Oh No, no fuckin’ way! We gotta get a list of who bought these damn things especially if any local cops have them. Support your local ACLU chapter if you have one.

Oh No, no fuckin’ way! We gotta get a list of who bought these damn things especially if any local cops have them. Support your local ACLU chapter if you have one.

If you have to worry about it, they are probably already conducting Backscatter X-rays. This is reprehensible, tyrannical, and oppressive. I’m with Chip. No fucking way!!! This is just too messed up. This shit is not right. They just crossed the line in the sand on this. Yeah, we won’t abuse tasers, they’re not lethal force. Remember that one?

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Irradiating the public without it’s consent or knowledge.
Big Glowing Brother drives a panel van. . . . who knew.?

Irradiating the public without it’s consent or knowledge.
Big Glowing Brother drives a panel van. . . . who knew.?

Lets just ban clothing and all become nudists…apparently the concept of physical privacy is already dead…lets just push the envelope and see how much further we can go before submitting to voluntary surgery to determine if bombs are hidden in our spleens.

Wake up and smell the radiation bitches -Uncle Sam

If a bomb were to be created that detonates on detection of x-ray backscatter, this van could become a government sponsored detonator.

O, hi there DHS guy. Nice to see you are reading Rawstory comments.

Everyone is worried about privacy. No one seems to be concerned about the health risk of backscatter irradiation. It’s dangerous!!! Privacy loss doesn’t kill; irradiation is cumulative and eventually, it does — kill, that is.

Yes, I know all about that but you’re talking to someone who was trained to use “duck & cover” in case of a nuclear blast. That was when they announced that a nuclear explosion was going to be tested in the Nevada desert around Las Vegas – I lived in Minnesota as a kid then. Yeah, there was going to be fall-out radiation but the military-industrial complex didn’t much care about human beings – only dollars. While it didn’t affect me, it did kill an awful lot of people including members of the military who became test rats for the military-industrial complex. I don’t think many of those guys lived very long after that one. Then there were the bomb shelters – only the rich could afford to build them so otherwise if a nuclear attack did occur, we were supposed to run to our nearest public bomb shelter. That worked ok during WW2 but not in 1950′s-60′s. Remember the Cuban missle crisis – now that was a real threat.

“The Constitution may have taken a battering in recent years, but on this point it remains clear.” –Jay Stanley

“This Constitution… and all Treaties made… shall be the supreme Law of the Land…” –USC, Art.VI

Treaties made between the US govt and native american nations have been routinely broken since the beginning; thus, the Constitution has been a joke since the beginning. You think you have constitutional protections? Ha. The Constitution clearly says in several places, “Congress shall make no law…” and then Congress goes ahead and makes such laws, and courts uphold them. You think you have privacy rights, and you’re protected from warrantless searches? Ha. Unfortunately, GW Bush was exactly right — the Constitution *is* just a scrap of paper. Welcome to the police state.

“The Constitution may have taken a battering in recent years, but on this point it remains clear.” –Jay Stanley

“This Constitution… and all Treaties made… shall be the supreme Law of the Land…” –USC, Art.VI

Treaties made between the US govt and native american nations have been routinely broken since the beginning; thus, the Constitution has been a joke since the beginning. You think you have constitutional protections? Ha. The Constitution clearly says in several places, “Congress shall make no law…” and then Congress goes ahead and makes such laws, and courts uphold them. You think you have privacy rights, and you’re protected from warrantless searches? Ha. Unfortunately, GW Bush was exactly right — the Constitution *is* just a scrap of paper. Welcome to the police state.

Umm, we’ve been eating irradiated meat/poultry/fish for quite a while. They (the USDA) says it’s safe.

And as Ed Mcmahon said to Carnac the Magnificent: You are correct!!!

I thought I hit reply but the answer is the same – Carnac the Magnificent.

The people running the national security show are themselves dangerous, paranoid extremists.

How about health effects of getting repeatedly xrayed?

Sounds like an illegal search to me.

thats why i no longer fly us nazi airlines

I see demand for RPGs skyrocketing…

“government agencies had better not be roaming US streets conducting backscatter X-ray scans of vehicles and their occupants (much less pedestrians, cyclists, etc.) without their knowledge or consent”

Or you will do what? Stamp your foot? Hold your breath? Oh, you’ll take them to court. Yeah, that will work. You can bring your case to the same court system that locks up homeless people and lets Wall street bank robbers flip us the bird as they ride out of town with our money? Oh that’s right. If you lose you can take your case all of the way to the supreme court. You mean the one that just decided a corporation is more human than we are?

