It is time for us to rethink the whole military thing and get rid of standing armies. It has never protected America and if anything has bankrupted the nation. All those generals need to grow up and get a real job.

That is comical. No standing armies huh? Glad we had one during WW2, glad we built one during the Revolution. Glad we have one now so we can banter freely on RS. Believe me, being a general in the military, any military, is a big boy job worthy of respect.

Maybe the good general should study his history. The British could not defeat the Afghans, nor could the might of the Soviet Union. The different factions will fight amongst themselves until an outside force intervenes in which case they will unite against the outsider. My question would be something along the lines of how is it that the good general or anyone else for that matter think the US experience will be any different.

We will fight them there until they come to fight us here.
With those ground zero tea party crazies and Fox News calling for christian jihad around the country, that might be real soon.
This is why they hate us.
Because, lets face it, we hate them.
Don’t we, flabby white christians?

i am waiting for all the righteous christians to declare >war and abortion equal…. then the tides will change….

I think it’s time for Adm. Mullen to bring this guy in for a talking to.

Fire him. Fire him now.

If this officer did not make his strong , personal feelings about this known to his immediate superior officer , all the way up to the commander in chief , then he should be court marshaled . How would this guy treat one of his subordinate officers if they spoke of him with such distain ?

“…his deadline gives the Taliban “sustenance” and encourages them to simply outlast the Americans.”

Didn’t we invade Afghanistan to go after Al Qaida? And now we can’t leave by 2011 because of the Taliban? I’m more inclined to think that we can’t leave Afghanistan because it would cut into profits for companies like Blackwater/Xe and KBR.

He is trying to protect his future job at Boeing or some shit

Oof. The obvious fact that occupiers will be waited out by the country they are in (and by more local occupiers and oppressors) does NOT imply that what we are doing there is going to succeed at accomplishing any of our goals, either the original ones, or newer ones that have been used to justify continued involvement. If we are concerned about humanitarian issues, there are much better ways to help than using the military. Finally, I’d be pissed if they cutting my job too, so I can’t really blame the guy, but I would be fired for doing what he did.

Regardless of what others may think, I agree with Gen. Conway. Bush broke it, Obama is now stuck with dealing with it and it has to be brought to closure with the Afghan people free to determine their own destiny, after the extermination of the Taliban.

Oh geez don’t tell me there is a General in the Marine Corps that believes doing away with “don’t ask don’t tell” in lieu of gays serving openly will be a problem. Who would’a thought that?

You can sell stuff like that to the Air Force and the Army and maybe the Navy, but it won’t fly with the Marine Corps. EVER. Its that simple.

The Marine Corps and the rest of the services in general is a completely different service with a completely different set of values and a completely different mind set.

Its why when it “absolutely positively has to be destroyed overnight?”…. You call the Marine Corps. Its that simple.

That’s the way its always been. And that’s the way it will always be as long as there is a Marine Corps. Its who we are.

And people who are in the kick-ass and take names business are really fussy about who they might have to die with.

But I’ll bet there are a whole bunch of people who are going to talk shit about this point… and still say “they support the troops”, The least you could let “the troops” do is decide who they might have to die with.

I don’t think that’s asking to much.

Damn if this Marine would have only spoke up when Bush was underfunding the troops there and allowing the taliban to come back it seems like we would already be out!

They hate us for our freedoms, we hate them for their persistence.

Marines don’t read history, they make it.

What real job is the general qualified to perform?

more bs from the people who can’t get the job done. It’s been to long and the mission keeps on changing. It was a safer country when I was there in 2002 and 2004. WTF happened gen. Conway?

Fire him now!

It was painful to watch Obama enthusiastically declare the billion dollar surge in Afghanistan that these gung-ho generals apparently had sold him on. He even had the naive audacity to declare that “it wouldn’t be like Vietnam.” Really, now? And yet, not even a year later, we’ve had Betrayeus declare that he’ll decide when he’s good and ready to call it quits, and now this clone of the clowns from ‘Nam, with the same pathetic arguments about the compelling need to stay “a little longer” (blow a few billion more, loose a few thousand more kids, kill a few thousand more civilians, sow a few decades more hatred towards America, recruit a few thousand more terrorists)… you can’t help but wonder if it is simply in the American nature never, ever to learn from past mistakes? Is it some perverted collective pride thing to get your ass kicked in the most embarrassing fashion, end up with egg all over your face — and still, twenty years later, swagger right back and ask for more? As others have pointed out, nobody ever walked into Afghanistan and “won” effin’ anything — they limped home after suffering massive losses and acknowledging that the place can’t “be beat”. Anyone want to take a bet how many years, how many lives, and how much money it’ll take before General Conway reluctantly comes to the same conclusion?

