only one I occasionally slip up on, since Max Cola is no longer available at Shaw's. I'm getting by with Moxie, but it's pretty tough stuff.

    I do own a few Intel chips but they're several years old.

    Home Depot? That's another I'll have to avoid. Is Lowe's any better?

  • Sailor

    Hey everyone just finished the first day of a “six day” CELEBRATION marking the 43rd anniversary of a joyous occasion I am not allowed to mention or the moderator will yank my post.Suffice to say that it supersedes the glorious events of Christmas Day 1917. We'll see how long this remains posted.

  • felixthecatxxxx

    Well, you see, the peace activists captured some Israeli SS murderers, and during all the shooting and beatings above deck, down in the lounge the activists had some extra leisure time to rummage through the SS officers' belongings. Conveniently, the Nazi Jews carried hit lists with them, and in case they couldn't understand Hebrew, their hit list was translated into English.

    See? Very credible.

  • Guest

    Thanks ,the feeling is reciprocal…

    I am way to young to pretend to be a Neo Platonic, but I remember from the “Five Dialogues”
    something like (and I am paraphrasing here…don’t jump me, please)
    “respect cannot be enforced by the means of Law, or the implementation of physical violence, but most likely by the dexterity of a sharp mind”.

    There is no need to personally appreciate someone in order to respect him, You are ok in my book….Hahaha

    Be well.

  • http://proudprimate.com ProudPrimate

    All other nations do, don't they, except the Chosen?

  • Jasmyn Forthryte

    This does not excuse the execution-style murder of an inoffensive teenager and eight other people.

    I’m with Helen Thomas on this one.

  • jakel

    No one should ever listen to Sherman. He is almost completely useless in and out of government. His type of politician is why California is going down the toilet. The whole country will be nwxt if we don't start electing people with brains.I can't believe he was ever elected.

  • RomanceWritR

    Does anyone want the real truth?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tOdW0qEy4g&feat…

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    Brad Sherman should be tried as an accessory to piracy and murder on the high seas.

    As for you “Sailor,” I doubt very much that you are being persecuted for mentioning the events of 1967. After all, the Israelis have been offered peace in exchange for withdrawal to their 1967 boundaries, which they are required to do anyway under international law. It is clearly a violation of said international law to gain territory through war, and a further violation to send settlers into that territory.

  • SnobsandBitches

    While you are celebrating, why not taking the opportunity to educate yourself & “liberate” yourself from the “Jews can't do no wrong, Zionism is good for Judaism…” Mantra. Zionism is Judaism worst enemy, & this is no accident that some of the most radical opponents to Zionism are Ultra Orthodox Jews. In the Middle East, the Jewish “problem” started with the advent of Zionism. The Israel Palestine conflict is not about religion or pseudo racial issues, it is about turf and politics.

    Let's not forget the best representative of the Zionist open sewer, the National Military Organization in Palestine (Irgun Zvai Leumi) who collaborated & wanted to fight on the Nazi side, & proposed a “Jew-free Europe”)…..

    This is from the Irgun Zvai Leumi own chart :

    The NMO, which is well-acquainted with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its authorities towards Zionist activity inside Germany and towards Zionist emigration plans, is of the opinion that:

    Common interests could exist between the establishment of a new order in Europe in conformity with the German concept, and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as they are embodied by the NMO.
    Cooperation between the new Germany and a renewed folkish-national Hebraium would be possible and, The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German position of power in the Near East.

    Contrary to what you do, I do not make personal statement based solely on my personal opinion & interpretation, My personal opinion is irrelevant, historical facts speak for themselves….

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    You guys really have trouble with reality, don't you?

    Let me just quickly explain it all to you:

    It's all about money. Everything has been valued in terms of its monetary equivalent, which destroys all practical relationships between things. Once petroleum has been given a monetary value, BP can come to the decision that their profits are more important than the Louisiana wetlands. The same applies to the Israeli arms industry. Their profits are more important to them than peace.

  • BroccoliRob

    I do not know what world you are living in, but it is not the one called reality.

    Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza and Lebanon….they got peace allright!
    The 1967 boundaries would be a death sentence.

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    Christian love thy neighbor as thyself values? Surely you jest. This country has over and over again used false flag operations to start murderous wars so our local arms industry can make obscene profits while the profiteers all claim to be Christians.

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    Of course. But the Arabs don't have the same lobbying presence in Washington. If they did, you'd have the same political whores sidling up to the Arabs like they do to the Israelis.

  • BroccoliRob

    The old moral equivalency canard. I guess you want to equate the Grand Mufti's association with Hitler in this equation.

  • kenthomes

    Well, they are doing a good job of it running the United States of America. They own HOLLYWOOD, most of the media, 90% of Wall st and the Big banks, the Fed chairmanship and “investment” houses. They control our foreign policy, etc – and are infested in the Obama and previous administrations. Not a bad job for only 2% or less of the population.

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    You may want to take a hint from Jesse Jackson and pick on one company at a time with clear links to Israel, not just an amorphous list of companies with Jewish stockholders. If I didn't know better I might think you were intentionally trying to defeat your own supposed purposes.

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    And you sir are a sycophantic idiot.

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    Anybody not actually owned by Israelis, by which I most certainly do not means Jewish people in general. This flumo character is obviously unhinged. Take a clue from Jesse Jackson on how you actually run a successful boycott.

  • SnobsandBitches

    I hope your fear and hatred of “evil Mooslims” is keeping you warm during those long Winter nights. The Dark armies of the Prophet” are not coming out for you or anyone else. No one is hiding under your bed, & if you went through puberty, you should not be afraid of shadows anymore….

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    Especially when you consider that IAHUEH was another name for the pharaoh, for whom Joshua and his descendants were working at the time. Why do you think there was never a Judaic king until Saul?

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    I thought the Freepers were Rapturists who supported Israel? I fear you have gotten yourself confused trying to be consistent in an inconsistent world. Remember, just follow the money.

  • SnobsandBitches

    The criminals often hide in the cloak of accusers…..

    What about the Zionists and Jews who flirted & collaborated with Nazism?, In Germany alone there were about 150,000 half Jews who fought under German uniform, some of them in the Waffen SS,the SS & Totenkopf divisions

  • musashi1

    an assassination list, in other words PRE-MEDITATED MURDER…OR AS ISRAEL CALLS IT”SELF -DEFENSE” FUCK ISRAHELL!

  • LumberJock

    There is – at least to me – a horrible construct at work here. All these voices of hate for the people of Israel. Yes, the people … the excuse of hating the government,but loving the people won't work here. The people are the government; it is a close community.

    For those of you who describe the Jews as 'Eastern European interlopers' need to step back and take a deep breath. The Jews were run out of the area several times and their culture predates the constraints of Islam on their fellow Semites. The Israeli government didn't 'run the Palestinians out'. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem sent them packing; telling them if they were to stay it would be lying with infidels. So Jew-haters … study a little history before shooting off your collective mouths.

    Now – for all you Jew-haters, for religeous reasons. You're even lower on the evolutionary scale. You are hyppo-crits. So fucking hypocritical that I don't even have to nake a case. It's right out there and you are up-front about. “I'm a christian; you're a Jew; convert or die as an enemy of christianity.”

    Now … for the pro-Pal[estinian]s faction. There are 77million Arabs and 35 million Pesians out there; Islamists who are religiously forced to commit as adults to the destruction of Judaism and Israel. It is part of their catechism to hate. Muslims, Moslems, Moslims, Muslems or Islamic worshippers – whatever – are as guilty of sub-human behavior driven by hatred as the christians.

    The only comments I observe that are accurate on this subject are from the irreligious.

    Hurly, I've one comment for you. The joke was not about killing people; it was about the hormones and values of teenage boys. You still have a problem and your distrust and animous toward people of color in authority is well documented. It appears, also, that this animous extends to Jews as well. Your hatred will stand you in high stead with the christians, reactionaries, tea-partiers and other republican'ts. May you soon be their spokeswoman. Few willl do the job with more gusto and many with less aplomb.

  • geo1671

    Take a look at this interview. Hear a wonderfull talented American lady speak out about Zionist America and the recent Israel killings.What bothered me most were the ugly comments attributed to a fine senior citizen lady. Ever read Ugly American? What is wrong with most Americans,is it the water they drink?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6cj86ZWR_U&feat…

  • SnobsandBitches

    He lives in what the world calls “international Laws” & historical events. On the other hand you live on the premise that cleaning the dirty ass of Israeli politics is an intellectual journey

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Theodore-R-Blodgett/1332815109 Theodore R. Blodgett

    As an American citizen I consider it my duty to my countries ideals to join any aid flotilla to Gaza that I am invited to join. As an American veteran I consider US Rep. Brad Sherman to be an anti-American right wing threat to my countries security.

  • kkk

    thats right, lets join hamas for a peace loving bbq

    they have killed more arabs than israel.

    where is the muslim outrage when a muslim blows up a food market in iraq killing 100′s of there own people?

  • kkk

    thats right, lets join hamas for a peace loving bbq

    they have killed more arabs than israel.

    where is the muslim outrage when a muslim blows up a food market in iraq killing 100′s of there own people?

  • SnobsandBitches

    Bla Bla Bla……Jew Haters, antisemitic….

    You need to memorize new words.Like : Cowboys, Indians…..

    Nice try though, with the “Freud in short pants” psychoanalysis…I have news for you Brother,
    a hard-on doesn't count as personal growth…..

  • BroccoliRob

    I figured that a little dose of reality would spur you on to new heights of fantasy. I was right!

    Want some pictures of gays hung from poles in Iran or beheaddings to inspire you further?

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    Just tell me one thing. Did you support Johnson’s false flag operation against the Egyptians that the Israelis managed to botch by not sinking the Liberty before somebody noticed what they were doing?

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    Just tell me one thing. Did you support Johnson’s false flag operation against the Egyptians that the Israelis managed to botch by not sinking the Liberty before somebody noticed what they were doing?

