Let’s see: The right will destroy everything I believe in if they gain control.

How could anyone not vote for the Dems in November? Wake up. The repubs want exactly what is going on. Don’t play into their hands.

The

Change We Can Believe In; and hippie punching as a bonus. *sigh*

What a great idea – keep alienating your base and then wonder why they don’t want to vote for you. Then when they don’t vote for you – blame them for all your problems. In the meantime, they continue to maintain the war agenda and failed policies of the previous administration but it’s our fault when we can’t ignore all this and don’t want to support four more years of Bush-lite.

I think everyone who voted democratic in 2008 will in 2010, give or take some independents, from everyone I talk to anyways. But it’s much more of a “lesser of two evils” vibe than it was in 2008, agreed? People won’t stay away from the polls in droves, I’d bet voter turnout will be close. Just no one I know will be skipping enthusiastically to the voting booth.

So this one-term piece of shit President ASSHOLE is going to blame the LEFT for the loss of seats in Congress and in local races? That’s what an ASSHOLE for a leader does.

You want to see the reason for the loss of those seats? Look in the mirror MOTHERFUCKER!

The President should start enumerating what exactly he has done for the liberal/progressive cause. That would dispel the the stay-at-home threats. This list has been long awaited and much anticipated among many of us who do not work for financial institutions or corporations or advocate spending millions on wars of aggression and futile occupation. The President does not seem to be one of us and needs to correct this perception.

Or be so inclined to tell everyone who they voted for.

Pretty sad day in this country when people have to be embarrassed about who they vote for because the candidate just sucks less than the alternative.

Can’t imagine out of the millions of people there are in this country we can’t find ONE single person who will tell the truth and stick to the promises they make.

Maybe somebody ought to try to go back to inspiring the electorate as their source of power …..as opposed to whoring with the corporate lobbyists

If you hadn’t FUCKED over your base, we would be there for you and your cowardcrats!

Let’s recap, shall we?

In 2006, we gave Dems both houses of Congress, ostensibly to stop the illegal war in Iraq. All we heard was whining about not having enough votes in the Senate, and that impeachment was off the table from the House.

So despite the foreshadowing of your incompetence, we gave them supermajorities in both houses of Congress and the White House in 2008.

And just for starters, despite this overwhelming control, and despite the support of 60% to 75% of Americans and two-thirds of physicians, they couldn’t get a public health insurance option passed. Obama spent not one thin dime of political capital on it, save holding a rally in Ohio to strong arm Dennis Kucinich into voting for the stripped down bill. Stock prices of health insurers skyrocketed at the prospect of 35 million new taxpayer subsidized conscripts with no measures to control costs save some feckless “panel.”

Then to the banks. The core of reform was to end “too big to fail.” But Obama, who employed the very architects of this deregulation-enabled collapse as his advisers, only used his muscle to make sure derivative trading provisions were eliminated from the bill. Again, stock prices of the banks soared.

Yeah, he finally withdrew some troops on the Bush schedule, but he escalated a fool’s errand in Afghanistan. Dems failed to repeal tax cuts for the wealthy, failed to remove incentives in the tax code to ship jobs overseas, failed to close Gitmo, continue to render and torture and illegally wiretap us… the list is endless.

Obama takes his base for granted, but fires Shirley Sherrod on the mere thought she might be a topic for Glenn Beck, just one example of many in a pattern of capitulating to the wacky right by poking his loyal constituents right in the eye.

He started this Presidency reminding us that it wasn’t the end, but just the beginning, and implored us to stay involved. Now that we’re doing that, we’re insulted as apathetic or worse because we’re merely calling him on his malfeasance.

Mr. President, permit me to disabuse you of any comfort you might take that this upcoming ass-kicking is due to apathy. It’s not. We’ve had it with excuses.

As adults, sometimes we have to realize we need to make short-term sacrifices for long-term benefits.

Therefore, I am about sending the message that if Democrats won’t work for us, they will not work at all.

This is the only way we stand a chance to take our party back. If we continue to reward them for taking us for granted, there is nothing but big money that will influence their actions.

If sending that message requires we suffer from more Republican misgovernance, so be it — we need to hit rock bottom to wake up the electorate anyhow.

Don’t you peasants get it? The plan is exactly to push the Democratic Party’s base into NOT VOTING this Fall. This brief moment of Democratic Party Hope is nothing but crowd control.

You are being managed. The landowners have always managed the peasants who outnumber them and have pitchforks. Obama is a one-term device to mollify the progressives and people of color during this critical transition to corporate oligarchic globalization. There is only one party–the Capitalist Party. The inconsequential oppostion between the progressive and conservative branches of this party is pure management.

That’s the ticket…let’s knowingly make a bad problem much worse. Because WE didn’t get everything we wanted, we take our ball and go home? Putting rethugs in power will make you feel better? If this is the way “progressives” are then they should rename themselves to spoiled “regressives.”

Vote 3rd party then and don’t be a battered wife for one side of the same coin

I totally disagree. This is not a message election. You will rue the day you gave it back to the repubs. Think of the next 2 years!! The repubs are planning on impeaching Obama.

Get real. I’m sorry, but you seem to think we have time to send a message. We don’t.

You will rue the day you gave it back to the repubs. Do you understand what that means?

We have a good beginning. Did we get everything we want? No. Do the Dems in DC need to fight harder? You bet.

But does your disappointment mean you take your marbles and go home?

Only if you don’t realize what is going on. You play right into the repub game plan.

His Majesty the Messiah has a message for his base, those who put him in power, all the professional leftists who donated-contributed time & money “to make it possible”, “stop whining, buck it up”, ” vote for me or else….”. This arrogant asshole apparently has a problem with “you the people” holding him accountable. In his own perverted definition of democracy, you Liberals have no choice, you either vote for him, & if you don’t, the Republican mushroom cloud is around the corner….Reminds me of George Bush Junior, same arrogance, the same incapacity at admitting his own mistakes & short comings, but Obama is doing something that even Bush never did. blaming his own base & treating them like dogs. Obama believes he deserves to be elected, regardless of the shitty job he has accomplished. It is not about you or the fate of your country, but it is about him. These professional prostitutes are holding you hostage to the 2 parties system, but you have a choice. Whatever you decide to do, is up to you, but you have to start somewhere.

Yes, we did not get everything we wanted, just the way we wanted it. No, the administration didn’t go after BushCo for war crimes and other violations of the law. What we have gotten is more progressive legislation through in the last two years than we have seen in the last thirty. Yes, it’s not perfect. Yes, it needs work. FDRs stab at Social Security was not perfect when it was passed, either. It took more work and more legislation to make it into the successful program it now is.

The challenges Obama inherited were bigge and more complex than any other incoming US President before, except maybe FDR. The hurdles are high and the path is full of roadblocks. There is much work to be done yet. While I do agree that Obama has abused his base a bit, I also agree that people like you are whiners who expect instant results. Success is only gained through a long series of small changes that add up to big ones. It takes patience and determination, something this current generation seems to be woefully short of.

We did not get ANYTHING we wanted. You bought hook, line, and sinker his rhetorical nonsense like I did. The difference between you and I is I won’t tow the party line. Politics is local. I have a good congressman in my district so I will vote for him, but if he we had one of those blue dogs, well I have better things to do with my time then voting for a Republican Lite candidate.

What a whiner. Does your mommy still clean up after you every day?

We didn’t get anything we wanted, we got Bush’s third term with a smiliey face on it

Look. Be disappointed, but don’t give it back to the repubs. Until the Dems have a real powerful majority, the game sucks. That’s how repubs view it. A nasty game they are winning because of media control. I am amazed at how much was done in the last 2 years with the media going against us 24/7.

Never forget that the reason FDR was able to get so much done was because he had a 70% + majority in both the House and Senate. You read that right.

So get out there and think of Boner and McConnell being in charge. (puking sound heard here)

Re: “Liberals have, since early last year, been irritated with what they perceive as the White House and Democrats’ tendency to prioritize bipartisanship over results and to fold quickly on tough battles.”

EXACTLY. It doesn’t mean we hate him, it doesn’t mean we’re not carrying the water, it means we’re IRRITATED / ANNOYED / UPSET / PISS OFF / whatever, but not that we’re abandoning everything so that the crazies run wild like a bunch of zombies in a cheap horror flick.

The WH needs to sit down and STFU on this issue, that, or maybe the zombies do need to run wild in the streets . . . then we can run around with idiotic signs like “miss us yet”

Annoyed. Very annoyed. But voting nonetheless

And FDR had 70% + majorities in the House and Senate!

Wow. Slow clap for an almost complete thought. You must be proud. Address the issue instead of whining about whining.

Go to the right, that’s where you belong.

You still make a lot of sense, Soldier…::) I like what you say & how you say it. I know you are a real toughie.How do I know that?, you are a voice of moderation as opposed to a voice of “passion”. Men who possess self confidence don’t have anything to prove.

Se don’t have time to re-cap. Do you or don’t you want Boner and McConnel in charge?

Here’s what they will bring: Government shut downs, endless investigations, stall stall stall in the senate even more, and finally they want to impeach Obama.

No, we don’t have time to play this game of sending a message. Get real.

Lets see…. A half assed financial reform bill that does nothing, DADT, domestic spying, cutting a deal with big pharma taking the Public Option of the table, continuing 2 illegal wars, etc. and we’re irresponsible? We suck less that’s a hell of a rallying cry. Obama may be right but he needs to work on his delivery.

Another waterboy for Obama.

Just think Boner and McConnel in charge. Yea, that’s the way to get even.

Don’t listen to the negative folks here. They are not real progressives.

FDR did more in 100 days than Obama would do in 100 years. FDR shuttered the banks and told them they could reopen when they met his standard of solvency. Obama invited the bankers to the White House for dinner. FDR chartered the TVA, the CCC and the forerunner to the WPA in his first 100 days. Obama proposed tax cuts and more tax cuts and wants to keep the Bush tax cuts for all but the wealtiest 3%. Do you think people earning $5,000 per week need a tax cut? Do you agree that families making a quarter of a million dollars per year need a tax cut? It will only cost the treasury $2.2 trillion dollars over ten years!

Do you know how many tax cuts FDR passed out in his first term? Zero,zip nada,

“Plenty is at our doorstep, but a generous use of it languishes in the very sight of the supply. Primarily this is because the rulers of the exchange of mankind’s goods have failed, through their own stubbornness and their own incompetence, have admitted their failure, and abdicated. Practices of the unscrupulous money changers stand indicted in the court of public opinion, rejected by the hearts and minds of men.

True they have tried, but their efforts have been cast in the pattern of an outworn tradition. Faced by failure of credit they have proposed only the lending of more money. Stripped of the lure of profit by which to induce our people to follow their false leadership, they have resorted to exhortations, pleading tearfully for restored confidence. They know only the rules of a generation of self-seekers. They have no vision, and when there is no vision the people perish.
Franklin Delano Roosevelt

All the gripes are legitimate, I agree, but it comes down to 2 choices in November:

1. Vote for Dems (not blue dogs) and you have a chance at progress
2. Vote for Repukes and you have the criminally insane ruining everything and making things worse

That’s the bottom line at the point that you decide to vote or stay home. I read something on another thread, it said:

“Vote Democrat: We Suck Less”

True, and the only logical choice. Repukes win when good people do nothing, that’s how Bush got in to power. There were tons of apathy in that time.

These undead tea baggers are far worse. If a vote is all you got, use it, and the choice is simple.

Do you know why?

“Closely associated with this first objective is the problem of keeping the home-owner and the farm-owner where he is, without being dispossessed through the foreclosure of his mortgage. His relationship to the great banks of Chicago and New York is pretty remote. The two billion dollar fund which President Hoover and the Congress have put at the disposal of the big banks, the railroads and the corporations of the Nation is not for him.

His is a relationship to his little local bank or local loan company. It is a sad fact that even though the local lender in many cases does not want to evict the farmer or home-owner by foreclosure proceedings, he is forced to do so in order to keep his bank or company solvent. Here should be an objective of Government itself, to provide at least as much assistance to the little fellow as it is now giving to the large banks and corporations. That is another example of building from the bottom up.” FDR campaign speech 1932

You must be the funny character in your family?.. Right or left….Lol, funny rhetoric. How the fuck do you know I am from the left anyway?…Lol

I sure know exactly where you belong, on your knees,live a slave. dominated by fear & incapacity of taking responsibility for your life. You love being told what to do, and you love having someone telling you how to feel.

There is a reason why politicians have no respect whatsoever for the people they are supposed to serve, most of you have no dignity & no courage, they are abusing you and you keep on asking for more….

I am retired 25 years service Naval Officer. You can’t believe how dissapointed I am. Especially where it concerns our current theaters of war; yep, we are at way, still, Hard to believe. I want it over because I don’t want to see any more of the young kids like these that I knew, served with, and looked after in harm’s way. So please, vote for the Dems and then lets put the screws to the President to do the right thing. If we get the Rethugs, more innocent kids are going to be put in harm’s way for nothing more then a combination of neo-liberal stupidity, and stubborn pride. I don’t want to vote either, but you have to. Look to what is better in all of you and go do what you know is right. I know it hurts, and I will apologize and tell you I am sorry, but we need to keep the Thugs away from the tools of war. For the sake of yourselves, and your countrymen serving, please vote. Thanks to you all!

I strongly disagree with what you say, but I respect what you say. I don’t think you understand that in terms of foreign policy especially, there is no difference between a Democratic agenda and a Republican agenda, it is nothing but an issue over semantics . Republicans are without a doubt more “in your face” more hawkish, but when it comes to US national interest, both Republicans & Democrats are on the same page. Don;t take my word on it, look at American history. It may be tough to admit it but it is true.This is the reason why, there is a need for radical change in your country, as long as the 2 parties system is in place, there is no real hope for change

You expect to win hearts and minds by calling people who have legitimate concerns and grieves, Whiners…….What a pity job you are doing on behalf of the party.Lol

As a moderate independent I’d say he is way off message. Sure, the Republicans heave done very poorly in the last few administrations.

However, if you want to motivate people “Oh heh look! We aren’t as bad as the other guys.” is hardly motivational. And then if you are going to run a negative campaign (and yes the current message is a negative campaign) well then you’d better attack, hit hard often and really drive home how bad “other guys” are. But no. The Dem message is we are better than Republicans, they are kinda, sorta irresponsible but we really want to work with them. However, if you don’t like us Dems better you are the ones who suck. Ummm. If you go negative you need the people far on the spectrum from the Republicans motivated by anxiety and fear. Republicans are excellent about the reverse by the way.

Can we get a good high school sport coach in here. This is just not motivational.

I’m voting. Split ticket on local issues as always. Heavy pandering to groups I do not like (Tea Party is one) by any candidate gets a no vote from me. The good news is we have a great grassroots politician running against a corporate politician in my Senate race. The national Dems have ignored the heck out of the race. It may help cost them the Senatate. So, who sucks? Politics is local. Dems are forgetting what got them this last surge.

No, boycotting elections to get rid of the scum inside a particular democratic party is completely justified and the only choice to make this year. Boogie Man politics is corruption from the get go.

There is also the Green Party but most likely people will just stay home. If the Democrats are going to be cowards they don’t deserve anyone’s vote and they have been the biggest pussies ever.

Barrack Obama on down through the ranks, Cowards.

…another plant from politico to tear down the left…and you people call congressional dems spineless? There are still damn good progressives in both the house and the senate and until there is NONE left, I will vote 100% democrat. Why not ask the lawmakers you still respect what you all should do?….. Grayson, Sanders, Kucinich? You losers will leave these progressive American statesmen to fend for YOUR cause against a fucking rethug MAJORITY? FUCK YOU ALL and the baby carriage you came here in!

Especially when the receiver is off the hook.

And the Democratic Party has moved to the right of Richard Nixon.

Give me something to be excited and enthused about. Yesterday’s vote on moving forward with S. 3816 sealed the deal for me. I’m over both parties. Neither represent me. Both continue creeping right, with a very small few in the minority (Grayson, Kucinich, Sanders).

I am not a real progressive? The hell you say. You and your centrist ilk are a CANCER infecting the Democratic Party. YOU are why people are feeling unrepresented and left out in the cold.

