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Great so it is another bill that allows the scum in govt to search and steal your info wherever it may be on the web, apparently tapping phones and internet without warrents wasn't enough, now they want to be able to shut down information that they don't think you should have. Fascist scumbags!

And we ALL know why there is no bill that would give the feds “entitlement” to disconnect the TV! So…let there be propaganda! and lies and deceit! Let there be indoctrination of all that is wrong and false! But, to that which holds the TRUTH will be taken away by those who fear it.

So here we have Lieberman taking about shit he knows nothing about…again. How many ISP's are going to get sued because what is paid for is not accessible and if the companies didn't outsource to 3rd world nations for it's programing they wouldn't be able to “hack” the code.

Since I have nothing but suspicions when it comes to politics, this is about blunting a source of real news and legitimate criticism about our publicly elected officials and our lame government.

Those senators have no right to criticize China, Iran or any other nation that prohibits the communication of their people even if that speech is unpleasant or unpopular.

More precisely, Lieberman wants to restrict sites critical of Israel by relabeling them anti-Semitic and terrorist.

Joe is pure evil. He doesn't want you to read or contemplate this:

http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/55270

Before people get all their panties up in a wad, perhaps you should understand that we are the victim of many cyber attacks each day. What this headline doesn't say if that the proposed law only applies to government systems. It is a reasonable law and is needed.

4 million a month is stolen from small businesses since they are easy targets to cyber-crminals, those businesses don't have the expertise to defend themselves. At the top end are groups that can penetrate pretty much any site they want and tend to be specific in their goals. On a more local level, it is far easier to steal information/money while sitting at a computer than it is physically into someone's house.

Before people get all their panties up in a wad, perhaps you should understand that we are the victim of many cyber attacks each day. What this headline doesn't say if that the proposed law only applies to government systems. It is a reasonable law and is needed.

4 million a month is stolen from small businesses since they are easy targets to cyber-crminals, those businesses don't have the expertise to defend themselves. At the top end are groups that can penetrate pretty much any site they want and tend to be specific in their goals. On a more local level, it is far easier to steal information/money while sitting at a computer than it is physically into someone's house.

National center for cyber security? Have your security status reviewed? This is one of the most dangerous Ideas I have seen, and of course it comes from a traitor. I am sure Raw Story would find their security status reviewed immediately, and Wikileaks would be blocked some how. I would rather lose the money to thieves than lose my liberty to traitors.

Just another fascist grab at our privacy and freedoms. I totally agree with with hippie 1387. The scum fascist right wing pigs that are sponsoring this atrocity, figure that Americans are so dumb down, that we can only think in pre orchestrated sound bytes fed to us by the puppet masters THEM! Unfortunately they may be right .. God help us

“let there be propaganda! and lies and deceit! Let there be indoctrination of all that is wrong and false!”

Aye.

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/11/14/tal…

facsist scumbag liberals
i hope you liberals are happy with your democrat congress.

ay is joe liebermann , jay rockefeller dan carper republicans not, open your fucking eyes asshole its your democrats that are pushing this bullshit bill

“4 million a month is stolen”

vs

$100+ million in 102 minutes:

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/08/20/the…

yes… play nice or get off my planet…..

joe liebermann is a zionist douchbag

When OH When are they going to wake up?
How many more signs do they need?
How much evidence do they need?
Its so blatantly obvious what is happening.
We have a coup in Washington and a populace with a Mass mental illness!
STUNNING just STUNNING

Both parties are scum, both parties support the Patriot Act and every erosion of our personal liberties. Both parties asshole. Wake up.
Bush is the enemy, Obama is the enemy. They both count on your stupidity and rigid adherence to their two party system. As long as you chose either of them, you lose.

Shilling for fascism?
Using fear mongering to do it. That is the stuff of Republicans.

Can we agree that fascism is conservative and liberal in construction and that only a verifiable precinct counted independently observed paper balloted open multi-party proportional distributed democracy is the solution to our top down duopoly?

i am not a scumbag republican ok

This bill is likely to pass now because of the crisis in the Gulf of Mexico. Too few of you are aware that:

“On June 14, author Richard C. Hoagland, citing insider BP and US government sources, told the BBC that “a gas bubble approximately 15 – 20 miles across 10+ feet high near (BP's) well head….had formed that that it may cause a massive explosion within weeks or months.”

He said the pressure is enormous, around 100,000 pounds per square inch, so if it happens it will be an underwater volcanic eruption, creating a huge tsunami, traveling at 400 – 600 miles per hour, sinking all vessels in its path, besides causing vast shoreline damage and deaths, driving up oil prices, and spreading hazardous dispersants and gasses well inland.

A mass evacuation will be ordered, affecting about 40 million people, what Jane Burgermeister reported on her birdflu.666 site, saying under “martial law:”

“The US military is preparing to 'evacuate' 40 million people in the (Gulf) region….under the pretext of toxicity, according to sources,” taking them to “notorious FEMA camps, built around the country and resembling concentration camps or prisons….” http://www.opednews.com/articles/2/Oval-Office-…

Under these circumstances, the government will have the need to “disconnect the Internet” to keep the truth as well hidden as they can.

I wonder whether there is any oversight, such as by the FISA court…oh, wait. That doesn't provide oversight anymore because our security took precedence over Article 4 of the Constitution.

Why not just pass a comprehensive law allowing the President to take whatever measures he deems appropriate in any way an by any means as long as he promises its to protect our security? What could be wrong with that?

Fascism, pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/, is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2][3][4] Fascists seek to organize a nation on corporatist perspectives, values, and systems such as the political system and the economy.[5][6] Fascism was originally founded by Italian national syndicalists in World War I who combined left-wing and right-wing political views, but gravitated to the political right in the early 1920s.[7][8] Scholars generally consider fascism to be on the far right of the conventional left-right political spectrum.[9][10][11][12][13][1

sacha, read “Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME)” is not a democrat!

That would be the Conservatives of both parties…we happen to have Liberals AND Conservatives in the Dem party

yea one republican out of four democrats sponsors i hope you happy

Exactly. But they're already doing it. Many Middle Eastern media are already restricted here.

your tin foil hat is on too tight

Versus 1 Trillion dollars when you do your planning well and take over a government in order to do it.

Yeah, somehow, I don't think this is about anything but protecting the corporate fascist state from people communicating with each other when they finally realize they have been bent over a table and “had,” without the benefit of lube or even a reach-around.

The war against truth continues.
This fascist bill should be stopped, they're scared of the web and scared of free speech.

Do your own research and start reading rather than believing what you hear on the news. Even Yahoo News has run an article on the unbelievable content of methane gas in this crude, not to mention extremely high concentrations of benzene and Hydrogen Sulfide.

I thought my previous comment was sufficient. And his subsequent comments to everyone else seemed my only requirement was to state the obvious.

Fascist lite compared to your regressive heroes.
Go suck Glenn Beck's dick, he misses you!

The corporatists are pushing this bill you jerk. Get off your lame horse, chump.

They are now trying to stifle communication and free speech. Folks this bill is pure fascism and must be stopped. Why would a government want to cut communication between people? This is a VERY dangerous and unconstitutional gesture.

OK, you're a drooling scumbag republican.

It seemed all else had failed…

slaves don't have free speech don't you know that

The bill would give a newly-formed National Center for Cybersecurity and Communications the authority to monitor the “security status” of private websites, ISPs and other net-related business within the U.S. as well as critical internet components in other countries. Companies would be required to take part in “information sharing” with the government and certify to the NCCC that they have implemented approved security measures. Furthermore, any company that “relies on” the internet, telephone system or any other part of the U.S. “information infrastructure” would also be “subject to command” by the NCCC under the proposed new law.

ANY COMPANY….right there in front of you….say goodbye to news they don't want you to hear…wikileaks for example would be unable to show what murdering scum our armed forces are made of.

Truth is obvious to everyone paying attention. It just doesn’t matter when everyone paying attention are slaves.

its Joe the most hated dem by dems and the most loved by rethugs…he actually isnt at dem any longer just caucuses…please take him away!

Another way to silence the TRUTH

“And Now Must Be Secured”

Spoken like true Tyrants: Joe, Susan, Tom.

How in hell is it that these three think that they can swear to use the full power of their offices to Protect, Defend and Preserve The Constitution of The United States of America, then turn around and use the full power of their offices in this brazen attempt to essentially gut it?

Also, addressing roafer’s “excellent points” is an exercise in futility since there isn’t a damn thing you me or anyone else can able to do about what this one world government has planned.

The pipe line to the dangerous areas such as power and government facilities should be shut off at those facilities. Not shut down the internet..

It is well known that we are vulnerable to attack militarily and at our power supply places. Those places need to be protected.

