USS Liberty survivor: Death was possible on Gaza freedom flotilla

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“Once they got aboard our ship, they just stumbled around and argued with each other,” former US Navy signalman of USS Liberty aboard Gaza freedom flotilla ship tells RAW STORY; IDF responds: forces showed “professionalism” and “commanders exhibited correct decision making”

Joe Meadors knew firsthand the dangers of sailing anywhere near Gaza.

But the US Navy veteran also believed that the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) would stop short of using the same level of violence as it had toward his shipmates on the USS Liberty 43 years ago.

“I didn’t think [the IDF] would go to those extremes,” Meadors told RAW STORY in an exclusive interview. “But I knew that [death] was a possibility.”

So he set sail with his fellow pro-Palestinian international activists aboard the Gaza freedom flotilla, which was intercepted May 31 by Israeli commandos, resulting in the deaths of nine activists. Two months later, Meadors says he still believes the fourth largest military in the world acted incompetently — on both occasions.

But tell that to the IDF.

***

The USS Liberty was an electronic communication vessel for the US Navy, and Meadors served as its signalman. On June 8, 1967, the fourth day of the Six-Day War, Israeli sea and air forces attacked the ship in international waters off the Sinai Peninsula.

As signalman, Meadors’ job was to keep the US flag in clear sight for other vessels to be able to identify. Before the attack, he saw Israeli reconnaissance aircraft circle the Liberty over a dozen times. During the attack, he watched from the top deck as Israeli aircraft fired machine guns, dropped napalm, and knocked out the ship’s life rafts and communications systems.

“From the Liberty perspective, we were virtually unarmed, and they couldn’t take us out of action. They had four aircraft and torpedo boats, and they still didn’t defeat us. They still didn’t sink us, even though they had five torpedoes that they fired,” Meadors told RAW STORY in an exclusive interview.

The United States and Israeli governments both conducted inquiries into the Liberty incident and concluded that the attack occurred primarily because of mistaken identity. The IDF said it thought the Liberty was an Egyptian vessel. As compensation, the Israeli government paid millions of dollars to the families of the killed and wounded American sailors as well as for the physical damage to the Liberty.

The Liberty incident remains the only maritime attack in which American forces were killed that was never investigated by the US Congress.

***

Meadors, now a retired accountant living in Corpus Christi, Texas, eagerly accepted the invitation of the Free Palestine Movement, which along with the Turkish Foundation for Human Rights and Freedoms and Humanitarian Relief (IHH) organized the flotilla.

“I thought it was about time that I stepped up and try to help them out,” the US Navy veteran told RAW STORY. “As a Liberty survivor, we’re more in tune with what’s going on in the Middle East. We cut through the chaff of what people say in our research.”

The May 2010 flotilla was one of a number of sea and land attempts that pro-Palestinian activists have made to break the Israeli blockade of goods to the Gaza Strip. The blockade was begun in response to Hamas, a US-designated terrorist group, winning the 2007 Palestinian election and tightened when the Israelis fought the Palestinians in Gaza in December 2008.

The difference between Meadors’ flotilla and the prior aid-for-Gaza missions that the Israeli navy let pass freely is the flotilla’s connection to the Turkish government. Former Israeli ambassador to Washington Itamar Rabinovich told the Washington Post that the MV Mavi Marmara vessel was “a front for a radical Islamist organization, probably with links to the ruling party in Turkey.”

Another difference is that this flotilla had more ships and activists than past attempts. Last year, for example, Israeli forces stopped and detained 19 international activists aboard The Spirit of Humanity to prevent them from entering Gaza waters. One of those activists was former U.S. congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, who last fall encouraged Meadors to join this latest effort.

***

Meadors was aboard the Greek-flagged Sfendoni as the Israeli military force invaded the flotilla on May 31, 2010. He explained, “In my experience — it might seem odd coming from somebody who was there — [the Israeli commandos] were very polite. They said, ‘Please sit down, and please shut up,’ It sounds okay, but when somebody has pulled an M-16 at you, and they say that, it takes on a different aspect.”

“From the perspective of the flotilla, [the Israeli commandos] really seemed like they didn’t know what they were doing,” he added. “Once they got aboard our ship, they just stumbled around and argued with each other — didn’t really know specifically what was going on.”

The IDF Spokesperson took exception to Meadors’ view, pointing to the conclusion of Israeli Maj. Gen. (Res.) Giora Eiland’s recent internal IDF investigation of the May 31 incident.

“The team determined that the Navy Commando soldiers operated properly, with professionalism, bravery and resourcefulness and that the commanders exhibited correct decision making,” said the IDF spokesperson. “The report further determines that the use of live fire was justified and that the entire operation is estimable.”

Upon adoption of the report, IDF Chief of the General Staff Lt. Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi added: “Not me, nor did the examination team identify a failure or negligence, but nonetheless, an examination as thorough as this brings up mistakes which must be corrected for future incidents.”

Meadors’ expectation about the level of violence turned out to be correct, though there was still violence perpetrated aboard all the flotilla’s ships, a point he made freely. The members of the Gaza flotilla and the IDF disagreed on the other’s use of weapons, each other’s intent, and the first shot. The activists said they had no guns and no intention of committing violence. The IDF said that activists took pistols off its soldiers for use aboard the Marmara and that it has video proof of the flotilla organizers’ intent to use violence prior to launch.

Each said the other fired the first round.

***

When the dust settled in the USS Liberty incident, Israeli forces had killed 34 US crewmen and wounded 173. There were no Israeli casualties. In comparison, after the Israeli raid on the 600-person flotilla group, nine civilians, almost all of whom were Turkish nationals, were dead, while dozens were wounded. Of the raiding party, seven Israeli soldiers were injured: two from gunshots, one from a fall, and others from beatings. But no Israelis died.

Of the 14 Americans in the flotilla, 13 returned home alive. The 19-year-old American citizen of Turkish descent that perished — Furkan Dogan — received five gunshot wounds, according to an autopsy. In contrast, Meadors received a whack from a yellow paintball pellet and the opportunity to tell his side of the flotilla’s story.

Meadors said he would prefer that the international community investigate the incidents aboard the flotilla, particularly the Turkish-flagged Marmara. The Israeli government has rejected such a probe.

“The story I’m getting from the U.S. government is they are not going to conduct an investigation because the ‘peace process’ is at such a sensitive moment now,” Meadors said. “My question to that is, ‘What was so special about May 31st that the flotilla was attacked? That act didn’t threaten the ‘peace process’ at all?’”

***

Meadors told RAW STORY that he harbors no grudges toward the Israeli forces. His Liberty shipmates might have called him crazy for agreeing to join the flotilla given the psychological trauma they all faced. However, Meadors said he had two things going for him: his self-realization and his medication for post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) from the Veterans Administration.

“Come to find out that we weren’t attacked by the people who attacked us back in 1967, so I really couldn’t be angry at them because it was their fathers, their grandfathers who were doing it, not them,” said Meadors. “I didn’t have any anger or anything like that. The people who attacked us this time — I knew all along that they were capable of the same things that happened to the Liberty, but they didn’t carry it that far, thankfully.”

The Israeli military was unable to prevent activists from smuggling video footage of the raid off the flotilla. Some of this footage can be seen online at Culture of Resistance.

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  • Anonymous

    You are wrong. Israel is held to a double standard. The Liberty should not have been there relaying troop movements to the Egyptians. Every ass licking pro-Palestinian?jew hater seems to forget Palestinian terro and what they teach.

  • Anonymous

    You are wrong. Israel is held to a double standard. The Liberty should not have been there relaying troop movements to the Egyptians. Every ass licking pro-Palestinian?jew hater seems to forget Palestinian terro and what they teach.

  • dennycrane

    Thank you for bringing this out:

    http://www.usslittlerock.org/Historic%20Events/…

  • ericroded

    Death is possible over here in my mom's basement.

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    What are the prospects? Just curious

  • n3542576

    “Meadors told RAW STORY that he harbors no grudges toward the Israeli forces. …. Meadors said he had two things going for him: his self-realization and his medication for post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) from the Veterans Administration.”

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    “The Liberty incident remains the only maritime attack in which American forces were killed that was never investigated by the US Congress.”

    Because investigating the possible murders of 34 US military personnel would have been “anti-semitic”.

  • ericroded

    The boiler could be venting carbon monoxide. I bet it is. It is a corporate boiler. Probably a Manchurian boiler. Yes, yes, I bet I'm dying of Carbon Obamanoxide! Aaaaaaaa,,,….

  • postroad

    Of course this post will beget manyh anti_Israeli comments. Suffice it to wonder: this is a guy who got attacked (according to the post), and yet he didn't feel that there was any danger on being on this ship? How dumb or naive can one be? and…why would he leave Florida to get over to Turkey to break the blockade?

  • realtimexxx

    That is why your mother put you in the basement. So you could not commit suicide by jumping out of the basement window.

  • ericroded

    Actually she still thinks I'm making a lot of money as a comic artist living in New York City.