Oh a party purger! TheDevilCanDance is a real lefty unlike you party apologists.

I wouldn’t go so far as to say BO is bush III. But he is certainly no progressive stalwart fighting tooth and nail for working class Americans. Mealy mouthed excuses and garbage policies that appeal to lukewarm centrists. I put Obama in with the likes of Nixon, albiet without the racist overtones.

I guess they blame FDR for setting a standard that they can not attain, FALA speech:

http://www.hpol.org/fdr/fala/

With Boner and McConnel in we at least know who we’re fighting. Instead of the pentagon ate my vote democrats.

Come November 3, the Obama White House will be blaming ACORN for other party’s victories.
(Think about it.)

Smart voter punish bad politicians by not voting for them. It’s that simple. The dems need to be punished. Vote Green if you feel you still need to vote.

15 million unemployed.
That’s what people are pissed about.

Speaking of ACORN: breaking today on CNN’s Kyra Phillips:
O’Keefe and Breitbart caught trying to punk CNN reporter while Fox pre-notified and ready to pounce. Sound familiar?

http://siu.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/29/our-documentary-takes-a-strange-detour/#comment-4795

Tried to give RAW the heads up but the “contact” link doesn’t work in Opera. Guess Huffpo will get the scoop.

I do not want the D & R politicians to mistake my repulsion to them for lazy indifference to politics, so I will be sure vote for some third-party or write-in candidate.

They masters of America need to know we care even if they don’t actually count our votes.

“Vote Democrat: We Suck Less” LOL

Debatable but mostly true. At least the Repugs never fail to either surprise or disappoint.
Wish I could say the same for the Democrats, though by now I oughta know better.

Au contraire. You are not a ‘real progressive’, nor do you even understand the meaning of the phrase.

How about that big promotion for MChrystal, who was self-admittedly complicit in covering up the fragging of Pat Tillman and is a former commander of a purpose-built JSOC torture camp in Iraq?
That was really “encouraging”.

Don’t blame us for Obama’s and the Dems failures. We voted them into office to represent us and we did give them a mandate. Obama chose NOT to follow that mandate and lost track of what his base wanted him to do.
Where did the Super Majority Vote come into play to pass any legislation? When the Repukes dictated it. As I remember, it just takes a “Majority” to get most legislation passed. In Bush’s years it didn’t even take that. All it took was a threat to make the Dems look weak on issues and instead of the Dems telling the Repukes to go fuck off and pass the needed legislation via reconciliation, they folded once again.
Obama is a spineless, weak-kneed ASSHOLE one-termer because of his own failures: No Public Option in the Health Care Reform Bill; He let the insurance companies dictate mandatory “Buying” of health coverage; He didn’t pull all of the military out of Iraq as promised but declared combat over, yet, left 50,000 of our military people in Iraq and still in Harm’s Way; He escalated the bullshit in Afghanistan; He failed to close Guantanamo as promised; There has been no fine tuning of the Health Care Law as promised by the Dems; The Dems just plain failed the American people, especially Obama so he could follow Rham Emanuel and David Axelrod’s bullshit agenda to get as much corporate funding as they wanted; and they keep putting this country deeper into dept by borrowing money; and the Dems once again failed to bring jobs back here from China and other lower wage paying countries their corporate buddies sent there.
If you’re so stupid as to keep supporting these assholes – - and Kucinich is one of them for back pedaling on his no vote for the Health Care Bill because it didn’t include Public Option – - then FUCK YOU ASSHOLE! The Democratic Party is a bunch little bottle-sucking pukes who are no better than the the fucking Repukes! 
And ASSHOLE, your baby carriage manufacture date predates all the rest, so FUCK YOU!

You have it entirely backwards Obama. We do not work for you- YOU work for US. You must EARN our votes- which you so far have NOT. DO NOT TAKE YOUR BASE FOR GRANTED.

Rollling Stone cover? What. A. Joke. Sure, with elections around the corner, Obama steps up his big ‘I’m for the people’ routine. Corporate Media plays right along, of course. The meme is building against those ‘dis-gruntled, spiteful’ progressives.

Here’s how I see it, and it’s not spiteful, just fact: I’ll vote for Feingold, Sanders and other progressives. I’ll let the country burn to the ground with tea-bagggers at the helm before I vote for the lying, megalomaniac Obomber. We’ll make the sacrifice and re-build a better country from the ashes…

Media Control
by Noam Chomsky: page 29

….”The media are a corporate monopoly. They have the same point of view. The two parties are two factions of the business party. Most of the population doesn’t even bother voting because it looks meaningless. They’re marginalized and properly distracted. At least that’s the goal”…………

It will be a mindless pleasure to vote for the “lesser” of the evil.

Do you spend your entire day parroting Joe Biden and Robert Gibbs, smallbear? You are a limp-dicked little sycophant.

You and me both. Cold day in hell before I’ll vote for Obama or any of the other might-as-well-be-Republicans he’s shoving forward.

I cannot agree. A vote for a Democratic candidate isn’t simply about sucking less. The best that can be hoped for with any Democratic candidate is that things will get worse at a slower pace. That strikes me as giving up completely.

No, the only real option is for the people – en masse – to rise up and say “No more! We won’t be patsies. We won’t vote for either of the parties taking us to hell in a handbasket, with the only difference the speed at which they do it. No, we will put forth a new party that’s of the people, by the people, and for the people – since the Republicans and the Democrats aren’t.”

Surely, we’ve learned something from having Obama in office – including the fact that he’s quite willing to turn against his base.

Wow, what a huge list of garbage programming:
Yes, it’s not perfect (this was the meme of health care ‘reform’)
There is much work to be done yet.
The challenges Obama inherited
Yes, it needs work.
you are whiners who expect instant results

- either you’re a propagandists or you’ve been well-programmed
It will take a dem (Obomber) to destroy the last of FDRs legacy, just like it took a dem (Clinton) to start it.

Great. You named a total of 2 Congressman and 1 Senator who is not even a Democrat. That’s about as good as I could manage as well. I think that is about the extent of the list; most certainly in the Senate, which is ultra-conservative on both sides. Aside from that, there are a few progressives in Congress but they are all juniors and have no media presence.

There seem to be a lot of people here that agree with Obama, that we should vote for the lesser of two evils. Well here’s a newsflash for ya- I *did* vote for the lesser of two evils and what did I get? Watered down pablum, lesser of two evils policies in response to the friggin’ collapse of our Ponzi scheme banking system. Bold measures were called for and we got more of the same.

I’m voting Green this year because they at least understand the problem, even though I differ with them in some areas (although I would always differ with any candidate, nobody’s perfect, that’s the nature of representative government).

I used to be pragmatic about elections, voting for Dems to keep Repubs from office. But not now, not after Obama kept the people who created the problem on his economic team. In case Obama hasn’t gotten the news yet- “It’s the economy, stupid!”. I’ve spent the last 3 years learning about our monetary system because I’ve had to….to protect what little I have and plan for the future (think of what the IMF has done to Latin America- that’s what’s headed our way). To protect myself from what Congress has done to the middle class.

Our system is broke, none more so than our monetary system. Fractional (and now fictional) reserve lending must end. It’s as simple as that. Neither side in Congress understands that (which the usual exceptions- Kucinich and Sanders).

This problem goes way beyond the two-party system, in fact the two-party system is part of the problem. Both parties have been corrupted by corporate special interests. Our jobs were shipped overseas to make the rich richer and Congress (both sides) helped them do it.

You can call it whining if you want. You can call it whatever you want. The Dems do not represent my best interest anymore and the Repubs never did. Stab me in the front or stab me in the back. I want my vote to represent *my* value system and until the ‘perfect’ party arrives, I’m voting Green*.

* (mostly) We do have a candidate for governor in Florida, Farid Khavari, that understands the roots of the economic problem running as an independent.

Are you guys old enough to remember when congress, and the media were all up in arms and going absolutely batshit because the military had paid $500 for a hammer or $750 for a toilet seat cover? Everyone thought it was outrageous and a gross example of fraud waste and abuse by the DOD.

That’s back when our congressman/senators, the GAO and the justice department still worked. It was still only a two party system, but it worked. Because congressman and senators feared the people and federal employees feared the GAO and the justice department. Today a congressional investigation doesn’t mean squat.

Today we can loose 100,000 weapons in combat zone with no idea where the hell they went, $$$, vehicles, and pay haliburton $100 a bag to do a shitty job of laundry and no one says a word.

Congress no longer fears the electorate. They fear the lobbyist, and the corporations.

That’s back when our congressman, the GAO and the justice department still worked. It was still only a two party system, but it worked because the laws were enforced. It is why it is so important that the Bush administration be investigated and prosecuted. Ask any cancer patient how much good it does looking forward without first “curing” the cancer.

I’ve been thinking lately how we as individuals in this country can show we “get it”. How we can tell each other… I’m here, I still believe, and I’m ready. I think that people are pissed off and angry, but just don’t believe that any effort they make on their own will make a difference… They need to know…to see.. they are not alone.

I don’t think its something that in the beginning the idea can rely on teaparty or moveon type political organizations with party agendas. . This is something people have to be able to SEE everyday..as a reminder to each other we STILL have the power if we want.

The idea of Paul Revere and the 1 if by land and 2 if by sea is what comes to mind.
People could put two lights in a window of their home to say…. I am here. I still believe in this country, I got the word, I put these lights in the window of my home to tell everyone I will fight/vote/petition and recall to get my government and my country back.

Maybe I’ll make a website today

If you think your representative has represented your interests well, then vote for him/her. Don’t make the decision based on Obama. I know what my local representative stands for, so as a liberal who is further to the left than Obama, I feel comfortable voting for my Dem rep. My senators are Hutchison and Cornyn, so their far right positions motivate me to vote against them whenever I have the chance. Obama has very little to do with it at this point. If you have a Blue Dem as a rep, then try harder to boot them out in the primaries. Don’t screw us all in the general election by letting the Republican win.

Well, rightwingers love to portray themselves as victims . . . .

Millions of Americans have already hit rock bottom because of rethug leadership the last decade. I do understand where your coming from, though. I blame Obama for his weak-kneed bipartisan BULL SHIT. His lack of experience came shining through! He bent over and in return, WE ALL took it up the ass! As Obama has stated more than once,” THE BUCK STOPS HERE!”

On the other hand, do we just roll over and play dead for the lawmakers we still respect? Is Obama still in a learning “process?” Yes, he’s still ignorant to the fact that the rethugs would LOVE to see him VANISH with ANY means with NO ethical boundaries, whatsoever. You know it and I know it. Folks it takes more than two years for a student president to graduate from the school of hard knocks! Give Obama and his majority two more years to FUCKING GROW UP!

A perfect takedown. Thanks.

Good lord, thanks for that – those 2 paragraphs are miles above anything from Obomber at any of his ‘throw in something for everyone’ speeches. I feel the same way about many of JFK’s speeches. For example, compare JFK’s inaugural to Obomber. For all his great, speech-giving ability (stolen from MLK), he is just a lying phony. I can’t stand him, frankly.

If you think your representative has represented your interests well, then vote for him/her. Don’t make the decision based on Obama. I know what my local representative stands for, so as a liberal who is further to the left than Obama, I feel comfortable voting for my Dem rep. My senators are Hutchison and Cornyn, so their far right positions motivate me to vote against them whenever I have the chance. Obama has very little to do with it at this point. If you have a Blue Dem as a rep, then try harder to boot them out in the primaries. Don’t screw us all in the general election by letting the Republican win.

I couldn’t agree more. Democrats posing as ‘anti-war’ is just playing to the base. Remember, only *one* Senator voted against the USA Patriot Act: Russ Feingold.
That means even Bernie Sanders had to have voted for it, for which I would be eager to hear an explanation.

lloydhart

It;s funny you mentioned that because as you may know I am not a US citizen & I consider myself from the right (not the Republican Neo Fascist can of worms) but from the anti authoritarian & secular tradition of European right ( General de Gaulle), but I would vote for someone like Kucinich in a second. …..You are right, keep yourself from whatever party line, we are not supposed to be slaves of the system. Right-Left is nothing but a creation from the
people who want to keep their grip on us……No party no chains…..

Obama is just Bush Lite

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The tension between Obama and the left started just a few weeks into his presidency when he supported the UK’s right to torture. Amnesty International knows the score.

We never got our ball on the court. So, we may as well walk off with it – because it isn’t in the game, anyway.

We need to take our ball to a new court and set up new rules for a game that we control. Republicans vs Democrats makes us nothing but spectators.

ahhh, THAT’s the way to energize the base who voted you into office…

Progressives aren’t his base. His base is the same as the Repugs’ base: Wall St., billionaires, AIPAC, corporate-Americans, the MIC, CIA, NSA, etc.

Another great one, exact opposite of Obomber’s approach to Wall St. Sheesh…

Think of this as a lesson, lie and die!
You promised change then you screwed over your base.

nobody is saying not vote for those people, people are simply exposing Obomber for the phony he is…

Because real progressives will vote for rightwing, corporatist Obama? Good thinking.

Maybe we should thank Obama for conclusively proving that “incrementalism” is not a viable political strategy for progressives.

Perhaps real reform needs space that will not be available until the old regime burn itself down?

They have a powerful majority! Stop believing in propaganda…

Baloney. All Obama said was get motivated. The media then characterized it as if it was a scolding and now we (ie, the media) is reacting to the media’s characterization.

Come on. Obama and the democrats want you to vote. If and when republicans sweep all of these seats up it really does not matter the reason (except to the media of course, who will squeeze it and manipulate it on half of their right-wing ownership). Whoever you blame, the result will be that more politicians with allegiances to massive international industries (ie, republicans) will be in office.

When the Democrats make David Cameron look like Emma Goldman, you know you’re in a world of shit.

obama is an empty $5,000.00 suit. his empty rhetoric and calculated decisions and actions enabled the bloodless corporate coup d’état of our country… so fuck him and the demoRat party of clintonite neoliberals.

Until the progressives really get their act together and push the Blue Dogs and the Corporate Democrats out, they will never have a chance of getting their agenda enacted. Obama is just another ambitious Republican Lite DLC centrist, who never had any intention on executing on the promises that got him elected. Like Clinton, he is a huge disappointment.

It is simple DC Beltway conventional wisdom that Democratic losses are to be blamed on progressives. We do not fund their campaigns, we do not fly them around on corporate jets, and we do not reflexively agree with their status quo stands. Had the Democrats governed on the platform that gave them the majority, they would be sailing to an even bigger victory this year than in 2006 and 2008, but by kowtowing to the Republicans, Fox News and their friends on the cocktail party circuit, they have blown the best chance for real change in a generation.

I will still vote this fall, and I will vote for some Democrats, but I am done giving them money, making phone calls for them, and knocking on doors to get out the vote. They want to bash the left, fine, bash the left, but don’t expect our help when you need it.

Pretty much nails it. Let’s throw in the cover-up and mis-handling of the Gulf oil spill, and failure to lead against global warming for extra..

Yes indeed, from an outsider perspective I am amazed at the changes in your country, I often blast the US for what it does, but I am smart enough to understand ,there are a lot of decent people who are appalled by what is going on in the US right now.

The tension began before the election when he voted to give telecoms retroactive immunity for domestic spying.

OH, you got me there, Loather. Sanders is a PROGRESSIVE who makes most dems look like rightwing Laissez-faire capitalists. There are more real progressives in the senate and congress who need our support. Doesn’t the iron balls of Grayson do anything for you at all?! He’s kicking ass in a conservative district as we speak. Yea, just throw these lawmakers to the wolves and walk away, then feel proud of yourself when you watch them get devoured by corporate influence and theocratic fundamentalist nut jobs! Wake up people!

I agree with all of that, except for your characterization of Dem wrongdoing as “incompetence.”
The Dems aren’t incompetent, although they want you to think they are, because then you keep giving them “just one more chance.”
The Dems know exactly what they’re doing, and they’re doing exactly what the Repubs do, exactly what the oligarchy wants them to do.
The Dems are the Corporate Party. They do not represent progressives at all.

try putting it together yourself and post it here. Some good stuff, sure, but mostly trimming around the edges…

“Some [progressive] critics of President Barack Obama claim the White House’s recent chiding of disenchanted [liberals] is not about motivating them to vote in November – it’s a cynical attempt to scapegoat them for the losses Democrats are expected to suffer in the midterm elections.”