The people should never have the internet shutdown for these BS reasons.

Isn't Glenn Beck on the TV?
Get back to your regressive circle jerk and tune into your heroes show you drooling chump.

All right–this guy's gotta go….

OK…. sorry for lowering my standards of communication. It’s happened before and I never feel good afterwards. So, let me apologize to Mr/Ms. Roafer

WJ is right. There is mammoth amounts of Methane in this gas. That's what caused the fire to start with.

Our eastern seaboard also has vast reserves of gas

Yeah….. We wouldn't want the wrong sort of propaganda to get out to the masses. Funny how the stories about our country seem so similar to stories we used to hear about places like China a decade or so back.

A conversation is two-sided. You mentioned the war against truth and how this fascist bill should be stopped and sacha mentioned how it is not possible to do such a thing (stop fascism) because we are all slaves. Unless there’s some post I can’t see I think there is no reason to be so offended by sacha’s or anyone else’s comments.

Peace.

WTF???? No, no, a thousands times NO!!!

Who are they?

nnnaaassssssstty

CORPORATISTS RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And you’re still a dick…

HA!

From Yahoo News:

“The oil emanating from the seafloor contains about 40 percent methane, compared with about 5 percent found in typical oil deposits, said John Kessler, a Texas A&M University oceanographer who is studying the impact of methane from the spill.

That means huge quantities of methane have entered the Gulf, scientists say, potentially suffocating marine life and creating “dead zones” where oxygen is so depleted that nothing lives.

“This is the most vigorous methane eruption in modern human history,” Kessler said.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gulf_oil_spill;_y…

This gas, plus the Benzene and Hydrogen Sulfide is escaping through cracks in the sea floor and it is impossible with the technology we have to seal this “leak.” With the government's propensity to lie to the public, what in the world makes anyone believe they are telling the truth now?

Pardon me, but liberal and fascist DON’T belong in the same sentence. The two things are essentially mutually exclusive. So you can scream all you want about fascist liberals, but all it does is make you sound just as stupid as you apparently are.

So you liked it better back when W was stealing everything he could get his grubby hands on? You preferred it when the “president” did everything he could to remove every right and freedom you had? You preferred when W and Cheney gave the store away to the ultra rich and took it out of YOUR pocket?

And for the record, it’s DEMOCRATIC congress. You don’t even know when you’re showing your own stupidity, do you?

And NO, we DON’T like this congress. It’s full of corporatists and “centrists” and all sorts of idiotic scum who have sold their souls (assuming they ever HAD one) for money. They have done their damndest to make sure that WE get nothing that doesn’t pass through big businesses hands first. Why the FUCK would we LIKE THAT? It’s what we voted AGAINST and now we have the right doing everything they can to stand in the way of ANY progress, and even some democratic members, too. No, we’d MUCH rather have a whole congress full of Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich, if it were up to us.

“Conservatives” offer NOTHING. They provide NOTHING. They help NO ONE that isn’t in the top 2%. They make sure that a country no longer moves forward. Know what happens to a shark that stops moving forward? They drown. This country stopped moving forward 30 freaking years ago. So far backward that we dragged the whole rest of the world down with us. We are on the verge of drowning just like a non moving shark. We have not progressed a freaking inch in 30 years, and have actually moved back to the 1890′s, if you want to look at social and economic policies alone.

Obama isn’t perfect, not by a long shot, but on his WORST day he’s better than W will EVER be, or certainly ever was. And that is a provable fact. What is your alternative? Go back to the party that drove us into the worst economic situation we’ve been in for 8 years? I hardly think that such an idea is anything but suicidal.

So tell me, were YOU happy with the republican rule of the last 30 years? How did THAT work out for you? Or is it like I suspect, you aren’t even 30 years old yet, so you have NO idea of how things were BEFORE the right wing scum took over? Either grow up, or do some reading from those days and see what things were like then. They weren’t perfect, but they didn’t suck the shit right out of an elephant’s ass like they do now.

Okay everyone, listen up. Too much is at stake to look the other way this time. If we ignore this ‘bill’ these bureaucrats in Washington will take away the one place left where there is true free of expression. Register at http://protect-the-net.proboards.com and let’s figure out a way to stop this bill. Exercise you right to free speech will you still can.

Why are you attacknig sacha for his/her correct observation that slaves don't have free speech? If you aren't aware that the American “workforce” has been turned from indentured servants and sharecroppers into serfs you simply haven't been paying attention. With the numbers of homeless Americans growing by orders of magnitude every week now, pretty soon free room and board in exchange for labor won't sound so bad.

The American people are being turned into $1 a day slave labor, where they will join 98% of the remaining workforce on Earth. Thank you “free market globalizers!” You have managed to turn the human population into cannon fodder and low/no pay service slaves.

Education and internet access aren't necessary to slaves. Soon they won't be available to those of us who survive the culling. Read WJs comments above, he is RIGHT on.

The oil dump by BP will not only damage the food supply, the oceans, destroy fishing and oystering for the next 20 years, but will drive the cost of fuel so high most of us won't be able to afford it at all….think of hundreds of truckers who won't be able to afford to deliver goods cross-country.

When the methane blows, thousands will die and/or loose their homes as well.

The culling has begun and is well under way. Americans are, as usual, kept blind deaf and stupid by their infotainment media. The rest of the world continues to laugh as Americans persist in their delusional belief that “it can't happen here”….it's already happened.

Sacha was merely observing the truth, which is, slaves dont have or need free speech, that's why the internet will soon be taken away.

The “government” has not done the true bidding of the people for decades. It continues unimpeded, down its spiral as our “elected” “representatives” keep selling out to the highest corporate bidder.

Liebershit is an Israeli plant who happily does the Rockefeller family's business by whoring himself for AIPAC. Pity the business of the American people isn't more important to our “elected” “representatives” than that of a foreign power, or the criminal parasite class known as “banksters” and “investors” who have absolutely fucked the American people for the next decades.

Your children and their children will live as slaves and as outsiders in the country our forefathers stole from the natives.

oh yeah FISA! You know that thing Congress was going to “fix” after giving ATT complete immunity for illegal spying?

yeah…that one!

the small people have access to too much information.
we can't control them

He's right… besides, the people in power do what they want and there ain't a fucking thing you or any other of the We the People can do about it except complain and sign those impotent petitions. Haven't heard of one world government yet? Open yer eyes and ears, YOU ARE A SLAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We cannot have truth parading around in the nude. What will people think? How will people react??? Truth must be suppressed, especially when it concerns the GOVERNMENT.

Be afraid. Be very afraid. Then make sure you have an alternative communication network. What happened to that wireless movement where people were transmitting their own wireless signals with small antennas? It has about come time to again forge a new ALTERNATIVE to the “alternative” internet. As typical when a “fringe” system becomes the norm, it's time to move on to something else. The “establishment” gets involved and the whole thing then becomes controlled and corporatized. Even when the Gutenberg printing press was developed, the “establishment,” then the church, took it, outlawed it to all except for those few who were forced to print the ULTIMATE propaganda tool, the BIBLE. The Net may reach the point of ultimate control, first pay for use, then dictated standards and 'safeguards”. Beware…

They must be reading from the Orwellian play book on how to turn the world into a prison.

His reply to my comment is the same as yours.
Both ignore what I posted, the war against truth continues.

Did I say slaves don't have free speech? No I very clearly didn't.
Sacha is a drooling troll.

So you just go off on a very lame lecture/pathetic rant and assume you're teaching me something I don't already know.

You can piss off just like Sacha

Why don't they just put everyone in concentration camps?

I didn't comment about slaves.
Don't tell me to open my yes you dolt, as if I haven't ever noticed the average person has no say???

You're full of crap like Sacha and don't even regard what I posted my first comment.

“The war against truth continues.”

See, a comment about the topic, not some lame lecture about who the slaves are.

exactly, going without internet is just like being in a concentration camp

Oh hell no!

Geebus Chistmas… in what alternate reality is this a good idea?

For someone constantly trying to bomb Tehran Lieberman's doing a good job at imitating Ahmadinejad.

Actually, the Church opposed the printing and disseminating the Bible. The original purpose of the Inquisition was to stamp out “vernacular” (common language) versions of it. The medieval church (Catholic) had invented “Purgatory” as a means of selling the illiterate masses “Indulgences”, Get-out-of-Hell-Free cards. Authorized Bibles were written in Latin or Greek and were, therefore, not accessible to any but the (church-educated) clergy.

that's hard to believe – got some examples? links?

It ain't just the government pard . You can be sure that corporate owned Lieberman and his fellow big business toadies didn't come up with this without the blessing of their corporate benefactors .

