Where are the pro-Paul comments now? (Crickets)

If you watch one of his interviews, he explains that this was a backdoor deal between the White House and BP, that no one will know if US taxpayer money will go to this cleanup. Besides, who says 20 bil. will be enough? If the cleanup costs 100 bil, why should the WH be allowed to cap the liability of BP? And the last paragraph of this article, I would love to see where and when Ron Paul ever supported subsidizing oil exploration. He is the most principled member of congress and subsidies are against his principles.

congress is abandoning its role in this mess by granting subpoena power to the executive's task force. again congress laying down on the job and the executive expanded its power grabs. this is a dangerous and accelerating precedent to concentrate so much power in one branch, and look at the executive's record of success (specifically, lack there of)!

It is amazing how the main stream press will try to demonize Paul when his position is perfectly in line with his oath and actually has the best interests of the people in mind.

BP is in bed with the obama administration, Obama's tough talk is just that, talk. Obama received more money from the oil industry than any other presidential candidate in the race of 08, and the article tries to pin Paul as a protector of big oil interests. What a JOKE!
Even the courts over turned Obama's moratorium on drilling because the government could not provide a sufficient reason why it should exist other than a public relations campaign. BP was granted specific privileges to drill in deep water by the obama admin and the regulators notoriously hassle smaller firms while large, well connected operations that stuff campaign coffers of the new administration are able to ignore rules and regulations.
I can only imagine how those who pray to authority will jump on the media's ban wagon and claim ridiculous things like Paul is a puppet of the corporations, despite his stance and vote being an effort to hold BP FULLY ACCOUNTABLE. but truth is treason in the empire of lies and Rep Paul has been guilty for all 11 terms in Congress.

Ron Paul is the only man honest enough to speak his mind and the truth ALL of the time. He is the only hope for America;)

You are misinformed. The money is not for the cleanup, it is for the people who have been impacted (claims). The Exxon Valdez damage claims were only recently settled. Exxon tied it up in court for years while people's lives were ruined. Many have died and never got a settlement. It was disgraceful and depraved what Exxon got away with. Obama knows BP can tie these claims up in court for years. He got an escrow fund of $20 billion. Bravo. It received press, but that does not make it a publicity “stunt”. I agree with Ron Paul on some issues, but on this one he needs to understand the rights of PEOPLE come before the rights of CORPORATIONS. Corporations “bully” all the time. It's about time someone representing the PEOPLE bullied back.

I suggest you put him side-by-side with Dennis Kucinich and see if your statement holds up.

Being honest (and he is) does not make one immune from being wrong. In this case he is wrong.

To further clarify, Dennis Kucinich, like Paul, is honest. Yet they disagree on many issues, and agree on others. Being honest does not make you right, or smart. I judge things by my own analysis. Donald Trump lies all the time, but he was right on his analysis of the incompetence of Bush.

so, Paul is in favor of tax incentives and government subsidies to promote oil and gas exploration and production, but does not favor regulating them… so the Fed government (which Paul says should NOT interfere in business) should help the oil and gas find and pump the oil and gas but should not regulate them… if he is against big government why the subsidies?
He is not a against the government, he ONLY wants it to help business
god help the individual if Paul has his way, big business runs things as they see fit and dam the regulators and the individual person
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I like Kucinich for the most part but he betrayed his principles earlier this year with the health care bill. He was right when he said that the bill benefited the drug and insurance companies and that he would not vote for it. Then a visit with Obama (probably threatened to remove campaign funding) changed his vote over night even though nothing in the bill was changed.

If you read the link, he did not ever say he supported subsidies (Raw Story obviously misquoted him). That is against his principles and I would be amazed if he has ever voted for any subsidy.

Ridiculous -Paul claims to be for an informed public automatically regulating the Free Marketplace, yet when the informed public gets pissed and turns against oil companies in the purest Free Marketplace way, he balks. Libertarians are so full of shit.

What you just wrote is nonsense just like everyone else who uses that situation as an excuse to diss one of the only TRUE patriots in government. If you try to look at it from from a positive perspective, he did the right thing. Now there is hope to tweek the health care and upgrade it to single-payer in the future.

Your comment is old, worn, faded, and without substance. Sometime things aren't as simple as they seem.

“… although Paul is in favor of tax incentives and government subsidies to promote oil and gas exploration and production…”

Yep. That's exactly right; no “misquoting” detected.

From the aforementioned Affordable Gas Price Act:

“Amends the Internal Revenue Code to: (1) set forth additional incentives for investment in oil refineries; (2) suspend the tax on highway motor fuels when retail gasoline exceeds a certain benchmark; and (3) increase mileage reimbursement rates.”

Tax incentives ARE subsidies, duh.

Hitler was pretty honest.

You're not from Texas, are you?

the blithering idiot libertarian has been a long time supporter of oil and gas over peoples rights. I know that's hard for you mouth watering libertarians to wrap your head around, but fface it paul is one of the biggest shills in the house for fossil fuels.

Listen . . . our system is flaud and is not sustainable. Our government has squandered social security $ and the unfunded mandates with this health care b.s will cause the states to go bankrupt as well. I'm just glad I live in Texas . . . atleast we still have the balls to stand up and fight for our sovereignty. Good luck to the rest of the country!!!

Ron Paul is pro-free market business and not pro-oil industry. Obama has taken lots more campaign contributions from BP. Paul knows we still need oil and supports off shore drilling and drilling in Alaska so that we don't have to go to Iraq to secure it. He doesn't support the 20 bill escrow fund because the damage could be even more and because this should be handled in the courts, not in secret back room desicions and presidential decree. I'm sure he doesn't support a commission to investigate the spill because that's the best way for a cover up. This should be handled in the courts not in the political quagmire of congress. You people just think left and right grow up and look up.

Not from Texas. He's not a supporter of those industries, he's a supporter of the free market because this method offers the cheapest and most effective options to the customers. Sorry to all the environmentalists out there, but if solar, wind and others were cheap and effective, people would be able to afford them without subsidies. Here's his record for who lobby's him with campaign funds (hmmm, no oil company contributed to his campaign – care to revise your statement?):
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/memsearc…

Libertarians don't see lowering taxes as a subsidy.

The default tax rate is not 100% with government generously allowing us to keep some of our own money.

I'm not an oil fan either and don't really agree with Paul on that bill. I just can't deal with people who see tax cuts as government spending.

Unfortunately . . . he is never wrong:(

You have been blinded by your own ambitions. The health care bill was horrible. It will not reduce costs, did nothing for tort reform, did not offer a single payer system, it did more to give power to the IRS than it did to cut waste and the decisions were made behind closed doors (not on CSPAN as obama-bush II promised during his campaign).

Tax incentives are not subsidies. Subsidies are apportioned for in the budget, i.e. taxpayer money goes out. Tax incentives are reductions to taxes. That may be a fine line, but their is a difference and it is an important fundamental difference. My money and your money should never go to paying for the exploration of natural resources when the government doles it out. If I pay for the gas out of my own pocket, I chose to pay them. If the government doles it out, I don't make the decision. Ron Paul is against subsidies.

Kucinich knew it was horrible too. Why do you think he anguished so much over the decision? No one will ever know–except D.K. & O'bomber–what was promised to D.K. for his vote (Which was NOT the deciding vote after all) on the plane. We have so damn few HONEST and INTEGRITY-FILLED politicians, can't you give this guy a break. My GAWD! It ain't a perfect world as you SHOULD be aware!

Ron Paul and his son — the douche doesn't fall far from the bag. Okay, I got that off my chest. Ron and Rand are both so blinded by ideological purity that they have lost their humanity, moral compass and common sense. Libertarians remind me of people still angry at mommy and daddy for saying NO when the kid wanted to gorge on cookies before dinner. This utopian fantasy of no oversight, no rules, no boundaries and no sacrifice is childish at best and dangerous to all of us at the worst.

Daddy Paul knows not to bite the hand that feeds the Paul Family. The Paul Family does big business with BP and will support them and their profit. Daddy Paul now has is off spring racist son Rand out there pushing the racism/discrimination. Rand thinks he's running for President as he now calls himself King Rand. Daddy Paul positioned him with gold and with inside information made millions. Enough to set up junior who couldn't pass the test for the certification. So like the Bush Family, Daddy Paul said Rand my boy form your own certification board and give yourself a license. Now the idiot son is you betcha a Doctor and God help those who see him for medical help. We have enough rich kids who parents buy their degrees and even licenses. No wonder rich people go overseas for Medical treatment. Sarah uses Canada's free Medical Care now it makes sence.

Yep …. well said.

Oligarchy all around …. what could go wrong?

I must take a bit of issue with what you said: “NO “Change” of ANY kind occurred.”

I do think that O is a SOB. Son Of Bush, politically. O DID change the plodding pace Bush had set for the take over of the US by GB’s dad’s New World Order pals & the plants they have in DC, Hollywood, most media, most colleges & universities & in many state houses. O has sped up the process dramatically.

Either the anti Paul family posters are ‘relatively innocent in their ignorance pleasure unit Obama bots who have little knowledge of what’s going on’ or they are sell outs to the peeps pushing satan’s plan for world wide dominance. Since both types are pre-programed or the programmers by/for lame stream fringe media & or what passes for education theses days, it’s hard to tell the diff.

SamFox

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Cats, get yer head out the litter box.

Ron Paul is a 30+ year CHAMPION of the US Constitution. He has a 100% PRO Const. voting record. Obama’s lobbyist pals don’t even knock on Ron’s door any more. He is the best friend a tax payer could have.

If you value Life, Liberty & the Pursuit of Happiness & want to be a free, responsible adult in a free society, at least look up what Ron Paul has written, his platform & his economic credentials. If you think social Marxist Fascist progressive-ism is hunky dory, then stay ignorant. If the progressive agenda is not checked, you will lose your freedom the same as the rest of us. What? You think the NWO regime will give you a pass because you lick O’s shoes? I don’t think so!

By the way, do you even know what the prog agenda IS???

SamFox

Reason #238,499 why libertarianism is not the answer.

So much for Campaign for Liberty.

What does an investigation into wrongdoing have to do with banning offshore drilling altogether? I genuinely respect Paul but he's excuse doesn't fly here.

I must congratulate you. Rarely have I seen such false information posted on Raw Story. Maybe we should crown you king/queen of misinformation???