    :-0

  • ericroded

    Who's anti-Israeli? Nobody hates all the Israelis. It's just that nobody likes the Israelis who hate all the Palestinians. That's all.

  • Ralbam

    Is this really worthy of a headline?
    Everyone knows that if you enter a war zone you willfully put yourself at risk of death.
    We expect better reporting from Raw Story than this type of sensationalizing the trivial.
    Try a little harder to come up with some real news, guys!

  • sandi2

    You didn't read this article carefully. “I didn't think [the IDF] would go to those extremes,” Meadors told RAW STORY in an exclusive interview. “But I knew that [death] was a possibility.”

    And, as for why someone would try to break the Gaza blockade, sometimes there's things that are more important than one's personal safety. In Star Trek the sentiment went like this, “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. . . or the one”. Jesus put it like this, “Those who are willing to give up their lives save their life”. Margaret Mead said it like this, “Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has”.

  • B_Godot

    That a survivor of the attack on the USS Liberty was on board when the Turkish aid ship was attacked is news. Your attempt to trivialize this piece of news fails.

    Besides, the attack on the USS Liberty by Israeli forces has never been sufficiently told and needs to be made fresh in the minds of younger Americans, so they can make up their own minds about who our friends are.

  • bruman

    “Margaret Mead said it like this, “Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has”.

    Yeah, like Hitler and his merry mad men. They started out small and ended up murdering 40 million people in Europe along with six million innocent Jews. So, that “small group of people” must be benevolent, not, as the flotilla participants proved to be, malevolent and violent. This Meadors jokester is your typical low brow, situational activist. Meaning, he probably wouldn't help any one at home, but if it involves getting at Jews, he's all in.

  • bruman

    Or it might expose the truth: it was a mistake on both parties involved. The US may not want to expose its failures and Israel apologized, just like when we dropped four, 500lbs bombs on Canadian troops in Afghanistan 5 years ago. Oops!

  • MagnusTheDestroyer

    No, when you're on an unarmed vessel delivering critical humanitarian aid to to 1.5 million people, you don't expect to be fired up by a war ship and a gang of thugs in the guise of “commandos”, you complete horse's ass.

    Why don't you go get some new orders from GIYUS? Maybe they'll assign you to something easy, like some obscure blog.

    Israel is doomed, bitch. Deal with it.

  • MagnusTheDestroyer

    “…when the Israelis fought the Palestinians in Gaza in December 2008.”

    “Fought” the Palestinians? More like murdered, maimed, raped, etc. Let's do history some justice and not mince words here.

  • MagnusTheDestroyer

    I'm certainly not against the many Arabs that are Israelis (forced to become citizens of an illegitimate state). The rest of those fuckers can go to hell. Especially the one's with Brooklyn accents.

  • MagnusTheDestroyer

    I love this part:

    “The IDF Spokesperson took exception to Meadors' view, pointing to the conclusion of Israeli Maj. Gen. (Res.) Giora Eiland's recent internal IDF investigation of the May 31 incident.

    “The team determined that the Navy Commando soldiers operated properly, with professionalism, bravery and resourcefulness and that the commanders exhibited correct decision making,” said the IDF spokesperson. “The report further determines that the use of live fire was justified and that the entire operation is estimable.”

    Yeah, I totally know. I just produced a report that determined I have the largest penis of any man within a 500 mile radius, so my girlfriend is full of shit.

  • ericroded

    Yes, it must suck to have to be Muslim and have to live in a state who maintains the Star of David on its flag.

    Churchstates stand AGAINST everything America stands FOR.

    Still, the Israeli baby born to the Israeli parents who hate all Palestinians does not hate all Palestinians.

  • PrissyPatriot

    Yours is one of the most uninformed comments I have seen here in a long time. Crawl back under your rock and stay there, you anti-American troll.

  • MagnusTheDestroyer

    “Each said the other fired the first round.”

    Riiiiiiiiiight. The rugged and brilliant IDF commandos boarded the ships, then handed their firearms over to the boat passengers, who then shot first. Riiiiiight. Yeah. Israel is such a fucking light unto the nations. I want to convert to Judaism so I can be an Israeli, too, and have such upstanding morals and be held in high esteem by everyone else in the world, who are all in awe of our deft handling of difficult situations, our stellar humanitarian legacy, and our ability to kill women, children, infants and cripples with seeming impunity.

  • damnadamzama

    That's because they own them.

  • Kurt_O

    You need to dust off your Zio-troll 101 text and reread the chapter on stealth.

  • sandi2

    “Yeah, like Hitler and his merry mad men. They started out small and ended up murdering 40 million people in Europe along with six million innocent Jews.”

    You're seriously twisting the thing, aren't you? The Nazi Party was the “majority” because it held all the power and controlled the military. It was not a “small group of people”. This is like saying that because the powerful leaders of Israel do not outnumber the Palestinian prisoners of Gaza that the Palestinians are responsible for their own persecution. Oh, wait, that IS what the Israelis say.

  • UnkindByDesign

    You made quite an argument…..The same made by Nazis to justify the liquidation of the Warsaw Ghetto.

    Obviously Pro-Israelis & Pro-Zionists are suffering from Stockholm syndrome….

  • damnadamzama

    Sounds like the blatant lies told right here at home.

  • cessnadriver

    Glee sucks anyway, except for the principal.

  • UnkindByDesign

    Tell me if I am wrong, I haven't read any particular comments yet, but I will bet that the usual professional Pro-Israeli Pro-Zionist ass lickers are going to accuse the survivor of the Liberty attack, to be some rabid antisemitic Jew hater….Bla Bla bla……because we are all aware that according to the psychopathic Jewish psyche, everybody hate the Jews, if you do not, you probably would, & according to the equally pathologically antisemitic crowd, you should…..

  • dotmafia

    international water was not a designated war zone. try a little harder to be correct.

  • postroad

    Not saying Joe is anti-Jewish etc but he did live in–Saudi Arabia for 20 years! and is member of Free Palestine movement (that is different than bring aid!)

    https://www.freepalestinemovement.org/index.php…

  • postroad

    …sure. after 2000rocikets fired into theior tittory. Rape? cite evidence, please

  • Prattvictory

    The USS Liberty was a deliberate attack that the US government knew of in advance.

    Both the Israeli and American governments knew the flotilla was going to be an issue when Rahm Emanuel met with Netanyahu in Israel a week before the attack. The details were worked out an agreement was reached. Any surprise on the part of the Obama administration is just theater.

    Whether in Afghanistan-Iraq, Honduras, North Korea, Venezuela, Iran or Palestine, American foreign policy has not changed in any significant way under this administration

  • postroad

    for christ's sake, read up[ on that guy!

    https://www.freepalestinemovement.org/index.php…

  • postroad

    right: he does not bhate Israeli!
    then why is he a member of this grouphttps://www.freepalestinemovement.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=87&Itemid=85

  • azhermit

    fuck die Juden!

  • Robert Shaftoe

    Troll pay must be pretty good these days.

  • cessnadriver

    The failure to investigate may stem from US-Israel relations, but not from a religious standpoint.

    The USS Liberty was a spy ship, and that was well known to both sides. The Liberty was completely in compliance with all maritime laws when it was attacked.

    It would be shocking if there were any “secrets” on the Liberty that weren't declassified now, so maybe no is the time to do a real investigation before all of the principals are gone.

  • Robert Shaftoe

    OK, so you're saying “blame the American first”?

  • Robert Shaftoe

    Even decades later?

    Even decades later they wouldn't want to expose the truth?

    The people who were in power at the time are either dead or on so much medication they wouldn't know they're losing face.

    We need to get away from this secrecy culture. It flies in the face of accountability and that crazy little thing called JUSTICE.

    Survey says: BULLSHIT

  • UnkindByDesign

    I don't give a fly fuck about Saudis and Israelis, both cannot take a piss without the US… and they share more than the common Semitic denominator, their lack of dignity & their arrogant ” yappy little dog” mentality. All of you Israelis who hate Arabs so much only forget the best part of the story. You are Semites, genetically affiliated & associated to the people you label as subhumans…..That's quite an irony isn't it?.

  • PrissyPatriot

    It was NOT a “mistake”…ask the American troops stationed off the Horn of Africa who were monitoring the communications of BOTH sides. Israel knew exactly what it was doing. Stop defending an unjust act.

  • UnkindByDesign

    “is this really worthy of a headline?”.

    Wow, The compassion you show for your fellow countrymen (assuming you are a US citizen?) is really inspiring….So according to your personal evaluation & appreciation of human life in general, the lives 34 Americans and the remaining 174 wounded are not worth the lives of Israeli Commandos (actually, not a single Israeli was killed during the flotilla attack…..).

    But having made such statement you should & will understand my equally apathetic approach to the Jewish issue, why should I care about the Israelis and the Jews?, I am neither…., why should I give a fuck ?.

  • n3542576

    He might be a touch biased.

  • n3542576

    O.K., so it's a penis size problem. Have sought help in that regard?