Wanna bet whether or not this is used (abused) to block access to Wikileaks if it is passed?

Wanna bet that inconvenient bloggers (the true replacement for corrupt corporate “journalists”) will also get blocked for the sake of “national security”?

This bill must not pass…unless it is limited to government computers/networks. If the government wants to block their own networks access to reality and the truth, then do so BUT KEEP YOUR CRIMINAL MITTS OFF MY PUBLIC NET!

I believe you refer to “Mesh” networks? I was thinking the same thing when I saw this. Time to start getting setup for a mesh network if the fascist thugs in government try to close down the flow of information.

LIeberman is in his last term as senator…but his end doesn't come until 2012, unfortunately. He can still do a lot of damage until then, especially since Reid and Obama still insist on fellating him at every opportunity.

Oh, and Rockerfeller needs to go too. HE is mister warrantless wiretaps are A-OK.

i agree, it's a bad sign. radio is still where it's at. mobile radio broadcasting and receiving units. built into our teeth.

I’m afraid that simply preventing this fascist bill isn’t enough.
We need pro-active congressmen to introduce a pro-active bill declaring constitutional sovereignty of the internet as a vehicle of free speech. Any breech of this sovereignty will be considered treason and will carry a mandatory punishment of death.

Uh…Lieberman is NOT a liberal. All the other fascist suspects supporting this bill (including Obama) are NOT liberals.

Rep Grayson is a liberal. Kucinich is a liberal. Kennedy was a liberal. Al Franken is a liberal. Liberals are NOT in favor of this rightwing (by definition because fascism is rightwing) shit.

Cyber 9/11?
huh?
“Hey, he flew his virtual plane into my virtual building!”
OK, OK, they could steal all the tax payers money and give it to a criminal cabal….
oh…. wait…. too late for that one…
OK, OK, they could tap into our personal information and use it against us!….
Oh, sh!t, thats been done as well….

My own cyber security is perfectly fine and I don't need the fascists in government deciding whether or not my reading of Wikileaks documents or tweets about what is really going on in the GOM, etc, are a “national security threat.”

These days, if it is officially considered a “national security threat” then all that means is it is truthful information rather than the desired propaganda of corporate media.

So? I have never been breached and I don't need goons in government shutting down my access to information. I don't give a flying f*ck if they don't like what I'm reading or viewing, they have no place cutting it off on that basis.

They want to protect SPECIFIC networks (government, banking/financial) then fine, cut off access for SPECIFIC and narrow targets. But leave the rest of it alone.

Not to mention all of the 100s of 1000s of eco-refugees who will be forced to flee northwards for a better, less toxic life, looking for work that isnt there. The yankees distained these people before hand, and itll just get worse. what a nightmare.

I saw this last yr on cspan when Sen Jaybird Rockoclown introduced it in committee. shut down the internet in times of National Crisis??? Shutting down the internet IS the national crisis!!!

http://watchingamerica.com/News/43758/american-…

You're a dick.

Dontcha, worry Praedor, Theyll have Liebermann zwei in his place as soon as the door hits him in the ass, mark my words. Just like you cant stop the war on drugs, (because as soon as one dealer gets busted, another takes his place) you cant stop the war on zionist plants….

To steal a line from Cash Cab … “and the Police State rolls on”.

Anyone think we will ever realize that we aren't the enemy (Left v. Right) but the politicians are?

Say “Goodbye!” to WikiLeaks… eventually you will be saying the same thing to Raw Story after the Repubs gain power and decide to censor that, also..

Yeah, rudy, but you get his point. TV could have been a very useful tool, educating people,
teaching kids about useful things, etc. Instead we got “silver spoons” and “family ties.”
The radio had so much potential, but we got KissFM and NPR. The printing press had the possibility of revolutionizing the labor movement at the time, but instead we got NY times.
etc, etc, etc, ad nausium……

Corporate America will not allow this bill to pass. Internet commerce is the one major thing keeping our US economy alive . LIEberman wants to shut down the internet to stop criticism of Israel. LIEberman is senator who represents Israel's interests in the US. And no I am not anti Israel I believe Israel has a right to be there as much as Palestine.

I hear that the internet affects your concentration. maybe its a good thing!
;D

T: I think this is coming and I'm scared and this does not happen often to me. If this keeps up, I may have to pack my bags and go to someplace sane. Where might that be? Got any ideas?

R: Good comments. Thanks and I agree with you.

Hey Roafer,

I read your comments. You and sacha, whether Repub or Demo, both feel the same way. Sacha's comments are satire, but true. Your comments are true, too.

Time to all get along, ok, we're all looking for the same thing here and you're quite correct, this is a fascist bill that should be stopped. Sacha is also right, slaves don't have free speech and he's commenting that WE ARE ALL SLAVES to the NWO.

So, left and right, let's come together to fight this disease called insanity of the powers that be…

“The legislation is supported by anti-virus giant Symantec.”

Oh yes we will all be perfectly safe, because we will required by law to purchase and install software on our computers that will watch our every move to keep us safe.

Oh, come on, Boneman, stop being so mean to Raofer.

Come on, man, we only regress to calling people names when all else fails…

I'm with you, Roafer. See? You have a friend here.

Thank you!
I wouldn't want a putz like you to say anything different!

The nanny state lives on. Thanks Barack Obama and George W. Bush for trying to tell me how to live. Because of your advice, I choose to live the exact opposite.

When the liars and criminals are in charge, the only moral thing to do is ignore them and go your own way. One day, the truth will all come out. Hopefully, that'll be before this country dies…

I never said sacha was wrong about slaves. But you got suckered into sacha's trolling comments to think I was in disagreement with him, I very clearly was not.
Both you and sacha should stop lecturing me about slaves and free speech.

Quite right. Any 'cyber-attack' would be in motion and doing damage if not over before any one person gives the order to unplug. This bill is soley introduced to limit access and cutoff undesired voices. Where are our libertairians? Our constitutionalists? Our Tea Partiers? If any one agency or business or the whole bloody government wishes to disconnect to avoid the damage of a virtual 911 then let them. Via con Dios. Let each make their own judgement call. To further monitor and hook up a kill switch is another fear contrived excuse to clamp down on info streams that corporate donors and government agencies find irritating like wikileaks and file shaing.

you are kidding about the teeth thing, right?

I'll never buy another piece of Symantic software.

Liberman nauseates me.

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!! You’re so mean!!!!

“You're a dick.” Supremely intelligent repartee. Try to address Roafer's excellent points.

Any guesses on who's gonna write their software? This is fucking bullshit. Where do the small government teabaggers and conservatives stand on this one?

Boycott Symantec software now.

no you suck it…

Evil Empire here we come!

Of course to block our ability to connect with each other they'll spend time and money. Ask these “elected” power/greed junkies about a kill switch that would have prevented the destruction of our country's shoreline as a matter of national security and all you'll get is a , well, ya see, ya know, I thought, followed by a dumb look and a finger pointing in some other direction.

The powers that be know all to well how fast 100 monkeys using the internet can turn on their keepers…

Please wake up to the fact that our political system is corrupt from the bottom up, no longer serves the interest of we the people, and like all things man made contains the seeds of its own destruction. A destruction that we are not only bearing witness to but creating through our own thoughtlessness.

WE create, they legislate. If they stop this internet, we'll create another. The stability of this pyramid, as with all others, lies at the bottom, not the top!

When I first entered the punk rock scene 1979…I was 12……the older punks, bands we saw, and records they made enforced questioning everything and certainly not putting trust in the government or cops. 30 years later my ethics remain the same and I am passing it on to my child. Obviously for good reason. The punks had it figured out early!

These legislators are obsolete and need to be deprecated. They have no idea of the sleeping giant they will awake if they dare to take down the Internet. It would turns thousands if not millions of software developers against them not to mention the small businesses (eh, did these lunkheads even think of that) who rely of their web sites. All those who are tech savvy will do is create a “alternet” out of machines running servers and wifi routers with antennas connected to them. It would start very localized but who knows how far it would go.

These legislators hate us for our freedoms.

Lieberman doing his Kim Jong Il impersonation?
Seems like this may be a response to Wikileaks, among other things…

Maybe if we keep reelecting them, over and over again, they'll have a change of heart?

These monsters are repealing both the First and Sixth Amendments to our Constitution.

They have literally declared war on our country and we must treat them accordingly.

To pass these repeals legally, Congress is required to get ratification from three-fourths of the state legislatures. But since these monsters are career criminals and agents of foreign nations, and because a criminal majority sits on the Supreme Court, the laws no longer apply.

Only true liberals and true conservatives will stand up to defend our nation. True Republicans and Democrats will sit quietly as our enemies advance.

