Funny how these all dumbasses neglect what Madison and other Presidents and other gov’t officals used the term “seperation of church and state” before 1940. Also where did Hitler say this because the Nazi gov’t was pro-Christian to the point where they had parades where nuns did the goosestep and the military units had priests do a blessing. Plus the whole “god with us” on the belt buckles of the army. Plus the whole thing about the Nazi party coming from the Christian Socalists.

Republicans are stupid people. They want other stupid people to run government.

Hitler had a dick.

Does that mean that Urquhart is going to cut his dick off now?

They want the un-informed to vote for them.

Oh, my, the stupid just keeps coming at us. Apparently there has been a LOT of sleeping in history classes. Remedial reading 101 must have quite a waiting list. Now is certainly NOT the time to cut back education budgets.

Hitler, Himmler, Heydrich, Goebbels, Goring and Borman were all raised Catholic, under the leadership of Cardinal Pacelli, later known as Pope Pius XII. Hitler claimed that he was “born a Catholic, always been a Catholic and would die a Catholic”. It’s hard to find a member of the upper government of the Third Reich that wasn’t Catholic.

This idiot’s ideology is more in line with Hitler’s than any Liberal, Liberals who are by definition polar opposites to fascists like Hitler. There are some scary people coming out of the woodwork on the Right and I really didn’t think Right Wingers could get any scarier than they have been in recent years.

The phrase “separation of church and state” became a definitive part of Establishment Clause jurisprudence in Reynolds v. U.S. 98 U.S. 145 (1878), where the court examined Jefferson’s involvement with the amendment and concluded that his interpretation was “almost an authoritative declaration” of its meaning.

Palin-Urquhart 2012

Unfortunately, using religion is one of the most effective ways for leaders to get their way. Adolf Hitler actually used Christianity to his advantage convicing his people that God was on his side.

“The national government will maintain and defend the foundations on which the power of our nation rests. It will offer strong protection to Christianity as the very basis of our collective morality. Today Christians stand at the head of our country. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit. We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theatre, and in the press — in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of LIBERAL excess during the past years.”
– Adolph Hitler; Taken from The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1, Michael Hakeem, Ph.D. (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pp. 871-872.”

“I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator… I am fighting for the Lord’s work”
– Adolph Hitler in 1938.

“The [National Government] regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life.” — Hitler

“Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith…. We need believing people.
– Adolf Hitler, April 26, 1933

I consider the government of the U.S. as interdicted by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises . . . civil powers alone have been given to the President of the U.S. and no authority to direct the religious exercises of his constituents.
THOMAS JEFFERSON

Snoozing in Civics too.

Snoozing in Civics too.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha. They did invent god. I will give them that.

….and “uniformed”.

So he’s going for the Retard vote, which is fine, so the only question is, do we have enough Retards left in this country to get a Retard like this elected to office? If elected, I hope he serves in the Education Department. The next Retardlican generation has to come from somewhere and there’s only so much the Church can do on it’s own.

…a lot of “home schoolin” and “barnyard” fun.

Why is it, the Republicans are invoking Hitler with such zeal? I mean he was a conservative, so are they trying to draw comparisons to what they plan to do? The only thing he was liberal with was noxious gas, and that was used on the Jews. If I were a Right winger, the last name I would be invoking is Hitler. Stalin would be the second name I would not use. As they are representative of core conservative values. In fact, how many people have died due to liberal leadership? Seriously, I would like to know. I can not come up with one sinister figure in history, who was a liberal, and a killer. I’m sure there is someone out there. Or conservatives need to get off of their high horse, and quit using the words ‘evil’ and ‘liberal’ in the same sentence.

Good one.

Teabaggers aren’t just stupid, they’re fucking stupid. Are they allergic to knowledge? What defect, brought about by committing incest with roadkill, disables a teabagger to getting basic facts like the Establishment Clause? Somebody call a doctor, this guy clearly has some severe brain damage.

I think that our elected government employees should have a “ don’t ask don’t tell “ policy when it comes to religion.

These people hold education in disdain. They accept religious doctrine without context and are among the most gullible and easily manipulated around. Tell them something outrageous and they won’t investigate. They accept it as long as it supports the idea that anyone not like them is the enemy. When a country is uneducated, it falls. America is on the cliff and FOX, the GOP and Fundmentalists are pushing. (Of course, the Fundies are looking forward to the END.)

I think they are attacking, a la Rove, others with their weaknesses.

Aahahahaha! Hitler was a devout Catholic and attended Mass on a regular basis.

Somebody else who slept through history class.

You may be wrong here… It (policy) SHOULD be for when it comes to stupidity in regards to”don’t ask don’t tell”.

Yep, that’s why Hitler went after Jews, the Catholic Church, Protestant churches…it was all due to the separation of church and state. Similarly, he promoted the use of truncheons to guarantee the separation of civilians and police.

Repubs just know Hitler better, since they emulate him.

Vietnam war, Korean war, just two who were led by demo’s in charge, close to a hundred thousand American lives alone, not to mention allies….so whats your point?

I am of the sincere opinion our Founders would have made an adjustment in the frequency of having Con Gress Convene: we do not need them any more. They were correct in their initial paperwork: The ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION.

I say it is time We, the People RULE BY REFERENDUM, with a TERM-LIMITED USSC of FOUR YEARS.

ONLY REFERENDUMS APPROVED BY 26 STATES and 51% of ALL the People will come up for vote, to be held every 6 years so We, the People can give it lots of thought and time to digest, and We, the People elect the President DIRECTLY BY POPULAR VOTE, LIKE EVERY OTHER FUCKING NATION ON THE FUCKING PLANET.

Have a nice day

Its beyond belief how Delaware has dug up these wacky candidates. The 1st State is also becoming the first state of nutcases running for office. Its surreal.

Luckily for the idiot Scotsman from Delaware, Mr. Jefferson of Virginia isn’t around to ride up and kick his loud-mouthed and uncouth ass for him.

I’m available, urqufart. Wanna piece of this Virginian you Cretin? Fuck Yankees.

And there WAS NO JESUS.

Liberals: Thank God for ‘em.

baggers…. reinventing batshitcrazy

These right wing idiots value nothing regarding education. This is because they have none. I have the feeling Delaware is the new AZ. Or the new Louisiana, or TX, etc. It is difficult to keep track anymore. Common sense and reason have been hijacked by religious inbreeding and the inability to be rational.

I am sorry to be living in the US right now. I have friends in New Zealand and In England. And I get these occasional emails asking me, what the hell is going on over here? And they ask as if I am supposed to know. And all I can tell them is, “craziness.” It is as if this country is having a nervous breakdown. I am simply too embarrassed to tell them. Other country’s think we are stupid and being decimated by extremists. They are correct of course. But somehow I feel lousy just having to explain that racism and religious zealots do not speak for most of us. They are simply louder. Between that noise and these people, they seem to take up all the oxygen, leaving little for the rest of us.

They do think we are going under. The loonies rule the air waves. And all you can hear is the cacophony of the hate and lunacy that seems to blot out everything else. And of course this is what they count on. To wear us down. And often they do, and I get very tired.

The moment Adolf Hitler first heard Dizzy Gillespie sing “Salt Peanuts,” he knew he was totally fucked so he killed himself.

Shortly thereafter, jazz died.

Very few people know that story, and I thank you for bringing it to light for those in the dark.
To be fair, though, Adolph’s English was bad, and he thought Diz was saying “Soft Penis.”

so Adolf had a time machine…i knew it!…

Now there’s a creative rewrite of history! Contrary to Urquhart’s assertion, what the Nazis did was not to separate Church and State, but to use the State to co-opt, and eventually usurp, the Church. Perhaps Mr. Urquhart has never heard of the Confessing Church movement, the schismatic group of Lutherans who broke from the Lutheran Church in protest over Hitler’s Nazification of Christianity. One of that movement’s founders was Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Lutheran theologian and pastor, who was executed by the Nazis for his role in a failed assassination attempt against Hitler; another of its members was Martin Niemőller, also a Lutheran pastor and theologian, who survived the War and later penned this famous poem:

“They came first for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew.

Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up.”

The very LAST thing this group would have advocated is any kind of joining of Church and State. They had already experienced its dangers first-hand.

PS – You are nearly twice my age, sir, but I have now read all of your posts, and I can honestly state that you are my new hero.

If this guy gets anywhere then they will continue forward in their agenda to turn the U.S. into a Christian theocracy. Separation of church and state was written in the original document that our politicians like to quote all the time. But why is it that the people who behave just like Hitler the most always like to use him as much as possible in their rhetoric. I’m sorry, but Christians are a clear and present danger to not just national security but to world security as well as their own. If we do not stop them from taking over our government we WILL have WWIII, and everything that comes with it. NEVER AGAIN was the mantra, but they will be the next Hitler, and it’s going to backfire against them. Remember this Christians, in your precious bible and that book of revelation you guys love so much, YOU GUYS are the ones who get slaughtered holocaust style in that book. Did it ever occur to you that it was because of your behavior? Leave church OUT of everything in regards to our government, and it aside from murder, theft, rape, etc… the government has nothing to say on morality. They haven’t a leg to stand on in that regard and nor does ANYONE from the church. The only church people who get any respect and clout with the government are the ones that are as corrupt as a barrel of snakes. The decent preachers don’t get any clout or pull in Washington at all. Only the scum-bags with hateful rhetoric and jingoistic agendas that put them not to far off from a fatwa in and of themselves. C’mon we have Christian preachers praying for Obama to die, and I have known of MORE than a few so-called preachers who were nothing but “plate-passers” scamming for tax-free Sunday money with bizarre sexual proclivities. Let us not forget Catholics, the clear and obvious connection to various political operatives, and the fact that the Catholic Church is the biggest pedophile ring on the planet. Keep Christians and their churches as far away from Washington D.C. as possible. Quite frankly, I can’t stand the fact that politicians even have to glad-hand preachers at all on their campaign trails. I loathe the very notion of politicians even giving preachers the time of day at all. Contrary to only THEIR opinion, this is NOT a Christian country. Never was, never will be… no matter what you THINK.

Let’s see… The Constitution was ratified in, what, 1787, 1788? And Hitler made his famous church-and-state speech at the White House in 1807, I think it was. Yep, it all checks out.

Now, where is the Church Lady when she is so needed by the religious right?

What, via Diebold?

He’s gay.

What a Dweeb. An Orthodox Dweeb to boot.

Or someone whs is alsying ignoramus.

Facts don’t mean anything to these people

You can give them facts and figures until your head explodes and you won’t change a thing

It just pisses them off even more

roflmao this is hillarious…these guys are taking america down the toilet

Nice set of quotes! Take out the Hitler reference and every Faux TeaBagger today will agree with those quotes. “We need believing people.”
Scary times, then there is Monsanto!
More reasons to Legalize Hemp!

“the pendulum has swung dramatically against the Christian faith. It’s almost become a whipping boy in our society.”

Oh really? Evangelicals being huge douche-bags in public have nothing to do with that?
RIIIIIIIGHT???
ROTFL!!!

This is what passes for “Creativity” in Repubtard circles.

