The Land Of The Free And The Brave, and monitored.

I've been using Google Latitude for a long time. This is nothing new. I trust google and Apple more than the government. I know what they want with me (marketing) as opposed to the government (my sweet butt maybe?).

well if this isn't just special. I suppose it is very easy for them to track you especially given GPS abilities. Hit the satellite and they've got you. It seems to me that they ought to pay you for digging into what you are doing.

except for the fact that this information is easily available to the United States government

Has Apple made you so naive or were you that way before you hooked up with them?

Why would you trust Corporations more than your Government? Don't you vote?

They've thrown so much fine print at us over the last 15 years that we don't read it anymore -who's to protect us from signing away our rights? -and to think those stupid Libertarians and Teabaggers say we need LESS Corporate regulation.

Then why didn't Apple help find the thief who swiped my son's laptop?

We gave them the serial no., reported it to the LAPD and had *them* report it to Apple
as Apple suggested….and…..NOTHING!

I'm guessing that the only GPS tracking for stolen goods that benefits victims of theft happens when you pay Apple $99 a year for a “Mobile Me” account.

Nothing to do with GPS. Next iAntenna and iBrother triangulate position and actively sends iPosition to St.eve. Do I (note I still spell I instead of i) want that? Hell no.

Braindead or what?

If you choose to use a republikkan phone, you get what you deserve.

Apple- Facebook- all the devils. Even if you are wise enough to avoid the satanic devices your friends and loved ones are not. There are probably posting pictures of YOU and typing personal information about YOU right now!! Without your permission. But ya'll friends right?

Muther F the NWO

A number of us either use proxy servers, TOR or sandboxed OS sessions. It limits on-line targeted ads and tracking to the single session.

One thing that I ALWAYS DO is to use a clean sandboxed (virtual machine) to perform all banking and financial transactions. No malware, man-in-the-middle attacks or tracking by cookie can happen where the browser / OS is, for all purposes, new and never used each tie I link to a bank or financial services entity.

The best site regarding Internet Security is http://www.GRC.com – Steve Gibson of Spin Rite fame is the person who first identified (and, coined the term) “spyware.” The Gibson site does not charge for security tools or information (and has the excellent Security Now! blog archive posted there.

Except, this is about phones accessing GPS data, not about PC's.

Apple has long been able to track individual machines – through membership in the dotmac or ME service or software updates.

Frankly, Apple has made a reasonable business decision because tracking lost/stolen computers is costly and does not advance the business model Apple has created. There are third-party products that will provide real-time information about a stolen computer and (if the computer is a recent model) a photo of the user.

Apple provides whole disk encryption and login password features. If your computer is used for business you ought to be using a 30 character login password and use the full-disk encryption every time. If the machine is stolen at an airport – your information is entirely secure and useless to the thief.

Encryption, strong passwords and an insurance rider together with current backups are the best tools available to the end user.

HAH! You're ALL Lindsay Lohan now!

I hate to point this out, but the data mining may well be limited to improving the product – not checking up on your visits to the casino or your mistress.

No, I'm not an Apple employee – but I am an attorney who switched to the all UNIX Apples back in 2001 and have been extraordinarily well served by the products and the company.

I don't doubt that Apple knows that my server and four other machines are pretty well fixed at my office location. My laptops go with me to depositions and court. They also go to CLE classes and at least one business machine comes home with me.

I have relied upon these tools to run my solo law practice for a decade now and I find that my machines do not have all of the problems with malware that windows machines do.

trust corps trust govt whats the diff they are the same entity

1) AT&T worked in illegal cahoots with your government.

2) Your government is not out to get you unless you speak out against them or commit crimes. You have less to worry about from your government if you're a law abiding good little consumer; corporations want you neck deep in debt buying their crap so you can get locked into being a debt slave and they can control more of the world (being that they control your government now and only use it to steal resources around the globe and lock you up for not paying bills or rocking their financial boats).

You're helping two groups that don't give a shit about you beyond your money, and you're doing it willingly. Consumerism has consumed your brain.

I vote in Canada. I trust corporations because their motives are clear. Money drives them. And to be honest, I have nothing to hide. If this can help them market to me and make me aware of products that will make my life more fun, great.

You have got to be kidding -corporations are NOT your friends -like a cancer, a corporation's sole priority is to itself -even if it has to sacrifice it's customers, non-customers, employees, and everyone in between.

Locations.

ROTFLMAO

All you losers that bought that high priced toy…. now your fucked.