Lieberman and some GOP a**hole buddy…want to control information…? I am shocked…! Will Connecticut ever rid themselves of that parasite Lieberman…?

Government censorship, they don't like the serfs communicating.

Stifling dissent against Israel. Look at the uproar over the attack on the Gaza flotilla.
How will the conscience of the world respond when they attack Iran, killing perhaps tens of thousands of innocent people. Hide the truth of course. The Likud party are proving to be the very worst liars. Why lie at all when you can just pull the fucking plug and end 90% of dissent
in one action.

NO

Lieberman: “For all of its ‘user-friendly’ allure, the Internet can also be a dangerous place with electronic pipelines that run directly into everything from our personal bank accounts to key infrastructure to government and industrial secrets.”

Also unspoken other dangers such as: communication between individuals, outside correspondence, news, and information.

Good point, Praedor. Wikileaks has stirred this pot.

Good on you…how ever, we children of the sixties…with John Lennon and the Beatles, etc. questioned too, rebelled, we finally managed to shut down Viet Nam, will your generation stop Iraq and Afghanistan…? We all got tired, older, involved in raising families, making a living, fat and complacent…we went to sleep… some retired, starting taking Government “handouts” like social security and medi-care, and with time on their hands, and a little money in hand, became total idiots..(Tea Baggers) hope that doesn't happen to your generation X

In all fairness, Dana Plato was pretty hot to 11 year old eyes…

On what planet are “industrial secrets” akin to legitimate national security interests, such as infrastructure protection?

If only we had someway to disconnect these hybrids that get elected as Senators. Is there anything they would not like to be able to control? Goc forbid that a President ever gets a rain button. Think of the punishment he would melt out on terrorist citizens.
We are living in a Frankensteinish nightmare!

Right you are….

The only question left, is when will the government orchestrated “internet attack” occur?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA …

Good one …

Lieberman is an enemy of the American People.

You can not stop this bill. You have elected officials that are granted power and authority to make law and policy, your power to direct the course of the nation comes from only two things.. your vote on election day, or a gun. Since they have the military and are content to use it on you, you are down to only using your vote to direct the course of this nation and world.

Your dilemma is that entirely too many people in this country are entirely too ignorant and disinterested in their government. People don't bother learning the facts about candidates (or voting records of incumbents), nor to they have a political memory beyond a few weeks near the election cycle end. Democracy and self governance only works for intelligent, educated people. The Founding Fathers knew that, and power mongering right-wingers know that; why do you think our public educational system was dismantled?

The only thing you can do is hope to elect people that will undo the bill if it passes, and since you're about to lose the one way to actually learn about viable “pro-people” candidates, you're pretty well fucked.

Holy-Joe lives in fear and projects it on society. It's to late Joe, with your cowardly cronies. IBM, Jobs and the like, thought the money was in the hardware… Bill Gates, the software, hence Micro-Soft!

Gate's won at first, but got caught off guard by the Internet and had to hustle to spank things like Netscape and the like. Sears/Prodigy and American Online, as portals lasted a short time. Didn't Iran attempt to block tweets? You may be able to fire-wall some servers/networks… But the cats out of the bag… Get lost Joe… you shmuck.

As far as Norton's/Symantec, I will withhold judgement, but I do have concerns with their fine print, access to system registries and the like, not to mention 360's a hog. :)

More like: “The legislation is supported by anti-human giant Symantec.”

the shitheads in congress and their bankster overlords are running scared.

“Protecting Cyberspace”???

Does anyone still not know why we have the 2nd Amendment?

I would imagine Symantech has a huge financial interest in this. DHS contracts?

Despite trying to keep my emotions under control, am I the only one that feels scared like never before?

Whodda thunk? We're turning into China! Think maybe they're conditioning us for the takeover?

All you people that have guns with permits, hide them away from your houses, because those will be the first ones they come for. Those of you that have guns without permits, get more and lots of ammo!
Gerald Celente predicts the “Summer of Terror” afterwhich the banks will shut down and your money will be hard to get, if at all and greatly depreciated.

Yeah, teing without Internet would be worse that being in a concentration camp with Internet access. :)

Judging from my misspelling, you are probably right.

Free speech has always been a threat to power. Just watch how quickly those in charge now move to control it. How about a little truth in advertising? Let’s call this bill what it is. This isn’t a Cyberspace security act, it’s The Political Insecurity and Instability Act.

http://ping.fm/wOtSG

Actually the internet was originally for the military I think developed by DAARPA or a similar agency. I'm not sure when they let others start using it. I guess they've collected enough data and it's time to shut down. This was probably planned from the start.

Protect-the-net has the right idea, Savantster. As long as I'm still alive, I'm going to keep fighting. It may sound sickeningly idealistic, but regardless, it's better than sitting around and doing absolutely nothing about it. My personal motto used to be, “The good guys never win.” Well, I'm working to change that. Spread awareness while this freedom still exists. If you say it's a lost cause, you're working for them. Do something now or fuck off!

Do you approve or disapprove of a Presidential Internet “kill switch”? VOTE

http://youpolls.com/default.asp.

Come the bloody revolution we need to consolidate command and communications and deny them to the plebes.

“When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”
—Sinclair Lewis

Ladies and gentlemen, fascism has already arrived in America.

Elections are not WON
They are bought
By
JEWS
&
MORMONS

The internet took the Plutocracy by surprise. They are scared of it. They are doing all they can to shut down this form of international, real-time, unfiltered dissemination of information.

Obama serves his plutocrat masters well. He's a very loyal servant to them.

Unite people. Against the tyranny lurking in the halls of OUR Congress. Unpeople and the “small” people and the ass-out people and the left and the right and all those lost in the middle people. This is a declaration of war. By bombastic political punks that serve their own whorish wants and desires. Bailouts for corporates and bailouts for banks and endless wars of naked aggression and America's democracy is toast. The 'great raped and plundered' American taxpayer gets the tab and golly, there is NO let up to the crap-o-la that must be endured. Arrest Joe Lieberman for his treason. Make a “citizens arrest” and find a jail to put his fascist ass into and throw away the key.
FREE AT LAST FREE AT LAST. GREAT GOD AHMIGHTY, WE USED TO BE FREE!

Anything JOE wants is bad for We The People. I wish someone would do us all a favor and…

Oh, don't be silly. All “Corporate America” wants is to make sure you can still get to the sites you need to buy their crap. So, mallwort.com and netflix.com and stupidcrapfromchinawithleaditnit.com will all be available. It's only the sites that we need for information like bradblog.com, buzzflash.com, opednews.com, rawstory.com and tvnewslies.com that will be blocked off. BTW, they will give us some “supposedly liberal” sites like dailykos and huffingtonpost to placate us into THINKING we have some freedom.

OH, and for you semi-geeks out there, they will probably implement this through the DNS system at first before forcing the hosts to actually shut off the servers, so it wouldn't hurt to have a list of the actual IP addresses of your favorite sites. It might get you some word on the foreign clone locations they plan to shift to before they get taken out.

INFORMATION IS POWER. Why would you think those who control 90% of the power on the planet would want anybody to be able to have any information that they didn't control the flow and content of?

No there are NO liberals in the Democratic party.
Often they get elected for one term, but if they refuse to support all the right wing DLC crap they get primaried and taken out at the knees by the party bosses.
Kucinich has been neutered, McKinney is gone, and Kaptur (an honest liberal) will be taken out in the next election by her own party.

You need to stop living in the past and understand what your party has become. It is dead, just like our democracy.

It must be pretty hard screwing over the whole country while claiming to be looking out for the people. If our ruling paper-shufflers REALLY have our best interest at heart, why do they always seem to be helping us at the end of a gun or from behind bullet-proof glass? The FED is ruining America. Just look at the power that they are giving the Fabricated Emergency Manipulation Agency, as well as Frame-n-Blame Incorporated. We need a good revolution. America…screwing over someone near you.

Fnck You, Joe Lieberman (and all the stupid Dems who used to support him, and all the stupid Reps who still support him).

Ayatollah Lieberman has declared and so it shall be!

Why do those who hate dictators what their powers so much???

Wow, this bill is the scariest of them all!

Very reminiscent of Iran and China! Thanks, Joe “The Schmo” Lieberman!

Somebody needs to send Joe a copy of “The Master Switch” by a Professor at Columbia law school and former Google executive.

What Joe wants to do is essentially what the Nazi's did. They shut down all the radio stations but two, made all the radios with a Channel 1 and a Channel 2 button and that was all you could hear. The Master Switch is a book that details how technological means of information distribution have been taken over and controlled shortly after they were introduced and used by fascist and dictatorial governments to control the masses. The book isn't out yet but you can preorder it on Amazon.

