Fox News ‘anti-feminist’ guest calls dating ‘legal prostitution’

By David Edwards and Stephen Webster
Tuesday, July 27, 2010 21:33 EST
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Breaking news: something happened a month and a half ago and Rupert Murdoch’s favorite news network just now found someone willing to say something outrageous about it.

Okay, so that’s not the whole story … But the summary is still quite apt.

This morning, Fox and Friends co-host Gretchen Carlson took on the issue of gender discrimination at bars in Minnesota, using as a touch-off point the banning of ladies night by the state’s department of human rights, which cited gender equality as its primary motivation. Gender-based pricing, they said, is illegal under the Human Rights Act.

That happened in early June.

Cue Marc Rudov, a self-described anti-feminist and frequent guest on both Fox News and Fox Business. His take: ladies night at local bars is evil because “dating is legal prostitution” anyway.

Carlson appeared shocked. Her other guest — Lis Wiehl, who frequently spars with Rudov during Fox appearances — was not so much. Her response was rather dry: “Get a life.”

The pairing seems to be a frequent one for Fox News, which has squared Rudov and Wiehl off 49 times since 2007, according to Rudov’s Web site. Virtually all of Rudov’s media exposure comes from Fox News and Fox Business, and he’s a favored guest of Bill O’Reilly.

Rudov’s primary objective in his literature and appearances is to convince men to stop “kissing [female] ass.” On his site, he calls the United States a “gynocracy” and offers “coaching” for men with relationship difficulties. He declared during the 2008 primaries that Hillary Clinton lost the male vote because of her “nagging voice” and insists that women actually control 60 percent of America’s wealth.

During his Fox appearance on Tuesday morning, he did not appear very eager to discuss the fact that women, on average, earn about three-fourths of what men earn. A Government Accounting Office study released in 2001 [PDF link] attempted to explain this gap — the often-cited “glass ceiling” — by examining differences in work patterns between men and women. While a number of explanations for wage disparity were offered, the study concluded that there is no consensus on the why of the matter, and that work experience and education often did not count toward a woman’s weekly earnings.

“Marc, now you’re saying it’s prostitution to go out?” Wiehl retorted. “That’s crazy.”

Crazy? Perhaps … But, crazy like Fox? No doubt about it.

This video is from Fox News’ Fox & Friends, broadcast July 27, 2010.


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  • Anonymous

    When you listen to him speak, could it be that he is gay … could that be the reason he is anti-feminist … doesn’t like the competition??? Just asking …

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=526903019 Timothy Clark

    i never thought i'd actually agree with fox news

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=526903019 Timothy Clark

    i never*

  • gypski

    I guess he always has to pay for it, or he just can't seem to get laid like the other self-important GOPites!!!!!

  • SoldierFire

    Rudov = batshit crazy

    The end.

  • billfromny

    Well then, let's legalize prostitution. He sounds like he's making a great case for it.

  • BuckJohnson

    This guy is a joke. Fox should never be confused as a news organization anymore, it should be called EXTRA or CURRENT AFFAIRS (do those shows even come on anymore) for the right.

  • http://twitter.com/WWWexler William Wexler

    So what's it called when you go on Faux News for money and make inflammatory sexist remarks against women? Professional mansturbation?

  • AtlanticCapers

    What makes this guy think he's anti-feminist? Aren't the feminists supposed to be the ones complaining about men always paying for dates? They seem to be on the same team.

  • schlub

    OHH, You Know…
    Poonta Poonta Poonta!……

  • Crispus Attucks

    Okay I may be a liberal, but marriage is legal form of prostitution as defined by the majority of cultures and honest women everywhere.

  • Hooker

    Now when the police get tired of busting immigrants, they can arrest everyone out on a date. How can I buy some stock in prisons?

  • Hooker

    Actually, my “Comment” name is after the civil war general, but since I've been out on dates where the woman has paid, “Hooker” is given new meaning.

  • The Crushinator

    What the hell would this guy know about dating women?

  • http://www.facebook.com/brandon.m.wherry Scott Burnell

    Our whole culture is pitched at women.

  • stumptownhero

    He sounds bitter…. well if I had his looks I would be bitter too!
    Don't get a life get a plastic surgeon and a clothing & hair consultant!

  • stumptownhero

    No that would be professional PROSTITUTION!
    Which makes Faux News a media Whore House!

