Typical. “National Security” horsesh*t coverup trumps human rights.

WHERE IS MY AMERICA??!!?

It was on TV.

An interesting interview on the Peter B Collins show with a woman who claims that she and her sister were experimented on by the CIA with LSD as children. And that other experiments, including electroshock therapy were carried out on other children.

http://peterbcollins.com/2010/08/23/3022/

I entered the Air Force in Sept of 1962 and went thru basic training at Lackland AFB.We were sent to Brooks AFB to one day to be involved in an test.We were given pills to take and told to hang around in the day room where we watched T.V..played cards.We were interviewed about our experience of the day after taking the pill.I must have been given a placebo because nothing happened to me.I do recall other troops claiming they could see the colors of certain sounds and some were talking crazy.

The new LSD and agent orange.

The U.S. branch of Big Zio’s global dirty deeds division (the CIA) does NOT answer to federal judges, they, like federal judges who wish to keep their jobs, answer to Big Zio.

LSD is not always a negative tool, you could go off into the woods and be completely at peace ‘at one” with nature and the world, psychedelics are potentially “sacred” and perhaps “holy” in the state of mind they can induce in “pure of heart” and morally prepared people in a benign, natural, non-violent setting. No one will understand a word you’re saying that is true. The fact that this tool was demonized and got into the hands of the military and what is perhaps the most secretly kept information is not the experiments done with the drugs but that certain chemicals may not actually be a destructive tool if used carefully and consciously, however the cleansed perception will perhaps “cut through the bullshit” as they say and one wouldn’t be able to participate with a clear conscience in systems and programs one is aware that exacts harm and damage on living things. So is the “flower child” concept.

No, elements in Gvt WOULD NEVER harm its own citizenry. Kill almost 10,000 slowly by poisoning or 3000 in one day. anyone thinks whomever the sick F*CK that was who PLANNED and signed off on these programs, uh… that’d be the Sec.Def, NSC, Dir.CIA, Sen.Intel Comm.Chair, and the POTUS, EVERYONE of those positions SINCE murder of JFK.

So really, just because 9/11 was so visually shocking and traumatizing and happened in such a compressed time frame, like little scared little children, 65% of the population still refused to even bother to really look into WTC7 and accept the Gvt’s OFFICIALLY propagandized PR.BULLSH*T as the gospel truth?

This would be the same moronic reason 41% of this nations still believes that they’re are really two parties and equally bought and still is buying the turd Wall St. Bankster puppet GWB, as well as oBUSHma, one teleprompter line at a time.

It’s like unless some former gvt. employee, once out, then challenges the system, idiot sheeple refuse to believe or even investigate, let alone entertain the notion, some of the most absurd, degenerate, murderistic impulse the human mind can conjure up could have actually been written to policy, funded, and carried out.

It’s like DUH! Don’t you know? YES, ALL Gov’ts. ARE EVIL, BY NATURE, INCLUDING OURS, as it only ATTRACTS control-freaks, and SOCIO-PATHS of EVERY given populace.

God/Singularity help us all. But, better late than never.

They’ve been experimenting on all of us over the years. This is widely known and declassified. More than likely they are continuing with similar experiments. The govt has never held it’s people in high regard and I would say today they hold us with even less regard. We essentially have a rogue govt that offers little to no transparency or accountability. 911 was the achilles heel to the loss of power we the people use to posses. Of course I have numerous questions about 911 as do the 911 victim’s family members. Only about 30% of their questions were answered and I’d say that’s fairly accurate for me as well. I hope we can take our govt back and put it into the hands of the people again. This will only happen when we vote out all the status quo-establishment politicians. We must give up the illusion of the left/right paradigm & put in politicians who will serve the people and honor our constitution.

The CIA is the big troll under the bridge that eats American citizens. This sought information must be released and disclosed to the public. There is to be no resolution gained from legal wrangling and wrist slapping. The information must become public.

Well, that’s the CIA: horrifying “experiments” on innocent, uninformed people (including children) and a complete, open disdain for the law. The CIA needs to be rooted out of the US and destroyed.

Yeah, this is all The Jews(tm)’s doing. Good thinking–now go back to Stormfront and play with the rest of the Nazis.