The burning down of the Library of Alexandria is in there too. That's what Joe and the other Senators wants to do. . This book was discussed at a conference of the New America Foundaton. Here is a video of the conference where this issue was discussed:
http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2010…

Lieberman should be charged with High Treason for this. He is no friend of America or the American people.

fuck obama

And Hitler's Germany and Stalin's USSR and Pol Pot's Cambodia, among others.

The Chinese and Iranians would completely understand the 'necessity' for this sort of bill. What interesting bedfellows Lieberman, Carper, Collins, Snowe, and Rockefeller keep. Hmmmmmm…

If we, the American People, every want to get back our lost Sovereignty, to become again Government Of The People, By The People, and For The People, it is clear that we must do two things. The first is to totally restructure our electoral system so it is not just an auction of politicians to the highest bidders, and, second, to throw out BOTH the Republicans and Democrats who threaten our freedom in their deluded belief that security and authoritarian rule are more important than liberty and freedom.

This is just more of the same playing of the fearmongering card that Joe “I regret that I have only one Constitution to give for my sniveling, cowardly life” Lieberman, in particular is infamous for.

Once our politicians, handmaiden of their corporate masters, learned how effective fear is at controlling us and increasing their fascist, totalitarian power over us, they must keep upping the ante. If they ever let the fear recede, rational thought may return to the people, and the American People will be hanging Republicans and Democrats together from the lampposts as the traitors to freedom and democracy they are.

Osama bin Laden may have lit the terror fuse in one 2-hour period 9 years ago, but it is our own politicians, particularly (but not entirely) those who lean Rightward, who have carried on his work and fed the terror and fear for their own purposes ever since. Wherever bin Laden is hiding now, he must be ROTFLHAO!

Don't worry, sweetie, we can still move to Iceland.

Like all things that empower the “small people”, and force personal responsibility of the stratosphere dwellers, it's time for the internet to go. Oh sure, you'll still be able to log on and check your bank account, pay your never ending bills and buy space bags or some other crap, but privet use of the net will be choked, and access will become so little you'll be able to “drown it in a bathtub.”

The net and it's users expose the crooks, the liars and the killers of worlds. Since that is true it must be stopped at all cost, because if it isn't then people who call others macacca's, those who spill blood and oil, those who say the worst of things and then are exposed will continue to be thwarted and run out of town.

So say goodbye Reader to the last of freedom of the press as it is most certainly a national security threat to have that freedom. “On 911 19 men from the middle east knocked down some buildings.” On 912 every American became a suspect.”

So here we go again, and what else is new.

I thought the 2nd Amendment was to be used as a “remedy” for Sharon Angle's brainless followers if Harry Reid is re-elected.

Correction – change “for” to “by”.

When they came for the gays, I didn't say anything because I wasn't gay.
When they came for the pornographers, I didn't say anything because I wasn't a pornographer.
When they came for me, there was nobody left to say anything.

Joe Lieberman is a sorry little man. He's one of those types that if you got in his face, he would wilt in fear. Everything he stands for is against the interests of the average American citizen.

phuk joe – rotting shitbag from the darkside, belongs inverted with the same illegal torture exacted upon him, as he supports being done to others.

only shut his internet down, so the truth of 911 and many other crimes can play on without him.

oh… just hit the switch, and destroy the hard work of millions who rely on the web for their incomes.

Its like they are doing everything in the world to piss off american's into a confrontation, so they can say how right they were…

joe belongs in prison – years ago – the phuk nuggets need out from power of any kind asap!

Ya, Voted and 94% disapprove, which means they will pass it. phuckers!

The Children of the 60s were definitely against Viet Nam and even protested against it in huge numbers (by the way, Thank You!!), but the government paid no attention to, in their minds, a “buncha damn hippies” – it was Walter Cronkite that actually managed to shut it down. Unfortunately, we don't have a Walter Cronkite nowadays.

I don't see HOW they could disconnect the internet. It is a NETWORK designed to be resistant, even impervious to sabotage. The hubs are all over the world, the wiring interconnected with tv cable and phone cables; and we are rapidly becoming a satellite based internet. Looks to me they'd have to crash every network in the country -phone, radio, tv and satellite- to even halfway shut down the internet.

Lieberman is a traitor to the USA. And he is real stupid.

They want to bomb Iran before everyone realizes that we are no different from them.

We'd never even consider allowing government to “unplug” the press (shut down all newspapers), disconnect the television airwaves, etc. Interesting.

i think the idea is to shut down the us portion. there is a law that forces the us gov't to outsource part of it's work to outside contractors, i know because i saw it at ibm, they work with the nsa, cia, fbi, darpa and so on. along with ibm, no doubt microsoft, google, hardware vendors like cisco all have some government timebombs sitting inside them, the kill switch would just activate them. i agee with both things you said about lieberman.

i don't understand a need for such a bill, because i believe that there are executive orders, and presidential directives that have already covered this in a blanket sort of way. i once heard someone say that the elites always let you know their intentions, so that they can always say that they “warned” you. it's out there but how many americans saw it?

AHAHAHAHAHAHA OH, JOE! And how exactly to you intend to turn off the internet? Simple answer, Joe….you can't.

It'll be fun to watch Obama sign Lieberman's bill.

No, it can't exactly be turned off, however it can be balkanized in an instant by the dropout of ANY major backbone carrier.

NONSENSE. The 'internet' is 100% dependant on landline fiber and a few key routing stations. It can, and will, be turned off when 'they' want it turned off.

By the way, the Internet can be “shut down” easily. Service providers simply need to be told to shut down operations: e.g., AT & T, Comcast, etc.

If this bill gets even close to passing in either house, we should dry up every Congress persons campaign donations that even dared vote yes on this KGB takeover.

I mean so drastic that they literally have to get a fucking monkey and a tin cup and beg on the street!!!

Ironically, the need for a paper press.

All the tools are now in place for a perfect takeover of life as it used to be. Bush and Cheney laid all the foundations and now Obama is building a skyscraper.
“Tear down that wall” was said in other times to another country.
Now we are being walled in!

In times of uncertainty and fear, we really, really need a way to disconnect Joe Lieberman, coward, traitor to freedom.

That's a nice fantasy but it will never happen because corporate america now relies on the internet for so many things. They will never allow it to be turned off.

You are forgetting who is really in charge. Really you are a fool if you think that the government can go up to a major corporation and just tell them to put themselves out of business.

No no no. Symantec loves dumb warm humans with checkbooks. What they hate is people who can think.

Well for one your DNS trick won't work because it is very easy to block packets by IP address.

For two a partial blockade is useless, look at the Iranians and the Chinese. They work very very hard to censor their Internet but the information passes freely anyway.

For three the ISPs will howl like mad if you ask them to do this. These people are cheap SOBs and they purchase the minimum gear to get the job done. Complex firewalling and blocking requires lots of resources that the ISPs just plain do not have.

And again big business relies on the Internet and will howl like mad if you mess with it. You can't implement something like this without causing BIG disruptions all over. Big business will have none of that. They need their internet 24/7 with no downtime.

Ditto and BRAVO……Joltin Joe is a real scumbag….always has been…always collected big bucks of taxpayer monies and did absolutely nothing for it.

An attractive theory but just not true.

Wikileaks doesn't even need the Internet to survive. In fact they survive by staying OFF the internet. They pass their secrets by hand to avoid electronic detection.

Electronic data can escape censorship MUCH more easily than printed data. Electronic data can be easily encrypted and transported using a wide variety of methods. You'll never sneak a newspaper through customs but it is very easy to get data across a border.

The entire US economy will utterly collapse within hours if the Internet is disabled. Commerce as we know it will just stop. We might as well just drop nuclear weapons on ourselves.

WHILE NOT QUITE THE Nicene Council, this propsed legislation, S.3480, would effect the public's use of the internet in ways which have not been made clear. The persons, primarily representing corporate entities' at the hearing held on the 15th, did not iinclude any representatives of the general public(I wasn't invited , were any of you?} The inspector's general's office for Homeland Security was to issue an report on the hearing on the 16th, but I have not been able to find this report. I suggest that we as Americans do what we do best, contact our repesentatives directly with our concerns …..Lieberman, Hart Senate Office Building, Washington D.C., 20510, 202-224-4041, Collins, 413 Dirksen Senate Office Building, Washington D.C.,20510, 202-224-2523 and Camper, 513 Hart Senate Office Building, Washington D.C. 20510 202-224-2411
To send an email you can get their addresses from the http://www.sen.gov website.

You're dreaming if you think they will let you in.

This is not even possible

I'll say I'm Canadian.

Wow so much ignorance in one post!

“there is a law that forces the us gov't to outsource part of it's work to outside contractors”

What does that have to do with private ISP corporations?