  • scytherius

    Some of these cowardly shits just need the absolute shit beaten out of them.. It's time.

  • staunchdem

    So it's just another pinhead on Faux. Nothing new there.
    All Faux proves is that you can convince 1% of America of just about anything.
    They don't get it, they never will and they don't vote for Dems or aprogressives anyway so I don't give a shit what they do, think or say.
    Faux viewers are a waste of good skin.

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    To be honest, there is no way to distinguish a real date from prostitution. A man buys gifts, pays for dinner, gets laid, could very well be prostitution or it could be a date.

    But whatever it is, it's between two adults and the media and law enforcement need to stay out of it.

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    Why would you marry her though? you can have sex with her for a lot cheaper than marriage unless shes one of those “no sex before marriage types” in which case she wont be any good at sex anyway.

  • hmpmttysg

    May I amend? That would be two *consenting* adults, *in private.* No voyeurs – media, law enforcement or religious right (which are neither) – needed.

  • earthbone

    This guy is having a hard time distinguishing a date from a prostitute.my guess is he's never had a date .

  • LumberJock

    Are you dense? or is this an attempt at parody?

  • godistwaddle

    Now I was a prostitute. For 30 years I sold my brain and my principles to a public school district, telling kids that if they got good educations, they could get good jobs, that honesty and citing your sources made for successful humans, that knowledge of literature paid intangible dividends.

    I lied, as any republican can prove. A whore can wash up. I can't.

  • LumberJock

    This is an opportuity to demonstrate that nurdiness isn't confined to pointy-headed, pencil-necked geeks. Notice: the Cro-magnon brow, beefy face of the Neanderthal, or the knuckle-dragging arms & hands of the Piltdown.

  • wiseturtle

    Or a prostitute turned him down.

  • TheDevilCanDance

    This is one ugly mother fucker who has a huge problem with vagina

  • bufftrucker

    I think it's more likely that vagina has a problem with the ugly motherfucker…

  • jpbellavance

    I can see him sitting in his lazy boy recliner, cigarette in hand, with a stained wife beater.

  • PrissyPatriot

    What an angry dude…is he just bitter no woman with any level of attraction wants him-or is he just in the closet?

  • palmharbor

    He is also part of the “Flat Earth, there is no global warming society”….perfect
    for FoxNews as a “FoxNews All Star”

  • palmharbor

    I would consider that remark an attack on the Florida and Arizona justice system.

  • javaman8263

    I guess that is the only way this troll can get a date.

  • Pennsylvanianne

    Further proof Faux News is 1.) fake and 2.) stupid for inviting stupid people to spout nonsense that is contrary to the most obvious facts (no US female president, females a minority on Supreme Court, in Congress, as CEOs, still make less than men at equivalent jobs, etc., etc.). The US is a “gynocracy?” Puh-leeze.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MDAYR4NALMKWQUAFVYEJAHFB5U Doug Laurora

    Well, Fox gives idiots like that media exposure on a daily basis. They aim to find wacko viewpoints they can put on the air to make their hosts look reasonable when they say something just ordinary stupid. See then when their viewers compare the ordinarily stupid hosts to extraordinarily stupid guests the hosts seem to be reasonable. At least other media outlets would never air or print what this guy says as he is obviously accusing the the entire female gender of being whores as a way of getting attention. You know, whoring his dignity out for media exposure. Because to reprint what this guys says would be the most gullible act ever.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/L5PHKRPFHK3LLTRDNVH2ZBIWOA Cal

    My wife and I are sitting here laughing our a**es off at this tool. Were pretty sure he never gets any. His relationship advice to men could be a new comedy series on TV. Move over Two and a Half Men.

  • moloko_velocet

    I wonder if this particular loud-mouthed Pig gets any “trim” on a remotely regular basis.

  • Anonymous

    Fox seems to be devoted to reliving high school angst and conflicts, for the benefit of guys who are still trying to come up with snappy comebacks to the insults they received from the cool kids.

  • Anonymous

    Fox seems to be devoted to reliving high school angst and conflicts, for the benefit of guys who are still trying to come up with snappy comebacks to the insults they received from the cool kids.

  • Anonymous

    Fox seems to be devoted to reliving high school angst and conflicts, for the benefit of guys who are still trying to come up with snappy comebacks to the insults they received from the cool kids.