Wait a second. Aren’t “progressives” just scorned and deluded “liberals”? I like “liberals” a lot better because at least they are honest about their convictions. “Progressives” are liberals who are too ashamed to call themselves “liberals” any longer. “Progressives” are “liberals” who got all butt hurt by the “conservatives” always calling them names, so they came up with a new name that was supposed to make them sound all awesome and stuff.

So now the “progressives” are bashing the “liberals” and we have the makings of a full blown feud!

On the left side we have the “liberals”, limp-wristed and ready to break out into some juvenile chant that will go something like, “Hey Hey! Ho Ho! has got to go!”

On the lefter side we have the “progressives”, who have been going to the gym and no longer hang their wrists limp, but will out do the “liberals” by chanting a much more catchy slogans.

Who will win? Will it be the “liberals”, who will insist on more taxes so that the government can grow even bigger? Or will it be the “progressives”, who will insist on more taxes so that the government can grow even bigger?

I can’t wait to see who comes out more disillusioned. This should be fun.

Are you aware I am a “gal”, but it doesn’t make a difference, at least I hope so.Most of the guys around here,treat me like a boy,and that’s fine with me.

Thanks for your voice and great website over the years… I’m voting green too, except for certain outstanding dems. Wall St is so horrible, for us and the world..

Any progressives still thinking about voting Dem need to read this:

http://www.smithbowen.net/linfame/stopme/chapter02.html

LOL. I threat you like you have half a brain. That’s a rare thing on the internet and besides… you get to vote now too. ; )

I changed the guys to people

Obama is following the Clinton playbook. Being the moderate conservative he is, Clinton in his reelection campaign, Clinton effectively told the left all he had to offer them was to shut up and vote for him because the alternative was worse. Being the moderate conservative he is, Obama is repeating the Clinton mantra. Problem is, the left did shut up and vote for Clinton. However, the moderately conservative Damnocrats only can go to that well so many times. Time is up. The left has had it. So jarring is the obsequious attention Republican leaders pay to their base, in contrast to the hostility the Damnocratic leaders pay to their base.

Obambi pisses on the progressive/liberal base because they dare expose his dishonesty, cowardice and duplicity. The truth is the president is not progressive but a right of center militarist/corporatist. He really doesn’t want any significant change to the economic/political power structure because he and his friends are part of it and greatly profit from it.

His record is dismal and reckless. He reauthorization of the “Patriot” Act is a cynical power grab that effectively institutionalizes the Imperial Presidency, the permanent gelding of the Congress and the replacement of our Constitution with an illegal Uber document that grants dictatorial powers to the executive.

“Miss Us Yet?” – Perfect.

” Kucinich is one of them for back pedaling on his no vote for the Health Care Bill because it didn’t include Public Option ”

You pathetic misguided part-time progressive! Kucinich was the ONLY one who fought for the PO! He stood on PRINCIPAL, something you losers know nothing about! Go suck some more conservative cock, loser,

both ‘sides’ of the establishment are being ejected

So what? You’re vote is already cast. Why should anyone in the DNC give a fart in a high wind what you have to say? No one gives a crap about you’re $50 donation and an hour phone banking. So you’re going to righteously withhold what the DNC doesn’t want and give them the only thing they really do want. Congratulations, Einstein.

Ya all them whiners are effen retarded huh?

The handful of them, Sargent, Greenwald, Hamsher, Susie Madrak and other PUMA’s want their Hillary or their not going to vote. whaaaaaaa.

Obama may not want the job anymore and I don’t blame him. He has a beautiful family he could be enjoying instead of fighting the party of NO and other criminal elements left over from the bush administration.

Cowards on both sides of the aisle I see.

that’s fine. As a liberal I’ll be more than happy to take the blame. You see, I am not the kind of coward that votes because you scare me (like the Right does). I’ll only vote for you cause you are worth a good goddamn. And guess what Dems and Mr. President … I’m sitting home. =)

So, that’s where the buck stops.

I’ll be voting for Boxer and Brown out here in California. Boxer is far more liberal then anyone else running with a chance. And I would rather low crawl through broken glass then to vote for Meg.

I sent young candidate Obama $180 of my disability retirement check because I wanted wholesale change from the Bush disaster. Elated when he beat Hillary (the supposed DLC candidate) for the nomination (winning the general election against a Republican after Bush was a forgone conclusion) I looked forward to a transformative Presidency. Needless to say I am more then a little disappointed to date with the performance of the Obama administration (nicely laid out by Tripping Mczoink earlier).

I don’t need a scold from President Obama thanks anyway.

Well said.

I gave your post a “like” BUT, please don’t stay home. The idea of the right wing nuts holding power for the next two years does scare me.

Multiply that lukewarm support by tens of thousands and you begin to see why very few on the left are excited by the mid-terms.

People wanted universal health care. Instead we got a rancid piece of crap that will only enrich the insurance companies.

People wanted real and true oversight of the financial sector. Instead we got a bill with more holes than Bush’s brain and no real enforcement.

People wanted our election campaigning cleaned up. Ya, like that happened.

A majority of Americans favor abortion. So the White House makes sure federal funds can’t help a young teen raped by her drunken father.

Don’t tell me to get motivated. Give us a reason WHY we should be motivated. Punching the hippie doesn’t motivate me.

Looks like they’ll start turning on their own here. Notice how some Dems “don’t want” Obama’s support. They are running from him.

What a fuckhead! He cynically thinks he can cram any amount of crap down our throats and we’ll have no choice but to vote Dim. I believe he’s got another think coming. Voting is a hassle for me, absentee and all that, and there’s no way I’m going out of my way for that asshat. For cryin’ out loud, Obummer is to the right of bush! I miss Smirky/Sneery!

It does matter. The right wing nuts have been lying their faces off about everything the Democrats do. And the Democratic leadership took it on the chin.

No, I sure the hell DON’T want the right wing nuts to win. Yet the Democrats haven’t given me any reason to get off my butt.

Funny how most people don’t see the fact that when it comes to most policies, IE foreign, military and demestic spying, Obama hasn’t changed one iota from Bush, kind of like a Bush part deux.

Go suck some more conservative cock, loser,
You seem to know all about doing that, sucking conservative cock, that is, so maybe you can write a book about it.
Again, FUCK YOU! 

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I disagree with the premise. There’s a core of people in the White House who got President Obama elected and didn’t have the political skills to get his agenda through Congress. Like the woman who got tired of defending Obama, I worried from the first that the Administration wasn’t using it’s huge mandate to trample the Republican opposition. That’s what we, as progresssives, wanted to see. Be that as it may the amateurs in the White House appear to have had their hat handed to them and I’m looking forward to an administration that will answer the challenge of an uphill battle, as President Obama has been doing for the past couple of weeks. But, I have to say, how hard is it to get motivated to vote. I got my absentee ballot in the mail yesterday. Google “absenttee and your home city” and get off the damn dime.

And yet, voting for any Democrats that do not follow your own personal values is telling the Party that it’s doing just fine as it is. So, how to protest other than not voting in any race where the Dem will not act in my best interest? Not a rhetorical question, I’d really love a way to protest.

Progressives are acting like right wingers instead of getting on board and trying to move forward. Get the hell over it or vote teabagger. That is your choice.

Progressives are acting like right wingers instead of getting on board and trying to move forward. Get the hell over it or vote teabagger. That is your choice.

Wrong. It was the ordinary citizens who contributed to his campaign. I didn’t sit beside any wall Streeter two years ago manning the phones. They were just ordinary people like me. AND WE WANTED CHANGE.

Wrong. It was the ordinary citizens who contributed to his campaign. I didn’t sit beside any wall Streeter two years ago manning the phones. They were just ordinary people like me. AND WE WANTED CHANGE.

I understand that a huge transformation has not occurred, but Obama’s been in power for 19 months. RELAX!! There is a huge health care reform bill, wall street reform, credit card protection, DADT on the chopping block, stimulus that saved many jobs….. Come on,now. Have you ever seen a president do this much in so little time??? Every president has great plans when they enter office; then, the Washington machine gets in the way. Come on, you think Obama is a big dissappointment. You have a short memory, and even less patience.

I understand that a huge transformation has not occurred, but Obama’s been in power for 19 months. RELAX!! There is a huge health care reform bill, wall street reform, credit card protection, DADT on the chopping block, stimulus that saved many jobs….. Come on,now. Have you ever seen a president do this much in so little time??? Every president has great plans when they enter office; then, the Washington machine gets in the way. Come on, you think Obama is a big dissappointment. You have a short memory, and even less patience.

Eh, not really. “Liberal” means more open to change. “Conservative” means resistant to change. That’s why both exist in both parties. The extremes would be Conservative Democrat and Conservative Republican. In contrast, Liberal Republicans and Liberal Democrats would vote almost identical, differing on far fewer issues than the conservatives of each party. The problem as it exists today is that somehow, the party values have wrapped around so that Conservative Democrats vote the same as Conservative Republicans. Neatly ties together and leaves old fashioned Lefties (ie, the Dem values of the past), out of the process altogether.

The right-wing will impeach any Dem President they can when they take back control of the Government. That’s because right-wingers are scum, through and through. Yet, the Dems take impeachment of a war criminal, someone who documentedly LIED this country into an illegal invasion of Iraql, “off the table” before they even get settled into their offices?

I’m torn on this issue (though, I don’t vote, on principle). Giving the right-wing the reigns will certainly drive us over the cliff. Yet, too many morons out there don’t pay attention to their government, they expect it to magically work (no wonder given 80% of this country is religious and puts their lives in the hope of an invisible sky fairy). If the public can’t bother to be engaged, the Dems will continue to slide to the right as well. Dems in office want to post the 10 commandments in public buildings? want to deny equal rights to citizens? condone torture and illegal spying and wars of aggression?

There is no sane Left in this country’s political sphere, just a few rogue holdouts (Kucinich, Grayson, Feingold, etc. come to mind). The Dems came to the health care table already having removed their ideal solution expecting the right-wing to minimally negotiate. Instead, every single right-winger voted against the bill (including several right-winger Dems!). Single Payer was off the table? really? The Dems have lost their way, and the public doesn’t seem to care. So burn em.

I don’t like the idea of the right-wing taking hold and securing Fascism 100%, but the Dems, even with majorities in all branches of Government, can’t seem to act to stop it anyway. Even if we “mostly” keep the Dems in, the right-wing will have more than enough power to keep things shut down (or made worse).. they do it now while the Dems have “super majorities” (in theory), certainly they will do it even MORE if they get even ONE seat in the Senate, and a few more in the House.

We’re fucked either way, if you ask me. A strong forest doesn’t grow unless there is an occasional fire to burn off all the rot and dead crap at the bottom.

You’re right that the democrats haven’t done much to motivate you but:
a) Its the classic lesser-of-two-evils situation we have every election (The corporate Tea Party stole the thunder of a potential third party revolt)
b) The democrats have done more than they are being given credit for. I’m disappointed too, but the healthcare bill was better than nothing, as was the financial reform bill. Terrorism is not being as exploited as it was. We’re safer. etc.

Democrats definitely need to stand up to the right-wing. Its easy to wonder how many of them are actually puppets to the right-wing; either purposely or by lack of action. The democrats need to be sent a message, but not voting is going to just push those wing nuts further into power. I know you know that. Its frustrating, but part of that frustration is in light of the promise we saw both post-Bush and with Obama.

What are you talking about? He didn’t say a word about Corporations!

yep! Campaigned against FISA right up until after he had the Dem nomination. Four days later voted for it. And it’s only gotten worse and more blatant since.

Not true; not only has he not repealed Bush policies, he has expanded many of them beyond the previous administrations limits of what they thought they could get away with. And that is saying a LOT.

What website, please? I’d love to be able to say the same.

Well we certainly dont need Fox No News to bash us! Democrats will do it themselves!
After Bush I never want to see a rep pres ever again.
After Obama I never want to see a dem pres ever again!
It would be no different had we elected the CEO of Walmart to be POTUS.
Obama you are a fraud!

The Democratic Party has been a bit too harsh on those “damned liberals,” as the Republicans call them. I can see that liberals are one of the top components of the party and that the Dems need their votes. Nearly every liberal media outlet has criticized the president for his middle-of-the-road, too accommodating approach.

This is no reason to vote Republican, of course, but unfortunately staying at home helps the Republicans. Nonetheless, sometimes both sides get on your nerves and you don’t feel like seeing either one on the ballot.

Just what we needed, another whiney White House out of touch with the electorate.

It’s either time for a third party or time to throw the republicans out of the democratic party.

We cant move forward if our elected democratic politicans are not doing anything for us once they are elected.

I am a liberal and I’ll vote democratic. But your contention that partisanship should be more important than agenda is insane. YOU are the reason we have zero to show in the way of progressive legislation over the last two years. Mindlessly accepting anything that comes down the pike. A blue sheep with a right wing.

Oh, if only!

LOL.
…And Frank Caliendo….LOL

and the schools are being used to turn out a whole new crop for the military.

and the schools are being used to turn out a whole new crop for the military.

Look sh*t for brains. Try to use some of the knowledge about the system to understand what has happened. I am a liberal and the last thing I want to do is sound like a dirtbagger because we didn’t accomplish everything in our agenda in the first two years. Listen to your whine. We stand a much better chance of getting what we are fighting for if we stick together and quit joining the ranks of the right wingers. We have accomplished some things.
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You said it right girlcousin, more fodder for the cannons.

It would be ironic if Obama’s presidency leads to a referendum on whether to allow anyone from Harvard to EVER be allowed in public office. Look at that Summers guy; right back to Harvard. Then we have Elena Kagan, who should wear a robe with a question mark on the back. She could be Justice Riddler, an upcoming Batman character. LOL. Also from Harvard. She’s a crypto-something or other. I think the US Supreme Court is about to have its first encounter with aliens of the third kind.

It would be ironic if Obama’s presidency leads to a referendum on whether to allow anyone from Harvard to EVER be allowed in public office. Look at that Summers guy; right back to Harvard. Then we have Elena Kagan, who should wear a robe with a question mark on the back. She could be Justice Riddler, an upcoming Batman character. LOL. Also from Harvard. She’s a crypto-something or other. I think the US Supreme Court is about to have its first encounter with aliens of the third kind.

I will blame democrats who stay home. Democracy is not a spectator sport. Obama has achieved amazing successes in this hideous republican environment. If republics manage to gain the house or senate, I will not shed one tear for any Democrat who does not vote and lives under their tyranny. If some democrats do not vote, they are the ones who do not accept the responsibilities of a democracy. Democracy is always a work in progress.

No more voting for the lesser of two evils ?
GROW A PAIR!

I read that! Wonder if I could get ahold of the author and post it on my facebook. WONDERFUL article! Please take the time to read it.

Think about it, staying HOME on election day is just like voting Repugnant.

Is the Democratic base sooo sensitive that they can’t handle the reality of 21st century politics?

Get off you self pitying ass and get on the phone to friends and family and get to the polls. Anything less is surrender?
Remember the phrase “We have looked into the eyes of the enemy and the enemy is us!” Now put down the key board and pick up the phone!

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Do you understand how the Senate works? If you did you would not be holding the entire party hostage for the coordinated actions of the GOP and one or two blue dogs.

If your answer to the slow progress in DC is to stay home then get out of my party and join one where political fighting is not allowed!

oh, yeah? Then why are they shi**ing on us? Republicans fear their base, democrats despise their base. I’m from Indiana, and Evan Bayh anointed Ellsworth to his senate seat. He’s anti-choice, anti-environment, anti-immigrant, pro war, pro capital. But since he has a ‘D’ after his name I’m supposed to vote for him? Not in this lifetime.