How was it taken out of context? It’s not like someone edited the video to show him making the statement.

we hit back. we hit better.

http://guttertruth.blogspot.com/2010/09/nazis.html

Half the crowd applauded the rewrite of history and they are tea bagger.

Since Raygun this country has slipped country has slipped completely into cloud cuckoo land.

We have that lady in Neveda, we have O’Donnel in Delaware and Urquhart in the above article. That’s just a tip of the iceberg. Don’t forget the alternative reality from the psycho ward called Fox News.

For those of you that still have an operating intellect this is my advice: Pretend to be very stupid because if you don’t the pod people aka tea baggers will point their finger at you and shrill.

Good thoughts Mark, but if the complacency in America doesn’t end soon, none of us stand a chance in hell against the corporations and elites. We all know the government is becoming increasingly authoritarian and are taking away our civil liberties as fast as they dare…

I used to quote what you quoted above, however, seeing the sorry state of our nation and our general population seemingly unable to respond to the destruction of our country in any manner whatsoever, I am now beginning to believe that the corporations and elites know they have won the power struggle without ever firing a shot. It seems “they” can come for all of us and no one will even raise a fuss.

In the last 30 years over 25 million of our best manufacturing and high tech jobs have been outsourced to other countries. How is it that just lately, when 15 million jobs were outsourced not even a tiny percentage of them were willing to hit the streets and express their outrage about the rape and plunder of our country? I’m with you Mark, but generally speaking, except for those of us that get all of our news from the Internet – the rest of the country seems to have lost any and all semblance of the will to live free or die. Hell, most of them lost everything they ever owned, and it all happened with barely a whimper…

My belief in separation of church and state will last for a thousand years.

Fair enough, I momentarily lapsed on the whole Soviet Containment thing.

“And there WAS NO JESUS.”

Sure there was, he mowed my lawn for years until sadly, he died in a bizarre gardening accident……………

I dont want anyone’s religion in my government. Simply because sooner or later, EVERYONE’S religion will be in my government and it wont be a government, it will be Iran.

This is no different that prayer in school, sooner or later you have to say everyones prayer.

Unbelievable. When will this end?

wow, you’ll stop at nothing to spread yr lies and fear mongering. christians are the ones holding this country together. yr obviously a sodomite whose BS about being “politically correct” doesn’t apply to christians. and you call christians “as corrupt as a barrel of snakes”, well you should know , yr a lying snake. the obvious ignorance in yr post is glaring. you describe christians as “praying for obama’s death. well, genius, if there are people like that, THEY AREN’T CHRISTIAN. in yr desperation to spread lies and yr fearmongering, you don’t think of the contradictory statements yr making. or maybe you do, and the stupidity yr spewing is calculated. in any event, its unacceptable. And this country WAS founded on christian values, liar, or did you not read the part of the Decalration of Independence that says “endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights”? Creator? NOT “evolver”, the myth of evolution had not overrun our country yet. you don’t even know why we have the laws we do. thou shalt not kill, bear false witness, steal…these are all laws of our land. why have them if they are not part of christian law? not all the laws were adopted nationally but to lie and deny that God was not part of the inspiration for this country, much less the laws, is to try and spread the evolution lie that “we’re all a bunch of product of random processes..”. Look at yr money “In God we trust”. when we swear oaths, we swear on the Bible because its authority is recognized. sadly, YOU and yr ilk is what is wrong with our society today. You want to think that there is no God but don’t stop to think of the alternative. If there is no God, then man sees himself as his own god and he is doomed to failure and murder because people are inherently evil. especailly one who would commit murder on an unborn child without hesitation but acts like they have some moral compass when they try to act like they dont condone murder. If you believe in the lie of “a woman’s right to choose murder”, then you are what ois wrong with humanity, much less our country.

Uhmmm….wouldn’t committing genocide based on religious affiliation be the ultimate result of NOT separating state and religion?

you are a liar. there is more documented evidence for the existence of Jesus than almost any other historical figure. in yr stupidity and blind hate, you cannot wish Jesus away. You are a dangerous lying moron. Get an education and then try and deny Jesus. evolutionists are liars.

Conflating christians with snakes is deeply insulting to snakes. Snakes don’t suffer from the disease of hatred, unlike you christians, “Butchie”.

Maybe Breitbart’s skinny prep-school boyfriend could do some creative editing to make this asshole’s comments appear reasonable.

Hitting the streets. I know what you mean. Where are the street protests from the left?
Stay tuned for the One Nation Working Together march on October 2nd in DC. Hopefully the press will even give it fair coverage.

Glen Urquhart’s statement is particularly ironic since it is liberals that wish to maintain Jefferson’s “wall of separation” between religious theocrats like Urquhart and the US government, so that no particular religion can force the public to pray to its gods.

Heil the Constitution!

I’m going to state the obvious: Hitler was and remains the very personification of right-wing extremism everywhere and anyone with a half-assed education (Sorry Butchie, obviously this excludes you) is aware of this well-established *fact*. Smearing liberals as Nazis is standard right-wing projection.

I repeat: Hitler is the inspiration for right-wing activists of the world. Just observe Arizona and Texas. Zeig Heil Jan Brewer and Don McLeroy, the anti-American douchebags that Butchie-boy the true beleiver thinks are the ones who are “holding this country together”. I use the term “thinks” loosely.

Next we will be told that Dick Cheney was actually a liberal and the Iraq war debacle was the fault of librul secularism.

Here is what bothers me. If RAW does not see that the Democrats and Republicans are the same, following the same agenda, then it is not much good coming to this site.

Piss on teabaggers! They can burn in hell with Hitler and Bin Laden!

I want to teabag sarah palin.

Just another Taliban republican teabag. Where do the right find these idiots? Having said that, our candidates are a direct reflection of the people supporting them. Very, very scary!

Yep, and you Christians abuse children. (Butch? Are you a lesbian?)

Next week: liberals invented poverty, starvation, homelessness, disease as a way to get government interference in people’s lives.

Hitler was for mandatory school prayer. Would someone interested in keeping cults out of government do that?

Hitler merged Vatican fascism with government control. He ran on anti-abortion, anti-birth control, anti-gay issues. The Vatican ordered German Catholics to vote for him. Hitler and Cardinal Montini (Paul VI) even funded Croatian Nazi PRIESTS who ran DEATH CAMPS in Yugoslavia to slaughter 1 MILLION Serb “heretics”. Hitler was never excommunicated.

Why does Urquhart hate America ?
http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/summer97/secular.html

These co opted, ignorant teabaggers hate “big government”;but they want to merge it with their religion.
The usual rightwing cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy..

Get a right wing nut case talking long enough and Hitler is bound to enter his or her spewing.

The Delaware Republican party hates America because of our freedoms.

You can view some (R)ightwing Christian family values here:
http://republicansexoffenders.com/

Revisionist history strikes again! The Right just makes up the most outlandish things, and the base eats it up. This clearly explains why they renamed Washington National Airport after Reagan, the man who broke up the air traffic controller’s union (PATCO). I also understand that they are now beginning to claim that Thomas Jefferson was a Christian Republican.

With Glenn Beck having his rally at the Washington Mall on the anniversary of the “I Have a Dream” speech, what’s next? They yell it enough times, people will believe anything.

So– trolling are you? just want to make us despair? have a nice day

“And this country WAS founded on christian values, liar, or did you not read the part of the Decalration of Independence that says ‘endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights’”

Jews, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc., all have the same creator; nowhere in the Declaration of Independence does it say “christian”.

AND– Jon Stewart’s announced march on the 30 of Oct- for Sanity!!

And, I suppose, the “good” Christians who came to the New World to escape religious prosecution were escaping from the likes of the Muslims and Jews that were running Europe at the time.

The greatest persecutions of “Christians” to occur in history was not perpetrated by heathens such as the Romans, but by the “Christian” theocracies of Europe. Our founding fathers saw first hand what the “Christian” governments in power at the time did to other “Christians.” Our founding fathers saw how the power of a theocratic government was/is used to destroy any and all other who profess even minor differences in their religious beliefs and thus gave us protection through establishing a secular government.

Think we have a problem with un-Islamic extremists — well they can’t hold a candle to the likes of the Catholics and Protestants in Great Britain. (Who, by the way, help teach them terrorism.)

this guys mouth should be washed out with soap

The stupidity of the right-wingers, the Teabaggers in particular, never ceases to amaze me.

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“Out of context” to a Tea Partier means “not subject to our hallucinations.”

I’m sorry, but your oversimplified summary of history, coupled with the gross over-generalization of the “christian’ population, reeks of prejudice and ignorance. There is very little evidence to suggest that the founding fathers held such hostilities towards ‘Christian’ governments. They did, however, think a state-sanctioned form of Christianity was a bad idea. These are different concepts all together.

Few people call for a ‘theocracy’ these days, which would involve a national cathedral, and hierarchy of clergy, and a system of government whereby the Head of State would assume some official role within the church. Many people do, however, vote with their consciences, applying their worldviews to the ballot box. Should they cease from doing this?

Why not shy away from pointless and ineffective slander and the re-writing of history and focus on facts and debate. You might get more done.

Amazing. It’s awfully convenient for them to forget that Hitler sought out, and received, an endorsement from Pope Pius XII in 1933 in order to be elected.

A translation:
Why is a Catholic obliged to vote for the parliamentary list of Adolf Hitler? Because in the National Socialist state intrinsically and through the Reichskonkordat

1. the Faith is protected,

2. peace with the Church is assured,

3. public morality is preserved,

4. Sunday is hallowed,

5. Catholic schools are maintained,

6. the Catholic conscience is no longer burdened,

7. a Catholic has equal rights before the law and in the life of the nation,

8. Catholic organisations and associations, insofar as they exclusively serve religious, charitable and cultural purposes, can operate freely.

Therefore a Catholic is obliged on 12 November [1933] to vote thus:

Referendum: yes

Parliamentary election: Adolf Hitler

Revisionist history on all sides. Hitler did, in fact, apply a form of this doctrine when he ordered the removal of Christian symbols and literature from all public schools (a few did not comply). However, to suggest he invented it, is absurd.

Unfortunately, people on all sides, Left and Right, play this game. Given that relatively few people actually study history, it works.

Really stupid people are often the most dangerous.

Religious nuttery and intelligence quotient (IQ) are inversely proportional. Not really surprising since reason and logic must be subverted in order to install faith.
Religious people on the whole, like climate change deniers, refuse to consider any stripe of evidence that might undermine their dearly held belief. This being so, their opinions on many things are highly suspect, politics among them. Religious nuts need to recognize that zealotry is the last thing we need in our nation’s leadership. If you don’t believe this, check out the Taliban.
Separation of Church and State keeps our Democratic Republic free from religious tyranny.
And if that doesn’t work, there are always those 2nd amendment remedies.

God is NEVER mentioned in the Constitution. The Creator is NEVER mentioned in the Constitution. Religion is mentioned one time only in Amendment 1 “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion” And religious qualifications are mentioned only once in Article 6 “no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office”
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

Also the Declaration of Independence outlines the reasons we went to war with England. It does not specify how our Government is defined.

OOPS! — I hit “Liked” by accident! I meant to hit “Reply”. Butch, you are a mother-killing, child-raping SATANIST. Get over yourself and your unevolved reptilian brain.

