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White House pushes for warrantless access to Internet records

By Muriel Kane
Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:30 EST
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Attorney speculates data could include Facebook friend requests

The White House has asked Congress to make it possible for the FBI to demand that Internet service providers turn over customers’ records in cases involving terrorism or other intelligence issues without first obtaining a court order.

The Electronic Communications Privacy Act currently states that companies are required to provide basic subscriber data to the FBI, but lists only the four kinds of information that might be found on phone bills — customer’s name, address, length of service, and toll billing records.

In 2008, the Justice Department ruled that those four categories were “exhaustive,” making some companies reluctant to provide any additional information. The proposed amendment would add the phrase “electronic communication transactional records” to the list in order to include the recipients of emails and when they were sent and received — though not their content. It might also cover web browsing history.

The administration is describing the proposal as intended to prevent “confusion” on the part of service providers, but the Washington Post notes that “what officials portray as a technical clarification designed to remedy a legal ambiguity strikes industry lawyers and privacy advocates as an expansion of the power the government wields through so-called national security letters.”

According to the Post, critics of the change say it would “greatly expand the amount and type of personal data the government can obtain without a court order” and represents “another example of an administration retreating from campaign pledges to enhance civil liberties in relation to national security.”

“You’re bringing a big category of data — records reflecting who someone is communicating with in the digital world, Web browsing history and potentially location information — outside of judicial review,” former Clinton administration Justice Department lawyer Michael Sussman told the Post.

The administration proposal also appears to fly in the face of recent attempts by tech companies like Microsoft to obtain changes to the Electronic Communications Privacy Act that would provide greater security and privacy for so-called “cloud computing,” in which data is stored online.

A Google lobbyist told Congress last week, “ECPA is difficult to explain to our users, and it’s difficult for us to apply. The confusion and the costs associated with it really for us is undermining the growth of our services and the growth of the cloud.”

An expert with the Brookings Institution has suggested that “Congress should update the Electronic Communications Privacy Act to change the process by which law enforcement agents obtain electronic information. Instead of using a prosecutor’s subpoena, legislation should require a ‘probable cause’ search warrant that is approved by a judge. This would provide greater safeguards in terms of online content, pictures, geolocation data, and e-mails.”

Making FBI requests for such data easier rather than more difficult would weaken those safeguards — and the Post notes that national security letters have been abused in the past. There are also questions as to how broadly the new language might be applied.

Kevin Bankston of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, for example, told the Post that because the phrase “electronic communication transactional records” is not defined in the statute, “an expanded NSL power might be used to obtain Internet search queries and Web histories detailing every Web site visited and every file downloaded.”

Internet attorney Marc Zwillinger even speculated that it might give the government access to social networking activity. “A Facebook friend request — is that like a phone call or an e-mail?” he asked. “Is that something they would sweep in under an NSL? They certainly aren’t getting that now.”

And Greg Nojeim of the Center for Democracy and Technology,emphasized that the email information is “much more sensitive than the other information, like name, address and telephone number, that the FBI gets with national security letters. It shows associational information protected by the First Amendment and is much less public than things like where you live.”

Muriel Kane
Muriel Kane
Muriel Kane is an associate editor at Raw Story. She joined Raw Story as a researcher in 2005, with a particular focus on the Jack Abramoff affair and other Bush administration scandals. She worked extensively with former investigative news managing editor Larisa Alexandrovna, with whom she has co-written numerous articles in addition to her own work. Prior to her association with Raw Story, she spent many years as an independent researcher and writer with a particular focus on history, literature, and contemporary social and political attitudes. Follow her on Twitter at @Muriel_Kane
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  • ofb2632

    Its amazing how the government thinks that everything private citizens to should be made completely public to them, but then the government thinks that everything they do should be completely private. HELLO!!! It should be the other way around. Why don't you start looking into the governments practices and leave us all alone!

  • TheDevilCanDance

    Which part of :”change you can believe in…” don't you understand ?.Bush was the worst US president.but Obama still has two years to “amaze” the world

  • dgenzle2001

    Bush-lite (Obama) can't help himself? Dumbass this is not why you were elected!
    We have to wait for 2012 for change!
    The republican dream ticket Vitter/Palin?

  • johnfive

    Please protect us from ourselves you self righteous ass clowns.

  • gypski

    Is the President morphing into Barry Bush? Warrants are required by the Constitution.