The corps washed your brain good, didn’t they? And you bought into it, hook, line and sinker. Ah, if only Smedley Butler were still alive… I know no one can talk sense with you-you don’t believe in facts-ideology is all that counts. You said it yourself.

I think you need to read General George Washington’s “Farewell Address” but what did he know? I’m sure you’re far wiser than he.

A couple more trillion dollars and they should be all taken care of, right?

Nobody is wiser than GW. I assume you are referring to his statements about not getting involved in the world’s problems and not creating political factions(like the Dems and Repubs). Right? Good advice but in these modern times when GW could not fathom the technology that makes the world smaller, he would have never thought such a thing could happen. We need a military so you and I scan sit here on our asses and speak freely. Don’t believe me? Try China.

….”to simply outlast the Americans”…

Hey, “Kilroy”, for centuries no one has “outlasted” the Afghanies. Another example of “military intelligence” , from a shadow government member of cheney’s “underground garage.”

(cricket noises)

Prissey, S.D. Butler is a distant cousin of mine, and I’m a ex-Marine (if there is such an animal), and I agree with Smedley’s theory of being used by private corporations under the cover of national security, but that doesn’t negate the fact that we are there. We need to give the Afghan people their best shot at self determination. And piss on the corporations who are attempting to rape another country of its natural resources. The Marine Corps is also sworn to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and they better damn start living up to that oath. If I was 18 again, I’d be back at Parris Island get my head and ass wired together!!! Semper Fi.

Good thing you work for us, Jar Head, not the other way around — in spite of you being on the Crusades for your own personal sky deity.

GOP motto: four more wars!

GOP motto: four more wars!

Talk sense to me? LOL

I believe what I believe……the same as you.

What I have found in serving in several countries and 7 US states…. is that…..

Americans (probably like you) who have merely “enjoyed the benefits of freedom” as opposed to those of us who

have actually “served their country to protect that freedom” typically have very different ideas about a lot of things.

But that’s OK.. you go right on enjoying your right to free speech.

One thing is for certain. The draft really would go a long way towards helping this country understand what kind of sacrifices it takes to have the freedom… people like you take for granted.

Talk sense to me? LOL

I believe what I believe……the same as you.

What I have found in serving in several countries and 7 US states…. is that…..

Americans (probably like you) who have merely “enjoyed the benefits of freedom” as opposed to those of us who

have actually “served their country to protect that freedom” typically have very different ideas about a lot of things.

But that’s OK.. you go right on enjoying your right to free speech.

One thing is for certain. The draft really would go a long way towards helping this country understand what kind of sacrifices it takes to have the freedom… people like you take for granted.

“We need to give the Afghan people their best shot at self determination.”

Perhaps you should familiarize yourself a litte more with American, and Afghanistan, history.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html

Since the US has been in there at least since 7/79, which was PRIOR to the Soviet invasion and may very well have led to the Sovs invading, and begun the entire crapfest with relocating Islamic fundamental extremists of the Wahabist group to Afghanistan’s northern border it shares with the then Soviet Union, the US has ample responsibility in destroying what was once a secular country.

And, now they’ve decided to invade it once again for its natural resources.

That douchebag clown of a general officer, and the ranks of US general officers today appear to be nothing but DOUCHEBAGS, is too moronic to understand that the US continues to destroy any and all opportunity they’ve had this past forty years for self-determination.

Quit stealing their frigging resources. They belong to the Afghanistanis. Quit keeping the US military there to protect the Chinese mining companies digging out their copper to ship off to the multinationals’ factories in China.

Quit protecting the building of those oil and gas pipelines to transport it to India for the multinationals’ factories and production facilities there.

And kindly remove your head (and the general’s as well) from your butt and begin thinking on behalf of your country, and not those multinationals which run it.

And read the book below (Bleeding Afghanistan, by Sonali Kolhatkar) as well:

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Book_Reviews/Bleeding_Afghanistan.html

“We need to give the Afghan people their best shot at self determination.”

Perhaps you should familiarize yourself a litte more with American, and Afghanistan, history.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html

Since the US has been in there at least since 7/79, which was PRIOR to the Soviet invasion and may very well have led to the Sovs invading, and begun the entire crapfest with relocating Islamic fundamental extremists of the Wahabist group to Afghanistan’s northern border it shares with the then Soviet Union, the US has ample responsibility in destroying what was once a secular country.

And, now they’ve decided to invade it once again for its natural resources.

That douchebag clown of a general officer, and the ranks of US general officers today appear to be nothing but DOUCHEBAGS, is too moronic to understand that the US continues to destroy any and all opportunity they’ve had this past forty years for self-determination.

Quit stealing their frigging resources. They belong to the Afghanistanis. Quit keeping the US military there to protect the Chinese mining companies digging out their copper to ship off to the multinationals’ factories in China.

Quit protecting the building of those oil and gas pipelines to transport it to India for the multinationals’ factories and production facilities there.

