Fox legal analyst: Bush should have been indicted

By David Edwards
Monday, July 12th, 2010 -- 10:39 am

2009 04 23 070411 Fox legal analyst: Bush should have been indicted

Fox News' senior judicial analyst made some surprising remarks Saturday that may go against the grain at his conservative network.

In a interview with Ralph Nader on C-SPAN's Book TV to promote his book Lies the Government Told You, Judge Andrew Napolitano said that President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney should have been indicted for "torturing, for spying, for arresting without warrant."

The judge believes that it is a fallacy to say that the US treats suspects as innocent until proven guilty. "The government acts as if a defendant is guilty merely on the basis of an accusation," said Napolitano.

Nader was curious about how this applied to the Bush administration. "What about the more serious violations of habeas corpus," wondered Nader. "You know after 9/11 Bush rounded up thousands of them, Americans, many of them Muslim Americans or Arabic Americans and they were thrown in jail without charges. They didn't have lawyers. Some of them were pretty mistreated in New York City. You know they were all released eventually."

"Well that is so obviously a violation of the natural law, the natural right to be brought before a neutral arbiter within moments of the government taking your freedom away from you," answered Napolitano.

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"So what President Bush did with the suspension of habeas corpus, with the whole concept of Guantanamo Bay, with the whole idea that he could avoid and evade federal laws, treaties, federal judges and the Constitution was blatantly unconstitutional and is some cases criminal," he continued.

"What should be the sanctions [for Bush and Cheney]?" asked Nader.

"They should have been indicted. They absolutely should have been indicted for torturing, for spying, for arresting without warrant," said Napolitano.

"I'd like to say they should be indicted for lying but believe it or not, unless you're under oath, lying is not a crime. At least not an indictable crime. It's a moral crime," he said.

This isn't the first time that Napolitano's comments have veered away from the standard talking points at Fox News. He has predicted that Arizona's controversial immigration law will be blocked by the court. Napolitano also said Arizona's governor would "bankrupt the Republican Party" fighting for the law.

The liberal blog Crooks and Liars has more details on the Nader/Napolitano inteview.

This video is from C-SPAN's Book TV, broadcast July 10, 2010.

View Comments to “Fox legal analyst: Bush should have been indicted”

