The United States should stay out of another Middle East war. Our two two-trillion-dollar wars are enough for now.

And if the Neocon Obushma pushes Iran further (for Israel) we just might get this “long war”.

You'll have him and nobody else to thank…oh, and the 'hope and change' crowd.

IN THIS CHRIST WILL BE GLORIFIED. pardon the sarcasm

i didn't realize that we were only in a SHORT war now, i guess short war now means more than a decade … and i suppose the military complex is drooling over this one not to mention 'z' (and yes i know it's spelled xe but they don't deserve to have it spelled correctly)

dang…are defense contractor jobs nepotistic like politics and the entertainment/media industry?…

This is painfully obvious. The question is how long, and would we win?
I think at this point we have to keep all options on the table, including a war with Iran. Oil prices and a collapse of the economy isn't as much of a concern when the economy is already at it's lowest point.

Oil prices might make it worse but at the same time war would boost the economy indirectly. Is it worth it? Thats for the leadership to decide.

Thats pretty silly. Obama is doing little different than Bush the mass murderer did. Bush had what, 6 years to deal with Iran? No, Obama is not pushing Iran far enough to start the Israeli War with Iran. Nice try.

As far as Im concerned Iran has people in the US as well, just waiting for Israel to bomb them. They could shoot missiles off at Iraq and our forces and do immeasurable damage. If Israel makes one move towards Iran, they need to be shot down out of the sky

So what's the problem? We are now able to handle multiple wars. Why the pentagon cannot wait to get into another. We have the military to provide fodder for the enemy. And we have resources for war, just as long as we don't need money for anything else.

I say go ahead. This is America and we love war.

Hey folks did you notice something about this article?

No where does it mention that an attack on Iran that is not in self-defense to a direct Iranian attack on Israel would constitute an international war crime.

Its time to abandon neocon/teabagger policies and re-institute the rule of law both nationally and internationally.

With out the rule of law, the USA is doomed to collapse.

Hey folks did you notice something about this article?

No where does it mention that an attack on Iran that is not in self-defense to a direct Iranian attack on Israel would constitute an international war crime.

Its time to abandon neocon/teabagger policies and re-institute the rule of law both nationally and internationally.

With out the rule of law, the USA is doomed to collapse.

What change? Obama has governed from the right since he took office. He has continued conservative/neocon/teabagger policies begun by the Republican/Libertarian/Teabagger Party.

Yes we both want and need change. Its time to abandon failed conservative policies, cease the fascism, and get this Country back on track. Its time for change — its time to begin instituting liberal policies — before we reach the point of no return.

I've said this a hundred times here: So what if Iran has a thousand nukes??? If they pop-off just one, their country will be utterly destroyed in minutes.

It's as simple as that. They know it. Every government on the planet knows it, I know it and now you know it too.

If I hear one more Zionist fucking attack Iran story I am going to scream.

It's all bullshit! The Jews and their toadies in DC want to rape Iran, a decent country. If anyone on this list believes this bullshit I feel sorry for your weak mind. Iran is a threat to no one. Period.

Oh, 911 was a very inside job.

It's way too late.

He hasn't governed a damn thing. He takes his orders from The City of London and all those Jews that run our government. He's a sock puppet at best. Looks good in a suit, speaks well does as he's told. To a few, that defines a “good” President. Like in, Obey asshole! He obeys, we obey.

I'm sick of obeying these heinous criminals that have stolen our way of life.
EVERYTHING is based on a murderous evil, lie.

Great place to live, eh? I feel sorry for anyone that's under 50. I figure if you get fifty decent years you did OK on this fucked-up planet. I'm over the hump at 61. Take me now Jesus!

Is this an Onion headline?

So Iraq and Afghanistan have been cake walks?

You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake.
Jeannette Rankin

While it's more than enough for you and me, it isn't enough for the neocons, the Rothschild banking cartel, and Israel. They want perpetual war… it's great business for them and maintains their control over the middle east. They don't care at all for America or it's way of life, they only care about money, power, and Israeli survival.

Every conservative white christianist GOP in the USA has just starched his underwear.

A long war between Iran and Israel would make for some thrilling television.

Just sayin'.

With the US military being hailed as liberators and awarded with chocolates and flowers!

Funny, but the military personnel are complaining the chocolates have sand in them and it's ruining their teeth!