And kindly remove your head (and the general’s as well) from your butt and begin thinking on behalf of your country, and not those multinationals which run it.

And read the book below (Bleeding Afghanistan, by Sonali Kolhatkar) as well:

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Book_Reviews/Bleeding_Afghanistan.html

Listen, no-think-ski, kindly try to utilize any remaining neurons for a change.

The US has supported both directly and indirectly enough murder of the Afghan people.

They are there to steal their resources, PERIOD!

Try to learn at least SOMETHING about the history of the frigging country you live in.

Both the Afghan constitution, and the Iraqi constitution, have been rewritten since the US invaded both those countries, making Sharia law the prevailing law of those lands.

This ain’t self-determination, and it damn well ain’t democracy, clown.

What march was Gen. Butler at, and who were the future general slime who attacked and dispersed those marchers?

Learn something about something…..

You have no clue what I’ve given up for my so-called freedom of speech. I take nothing for granted, including the lives of our troops for illegal wars.

I suppose you think it’s a great use of taxpayer dollars to have 725 military bases in 38 foreign countries. And on each of those bases we pay for the housing and all living expenses of the GI and his family. Just so he can march around and play soldier for 20 years until retirement. Are you one of those guys?

We didn’t have anywhere near the size of the standing army prior to WW2 that we have now. Every military action we’ve been involved with since WW2 has been solely to enrich the plutocrats that create the tools of war and benefit from the spoils of war. I suppose you think the Viet Nam debacle was a noble war for freedom. That war as well as the ones we’re in now are bullshit, and if you’re too stupid to realize it then you are hopeless.

Slash the pentagram budget. The fucker’s going on a trillion a year. It is insanity.

He kills great.

What a bunch of BS – of course the Taliban are going to outlast the US Army – they live there, and so will all their descendents! This is such a nonsense argument against withdrawal from this debacle.

You mean the China that we are deeply indebted for to pay for this folly?

They don’t call them jar heads for nothing. I mean we’ve been there for almost 10 years and they are fighting us to a draw and they don’t even have a defense budget.

He doesn’t have the balls and probably doesn’t have the will to make such a powerful move asserting civilian control over the military.

How many Americans are you willing to sacrifice for what gain? Nine years and their still not ready to take control of their own country…what a waste of lives and money.

I liked your speech better when Jack Nicholson gave it in “A Few Good Men”.

Anyway your bravado is seriously childish and why I would defund the Marines immediately. How many wars do we have to lose before we fix the problem?

Well, according to the latest SIGIR report, you may be right for once:

Capt. Eric Schmidt, USMC: convicted, Wire fraud, filing a false federal tax form

MSGT Terence Walton, USMC: convicted, Bribery, graft, failure to obey a direct order (UCMJ)

Of course, there were a lot more Army types involved, but then the Army is larger:

Capt. Faustino Gonzales, USA: convicted, Receipt of a gratuity by a public official

Maj. Charles Sublett, USA: convicted, False statements

Cpt. Michael D. Nguyen, USA: convicted, Theft and structuring financial transactions

Maj. Christopher Murray,USA Contracting Officer: convicted, Bribery and false statements

Maj. Theresa Baker,USAR Contracting Officer: convicted, Conspiracy and bribery

Col. Curtis Whiteford,USAR Senior Official, CPA-South Central Region: convicted, Conspiracy, bribery, and wire fraud

Lt. Col. Michael Wheeler, USAR: convicted, Conspiracy, bribery, wire fraud, interstate transportation of stolen property, and bulk cash smuggling

Maj. James Momon, Jr.,USA Contracting Officer: convicted, Conspiracy and bribery

Lt. Col. Debra M. Harrison,USA Acting Comptroller for CPA-South Central Region: convicted, Conspiracy, bribery, money laundering, wire fraud, interstate transportation of stolen property, smuggling cash, and preparing false tax returns

Capt. Cedar Lanmon, USA: convicted, Accepting illegal gratuities

Maj. John Lee Cockerham, Jr.,USA Contracting Officer: convicted, Bribery, conspiracy, and money laundering

Lt. Col. Levonda Selph,USAR Contracting Officer: convicted, Conspiracy and bribery

Capt. Austin Key,USA Contracting Officer: convicted, Bribery

Maj. John Rivard,USAR Contracting Officer: convicted, Bribery, conspiracy, and money laundering

And the list goes on and on…

SIGIR Report/July 2010 (Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction):

http://www.sigir.mil/files/quarterlyreports/July2010/Section3_-_July_2010.pdf#view=fit

when slim pickens got on that missile and rode her out in Dr. Strangelove, that was an example of winning slow. general conway hasn’t wanted to disengage from a war ever. conditions based exit strategy is code for “we love it here and we’re never leaving”. kids on their 9th and 10th tours. I say lets get on those missiles like slim and keep winning slow. ye freakin ha!