Subpoena is the CONgress' ENUMERATED POWERS, NOT the Exec. Which part of that do you NOT get??

Ever wonder why a judge routinely, at least pre-9/11, throws out evidence obtained illegally of a suspect, even IF he's been committed similar crimes before? It's called the rule of law, or whatever the gvt seems to feel it needs to follow at this damn near downfall of our Republic.

Regardless, even with the decline of the American REPUBLIC, IF a civil servant seeks to utilize a legal remedy, do you NOT think he should abide by the foundations of legal instrument that gives him NO such power to do so?

CONgress needs to exercise its ENUMERATED Constitutional power to subpoena, NOT the PRES.

Learn to READ the CONSTITUTION!

THIS, is the EPITOME of retardom:

“Daddy Paul knows not to bite the hand that feeds the Paul Family. The Paul Family does big business with BP and will support them and their profit.”

Only a DAFT imbecile would imply such NONSENSE!

The Pauls HAVE NO BIZ interest in Big Oil. PERIOD.

SO, IF YOU oppose a bill parading itself as a “Protective Legislation to safeguard children, and prevent childporn,” when the bill intentionally filters out ALL websites that provides alternative news, blogs, and opinions, ARE YOU then a pedophile??

Standing FOR FREEDOM, right or wrong, does not make one a promoter of ___ issue.

Jesus frakking Christ, it's like a the man has to be about marijuana legalization for you to take notice of fact HOW important freedom is, as well as nullification. Other than that, you call him racist, corporatist. I mean really, how clueless does one have to be?

Being FOR allowance, does NOT equal advocating it.

Ron Paul has NEVER smoked a joint, or injected any other class I narc. YET he wants legalization and decriminalization. WHY? Because it is NO one else's biz, least of all a gvt's WHAT and WHY you put something into your body. Yes, he is FOR FREEDOM, FOR ALL, regardless of how many other stupid shit you may do with it, or behavior that he may disprove of. As long as you don't physically harm him, it's nobody's business but yours. Capice?

Do we Constitutionalists and libertarian leaning Americans have to spell this out, every TIME?

BP is THE PROMOTER of carbon tax and cap and trade. For frakk sakes, you oBUSHma's CHIEF of STAFF was living in a house PAID FOR by BP. How stupid does one have to be, to fall for this propaganda, over and over and over and over?

“Please sir, can I have another!” You SHOULD bend over and take it, like a rube.

IF you knew anything about gold, you'd know it's a HEDGE against INFLATION, NOT an investment, per se. $1.7 mil, by simply holding onto your hard earned savings is NOT “profiteering” via legislative conflict of interest. WHAT is a conflict of interest is all the assholes in CONgress promoting and passing bills that benefit military industrial contractors in their state, or being an INDICTED SPY, like Jane Harman.

THIS is what happens when you read papers without understanding history, facts, and context. My lord. Do you REALLY know ANYTHING about the Pauls, or their philosophy
you have NO facts, just idiotic opinions.

The CONgress is VOTING to give the EXEC, THEIR powers, as they abdicated their CONSTITUTIONAL role in giving GWB the War Powers.

It is simply ASTOUNDING the level of idiocy existent amongst those of you who still cling to labels you weren't born with; you'd think you'd wake up to the utter CON of false L vs. R. Heglelian dialectical paradigm, after 8yrs of GWB regime.

This is going to be another “Commission” that whitewashes EVERYTHING.

Ron PAUL is the ONLY one willing to put his name on the line and let you know how things work in real life. IT IS the FED.gvt, BOTH under GWB and oBUSHma who promoted offshore drilling at depths unheard of, who put liability caps, in exchange for promoting and supporting Cap and Trade.

Roll back your Tivo prior to the false flag “spill.” look around NYC subway, all you see are how “GREEN” BP is.

The LEVEL to which you are so easily willing to be propagandized and duped is just beyond me.

1. LEARN how economy works in real life. When you can tell me, without googling or wiki, how the PRIVATE banking cartel, the “Federal” Reserve creates “money” by selling bonds, aka, DEBT to foreign nations to buy, without EVER circulating enough currency to pay off debt, as every time the Fed “PRINTS” money, 10% interest is tacked on.

Why is that important? IT FUNDS the Military Industrial CONgressional complex's warfare and welfare state.

I mean really, what the hell is it going to take?

The Pauls do big biz with Big Oil. You know WHO ACTUALLY TOOK MONEY FROM BIG OIL? GWB, oBUSHma, that's whom.

Honestly, THIS is why the LEFT is intellectually vapid. I'm not even bothering with GOP-dittoheads. They're SUPPOSED to be morons.

But, you, who love living under the delusion of self-proclaimed enlightened intellectualism, especially after 8yrs of GWB propaganda, have NO excuse for being willfully duped, just because you believe oBUSHma is an actual “liberal.”

What oBUSHma IS, is a FASCIST, just like Dubya. oBUSHma got MORE money from Wall St. than BUSH and McNut's campaign, COMBINED.

oBUSHma SIGNED off on AIG, and Bankster Bailout to the tune of 24 TRILLION, yes TRILLION, if you knew anything about the FED, you'd know the “TARP” is PR.Bullsh*t chump change for all the idiot fodders to fall all over. Then, he grandstands, and bitches AFTER he SIGNED the bill that ALLOWED AIG to and Wall St. to pay themselves corporatist bonuses.

Really, just how gullible does one have to be?

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I've spent 30 years as a Professor of Business. From this, I've learned that most progressives have little to no understanding of economics but speak as authorities. How much reading of Austrian Economics have you done? My bet is ZERO

Let's just make Obama dictator that'd be a lot easier right guys? You people make me sick, this is the same disregard for the constitution that you guys hated bush for. Now you all feel empowered, so it's okay to you because now it's “your guy” and it's okay to overstep presidential boundaries because he's the good guy going after bad people. Just like the neo-cons said about bush. A president breaking the constitution is the same whether they're a dem or repub. It's congress's job to set up commissions and the courts job to make settlements. Obama received big money from BP and have the same green agenda, if you trust these back room dealings your naive. All this venom at Ron Paul is misplaced, he is standing up for the rule of law no matter what. He's got a spine, big whoop.

I don't care about Carl Menger and the old Hapsburg Empire and all the rest of that crap. I don't care what or how long you've taught. I think you just lost your bet about what I've read. I'm not into “creative destruction” or “shock doctrine” economics. I'm not into “individualism” dynamics or free market flows. I still maintain that libertarians and their ilk are wrong headed and blind.

Solar, wind and other alternate energy would be cheap if it had the tax incentives, favorable legislation, collusion of industries, government support and protection like Big Oil has had for over 100 years. Just add the cost of the Pentagon Budget (now 800 billion per year) into the cost of a gallon of gas and suddenly it ain't so cheap anymore.

Unless you add the cost of the War Dept. Budget into the cost of protecting Big Oil. Then it ain't so cheap anymore…..

Plus, do you even know that the ONLY requirement for practicing medicine, is a State License, in Kentucky?

Besides Rand PASSED all previous ABO certification. He and other younger doctors were rightfully angry at the fact that the ABO, an arm of AMA, a PRIVATE NON-Sanctioning body, were grandfathering in all the old doctors who passed certification, in late 60's WOULD NOT have to recertify every ten years. IF anything, experience aside, as medical aptitude requires physical dexterity, older people, like driving SHOULD BE REQUIRED to certify, MORE often. So he and others formed their own competing board.

Gee, I wonder WHY and establishment entity would frown upon competition.

Wake the hell up. Besides, AMA were started with Rockefeller seed money for the precise intent to promote eugenics at the turn of the century. AMA and all its subsidiaries are NOT a governing, nor a sanctioning body. They're the BigPharma's version of “GoodHouseKeeping” seal of approval.

IF you actually KNEW anything about history, and banking interests, and ACTUALLY READ, even all the disparaging article in Courier Journal, you'd actually get this fact.

Plus, the whole Rand vs. MADcow, CRA and racist charge. SO, IF you were a black restaurant owner, and IF a bunch of neoNazis in FULL regalia entered your restaurant, before you arrived for a mid-afternoon account check, you don't think YOU should have the right to kick them out??

Plus, IF you're FOR defending neoNazis' right to speak and express themselves, as ACLU have RIGHTFULLY done, several times, does that mean YOU ARE a neoNAZI, too?

This type of childish agenda-ed logic is what Rand DID NOT expect to encounter from a Rhodes scholar, like Rachel Maddow.

By her logic, she and Olbermann should just might as well throw away their adult media career. Their employer, GE who partially OWNS MSNBC, NBC empire, are one of THE BIGGEST Military Industrial Contractors around. They make jet turbine for bombers, guidance sys, among others. Their paychecks are LITERALLY PAID for with BLOOD of MURDERED CIVILIANS of now, THREE SOVEREIGN NATIONS: Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.

OOh how those NBC employees LOVE murdering innocent wedding attendees in AfPak, and call them Taliban terrorists afterward.

Plus, yes let us truly speak of RACIST. Rachel Maddow.

By YOURS and HER logic, she IS the EPITOME of a racist.

Just who the HELL do you think Cecil Rhodes, of Rhodes Scholarship name sake is? HE IS the eugenicist, genocidalist, UK-colonial envoy that set UP the APARTHEID State of South Africa, not to mention BLOOD DIAMOND and GOLD, narcotics trade AND the FIRST concentration camp, which the American gvt followed suit with the Am.Indians, then the Nazis, then the Japanese, then the Israelis.

So, by Rachel MADcow, having her education SUBSIDIZED with bloodmoney of a racist genocidalist, what does that make her? Rand hasn't accepted any money from a REAL apartheidist. Her ENTIRE professional pedigree is based on the fact that she's an Oxford educated Rhodes Scholar. She owes her entire adult life to a REAL RACIST, EUGENICIST, Apartheidist, Cecil Rhodes.

How you like THEM REAL FACTUAL Apples?

So you think it's all honky dory, IF Hitler setup a scholarship fund in his name? Will that “generous” act wash him of all his crimes? Oh wait, The Bush CRIME Family apparently did so, except for the name. It's called the USO. Yes, the group most associated for providing court jesters and useless entertainers to the frontlines, were formed as a CONSOLATION prize, AFTER PRESCOTT Bush, their grandpa were CONVICTED under Trading with the Enemies Act. Yes, USO was setup as a PR stunt so the American sheeple idiots would overlook the fact that the BUSHES' money come from ACTIVELY FINANCING ALL Hitler's atrocities. And forget they have.