This happened to me and I’m not a Vet,,
I’m a Mk Ultra Victim now Under Protective Custody and have been since Nov.2004…
April 2001 the CIA via the internet announced they were in my home implied they were the United States Secret Service,,

It’s along story,but to sum it up..
Via Mk Ultra I was picked from birth,1955.They selected me to be there Permanent Records..
I was rescued Nov.2004 and all data that was stored with Mk Ultra via my brain was transferred to several people in federal law enforcement…including Mark Sullivan of the United States Secret Service…Mueller of the FBI is corrupt,,
Crimes going back to JFK’S death were stored,,
Including every government secret code name and project,,the DUMB’s_Northrup,,Kite,,Operation Northwoods,,all of them..Decades of crimes planned,discussed and stored…

They stored there Satanical methods,,along with the atrocities they have done to the American People,,Along with some criminal data in other parts of the World,,Allot involving England..

Mk Ultra works with scarring words to your memory,,On you tube Cathy O’brien explains how it works..
I had thousands of scars as I was there Permanent Records..
It was never New World Order,,it was stored Jew World Order,,I had hundreds of Jews names scarred to my memory,,
They opened all there storage April 2001 for discussion,,then proceeded to plan and discuss every detail about 9/11,,War,,how they would Torture,,and much more…

It took over 2 1/2 years to transfer all the data stored to law enforcement…In this process the trauma’s were removed and the words were put back in my memory,,I remember everything..

Every Atrocity they were behind,,,Franklin Scandal,,Bohemiun Grove,,the horrors they have done to Christian people with 4D technology..

During the time frame of April 2001-Nov.2004 before the law tapped them on the shoulder,,they used me via technology in a Global Network of sending messages via Media’s,,Basically from the US to Europe,,In this they also used me to send orders to AIPAC,Mossad,and many others,,This network was a Jew exclusive program..

Every crime you have heard or read about, that data was stored via Mk Ultra and me..There are also many crimes that haven’t been exposed,,Such as connecting abducted American children with the names of police officers,,,and so much more..

You probably have read about the many crimes the CIA has committed outside the US,,IT WAS IN THE US ALSO..
Operation Sunbeam was the name for killing children under “Sudden Infant Crib Death”..

They stored data on Chem trails,,Making weather,Global Warming Fraud,,Swine Flue Fraud,on dieseas they created such as Ebola,,they stored it all and planned it all,,

I was the Rothschild’s storage disc,,they stored Bilderburg Group,Rockefeller,,13 Illuminati,,Every major player in NWO/JWO,,Everything Judaism,,everything Jew..along with data on all other religions,,

They did store some data from before JFK’S death,,long kept secrets,,
Needless to say I had no life,,they steered and controlled my life for there data..

They stored data on Stock Market Fraud,,the Banks having 2 sets of books,,etc,etc,,

I will close with this episode,,,
During the Clinton years they used me to communicate like a telephone,,
My neighbors son named Clinton,who got on the bus with a Monica and there teacher was Whinsky..

I think I have a 100 books to write,,it’s been a hard haul since Nov.2004, having the above corruption work daily to take me down/out,,
Just in case your wondering how brutal the Jew controlled CIA are:
Cut off one of my arms,,but please stop the pain
Cut off both my arms,,,but please stop the pain
Cut off both my arms and one leg,,but please stop the pain
Cut off both my arms and both legs,,but please stop the pain
Cut off both arms,,both legs, and take my eye sight,,but please stop the pain
Kill everybody I know,including my children,,but please stop the pain,,

They didn’t stop the pain,,
Then Help stepped in and put me under protective custody,,

Keep fighting for humanity..

They didn’t stop the experiments in the 1970s.
The anthrax shot from 2000 and 2003 experimented with the unapproved adjuvant, or booster, squalene.
As a result of covering up the carnage this caused in the military, we now have squalene in some versions of the swine and bird flu vaccines.
Squalene causes autoimmune disorders to include lupus, arthritis, brain enflamation, spinal inflamation, strokes, virulent skin rashes and many other severe aliments.
They got away with it with the military, and now they are coming for you.