Lots, crossing guard, dog catcher, meter reader, vice president, window cleaner, grief counsellor….. maybe even driving instructor

Fire this guy right now. You do not mouth off about the Commander-In-Chief. Douglas MacArthur pulled that on Truman and found himself dismissed.

C’mon Obama, boot this big mouth.

This adventure was lost the day Bush invaded Iraq. It was obvious that Afghanistan was a bombed out country and the way to win hearts and minds was to put these poor people to work with jobs rebuilding their country. Sure give them good wages and some pride in their day’s labor. This would have cost a fraction of this military fiasco but American arms contractors – not to mention Blackwater XE mercenaries, would not be dining at the public’s gravy train under this scenario.

Nothing will stop the fundies from defending their invisible friends. Let’s get it over with already. :-/

Besides… The Family is running the show anyhow… get with the program, it’s called “Jesus plus nothing”… look it up, because it may not be the same Jesus you’ve come to know?

http://home.conservativebabylon.com/c-street-the-family-the-fellowship/
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2006/5/10/112924/148

Nothing will stop the fundies from defending their invisible friends. Let’s get it over with already. :-/

Besides… The Family is running the show anyhow… get with the program, it’s called “Jesus plus nothing”… look it up, because it may not be the same Jesus you’ve come to know?

http://home.conservativebabylon.com/c-street-the-family-the-fellowship/
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2006/5/10/112924/148

I guess you don’t understand, then we need to give them their best shot. Not that we’ve been fucking them all this time as you point out. We haven’t given them their best shot to put it in plain English, and you’ve just shown that.

Don’t waste your words on me because they register nothing. It was MacArthur who marched on the WWI veterans. Smedley Darlington Butler exposed the industrialists trying to over throw FDR. And funny, its the same motherfuckers trying it again.

A military officer openly and publically questioning the orders of his Commander using the press as his sounding board? I thought that military decorum frowned upon this sort of thing?

Nobody ever said the Marines were Boy Scouts. Hell, they, unless dishonorably discharged get all full pay and benefits at their highest attained rank in retirement. I was in the brig with lifer’s who achieved E-9 rank, busted to E-1 and retire at E-9. You obviously don’t know how they play do you? And all I was busted for was 0.05 grams of pot, 74 days confinement reduced in rank and loss of 2/3 pay for 90 days.

Why are We still in Afghanistan? Searching for Bin Laden?That was back in Oct/Nov 2001 when we gave him a 1 Month Head start ,after 9-11-2001 to get out of there?
But Bin Laden didnt Co-Ordinate the 911 Attacks, from a Cave in Afghanistan.They never did have Cell Phone Service, or Internet in Afghanistan Caves.
Bush/Cheney knows who did 911, and it obviously wasn’t Bin Laden, so why dont we just pull our Guys out of there?
Every one in the rest of the World must think we are Total Idiots.

Which is it that we fear more – the Afghan Navy, Air Force or Army? Will they attack the U.S mainland by air or sea?

Why did we sick our Military after the Guys that did 911?
That was a Police/FBI Matter….Not a reason to start Bombing Rocks with B-52′s

Why did we sick our Military after the Guys that did 911?
That was a Police/FBI Matter….Not a reason to start Bombing Rocks with B-52′s

The military in this country usually keeps a low profile in these kinds of situations — they may disagree but generally they complain privately–however, now they are showing their hand and it’s a strong one. First McChrystal, now Conway. They are very confident of their power. Can anyone say Military-Industrial Complex??

if we’ve been “hammering” the Taliban, as Conway would like to suggest, then what’s the problem with pulling out? that sounds to me like they haven’t been “Hammering” the Taliban at all….

it’s the military/industrial complex at work…..pumping up the Pentagon. Let’s get the F OUT of there! we have drones….we can strike anywhere… PULL THE TROOPS OUT!

This guy is leaking a lot of intel, strategies, and weaknesses.

“I sense our country is increasingly growing tired of war,” he said with great sadness in his voice.

McChrystal, anyone?

The general should be stripped of his command and tossed out the door. He works for the Civilian government not the other way around. He just accused the President of treason. See, in his mind leaving Afghanistan at any time in the future – ” is probably giving our enemy sustenance.” His words not mine.

This – “We can either lose fast or win slow.” Ignores the very great possibility of losing very slowly.

And then there is the brilliant strategy of fooling the bad guys by staying another few years and damaging the “enemy psyche”. “If Marines will be there after 2011, after the middle of 2011, what’s the enemy going to say then? You know, what’s he going to say to his foot troops?”

After nine years going nowhere, his great idea is to drop a fresh load of Friedman units on the bad guys without mentioning that the Frieidman bomb lands on our own troops as well. Trying to outlast the people that actually live there is stupid.