1ron1127
Fox news is about to persecute Obama for doing what Bush did?
2gypski
Should have been? How about will be indicted? Sound more realistic and would sooth the American spirit's soul. Remember, no one is above the law?
3Denis Robert
Put a fork in him, he's cooked. You can't go against the party line at Fox that often (twice!!!!) and survive the act.
Methinks Napolitano will get purged by the Foxlitburo!
4felixthecatxxxx
He is no longer a judge, so you can stop calling him that. It gives him a weight of authority that is undeserved.
5WJM51
Oops, a crack in the concrete of Faux Noise. But then, this interview was done by Ralph Nader, who isn't a corporate ass kisser. Funny that they actually aired it, but I suspect that they believe their audience either wouldn't with it, or they wouldn't understand it. Either one is most likely accurate.
He is right. W and Cheney should be sitting in a jail cell right now (Cheney for war profiteering, if nothing else). Never before has anyone shit on the job of PROTECTING our way of life so completely. Why these two are still allowed to walk the streets as free men is completely beyond me. But if one group wants to have the same power the last bunch had, they won't prosecute the former group for handing them all that power, will they? Not if they want to keep that power (and they ALL do. It's a sickness with the political “class”).
Too bad we now live in the most selfish country in the world. We now, after 30 years of “conservative” horse shit “governing”, we don't think of ourselves as Americans, we think of ourselves as individuals. What a change since my youth. And what a shame that such a pig headed, selfish bunch of scum like the “conservatives” could have done so much damage to the soul of a country in so few years.
6crowseye
“Asked this weekend during a Vermont Public Radio interview if Bush administration officials would face war crimes, Senate Judiciary Chairman Patrick Leahy flatly said, 'In the United States, no.'”
'These things are not going to happen,' said Leahy, D-Vt.”
http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/12/10/for...
7thewizard1566
So how long before Napolitano is out of work? Or will he retract his statements and apologize to the GOP for tarnishing their former golden boy?
8H.P. Loathecraft
That was a decidedly and refreshingly candid conversation for a change.
9beakie
This interview is actually six weeks old, but has been in reruns this weekend.
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/293848-1
10enorceht
the one and only reason that this “surpising” statement was made by andrew napolitano was to sell books
11H.P. Loathecraft
If he were a active judge, one would address him as “your honor”. As a retired judge, that would be “judge”. His authority is derived from his experience on the bench, not his handle. I know that may be inconvenient fact.
Wikipedia-
**A senior judge, in U.S. practice, is a retired judge who handles selected cases for a governmental entity while in retirement, on a part-time basis.**
**Judges who derive their authority from a contractual agreement of the parties to a dispute, rather than a governmental body are called arbitrators. They typically do not receive the honorific forms of address nor do they bear the symbolic trappings of a publicly appointed judge. However, it is now common for many retired judges to serve as arbitrators, and they will often write their names as if they were still judges, with the parenthetical “(Ret.)” for “Retired.”**
So, yeah, it's “Judge” Napolitano to you.
I know its tough to actually hear the unvarnished truth from a pro-life Catholic libertarian for you Kool-Aid saturated true believers….
12Sarcasmlost
He is so fired.
13Sarcasmlost
Ridiculous. It's an honorific that persists, as do many others such as “reverend”, “doctor”, “counselor”, “father”, even “coach”…
14airjackie
Bush will be charged with War Crimes but will blame Dick Cheney. As the United Nations gets around to the charges we see even today many are being brought to justice. Daddy Bush will not see his son brought to justice but the rest of the family will. Cheney is going right to hell so he's covered.
15brain1
That Guy has got the most Stupid looking Hair. Why do they let him on TV with that Hair?
16DownriverDem
Exactly why Bush and Cheney did not testifiy under oath.
17when_the_whip_comes_down
But the laws are written differently for the different classes.
The filter known as assets does a wonderful job of cleansing away impurity.
18DownriverDem
Please move to the style section. Your comment is embarrassing.
19tdoff
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20inky99
That's why we need to get rid of every single Dem, every single Repub, and replace them with human beings who will respect the rule of law and the Constitution.
No more Dems, no more Repubs, new parties, new everything.
21inky99
Obama's no better. Obama's doing everything Bush did, and is in fact setting it in stone.
Can you imagine Obama even so much as starting an investigation into the Bush/Cheney crimes? Of course not. Because he's one of them, a member of their gang
22overdoneputaforkinit
When Clinton lied about what he did with his willy, well golly-gee that lie got him impeached.
23MrCharm
Ahh…the Judge has a few brief moments of sanity.
24brain1
Your Embarrassed by that? Oooooohh …Poor Baby…..
25ed01
In the next few days he will say he was off his meds & misspoke.
26ProudPrimate
Is he a lawyer? Why doesn't he file suit himself?
27brain1
He does look a lot like Eddie Munster though…
28chrislib
The fact that bu$h and cheeney are not in Gitmo proves obama is bu$h's third term. Wall Street, Big Oil and Friends own the gubmnt now. We mere taxpayers are nothing more than revenue sources for criminals.
29kasinca
Wow! Amazing! A right wing FAUXKOOK saying something I actually agree with.
30Hooker
One major reason Bush and Cheney did not testify was that Obama did not push it. Remember his absurd “we must not think of the past, we must think of the future,” statement? That's the one I'm sure all who have commit crimes believe in. We'd have no prisons if that were guidance for our justice system. All crimes are commited in the past.
31Lodewijk
Whoa, cognitive dissonance on Faux News. Napolitano is right, the Bush-Cheney neocon gang should have been indicted and convicted of war crimes. Bush admitted publicly that he oversaw torture, as did Cheney; it's been revealed that they illegally spied domestically on American citizens; and they presided over widescale corruption. So Napolitano is only speaking the truth.
Too bad the sad-sack Demo administration in there now won't do a damned thing about any of this.
32Third_stone
We all agree now. All that is left is to do it. I would prefer to start with Cheney, because George is too dumb to be the lead, and he did not pardon Cheney. I think toward the end he realized that he had gotten in with a bad lot. Will he testify? I will ask Obama.
33NadePaulKuciGravMcKi
Lies The Government Told You
by
Andrew Napolitano
interviewed by
Ralph Nader
on
C SPAN
34smallbear