MK Ultra. Always wary of ‘lone shooter’ stories

I didn’t say anything about Jews, but then I think you know that full well don’t you little Zio-troll — now report back to your AIPAC handler and ask for something a little more original to come back with.

Paging Dr. Mengele!! Paging Dr. Mengele!!

I’ve found it hard to be completely at peace, at one with nature and the world, while I’m laughing my ass off. That’s all acid is good for, anyway. If you’re tripping out on the visuals, you’re not doing it right.

For more, have a look at Wikipedia Entry for Project MKULTRA!

The CIA paid Dr. Even Cameron to torture my mother in a Canadian Mental Hospital in the 1950′s. “The experiments were exported to Canada when the CIA recruited Scottish psychiatrist Donald Ewen Cameron, creator of the “psychic driving” concept, which the CIA found particularly interesting. Cameron had been hoping to correct schizophrenia by erasing existing memories and reprogramming the psyche.”

“One 1955 MKULTRA document gives an indication of the size and range of the effort; this document refers to the study of an assortment of mind-altering substances described as follows:[23]

1.Substances which will promote illogical thinking and impulsiveness to the point where the recipient would be discredited in public.
2.Substances which increase the efficiency of mentation and perception.
3.Materials which will prevent or counteract the intoxicating effect of alcohol.
4.Materials which will promote the intoxicating effect of alcohol.
5.Materials which will produce the signs and symptoms of recognized diseases in a reversible way so that they may be used for malingering, etc.
6.Materials which will render the induction of hypnosis easier or otherwise enhance its usefulness.
7.Substances which will enhance the ability of individuals to withstand privation, torture and coercion during interrogation and so-called “brain-washing”.
8.Materials and physical methods which will produce amnesia for events preceding and during their use.
9.Physical methods of producing shock and confusion over extended periods of time and capable of surreptitious use.
10.Substances which produce physical disablement such as paralysis of the legs, acute anemia, etc.
11.Substances which will produce “pure” euphoria with no subsequent let-down.
12.Substances which alter personality structure in such a way that the tendency of the recipient to become dependent upon another person is enhanced.
13.A material which will cause mental confusion of such a type that the individual under its influence will find it difficult to maintain a fabrication under questioning.
14.Substances which will lower the ambition and general working efficiency of men when administered in undetectable amounts.
15.Substances which promote weakness or distortion of the eyesight or hearing faculties, preferably without permanent effects.
16.A knockout pill which can surreptitiously be administered in drinks, food, cigarettes, as an aerosol, etc., which will be safe to use, provide a maximum of amnesia, and be suitable for use by agent types on an ad hoc basis.
17.A material which can be surreptitiously administered by the above routes and which in very small amounts will make it impossible for a person to perform physical activity.”

Except if they actually happened.

That really does not come as a big surprise at all.

http://www.anon-tools.au.tc

I doubt if this suit will actually go anywhere. Under the “Feres doctrine,” military personnel have no legal recourse against medical malpractice, shoddy work or living conditions, or even being used as guinea pigs as in this instance. And if they die from any of the above, their survivors have no recourse either. In 1986 the SCOTUS rejected a suit by a man who had been dosed with LSD in a secret experiment (US vs. Stanley, 479 US 1005). At that time I still had a year to go on my USAF hitch. If I hadn’t already decided to get out, that news would have decided for me.

Support the troops?

Hasn’t the government always used the soldiers as guinea pigs??? They use us too. Haven’t you ever wondered where all those missing people go…why they can never be found and they vanish without a trace.

it all depends on the acid you are taking and your general state of mind before you take it … some acid made you laugh, some made you see into the astral plane where you could see through walls, (much the same as infrared camera’s) or at times the buildings would melt before your eyes or some cartoon would come out of the tv and start talking to you…

By way of enlightenment, the fact these clearly unconstitutional activities are not disappearing can be deduced from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dormouse], which tries to hide and divert attention from various government ‘experiments.’

The CIA doesn’t answer to federal law. The VVA will lose, and the veterans will go uncompensated for their hardships. That’s the way the country works, and will continue to work for a long time.

Ask any of us who served in Desert Storm about ‘PB tablets’ we were forced, even at gunpoint (this happened to me and many many others) to ingest. Ask us about the Anthrax shots we were given that hadn’t even been tested. As us about ongoing ailments that (civilian) doctors are flummoxed over.