  • BroccoliRob

    If you knew anything, you would know that there is no such thing as a “half jew.” But you did explain one question I have always wondered about. You explained why liberals love to use the word “Nazi” to describe persons with contrary opinions. They are hiding in the cloak of accusers! Thank you, I shall se this in the future.

    By the way, your cloak is showing.

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    See Norman Finkelstein for the Hamas/Palestinian peace offensive. It is Israel, as they have shown countless times, that does not want peace. Everything else is a lie:

    “Our people will not say: ‘Hello, I am from the hasbara department of the Israeli foreign ministry and I want to tell you the following.’ Nor will they necessarily identify themselves as Israelis,” he said. “They will speak as net-surfers and as citizens, and will write responses that will look personal but will be based on a prepared list of messages that the foreign ministry developed.”

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    See Norman Finkelstein for the Hamas/Palestinian peace offensive. It is Israel, as they have shown countless times, that does not want peace. Everything else is a lie:

    “Our people will not say: ‘Hello, I am from the hasbara department of the Israeli foreign ministry and I want to tell you the following.’ Nor will they necessarily identify themselves as Israelis,” he said. “They will speak as net-surfers and as citizens, and will write responses that will look personal but will be based on a prepared list of messages that the foreign ministry developed.”

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    Assuming he’s not just a paid shill of the Israeli foreign ministry:

    “Our people will not say: ‘Hello, I am from the hasbara department of the Israeli foreign ministry and I want to tell you the following.’ Nor will they necessarily identify themselves as Israelis,” he said. “They will speak as net-surfers and as citizens, and will write responses that will look personal but will be based on a prepared list of messages that the foreign ministry developed.”

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    Assuming he’s not just a paid shill of the Israeli foreign ministry:

    “Our people will not say: ‘Hello, I am from the hasbara department of the Israeli foreign ministry and I want to tell you the following.’ Nor will they necessarily identify themselves as Israelis,” he said. “They will speak as net-surfers and as citizens, and will write responses that will look personal but will be based on a prepared list of messages that the foreign ministry developed.”

  • Guest

    Ginned up

    Meaning

    Drunk; by drinking gin or other alcoholic drink. Alternatively; enlivened.

    Origin

    Gin has been used as a verb with several meanings:
    To start – clearly a synonym of ‘begin’. This is old and is cited in Wycliffe’s Bible, 1382:

    “Heere gynneth the prologe in the boc of Ecclesiastes. Ibid. i. heading, Heer gynneth the booc.”
    To catch (in a trap). Also old, as seen here in John Fletcher’s, The Nice Valour, 1625:

    “So, so, the Wood~cock’s gin’d; Keep this doore fast, brother.”
    To give. This seems to be just a southern US pronunciation of ‘give’. In use since at least 1844, as here from the Ohio newspaper The Lorain Republican, from April that year:

    “He paid me my half and I gin him up the note.”
    To remove the seeds of cotton from. From the Transactions of the Society of Arts, 1789:

    “It is the easiest of all Cotton to gin.”
    To excite or enliven – to make work hard. This may be a form of, or precursor to, ‘ginger up’. Francis Francis Junior’s, Saddle & Mocassin, 1887, has:

    “The Apaches were out to beat hell – And they were ginning her up, and making things a bit lively, that’s a fact!”
    To drink liquor, especially gin.

    From the Helena Independent, 1881:

    In New England when a man is drunk he is “on a tool,” in Chicago he is “on a hoorah,” in St Louis he “has a dash too much up his nose,” in Kansas City he is “ginned up for all that’s out;” in St. Joe, “the benzine has the upper hold;” in Omaha “he’s on it bigger’n an Injun;” in Denver “he slung in a bowl too much;” in Cheyenne “the duffer’s got it in the neck;” in Leadville “the galoot’s on a roarer agin!;” in Bismark “he fills up with bug juice and gets fuller’n a goose”…

    From the Athens Messenger, Athens, Ohio, 1886:

    “Cannot you imagine, Mr Tower, that you hear the tremendous lion-like roar of the cataract even now?”
    He shock his head. “No, Miss, no; I couldn’t bring myself to imagine such a thing, unless I had ginned up better than I’m likely to do today.”
    “And his grin seemed to intimate that possibly the brilliant play of my own fancy was due to alcoholic stimulant.”

    Clearly with so many meanings of the word, any of which could be the source of ‘gin up’, the derivation isn’t straightforward. The last two meanings of gin given above both have traceable links to ‘gin up’. Apart from the use of the word gin, they appear to be unconnected.

    So, we have two phrases:
    - To ‘gin up’ – ‘to excite or enliven’, possibly related to ‘ginger up’.
    - To ‘gin up’ – ‘to drink’, particularly gin.

    - To ‘gin up’ – ‘to excite or enliven’, possibly related to ‘ginger up’.
    - To ‘gin up’ – ‘to drink’, particularly gin.

  • Guest

    Ginned up

    Meaning

    Drunk; by drinking gin or other alcoholic drink. Alternatively; enlivened.

    Origin

    Gin has been used as a verb with several meanings:
    To start – clearly a synonym of ‘begin’. This is old and is cited in Wycliffe’s Bible, 1382:

    “Heere gynneth the prologe in the boc of Ecclesiastes. Ibid. i. heading, Heer gynneth the booc.”
    To catch (in a trap). Also old, as seen here in John Fletcher’s, The Nice Valour, 1625:

    “So, so, the Wood~cock’s gin’d; Keep this doore fast, brother.”
    To give. This seems to be just a southern US pronunciation of ‘give’. In use since at least 1844, as here from the Ohio newspaper The Lorain Republican, from April that year:

    “He paid me my half and I gin him up the note.”
    To remove the seeds of cotton from. From the Transactions of the Society of Arts, 1789:

    “It is the easiest of all Cotton to gin.”
    To excite or enliven – to make work hard. This may be a form of, or precursor to, ‘ginger up’. Francis Francis Junior’s, Saddle & Mocassin, 1887, has:

    “The Apaches were out to beat hell – And they were ginning her up, and making things a bit lively, that’s a fact!”
    To drink liquor, especially gin.

    From the Helena Independent, 1881:

    In New England when a man is drunk he is “on a tool,” in Chicago he is “on a hoorah,” in St Louis he “has a dash too much up his nose,” in Kansas City he is “ginned up for all that’s out;” in St. Joe, “the benzine has the upper hold;” in Omaha “he’s on it bigger’n an Injun;” in Denver “he slung in a bowl too much;” in Cheyenne “the duffer’s got it in the neck;” in Leadville “the galoot’s on a roarer agin!;” in Bismark “he fills up with bug juice and gets fuller’n a goose”…

    From the Athens Messenger, Athens, Ohio, 1886:

    “Cannot you imagine, Mr Tower, that you hear the tremendous lion-like roar of the cataract even now?”
    He shock his head. “No, Miss, no; I couldn’t bring myself to imagine such a thing, unless I had ginned up better than I’m likely to do today.”
    “And his grin seemed to intimate that possibly the brilliant play of my own fancy was due to alcoholic stimulant.”

    Clearly with so many meanings of the word, any of which could be the source of ‘gin up’, the derivation isn’t straightforward. The last two meanings of gin given above both have traceable links to ‘gin up’. Apart from the use of the word gin, they appear to be unconnected.

    So, we have two phrases:
    - To ‘gin up’ – ‘to excite or enliven’, possibly related to ‘ginger up’.
    - To ‘gin up’ – ‘to drink’, particularly gin.

    - To ‘gin up’ – ‘to excite or enliven’, possibly related to ‘ginger up’.
    - To ‘gin up’ – ‘to drink’, particularly gin.

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    How do you know when a lawyer is lying? His lips are moving.

    So, how’s the food at the Mexican restaurant across from your office?

    Has BP called yet? That is what you do, defend corporations against the little guy?

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    How do you know when a lawyer is lying? His lips are moving.

    So, how’s the food at the Mexican restaurant across from your office?

    Has BP called yet? That is what you do, defend corporations against the little guy?

  • BroccoliRob

    Now that the identity of the so-called “peace activists” are becomming known,
    this controversy will be quietly broomed under the rug by the media.

  • SnobsandBitches

    Hahaha, are you accusing me of falsifying historical documents?, or is it the best way you found to cover for your absolute ignorance of the topic?. Do a web search ( If you can use anything beyond a Playstation) for :

    “Fundamental Features of the Proposal of the National Military Organization in Palestine (Irgun Zvai Leumi) Concerning the Solution of the Jewish Question in Europe and
    the Participation of the NMO in the War on the Side of Germany “

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    He’s a lawyer who specializes in convincing juries that it’s no big deal to lose an arm or a leg because of corporate negligence. Consider the source.

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    He’s a lawyer who specializes in convincing juries that it’s no big deal to lose an arm or a leg because of corporate negligence. Consider the source.

  • LumberJock

    I'm no nut job. I work for a living; meet payroll; serve customers; save for retirement; voted Democrat since I met Reagan and listened to Liddy at dinner with my Aunt and served 2 rotations on the UN Mission monitoring the Sinai. I reject religion; embrace Plate Tectonics and have since 1962; accept evolution is fact, even if the 'fossil record' is incomplete since biological matter is biodegradeable and fossilizes only under ideal and rare conditions. You want to disagree? Fine! You want to call me an asswhole? Fine – spell it correctly! What I'm not is the image of knuckle-dragging Neanderthal. I'm a former White House Fellow (Nixon, Ford or Carter – you don't think I'm going to tell you enough to identify me do you?), graduate education from (pick two): South Carolina, Kentucky, Southern Methodist, Maryland, Columbia or Georgetown. Make all the ad hominem attacks you want, but remember … they are inaccurate and will not sting. If they are funny – thanks. If not your stupidity will procreate more little stupid children who will grow up to be as stupid as you and the jobless recession will strike them as forcefully as it strikes you. All the ad hom attacks will be from republican't trolls or thew equivalent … like hurlyburly. You shit for brains trolls voted for republican'ts and will get what you deserve. Those rich people for whom you write will grant you trickle-down largess; we all know what 'trickles dow' … urine, feces and other forms of excrement and emesia.