Nevermind that the DOJ is shot through with Bush appointees who would sabotage any case brought against any member of Bushco, appointeess who refuse to be rooted out. There's no point in bringing perpetrators to trial if they will be acquitted or let off in a mistrial, or a reduced charge as happened with Cheney's boy. Then they would be safe, due to double jeopardy. The DOJ is broken, and until it is purged of these moles, prosecution of Bush and Cheney will not happen.
35oktoss
Since Obama and the Dems refuse to prosecute Bush-Cheney, we really have no alternative but to believe that Obama et al. are breaking laws themselves and they don't want to be prosecuted if caught. On that note, if Obama and Co. are caught breaking the law, they should be prosecuted for any laws THEY broke plus RICO charges for Bush and Cheney.
If Obama knows about it and fails to prosecute then he is guilty of a coverup AND he owns the Bush-Cheney crimes. People, if we don't start now showing these politicos they aren't above the laws that govern us, including any US Prez who's gone wild – we're going to end up as slaves to a fascist dictator. I'm not saying it will be Obama I'm saying that a dictator is in our future if we don't do something now.
36smallbear
See my reply to Hooker.
37rsb1
So……………………………. why is it too late to go back and do something about it ?..
38smallbear
So when are you filing to run for office? Not willing? Then don't complain about those who do.
39smallbear
See my reply to Hooker.
40shinyorbs
omfg this slimeball needs to just stfu and go away. He sat there on Fox News praising Bush/Cheney all those years, so bite me lardass.
41AtlanticCapers
Yep, Obama is far worse than Bush. And Bush was (is) one evil fucking Nazi.
42indignant99
Absolutely, positively correct. This filthy neocon does not get off the shit-list by uttering a few insincere words.
43UserLoser
Tried, likely convicted and pardoned. Get it over with already. As it stands every criminal in the United States has a good case for selective prosecution. The Rule of Law is in tatters and nobody seems to care.
44sacxtra
What's the point anymore. Since their lies were allowed to continue, and their actions have shred the Constitution, and now a whole new domestic spying infrastructure is installed.
What really needs to happen is everyone lose their D vs R paradigm (both are scum when they are influenced by foreign agents like (AIPAC, CFR, TC, IMF, UNEP, Carbon Taxers, Gun Grabbers) and the rest of these unconstitutional laws rolled back.
Restore the Constitution, then go after those who screwed it up, by comparing it's stated with the current people at the “current time” who changed it.
45UserLoser
The Black Bush.
46shinyorbs
*looks around* good question…my jaw hit the ground many, many times during W's presidency…
…and all I could do was shake my head and think “A stain on a blue dress, or the definition of a word” took down Clinton…
I really detest the GOP.
473arthling
Since these policies continue, it follows logically that BHO should be indicted as well.
48winski
It's hard to fire someone that is just telling the truth… BUT, I'm sure that Cluster-Fox will find a way….
493arthling
Right after the devil opens his new hockey rink.
50stumptownhero
If hell froze over and CONGRESS decided to take the Bush crime family to court it would be with SPECIAL prosecutor and staffed W/O Bush appointees!
51stumptownhero
The judge's must know that his contract is not going to be renewed! Why else would he suddenly develop a conscious?
52stumptownhero
The judge's must know that his contract is not going to be renewed! Why else would he suddenly develop a conscious?
53texanarch
He is correct. Bush and Cheney are criminals and should be apprehended, tried and convicted.
RICO should be used to bring down the whole Bush Crime Family.
54chrisinva
After Ross Perot's scare, both parties made a deal to cash in and keep everybody else out. Imagine, in a two-trillion dollar war, wouldn't we be lucky if only one percent went to corruption? And one percent of 2 trillion is twenty billion. Frankly, I think it's close to a trillion. And where are the criminals? Defense/security “contractors,” union lugs, banksters, lobbyists, even the bureaucrats we can't fire and whose cushy pensions we have to pay for life. They get to retire at 55 with full pay while we work til 75 to pay them.
They're fat, happy, running the world, and telling us to be grateful.
NOT!!
55ôl ə twit′ər
Judge Andrew Napolitano said that President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney should have been indicted for “torturing, for spying, for arresting without warrant.”
Judge Andrew Napolitano for Attorney General!
56miscellany101
Finally!
57AtlanticCapers
Those are Obama guys, not Bush. Obama had every chance to change the guard but decided not to.
58UnkindByDesign
Thank you mother fucker, two years too late…..
59Scott Burnell
Like that will happen. The Bush Crime family is too well connected
60AtlanticCapers
That's not true. Lying is often a crime independent of any oath one might take.
61Scott Burnell
They couldnt even get his fucking grandpa for collaborating with nazis
62weshallremain
thank you mother fucker, you are TWO DECADES too late. Judge Andrew Napolitano has been saying the SAME, under Clinton, as well as Bush yrs.
Just because you were unaware, or have not been paying attention, does NOT mean it does not go on in the world.
if the false L vs. R paradigm stuck MINDLESS “liberals” and “conservatives” actually were sane and smart enough to discern someone's quality based on the merits of their statement and actions, and NOT based on some artificial label NONE of us were born with, you wouldn't see such ubiquity of presumptive broadstroke judgments.
63weshallremain
plus had RAWstory actually were awake, they WOULD have showcased Judge Andrew Napolitano, rather than kissing oBUSHma & his Admin's lackeys, “liberals” would know how the likes of Judge Nap. and Ron Paul have been making the SAME PRINCIPLED-INTERGRITY arguments throughout their lives, REGARDLESS of which party were in charge.
this speaks more on the utter lack of insight on false L vs.R. paradigm stuck liberals, than does of Judge Nap, or Ron Paul.
64w000t
Fox News is to the American terrorists (with suits) what As-Sahab is to Al Qaeda.
65stumptownhero
An archive serach at Media Matters for America would show that the judge has NOT always been a “principled” contributor on Faux News.
66Clevelandchick
Isn't it funny how some Cons are all about disowning those 8 years? Where was this guy during the Bush Administration's crime spree? He was on Fox but he wasn't calling for them to be indicted or go to jail that's for sure.
67Clevelandchick
When did this guy open his pie-hole about Bush/Cheney being indicted once during those 8 years?
68Clevelandchick
Exactly.
69Clevelandchick
I warned so many Republicans about the power grab by Bush/Cheney….'just wait till a Democrat has the same power, will you be just as “patriotic”?
You give away rights and cede power that were fought for and won with much pain, good luck getting them back.
70Clevelandchick
Dennis Kucinich was one of the few Democrats who tried to get them held accountable, I will vote for that man every time.
71Clevelandchick
Hardly, he never opened his yap once during the time it would have counted.
72inky99
Oh bite me. Jesus I can't believe you said such a STUPID STUPID thing.