Then his last statement is that they haven’t done well enough with their pro war propaganda.
“I don’t think that we have done a strong enough job in convincing the American people that there are good and just reasons why we have to destroy the al Qaeda and the associated Taliban in Afghanistan.”Well, If he had any of those reasons I would think he would have stated a few. He couldn’t. Because there is no good reason to stay in Afghanistan.

He has a deeply vested interest in keeping the oil and naturally growing drugs flowing out of the middle east and into US pockets.

Don’t let people think there might not be a slaughter. They could just sit around and do nothing. What kind of war would that be? People just sitting around waiting for you to leave. They might not even get violent against you. Then how would you win? Buncha faggots.

‘Trying’? I’d say after we saw Obama do Jack Squat to the Bush administration for their illegal war, I’d say they won.

Because the bankers who run the Federal Reserve can never have enough money.

Are you telling me the Drifter is raising the white flag??? We the People haven’t finished with them yet. Matter of fact, we’re just getting started!

Does the Mawine Corps think that homosexuals are vewy, vewy scawy? Hilarious, but sad. Here’s some news: There are already gay marines, and always have been. You just can’t handle the truth.

Here’s some more news, Gomer: the US’s imperial wars in the Middle East haven’t protected America’s freedoms. They’ve threatened them, not least of all by giving people like you an excuse to tear holes in the Constitution out of fear. You haven’t done anything to protect my free speech; you’ve just killed some people who were sitting on top of oil (or, more accurately, you’ve burned the excrement of people…). Keep livin’ the lie if you want, but stop pretending that only people who’ve served in the military are the only ones who serve their country.

Time to give Conway….
the McChrystal treatment.

Blah Blah Terrorist Emergency Blah

Oh yea, we sure have been “hammering” them–since Obama’s “surge,” the Taliban has spread its influence ever further into the eastern, northern and central areas of Afghanistan, right to the outskirts of Kabul.

The Taliban is an indigenous resistance group, arising from the Pastun people who populate large areas of south eastern Afghanistan and southwestern Pakistan. As harsh and backwards as they are, they are for many people better than the utterly corrupt government we’ve installed in Kabul. We’ll never defeat them, and goof-balls like Conway will never see the light. Time to can another malcontent General. He can join the Israeli army and kill, maim and hammer all the A-rabs he wants.

Obama needs to cut deals with the Taliban, buy them off, just like Bush did to the tune of $100 million a month to the Sunnis during his own phony surge, and try to get the hell out of there before our own country sinks into second-world status.

Why should he bother with KBR, when he can get a cushy job with Halliburton at its headquarters in Dubai, where they don’t have to pay taxes on the hundreds of millions they make in war profiteering? And with their neo-con blood brothers agitating for war with Iran, there’s no limit to what a guy like Conway can achieve, or make, in a job like that.

Hmmm, check out Howard Zinn’s audio on the “Three Holy Wars”:

Ever hear of “mutiny” in the Revolutionary War?

Class conflict in war?

http://www.archive.org/details/HowardZinnOnTheThreeHolyWarscondensed

If mc cain / palin won in 08 then by now we would be in the middle of the second surge in iraq and at war with iran, the body count would be rising and can you imagine palin traveling around the world representing the USA?

The afghan national army and police won’t be ready for a few more years? Who the F#@$ has been engaging you a**hole for longer than the vietnam war and before that the soviets, and before that.. Why should they learn how to be a soldier from you when they have been doing more than fine since Alexander, you moron?

The afghan national army and police won’t be ready for a few more years? Who the F#@$ has been engaging you a**hole for longer than the vietnam war and before that the soviets, and before that.. Why should they learn how to be a soldier from you when they have been doing more than fine since Alexander, you moron?

I’ve fvcked 4 or 5 of you in the a$$. Maybe you don’t kmow all there is to know about your so-called he-men.

endless war with the 12th century… I went to vietnam, general, my children will never go to your wars… figure out how to live in peace

There are far too many generals. Generals lust for perpetual war. And some generals profiteer from the war industry even after they retire. The military industrial complex and its perpetual wars racked up the $13 trillion national debt during 60 years of profligate military spending. The Pentagon cannot even account for where Trillions went.

Beating up small countries and killing millions of brown skinned people has only made us less safe… and far less moral.

Don’t waste your breath, he is a bought & paid for whore, just like Raw Story, that puts the boldest, laegest and darkest headlines ever, with the stern “Top Marine general” yada yada yada. bs.

He never goes out to fight these ‘enemy.”

General: we are not all brain-dead Texans. We can connect the dots beween your 10 years of illegal occupation based on a false flag event your military participated in, and the resulting opposition of the patriots of Afghanistan.

Just wait until the real patriots of America awake, you fascist pieceofcrap.