You mean is it worth killing another million or two innocent Moslems in a country that can in no way do any harm to us (or Israel) just to boost our economy? (We'll totally ignore the subject of illegal and inhumane naked aggression since it didn't seem to bother the previous bozo's.)
Yes, that's a toughie all right. What to do? What to do?
And if it's winning you're worried about — we lost in Iraq, we're going to lose in Afghanistan — aren't you beginning to spot a trend? Besides, this is actually very bad news — the Pentagon loves long wars no matter how they turn out and if Israel decides do the war crime honors this time, I'm sure there will be an outcry from the Military to join in the profit making fun.

Great comment. I'm 59 and feel the same way. I'm ready for a long oblivious sleep and good luck to the poor schmoes who've got their lifetimes ahead of them. And I don't want nobody's so-called god waking my butt up and telling me there's more to this crap.

Waaayyyyy too late. BushCheneyRumsfeld&Co pretty much proved the bullies make the rules of law and when we do it, it ain't no war crime. Only when they do it. Obama doesn't seem to disagree so I would say your last six words are probably true, it's just a matter of when. I mean when the president gives himself the right to assassinate United States citizens on sight if he determines they're an enemy to the state, that's pretty much game, set and match and the rule of law doesn't mean jack. Bush got it started with spying, indefinite detention, and torture and Obama one-upped him one. And all we hear about it is 'if you're worried about it, you must have something to hide.” And where we go, little brother Israel is sure to follow.
Once leaders get powers like that and nobody does anything about it but yawn, it's over. They'll be finding terrorists in every sand dune in the mideast until the end of time to keep those emergency powers (if they're even bothering to fake us out by calling them that any more.)

… and would improve Obama's ratings and fix unemployment… eh, wink wink

Would WE WIN??!! You're an idiot or on some heavy drugs if you think we could “win” such a calamitous conflict. Yea ..just like we've “won” our wars in Vietnam, Iraq & Afganistan!

It is time to do this the MagnusT way. Bring Netanyahoo before the nation, rip his head from his body, then piss in his neck. This is how you reprogram a people.

Yes, by our anti-aircraft missiles. That would certainly change things, wouldn't it?

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And 9 years in Afghanistan hasn't been long…
… ENOUGH?

HEGEMONY
–noun, plural -nies.
1. leadership or predominant influence exercised by one nation over others, as in a confederation.
2. leadership; predominance.
3. (esp. among smaller nations) aggression or expansionism by large nations in an effort to achieve world domination.

It is what the USA has come to…
… EMPIRE – TYRANNY

Netanhayu, as usual, like a pitbull, is pulling on his leash to attack anything that moves, growling and pointing his little fingers to menace all that would contest his spreading grip on the Middle East.
Backed by the neocons, or backing the neocons, his arrogance knows no bounds and fact plays no part in the pre-planned conquest.
The US is running merrily along like Little Red Riding Hood with her basket in her hand and Grandma is waiting in her bed. The story didn't tell us that Grandma is sick in the head!

long war?
as if the permanent war we started and continue to wage is not long enough?
long war?
more like final war, and not in that 'war to end all wars' way, more in the 'war that ends all' way.

Iran might have been a “decent country” based on the standard quo 500 years ago. The people in Iran are little better than slaves. Those savages are still stoning people. Religion is more to blame than anything else I guess. Narrow minded people that believe in fairly tales that were fabricated thousands of years ago. I'll never get over how stupid Muslims, Christians and Jews are.

Savages? We here are slaves in America, we've always had the death penalty (and only recently has it moved towards less violent techniques). Similarly, religion is to blame for a great deal of our nation's problems. Here in America, if you get 'stoned', we have a prison-industrial complex that, instead of killing you, will imprison and fine you, and probably cast you out of all but the bottom-rung employment opportunities. The same is true in many places throughout the world. Many like to point out how evil “x” nation/people/government-funded terrorist group is, but all too often are unwilling to look in the mirror.

The U.S. loves war. How tempting to start a perpetual war. Well, if Afghanistan doesn't prove to be forever, no doubt we will go to Iran. Gotta keep the 'terroists' in check you know for the sake of National Security.

“START” of a long war?!? AYF'ingKM?

Below is the detailed documentation of over a century of “our long war.”

“Basic Statistics for United States Imperialism”

http://whatreallyhappened.com/usinterventionism…

Which is exactly why they want to do it.

Before you let the whole shithouse go up in flames, at least have the stones to ask out loud who did this and why you aren't allowed to know about it:

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/08/18/mov…

Actually, it would just be a new battle in an already long war

And the sky is blue

Fuckin-A-right

You mean longer that the two wars already going on now?

I disagree about the length. Reason: Israel nukes Iran early. We're at war with ALL Muslim countries FOREVER from that day until the end of time. But the Iranian part is very short…10 to 14 days – tops.