I know this might sound like the exact thing you don’t need to hear right now, but you should seek out a trusted physician. You need some serious help.

Or, you’re just a troll who is here to discredit anyone who posts here.

In either case, be VERY careful what you type.

It’s all about set and setting. You won’t see the LOGOS until you are ready to see the LOGOS. Some people never get past the lovely distractions along the way.

Dosage and as stated previously quality of the material you ingest, is VERY key.

Too many people treated LSD as just an extension of beer. It’s not.

I have had a nagging feeling since my teens that Timothy Leary was just a MKUltra senior….

Oh as to why…because he said “Drop Out” instead off “Over Throw”……

A number of the GIs who were used as “guinea pigs” in the LSD experiments requested that they be allowed to participate in further tests. They valued the experience. Which goes to show I guess that good can come out of bad.

LSD’s been shown to be therapeutic for some people, although it certainly wasn’t the CIA’s intent to help these guys. Among those who tried LSD therapy in the early ’60s, before it was demonized, were (if memory serves) Rock Hudson, and Time/Life owners Henry and Claire Booth Luce (she said it saved their marriage).

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When I first did LSD in the late 1960s, every single person either knew Leary or that English madman at Berkeley that madeLSD so powerful that it was insane.

Funny that I had one allergy, penicillin After multiple injections, escaping from a Army hospital that was trying to kill me, and rufusing to go on sick call when I felt my joints and my muscles start ache when they got cold.

No problem, I wasn’t even near an area that was sprayed. Check in Google – Agent Orange + Camp Granite + QuiNhon. Then search for the II section. Yeah, I lived on a compound that had no warnings or any special bunkers that dispersed over 55, 000 gallons of agent orange, agent blue and red are still classified. Wonder if they have anything to do with my allergies, No not my government. They were going to take care of me if they destroyed me. Lying war chicken draft dodgers.

The United States Veterans Medical Administration. Bullshit, the ranking came from a pay for play scam set up. You pay, they say you are great. I have never tracked any of the bullshit back but I would up with a study by some outfit in Minnesota. I worked in one.
It should have been closed as a public nuisance.

The experiments are well documented. The government won’t give up the documents because some of the perpetrators are still alive, and some experiments are still ongoing.

But you’re wrong if you think you can change things by voting. 80% of U.S. votes are counted by computers called central tabulators that are easily hacked and completely unverifiable. And you may have forgotten Bush v. Gore 2000 where the Supreme Court said that our Constitution didn’t give us the right to have our votes counted, and stopped the vote count. The Constitution also prohibited us from voting directly for President and Vice-President, so even if everyone in the country voted for a politician who would serve the people and honor the Constitution, the political party super-delegates could give the nominations to other candidates, the Electoral College could ignore the popular vote and elect different candidates, Congress could reject the Electoral College votes and select different candidates, or the Supreme Court which has the Divine Right of Kings to issue edicts which cannot be appealed, could intervene again and install a candidate of their own choosing.

You need to spend a few years studying our Constitution and our electoral system before you can understand that voting can’t change anything in this country. I did. That’s why I advocate that no matter who the candidates or what the issues are, people boycott elections and stop voting until we get, free, fair, open, honest, verifiable elections where every vote must be counted and counted accurately, and the popular vote alone determines the outcome of all elections.

In the ’08 Presidential election, voters had a choice between a Republican pro-war, pro-bailout, anti-environment (pro-corporate) President, a Democratic pro-war, pro-bailout, anti-environment (pro-corporate) President, and some other candidates with no chance at all of winning in our two-party, winner-take-all, no proportional representation system. So even if every vote had been counted and the President not sworn into office until all the votes had been counted (not in the USA will THAT ever happen), we’d still have ended up with wars, bail-outs, and the BP oil spill.

Voting alone is not an indication of a democratic system of government. Stalin held elections and people voted, but his government wasn’t at all democratic. Unless there is a level playing field with equal access for all candidates, proportional representation, and open, verifiable election processes, votes are just a sham to make you think you have some say in which unaccountable oligarchs will rule you, when you really don’t.