  • Prattvictory

    If you were a witness to what happened on the Liberty not just the attack but the pressure to keep a lid on it even you might have a different view. There were Jewish members of the Liberty crew who agree that the attack was deliberate. In fact I believe at least one of the people who participated in the flotilla was an Israeli who was part of the attack.

  • puredemocracy

    Israel should have been immediately counter attacked by the USA for what they did to the USS Liberty. Maybe israel would be a better nation with higher morals today if it had been corrected for its previous crimes. The Likud is sociopathic toward people outside their group. Their leader brags about lying and manipulating the USA when the USA has done more for that mistake called israel than anyone else. Israel today has become like a mad dog that bites even the hand that feeds it.

    Any state based on religion is a recipe for disaster in today's world.

  • inL_A

    “The IDF said that activists took pistols off its soldiers for use aboard the Marmara and that it has video proof of the flotilla organizers' intent to use violence prior to launch.”

    BS. If that's true, prove it. Release all the unedited tapes.

    Cenk Uygur: “It is incumbent upon Israel to release the full tapes immediately.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/israel…

  • Prattvictory

    These are the words of Ward Boston who was charged with the investigation:

    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/ul-bosto…

  • puredemocracy

    Firecrackers cannot be compared to the bunker buster bombs that israel uses on people trapped in that israeli prison camp called Gaza. The kill ratio by israel of 100 to one in attacking Gaza is exactly the same used by Nazis on the resistance during WWII. In the extreme attacks, israel even killed some of its own troops.

    It is a huge mistake for the US to fund and arm the IDF because it just encourages more warmongering and more bad behavior that is destroying the very foundations of Israel.

    The US need to drastically cut its military spending, and completely stop any and all funding of foreign military forces, including the IDF. Huge US military spending has been highly anti-productive, creating many enemies from prople who could have been friends.

  • bruman

    Yawn.

  • bruman

    I totally disagree with your premise. The Israelis are not haters at all. They want to live in peace. Time after time, Israelis have put forth a hand in peace and each time, the Arabs have swatted it away. These Arab fools who “lead” their people desire a constant hostile environment. It gets them aid from the wealthy Arab nations and keeps the pressure off themselves to actually do something constructive for their people. If there was peace, the garbage would have to be picked up, the buses run on time, the water and sewer systems would need to be efficient and work properly, i.e. they would have to run an actual government bureaucracy. Terrorist do not know how to do this. They know war, terror and hate-filled rhetoric. They use their populations as pawns and are selfish and narcissistic. Given this predicament, who, then, is Israel's partner in peace?

  • bruman

    Double yawn.

  • bruman

    I get your game. When the darling little Palestinians fire home-made rockets and kill Israelis, it's ok, because Israel has bigger bombs. Call me when you get out of fifth grade, jerkoff.

  • bruman

    Yawn. The magpie speaks and no one listens.

  • bruman

    Hitler started the Nazi party as a small group of thugs. Get it, started small like Mead said. It grew, but it was malevolent and full of hate. Just because a small group starts a movement, does not make it good or just. The Hamas party is evil and grotesque. Their entire reason d'etre is murder and mayhem.

  • uslabor

    You are right, Israel is held to a double standard.

    Israel kills and murders with impunity, and gets away with it. If that isn't a double standard, what is?

    It is time for the US to quit supporting the terrorist State of Israel.

  • BuckJohnson

    The USS Liberty is one of a few black eyes for the Navy, where they essentially had to stand down while a ship of theirs was being attacked for an hour (I think it was longer).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

  • uslabor

    You sound tired so you better get some sleep, and then you can dream of an Israel that is just and peaceful, beacuse it only exists in your dreams. The real one is the nightmare that we see act out its murderous urges on those weaker than itself. Sweet dreams.

  • gary2515

    Relaying troop movements …. are you high?

  • UnkindByDesign

    Well I expect you to go beyond the ” fifth grade, jerkoff.” rational,. and give us the exact number of rockets that have been fired during the last 6 or 10 years,and the number of deaths and casualties that resulted from it.

    (be careful because I have the official report from Israeli authorities).

  • UnkindByDesign

    Well I expect you to go beyond the ” fifth grade, jerkoff.” rational,. and give us the exact number of rockets that have been fired during the last 6 or 10 years,and the number of deaths and casualties that resulted from it.

    (be careful because I have the official report from Israeli authorities).

  • cessnadriver

    Thank you for that link. Most links that people post suck, but that one was a jewel.

  • cessnadriver

    Thank you for that link. Most links that people post suck, but that one was a jewel.

  • cessnadriver

    During the Chimpy and Cheney administration, they re-classified a WW I document that was de-classified during the Clinton administration.

    It dealt with disappearing ink. The kind you can buy in a magic shop. Seriously.

    Secrecy is one thing. A game of informational “keep-away” is bull pucky.

  • UnkindByDesign

    The Hamas party is the creation of Shin Bet and other Israeli services,not even Israeli officials deny the fact they created this radical religious Palestinian group, to counterbalance & challenge the influence and power of Fatah, who by the way was a secular nationalist movement

  • leggs67

    There is zero doubt that Israel knew that they were attacking a US flagged vessel. They actually thought we were supplying intelligence to Egypt. And by the way why strafe the lifeboats? Because in addition to the desire to sink a US flagged vessel in international waters, they wanted ANY survivors to drown. The attack occurred over several hours and embassy's as far away as central africa heard the radio operators screaming at them to break off. It was a sustained attack. Individual pilots were radio intercepted as knowing it was a US vessel and were given orders to attack. Screw Israel. They would do it again if it suits them.

  • UnkindByDesign

    Nine Turkish men on board Mavi Marmara were shot a total of 30 times, autopsy results reveal

    The nine victims
    Cengiz Alquyz, 42
    Four gunshot wounds: back of head, right side of face, back, left leg
    Ibrahim Bilgen, 60
    Four gunshot wounds: right chest, back, right hip, right temple
    Cegdet Kiliclar, 38
    One gunshot wound: middle of forehead
    Furkan Dogan, 19
    Five gunshot wounds: nose, back, back of head, left leg, left ankle
    Sahri Yaldiz
    Four gunshot wounds: left chest, left leg, right leg twice
    Aliheyder Bengi, 39
    Six gunshot wounds: left chest, belly, right arm, right leg, left hand twice
    Cetin Topcuoglu, 54
    Three gunshot wounds: back of head, left side, right belly
    Cengiz Songur, 47
    One gunshot wound: front of neck
    Necdet Yildirim, 32
    Two gunshot wounds: right shoulder, left back

    Now to my honorable pro-Israeli “little Eichmann's”. please explain the physics and ballistics behind the rational of “self defence”, when most of the victims were shot at least one time in the back of the head….

  • leggs67

    one line of thought is that they believed we were supplying intelligence to Egypt.

  • leggs67

    FYI it is a war crime to strafe life boats. I hope some of these people are tried in a court of law. Reposting another contributors link, its a good one.
    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/ul-bosto…

  • H.P. Loathecraft

    Though there is no evidence of that whatsoever. On the contrary.

  • Big_Alpha1

    “The United States and Israeli governments both conducted inquiries into the Liberty incident and concluded that the attack occurred primarily because of mistaken identity. The IDF said it thought the Liberty was an Egyptian vessel. As compensation, the Israeli government paid millions of dollars to the families of the killed and wounded American sailors as well as for the physical damage to the Liberty.”

    What a line of crap from both governments, and that motherfucker, Lyndon B. Johnson, said he'd wished the Israelis had sunk “…that goddamn…” ship! Our fucking president so willing to give up all of the lives in Vietnam and then had no problem giving up a few more from the Liberty.

    And so Israel paid millions in compensation to the wounded and killed crew members or their families, and for damage to the ship. Big fucking deal. They just gave back some of the millions we gave them in foreign aid.

    In 1967 I was based at Camp Lejuene, NC, the armpit of the world, and the whole base was put on alert. We were told we might have to support and defend the fucking Israelis against an all out attack by Arab forces. Yeah, those assholes were shooting up one of our ships and our people and we were on alert to save their asses?

    They lied about the attack on the Liberty and they're lying about the attack on the Gaza Freedom Ship.

    I said fuck the Israelis back then and I say fuck them now!

  • MagnusTheDestroyer

    Swap “Arab” with “Israel” where ever it appears in your lame posting and you'll have gotten it right.

    Your hasbara is so outdated that I'm wondering if you're using the 1998 edition manual from the Israeli Ministry of Intelligence (not to be confused with the local landfill). What the fuck?

    Give it up, you stupid zionist fuck. Israel is doomed. No rhetoric will change it, least of which your sad and pathetic attempts to fool everyone with your garbage. Don't think everyone is as simple-minded as yourself.

    No one's buying it.

  • farang

    Actually, you copied the exact same thing as I did….but I added the following sentence, which shows what a farce this article is, and what an apologist for Zionism this reporter “Nathan Diebenow” is:

    “The United States and Israeli governments both conducted inquiries into the Liberty incident and concluded that the attack occurred primarily because of mistaken identity. The IDF said it thought the Liberty was an Egyptian vessel. As compensation, the Israeli government paid millions of dollars to the families of the killed and wounded American sailors as well as for the physical damage to the Liberty.

