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US defense contractors pay insurgents millions, report says
By John Byrne
Thursday, November 12th, 2009 — 12:02 pm
http://rawstory.com/2009/2009/11/defense-contra…
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“In this grotesque carnival, the US military's contractors are forced to pay suspected insurgents to protect American supply routes,” Roston writes. “It is an accepted fact of the military logistics operation in Afghanistan that the US government funds the very forces American troops are fighting. And it is a deadly irony, because these funds add up to a huge amount of money for the Taliban.
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this isn't new … it's just that no one is listening

If you were a representative of congress, who believes that 9/11 was orchestrated by Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden, surely something like this would make you ponder how we define “Turn the other cheek.” If you were such a representative, you would observe that America was attacked by a foreign entity, and the reaction of America to that attack has essentially been to do EXACTLY what Al Qaeda and bin Laden wanted. Now America's generosity has reached its acme, given that Al Qaeda are now being paid for their lethal services to America. No wonder there are so many bible bashers in the States, it really is the land where the letter of the bible is pursued like a fly to a pile of dung.

Get out.

It also made the cover of The Nation 2 or 3 weeks ago.

Wow, downright scary when you think about it.

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Don't you people understand? We're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here because real estate is cheaper over there, at least for a while. As soon as our Gulf Coast is thoroughly decimated and worth less than over there, we'll be fighting them over HERE…

“Tell your guys: Shoot up in the air. And whatever you do, don't shoot the pipeline! Now make it look good.”

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George Bernard Shaw had ir all right in Major Barbara.

Dennis Kucinich is a sell out. He is FAKE. He sold us out for Gawd knows what in his private airplane ride with obama. Please stop prinitng stories about Kucincih, he is not worthy.

The USA is a sham.

Acknowledge that and your life will be SO much easier.

The USA is a sham.

Acknowledge that and your life will be SO much easier.

This gives new meaning to the phrase “special forces.”

“In the coming weeks, Congress is expected to be asked to give another $33 billion for war efforts.”

This is the purpose of war. And the best way to make sure it continues is to arm both sides.

You are a fool! (Or an anti-Kucinich, anti-progressive troll.) GROW UP!!!

did Kucinich take the 30 pieces or not? Media reported he did. Matter of fact this website is one of them. All you got is name calling. NO FACTS.

Wrong! He opposed the HC bill because it had mandates. I agreed 100% it was wrong. He later found out what I did, which made me actually see it as 'better than nothing' or what had better be a first step. The mandates are not enforcable. If you don't buy HC after 2014 and get fined, and don't pay the fine, the IRS or Government cannot charge interest, or forcibly collect it, or put it on your credit record or anything. You'll just have a 'fine' sitting out there which they can't enforce. IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BILL. It's also effective in that it will cause employers to change full time benefitted workers to contractors, so they won't have to conform with requirements to offer insurance.

The net result will be public outcry. The reason Single Payer wasn't in it was not enough support. Once enough who were against Single Payer are suddenly without affordable coverage, they'll demand it. It's a shame that's how we are going to have to get there in a largely corporate-controlled America. So many so self-centered that nothing is a problem, even if it's a problem for tens of millions, until it affects them or someone very close to them.This is nothing new in the land of the self-centered disguised as 'free' (what a great excuse, freedom from responsibility, they try to paint that on the 'welfare folks' but it's the 'don't touch mine' people who are fine if a huge chunk of America suffers so they can keep a little more of what they have).

The war is idiotic and the fact that we have 100,000 troops and 100,000 contractors attempting to get a few hundred members of Al Qaeda is quite frankly, embarrassing.

Anyone who claims that this war is needed, the longest war in U.S. history against a rag tag band of backward morons is nothing short of a complete fucking idiot, like every last American soldier fighting these phony wars (fucking dolts). Phony people, phony valor, phony everything – It's all to maintain the wartime economy and antagonize Russia and China (our enemies). I wonder where the roots of Russia's heroin epedemic are? Lol.

A local Russian radio station in my area broadcasts employment commercials for the CIA occasionally. They start out the same way every time, “Do you want to serve your new country? Do you speak Russian, Chinese or Farsi?…”

The Taliban is not a centralized government with a structured military-command hierarchy. It's a bunch of conservative assholes from Pakistan and Afghanistan who don't want intelligent people telling them what to do.