Yet, your beef is with a family who is solely responsible for kickstarting a genuinely grassroots peaceful freedom awareness movement in America in modern times, because you don't know anything, and love a talking head on tv who had her entire adult life paid for by murderers? Not to mention just loving a Pres. whose FIRST JOB was with the War Criminal, Kissenger?

Yes, oBUSHma's FIRST JOB out of college was with Henry Kissenger Asshole-ciates. NOT to mention working for Business International Corp. a KNOWN CIA front company.
Just ask John Pilger, next to Sy Hersh, one of the few REAL investigative journalists alive. Oh and by the way, Pilger IS a self-professed socialists, so he WOULD know the difference that oBUSHma, as was GWB are FASCIST-CORPORATISTS.

See, YOU WOULD think the Pauls are racists, corporatists, PRECISELY because your statements tells me that YOU and many other liberals and “conservatives” are UTTERLY IGNORANT of history, facts, or deductive analytical reasoning. You know, the simple, baseline requirements, in order to conduct an adult objective discussion and critique?

Nor have you ever, even at a cursory perfunctory level asked yourself the fundamental question of, just what SHOULD the role of gvt ought to be? How does the banking system precisely work, or founded. Why does the warfare/welfare State and Empire CONTINUE to march on to a path toward tyranny.

The Pauls haven't MURDERED anyone, nor legislated, nor signed off on gvt ASSASSINATION program targeting Americans. What, you had NO idea? Lookup what the famed LIBERAL, former Constitutional lawyer Glenn Greenwald on the issue.

SO, many like you, your priority is chewing out a man and his son over issues you have no idea about, but NOT over an administration, in cohoots with WallSt. and BigBiz, and the Military Industrial Complex, that has CONTINUED and EXPANDED ALL of GWB's illegalities and UNConstitutionalities, along with murder and theft, and you're bitching about the most benign people in civil service?

Start opining away, when you have fully considered those. Then you can lecture us all you want. Maybe then, even if we disagree, at least we'd have some historical context to do so under. Otherwise, just keep on keepin'on, and be oh so willfully duped.

oBUSHma=GWB. Capice? NO “CHANGE” of ANY kind occured.

Better yet, maybe you're hoping that oBUSHma exercises his inherited UNCONSTITUTIONAL, illegal, a right of NO-right, from GWB of ASSASSINATING American Citizens; hell GWB cracked jokes over his “inability” to find WMD's. You think oBUSHma cracking jokes about “Predator drones” at possible prospective suitors of his daughters is ANY DIFFERENT??

I “love” this idea that we must drill and mine no matter the cost. After all we “need” the product (oil, natural gas and coal). Frankly, I need clean water, fish, Appalachian Mountains, stable climate and clean air more.

who's the REAL blithering idiot, when you are clearly exhibiting you have NO idea who or what libertarians are, or about. are you so proud that you're a liberal, defending an artificial moniker that you weren't even born with?

There's a difference between permitting vs. advocating. Is ACLU a neoNAZI organization, or promoting their ideology, when they defend their Constitutional RIGHT to express their 1st Amendment? Like wise, permitting ANYONE to pursue their entrepreneurial spirit, be they a small biz, or a big one, is borne out of a principled consistency, which you apparently don't comprehend, nor have any to begin with.

There's nothing more irritating than having an insensate fool attempting to lecture the rest of the world how much smarter than they are, he is not.

Keep embarrassing yourself. I'm sure you'll eventually find your very own merry band of league of extraordinary imbeciles, shills for idiocracy.

I'm so glad you're read THE bible on economic libertarianism.. Von Mises, “Human Action.” I see NO mention of Von Hayek, a nobel economic prize winner. What you're really saying is that you have littler faith in people and great faith in govt to make decisions on behalf of the ignorant populace. That's the bottom line!!!

Are you familiar with Adam Smith's concept of enlightened self interest? If so, how does that fit in with small govt and free market economics which you seem to despise. I've found that most of the left don't seek prosperity for the many but rather control over other's economic decisions.. that is being an authoritarian.

Not too much government in the Gulf as Paul said. Too much oil in the Gulf and way too little corporate responsibility in the Gulf. Capitalism is killing us all except the very few at the top and their lackies in government which vitually includes every member of the House and Senate except for a handful. Kill capitalism before it finishes killing us.

Yes, I'm familiar with Adam Smith's concept of enlightened self-interest which was parlayed by Ayn Rand into her Objectivism philosophy (among many other morphs of St. Adam Smith's mystical hand guiding ye ole marketplace).

I'm a Democratic Socialist and I make no apologies for my view of the world, my politics, or the way I view economics.

Have you ever read Michael Harrington? Have you ever heard of humane, open, sanely regulated capitalism; a capitalism that doesn't exploit, main, and run countries like oh…..say, the United States into an oligarchic ruin?

I think you're here to serve as what — a griefer? Troll? I can't quite get why someone of your apparent philosophy or background would be haunting RawStory.

Prolly not.

Hooray for Paul! The lone dissenting voice among a gallery of criminals and creeps! May he continue to rile, agitate and irritate the establishment! (good enough for you?)

I didn't vote for Ron Paul, but I do support many of his ideas. If people took the time to actually listen to what he was saying – outside of the mainstream media's continuous smear campaigns, I think they would agree with him to. ESSENTIALLY he is saying that for now, we are still dependent on oil, and as is such, we need better precautions / safety procedures in the future. Yeah – Im sure Ron Paul is the sole corrupt being in this situation – the rest are angels.

Wacky as his son!

F.Y.I.: http://tinyurl.com/2em56p2

Paul is a good guy. I know the solution to our problems though. We should create a special class of citizens to represent us. Currently we are represented by the top 10% in most cases. We should create a special class of citizens that cannot own wealth or property. They'd get a standard house, a standard car and a standard education just like us. That would reduce corruption by about 99%.

Unless you move to a cave, cloth your self in leaves, eat only what grows in the forest & light no fires, you are a hypocrite. You may not mean to be, but you are. So are all the enviros who use electricity & 'puters made of plastic.

Al Gore just bought another home, a beach front house in Mexifornia. That should tell you something.

We need oil. Look to Spain for how 'going green' doesn't work.

SamFox

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your absurd reply precisely PROVES captainmoroni's assertions.

SO, you make comments on issues you have not researched, nor fully comprehend, yet you know everything. Way to come off like an insensate fool.

Yes, because naming of relevant key terms to SOUND LIKE you know something, DOES NOT mean you actually read, let alone, understood, nor comprehended what you allegedly read.

Take Naomi Klein, whom I used to respect, of the ShockDoctrine name sake, whom like Paul Krugman (who delusionally believes that destroying the purchasing power of your hard earned dollars in GREAT for the economy, and like Kissenger, received Nobel Prize of complete utter irrelevance), studied and in fact MAJORED in Keynesian economics, has no idea, or is willfully ignoring the DISTINCT difference between TRUE FreeMarket private enterprise (which we never had) vs. corporatist monopolies which fascistically use Gvt to their bidding to parade around as free-marketeers(which we've always had, as the FAILED cycle of boom and bust and RobberBaron THEFTS bear this out, throughout history) and push “freetrade agreements” of IMF/WTO.

IF we are to assume that you actually read Naomi's work, or those of John Perkins, which I absolutely would recommend to anyone, yet at least from the statements you made, you somehow missed the underlying mechanism, and the ROOT CAUSE of all the SYMPTOMS described in each respective author's works; they're result of the inflationary, and INHERENTLY govt-SANCTIONED monopolistic Keynesian policies, without which such monopolies, as well as, the Military Industrial, BigOil, BigPharma, BigAgra, Insurance, CONgressional Complex CANNOT exist. THEY do NOT represent freemarket capitalism. As Mussolini stated so famously, they're FASCISTIC.

And, what's more, you've been, rightfully, soured by last 8yrs of GWB's neoCON's University of Chicago School of [FAKE FreeMarket] Economics, which consists mainly of disgruntled delusional “liberal intellectuals” of the self-professed Trotsky-ite strain, like Bill & Irving Kristol. Plus to these Statist collectivist murderous hacks, they believe in monopoly. And, “freemarket” to them, in line with their socialist past, means “free” money STOLEN from the TaxPayers, as “privatize” to them means taking OUR tax dollars to give to their corporate friends.

So if you didn't, or don't know that YOU DO NOT KNOW something, how would you know there are other options in life?

Are you still so proud of this intellectual handicap?

But you don't care. Yet, you feel justified in talking about it and critiquing others on COMPLETELY baseless grounds.

Really, you read and, indeed understood their works? Clearly, NOT.

If you cannot, without wiki or google, explain to anyone WHY it is that Military Industrial Complex and their artificially induced WARS can only exist in the current Keynesian, FiatMonetary system of the PRIVATE BankingCartel established Federal Researve system, then you know NOTHING about how the world works.

NOR, would you ever be able to change, IF at all your goal, even at a private level in your own circles, or at a macro level, influence your crooks in CONgress, their policies toward justice and peace.

“Menger” and “Hapsburg Empire,” really? You actually thought you were being witty? Oh, how cute.

I suppose if you're simply happy at ranting and telling people off that you know better, then frankly, why the hell should anyone give a damn about what or who you are, let alone think?

EVEN IF, well, ESPECIALLY IF, you disagree, should it not be incumbent upon you to study the “opposing” side, if not intellectually speaking, at least even at a petty level what you may apparently consider more important, to feather your ego, should you want to actually “win” the argument on actual merit?

Because it's really no fun, being so proud of the fact that you're utterly ignorant of an issue, like some GWB “4more years” rah rah, mustached-dumass with mullet who wrote “Get a brain, morAns!” on his placard. And here, I thought you were the self-proclaimed “intellectually enlightened liberals,” no?

So, I guess the HELL with facts, as long as the name of a bill or a description of it sounds good, Who cares, as long as it makes you FEEL GOOD that you did something? Right?

'Cause you know, the two rounds of 'Patriot ActS' that the “constitutional scholar” your Lord oBUSHma sought to RENEW, is ALL about patriotism and catching the real bad guys, right? Oh how I would love to live in your world. Uh… actually we do, and DO NOT LIKE IT!