    The Liberty incident remains the only maritime attack in which American forces were killed that was never investigated by the US Congress.”

    So explain to me Diebenow, exactly how does the “US government”…”conduct inquiries into the US Liberty incident” yet “The Liberty incident….was never investigated?”

    Liars.

    Nathan seems determined to give the terrorist organization known as the “IDF” equal opportunity to give “their side” of being murderers and terrorists.

    Too bad he wasn't around in the 20s….”Today, the Chicago police raided a downtown Al Capone alcohol distribution center…..the Capone gang responded they had mistakenly shot all 20 cops dead because they thought they were being robbed by some gang in Blue waving US Flags.”

    F.U. Diebenow.

  • MagnusTheDestroyer

    Oh, man, you are just too clever! ALL HAIL n3542576! HIS RETORTS ARE NOT TO BE MOCKED!!!

  • farang

    Actually, the Liberty should not only have been relaying troop movement, they should have called in the bombers and leveled Tel Aviv 30 minutes later.

  • paineite

    ah yes … our great allie Israel …

  • peaceloveunderstanding

    Thank you. I like to think that only sociopaths would deny they have done anything wrong. The more they fight back in defense, the worse they look./

  • sandi2

    Oh, I really doubt this interpretation of history. Look at today's version of the Tea Party. Yes, it started small with a group of Ron Paul supporting libertarians. But, since then, it has been overtaken by the elite with a larger agenda and a lot more funding. I'm betting that the Nazi Party happened in a similar way. Sure, a small group of well-meaning people began the thing but it didn't take long before those in the larger political circles began manipulating the movement. That doesn't mean it remains a “small group of people” that change the world. It means that powerful ideologues found a new way of maintaining power over the masses.

    And, I disagree with your interpretation of Hamas. I see them as a legitimate government of Palestine who may want to study Gandhi a bit more. And they might. They recently said that the non-violence of the flotilla has been more successful politically then their attempts at defending themselves against Israeli aggression.

  • mick

    JFK “magic bullets” AGAIN maybe from the same source !

  • JohnBurgoyne

    Magnus it is not the Jew's fault you are a rageaholic with high blood pressure. You need to relax. I can suggest a good bagel shop in Brooklyn to hang out at and try to chill.

  • Anonymous

    (I have to say this, but no harm intended):

    Do you have a rubber USS Liberty in your rubber “ducky” collection?

  • Anonymous

    Ha ha ha ha ha.

    Hey Norman, does she own a “motel”?

  • weshallremain

    Big Ups to RAW, for covering USS.Liberty. THE ONLY TWO nations that have DIRECTLY ATTACKED US or its Sovereign Assets, in which STILL has not been diplomatically nor militarily resolved are UK & Israel.

    And CONTRARY to common MYTH, Israel is NOT a US ally. Ask ANYONE in State Dpt.

    It is by THEIR choice, to be an ally requires that the nation in question identify its borders, and as ISis RA EL's borders are still disputed, when they had a chance to officiate their relations with US, THEY, the Israeli gvt TURNED US DOWN. We have NO lawful, nor legal alliance of ANY kind with Israel, PERIOD.

    The only “relations” USA has with Israel is when AIPAC tells CONgressional WHORES to BendOver, they do their bidding.

    I am ALL for declaring war on Israel, as Attack on USS.Liberty IS an ACT of War, in ANY book. Plus, as always, the Wall St.owned US Gvt, after using abusing and allowing naive men and women of our citizenry to be propagandized into military, only to wait for ALL injured servicemen and women to DIE out, so they don't have to compensate them.

    How NO ONE ever learns this fact about history, is beyond me: NO Gvt., NOT ours, nor ANY from past CARES jack sh*t about its citizenry. Wake UP!

  • QuadSlacker

    “Of the raiding party, seven Israeli soldiers were injured: two from gunshots, one from a fall, and others from beatings. But no Israelis died.”

    Those aboard the Mavi Marmara who actually managed to shoot Israeli commandos with their own weapons, should be memorialized as heroes. How inept of a soldier do you have to be to be brutalized by unarmed people on a boat that YOU are raiding? You have bullet resistant armor, American-made automatic rifles and sidearms, and still manage to get hurt by a bunch of stick and club-wielding activists? Haven't these people heard of tasers or teargas?

  • tomhoser

    good point' and there is no statute of limitations on murder.

  • tomhoser

    If there was any legitimate problem with Liberty operating in international waters, there were many options diplomatically and militarily without resorting to SINKING her. It is clear after the years of cover up including awarding medals to the crew in secret, and having them remain silent under fear of US government reprisal that it was a covert op. designed to send Liberty to the bottom with all hands.

  • UnkindByDesign

    Thanks. You know what is the beauty of relying on facts, you don't have to express personal opinions and speculations to make the points, this is why I am often hard on individuals who post around here, and who often substitute factual data with personal positions and emotional reactions.

  • UnkindByDesign

    Open letter to the Israeli ministry of Information (& its paid trolls who are active on this site )

    By doing what you do, which is trying to justify any crime & atrocity committed by or in the name of the Jewish State, do you honestly believe you are doing some good for the sake of Israel & the Jewish community at large?, Don't you think that actually you are creating more & more resentment & even hatred?. Look at your utterly idiotic and almost suicidal behavior. Coming on an American news site & trying to justify the slaughter of American citizens in the name of the State of Israel….You should remember not to bite the hand that feeds you, without the pornographic amount of money provided by the US tax payers, there would be no state of Israel….No dollars means no weapons, no economy, no GDP, no international recognition, nothing. Without the US ( & I am far from being pro-American) Israel is a third world country, but sadly Israel ignores its own reality. Without the money given by the very people you consider “expendable” at the hands of Israelis, the Arabs would have kicked you into the sea, and send you back to the places you originally came from. What is so particularly sinister, pathological & intrinsically insane with most Israelis and Jews, is the fact they believe they can justify & actually engage in the slaughter of anybody, on the rational of protecting-defending or preventing” fictional & factual harm that Jews may be subject to…This moral leprosy is similar to the one that affected German Nazis, & it will bring the downfall of Israel & some very dark prospects for the Jewish community.

  • sandi2

    Yeah, the man was a U.S. veteran who witnessed first hand the illegal and unprovoked attack of Israeli forces. Since then he has organized other survivors of the attack in order to finally get the U.S. Congress to investigate it and finally achieve justice for his friends who were wounded or died in the attack. However, because both countries refuse to admit that it happened there is no justice. So. . . what's your point?

  • n3542576

    I am sure your concern with welfare of the Israelis is sincere. In the end the interests of the U.S., Israel and the Saudi Arabia are well served by having a ranting, hateful, vulgar bloggers serving as as examples of their opponents. Keep up the good work.

  • n3542576

    1. I think they either ran out of ammunition or killed all the Muslim martyrs on board. I am waiting to see if the Israelis chicken out or wipe out the next group of blockade runners. I would be nice is the Saudis open up an air route to Iran for even greater martyrdom.

    2. Apparently they are ready as it has been reported that a ballistic missile fired at Israeli from any spot in the Middle East, be it Iran, Syria or South Lebanon, can now be tracked from launch by the Israelis by means of the Active Layered Theater Ballistic Missile Defense System (ALTBMD) developed to protect NATO forces against missile threat and provided Israel by the United States. It is not unlikely that the U.S. also gave it to the Saudis.

  • n3542576

    What difference would it make if he/she is an infidel?

  • sandi2

    I can't attest to the accuracy of all of this research since I just read it today but some of it I've already proven to be correct in previous research: jew puts holocaust on trial

  • n3542576

    As you claim “Any state based on religion is a recipe for disaster in today's world,” that would be Iran?

    According to Prattvictory's post of 7 hours ago, which eight people reportedly liked: “The USS Liberty was a deliberate attack that the US government knew of in advance.”

    If the U.S. was in on it, why would it immediately counter attack?

  • lucky_2

    Of all the propagandists throughout history, nobody, but nobody is any less capable than the IDF. They know their stuff. They are also 100% without credibility.

  • n3542576

    RIght; war, it must be, with fanatic jihadists. The sooner, the better. Europe will never let Iran go nuclear with a missile capability of hitting them. Hasn't anyone been tracking the U.S. joint military exercises in the Med?

  • n3542576

    Calm down. It would be a shame if you blew yourself up, as some of your fellow travelers are wont to do.