The Taliban is basically the Teabaggers of the Muslim world.

I say we send Rand Paul or Sarah Palin over there to negotiate an alliance. Rand has clearly demonstrated sympathy for their social plight (i.e. civil rights) and Sarah can handle the finances (i.e. Unocal).

Teabaggers, stand with your Taliban brethren. This is your moment to shine. Go.

Go to Afghanistan.

You have NO IDEA what happened on that plane…NONE! As it turned out, his wasn't the deciding vote by a long way anyhow! That man fights for “We the People” on a regular basis where no others do.

He was beat up before and after that plane trip. Didn't you see the fact he was worn to a frazzle over that.

How DARE you make such a judgment on the most PROGRESSIVE elected official in government. Your small-minded assault is boorish and just plain idiotic, ignorant, BULL SHIT!!!

Nothing new,but this news story describes treason by definition. The people and corporate “persons” involved in this scam should be delt with accordingly.

And where are all the righties that claim they love the Constitution on this one?

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Same place they were during Bush,regurgitating what ever Beck and Rush tell them to say.
Besides,they have not read the Constitution to begin with….

On that Airplane ride, Obama told Kucinich that, there is no way we are going to get the “Public Option”, and to vote for the current Health Reform Bill, because its all were gonna get for now.
Dennis realized that Obama was right, and agreed to co-operate.
It was a Sad Day, but we got to keep the Public Option Dream Alive!!!

We will never get out of Afghanistan because it is necessary to the PTB to drain us of morale of the military and our financial resources. Kucinich and Ron Paul are the very few in Congress with the guts to stop this travesty.

The Taliban are teabaggers? You are hopelessly clueless and just repeat everything MSNBC tells you. And “concervatives” are not the same as “neocons”. I'm an anti-war conservative. And I don't watch Fox. You're part of the problem with you're stereotypes. It's NOT LEFT VS RIGHT, IT'S THE SHADOW ELITE VS EVERYONE ELSE.

I didn't even mention Neocons. I said the Taliban is basically the Teabagger movement of the Muslim world.

Free your mind. It's okay to think for yourself.

As for the word CONSERVATIVE, just get yourself a dictionary.

OPERATION NORTHWOODS. Google it.

Saddam Hussein Obama Bin Laden Soetoro has been a member of Al Qaeda in Pakistan with Usama Bin Laden since 1980, and never attended Columbia University.

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I wonder where the one million battle rifles we sent to the Iraqi army over the last seven years all are?

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Yes, damn him for being consistently right about everything! It's just not fair!

Get your egotistic incompetent ass in sync with the wishes of the country and get us OUT of there Obama!!

Five more brave Americans yesterday and for what? To get your jollies tracking down 50-100 Taliban?

You war spending freak.

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shut down the schools,cut all sports and band,cut parts of our fire fighting ability,cut highway patrol,cut game wardens,cut park maintenance,shut down parks,shut down librarys,cut social security.cut pre school funding,cut senior anti abuse investigators,cut childrens abuse investigators,cut street lighting,cut road maintenance,cut,cut,cut,cut,cut….. now i feel a lot better. stop the damn war

WAR IS RACKET, ALWAYS HAS BEEN, ALWAYS WILL BE! TO BAD WE CANT CHANGE THE MINDS OF WAR HAPPY CHRISTIANS! afghanistan:the graveyard of empires, it brought and end to the soviet union as sure as it will bring an end to this once great country. thanks neocon traitors!
war whores to the end! anything, absolutly anything for a buck!

You have got to be kidding. It is CONSISTENT to be conservative and anti-war. Why don't YOU look up the word Neocon. You are a brainwashed fool. Turn your TV off why don't you.

I relied to the wrong comment. My mistake. I was replying to MANDIKA

This time Milo had gone too far. Bombing his own men and planes was more than even the most phlegmatic observer could stomach, and it looked like the end for him. … Milo was all washed up until he opened his books to the public and disclosed the tremendous profit he had made.