Have a nice day, General Dildo.

No one ever accused marines of being intelligent.

We (the US federal gov) funded the Taliban so they could win control of their country over the rival factions. After we’ve provided them with millions in funding and weapons (just like Iraq/Saddam/chemical WMDs) then we invade them.

Works every time. Sell them deadly weapons, then invade them in order to quell the insurgency.

Talk about swallowing that Marine Corps bullshit hook, line, and sinker. Listen you 10 percenter, when the shit hits the fan I don’t give a crap if you’re Army, Marines, Navy, Air Force, or Coast Guard, you will put your ass on the line no matter what.

Fuck your high fluting bullshit about a different set of values and all that other crap about who the troops are going to die with. Talk about bullshit thinking, if it can be called that – - thinking. When it comes to dying, how about it’s from old age?

From an EX-MARINE to an asshole – - FUCK YOU usmcr. The ‘r’ stand for reservist who never mixed it up with people who shoot back? You sound like it. You spin the Corps line of crap like a person with a paper asshole!

Oh, forgot to say: Eat the Apple, FUCK the CORPS. What I heard so many Marines I served with say nearly every minute of everyday.

And the other saying about how to get something done: The right way, the wrong, the Marine Corps way – - usually so badly fucked up you had to wonder how any of us lived to the end of our enlistments.

The greatest enlisted man saying of all: “We the unwilling, led by the unqualified, to do the unnecessary, with little or next to nothing.

Oh, forgot to say: Eat the Apple, FUCK the CORPS. What I heard so many Marines I served with say nearly every minute of everyday.

And the other saying about how to get something done: The right way, the wrong, the Marine Corps way – - usually so badly fucked up you had to wonder how any of us lived to the end of our enlistments.

The greatest enlisted man saying of all: “We the unwilling, led by the unqualified, to do the unnecessary, with little or next to nothing.

The marines are welfare queens, depending on the gubmnt for everything.

Insubordination, dereliction of duty…he’s skin anyone under his command who said such things about him.

Then slap the bitch back…..
Action equals reaction……

This is messagewise insubordination. This guy needs to be removed from his command.

Come on, show some intellectual honesty

Marines are first class baby killers and prostitutes of imperialism.but they are not welfare queens

Translation: Gen. James Conway, my $1mm per year advisory job after retiring from the military is in jeopardy if the U.S does not continue to poor $100s of billions into Afghanistan each year for the foreseeable future. Stop the revolving door of political and military servants from going into private industry as adviser to the same companies that they helped procure lucrative government contracts while in government service.

America falsely accused Afghanistan of 911 when it was a false flag operation.

The USA dragged Nato into the fight based on fraud.

There is no excuse for the occupation to last one day longer.

GET OUT NOW!

I think this guy is forgetting (or did I miss the memo), that our military is under “civilian” control and our government is not run by a military junta. Nothing in Conway’s tone (or his sidekick Ernest Borgnine?) sounded like he was just stating his opinion or advising the president.

When asked the gay blade question he then says “We will follow the law, whatever the law prescribes.” Funny thing to say when he just told the civilian leadership to basically go fuck it’s self about leaving Afghanistan.

OK, let’s see. If I recall correctly there is supposed to be civilian control of our military, for reasons that are all too apparent here. If Obomber had a shred of integrity (why bother finishing this sentence?) and his intentions were in fact to act on behalf of the populace whose consent he supposedly enjoys he would immediately fire this officer, along with any other military creeps who publicly reject his lawful orders, for gross insubordination. We certainly don’t need to listen to an idiot going on about “winning” an evil war of empire that is widely opposed by the American people. But then, since when has this president behaved honorably? I hope we can get a Kucinich/Maddow (either order) ticket to challenge the monster in the primaries!

Sounds like you overloaded on Mail Call. Have to have Gunny Ermey check your mind out.

fuck the police

excuse the spelling

I thought America’s Top Marine was that PoS Zell Miller. Haven’t heard anything from his pie hole since he got on his podium and said “Marines are not occupyers!”
What a joke. PoS

Is this not insubordination?

who gives a rat’s ass what this implementer of war crimes says?

A few more years… it will take generations just to get these people as civilized and competent governmentally as the Mexicans. :O

“Our marines haven’t had enough of raping the girls, sodomizing the detainees, and shooting civilians for fun.”

A majority of our mercenary thugs wouldn’t like rooming with a gay. Well, THEIR tender feelings should direct national policy, should they?

Same pattern over and over by the (Bush style) generals: absolute statements about what the enemy is thinking and yet the war goes on and on with no end in sight… No accountability for the mistaken absolute statements of the past. And criticizing the President in public. Show him the door.

They should jerk his pension as well. Set an example.