APPLE just turns out to be another FASCIST corporation that gives not one shit about it's customers only it's customers money.

My you all be the first ones interred in the fema camps. But wait you'll all be ok because you'll have your IPhones to play with

umm, gee maybe we should put on our big boy pants and take some responsibility for ourselves once in a while. What a concept!! Do you really need the government to “protect you” because you're too lazy or incompetent to take the time to understand the contracts that you sign? Would you also like big brother to tie your shoes and wipe your ass for you? Why don't you move to China where you'll have all the government regulations your little bleeding heart could ever desire. WOW, I just don't understand the mentality that says one needs to be “protected” by the government.

and just a quick history lesson… In case you weren't aware. 1800s USA, with it's “stupid” libertarian ideals about federal government, grew in less than a half a century to have one of the highest standards of living in the world, the largest GDP and became a genuine world superpower, feats that have never been seen before or since.

Funny how the more federal regulations we put in place and the larger and more intrusive the fed becomes (beginning in the early 1900s) the LESS productive we become, the lower the standard of living becomes, and the more debt we immerse ourselves in. Gee, maybe those “stupid libertarians” who founded our nation had some good ideas? But who cares about history and facts when you have irrational, emotion-based ideologies to pursue…

You could also mention that with Android phones you can turn Latitude on and off.

Sorry to burst your bubble buddy -China is almost Regulation-free as far as the Marketplace is concerned, and what it has is unenforced. China is having to CREATE Marketplace regulation because of recent incidences like Melamine in baby formula and cooking oil reconstituted from sewage.

Take a trip to the Third World and witness Ayn Rand's dream as a reality -legless beggars in the streets, poisoned food, unclean water, planes dropping out of the sky and every man for himself -hey -it's the free market. Do you think there should be private Fire Departments like in your idyllic Libertarian past? -when you better have paid your dues before you catch your house afire, or they will protect the neighbor who paid his and watch yours burn.
Take your own advise about “Big Boy Pants”. Libertarianism is the most childish brand of political philosophies. Ever notice how Libertarianism is popular among both sexes into their the late teens/early twentys, but only among older single men after that? -it's because as soon as people start growing up and having families of their own, they realize how stupid and unworkable the whole idea is.

Have some kids and take a trip to Somalia -and THEN consider Libertarianism -you'll see.

Calm down… I know your name is appropriate, but you don't need to announce it quite so clearly. And please, stop throwing around the word “fascist” and come back when you know what it means.

“a republikkan phone” ??

What on earth is that? If you're going to comment on this story, then please be a grown up.

Jeez, there are a number of posters here today that are extremely agitated and angry. I don't get it, it's a phone fer crissakes.

And by the way, if you seriously think “THEY” don't know where you are, then you're either delusional… or have never used a credit card, or a bank, don't have a mortgage, get paid in cash and buy everything you need in cash.

Oh and turning off Location Services doesn't mean cell tower triangulation won't find you – it will. Oh my god, where's my tinfoil hat….?!

And with iPhone you can turn Location Services on and off… that's nothing new.

Glad you were able to logically respond to my points. thanks for the intelligent discussion. If you can explain why you feel it is the job of the federal government to protect us from making bad decisions I'd love to hear it. …and you ask me to take my own advice about putting on “big boy pants” while insisting it is the job of government to protect us from being lazy and irresponsible. You want to be taken care of by the government but would tell those who prefer to grow up, be a man, take some personal responsibility and deal with life on their own to “grow up”? Does not compute…

The fact that you equate Somalia with a libertarian utopia is absolutely laughable and only demonstrates how little you understand about the ideology. A free market is what we had in this country for the better part of it's existence and the exact reason why we have one of the highest standards of living in the world. The truth to Rand's philosophy was demonstrated by this country up until just a few decades ago. Enter liberal propaganda and philosophy in the 50s and 60s and what do we have less than a century later? A huge fucking mess. Abdicating personal responsibility to the government is one of this nation's biggest problems yet. Please explain how until the introduction of the liberal ideology and abdication of personal responsibility this country was able to do what no other nation in history was able to accomplish. We grew from a small group of colonists to the most successful and powerful nation in the world in less than a century, all while adhering to a very “libertarian” set of ideals and a limited federal government. Your “big-government, anti-personal responsibility” ideals have been shown to be abject failures throughout the history of mankind.

and btw, in my personal experience, the vast majority of self-described libertarians are part of hard-working regular families who take responsibility for themselves and their families and take that responsibility very seriously. Your world view is seriously skewed.