    TaaTaa for now illiterate chumps.

    I'm still supporting O'Bama, Jews, Democrats, Israelis and those whom they in turn support.

  • BroccoliRob

    Facts, thaey are stubbern things, aren't they?

  • SnobsandBitches

    I am not about to waste my time with an idiot who has an IQ 3 degrees below whale shit.

    Mischlinge “Nazi classification for Germans of mixed race”

    http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/holopre…

    Hitler's Jewish Soldiers :

    http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Jewish-Soldiers-L…

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    Not too bright are you? I was agreeing with you. Do I really have to spell it all out like you were a kid in grammar school? Are you so unsure of your own logic that you just assume that I would want to argue with you?

    This is why the American left is doomed.

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    Not too bright are you? I was agreeing with you. Do I really have to spell it all out like you were a kid in grammar school? Are you so unsure of your own logic that you just assume that I would want to argue with you?

    This is why the American left is doomed.

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    Go look it up. I have better things to do.

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    Go look it up. I have better things to do.

  • SnobsandBitches

    Especially with your command of the English language. Grasp your ears firmly and pull; you might just be able to remove your head from you rectum….

  • Humble Opinion

    Time to turn Israhell to a parking lot…

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    See Norman Finkelstein (Google Videos) on the current Palestinian/Hamas peace offensive. It is Israel that always torpedos the peace talks when they sense they might be going somewhere. The reason? Israel wants ALL of Palestine and they will go to any length to achieve that goal. Everything else is delusion.

    “Our people will not say: ‘Hello, I am from the hasbara department of the Israeli foreign ministry and I want to tell you the following.’ Nor will they necessarily identify themselves as Israelis,” he said. “They will speak as net-surfers and as citizens, and will write responses that will look personal but will be based on a prepared list of messages that the foreign ministry developed.”

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    See Norman Finkelstein (Google Videos) on the current Palestinian/Hamas peace offensive. It is Israel that always torpedos the peace talks when they sense they might be going somewhere. The reason? Israel wants ALL of Palestine and they will go to any length to achieve that goal. Everything else is delusion.

    “Our people will not say: ‘Hello, I am from the hasbara department of the Israeli foreign ministry and I want to tell you the following.’ Nor will they necessarily identify themselves as Israelis,” he said. “They will speak as net-surfers and as citizens, and will write responses that will look personal but will be based on a prepared list of messages that the foreign ministry developed.”

  • BroccoliRob

    I am trying to figure out what the existance of one fringe document from the 1930s has to
    what is happening today. I guess that Roosevelt can be blamed for Stalin then?

  • Guest

    snobsandbitches, you crack me up when I read your posts. It’s nice of you to stick up for your opponents. Another mod reviewed his two flagged posts and approved them. The conspiracy to stifle sailor’s speech has now ended and the poster can relax for now. Everything’s back to status quo. LOL

  • Guest

    snobsandbitches, you crack me up when I read your posts. It’s nice of you to stick up for your opponents. Another mod reviewed his two flagged posts and approved them. The conspiracy to stifle sailor’s speech has now ended and the poster can relax for now. Everything’s back to status quo. LOL

  • indi_progressive

    CRITICIZING A SOVEREIGN STATE'S GOVERNMENT FOR ITS FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC POLICIES IS NOT ANTI-SEMITISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • SnobsandBitches

    Why is the accusation of liberal only appeals to people who's IQs can't reach room temperature.. What brand of crystal ball are you using to determine I am a “liberal”. I am not even a US citizen,there is no such thing as “liberal” in the world outside the US….

  • BroccoliRob

    Yes, I have often said the same…to you, Benway!

  • BroccoliRob

    Of course not, Benway, you are Canadian.

  • David

    Brad Sherman is a Jew and is also probably an agent of Israel. At best he is one of Israels pimps along with Jane Harmon, Diane Findstein, Joe Lieberman and many, many others in congress. Is anyone surprised that he is taking up with Israel against his own countrymen?

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    No, we just finance them. In exchange for which we get a base in the Middle East without having to commit any soldiers.

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    Hey, these are guys who believe in mudmen. They had to make sure he didn’t rise from the dead and smite them.

  • SnobsandBitches

    You made quite a journey already…. from “new heights of fantasy….” to ” I am trying to figure out what the existance of one fringe document from the 1930s…”
    Go figure out boy, do figure out before making an ass of yourself….

    Kid, you don't have a clue, do your home work, get the basics before exposing yourself on a public forum. I am done playing with you.You obviously never went beyond third grade. Go back to your Playstation, I have no time to play pissing contest with some snotty 15 yr old.

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    Have you seen Alex Jones’s take on that in Terror Storm? It was another one of LBJ’s false flag operations like the Gulf of Tonkin, meant to be blamed on the Egyptians to justify an American invasion of the Middle East and seizure of their oil fields. Sound familiar?

  • Anonymous

    knock it off Benway…this is getting irritating…

  • Guest

    Thanks for the compliment, You know how to speak to a lady. ㋡ Hahaha.But yes indeed, I do stick for the freedom of expression of my opponents (especially for them) It is easy and intellectually lazy to give freedom of expression only to those you are in agreement with, this is the first rule of intellectual integrity,and I love to beat my opponent fair and square. I have to take the opportunity to applaud you, the rest of the Mods team and the people running Raw Story, because you are providing a platform for true free speech, and nowadays it is become a luxury..

  • Lyman

    I have never registered as a member of the Democratic Party.
    They have never been, nor will ever be, worthy of my commitment or loyalty.

  • SnobsandBitches

    Well. You just made it to the “Specially Skilled Dimwit Award of the Day”….
    You are suggesting that I am “Benway for the Nova Police”?.

    Even for someone who has an intellectual brain activity equals to the mental bandwidth of a dead fetus, you have surpassed yourself. “Benway for the Nova Police” has been pissing on my shoes since I started to post in this forum. You only have to go back & read some of our exchanges. Plus the Moderators can easily certify that my IP doesn't match Benway for the Nova Police's IP….

    Stop touching yourself Kid, if you want free porn, all you have to do is ask.

  • Live Free or Die

    Boo!!!!! Asshole…lol

    Nobody likes your fucking comments, idiot. Get on the right side of history, bitch!

  • Guest

    Sailor. You make keep on calling me a “Jew hater & a Nazi” but from now you have yet another major handicap,because I actually stood up for your freedom of expression, regardless how distasteful in general, & particularly slanderous in my regard. I would respectfully suggest you to use the “open minded Jew hater” & “democratic Nazi” from now on….Shalom

  • andy

    the next time the US is attacked by people motivated by what the Israeli's do to the palestinians, you can blame Brad Sherman .

  • david

    These fake politicians make me sick, they sell their soles for a few bucks from the Israel lobby

  • panamarick

    How many knives in the back do the people of this country (the United States) have to take from this tiny, bullshit enclave called Israel before we realize that these people have worked very hard to earn their reputation as thieves and cut-throats and they are proud of it? There is no saving a stray dog if every time you extend your hand in friendship it bites you in return for your kind gesture.

  • LumberJock

    This is opinion. The 'quotes' are really paraphrasing and also out of context. You are pond scum. Let me catch you on a well lighted street at noon so you have nowhere to hide your lieing ass and then we'll see who has truth justice and social equity on it's side.

    I will!

  • LumberJock

    Again — out of context and paraphrasing.

    Shit-for-brains liar.

  • LumberJock

    More like you're the airhead juvenile.

    Where are you incarcerated?

    What is your Aryian Nation identity?

  • TaterSalad

    It seems that our President and his close terrorist friends of the so-called “past” are behind this flotilla thing near Gaza. Please Lord, help us!

    http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2010/05…

  • LumberJock

    Not likely. But safety is available under my personal protection should it be necessary.

  • SnobsandBitches

    Wow, Going postal on me? If I took something out of context, you only have to point it & I shall apologize

    “More like you're the airhead juvenile….”
    Right, and your response to “airhead juvenile” is a remarkable demonstration of maturity such as”

    ” Let me catch you on a well lighted street at noon so you have nowhere to hide your lieing ass and then we'll see who has truth justice and social equity on it's side”.

    But since you will never catch me anywhere…..You better chill out.
    May I call you Mister “thin skin”?.

  • LumberJock

    Now that was droll. I'll keep on laughing until your cupidity erases the good humor accidently imparted.

  • SnobsandBitches

    Well thank you very much, but I am a big girl,I can take care of myself. Occasionally enjoying kicking someone in the nuts when the breathing becomes too close to my neck :)

    Now relax big man, If I misquoted you, you made it clear & I apologize for it. But eventually you may continue with the name calling, it is up to you.

  • LumberJock

    Is this a Georgia, Mississippi or Texas education that doesn't know how to spell?

  • Guest

    Benway
    There is someone with the IQ of a doorknob who believes you and i are the same person…..
    Can you please stop being nice with me? It really does look suspicious.Hahaha

  • LumberJock

    Given the arguments used – it most certainly is.

  • LumberJock

    Neither of us is a pimp or taking up as you so illterately put it.

  • SnobsandBitches

    You are welcome. I am also very popular with wappy little dogs, let's exchange recipes….

  • LumberJock

    Thank you.

    We don't want stupid people anyway. Your enough trouble on the other side.

  • LumberJock

    A well and usefully placed one would be in your back … about C-2/C-3. Keeping you alive as an obvious tasteless, voiceless, listless drain on humanity, instead of a stealth tasteless, voiceless, drain on humanity!

    Ideally you are married, so someone has already signed on to handle the details.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/BXAID5YQT6YF5MQRPSMFHVT6TA sacha

    are you a zionist

  • Natty

    Hey Raw, you want to do some real journalism? A Palestinian activist was found dead in the river close to downtown Austin, TX. about 2 years ago. He had his hands duck taped, his mouth duct taped , and had somehow crawled 100 yards to the lake from his car. Austin Police have ruled this a suicide. It seems the Munich assassins are patrolling our cities now with a license to kill.

    http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=25158

  • enthous

    Some of your posts are being flagged by other posters, but the moderators have not taken down any of your posts. Of your two posts that have not been restored – one is about raping women and the other is about killing people of the Jewish faith. You may want to avoid those two topics in your future posts since they are considered hateful and unkind.