73inky99
It's not. There's no statute of limitations on torture and murder.
74Eyeball_Kid
Not only are the “Cons” disowning those last 8 years, but Eric Holder's DOJ is doing the same thing. They've got a job to do, and they're refusing to do it. They are ACTIVELY avoiding the investigations and prosecutions of war criminals who have ADMITTED to committing international war crimes.
In essence, the Holder DOJ is supporting the use of torture, war crimes, and mass murder by anyone in positions of power. And who's Holder's boss?
75inky99
He should say “should be” rather than “should have been”.
I don't think there's any statute of limitations for the crimes Bush and Cheney and their gang committed.
76UnkindByDesign
Tell it to someone who gives a fuck…..The world is not defined and limited to the moronic American duality of Democrats – Republicans…..This is your shit, deal with it.
You may bark at the moon, now…..
77Eyeball_Kid
Nope. That won't work. Karma is an hypothetical construct that has no foundation in law, the natural, or the social sciences. It's a great concept, but it's part of a belief system that can encourage folks to just sit back and wait for KARMA to do its magic. And it's a great argument for Eric Holder to use as he sits on his hands and does NOTHING to prosecute known and admitted war criminals.
78WJM51
Obama isn't the topic, now, is he? And you have to see his actions from the standpoint of W, who made everything that you are bitching about Obama for possible. If W hadn't passed one executive decision after another, essentially making himself and Cheney unaccountable for anything, it wouldn't have been possible for Obama to do so, would it? The fact is that W and Cheney pushed things so far that no one else can be held accountable for anything as a result. There is now the precedent of “W got away with it, so it's legal”. Kind of the more modern version of Nixon's “If the president does it, it's not illegal”.
The point is that once W did it and no one in congress stood up and demanded justice for the American people, and especially once the courts essentially okayed everything they did, those things WERE set in stone. You can't blame the next guy for playing the game as set up by the previous players. This isn't Obama's fault, it's W's, squarely and right on the ass.
Power, once taken or granted, is NEVER Given back without a fight. Some of us understood that when W and Cheney were wiping their asses with the constitution and laughing in our faces about it. We knew that the next guy could be worse than W, and while I disagree that Obama is, the potential is there regardless of WHO is in the office. Face it, no one in that office will make you happy.
Elections DO have consequences. IF Gore had been put in office, like SHOULD have been considering the final count in Florida done after 9-11 that showed him up by over 500,000 votes, we wouldn't have been stuck with Roberts or Scalia, would we? I sincerely doubt that 9-11 would have been anything other than just another day, as Gore wouldn't have ignored every warning that came along, and I'm damned sure that even if it HAD happened as it did, we wouldn't have been lied into two wars so he could be a popular war time president. We wouldn't be spied on in unprecedented and unconstitutional ways, and we wouldn't have the shame of Gitmo staring us in the international face.
You want the next guy to be honest? Then you have to hold the first guy accountable. That is the problem. Congress didn't call W on anything, there is NO way they can do so with Obama. The precedent has already been set, and it's too damned late. The cat is out of the bag, and he ain't going back in. Nixon should have been sent to jail for Watergate. Reagan should have gone to jail for Iran/Contra. CLinton should have gone to jail for NAFTA and GATT. W should have been put in jail for being such an arrogant, shit eating piece of shit. Cheney for being ugly and war profiteering. Ford should have been in jail for the Warren Commission BS, and being a drunk. How far back do you want to go?
79Eyeball_Kid
Not for Fox, who had a court of law assert FoxNews' right to lie to the public. A few years ago, they fired a FoxNews journalist who would not broadcast an outright lie meant to deceive the viewing public. Their right to fire based upon the journalist's insistence on telling the truth was upheld.
80winski
I DO remember that court decision…Ooops !! Now Cluster-Fox can (and does) lie about EVERYTHING and since most Cluster-Fox viewers are dumber than a bag of hammers it won't matter!!
81theoracle
And they didn't even mention the criminal, treasonable outing of covert CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson by top Bush/Cheney administration officials, with VP Dick Cheney setting it in motion and P George W. Bush seeking to hide what his VP had done afterward.
Ronald Reagan got away with his crimes. George H.W. Bush got away with his crimes. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney got away with their crimes.
I can hear American children across the land saying, “I want to grow up to be a Republican, mommy, so I can get away with crimes, too. Can I? Huh? Can I?”
What a great example these Republicans have set for our nation's children. No wonder our country is in its current sorry shape.
82inky99
Oh my god, you Obama supporters will go to delusional lengths to support your guy. You just can't accept that Obama was a Trojan Horse, sent into the system by the same fascist corporatocracy that gave us all of our politicians.
I love how Obama-bots seem to think that Obama has ZERO power, he's stuck, he's a victim of EVERYTHING but himself, his hands are tied, blah blah blah blah.
I'm telling you, you guys are as delusional as the Bush supporters back in, oh, 2007 or so.
I couldn't make up this kind of crap you guys peddle. It's beyond satire.
BTW you might want to look at this:
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/article...
It's called “How facts backfire”. It explains why right-wingers, and other morons, are able to completely ignore facts that run counter to their political convictions.
And it explains you.
83weshallremain
blah blah blah, yeh as if that covers up your own incompetence. just repeating back how you started the conversation. http://www.c-spanvideo.org/videoLibrary/search-...
84weshallremain
um you mean the same media matters founded by a lackey that wasted half of his life away bitching about the sanctity of Lewinsky's blue dress and Clinton's cigar size? you mean that principled site's proprietor?
85cheatcode
Cavuto looks way more like Eddie Munster.
86UnkindByDesign
Hahaha, stop hurting my feeling.
I am not the one “whining & Bitching” since I am not the one left to live with the shit produced by the American political establishment….That's your cup of tea, baby
87thrashertm
Can you provide a link from Judge Napolitano supporting that attack? He published books during the Bush regime criticizing them for their attacks on civil liberties.
88thrashertm
He published books during the Bush regime criticizing them for their attacks on civil liberties. Napolitano is not a neocon – he is in the Ron Paul camp. End the empire and bring our troops home. Unlike the current president – a real warmonger in chief.