Its actually very easy to turn off “location services” on ALL of Apples products literally giving you the option. SO I dont see what the big deal is. Everytime I get a new IPhone, the first thing I do is disable location services. If i lose it, I lose it.

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Al Gore's on the board of Apple, so everything they do is ok, just like choosing Joe Lieberman and lying about evidence for Anthropogenic Global Warming while setting up a derivatives scheme to profit from it.

Al Gore can do no wrong, so therefore Apple is as pure as the driven…. hail from a cloud that formed over a lake of Corexit 9500.

You do realize new cell phones nowadays have GPS devices that law enforcement can use to track your location regardless of what the settings on your phones are, and even when your phone is turned off. You know this, right?

We each are what we do. Every organization is what it does. Governments are what they do. The words used to deny actions or their intent are hollow; actions matter; actions are what bring about effect.

Organizations and governments are building the machinery of a Police State. They have been doing so with deviousness, focus and drive, and great amounts of money, including our taxes. Their future plans to do more and to expand their existing work are extensive, aiming at all-pervasive, total surveillance.

This machinery includes technology, policies and laws – also the attitudes of individuals and agencies, and businesses.

When we each allow this behavior, or rather, do not protest against it and thus disallow it, we are not exercising our power as citizens of representative government to insure our privacy rights; to stop this behavior or insure it remains within specific boundaries strictly maintained and upheld by law; to see to it our government serves us first before all other interests. When we allow this behavior by the businesses we purchase from, we in fact pay business to take our right, to establish a precedent and then use our money to lobby our government to keep it.

Such rights are the 'baseline,' the rule that is being broken. We have had extensive privacy, indignantly guarded by individuals and respected by government and business. It is being taken away.

The machinery of a police state may at present be benign or, unobjectionable to many.

But it is not only the present behavior at issue. It is the potential we must concern ourselves with.

Why? Because rights are hard won, and when lost all at once or by erosion, are extraordinarily hard to get back. Essentially, the fights our forefathers fought must be fought all over again, perhaps against stronger odds, perhaps against odds so great that our lost rights are irretrievable.

Our rights are not merely a matter of a palpable effect or not upon us today. A multi-thousand-year history of law has established our freedom from injustice and tyranny – and the threat of it. Our rights, alive and maintained, are the foundation from which the future course of society is set; a foundation that cannot be allowed to be weakened.

When we, each of us and groups of us, allow or even advocate for the machinery of a Police State to be built and effected, we will cause the result that we become citizens of a Police State. It may not happen tomorrow or next year; but because the potential exists, someone, some faction, will plot for it, take it and use it.

The evidence is right before our eyes, plain to see now, and in our very recent past. The Bush administration and its secrecy, mendacity and disregard for law – ignoring laws, rewriting laws with new and outrageous definitions, declaring themselves above laws – as criminal as they were, are nothing in comparison to what will arise in the future.

Because the machinery of a Police State exists, it will cause that arising: because surveillance is power, and power attracts those seeking to wield it. Someone will take it – not only the surveillance power of government, but also by new laws, add to government the existing surveillance power of business – and turn it to their advantage, and against us.

We all remember life before 9/11. And few if any of us could imagine our world changed so drastically as we went to bed on 9/10. We all understand that we have a poor hold on our government, flooded with corporate money and influence, and unable to put We the People first before those interests. Many of us are aware of the underhanded ‘institutes’ and their power in Washington and the Pentagon, and their manipulation of the media. Many of us know the Neocon ‘cabal’ is undead. We have all seen the true lows the Republicans are capable of, seen the Tea Party craziness, and seen Democratic Party cowardice and mendacity in covering it over. Many of us are aware of the extensive hold on our government by The Military Industrial Complex, which is the source of the surveillance apparatus and prime mover devoted to keeping this new industry alive.

This, our ‘post 9/11 world,’ is a comparative innocence like that of the 1990s. We cannot consider a monumental change to our world to be a possibility; we must expect it.

Why?

Because we, each of us and all of us, are what we do; and what we are doing or allowing to be done is wrong.

If we make our world that of markets and business an unthreatening benefit to society, that of government serving citizens, that of living our lives in dignity and peace, that will be the result.

If the machinery of a Police State is built, that will be the result; there will be no other result.

WHY the hell would APPLE want to do that?

“We grew from a small group of colonists to the most successful and powerful nation in the world in less than a century, all while adhering to a very “libertarian” set of ideals and a limited federal government.”