  • n3542576
  • sandi2

    Forget rape. A person might be strong enough to get over that. How about the outright murder of babies: Warning! Graphic photos. If you cannot handle decapitated babies don't click on the link: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=…

  • UnkindByDesign

    Anyone who has read my posts cannot accuse me of being deceptive. I tell it like I feel. There is no hidden agenda on my part. I have no particular animosity towards the Jews as such. I am not antisemitic because I believe all forms & expressions of racism & bigotry equal each others, & are reflections of ignorance & intellectual shortcoming. But I found intolerable the perpetual harassment & intellectual blackmail from the Jewish community to blame me & people like me,& hold us responsible for something (the holocaust & the persecution of Jews) that neither myself nor my parents took part in. Jews have to stop to utilize the Holocaust to rationalize the reprehensible actions in which they are engaged, & see the world through the eyes of perpetual victims. Some people actually do hate Jews for being Jews, but these antisemitic imbeciles do not represent humanity. All of us are definitively not antisemitic or crypto Jew hater by nature.

    It is not about “us” against “them”. Both Israelis & Jews have to grow up & stop thinking in a Manichean manner, in which the whole world is engaged in a relentless process of hatred & desire to harm Jews. We have to find ways for people of all races & religious affiliations, to coexist & live along each other, because we simply have no choice…Unless we wish to reenact the terrible mistakes of the past

  • sandi2

    “If there was peace, the garbage would have to be picked up, the buses run on time, the water and sewer systems would need to be efficient and work properly, i.e. they would have to run an actual government bureaucracy.”

    You really have a strange view of a successful society. These things mean nothing. . . nothing! Garbage can be dealt with by having a few dogs. Buses need not run on time if there is flex-time for all. Government bureaucracy causes more problems than it solves. Israel is one of the few countries that are actually younger than the U.S. Even the U.S., being babies in the world, understand that your ideas of “civilization” are incredibly naive. Grow up! Israel is a young bully in an area that is older than God, himself. Get over yourself.

  • Ralbam

    You are certainly not deceptive. You are also barely human.

  • Ralbam

    Sincere condolences to the families.
    But, if I'm not mistaken, aren't they from the country that has been massacring Kurds for the last several decades? Or do I confuse it with the country that perpetually denies its genocide of over a million Armenian civilians?
    You've again climbed to the dark side of the fence, Mr. Unkind, or perhaps you were born there?

  • Ralbam

    I don't hate Arabs, they are my cousins and despite the family feud, I love them.

    You are a different story, you are teaching me to hate you.

  • Ralbam

    Surely you would know better than me.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/GCPX7DXZGK2H2CPNYRR5IS5A64 Turnip Mcgee

    The Liberty is evidence of what the Israeli agenda was then. Direct action and murder of our fighting young. Nothing has changed it seems except the rhetoric.

  • UnkindByDesign

    You are the same individual who wrote:

    “But, if I'm not mistaken, aren't they from the country that has been massacring Kurds for the last several decades”.

    So your rational is that you can kill people on the base that they belong to a particular ethnicity, race or nationality which may have done wrong at any time in their history, their murder is justified just because they belong to the same group.
    Punishing the sons for the crimes of their fathers?.guilt by association ?.

    I sincerely hope you don't claim or pretend to be a liberal or a leftist, because what you have done is an apology of collective punishment, which was the consequentialist utilitarian theory of Nazi Germany in regard to the Jewish question. Do you realize you have discredited yourself beyond anything I could have done……

  • UnkindByDesign

    You are pissing against the wrong tree, both Israel and the US do not recognize the genocide of Kurds.

  • UnkindByDesign

    Yes you love them so much you took over 70% of their lands, ethnically cleansed about 25% of their population, and are keeping the remaining under conditions that even white Afrikaners wouldn't have possibly dream on imposing to Black South Africans….

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  • Anonymous

    Hamas was a creation of US-Israeli experimentation. Just like the US helped the mujahideen in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets, it backfired and bit our asses. The Hamas org was to balance the Arafat-led Fatah and provide an alternative to the corruption and malfeasance of Arafat, et al. Just like Afghanistan and the Taliban, Hamas has gone rogue and is now a group of sociopath murderers.

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    I must say that about hits the nail right on the head. Reminds me of the whistle blower who committed suicide by shooting himself twice in the head with a shotgun that had to be reloaded to fire the second shot. And the American media just plays right along. “Oh yeah, that sounds about right. Magic bullet, yeah!”

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    Hey, they gotta support their own arms industry. Can’t just leave that white phosphorus lying around can they? ;-)

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    Don’t you Ministry of Foreign Affairs morons have a job to do or something? Or is this your job?

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    But the babies stole their weapons and tried to shoot the brave soldiers. There’s a commission report that says so.

    One wonders whom these reports are aimed at. Are the citizens of Israel really that stupid?

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    There does seem to be a bit of that going around in Israel.

  • geo1671

    “Israeli government paid millions of dollars to the families of the killed and wounded American sailors as well as for the physical damage to the Liberty.”
    My dear fellow American, that Israel paid amount was actually Uncle Sam's money-from his pocket to Mr. Sharonnie's pockets :^/

  • bruman

    Go back to your turnip farm, Mcgee.

  • bruman

    It's kinda funny, yet sad that uneducated, hate-fill bigots such as yourself, promote your self-loathing and anti-intellectualism in an open forum for all the world to see. You expose yourself as a fool who rants like a madman about Israel and Israelis subsisting on nothing more than a few US dollar handouts. This is as far from the truth as your mental capacity to form a coherent sentence. Israel has a huge economy on a global scale. Minus oil, the gross GDP of all the Arab countries combined do not top Israel's GDP. The Arabs have done nothing but squander their vast oil revenues and when the oil runs out, they will return to desert sand. Israel has a vibrant high tech and agricultural industrial base. The small, $3 Billion given to Israel and Egypt each year is a drop in the bucket and is used primarily for humanitarian aid to new immigrant families.

  • bruman

    The facts are not relevant to you, obviously. The Israeli commandos were not expecting violence and got no resistance from the other five ships. It was only this Turkish ship, with the macho “activists” itching for a fight, that any violence occurred. The fact that the IDF went aboard without their guns drawn is a testament to the fact that they did not intend to harm anyone on the ships.

  • bruman

    What rubbish you spew! Get over yourself. Man, you anti-Israel bigots love to disseminate the bullshit and have really come up with a hefty amount of fantasy speech over the years. You have child-like thoughts and use infantile logic. Don't you read your own crap? You sound like a bunch of 4th graders. Grow up!

  • bruman

    Learn to spell, jerk-off.

  • bruman

    Nice fantasy writing, Leggs67. At some point, you might want to step back into the real world.

  • bruman

    I get tired of you sociopaths, who are hellbent on destroying Israel and using hate speech to portray Israel as evil. You are sick bigots and are in need of psychiatric help. I feel sorry for you.

  • bruman

    I see. So, to compensate for the Palestinian's chaotic governing methods, all forms of normal government functions should be ignored and order should give way to mayhem. That way, no one is accountable to the people and therefore, no one has to take responsibility for anything. You think garbage collection should be left to wild dogs. OK, you need help, man. You are nuts!

  • bruman

    Listen, Anus the Destroyer, put down that beer and take a deep breath. Stop listening to your Nazi buddies and Right-wing Fascist friends. Stop staring at that sheep in your living room and take your hand off your dick for a minute. You are a sick bastard.

  • bruman

    Ooh, be careful. The big man is holding the “official” report. First off, no one knows the exact number, but it has been reported that close to 8,000 rockets have been fired into or close to Israel. I think a dozen Israelis have been killed and hundreds wounded and thousands live in fear. So, does that make it OK for the Palestinian freaks to keep firing rockets at the civilian population of Israel? And, yeah, you are a fifth grade jerkoff, apologies to fifth graders everywhere.

  • UnkindByDesign

    Lol……

  • UnkindByDesign

    According to former Likud party official, Yuval Steinitz, 600 rockets have been launched between 2007 & 2009 from Gaza into Israeli territory. Israel Foreign Affairs Minister Tzipi Livni & Edmud Barak, mentioned that more than 6000 rockets have been fired onto Israel since Hamas took control of Gaza. Even if that fabricated number was true, The fact is, during the last 7 years, 14 Israelis have been killed by mostly homemade rockets fired from the Gaza Strip.

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    It was a false flag operation that went wrong, meant to be blamed on the Egyptians as justification for an American invasion of the Middle East. Sound familiar? And the reason it wasn't properly investigated was the same reason the 60s assassinations weren't properly investigated and the reason 9/11 wasn't properly investigated. They were all U.S. government operations.

  • SnobsandBitches

    There are a minimum sets of rules that apply to everyone. You have reached the acceptable level of profanities, slurs & personal attacks. I am issuing you a personal warning. Try to tamp your circuits down, or consider yourself history.

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    “and send you back to the places you originally came from”

    I “originally came from” the Jordan Valley and I have the DNA markers to prove it. That Israel is being run by a bunch of far rightwing lunatics has more to do with their need to satisfy the far rightwing War Party running the United States than anything Israelis themselves really want. Do you think that if Israel made peace with the Palestinians that all that American aid would continue flowing?

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    All the Israelis have to do is release the diplomatic cables from LBJ's State Department authorizing the failed false flag operation carried out by the Israelis and aimed at the Egyptians and all the criminals in the U.S. government would be exposed for the monsters that they are. No wonder Israel thinks they can continue to extort money from the U.S. well into the future.