They don’t want to see. They are still in the MATRIX and the MSM and even “progressive” media, particularly radio hosts, are doing their very best to keep them there. The reality is extremely bleak and very painful to wake up into. It hurts and keeps hurting. The lies of the false flag 9/11 attacks, the current genocidal wars, the torture, “special” rendition, spying and the Bankster looting of the country more than suggests that the “government” is controlled by an insane cabal of criminal militarists. They believe in “Realpolitik” where the “practical” ends, devoid of ideology or morality, are the only considerations and even the most heinous means, are justified.

On 9/11 the US military staged a coup d’etat and are now in charge in the new ROME, Washington DC. Elections will never unseat them. We live in a de facto surveillance police state.

Haha, what a whining bunch of pussies!

When are the Democratic leaders going to blame themselves for loosing? Election after election, they keep ignoring the fact that Rethugs cheat, flip electronic votes, and keep voters from voting?
How can you support someone when they don’t care if your vote gets counted?

While I have read a lot comments here and feel your anger and justification I don’t agree with many of your conclusions. If you have been paying attention to the political process that has taken place since Obama has been in office than you would know it was an illusion to believe the Democrats ever had a 60 vote majority in Congress. The blue dogs including that self-serving Lieberman are wolves in sheep’s clothing. They got no business being in the Democratic Party. And aside from the weak leadership in the Senate (Harry Reid) and mishaps by the president, is it really wise to throw the whole party under the bus? There were some very fine bills put together only to die in the messed up Senate. This midterm elections isn’t about Obama. It is about Congress. I mean, as much as I am not a fan of Harry Reid, allowing that crazy Sharon Angle to be put into power would be an improvement? You are not happy with the the health care reform. Yet it only took 75 years to finally get something passed. And the Republicans hate it because they know it will continue to evolve into an eventual public option. Have you bothered to check the good bills that have been passed.

I read a lot of comments here about there is no difference between the two parties. But there is. And I don’t give a rat’s ass what you read or watch that gives you that conclusion. If you can’t remember the results after a short two years what eight years of Bush brought us… you aren’t paying attention. One telling example… very telling. If a Democrat had been in office instead of Bush… I really doubt 9/11 would have happened. I sure as hell know, that Roberts and Alito would not be on the Supreme Court. And SCOTUS ruling of Citizens United would have never happened.

I know a lot of you are proud and feel very intelligent for your angry comments but I’m no young person anymore. And the saying is true. “The more you learn, the less you know.” It is a good antidote to keep young at heart. I have read a lot of books and done a lot of research. And especially on our history. And I will tell you right now. What is going on is nothing new. This battle has been going on since this country began. Always has, always will. That utopia paradise we all want is but a mirage. The Reagan Revolution opened “Pandora’s Box” that began the destruction of the “New Deal” that had created the greatest middle class growth in our young history. His revolution moved the country further to the right… for worse. And now the powers that be are doing all they can to keep the country from moving back towards the left. No president has had to face the kind oppositional power that is against this president.

Throwing Obama under the bus because you didn’t get your “rose garden” isn’t going to make it better for you. And letting this Republican Party, that keeps moving further to the right, back into power will make it far worse. I guarantee they will undo any positives steps that has been taken in the right direction. You have to remain diligent and be angry but don’t drop out. Only “we the people” can make it happen. And it is going to take time and perseverance.

I truly am happy to know that more than just “I” feel this way. Keep up the good fight brother, we will wake them up. Hopefully before it’s too late. (although I fear it might already be too late now)

You sir are a COWARD. Youy hide behind princeple yet you are not willing to stand for theose princeples when they are under direct attack.

What do you expect the Repugnants to do if they gain control of the House? Improve anything or take us backwards?

Get involved at your local precinct level. Go to meetings and let you voice be heard. It means more than you think when the “foot solders” speak out!

KUCINICH/GRAYSON 2012!!!

Another case of “the other party got away with it, why can’t we?”

So your answer to break their grip on power is to stay home and not vote?

Good points. But you forgot my favorite intellectual “punching bag” Cass Sunstein, Harvard legal scholar, Obambi’s buddy and Administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (MinInfoReg in NEWSPEAK). Anyway, in 2008 he published a legal paper titled “Conspiracy Theories” where he states that those that disbelieve the government’s official 9/11 conspiracy theory are suffering from a “crippled epistemology”. These are fighting words from a very dangerous “intellectual”. He and the government know the only “truth” about 9/11 (and by extension everything else) and you better believe it.

Read the paper and read David Ray Griffin’s critique in his new book “Cognitive Infiltration – An Obama Appointee’s Plan to Undermine the 9/11 Conspiracy Theory”.
It’s a brilliant and devastating critique of Sunstein’s ten main theses. There is a very surprising twist to Griffin’s analysis in that not only does he cover the obvious exoteric meanings of the paper but also the possible existence of a deeper esoteric message. Buy the book. It’s worth the small cost and a most effective antidote to the 9/11 MSM psy-ops Kool-Aid.

Incidentally, Sunstein is best buddies with Elena Kagan the former Dean of Harvard Law School. She said in 2008 that he was “the pre-eminent legal scholar of our time – the most wide-ranging, the most prolific, and the most cited, and the most influential”.

Do go vote for real progressives! Vote third party when the choice is jackasses or elephants. It’s time (although it might already be too late) to start breaking up the conservative monopolies that are dragging this country over a cliff! And, just for the record, there ain’t no such thing as a conservative democrat, they’re simply elephants with an occasionally guilty conscience.
And, as for the WH and Barry, what the f do you expect when you get elected as a progressive (that’s what CHANGE IS), before the election, and then raise the flag of corporate america and conservatism the day after you’re elected. And now you have the balls to cry about being back stabbed, f u! You are the ones that need to figure out whose team your going to play for in the long run. The only thing progressives ever expected out of this WH was a real fighter, not a pansy ass voluntarily backing down from the Wall St. bullies, and certainly not from the tyranny of the repugs and blue dogs! A damn donkey that runs away from its own shadow for crying out loud!

“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. . . . Corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money-power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.” – Unknown

When asked about crying, he talked about Michelle and his children. I cry about all of the children he is murdering with his illegal drone attacks. Has he a conscience at all?

Got to Barry and you lost me. Birther kook

When asked if he cries, he spoke of Michelle and his children. I cry for all of the children he has murdered with his illegally ordered drone strikes!

Barry, the name Obama almost decided to take. I take it you never watch Bill Maher.

Bravo Walt!

Change has never been a spectator sport. The groans we hear are from those who mistook the 2008 election victory as the FINISH LINE. But it was the STARTING LINE.

Pissed off? Get involved! Go to town halls, run for office, knock on doors, talk to people. But whatever you do, don’t give up!

Gee, Walt, once again you are absolutely right! (Just kidding, loser!)

During the Bush Administration, just prior to natioal elections, we were warned of an imminent al Qaeda attack.

Just prior to national elections, the Feebs of the FBI went around arresting anti-war protestors.

Gee, Walt, how things are different today. Just prior to the national elections with Obama in the White House, we are warned of an imminent al Qaeda attack.

Just prior to national elections, the feebs of the FBI go out and arrest anti-war protestors.

Yup, Waltso, things are entirely different today!

Holbrook had the balls to go on Maddow’s show and sit there and lie about this drone war, as the company that produces the software the military is using to guide these attacks has said the software was never designed for this intended use, meaning that the missiles can be way off target, which means innocent people are dying. The US military has become no different than the terrorists when they kill civilians!

A simple question? Have you ever, ever in your entire life read ANY piece of legislation?

I hear mindless twaddle like yours all my adult life from nimrods and nitwits who have NEVER read a single piece of legislation!

I got news, chum, the legislation passed has to date has simply consolidated the power and control of Wall Street, the insurance industry, the pharmaceutical industry, etc.

Grow a pair…..of neurons, that is, and start performing your citizenship duties, chum.

We haven’t had any democracy in the this country, if we ever did actually have it, more many many years. It is the ignoranti such as yourself who glibly accept all the drivel from the Corporate-owned pop culture non-media, and then regurgitate it back as if you knew something.

And guess what? You don’t know diddley.

Vote for the FBI arresting anti-war demonstrators, as they did in the Bush administration and are doing under the Obama administration?

Vote for the Obama administration, which has been continuing, and expanding, the Bush policies? And warn has again, just prior to national elections of yet another eminent al Qaeda attack?

Grow a pair….of neurons, that is. Tyranny has been exant for quite some time, dearie.

Well said, very well said! Imagine if he had taken the stance of “sorry Liberals…I didn’t do everything I wanted to…we can do it though if we keep working on it” RATHER than you “wimpy whinners – buck up”.

Its official. Obama is a republican!

Republicans knew they couldnt win presidency after Bush!

So they did the next best thing and hired a “democrat” who is sympathic to them.

With this latest blasting of progressives by “democrats” it seems THEY are the ones that dont want the democrats to win this nov. Why? Because Obama is a fradulent republican!

Get involved with what? A system so corrupt that it is owned by the Corporations? Knock on doors and say what “we need to Buck Up”. How about you give us something that will really work…it clearly didn’t work with the Dems we have in office now. You want us just to vote Dem cause that is our only choice….otherwise the boogey man will run the country…that is so much bull. I agree with others here – how do we get change if we just keep voting the same people into office that don’t listen or perhaps don’t care?

Exactly. I heard some douche on a former Airhead America-affiliated show (almost as bad as National Petroleum Radio – NPR – if ONE is an authentic democrat, that is) Randi or Random something, with a horrible NYC accent (sorry Nyers, but that accent is tough on the ears) claiming that Bush was responsible for the overthrow of the Honduran government!

Pure crap! It was Hillary Clinton, chair of the Millennium Challenge Corporation, which funded the overthrow of the democratically-elected gov’t of Honduras, when their president started truly acting in a democratic and populist fashion.

Shame on the Clintons (Geithner is the deputy chair of MCC). Shame on those rightwingers who claim to be dems.

I have another one as well. http://www.SovereignMoney.com

but not to the issues that matter most to progressives.

Obama did not end the Iraq war. We are still there.

Obama escalated the the Afghanistan war.

GITMO is still up & running.

I do give him credit for FINALLY giving these prisoners of war a fair trial and releasing them because they were innocent!

And while your at it please explain to me WTF are we still in these two wars?

Health Care Reform does nothing about cutting health care cost which is the reason most Americans wanted HCR. Not to mention most of the prohibitions take effect way after he is out of office! No public option. Health Care Reform FAIL!

That, and appointing every neocon and neolib on the planet: Diana Farrell (the number one jobs offshorer around), Larry Summers, Timmy Geithner, Orszag, Gensler, Wolin, Sperling, Holbrooke, Hormats, Allison, Shapiro and on and on.

Every Wall Street lobbyist, pharmaceutical and Monsanto lobbyist available.

Can you say: “Screw America?”

Obomber did.

While a court martial is taking place at Ft. Lewis, Washington, USA, regarding the murders in Afghanistan by the US military, another court martial is taking place in Australia concerning the murders of Afghanis by Australian Special Forces.

There has been enough murder in Afghanistan, both fomented by the US government leading up to the Sov invasion, during the Sov occupation, and long afterwards.

No one has the courage to hold Obama responsible for his actions, he is no better than George Bush, a mass murderer who doesn’t have actual blood on his hands, but is responsible for the death of 1000′s of human beings….But his lunatic base , the so called “feel good Democrats” still want to paint him as some kind of multiracial flavor of Jesus Christ…..Magical president , my ass, prodigal disgrace, without any doubt .All of you Obama apologists are making me puke, Bush was the personification of evil & you are still using him as a political scarecrow, but not a word about Obama’s own atrocities….You think you are better than the Republican scumbags?, you don’t even have the courage & the integrity to smell the stench in your own ranks….You and the Republicans deserve each others, you smell the same.

Do you really believe that drivel? I’m not happy about rendition, predator drone attacks or his support of the Patriot Act. However to say that he is just the same as a Repugnant is plain silly. He is more progressive than any GOP Presidential contender now or in the next 20 years. When you say things that stooopid everything else you say is discounted accordingly

I accidently hit the like button just so you know.

Besides that I am not in your party nor am I a republican moron.

As far as I am concerned you are the idiot promoting a corrupt system!

Get this. I didnt vote for Obama. I didnt vote for McCain. In fact I didnt vote at all!
Guess what? Obama still won my state! Which I knew he would.
OK so it really doesnt matter if I voted for him or not.

Yeah I know what the Senate does. They take bribes. Work part time. Have more health care options than we do. They take vacations & fuck us over.

Hi girlcousin — the reason that democrats abandon their base is that even the centrists in their base are to the left (more pro US citizen than company) than the majority of democrats in the Senate. They give us nice speeches but the real power in the nation comes from money and big lobbies. Big money has no interest in helping the US citizen. The BEST of democrats (most in the House) are torn between that and the base….but at least we HAVE some good democrats. Are there any good republicans?

The republican base is for big businesses, whether they know it or not. They are generally either less educated, less altruistic or more wealthy. One way or another, they are easier to to play to for republicans. But republicans let their base down all the time, when the base notices. Republicans campaign as fiscal conservatives but the vast lot of them will always vote to give more money and power to large international companies over giving aid to the US consumer/citizen.

So which is better? Weak, divided, partially-helpful democrats or fascist anti-citizen republicans?

I understand your frustration. I was criticizing Obama the day he announced his financial team. I’m with you, but I’m still wholeheartedly against republicans and to ORIGINAL POINT that I was trying to make — the media is mis-characterizing Obama’s comments about trying to encourage the base to vote. Is it more important to fight fascism within your own party and by opposing the other party or is it more important to get caught up in the soap opera the media likes to solicit.

A successful third party would be great if and only if it was a very-fast growing populist movement. The republican Koch brothers stole that one with the Tea Party. Otherwise, a formation of independents could have been successful post-Bush.

Pardon me if I sound repetitive but do you really understand the rules of the Senate?

Seriously if you want change 8 years of Bush policies don’t you think you need to give the O man more than 20 months to get it done? He is after not Harry F’n Potter!

Robert Shaftoe is spot on with his analysis. 08 was the START now stop wallowing in self doubt and realize that politics takes TIME and EFFORT. If you’re not willing to give the O man either, then STFU.

Obama is either a Trojan Horse of the neo cons or the has accomplished the most prodigious, spectacular flop I’ve ever seen in his negating and diffusing of the massive popular energy for progressive change that got him elected.

the Obama Administration, including President Obama, could have had a huge impact on the way the Senate “works.” They didn’t. He didn’t. He appears to be, as someone else said, afraid of his own shadow. Accommodating repugs actually makes me nautious. I have had to turn off my TV almost as much since he has been president as I did when the unelected frat boy had the job. My absentee ballot will be here soon, and I will vote for Dems, out of fear of repugs. My heart will not be in it. What a lousy state of affairs for us Dems. I wish I could vote for Alan Grayson. Now THAT would be a proud vote.

Poor Bam Bam… can’t handle the fact that we are just not that “into him” anymore. Listen pal, Bush fatigue and the fact that you were not Hitlery can only take you so far with people who are sick of war and lies and watching your administration out-Bush the Bushites. Personally you lost me on day three when you ordered your first “extra-judicial” killing via drone. Thank god I never registered for any of these filthy parties. I won’t be sitting on my hands, I’ll be voting third party all the way. And NOT for the Sarah Palin wing either.

Want to court my vote? LOOK BACK! TRY AND CONVICT THE CROOKS! Muzzle your filthy “Justice” (sic) Dept and stop the legal cases against whistleblowers.

Obama is republican-like, as are half the democrats. US industries and institutions (including media) are owned and run from the right, simplifying it as the right is seeking less government on behalf of financial interests and the left seeking more benefit for citizens. Voters of both sides should be against the corruption and manipulation that is used to pit us against each other. We’re ALL dissatisfied with government. The corporate Koch brothers leveraged that discontent into a rebirth of the republican party.

The republican party is a wholly owned subsidiary of industry. The democrats are a partially owned subsidiary of industry.

But are Obama and the democrats REALLY ALL TELLING YOU that YOU are to blame? Or is this a media mischaracterizing things to be salacious or worse?

Which is better? A weak, divided, partially-helpful/partially-republican-like democrat party or fascist anti-citizen pro-international industry republicans?

A successful third party would be great if and only if it was a very-fast growing populist movement. The republican Koch brothers stole that one with the Tea Party. Otherwise, a formation of independents could have been successful post-Bush.