  • Lyman

    Who exactly is “We”, dick-wad?

  • cryin'justice

    Right after our political leaders support prosecuting Americans for their Flotilla participation, the US populace should demand prosecution of the political leaders for violating the Symington Act by sending Israeli massive aid.

  • Hook up

    So much outrage and international protests but where is the Arab outrage when a arab woman straps bombs to herself and blows up a fruit market in Iraq killing 120 fellow Muslims.

    Where is the outrage when a Muslim blows up a hotel in India killing other Muslims

    For all of you condemning Israel did you forget 9/11? The Arabs were dancing in the streets passing out candy? Hamas has fired 7000 rockets into Israel the past 4 years. If they were from Canada into the USA what would citizens of the USA demand ?

    Hamas has killed more Arabs in gaza then is real so where is the outrage? Funny how aid comes from turkey but not from Saudi Arabia or other rich Arab nations?

    These is no arB call for peace they are savage killers . They come to the USA and enjoy freedom in this country then want to kill creators of south park

    I say fuk Mohammad in the arse

  • BroccoliRob

    Don't flatter yourself. What did you do, Place? The most brilliant statement I ever heard from you is that there are no liberals outside the US.

  • Arab

    Where us the Arab outrage when arabs blow up fruit markets in Iraq killing 100 other Arabs

    Why no protests

    Did you forget 9/11 when the Arabs worldwide were dancing in the streets passing out candy

    Hamas has fired 7000 rockets into Israel and refuses to let is real exist and have killed more Arabs in the gaza strip then israel has and refuses elections

    If Canada fired 7000 rockets into yea what would we do?

  • Arab

    Furk mohammod in the are

    Oh wait the creators of south park were threatened with death by Arabs living freely in the usa

  • Eace

    Let's see the Muslims treat their woman like dogs ,kill each other in Iraq daily, call for worldwide death of anyone that says anything bad about mohammod aka south park, Danish journalists, blow up hotels in India, let's not forget 9/11

    Israel just wants to be left alone but they have been attacked since existence. Funny how no Arab country gives aid or pressures hamas to accept peace.

    If israel was relocated to northern Nevada and gave the country to the palestiniAns would the Arabs be happy and we would have worldwide peace and ham as would disappear?

    Get real, they are the true fling animals never forget the beheading live on tv never forget 9/11

    Arabs Muslims want us dead, is real just wants to live without the threat of violence against it's citizens

  • panamarick

    Ah, up pops a roach. laugh out loud I think they say. “Moran.”

  • Thedude

    Any of you israel haters out there where would you take your daughters and wife on vacation to?

    An Arab country or Israel?

    In Israel you can go to a star bucks or the beach just like hear in America

    In an Arab country you daughters and wife are 2nd class human beings not allowed to drive, or leave the house alone

    When you see a protest in Arab countries where are the woman? Are they allowed outside?
    They are dogs and you know it

    Hate Israel all you want but if you were dying and your daughtershad to go live in Israel or an Arab country every one of you haters would pick Israel

  • LumberJock

    The Jews were there before anyone else. The Pals used to be christians. Remember the Pope removed Muhammed from the priesthood because he was teaching that he was a superior prophet.

    More disinformation … More spin … More bullshit!

  • LumberJock

    NO! shizbot!!!

    Genned as in generated. Computer slang for began. We genned their new system.

  • panamarick

    For me your idiotic questions define the term Hobson's choice. One does not have to hate Israel and love an Arab or Muslim country in return. Personally I think they both suck on equal levels, but that opinion won't keep the “holy war” going for the Jews, the Muslims and the Christians.

    Well if your looking for choosing sides let me offer my side that I choose. I think every religious person is a nut, and a potential murder and I do sincerely wish you all would gather at the river an annihilate your selves so the rest of us could get to the task of creating a world where all could finally live in peace.

  • LumberJock

    Blame the Jews for being SonderKommando, too? You appearred to have promise, but this is a sickening analogy and affiliation.

  • Investigate-NWO-globalists

    Apartheid Israel needs to change its ways, and fast!

  • yvonneo

    Here’s the problem with your theory (which I might add is almost line for line the same as the official israeli govt’s (and its apologists’) theory: There was one activist that was only shot once between the eyes (or eyebrows) from a long distance, unlike all of the other murdered activists that were shot multiple times at close range, with most (if not all) of those having at least one gunshot wound to the head (which suggests to me that after they were wounded, they were shot in the head to ensure that they were dead).

    And the fact that the one activist was only shot once and from a distance, it suggests that he was not only shot by the israelis before they boarded the Mavi Marmara, but that this violent action by the israeli commandos caused the other activists great alarm that then caused them to react by attempting to defend themselves any way they could.

    I’d also like to know what happened to six activists that are still missing–some eyewitnesses are saying the israeli commandos tossed them overboard. So there could very well be more than the 9 dead that has been reported.

  • LumberJock

    Calling you a klan member, Nazi, etc. is not a refuge from other literate nouns. Actually they fit your arguments. Attacking Jews will get me attached to your tookus with my size 10-E boot. Unless you are a veteran, you’ll have to pay to have it removed. That’s the price you have to pay for attacking Jews.

    That you wish to undertake these exchanges on an open forum isn’t going to cut you some slack. You rite-weng hate boosters need to stay in your own venues.

    Usually, you’re a humerous diversion, and we have something to laugh at – your stupidity – but on this issue, you’re useless and get in the way. We don’t pollute your discussion sites, so … why not return the complement? Or are you so insecure that you are required to interfere in the open exchange of ideas among your opponents?

  • luschnig

    Israelis should be thoroughly embarrassed to get support from the Nazi-minded Sherman who wants to punish humanitarians. Is he perhaps related to the General Sherman who spread terror during the Civil War?

  • BJW

    It’s not always easy to tell which is the puppet and which is the puppeteer. For decades, Congress has been derided as Israeli Occupied Territory. It has only now become clear by a vote showing only four members of the entire House have not sold out their own country and the people they represent. It’s even worse in the Senate. Obama knows better but it was part of the deal to put him in the White House that he would use every cent in the Treasury and every drop of US blood to achieve the goal of a Greater Israel.

    After all, the walls of the White House are filled with portraits of Presidents who participated in genocidal campaigns. Andrew Jackson got elected for being such a fantastic Indian Killer. The US has been waging a genocidal campaign against the Moros in the Sulu Sea since the defeat of Spain in the Spanish-American after they put down the resistance to occupation by the Filipinos themselves. It’s all about land grabs under the cover of religious missions.

    It is Obama who should be removed for aiding and abetting Israeli terrorists continuing to grab land that they have no right to and never had a right to. Once again, genocide is being committed in our name and anyone who does not protest and keep protesting is complicit.

  • luschnig

    Hey Dude, if you would ever poke your head out of the trailer, you might discovert that thousands of Israelis and tens of thousand of Jews vacation regularly in Arab countries. That's because most Jews aren't as close minded and ignorant as you apparently are. For myself, I prefer France.

  • LumberJock

    Eck-two-ally you’re the one needing to grasp earlobes with opposite thumb & index finger is you. Facts usually get in the way of spurious accusations and specious argument. Better luck over on your tea-partizan sites.

  • BJW

    Less so on Hillary’s than Obama’s. After all, Hillary was one of the first public figures to call for a Palestinian homeland back when she was First Lady and it got her in a heap of trouble with AIPAC for which she had to kowtow a thousand times in order to get elected Senator in New York. Obama made a deal in order to get elected President and he has shown no signs of going back on his deal. After all, what’s a little genocide in the morning with so many precedents set by earlier presidents. It’s his calm, practical side dominating any conscience or sensitivity he might have had to relieving the plight of the oppressed and helpless.

  • roundabout77

    “The passengers' claim of an “assassination list” has not been corroborated.”
    Maybe, because the “assassination list” doesn't exist. How would Israel know who was on the boat before-hand. And during the craziness of the commando raid, are we to believe some passengers had the time to “rummage captured soldiers' belongings and claimed to unearth a document that they allege is a list of people Israel intended to assassinate.”
    When were Israel soldiers captured and how much time was there to frisk them. The flotilla people claim they were massacred. Makes no sense.

  • luschnig

    So now, we read “mohammod aka south park”. I imagine this poster thinks that another name for the Prophet Mohammed is “South Park”. On the other hand, this genius might not know what 'aka' means.

  • BJW

    So? What’s not to like about Soros and whomever he chooses to support? Is it only totalitarians and corporate hacks who are allowed to publish or broadcast?

  • BJW

    Here we go again. Back to the fifties and Joe McCarthy. Anything you don’t agree with gets labeled as commie or red or pinko. Didn’t you get the memo that commies have been replaced by terrorists, Islamic fundies, lefties, liberals and socialist single payer advocates?

  • syanyde

    I see the “GIYUS Megaphone” has got the pro-Israel camp flocking here calling anyone that disagrees with Israel's government a “jew-hater” or “anti-semite” or suggest that because someone believes in International law, that they somehow support Hamas – as if we can't condemn both sides.

    People with different names posting the same key statements in rapid succession tends to give the game away a bit.

  • Guest

    I though we were supposed to be cordial to each other?. The above post was not my last reply to you.But if you wish on playing good cop, bad cop….

    I don’t think I have to convince you or anyone else that I am not some kind of Nazi freak chick.I know who I am and what I am not.
    I find the systematic accusation of Nazi so ridiculous& childish, reminds me the good old Stalinist strategy of character assassination.

    I am holding everyone to the same standards. If the fact of criticizing Israelis for the crimes they are committing, is tantamount to Nazi worshiping, i guess I will have to live with that.

  • thedude

    yeah your'e right. take your daughters to saudi arabia. fyi no jews are allowed into most arab countries except egypt and jordan.

    maybe you were danicing in the streets after 9-11 like the arabs were. you inbred hillbilly arab loving loser.