You can’t get honest elections by saying, “We demand honest elections, and if we can’t have honest elections, we’ll continue to vote anyway.” The only leverage we have is to withhold our votes until and unless we get honest elections. Without the consent of the governed, no government can claim legitimacy. As long as the stupider half of Americans continue to hold their noses and vote in faith-based elections for what they hope might be the less smelly excrement, all we’ll get is shit.

In addition to drugging people and assassinating people, the CIA also rigs elections all over the world, including here at home.

I wonder, How many CIA officers were high when they bought the farm on missions and ended up on the CIA HQ Wall of Shame? Probably all.

Its even more amazing the CIA using veterans families as targets for expermentation purposes….I lost my brother to a CIA MK-ULTRA program where my brother was forced to shoot himself in the head and he did…He was ex-vietnam veteran used in a MK-Ultra mind control program….Police said my brother was studing to be a mercinary and there was foul play when they found the body…also crime scene was contaminated…NO INVESTIGATION…….And I am in the revised MK-Ultra program now…have been for over 10 years…I am highly trained….and not so nice now…..

Its even more amazing the CIA using veterans families as targets for expermentation purposes….I lost my brother to a CIA MK-ULTRA program where my brother was forced to shoot himself in the head and he did…He was ex-vietnam veteran used in a MK-Ultra mind control program….Police said my brother was studing to be a mercinary and there was foul play when they found the body…also crime scene was contaminated…NO INVESTIGATION…….And I am in the revised MK-Ultra program now…have been for over 10 years…I am highly trained….and not so nice now…..

Its even more amazing the CIA using veterans families as targets for expermentation purposes….I lost my brother to a CIA MK-ULTRA program where my brother was forced to shoot himself in the head and he did…He was ex-vietnam veteran used in a MK-Ultra mind control program….Police said my brother was studing to be a mercinary and there was foul play when they found the body…also crime scene was contaminated…NO INVESTIGATION…….And I am in the revised MK-Ultra program now…have been for over 10 years…I am highly trained….and not so nice now…..

I vote. I will continue to vote. However, I will not put a check by candidate A or candidate B. I will write in my vote.

I write “NO CONFIDENCE”

Not all states require that write-in votes be counted. You might consider checking to see if your state happens to be one that does.

But then again, most voters don’t really care if their votes are actually counted or not, as long as they’re allowed to vote. The apathy of voters never fails to astound me.

I understand your argument, however it does not hold much validity. Yes, there is voter fraud but it is not as rampant as you allude to. The very fact that incumbents are being voted out and populist politicians are being elected is proof that the system is not completely shot. That’s not to say it isn’t greatly flawed…because it is. I also support having a paper trail and despise these machines as much as you do. That is something we must be active in making happen. But to suggest not voting is absolutely absurd. Your actions put you on the side of the corrupt politicians. By not voting…these bozos are sure to get elected. Your radical thinking is not practical and hurts the patriot movement. Sure there are going to be some areas where votes are flipped to give the status-quo politician the victory, but this is why it’s important to be active in demanding a paper trail in every state and remain active in our push for accountability. The system will never be perfect, all we can do is fight on the side justice & equality and stay active and VOTE! The emergence of a 3rd Party is already on the horizon and this too will also help. Without unity in the pursuit of govt accountability we are sure to fail. You have to work within the confines of the system or the system will destroy you and your voice will be muted..which by not voting it already is. My suggestions will have results…yours will not. In fact, if you believe people will just stop voting all together…you’re living an impossible pipe dream. That will never happen because the blinded sheep that do not know better will continue to vote in their programmed political saviours who will do great damage to this country. You have zeal but it is misdirected.