  • panamarick

    I'm still confused as to which county's constitutional law Obama taught It couldn't have been U.S. law unless he skipped that semester on the 4th amendment or doesn't understand the warning “upon probable cause.” If I were a parent of a student of his I would demand my money back. Of course nowadays doing so would probably be an act of terrorism.

  • damnadamzama

    This is why I'm listening to Jane's Addiction's Nothing's Shocking.

  • postroad

    I will unfriend the govt

  • damnadamzama

    I like this unfriending, it's not new, but it is sure becoming much hipper than when Bushites were telling me to shut up about their leader and party.

    “And if the party tells me five fingers, then five is what I'll say.
    No matter that the four displayed are waving in my face.”

    –EL-P

  • whoodoo

    Again – “Never mind what we're doing behind the curtain, just listen to what we say.”

    In the history of government access to private individual's information, eventually, every single case has been abused for political motives. ofb2632 has it right.

  • whoodoo

    Again – “Never mind what we're doing behind the curtain, just listen to what we say.”

    In the history of government access to private individual's information, eventually, every single case has been abused for political motives. ofb2632 has it right.

  • mk47

    Here's the deal! Keep our noses out of other country's business. Stop launching fake wars to fatten the coffers of the Corporate Greed Syndicate. Do this and you will miraculously eliminate the need for this Fascist security state that was allegedly created to fend off our enemies!! Enemies that corporate greed and gain created! In an ideal world if Corporate greed was eliminated by our complicit and enabling administrations, we wouldn't have any enemies with the exception of the occasional unavoidable random hits by insane lone wolf dysfunctionals. Once this (elimination of corporate agendas) is accomplished, all that's left is the “agenda” of our govt., no matter who's in power! Spying on us becomes a means of controlling us! Controlling us means subverting us while “they' continue on the path to a “new world order”. If that's the case then it becomes obvious that the “enemy is within”. Any administration who circumvents the tenets of our Constitution for corporate gain without caring or considering the collateral damage to it's citizenry, is by definition THE ENEMY!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sFTVmWlZ8U
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_siH5wJTJ4E&feat…

  • mk47

    Here's the deal! Keep our noses out of other country's business. Stop launching fake wars to fatten the coffers of the Corporate Greed Syndicate. Do this and you will miraculously eliminate the need for this Fascist security state that was allegedly created to fend off our enemies!! Enemies that corporate greed and gain created! In an ideal world if Corporate greed was eliminated by our complicit and enabling administrations, we wouldn't have any enemies with the exception of the occasional unavoidable random hits by insane lone wolf dysfunctionals. Once this (elimination of corporate agendas) is accomplished, all that's left is the “agenda” of our govt., no matter who's in power! Spying on us becomes a means of controlling us! Controlling us means subverting us while “they' continue on the path to a “new world order”. If that's the case then it becomes obvious that the “enemy is within”. Any administration who circumvents the tenets of our Constitution for corporate gain without caring or considering the collateral damage to it's citizenry, is by definition THE ENEMY!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sFTVmWlZ8U
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_siH5wJTJ4E&feat…

  • whoodoo

    Hah! It was only a virtual friend anyway. I used to say that no good ever came of social networking, until so many people told me how wonderful it was for them. So, I've changed my opinion. Now I say, no NET good ever came from social networking.

  • postroad

    god NO…worse than Bush

  • dredeyedick

    Obama demands Your email, web data – NO WARRANTS – http://bit.ly/d4qlCJ #spy #lie #intelligence #fbi #ruleoflaw #dueprocess

  • nostrafarious

    As you can see, this is the true agenda of this administration. The USA is under siege by fascists hell bent on turning this country into a fascist dictatorship / police state. They are doing this by slow incremental steps aided by false flag “attacks” so as to not alert the sheep. Obama is a puppet, as was Bush, as was Cliniton before him for powers greater than themselves.

    If the sheep do not wake up and put a stop to this soon they will find themselves inside of the Matrix or inside of a concentration camp.

    We are nearing the last stages my friends.

  • donofcali

    He's a constitutional lawyer. He knows exactly what he's directing his team to do: expand the police state.

  • Hologram5

    Nice one Obammy. How's that change now? Looks like change from one dictator to another is all I am seeing. Not really any change in course from one regime to the next. Same old stuff, different players.

  • pinroot

    But if you don't have anything to hide, what's the problem?</sarcasm>

  • Big_Alpha1

    I thought Barack Obama was occupying the Oval Office, not George Bush Jr. and Diskless Cheney.