  • Dolmance

    Every single women on Fox look like a hooker from the film “Casino” and the guys range from ridiculous to frightening. Between Hannity who looks like some psycho surgeon grafted the eyes of a door mouse onto a human being and Beck who looks like two hundred pounds of infant scrotum, these are people who demonstrate that you really can tell a book by it's cover.

    That grinning bastard Rupert Murdoch has basically taken an enormously foul shit on the American psyche.

  • allenallen

    So? Stop giving Murdoch your money. Because if you watch any FOX network, you are supporting this crap.

  • jeffery1949

    No doubt. It doesn't surprise me that this putz views dating in this light, since he's probably one of those guys who thinks that he should get some because he buys a girl a couple of drinks or in his case, stuffs dollar bills into a stripper's G-string.

    Personally, I see nothing wrong with kissing a woman's ass, but then I must be drinking the gyno kool aid.

  • jeffery1949

    Wow,
    Entertainment has sunk to a new low!

  • winski

    ALL, TRULY STUPID.

  • morty62

    I view guys like this as simply pandering to their pathetic support base and nothing more. It doesn't matter if he “believes” what he's saying. A lot of Fox's audience are pissed off white, male dorks who have few social skills, are most likely overweight and even more likely spend a lot of lonely nights home alone watching Fox. So here comes Rudov telling them what they want to hear, that all women are whores and who needs them anyway. I'd wager that a significant percentage of Fox's male audience does in fact have to spend a lot of money on dates just to bribe a woman to put up with the displeasure of their company. Fox is all about tapping into white frustration and anger and they do a good job of it.

  • jimbo92107

    I feel so…used.

    Oh, wait! They're talking about women?

  • wakeup32176

    This concept pre-dates feminism by a few thousand years. Men have traditionally paid for dates and flowers, taxi fares, etc. since the concept of dating was born. Ask any woman if the quality of the date (lobster vs. burgers) has any effect on whether they are willing to have a sexual encounter at the end of the night. If they are honest, the response will most often be yes. One last thought, as a police officer I have worked as backup on prostitution stings and guess what hookers say to potential johns when they initially meet? “Hey baby, wanna date?”

  • BeantownDeminWA

    Wow I actually agree with Gretchen Carlson and her co host LOL
    who woulda thunk it?
    This guy really does need to get a life

  • morty62

    Aren't you a charmer!

  • ARealAmerican2

    Boy, talk about your slow news day.

  • Schmice

    A little extreme but I see your point.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/BATQTRSD53GBBRKC2ZELNTTE5I Hardy

    Wonder if this knuckle dragging unibrow felt sexy as he put on his makeup to appear on FUX! This inbred couldn't get laid in a whorehouse! Wait! He WAS in Rupert's Whorehouse!

  • chrislib

    Dating is when a guy spends money HOPING for sex. Prostitution is when a guy spends money KNOWING he'll get sex. Of course, once the dating relationship moves to “the next level,” there is little difference unless both parties are exclusive. Then it becomes more like marriage, which is also much like prostitution: The man provides the money, the woman provides the sex.

  • Savantster

    The only way to avoid “prostituting” yourself in any way is to roam off into the woods naked and live from there. Build everything (including tools) you need with your own hands, hunt your own food, grow your own food, gather your own food. Any time you must “buy” something to live, you must prostitute yourself to some degree for the money to do it.

    The only question to be answered in the realm of people prostituting themselves is “who gains the most in end result from the prostituted labor (physical and mental) of the individual”. When you work for an employer, they gain more than you and you're not maximizing your prostituted time or energy for yourself. When you work for yourself you retain more of those efforts, but simply buying something (which requires having had sold something) means you're giving some of “you” to someone else to get something you want.

    For some (fairly arbitrary) reason, when what's given is money and what's got is sex we consider that “bad”, but when what's got is labor that helps enrich someone else, we call that good?

    The artificial lines we draw on where those boundaries are seem to be fairly arbitrary and rooted in control and faux morality.

  • Savantster

    Actually, since you don't pay FOX directly for access to their programming (I get it on my cable subscription, it's paid for if I watch it or not) the only real way to “support fox” is to support their advertisers. I don't watch commercials so nothing that appears during the shows I do watch causes me to spend money that eventually funnels to fox via commercial air time. Any money I spend on products is money I spend because of things I need, so that money ends up at fox no matter what I do.