You think we got problems now?? Ha..just wait…

that report sounds like a high school paper. nothing new. no analysis that any 14 year old couldn't do. plus it sells israel short – i suspect israel would be more precise in its strikes on iranian nuclear leaders, and use assassins rather than rockets wherever possible.
i'm not advocating such a strike, but as long as we believe there was a holocaust, it is not difficult to imagine the way israel thinks about its reason for being, and its survival.

You make a good point. We haven't been winning wars lately. But what else is our country good for? All the other countries in the world pay us to fight wars.

There are legit reasons to go to war with Iran. If Iran is building nuclear weapons that is a legit reason. I would prefer if millions of Muslims don't have to die, but if it's a situation where if we don't kill millions of Muslims that millions or thousands of Americans could die, it's the mission and priority of the military to protect America.

Dr Helen Caldicott

conventional would go nuclear
nuclear would go thermonuclear
thermonuclear would go world-wide

the end

Israel has nuclear weapons.

Iran has none.

Yet, somehow, Israel considers Iran an “existential threat”.

Maybe in bizarroworld.

There is an absurd quality to the report though the conclusions are eminently sensible. It tends to reflect the persistent nature of the ‘attack Iran’ propaganda more than is altogether sensible otherwise.

Maybe it is perfectly fine to attempt to quantify the outcome of an attack on Iran, perfectly fine to judge what their reaction might be and its effect on the world; maybe especially so with the nefarious suggestion put forth that more good will come out of it than bad.

But ultimately it is simply layers of particular details and projections over a plain fact of war, easily laid out in a sentence and provable by any reflection upon the history of countries attacked by other countries; something we hardly need a think tank to tell us.

If one nation attacks another, the victim(s) will be angry as hell and react, their anger will live on for no less than a generation, the wound will become part the nation’s lore and they will continue to assert themselves in any way they can imagine until satisfied.

And just why would China, looking at Iran's oil as a source of energy, not retaliate, or not help Iran retaliate, against Israel should such a military strike take place?

Hey, you voted for Obama rather than supporting Ron Paul a true man of peace and a person who knows about economics. We are reaping what you’ve sown over the years.

The trick is always that once an excuse to invade has been formulated and the invasion and occupation is underway, we can't “abandon” the civilian population because we would surrender them to “civil war”.

So, that said, it's absolutely essential to prevent war, before we're drawn into the swamp of “peacekeeping responsibility”, which is essentially an excuse to have military bases somewhere.

Israel knows the War would be long and that's why their telling the US to attack Iran. Israel will set back and watch until it's over. Notice Israel didn't join in the illegal invasion of Iraq. Now Russia has said they will help Iran if anyone illegally attacks and the US again will be charged with War Crimes as Iran has no nukes. Israel has nukes and illegal cluster bombs given by the US. Let the US invade Iran as thousands of US soldiers die while Israel keeps their soldiers safe at home. Israel calls themselves friends of the US yet they set back and watched thousands of US soldiers die in Iraq without helping their so call friend the US.

Civilized is apparently the difference in technology.

Uncivilized is throwing a stone.

Civilized is blowing up an apartment building with a one ton bomb to kill one guy in a wheelchair.

Civilized is emptying the magazine of your weapon into a schoolgirl to “confirm the kill.”

Civilized is collective punishment, white phosphorous, and blockading things such as Ketchup and children's toys.

Civility is the control of the media to claim one uncivilized society is exactly what they are not.

Why is this even being discussed?

It's beyond insane.

About 95% 0f the so called “9/11 Truth” sites stop well short of asking that question and go on to blab about “antiSemitic” blah blah blah. “They” are even within the Truth movement redirecting people away from asking about Israels OBVIOUS involvement. Is it any wonder why the fake 9/11 Truthers are saying that it was an inside job, that it was the US government?? Israel would rather have us Americans believe it was our own governments doing than to know the truth. However, there was a zionist neocon connection to 9/11 in Washington DC.
9/11 was an inside job is only one slice of the pie…….9/11 was an Israeli job is without a doubt the rest of it.

this report strikes me as erronoeous and lacking.

firstly, they say that obama's policies have lessened the risk of war… what? as i write this, a joint US-israeli flotilla of battleships has gone through to the gulf and are poised to strike iran.

secondly, the report says that the attacks would center only on known centers and the 'mass-deaths' would just be the scientists and staffs, locals. but that is not the reality of modern war in which over 2/3 of deaths are civilian. and this doesn't take into account the recent records of israel and the US. consider that the kidnapping of one IDF soldier led the the deaths of thousands of lebanese, including the litterling of maryland-sized lebanon with over 3 million child-targeting american made clusterbomb fragments.