“no doubt microsoft, google, hardware vendors like cisco all have some government timebombs sitting inside them”

You perhaps are unaware that security researchers all over the world are constantly picking over these products looking for security flaws and planted backdoors? Big corporations consider these things to be security threat and they don't want them any more than you do. Big corporations are massively scared of industrial espionage. Any backdoor installed for the convenience of the government could easily be hijacked by hackers. Nobody is willing to risk this.

Absolutly amazing. What happened to freedom of the people & the states running their own affairs???? I'm so tired of the government protecting us in our homes. They already have the right in get in our accounts, why can't their agencies just share information. It would save the taxpayors (us) money & help w/less government.
I'm glad someone from each party is represented so it doesn't become some other partisan crap.

should send this mossad AIPAC lackey back home, where he should really be working at: with the Likudniks at the Knesset.

And thus the enemy wins.

Why bother bombing your enemy when you can convince them to slit their own throat?

The US economy will be dead before it hits the floor if you turn off the Internet.

It will be like the Chinese internet, that there will be things you can't get. Your activities will be reported. Raw Story and wikileaks will be blocked by sophisticated censoring programs.

In other words, “All that freedom of speech stuff is fine, except when it's not and you need to have your goddamn mouth shut by the government.”

No good can come of anything associated with Joseph Lieberman (ID-CT). What a fucking rat.

Bush and Cheney tore down 3 major structures sitting on 3 foundations on 9/11, which laid the foundation for tyrannical rule, and yes Oilbama is doing his part. America as we knew it is long gone.

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” Benjamin Franklin… I'm a little tired of how scared America has been acting lately…

This is a cast of old people who don't know anything about a computer but afraid the people have a way of speaking out. The majority of Superme Court Justices don't use a computer or blackberry. Senator Nelson doesn't even know how to use the ATM. Obama knows the nuts have nothing else to do and are up set everyone is putting that business on the web. We have learned that the Law Makers who are supporting the Oil Comopanies are shareholders. Rep. Cantor got inside information and made a 15,000 dollar bet against the US Economy you betcha just before the Stock Market Crashed. Rep. Barton attacked Obama and BP while he gets big donations from the Oil Companies. Cheney came out of his Cave to try and take over BP while their on their knees. President Bush is just picking up dog dropping and getting high and drinking to forget those millions he allowed to die.

Well that's actually good because the Chinese do a pretty crappy job at censoring their internet. Those who know what they are doing can easily work around this stuff. In reality Chinese people can communicate easily both with each other and the outside world. They actually do a better job than we do of exposing the corruption in their government.

protect criminals
federal reserve
mass murder
both parties
the 'media'
9/11 truth
AIPAC..

Lieberman is corporate scum. It is time he be disconnected.

Wow you really think everyone else is as dumb as you are?

Yeah just step right up to this electronic voting machine…

Fran they can choose who gets on and who dosen't just like they modulate content on face book. Don't think for a minute they won't password protect you from the internet if they want to.

Oh you are just funny. There are more ways to get to the Internet than I can count. Corporate america will never get shut off so people can do it at work. You don't even need an ISP, groups of people with wireless routers can make mesh networks that totally bypass the standard networks.

Who are you kidding, There is NO mechanism for passwords in the Internet. There is no central user database. You have been watching too much TV and too many spy movies.

Take a look at wikileaks, they seem to have ready access to all manner of government secrets despite the best efforts of the government. Face it the government is hopelessly inept at computer security.

Wow, that is downright scary stuff dude. Seriously. Im like WTF man! All politicians are scum!

http://www.total-anonymity.tk

“The Internet may have started out as a communications oddity some 40 years ago but it is now a necessity of modern life, and sadly one that is under constant attack,”

– Constant attack from Congressmen with too much time because they aren't taking care of the country's real issues.

We need Methane-eating bacteria as well as Oil-eaters!

Are they being used? Couldn’t someone, somewhere dump a few gallons of oil-eating bacteria into the spill and see what happens? Maybe they’ll mutate and eat all the oil-made stuff on the planet. Or not. Maybe the oil-eatin’ bacteria will get into the reservoir of oil itself.

Like the “Oakies” from the Dust Bowl? What pejorative would be invented for them? “Oileys”?

that would be “america's” portion of the web – the USA is not the fracking King of the World. You american's need to shutup and eat your oil – and swim in your sh_t

Can somebody please wring that mother—— Lieberman's neck? Or preferably torture the pig to death!

Republicans just can't stand freedom of speech.

535 assholes.

I celebrate every day one of those loser s kicks the bucket . What total incompetants

Maybe you are right – I sure hope not, the economy is sick enough.

Still, I've been working (and playing) on the internet literally since it became available to the public (yes, I'm old-ish) and all of the pre-internet infrastructure still exists and is actively used. Major backbone failures have happened in the past and still happen (not nearly as often or for as long) today.

We lived without the internet from it's invention in the 1960's until ~late 1980's, and if required, we will again. What is lost online will be regained in offline commerce, I think.

These politicians talking about it as critical infrastructure haven't a clue what they're talking about. My bets are on if it somehow shuts down tomorrow the worst that happens is some people go out and see the sky for the first time in a while.

No, only three assholes, in this instance. More will certainly join in, but there will be many Congressmen who will say “fuck no” to this monstrosity.

Fran, the type of mesh network you describe is exactly what one would hope the public response will be, and you are spot-on in your other post about data, encryption and borders.

I think that the amount of data collected about us all in general since the Nixon Administration would shock even me, and I'm as cynical as they come. Each ISP's customer list, aggregated, constitutes a distributed database however – even if various incompatibilities mean very long access times, those access times are measured in hours or days, not weeks or months.

Data does have a way of seeming to “want” to be free, and people will somehow repair whatever is taken, no matter how long it takes, and that network will be less breakable than the one we know today and maybe even less costly too.

If this somehow becomes law, whoever did that should hope that those “election” thingies are also a thing of the past if it ever gets used.

While I don't think that the Internet is as critical as some do, having said that, I flip out on my ISP at every unscheduled outage. :)

Bah. If “they” were a coherent entity, that might be so. “They” aren't.

Lieberman's perceptions of the “threats” and the “enemies” are symptoms of his and others not wanting to be exposed as frauds in their manipulations of the government, business, media, and the populace at large. God forbid any of us should be able to be clued in to any information that might save our own skins or help us to protect ourselves and our basic inalienable rights and freedoms. Lieberman is simply saying “Ignore the man behind the curtain.” (Wizard of Oz).

It is neither resistant nor impervious. There are only a very few backbone carriers and the failure of any one has caused cascading failures of the others (traffic overload) in the past, and IMO not much has improved. Every week, some jackass with a backhoe breaks something – ask those users whether or not they could get to “the Internet”.

Shouldn't that read Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Israel)?

Yep! Someone doesn't like uncontrolled distribution of information.
It is expensive to buy all media sources in internet.

Guess the Israeli lobby is getting nervous about all the Gaza blockade chatter and had to give Joe his orders, . . .

When I think Lieberman can't get any lower he proves me wrong again.

Joe, it's Creedmoor calling.

If Lieberman gets his way America's only source of (mis)information will be through Rupert Murdoch. Will they be jamming the BBC as well?

“Federal efforts” in protecting the web? Nothing like putting Big Brother in charge of protecting us against Big Brother, is there? Nice going, Joe. Perhaps it's time for you to retire.

Don 't forget the largest recipient of BP political contributions is Barack Obama, according to the Center For Responsive Politics.

Hmmm. You don't think any of those metal thingies with the solar panels in geosynchronous orbit are carrying any of “the Internet”? I don't think that can be said with authority. Think HughesNet.

The internet is the last bastion of free thought and free speech. Once the government can turn it off at will America is finished.
They can already monitor all emails and web sites but that is not enough. They want to control thought and prevent free speech when they are breaking laws. Turning off the internet is a critical tool for Fascists.

VOIP phones phone service could be shut off too.
Boycott of Symantec to send a message that this is excessive.
Go to Radio Shack and buy a CD to have so communication capability Big Brother can suspend

Is it just me or does Joltless Joe Lieberman look like a talking aligator skin hand bag? And a knock off at that! He had to have his last election bought for him by his NYC money buddies. You know the 9/11 jobbers. Joe is and has always been a script reading errand boy. As of late by comparison John McInsane appears to be totally sane? HEH!

Let me be clear. If this passes then freedom of speech will be dead. Seriously.

The agenda here is so fucking obvious. They want (need) to turn this country into police state. If we let them do this we're finished. Several years ago when net neutrality was still on the table we should have passed that too, but we were too stupid or complacent to do that too. I really hold out no hope for us. This world will end up as a global fascist police state, mark my words.