10 fucking years! billioins and billions of dollars, thousands of dead civilians, dead soldiers,
what the fuck? we learned nothing from vietnam (we, meaning dipshit politicians and career soldiers) in vietnam we killed over a million vietnamese and still lost the war, and just what the fuck were we there for? and what the fuck are we doing in the graveyard of empires? still sticking to the fairy tale about goat herders successfully bringing down the towers, please!!

Getting tired of the war? How about sick of it 5 years ago dumbro.

This general needs to shut up and salute the civilian leadership, as the constitution demands. If he cannot do that he needs to be replaced. We could be in both Iraq and Afghanistan for twenty years and still not be done.
Come home and fix America, heal the sick and lost here living on the streets. Spend our treasury on things other than fixing other countries. I nearly died in Vietnam, in the Marines, and I see no reason for Marines to die in that country.
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War is what generals do. They will keep this on active for as long as possible, laughing in the face of the huge Chinese buildup.

Public insubordination. Fire his ass. Today.

somebody needs to remind the general that china has become a miltary power.
we’r looking at a legimate threat, from old school communists, the 1′s that could care less
about the c.c.p. they will plan, and then exercise the expanshion of chinese power.
the pentagon has got it all wrong again? downsizing the miltary for terrorists will leave us
unprepaired for the huge threat of china’s miltary.

Is that a riddle or Marine Corps Ebonics?

Ya think? Dumb ass.

Personally I believe that the only difference between “gays” and child molesters is the age preference. Both are sexually confused but over the years one has become socially acceptable. But BOTH still share the same problem.

Whether that problem is a biological, environmental or simply a choice… doesn’t matter.

Age does not make one right and one wrong.

But realistically I have known through my 20 years of service that there have always been sexually confused people serving in the military.

But in the military…in the interest of maintaining order and discipline. We all wear the same uniform, we don’t have casual fridays and we are all expected to abide by the same standard of conduct. In many cases E-5 and below are expected to share living quarters including showers. In some cases racks stacked 3 -4 high or 10 to a tent. Adding a openly gay guy to that environment is just not going to work.

So the result if and when it does happen will be that the red blooded, ass kicking, god fearing, hetro-sexuals who have protected this country for 200 + years are simply going to say…. I don’t need this shit. They simply won’t re-enlist. Within 4 years of “don’t ask – don’t tell” going away in lieu of the new and improved village peoples military….

All of those civilians between the ages of 17 and 50 who have so far let someone else protect their country for them will get the chance to serve. And decide for themselves how they feel about serving with an openly gay service member.

I hope you and all of the village people enjoy your time together.

Another military leader playing politics. Needs to be fired NOW!

Somehow I don’t think you are actually a “ex-marine” as yo claim.

Since any real Marine knows there is no such thing as an “ex-Marine” and that usmcr stands for USMC “retired” not reserve.

Are you sure you weren’t maybe in the Army or the boy scouts?

Don’t confuse the service of military personnel of any service with the policies of a corrupt presidential administration. I didn’t vote for Bush the first time or the second. Over half of the people in this country can’t make that claim.

This country isn’t called a “Super Power” because we have great colleges and football teams.

And the day another country thinks we are no longer a “Super Power” will be the day you better start finding somewhere to hide.

So as much as the military haters of this country hate to admit it. I think they are still smart enough to know what would happen if the military were to pack up and go home.

At the end of the day… we are just like everybody else with one exception…. we’
re not the kind of people who sit at home and criticize the sacrifice made by other people on our behalf.

And no matter how badly YOU may hate to have to admit. The military “whether YOU like it or not” does….. protect this country and whether WE want to or not….your right to insult the very people who serve and sometimes die to protect you and your right to say stupid shit.

I find it ironic that the same people people who blame the “military” in general for the state this country is in…. are the same dumbasses who keep electing the same corrupt SOBs to run this country.

You aren’t one of the morons that voted for Bush or are helping McSame get elected are you?

And as far as who has served this country……. You were what? A civilian contractor? LOL

Yeah, I think about 10 million Americans got pretty mad at their bosses when their jobs went away. Join the club.

So I’m guessing once we all go home…. We can count on YOU to protect us? Or did you have someone else in mind? Maybe you were planning on staying with your original plan and AGAIN have someone else do it for you?

Maybe you are one of those people that believe China’s efforts to build a Blue Water Navy is so they can just go on pleasure cruises around the world. Or that should there ever be a Nuclear Weapon of some time ever delivered or detontated in the United States…. that in the following days or months when there is complete chaos… that all of the other countries in the World are all going to send their Red Cross. and not one of them is going to send an Army?

Or that when our economy continues to melt down and the United States is on its knees we can count on people like you to show up and defend this country?

Unless you have a better plan all you are doing is talking out your ass.