The biggest economic and industrial boom we experienced in this country was after adopting Keynesian economics. The reason that the United States moved farther and farther away from the “free market” is because of the problems it caused, such as cyclical depressions, unemployment, poverty, labor abuses, etc.

Although some Founding Fathers could be described as libertarian-like, the USA definitely was not founded by a bunch of libertarians, as can by clearly seen with our first Secretary of the Treasury, Alexander Hamilton. (See his quite anti-libertarian treatise “Report on Manufactures”)

Libertarians have some good ideas, such as ending the war on drugs, but typically they allow their ideology to triumph any thoughtful analysis of public or economic policy. Unfortunately, things are not as simple as “government is always bad, business is always good.”

“We grew from a small group of colonists to the most successful and powerful nation in the world in less than a century, all while adhering to a very “libertarian” set of ideals and a limited federal government.”

The biggest economic and industrial boom we experienced in this country was after adopting Keynesian economics. The reason that the United States moved farther and farther away from the “free market” is because of the problems it caused, such as cyclical depressions, unemployment, poverty, labor abuses, etc.

Although some Founding Fathers could be described as libertarian-like, the USA definitely was not founded by a bunch of libertarians, as can by clearly seen with our first Secretary of the Treasury, Alexander Hamilton. (See his quite anti-libertarian treatise “Report on Manufactures”)

Libertarians have some good ideas, such as ending the war on drugs, but typically they allow their ideology to triumph any thoughtful analysis of public or economic policy. Unfortunately, things are not as simple as “government is always bad, business is always good.”

Yeah, well there's an App for that. . LOL>

M$ was corrupted long ago, the Goog was shown that resistance is futile, Lieberman wants to control IP6, and the Fox, and Linux will fall too. “They” have identified the enemy, and it is us. . . in large numbers. . . so I do agree with you for the most part.

You don't get to pick where people draw their person line, or where people want to place their anger. If you knew half of what you think you did, you'd be glad they were drawing any line at all.

Oh, and the tinfoil hat crew was more correct than any supposed authority on . . . . . .well, everything. Apologist.

eat me. come back when you know what that means

Fascism
1. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
2. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.

Close enough sewollef

Im surprised hackers aren't going after Apple Inc.

I'm still older first review of each application. This happens only once after the upgrade iOS4. app list so within the parameters of investment is also populated. Once the application is complete, you can manage from there.
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I will be holding services for the death of privacy later today – anyone want to join me?

Since Al invented the Internet, this is a natural follow-on

No LBS, eh? So you like to get lost going to a new place. You don't want to know how far you rode your bicycle or walked today. Find a friend in a crowded location… what bother? Luddite. I bet you crank your car in the morning to start it, too. Get a feature phone, gramps, or better — carrier pigeons.

I sincerely thank you for the short education. I'm still learning about the libertarian ideology but most of what I've seen so far sounds great… I mean, who could possibly be against freedom and liberty?

If I had to label myself, I'd be a libertarian-leaning, liberal conservative. Basically all I want is a return to Rule of Law and the Constitution being the supreme law of the land as it was intended. I don't think anyone with half a brain can't see that our federal government is completely out of control and needs a major shaking up.

Nah don't hate to point it out, we all have an opinion. The ability to track your phone can be a good thing or a bad thing. A good thing if you are in an accident it could help, but on the other hand it can be used a nefariously as it is collected. I would like to see a privacy policy that says what reasons that data can be used. Anytime data is collected on you it can be used agaisnt you as I am sure you are aware.

I dont use apple products, and build my own PC's. I have an android phone and love it. And I'm sure it wont be long before they do the same as apple. Today I got a text from google telling me that my gps Latitude program was on. (Latitude is an app that shows where you and your friends on the phone system are on GPS.) So don't kind yourself, this isn't just for product improvement

No thanks. Frankly I avoid conversations with Libertarians like I avoid conversations with Jehova's Witnesses, because like Jehova's Witnesses, Libertarians are are duplicitus, having a softcore public dialog and a hardcore private dialog. The public dialog claims “we want all the same things you do”, while the private dialog is “not ready for Prime Time” -to say the least. Rand Paul recently gave the public a brief glimpse into THAT world.

If a political ideology requires frequent defense and clarification against allegations of extremism from non-adhereants, the ideology itself should eventually be considered at fault, instead of the non-adherents and their “misconceptions”.

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I owned an iPhone 3GS and it truly does wonder. I like it from the icons to how the transition functions. Considering of altering to iPhone four soon immediately after my subsequent month’s salary.

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has iOS 4.2 been unblocked yet? I cannot live with Cydia so not update my iPhone but.