Time to separate him from discussing either… I’m sure the international intelligence community can find a place to keep this clown ‘tied up’.. for a few decades.

Do the research and read what I wrote. I never said our forefathers had any “hostilities towards ‘Christian’ governments” I said they saw what these same governments were doing and wanted to prevent a repeat of religious persecution. Our forefathers (and read their own writings and letters) knew first-hand that state sanctioned religion — regardless of which religion — was a bad idea. Our forefathers created a government to serve one purpose, and one purpose only, the “common good.” Read what they wrote, not what others claim they said and view their writing in the context of their time.

Whom do you thing the Puritan Dissents aboard the Mayflower were escaping from? It was the English (Christian) church and government. You can pick any “Christian” group you prefer that came here from Europe seeking religious freedom and the same holds true; they were escaping form X (Christian) church and government. And, if you bother looking at what they did upon arrival, it was to persecute others just as they had been persecuted. Look at their own writings. Look at the rules and regulations they created to govern themselves. They were just as bigoted as the bigots they were running from. All these first hand (as in original writings) information is readily available.

All of Europe, at the time, was a “Christian” theocracy with multiple waring factions; the one uniting factor was that rulers were anointed by and ruled through the grace of their Christian god. King James had the bible re-translated to ensure there would be no questioning of his divine right to rule. The fact that few people would call the royal governments of Europe a “theocracy” is due their poor knowledge of history and misunderstanding of what a theocracy is. Look up the definition: the belief in government by divine guidance.

As to people calling for a theocracy today — they are. What do think enshrining the 10 commandments (which ever of the 3 versions they ascribe to) as law is? What do you think calling our country a “Christian” nation is? A theocracy has no need of a national cathedral; it only needs people with power using that power to enforce what they believe their particular god demands regardless of the beliefs of others. All we need is to continue to have judges and politicians that claim that their religious beliefs supersede any sworn oath to uphold our Constitution — judges like Scalia and Thomas, politicians like Gingrich and Huckabee — and we will end up with a “Christian” nation besotted with internecine religious warfare.

what dumbshit reasoning

Hitler believed that breathing and eating are essential for life

so therefore anyone who believes in breathing and eating is a Nazi

Oh yeah convince ‘em with math!

Look at their “economic” policy! It’s clear they don’t understand basic arithmetic.

Keep it up GOP. By the time Nov comes the Dems will be picking up seats.

she’d bite them off

WTF is wrong with the people who voted for them. I know people are upset and angry, so am I! However, I don’t think going stupid is going to get the problems solved. If you vote stupid you obviously get stupid and America has too many problems now to tolerate these idiots.

Omg! Where are all these stupid people coming from?????? I really hope this guy is just saying anything to get elected, but unfortunately I think he is just dumb!!!! The republican party seems to have the corner on stupid people!! What is going on in this country that breeds such stupidity? We used to be smart, ingenius people with drive and curiosity and imagination! Think about all the inventions that have come out of this country! Think about the forthought the founding fathers had when they decided on a Democracy with separation of church and state? What the hell is going on? If the Left doesn’t come out in full force in November this is the quality of people who will be governing our Country! Uuuuuuuuhhhhhhhgggg!

Well, it isn’t just Tea Baggers.. Huckabee just compared a living, breathing, functional human being with a medical condition to a burnt down, uninhabitable (non-functional) house.

I suspect the same thing that’s broke in their brains that allows them to spew abject bullshit and honestly believe what they are saying is the same thing that is broken enough to have them dedicate their existence to their invisible sky fairy friend. Quite simply, their brains don’t properly function.

If the phrase ‘separation of Church and State’ came out of Adolph’s mouth, how does he explain the phrase ‘Got mit uns’ embossed on nazi belt buckles?

Now, don’t go ruining their made-up world with facts. You know that just makes us look elitist. :-)

Shortly after Mr. H seized power he made abortion illegal in all cases, trade unions were all abolished…..know any American political party that would like to do this? If not, you must not
be watching either of the two stations, FoxNews, FoxBusiness.

Reality check…..All the Declaration of Independence does is outline to King George the reasons we went to war with England. It says nothing about how our Government is (or will be from the point of view of the authors of the document) setup. The Constitution does that YEARS later. God is NEVER mentioned in the Constitution. The Creator is NEVER mentioned in the Constitution. Religion is mentioned one time only in Amendment 1 “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion” And religious qualifications are mentioned only once in Article 6 “no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office” That my friend is separation of church and state even if they never coined the term.
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

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So you are saying that they MUST put their editorial slant into the “news”?

man oh man you are just beyond dumb

“which would involve a national cathedral”

We already HAVE a national cathedral, it has NOTHING to do with whether or not we are a ‘theocracy’

http://www.nationalcathedral.org/

Do some research, in 1998 Newt, CNN et al were all predicting
great wins by the Republican following the 20 investigations of Clinton, Vince Foster etc….well it did not work out that (too bad
cnn’s research only goes back 48 hours) The Democrats picked up 5 new seats and the Republicans gained ZERO….and Mr.
Newt resigned and went back to home to masterbate in front of glossy photos of Ronald Reagan not to be heard from for years.

I consider that a personal attack on Ronald Reagan.

He’s not even original–the Pope said it first… Yes, I mean the current Pope, the one who used to be a Nazi (and I am not so sure about the “used to be” part).

Wow!!!!!!! As a Catholic this distresses me greatly.

sorry, dude, Christians are dividing this country, not holding it together. “Creator”? ok, fine, they were still believing in myths as they had no science then. You have inserted your “beliefs” into everything in an attempt to Talibanize this country. Yes, you are as bad as the Taliban in trying to impose your religious rule on the country. This country was instititued in SPITE of religion, not for it. You are extreme, illinformed and rely on ridiulous assumptions to fabricate your pious existence.

Uh he never did such a thing. If anything the use of Christian symbols drastically increased under the Nazi regime. There are museums full of Nazi material that has Christian symbols in it. Hitler fracking wanted a German Unified Church and for the protestants and Catholics to not fight one another but join one another. He praised Martin Luther and was compared to Jesus by Christians.

Christians have been lying about their relationship to the Nazis since the summer of 1945. Not only was the church integral to German life throughout the Third Reich, its ministers served the state throughout. All the death camps (as well as the military) were staffed with chaplains who offered spiritual comfort to the guards. Bishops, priest and ministers joined the SS in the thousands (though Bishops were thrown out in 1938 because they thought that as Bishops they should be the rulers). The state even built churches. Of course, Christians point to the fact that crucifixes and crosses were removed from public classrooms and post offices (the reason was that the protestants hated crucifixes and the Catholics refused to have crosses). But most telling is the fact that Hitler professed to be a sincere Christian (though non-denominational) to the very end. No wonder that today’s Christians find the Christian nature of the Nazis deeply embarrassing. But lying about it does not change the facts.

The biggest problem that I have is when people start carrying around their little book of the US Constitution. It reminds me way too much about Chairman Mao’s Little Red Book (which I still have a copy of but I was majoring in polsci at the time). This is most noticeable with the Teabaggers who don’t have a lick of sense or knowledge that the constitution is a LIVING document which is updated by amendments to it and by legal cases which may change the meaning of an amendment.

You might want to do more research. Hitler was in fact praised by the Catholic Church and American Christians as being a fighter against Atheism. Hitler was considered a good Catholic and ally to Christanity against the Nazis. There are tons of books documenting the alliance between Hitler and the Catholic Church. You may want to read about the death camps that were run by Fransican Friars that grossed out the Nazis because the Friars were putting people to death by tossing them into the ovens while still alive. Plus the whole killing people with knives in particular children if they didn’t convert to Catholicism.

So, Urquhart, this is why priest and ministers served as chaplains in the death camps to comfort the guards? Why bishops, priest and ministers joined the SS auxillary by the thousands? Why churches hung the Nazi flag alongside their altars? Why Christmas and Easter were officially celebrated in the Third Reich? And why HItler professed to be a sincere christian to the end? The lie that the Nazis were anti-Christian ranks alongside Holocaust denial as one of history’s most vile untruth.

Sorry that is false. There is no evidence of a historical Jesus. No historian that lived in his time mentioned him. The supposed evidence was found to be from admitted forgers.

Urquhart is an ignorant Republican. Hitler’s administration was very much involved in religion. Hitler began the process of replacing the Lutheran church with a new Reich church. The names of all new bishops had to be submitted to Hitler in advance for his approval, and this included Roman Catholic bishops. The Vatican complied and submitted the names of all prospective new bishops to the Reich for advance approval. They say they did this to preserve the independence of the Catholic Church. Had they done otherwise, Hitler would have taken over all Catholic churches and institutions in Germany. At least that’s their official excuse.

Hitler’s government was very much involved in church affairs. There was absolutely no separation of church and state in Hitler’s Germany. Hitler even named the top Lutheran bishop, “Bishop of the Reich.” http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

I am thoroughly sickened by both the ignorance and the deliberate dishonesty of Republican and Teabagger candidates and supporters.

Here is a direct quote from Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury Baptists:

“Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.” Thomas Jefferson

Anyone who cared about historical truth would take a few minutes to look it up, but these people care nothing for the truth, they make up new truth, new realities as they go along.

They must be completely rejected at the polls. Please get out there and vote and bring your family and friends.

“I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.”

~ Adolf Hitler, who, if I remember my history correctly, had something to do with Naziism.

Has this benighted, empty headed, ig’nant dummass motherfucker ever heard the phrase… “Gott Mit Uns”.
Well jag-off it was in the belt buckel of ever fuggin Nazi soldier.

Sorry, I hate to be overtly confrontational (well unles my prayers are answered and I get to meet that Bill o Reilly pud, then all bets are off) …where was I? Oh yeah… but it is hard to stay chill when you’re dealing with fuckheads who embrace willfull ignorance with a chivalric fervor.

I think you’d be hard-pressed to come up with an example of the Quakers persecuting anyone.

Concurrence on all points – the “Gott Mit Uns” phrase on the belt-buckle was a holdover from the Imperial German army, with whom Hitler, Goerring, and other top Nazis served in WWI; it summed up the religious views of the Nazi establishment as well

It seems lately that hardly a day goes by without a report of some right-wing lunatic making some absurd comparison of President Obama, Democrats, Liberals or Progressives to Hitler and the Nazis. The sad irony of it is that while they are busy making these claims, many of the same people are also actively participating in and fanning the flames of the current wave of anti-Islamic bigotry that is sweeping the nation, in a manner that is not at all unlike the marginalization of the Jews in Germany that took place between the end of WWI and Hitler’s becoming Chancellor.

While I don’t like this, I do not understand why anyone is surprised at these Theocrats.

Stupid, stupid, stupid…ya just can’t fix stupid…there is no separation between church and state. It has always been, and always will be about the money, whether you ARE church or you ARE state! When you do find Him, there is NO church or NO state, but most of you won’t…so what difference does it make?

He misses the fact that the introduction of german pagan ritual and symbolism copiously adapted to national socialist public events; -which became mandatory. And as the national socialists because an institutionalized monolithic political entity it would sort of cancel out any sense of a secularized nation state.

Just a thought.