Vote for whoever you want, but vote.

So your answer would be to stay home this November and turn the whole shooting match over to the NEOCON’s? Yeah like that would save a single innocent Iraqi or Afghani. The NEOCON’s will Nuke Iran and then how many children will we be crying for.

I don’t support the drone attacks either but I don’t have the responsibility to guard the safety and stability of the Western Civilization.

” I’m not happy about rendition, predator drone attacks or his support of the Patriot Act”

On what ground can you pretend to be less “repugnant” than the Republicans?. You are probably even more hypocritical, the Republicans have no problem doing the worst atrocities in the name of American virtues, at least they are not bullshitting themselves.

” I’m not happy about rendition, predator drone attacks or his support of the Patriot Act”

On what ground can you pretend to be less “repugnant” than the Republicans?. You are probably even more hypocritical, the Republicans have no problem doing the worst atrocities in the name of American virtues, at least they are not bullshitting themselves.

Exactly. You are absolutely right. We SHOULD criticize our party. I publicly spoke out immediately against Obama’s economic team (that was obvious from the get-go) and continue to speak out against the Afghanistan war racket. But as you say, its more complicated than that. Its just become popular/trendy to trash on Obama. Yes, he promised a lot. Yes, we thought it was a larger turning point for our nation than maybe it was. But were Bush Jr’s promises looked at post election?

I also think that we (both parties) believe that politicians have more control over departments and governments and lobbies, etc, than they do.

Exactly. You are absolutely right. We SHOULD criticize our party. I publicly spoke out immediately against Obama’s economic team (that was obvious from the get-go) and continue to speak out against the Afghanistan war racket. But as you say, its more complicated than that. Its just become popular/trendy to trash on Obama. Yes, he promised a lot. Yes, we thought it was a larger turning point for our nation than maybe it was. But were Bush Jr’s promises looked at post election?

I also think that we (both parties) believe that politicians have more control over departments and governments and lobbies, etc, than they do.

Here Here! The only reason that the Repugnants didn’t use the flip switch last time is becasue they didn’t really WANT to have majorities and the WH during a depression.

I doubt that they will be so timid this time. Look for unexplained results and more voting day intidation tactic’s in Florida & Texas.

Can you imaging how scared the GOP would be if the Dems decided to fight just as dirty as they do?

When people call others names, it is usually that they are the name they called the other person….so I’m not sure why I’m responding to you, but….

9/11 happened. There were over 20 explicit warnings from foreign governments. There were explicit actionable warnings from intel. It took place. Terrorism was subsequently used and abused for politics and industry. Yes, “Big Brother’ continues, but we are safer under Obama than under Bush and what control do politicians have over the defense & security industry? Next to none.

Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha.

“Bait-and-Switch Barry” Obama is trying to manipulate the beltway media. Go right ahead fool.

Meantime, we’re going to sit on our hands. Blame us all you want. Were laying the groundwork to eliminate you from OUR national Democratic party ticket in 2012.

That’s what fascists want you to do. Bravo.

I talk to the wind, my words are all carried away.

And not voting will simply make it easier for the democrats to go further right. Don’t get caught up in the soap opera.

That I agree with, but not voting is not the answer.

Argue on merits. You guys sound like republicans when you start with the insults.

Anyone remember before the Bush years when debate was healthy?

True. Vote for other people. Lobby against the republican democrats. Speak out. Keep republicans out of office.

It’s like an physically abusive husband blaming his wife for a lack of supper at home after putting her in the hospital.

What YOU mean is “I don’t have the responsibility” to pillage the oil, gas and resources from other countries! I will be voting for green candidates where ever possible, and writing in “bring our war $$ home” where I cannot vote green.

What other reason would the Obama, Biden, Kerry, Gibbs “democrats” have for blasting their base right before elections?

And, Im the stopid one!

You’re a troll and you dont have any respect for civil discussions. Im done with you.

Bullshit. I’d get involved if Obama’s first step and instinct wasn’t to “run to the middle” and instead pretended to defend progressive ideals. Instead of the mess that is the HRA, he could have started with single-payer plan as a starting point. lnstead we end up with even more corporate give-aways.

You are a juvenile fool if you think seeding control of the hose will benefit the national party in any way. With the Supremely Stooopid Courts ruling on corporate giving it’s likely that the Dem’s will not regain control of the house until the demographic trends overwhelm the obscene flow of corporate cash in 2020.

You don’t have to like the O man or even support what he HAS done but you are foolish to think there will be any progress under GOP domination or that our country will become more united if democratic voters SURRENDER to the Bagger mentality.

To EVERY person who reads RAW and is thinking about not voting GO UP and become a THINKING adult and visualize the CONSEQUENCES of GOP control of even one chamber let alone two. JFC do you people have the slightest clue? Don’t you hear what they the NEOCON’s want to do?

You can kiss net neutrality good bye. You can kiss any attempts to control global warming good bye. Are you all SOOO F’n Stupid that you don’t understand what is at stake?

May be I really should renew my pass port because if so called progressives are willing to punish the entire country because they didn’t get all of what they wanted as fast as they wanted it we are totally screwed!

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AFTER you change the electorial college you can vote for a third party. Until then a vote for a third party presidnetial contender is a wasted vote!

Again get you head out of the clouds and realize you have to choose! Evil or lesser Evil.

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If you want to make the Progressive portion of the party stronger get out and become active and REGISTER more porgressive voters.

Ooohhhh…that’s soo toughy woughy. Listen, clown, those of us who have the uniform of this nation, back when there was an actual draft, and are no longer in the douchebag category (that believe all that BS patriotism they spew when they want you to go fight on behalf of the corporate swine), don’t accept all this leftwing/rightwing BS model, when they same exact scumbags are appointed under each and every administration.

Linda Chavez was first appointed by Jimmy Carter, continued under Reagan, and later George W. Bush tried to have her appointed once again.

Check on all those appointments over the past 30 or so years. You might learn something…..the wars go on and the beat goes on.

Catch a clue, dude.

I clicked LIKE, because I agree with you. I vote democrat. My head is very much not in the clouds. There’s nothing idealistic about voting democrat.

No. I’m just awake. I don’t believe that it makes any material difference which major party is empowered in Washington. They are opposite sides of a very corrupt coin and despite the staged “sound and fury” will do essentially the same thing : Serve the Military Industrial Media Complex and the developing surveillance police state.

Did the White House send you? If so, please print these comments – take them over to President Obama and have him read them, especially those re FDR. Maybe then the President (whom I voted for) will understand where the anger and frustration is coming from. The truth is – it really can’t get any worse…I am still trying to figure out how I will pay for insurance in 2014 when the premimums will be $400-500 per month – what shall I sacrifice while the insurance companies grow fat….a roof over my head or dinner? I am still meditating on what exactly anyone got out of the financial reform…oh yeah 29% interest on money the government is loaning to the banks at 0%. I make good money and I don’t know how I can make it – how will anyone trying to live on minimum wage survive? Tell me please how it can get worse.

No it isnt–its more like an abused wife leaving her husband and finding a new husband and acting like the new guy is a monster because she has no idea how governing and leading works.

Its a LONG process as in it takes more than two years to change the country in this landscape–it will take much harder work than 2008 to make big things happen even though the POTUS has done alot considering the opposition.

They can’t go any further right after the present administration (and the Clinton adminstration).

Haver you EVER paid attention to anything in your life? Are familiar with any of the Obama Administration’s appointees?

Read and heed, dude! Learn about something for once in your pathetic and ineffectual life.

Voting for the same clowns, year after year, that the corporations command us to vote for accomplishes nothing.

Just ask all those dead Afghanistani souls.

Anyone posting from the White House please print these comments – take them over to President Obama and have him read them, especially those re FDR. Maybe then the President (whom I voted for) will understand where the anger and frustration is coming from.

Yes, you’re full of shit and you need it to get out. Its frustrating for you to be so constipated and so you lash out at others in a discussion group who may otherwise agree with you. Thanks for your contribution to our nation.

More like a meddling neighbor who wants to control what the neighborhood thinks. “We get along just fine. I’m pregnant,” said the woman, whose comments were not printed.

Obama doesnt change the world in less than two years and you want to jump ship after 8 years of Bush?

REALLY?! Thats your plan?

Youre acting like you empowering yourself by doing nothing (which is the actual least you could possibly do) and that helps us how?

Meanwhile the POTUS says change takes time (more than 24 months) and you have to work for it and your answer is to whine?

Shaddup.

Better check my activity profile in this blog before you pin the troll label on me. I’m second to none in the LOGICAL support of the progressive/liberal agenda!

I agree that the leaders have not taken as tactful approach to energizing the base as they could have but after reading today’s comments I don’t think they could have said anything to appease their disappointed supporters.

Actually I think they might have calculated that they could get us fired up and screaming at each other with the hope that logic and reason would prevail over idealism!

If its not our fault, who elses fault would it be?

We get the government we deserve by allowing them to rip us off.

Youre a damn fool if you think Obama could change the world in 24 months with a slight control of Congress (liebermann doesnt count).

Pay attention and wake up people, this the end of the first half–theres a long way to go.

No I just understand politic’s better that those that hold the belief that you have to be pure to do good.

Sure, they could go further right than this. We agree that the democrats are republican-like and that most of these politicians are to the right of center. We’re upset at the same things. Not voting however isn’t going to change that. Vote for different clowns. By the way, in my view, its not the clowns but the system that is the problem. If green-party candidate Matt Gonzalez was president (great smart pragmatic guy), he’d be roped into the same type of thing that Obama has been roped into. Politicians get bribed, blackmailed or otherwise put into catch-22 situations where to have the job they have, they must obey the powers that be. That’s why they become clowns. So what are you going to do about it? Sit at home and not vote? Voting might not change much, but its the least you can do. The other people trying to gain power in the nation are doing and spending WAY more than that. What do YOU expect for one simple vote or even for not voting?

Sure, they could go further right than this. We agree that the democrats are republican-like and that most of these politicians are to the right of center. We’re upset at the same things. Not voting however isn’t going to change that. Vote for different clowns. By the way, in my view, its not the clowns but the system that is the problem. If green-party candidate Matt Gonzalez was president (great smart pragmatic guy), he’d be roped into the same type of thing that Obama has been roped into. Politicians get bribed, blackmailed or otherwise put into catch-22 situations where to have the job they have, they must obey the powers that be. That’s why they become clowns. So what are you going to do about it? Sit at home and not vote? Voting might not change much, but its the least you can do. The other people trying to gain power in the nation are doing and spending WAY more than that. What do YOU expect for one simple vote or even for not voting?

Piss awya your vote, its your right but realize you have surrendered any chance to CHANGE the policies that you abhor!

Without a Democratic majority the things you detest will only get WORSE. So go ahead and file your protest vote but take responsibility for the Nuking of Iran if a Repugnant beats the O man in 2012!

lol wut? Where did this mystical Jesus crap come from? Only the Obama Haters bring it up, no one else has ever said anything like that.

You rant about the things you create about Obama and crap from FOX News–its crazytalk.

Piss awya your vote, its your right but realize you have surrendered any chance to CHANGE the policies that you abhor!

Without a Democratic majority the things you detest will only get WORSE. So go ahead and file your protest vote but take responsibility for the Nuking of Iran if a Repugnant beats the O man in 2012!

lol wut? Where did this mystical Jesus crap come from? Only the Obama Haters bring it up, no one else has ever said anything like that.

You rant about the things you create about Obama and crap from FOX News–its crazytalk.

Those arent exactly attrocities but still better than our stuff blowing up.

A couple million for our 3000–stop attacking the United States is the lesson here.

Those arent exactly attrocities but still better than our stuff blowing up.

A couple million for our 3000–stop attacking the United States is the lesson here.

He’s a puppet, blackmailed, bribed and cajoled into obeying industry, like every president is. He’s currently trying to get us out of Afghanistan and stop escalation in Pakistan. The Pentagon (Gates) has said that we will never leave Afghanistan. Who has more power, the president or the Pentagon/defense & security industry?

He’s a puppet, blackmailed, bribed and cajoled into obeying industry, like every president is. He’s currently trying to get us out of Afghanistan and stop escalation in Pakistan. The Pentagon (Gates) has said that we will never leave Afghanistan. Who has more power, the president or the Pentagon/defense & security industry?

That seemed like a response to me, so some clarifications:
- If we don’t vote for who we want in there and they don’t win, then yes, it is our fault. Agreed. My reference to “fault” above is in regards to the media characterizing democrat’s failures in general (not in getting elected) as due to a lack of enthusiasm of the left. That is what the radio media (CBS news) I listed to told me to believe.
- I did not think Obama would change the world. I knew and repeatedly said that he was more of a pragmatic than progressive and that progressives would be immediately disheartened by him.

Its not an instinct–its the reaction to the climate.

If Obama had real Dems in office and more progressives, he could give us what we want, but thats OUR job, not his.

Y ou are a fucking nOOb, you don’t deserve attention yet, come back when you have at least 100 posts. You are dismissed for now….

I agree Bob. I don’t work for cowards.

Yes siree, I remember the DoD procurement scandals, and those sweetly naive days, as it turns out. When you wonder why it’s so different now, don’t forget the media. Lesson No. 1 in the handbook for taking over a nation is to seize the radio stations, the TV stations, and the printed press, in that order. Sadly, that has already happened in the U$, and I submit that it is why the electorate is apparently sleeping, stupid, and vicious. If we once again had alert, antagonistic media (Please remember Dr. Hunter S. Thompson, may his fine and bouncy soul rest easy forever!), I believe that public “servants” would be forced to do their jobs once again. Seems a good starting point to this tired old vet.

Not long ago I heard Obomba say attacking Iran was not off the table! Weren’t you listening?

I think he gets and is asking for YOUR help. Lobbies and businesses spend all year trying to influence him. What effort are you and I giving?

Secondly, most people overestimate the power of the president. Obama is trying to get out of Afghanistan and not escalate in Pakistan, but the Pentagon (Gates) says that’s not going to happen. So who’s in charge? The politician or the defense & security industry/military lobby?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/29/obama-out-of-afghanistan-_n_743506.html

Nope, You are just a GOP troll.

Nope, You are just a GOP troll.

Sorry I did not read your post carefully and I’m a bit fired up today. My apologies

You are pissing against the wrong tree, I am not the one who pretends to be morally and ethically superior to anyone, you do…..”However to say that he is just the same as a Repugnant is plain silly”. I think you have a problem, & it is called a double standard…..

So not only you are ethically but also intellectual superior?, wow. Your mother must be really proud of you,

No worries. A lot of people are pretty fired up in general. But we agree. Cheers.

No worries. A lot of people are pretty fired up in general. But we agree. Cheers.

Look I doubt anybody here really believes Obama is superman that can change everything but he has not done what he said he would do.

I disagree, Obama could have easily gathered democrats to vote democrats in nov. by saying that change will take some time, be patient and blame every obstacle on the republicans. He didnt do that. Instead he choose to bash progessives. Yes, he did because I saw it for myself.

I guess he is doing the quickiest bait and switch ever because he knows he wont get elected again. He has admitted that much by saying he isnt concerned about being a 2 term president. He is more concerned with being a good 1 term president. How is that for hope!

I dont care how long you been here. As far as I am concerned you are a troll because you are insulting every posts you dont agree with. We already heard your pov the first time.

You’ve got it Stumpownhero. Whose side are they on? Not ours, of course.

YES, I will keep voting, if it only pisses of the Righties that I vote.

The Rethugs point and run, after they commit the crimes, and the Dems just stand there, so maybe it will be a Green, or an Independent. BUT, if the Rethugs win, it iwll be Canada.

I have been a lifelong Dem, and switched to Green with much angst. I didn’t abandon my party, they abandoned me, and my kids.

Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha.

You need us. We do not believe you deserve our support. More to the point, we believe Obama is not to be trusted. He over promised and under delivered. This occured because his opponents were right; Obama lacks the requisite experience to do the job. Another way to say it is that we believe he is incompetent.

We are not going to support “Bait-and-Switch Barry” and you are going to suffer defeat as a result.