Every war is a desaster when the human values and arguments fail then the war is consideredto be an option but in the case of Irak and Afghanistan was full of lies which give no good results. As the Muslims in seventieth century made an agreement with Mekkan,s by Prophet Mohammad the Muslims were very sad and desparade then came reveation from God and said is biggest victory. In the coming yeas it proved through peace the whole Arabs embraced Islam.
I have yesterday also written that Kucinich is right and today he is also right to kill and to be killed by tax payers money but it will not stop as Obama has no powers to do so till the America is destroyed by American,s and in religious terms every Muslim in the world prays to God to destroy America and Allah don,t cruelty, unjustice, innocent to kill and arrogance. All the properties are with American,s and is for me clear if all the law makers take money from lobbies they will have to work for them.

People has become enemy of other people and that is why they do not helping each other. Some cruel people are ther for ruining the world and that is why the whole world is spoiling.

How can a war be won when there is not a national government to surrender? Afghanistan remains tribal, but not in the usual manner one thinks of as tribal. The tribe may or may not listen to the tribal leader. Most tribal conflict arises through disagreements between relatives, (first cousins.) There is no tribal council that represents all tribes. Each tribe has control over a particular area. The tribes do not fight for concepts such as freedom, democracy, and rights. The tribes do not listen to Kabul, because Kabul is not relevant to them. The central government in Kabul is corrupt; therefore, it is impossible for the U.S. to win trust through the central government. Of course, there is the nagging question: If victory is possible in Afghanistan what will have been won? A population with a life expectancy of 45 years, a very low literacy rate, a harsh environment that provides only a subsistance existence, and people whose hearts and minds cannot be won, because most of them do not want anyone, including their own people, to win their heart and mind. A good portion of Afghanistan exists in the stone age. A criminal consciousness exists among a large portion of the population. They do not like the U.S., because they do not like anyone.

The USG using American taxpayers monies to fund both sides in a war is not new, it was also the case in Vietnam. An example by brother told me while he was stationed at Pleiku in the central highlands which was under continuous threat by the Vietnamese. The Americans could tell in advance when they were going to be attacked. Along with American aircraft there was also a wing of the so called “south” Vietnamese stationed there. The Vietnamese planes would leave the base just prior to the base being attacked, meaning that our Vietnamese”allies” knew in advance when the attack was coming. USG military authorities were not informed. I use the “south” term although there was never a “south” Vietnam, itwas a concoction of the Pentagon/USG and only existed in their minds, not is reality. Just as in WW1, the same corporations funding both sides in a war is a windfall for profits to he CORPORATE WELFARE KINGS. It's also happening with Mexico now with the U.S. arm manufacturers. Their weapons are smuggled into Mexico from the USA, and the USG buys the weapons for the Mexican government to protect themselves from those that uses the weapons smuggled into Mexico. It's in the Constitution, “the right to bare arms” so it must be legal for the WELFARE KINGS to profit by supporting opposing forces in a conflict. Just ask the SCOTUS.

Representative Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), a leading opponent of the war, Damn you tell me all these years, I'd completely wrong? I always thought the pope was the principal opponent of the war, because since 2000, he has been praying for peace, and he has not given up yet!

Kucinich/Grayson 2012!

Kucinich/Grayson 2012!

Kucinich/Grayson 2012!

Private defense contractors like Blackwater are a dangerous concept and the practice should be abolished. Nothing says corruption like 'hired guns.'

Like I said when Bush declared war on terrorism – 'Now they have their never-ending war.' Just watch them ratchet up the MIC.

Reinstate the draft and see how long this $hit goes on. Nobody exempt including politicians.

If it is not mindless stupidity on the Boob tube, the American people could care less. They still think that we are over there for Freedoms, while our own Government is trying it's best to take them away. Research you easily led Sheep! And as for Kucinich he is a piece of crap as well. Flip Flopper! Wake up America, I know sports are fun to watch, but there is coming a time where that will be the last thing on your mind.

Who is the fool? Look in the mirror. Baaaaaaa. Go Graze.

Intelligent remark.

Im shocked, shocked I tell you

Why is the argument on this discussion board about Kucinich. You're failing to ignore the true issue at hand here. 1) That American corporations are funding terrorism and that, 2) the CIA most likely knows or is playing some part in this.

“warning that a pullout could lead to a Taliban takeover and greater threats to American interests.”