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    The Liberty called for help repeatedly. They were never answered. Why do you think they were never answered? The same reason the military was ordered to stand down on 9/11. IT WAS AN INSIDE JOB, with exactly the same aim: American invasion of the Middle East. Wake the hell up from your hypnotic sleep.

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    The Liberty was flying the American flag. An Israeli fighter pilot relayed the news to their high command. He was ordered to continue attacking at pain of court martial. They knew exactly what they were doing and they knew exactly who they were doing it for: LBJ, in the service of blaming the Egyptians and getting the U.S. into a war in the Middle East. LBJ: The same guy who faked the Gulf of Tonkin attack. Is this really rocket science to you guys?

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    Same ballistics as the Robert Kennedy assassination. Shot in the back of the neck at point blank range (according to the official autopsy) by someone standing three feet in front of him. They're good old fashioned MAGIC BULLETS.

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    Unfortunately this star wars crap doesn't work.

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    You beat me to it. And don't forget the 12 shots fired at Robert Kennedy from an 8-shot gun, one of which struck him in the back of the neck at point blank range. Magic indeed.

    And also don't forget the magic jet fuel at the WTC that burned so hot it melted the 47 core columns.

    They really think we're stupid.

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    Unfortunately, the “facts” are manufactured at a “fact-ory” wholly owned and operated by the governments of the U.S. and Israel. And YOU are not the ultimate arbiter of what is true and what is not. Shooting people in the back of the head does not impress ME as the act of someone defending himself, except in the most metaphysical and theological of terms, both of which the Jews have always been good at.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/GCPX7DXZGK2H2CPNYRR5IS5A64 Turnip Mcgee

    Did you comprehend the post? There is nothing different between what is happening with the flotilla, and with what happened with the Liberty. There was agreement between parties in both events and in this case evidenced by the recent visit to Netanyahu. Another Tonkin, Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, 9 eleven, etc. I'm keenly aware of the history and the details, and know a Reichstag attempt when I see it.

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    LBJ! Gulf of Tonkin! False Flag! MORON! Wake the fuck up!

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    He's telling the God's honest truth. He just doesn't understand who ordered it. YOU are the one living in a fantasy world. Or Israel, which amounts to the same thing.

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    Yeah, right about the time they try Dulles for the murder of JFK and Cheney for the murder of 3000 Americans on 9/11. Dream on. The fox owns the damned chicken farm.

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    Like on 9/11. See a pattern here?

  • JohnBurgoyne

    Oh dear another conspiracy nut ranting in public. Conspiracy theorists are intellectually lazy.

  • JohnBurgoyne

    Yes it's all connected can't you see you sheep. It is so obvious there is a massive world wide conspiracy for some reason or other that I can't quite identify.

  • JohnBurgoyne

    No but sadly you do.

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    Israel doesn't need the Arabs or anybody else “hellbent” on anything. They are committing slow suicide all by themselves. And the only psychiatric help needed is by the Israelis who seem bound and determined to follow their ancestors into the gas chambers, one way or another. Some kind of collective guilt process based on their failure to be murdered. Talk about twisted.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/GCPX7DXZGK2H2CPNYRR5IS5A64 Turnip Mcgee

    After reading a couple of your posts, it's clear. Go back to Israel, apologist.
    When you get there, please take a collection. I want my tax dollars back.

  • Benway for the Nova Police

    This from a supporter of the current Irgun terrorist sponsored government of Israel? I am not a Jew hater. I am a Jew who hates murderers who murder in the name of Judaism.

    And by the way, doofus, if someone invaded my country, stole my land, murdered my relatives, and generally acted like their shit doesn't stink, I suspect I'd teach a little terror myself. Why do you not understand this? I thought Jews were supposed to be intelligent? You certainly don't sound very.

  • JohnBurgoyne

    Please elaborate on your threats. Your post appears to be a death threat.

  • JohnBurgoyne

    I think you also have to grow up and stop thinking in a Manichean manner. Have you ever met a Jew? Are you friends with any Jews?

  • Anonymous

    You miss the point, it is YOU that I hate, not them.

  • hounddogg

    she is giving him a warning that he will be banned…

  • ffakr

    It's a war crime to intentionally blockade a city and shell it in the hope that the populace will become so terrorized that they'll rise up against other factions in the city. This is EXACTLY what I heard an Israeli General tell an American reporter during the GAZA war. He actually said “terrorize”. He admitted they were shelling civs and not letting them out.

    The Gaza war was a terrorist action. They admitted as much on camera and it was just a blip that our media was happy to ignore.

  • Anonymous

    I get tired of you sociopaths, who are hellbent on destroying Arabs and using hate speech to portray Arabs as evil. You are sick bigots and are in need of psychiatric help. I feel sorry for you.

  • Anonymous

    Hmm, your reply is maddeningly paradoxical. =)

  • Anonymous

    not at you w000t but all who are hell bent deserve to go there.

  • PrissyPatriot

    “Drop in the bucket?” Then don't take it anti-American troll…or our weaponry either.

  • PrissyPatriot

    “Both Israelis & Jews have to grow up & stop thinking in a Manichean manner, in which the whole world is engaged in a relentless process of hatred & desire to harm Jews. “

    Yes, that condition is called Post Traumatic Stress Disorder…Israel is the ultimate PTSD state and it is in serious need of treatment for the problem, because it obviously spills over their borders.

  • TheDevilCanDance

    This is called free speech. The “Nazis” and “antisemitic” have the same rights as “Judeo Fascist pro-Israeli”posters, under United States constitution

  • TheDevilCanDance

    Let’s see the moderator shut down yours

  • TheDevilCanDance

    You’re so busy being a professional ass clown that you forget to read.

    http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0709/google-spied-congress-members-by-accident/#comment-61486356

    I think you got owned

  • weshallremain

    “Oh dear another conspiracy nut ranting in public. Conspiracy theorists are intellectually lazy.”

    so are people who are too inept to google, or research FACTUAL history, or buy the REAL propaganda, the Gvt's, at face value.

    I suppose if you don't know about something, it must not exist, or have ever occurred, or be real? must suck to be a precocious 49yr old statist hack.

    Internet is full of imbeciles ranting against the more informed of the world, how much more informed than they, you are not. people are actually laughing at you.

    just another cargo-cultist delusionally laughing at the really informed ones, as if they are the real cargo-cult.

    got irony much?

    don't forget to bend over for AIPAC. I hear it's a kosher.

  • weshallremain

    oh I'm sorry you forgot to take your retard medicine for the day, let me spoon feed your lazy anti-semitic bigotted bum; as you must be illiterate, perhaps you may understand what was originally aired on the boob tube, better. No reading involved, just alpha, delta to theta wave hum:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/feat…

    since you seem to be too lazy to research on your own, or perhaps are physically incapable of clicking a mouse button, I did all the work for you.

    hm… who's more childish I wonder, one who can read and research, or one who is suffering from Stockholm Syndrome with Statism and AIPAC propaganda.

    I'm sure he beats you too, 'cause he loves you.

  • weshallremain

    I think bruman deludes Amerika = Israel. ignore the insensate fool. he'll still love AIPAC and Israel, even if Natanyahu hires Mengele tomorrow.

  • Ralbam

    Let the Turks apologize to the Kurds and the Armenians before demanding  an apology from Israel.
    btw, that's not a tree I'm pissing on, it's your leg.

  • JohnBurgoyne

    but she is among the most prolific ant-semites here

  • JohnBurgoyne

    well you are ranting and a conspiracy enthusiast, so if the shoe fits….

  • w000t

    Noam Chomsky is my homey. We tight.

  • JohnBurgoyne

    Unfortunately no amount of facts or reason will convince the conspiracy nuts and anti-semite hate mongers who loiter on these forums. They believe whatever delusional idiocy strikes their fancy.

  • TheDevilCanDance

    I get tired of you sociopaths, who are hellbent on destroying scientologists and using hate speech to portray Tom Cruise as evil. You are sick bigots and are in need of psychiatric help. I feel sorry for you.

  • hounddogg

    i can tell by your comments that anyone who is critical of Israeli Zionists or Zionism in general are anti Semites…that argument is old and busted…she might be a Semite herself for all you know but that wouldn't matter to you because you and your buddy bruman up there will just call her self-hating…you guys need new writers for your talking points…

  • TheDevilCanDance

    Of course you hate me, you racist ass clown, I am a fucking Goyim, everyone else is dead meat according to your freakin religion

  • leggs67

    Your world? That tolerates this? F. U.

  • leggs67

    A pro Israel apologist aren't you Bruman? Is your bias based in religion? Let me ask you something; why do the people chosen by God need the help of any earthly agency? I say stop all Israeli support after all they're Gods people – allegedly – and with God as their ally they certainly don't need us.