“deep inside every conservative is a Fascist screaming to get out” ie Henry Ford, Lindburgh,
skinheads of the 1990′s now the Tea Party skinheads.

At this point the GOP and the Teabaggers will say anything that their fevered imaginations can dream up. Hitler was a Catholic, mixed with Pagan beliefs. As is Catholicism itself. Easter is named for the pagan god Oester. Christmas is celebrated around the Winter Solstice as an attempt to eclipse the Pagan celebration, and so on.

“We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls…. We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity… in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people.” Adolf Hitler

For many more see:
http://www.nobeliefs.com/speeches.htm

Good grief. Here’s a “candidate” who’s never learned how to think and reason logically. Where are the teabaggers finding this slate of know-nothings and worthless grifters?

I don’t think that opinion issued from the mouth end.

Nice work! thanks…

I find it hard to get excited about the Democrats this fall after being bitterly disappointed on single payer and/or public option as well as the complete lack of will to investigate crimes committed by the Bush Administration (outing of V Plame, lying the country into a needless and endless war, etc). However, given the consequences of letting the TeaBaggers and Repugnants take power is so distasteful that it demands our coming together to soundly defeat them. Regardless, the concept of the lesser of two evils has taken new meaning and the limitations of are two party system are more apparent now than ever.

Dear child, I have an education. There is no documented evidence whatsoever for a prophet named Jesus with any significant following at the time. The Bible that you revere (and it is your right to do so, if you wish) is the recorded history of a desert tribe (Old Testament) together with a series of writings that were not even extant at the time, but were written many, many years later by people who did not actually know this great teacher of whom you speak (New Testament). The mythology is a mishmash of legends and myths extant at the time – the Dying God who is reborn, the man who redeems his whole nation through his suffering, and so forth. I’ve studied the Bible and a lot of other things, as well. Perhaps you should do the same.

To whom are you replying? Also, the problem with your argument is, those who call themselves Christian but do all these things of which you disapprove? They consider themselves just as Christian as you do. Besides, you don’t get to disavow the deeds of your coreligionists, especially when you and your ilk are screaming your heads off about the “mosque at Ground Zero” which is neither a mosque nor at Ground Zero. You want to hold every single Muslim in the world responsible for an act of terrorism committed by 19 men whose only connection to these people was their religion. Well, I guess you’ll have to accept the acts of the Tim McVeighs of this world, then.

Ultimately I agree, but the “other” evil is pretty f’n bad.

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I guess a lot of that weight Huckabee lost wasn’t just in his gut.

Dude, this is high school stuff this guy is getting wrong. Either he is a massive moron or a revisionist historian. Either way I hope to god this guy isn’t elected.

Years ago I would’ve been surprised that any candidate for office, even a conservative, would say such a thing. Now I’m only surprised that it took him this long to say it.

well, given you are deeply disappointed…lets let the nation go
to the neo-fascists…to teach Obama a lesson.

Another historically challenged Republican. The idea originated in the early 1800s, which a long time before Hitler was born. According to Sean Wilentz in his 2005 tome, “The Rise of American Democracy” which I would advise any historically minded person to read carefully. The term was first used if my memory serves me rightly in the sense that we use it today in about 1824.

Teach Obama a lesson?

Your an idiot!

Don’t forget Reagan too

Thank God that part of history is over!!!!

I want to join a religion that believes it is an act of grace to kick
the ass of Newt Gingrich, Sean Hannity, and Rush Limbaugh.

It’s a good start, but there is far more and lots happening in the present, too.

OK, you want to argue for the containment of communism, well we can sit here
and argue the containment of radical nutjobs…

Quakers came to the “New World” to evangelize not to escape persecution.

This explains why Hitler’s army, the wehrmacht, wore belt buckles reading, “Gott Mitt Uns,” or, “God is with us.”

No current reslugliklan could pass 11th-grade US History. They’d try to shout down the final exam and call it librul, and then get on amhateradio and be whiny victims.

The right have all become theofascists, the opposite of christians.

He’s just another reslugliklan pathological liar. Teagaggers not only choose to believe only lies, they work hard at it, and demand “leaders” who feed their ravenous appetite for lies.

They’ve had their own history, science, Constitution and Bible for decades. Now they have their own “truth” at conservativetruth.org. And, boy, is it a doozy.

Thanks for the link, you’re right, the site is a real doozy, a treasure trove of conservative truthiness.

Goodness, we are being overwhelmed with STUPID ASS SCHOLERS, was it mandated before George Bushkie left office, that each Repulsive-CON member must take a class in stupid 101 in his “no books required” Library, and SMU approved it? Next we will be hearing the forefathers wore the long wigs to hide all the Nazis TATOOS on their skinheads, another Frank Luntz, a freelancer with CHEAP LIPS selling crap to these primates from BABOONS-R-US Unique GradSchool. (uni meaning one,Nique(fr) meaning horse). Anyone who has their own crayolas and prove they came from an American corporation,made in China, have already met their intrance requirements. Just bring lots of $$$, to donate for Cheney’s new undisclosed locations. (pl)

whoa, this country is in deeply serious denile about why we are where we are … what has hitler got to do with corporate personhood, the war on the working class, the patriot act, corporate control of both political parties and our elections, corporate welfare, lobbyists, unfunded tax cuts to the richest,endless wars and occupation, military commissions act, crumbling and exploding infrastructure, failing, closing and crumbling schools, exploding prison populations for use of a herb, and the militant, over reactionary, swat-nature of local law enforcement? that’s enough for now …

Not while you are still loose …

Wow! Is everyone in office or running for office on some kind of drugs? Or is the quickly fading religious right grasping at straws as every year they lose hold of followers. 50 more years and Christianity will be dead.

E.g., Baal (Semite), Dionysus (Greek), Osiris (Egyptian), and many others.

dip …

Excellent resource! Thank you for providing this link.

As “freedumb” provides above http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/gop-candidate-hitler-church-state/#comment-78834383 (go Like their comment!*):

http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/summer97/secular.html
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*I do not know freedumb. I just think it’s a good link and great resource for this debate, and should be acknowledged.

Doesn’t bother me. Know who else has ALWAYS carries his Pocket Constitution?
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Dennis Kucinich.

Bob, nice try but it won’t fly. Our founders created and bestowed upon us THE greatest document in the world through all of time. Your interpretation of Jefferson’s words,”…make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” is simple to understand, but you have twisted the message to fit your agenda, making a mockery of our founders.

God is the final authority and will have the final say. Men shall come and go, but God is eternal. His law is the only one which matters. The LEFT demands rights, but our rights come from God. We are a Christian nation, and we are free to worship as we please. Hindus, Jews, Christians…all are welcome here. The danger comes when fringe groups, such as gay rights organizations, begin demanding equal treatment in a society where we are all created equal.

Our ancestors left England because of a tyrannical king to forge a new path where they could FREELY practice their religious beliefs. Reread Jefferson’s quote and think about it before making it something that it is not.

Oh, wah wah wah! We did get everything we wanted, exactly the way we wanted it. *sniffle*

Look, we got a good start on a lot of things. Take the insurance: it’s going to evolve into single-payer because of the way it’s set up, it’s just a bit stealthy and will take time. Yeah, time. Sorry, dear, you can’t have it all right away. The wheels of bureaucracy, and government, turn slowly. But if you’ll just hang on and give it a chance….

P.S. In other words, 2 years is nothing in a prez term, so don’t let the mf-ers take over 1/2-way through! Don’t sit it out in November.

Most of the Founders were Deists, you ignorant whack job. The very first ever treaty between the United States and a foreign nation was the Treaty of Tripoli which stated emphatically that the United States IS NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION. And try looking into the Jeffersonian Bible. Odd that a so-called Christian would rewrite the Bible taking out all the superstitious claptrap, like the part about Jesus being the son of God.

I know history and facts are tough on you christers, but at least try not to embarrass yourself.

Wouldn’t you rather bag a sentient animal ???

That is an absolute lie, or do you even know what a deist is? All but 3 or 4 of our founding fathers were devout Christians, several were ministers of the Gospel. Quit drinking the Koolaid and read some real history, not the politically correct garbage that is pounded into your feeble minds at the liberal colleges and schools in our country.

People have been attacking Christianity, and Christ forever, and guess what, we’re still alive and strong! Maybe one day you’ll become a believer yourself. It’s wonderful. God is so good!

You could make an argument that many of the Founding Fathers were agnostic if not atheists. Otherwise I think there would be a chapel at Mt Vernon or Monticello and I’ve never heard of one.

I know what a deist is and it isn’t a Christian. Perhaps you need to educate yourself on the religious beliefs of the Founders. I notice no dispute about the Treaty of Tripoli, which passed Congress unanimously with no debate or dispute. It included the phrase in Article 11 “As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion”. I don’t think that’s debatable.

I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved — the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!
– John Adams

The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.
– Thomas Jefferson

I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies.
– Benjamin Franklin

“Sir, Washington was a Deist.”
– The Reverend Doctor James Abercrombie, rector of the church Washington had attended with his wife, to The Reverend Bird Wilson, an Episcopal minister in Albany, New York, upon Wilson’s having inquired of Abercrombie regarding Washington’s religious beliefs

All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
– Thomas Paine

Christians have been killing in the name of Jesus, God, saints ,etc since the religion began…as Jews have…as Muslims have…notice a pattern here?…ya’ll believe that “when” everyone subscribes to your ideology, everything will be butterflies and rainbows…and it is going to happen soon!!!…and yours is the only true religion!…religion is the greatest, longest survived con…ever…

Exactly how, while shoveling millions of taxpayer dollars into the health insurance companies to make them even richer and more powerful, will they evolve into single-payer?

Actually mate a deist believes in a creator of the universe, there is no god or particular religion even mentioned in your constitution let alone Christian one. Jesus isn’t even mentioned. Watch this and get your facts straight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJNsWN-QGW8

It’s called the “Dunning Kruger Effect,” basically, stupid people are too stupid to know they’re stupid.

I was just telling myself, ok, Butch is entitled to his opinion, even if in his exaggerated emotional way, he says, “there is more documented evidence for the existence of Jesus than almost any other historical figure.” Really? How about the existence of George Washington or Vladimir Lenin? Are they not at least as well, if not better documented?

But ok, I was willing to let that go and move on to the next post when you just had to make that ignorant remark about evolution – which, by the way, has nothing to do with the question of whether Jesus existed.

Here’s the problem, as I see it. All you’ve ever learned is what to think, never how to think, how to do your own research and critical thinking. For me, it’s like listening to someone sing who’s learned all the notes, but never learned the tune.

On April 20, 1939, Archbishop Orsenigo celebrated Hitler’s birthday. The celebrations, initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) became a tradition. Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send “warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany” and added with “fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars.”

Hitler only got sweet with the church as a means to help him rise to power. This is all bullshit.

by all means i feel god has no place in how humans govern themselves. in the end times when we die, depending on whatever you believe in, christianity, islam, budhism, or whatever, that is when he holds the most say. I am personally a pantheist (dont believe in a supernatural god that would bother in involving himself in our every day lives, yet interpret god as more of a personification of nature, the universe, and laws that govern it). I have not given up the belief in a god, just define it differently than others would. but the sheer fact of the matter is that religion of any type, be it pantheism, christianity, deism, atheism, or any other kind of religion cannot and should not hold the power to determine the outcome of the government for everyone else simply based on what you believe. Government was created to represent the people, not to represent any kind of interest group, and if you believe that there is only one way to ascend into what some would define as heaven, then by far you are underestimating the power of your own god.