The only interests at threat are the lack of heroin that would come to be, and the pipeline the Taliban doesn't want there. There are no other threats to the United States from the Taliban, period.

How is this materially different than us paying the Taliban to NOT attack transports? We give our enemies cash to let us move our equipment… they agree because it allows them to buy more weapons and attack us at OTHER locations.

it will never cease to amaze me just how ignorant the masses are for not seeing the blatant corruption of our own corporate overlords. They are the ones profiting from this, while American Citizens die and are blow to bits for the corporate coffers.

He may be a sell out, but he's doing his job and offering bills and motions to protect the average person. he's also one of the least wealthy people in all of Congress.. how you equate “working for the people” and “not rich” as 'sell out', I'll not know.

The Taliban has no connection to al Qaeda.

And if you believe a bunch of cave dwelling arabs (most of whom came from an ally State, Saudi Arabia, and a few who were alive after they allegedly flew planes into those buildings) found a way to steal 4 giant jet liners and bullseye them into 3 buildings, two of which were only twice the width of the 400 mph missiles, then I think we've found part of the core problem.

No, it's not “Dem versus Rep”, but it IS left versus right. Right-wingers, of all breeds, want the ability to exploit others for their own gain. Period. You want to run companies where you can enslave employees and blame them for not fighting back, never mind the reality of few jobs than people looking for work, _always_, even in “good times”… never mind that to pay bills you _must_ have a job, which means you're subjected to the whims of the employer (under your slave owner utopia).. never mind that you don't care for anyone but yourself.. and never mind that your solutions are _never_ ones that will work for the greater public.

Every single person in your “shadow elite” is a self-serving right-winger, no matter what party they choose to hang out with. Lots of right-winger Dems in office _today_, and it will only get worse as time moves on.

Contrast that with Liberals that want to make sure everyone is fed, the game is not rigged, no one should fear losing a job because the boss is in a foul mood, and that when some manage to actually rig the game and take thousands of times more than they could ever possibly use that we take it back from them.. even if we wait until they die, then reclaim those resources as a public.

The analogy was accurate.. people refusing to consider the larger picture, driven by their own limited view of the world and wanting to impose their flawed thinking on others even if it kills them (the others). I've not met a well informed, intelligent, compassionate tea bagger yet. Period. I HAVE, however, met some Liberals and Progressives that see this pro-corporate government failing to do it's job.. but they don't hang out with the nut-job tea baggers even though they share that common understanding. 1% overlap does not a union make.

No, it's not “Dem versus Rep”, but it IS left versus right. Right-wingers, of all breeds, want the ability to exploit others for their own gain. Period. You want to run companies where you can enslave employees and blame them for not fighting back, never mind the reality of few jobs than people looking for work, _always_, even in “good times”… never mind that to pay bills you _must_ have a job, which means you're subjected to the whims of the employer (under your slave owner utopia).. never mind that you don't care for anyone but yourself.. and never mind that your solutions are _never_ ones that will work for the greater public.

Every single person in your “shadow elite” is a self-serving right-winger, no matter what party they choose to hang out with. Lots of right-winger Dems in office _today_, and it will only get worse as time moves on.

Contrast that with Liberals that want to make sure everyone is fed, the game is not rigged, no one should fear losing a job because the boss is in a foul mood, and that when some manage to actually rig the game and take thousands of times more than they could ever possibly use that we take it back from them.. even if we wait until they die, then reclaim those resources as a public.

The analogy was accurate.. people refusing to consider the larger picture, driven by their own limited view of the world and wanting to impose their flawed thinking on others even if it kills them (the others). I've not met a well informed, intelligent, compassionate tea bagger yet. Period. I HAVE, however, met some Liberals and Progressives that see this pro-corporate government failing to do it's job.. but they don't hang out with the nut-job tea baggers even though they share that common understanding. 1% overlap does not a union make.

and don't forget Iran/Contra as we were helping IRAQ fight Iran, but at the same time illegally selling Iran weapons, then taking those profits and funding an overthrow of a government in South America.

And guess who got pardoned for being involved in that little scam? Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Powell, and a few more. Yup, the guys that brought you the illegal invasion of Iraq were all involved in the illegal Iran/Contra scandal, pardoned, and stayed in government all these years.