    President ASSHOLE, contrary to what your buddy George Bush Jr. believed, there is a constitution in this country that governs what is and is not legal to do in this country.

    You might want to have your chief counsel get you up to speed on it.

  • The Crushinator

    Why must I be the victim of someone else's fears?

  • http://twitter.com/Bugman121 Bugman

    on steroids.

  • turo62

    Oh Christ here we go. Turn the country into a fascist corporate dictatorship under the guise of fighting TERROR. You can give PRIVACY a big wet slow kiss goodbye..

  • Prattvictory

    We should just have movie actors as President it would save a lot of confusion. The whole election process is theater and no matter who wins the difference in political parties and candidates is simply a plot twist in the story line.

    We all know this show is going to end in a repressive feudal police state, why not make it more entertaining while we watch it go down?

    Would you have bothered watching Titanic if it were just about a ship sinking? This concern about whether it is leaning too much to the right or left is getting boring. The goddamn thing is going down and it doesn't much matter. We don't get the life rafts, so start the music please.

  • TheDevilCanDance

    I often mock & denigrate Yanks but I really feel for some of you. Having elected this plantation brother who carries water for the GOP like no one else, must be pretty hard to swallow

  • Felco

    Carnivore wasn't enough.

    Now in every email I insert:” ammonia nitrate” & “diesel fuel”.

    The FBI can chase their tails as they aren't much better at anything else except cheating on exams.

  • overdoneputaforkinit

    When people no longer have any expectation of privacy, the 4th Amendment will seem like a quaint passage from a bygone era.

  • MrEpicTruth

    Don't mind us, Americans! Just digging through all that information you used to think was private to make sure you're not criticizing the government or trying to do that crazy “activism” thing. Only terrorists are activists, and they love communism, brown people, and Hitler and they think we did 9-11! We only helped, but that isn't the point! We just want to make sure you understand that you and powerless, alone, and that you can't survive without us.

    With regards,

    The US federal government

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  • dgenzle2001

    Note to president: FUCK YOU!
    Where the hell is the change i voted for?

  • http://historyindeed.com HIStory Indeed

    They want to read your email but won't audit the federal reserve. They are traitors end of story.

    All of this Minority Report style snooping that they're doing on us comes from the fear they have of our innate human potential.

    We're awakening and their scared shitless!

  • damnadamzama

    Get off of Illuminatibook, now. Remove all of your information in social networking. No more will we be down with Google Health. No more will we be down with voluntarily offering up information to the industrious identity datamining beast. No more.

  • Paul_McClure

    It seems more and more that law enforcement doesn't know their trade. They are supposed to be upholding the constitution, protecting citizens, doing their jobs. Instead of being able to express why they need to search x they want to mine data in hopes of finding something to oppress somebody. Recently the tarnished FBI 'discovered' that their trained staff wasn't so trained and in fact cheated on appraisals. No wonder they can't seem to come up with charges for war criminals with the longest paper trail possible.

    If you can't do your job within the constraints of the constitution and protecting citizens then resign and let someone who can take the job. It's sad that “i want a search warrant because …” is too difficult for our lightweights. For the 'managers', your agencies are your responsibilities, manage if you can. The administration should have a review process to chop ineffective managers and congress should allow the administration to fill vacancies with whomever without a fuss.

  • davidrvelasquez

    What an asshole Eric Holder is.
    He's soon going to take the fascism trophy from Gonzales.

  • davidrvelasquez

    Congress votes down the Disclose Act (about campaign contributions transparency) and the SCOTUS grants corporations personhood.
    Soon corporations are going to be the only ones with the Right to Privacy… if they aren't already.

    Are we being collectively punished for the Wikileaks documents release?

  • http://twitter.com/nezua nezua

    please, they already are deep into your email and facebook and all of that. why these games? is it like they removed those routed datatraps from the AT&T junctions? did they close the special rooms they built to suck up all our data? no!

  • Anonymous

    “The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money and more power.
    They claim to be superpatriots, but they would destroy every liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest. Their final objective toward which all their deceit is directed is to capture political power so that, using the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously, they may keep the common man in eternal subjugation”

    VP Henry Wallace

  • Druthers

    They come one step

  • Druthers

    They come one step at a time in felt padded shoes; all they nneed to take our lives is silence.