the bush and obama admins have both reserved 'the right' to a first strike against iran with nuclear weapons. the US and israel have no compassion whatever for civilian citizenry and comit war crimes daily involving civilians. but hitting tehran with a nuke, or any other location in iran, would kill millions, not just thousands.

the report doesn't discuss the ramifications of such a war, either. the saudis act as if they were a christian nation fighting the moslems and can be expected to stay out of the battle. but iraq, lebanon, syria, libya, algeria, pakistan? and pakistan has nukes. israel has some 200 nukes, which, according to the israeli scientist vanunu average 2 megatons each, some 100x more powerful than the ones the US dropped on civilian hiroshima/nagasaki. now a glance at the map of the region makes one wonder how exactly a nuke can be dropped nearby and not shroud surrounding countries. same with any CBWs. then there's the question as to how russia and china will take to stoppage in the flow of their own oil deals with iran.

iran is a large country, unlike israel and the use of limited area CBWs would likely not be massively murderous. but israel hit by CBWs could be devastated.

one thing is clear, millions of innocent civilians could wind up dead, ill, suffering. not the perps care. back in 1953, CIA and MI6 overthrew the new democracy of iran for BP; then installed the vicious shah of iran there into 1978. one thing is obvious… after 120 years of intensive, mass-murdering colonization of the middle east, involving millions of deaths… those people have literally millions of very good reasons to despise and seek revenge on the west and its sister, israel.

net time, the highjacked jets might not just take out a symbolic structure like WTC but instead slam into indian point nuclear power plant… watch the china syndrome destroy the western economies in a flash; cause the evacuation of 40 million or more people, especially as the aquifer would be radioactive, not even useful for irrigation. live by the sword… one of these days, the west and israel will get their well-deserved comeuppance. but the civilians who will do the suffering as always do not deserve to suffer for the evil insanity of these governments from hell.

really now..and WHO is gonna PAY for this???? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Btw, did they ever track down that radio “prankster” in the Strait of Hormuz?

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/06/09/som…

We are being incessantly bombarded by the necessity of attacking Iran. The public has been overwhelmingly against it and continues to be. If there would have been more public acceptance George Bush and Dick Cheney would have gone to war years ago.

Still the fringe right persist and the media continues to run stories of “wipe Israel off the map,” Iran supporting terrorism, Iran stones women to death, Iran represses dissent all with the seeming objective of softening American objection to a war with Iran.

Iran poses no real threat to the United States. Rather than the propaganda campaign to promote a war we should be finding methods for dialogue and negotiation.

But the proponents of war will not settle the issue without an armed conflict. The media continues to give them a forum to persuade the public to accept their objective.

At what point will a sufficient amount of the public be goaded into accepting their war and the rest of us be portrayed as the liberal fringe? I suspect it won't be long.

Our foreign policy has shown us than neither political powers represent change. Obama was vetted by the elites to do their bidding. They want this war and they will have it no matter who occupies the Whitehouse.

Fast and nuclear. In the name of the cartoon prophet.

The younger Iranians are not our enemies…unless we attack Iran. It's the religious extremists who have power right now, and they are at odds with many of their own people. Thank God Religious fundies aren't running our Government…yet.

We need to de-fund war right now. And no future wars without a war tax to pay for it entirely, AND a draft so that elites can take their place on the front lines just like the general population. Then let's see how loud the call for WAR remains. Aren't the war-mongering neo-cons rich enough already?

Hopefully you will sign up for the front line. I mean a racist toughie like yourself cannot miss an occasion of kicking some “Towel head” butts?. But I have the impression you will stay home and from the safety of your living room, provide us with the golden keys on how to successfully annihilate a place like Iran.

As a matter of fact I am am a Vietnam Vet., and despite the distrust of the government that the experience provided, Iran need not to develop nukes, but rather be nuked in to martyrdom.

You really know how to win elections.

An unprovoked military attack on the Islamic REPUBLIC of Iran by the ethno-racist apartheid theocrazy of Zionist Israel, or the capitalist'fascist UNITED $TATES OF PERPETUAL WAR PROFITEERING, will cause the following FIVE things to happen.

1. A U.S. carrier (and other military ships) will be $unk from attacks by Russian made SS-N-22 anti-$hip missles launched from scores of small Iranian speed boats. Despite its defensive capabilities, a U.$. carrier is a dinosaur… loaded with volitile jet fuel and explosive ordinance. If just ONE SS-N-22 anti-$hip missile hits a carrier, the dinosaur will go down with all 5000 sailors.