I understand your argument, however it does not hold much validity. Yes, there is voter fraud but it is not as rampant as you allude to. The very fact that incumbents are being voted out and populist politicians are being elected is proof that the system is not completely shot. That’s not to say it isn’t greatly flawed…because it is. I also support having a paper trail and despise these machines as much as you do. That is something we must be active in making happen. But to suggest not voting is absolutely absurd. Your actions put you on the side of the corrupt politicians. By not voting…these bozos are sure to get elected. Your radical thinking is not practical and hurts the patriot movement. Sure there are going to be some areas where votes are flipped to give the status-quo politician the victory, but this is why it’s important to be active in demanding a paper trail in every state and remain active in our push for accountability. The system will never be perfect, all we can do is fight on the side justice & equality and stay active and VOTE! The emergence of a 3rd Party is already on the horizon and this too will also help. Without unity in the pursuit of govt accountability we are sure to fail. You have to work within the confines of the system or the system will destroy you and your voice will be muted..which by not voting it already is. My suggestions will have results…yours will not. In fact, if you believe people will just stop voting all together…you’re living an impossible pipe dream. That will never happen because the blinded sheep that do not know better will continue to vote in their programmed political saviours who will do great damage to this country. You have zeal but it is misdirected.

Yes, voter fraud is mostly mythical. But we have no way to know how much election fraud there is because more than 80% of vote tallies are unverifiable.

As for populist politicians, if you’re referring to candidates funded by multinational corporations, they are indeed popular with those corporations. When Congress has an approximately 11% approval rating, for both major parties to offer up Member of Congress as candidates cannot be considered populist.

You are incorrect in thinking that people who don’t vote for them are on the side of the corrupt politicians. It is people who DO vote for corrupt politicians who are on the side of the corrupt politicians.

“Those bozos” are sure to get elected no matter how people votes because only bozos have any chance of winning in our corrupt system. People who aren’t bozos don’t get funded by the big corporations and therefore can’t get major party nominations, and even if they can get on the ballot at all, get almost no corporate media coverage.

I’m glad that you feel that my radical thinking hurts the patriot movement. That’s what we on the left would like to do to you “patriots” on the right.

We have a two-party, winner-take-all system, so third parties cannot win. Even if an occasional candidate from a third party wins, they would have no seniority and no voting bloc in Congress, so they’d have no ability to accomplish anything within the bureaucracy that you call a government.

If the system destroys me, it destroys me, but I will continue to oppose it and will not support it by working within it.

Half the eligible voters in this country already don’t vote. Only the bottom half of the I.Q. curve is apathetic enough to vote for oligarchs who will continue to destroy our economy.

You may be correct in thinking that it is impossible to reach or reason with people that stupid, but perhaps once they no longer have jobs and homes, they may become more open in their thinking. Right now they are still blaming immigrants for taking the jobs that rich white corporate CEOs shipped overseas to find cheaper labor. But some day they may wake up and begin to understand that without support and subsidies for job outsourcing from Congress (both parties), they’d still have jobs. It may be that until they can no longer afford TV, that they will remain brainwashed, but that day may not be long in coming. I personally know several people who were unable to afford the switchover to HDTV or cable, and no longer watch TV. There is hope. ;)

Yes, voter fraud is mostly mythical. But we have no way to know how much election fraud there is because more than 80% of vote tallies are unverifiable.

As for populist politicians, if you’re referring to candidates funded by multinational corporations, they are indeed popular with those corporations. When Congress has an approximately 11% approval rating, for both major parties to offer up Member of Congress as candidates cannot be considered populist.

You are incorrect in thinking that people who don’t vote for them are on the side of the corrupt politicians. It is people who DO vote for corrupt politicians who are on the side of the corrupt politicians.

“Those bozos” are sure to get elected no matter how people votes because only bozos have any chance of winning in our corrupt system. People who aren’t bozos don’t get funded by the big corporations and therefore can’t get major party nominations, and even if they can get on the ballot at all, get almost no corporate media coverage.

I’m glad that you feel that my radical thinking hurts the patriot movement. That’s what we on the left would like to do to you “patriots” on the right.

We have a two-party, winner-take-all system, so third parties cannot win. Even if an occasional candidate from a third party wins, they would have no seniority and no voting bloc in Congress, so they’d have no ability to accomplish anything within the bureaucracy that you call a government.

If the system destroys me, it destroys me, but I will continue to oppose it and will not support it by working within it.

Half the eligible voters in this country already don’t vote. Only the bottom half of the I.Q. curve is apathetic enough to vote for oligarchs who will continue to destroy our economy.