This would be the reason WHY the slight majority of American sheeple actually willfully deluded themselves into (s)electing a Pepsi slogan of “Hope” and “Change.”

You think that idiotic reality was a symptom, or a cause of the mindset that you've enthusiastically decided to employ?

Irony of ironies, and you thought the “dumb ass GOP rednecks” were the only ones so PROUD of their ignorance. Well, I guess score one for your team! Eh?

-cheerio!

P.S. I'm taking over “red necks” as a term of endearment, and NOT one of disparagement, as so many liberals delusionally do; the term originated from PRO-union Kentucky and West Virginian coal miners who wore Red bandannas to distinguish themselves, who bravely protested BigCoal's anti-union crackdown via the use of then BlackWater equivalent WackenHut mercs. Next time I feel the need to disparage I'll think of you.

“Have you ever heard of humane, open, sanely regulated capitalism; a capitalism that doesn't exploit, main, and run countries like oh…..say, the United States into an oligarchic ruin?”

Is that not the 'free market system'? I know progs like to run down free market capitalism. But first they get into the govt, then over tax & over regulate. After they wreck every thing they walk about like little roosters crowing about how capitalism has “failed”. Then they say that only the govt can take of the mess, the mess THEY MADE.

I do know that no socialist nation has EVER been as great as the USA. That the ONLY revolution that actually set men free & became the world's most successful economic power was OURS.

How did the Russian rev. work out for the PEEPS? Castro's? Chavez's? The French? Not very well.

What do you, as a “Democratic Socialist “, think of the US Constitution? Like it? Don't like it?

Me, I like it it and want it restored.

SamFox

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Murray Rothbard wrote at lenght about the failures of government regulation and how they lead to these exact situations because regulators will target smaller firms stifiling competition instead of regulating equally. it gets to the moral hazard of the cozy corporate government relationship that leaders in both political parties play so well. is anyone suprised that HALIBURTON was the firm resonsible for putting the second concrete seal on the well to finalize the drilling process and prepare it for the extraction rig? any bets that haliburton pays a dime for their hand in this mess?

No such person. Everyone has been wrong at least once, and usually numerous times. The person who was never wrong….never made a decision.

Ditto that. “sped up” DRAMATICALLY is correct.

Be they be adherents of the 2012 prophecy according to their meme, or trying to manifest one into reality, “quickening” definitely is afoot.

Though, chances are, IF McNutt, or HITLERly got in, I'd venture to guess that the pace of quickening would not differ much, as numbers dictate, their engineered economic collapse was set on a crash pattern, long ago.

The only question is, will they instantly crash the dollar, and by short-proxy crash the rest of the global economy dependent on their Fiat Dollar reserve currency; hard or soft landing? I doubt the globalists' SDR can ever take hold, as too many of us are aware by now. I'd imagine, by then, even the Swiss would be insensed enough to confront Bank of International Settlements, at their headquarters.

Or, suppose, they can go for a Hail Mary, and double down with Israel, US, and NATO false flagging an incident to get us into Iran, WWIII ensues, then a full blown, visibly blunt enough military police state at home, obvious enough even for the mass of idiot sheeple to ignore, or then some type of manufactured civil conflict, for good measure.

Or, perhaps the gigantic 2012 solar flare would burn up all electronics and return us all to an agrarian age, short of those with EMP protection.

Crazy times ahead, indeed.

Whatever may come, certainly we're in for a ride. As the cliche goes, hope for the best, while preparing for the worst, to the best of my abilities.

-r3VOLution

I do clothe myself in leaves, and I am typing this on a mud computer

B.S. The technology to build diesel plug in Hybrid cars that can get over 100 mpg on used filtered Wesson cooking oil has been around for 100 years. There is a reason why the Oil Industry, which is intertwined with the auto industry, doesn't want them, they want to reap huge profits from selling a product that consumers believe is the only one. I don't care about Al Gore. What I do care about is not buying into the fossil fuel scam. You obviously are such a sucker. You have to burn fossil fuels so you can have your hot water, duh, the sun just couldn't possibly be hot enough to heat water… Why not do some creative research on the subject before mouthing off about something you obviously know nothing about. Go back to your tar pit cave if you must continue to think like a Dinosaur. Screw your Fossil Oil. You are the fool and sucker when Oil prices jump. You have to have an SUV that burns crappy fossil fuel, don't you Princess? Real Smart investment in this day and age. MoRonn! You are so full of Crap! Duh! But then again, it's your money. If you want to give it to BP… then apparently you have no problem with the gusher or illegal occupations. Thanx for your contributions.

Ron Paul poses as a “LiverTarian” but is just another shill of Big Oil. He campaigned for G.E. spokesman consumption moron Ronald Reagan in the '70's. He's a dinosaur that needs to go away. Big deal, he deLivered babies. They were probably only white babies. Oh, he's got “common sense” because he's against public funding of War. If you are pro Big Oil, then you are Pro War. It goes hand in hand. You are also anti science and believe in Fairies and Trolls. Let's just fill the Space Ship with excess CO2! It won't cause problems! His son is what he's all about but pretends not to be because he's old and trying to be hip as in MTV. Maybe he is hip as MTV. Not saying much there. I prefer the Libertarianism of Jon Gosselin to Ron Paul. Don't let the Pauls get your Liver!

Well, AtlantischeKapieren, then I guess you too, are a giddy Hitler.

I have no other reason to call you that, than to point out your idiotic non-sequitur logic in calling someone something that is not indicative of who, or what they are.

how you like them apples,?

I guess now you, like Schicklegruber, aka Hitler, the self-hating one-quarter jew who convinced a nation of millions that there's no irony to be had when he has no blond hair, nor blue eyes to speak of, yet it was a good thing to murder those that look full to quarter jewish, just like himself, who promoted a bastardized version of the ancient occult gnosis and symbolism, who wrote love letters to the founder of Planned Parenthood and famed turn of the century eugenicist who likened OUR more darker toned American brethren as “animals,” one Margret Singer, whom he astutely thanked for inspiring him to pursue a solution, The Final Solution, not to mention dining on Eva Braun feces, drank her urine for good measure.

You mean you love to do all those things, too? Oh my!

You mean to tell us that, you too are as “honest,” and have no problem telling us who you blatantly hate based on genetics, or hold to what you see as favorable beliefs and practices of Hitler? Are you saying, 'Hey, look at me, I have no proof, but thought it'd be witty, when faced with an intellectually challenging position, I just throw a name around that is sure to get a knee jerk autonomic Pavlovian response!'

I'd show you a Buddhist, Native American, Celtic, or Brahmic 7500+ yrs old UBIQUITOUS ancient symbolism of Swastika, but you'd just delude it's but a mere 80yr old, Nazi Hitlerlicious LSD laced suckably-shaped candy for douchebags, you love to suckle to la la land through a daily walkabout zombie slumber, no?

Let's all pull a Hilter! Oh, how creative and original of you.

As usual, it's always those who cannot deal with their own deeply rooted inability to resolve their insecurities, that lash out with 5yr old kindergartener's response. And, here I thought, only neoCON degenerates like funny Frum, and ditzy Luntz, are the only ones who said idiotic and distasteful things like that.

I am so glad you love Hitler and neoCONs! Good for you. I'll bet you tell that to your loved ones, everynight, too.

Again, no proof, but you're so fond of throwing it around pathetically, I figure, why the hell not? Why shouldn't it work for all! Whoopie!

wow, what a brilliant assessment of issues and of a man you know nothing of.

Bravo! Another imbecile, who is SO proud of his ineptitude, you just had to let us know how much smarter than the rest of us, you are NOT.

You can now join Rove, and “I see no WMD's” WH Correspondent's Dinner joke crackin coke head simian Dubya, to the equally murderous crack-smoked retard who see nothing wrong with threatening non-existent prospective suitors of his daughters with “Two Words, Predator Drones.” How classy of your equally murderous lord and savior who loves making reference to a joysticked murder machine controlled by brainwashed on videogame hacks, to think murdering 1000 wedding attendees is FFFFFUUUUUNNY, to murder just one, alleged “taliban terrorist.”

Hell, you're in better company than we, if you're into utter lunacy and degeneracy.

Yes, the Pauls vs. the BUSH CRIME FAMILY murderous UNConstitutional policy continuing, AND EXPANDING, equally murderous war criminal oBUSHma.

So proud you're on the right side are you?

Really, is this what's come of the so called “intellectually enlightened liberals?”

A model for all.

I'd take the family that hasn't MURDERED, TORTURED, nor promoted such, over the one that's CONTINUING to do so.

Seriously, how brain dead do you have to be? I'll bet he beats you 'cause he loves you, right?
I'm sure you've built a secret shrine for wifebeaters everywhere. Hey, I mean if it's okay for you to throw around unfounded accusations, why the hell not share a little verbal flourish your way, too??

But you apparently love torturers and murderers, right? Ohhh I can just see it now. Jon Stewart will run two videos side by side, come 2012, one side, neoCON morons screaming “4 more yrs, 4 more yrs!” Then, on the left, he'll come across video of you screaming “4 more yrs, 4 more yrs!” to do the neoLiB bidding.

Yeah, you're on the correct side of history. Be proud. Be very proud of your murderer/torturer loving self, over respecting a benign avuncular man.

You say I am into fossil fuels. That would be kinda tuff as there is no such thing. Do you even know where the term came from? You probably believe in 'peak oil' as well. Look who needs to do research…

I have no problem with 100 mpg. None at all. No SUV. I drive an '83 Toyota that has a blown head gasket that I can't afford to fix. Also a 82 F250 6 banger. In fact I agree that there has been a lot of games going on regarding gas mileage & keeping us dependent on gasoline. Like when electric cars were crushed because they worked so well. Video on YouTube. I don't mind using gasoline, but I think a lot more MPG's would result if gas & auto co's would stop the greed. Auto emissions are way down, have been for years. That's a good thing.

Bye the bye, if I could afford solar panels I would have them NOW!! Problem is the US is not even close to being able to run exclusively on alternative sources of energy.

I have no problem with oil, gasoline, coal or natural gas. Yup. I like electricity also. You know, the power source you used to send in yer post. I don't believe in man caused global warming. Other planets go through heating & cooling cycles, just like earth. So how does that make oil bad??