2. The Persians will become united to fight a long protracted war against the war mongering aggressors, it's fighting machine forever $upplied from China, Russia and other allied nation $tates.

3. The Straights of Hormuz will be choked off. Crude oil tankers will not be able to safely pass through… or equally bad, the INSURANCE COSTS on oil tankers will become prohibitively exorbitant. Thus… the retail price of gasoline will be $20.00+ a gallon in Los Angeles, etc. almost overnight!

4. Israel and other Amerikan allies (or assets) in the area will be subject of missile attacks.

5. The whole world will rise up against the violent and vicious war mongering beast that capitalist/fascist Amerika has become! This will mean a MORITORIUM OF CRUDE OIL IMPORTS TO THE UNITED $TATES… and the inability of the Fed to $ell debt $ecurity instruments (T-Bills, etc.) on global auction markets. This, of course, will lead to the complete and total destruction of the U.$. dollar and Amerika's consumer economy. $500.00 for a loaf of bread? Yup!

Yesss… Old Coyote Knose what will happen if the KKKristian Zionist wackos attack Iran, a signatory of the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty (NPT)! An attack on the $overeign $tate of Iran will be WWIII. It will be a Napoleon moment for Amerika. Think Hitler attacking Russia in 1941. Think of Japan bombing Pearl Harbor. This is the geo-political blunder that war mongering Amerika will commit if it (or its lunatic masters in the apartheid criminal $yndicate of Israel) attacks the Islamic REPUBLIC of Iran.

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You're a Vet like I am the fucking Queen of Spain,but good argument on the need to nuke Iran, that's exactly what motivates the Iranians to go go nuclear. Mission accomplished Private, you are getting what you asked for….With nuclear Iran, Israel will start to behave like a normal nation,and if not, let's have them blow each other,I don't give a fly fuck about Iran or Israel.They may nuke themselves to the smithereens , it will make place, the planet is already too crowded.

You have the cart before the horse.

Your policies would make for a much better nation and world if there were not a plutocracy opposing them. But if this were not a plutocracy, we would not need such remedial policies because we would not be engaged in wars-for-profit.

Instead of fantasizing a more peace-loving United States, look for ways to make the United States more democratic (small “d”). I've given up on both, but you probably are younger and should still have hopes and the energy to work towards them.

I am as opposed to right-wing Israeli irredentist aggressions as anyone in my neck of the woods, but it is not helpful to spread misinformation. Israel was asked by the U.S. to stay out of the Iraq war. Cheney/Bush had their own reasons for lying us into war that certainly had a lot more to do with dollars than with shekels.

However, you very well may be correct that the Likud and its American NeoCon collaborators are doing their best to maneuver the U.S. into bombing Iran to achieve Netanyahu's objectives.

The ‘long war’ predicted by the ‘study’ is already 62 years old!

Tiny little Israel is surrounded by hostile Muslim enemies, on all sides, bent on her utter destruction! The Muslims have 54 states, including 22 Arab states, yet they cannot accept ONE Jewish state in the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people!

The reality is that it’s only a matter of time before some Islamo-fascist fanatic, state sponsored or not, seeks to unleash nuclear annihilation upon tiny little Israel!

Thus, it brings me no pleasure to declare; Iran WILL not be allowed to develop or otherwise acquire a nuclear weapon! If that means Israel must pull the nuclear trigger first…so be it!!!

Israel is the new home of Nazi's .But don't worry Israel only attacks helpless people so Iran is safe from Israel.

“Thus, it brings me no pleasure to declare; Iran WILL not be allowed to develop or otherwise acquire a nuclear weapon! If that means Israel must pull the nuclear trigger first…so be it!!!” then the whole world will realize what a pariah Israel really is .And Israel will be destroyed by its actions .

-Your hysterical tone has a queen like quality and like it or not I served; not that it was my idea.
-You cannot conceal that your are a follower of the cartoon prophet.
-Fanatic racists, some of whom rant here, can't be trusted with nuclear warheads which they can hurl as faras Western Europe.
- It is because of the threat to nations as far as 2 thousand miles way, not close neighbors,
which a compels a preemption nuclear strike.against Iran.

At least Iran will be if it is hit by 250 nuclear warheads. I think it inevitable. If one wants to commit genocide the usual method is to first dehumanize the subjects e.g., call them Nazis or infidels. When that happens it is clear that the talking is over

I would rather rely on the odds – their aren't enough Jews/Israelis to go against the ME Muslims – the Isrealis know they are doomed – so a pre-emptive strike is the only way to go out with dignity.