  • Prattvictory

    Barack Obama is another faith based administration.

    We're supposed to have faith that they know what they are doing when they spy on us because they have no faith in what we do.

    God gets to watch everything you do, but do you get to see God? Of course not. Only crazy people ask that kind of question.

    Get back to work and stop looking at that porn. We're watching you know.

  • donofcali

    I'd like to think that Americans are awakening. I guess getting burned does tend to wake one up.

    But I don't think the Plutes are scared shitless. They're successfully dividing us using the Tea Party strategy, and most Liberals are falling right into the trap as they normally do.

    You know what would seriously scare them shitless? A million Liberals and Tea Partiers marching side-by-side in Washington DC, armed with rifles, with banners that said “Get The Plutocracy Out Of Our Government!”.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tom.aiken2 Tom Aiken

    Per Obama via Jealous: “We been snookered!”

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/LEUDUVF5EGJZRZETF3KV53P7BQ Thomas

    So, let me get this straight. If I click on the Al Jazeera web site on Huffington post, I will be reported to big brother as a possible terrorist by AT&T, Verizon or microsoft or anybody else who will probably get a kickback from big brother, right?

  • dennycrane

    Let's just become “Luddites” and “Calvinists. Don't use anything technical and humans are automatically guilty. Just put is in cages and let us out to work for the man.

    Or we could bring back the good old Stassi days.

  • http://www.facebook.com/brandon.m.wherry Scott Burnell

    Already in the Matrix

  • dennycrane

    Thanks for the El-P tip for my listening pleasure.

  • damnadamzama

    No doubt. Check out Solillaquists of Sound – As If We Existed.

  • damnadamzama

    I just have to say that Raw Story is the raddest site. We have the most intelligent, critical thinking posters in the comments section. Raw's readers are the most objective and bright group on any comment boards. Kudos.

    We have the best sense of humor over here also!!!!!

  • damnadamzama

    I just have to say that Raw Story is the raddest site. We have the most intelligent, critical thinking posters in the comments section. Raw's readers are the most objective and bright group on any comment boards. Kudos.

    We have the best sense of humor over here also!!!!!

  • damnadamzama

    Oh, he gave you change . . . just not the kind you voted for.

  • damnadamzama

    Oh, he gave you change . . . just not the kind you voted for.

  • damnadamzama

    Hell yes. You sir, are correct. Affirmative, ghost-rider.

  • stumptownhero

    So if we wanted to flood the system we could have “Al Jazeera” day where millions of people would hit their website.

    It's funny that the FBI has complained that nearly ALL of the wire tap info gleaned during the Bush days WASTED their time and did not lead to a single terrorist arrest.

    So that begs the question to who really wants these powers?

  • stumptownhero

    They are just trying to make what they are doing LEGAL!

  • stumptownhero

    Could it be that they are becoming afraid of the masses? Could it be that they realize that they have over reached and pushed us too far and now need as much warning about our attempts to take back our power?

  • stumptownhero

    Could it be that they are becoming afraid of the masses? Could it be that they realize that they have over reached and pushed us too far and now need as much warning about our attempts to take back our power?

  • stumptownhero

    Suck up! Our trolls are a little weak though!

  • markusgarvey

    wow!…thank you!…refreshing to get praise for Raw…forwarding this to the staff…

  • TheDevilCanDance

    Roger that…..We have smart people around here. you won't find criticisms of Professor Beaubama on regular liberal sites like the Huffington Pool & Daisy Kos….Other there it is “party line or die…” Fuck this Stalinist concept of freedom of speech.Lol, take it from an arrogant iconoclast like myself who is neither a leftist,nor a US citizen…..

  • damnadamzama

    Word up like Cameo, stumptownhero! That's because they get beat down. They get intimidated because we excoriate them with ridicule and humor.

  • damnadamzama

    Ain't no thing but a chicken wing on a string. I truly mean it. This site beats the backward thinkers and safe journalism on some of the other indie sites.

  • hounddogg

    Our trolls have no chance.

  • damnadamzama

    Bro, this dude was an occultist and was deep into esoteric teachings of the Rosicrucians. Check out his relationship with Nicholas Roerich. He helped design the Great Seal on the dollar bill. Ever wonder why the dollar is the only bill that hasn't been changed? It isn't just because it is the least likely to be counterfeited.

  • arlojthudpucker

    It's not “The White House”. It's someone working there. So, why not name all those whose brainchild this is?