I noticed you tried to act all superior & such, like at soon to be 62 I have not learned anything. I have learned to take low IQ's in stride. Also you made some assumptions that are very wrong. O is the one dragging his feet when it comes to plugging the leak. I think that should have been priority ONE!! But he's of the school that says 'don't let a crisis go to waste'. Now he's trying to further cripple the US economy with his crap & trade scam. I have a problem with illegal occupations as well. But O won't close the borders. Trying to build a larger vote base.

I think, like Ron Paul thinks, that the US does NOT need to have an interventionist foreign policy & we should have been out of the wars by now or close to it, if O had kept his word.

So, how do we replace oil when it comes to plastic? Transportation? Synthetic cloth, vitamins, Rx drugs, which are made from coal tar, as are the fake vitamins?

How about HEMP???? Works for me. Fuel can be made form hemp so we can stop wasting corn on ethanol production. Long list of +'s for hemp AND, dare I say it????

Medical cannabis!!! OH! The cave dweller speaks the unspeakable! OOOOHHH! Hemp & cannabis! Yup. I am an activist for the RE-legalization of both.

SamFox

Good sense of humor y3! But you still hada use electric to get the post up. :-)

SamFox

F you Ron.

You are a raving mad lunatic. Retarded and wrong. Fantasy world freak that thinks corporations can do no wrong and should run government freely.

Go back under your rock.

DK didn't agonize enough. He still voted for an UN-Constitutional of govt take over of health care. It is difficult to cut Kucinich a break when he knows he should have voted nay. How honest & integrity filled is he to be in a place to be pushed around by Obama? EVERY vote was a deciding vote. The 1st one as much as the last.

Ron Paul didn't agonize at all. He voted NO!

SamFox

Hey dip sh*t. My car burns 100% biodiesel, and I conserve all I can. We need oil about as much as dogs need fleas.

We need oil because the oil companies run our government alongside the defense contractors. They force us to use their toxic carcinogenic poison.

Who killed the electric car? That's and easy one.

And he started how many unnecessary wars? Obama is baaaad. Werse than Boosh right?

Venom at Ron Paul misplaced? Where was he when it was time to impeach Cheney? Paul cares about the constitution about as much as Johns care for the who*res.

Ron Paul is part of the problem, and not part of the solution. He can't claim constitution over here, and ignore it over there.

Got any more kool aid Sam????

Paul is a hypocrite who lives in a fantasy world. Plain and simple. Now grow a brain.

I know enough about economics to know that corporate america is killing us, and destroying our families, and they control all 3 branches of government for the benefit of the top 1%. I didn't study anything but reality cap'n. Ask Michael Moore about capitalism. He will surely set you straight. While you are at is ask yourself why Norway has so much higher standard of living, and they don't even have sunlight half the time.

Pure greed = capitalism. Paul's fantasy is America's death.

I understand that humans will kill other humans for their stuff. What does Hayek, Smith, and Rand say about that? Well educated idiots.

Shock Doctrine.

Free Market System?

What are you smoking?

Corporations killing for profit. That is our system. If you like it good for you. Just wait till your insurance is rescinded just after you discover you have cancer. Hope yer happy living in yer van.

Ask the one million casualties in Iraq how great they think America is, and why Osama Bin Laden is respected more worldwide than Bush…..

IN the courts. Just like the 20 years it took for the Exxon Valdez to pay the “plaintiffs” next to nothing after half of them died.

Free market? You mean setting corporations free to rape and pillage right? Kill, destroy families, and pollute at will? Let the “wronged” go up against their lawyers right?

If you believe in the free market, you probably believe in the tooth fairy, the easter bunny, and Santa Claus too.

Our “free market” turned America from the world's largest creditor nation in 1980 to the worlds largest indebted nation.

Free my ass.

Oligarchy is more like it.

But it was a start… At least Obama had the courage to get started…

Wow. You have a lot of issues.

“Don't let the Pauls get your Liver!”

Hahaha. Liver? What the hell…

…Oh, yeah. Go Ron Paul!

Let me remind you what you sound like:

F you RepublicansAreADisease,

You are a raving mad lunatic. Retarded and wrong. Fantasy world freak that thinks corporations can do no wrong and should run government freely.

Go back under your rock.

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And THAT, is exactly what YOU sound like, to the more informed citizenry of this REPUBLIC.

Now, only if that were your real position.

Likewise, that's not Ron Paul's position. I know, I know, like the fat neoCON Nazi, Karl Rove, don't ya just wish if you repeat LIES long enough, it'll magically turn into Reality?

What the CONgress has just voted on, is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. PERIOD.

They're again, abdicating their CONSTITUTIONALLY enumerated powers to subpoena, just like they did under GWB, with the WarPowers Act, to the Executive Branch, just so that they don't have to sustain the controversy.

Now, unlike rest of the MORONS and CROOKS in CONgress, Ron Paul actually READ and UNDERSTANDS precisely what he took an OATH to UPHOLD, PROTECT and DEFEND.

Need I remind all that it was under BOTH GWB and oBUSHma, met with BP, made deals to cap liability to $20 BILLION, initially in exchange for funding his Cap and Trade campaign? Yeah, dummy, it's called a bribe, even in DC.

Seriously, you still haven't figured out how this game is played by these Statist hacks? One admin. propose, the “opposition” party bitch and moan, once the “minority” party becomes the majority, they KEEP ALL acquired powers of the previous regime, then they continue the Constitutional abuse of the previous admin.

Like clockwork, Pavlov's Dopes, whom stupid childish slogan like “HOPE” and “CHANGE” could only be sold to, fall right in line, driven to hate the previous admin, they enshrine the one they believe will fulfill their idiotic non-existent reality.

How else do you think the same people who bitched about the banksters' welfare parade, don't know or cannot admit that oBUSHma, like GWB ALSO BAILED OUT AIG and the Banksters?

Worse? After signing off on AIG bonuses, which IS in the bill that oBUSHma he himself just signed, plays ignorance and proceeds publicly to chew them out for paying themselves bonuses with STOLEN taxpayer money, as if someone else just signed the bill to make that a reality.

How stupid does one have to be, before one admits and realizes that ALL UNCONSTITUTIONALITIES of the previous regime are CONTINUING and EXPANDING under oBUSHma. Oh That's right, it TOOK JON STEWART to put the clips together to remind the morons.

Ron Paul is the ONLY one with unwavering PRINCIPLED INTEGRITY to STAND UP for the Constitution, regardless of which party is in control, nor whatever is politically expedient.

Think, who in their right mind would vote against what seems to want to hold BP accountable for all this mess, unless there's a VERY GOOD Constitutional reason?

Sure, you want to catch a bad guy, why not just plant an evidence? Why NOT torture then fabricate evidence? Ooops, THEY already did it, AND CONTINUE to do so under oBUSHma. I don't see GitMo or Bagram closed, do you? You cool with that, too?

Frankly, your comments tell us more about YOUR own lack of understanding of WHAT the Constitution explicitly enumerates, nor do you really understand the REALITY of ALL CONgressional commissions, be they enact on it themselves, or just utterly ignore their job and hand it to the Executive branch to deal with it. They're ALL coverup and whitewash commissions. YOU THINK ANYTHING discussed in private BEFORE the Spill, by oBUSHma and BP on Cap & Trade, will EVER come to the light in that Commission??

Looking at the roster of comments, you're pretty much representative of just HOW LITTLE understanding of the REAL world you have. Unfortunately, many here share your fate.

It's like you're so used to lying yourselves and utter ubiquity of LIARS in civil service sector, when someone ACTUALLY STANDS UP FOR PRINCIPLE, and UPHOLDS their OATH to protect and DEFEND the Constitution from ALL enemies, foreign and domestic, you turn into shocked mindless drones.

Yes, Virginia. Ron Paul ACTUALLY upholds his OATH, does his job.

The REAL question you should be asking is, how or why does someone, vote so often 420-1. Based on what reasons? The REAL question is WHY AREN'T the REST of the CROOKS and COWARDS in CONgress have the courage that Ron Paul has?

Really, you think he's a “raving mad lunatic,” or is someone who types up such nonsense, without realizing how idiotic he'll come off to those who are a bit more informed about the world, the real raving mad lunatic??

A blathering idiot online, vs. an articulate, curious, Constitutionally aware, medical doctor who takes his OATH seriously?

I am gonna go with the Smart one. And IT ain't you, my friend.

“Ask the one million casualties in Iraq how great they think America is, and why Osama Bin Laden is respected more worldwide than Bush….. “

and guess who's CONTINUING and EXPANDING it? Gee, now ONLY if morons in America knew what the rest of the world knows about oBUSHma.

Jesus, WTF happened to RAW forums? Whatever happened to all the liberals that actually researched issues?

I still have some hope for Ron. His son, however…….

What you hating on the Algore for? He had to have some place to live after leaving his wife.

What you hating on the Algore for? He had to have some place to live after leaving his wife.

Obama is even more obviously a puppet than Bush. He can't use a low IQ as an excuse.

And that's the problem with Libertarians as an alternative to Bushlicans and Obamacrats – I make no distinction as both allow the continued aggregation of wealth and power in fewer and fewer private corporate hands (through M&As and bail-out fixes) and spend the nation's wealth on propping up those who fail in the name of “protecting” the “system” – a system that clearly doesn't work.

Libertarians offer no solutions to any problems, just the diminution of government to the point of impotence before the power of aggregated private wealth in the form of individuals and corporate interests. It sounds good when they talk about getting government out of our private lives, reducing taxes, and sounding all democratic-like (who could object?) but, the implication of their ideology includes the privatization of public services and reducing representative government power to a level below that of non-representative private power. That is, it is profoundly anti-democratic. It is, in fact, a recipe for a new feudalism where all public power is, once again as it was in centuries 10-15, in (brutal) private hands.

Jesus, Jackie. He's an opthamologist, or an optometrist, I forget. You'd better be nice to him, or he'll give you a really wobbly pair of glasses!

I know about the infernal Cecil John Rhodes and I don't trust anyone who who went to Oxford on a Rhodes scholarship, for exactly the reasons you stated. Bill Clinton was a Rhodes scholar, too.

They seem to have forgotten about our guns. Shouldn't the quickening at some point involve taking all of our guns? Yeah, good luck with that!