The US had better start doing a cost benefit analysis on its ties to Israel. If the US bombs Iran or supports Isrraeli bombing of Iran it has to know that the American economy, already battered and broken would be completely devestated with the resulting financial casualties to American citizens and their families. Is it worth it? That's what the US government has to decide and quickly. The GOP will always decide against the American people so they are a foregone conclusion but what will the Democratic party decide?

Yeah, nice try ,you are the one going hyper emotional about Jews -Arabs-Muslims-mud people & now Iranians, and I am the one doing the “hysterical” theatrics?

Just between you and me, I am a 21 yr old chick, I am Swede born in the United Kingdom. As for being a “follower” of the prophet, the prophet can kiss my ass, because I am not swallowing any religious,superstitious or spiritual bullshit.

Doesn't Europe have some input? Iran has missiles that will travel 2000 miles. Which countries are voting for sanctions and why?

Of course it is worth it. The economy here might go South, but defense contractors will make a killing. Oil companies will make a killing when prices go up. Goldman Sachs will make a killing. And the true owners of the Fed will make a killing lending us the money to lose another war.

What would “winning” in Iraq, Afghanistan or (all too conceivably) Iran look like? I've heard lots about how important it is that we win, but never a cogent explanation for what that would be. If it means: people won't be pissed off at us anymore, then bombing wedding parties, breaking into houses and dragging all the menfolk away, sending drones to bomb places where someone we don't like MIGHT be and bullying the rest of the world to impose sanctions on countries we accuse of wanting to do the same thing we did 65 years ago seems a poor strategy.

BTW, other countries don't pay us to fight wars. We pay other countries to give us lip support in the UN so we can fight wars. Hey, it keeps the kids off the streets.

Most people can't. Boeing, Lockheed, Zee, their lobbyists and the congress critters who are bought by them, their are people who win wars. And there are people who win earthquakes, too.

Israeli's call it the “Samson Option” .We would call it the “Scorched Earth Option”.

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/20…

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

This American will Support Israel…No Matter the Cost. This is a question of Israel's survival and they have every right to defend themselves. Would the U.S. wait for Castro to develope nukes?

Israel has begged, pleaded and has shown great restraint, however Israel knows just as I know that if the world does not stop Iran, even with all the proof staring them in the face, then Israel will destroy her enemies with nuclear weapons, including back up plans to attack China, Russia and even the United States if it attempts to stop her once the attack begins. The reason is simple, Iran will use nuclear weapons on Israel. Israel is between a rock and a hard place from her point of view. For Israel it is like death and taxes and just like both of those things which always happen, Israel knows for sure that Iran will use nukes on Israel once she has them.

If America pentagon staffers really understood Islam, especially the twelvers group of Iran, then they would understand that Israel is facing their own Cuban missile crisis and the time of negotiations is almost over. Israel does not intend to fight another full scale war with conventional weapons, she could not win that battle without America's help anyway. That is why Israel is waiting and allowing things to happen that she would not normally allow. Israel has no intention of fighting another conventional war with her enemies and if the world does not act soon to stop Iran, then they will see a nuclear reality come to pass. Israel if forced will nuke a large parts of Iran and Syria. Then America will scream, Russia will scream and China will scream threats at Israel, but Israel will have a back up war plan for that situation as well. It will be Israel's equivalent of that “Lets Roll” moment as it was on that fateful day of 9/11. Except this time the costs to the entire world will be beyond imagining.

The point I'm trying to make is that you need to understand Iran's thinking and it's beliefs as well as Israel's well founded fears. Iran believes they must destroy Israel, even if the rest of the world thinks it's crazy Iran does not. Iran's twelver's and Ahmadinejad would sacrifice their entire country and its entire population in order to destroy Israel and fulfill the so called Imam prophecies. Benjamin Netanyahu knows this absolutely and he will have no choice when Iran gets ready to cross that nuclear line. The world may gamble foolishly from ignorance thinking Iran and Israel will blink but neither of them will.

By the way if you would like to read my entire point of view on Iran, Israel you can use the link below

http://sites.google.com/site/pointprophetic/wor…

Esther you're gleaning the wrong answers to a very egregious problem. If Israel uses the nuclear bomb it is dead itself as you well know but are not ready to accept. As for the Muslim nations just ask yourself how many Americans would be willing to agree to the Native Indian tribes taking over all of New York state including America's largest city because it used to be their's ages ago. You are not reasoning very well are you?

