[...] Grijalva: Deficit hawks against public option are ‘hypocrites,’ ‘phonies’, The Raw Story, July 25, 2010, by Sahil Kapur, excerpt quoted [...]

Go for it Raul! I am behind you. for what that is worth. But it should have been in original bill, but I still think single payer would be better

Rep. Grijalva co-chair of the Democratic Progressive Caucus … Wouldn't that be the caucus that folded over and over again on the health bill? All 30 or so of them?

Join the Green Party …

The only option, single payer.

TAX THE RICH AT THE PRE-REAGAN RATES…END CORPORATE MONOPOLIES…CREATE GREEN AND INFRASTRUCTURE JOBS…END TWO DISGRACEFULLY WASTEFUL AND TRAGICALLY IMMORAL WARS…SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE…SHORTER TERM LIMITS…PUBLIC ONLY CAMPAIGN FINANCING!!!

Join the Socialist Party. Why stay in the “wading” pool?

Living Things- Mercedes Marxist:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2SUBYvve1I

Indeed that was them – but look! I can't believe they are on the comeback – wow. I'll probably get my hopes thrown in the dirt again, but let's see…

Wanting to have a choice between a public health plan and a corporate plan that takes half my money and gives it to stockholders, megamultimillionaires CEOs, and paying for the gold rimmed china they use in the conference rooms where the real death panels sit, makes me a socialist, then so be it.

But I will sleep just fine as long as I am not a corporatist fascist willing to be a slave to the huge multinational corporations. Sorry but I still trust my government, of the people, more then an a for profit multinational corporations who sees me as a nothing more then a profit center.

Slashing the deficit is easy. Stop handing tax payer money off to corporate scum who's “executives” pile it into bank accounts, and rich stockholders trust funds, instead of their worker's salaries. No one gets a government contract unless their corporation's lowest paid workers make at least 20 times their ceo's salary. Problem solved.

http://www.RepublicansAreADisease.com

You know in the old days Americans took their pitch forks chased after the wealthy and burned the mansions down. The rich gave in.

Today America gets screwed by the rich, ends up with the clap and the Americans thanks the rich for it.

Unfortunately, this is just not true by any verifiable historical measure.

The rich have ruled America–the 13 British colonies and the country that emerged post-1776–almost without fail and without challenge, except for during the period 1933-1945, when their destructive actions nearly brought the US and the world to its knees.

The wealthiest influences in this country have seen periods of greater power (the Gilded Age) and less (the New Deal era), but they are always in control, and very seldom have been challenged outright (except by the pro-union and union movements in the late 1800s and early 1900s, the radical left and anarchists in the 1960s and early 1970s, etc.).

It is pretty noteworthy that, lo and behold, on the eve of a coming election with their own base sick of them and full of contempt for the way they sold out everything…

…suddenly they develop a partial spine and stand up for a good idea they dumped once before. We'll see how long that lasts…my bet is 1 minute after the votes are tallied in Nov. After that, business as usual.

Third party is the real answer…be it green or otherwise. Right on.

I think if there was a famine, Fox News could (and would) tell their Tea Bagger friends that serving themselves up for dinner to the rich is what Jesus would do and they'd go for it.

public option public smoption.

go for the gold, and put single payer on the table.

They don't give a rat's ass about the deficit. They only care if the money is not being spent to exclusively help the wealthy.

Read about the Shay's rebellion. It was an insurgency shortly after the American Revolution. Some say it actually amounted to something.

I agree with your post as well.

The Green Party has the electoral infrastructure and the platform to move forward now … and they don't have the negative connotations of their name …

The Green Party already has many candidates in many states running in the Fall.

Or simply it would be un-American if they didn't sacrifice themselves for the greater good.

Yeah, sacrifice themselves for hungry billionaires. And anything left over could be sold to China.

I'm with ya. Thom Hartmann always says that this is the only country that lets a business get away with making a fortune from being a middle man or pimp between a doctor and a patient.

“Maybe this world is another planet's Hell.”
– Aldous Huxley (1894-1963)

The GOP and corporate Dems want us dead. We are a nuisance.