  • w000t

    Noam Chomsky has done an excellent job of deconstructing arguments like yours. In fact, it's amazing how much you've just proven his point. Chomsky explains the Middle East 'system', and how an understanding of this system can help you to make 'predictions'. Well, since this talk was given in 1991, I think Noam Chomsky just predicted your catchpenny comment 19 years in advance. It's awesome. And so it goes:

    “The strategic conception of the Middle East is pretty simple. The major issue there is the energy reserves. The US has to control them, nobody else is allowed to interfere, US turf, too important. There's a method for controlling them. The method is first of all to construct an Arab facade. Family dictatorships which sort of manage it for us, very weak, so we don't have to worry about them, you know, having any funny ideas…

    The Arab facade has to be protected from the population of the region. That requires regional enforcers, that's the second part, preferably non-Arab; they have an easier time killing Arabs, so that's Turkey, Iran, Israel, Pakistan, provides a kind of Praetorian Guard for the Saudi elite and so on, is what Ben Gurion used to call a “periphery pact”.

    So there's this regional enforcer system, and then in the background, there's the guys with the real muscle, US and Britain, in case things get out of control. That's the system, and that doesn't change very much. Now, anyone who contributes to this system has some rights. The Arab facade, obviously contributes… they manage the oil wells for us. The regional enforcers contribute… they have rights. We obviously have rights, in fact ultimately, the only ones who do, and so do our British lieutenants, as long as they remain the lieutenant.

    What about the Palestinians? Well they don't contribute to this system. They don't have wealth, they don't have power, in fact, they're a damn nuisance. They stir up Arab nationalism, you know that is these pressures for these democratic openings, that are always a problem. So they have a negative value in fact. And since they have no… they contribute nothing to our domination of the region, it follows by quite simple logic, you know, that they have no human rights whatsoever. That's elementary principles of statecraft. Human rights depend on your contribution to the needs of power… and profit. Other than that….it's… irrelevant. Well they don't have any rights, in fact they probably have negative rights, as I mentioned they're even a nuisance. And comes from that, you can pretty well predict US policy, and it fact it works pretty well.

    Remember this stuff is not quantum physics, you don't have to have… you don't have to be a big thinker to understand it. Big efforts are made in the academic disciplines and elsewhere to make it look difficult, but in fact it's all pretty straightforward, and I think, at least to my knowledge, there's almost nothing in international affairs or any of this stuff that again a literate teenager couldn't figure out within a few minutes.

    And that's pretty much the way it works, and if you understand it, you can see what's going on, and you can usually predict pretty well what's going to happen. You have to remember to translate politically correct discourse back into English so you can get out of those problems, but that's not too hard either.”

    — Noam Chomsky.

  • leggs67

    What the h*ll are you yapping about? Did I say anything to indicate the Gulf of Tonkin or any kind of a black op was legal or moral? No I did not. Wake your own self up. Look around and read and for Gods sake think and study some facts before you form your opinions.

  • w000t

    As a rightist, there are many conspiracy theories you subscribe to. Except those conspiracies are deemed socially acceptable in the fascist West, aren't they. The anti-anthropogenic climate change conspiracy theory, for example. Completely baseless, yet totally acceptable in your circles. The socialist conspiracy theory.The communist conspiracy theory. Don't get me started. But let's not bicker over that too long, let's instead examine your profile.

    The comments you post, fall in two categories. Either you accuse someone of being a conspiracy theorist or you accuse someone of being an anti-semite, or both. That sums you up.

    Now, as an interesting side note, false defender of Jewish interests, here is a poll for you.

    Oh, and by the way, how do you like this fantastic website?

  • johnniefavorite

    You all better realize the Isreali's are right, matter of fact they are always right, That's why it's such a good thing they run the US forgien policy.

  • JohnBurgoyne

    many posts here generally fall into two categories:

    1.) action a by Israel is another example of a world wide Jewish conspiracy. This conspiracy includes 911, USS Liberty, Kennedy killing etc.

    Quote: You beat me to it. And don't forget the 12 shots fired at Robert Kennedy from an 8-shot gun, one of which struck him in the back of the neck at point blank range. Magic indeed.

    And also don't forget the magic jet fuel at the WTC that burned so hot it melted the 47 core columns.

    2.) Jews are evil and deserve to be wiped out.

    Quote: I'm certainly not against the many Arabs that are Israelis (forced to become citizens of an illegitimate state). The rest of those fuckers can go to hell. Especially the one's with Brooklyn accents.

    You fall into both these categories. Therefore I point out to these people that they are bigots (like you) and a conspiracy nut (like you).

  • JohnBurgoyne

    Oh so you're a first year poli sci student who has never met a Jew..

  • w000t

    Say John. What is your position on anthropogenic global warming?

  • w000t

    That's interesting. Please continue.

  • w000t

    You didn't respond to all my points! =(

    By the way, John, what is your position on anthropogenic climate change?

  • mick

    trouble is for most parts we are stupid …bush two terms based on votes …give me a break LOL

  • hounddogg

    oh! oh!…i have category…

    3.)..Zionist apologist: one who can justify any act cruelty on the Palestinian people.Usually associated with the JIDF( Jewish Internet Defense Force) http://www.thejidf.org/

    (fun fact…the JIDF website used to have videos of that fun guy, Meir Kahane!) …i wonder why they quit posting them!?!…

  • JohnBurgoyne

    I believe global warming is real and man made. You may also be surprised to learn that I believe in a two state solution and do not vote Likud.

  • JohnBurgoyne

    Please see above. I have no idea what the socialist conspiracy theory is.

  • Anonymous

    It’s the Israelis.

  • Anonymous

    It’s the Israelis.

  • Anonymous

    It’s the Israelis.

  • Anonymous

    Can you harmonize Murphy’s Law with mass conspiracy theory?

  • Anonymous

    Can you harmonize Murphy’s Law with mass conspiracy theory?

  • Anonymous

    Can you harmonize Murphy’s Law with mass conspiracy theory?

  • JohnBurgoyne

    Do you even know what a Zionist is?

  • hounddogg

    sure do!…are you taking a survey?…or writing a book?…

  • JohnBurgoyne

    Just wondering if you are parroting terms you don't understand.

    Sorry but my night shift here running US Foreign policy now is almost over.

  • SnobsandBitches

    1) All the posts that used to be linked to my account dated from my pre-Moderating position & are not representative of a Raw Story Moderator.

    2) The accusation of antisemitism is a vacuous canard, since I never posted anything against Jews as such, but against the policies of the State of Israel.

    3) I don't have to justify myself to someone who's entire activity on this site, is resumed to accuse anyone & everyone of either being an “antisemitic” or a “Nazi”.

  • w000t

    I was going to ask you more…but…so… if you don't vote Likud, are you implying you're registered to vote in Israel? Or do you chill out more in Brooklyn bagel shops?

    By the way, how about the Iranian nuke conspiracy theory, do you subscribe to that?

  • w000t

    See, if you were in a Brooklyn bagel shop, it'd be evening.

  • JohnBurgoyne

    I call bs on you. I read your threads and would completely disagree with your assertions about your posts being benign.

    If you were really a moderator wouldn't you be also after the various Nazis posting earlier in this thread? You seem to only interested in curtailing any pro-Israel poster.

  • JohnBurgoyne

    For example here is a post from 24 hours ago that you had no apparent issue with:

    MagnusTheDestroyer [Moderator] 1 day ago in reply to bruman
    Swap “Arab” with “Israel” where ever it appears in your lame posting and you'll have gotten it right.

    Your hasbara is so outdated that I'm wondering if you're using the 1998 edition manual from the Israeli Ministry of Intelligence (not to be confused with the local landfill). What the fuck?

    Give it up, you stupid zionist fuck. Israel is doomed. No rhetoric will change it, least of which your sad and pathetic attempts to fool everyone with your garbage. Don't think everyone is as simple-minded as yourself.

    No one's buying it.

  • w000t

    “I have no idea what the socialist conspiracy theory is.”

    WOW!! Well that's nearly impossible if you visit this site, and read and comment on news stories about Glenn Beck. You're unique in many ways, JayBee.

  • JohnBurgoyne

    I vote Labor and don't buy that Iran is making nukes. I also love Brooklyn.

  • TheDevilCanDance

    No one is asking you to buy anything, you don't like it?, don't fucking take it.
    You pathetic anti American troll

  • w000t

    You are fucking shitting me hounddogg (pun intended)

    These fuckers have a website?!?! This is beyond parody.

  • JohnBurgoyne

    OK let's see the moderator shut down this post!

  • JohnBurgoyne

    But here in Haifa it is early in the morning.

  • JohnBurgoyne

    and far too early in the morning.

  • JohnBurgoyne

    My guess is that “she” is more likely to shut down mine. Mine is not profane, but I am a well known member of ZOG.

  • TheDevilCanDance

    My guess is she is more likely to make an ass out of you.

    By the way Mr Judeo Fascist, no one gets shut down around here, this is not Gaza where you can slaughter people in a barrel, with white phosphorous

  • TheDevilCanDance

    What is in Haifa stays in Haifa.