    Does anyone even ask?

  • cohentelstar

    President Obama will know!!! I have an erection from time to time!!! He will also know that the news of injured and dead people in war wrenches my gut into knots of agony. “American” and otherwise. I have to seal myself off from the Pentagon's “Squid Grid” that poisons me with its' electric ink on my telescreen each day. I certainly hope my most embarrassing moments, especially my demonic possession and suicide attempts, don't come up in an official meeting of high-ranking government officials, and they decide to squirrel me away to a “black site” somewhere and have me relive the whole nightmare to a cannibalistic conclusion.

  • http://temporary2.com/archives/1969/12/31/fbi-access-to-e-mail-and-web-records-raises-fears-npr/ Temporary Test Blog » Blog Archive » FBI Access To E-Mail And Web Records Raises Fears – NPR

    [...] TimesWhite House Wants to Make it Easier for FBI to Monitor Internet ActivityPolitics Daily (blog)Raw Story -USA Today -Main Justiceall 219 news [...]

  • damnadamzama

    Bureaus are under the executive branch, that's why it says “The White House.” Most likely NSA or HS.

  • damnadamzama

    I'm sorry cohentelstar! The devil rests in the hearts of men working the “Squid Grid.”
    I hope at the black site that you become the cannibal, and that you eat them.
    President Obama will know! That I have overdue library books, and I have an affinity toward thinking for myself.

  • damnadamzama

    They have something in common: They are American. History shows that when the plutaholes push all the way into a corner, this becomes the most important notion.

  • yvonneo

    It's not only WHO, but also WHY do they want these powers? (That Orwellian “boot” just keeps creeping closer and closer…)

  • cohentelstar

    I've worked hard to put the devil back from whence it came, that was THEM as you truly say. All is calm and at peace here now. But what a liberal I am that if I was confronted with them I would try to work out a peace deal and cut out the secrecy, lies, and violence. I suppose I am truly a PUSSY.

  • skinnydog

    Gee willikers! Maybe if they data-mined the voting machines, we'll get to know who wins next time. Or at least, THEY'LL know who wins. Wouldn't that be swell?

  • AtlanticCapers

    What were Democratic or even liberal sites two years ago are quickly becoming hardcore Neocon sites.

  • Druthers

    This is like watching a junkie increasing the dose day by day, looking for a vein still intact.
    They come step by step in felt padded shoes; all they need to take our lives is silence.

  • wiseturtle

    uuumm…..YEP!

  • apocalypto

    If anything, these types of developments show that voting is almost completely useless.

  • apocalypto

    Why are you people so afraid to admit that Obama is just like Bush when it comes to the Bill of Rights??? Its so weak. Everyone is so uncomfortable criticizing Bush ever since he got a suntan.

  • http://twitter.com/OMGWhatDidWeDo Trevinla

    He's not just Bushbama, he's worse!!!!

    He pretended to be about transparency – NO, he out right lied to us when he promised to be the most transparent President in history.

    He also has been giving the gov't MORE “Big Brother” powers and doesn't even address the reason.

    We jumped out of the frying pan and into the fire! We may have jumped left but the burner is still on the right!

  • ctcadguy

    Huff post is a joke.

    Try posting the words Inside Job. Instant censorship.

  • stumptownhero

    They took control of the 04 OH election results and nobody noticed at the time. Even today few seem to care so it is not a stretch to think that they could get away with DMing the E voting computers. The good news is that so far you vote is not connected to your registration..

  • stumptownhero

    The censorship @ HP is ……is……is…… well I don't even think they have a word for it!.

  • stumptownhero

    Which ones?

  • stumptownhero

    It could be a reflection of “our” intellect or it could be that RS does not comand a large enough audience to garner the attention of the PAID trolls!

  • stumptownhero

    And these “facts” about VP Wallace have “what” to do with his most excellent call out of the American Fascists?

    We didn't care about Stalin's brutality when he called out Hitler, just that he did “join” the fight!

    The reason I post Vice President Wallace's words EVERYTIME someone mentions fascism is that progressives & liberals need to be able to ARTICULATE what a fascists is and HOW they operate. I have yet to see or hear a better explanation!

  • stumptownhero

    The NSA is concerned that you can have all of those errections without the little blue pill and will be bringing you in shortly for further examination!