Yeah they are. They got theirs (single payer health care) so that is good. Rest of us can just keep paying our taxes and, if we can afford health insurance) hope that the insurance company doesn't decide they don't want to pay any benefits to us.

The lawmakers and the insurance companies…they got the power. We, we just follow along and hope they don't get mad at us.

“…makes me a socialist, then so be it.”

WELCOME to the pro-people party!!! Click below to learn much more and realize all the negativity against Democratic Socialism can be attributed to the Capitalist Pigs and the ignorant who, through unwillingness to research D.S. are missing the chance to create a better and more-balanced financial climate plus a more equal playing field on MANY issues.

http://www.dsausa.org/pdf/widemsoc.pdf

Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barnyard Frank and their likes are yet another part of the Liberal Loon Party (LLP). Liberals who love these types of elected people will vote Democratic for the next 200 years and here is why.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/25759

If you have health insurance, you have no credibility commenting on a plan for those who don't. If you don't have health insurance and you're complaining about a public option, your a simpleton. So, which is it?

Here's some “single payer” (why do they call it that when everybody who pays taxes pays for it?) goodness from the UK (one of the places everybody likes to point to when extolling the virtues of single payer systems):

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/7908742/Axe-f…

And don't forget, they're all corporate Dems.

Meanwhile, MSNBC could tell the average liberal that serving themselves up for dinner to the rich woud be the good for the country/environment/whatever and they'd go for it. You have the same lemming-like behavior; they're just following a (slightly) different leader.

Nonsense. The “average” liberal would tax the billionaires until the deficit was paid and then some, and if it was found they'd engaged in illegal behavior for the purposes of stealing said billions they'd lock them up until they were dead.

Why don't you just move to a socialist country? There's Cuba, Venezuela, China and others; why bring that here, where most people don't want it?

Thanks for that link, it's very informative. All good Democrats should read it and check out the links in the article. I'm gonna send it to all my Democrat friends.

Who is this “single payer” person I keep hearing everybody talking about? Will he do a better job here in the US than he's apparently doing in the UK?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/7908742/Axe-f…

Just wondering…

Tater: find an objective link, what you supplied there is garbage.

And pinroot, you're nothing but a stooge to want to promote that garbage.

It's single payer because all the money goes into a single pool and all health care costs are paid from that pool. In effect, the government becomes the single payer of all health costs.

Obviously that money would have to come from premiums (taxes if you wish) that we all would pay. Just like those who can afford it or have access to it pay premiums to private health insurers today.

The advantage is the government wouldn't be taking a big cut out of the pool for profits, multimillion dollar payments to CEOs and other executives, and for marketing costs. The disadvantage is that those poor CEOs and executives wouldn't be getting all that loot. Instead that money would actually go to pay for health care. Imagine that.

I'm always open to seeing intelligent criticism of my values. It really helps to see all sides of an issue. I learn and grow by reading critical items and pondering the meaning.

But this link points to nothing more than a bunch of hateful bile. Can't conservatives come up with actual ideas and rebuttal without making up stuff and name calling? (IE “liberal loon party”) That piece was basically unreadable tripe.

The cons will love it but to adds nothing to our discourse.

lol…we will have to start calling her “pinhead” if she thinks anything that comes from spud boy is credible…

Start with John Kerry then…
Sen. John Kerry skips town on sails tax
http://www.bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/…

It's funny that the ones who want to raise everybody's taxes somehow manage to find ways to avoid paying taxes.

Oh, so we're ALL paying for it. I guess “single payer” sounds nicer than “all you taxpayers will be footing the bill”.

We call it the “National Health Service”.

Uh, and Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark, New Zealand, Germany, … lots of places.. in fact, every other modern Western Country has some form of government run payment systems for the masses.. only the U.S. is the last hold out.

And 70% of the public wants a public option, so I don't know who this “most people” is you're talking about.. you must be confusing dollars with humans, as only the very rich who run the insurance companies “don't want this”, and a few who are content to vote against their own self interests.

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