89mad_s_hell
Do your research before you spread your own lies..
In 2004, he wrote the book Constitutional Chaos: What Happens When the Government Breaks its Own Laws, a criticism of the American system of justice.
In 2006, Napolitano wrote The Constitution in Exile: How the Federal Government Has Seized Power by Rewriting the Supreme Law of the Land.
A third book, A Nation of Sheep, was released in October 2007.
90mick
EVERYBODY who was “paying attention” knows this ….this is news ,why ?
It's like saying Ollie North broke the law !
91iconoclasm
Napolitano has written book after book indicting the Bush Cartel for their crimes. The Bush cartel is still alive in the Obama administration. Ask yourselves why that is? Mark Twain said it over a century ago and his autobiography which is finally being relleased tells what he thought and it rings true today!
92Bugman
Napolitano isn't a Neo-con. You've apparently never paid attention to what he's said and only associate him with the rest of the douchebags on Faux News. He's been railing about Dubya the criminal and the Patriot Act (yes, the same one Obama now supports) and been critical of Dubya for years. This story is old news. Research before you spout off, fool. This place has enough uninformed windbags as it is, I'd encourage you to resist being part of the problem.
Why the Patriot Act is Unconstitutional (2007)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNRSs6LsGeI
“Repeal The Patriot Act” by Napolitano (2004)
http://www.rense.com/general50/pre.htm
93NadePaulKuciGravMcKi
Andrew Napolitano
is no
Janet Napolitano
94daniel_cobb
Yeah, No kidding. And the fact that Bush and Cheney have not yet been indicted makes us all complicit. We permitted it. We are those wo looked the other way when the Nazis rounded up the Jews. We the challenge of time was presented to us we did NOT defend our Constitution, we did NOT defend our Democracy. We let those vile thugs make a mockery of all we hold dear, the principles that, we claim, define us. The great American experiment in Democracy ended forever with the Presidency of George W. Bush.
Daniel Cobb http://www.themine-thebook.com
95AtlanticCapers
Yep, almost any nutjob would be better than Holder. The same goes for Obama.
96panamarick
I know this is off topic, but who cares about this utter fraud anyway.
I just wanted to mention that Tweets on MSNBC has a new poll! Guess what? 54% of Americans don't know what “progressive” means!
We are so fucked.
97stumptownhero
You can try to shoot the messenger but you cannot dismiss the factual accuracy of their work.
98weshallremain
hahaha, like OMG, you're so witty!
“UnkindByDesign 8 minutes ago
Every porn stars know that vagina-anal combo is key to success in the film industry.
This study might be onto something…..”
why don't you busy yourself with porn and buttons. sounds like you're on to something. definitely sounds like someone everyone to do well to listen do.
keep writing useless nonsense that you yourself claim no one should give a f*ck about. we're all happy for your porn and buttons cup of tea.
99weshallremain
you mean a FACT like this? http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/201818-1
100stumptownhero
Talk about bing F'd! 16% of Americans and 25+% of GOP voters STILL think W was a good President. 45+% of GOP voters think Sarah Palin is qualified to be President.
101Big_Alpha1
He thinks Bush and Cheney should have been indicted? I think they still should be indicted along with that ASSHOLE now in the Oval Office. He's still carrying out the Bush Administration bullshit, so yeah, he should be indicted as well!
102PeteWa
“What should be the sanctions [for Bush and Cheney]?” asked Nader.
Bush and Cheney should be sitting in cells in the Hague, for war crimes.
103rxgary
its treason. is what it is. and i dont think theres a statute of limitations for that either
104C H
No one except the small fry ever go to jail now. Obama should have taken the last administration on but he did not. He has worsened what Bush put in place. When he failed to do what was right, I stopped listening to him. I don't listen to anything coming from the WH anymore. No one has the moral or political courage to do what needs to be done. And they never will.
You cannot move forward until you clean house. We deserve what we have.
105UnkindByDesign
Well,I guess I hit some nerve when I mentioned the Porn business industry, that's obviously something you “give a fuck” about.
I have some news for you smarty, I am a chick and I don't get my kick by watching porn!, you probably do……Now you just discredited yourself by bringing an issue which has nothing to do with the topic being discussed here….
What next, are you going to insult my mother or question my degree of promiscuity?
106robertlmills
Well, sure.
107UnkindByDesign
It's amusing, when I read your posts, it reminds me of an ancient proverb: “Never heed the words of someone sporting a mullet:……
108news_across
I agree with your comment 100%.
…and like you and George Carlin….I don't believe anything the Government tells me — ever!
109jaspervonblowhole
Yes he should have. But we got ding-dong Obama for president, and he's only interested in wealthcare.
110theoracle
There is no statute of limitations on impeachment proceedings against government officials who've committed crimes.
If impeachment proceedings begin against someone while in office, then that person can be impeached and removed.
But there is another aspect to impeachment. Anyone impeached cannot hold office again, thus impeachment can be used to make sure that a criminal official, like so many of the Republicans in the Bush/Cheney administration, can no longer have a position of trust in our government. Otherwise, these Republican criminals can show up again, like some of those Republicans from the Reagan conservative crime syndicate.
111woundedduck
Where the hell were the conservatives when their indictment of Bush/Cheney would have mattered? Sure, the Dems blew it big time, but this smacks of book sales, not conscience.
112mick
you must of had a field day when bush was in office ,if you think Obama is “ding-dong”. wish I could read your comments from then.
113DickTucker
Eric Holder? Hello? Obama? Anybody hear the guy from the right-wing propaganda channel saying this? This isn't exactly Michael Moore. My God, the “Change” people won't say this, but the FOX people will. Justice Department? Anybody there?
114Crispus Attucks
They come for everyon but the neocon Bushes… “THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up.”
115Lodewijk
I love your name. You know Crispus Attucks was a bad mofo!
116Reginald Dean White
Yea, and what % thought Barry O was qualified to be Pres?
117dennycrane
I'm waiting for them to pull off their skins and show us they are reptiles.
118Reginald Dean White
Prosecute this guy, Prosecute that guy, You guys really crack me up. Your holy on hight DOJ lead by the almighty Eric won't prosecute a member of the New Black Panthers standing outside of a polling station in his combat uniform tapping a pipe against his leg, Oh, wait……That's right, he was only stumping for votes for Barry O. Give me a break.
119mindboggeling