Oh and BTW when can we frog step LIEberman in front of a firing squad? Isn't it way past time?

Maybe I'd get more done.

Somebody buy them a giant red button, stick it on the wall, and label it “Internet Kill Switch”. Bonus points for also installing blinking lights and buzzers that go off when it's pushed. Ugh.

I wondered who “Bill” was … Bill Gates? Bill Clinton? Mr. Bill?

if this is the case as you say, how did the attacks originating from it is believed china hack into google accounts, because of “allowed” backdoors for law enforcement. this is not unique, ericsson, nokia, siemans all have this. the very security researchers you speak of discovered the software driver ADVAPI.DLL allegedly planted by the nsa in windows internet explorer, i remember they found several keys one of which they have no clue as to it's purpose. the reason they'll probably will never know is because they don't possess the requisite cyrptanalysis ability of the nsa. also well known that there has been cases of counterfeit cisco routers. many believe we are now living in a fascist state where corporate america, and government are one, in that case why would you find it so hard to believe that a major corporation would turn down a government request? why would you also believe lieberman was speaking of cutting off corporate america? he's afraid of the alternative news, and how the internet allows propagation of ideas not commerce.

This whack Lie-ber man is just that… and just who the hell does he think he is anyway.
For goodness sake please someone vote him out of office already!

I've been warning everybody about this for a long time. The illuminati desperately want to shut down the internet and they will manufacture a crisis in the next months to a year in order to have an excuse to do so. When that happens we will never see the truth again because it will not be back up until it's completely controlled by the government. You won't even recognize it as the internet then. check out the new world order
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX0_5uhu8XI

Free Speech? What's that? People need it? No they don't!

It's probably too late. The control is already locked in especially as the populace continues to wait for some shining knight politician instead of organize and lead by themselves.

watch: the first “dangerous” website they turn off will be the pirate bay! (for the incognescenti, that a p2p [peer to peer] website built around the bittorrent sharing system).

Yeah, the question is always this: Who'll watch the watchers?

Talk about putting the fox in charge of the hen house……..sheesh!

1984 is catching up slowly but surely.

It sure isn't vampire Bill!!! :-)

my guess is that darpa already has written it

my guess is that darpa already has written it

Lieberman is the biggest, sniveling piece of shit in office! What a weasel! When you people wake up and realize that this country was CREATED a police state by our fabulous Founding Fathers then maybe we can begin actions to correct the many flaws in the CONstitution!. Some of those f*ckers were Lieberman's and Cheney's back then!

Educate yourselves and listen to this guy:

http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.j…

Sign the Petition against the Kill-Switch bill and keep the internet free from autocracy! – http://www.petitiononline.com/stopKS/petition.html

Dude if you run windows on your computer then you deserve to get hacked into.

You don’t know squat about how Google got broken into. Really you should stop before you make an even bigger idiot of yourself.

you’re an even bigger fool if you think there is some sort of magic software that can somehow distinguish between corporate network traffic and consumer traffic. Corporate america runs on comcast too.

Dude if you run windows on your computer then you deserve to get hacked into.

You don’t know squat about how Google got broken into. Really you should stop before you make an even bigger idiot of yourself.

you’re an even bigger fool if you think there is some sort of magic software that can somehow distinguish between corporate network traffic and consumer traffic. Corporate america runs on comcast too.

You are beyond ignorant. You have NO idea how business runs. Do you really think that the point of the internet is so YOU can blog?

The entire supply chain mechanism in many many industries has been moved completely to the Internet. Entire industries will just STOP without the internet. No shipments, no deliveries, no manufacturing, no payments, no nothing.

Again ALL of these systems have been rewritten more or less from scratch to use the Internet.

I suppose you think that they could take the atmosphere away and everything would be fine again after a while.

Lieberman wouldn't know a Gigabyte from a dog bite! I'll bet he doesn't even know what Google is.

Lieberman smacks of George Orwell's 1984, control the people so they cannot control the government that is supposed to represent them in government. Lieberman is representing the elite to the hilt, suppressing the masses to the hilt, and with this piece of crap from him he would be able to suppress democracy and those who would question those in policy and who would bring down the elite to the level of the masses and make us all one representative government of which he and his kind do not want. They want power over others, they want to dictate policy, live, the entire spectrum of human behavior so it does not get in the way of power to control anything below.

The 70 “FUSION CENTERS” can do that already and they can see and hear everything “REAL TIME”. Impressed? I hope so, they are the Neighborhood Gestapo. Love ShaJ from Wired

Exactly. they don't need the truth getting out there to contradict their interpretation of events.

If you look, it's not just Republicans behind it, there are Democrats signed on as well. Further proof that they all need to be voted out of office.

This site is infested with them, from the mods to the top people.

The bottom line is that they really just don't want anybody to watch porn online.

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after we were duped by mr. speech. Oh how Hillary would have kicked ass and taken names.

frantaylor, it’s been a pleasure reading you on this otherwise mostly chicken little commentline. Seeing as almost every government agency and department regularly receives a D from computer competence/security monitoring groups with one exception – I want to say Social Security, but I’m not sure about that – I’d say odds are some 12 yr old hacker could shut down the government before the government could shut down the internet. The government ever wants to do the NRA’s long awaited “when they come” they’ll do it the old fashioned way – they aren’t spending half the national budget on the Pentagon for nothing. Then they’ll tell us to either go shopping, watch TV, or play on the ‘net and they’ll take care of the heaving thinking and destroying for us.Kind of like now actually, except it’ll be more like being brown and living in Arizona.

Which isn’t to say that Joe L isn’t a walking scumbag from hell, he’s just an extremely stupid and attention whore walking scumbag from hell.

What? Is anybody else outraged by this Big Brother play? The “it's for your own good” propaganda is bull**t. This bill is another attempt to control the net. With all people communicating one to another, cyberspace is possibly the last freedom. Control-freak governments are threatened.

Really? Then how come they can't even put a dent in spam? Most of the traffic on the internet is spam mail messages. Vast secrets can be hidden and transmitted by hiding in the blizzard of spam. There is no freaking way that anybody has the resources to sift through spam messages.

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The Danish Supreme Court ruled in May 2010 that Internet Service Provider Telenor must continue to block its customers' access to illegal Swedish service The Pirate Bay. The United States Constitution also guarantees copyright along with other guarantees like free speech or the right to vote.

Their MAIN goal is to stop criticism of themselves and this SORRY INCOMPETENT GOVERNMENT. All 3 of these TRAITORS should be voted OUT. Susan Collins and Olympia Snow have voted AGAINST Americans for years, and Liberman is a Zionist Jew who makes every effort to censor Youtube and all criticism of Israel and the Mossad's illegal actions throughout the world, just like the IDF does. PLEASE VOTE THESE IDIOTS OUT.

So…..they intend to turn off the internet…..EXCEPT FOR THEIR BIG CORPORATIONS. We, the people, don't NEED the services of the BIG CORPORATIONS. So, the minute they turn it off we will STOP PURCHASING ANY AND ALL CORPORATE PRODUCTS! For now, please boycott Coca Cola products owned by Warren Buffet for manipulating the stock market crash last month, and boycott GE, and any other corporation you don't believe in (like Tyson Chicken for hiring illegals.)

Not only does China's (and International Corporations looking for more profit) run our economy…now Congress want to limit access and control information…just like China does…we should rename the U.S. and call it, West China….Thanks Ronnie…!

The Dems are the front runner for this! More federal power? Oh they will eat it right up.

Make no mistake about it. They want to disconnect Wikileaks. And anybody else who dares to challenge their official slant on reality.

Well, before we all get out the pitchforks and torches – not that it wouldn't be a bad idea just on g.p. — these folks say any such law is doomed by the stupidity of the legislators who draft them, which in Lieberman's case kind of goes without saying.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/15/bill_se…

No, this is aimed directly at Wikileaks. And everyone else who calls the politicians the murderers that they are.

Not enough information in this article. What would be considered a legit cause for termination? Who appoints or votes for the top officers in the NCCC and who would they be? What kind of threats are we looking at? Most of these comments are overheated, emotional rants. I have yet to be convinced that this is necessary, or vice versa.

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I say, bring it on. We are very very much smarter than they are. We'll just find other means, harder for them to stop, until their awful insipid version of history is crumpled up like a scrap of paper and thrown indifferently into the dustbin. Hopefully it will happen soon enough to spare some resources for exploring the stars where with good fortune we can forget the likes of Bush and Lieberman ever existed.

And yet Pirate Bay is still proudly open for business.

I think I'd prefer to live in a real police state than listen to that guy for longer than 30 seconds.