I thought Dennis was talking about the CIA.

Give us a real investigation into 911.

What did he sell out? By the way he was threaten on that plane ride.

What did he sell out? By the way he was threaten on that plane ride.

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I`ve been saying this for years and years and most of the deaths in Iraq were cause by private military, hired warlords and at times, special forces. The highest people in the Taliban are run by MI6 and the CIA.

I didn't think fighting for civil rights in any country was a bad thing. apparently taking rights away and killing people is ok. war is wrong. you are wrong. open your eyes to the world our children are dying in, look around and you might find the true terrorists.

I would like to point out, “tea party” not teabaggers, are voicing and fighting for our rights here in our “world”. defaming anyone is stupid without proof or valid points.

agreed.

Sorry, I cant' make sense of your post.

Idiot! Politions/bankers have been funding both sides in war since time immemorial for nothing more than profit and the longer the war goes on the more they like it. I hope that the time will come when ALL nations say 'NO we will no longer fight your wars ' put down their arms and walk away. And that my friend is what really scares these bastards.

[...] The Times spoke to a NATO official in Kabul who "believed millions of [American] dollars were making their way to the Taliban". The fallout? None, really. Crickets from the White House. No declarations from party leaders. The only member of Congress who seemed to notice was Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio). "Our troops are dying in Afghanistan, and now it turns out we may be funding their killers," he fumed. [...]

[...] The Times spoke to a Nato official in Kabul who “believed millions of dollars were making their way to the Taliban”. The fallout? None, really. Crickets from the White House. No declarations from party leaders. The only member of Congress who seemed to notice was Representative Dennis Kucinich of Ohio. “Our troops are dying in Afghanistan, and now it turns out we may be funding their killers,” he fumed. [...]

I wonder how many people have short term memories.. Back when Russia was trying to keep a hold on Afghanistan the US government via the CIA as noted in the house appropriation expense reports paid Osama bin Laden about 19 to 21 million dollars a month to fight the Russians and they also noted that they also provided him with a supply of stinger missiles every month. Go figure..

[...] “The American people are paying to prop up a corrupt government that may be using our money to pay private companies to drum up business by paying the insurgents to attack our troops,” [Kucinich] said…. The Times interviewed a NATO official in Kabul who “believed millions of dollars were making their way to the Taliban.” [read more] [...]

[...] “The American people are paying to prop up a corrupt government that may be using our money to pay private companies to drum up business by paying the insurgents to attack our troops,” [Kucinich] said…. The Times interviewed a NATO official in Kabul who “believed millions of dollars were making their way to the Taliban.” [read more] [...]

Kucinich is no flip-flopper. He has been entirely consistent in his positions. The only hope for real representation for the American people comes from candidates like Dennis Kucunich, Ron Paul, or Ralph Nader who typically poll at about one or two percent. People shun them at the polls, convinced by the boob tube that they are throwing away their votes. So we replaced Bush with Obama and guess what? We have exactly the same policies.

[...] The Times spoke to a Nato official in Kabul who “believed millions of dollars were making their way to the Taliban”. The fallout? None, really. Crickets from the White House. No declarations from party leaders. The only member of Congress who seemed to notice was Representative Dennis Kucinich of Ohio. “Our troops are dying in Afghanistan, and now it turns out we may be funding their killers,” he fumed. [...]

[...] and funding for the Taliban continues to the present day. In June, Rep. Dennis Kucinich accused the Pentagon of funding the Taliban. “Our troops are dying in Afghanistan, and now it [...]

[...] of September 11, 2001.Support and funding for the Taliban continues to the present day. In June, Rep. Dennis Kucinich accused the Pentagon of funding the Taliban. “Our troops are dying in Afghanistan, and now it [...]

[...] Unterstützung und Finanzierung der Taliban hält bis zum heutigen Tage an. Im Juni beschuldigte der Abgeordnete Dennis Kucinich das Pentagon, es würde die Taliban finanzieren. „Unsere Soldaten sterben gerade in Afghanistan [...]

[...] and funding for the Taliban continues to the present day. In June, Rep. Dennis Kucinich accused the Pentagon of funding the Taliban. “Our troops are dying in Afghanistan, and now it [...]

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