And as far as loosing wars go… The military and by that I mean the guys on the ground that are actually fighting those wars… the ones you are talking shit about…. have never lost a war… they may have lost their life. they may have lost their family, they may lost their friends, but its the civilians in Washington who have always…lost the wars.

The first Gulf War vs the “Botch” war is a classic example.

The first Gulf War was a war fought by the military. From the time the first boots where on the ground until the war was over it lasted a 100 hrs at a cost of $40 billion.

We destroyed Iraqs air force, most of it while it was on the ground, and its army. Including its armor, tanks, artillery, scud launchers, communications, and radar.

The “botch” war… the one directed by the White House has lasted longer than all of the wars from WW II to present and has cost more than all of those wars put together and adjusted for inflation. When that war started.. Iraq had no military, no air force, no army, no tanks, nothing.. nada.

So the question people should be asking is…. How in the hell can that be?

BTW…. the troops that are on their 3rd, 4th and 5th tours… and the ones with flags at the foot of their graves…. the “military” as you and a lot people make generalizations about….

Don’t make policy in this country.

I fougth in Vietnam, I don’t like these wars as much as I didn’t like Vietnam…BUT…You sir are an absolute idiot. I assume you’ve never been in combat, or you’d be a tad slower to insult and deride our troops. In any cross section of America we have some idiots, you’re a good example of that. Go find someone else to spit on you retard.

Oh, and yes, General Conway needs to go home and rest. He knows, as well as the lowest private knows, military personnel do not become involved in politics. As he very well knows:

“Forward, the Light Brigade!”
Was there a man dismay’d?
Not tho’ the soldier knew
Someone had blunder’d:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

Salute and “soldier on” General Conway….salute and soldier on.

Sorry to admit it, but yes I was a Marine and remember only two really good days from my time with the Corps: The day before I reported to MCRD San Diego, and the day I got out of the Corps.
I was so interested in all of the Marine Corps bullshit that I couldn’t, and I still can’t, tell you how the enlisted rank structure is identified above the rank of gunnery sergeant. For all I care the “r” could stand for “RETARDED”.
You’re right, a real Marine knows there is no such thing as an EX-Marine, but then those are the brain-washed and brain-dead who walk among us and submitted to mindless indoctrination.
I told a general one time to go fuck himself and so I have no problem telling you the same thing – - GO FUCK YOURSELF, fucking little house mouse!

“”I sense our country is increasingly growing tired of the war,” he said.”

Because you are getting your ass handed to yourself, you Whining Punk ass mother fucker.Where is the bravado of yesteryear? …

but since Most Yanks n

Who the hell let this sniveling little coward into the US Marine Corps anyway? Maybe if it wasn’t for incompetent anti-American trash like him the entire might of US forces wouldn’t still be losing a “war” against a handful of goat herders. Get this cowardly POS the hell out of our military!!!

Not only has he shown disrespect to his superiors he’s also shown himself to be a sniveling little coward.

When they instituted the “all-volunteer” concept, they added two even lower mental categories — as unbelievable as that is to those who served during the Draft.

Having demonstrated you understood absolutely nothing of what I’ve said so far, no-think-ski, would obviously place you in Mental Category 6.

Reading is so very difficult for you kind, clown.

Sonny, it’s exactly fat tards like yourself, who have demonstrably spend all you time since mustering out at guzzling booze, and watching sports while your head is permanently affixed up your ample butt.

As a combat vet who isn’t a certified douchebag, I know enough to ask the first question:

If Conway’s intel is so good, why doesn’t he extract his permanently useless head out of his useless butt AND FIND OSAMA?????

The next item: read through all the comments here, as in my one on the SIGIR report.

I’ve never heard of so many officer-crooks in the military, as if all those General Tards — who all believe themselves to be General Electric — who propagandized for Foxtard news for the Iraq War weren’t bad enough.

The only thing anyone wearing the US military, or any of those obscenely-paid mercenaries from all those American-based multinational-owned PMCs do, is support the multinationals who run America and continue to increase unemployment by offshoring American jobs and importing foreign scab workers, with taxpayer monies.

Son, exactly when in the bloody hell are you ever going to learn anything?

You obviously didn’t when you were in Vietnam; were you ever seriously incountry?

LBJ made $9 million off that war, clown!

Read the SIGIR report and study up on all the corrupt American generalissimos out there, sonny.

You spoke of the Revolution, yet you know nothing of what the Founders thought of a standing army?

The definition for you is illiterate.

Oh the joy. Another smug punk resorts to name calling a complete stranger without addressing my point at all, but I will address yours.

While it may be true The Founders were leary of standing armies prior to and just after the Revolution, that attitude changed dramatically when things came up like Jefferson sending our navy to the Mediterranean to protect our merchant ships for the Barbary pirates or the War of 1812.

If you think the Founders could see the world today and then advocate against having an army to protect the country, well that just makes you stupid.

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