Once again, Butch, you contradict yourself. As you correctly note, the Declaration of Independence says “Creator,” not “Jesus.” How does that confirm your fact-free theory that America was founded on Christian principles? The Creator, after all, belongs to all religions, or at least all the monotheistic ones.

…I wonder if this idiot has even heard of the Concordat between the Vatican and the Nazi party ?

Searing oaths on the Bible is optional, not mandatory. Did you ever actually READ the Constitution? It offers another option, to “affirm” rather than “swear” on the Bible. Pres. Harding, I believe, was the only president to be sworn in without a Bible, just with his “affirmation.” And the only Muslim member of Congress, Keith Ellison of Michigan, swore his oath on the Koran, not the Christian or Jewish bibles.

You also seem to accuse atheists of a propensity to murder because of some mystification you believe in that they make themselves God if they don’t believe in your God. Where’s your evidence that atheists commit more murders than believers of any kind, or even Christians in particular? I thought not.

Watch what you say dogg, for In my many yrs. in law enforcement, ALL who have been sentenced to death somehow when put under the pressure of death seem to find God, cannot explain it, but I would hate to die suddenly and come to find out The Man was there waiting and I was not ready, if you believe science then you believe it all happened accidentally, like finding a winning lotto ticket, or you must acknowledge that all good things come from some kind of creation, not in a puddle of mud.

Yea, thats why they coined our currency, “In God we trust”, those damn non- believers, what were they thinking….

Actually, James Madison wrote the first amendment.

It’s funny because all these non believers and so called Americans defend the muslim religion readily and they forget that the radicals under Islam killed three thousand innocent Americans in NY, and talk all this hate of Christianity but the idiots try to defend a religion that sprouted up in another region of the world and we are at war with….go figure…liberalism. Also they won’t dare say a word about sharia law when it comes to stoning women for so called dis honor crimes, what a cause, can’t wait till they get thrown out along with their weak Pres. come November.

If all complicated things require a creator, then the argument must follow that God needs a creator. And so on, ad infinitum.

You can’t use a logical argument and apply it inconsistently in order to make your point. You should have grown out of that by age 10 or 11.

No way, look at the polls, more people believe, more than half of our country believe in God.
America’s Founding Fathers Believed in the Christian Church as part of Everyday Life.

It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians, not on religions but on the gospel of Jesus Christ!

John Quincy Adams

The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: that it connected in one indissoluble bond civil government with the principles of Christianity.

Noah Webster

The moral principles and precepts contained in the Scriptures ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws. All the miseries and evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery, and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible.

George Washington

It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible…. No people can be bound to acknowledge and adore the invisible hand which conducts the affairs of men more than the people of the United States. Every step by which they haveadvanced to the character of an independent nation seems to have been distinguished by some token of providential agency … We ought to be no less persuaded that the propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which Heaven itself has ordained.

John Adams

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. So great is my veneration of the Bible that the earlier my children begin to read it, the more confident will be my hope that they will prove useful citizens of their country and respectful members of society.

Thomas Jefferson

The Bible is the cornerstone of liberty. A student’s perusal of the sacred volume will make him a better citizen, a better father, a better husband.

Abraham Lincoln

The Bible is the best gift God has ever given to man . . . But for it we could not know right from wrong.

It is the duty of nations, as well as of men, to own their dependence upon the overruling power of God and to recognize the sublime truth announced in the Holy Scriptures and proven by all history, that those nations only are blessed whose God is the Lord.

The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next.

Andrew Jackson

The Bible is the rock on which our Republic rests.

Ulysses S. Grant

Hold fast to the Bible as the sheet anchor of your liberties; write its precepts in your hearts and practice them in your lives. To the influence of this book we are indebted for all the progress made in true civilization and to this we must look as our guide in the future.

Benjamin Franklin

A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know the price of the rights which God has given them, cannot be enslaved.

Thomas Jefferson

I tremble for my country when I consider that God is just and his justice cannot sleep forever.

“ALL”!…you will definitely have to come up with a extremity credible citation for that one… regardless, all you guys say that as long as you say you’re sorry , it’s all good with sky faerie…even it you have bee the most evil, vile, meatsack that ever walked the earth …besides…they have had that pumped in their heads since they were born, and in the situation they’re in, what do they have to lose?…and besides it gives them something to do and a false sense of hope (which is better than no hope at all ,granted)… everything evolved from something and there is a lot more proof of that than the existence of “god” or Jesus…

Sorry, which god? Oh that’s right: I forget one of the multiple mental defects that Christers have is that any mention of the word “god” always makes them assume it’s the Christian one.

Hitler was a nutjob, who utilized religion to further his agenda and the idiots believed a mere mortal man.

We’re at war with a religion? Since when?

By the way, do you support the banning of Christian churches being built within so many blocks of clinics that have been bombed by Christians? Also, I would mention that a number of Muslims were killed in the 9/11 attacks. Maybe you should go get a shovel and dig them up to keep the ground there “hallowed”.

no..from the US treasury…
“The motto IN GOD WE TRUST was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the Civil War.”….thats what they were thinking!…

You mean the currency such as paper that had those words inserted in the 1950s? Coins it only started showing up on the penny after the Civil War. Also Christians opposed the measure since it cheapened the motto or was a blasmephy to put it on something associated with Mammon.

The teabaggers have spoken!

Have you ever seen a picture of a nineteenth-century american coin? Search Google Images. Tell me what you find. Then, try “wheatback penny.”

Amazing, isn’t it? God isn’t mentioned on any of those coins. So, why is “In God We Trust” on coins now? It’s there for the same reason the words “under God” are in the Pledge of Allegiance; it was added to differentiate us from the godless Communists.

Have you ever seen a picture of a nineteenth-century american coin? Search Google Images. Tell me what you find. Then, try “wheatback penny.”

Amazing, isn’t it? God isn’t mentioned on any of those coins. So, why is “In God We Trust” on coins now? It’s there for the same reason the words “under God” are in the Pledge of Allegiance; it was added to differentiate us from the godless Communists.

Hmmm, why didn’t you list all the references to Christianity and Jesus Christ from the actual Constitution?

Please elaborate your version of creation, for if you have ever read the
bible, it explains the universe and the fact that the earth is round and
suspended, way before your atheist scientists discovered it.

God fearing men wrote it, they just wrote it in order for it to benefit all religions who worshiped Christ, not a one religion, but on many.

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It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians, not on religions but on the gospel of Jesus Christ!

John Quincy Adams
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Notice no referance. Pretty much all of of your quotes are known fakes or are misquotes.

Encourage free schools and resolve that not one dollar appropriated for their support shall be appropriated to the support of any sectarian schools. Resolve that neither the state nor nation, nor both combined, shall support institutions of learning other than those sufficient to afford every child growing up in the land of opportunity of a good common school education, unmixed with sectarian, pagan, or atheistical dogmas. Leave the matter of religion to the family altar, the church and the private school supported entirely by private contributions. Keep the church and state forever separate.
– Ulysses S Grant, address to the Army of the Tennessee, Des Moines, Iowa, September 25, 1875

My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change them.
– Abraham Lincoln, to Judge J S Wakefield

There was the strangest combination of church influence against me. Baker is a Campbellite; and therefore, as I suppose with few exceptions, got all of that Church. My wife had some relations in the Presbyterian churches, and some in the Episcopal churches; and therefore, wherever it would tell, I was set down as either one or the other, while it was everywhere contended that no Christian ought to vote for me because I belonged to no Church, and was suspected of being a Deist and had talked of fighting a duel.
– Abraham Lincoln, letter to Martin M Morris (March 26, 1843)

Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one-half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.
– Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia

My aim in that was, to justify the character of Jesus against the fictions of his pseudo-followers, which have exposed him to the inference of being an impostor. For if we could believe that he really countenanced the follies, the falsehoods and the charlatanisms which his biographers father on him, and admit the misconstructions, interpolations and theorizations of the fathers of the early, and fanatics of the latter ages, the conclusion would be irresistible by every sound mind, that he was an impostor. I give no credit to their falsifications of his actions and doctrines, and to rescue his character, the postulate in my letter asked only what is granted in reading every other historian…. That Jesus did not mean to impose himself on mankind as the son of God, physically speaking, I have been convinced by the writings of men more learned than myself in that lore.
– Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, August 4, 1820

There is in the clergy of all Christian denominations a time-serving, cringing, subservient morality, as wide from the spirit of the gospel as it is from the intrepid assertion and vindication of truth.
– John Quincy Adams, diary entry for May 27, 1838

”
Noah Webster”

Not a founding father.

Sorry, Charlie, but American Christians are increasing, more than half the country believes in God, sorry you missed out growing up with no God, but you still can believe…

Show me the proof for evolution, oh that’s right, you believe you came from an ape, like I said before, the last time I saw an ape at the zoo, it was flinging sh!t at people, just like you enjoy doing in here..lol.

Good Heavens. These teabaggers all spout the craziest and most unintelligent bullshit imaginable — and on a daily basis, too. Yet for me, the scariest part is the growing numbers of Americans who are dimwitted enough to take all of this crazy ‘n’ stupid shit seriously.

Good catch, sir. Your research skills are superior to mine this evening.

The earth is “suspended?” From where?

The earth is “suspended?” From where?

“the last time I saw an ape at the zoo, it was flinging sh!t at people, just like you enjoy doing in here”…good one!… spell-check capitalized jeebus for me… XD…anyway…if you read any news paper, there have been many discovery’s as of late…here are just a few:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/05/19/2009-05-19_missing_link_found_fossil_of_47_millionyearold_primate_sheds_light_on_.html

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/05/090519-missing-link-found.html

http://www.livescience.com/health/top10_missinglinks-1.html

Again, I ask you for all the references to the worship of Christ in the Constitution. Surely the God-fearing men who wrote the Constitution would have included the 10 commandments as part of the supreme law of the United States.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+26%3A7&version=NIV If you look in the bible it also speaks of the world being round, way before Columbus or science had figured it out, and that was thousands of yrs. ago.

Why would they even consider it, when God has given you free will to live out your life as you wish, kind of the way the constitution is based.

do you think the earth is only 6000 years old and humans are the only “intelligent ” life in the universe…cya tomorrow , bible thumper…

Ok, the first one looks like a dead dog, the second looks like to dead spider monkeys and the other national geo are just paintings? where is the proof? look at bats, why is there no fossils for bats and also insects? where is the noted fossilization for either? what did the first scorpions look like? or the first spiders? common ape boy, show me the money!

He spreads out the northern skies over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing….. Job 26 verse 7

I’m not concerned about people like Dennis Kucinich. And, I carry a pocket calculator. The point that I was trying to make was that if you give a bunch of uneducated people a little book that only lists only the acts of the US Constitution without any of the case law and SCOTUS interpretations of said constitution. I think Dennis would agree with me – I’m from that state that brought senators like Paul Wellstone and Al Franken. I’m also pretty knowledgeable about how to decertify and screw with unions and their little contract books which also don’t include the supporting decisions of arbitration. I am a very strong supporter of unions because I always felt that if a company got a union, they probably deserved it because of poor managment decisions.