  • tim34994

    brad Sherman is kissing up to Israel. Screw him and Israel

  • timely

    i agree but how do you live in peace when 7000 rockets are shot into your streets? did you forget israel offered arafat 98% of what he wanted and instead of accepting peace he lauched a 2 year jihad where suicide bombers were blowing up school buses.

    while the palstinians were living in squalor the only financial assistance from any arab state was from saddam who offered $25 k to the families of suicide bobmers.

  • kkk

    ok you badmouth mohammed and the muslims threaten your life.

    nice group.

    you mohammed loving arse fukkker.

  • nra

    were you dancing in the streets after 9-11?

    truth is the usa needs israel more than they need us. israel is the only country in the middle east that does not wish the usa dead.

    you arab loving loser.

  • pakaal

    The passengers had an opportunity to “rummage through” all the Israeli forces' gear? While the raid was going on?

    Possible, but it strikes me as unlikely.

  • aaa

    osama was motivated by the usa presence in saudi araba.

    you arab loving ck sucker

  • thedude

    hay luschnig let your wife and daughters walk the streets alone in a pair of shorts and a halter top in iraq, iran, saudi arabia, west bank, gaza strip, qatar, abu dabi, etc i guess they will be safe and secure and loved by all the nice arab men

    you are a fking loser and terrorist loving pos.

  • mick

    Fuck up
    For all of you condemning Israel did you forget 9/11 ?
    Do you mean the Israeli’s arrested for prior knowledge ? google “5 dancing israeli’s” or “carl camerons 4 part fox news story on israeli spying on america”.

    your a racist but you know that already .And by your last sentence possibly homosexual.

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    “Our people will not say: ‘Hello, I am from the Hasbara department of the Israeli foreign ministry and I want to tell you the following.’ Nor will they necessarily identify themselves as Israelis,” he said. “They will speak as net-surfers and as citizens, and will write responses that will look personal but will be based on a prepared list of messages that the foreign ministry developed.”

    http://www.atlanticfreepress.com/news/1-/10793-…

  • Guest

    “tea-partizan sites”. Wow, what do you use as speech impediment…your foot?.
    From Nazi-Klan…..to tea partizane….Quite a ride….

    Listen, you accused me of almost everything under the sun, when you found yourself out of nasty epithets, you may actually start to insult my mother.And just between you and me, I am not a US citizen, the place where I was born, doesn’t have Klu Klux Klan ot Tea Party.These are United States of America contributions to moral leprosy and intellectual misery.You cannot blame me for something that smells like,shit, tastes like spunk, and has “made in the US” on it…..

  • Benway for the Nova Police
  • Benway for the Nova Police

    “Our people will not say: ‘Hello, I am from the hasbara department of the Israeli foreign ministry and I want to tell you the following.’ Nor will they necessarily identify themselves as Israelis,” he said. “They will speak as net-surfers and as citizens, and will write responses that will look personal but will be based on a prepared list of messages that the foreign ministry developed.”

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    “Our people will not say: ‘Hello, I am from the hasbara department of the Israeli foreign ministry and I want to tell you the following.’ Nor will they necessarily identify themselves as Israelis,” he said. “They will speak as net-surfers and as citizens, and will write responses that will look personal but will be based on a prepared list of messages that the foreign ministry developed.”

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    “Our people will not say: ‘Hello, I am from the hasbara department of the Israeli foreign ministry and I want to tell you the following.’ Nor will they necessarily identify themselves as Israelis,” he said. “They will speak as net-surfers and as citizens, and will write responses that will look personal but will be based on a prepared list of messages that the foreign ministry developed.”

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    “Our people will not say: ‘Hello, I am from the hasbara department of the Israeli foreign ministry and I want to tell you the following.’ Nor will they necessarily identify themselves as Israelis,” he said. “They will speak as net-surfers and as citizens, and will write responses that will look personal but will be based on a prepared list of messages that the foreign ministry developed.”

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    “Our people will not say: ‘Hello, I am from the hasbara department of the Israeli foreign ministry and I want to tell you the following.’ Nor will they necessarily identify themselves as Israelis,” he said. “They will speak as net-surfers and as citizens, and will write responses that will look personal but will be based on a prepared list of messages that the foreign ministry developed.”

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    Their soles are only worth a few bucks. Their souls, on the other hand…

  • LumberJock

    1/2 dozen eggs, 2 oz green onion, 2 oz sour cream, garlic, salt & pepper to taste, 4 oz. browned & crumbled sausage; whole wheat or rye toast. Combine eggs, sausage, onion, garlic, salt & pepper – cook. Serve on toast, top with low fat sour cream.

  • cliffhammond

    Brad Sherman is an Israeli who happens to live in California.

  • BJW

    Hamas was elected because of the charities they had been running, not because of the attacks on Israel. If the Gazans had not been so dependent on those charities, it would have been a different story. There was a concerted effort on the part of Israel and their plants in the US Government to have all Muslim charities charged with supporting terrorists and wiped out as a part of the genocide effort by making life in the Occupied Territories unbearable and unsustainable. Israel and her US counterparts should all be put on trial for crimes against humanity. They are no different than the Janjaweed except they wear suits and have law degrees and uniforms. They are no less uncivilized and murderous.

  • Ibett

    Where are the Israeli casualties? If Israelis were attacked there would be pictures of injured or dead Israel soldiers, would there not?

  • cliffhammond

    So? Israel has their Irgun and Mossad terrorist organizations; why can't Palestine have theirs?

  • markusgarvey
  • BJW

    The Jews have created a historical record that they were there for a certain period of time in history along with many other people and tribes. They were not the first nor was the land their exclusively. It was always a patchwork of tribes and many of them were described in the Old and New Testament as well as earlier histories. The line of Abraham was not the only line and his line also included the people who became the Arabs and first to convert to Islam. Palestine was tribal and diverse in the same way that every other place was on the face of the earth with one group constantly fighting, conquering and displacing another. There were probably as many Jews in Normandy before 1066 as there were in Palestine and they were there co-existing with the Norsemen.

    By the same logic, everyone with a creation mythology gets to push everybody else out and claim all the land where they lived thousands and thousands of years ago. I guess the ones with the oldest claims win. The Manchurians could possible claim the entire West Coast of North America. Maybe even more if DNA tests were used.

    Zionists claims were recognized by the superpowers of the day (France, Britain and the emerging US) because they did not want to deal with the refugees leaving German occupied territories. The US did not want to take them either and supported the British creating the Mandate in Palestine all the while promising the people living there they would not be displaced and have their own homeland and the right to self-determination. The promises to the people living in Palestine in 1948 were not kept and they had just as many or more ancestors going back just as far. This one-sided fictionalized history that you are putting forth will not longer blind people who can research and read the original documents for themselves with a little effort. You can fool some of the people some of the time……you can even fool most of the people most of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all the time and the fools are not going to be happy when they finally wise up. The backlash is going to be something to fear and it could spin out of control.

  • Avanti

    The only thing was, the soldiers had trouble reading any such lists while they were being beaten to death by the mob of radical terrorist supporters armed with pipes, wrenches, knives, etc.

    Thank God that one of the soldiers finally was able to shoot some of these terrorists masquerading as peace mongers and cease the viscous attack.

    Good riddance.

  • cliffhammond

    Unfortunately, these days a person's religion identifies their nationalist loyalties. Sherman is a member in good standing of the fascist Der Judenstaat.

  • Anonymous

    you don’t have to spell it like that…the only thing that matters is how you use it

  • BJW

    Nope, I don’t think Zionism will ever match the Crusades or the Popes dividing up the globe and giving one-half to Spain and the other half to Portugal. It doesn’t hold a candle to Manifest Destiny and the Indian Removal Act. Or the Franciscan fathers enslaving the California tribes to the point of extinction, or the Canadian Christain schools established to remove the Indian from the Natives still living there cutting them off from their roots. It’s about the same level of disgust and anger I feel at the Roman Catholics who displaced and drove out my Salzberger ancestors from the Rhine River Valley causing them to end up in Oglethorpe’s colony along with debtors, Irish rebels and petty thieves from England’s prisons. The Protestant king gave them land as a buffer to Spanish Catholic Florida to protect the other English colonists from raids.

    Looking back, land grabs have so often been cloaked in the notion of it being the mandate of heaven or God’s Glory that had to be spread to the savages or Jerusalem had to be taken from the Saracens or the Christian martyrs had to be avenged by the French in Annam.

    It’s not religion itself that is the problem. It’s that those who pervert it to the service of their lust for power and wealth that deserve to be condemned as the greatest of all evils.

  • markusgarvey

    @Benway…please stop re posting the same comment …thanks

  • BJW

    It is an insult to female dogs protecting themselves to compare them to worthless scum such as Brad Sherman. You owe all bitches an apology, figurative and literal.

  • panamarick

    No you do not agree. You are so far down the rabbit hole you can't agree. I wish you all, every one of you religious destroyers of worlds would battle until your bodies are piled up like cord-wood. Only then will the rest of us have real peace. But your cowards will not go to the battle field at Armageddon and settle this horseshit, because you live to spread your hates. …Maybe you could all get together and “rapture.” That would be fine to, but however you settle this barbaric hobby please be sure to fight to the last man, last women, last child so you are all gone forever.

  • BJW

    ,There are even more who actively work and protest against Israel as lead by the radical Likudniks. They know they are the only ones who can save Israeli’s from themselves and from the inevitable backlash against all Jews if this continues. It is no coincidence that the strongest leaders in the support for justice for Palestinians is from American and European Jews of conscience at great sacrifice for their taking a public stand. It’s no fun to be called a self-hating Jew or traitor to one’s people. I admire them as much as the Likudniks fear them and slander them.

  • LumberJock

    Parallel argument to “Guns don’t kill; people do.”