Do you civil liberty folks want to find out how to handle our national police state dilemma using the system? Investigate Germany, post Reichstag. After you’ve done that go ahead and line up. Hey, it’s just a shower.

I fear we’ve let web cams and traffic cams proliferate to a point where an argument against these might be difficult.

Alex Jones has been warning about this for years. We are so far down the slippery slope it will be very difficult to claw our way back. People need to flood their city halls and county courthouses in protest of this intrusive, potentially fascist technology.

Here’s my favorite part: “AS&E’s Reiss says his company’s machines are not as intrusive as the body scanners being used in airports. He told Forbes’ Greenberg that the machines can’t reproduce images of people’s faces and bodies as clearly as airport machines.

“From a privacy standpoint, I’m hard-pressed to see what the concern or objection could be,” he said.”

This guy wouldn’t know the Fourth Amendment if someone slapped him over the head with it. Just because you can see less than the airport scanners doesn’t mean it’s not a search.

They also said slaughterhouse floor scrapings mixed with ammonia is a perfectly safe way for fast food chains to make burgers…

you’re right. The guy seems to think that saying “as clearly as” justifies the use of these machines on the street.

What are we getting ready for? Car bombing in the United States is an extraordinarily rare occurrence. And hardly a good excuse for throwing x-rays around. X-rays are a form of radiation you know.

There is no correlation. Those cameras see what people see. Our current body of law is well established, concerning things that are visible to the naked eye.

This new technology sees what eyes cannot and opens up a whole new can of worms.

How about the health effects of the X rays in sunlight?

Well we asked the government for more transparency and I guess they got the wrong idea.

You don’t live in Minnesota or New England, do you?

Yes sir, the indoctrination and brainwashing programs are proceeding according to schedule.

I’m still waiting for the pot selling “Ice Cream” truck to come down my street.

The problem is high budgets for law enforcement. Companies like AS&E just fill a demand making shiny baubles for LE to blow their generous allowance on. AS&E couldn’t care less about your “rights”, they only want money. Meanwhile, most of these devices will be used primarily to leer at women, just like the old X ray specs ad in the comic books.

Pure natural sunlight contains far more X-rays and nasty radioactive particles than are emitted by these machines. Think about the efforts people make to shield themselves from the deadly hazard of sunlight. Look at how many people die from skin cancer every year. It is really just “radiation poisoning” of another sort.

These machines are indeed the devil incarnate but stick to facts that you can defend.

I agree its a new can of worms, but I still don’t like all the cameras everywhere. Those cameras see what the government paid viewers see. Am I allowed to see it? Maybe if I ask and pull the proper strings, but it’s still too Stasi for me. But now that they’ve got these new x-ray spec vans and they’ve also got hidden cameras that they could put anywhere… I guess we have to be open to being subjects of a reality show for government viewers. We might as well all start nudist colonies in clear plexiglass houses for the entertainment of government peeping toms. They’ll probably mount the scanners next to the traffic cameras, without telling us… I dislike the street cameras but I haven’t complained and I don’t know what they did to legally get away with it I admit… but I still dislike them and consider them an affront to my freedom. I don’t like being watched, but maybe I need to be more accepting of the Paparazzi wether it be public or privately funded.

“I’m still waiting for the pot selling “Ice Cream” truck to come down my street.”

LOL, maybe you are looking in the wrong direction? It is the “Lunch Wagon” selling that’s pot. Thank God we have the x-ray scanners coming down the street! Oh – no – wait they are scanning my car! Take my wife, please.

When they said transparency apparently they meant xray transparency

Right, I agree, new can of worms.
What if they’re used to identify a potential target, then the subsequent tracking is done through other means. So, the x-ray picks up a suspicious object (a laptop maybe? supplies of a chemistry professor? fertilizer in a landscapers truck?), then the webcams and satellite and facial recognition follow you everywhere, probably forever. That tracking and harassment would be legal, right?
With there be a “no drive” blacklist? Special requirements when you renew your license?
Anyway, I support the ACLU as always. Glad to know they’re watching.
They’re gonna love these devices in UK.

You don’t get the concentrated amount of x-rays from sunlight as you do from those machines. Your ignorance is astounding.

And just how do they get away with this crap in the airports? I stopped flying because of the TSA goon squad.

“From a privacy standpoint, I’m hard-pressed to see what the concern or objection could be,” he said.

As Upton Sinclair said, “It’s difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.”

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Written by a judge, well worth the time reading.

http://ur1.ca/11wsw

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CLEAR LIGHT—–MR. BLUE

Good morning Mister Blue, we’ve got our eyes on you.
The evidence is clear, that you’ve been scheming.
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You like to spend an hour dreaming.
What will it take, to whip you into line?
A broken heart? A broken head?
It can be arranged. It can be arranged.