Oh my god!!!!! Has hell frozen over? But then no one on fox watches C-span so maybe they won't find out.
120shinyorbs
if this grows maybe Cheney will order a false flag distraction by way of a dirty bomb or ???
121LWells
Too bad you don't realize that it was the Bush Admin that refused to prosecute, jackass. But I expect that from a fact-free fox viewer…
122smallbear
56%
123smallbear
No, the Media Matters founded by the former Republican who came to his senses and realized what a bunch of stupid f**cks the GOP is.
124stumptownhero
Thank God or who every you pray to because if Hot Head McCain won not only would we have bombed Iran by now Sarah Palin would be one rage induced stroke away from the Presidency!
125stumptownhero
No I would be referring to comments of his like the one on the medical reform act where he said that people who didn't pay would be facing jail time. There are others if you want me to search but it could get embarrassing for the Judge!
126Terry Ferebee
Bush and Cheney should have been impeached and should be criminally charged and prosecuted. Obama needs to be impeached and criminally charged for all of his U. S. Constitutional violations.
127healingshoes
I agree with Terry 100%. Since Gito is still open despite Obama's executive order promising to close it within a year, and because of Obama's DoJ helping to protect Bush and Cheney and their warrantless wiretapping, Barack Obama is now an accessory to the spying, to all the torture and murder and other crimes at Gitmo, and an accessory to all Bush and Cheney war crimes.
They all deserve the death penalty.
128TJoad
Well, it's not too late. Frog march those traitors to the nearest Federal Pen and get on with it. Even most Republicans know in their heart of hearts that would be the right thing to do. Those with no hearts can not love their country enough to bring these criminals to justice.
129azhermit
humor me… “Though the mills of God grind slowly, yet they grind exceeding small; …
They ultimately got Pinochet and Pol Pot… sort of.
130H.P. Loathecraft
The “New Black Panthers” are a right-wing ruse. James O'Keefe in black-face.
131H.P. Loathecraft
The “New Black Panthers” are a right-wing ruse. James O'Keefe in black-face.
132Wakefield Tolbert
The Bush administration downgraded the charges from criminal to civil charges, true, but this is not really the same as dropping or “refusing” to prosecute. This glop comes from Cynthia Tucker over at her idiot pennings at the AJC. She implies that the Bush administration dropped this ball and that should therefore be the end of that. Even if correct, why will Holder not pick the ball up and pursue, eh?
Is it because of the implied perception that turnabout is some damned fair play in this game?
http://www.floppingaces.net/2010/06/27/politics...
Then she quoted Media Matters regarding allegations that “Tea Party” memebers brought firearms to speeches and gatherings to cause some kind of similar trouble, but utterly no context is given, and no serious charges have been in the works against anyone regarding what seem to be peaceful demonstrations, guns or not. Not sure where Tucker was going, but if you've lived in Atlatna and seen her columns, this is not really anything new. She's all over the map. No doubt she thinks this cross-comparison with the Tea Party crowd was clever. I take it as read, however, that the whole and (unlike the Tea Party accusations) “Kill the white babies” motif for the NBP is something to note, no?
Thanks for something next to nothing, bud.
I'm supposing this bunch of nothing about Holder's advice to drop the case after actually winning the civil part be default when the two crazies didn't show up in court, is so much of a nothing to worry about that this is the reason a former Justice Department official has resigned in protest after being told to leave the issue alone?
Also regarding the Bush administration's reduced charges, in a highly-charged political climate that quite literally occured in the last days of his presidency, I doubt for a variety of reasons Bush wanted to go down this route.
But Obama's Justice Department should have every incentive to prosecute on behalf of fairness. Or, so you'd think in a time of real justice and “new transparency” in government, eh?
Guess not.
http://patterico.com/2010/07/03/new-black-panth...
Of course, Media Matters also claims that Adams is just making stuff up or relying on pure hearsay. Guess they've not seen the widely-available videos.
133weshallremain
are you illiterate or something? The comment about Porn and buttons WERE YOUR WORDS. check your log. now you can go back to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
134weshallremain
I think you yourself should READ all 2000+ pages plus subsections of codes in the Federal Register to really understand what he is referring to. the oBUSHmaCare is NOT a universal HealthCare, it is a PONZI scheme written FOR and BY the Med.INSURANCE industry. How it is that liberals can catch onto GWB neoCON and Cheney's secret energy meetings, and their connection to BP, and GoldmanSUX, yet cannot see that the oBUSHma & neoLiBs are involved with the same people. Did you all just miss the fact that the same GoldmanSUX douchebags from BOTH Clinton & GWB admin who REPEALED the Glass-Steagall Act are the same ones in charge now? Did you all forget the $150 MILLION PR money promised to oBUSHma by the BigPharma? Or the fact that the BIGGEST beneficiary of the Carbon Tax, Cap & Trade were BP & GoldmanSUX & JP Morgan?
SAME Wall St. Banksters. Nothing's changed. PERIOD. I really don't think you guys are too familiar with where Judge Nap's views are coming from. I would highly recommend you watch the ENTIRE 60 min interview and some other CSPAN videos before you really come to a conclusion.
135Danielle Burke
you should read his previous books then. this is nothing new from him.
136weshallremain
OMG, that's so funny. You know what I was thinking the same thing! Except the proverb that I'm reminded of goes something like this: “Never heed the words of someone who cannot read…”
137Danielle Burke
they're still asleep.
138skinnydog
Napolitano's gonna be joining the ranks of the unemployed. Just you watch.
139Danielle Burke
no, he didn't.
140skinnydog
You fell for that crap? BWAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!
The charges against the Panthers were dismissed on Jan 7, 2010 by Bush's “Justice” Department – 3 weeks before Obama even took office!
Here's a little tip for ya, Reggie – The main function of Fox “News” is to make people stupid. So quit making a fool out of yourself and change the damn channel!
141Syed92
There are lot of other ways to punish such criminals who listen to their conscience, and they will come into play.
142musashi1
the truth on fox news????HOLY SHIT MY HEADS GOING TO EXPLODE!
143grindermonkey
An astute observation. The lights have been off at Justice for many months now. They do keep the floors clean and buffed for the next administration.
144Confus
It is a sorry day when a Fox News commentator shows more concern for justice and the rule of law than the Obama administration.
The Democratic Party has joined the Republican party among the ranks of corporate political subsidiaries. A corporate lackey by any party name is still a corporate lackey.