  • BJW

    Only humans can be this creepy and inhumane and cruel. Subhumans act only to defend themselves and feed themselves. They are not capable of the 7 deadly sins. Not even monkeys are so full of greed, lust, envy and vanity as these Congress people. It’s a bad language habit to insult the poor innocent animals by comparing them to Congress Critters.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/BXAID5YQT6YF5MQRPSMFHVT6TA sacha

    Shut you Mexican pimp daddy

  • Sailor

    Just stating the facts,mam, just stating the facts!

  • markusgarvey

    now, now Fritz…you promised to play nice…

  • BJW

    Exactly. Bullies only pick on people who are too weak or small to fight back. That is exactly why the Palestinians need outside help. The Israeli government has turned into full-blown tyrants and genocidal maniacs convinced of their invincibility.

    Americans need to ask themselves how far are they willing to alienate the rest of the world by continuing to support such tyrants and bullies. It’s one thing when the corporations can harvest the natural resources that enrich Americans, or even exploit the cheap labor to import cheap goodies, but to continue to bleed money and lives for the sake of an outdated and discredited movement such as Zionism gone bonkers and genocidal…..well, it’s time they were asked the question. How much are they willing to sacrifice?

  • Westcoastliberal

    Sherman is oh-so wrong. The Israeli's need to get real and back way off, otherwise the U.S. will have no option than to withdraw support. Helen Thomas's recent comments are just the beginning of public opinion swaying from Israel if they keep this crap up.

  • http://caffeinesoldier.blogspot.com/ Gray

    Kick that bum out! Dems don't need such traitors. Sherman should decide if he's with his countrymen or with the Israelis.

  • LumberJock

    The commentary inside this thread is asynchronous and dischronic. I should have thought a little more about the topic and laidout instead of wading in. There are times commentary get bolloxxed – as a result of heavy traffic. Predictably this is one; I failed to think this through.

    I apologise for the confusion I’ve created.

  • Sailor

    Moslem on Muslim violence is perfectly acceptable and encouraged to show your love of Allah and his Pedophile Prophet. Any negative comments on this subject will result in a beheading at the hands of the followers of the religion of peace. Violence against Moslems is only outrageous when preformed by an infidel ,don’t cha know? as for muslim democracy it works like this—ONE MAN—-ONE VOTE—ONCE and NEVER AGAIN.

  • BJW

    After you have run across a few thousand of the messages from the prepared list, they become easy to recognize. They sit at computers in shifts ready to pounce first as soon as any story reflecting negatively on Israel hits the tubes or airwaves. I could almost catalog the messages according to rhetorical device or logical fallacy used. It would make a great thesis for a psych warfare PhD.

    However, this incident caught them with their pants down and their messages in conflict that even the dumbest dummies could see through. If the soldiers were armed with only tear gas and paintballs, and the resisters took their guns away, why is it the the resisters were killed at close range with so many bullets in them. Even true believers are going to have to go into a level of denial never reached before. Some of the are going to hit bottom of the denial pit and bounce back to reality.

  • BJW

    Wasn’t the Cheney/Bush regime supporting Hamas by insisting on elections when the PA was saying to wait? Aren’t they admitting per Liz Cheney today on This Week that they made a mistake in pushing the elections that got Hamas elected and legitimized? What I did not hear Liz Cheney say was that it was the charitable arm of Hamas that the GAzans voted for, not the freedom fighters (so-called terrorists).

  • Sailor

    I was offended by this terrorist Islamic supremacist. The mo-fo got his wish and is celebrating with his virgins. You should be happy for him, his family is happy.They were the first on the block to have a martyr. They will be dining out for free for quite a while. He has been goin at er now for six days. I wonder how many virgins are left? I wonder how many he satisfied? Not that satisfying women has any priority or importance in the Moslem world. Getting yourself killed for afterlife sexual gratification—HOW SICK IS THAT?

  • BJW

    Repeating this trite phrase over and over will wear it out that much sooner. It’s like saying night comes after day or ‘Ice is cold and heat is warm.’

    Please use it a hundred more times quickly. It’s such a good argument to make some unfathomable connection to the topic.

  • luschnig

    When I want to explain America to my neighbors I use people like you. I tell them that your type are the best, most intelligent, most civilized examples of the people living in America. They all laugh and tell me Americans can't be that bad. But remember, Dude, you are the best America has to offer . . . . the rest are nowhere near as good as you.

  • BJW

    Or not voting for a decrepit sack of lying crud like McCain or a whack job like Palin.

    As disappointed as I am with Obama and company, given the choices……….nope. Our system of electing presidents has been delegitimized and most other offices as well. Votes don’t count. It’s money, money, money and the right connections.

  • Sailor

    YUMMY! Who says they need force! Bad for the brain I’m not so sure,but it’s GREAT for the complexion.

  • get real

    according to helen thomas, the jews leave israel and go back to poland.

    the middle east now becomes a peaceful land full of love and peace?

    get real.

  • thedude

    ok so answer the question?

    where is the outrage when a muslim woman straps a bomb to her body and blows up a fruit market in iraq killing 120 fellow muslims?

    where are the protests and outrage? why only outrage towards israel?

    the citizens of gaza strip have self rule under hamas. remember israel gave up rule of gaza strip and west bank. so what does hams do? lob 7000 rockets into israel. george bush would have sent in the marines.

  • fu

    maybe a terrorist blows up your family and you just say oh well

  • Sailor

    AS my gay buddy Vince would say “the only thing I like better then sucking cocks is beating up Marines” or bible thumpers!

  • Sailor

    Call me crazy, but after reading a lot of different sites,it kinda seems like President Johnson ordered the Israeli attack. I’m glad you said it first.

  • overdoneputaforkinit

    Cynthia McKinney said that Congress was bought and paid for by AIPAC, and this is certainly proof of that. If Israel demanded that any and all opinions by US citizens against Israeli policy be censored in the US, it would surprise me if some members of Congress did not agree.

  • Anonymous

    Sailor makes an accurate statement. You mock him because you didn’t know it was true?

  • Sailor

    They get delivered. Who do you think builds builds all the Israeli U-BOATS?The last word of the previous sentence is a clue.So why would Israel pick a fight with them?The Holocaust may just be a brand name for you, easily dismissed. It is a living memory for Jews. Go tell an Armenian to just get over it and embrace the murderous Turk.It will give you time to think of how the Jews feel when you are picking your teeth off of the floor. As far as bullies go you should know, you and your ilk are constantly picking on Israel while ignoring the real evil in the world and inside your own heart!

  • airjackie

    Many US Law Makers work for Israel and have done so for a long time. Israel has a hold on the US Govenment and had plans with McCain/Palin in the White House. Yes the US was about to bomb Iran and Russia for Israel. But Obama won and the plan is on hold until a Republican President is elected. Right now US Law Makers are pushing for more money for Israel and for more of Palestine land. If pushed by Obama policy for peace, Natanyahu will use his Nukes/Cluster Bombs and wipe Palestine people off the face of the earth. Now Natanyahu will say he used the Bush/Cheney Policy as no one said a thing about the US illegally invading Iraq and killing millions of innocent people.

  • BJW

    Asking where’s the outrage abut some other event is one of the standard responses on the Ministry’s message list. Once again, you show lack of practice in filling in the blanks since we have been conditioned not to care when Arabs blow up Arabs. It’s like black on black crime in the ‘hoods. As long as it stays in the ‘hoods, it doesn’t even make the papers anymore.

    I remember when Israel gave up rule of the Gaza Strip and I also remember the wrecked everything before they left to make sure it could not be used just as the cut off water and electricity and fuel lines and everything that makes daily life and work possible. The point of giving up temporary rule in order to make ethnic cleansing easier and more sanitary.

    If I were a Gazan, I would not use rockets to lob into Israel. I would use something much more effective and efficient. If I were in charge, they would be back in their homes already and the IDF would all be busboys and dishwashers in Arab restaurants. The Likudniks would all be in jail for crimes against humanity along with the Cheneys and Bushies.

  • LumberJock

    You, sir, have conveniently neglected to account for the edict of the Grand Mufti who issued a ‘fatwa’ to leave Israel; he declared that any follower of Islam who stayed would be laying with infidels and all who lay with infidels of course don’t enjoy 72 perpetual virgins.

    Your revisionist history reminds me of Reagan, Bush [jr.] and Nixon; just because you think you won, you can re-write history. Nope! As O’Bama put it: You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own set of facts.

    The Pals wandered around kicking camel & goat feces out of their way as they put up their tents; beat their wives, etc. – all in the name of cultural heritage. Just like our US heritage foundations: shit-kicking, wife-beating, knuckle-dragging, nose-picking and earwax eating cretins. The Jews moved in; plowed the manure into the ground; irrigated, and made the dessert yield fruits & vegies. This is not justification to abrogated rights; as it happens, the Jews have a superior claim to the land as they made it produce. Pals can kick shit around any dessert; they are itenerant, not shiftless.

    Call when you’ve finished a relevant history class.

  • luschnig

    Dude, I don't know what you're protesting about? I admit that you are the best American out there. You brilliantly pose questions that lesser men cannot honestly answer. You demonstrate a moral rectitude (see how that rhymes with your name) that far outshines the moral laziness of the common American. I freely admit that the vast majority of your unfortunately fellow citizens are lesser beings compared to you. The rest of the world stands gape mouthed in your presence because you inspire awe and shock.

  • melvin polatnick

    International hustlers, con artists, drug addicts,call girls, and the bottom feeders of the world have found a new scam, its posing as humanitarians or peace activists. Wealthy Arabs, malcontents, left wingers, combined with an assortment of Jew haters are kicking in with large donations. The victims are told they will use the money to buy boats to break the Israeli blockade of Gaza, but the boats never arrive and the money is used for expensive vacations in Dubai or Hong Kong. The best way to avoid getting ripped off is never to trust humanitarians or peace activists.

  • LumberJock

    Atta can’t pass the mental test to be an Israeli agent.

    Islamist terrorists aren’t exactly noted for their intellect — or, their honesty.