    What gives you the right to intervene on an issue where US citizens were slaughtered by Israelis, you have no credibility and no right to even post here. Get a fucking hike

  • TheDevilCanDance

    As opposed to the conspiracy that inhabits the Jewish mind, that everyone out there wants to exterminate them. You people are pathological. Lol, if as a Jew yo tend to prefer dogs over cats, do you also label cats as antisemitic?.

  • BenArnold

    Loves Brooklyn huh? Well, knock me over with a feather. And you're right, those 34 sailors were sooooo anti-semitic.

  • TheDevilCanDance

    Global warming is also an antisemitic enterprise that specifically targets Jews,,just like Alien Abductions. ROTF, You are a kook, get some prescriptions & a lot of sleep

  • BenArnold

    Really? Well, knock me over with a feather. And you're right, those 34 American sailors were anti-semites too!

  • TheDevilCanDance

    No, according to Israelis, the US sailors were secret Al Qaida operatives who wanted to commit suicide for the sake of Islamo Fascism,& to give Israel such bad image

  • w000t

    SnobsandBitches, several commenters, such as “JohnBurgoyne“, “MikeHaas82” and probably others, seem to have registered fairly recently, around the same time, for the express purpose of calling everyone on Rawstory who criticizes Israel an “anti-semitic conspiracy theorist”. They pretend to be leftists, I don't believe a word of it.

    I'm sure you're aware of this and this?

    It could well be that Rawstory is being targeted by, for lack of a better word, a synchronized trolling attack (IRC terminology), or perhaps even worse, paid propagandists. I say this merely for your consideration, a glance at some of the profiles will confirm. I request no specific actions on your part, I leave that to your discretion and that of the other moderators.

  • TheDevilCanDance

    Who gives a shit if you are Jew or not, as long as you piss inside the john. You people as so obsessed by your own “ethnicity” that you forget that you only represent 5% of the world population. Israel is a third world authoritarian shit hole, you should be irrelevant,and you are

  • TheDevilCanDance

    He has a point, you speak like a fucking Nazi, you must be one of these White Power dipshits who pretends to be Jews and post outrageous comments all around the internet

  • TheDevilCanDance

    Anti Israel?, so what? I have the right to be anti Israel, just like you have the right to be anti French or anti American. What makes you so special?, why do I have to be Pro-Israeli ?, why do I have to love you as a Jew?, I don't know you and I am not Jew, I don't give a shit about you and the Jews.

  • TheDevilCanDance

    Yes, we even know how they think

    http://tinyurl.com/2cxba3c

  • w000t

    Logical Fallacy: Tu Quoque

  • Ralbam

    You would know best. You have a lot in common with those white power dip-shits. Like them you are a Jew-Baiter and a Jew-Hater.

  • TheDevilCanDance

    I don't give a fuck about Jews, I am not a Jew, just like I don't give a fuck about scientologists Christians and any other religious sectarian assholes. I love my family and my friends and you are not one of them, but to show you I am not antisemitic, I can fuck your sister if your want me too?.

  • Ralbam

    Many thanks for your explicit confirmation of your identity and character.

  • n3542576

    Planning a vacation in Dubai?

  • n3542576

    Your swastika is showing.

  • n3542576

    ESL?

  • n3542576

    How about the Armenians? The Turks killed how many of them? The dead Turk activists won't be running any more blockades.

  • TheDevilCanDance

    Hey Tel Aviv cowboy , I am the one who got restriction of freedom of speech around here. You never had a post removed, I do.
    I told you there is a dark conspiracy against us Goyim, you have the proof the world is not antisemitic by nature,and one of the Mods must be on the AIPAC payroll, ROTF

  • TheDevilCanDance

    You cant see my Swastika (unless you and I had a very close encounter?) it is tattooed on the edge of my penis

  • TheDevilCanDance

    You know brother, you wish you'd be a Dubai citizen. You could ride in Mercedes Benz, get laid with first class American escorts, make 300 G, instead of working your ass off at Wallmart for 30,000 a year. Do you feel lucky?

  • w000t

    Why engage these people. Look at his profile. They're here with a single item agenda. They move in packs. They come up with the most ridiculous prevarications for the most obvious state crimes. To top it off, they pose as leftists. I have now detected two or three of these people, of which “n3542576″ is one. Another one says he lives in Haifa. This is starting to look like a concerted effort. And I'm not one to rush to judgment.

  • hounddogg

    i think the used to be called the “JDF” and changed it to “JIDF” and removed the Mier Kahane videos..i used to battle them on digg.. lots of IDF soldiers and Mossad along with xtian Zionists..they effectively got a whole group of my friends and myself booted form digg for life…i remember that sub about the bloggers…thanks for the reminder…

  • hounddogg

    i think the used to be called the “JDF” and changed it to “JIDF” and removed the Mier Kahane videos..i used to battle them on digg.. lots of IDF soldiers and Mossad along with xtian Zionists..they effectively got a whole group of my friends and myself booted form digg for life…i remember that sub about the bloggers…thanks for the reminder…

  • hounddogg

    i think the used to be called the “JDF” and changed it to “JIDF” and removed the Mier Kahane videos..i used to battle them on digg.. lots of IDF soldiers and Mossad along with xtian Zionists..they effectively got a whole group of my friends and myself booted form digg for life…i remember that sub about the bloggers…thanks for the reminder…

  • hounddogg

    the only parrot i see here is you bubala…

  • hounddogg

    the only parrot i see here is you bubala…

  • hounddogg

    the only parrot i see here is you bubala…

  • Anonymous

    It’s pointless to debate a group of propagandists, but their presence reveals a lot about their desperation.

  • Anonymous

    It’s pointless to debate a group of propagandists, but their presence reveals a lot about their desperation.

  • n3542576

    Now that you have proven yourself a deviate and a Nazi at least everything you blog has a proper context. Why not book passage on the next flotilla?

  • hounddogg

    it is pointless to if your goal is to try to turn them, but the bigger picture is refuting their lies and propaganda for others who are trying to form an opinion…they can be very convincing and if we don’t do it, we lose…

  • hounddogg

    it is pointless to if your goal is to try to turn them, but the bigger picture is refuting their lies and propaganda for others who are trying to form an opinion…they can be very convincing and if we don’t do it, we lose…

  • TheDevilCanDance

    You are doing a pretty good job at what you do.

  • TheDevilCanDance

    This is not pointless,. these suckers represent intellectual terrorism, they want to shut down freedom of speech itself.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks…I’m not saying I give up. =)

  • leggs67

    A pro Israel apologist aren't you Bruman? Is your bias based in religion? Let me ask you something; why do the people chosen by God need the help of any earthly agency? I say stop all Israeli support after all they're Gods people – allegedly – and with God as their ally they certainly don't need us.

  • TheDevilCanDance

    Yes you have a point, indeed.

  • TheDevilCanDance

    Who told you I wasn't on the Mavi Marmara and played soccer with the testicles of the Israeli-Nazi commandos,lol

  • TheDevilCanDance

    The insanity. Here among the comment & reactions, you will find individuals who are justifying the murders of US servicemen by Israeli soldiers. Calling “Nazis & antisemitic” the very US citizen who are actually denounced such crimes. Raw Story is an American news site, yet these individuals who are acting on behalf of specific groups & foreign entities, have no shame at desecrating the memories of US service men, accusing them of being provocateurs or Jew haters, and accusing the same outraged US citizen who demand justice& truth,of being “Nazis & Jew haters”.

    What you have here,is a synchronized campaign & operation of individuals and organizations who are acting on behalf of a foreign nation who receives billions of Dollars from US tax payers money, to justify, rationalize, apologize & excuse the slaughter of US citizens.

    These individuals are acting as intellectual terrorists, they have no shame at benefiting from billions of US tax payers money, yet you as US citizen are being labeled as Nazis,when you demand justice and express indignation because of the crime that has been committed against your own. They are even going as far as denying you the right to suffer and express your pain.

  • leggs67

    > to satisfy the far rightwing War Party running the United States
    let me see if I have this correct. According to you Israel is a victim not a perpetrator and the big bad United States is forcing Israel to do all the bad things it has done including firing on Americans. Are you a child? This is grade school thinking.

  • w000t

    To Markus Garvey: Sorry, I used a disposable e-mail account before. I've corrected the situation. Please resend?

    To the rest: I've just seen this documentary on TV. That's a link to a trailer. I don't know where to get the full version. You absolutely positively MUST see it. See the trailer and you'll know why. I'm stupefied.

  • markusgarvey

    ok…check it…reply by mail…

  • TheDevilCanDance

    People often wonder why are Israelis Jews are so racist with non Jews but spend their entire Karma on accusing others of being anti Jew. The response is in the way Jews are racist among each others ,European Jews-Eastern European Jews opposed to Middle Eastern Jews & North African Jews. If you have a strong stomach look at the way Israelis treat Black Ethiopians Jews, & you won't be surprised with the fact that Israeli society considers and treats Palestinians & Arabs like dogs.

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