After 40 years of voting mostly for Democrats, I will be voting Green Party or some other third party in November.
145grindermonkey
Perhaps that 54% is REGRESSIVE longing for the good old days when thinking was not necessary to understand the events consuming them.
146Confus
I fully agree with your “shoulds” but am most doubtful about any “wills.”
Can hope for justice carry America past the executioners of hope?
147grindermonkey
We should be considering what percentage thinks that BO is qualified to be President NOW.
148DesertSun59
'Should have been' isn't an indictment. He knows he can say this because Bush will NEVER be indicted.
149grindermonkey
Prayer is the ultimate act submission and neglect.
150w000t
Seems to me is that Obama's only purpose is to satisfy intellectuals, liberals and centrists while the relentless onslaught on civil liberties worsens by the week.
151Shiva
there is every possibility that Napolitano said that stuff simply because it's obviously true. This is one time when it's a little bit difficult for him to lie and say they did nothing wrong.
Myself I'm extremely disappointed that Cheney and Bush did not face at the very least a grand jury. The cost to this nation based on their actions and lack of actions has been beyond enormous.
But unfortunately if you think about it it's not like one president to try and put the previous president in prison. Even when they are guilty as hell.
I hope everyone remembers what Bush did when they say that Obama is taking your freedom away, which is utter BS
152F D
MORON !! You are !!!
153geo1671
Ever heard of PULIC SQUARE stoning by citizens? Needs to be introduced in Washington–preferably across the whitehouse.
First guys to be ROCK stoned-all Bush German family and along with the Chennys and Rummesfelds and that YOO-Yoo Lawyer.Then if the all Kosher media does not POSITIVELY report the Stonings–the Kosher Media controllers are next in line. I'd like to add Clintons and Rahm Emanuails for the 2nd event– Big boulders, rocks and flame throwers :^/
Term limits of 8 years max–no parties what's so ever.That will cure the Ashkenazism infesting USA.
154usmcr
Vote for America. Vote AGAINST every single encumbent regardless of party affiliation. They have both failed this country in the last 10 years., Bush and Co presided over 8 of the most corrupt years in the this countries history. And the democrates stood by and watched. They whined that they were “only the minority”. Yet for the last 2 years that THEY HAVE HAD the majority and the support of the American People… they have done…NOTHING.
These “public servants” are serving only themselves. They don't give a rats ass about the “electorate”. They do not fear you or me or the general public.
The ONLY way this problem gets fixed is to VOTE TO REMOVE every single encumbent. You can't help your country by voting either republican or democrate..
155shediac
Hey this is what the Tea Party has been saying all along….
156Savantster
“I'd like to say they should be indicted for lying but believe it or not, unless you're under oath, lying is not a crime. At least not an indictable crime. It's a moral crime,” he said.
And when you're violating the Public Trust as President, it's an IMPEACHABLE offense.
157stumptownhero
Oh pullleeeeease! The vast majority of TEA baggers are hard core GOPHER's and were SILENT during W's trashing of the constitution.
158stumptownhero
If only it were that simple. Without publicly financed campaigns the corporations will just “buy” new candidates that will do their bidding.
159anonymous_sources
Can't we all just look forward and pretend that 9/11 and the ensuing Bush/Cheney crimes never happened?
160Confus
karlaw55,
Roosevelt, Truman, Johnson, and even Carter made many substantive improvements to America. Kennedy at least inspired us.
Clinton wasted the finest opportunity to establish as stable world order of the past several hundred years when he refused to help Russia establish a prosperous democracy. His “welfare reform” would have made Robert (Mr. Republican) Taft proud. His cooperation in the dismantling of financial regulation was simply corrupt. His term continued the impoverishment of the middle class and the trend toward a dual society initiated by Reagan in the 1980s. Clinton did nothing to strengthen organized labor. The list of Democratic policies that the triangulating “centrist” Clinton opposed is too long for this site.
Obama campaigned as a liberal but is governing as a corporate Republican. Bailing out Wall Street by giving it trillions instead of temporarily nationalizing these crooked companies was dysfunctional, morally debased, and probably corrupt. The diluted stimulus was a sop to the Left, contributing nothing to increase employment. Obama promised to curtail executive signing orders but has continued them. Obama promised to close Guantanamo but he has not. Obama promised to end rendition and torture but he has not. Obama promised to restore civil liberties but has expanded domestic surveillance and spying. Obama promised to end government secrecy but not only has increased it, but has opposed whistleblowers in the courts and litigated against victims of the Bush administration. Obama promised to improve health care and those of you who see a moist glass as half full surely believe he did, if and whenever that step-child legislation ever comes into effect. Obama has dramatically escalated the wars in the Middle East and appears to be staying on the same collision course with Iran in order to please the Israeli lobby.
The legislative changes the Democratic majority have made are for the most part temporary and cosmetic, They are not genuine reforms. Obama has proven himself to be a merely another Bush with an adult vocabulary.
It has been said that madness is repeating the same conduct and expecting a different result. I won't get a different result by voting for Green candidates, but at least I will stop feeling like a dupe.
161mick
What do you think about “term limits” on senators and congress people …the way I see it ,the longer they are in office the more people they owe favors .Graft and kick backs rule Washington .Term limits would effectively “REMOVE every single incumbent.” after say 8 years.
162mick
What do you think about “term limits” on senators and congress people …the way I see it ,the longer they are in office the more people they owe favors .Graft and kick backs rule Washington .Term limits would effectively “REMOVE every single incumbent.” after say 8 years.
163Confus
mick,
I have mixed feelings about term limits. Most of the greatest legislators in the history of Congress were veterans who were able to produce legislation through experience, relationships, expertise and – not least – perseverance. Many freshman Senators and Congressman have been as corrupt or even more debased than their seniors.
The fundamental problem is that the federal government has become the principal source of income for the wealthy elite, who use their wealth to purchase political influence, which they abuse to gain more wealth from the government, and so on. In effect, the federal government has become an entrenched plutocracy and the economy reduced to corporate feudalism.