Come 2012, we’re looking for a legitimate Democratic candidate who can not only win the White House, but also has the integrity to deliver on what he or she promises.

Another puerile Obama apologist response.

Talk about whining!

It’s called consequences, fool.

780 RAW posts with 1,648 likes. I don’t think I could get that many “likes” if I was a Troll do you” I mean if I was a Troll I would have Broccoli Rob stats with a “likes” total equal to 1/3 of my posts.

I am not now nor have I ever been a Troll.

I have done a lot….with zero result. You tell me what your “What effort are you and I giving” means. What is it you think we should be doing? Just sending scary words in my direction are not sufficient – I am not afraid of Republicans …..your ilk is tossing Republican around the way Bush and his gang tossed around Al Qaeda to scare people so they will vote against their best interest. We need to vote candidate by candidate for who is best and will do what is right – not by party.

Do you have a clue about international politic’s nothing is ever “off” the table. AND he was not talking about nukes like “The Dick” Cheney!

Blame the gays is the coded message. The political incompetence of the WH team is amazing. “Dance with the one who brung ya,” rule #3 of American politics. Funny how Bush got his entire tax and war agenda thru with a minority in the Senate. Obama had 60, and huge margins in the House, and high approval ratings, and he blew it. But it’s easier to blame the gays. fffuuu Democrats, you deserve to lose.

Nah, we won’t go backwards. We’ll just go backwards faster.

We didn’t expect him to change the world. We actually didn’t expect him to change too much. What we DID expect him to do was to try and fight for those thing s he said he would. He hasn’t fought for a single one. Furthermore, he has continued many a Bush horrific policy that he could stop with a world. There are many things he could do (stop spying on us, stop appealing Bush court cases) that don’t require Congress. not only has he NOT done them, he’s made them worse.

“You are a juvenile fool if you think seeding control of the house will benefit the national party in any way. With the Supremely Stooopid Courts ruling on corporate giving it’s likely that the Dem’s will not regain control of the house until the demographic trends overwhelm the obscene flow of corporate cash in 2020.”

And you my friend, get it. The only thing that is going to change it all, is the titanic demographic change coming in about 10 years. And taht change is going to make anything done in 2010 or 2012 look like a hiccup.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazine/cs_20100724_3946.php

It appears that your scary words are not enough. We have kissed Net Neutrality Good Bye under the Democrates. We are going to have to choose between food and health insurance (check out the Prices of insurance under the government pool $400-900 a month and that is the pool what do you think regular people will pay monthly when we are forced to purchase insurance with NO protection or regulation of cost). The government is lending banks money at 0% interest and IF they will lend it to us we are paying 29%. Corporations are having some of the best profits in years and WE are unemployed because we let jobs be shipped overseas – and the Dems couldn’t even stop that. Tell me one thing the Dems did that didn’t benefit corporations over WE THE PEOPLE….

Was Cal 5000 the name of the computer in 2001 a Space Odessy?

Are you going to suck us in and turn on us too?

THAT is a steaming pile of cow shit. Bush managed to mangle this country in FOUR years with substantially LESS than 60 senators and a decisive majority in the House. Despite NOT having a decisive majority Bush managed to get every goddamn piece of legislation through that he wanted to.

Obama has NO excuse.

Either he is weak and caved to the pressure of the screaming minority or
he NEVER intended to honor any of his promises to progressives.

Well this time, let the Dems crash and burn. Put some real progressives up and I’ll go out and vote. I won’t be blackmailed into holding my nose and voting for another phony EVER. That’s it. I’m done.

Phone me in 2020 after a series of one term presidents and fail congresses have completely destroyed what’s left of the constitutional rule of law. By then the new generation of young Americans should have had more than their belly full of the life of serfs.

Sharpen the guillotenes

They are very Republican.

So puerile was your word of the day on your cpu?

There are no consequences of Obama being elected. There are no consequences of the GOP being elected. They are both killing it.

The fact that you think that Obama is ANYTHING approaching libearl proves your slavering ignorance. Why don’t you stop watching news entertainment and, I dunno, read and think.

Demographics are going to tear you apart in 10 years. EVERYTHING after the old white male dies is resoundingly liberal by a HUGE margin.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazine/cs_20100724_3946.php

So, by all means, keep up your right wing circle jerk to photos of Sarah Palin. We are patient. See ya in 10 years.

I’m liking your posts RawReader. You are dead on.

Right fucking ON.

Meanwhile, Lucy has a football she’d like you to kick. Sucker.

Meanwhile, Lucy has a football she’d like you to kick. Sucker.

Yeah–just give Obama a little more time. Sure, that’s all he needs, he’s just fine-tuning his genius governing abilities.
Obama and the national Dems, corporatists all, thank you for your gullibility.

Yeah–just give Obama a little more time. Sure, that’s all he needs, he’s just fine-tuning his genius governing abilities.
Obama and the national Dems, corporatists all, thank you for your gullibility.

I think Will Rogers said “I don’t belong to and organized party I am a member of the Democratic party.” Bush was able to ram things down our throats and had the luxury of the uber patriotism post 911. Without 911 he would have been a one termer and NOT been able to get his 2nd round of tax cuts for the rich passed.

The O man on the other hand has the exact opposite hand to play. While the house HAS delivered on his agenda the GOP has used the filibuster in an unprecedented manner and the lame stream media has let them get away with it to such a degree that progressives in this blog don’t understand WHY the O man has not been able to deliver.

The answer my progressive and liberal friends is to vote and vote in big numbers to stop the GOP in their tracks and PRESERVE the gains that have been made.

Do not let disappointment lead you to surrender. THAT is exactly why the GOP is pumping this meme. The think we are all childish pussies and will throw the equivalent of a voter tantrum this November.

So you can CHOOSE to be manipulated by the GOP and the Corporate Media or you can stand up for individual freedom and liberty and get your ass to the ballot box!

I think Will Rogers said “I don’t belong to and organized party I am a member of the Democratic party.” Bush was able to ram things down our throats and had the luxury of the uber patriotism post 911. Without 911 he would have been a one termer and NOT been able to get his 2nd round of tax cuts for the rich passed.

The O man on the other hand has the exact opposite hand to play. While the house HAS delivered on his agenda the GOP has used the filibuster in an unprecedented manner and the lame stream media has let them get away with it to such a degree that progressives in this blog don’t understand WHY the O man has not been able to deliver.

The answer my progressive and liberal friends is to vote and vote in big numbers to stop the GOP in their tracks and PRESERVE the gains that have been made.

Do not let disappointment lead you to surrender. THAT is exactly why the GOP is pumping this meme. The think we are all childish pussies and will throw the equivalent of a voter tantrum this November.

So you can CHOOSE to be manipulated by the GOP and the Corporate Media or you can stand up for individual freedom and liberty and get your ass to the ballot box!

So you think sitting this election season out will get Single Payer? You think John Boehner wants to spend the next two years working for your best interests? How about Sharon Angle?

Look, I’m as pissed-off at our Jell-O spined Democrats as much as anyone. Harry Reid needs to be taken out to the woodshed. But if you can’t see that it has been the GOP plan all along to drag their heels and do whatever it takes to prevent anything from getting done in Congress, and to make people so miserable they just start saying “vote the bums out”, that’s exactly what the Corporatocracy wants.

Your attitude is just a cop-out to actually do more than sit on your computer and type, thinking that is all you need to do to bring change.

This veteran isn’t afraid of hard work. Are you?

It’s “cede,” not “seed.” Obama and the Dems are going to give away net neutrality like they’ve given away every other important issue, including global warming. Do you not read the news?
Perhaps this will explain it to you: http://www.smithbowen.net/linfame/stopme/chapter02.html

I realized what the analogy is.

Progressives are a “booty call.” The Dems know they can come and we will be there and say yes.

But some days, even a booty call says… “You know what, I’m not in the mood to be USED today. I think I have a headache.”

November 2010 is going to be a headache for the Democratic Party. They really should have thrown a FEW bones to the base. NO, they didn’t have to solve global warming, universal health care, and a ruined economy in 18 months.

They could have just NOT had a right-wing, anti-Gay give the invocation at the Inauguration (and NO, mentioning atheists was NOT enough to make up for Warren). They could have NOT kept the Special Prosecutor who illegally jailed Seligman. They could have NOT continued so many illegal practices of the FBI and NSA. They could have thrown a few SPEECHES (hey, talk is cheap) towards the progressive agenda without actually DOING anything.

But no, they had to piss in our faces and assume we would take it.

Sorry Barak, I have a headache.

Do we have to take it in the ass for 10 year? I say no! Especially if we keep our eyes on the computers!

He could have a four-star General court-martialed for faking war games. THAT would put a tiny bit of fear into the Military Industrial Security Complex. Of course, it might also get a piece of lead in the head, but hey, if you are POTUS, don’t you have to take risks some times?

I’m not even an O man fan just a realist that knows how damgerous the GOP is to the future survival of our country.

This vote is more about STOPPING the GOP than it is about wanting the O man and the Dem’s to do more!

I’m not even an O man fan just a realist that knows how damgerous the GOP is to the future survival of our country.

This vote is more about STOPPING the GOP than it is about wanting the O man and the Dem’s to do more!

Didn’t I lay out the consquences of a GOP victory clearly enough?

To “blame every obstacle on the Republcians…” he would have had to actually consider HOLDING A FEW REPUBLICANS ACCOUNTABLE.

Interesting that ethics charges go forward on Democratic members of the house, but somehow, war crimes and other treasons are “off the table” if they were committed by Republicans. THAT I just don’t get.

The moment that Obama decided to “look forward and not back” he decided to OWN every single problem that had been created for him by the Republicans.

When he praised Bush in his Iraq speech I almost lost it. THAT was a final straw. The Iraq war was based on lies (continually shifting lies) and cooked intelligence and to not acknowledge that was disgusting and dis-heartening, but to claim it was just a “policy disagreement” and to think that Bush, who banned photogs and never once visited Dover, was somehow just as concerned about the troops, well THAT was really sick.

Why so defeated? Buck up little camper! Life’s not over yet.

Dissent is our birthright, defeatism is not.

When I get that helpless feeling with national politics, I delve back into local politics. I go to town hall meetings, I call my city councilperson. I talk to my neighbors. I talk to strangers and try to ‘remove logs from their eyes.’

What did you think after the election we could all go back to partying again? That we could just sit and watch the Change unfold?

Have you ever stopped to read some of what the right-wing trolls on this site write? They’re licking their chops because we’re an easy target when we fight among ourselves. They LOVE it when their little plan of “NO!” works by making you and I feel helpless.

“Vote all the bums out” would be great if that’s what it would accomplish. But instead, we get results like Arnold Schwarzenegger who has managed to drive this once-great state into near-bankruptcy.

Stay home on election day and you get the democracy you deserve.

Why so defeated? Buck up little camper! Life’s not over yet.

Dissent is our birthright, defeatism is not.

When I get that helpless feeling with national politics, I delve back into local politics. I go to town hall meetings, I call my city councilperson. I talk to my neighbors. I talk to strangers and try to ‘remove logs from their eyes.’

What did you think after the election we could all go back to partying again? That we could just sit and watch the Change unfold?

Have you ever stopped to read some of what the right-wing trolls on this site write? They’re licking their chops because we’re an easy target when we fight among ourselves. They LOVE it when their little plan of “NO!” works by making you and I feel helpless.

“Vote all the bums out” would be great if that’s what it would accomplish. But instead, we get results like Arnold Schwarzenegger who has managed to drive this once-great state into near-bankruptcy.

Stay home on election day and you get the democracy you deserve.

I agree it is the media that is playing up this story. The O man and Biden have ONLY said buck up NOT it’s all you progressive’s fault we are going to lose! Big difference! But hey it’s a 24/7 news cycle what else are they going to write about other than a fictitious story line? Kinda like the search for WMD it makes good copy.

Obama is one thing, and the paragraph he will get in the history e-books will read…

“The first black President of the United States, Barak Obama took over after eight years of George Bush and faced a declining US economy and many other problems. Unable to overcome a severe economic downturn and lack of capital while waging two wars overseas and fighting an increasingly militant conservative movement at home, he was defeated in the primaries leading up to the highly contentious 2012 election.”

I agree it is the media that is playing up this story. The O man and Biden have ONLY said buck up NOT it’s all you progressive’s fault we are going to lose! Big difference! But hey it’s a 24/7 news cycle what else are they going to write about other than a fictitious story line? Kinda like the search for WMD it makes good copy.

Obama is one thing, and the paragraph he will get in the history e-books will read…

“The first black President of the United States, Barak Obama took over after eight years of George Bush and faced a declining US economy and many other problems. Unable to overcome a severe economic downturn and lack of capital while waging two wars overseas and fighting an increasingly militant conservative movement at home, he was defeated in the primaries leading up to the highly contentious 2012 election.”

No, that’s your choice. This liberal is voting Green. If you wanna wallow in ignorance and fall the empty hope & change repackaged as the empty “we must move forward” emptiness, go for it. I’m not that stupid!

Oh just cut off that nose to spite the face.

:)

That is your choice. If you think you have a chance of getting a Green candidate elected more power to you but to stay at home or allow the dirtbag party to take control of congress is not going to help any liberal or progressive get anything done.

Dream on……if you let the republicans win this Nov, they will win in 2012 regardless of which crazy candidate they profer.

It can get MUCH worse by voting in the rethugs in Nov. Be thankful that you have a job and a roof over your head as many have lost both because of policies of the last administration.

It can get MUCH worse by voting in the rethugs in Nov. Be thankful that you have a job and a roof over your head as many have lost both because of policies of the last administration.

I want to like you stumptownhero – I do…we agree on several things – I didn’t expect the President to be Harry F’n Potter – I was hoping for a President that would stomp about for Healthcare Reform rather than stand on the sidelines. He has a majority – it is his job and his cabinet’s job to whip those people on the hill into shape and point them in the right direction. If he had not turned around and told me to BUCK UP – I would be a much happier camper….you don’t point the finger at your base and blame them for your failure – YOU BUCK UP and take it on the chin and say – Hey Dude (and Dudettes) hang in their, you go over to the Hill and tell those cheeseheads to play nice or you drag them out into the light and make it clear that they are not playing with the orchestra. So stop with the STFU….

Charlie I’m with ya on all points BUT if you give the GOP control no more booty calls but you are going to lose your house, youyr job and your parents are going to lose their social security and medicare.

Keep your eye on the “bigger picture” and take one for the country!

Please baby just this once please, I promise I keep at it until you squeal too Com on babe ya know ya like it too Please please just one more time?

Obama isn’t out to change the country in 2 years, or 4 years, or 8 years. Thats a convenient lie for the politically illiterate to help them sleep at night when they hear a soundbite about a bill not passing or being “weaker” than many Dems wanted.

In reality the bills don’t come to a vote or are watered down to rethug-lite legislation because Obama either (a) didn’t want it coming to a vote in the first place & so didn’t fight for it, (b) wanted it watered down to curry favor or keep a deal with some corporate interest, or (c) he allowed “blue dog” republicrats to control the legislation because HE (or Rahm, or Geithner) wanted a watered down bill.

If Obama was the “change” prez you’re still pushing, he would have battlemarks from bitterly fighting for actual progressive legislation till the end, even if it failed. Instead he either allows the progressive amendments to die because of his own passive “meh” support, or because his admin was actually working behind the scenes to kill it (both happened several times on key progressive amendments in both the healthcare and wallstreet bills). His watered down “reform” bills are purely for marketing effect, but at least Rahm gets to call in all his chips now that he’s running for mayor.

Has Obama even shown one inkling of wanted to change ANYTHING seriously? Having Goldmansacs guys in charge of fixing wallstreet and the banks? Fighting in court to legalize CIA renditions and torture (even of Americans, and WINNING), fighting for more wiretaps, more troops, less committed war deadlines, etc, etc.

Are you saying we should ignore his actions and not only give him another 2 years, but elect him again because you like his speeches, even though he clearly says rhetoric for effect while carrying out an entirely different agenda.

If a guy is robbing your house, would you wait til he’s done to see if he’s going to replace what he stole with nicer stuff??