  • stumptownhero

    I've said it here and other places before. If the progressives could just explain to the Baggers that we have more in common than they do with the GOP, the GOP would be trying to get the O man to delcare Marshal Law!

  • stumptownhero

    Blocked in the Senate

  • captainmoroni

    Thank you Obama for your lies, lies, lies. You'll attack Glenn Beck but Glenn is on target about Obama and those who surround him.

  • starvapor

    I agree…
    Voting for anybody has become a wasted effort of participating in the delusion that it will somehow matter.

  • AtlanticCapers

    Kos is long since Neocon. Democratic Underground is certainly Neocon.

  • damnadamzama

    Nothing having to do with it!!! I actually completely agree with Wallace's words. 105%. I was just “poisoning the channels of information.” Just kidding, man. It's weird because I read Manly P. Hall to find out more about the Freemason occult side, though I don't agree with his principles. I read, Carol Quigley' s Tragedy and Hope to see how the political/business fascists use manufactured tragedy and hope to gain power and ground on the world's stage – but, unlike a lot of politicians (hope? hmmmm? sounds familiar?) I don't agree with him. Also, I plan on reading Zibignew's The Grand Chessboard for its teachings. Don't shoot the messenger, I get it.

    But, I wanted you to peep the history on this occultist. Not that I don't agree with his words.

    Fascism – merger of state into corporate powers. This is the way that they work.
    We have become the proletariat class.

  • stumptownhero

    Captain Moron you have just given your relatives reason to have you committed. Yes the O man has not gotten his agenda through the Senate and I am extremely disappointed in his CONTINUATION of Bush's approach to the wars and National Security issues like the one mentioned above…but never ever try to credit the Beckhead with anything that approaches anything other than his self admitted Rodeo Clown act!

  • damnadamzama

    No shit. What's with that?

  • damnadamzama

    Empty suit, Obummer. There, I said it. Why else would he go on the View? Is the guy a celebrity?

  • stumptownhero

    I read an interesting post about Markos the other day. The writer claimed he was a “righty” before founding KOS. The author asserted that he was raised in El Salvador and his family had “Company” connections and Markos was a CIA plant in the blogosphere.
    I wouldn't put this past the CIA but it sounds, as it is supposed to sound, a little “out there”

  • stumptownhero

    and use big words like excoriate!

  • stumptownhero

    Thanks for the references and your eruditeness on the subject.

  • AtlanticCapers

    That rumor's been around for a while. I don't know if there's any truth to it, but there are CIA assets everywhere. They don't spend all that money on fake mustaches.

  • TheDevilCanDance

    Come on people, we can all make a lot of assumptions, but what is transparent about Markos, is his devotion to the DNC, this is where his money come from. The sucker is protecting his church, he doesn't have to be a CIA tool to do that.

  • TheDevilCanDance

    Lol, The Moderators will love you for making such statements…..and they should :)

  • TheDevilCanDance

    I am not from the left and not even a US citizen but what I know from US politics,is that you need a presidential ticket with Dennis Kucinich and Jesse Ventura. Ventura has a lot of appeal and supporters among independents, “reasonable Republicans & mainstream Americans.

  • AtlanticCapers

    No, sorry. Markos' god is the CIA. To Markos, the CIA is a global stabilizing force and he's never had any problem with them whatsoever. i guess that why he wanted so badly to work for them.

  • SynGas

    Trojan Whores.

  • overdoneputaforkinit

    Got to have something for those 854,000 people employed as spys, plus the tens of thousands they plan on hiring in the near future. Especially since the terrorism situation has peaked, they are looking for a new paranoia reasons to exist. There is no top limit to the budget of the spy business. You don't expect any one of the 263 top secret spy organizations created since the 2001 to be eliminated, do you? They now exist to come up with some creative events to keep people scared and their noses to the grindstone, because constant fear over security keeps stupid people from noticing how their freedom is being taken away, and they are being conditioned to be wage slaves that never complain because the country is aways “at war.”

  • Westcoastliberal

    WTF? Whatever happened to the Bill of Rights in this country? Sure law enforcement should be able to have access to private information but ONLY after a judge has approved a SEARCH WARRANT! What the hell is this Democratic administration thinking? Do they think we'll continue to be sheeple and let this crap continue? I for one do not intend on voting in the upcoming mid-term as I can't force myself to vote for ANY Gop candidates and WON'T vote to continue such draconian police-state policies.

  • stumptownhero

    TDCD,
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