I have given this a lot of thought since the Reagan administration organized the right-wing assault on the American middle class and pluralistic democracy. I fear that there will be no solution until the middle class is so impoverished that they haul out the tumbrils and guillotines. But if history is any guide, many years and much suffering will accumulate before the American public wises up.
164usmcr
I am for anything that will remove the current corrupt politicians that are currently holding office.
165Booga20
Really??……so then when will Obama be impeached??
166Big_Alpha1
Exactly!
167shag11
How about outing a CIA spy.
168tjfxh
What do you know, a voice of reason in the wilderness of Fox.
169Tyler King
Nader interviewing Right wing wacko. Wow, a reality distortion field. This must be some kind of weird dream.
170Eyeball_Kid
Bush and Cheney can and will do a lot of damage if given the opportunity. They and their network need to be stopped. But their network is insidious… What they know is what their senses tell them. If they are confined against their will, their senses tell them something very different than if they're lounging in their mansions or yachts. I want them to sense something very different before they're too old to care.
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172FrAugustine
The Judge was saying the same thing in 2009 when the NYT article came out in 2009, due to the NYT investigation in interview of Bush admin members.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nms3NIKmklk
He was also criticizing the Patriot Act as evil and unconstitutional during hte Bush admin, i. Here is a vid from 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNRSs6LsGeI&feat...
One need only have listened to his interview by Alan Colmes some time back:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bejmEG_t9mI
And of course, the execrable John Gibson:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKA67ODgvI4
173murrayc
Wow. No sh!t, Sherlock.
How is it that for eight, long, years the Dems have said the same thing and were treated as being unpatriotic, but this a$$hole comes along years AFTER the fact and it has somehow become noteworthy?
174Evan Marsillio
With publicly financed campaigns, what is to stop the government from “buying” candidates that will toe the line.
175ThomasO
right on… it's not to late to put Cheny in jail either !!!
176mick
“not least – perseverance” maybe but you could say that if a bills time had come “perseverance” would not be required. I agree in part with what you say but still think the gains out weigh the losses .
177Confus
Mick,
I am desperate enough to support almost anything short of violence, which rarely seems to improve life for decent people.
But haven't term limits already been attempted at the state and local levels? Also, after FDR, the presidency was limited to two terms, but I would be hard pressed to find evidence that any of FDR's successors were better than he.
178johneboy1970
Utter BS, Shiva?
Still in an illegal war in Iraq – check
Escalating an illegal war in Afghanistan – check
Illegal wiretapping and eavesdropping on American citizens – check
Hasn’t closed one ‘secret’ prison –check
Has claimed the right to detain prisoners indefinitely without due process – check
Pushed (then signed) a law which mandates that Americans must buy a product from an approved seller or be imprisoned or fined (the health care debacle) – check
Bombing innocent Somalians in the name of the War on terror – check
Bombing innocent Pakistani’s in the name of the war on terror – check
Threatening a potentially illegal war against Iran on claims just as shaky (and eerily similar) as those used in the run-up to Iraq – check
Used executive power to block investigations into the banks which caused our economic meltdown (have you seen any one taken to task yet?) – check
Free speech zones – check
Used executive power to block release of torture photos – check
Used executive power to block investigations into the last administration – check
Wouldn’t release White House guest list (like the last administration) – check
Is using the CIA as an assassin squad to take out American citizens and foreigners alike on the presumption of ties to terrorist organizations without due process – check
Shall I go on Shiva? Or perhaps you should look up what I’ve said first; the information is easy enough to find if you bother to look. You are being played just like the sycophants whom you used to rail against in the last administration were played. Aren’t you a little sick of being treated like a fool by people in suits and ties? Didn’t 8 years of Bush and company teach you anything?
I am truly not trying to be harsh, but it is time to wake up, grow up, and stop playing political and apologist games.
179markusgarvey
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180FrAugustine
Exactly. They should have and should still hang GWB, Cheney, Rumsfield, and anyone involved in their warcrimes.
181FrAugustine
Aren't there any licensed practicing lawyers here that would be willing to file against them? Anyone who voted to go into Iraq deserves to be tried for crimes against the constitution. Maybe a mass hanging on the steps of the capitol building?
182JamieEi
The over-under on how long it takes Fox to fire this guy is 2 days.
183SupremeLaw
FYI: Bush / Cheney / Rumsfeld were formally charged here:
http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/gwbush/vcc.htm
… but the “robe” assigned to that case turned up with missing credentials:
http://www.supremelaw.org/rsrc/commissions/walt...
… and the U.S. Attorney on the case got cold feet here:
http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/libby/grand.jury.d...
… despite the holding of the USDC / Southern District of New York / Ground Zero here:
http://www.supremelaw.org/decs/in.re.gj.applica...
Americans have been taken for a ride, and now refuse to recognize the truth
even when it's placed right under their noses (see above). If you don't believe this,
just tilt your head back a little more.
Cf. “strong delusion” in the Holy Bible.
Sincerely yours,
/s/ Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S.
Private Attorney General, 18 U.S.C. 1964(a)
http://www.supremelaw.org/decs/agency/private.a...
184Bahb2
No, they should have been arrested for attacking NYC and murdering thousands of Americans. After that trial, we can work on the illegal invasion stuff. Fuck 'em in the neck, evil bastards.
185Lorili
He still can be indicted. Of course he won't be, That would lead to indicting 99% of our 'elected representatives'. Which would lead to hanging these traitors for treason.
I say we the people just cut out all the BS and hang 'em high from the nearest lamp posts and trees.
186mick
Confus,
“after FDR, the presidency was limited to two terms, but I would be hard pressed to find evidence that any of FDR's successors were better than he. ” but the damage they could do has been “limited” by limiting their “terms”.
187Anonymous
I applaud Napalitano for his remarks but did he ever say such things when Bush-Cheney were in office … I highly DOUBT IT. It’s easier to say this now.. but few Righties had the balls to confront the Fuhrer when he was in power.
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