You may be correct in thinking that it is impossible to reach or reason with people that stupid, but perhaps once they no longer have jobs and homes, they may become more open in their thinking. Right now they are still blaming immigrants for taking the jobs that rich white corporate CEOs shipped overseas to find cheaper labor. But some day they may wake up and begin to understand that without support and subsidies for job outsourcing from Congress (both parties), they’d still have jobs. It may be that until they can no longer afford TV, that they will remain brainwashed, but that day may not be long in coming. I personally know several people who were unable to afford the switchover to HDTV or cable, and no longer watch TV. There is hope. ;)

You act more like a govt shill than someone who truly cares for this country. First of all I’m not republican or even right leaning but your outrageous comments don’t even deserve comment. You need to decide whose side you are on. You’re not on a side which makes you nothing more than a distraction. I hope and pray you choose the right side and not the side of tyranny. Also, you’re negativity is offensive. Nobody wants to hear your negativity they want solutions. And honestly you offer no solutions just criticism. I’m not saying you’re a govt shill but that is exactly how a govt shill would act. They would act all crazy and defiant and then in the end suggest violence as an alternative. I’m not suggesting you support violence…but let’s make this clear…My movement is “Non-Violent” although it is an aggressive one. BTW you are not opposing the system you are emboldening it and making it stronger.

You were the one who wrote, “Your radical thinking is not practical and hurts the patriot movement.” Nobody on the left belongs to a patriot movement or would worry about hurting a patriot movement. You aren’t even familiar with the language of the left, and use the language of the right to try to make personal attacks. Your patriot movement is not on the left, it is a movement to support tyranny and smear the left. You’re the one acting on behalf of the government. I’m not going to continue to respond to you–just because you have your fellow cubical workers “like” your comments doesn’t give you any creds on the left. First learn the language, then you’d be better at astroturfing.

The sad thing is that you believe in some bogus left/right paradigm that only exists in the minds of those who do not know better. Again all your comments are wrong. I don’t work in a cubicle either and all my “likes” are legit and from people I don’t know. You would better serve this country by dropping the false left / right paradigm and stand for something that is tangible. As I stated I’m not republican or even right leaning. I’m a bona fide independent. BTW I was last registered as a Democrat but have since abandoned all parties since they all serve the same puppet masters. You should do the same. I also do not support the Tea Party either because it was hijacked by the media and turned into a republican idealogy. Fact of the matter is the Tea Party started under the Bush Administration and had progressive democrats, independants, republicans, constitutionalists, libertarians and even some anarchists. But you probably didn’t know that. Sometimes it’s better to humble yourself a little and not act you know it all. The patriot movement is not equated with the Right or Left or the Tea Party…a recent Rassmussen poll absolutely proves that without any doubt. Americans in general whether left or right want representation and want their leaders to uphold the constitution and bill of rights and to be accountable. You play right into the global elite and the flawed system you speak of by hanging religiously to a party.
But this isn’t about who is right or wrong it’s about unifying to take our country back into the hands of the people. This is something that most americans can agree on. By arrogantly attacking others who have some of the same desires you have plays right into the hands of the elite. I would think someone who is as well-educated as you would understand that.

You cited a Rasmussen poll. According to a Rasmussen poll, “only 21% say U.S. government has the consent of the governed.”

Governments hold elections to get the consent of the governed.

Elections are the only way that governments can demonstrate the consent of the governed.

Rasmussen polls only interview voters–they hang up on non-voters.

If only 21% of voters say that the U.S. government has the consent of the governed, it means that the other 79% are too ignorant to realize that when they vote, they are granting their consent to be governed by whoever wins.

Not by whoever they voted for, but by whoever wins.

By voting, they are demonstrating their faith in our electoral system, more than 80% of which is unverifiable, and consenting to be governed by candidates they cannot hold accountable during their terms of office.

The ONLY time that elected officials are supposed to represent their constituents, is during their terms of office. Before they are elected, they aren’t representatives. Once their terms are up and you can try to replace them, they aren’t representatives. They only time they are supposed to be representatives is during their terms of office. And that is the only time that our Constitution did not give citizens any way to directly hold their representatives accountable.

If you can’t hold them accountable during their terms of office, they can do whatever they want until their terms are up and you get a chance to try to replace them with somebody else who can’t be held accountable during their term of office.