    The only way to “stop giving money to fox” is to make sure never to patronize any business that ever advertises on fox. Given the monopolies of most industry in our nation, that's near impossible to do if you want to live in the first world.

  • enorceht

    that's a nice photo of marc rudov and his girlfriend

  • enorceht

    that's a nice photo of marc rudov and his girlfriend that must be ms righty, i hear he also dates a ms lefty only not as often

  • roy_T

    what?

  • AtlanticCapers

    Just telling the truth. Why do you fear it so?

  • mindboggeling

    I'm betting he just doesn't like women. Not that it makes him gay, but a heterosexual who just doesn't like women. I wonder why this smooth talker isn't attached?

  • mindboggeling

    No grampa just likes to sneak on the computer when the nurses leave the desk. Sorry!

  • wakeup32176

    I didn’t write the piece to be charming, just realistic.

  • postroad

    Of course he got invited, again, to make a stir, grab audience attention etc., but I got to wondering:
    why is it guys traditionally pay for a date rather than the other way around? In a “liberated” time, sometimes the lady splits a check (rarely), but if she is eating and drinking why am I to foot the bill? Just asking.

  • FemmeVarie

    of course it is, dating is the period before marriage when a woman has rights to things before she becomes the property of a man, per biblical tradition.

  • Chescores

    Rudov's primary objective in his literature and appearances is to convince men to stop “kissing [female] ass.”

    —————————————————————————————-

    Well Mr Rudov, that's actually a favorite pasttime of mine and women really seem to like it too.

    Perhaps you should give it a try. You might just have a good time, and afterwards maybe you wouldn't be such a miserable prick.

  • FemmeVarie

    not that I support the beliefs found in the bible. It's scary there are sizable numbers of males that support this view.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/3XEMEHO6BZRQB32JGAYJQYDBVE EnderW

    i bet he has a tiny tiny cock, and since women laugh at him, he wants to get back at them.

    myself, i'll kiss any part of her body a woman wants.

  • ya_right

    Fuck Fox

  • FemmeVarie

    I bet you make your wife very happy. Any man who says sweet things like that has to have a wife.

  • wakeup32176

    Why wouldn't we? How many times have you footed the bill for a $300.00 date and then had sex? I can assure you that as a man and therefore privy to conversations with males (the ones women don't hear) this is a common belief. Men know they have a better chance at having an encounter after the date if the price tag is high. I have never heard a guy say “All I did was buy her an ice cream the we went to my place and got it on”.

  • RadicalCaveman

    Rudov is just frustrated because there aren't many job openings for fascist dictators these days.

  • FemmeVarie

    What disturbs me the most about a view like that is some men view it as prostitution to the point of non-consensual sadism on their part. i.e. “I paid good money for that necklace, so shut up you bitch and smile before I beat your ass to a bloody pulp”

  • wakeup32176

    Get therapy, please……. This is not the rape scenario that your family member created in your mind ; it’s just basic psychology, take a class or better yet; if you don’t get help at Charter get help somewhere…………

  • FemmeVarie

    you're a cop, surely you've seen evidence of people who have a distinctly misogynist p.o.v. Why are you supporting them? Do you agree with them that women should be kept in place?

  • Crispus Attucks

    Because women are traditionally property. Not to mention you traditionally can't even give them away… you had to pay (dowery) to get somebody to take them off your hands. So to answer your question why would a rancher brand a cow? Because it's his. He pays to feed it, water it, get Russian wolfhounds to keep the coyotes from getting it, etc.. Marriage is a legal contract that says I own this woman. Yes he could steal other ranchers cows but he might get shot. Why not just buy your own and if the cow gives good head well all the better.

  • LumberJock

    A. The only ones with a monopoly on truth are republican'ts. Their truth is fallacy.
    B. If you be truth, I fear knot. As shit for brainz you are a silent and odorless fart.

  • LumberJock

    Good reply … save it for later. This time it's not your problem

    See above.
    .

  • AtlanticCapers

    Is English your third language?

  • bilejones

    When anti-prostitution laws were passed in England , there was a real debate about the nature of marriage regarding this issue, when women were providing sex in return for being “kept”.

    One thing I've never understood is how porno movies escape prostitution laws.