  • Anonymous

    Remember Idi Amin? We did not condemn him, and took no action against him.
    We ourselves killed thousands in an unfounded attack on Iraq. The Chinese, who have a long history of brutalizing their own people, crushing neighboring countries like Tibet where they killed many, still enjoy trading status with us. Do we remember Pol Pot of Cambodia? We ignored him, letting him go on killing millions in ehtnic cleansing, and we objected when the Vietnamese invaded and stopped him, as if we had some interest in his being allowed to continue. Do we remember the old Soviet Union, occupying several of its neighbors, sending great numbers to brutal labor camps for thinking. Did we ever break off relations with them, or blockade them? Now we are so righteous about the virtually unarmed Hamas? We are cooperating in an attempt to knock over a democracy and drive the people into the sea. I entertained great hope at the election of Obama, voting for him in part on the strength of his statement that he would negotiate with anybody. The only way to peace is to talk. So Hamas was elected on a platform of war on Isreal. Talk with them. At some point in exchange for something, a solution can be found. Today we have Isreal holding all the weapons, with no interest in giving anything to the Palestinians. You can see how different it is on the West Bank, where the government grovels. Their land is taken for settlements, their water is cut off so the settlers can have it. Gaza is home to people who would rather die on their feet than live on their knees.

  • BJW

    Well, I remember reading about Orthodox areas of Israel not allowing boys and girls sit next to each other on the bus and not allowing bike paths through their ‘hoods of not allowing any Sabbath activities of any kind. They responded quite violently in their protests when other Israelis would not go along with their fundamentalist restrictions and prohibitions.

    As for the claim that all Israel wants is just to be left alone, I would have to say that want to be left alone as an ethnically cleansed territory without anyone but Orthodox Jews dressing like 17th Century German and Russian yokels with rebbes calling the shots on every word and deed with the children being instructed on the best methods of getting around the basic commandments of God as written.

    These groups who want to run Israel in ‘peace’ make Islamic fundamentalists and Christian fundamentalists seem like hippies and bohemians.

  • Sailor

    A tacit admission that Moslems cannot be trusted with nuclear bombs. Whereas Israel even if they had the bomb would not use it except against an existential threat. Moslems would use it against anyone who drew a cartoon about the Pedophile Prophet or spoke the truth that Allah is a ripoff of the Jewish god.Nothing more nothing less.I would be beheaded in most Islamic countries for what I have just posted.

  • luschnig

    You are the best, brightest, most moral, most perceptive, strongest American there is in a country of 330m. KKK, your screen name inspires admiration and awe. You are truly the shining white knight that will save America and make it a by word for all that's good and noble in the world. I advice all American readers of RawStory to pay attention to KKK because he is better than the all the rest of you put together.

  • luschnig

    You are the best, brightest, most moral, most perceptive, strongest American there is in a country of 330m. KKK, your screen name inspires admiration and awe. You are truly the shining white knight that will save America and make it a by word for all that's good and noble in the world. I advice all American readers of RawStory to pay attention to KKK because he is better than the all the rest of you put together.

  • BJW

    Damn, that’s scarier than the crazies in Pakistan with the bomb. Now what was it they did to that guy who spilled the beans about the Israeli nuke program? Is he still in jail for writing about it? Oh, well, so much for the only democracy in the Middle East.

    BTW, I don’t believe those numbers anyway. They have polls with every possible set of numbers ready to publish to fit the occasion just like they do here. After all, our propaganda machines are modeled on theirs. It’s their number one export…….propaganda, that is.

  • BJW

    Tom Lantos was number one, but God in his Mercy, called him home for a rest. But when you have stooges like Biden and the Cheney’s, his work representing the interests of Israel will go on as usual…….with votes like 414-4 approving more military aid to a country that uses it against us and our citizens trying to aid an oppressed group of refugees in an open air prison. Remember, Gaza has been a refugee camp since 1948 with the people begging to go home. Now, they can’t leave at all or get visas to visit abroad. It’s a prison lockdown situation on bread and water rations sleeping in flimsy tents.

  • Sailor

    Fuckin-EH on those times superstition gets the best of me I reach back into my heritage raise my sword arm and scream OOOOOOOOODIN. YAHWEH JESUS GOD ALLAH can all go fuck themselves and the horses they rode in on. Now would a true believer risk eternal damnation, beheading or the wrath of she who must be obeyed,Snobsandbitches by posting this? p.s can you tell me where I apply for my cheque everyone keeps talking about?

  • davidrvelasquez

    Great… another corrupt dipshit politician sucking up to AIPAC.

  • ma77hew

    This just shows in the light of day how “our” government will obey their monied masters and not look after their own nation, it's citizens or it's constitution.

  • BJW

    The definition of a terrorist is anyone who gets in the way of Israel taking all the land that had been mentioned in the Old Testament no matter that many of the present day Israelis had no ancestral link whatsoever to the territory being claimed. Using the same claims, the entire population of the globe would have to be shifted around. Yet they deny the right of return to the people they displaced and call them terrorists if they resist. Who would not react the same if treated as the Palestinians have been treated? In that case, we are all terrorists.

    The idiot Congressman does not know the difference between attempts to relieve suffering from collective punishment and aiding AQ. It's about time that the Israeli Defense Force were put on the list of terrorist organizations or the word and the list becomes a meaningless joke.

  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous

    Sorry. I was concentrating on the Sailor guy and wishing to get a resolution of his broken concept. I guess I was distracted from taking on a new slant.

  • Zohari ibn Nur

    Good idea!
    Hamas is a placeholder for Al Qaeda, sworn mortal enemies of America. The law was prescient and enforcing it will enhance American security. Law enforcement will be well advised to investigate some of the more extreme posters on this blog.

  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous

    I’m sure you are a solid supporter of democracies — unless they vote in the wrong people.

    As Kissinger said of Allende, “I don’t see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist because of the irresponsibility of its own people.”
    — June 27, 1970

    On the following September 11th, we showed how much we love democracy.

    Anybody who defies the corporations’ plans will suffer the consequences, not of elections but of tyranny.

  • hjh

    get a life you blog reading, arab loving, usa hating terrorist loving war monger.

  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous

    The similarity is the planted evidence. Kind of like the passport of Satam Al Suqami that was found a few blocks from the WTC unscathed by a blast that, according to the FBI, destroyed the black boxes, which are built to be indestructible.

    The authorities depend on a sold core of faithful who believe in such miracles.

  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous

    (redirected)

  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous
  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous

    I admit supernatural religions are pretty silly

  • cessnadriver

    Find them and whack their pee-pees!

  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous

    You write very well, and you see very clearly. But you spell Israel wrong. The name comes from the two words (sar) which biblically means “a prince”, nowadays a government minister, and (el), which means “a god”. So “isra” means “he behaved as a prince”, ie., Jacob, in his wrestling with the angel, or in a sense “he prevailed in a contest with God”, at which point the angel had to use magic to extricate himself. His name was changed after the struggle to Isra-el

  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous

    That was the fear in Algeria when the FIS was poised to win. It is an inherent weakness in the concept of “democracy” that it can in theory be used to destroy itself.

    But the argument can be slippery. There were certainly plenty of Englishmen over the last nine centuries who condescendingly deemed the Irish incapable of self-government when what they really meant was, “why get off their backs when they make such great pack mules?”

  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous

    Resorting to this low level of slander is a patent admission that you have no effective response. It’s a dead giveaway.And it accomplishes absolutely nothing other than degrade the person that types it.

    It doesn’t mean a proper retort doesn’t exist. It just means you haven’t done the mental work to either come up with it or grudgingly agree.

  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous

    Again, slander takes the place of reasoning. No evidence is brought forth, only venom and calumny.

    That doesn’t mean evidence does or doesn’t exist. But thinking it through is just too difficult — too much work.

  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous

    “statute of limitations”

  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous

    Excellent point. I had forgotten that. Here is the original text of the resolution: 3379 (XXX). Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination.

    Until the philosophy which hold one race superior
    And another
    Inferior
    Is finally
    And permanently
    Discredited
    And abandoned -
    Everywhere is war -
    Me say war.

  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous

    Imagine for me if you will, another occupant — any you choose — what are the odds they would succeed where he fails?

    Unless, that is, a sizeable groundswell of public outrage were to rise up under and carry them like a leaf on a flood?

  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous

    If it isn’t supported by the corporations then it is their enemy, ie., a commie! And don’t forget a terst.

  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous

    The Sharon quote is apocryphal, I’m pretty sure.

  • Lyman

    Arbeit Macht Frei !!!!

  • BJw

    Exactly, they go to Egypt to carouse and gamble at casinos. The casinos are just as happy to take their shekels as the Indian casinos are to take buffalo nickles. They can use the money to buy their land back.

  • BJW

    Just about as safe and secure as they would be walking down any street dressed that way in American red states and even many blue ones. In fact, I do not know any man anywhere who would want his wife and daughters to do such a stupid thing anywhere unless he was their pimp and they were his whores.

    Is that the best you can come up with? Damn the Ministry is hiring real amateurs these days. All the pro's must be taking a break from the non-stop damage control and fall out from these murders and lame excuses for the attack on humanitarian missions and peaceful protesters. The quality of the response is really fallen off badly in the last week. They have had to empty the Yeshivas to relieve the usual sock puppets who showed a little more savvy and sophistication. Or did they get fed up and quit in disgust at what they were having to defend.

  • BE

    The worthless APAIC paid for US politicians will never request that Israel be tried for piracy. They will defend Israel regardless of what crimes were committed and international law broken. This is no different than the spineless and complicit Democrats refusing to go after Bush/ Cheney et al for war crimes. There is no justice, and there is no democracy under our 2 tier legal system. Our Democracy is dead, and unless you are willing to turn off Idol and march in the millions in DC, nothing will change.

  • Third_stone

    I am ashamed of this democrat and fellow American suggesting prosecution. While he may have a technicality on which to prosecute, nothing was actually delivered to Hamas, the freely elected government of the Gaza portion of occupied Palestine.
    Until we can prosecute our torturers, election cheaters, CIA agent betrayers, and war criminals, we have no standing to prosecute anybody. I say US law is empty, because it is selectively enforced. Where is the prosecution of Cheney and Bush Sr. for selling out the nation in the Iran hostage treachery? Let us get our priorities straight and prosecute first things first.