Everyone is guilty of using oil and its by products. To say I don't have a right to be critical of how our energy is obtained is ridiculous. What I'm saying is the idea that because we need a product it should be obtained no matter the environmental cost is wrong. If the environmental cost is too high then we need to use alternatives.

By the way I can hunt food, make shelter and start fires without so much as a modern knife. :-)

Everyone is guilty of using oil and its by products. To say I don't have a right to be critical of how our energy is obtained is ridiculous. What I'm saying is the idea that because we need a product it should be obtained no matter the environmental cost is wrong. If the environmental cost is too high then we need to use alternatives.

By the way I can hunt food, make shelter and start fires without so much as a modern knife. :-)

What are you talking about? Don't be so GAY for Ron Paul. Ron Paul is all about Ronald Reagan. Reagan's vice Prez was H.W.Bush… uh Leader of BushCo – Bush family fortune obtained from funding the Nazi's before & during WW2. Ron Paul is a douche. “Government is bad” they want the U.S. citizenry to be apathetic and believe solely in consuming corporate products as voting. How is that working out? Now we have oil running rampant in the gulf of Mexico. There are solutions to stop it from hitting the beaches yet BP is in control of it all and continues their incompetency. All you Paul Supporters advocate off shore drilling and self regulation of the dirty Oil Industry that is sucking “the little people” dry? Oil on the beach isn't torture enough for you? God forbid the U.S. Government get involved with Adam Smith's all holy invisible hand. Sure, the Marshall Plan was bullshit wasn't it? Ask Western Europeans about it.
Go Jon Gosselin! He never tortured anyone… well, actually, he kind of tortures us all, but NOT AGAINST OUR WILL!!!

Ron Paul speaks eloquently at times but in my opinion he is not to be trusted, just as Obama wasn't to be trusted, but Obama is an all out Liar. Paul is all about Ronald Reagan who was totally into foreign intervention and Military Industrial Complex. I don't know how anyone can call themselves a Republican these days. A huge problem is Big Oil, they are worse than “Big Government” because they own the Government. Big Oil and various synthetic manufacturers like DuPont and others have created markets for Oil products (polyester), especially during the 1930's when they outlawed Hemp in all forms. The Ford model A could run on ethanal (also outlawed in the 30's for a while) or gasoline. The plastic knobs on the model A were made from Hemp. When Ford was older, his personal cars were actually made out of Hemp and they proved to be superior than sheet metal. Check out the famous YouTube of him slamming a sledge hammer onto his Hemp fender and watch the sledge bounce back causing no damage. Hemp is a huge part of the various solutions out there. Flax is another solution that has been whisked under the rug by modern industry. Consider SolventFreePaint.com, I'm very impressed with their products and info. I just wish these great products could be grown here in the US so we didn't have to import them from Sweden. As far as Solar goes check out http://www.builditsolar.com/Experimental/PEXCol…
for info on how to have inexpensive sustainable hot water. Solar hot water is more simple and cost effective than PV for electricity. For electrical power you can have a reliable Lister engine that will run on almost anything or have a wood gasifier hooked up to a chevy 350 and generate a 40KW genset at 1800 rpms and make use of the antifreeze heat as well. Then there is steam power, another energy source that was squashed after ww2. Wish I could help you with the Toyota head gasket. At least it's a relatively easy engine to work on compared to the crap they put out nowadays. I've got a sitting F150 with the 4.9 L straight 6 as well. Would like to wood gas it… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSgL0Ie4zrI Try to hold onto those older vehicles, easier to maintain and repair.
Too many projects and I'm trying to get my 82 Jetta diesel on the road so I can have a 45 mpg no computer SVO cruiser… painted with organic anti rust Flax oil paint with a brush. And if i could legally grow Hemp 14' tall to harvest the seeds twice a year to press into fuel oil for the car and diesel generator- I would. Fossil Oil deserves to go the way of the dinosaurs. I'm against Ron Paul's argument about the Gulf Gusher. Send in the U.S. military to seize the rig, collect evidence and put BP on trial to figure out who screwed up, with U.S. tax dollars find the best experts from Exxon, NASA or whoever to deal with the Gusher, install a chimney over the pipe, buy Kevin Costner's oil separators, start mass producing them and give them to the Coast Guard and make them use them per manufacturer's instructions (which is what BP is NOT doing) and Marshall Plan the whole situation with open media. Obama is an oil shill as well. He hasn't done crap, probably because BP helped him get into office. Screw the politicians that are beholden to Big Oil and Screw Big Oil as best you can. Don't waste your hard earned money on them. First thing Reagan did when he got into office was to pull Carter's Solar Panels off the roof. His vice prez was CIA nazi HWBush. Ron Paul is/was a Reagan supporter? Screw him! And screw “shock doctrinater” Milton Friedman. I'll vote for Jon Gosselin over the Lot of them. At least there is lovely Cannabis.

But you don't.

okay, for the woefully uninformed and misinformed, for the last time, say it all together now, with chorus:

Who has the SUBPOENA power, kids?

1. the CONgress
2. The Pres. via signing Executive Powers, to allow activities for powers NOT enumerated under the Constitution?

Ding, Ding, Ding.

TIME'S UP!

Answer?

1. The CONgress!!!

Now, only IF they actually taught civic lessons, we'd be getting that answer from 4 yr olds.

INSTEAD, what we get are grown adults blithering moronic, uninformed, MISinformed comments singularly based on an article's authors assertions, as if they have ANY clue, take it on face value.

Makes one wonder, DO ANY of YOU, whom I assume to be over the age of 18, EVER READ ANY fineprint in ANY contracts you sign??

READ the CONSTITUTION. While it IS a Constitutional Power, The Pres. CANNOT STEAL an EXPLICITLY ENUMERATED Constitutional Powers of ANOTHER branch, for himself.

oBUSHma is doing this via EXECUTIVE Power assignment, NOT an act of CONgress:
WATCH, and LEARN: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIAwZRm5AoE

Get the answer, correct? Your toddler won't LAUGH at you, in bewilderment.

Get it wrong? YOU win a locked caged that plays O'Reilly and Sean INSANity, and Barnie the Dinosaur, on loop, your very own GitMo! You too can share what GWB and oBUSHma both thinks of YOU: ahahaa, the hell with laws! Assassinating Americans, kidnapping you, detaining you secretly and indefinitely, without habeas corpus, nor due process, and torturing, is good for the State!

Enjoy the “CHANGE,” ya fools.

“Don't be so GAY for Ron Paul” pretty much sums up your level of intellect.

Apparently, you cannot read, nor google. Nor, understand that Ron Paul, who turned his support AWAY from Reagan once he went on a Statist expansionist rampage, deficit spending, arms build up, Iran Contra, etc.

You don't even understand how basic economics work, the mere fact that you delude those who respect Ron Paul to be some disciple of Adam Smith is moronic. Unlike you, most of the objective, grownups of the world learn to discern info, learn from various sources without having to worship an idiotic cult of personality like oBUSHma.

With Ron Paul, we RESPECT HIS VOTING records, speeches and writing; we don't respect him out of slogans and Pepsi ads.

One can call you all manner of idiotic kindergarten names, but as I am not petty, nor would I lower myself to that. Nor, does throwing unfounded charges make it real, despite HOW MANY TIMES YOU REPEAT IT, like Rove.

Again, HIS VOTE is ABOUT Constitutionally enumerated RIGHT of CONgress to subpoena, vs. The Executive Branch STEALING that prerogative by Executive Fiat.
Capice?

And WTF is your OBSESSION with Jon Gosselin?

Please, child, the adults are talking. Now go sit in the corner and be quiet.

“Paul is all about Ronald Reagan who was totally into foreign intervention and Military Industrial Complex.” THIS is WHY, you have NO clue who Ron Paul is.

That statement is LAUGHABLE. Ron Paul damn near patented the term “Non-Interventionist,” at least in the modern parlance.

Since you're so up on green, google how many airborne nuclear tests all nations of earth have done, since 1945. Then ask yourself what the half-life of nuclear particulates are.

And google pictures of Martian Polar Icecaps, as discovered, in MID-1990's. Then compare that with the 40% reduced size of the same polar icecaps.

Now, ask yourself, did a bunch of rednecks drive SUV's on Mars?

It's the SUN, the SUN, the SUN. It goes in cycles. Anthroprogenic Climate change is a SHAM. Period.

Obviously petrol is dirty, there are PLENTY of zero-emission energy source that the FEDs have raided and BigOil hired out mercs to MURDER over, case in point Eugene Malove of MIT, not to mention countless others.

The Problem isn't oil, itself. It's the globalist scums stealing gvt, using it to their ends. Your environmental lean is commendable, but unless you understand the underlying mechanism of fiat currency, City of London and Wall St. banksters and how they fund the Military Industrial Complex, you can collect and convert a million diesel to bio-diesel, which I plan on getting as well, you're not going to change it.

We have a POLITICAL block, not a scientific, nor one of lack of human ingenuity.

It's the MILITARY IND.COMPLEX USING Gvt to do their bidding, capice?

And you idiotically attack the ONLY honest soul in CONgress, without ever researching his positions, his writings, or philosophy.

Beyond all the other verbiage I've expand on the issue and Ron Paul here, unless common logic is lacking, or willfully blocked when reading something, that's the best I can hope for of anyone who is insensately myopic on issues they have no macro grasp over.

Please keep your Texas loonies to yourselves. The rest of the world thanks you.

“govt take over of health care.”

And you’re calling someone else “blinded”?

This is great. I've hit a raw nerve. It seems that I've gotten into your unconscious and scooped out a whole lot of early childhood rage. I note that other people who have commented here have been spared your wrath, so that makes me 'special.'

I have the power to piss you off. Oh my <rubbing hands together> how can I get 'them' going today??

Look how long your reply is to me. Check out your need to denigrate my intelligence. I must really frighten you. Such venom is usually saved for a thrust at a true enemy, not someone you don't even know who happens to disagree with your politics. If you think one lone Democratic Socialist on Rawstory demands this kind of vitriol, I think the problem lies in your head. You seem unbalanced.

BTW, you're wrong about Naomi Klein. You haven't read her book. Or if you did happen to thumb through it, you mistook her critique of Milton Friedman's predatory free market capitalism by examining the results of its practice then made the assumption she's a Keynesian propagandist. She got under your skin too. Somewhere deep inside, you know Klein is right and that scares you.