It all goes back to God being the ultimate authority for all, regardless on how you and I may think one should be judged, that is not for us mere mortal men to question or make assumptions, just as long as you..dogg, worry about yourself and getting to meet your creator, do not judge, for if you had that much power and intelligence as God does, then you could question or even challenge him, but for now you will have to wait till you die to meet him. By the way, I am not a bible thumper, I just happen to believe, does that make me such a bad person?

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A complete lie. Hitler often claimed to be a follower of Jesus, whom he considered a warrior against Jews like himself. Under the Nazi Ministry of Church Affairs he coopted many ministers, both Protestant and Catholic, to hand swastikas from their alters and preach Nazi doctrine from the pulpit. In fact, Hitler united Church and State: to coopt religion in the service of militarism is one of the signs of Fascism.

What a dick. These are the kind of crackpots responsible for implementation of the the electorial college.

This guy is a turd in the punch bowl.

The Tea Baggers are ALL nuts – but what’s even scarier is a good portion of America agrees with them. Shows you just how stupid the average American is. Ignorance in all its glory. And people wonder why some of us think the US is doomed.

Hate to disappoint you. I’m an atheist will always be an atheist. Had a close call with death a few years ago. Guess what? Still an atheist.

Christians always go on about “no atheists in fox holes” but it’s not true. Just another Christian lie.

Ummmm no, they’re not. Christianity in the US is actually shrinking and other religions and atheism are growing.

You crack me up though. Further up you said you weren’t a “bible basher” and then proceeded to write about 800 posts about why Christianity (and you!) are correct.

Looks like you have little life, I would say. The rest of us actually HAVE lives that don’t revolve around selling Christianity, LOL. On that note, I’m off to do some work. Waaay more interesting than reading your hundreds of posts about your version of Christianity. Yawn.

you are a lost cause. good thing for you someone else is going to save your oh-so-holy @ss, doesn’t sound like you are ready to do that on your own

old wives tales told around the evening fire to calm the nerves of children and men who have no science

Hmm, he seems pretty middle-of-the-road for Tea Partiers.

Oh, for CHRISTSAKE!!!! Darwin was right! Now, I have discovered an even greater scientific phenomenon – it is called DEvolution. That is what the human race is doing, devolving. Just when we learned to use our brains, we started going backwards. We are all just going to get stupider, and stupider, and stupider, and stupider. I feel it, already. Oh, wait, I’m good – I just turned off the TV.

Luckily, not that good a portion. It’s in the low 20s, which is bad enough, but there is a huge ignorance factor in that.

He doesn’t recall the German slogan, “Gott mit uns” {“God is with us”].

There is always hope. Corporations for all their power and clout still rely on customers. They also rely on the good will of peer corporations. Many a revolution has fallen to squabbling among the victors. They are not invincible, not by a long shot.

“It’s almost become a whipping boy in our society.”

Mr. Urquhart, if the shoe fits.

Any time ANYONE appoints him or herself to be the master of my personal life, they DESERVE being a whipping boy.

Let’s make this easy. Here you go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_religious_views

And this:

http://www.threeworldwars.com/world-war-2/adolf-hitler.htm

And this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Society

Hitler may have may have conspired with Church leaders, but to suggest he was a follower of Christ is just silly.

“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. …Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross.”

- Adolf Hitler, speech on April 12, 1922

You don’t read too carefully. I never said or suggested he was a follower of Christ. I said he claimed to be, a manipulated ‘Christianity’ for his purposes – just as right-wingers like Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich do in our country today. ‘When fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag and wearing a cross.’ – Sinclair Lewis, 1935

“The Bible: a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalise mankind.”

“The Christian system of religion is an outrage on common sense.”

“What is it the New Testament teaches us? To believe that the Almighty committed debauchery with a woman engaged to be married; and the belief of this debauchery is called faith.”

“It is from the Bible that man has learned cruelty, rapine and murder; for the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man.”

– Thomas Paine

Urquhart almost sounds like “Shrek’s” Lord Farquart. A bizarre little man with strange vain ideals. The T party gets curiouser and curiouser…

I read so many passages from AH refering to Christ, God and such to see he was a devout “follower”. Even after he was almost blown up in the one bombing attempt, his first ppublic speech referred extensively to how “God” saved him. And his brokered pact with the Vatican to kill Jews in for his leaving Catholic priests alone. Too many referecneces to his alignment with religion.

I got some bad news for you… Hitler drank milk. So next time you see someone drinking milk, ask them “why are you a nazi?”

Somebody ought to tell this candidate about Godwin’s Law, pronto. Also explain to her the Straw Man Argument is a logical fallacy.

Love it! In my combating christnazis in the Prop 8 Marriage equality battle, I brought out dozzens of quotes from the founding fathers, Lincoln, Susan B Anthony and others to quell any staunch religious nuts’ arguments. The ONE frustrating passage was the original phrasing on the Bill of rights regarding religion and that to paraphrase, ” The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship….” originally in the first draft of the 1st Amendment.
I have these quotes readily on hand for future religious battles :-)

Religion: the Bain of civilization.
I’ll become a high energy life form of the 23rd Dimension when I transcend this current portion of my life continuum. :-) You can sit on your clouds and play your silly little harps.

Sorry, guy, already you have your evolution concepts screwed up. Man did NOT come from an ape. Sorry, he came from his own lineage PARALLEL with the ‘APES’, the DNA and fossil records say so. Ontogony recapitulates phylogeny. Look at a human embryo as it develops. It passes through ALL the phyla before becoming a human, from. essentially, single cell, to blastocoele (colonial cells) to sponge, early vertebrates to fish amphibian and on up to tailed vertebrates to hominid. No instant man. We are ALL animals until we become “human”. Meanwhile, show us PROOF of your “god”. Not just from those MANMADE written story books.

Sorry DUDE! There are lots of fossil records of bats. And as far as early hominids, SORRRRY! No tails. In fact they have skulls and teeth very much like Homo sapiens. And far as fossil insects, we have millions! In fossil amber and in rock. They even recovered DNA from them. You are ignorant of Paleontogy so don’t even try going there. The first Scorpionids were over 6 FEET LONG and dragon flies (fossils too) were over 2 feet across over 400 million (MILLION) – 400,000,000 years ago. Ever seen a Trilobite?? course not, but they were “insects” I have one in my own collection over 8 inches long.The HORSE SHOE CRAB is a descendant of those. The Natilus, came from over 400 million years ago and we have fossils of those. Humans go back 3.5 million years as HUMANS not “apes”.
Now, SHOW us proof even your christ existed. Solid proof. Where’s the cross??? We have tons of Roman artifacts and things going back 20,000 years made by man, where’s the CROSS?? Or, Noah’s ARK??? It’s only suposed to be 4,000 years ago. We can find Tut’s remains and things going back 20,000 years. Where’s that huge ARK??

Where is “North”? In space, there IS no “north”. “Suspend” means gravity. Earth and all celestial bodies are not “suspended” as in space there is no one gravitational origin. And if Christies so “knew” this then WHY did the church fight Galileo and Copernicus over their theories about the solar system???. Colpaw is right. In all my studies of over 4.5 BILLION years of life, I’ve never seen examples of reverse evloution until christians came along.

I STILL like “E pluribus, Unum”. Darn fool Christians…

So we stone to death, people who dine at” Red Lobster” for not eating finned fish, or for wearing cotton-polyester blends??? Look at the Treaty of Tripol,i it says “As the government of the United States of America is NOT in any sense founded on the Christian Religion…” THAT is pretty plainly and simply said…..(Signed by Pres John Adams) You Christians have American Histroy all screwed up.

I defend NO religon. They’re ALL screwed up, just some more than others. And re: 9/11, more evedence shows someone” inside” destroyed it with demolition. You are blind as the proverbial BAT of which there is a big fossil record.

Which had a significant portion deleted which refers to taking rights of citizens based on religious belief. They should have kept that part in there.

Praise the inventor of diseases and earthquakes.

Sorry “belief” is shrinking. you’re losing your grip on sane minds.

ಠ_ಠ

Finally! You agree the framers of the Constitution knew “free will” meant every American should choose their own religion. Therefore, they wrote the Constitution/Government to be neutral, not choosing one religion over another, or as we say now, secular.

And this is why religion and politics should always be separated from one another. I want someone who will do the right thing for everyone, and not fueled by Christian morals. Does it not say in your scripture to not judge another, that it is your God’s job to do so? I also like how religious people impose their belief and opinion on others. Also, Christianity is society’s whipping boy? Sorry, but your clergy brought that upon the religion with the pedophilia scandal.

It’s easy to displace blame and vote against a person trying to good for everyone and not just a specific group by singling the opposite party runner out due to their party affiliation. I’m sure you will end up attacking the 2nd Amendment as well and tearing this country apart for your own agenda.

Delaware, the place where brains are optional.

good luck getting any votes from the NRA. they will not want to be associated with someone who brings up the Nazi label against those who do not want religion deciding laws

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hitler was catholic.

You did not feel anything when you died because your heart is a void….sorry to tell you this.

Ah yea Leo, that may well be the case, but man is an animal, human animal, created by God, including the utilization of DNA, which was used to animate flesh and cells etc., We are made in the same fashion by our creator to a certain extent, look at mammals, they produce milk and are warm blooded like us, but thats where the similarities end, for we have the capacity to reason and make intelligent choices based on reasoning, that sets us apart, for we were endowed by our creator the power of free will and if you choose not to believe, that is your creator’s wishful endowment to you, I personally don’t believe we evolved from an ape, for ape’s do not have the capacity to shed tears for a fallen chum, or the ability to create beautiful music, or works of art, furthermore if you want to say that they are capable of utilizing tools like us, well I can also tell you that birds also are keen to using tools to extract insects from tree’s, does that mean that they are somehow close to rational thinking as us? I would disagree, Man is the only being with such attributes and he was created in God’s image, meaning that he does not reflect what God looks like, but what God envisioned for to make for such a profound and compelling being that man is.

Lol, well the other half voted for Obama…lol, so what should we call them?

YES , there are insects found in amber, but they are whole and complete as they are today! I would like to see the EVOLUTION of the insects, what were they before they were insects, just like you believe we were all monkeying around before and have all the monkey bones to prove it, where are the evolutionary proofs for insects and spiders? And for that matter where is the proof for the first bats? and also where are all the whale descendant’s fossils? as gigantic as they are, there should be many, yet they say the very first whales looked like dogs?? Hello Helen…lol

Never said I was” oh so holy”, leatherface, just trying to get an insight on the atheist mind, which takes some courage when I and maybe a couple of others are willing to take on many non believers who are no doubt going to insult our intelligence in a liberal website.

Psychotic.

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He said: “I didn’t mean to suggest — and I am not suggesting — that people who are liberals are Nazis”.
Um, yes you did: “…So the next time your liberal friends talk about the separation of Church and State ask them why they’re Nazis…”

What the difference? Mincing words? BS, this guy is nuts.