Lol, you can feel the stress from the Casa Blanca, they are dispatching their 4rd grade political quacks to blame and terrify RS readers with Republican take over, Apocalypto……

The man who by himself confirms that concocting a fraud is still a great American tradition,is desperate, Yes indeed Mr fucking empty suit president , when one’s own credibility becomes such an issue of embarrassment, nothing is better than blaming those who are holding you accountable. Mistakes have been made , others will be blamed…..

Corporate campaign money will overwhelm the system regardless. There’s no difference between corporatist Dems and corporatist rethugs.

lol.like

You left out Gibbs attacking the “professional left”. They ARE laying the narrative for blaming the left. Apparently its not enough that Obama and Rahm and have completely destroyed Howard Dean’s 50-state progressive machine through constant attacks and blatant slaps in the faces on key bills, now they’re trying to salt the earth. At least the CIA will get some work out of their toy. Last I heard he wants a bill forcing viop to make their tech wiretap friendly.

Everything on your list only served the Corporations. Insurance – sure I will have to buy it or pay a fine (wonder where in my budget I can cut to pay for it). Finance reform – yeap – great – Banks get money for 0% – I pay 29% when/if they lend it to me – but they do have to notify me if they are raising the rate. I could go on – but alas…there is not enough room. At least be truthful when you post about people whinning – it is you and the President whinning that you can do more damage without our vote.

lol; what is my ilk? I find that my opinions annoy democrats, republicans and greens equally.

What should we do? For one, stop focusing all of our arguments on Obama vs Bush, democrats vs republicans, etc. These are players in a system much larger and powerful than them. Take “Big Brother” for instance. Government (ie, big private industry with leverage) has been decreasing our privacy and liberty with the excuse of security for (at least) two presidents now. Does that mean Obama and Bush are the same? No. “Big Brother” is a profit/industry opportunity for the defense & security industry. They aren’t giving that up. The president does not run that industry and given Obama’s inability to de-escalate in the ME, despite his desire to, one wonders just how much power the president has over even the Pentagon.

I didn’t intend to “just send scary words” in your direction. Look at this thread. Everyone is frustrated and nearly everyone agrees on many things, including disappointment with democrats and Obama. I just don’t think its as cut and dried as some make it and that not voting is a vote for “going backwards faster” as scytherius wrote (lol, yes).

There’s no magic answer, but I know that I’m as frustrated as anyone else here and that whatever we do, we have to vote (generally dem) while doing other things.

A vote for a republicrat is basically the same. You’ll get the occasional hailmary pacifier bill but he’s basically a corporate lobbyist claiming to represent you, ESPECIALLY with this gang. Yeah the tea baggers are FASCIST lobbyists, but with the WH now trying to villianize progressives for potential losses (that are 100% their own fault), apparently even they don’t really care if their base come out to vote.

I’ll be your ilk. lol

lol Well, that is, indeed, the question. I am afraid we’ll have to, but I’m not going to make it easy for them.

lol Well, that is, indeed, the question. I am afraid we’ll have to, but I’m not going to make it easy for them.

Ahh I was correct – we do agree on more than it would appear.

Ahh I was correct – we do agree on more than it would appear.

What is inexcusable is to continually ignore those who helped to elect Obama. He has only himself to blame since he is not only the president of the united states but also the head of the democratic party. But somehow none of that seems to matter. those pesky republicans keep saying no so his hands are really tied. Those same republicans who said they hope he fails and so he bent over backward to try and please them. So unless he plans on joining the gop, blaming liberals for his failures is not going to help him this november let alone in 2012. Even if we maintain control of congress, it is obvious Obama already seems to be moving into lame duck status. If he could not doing anything with 60 or 59 votes in the senate what is he going to do with 51 or 52??? Our lack luster bumbling president better catch a clue and either start acting like a real president or start thinking about a new job.

It’s ironic, before the election Obama’s chant and tag line was “Yes We Can!” After the election it was more like, “No We Can’t” and the excuses started, and judging from all the apologists on this story, they continue today. I watched some of Obama’s first really up-beat speech in Wisconsin yesterday; that and the deputy press secretary’s complementary words regarding Maddow and Olbermann led me to believe that the White House had gotten the message that pointing fingers and faulting or blaming the lukewarm response of the Democratic electorate to the mid-term elections on the left–ostensibly the Democratic base–was an ill-conceived strategy if the administration wanted Democrats to win the bulk of the local elections in this mid-term. I hope I wasn’t wrong.

Make no mistake the left has good reason for its cynical, negative attitude. The public option was off the table before the debate began, and there is nothing in the health reform bill as it was passed that is ever going to “continue to evolve into an eventual public option.” So far we haven’t heard a single word about any changes to the bill. As far as the president or anyone in congress, except the Republicans, is concerned health care reform is done and was a great success.

The same with financial reform, the only thing left to do there is establish a toothless consumer agency that will placate consumers by giving them a sense that something was gained after all the money was shoveled to a bank industry that basically got off without even reinstalling the rules under Glass-Steagall. In the end almost nothing was done about the problems that caused the crisis and absolutely nothing was done about “too big too fail” phenomenon by reducing the size of the biggest banks and financial operators like AIG and Goldman Sachs–it anything they are now bigger because their competitors weren’t bailed out.

And don’t even talk about the aggregation of presidential power, Obama has done as much or more to obtain and exercise more presidential power as Bush did. He has targeted America citizens for assassination, he has backtracked on his campaign promises regarding the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. And has extended the Afghanistan war into Pakistan and if the stories now coming out about the new confrontations between the Pakistan military and the civilian leaders there are to be believed, it appears that The CIA has been doing more in Pakistan than just looking for bin Laden and the Taliban. Meanwhile with nearly have the country devastated by the floods there and the continuing and escalating violence, the United States government is pretending we have done all we can and the rest is up to the Pakistanis. We have vastly increased the number of troops in Afghanistan and there is no end in sight to that conflict. The Karzai administration has rigged more elections than Karl Rove, and we are still turning what looks like a blind eye to all the corruption by him and his brother. The bank there is on its last legs and who knows where all the money will come from to finally pay off the depositors. In the meantime $4 billion in cash is being flown out of the country every day; who knows where that money is going or where it is being deposited. We took all the “combat troops” out of Iraq and the remaining troops are now engaged in “combat.” As far as I can tell, this administration believes in perception at least as much as the Bush administration did.

And back home we have an FDA that is clearly in the pocket of industry. We not only can’t find out which foods are GMO, but we can’t find out which foods aren’t either. We continue to have about the same number of food borne diseases, illnesses and scares as we did under the Bush nation-wide program of “voluntary compliance.” The coal mine disaster and the explosion on the Deepwater Horizon revealed that the Bush administration programs had not yet been modified in the least. That is, even though we had better people at the top (or were told we did) the same antics of self-inspections and that characterized the Bush administration were still permitting a lax and mostly non-existent inspection regime as well as a general attitude on the part of industry that they could basically do whatever they wanted. After the fact, they worked with government to cover-up the amount of the spill and it’s toxic after effects. But we again got the perceptual apparatus, of hearings and finger-pointing all around. BPs front man was demoted and exiled to Russia and a new guy came in. Then a PG&E gas pipeline blew up in Berkeley killing around 40 people and we learned that millions of miles of these pipelines are in equally suspect disrepair and could also blow at any time.

I could go on but I think I have made the point that this administration has performed well below expectations. And for all the apologists out there, Obama did in fact set those expectations himself. And the left came out in record numbers to support him because of those exaggerated expectations. So if those of us on the left are disappointed in the extreme it might just be because Obama gave us a little too much hope in order to ensure his election. In short, there is plenty of blame to go around, but our (now greatly diminished) expectations weren’t self-generated and to suggest as much is disingenuous at best.

But would I ever vote for a Republican or stay home so that my non-participation could result in the election of a Republican—hell no!!!!!

But I don’t think Obama should resurrect “Yes We Can” for his next run. I don’t think that would ever be appropriate again!

Yep, and while my approach is different than yours (let the GOP take it and drive it into the ground so hard that they’ll never get another vote), I think Obama is an unmitigated disaster but it is all about stopping the nightmare that is the GOP.

After Jan.20th, the dems didn’t waste any time throwing their base under the bus…now they
are paying the price for that mistake.
Now they are insulting their base.
We need responsible leadership in this country and the dems aren’t up to the task.

Hey Obama, we voted for a progressive, not what you have turned out to be, a limp-wristed rightie-pleaser. Come on, man-up already.

Yep. :) In fact, this whole article/discussion thread seems to contain people who agree more than disagree but are very frustrated and differ on whether they will vote or not. Cheers

lol; cool. I’ll print some t-shirts of us that we can sell. :)

Liberal Media? So let’s bring back the Bushies? One of the repugs talking points is don’t agree with anything from Obama. Obama has tried to be bipartisan, but, it’s a joke to them, don’t agree with nothing! If WE THE PEOPLE

The response of a rightly disappointed yet rational progressive.

“But would I ever vote for a Republican or stay home so that my non-participation could result in the election of a Republican—hell no!!!!!”

WONDERFUL post.

I will sit out as I have voted for the “lesser of two evils” one time too many. (Or only vote on other ballot issues) But, you really nailed it.

LOL Fantastic.

You are right but not all Dems are corporatists while 100% of the GOP sucks at the teat of corporate profits!

Good grammer catch I think my spell check did that to me. But tell me who you want fighting for the little guy. The pretender or the overlord?

The White House blames the Left?

If the White House WAS the Left, which is what the Left voted them into office to be, then the Left would be on their side.

It’s a vulgar statement, but it’s the truth of the White House’s leadership formula:

You can’t make chicken soup out of chicken shit.

I think they were actually trying to get the professional left to realize that they were being counter productive, as this blog PROVES. Since they don’t talk directly to each other least Faux News accuse the WH of a Bolshevik revolution it was the most acceptable way to convey the message.

If I politely disagreed with you or the others who hold cement like opinions it would make for a boooooring blog and others who are on the fence might not get how FUCKING important it is to vote this November.

Just another way Obama acts like a Republican.

It looks as though the administration is setting up progressives to “take the fall” and become the scrapegoat for the loss of the November elections. Better be careful boys, “Snow in November, Xmas in December” or after 2010 comes 2012.
This also coincides with the raids on anti-war protesters.
This is truly biting the hand that feeds you.

I said my understanding of how POLITICS works was REALISTIC not IDEALISTIC which is the base arguement going on in this thread today.

And it is really silly to claim that the O man is the same as any Repugnant. Is he a Centrist and a security hawk? Yes, but does that make him like ANY GOP condtender NFW!

The emotion that is underlying the bulk of the “I’m not gonna vote” posts here today indicates to me that the polite approach you advocate would have fallen on deaf ears. I liken the “buck up” comments to a slap in the face. It gets your attention and you have to decide how you are going to react.

It may prove to be ineffective but given the state of the economy I doubt the O man could “rally” the troops not matter what…. we are just too scared and depressed to “get up” for a cause so I think they have calculated that getting us mad might be their only hope!

“…it was an illusion to believe the Democrats ever had a 60 vote majority”

The fact is, they never needed it. The Bush administration passed both tax cuts with less than 60% by reconciliation. Deadeye Dick Cheney cast the 51rst vote for the second round.

The illusion was believing that Obama had the will and the courage for progressive change.

Comedy we can really believe in, for sure.

Sorry for ruining everything, Barry.

What the White House has not apparently recognized is that many or most of those “whiny” liberal voices are most definitely coming from the right wing. There is an army of posers and fakes out there, Republican’s in Democrats clothing posting on the internet pretending to be disenchanted Democrats that plan to stay home this coming election. They whine about the failure to get a public option, they wail about Gitmo, when in reality all they are really trying to do is build up a negative momentum, to create a bandwagon of crybabies all refusing to see the reality that you can’t just go to Washington and wave a magic wand to make almost a decade of horrible policies go away. They know what faddists many on the left (and right for that matter) are. The latest being to be a tough talking liberal. Yeah, you too can be just as rude and crude as any hate spewing rightwinger. Go online and vent your righteous indignation at imperfection, your impatience at the pace of change. Everything’s got to be INSTANT now a days. Instant change with your instant coffee.

Here are a couple of articles that show a bit of the kind of things these people have been up to: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php%3Ftitle%3DBivings_Group
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002/may/14/greenpolitics.digitalmedia

I also think it does a grave disservice to call progressives “hippies”. That is a term that has a negative connotation in many people’s minds. To them it means dirty, disrespectful, and extreme. I’d don’t think very many progressives fit that description.

Will true progressives see through all the smoke and lies before election day or will we get run over again only to have to endure another who knows how many years of Republican incompetence and insanity?

mcquaidLA genius isn’t it? just genius, weeks before the vote, circle the wagons and open fire on your most vocal base … now that shows courage we can believe in … the buck stops with you citizen and every lost seat in the house or senate is your fault dear reader …

does anyone remember the hoaxifier in chief, the vp hoaxifier, chief of staff hoaxifier or press secretary hoaxifier say a single word critical of obstructionist corporate whores blanch lincoln, max baucus, evan bayh, maria cantwell, tom carper, kent conrad, dianne feinstein, mary landrieu, joe lieberman, bill nelson, ben nelson, mark pryor or ron wyden? ever?

i contend that the population has not forgotten who destroyed the nation and they are not likely to vote for the party of no anytime soon. you are being set up for another round of election frauds coast to coast with the aid of their corporate whore news organizations and their half-truth polls …

mcquaidLA genius isn’t it? just genius, weeks before the vote, circle the wagons and open fire on your most vocal base … now that shows courage we can believe in … the buck stops with you citizen and every lost seat in the house or senate is your fault dear reader …

does anyone remember the hoaxifier in chief, the vp hoaxifier, chief of staff hoaxifier or press secretary hoaxifier say a single word critical of obstructionist corporate whores blanch lincoln, max baucus, evan bayh, maria cantwell, tom carper, kent conrad, dianne feinstein, mary landrieu, joe lieberman, bill nelson, ben nelson, mark pryor or ron wyden? ever?

i contend that the population has not forgotten who destroyed the nation and they are not likely to vote for the party of no anytime soon. you are being set up for another round of election frauds coast to coast with the aid of their corporate whore news organizations and their half-truth polls …

If evidence to you, of a Republican posting as Democrat, is that they “whine about the failure to get a public option”, then that alone says volumes about the kind of “progressive” you are.

You are the kind of “progressive” who is all about the game of politics, but not an inch deep when it comes to principle.

You are the kind of “progressive” who when George W. Bush did it, it was bad, but when Obama does the same things, and even worse, that’s good. In fact, if someone then dares to be consistent with principles that caused them to rightfully criticize the Bush Administration, by criticizing the Obama Administration for the same kind of Constitutional assaults on liberties, then you accuse that person of being an impostor.

If you are oblivious to the deeds by Obama, I’m alluding to, then you certainly aren’t worth the time it would take me to clue you in.

You’re pathetic.

Excuse making posers are overcome with frustration and panic that their “just consider the alternative” meme has suddenly quit working.

Sorry, here’s the first link again.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Bivings_Group

Excellent post. The hapless Byron, Professional Obama Apologist, would deem you a Republican operative.

Well, then, we will only have Obummer to blame (and, of course Obummer’s fluffers, like you).

I’m sorry you didn’ tunderstand my post.

The consequences are that, come lection day, we liberal Democrats are not going to show up on behalf of “Bait-and-Switch Barry” Obama, because he did not do as he was told – when we elected him.

You also seem to be making some sort of veiled comment about enthnicity and race. For those of us who are the first generation children of immigrants, whose parents busted their humps so we could have a better life, we find people like you to be the most offensive sort – unable to see the world through anything but your own distorted lens.

Go look in the mirror before you start blindly pointing fingers, fool.

The blame should be on a disgustingly pusillanimous Congress for failing to eliminate the filibuster and funding for Iraq and Afghanistan as well as a catalog of other failures. Standing up for what you supposedly believe in is always preferable to weaselly compromise.

It’s looking like it’s too much to HOPE that Obama will CHANGE and start acting like that guy on the campaign trail. I wonder what ever happened to him? That’s was the liberal I voted for.

I don’t know if you’re aware of this, but Obama is the one who appointed his Wall Street weighted economic team.