Step softly Mister Blue, we know what’s best for you.
We know where your precious dreams will take you.
You’ve got a slot to fill, and fill that slot you will.
You’ll learn to love it, or we’ll break you.
Oh, what will it take, to whip you into line?
A broken heart? A broken head?
It can be arranged. It can be arranged.

Be careful Mister Blue this phase you’re going through,
Can lead you nowhere else, but to disaster.
Excuse us while we grin, you’ve worn our patience thin.
It’s time to show you who is your master.
What will it take, to whip you into line?
A broken heart? A broken head?
It can be arranged. It can be arranged.

Don’t worry Mister Blue, we’ll take good care of you.
Just think of it as sense and not surrender.
But never think again, that you can think again,
Or you’ll get something you’ll remember.
What will it take to whip you into line?
A broken heart? A broken head?
It can be arranged. It can be arranged.

Why I carry a gun.

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Perhaps all this money could be spent on finding a cure for heart disease instead? You know, a threat that actually kills Americans.

To review: After 10 years we still don’t scan all of the cargo in domestic passenger planes. We still do not have adequate container scanning capacity at US ports but we have enough moola to buy scanners to roam the streets of America looking for?????

These are the types of stories that make people hate govt. and become TEA baggers!

what do you like better? scanners coming to a street near you or car bombs coming to a street near you?

and you should do a little more research toward getting your facts correct. by the way – are you able to obtain your regular quantity of marijuana ? if not, it’s because these same scanners are used at the border to stop drugs, other contraband and potentially worse threats from crossing into the US.

Next up – micro drones buzzing around your neighborhood.

yes there will soon be small virtually invisible drones from DARPA .
they could be weaponized..the drone attacks in pakistan are piloted by technicians north of las vegas nev., there could soon be swarms of them with a collective consciousness..
think thermite termites. look up ” smart dust”.

Oh fucking great… Now I need a tin hat AND lead underwear!

Actually, the car bombs, if they do occur, will be from the “government” just as 9/11 and the Anthrax attacks were. Both were clearly false flag terror operations and the Patriot Act and the consequential destruction of our constitutional rights was one of the objectives. You are clearly being suckered by the MSM/Pentagon “fear” game into willingly accepting tyranny and slavery. Goodbye America! Hello Amerika….

Martin, your argument is silly.

If you really think this is about stopping random acts of violence your time would be better served back in front of the idiot box than here in the blogs.

The Pentagon can do anything they want. They stole the “government” on 9/11.

I’m sick of hearing the BS on these scanners. They do not show nudity- if you think an embossed/x-ray scan is “nude”, you’re a conservative prude.

I’m not going to get blown up by a bomb because you’re embarrassed someone might see you naked (despite it not being naked whatsoever.)

The more scanners and cameras the better.

It is inevitible there are more disgruntled citizens everyday, as a global reaction to corporate/elitist greed sucking the middle class taxbase dry while removing basic rights to object through lawful protest. The police state mentality of more efficent means of surveillance is supported by the very same people who are robbing the taxpayer blind so they may deter any future objections to the way they have conducted themselves as ourcorporate leaders, just in case someday ‘the people’ decide to stand collectively together against these corporate fiends who have dragged humanity down to such a base postion.

In that case there is nothing to worry about because the system must be totally ineffective:
Drugs, other contraband and potentially worse threats are presently crossing into the US unabated.

I decided to forgo any future mammograms because I don’t want to be radiated any longer. Now this.

“Car bombs, if they do occur, will be from the “government” just as 9/11 and the Anthrax attacks were.”

Clearly, your mistrust of the government has colored your view so you don’t see that both 9/11 and the Anthrax attacks were perpetrated by the shadowy conspiracy between the Scientologist, Zionists, the Italian Mafia, militia members, Ted Kaczynski and the Bluedog Democrats, loosely tied to dubious international bankers. Everyone knows that.

All of this is just prelude to a total surveillance police state. Apparently you do not cherish your constitutional rights and freedoms and would without a thought surrender them to a criminal “government” of transnational corporations and militarists. Once freedoms are lost they are lost forever. Then you, like me and everyone else, will be a criminal by default and subject to arrest and imprisonment for any reason (or no reason) without any right to defend yourself. Quite honestly, you are a delusional MSM/Pentagon brainwashed fool to believe body scanners, unlimited police surveillance and search/seizure are for defeating the dreaded and mythical CIA created “Islamic Terrorists”. They aren’t. They never were. All of it is to enslave you and your children and their children and to turn everyone into a mindless conformist robot. Wake up. Stop watching MSM “news”. Read 1984 by George Orwell.