This sounds like the typical right-wing horseshit media here in the US, full of prognostication about the wonders of nuclear war. Hopefully Israel will learn a hard lesson about attacking others if they try to bomb Iran.

I wish Russia or China would give Iran some nukes. That would settle the whole issue. It would put the rabid Israelis in their place. It worked for the cold war with US and Russia for decades. Peace through strength.

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Dont worry USA knows its fighting Russia..

A majority of the comments show a lack of any knowledge of what is really going. The US will never go to war with Iran. If we do, we will lose. Iran has already started the war with Israel. It is a proxy war with Syria, Hezbollah, Hamas, etc, used as pawns to do their fighting. Currently, Israel is looking at tens of thousands of rockets aimed at their cities. Israel is being pushed in to a corner with only one option: a preemptive strike against their enemies.

If Israel launched a preemptive strike against Iran, Iran would use their proxies with a vengeance to retaliate. Israel would probably get hit with chemical and biological weapons launched from Syria. Israel would retaliate in kind and level Damascus, which would fulfill the scripture in Isaiah 17:1 before you shun me as a bible thumping fanatic, I challenge each and every one of you to get the bible you didn’t have the balls enough to throw away when you declared there is no God, brush the dust off it and look up the following:

Math: 24
Ezekiel 35-39
Psalm 83
Isa 17

If anyone is interested in more information, just post a request.

FYI: for six months prior to the start of the present Gulf fiasco, there were convoys of trucks going non stop from Iraq to Syria. Saddam Hussein had very close ties with Bashar Al-Asad. They both belonged to the Ba ath party, therefore they we very close indeed. I doubt if Hussein had any nuclear weapons, but the whole world knows he had chemical and biological weapons, especially the Kurds. Since no WMDs of any significance were ever found in Iraq, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out what the cargo was on those truck convoys.

With Syria the new owners of Hussien’s WMDs, they will gladly launch against Israel if Iran gives them the green light. Obama’s policies have already shown the entire Muslim world that the US is weak, and would probably look the other way if an attack on Israel were to be implemented. So, in theory, the US by virtue of the present administration’s policies, have given the entire Muslim world the “green light” to do anything they want with Israel.

YOu need to find out about the background the the regime in Iran then comment on it. THEY WANT WAR to bring their MAhdi..

What makes you think they are stupid? Don’t you have anything you would fight for or would you just follow the rest of your atheist sheep?

What is religion to blame for here?? There has been more bloodshed at the hand of atheists in this country in the 20th century than all religions combined in history.

The libs got rid of the rule of law when they stacked the courts!

Who says it will be an air war? Besides, Iraq tried to shoot them out of the sky and not one jet was destroyed…

I believe we haven’t been winning by design…think global governance.

Well, Mr. Globalist, I guess you haven’t heard of precision bombing or long term effects..

Yes, remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Japan was very close to doing to us what we regrettably had to do to them.

Ironic, isn't it? That the Just thing to do will put you out of office almost fast as it will take to destroy a country with nukes?

Don't give up. I'm not young, but I can still dream of a perfect world…it's still safe to fantasize, I hope. But I can and do send $ to candidates in Primaries, and I take the opportunity to educate low-information voters if given the chance. I enjoy passing on little golden nuggets of information I get from ThomHartmann.com.

Apparently you don't understand Iran's intent. WAR IS WHAT THEY WANT!!!

No matter what happens there is going to be economic devastation because of us with our collective tumb up the ass attitude through various administrations. Israel is an IMPORTANT ally in that we get info from them and God's blessing.

No. If Israel uses nukes it is the final retaliation against those who seek to destroy her. You need to understand that the argument regarding Muslims and Native Americans is at best a red herring.

I really don't think you know what a NAZI is. In what way is Israel socialistic? Do you know there are so-called Palestinians (Jews are the original Palestinians) that want nothing to do with those other than those who run the great state of Israel?

This post is all over the place. You need to get off the sites of the left and expand your horizons

As if we have a choice on who gets elected……..look at the progress of Socialism since Wilson….

TROLL…..

I think Obama has failed the test and Iran is more bold that ever…

Israel wasn't threatened by Ira initially so why would they attack? Israel does not have illegal bombs, they did not sign the NPT. I guess you forgot about the atack on Iraq's nuke sites by Israel in 1982 I think or around that time..You speak as if Israel has soldiers to spare. They have actually helped quite a bit with incredibly accurate intelligence data.

Oh, you mean Israel's survival??