    If every hooker said that she'd be willing to make a movie having sex if she was paid and every joe agreed and then agreed to take the movie and see if it was marketable- i.e. destroy it, then how would that be different from porn?

  • LumberJock

    No!

    It follows, in order, German, French, Machine, CONOL, FORTRAN and Latin.

    Do you have another?

  • SouthernYankee

    Is this idiot married. Why does Fox have crazies on like this. Yet it isn't really far off the mark with the religious right. They would be happy to put women back to the 1800s.

  • RoadScholar

    Another victim of Tiny Member Syndrome heard from.

  • MonkeyMuffins

    Marc Rudov is obviously a misogynist, antifeminist but dating–for modern, industrial male and female primates–is clearly a form of prostitution (as are virtually all modern, industrial relationships).

    Erich Fromm astutely observed, “In a culture in which the marketing orientation prevails, and in which material success is the outstanding value, there is little reason to be surprised that human love relations follow the same pattern of exchange which governs the commodity and the labor market.”

    Or, as I have experienced and currently express it, I looked for the art of love and found only the business of prostitution.

    I am not a misogynist but I am an antifemmenist (femmenism being different than feminism) (1).

    I am 8-plus-years free and clear of the dating and relationship scenes. I have learned to tune out women I may be interested in and women who may be interested in me. I know the drill: I can't afford their price. I'm middle aged, have lived with three different women, dated tens more, and the paper-money, material-possessions prices were always, ultimately out of reach.

    I am not alone. There are many males–in ever increasing numbers as the empire of infinite growth continues to collapse on a finite planet–in my position (though they may not recognize and accept it as such).

    You need look no farther than paper-tiger China–roaring in futility to imitate our unsustainable-by-definition way-of-life–to see the beginnings of the business of modern, industrial “relationships” as we have come to internalize them and submit to them:

    China's housing boom spells trouble for boyfriends (2)
    “Many women won't marry a man who doesn't own a home. This recent shift, along with soaring real estate prices, has created a woefully frustrated class of bachelors.” (3)

    There are many articles about this growing Chinese tragedy, all reporting that this “new and improved” class of Chinese women will not “love” a man without the promise of a house (or “acceptable” apartment) and car with all the trimmings:

    “Dating websites are now awash with women stipulating that hopefuls must come with a residence (and often a set of wheels) in tow.

    ” 'I'm 25 years old, looking for a boyfriend…. I want you to have an apartment and a car…. The apartment has to be built after 2000 and the car has to be better than a minivan,' read one post on the popular Chinese Web portal Baidu.”

    We–in the so-called, “developed West”–have internalized and accepted-as-normal these dynamics to the point where we often do not use such direct and honest language. “Ambition” is a favorite conscious-and-subconscious code word encapsulating the business end of Love Amerikan Style.

    I've read articles about women and dating relative to The Greater Depression (the new reality we're only just staring to inhabit) and time and again the women will say, “I don't mind that he is in between jobs as long as he has ambition”. It is obvious the “ambition” had better be of the above referenced Chinese variety. If, on the other hand for example, a man's “ambition” is to live life more in tune with finite Earth–evolving in the direction of Daniel Suelo (4)–he can forget about modern, industrial female companionship.

    What disturbs me more than the tragic nature of our business-relationships is the violently thoughtless, knee jerk defense of it by the Left-in-name-only (so proudly on display herein). Such prostitution is clearly diametric to a real Left, not to mention a self-actualizing primate.

    Friendship and love are primal bonds not bargains.

    (1) If Women Ruled the World, Nothing Would be Different, Lisa Jarvis, Lip Magazine (9/15/2005)

    http://www.lipmagazine.org/articles/featjervis_…

    (2) http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/21/busines…

    (3) It is paramount to perceive the implied, Orwellian doublespeak inherent in the unwritten (in this article) modern myth of “wealth” (a/k/a “success”, “maturity”, etcetera).

    Hint: debt (a/k/a “credit”, speaking of doublespeak) is not wealth.