In a democracy, people can vote directly on issues and budgets. Nobody can make decisions without consulting their constituents first and representing the will of their constituents. In a republic, representatives can make decisions without first consulting their constituents, but if they do not represent their constituents, their constituents can remove them from office–immediately and directly by voting. It is called a right of recall, something we do not have.

The Constitution you’re defending did not give us either a democracy or a republic. We can’t exercise our will through our representatives unless we have a way to hold them accountable DURING the time they are supposed to represent us. Afterwards is too late. Harm to the economy, lives lost, and environmental degradation cannot be undone.

You’re upholding a Constitution written by slaveholding plutocrats to ensure that there would never be a democracy or a republic in the United States–that those who had the money would rule it.

Imagine a country so tyrannical that the citizens are not even allowed to vote directly for President and Vice-President. That’s us.

Yes, we can petition our representatives. Our founders petitioned King George with no more success. Petitioning a tyrant is not the same as having power over government by being able to hold elected officials accountable.

79% of voters don’t understand that when they vote, they are granting their consent of the governed to the government they think doesn’t have their consent.

You can’t argue with stupidity like that.

The framers of the Constitution betrayed the founders who wrote the Declaration of Independence. They did not create a government where all men are equal, they created a government where some were free and some were slaves. They did not create a government that would ensure the safety and happiness of all, they created a government that would ensure the safety and happiness only of the rich. BP cannot be held accountable, the Exxon-Valdez oil spill still hasn’t been cleaned up and the victims compensated. The rich cannot be held accountable. We have a system of laws, not a system of justice. There’s a difference. Laws are written by the rich and for the rich. Justice is for everyone–for all, regardless of wealth.

Imagine a government where a king, dictator, or tyrant has supreme power and their edicts are law and cannot be appealed. Anything they do is legal. Our Supreme Court’s decisions, no matter how absurd, cannot be appealed. They have said that anything a President does is legal.

You and I don’t want the same things. I want democracy and you want continuing tyranny because either you don’t know what democracy is, or you prefer tyranny

When an unelected body like the supreme court has supreme power (the Divine Right of Kings) to make decisions that cannot be appealed (and to strike down as unconstitutional any attempts by Congress to legislate around them), you do not have a democratic form of government. You have a tyranny. It doesn’t matter if the tyrants are evil or benevolent, because you still don’t have a democracy. Would you be happy with a king as long as the king belonged to your party or movement or agreed with your agenda? Or do you prefer not to have a king?

You could be educated also if you stopped calling other people arrogant and did a little research.

This is disturbing to sat the least… That fucking country has a lot to answer for.

No offense man but you are out there and you make no sense with your double talk. I wish you the best and hope you come to your senses.

They aren’t the only ones. I’m a victim of something along the lines of social engineering, various types of testing, covert drugging, rape, slander, discreditation tactics surveillance with feedback (more recently, or maybe I just ignored them before) and something awful that gives me “sudden” tinnitus, twitching and fatigue, but mostly in certain rooms. What’s worse, they sic’d some Ericksonian NLP idiots to cyberstalk and harass constantly online. Is this part of a CIA program? Who knows. But everyone should remember that the CIA was not the only agency involved in unethical, immoral and I daresay “unAmerican” experiments and employment of illegal tactics on unwitting/unwilling citizens.

My story is also connected to the military – but it starts with ancestors in the Cuban navy, a connection through one relative who was a diplomat and another one who was well connected in certain elite scenes that were CIA infiltrated. Because other relatives have suffered something (though not as drastic as the trauma conditioning I’ve been exposed to!) I would suggest that these experiments were not limited to US soil and I don’t think I’m the first to say that.

What’s worse is that the harassers would have us join communities of mostly infiltrators and people we have nothing in common with who also claim similar types of harassment. Not only do we have to deal with an INjustice system, but we also have to wade through the muck of disinformation and those who would do further harm and discreditation to those of us who have already suffered so much. They would have us be terrorists fighting off the non existing new world order (after all this nonsense belongs to an old world order) or passive dupes. I’ll take option C which is neither.

When will those in government who KNOW that this is going on finally decide to get a backbone and expose this? This is a country at the forefront of human rights? Prove it. The Veterans’ case is important not just for the justice that would be accorded to them, but to open the door to provide justice for the rest of us.

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