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So when we get rid of the disgusting stuff on line like FAUX the country gets all better, RIIIIGHT?

I still like the old: Think Global, Act Local. Focus on buying things from your local mom & pop stores. I will never shop at Wal-Mart or buy from companies that sell chemicals disguised as food.

What was the cutoff that wouldv’e meant they’d not pass it? I’m from chicago. I’ll change those results toot suite.

Not likely. They are both DLC. What did you expect? Stop voting for the two party system.

Jesus Sacha, are you obtuse — it’s one rightwing indie, one democrat, one republican; last year’s bill was one democrat, one republican. Total for math-challenged Fox watchers — 2 R’s. 2 D’s. 1 -I. I was feeling sorry for you a while back but you are a Beck toadie.

Somehow I knew Sacha was going to like this, Leiberman writes a bill and it’s fuck Obama. Hey Pist – Fuck Beck.

Oh brother. Sometimes I think it might be a good thing for the government to round us all up and shoot the lot of us.

Gosh, with a kill switch we (the U.S.) will be just like China, Burma, and every other authoritarian nation whose government needs to limit access to the news when the news is bad.

No matter what the stated cause that would authorize a president to pull the switch, we know that if George “Weasel” Bush could fabricate reasons to invade Iraq (spending 100s of $billions and wasting far more lives than Saddam ever imagined), then any president could just as easily fabricate reasons to pull the kill switch and block our access to current events.

When a leader wants to go to war, for whatever reason, he wants to control the media. The Internet was a way around it, until now.

It's easy for a leader to manipulate the media to justify just about every imaginable atrocity, including war and torture. Hitler manipulated the media to win popular support for invading neighboring countries. Bush-Cheney manipulated the media to justify invading Iraq. (Think: FoxNews)

Hermann Göring was Hitler's Nazi Reichsmarshall and Luftwaffe-Chief. Göring summarized the political strategy:

“Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger.”

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The populace can be manipulated into sacrificing themselves in wars at the whims of their leaders. Political leaders can all too easily send the citizenry marching eagerly off to war by manufacturing crises that purportedly threaten national security and making popular appeals to patriotism.

George W. Bush and Dick Cheney manufactured excuses to invade Iraq. Patriotic (gullible) Americans joined the armed forces and their families hoisted their flags and shouted, “support the troops!” Cheney-Bush, FoxNews, and most of Congress all pretended that Iraq and Saddam Hussein were the greatest threats to the U.S. Meanwhile, Osama bin Laden, al Qaeda, and the Taliban were all training and plotting their next moves in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

The reasons for pulling the Kill Switch might be similar to the reasons provided by Cheney-Bush for invading Iraq.

Bu it's the same stupidity that allows them to enact such legislation.

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Lieberman gets oodles of Googlebytes from his Iraeli friends. Many of the Neoconservatives (Neocons) had dual citizenship. Richard Perle was on gov't payrolls in the U.S. and Israel at the same time. There was a big list of Neocons on Wikipedia a few years back and I kept linking to it. Suddenly, it disappeared.

Right, Wikileaks. Our leaders must prevent us from knowing what are up to, while pretending that they represent us.

And it's easy for a Democrat control press to manipulate the news also. Or had you not thought of that as you drolled over MSDNC, CNN, ABC,NBC,and CBS??

Right on Deb! People need to quit thinking 'right' and 'left'. . .same puppet masters pulling both sets of strings! Supremes declared Corporations 'people'. Ralph Nader has been warning us for years, but the Mainstreammediawhores marginalized him and we let them get away with it. So it's really the 'ups' and the 'downs' now. Be of good cheer Debbie, you can contribute some of your great wealth to a candidate for office just as Exxon can donate their paltry little amount to your candidate's opponent. Fair is fair, and you both can equally enjoy your freedom of speech.

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This is crazy…what more can I say.

We can see good old Slim riding the nuke down in Citizen Kane…. Lieberman and Rockefeller assisting on bringing the good old NWO… Not on our watch… You'll have to pry my .357 from my cold dead hands as is our right by the Constitution before you take this nation, free speech, and the internet away …

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Iran certainly wished they had such a thing when they were trying to enforce a media lockdown during the election riots.

Thank God they didn't.

The internet is the most complete example of the 1st Amendment ever devised, and therefore hate by those who oppose the free flow of information.

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I wrote our dear Senator Casey (PA) this last week:Dear Senator Casey:

Dear Senator Casey:

National Security. Protecting Security as a National Asset Act.

The bill would grant President Obama the power to declare a “national cyber-emergency” at his discretion and force private companies tied to the Web, including Internet service providers and search engines, to take action in response—moves that could include limiting or even cutting off their connections to the World Wide Web for up to 30 days. While the bill’s sponsors say it is intended to create a shield to defend the United States and its largest companies from the growing threat of cyberattacks, civil-liberties activists tell The Daily Beast they fear the bill could give the White House the ability to effectively shut down portions of the Internet for reasons that could prove to be politically insp

I learned of this on the Thom Harmann program this morning ( June 19). I sincerely hope you did not vote for this one.

Next the US Government will try to eliminate Free Speech TV and the internet for websites like Wikileaks.

It would seem that our government is fearful of Julian Assange after his Wikileaks website exposed Collateral Murder, Wikileaks Iraq. I watched this video in horror but I also believe that this type of military injustice happens all the time.

Now Assange is set to release another video exposing the 140 CIVILIANS killed by US troops, 95 of them children in Afghanistan. What will the Pentagon think of this one.

I felt that when George Bush initiated the war in Iraq back in 2003, this was a major mistake. Now we are in Afghanistan which I believe is the longest war ever, even longer than Viet Nam.

To bad we have to spend so much money every year for national security. I believe we could blow up every country in the world some eight times over.

Come November or vote will be very important. I believe that the Republicans are way out of line, but I also wish more Independents would also be running for congress.

Sincerely,

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I wrote to my senator last week:
Dear Senator Casey:

National Security. Protecting Security as a National Asset Act.

The bill would grant President Obama the power to declare a “national cyber-emergency” at his discretion and force private companies tied to the Web, including Internet service providers and search engines, to take action in response—moves that could include limiting or even cutting off their connections to the World Wide Web for up to 30 days. While the bill’s sponsors say it is intended to create a shield to defend the United States and its largest companies from the growing threat of cyberattacks, civil-liberties activists tell The Daily Beast they fear the bill could give the White House the ability to effectively shut down portions of the Internet for reasons that could prove to be politically insp

I learned of this on the Thom Harmann program this morning ( June 19). I sincerely hope you did not vote for this one.

Next the US Government will try to eliminate Free Speech TV and the internet for websites like Wikileaks.

It would seem that our government is fearful of Julian Assange after his Wikileaks website exposed Collateral Murder, Wikileaks Iraq. I watched this video in horror but I also believe that this type of military injustice happens all the time.

Now Assange is set to release another video exposing the 140 CIVILIANS killed by US troops, 95 of them children in Afghanistan. What will the Pentagon think of this one.

I felt that when George Bush initiated the war in Iraq back in 2003, this was a major mistake. Now we are in Afghanistan which I believe is the longest war ever, even longer than Viet Nam.

To bad we have to spend so much money every year for national security. I believe we could blow up every country in the world some eight times over.

Come November or vote will be very important. I believe that the Republicans are way out of line, but I also wish more Independents would also be running for congress.

Sincerely,

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Email: zimmett@hotmail.com

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Even if we assume that the enemies of liberty, freedom and free speach include our President and other government officials whom the Cyberbill would make responsible for cyber security and empower to take various measures to protect us from cyber attacks, they are surely not the only such enemies. Is there anyone who really believes that, if the President or the Director of Operations at the CIA or some rogue group at the NSA wanted to shut down the Internet that they couldn't do it, even without this bill. It seems to me it would be better to have an actual agency that reports to Congress that is responsible for this. That way, if something goes sideways, we know who is responsible to report on it. It seems to me that having an agency responsible for dealing with various threats would permit the development of contingency plans that would take certain strategic targets (e.g., banks, national defense infrastructure, etc.) off line to protect them in the event of an attach. It wouldn't be necessary to shut down the whole Internet, all VOIP phone traffic, etc. In short, the question is not whether there is risk to the Internet; clearly there is. The question is whether the risk is increased or perhaps lessenned somewhat by haveing this bill or something like it in place.

Dominance-addicted psychopaths want to “secure” OUR neccesarries of life, such as communication and information, by “disconnecting” them. That's genious. If there are NO ACCESSABLE necessaries, there is NOTHING to secure.

The next thing they will introduce a bill to “disconnect” air and water in order to “secure” them.

For more details, references, and links, see “How Psychopaths Destroy Humanity” at p. 365:
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