“From a privacy standpoint, I’m hard pressed to see what the concern or objection could be.” Well, you can thank the Republicans the Neo-Cons and even the Democrats who voted for the “Patriot” Act in a knee-jerk reaction to 9/11. Police Departments and Prosecutors all over the country will be asking for these full-body scanners very soon. They won’t be looking for suicide vests either but rather anything that they can claim is a concealable item. Just because the technology exists does not give the government the right to use it without a reason (or, as is called in legal terms, probable cause). We are inching closer to a society like Chile’s under Pinochet or Argentina under the Junta where people deemed to be “enemies of the state” just disappeared. Lots of everyday citizens believed it was acceptable to use extra-legal means to fight the “dirty war”. The same is happening here. (“Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest?”) In years to come, the shameless among us who have no problem with this loss of fundamental freedom from government intrusion will all line up and say that they never said such a thing and that they fought against it. I hope they’ll be saying this from a chow line in prison where they will be as a result of these tactics they so happily embrace now.

You know, it’s stuff like this and Google’s betrayl of us and all the other stuff they’re coming up with that ought to spur us abused consumers to come up with our own answers to this stuff. Come up with ray deflectors, tap into proposed internet tier system and get it for free (you know there’s going to be a way to do this no matter what they come up with) or do the cable tv con — there all kinds of ways to hurt them. The elite are forcing us is to be guerillas. Let’s have some fun with it.

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But the terrorists will win if we don’t let our Leaders dismantle our Constitution…
… NO?

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And what crime are they going to charge the rednecks with when they start shooitng them down?

AND… with the ready availability of facial recognition software you will need a supply of silicone facial gel for a new face on a daily basis!

How many of these rigs will we need on the streets to stop say…. a Tim McVey. If we were SERIOUS about stopping domestic terror attacks the money would be better used for HUMAN intelligence. Or better yet how about spending the money on things that improve our society like education or universal healthcare.

Oh yeah I forgot there is not “money” in that!

The Constitutuion became a thing of the past with the bush adm. What he didn’t shred the republicans want to be able to change to meet the right wings agenda. I don’t think we can depend on the Democrats to stand up to the repubs . The only way we can protect us and take our country back from the industrial military complex is to start acting out and send a message loud and clear about our intentions. As long as they have these kind of machines they will be used against us .

Jaym, you said: “The more scanners and cameras the better”…This statement says a lot about you, to some of us it’s obvious who you are, Did you know that the odds of you being killed in a terrorist attack is roughly 1 in 9 million? You should consider other things that are considerably more risky, like cholesterol, working for assholes, cancer (of which by the way these body scanners greatly increase the risk), and I dunno maybe a psychotic government. All of these things are far more likely to kill you than an actual terrorist attack, but if you want to continue living in the illusion and with no privacy, well that’s your choice. I think i might have a solution, how about all of you people who are pussies and think the government should take care of you from cradle to grave, raise taxes watch our every move, how about you all go and live together, you can even name your new country Oceania, or Eurasia if you like. I sincerely hope you understand the literary significance of those names, if you don’t I encourage you to go and read 1984, and next time you walk through a Body Scanner see if you can feel your DNA ripping apart, b/c that’s what it does to you. Don’t believe me? http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24331/

First of all, you’re an idiot. Second, you’re suggesting that there are “car bombs” coming to a street near us? What would you think that’s going to happen? Tell me, how many car bombs have gone off on a street corner near you recently? What reality are you living in? I dare you right now to go out to your street corner and take a look around… Did you see any car bombers? Any guys running around with explosives? No, it was relatively peaceful wasn’t it, jackass. You should do a little more research into the kinds of people selling this tech, and the kinds of people insisting that we use it on “street corners”, because they are the same kinds of people that don’t actually give a shit about you or your family.

Go smoke a joint, maybe then you’ll be able to grasp what is going on.

http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24331/

Let me guess,… you didn’t even get through the Cliff Notes version of ’1984′ , did you?

The Chinese, Korean and Russian governments must be sooo jealous.

Come on, please try to think rationally. All of this garbage costs money, tons of it, that is going into a black hole that gives us NADA in return. Need a little comfort for low cost, just don’t walk out of the house in the morning and sleep in a coat of armor. I put this security state garbage on an even par with the 80 thousand lights on cop car (which, by the way, are a safety hazard). For all this money, we could all have solar panels, wood burning stoves, water purifiers, new laptops, and so forth. And if we’re so worried about contraband, I’m not sure what contraband would justify the costs and moral issues. The drug war is the phoniest story going. What, some DVD’s? Guns? Why get those from Canada? It’s nonsense.