You're nothing but a ranting poser. The incoherence of your diatribe and the free-association bilge pump dump you mistake for courteous discussion sets you upon the shoulders of greats such as Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. Two more who are of unsound mind.

Shock Doctrine economics is– in part — an examination of Milton Friedman's Chicago School of Economics (free market, unregulated predatory capitalism) and the work of his university acolytes in South America. Friedman was asshole buddies with Pinochet and didn't seem to mind Pinochet's “disappearing” of those who rebelled against his (read Friedman's) draconic economic practices. The same was duplicated in Argentina. Friedman, et al. ran at least two South American countries into the ground.

There are two or three commentators on this thread who I seem to have a lot of power over. It's fun poking a sharp stick at them. I wonder what vituperation we'll all have to look forward to after this post of mine gets read.

Well Written.

Well said. Kudos. Amazing how easily the statist media plays those who live in 2-party fantasy land. I've read the constitution & studied fundamental law. Ron Paul is right on target with his NO vote. What congress is seeking to do is UNconstitutional (big surprise)! Too many have taken the BLUE PILL…

Nope, you've not hit a “nerve,” just my funny bones.

Oh, how cute. Sorry darling.

I know you want to feel “special” like many accidents of the BabyBoomer progeny. And, perhaps the fact that you consider my verbiage a “rant” as the type to certify your “special” status, either points to your delusion, or I'm type-exchanging with a silly, but precocious, 39yrs old child.

But, I regret to inform you, you're not that special. Nor, was I making any amicable, or otherwise assertions to that effect. Nor, do I particularly value my own personal non-existent need to feel as such, as it's irrelevant and displaces personal worth in the hands of others' approval, which you seem to exhibit a need for such, in volumes.

Plus, don't take this the wrong way(well actually I don't really care…simply consider the phrase a communicative formality) but I tend to be a bit long winded(could use an editor), and relatively type fast, so the length of my verbiage does not automatically imply that I consider my dance partner to be any more, or less, worthy than others.

A rudimentary psych 101 student would tell you, that you're displacing your own internal fulfillment need to feel “special.” But, I'll let your dimestore psychology slide, 'cause your cat pix avatar is too adorable. And, I do mean that. Really Really.

Want to continue the dance? Read past the line, below.

Otherwise, really, just tell your self you've “won,” and just be glad that you got to have the lastsay, as that seems to be your primary concern; you have no intellectual merit, at least as far as the topic at hand is concerned.

So, you can keep telling yourself how important you are, and I'll repeat the same in private, 'I was wrong, and about My3Cats,' 50 times. And, just maybe, like Karl Rove, if you repeat it long enough, I'm sure it'll come true.

-Cheerio

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So, My3Cats,

More apropos of this discussion, the fact that you wrote this:

“Shock Doctrine economics is– in part — an examination of Milton Friedman's Chicago School of Economics (free market, unregulated predatory capitalism) and the work of his university acolytes in South America. Friedman was asshole buddies with Pinochet and didn't seem to mind Pinochet's “disappearing” of those who rebelled against his (read Friedman's) draconic economic practices. The same was duplicated in Argentina. Friedman, et al. ran at least two South American countries into the ground.”

tells me that you have NO clue what you're talking about, nor even actually READ what I wrote, as I was precisely making the same point you made there; just went one step further, to clarify a distinct difference between what REAL FREE Market is, and what Milton Friedman, and U of Chicago's ISN'T.

Klein is a KEYNESIAN. Why is she an adherent of a specific economics ideology? Because, DESPITE her two generations of commie parents and grandparents, and a spoiled mallrat childhood, she MAJORED in Economics.

Milton Friedman shares some Austrian tendencies, but is NOT an Austrian economist, in the tradition of Murray Rothbard, Ludwig von Mises, or Henry Hazlitt. NOR is Ayn Rand an Austrian.

Do you understand the concept of nuanced discernment and distinction??

And, unlike you, I actually studied and followed Naomi Klein's works for years: I've read, watched, and listened to most of her writings, lectures, interviews, even those on Majority Report, of early Air America Radio days, as well as DemocracyNow, and her hubby's documentary “The Take.”

Yeah, I actually DO know her work. Apparently, FAR more than you claim to be.

Not that, ANY of that matters, but I'm only pointing out, 'cause you're making a lot of unfounded assumptions, which is pretty much what you've shared on this thread, just assumptions, without actually researching or understanding anything.

Yes, I know, I know. It sucks to actually have to research an “opposing” position to realize that there are subsets and distinctions within that philosophy, as with all other things in life, people are not automotons. This is precisely why YOU my dear, are a COLLECTIVIST.

Assumptions that people who may share similar views do not vary in degrees, is a simplified childish notion, to aid simpletons to understand things easier by labeling them like liberals, conservatives, etc.

I, and those like me, do not view the world in “groups,” nor distinct derivative rights thereof. We just see the individual. Even within your own meme, REALITY is, without individuals making up a group, there is no collective, anyway.

Like the Clintonites' DLC of the Dems, vs. DemocraticUnderground, the Greens, etc., even amongst libertarians, they distinguish Koch Industry(BigOil) funded CATO and Reason Mag, as the “Beltway Libertarians,” vs. Ron Paul's Misian, Rothbardian, Rockwellian strain of libertarianism, paleo-conservatism, the OldRight, to anarcho-capitalism, etc. But, at the end of the day, they're just labels.

No need to belabor all this, but the biggest irony is, my silly misinformed dance partner, I am NOT your enemy, just because I am FOR sticking to the Constitution, EVEN when at times it seems politically non-expedient, as Ron Paul is doing here. Nor, does it make me or Ron Paul a BP cheerleader.

As I've asked above, you DO understand the distinction when ACLU defends NeoNazis's 1st Amnd RIGHTS, that they're NOT NeoNazis, right??

I know, I know, such distinctions are a more mature analytical conceptual apparatus employed by adults when discussing nuanced issues. I know it's hard. But, stay with me here.

You “sound” like you're familiar with John Perkins' works, as well. Yet, you somehow cannot see what the hell is going on, simply astounds me: oBUSHma is a PUPPET of Wall St. You know, the same people whom Perkins used to work for? oBUSHma's FIRST job out of college was at the Kissenger ASSHOLE-ciates, not to mention his “lost” years at a little known company called Business International Corp, a known CIA FRONT COMPANY, like Brewster Jennings. Just ask John Pilgers, last of the few REAL investigative journalists ALIVE, who just happens to be a self-professed unapologetic socialist.

His whole cabinet might as well be GoldmanSUX, DC branch. GoldmanSUX which partially finances BP is THE PROMOTER of Cap and Trade.

IF you ACTUALLY understood just HOW important the PRIVATE Federal Reserve IS, to the TWO party system of warfare/welfare it finances is, especially in regard to the Latin American examples Klein speaks of, you would NOT be making idiotic accusations of positions I never advocated, nor have you been able to extend your intellect to nuance.

Latin America and Eastern Europe was THEIR, the Private Federal Reserve Banking CARTEL, IMF/WTO, City of London and Wall St. Banksters' , BETA TEST of what they are doing TO US, now, and the Western World. Capice?

Like Caesar, once he ran out of other nations and tribes to conquer, he unleashed his legion, as he crossed the Rubicon, BACK unto to those whom empowered him to “serve.”

THIS is what CORPORATISM is all about. They've USED oBUSHma to DUPE you into believing he's some grassroots candidate, when FACTUALLY he received MORE money from Wall St. than McCain and GWB's previous campaign COMBINED, to get their way, regardless of who resides in the Executive's ovular office.

ARE YOU SEEING THE PICTURE?

IF you actually READ and COMPREHENDED John Perkins' works, what DID he say about IMF, WTO, USAID, and our foreign subsidies to countries like Israel, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, etc?

Obviously, I've read Shock Doctrine, as IF I didn't, I wouldn't know she'd be echoing Perkins works, n'est-ce pas?

What you clearly don't understand is JUST WHAT THE HELL the FEDERAL RESERVE is,
Why it is that Ron Paul people want to Audit, then END IT,
Nor, why WE RESPECT Ron Paul, as the ONLY one who UPHOLDS his OATH to protect and DEFEND the Constitution, AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, foreign AND DOMESTIC,
And, WHY we were, and are, CONSISTENT in criticizing and scrutinizing ANYONE, regardless of Party, or administration, equally. UNLIKE YOU, who is fixated on labels, and NOT issues.

IF you actually knew what Ron Paul stood for, WHAT the Austrian School adherents or partial adherents agree on, or why FREEDOM principles are the only things that matter as there are only TWO sides in this fight, US, yes including the not so “special” you, and me, the FREE Humanity, vs. the City of London and Wall St. Banksters whom FUND the AngloAmerican Empire, and their sycophants in DC.

THAT's all that matters. It's about FREEDOM vs. TYRANNY.

Yet you want to engage me in a non-debate debate on the finer points, or lack thereof, of your dimestore psychology, idiotic Naomi Klein, NOT getting what Perkins is ACTUALLY talking about, nor being embarrassingly proud of the fact that you understand NOTHING about how the REAL world works, or how economics work, IN REALITY, yet like a dummy GOP repugnant ditto-head, you cannot WAIT to tell the rest of the world, how much smarter than us, you are NOT.

You honestly think you're being any better than a Rush Limbaugh-dittohead, when all you're doing is repeating memes, NOT of your own origin, nor even those issues that you do want to CHALLENGE others on, yet you're woefully indolent and misinformed, in the age of google, to NOT even bother to actually understand what you or who you want to challenge?

You can now join all the neoCON idiots like InSANITY, O'Reilly, or better yet, Bill and Irving Krisol, as the original neoCONS were disgruntled FAKE “liberals” of the socialist Trotsky-ite strain.

To make a long story short, I could have just typed the first sentence in the above post, and finish off with the last paragraph of this one, and come off more like a one liner, but you asked, and I got wordy.

So, yes, I've actually read and understood what Naomi Klein wrote. However, I am CERTAIN, you've NEVER READ Hayek, Mises, Hazlitt, or Bastiat. Nor do you understand their works, not that their works should matter to you, but if you're going to challenge others who have read it, it's just common sense.