Your crazy! inside job! are you freaking serious, now I know your batty, turn off the TV if your going to believe all the hype about 9/11 they are trying to sell books and TV time while they degrade and get rich of you believers think Micheal Moore….he made a million bucks of American and God haters like you.

That’s an ignorant statement, even renowned scientists and physicists have admitted to thinking there may be some “Grand Design” in the way the universe looks, Stephen Hawking for example. It is religion that has a problem with science, not the other way around. Mostly because science DISPROVES religious interpretation, and gives ancient perspectives modern insight due to new discoveries from science. Science does not = it all happened accidentally. Science = proof vs blind faith. Educate yourself, you may find yourself free.

Here is a link to Hawking’s book on Grand Design. True or not…? The same can be said for the bible.
http://www.suite101.com/content/the-grand-design—the-universe-of-hawking–mlodinow-reviewed-a284146

That’s good poetry. That’s all it is though.

That’s good poetry. That’s all it is though.

*claps* Well done! it’s rare you get one of these neo-con brainwashed types to completely contradict himself, let alone prove himself incorrect via arguement. Not sure he get’s it though. He is still convinced he’s making sense and his facts are true.

Serious guys, turn off Fox news. It’s lying to you, smart people understand that.

The History Channel airs a documentary claiming that Hitler actually thought he *was* Christ, identified himself in Nostradamus’ writings, and was sent to eradicate the jew’s for not doing what god sent them to do. A follower no. An Anti, quite possibly.

Its sad that we don’t recognize that type of insanity until after millions die. Human kind has learned no lesson from Germany’s history, and unfortunately it looks like it’s happening here in the States all over again.

Actually I was referring to the condemned, I should not have stated that All search and find God at their last few days of life, but most do, according to other fellow officers as well, who have worked at deathrow, will state that they usually turn to God after living a wretched life of indulgement and deceit.

Actually I was referring to the condemned, I should not have stated that All search and find God at their last few days of life, but most do, according to other fellow officers as well, who have worked at deathrow, will state that they usually turn to God after living a wretched life of indulgement and deceit.

Actually I was referring to the condemned, I should not have stated that All search and find God at their last few days of life, but most do, according to other fellow officers as well, who have worked at deathrow, will state that they usually turn to God after living a wretched life of indulgement and deceit.

Actually I was referring to the condemned, I should not have stated that All search and find God at their last few days of life, but most do, according to other fellow officers as well, who have worked at deathrow, will state that they usually turn to God after living a wretched life of indulgement and deceit.

They still have not explained in full, how the “big bang’, occurred, or how you can get everything in the universe from absolutely nothing at all!

No dice! dude I meant free will from God to live as you wish, with his blessing and the worship of him, free will to choose him, or be an atheist, this men wrote the constitution to be free and to worship as we please, but they still believed in God as I stated earlier in their quotes. Never said the Constitution was written for religious purposes, merely in support of choice.

Ah yea Jacques, that may well be the case, but man is an animal, human animal, created by God, including the utilization of DNA, which was used to animate flesh and cells etc., We are made in the same fashion by our creator to a certain extent, look at mammals, they produce milk and are warm blooded like us, but thats where the similarities end, for we have the capacity to reason and make intelligent choices based on reasoning, that sets us apart, for we were endowed by our creator the power of free will and if you choose not to believe, that is your creator’s wishful endowment to you, I personally don’t believe we evolved from an ape, for ape’s do not have the capacity to shed tears for a fallen chum, or the ability to create beautiful music, or works of art, furthermore if you want to say that they are capable of utilizing tools like us, well I can also tell you that birds also are keen to using tools to extract insects from tree’s, does that mean that they are somehow close to rational thinking as us? I would disagree, Man is the only being with such attributes and he was created in God’s image, meaning that he does not reflect what God looks like, but what God envisioned for to make for such a profound and compelling being that man is.

No dice! dude I meant free will from God to live as you wish, with his blessing and the worship of him, free will to choose him, or be an atheist, these men wrote the constitution to be free and to worship as we please, but they still believed in God as I stated earlier in their quotes. Never said the Constitution was written for religious purposes, merely in support of choice

Yea, have a nice day, …but at least I got your attention cuz you read them all ..lol as long as you keep responding, I know you are listening, believe me it’s been fun picking the atheist brain, I find it very fascinating..didn’t know that many existed till I stumbled upon this site, but got to admit I have had my share of defending God on here, and will not do so, can’t win over so many atheists…May God Bless You All.

If you are going to respond to my posts, at least look at the links I include. But, that would require some effort, while hate and over-generalization is easy.

From the information available, Hitler was inconsistent and vague about his beliefs. There is a strong argument that he believed more in ‘propaganda’ than in any eternal truth. That said, what Hitler believed isn’t really that relevant. If you want to discredit Christianity, which seems to be the goal, go to the source (the scriptures) and discredit them.

Good luck with that.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_religious_views

“Adolf Hitler’s religious views have been a matter of dispute, in part because of apparently inconsistent statements made by Hitler, and those attributed to him. The relationship between Nazism and religion was complex and shifting over the period of the Nazi Party’s existence and during its years in power.”

“Something of Hitler’s religious beliefs can be gathered from his public and private statements; however, they present a conflicting picture of a man who is somewhat spiritual and yet against organized religion. Some private statements attributed to him remain disputed or unsourced. His public and written statements however can be interpreted as propaganda.”

“Historian Joachim Fest wrote, “Hitler knew, through the constant invocation of the God the Lord (German: Herrgott) or of providence (German: Vorsehung), to make the impression of a godly way of thought.”[8] He used his “ability to simulate, even to potentially critical Church leaders, an image of a leader keen to uphold and protect Christianity,” according to biographer Ian Kershaw. ”

“…However Hitler’s own words from Mein Kampf seem to conflict with the idea that his antisemitism was religiously motivated. From childhood onward, Hitler seems to have continued to reject antisemitism or anti-Judaism based on religious arguments like the deicide claim…”

“Derek Hastings sees Hitler’s commitment to Christianity as more tenuous. He considers it “eminently plausible” that Hitler was a believing Catholic as late as his trial in 1924, but writes that “there is little doubt that Hitler was a staunch opponent of Christianity throughout the duration of the Third Reich.” [18]“

No matter how many times you post the same comments, they will still be gibberish.

So. Jefferson, Adams and that gang were nazi’s and the United States Constitution is Nazi Propaganda?

Ok, get over it, I did, I’m done with this subject, you can only beat a dead mule for so long….laters.

Thats like blaming all of atheist murders in prison on atheism, if you think about it, that makes a man more culpable to committing murder and rape, if you don’t have a higher power to answer to, then it’s dam free for all! Kinda like liberalism….lol.

Nope, they were American law Abiding people, not loons, the ground stays hallowed with them included, Sorry Charlie.

Thank you for making my point.

Apparently.

Good judges of character?

People who saved America from the economic meltdown that would have happened under McCain/Palin?

I am a tea partier and I am embarrassed by these people from Delaware and it is scary to see them spout this crap. The economic crisis would have happened no matter who was in as you point out.

However, the US economy has not been saved and what they are doing in DC is not saving us now. Republicrats are thieves and stealing for Goldman Sachs.

I SAY: MY FEELING AS A CHRISTIAN POINTS ME TO MY LORD AND SAVIOUR AS A FIGHTER. IT POINTS ME TO THE MAN WHO ONCE IN LONELINESS, SURROUNDED ONLY BY A FEW FOLLOWERS, RECOGNIZED THESE JEWS FOR WHAT THEY WERE AND SUMMONED MEN TO THE FIGHT AGAINST THEM AND WHO, GOD’S TRUTH! WAS GREATEST NOT AS SUFFERER BUT AS FIGHTER. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and of adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before – the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. And as a man I have the duty to see to it that human society does not suffer the same catastrophic collapse as did the civilization of the ancient world some two thousand years ago – a civilization which was driven to its ruin through this same Jewish people.

- Hitler, Munich, April 12th, 1922

I believe palmharbor was being facetious.

The economy may not be totally saved, but there is a virtual consensus among the nation’s leading economists that President Obama’s policies, including the much-derided stimulus package, did, in fact, stabilize the economy and headed of another Great Depression.

The economy may not be totally saved, but there is a virtual consensus among the nation’s leading economists that President Obama’s policies, including the much-derided stimulus package, did, in fact, stabilize the economy and headed of another Great Depression.

They invoke Hitler over and over again in order to distract the public from America’s very own Republican-fueled brownshirt movement in the form of anti-Islamic hysteria.

Well I suppose Obama and his clan have done nothing to help spiral us down further? Granted the man has tried but has failed miserably, his voting base is now turning against him, we need solutions, not talk and hype.

Praise Satan? For if you read the scriptures, it clearly states, we also live in the devil’s paradise…

The scriptures cannot be taken seriously as a source. As for satan…no, the man above:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKtuk0ZpnbY

Same thing when Jesus was supposedly down here on earth, he healed some cripples, but since his father is big boss he could have applied that health service to everyone on earth. But choose not to, which meant and will mean horrible suffering here on earth.

Big Brother is not great.

I meant that the earth is satan’s domain, as far as God will allow, when Eve and Adam ate from the tree of knowledge is when things started to go well for satan or lucifer, whatever you wish to call him.

“Textual Criticism” & Manuscript Attestation

Work, When Written, Earliest Copy, Time Span, No. of copies.

Herodotus| 488-424BC| A.D. 900| 1,300yrs|. 8|

Thucydides| c 450-400 B.C. | A.D.900| 1,300yrs.| 8|

And yet, no classical scholar would deny their authenticity!

when written| earliest copy | Time span| No. copy

Tacitus A.D.100 1100 1,000yrs. 20

Ceasar’s Gallic War- 58-50 B.C. A.D. 900 950 9-10

Livy’s Roman History-56B.C.-A.D. 17 A.D.900 900 20

New Testament A.D. 40-100 A.D. 130 full
manuscripts A.D. 350 300 5,000Greek+
10,000Latin
9,300others

When you compare the evidence, it’s easy to see historians, whether Christian or secular, agree that the texts of the New testament stand absolutely and irreproachably alone amongst ancient prose writings, are in fact! authentic.
although this website did not allow me to print this as it should be, it should be read as WORK, WHEN WRITTEN, EARLIEST COPY, TIMESPAN, NO OF COPIES.

Well, goodbye, then! Don’t let the door hit ya’ …

Strictly speaking, trilobites are not insects (they don’t have 6 legs) but they are arthropods. Is that what you meant?

markpkessinger is either:
a) a useful idiot OR
b) a paid poster from MoveOn.org

“there is a virtual consensus…”

This phrase is used with stale regularity to explain everything from Climate Gate to Obamanomics.

Thomas Woods – predicted the market crash, disagrees
Peter Schiff – predicted the market crash, disagrees
Thomas Sowell – predicted the market crash, disagrees

There’s a few economists who knew what would happen, said how and why in books and articles published years before, and they disagree with you. The “virtual consensus” got it wrong about the housing bubble.

Google – Peter Schiff was right
Google – thomas woods great depression of 1920

Simply put, you’re embarrassing yourself by chuggin’ on Obama’s ^&*(

This coming from the Liberal Hippy douchebag whose brain is fried from drugs. Funny thing is people like you created the Bohemian revolution which made Hitler a viable alternative.