Welcome to the brave new world

Can’t have a Police State without the Police and their magical tools.

The STASI went so far as to create smell samples of all potential dissidents so their dogs could help locate them when needed.

What can today’s scientists dream up and today’s lobbyists sell?

ROFLMAO

It is truly mind boggeling that people don’t realize Democrats are trampling the constitution every bit as much as the Republicans did.

I would much rather be blown up by a terrorist bomb than live in a POLICE STATE.

Learn your history, or at least move to some nation where my ancestors didn’t risk their lives for Freedom and Liberty.

I would much rather Die than live in a Police State.

Why not move to China or something if you hate Freedom?

I hold a government radio license. Its not just the power of the radiation but also the frequency. Virtually nothing is known about the effects of this frequency and its potential effects upon DNA which is resonant and close enough to the surface of the skin to potentially absorb an unusually large amount of this radiation. (your head is resonant on cell freqs, this is why there’s concern there, DNA is a lot smaller than your brain)

I’m with ya bro.

Lemme just add — follow the money. Central banking is the most profitable enterprise on planet earth.

Thank god we’re going to get rid of bush so we don’t have to put up with this crap any…wait a minute…what year is this?

1. Arrogant foreign and domestic policy.
2. Constitutional rights.
3. Safety from violence.

Pick two.

I mostly agree. But, wait until Glen Beck and Sarah Palin get their hands on these tools. Then, the real fun begins.

Well said. If he thinks this is ok, he should get scanned at least once a day to make sure he’s “safe”. Can’t wait to see how long it takes before he discovers he has cancer from exposure to the radiation from the body scanners.

What’s really a mind-boggler is that people continue to (appear to) think that the “distinction” between “democrats” and “republicans” is anything other than an artifice in order to deflect the attention of the public, and therefore enlightened debate, from genuine matters of concern.

You could refine number one just a bit. Killing people for their shit, may be slightly more than arrogant. I’ll settle for Predatory Foreign Policy. Despite my quibble, I’m your first ‘like’.

You are exponentially more likely to be eaten by a dog, or killed by a falling coconut. .. . struck by lightning.

Please come back when you’ve sacked up enough to admit that you are a fool. Then do something about it.

How about we stop killing them over there, so that they stop . . . oh wait. They aren’t killing us over here. . . that was US too.

And there we have separation, when separation occurs it makes it easier to lead the people into the pits of hell and they will never know the difference. sounds familiar?

How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don’t think.
‘Adolf Hitler’

You are assuming that they will? Those individuals? I doubt it. Neither of them could find their privates to expel waste without their assistants. Your larger argument, that similarly disposed individuals who aren’t stupid will get their hands on these tools, I would accept as axiomatic.

Your position as stated here doesn’t dispute my thesis that political distinctions are artifice. The current crop of tools in the White House is no more or less likely to use machines like that in the article than the next crop of dingleberries, or the one after that, etc.

“Working” in public office is woefully underpaid with respect to their counterparts in private industry. The President of the United States earns no more than a particularly smart computer programmer working in the right industry. Congresscritters don’t earn a great deal more than I do. People in public office – all of them – suffer such intense scrutiny from every conceivable angle that it’s a wonder why they do it at all. It certainly isn’t for the crap salaries they get paid (despite the excellent working conditions and benefits). I would bet all of my remaining heartbeats the the number of people in Congress, the Presidency, and so on aren’t “in it” for altruism.

That suggests what I think that I am suggesting. That these people are accruing benefits that just aren’t clear to the populace, and that nearly everything that passes for “political news” is a sham designed to prevent people from learning exactly what it is that our so-called leaders are in the service of.

By the way, once state surveillance becomes ubiquitous, after some passage of time so will countermeasures to that surveillance.

That, my friend wunascon, is when the real fun begins.

>> You are assuming that they will? Those individuals? I doubt it. Neither of them could find their privates to expel waste without their assistants.

I think the unfortunate example of “George W. Bush” is relevant here…;-)

But, I agree with most of what you said.

I can suspect of a million other options.

I’m always adding new perceptions in regard to.

so – yesterday a nut case manages to take a gun and a bomb into discovery. fortunately, nobody from discovery got hurt. unfortunately (depending on your point view) the bad guy was killed by police. and that was a nut case. imagine if a group with an intent to terrorize made the effort – the outcome would have been worse.

indiscriminate screening is uncalled for but there is a need for screening in certain places and cases.

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