    “As Frederick Soddy (1926 Nobel Laureate chemist and underground economist) pointed out long ago, 'you cannot permanently pit an absurd human convention, such as the spontaneous increment of debt [compound interest] against the natural law of the spontaneous decrement of wealth [entropy]'. The population of 'negative pigs' (debt) can grow without limit since it is merely a number; the population of 'positive pigs' (real wealth) faces severe physical constraints.”
    - Herman Daly on the Credit Crisis, Financial Assets, and Real Wealth
    http://www.theoildrum.com/node/4617

    (4) http://www.details.com/culture-trends/career-an…

    We live at the end of empire, during the century of contraction, in a culture of make believe.

    We are not going to grow, consume, indebt and complicate our way out of the problems of growth, consumption, debt and complexity.

    We got everything we wanted and lost everything we needed.

    Finite Earth is a reality to be adapted to, not a problem to be solved.

  • RoadScholar

    Fox News could be used as a sort of rough IQ test. The faster you turn it off, the smarter you are.

  • wakeup32176

    Normally no, but in your case……..

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/MZCKCRCQV2OWKGFSROSG4IEMIY Howie Felch

    I once offered the ice cream AND gas money, and didn't have to give any of it, and still got lucky. Whatta gal! Never saw her again, naturally. :-) It is, of course, true that dating is expensive, especially for men, and the hotter the babe, the more you gonna have to spend, usually. I stayed out of things and off the market for practical purposes until I met my wife by pure luck. I just could not afford the price tag by any means. Now I'm married to a great woman!
    Go figure.

  • darin29

    What's new here? FOXNEWS hires outrageous people to say outrageous prescripted things to obtain ratings, being interviewed by fake blonds with eye pulls and reading teleprompters with right wing talking points written by upper management that morning. What's new… Keep the “front row Helen Thomas seat” at WH press room in real NEWS hands…give it to NPR not FOXNOISE!

  • Savantster

    It USED to be a contract that said you legally own (and are responsible for) her.. NOW it is a contract that says you can legally speak for each other. The ownership bit is removed.

  • Savantster

    I've never had a $300 date, and I've had a lot of sex.

    In fact, I don't know that I've been on more than just a few “dates” ever, and I don't recall any of those ending in sex.

    The problem seems to be in the intent.. if your intent is to “get some” and your venue is a “date”, then sure.. it's like prostitution. If you're a real human being and a “date” is an attempt to get to know more about someone or spend time with them because you like what you already know about them, then having sex after an ice-cream can (and does) happen.

    Perhaps it's all about the delusion and lies most people live under. Kinda sad.

  • Savantster

    see.. that lacks all humor, it's not funny at all.. yet, here you are suggesting that sometimes it's OK to “keep a woman in her place”. Your fundamental understanding of humans is clearly flawed. It explains why you hang out with people that “expect” to get laid if they “spend a lot on a date”. It's the kind of women you “date” that I avoid like the plague.. I don't need that kind of dysfunction in my life.

  • Little Tigger

    But, but—-

    WHY?

    Why shohuld I go on dates?

    I don’t feel like it.

    I want to play in my yard, outside in
    the fresh air, not in some smoky pub.

    If some girl thinks I’m a nice boy to
    hang with, cool, if not, why worry,
    not my problem, I’m happy with
    things the way they are, why
    should I rock the boat?

    If some girl, say a modern liberated
    woman thought I was so cool, then
    why doesn’t she take care of me?
    Feed me, house me, clothe me,
    and I will stay home and raise
    the kids whilst she goes to work,
    I’m cool with that, why do I have
    to be the one who has a job
    (if the jobbers would quit being
    prejudeced against someone with
    a little handicap, start doing THEIR
    JOBS and HIRE ME!)

    But all this rubbish requires what?
    Relationships.

    Why bother with relationships?
    Its just a big fight all the time, why not
    just go play outside or go bowling?

    Why can’t life just be doable and not
    IMPOSSIBLE???

    I am throwing in the towel on that one,
    I am going to live my life MY WAY,
    I don’t need someone bossing me around
    I thought this was the United States Of America,
    I thought this was a free country, where you
    have Freedom Of Choice?

    Has it become
    The United Socialist States Of America
    sometime between 1980 and now?

    What did I miss here?

    Maybe someone lied at me all along,
    maybe The USSA isn’t and never was
    free?

    Is there some law that states because I
    have been alive for more than 13 years
    that I am not allowed to enjoy my life
    anymore?

    I have not been told of any such law.

    Why is it sohh important that I do all this
    stupid junk, dating, marrije and other
    boring stool?

    What the heck is the point?

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