Israel is not going anywhere no matter what. They have survived in their little corner even though they have fought two-front wars and wars in which they were brutally attacked first

I guess it's because Ahmadinejad says he want's them to NOT exist.

You need to understand that most of the Mid East does NOT want the Persian empire to have nukes. The Iranian regime is not a friend to them any more that it is to us.

You need to get out more…….

Spreading grip?? As if…What have they tried to conquer??

I agree we should leave Afghanistan. What about the countries we feed and then trn around and stab us in the back?? MAybe you should look up the definition of tyranny.

We would feel it right here at home but not taking care of the issue now is a much worse option!!

So what you are saying is that libs are not Christian?

Tell that to our founding fathers

Walter L you are totally correct of course but what better response for a red herring then another one.

Do you get paid by the hour or by the number of comments you post?
It is so evident who you shill for.

Walter it's often said make sure the camera is off this time it wasn't
Statement:
I know what America is,” Netanyahu replied. “America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction. They won’t get in their way.” He then called former president Bill Clinton “radically pro-Palestinian,” and went on to belittle the Oslo peace accords as vulnerable to manipulation. Since the accords state that Israel would be allowed to hang on to pre-defined military zones in the West Bank, Netanyahu told his hosts that he could torpedo the accords by defining vast swaths of land as just that.

Your right Israel never signed with the UN for nukes but have enough to bomb Iran if they want to but would rather the US do it for them. Actions speak lower then words and Israel has shown the World by their actions you can't believe a word they say now. Sorry but facts don't change only people have to change and Natanyahu just got caught live on video. I just forwarded the video to the White House/Secretary of State websites for their review.

in 1953, as a matter of great historical documentation, CIA and MI6 did the
bidding of BP and overthrew the new democracy of iran. the US then installed
the vicious shah of iran, armed him to the teeth and trained his death
squads until 1978. much the same as the US installed hussen in 1965 and
backed him through the iran-iraq war ending in 1989, then denounced him and
waged 20 years war on teh innocent people of iraq.. all in all the moslems
of the mid-east and afghanis have milions of dead reasons to hate america
and europe.

obama is just another corporatist warmongering stooge cut from the same
corporate-communist fabric as bush, clinton, bush, reagan, nixon, LBJ, JFK.
none of these demonic thugs really ran anything at all; just figureheads for
the shadows in the pentagon/CIA/NSA. duh.

and obama stands up to nazi israel at least as well as chicken-hawk bush, or
clinton, bush, reagan, nixon, LBJ, JFK…

iran has no nukes, america has thousands and israel illegaly has over 200,
which their own nuclear scientist vanunu says are all 2 megatons or more,
100+ stronger than the civilan-targeting WMDs nazi america dropped on
hiroshima to show the russians our new toys… and israel last august
refused any cooperation with the UN inspections; a first among any nuclear
nations.

except its to late for the “dignity”.

Do you see the words *lib* or *christian* in my comment?

Walter:

Too many of your comments start with “You need to…” or they include “You need to…”

Instead of constantly lecturing us about our commentaries, or criticizing what we express here, why not actually post something original or profound? Your blind support for the ethno-racist apartheid theocrazy of Israel suggests that you are a sheep thinker and/or a moron. And putting the interests of the vicious $ociopathic criminal $yndicate in Israel above the security concerns of the American people says you are a god damn traitor!

We are done with Israel! There is a growing sentiment among Americans to tell the Israelis to fuk off!

Yeah… I know who ewe are, Walter. You are the coward who still has Mommy doing your laundry!

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WalterL -

Your gratuitiously snide remark that neither enlightens nor persuades is precisely how you ultra Zionists alienate everyone who does not goose step behind the increasingly fascist Likud.

Evidently, you are confident that Israel can survive without international support apart from you True Believers and the Christian End-Timers who want to ship all the Jews back to Israel to fulfill their destiny as lava in the Book of Revelations.

Keep it up. Freud calls what you and Natanyahu are doing “thanatos.”

Do you really believe that the US “…would probably look the other way if an attack on Israel were to be implemented”? NOT VERY LIKELY TO HAPPEN EVER! Like it or not Israel is our”ally”, and we will be there for them ALWAYS. Whatever happens and whatever they do. I wish that this was not true, but sometimes the truth is ugly.

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Based on the Obama Apology Tour, which was directed at the Muslim world, I am convinced that Obama would abandon Israel in favor of his heritage. Look at the way he has treated the Israeli Prime Minister. Any type of communication is forced at best. He treats the enemies of the US with more respect then he treated Netanyahu. So, yes, I do believe, given the opportunity, he would “look the other way”.

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