But I'd like to leave this on a more generous, instructive mode.

I'd higly recommend that you read Naomi WOLF's works, then perhaps you'll get a better sense of who we are, where we agree on, or where we DISagree on. And yet, wouldn't you know it, we invite her to speak at our events, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T AGREE on everything, but what UNITES US, our PASSION for Liberty/Freedom issues, and the need to bridge our shared philosophies where we can FAR outweigh our minor differences to approach.

But, come now, kitty, you and I BOTH know, that you're wrong and don't want to admit it.

So here's what I'll do. I'll repeat “I was wrong” fifty times. I'm sure that'll change reality.

I know you just want to have the last say. Well, you can have infinite number of those, as I bear no ill will, nor do I ever hold a grudge, or harbor misbegotten disdain for anyone, as no stranger matters that much to me.

Thus, I bid you adieu, my cute avatar-ed pussycat.

Speak away with your infinite lastsays.

Well! One must naturally defer to your self awarded superiority and, indeed, Limbaughesque talent for bullying.

I maintain that I *did* hit a nerve — I didn't start this round of shit slinging, captainmoroni (accent on the 'moron'-i) did. I merely had my say then went on to read other bloggers. I don't see here where other bloggers have received your wrath, so apparently I did get to you and Moron-i in some capacity.

I have my view of the world and you have yours. We are not going to change each other's minds. I don't have the need to bully others in this forum for not agreeing with me. However, if somebody starts shit with me, I will respond to them in kind.

I suggest you and Moron-i go to other sites where you're P.O.V. is more in line with the views expressed there.

You aren't going to change any minds here, and to return and keep on beating people up with shit I (for one) think is egregiously flawed can only mean that you need someone or someplace to engage in verbal abuse.

Oh, and yes, my Avatar is very cute. BTW, did you see the movie AVATAR? You remind me of the Colonel.

Free markets linked with governments (i.e fascism) will bring about wars. But free markets linked with small government under the control of the sovereign people will have little incentive for war. Big government leads to more wars.

What you're descibing is NOT freemarkert capitalism but corporatism (fascism). And your are right ontrack once you realize this. You have bought into the misinformation that what you see in America today is free market capitalism.. the way to destroy this is by havibg fascist thinking corporations link with and buy up government.

That is why you need to study the writings of Von Hayek and Von Mises. The two book I recommend to shot cut your learning is 1. Road to SERFDOM BY VON HAYEK (TOP OF AMAZON LIST0 AND 2. SOCIALISM BY VON HAYEK. IF YOU BUY USED COPIES FROM AMAZON, IT WILL COST YOU LESS THAn $20. Best money you will ever spend.

this is your idea of “respond to them in kind?”

thanx for the laughs.

For our last tango, read below. If not. be on your merry way. I wish you luck.

you know I've long moved on from your above post, but since the automatic comment alert from DisQus was sent to my email, I'd like to leave you with the following, before you go on about your merry way with having your infinite number of “last-says”:

granted, as I've said before I type fast and tend to be verbose, something I am working on, but it's obvious you've never read anything I wrote in full.

granted, I don't expect you to, either. but, would consider it a common courtesy if you've made the active decision to reply, anyway.

when you learn to discuss issues in an informed manner and actually comprehend what even your “opponents” are challenging you with, in an intellectually honest, truthful manner, perhaps then we can dance together with a more fluid cadence.

but since you equate “shit” slinging with someone paying attention or “hitting a nerve,” I guess when your insecure internal dimestore psychological need to fulfill your “someone considers me 'special'” quota for the fiscal quarter has apparently been filled by my verbosity, you should consider my “shit slinging” a daily fix, for your inner neurosis.

you, my dear, should be thanking me.

challenging ill-informed sheeple, is not “bullying,” it's called a wakeup call, an intellectual reflection to the rationale and underlying basis for your guiding assumptions.

Plus, depending on how arduously one ends up defending one's own beliefs, it's revealing how deeply rooted one's beliefs truly are. and, from the your return “shit slinging” it's pretty self-evident to anyone informed, that your rationale, kitty, I regret to inform you, is not that deeply thought out.

I understand it's a difficult concept to fathom, but I have an open invitation for ANYONE to prove me wrong based on merits, and objective, as humanly possible, intellectually sound rationale; I have ZERO problem admitting that I was wrong to ANYONE, on ANY issue, if proven wrong. but, you and I both already know that you're gliding on superficial waters.

yes, I have watched Avatar, quite enjoyable.

you know whom you remind me of? Giovanni Ribisi's character, a man who could not admit he was wrong, though he knows deep down he is. Yet, he's willing to sacrifice the lives and an entire culture of sovereign sentient beings, to be not caught with that lie.

which, you are proving again to everyone reading any of your “shit-slinging,” that you lack the self-reflective nature of a truly enlightened person, you know, like the Naavi?

anyone informed can observe that not one of the views you've expressed here, has any original progenesis.

I guess it's part and parcel of your generation, to consider passionately opposing views to be “bullying.” sad really, how little self-respect you have for yourselves:

because IF you were completely solid in the foundation of WHY you believe, WHAT you believe, nothing I, nor what ANYONE else may throw your way, be it ideological or philosophical, it shouldn't bother you. AT ALL.

So, yes, my little child, you would consider any challenge to your minor intellectual “authority” a bullying.

See how I'm consistent? I am in no way TELLING you to believe one thing or another. That, WOULD BE “bullying.” I am merely challenging the basis for your assumptions. and of course, you'd equate that with challenging your very self in a personal manner.

all this? while I may come off to you as brash, brazen or obnoxious, IF anyone challenged my beliefs, or underlying premise, I in no way would take it personally. Because I'm not bothered by those who have never fully considered why they believe what they believe, to be of any merit to begin with, why should I care?

I'm sure despite the difference in conclusions, IF you took time to really consider in your own private moment of quiet solitude, you'd come to the same conclusion, at least about the mental processes in how one comes to ___ conclusions or beliefs, about anything in life.

you've written earlier that you're unapologetically a “democratic socialist.”

now. would it make you feel ironic or perhaps even Kafka-esque, to find out that Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, Lenin as well as Trotsky were ALL FINANCED by the Wall St. and City of London banksters of the Anglo-American EMPIRE, as a controlled opposition?

you know the same people that John Perkins, and Naomi Klein speak of, in using their “compassionate” PR image of IMF-WTO and World Bank to engineer a blowout of “3rd world” economies, by DESIGN in reality? you know the same Anglo-Am.banksters that also funded the rise of Mussolini(google newly released UK MI5/MI6's archives as reported in TheGuardian, DailyMail, TelegraphUK, and Times of London), and Hitler (Union Bank and Prescott Bush)?

Check out Russ Baker interviews on KPFK Pacifica Radio's Guns and Butter, on the Bush CRIME Family. Yes, I'm sure a Limbaugh-dittohead would guide you to that. Which tells me of your utter confusion as to where someone like me “fits-in” in the neat simpleton political model of your black and white world view: you know, someone who is ACTUALLY FOR REAL green policies, NOT Cap and Trade CarbonTAX setup by REAL corporatist monopolies that privatize profit and socialize losses, like BP, ENRON, Haliburton, GWB, Al Gore, and Wall St.'s CURRENT PUPPET, oBUSHma?

By the way, do you even know that BP IS the reason why we now have the artificial borders that we now call Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iran, Iraq, and Israel? You DON'T FIND it suspicious that oBUSHma had the same secret “energy meeting” that Dickhead Cheney and GWB, AND Al GORE had with Ken Lay's ENRON? You think it's any different now that the party in charge “switched?”

you can google legitimate sources, you know like the CONgress' National Archives, as well as the more independent George Washington University's National Security Archives, as well as numerous other truly independent researchers to verify ALL of the above listed assertions.

ALL of this should tell you, just how WOEFULLY uninformed, and MIS-informed, your political views are.

Worst of all, what is sad is, I AM sure you're a sweet well meaning person, in real life.

What is vexing however, is many like you go on internet rants, based on something, when and IF a person who is more informed on the issues hear, sounds like an embarrassingly petulant child screaming at her mom, out in public, to get the “correct flavor” of icecream from the vendor, as other families look on in astonishment at the utter lack of self-control, respect, and courtesy.

The very people you believe you're “fighting against” at least, from your keyboard, are the very people that helped develop and finance “your own” belief system. in fact almost every “-ism” of the last two centuries were financed by the same banksters behind the Anglo-American Empire.

THAT is the real question you should be asking yourself. being self-righteous or calling someone a bully for pointing out the error of your ways, still does not change anything, if you're still stuck in the black tar-pit of an intellectual quick-sand, no?

I 'get' how and why you feel the way you do.

like I said, I bear no ill will.

I critique, 'cause I love. Really, Really.

but, there's no excuse for any intelligent human being to be satisfied being stuck with a poorly constructed belief system, especially when it's obvious, that you've not ventured beyond your political comfort zones, to even be aware, that there are larger, more vast, macro geopolitical game being played.

regardless. just know, that there will be far less patient people than me, who will be even less intentionally tact-LESS than moi. I implore you to really broaden your horizons on origins of memes and historical context, as well as precedents; this isn't the first time the world in going to hell in a hand basket. As it was then, it NEVER happens as organically as people commonly presume. We've always been brought forth to a moment of precipice, by a select group of degenerate excuse for human beings. These people can often be tracked back over 3000 yrs. ONLY in Amerika, does history begin on the day of their own birth. Yes, Virginia, it's happened before, to all other peoples of the world.

IF you genuinely research the origins of the Federal Reserve, and the model in which European colonialists have repeatedly used political viceroys and secret roundtable groups, and the narco-trade of the Anglo-Dutch East India Co. to conquer unsuspecting nations, NONE of what you see playing out before you will be a mystery.

either way, I genuinely wish you luck in your political and intellectual journey. may you discover more interesting dancepartners. sweet 3 muffin pussycat.

I wish you success with your intellectual and political journey.

-cheerio

If you'd moved on you wouldn't have bothered to respond regardless of whether Disqus sends you a notification of a new reply or not.

You're a condescending asshole whose need to denigrate others who stand up to you smells like fear. There you are, typing away on your keyboard as a self-appointed guru. No real intellectual would say to another: “my sweet 3 muffin pussycat” unless he or even a she were a complete sexist slob.