Spoken like a true Liberal Fascist.

A virtual consensus among former goldman sachs board members and the
‘economists’ who got us into this mess. The people that actually predicted
this like Paul Joseph Stiglitz, nobel prize winner, think the worse is still
to come

That’s right!

Hitler copied his whole political agenda from earlier nazi’s like Thomas Jefferson and George Washington.

Didn’t you know?

If you take the time (10)mins. to read Deuteronomy 28 (Holy Bible), all the verses, you will find what is stated there, is what is happening to the U.S. Now.

Humans are TERRIBLE at predicting and that includes those who wrote the bible.

Amen! brother. I have try to explain all this in earlier posts, but these folks are so full of themselves and hate God and Christians, and blame all that is wrong with America on Jesus believers, if you check out Deuteronomy 28(holy bible) it states exactly what is going on in this country and why.

The Christian bible, (American religion) states that God is Jesus, and Jesus is God.

Hitler,Hitler, Hitler, this is America! you liberals wish it would happen here, just to prove your idiotic points, you all would be willing to suck Hitler’s big toe, just to make your point, it will never be Germany here! The USA will NEVER be a fascists state, so get OVER IT! For Christ’s sake….bunch of scared sissy’s.

Come on, just read and see what you think.

Actually, maybe there would have been total human destruction period, if not for some religion to soothe, the war like apes…..no?

I’m not into fiction…sorry

“just learning to use our brains”, you ape theorists believe we have been here for millions of years, and you have only begun to use your brains? So how did the apes ever get by? In such a hectic world.

When was the last time you attended a stoning? And I’m not talking weed here, who have “we”, stoned lately? and where? City hall, at the local lions club? Oh wait, was it at the VFW?

When was the last time you attended a waterboarding? How about a series of cages where Iraqi taxi drivers are hung by their handcuffs from the top of the cage — behind their backs — because warlords were promised $4800 for every “al-Qaeda” they turned in?

We’re pretty primitive even yet, but we did recently (in geological time) learn, now that you mention it, that the earth is not the center of the universe, a realization that Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake for proclaiming by the “Holy Office of the Inquisition”, the most religious people in the world at the time. They of course were protecting their voodoo racket by which they had the world in thrall.

Galileo sensibly renounced his belief in a “world that moves”, and survived to spend his remaining days in house arrest. He had the brains not to use his brains — at least not publicly.

Christianity is not the American religion. There is no American religion. Read the First Amendment to the Constitution, and the Treaty of Tripoli, which congress passed unanimously. It state unambiguously that the U.S. was in no way founded upon the Christian religion. Many of the country’s founders, including Jefferson and Tom Paine, were deists, not Christians. In no way did they mean Jesus when they wrote “Creator” in the Declaration of Independence. Get used to the facts and stop dwelling in your delusional prejudices.

Look here primate, I honestly don’t know if you are an American or not, but
if we are going to help save American solders lives by water boarding to
extract viable info against and I say, ONLY against an enemy, why not? have
you ever served in the military? Have you seen the videos of people’s heads
being sliced off with a dull sword? Come on man! war is never good for any
side, but if you are an American you should at least try to be on our side,
if we had done absolutely nothing about 9/11, do you honestly think they
would not have hit us again at some future point? liberals….I just can’t
figure you all out, it’s like you all are from another galaxy.

That may well be the case, but why do we have chaplains and other religious
figures in the military? if Christianity was not it? when this country was
founded it was founded in a belief in a creator! read the declaration!, and
get off the weed, military men have always turned to GOD in times of
tribulation, from the civil war to freaking Afghanistan! so get the hell
over it you atheist, non believer, this country will ALWAYS be Christian in
the majority and there’s absolutely nothing you and your rhetoric will be
able to do to change it, CONSERVATISM ALL THE WAY TIILL DEATH DO US PART!

I’m proud to say I never gave myself to the war machine. I did everything I could to get out of the draft in 1969, but it was only luck that I failed the physical in January of that year. But we all knew that the Vietnam war was bogus. Now it has all come out: the Gulf of Tonkin “incident” was a fraud. The guest of honor (North Vietnamese PT boats) never showed up. Read In Love and War: The Story of a Family’s Ordeal and Sacrifice During the Vietnam Years by Adm. James Stockdale for his account as squadron leader that night. Four million Vietnamese killed, their ground poisoned with dioxin such that 40 years later it’s still 400 times the safe level, birth defects still off the chart. Not to mention almost 60,000 US conscripts killed.

Given a choice between history and mythology you always choose mythology, chordshot. I dare you to study the facts. Tell me this: Do you know what Operation Gladio was? Watch these BBC pieces to find out: Part 1: The Ringmasters, Part 2 The Puppeteers, Part 3: The Foot Soldiers. In 1990, the PM of Italy admitted the existence of this secret NATO army but tried to hide the fact that it committed bombings all over Europe and blamed them on Leftist groups including the Red Brigades in Italy and the Baader-Meinhof Gang in Germany. Finally the truth came out, but deadheads like you still manage to avoid it.

The truth is, as Gordon Duff over at Veterans Today has declared, “virtually all terrorism is False Flag”, ie., acts of terror committed by one group, usually a nation-state, to be blamed on another group, either another nation or a sect or movement, or frequently on non-existent groups.

I suggest you begin to educate yourself about the real world and leave the mythology for diversion on your days off.

As a former Christian yourself, you should at least be sympathetic to my and
others beliefs, I do not frolic in the waters of mythology, my beliefs are
ideal and have helped me live a life of humility and merit, If not for my
beliefs in God and the fact that there will be consequences to our actions I
and many others would probably be living a life of debauchery and
selfishness. Due of my belief in God and humanity, I do help others as best
as I can, I donate directly from my hard earned money to various charities,
I am not a wealthy man, but I do my best to help fellow man and that is
attributed to my belief in God. So please save your expletives for a more
deserving character, as far as the war is concerned, we do not have control
over what goes on in Washington even though we think we do. I can’t imagine
that every conflict America has been in was to further a few leaders agendas
as some would lead us to believe. 9/11 inside Job? come on man! libs are
really starting to freak me out, could it be fear stemming from a possible
loss of the congress come November? and are “creating’ false media attention
towards the repugs? After all , they were in charge when all hell broke
lose. But if it ever does come out with irrefutable undeniable evidence that
this was an inside job, it will be a travesty and an unforgivable scar
perpetrated on this country and the party that attributed to this heinous
act should be shamed till eternity for the selfish act committed to our
people. Furthermore, Vietnam and Korean conflicts were started by demos to
thwart the spread of communism which seemed like action deserving of merit
,so maybe they can at least be held accountable for the Tonkin incident
which you speak of and all the lives lost, war is hell and never a positive
alternative to diplomacy. I have to admit that I am not as schooled in
history as I would like, but I am trying to study more of our history so
that I can make more informed statements and indulge in intelligent
conversation, by just coming to this site I have learned alot about our
history and our leaders. Joe

A very sincere and genuine post on your part. I accept your assessment as a reasonable one, given what you currently know. A few points:

“Furthermore, Vietnam and Korean conflicts were started by demos to thwart the spread of communism which seemed like action deserving of merit.”

The Korean War was fought under Truman, a Democrat, but I have not thoroughly studied it, so I will withold comment. As to Vietnam, I am part way through JFK and the Unspeakable : Why He Died and Why It Matters, by James Douglass, a book receiving highest plaudits by readers, scholars and other JFK authors. In that book it becomes clear that Kennedy was actively seeking a way out of that war, which had not really gotten off the ground during his lifetime. He made the mistake of taking Dean Rusk’s advice and appointing his former adversary in the Massachusetts congressional race, Henry Cabot Lodge, instead of an old friend, Edmund Gullion. This fateful mistake took the power of the presidency away from JFK, because Lodge missed no opportunity to disobey, oppose and sabotage Kennedy’s purposes, most notably in the effort to preserve the regime of Ngo Dinh Diem, who had expressed a desire to see the Americans leave. If he makes a formal request for this, Kennedy decided, that will give me an excuse to pull our troops out. I will quote here from an article at Consortium News:

Originally, Kennedy had appointed Frederick Nolting to be Ambassador to Vietnam. When Nolting asked to be released in 1963, Kennedy turned to an old friend, Edmund Gullion, who had warned Kennedy in 1951 that it would be folly to follow in France’s path in Vietnam.

Gullion, with his less belligerent approach to foreign policy, found himself at odds with Secretary of State Dean Rusk, whom Kennedy had appointed as a gesture to Cold War hardliners within the Democratic Party. Rusk opposed Gullion’s appointment to Saigon.

Read the rest of the above linked article to see how Lodge steered the situation away from Kennedy’s wise intentions, and straight into war. When Kennedy was murdered, the war was on — Johnson, not a Democrat, but a Southern Democrat (there is a difference in many though not all cases — especially in those days before the Southern Strategy of Nixon used race to entice all the old Dixiecrats into the GOP) declared to Lodge the day Kennedy died, “I am not going to lose Vietnam. I am not going to be the President who saw Southeast Asia go the way China went.”

Second point:

” 9/11 inside Job? come on man! libs are really starting to freak me out, could it be fear stemming from a possible loss of the congress come November? and are ‘creating’ false media attention towards the repugs? After all, they were in charge when all hell broke loose.”

Are you saying this is the first you’ve heard of the 911 Truth movement, as if it were new for the election? It started on 9/11/01! The first book on the subject, of which I have a copy, was Thierry Meyssan’s L’Effroyable Imposture, centering primarily on the absurdity of the Pentagon strike, with a hole in the wall (early on, before the upper wall fell in) vastly too small for a jumbo jet to pass through. Of course, the defenders of the official story, true to form, do what Arlen Specter did for the “magic bullet” that supposedly made seven wounds in two people, JFK and Connally, before being “found” on the gurney in pristine condition. Kind of like that passport that was “found” on the sidewalk below the twin towers on 9/11, belonging to supposed hijacker Satam al Suqam. Curious that the passport survived intact while the supposedly indestructible black boxes were “destroyed” (although several firefighters claimed to have seen them).

As I was saying, the defenders of the official story claim the wings folded back like they were on hinges and slipped ever so gracefully into that small hole — the tail section too, not to mention the 12 ton 9 foot engines, which would have been outside the diameter of that hole.

The real question is, how big a tall tale are you prepared to swallow, given decades of False Flags one after another?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlfEdJNn15E

Quit lying, you are NOT a tea partier, you are a liberal trying to promote your voting base by putting the other side down with false support of the right. No dice dude!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlfEdJNn15E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlfEdJNn15E

Send me a link on bat intermediate fossilization and who discovered them and where and I will respect your opinion. Yes I,ve seen trilobites, I read a book called “creation vs darwinism”, and if you can find it, read it, it truly makes alot of sense from a non scientist point of view.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlfEdJNn15E

Look moron, I’m actually working in an anti-tax ballot initiative right now
(Question 3 in ma) and I’ve been protesting government spending since 2005
when Bush screwed everything up and well before the tea party name was
created.

So you are accusing me of supporting the right in order to fire up the left?
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