  • Zohari ibn Nur

    Lyman wenn du musst etwas auf Deutsch benutzen sollst immer ein bisschen mehr intelligent sein. Immer ganz schwer fuer dich Weltgeschichte zu verstehen.

    In other words, Lyman, we're sending you back to the minors in hope that you'll learn a little history.

  • Sailor

    Hey DUDERINO or YOUR DUDENESS. AS the father of two girls it terrifies me to think of an Islamic takeover by stealth. You are absolutely correct about these hypocrites my only exception is calling these mo-fo dogs. I have two female dogs and these mo-fo's are LOWER THAN DOGS!

  • Sailor

    You are delusional.

  • Guest

    “LOWER THAN DOGS!”. wow, interchange the Islamic hypocrites with “Judaic hypocrites” and you have an “antisemitic Jew hater” hysteria….Hahaha, You are lucky you have the right to be a rabid antisemitic when it relates to Arabs.Keep on lowering yourself sister, I am not the one who has to call you mom….

  • Guest

    Hahaha, I gave you a point, because what you did is called :a remarkable mouth fuck. Bravo.

  • Guest

    “you are a fking loser and terrorist loving pos”.

    I’m glad to see you’re not letting your imbecility get in the way of your ignorance.I don’t know what makes you so dumb but it really works.

  • Guest

    Indeed, They must be racking the bottom of the gene pool to get their Propaganda prostitutes these days….Sometime I even feel sorry for them,Hahaha, They give fungus a real bad name.

  • Mac

    Actually Sailor, your racist, psychotic ravings only serve to raise the question whether you are already undergoing psychiatric treatment, or if everyone who has contact with you in “real life” believe it is just a matter of time before you’ll be forced to by a court.

  • Guest

    Ouch, You are good!. I am Queer but if I were hetero i would have a baby with you. Witty is fucking sexy….Lol

  • Guest

    Excuse me sister, Israel cannot be trusted with anything, they sold nuclear technology and were willing to sell the “bomb: itself to the Apartheid regime of South Africa…..A case of rotten apple never falling far from the tree. Hahaha, the level of absolute scumbagery of the Israeli leadership is pornographic,Satan must love the Judeo-Christian values system.

  • thomas Jefferson

    we now officially live in bizarro world.

  • Lyman

    Du bist ein Asel und dumkoff schweinhund.

  • cynthiza

    WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET IT? IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO WE ARE, WHERE WE CAME FROM, OR WHAT OUR PARTICULAR GOD IS? WE ARE ALL ONE. GEEZ, SUCH ANGUISH FOR WHAT? GET OVER IT1

  • Ralph

    Rep. Brad Sherman, must be a Jew, huh? Supports Israel and want's US citizens who were involved in the flotilla jailed. Maybe this motherfucker should be voted out of office. Sounds like a total asshole to me. Or, he's just jumping on the band wagon like so many asshole Democrats did when it came to signing the Patriot Act without reading it as well as other various laws.

  • elyhim

    America has never been great just very rich. How long are we going to see lies and manipulation applied to some and not believe it’s happening to us all.

  • fasteddie9318

    How about if we prosecute Brad Sherman instead? Aiding and abetting a foreign government against US citizens must, for a Congressman, pass some kind of threshold for treason, no?

  • Lyman

    Here's some history for you Zohar…..
    A quick study in ethnic cleansing:
    http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/Israel_ste…
    One short glance glance at the map and you get the picture.

  • SnobsandBitches

    Because Starbucks, McDonalds & Disneyland represent the paragon of socio-cultural accomplishment?.Beauty is in the eye of the beholder,just like scat sex…

  • Drmarylawson

    Propaganda works, Goebels knew……………Wayne Madsen has or will soon have a list up on his site that will list all DC whores.

  • http://a2e.de/phm Hartmut Pilch

    This action was and is not about bringing humanitarian aid to Gaza but about defying Israel's sovereignty over the territory and creating a clash. I don't know if perhaps in the islamic world people are so brainwashed that they don't see this, but as an outsider I see this attempt at generating pictures of corpses to make Israel look bad as an insult on my status as a normal intelligent human being. I won't believe a word of what people who engage in this kind of disingenuous campaigning say. They are less credible than the Mossad.

  • harry canary

    soooo…Apparently you are one the group of israeli intelligence officers paid to monitor blogs and disrupt comments critical of israel.

  • harry canary

    soooo…you are another the group of israeli intelligence officers paid to monitor blogs and disrupt comments critical of israel.

  • harry canary

    soooo…you are another the group of israeli intelligence officers paid to monitor blogs and disrupt comments critical of israel.

  • Guest

    Don’t worry, Like I said, I am a big girl & I don’t sweat easily

  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous

    sycophant literally means “showing the fig”, ie., what the Italians call mano fica (“fig hand” — fist with thumb between first and second finger, suggesting “penetration”, preferably shaking, with the back of the hand prominent and the thumb pointing upward, and with the upper teeth bared and resting on the lower lip, as you see mine now (if you are clairvoyant).In the New Testament sykophanein (sorry the Unicode characters won’t display on this new system) meant “to falsely accuse” as you do me (as, Luke 3:14 sykophanesete, and Luke 19:8, esykophantesa. This latter example is curious because of the play on words with the “sycomore” tree which the main character climbs up. The entire story is about the falseness and slanderousness, not of this tax gatherer, but of the Pharisees that despised him. A very subtle and incisive critique of them). Only later did the connotation of obsequiousness come into the word.As to why you think it’s obsequious of me to be glad I buy so few items on the list, I’m afraid that’s another blind spot of mine. Again, sorry to be so inept a mind reader.

  • http://proudprimate.com Anonymous

    All I can think of is William Wallace in the movie Brave Heart crying out “FREEEDOOOM” (at the cost of being disemboweled)

  • Anonymous

    racist asshole.

  • Anonymous

    racist asshole.

  • mschlee

    “We, the Jewish people, control America and the Americans know it.”

    Ariel Sharon

    FREE AMERICA

    DIRECT DEMOCRACY

  • Dolmance

    If the Israelis came on board that ship intending violence, then those activists would hardly have been able to take Israeli prisoners, which is what this accuser maintains in the above article.

    This was a ploy by Turkey's ever more assertive Islamists to drive that country away from it's alliance with Israel. And while I am an opponent of much that Israel does, I understand perfectly why the blockade against Gaza is in place. Hamas lobs missiles across their border whenever they are in possession of them. People who lob missiles over their borders should know that things can go terribly wrong. That sort of behavior can get you invaded.

  • jj

    Brad Sherman (D-CA) be prepared to look for work soon. As more of these zionist controlled agents expose themselves for what they are. The American people will begin to understand that these morons hold Israel 1st not the United States of America. We need represantives in our govenment that hold America 1st and foremost not Israel

  • joe mama

    i don’t think he did it for the virgins, come one, not all muslims are idiots

  • joe mama

    and any disagreement with the policies of israel labels you an anti-semite, right? It should be pointed out the Israel was originally populated by the breaking of a blockade by zionists who later machine gunned plenty of women and children. ironic, huh, that gaza is like a big warsaw ghetto. This is what frustrates the world community. The last people that should be treating other humans this way is jewish people since they were treated this way by Germans. Of course, the first hijacking, letter bombs, wanton killing were done by the zionists. But, logically, that is all the past. We have to figure out how to make a peaceful life possible now. It would be somewhat useful to acknowledge the hypocrisy of the Jewish state, but half of the israelis really do wish for peace and are against the massive jail-like Gaza. Also, it is clear by the destruction of farms, hospitals and schools, as well as the use of chemical weapons on civilians (and children) that Israel does not want the inhabitants of Gaza to have any kind of decent human life. Gazans have rationed water, while settlers have swimming pools. The real solution is to build large apartment complexes for the moderate jews and palastinians to share. The wives and mothers won’t let their nutty husbands commit violence if they have a nice home, a school, shops, a library, movie theatre, soccer field…. Not all the palestinans or jews are rabid haters. As a human who has studied history, it is disappointing and offensive that the Israeli gov.t is treating other humans very similarly to the way jews were treated in the ghettos. Sad really.

  • Oh Dear

    This is the 21st century. If such a list was found/existed it would published a 10,000 times on the internet. Who is the source for this, Keith Olbermann?

  • Jordan Baldi

    How about Saudi Arabia? They terrorize their own people; plus they fostered the 9/11 hijackers. I guess since Hamas isn't satisfying our oil addiction, then we will pick and choose how to interpret the laws and to whom they apply.

    Why do people call themselves Dems but act like Confederates?

  • Jay G

    Virgins are in short supply since Arabic women have begun to speak out against the inequity of purity standards allowed for their ‘ men rewards ‘ counterparts available at the Heavenly Redemption Center . They’ve been gettin alot of returns these days so I think the allowance is down to about 50 now or ‘ once around the block ‘ may also be substituted 2 fer 1 , to make up for the difference . Satisfaction always guaranteed . God

  • Jay G

    US Israel(military industrial political complex) v the world = untold misery and suffering.

    Whenever humans finally realize that oilogarchy know no limits , then perhaps it will dawn on people that the only answer for peace is clean renewable energy . The unilateral global intelligentsia network is the police dept for,' the invisible gov t ' , who make the rules, and own the 'show' . They created it violence and bloodshed is the ante up to play , like a game of geo-political sado masochism . Of course only those in denial and or collusion will argue that this act was anything other than war crime and piracy on the high seas. Undoubtedly Mossad monitored the entire cargo loading operation . One intent here was to provoke an already kowtowed Turkey into reactionary /retaliation , or continue to submit and welcome their being attacked by drones of which
    I expect one to be launched my way here in Texas any day now just for general purposes , but due to their inaccurate targeting success it will probably hit my next door neighbors house so I apologize to them in advance .

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