Obama is the one, yes he and himself, who chose to meet in closed door sessions with Big Pharma, and the big Insurance companies, and promise them that the public option would be not an option in reality, and that re-importation of drugs would be off the table.

Obama, is the one, yes he and himself only, who has tasked his Justice Department to assert plenary executive powers that exceeded the Bush Administration’s, and would have likely even made Dick Cheney blush.

Obama, is the one, yes he and himself only, who has escalated the Afghanistan War, far beyond what he alluded to in his campaign. It is he, who replaced McMeth, with the psycho-torture freak Patraeus, who consistently sidesteps Obama’s Commander in Chief status.

Obama, is the one, yes he and himself only, who conspired with BP to limit BP’s exposure to liability, and the Obama Administration’s culpability in the US’s worst environmental disaster. It is Obama, yes he and himself only, who threatened journalists with prosecution for simply trying to get information to Americans about the scope of the tragedy.

Obama, yes he and himself only, has asserted State’s Secrets to keep from judicial review, its assassination program that has included an American citizen.

And the sorry list goes on, and on, and on, and on, and on.

No one, corporate lobbyists, or anyone else has the power to force Obama’s hand on the above actions.

These things HE chose to do, HIMSELF, which speaks to his status as ANYTHING BUT, progressive.

truthops I am as frustrated with the pace of change as you. I agree that Obama could fought harder. I’m also frustrated that he has tried so hard to appease a group of people that clearly hate his guts. But as I’ve said before, Even though the Bush Gang were able to just mow over anyone who stood in their way and ignore the fact that at least half the population detested their policies does that mean that Obama should do that too, because that’s certainly what you seem to expect him to do. The Bush Gang and the neocons did it because they are fascists. They don’t believe in democracy so they don’t care what anyone else thinks. Do you want to ram your agenda down the throats of an unwilling (if uninformed) public? Then that says volumes about the kind of “progressive” you are too.

Do you not recognize the fact that since Obama has been president the Republicans have taken a vow to trip him up every single step of the way? Do you not even recognize that there is an opposing party with whom constitutionally he has to work? Were you not paying attention to how hard it was to get even the tinyest piece of legislation on health care passed not just the Republicans and their pressure group the tea baggers but also weak kneed “Blue Dog” democrats. Do you think you could have done better? Do you really blame the fact that the world is not yet your oyster all on Obama? Do you not care that you’re just playing into the hands of the Republicans, that your agenda’s – the defeat of Obama – are the same?

Sheesh!

pardon my amending my above post…

Instead of saying

In fact, if someone then dares to be consistent with principles that caused them to rightfully criticize the Bush Administration, by criticizing the Obama Administration for the same kind of Constitutional assaults on liberties, then you accuse that person of being an impostor.

I should have said “…same kind of assaults on Constitutional liberties…”

Otherwise, it sounds like I’m claiming that such assaults on liberties are nevertheless Constitutional, which of course would be absurd.

Thanks.

great point

truthops, here’s a little rule you can count on: Democracy is always slower than fascism.

Mr. President. Do you remeber Harry “the buck stops here” Truman. When the base is dis-satisified, you might look inward and compare your performance against your promises. Doing a 180 on your stated campaign positions just might be the cause of your disgruntled base.

Harry Truman integrated the military by Executive Order even though the brass hated the idea and the public was opposed, and even though the military had been segregated since 1776. Compare and contrast to the Obama DOJ filing homophobic briefs in court to keep kicking gays out of the military: Obama himself has discharged 700+, he could issue a “stop loss order” except he’s a wuss.

Obama ain’t no Truman, he’s more like Jimmy Carter.

Here’s something I read over on the comments section at AmericaBlog,that I believe is appropriate when it comes to the discussion of finger pointing / blame…

“The Obama administration promises one thing, then most-of-the-time does the exact opposite.

Gay Rights – “Promises to be a Fierce Advocate who then, in the case of Marriage Equality, Obama invokes incest and pedophilia to defend DOMA.

DADT: Obama DOJ to Judge: Keep enforcing DADT.

Health Care: Half measures as the Obama Health Care Plan Drops Public Option

Civil Rights: Our Constitutional Law-Professor-President one-ups the Bush administration by ordering the assassination of an American citizen.

Open Government: Said Assassin-in-Chief argues that his assassination program is a state secret – and immune to court oversight.

Separation of powers: President Obama has embraced the Bush policy of using signing statements to ignore the will of Congress.”

The Obama folks forever raise a touchof doubt and fture despair if we do not support the Obama meme, but why be so worried about a Republican administration when the current Democratic administration is systematically dismantling the Constitution

Keep pissing in the wind and railing against the evil producers of acid rain. Your arrogance and blather is entertaining but although not particularly insightful.

You did not politely disagree with me. You said my thinking was stoopid. While I think your thinking is stupid I didnt say that because its really not a way to have a productive discussion. I respect rawstory and its readers too much to get gully on here.

I understand you feel this election is so damn important however like I said before that still doesnt mean its ethical to insult every post that doesnt agree with you. Furthermore, I in no way shape or form told anybody on here not to vote! So if you didnt like what you call the no vote sentiment on here after you said what you had to say then you can and should politely leave. Im here to give my opinion. Not get into a flame war. If you dont agree with me guess what? Dont have to respond everyone of my posts. In fact I prefer if you didnt post to me at all.

Just because Im not voting doesnt mean I am trying to convince anybody else not to vote. If I do vote. Im voting green. You dont like that. Too damn bad!

The only slap in the face you will do is on the internet. If you had real balls you would be coming up with another solution other than voting for democats just because the republicans suck!

This site is for independents ok. Not democrats apologist. The difference between me and you is that I know that this is a ONE PARTY SYSTEM. It doesnt matter if you vote for democats but you can do whatever the hell you want. I could care less. And that is another difference between me and you.

Damn if progressives/independants cant vent on rawstory with like minded people. Come on! Why dont you take your crap to fox no news site and convince them to vote democat!

Like I said before insulting your base really isnt the best way to go about getting them to vote for you!

You are incredibly naiive if you think you would be preserving anything but the fascist rule that has overtaken our once-democratically governed constitutional republic. No one in Congress has written, read or done anything to create legislation for at least the last 12 years.

Corporate lawyers write the legislation. Corporations and banks, insurance companies, big food, pharma and defense contractors buy congressional/executive seats.

The mass propaganda machine once populated by journalists conducts phony/slanted/inflated polls to misportray how people genuinely feel about issues and candidates, often creating the fiction of “close” races so that Diebold can make certain that “close” races go to the candidate favored by the corpratocracy.

It was EASY and predictable to allow dems to take control of congress, just as it was EASY and predictable to know that the GOP were going to do everything they could to stop progressive legislation from gaining any headway. It was EASY and predictable to foretell that the Dems would cave under pressure. Why? Because Congress has been all theatre and no substance for years. These fucking morons don’t even read the legislation they are so handsomely paid to rubber stamp for their corporate masters. — and this is true REGARDLESS of party affiliation.

The Democrats have been doing the “ruling” class’ dirty work for decades, just as the GOP has.

Now the parties are Cheer versus Tide. No real difference at all.

The more crazies in the GOP that get into office at this point, the better. Let them hasten the demise of constitutional rule, of educated leaders, civility and govern instead based on their personal predilictions. As I stated earlier in this thread, by 2020 most Americans (those that haven’t moved on to freer and better lifestyles elsewhere in the world) who remain in the USA will have had enough of feudal rule to consider actually taking control by placing genuine progressives (i.e., people who value human needs, life, standard of living and their fellow human beings more than money.

It’s a cycle. We are going through what could be considered a new Dark Age. What follows after will be better than the first Renaissance.

But you gotta break eggs to make that omlette.

I gave u a like because I totally agree with you!

However you need to read my original post above and what I was responding to.

Bush did everything he wanted in the first four years of his presidency. And he would have whether 9/11 had happened or not. He instituted further groundwork (continuing Clinton’s vast expansion of the police state) for the banking takover of the country.

Preznit Stepnfetchit is just continuing the fine tradition, started by Woodrow Wilson, of selling the American people down the river. This ongoing wholesale betrayal of people was interrupted briefly by the aristocratic FDR who recognized that the continuing disenfranchisement and bankrupting of the middle class would cause an all-out class war including bloody corpses and violence in the streets (one which, regardless of where it occurs, is always LOST by the wealthy) and therefore pushed the New Deal through. The New Deal did little more than stop the ongoing bleeding and attempt to restore through SS/Medicare, some of the national wealth that had been stolen during the 29 crash.

All stock market crashes are timed, and none is accidental.

It’s all about rich versus poor. Right now, there is a process ongoing to transfer 95% of the world’s wealth to about 14 families worldwide. Hopefully, since the wealthy are overreaching this time on a global scale, backlash will be global.

Vive la France!

Delete one from the like count of your post, as I accidentally hit it.

I’m really amazed at your disingenuous bullshit.

You act as if he sent Rahm Emmanuel to meet with the Progressive Caucus in the House of Representatives to cheer them on.

You act as if, Obama was instructing Harry Reid to forgo the unprecedented granting of procedural filibusters, as vowing to fight back against the Republicans who would “vow to trip him up every single step of the way”

Did you not even recognize, how the tiniest piece of legislation proposed, just a few pages long, was completely censored from the debate in both the House and Senate.

Did you not even recognize, much less even notice, in the opening days of the onslaught of lobbyists from the Medical Industrial Complex, that Chairman Baucus kept a round the clock vigil of Corporate hacks streaming through his office?

Did you not recognize, much less even notice, that poll after poll, showed the public option enjoying a wide margin of public support, but the Democratic Leadership was more enthralled with the pathetic town hall busting teabagger disruptions in the Blue Dog districts, instead of emphasizing the ultimate corporate sponsorship behind those disruptions.

You seem to decry fascism, but do you have the first clue, that Obama, and a large swath of the Democratic Party are indeed essentially owned by the very corporations whose lobby, absolutely got what they wanted out of the “even the tinyest piece of legislation on health care passed”?

It is clear, that your beloved Obama and Wall Street are the clear winners here.

It is also clear, that the betrayal of the middle class by the Democratic Party, since the DLC has defined its power center, is completely lost on you.

Without Bill Clinton’s support, and ultimate passing of NAFTA, GATT, and the WTO, the exportation of good paying jobs started, and accelerated throughout Clinton’s Administration, and continues to this day. Meanwhile, most Democrats have absolutely sat on their hands, and watched this happen.

Bill Clinton signed the Telco Act of 1996 into law, which allowed for the first time, rapid consolidation of ownership of media, which in turn, gave great advantage to the huge media companies, that find it in their best interest, corporate dominance in governance (i.e. a form of fascism, that you decry)

Bill Clinton, signed the biggest piece of deregulation of the Banking and Financial Services industry, by signing Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999, which in part, eliminated Glass-Stegal.

Arguably, had that act not been signed by Clinton, and had not been championed by Rubin, and Summers whom with Clinton sided, the financial collapse might not ever have occurred.

If that wasn’t enough of a bulwark around the emerging undemocratic power paradigm of corporate dominance of governance at odds with the non-informed or duly informed majority of American’s interests, then the signing of the Commodity Futures Modernization Act in 2000 certainly was.

As far as Bush ramming down the throats of Americans policies that the majority didn’t support, I would just correct you by saying, that without Democrats voting with Republicans, the Iraq War Resolution wouldn’t have passed. At the time, a clear majority of Americans were against an invasion.

Why didn’t Democrat Tom Daschel stand up for the majority of Americans, by refusing to capitulate to the ramming-down-the-throat Bush, by agreeing to hold the Senate vote before the Senate recess at the time? So much for the fighting Democrats.

I highly doubt, given the tenor of your remarks, that you have the first clue, as to the policies asserted by Obama, through the actions of his DOJ, where it ultimately concerns yours and my rights under the Constitution.

The very same type, and in some instances worse, actions that surely you rightfully decried when such policies were asserted and carried out by the Bush Administration.

As for the Democratic Party’s chance to stand against the crimes of the Bush Administration. Perhaps you have forgotten that Nancy Pelosi, drove the Bush Administration’s getaway car, from the scene of the crime having taken this nation to a war completely based on cooked up intelligence. A true conspiracy to commit the absolute worst crime.

Perhaps, you have forgotten, that once Obama took office, all of his rhetoric about the rule of law during his campaign, was shown to be just what it was, a con job. He had absolutely no intention of holding any Bush Administration, Republican Administration, accountable for its crimes.

Why do you love Republicans so much Byron?

I’ll skip most of your sophomoric rhetorical splattering of questions in your last paragraph, as it is on the level of nanner nanner nanner, that I just parroted in the above rhetorical question to you.

I will however, answer to this one…

You spew…

“Do you not care that you’re just playing into the hands of the Republicans, that your agenda’s – the defeat of Obama – are the same?”

Well Byron, do you not care that you’re just playing into the principles and policies of governance akin to rule by Republicans, by continuing to support the lesser of two evils as the former increasingly becomes the latter? By supporting Obama, why do you play into the hands of the Republicans, who would like nothing more than see the Constitution’s rights against illegal searches and seizures disappear. Why do you support and Administration, that absolutely has systematically pushed aside the progressive majority of House and Senate members, and instead buttressed the power of the Republican minorities by pushing coalitions of so-called Centrist Democrats with obstructionist Republicans who then utilize the convenience of the unprecedented granting of the procedural filibuster by Harry Reid?

Why do you love Republican style rule so much Byron?

What exactly IS your real agenda. It certainly doesn’t appear to be on the side of those who seek to protect the Constitutional guarantees of freedom.

PLEASE explain to me how blaming progressives/liberals for Democratic losses HELPS Democrats and or the Obama administration?

WHO is the audience that blaming progressives/liberals for Democratic losses would APPEAL to? Establishment Republicans? Tea Partiers? Right Wing Conservatives? Blue Dog Democrats? Moderates? Independents? Young voters?

If the Obama White House believes that Democrats will lose the majority in the House and or the Senate, how does blaming progressives/liberals IMPROVE the political prospects of Democrats and or Obama? Doesn’t blaming progressives/liberals DAMAGE the prospects of Democrats qnd or Obama?

Is the White House trying to save face at the EXPENSE of the future prospects of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY?

ISN’T THAT ABSOLUTELY INSANE POLITICALLY? ISN’T THAT SELF-DEFEATING?

Why isn’t the Obama White House blaming Blue Dog corporate Democrats or Democrats like Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln, Mary Landrieu and the traitor Joe Lieberman for Democratic loses? Where is the logic/common sense/fairness/intelligence in criticizing the people who got out the vote that got him elected instead of the people who are literally BLOCKING the passage of Democratic legislation?

really, does anyone with a brain care what any democrat or republican says? they are simply a malignant obstruction, to avoid any contact with, or any support given, towards their survival.

John Stewart said it best—Obama campaigned as a visionary and has governed as a functionary. His motto has seemed to be that he’s willing to take half a loaf. But he has consistently started from the bargaining position of half a loaf and then negotiates from there.
Bottom line, despite the populist rhetoric, he was bought and paid for by the financial industry. Otherwise, we would have had Howard Dean, Paul Krugman and Russ Feingold as our chief of Staff, Treasury Secretary and Sec of State rather than the 3 Corporate Stooges we have now.

I said at the beginning of my last post that I feel as frustrated as you at the slow pace of change, but now I see that I was wrong. Wrong to think that you ever supported Obama. In fact wrong to think you ever supported a Democrat. I gauge that because of your tangent about Bill Clinton which I won’t address except to say that the repeal of the Glass/Stegall act was Republican Phil Gramm’s baby (you conveniently left that little bit of trivia out of your rant).

http://www.google.com/url?q=http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/29/the-gramm-connection/

Clinton signed it at the very end of his term in a typical go along to get along Democratic compromise. Sorry, you’re not going to sell me that line that it was the Democrats that were the big deregulators. Republicans are deregulation defined, damn the consequences.

Do you not remember that Obama repeatedly told voters that there were “no shortcuts”. “no quick fixes” to a mess that were many years in the making? That it wasn’t going to be fixed overnight and maybe not even for years? So how can people, just two years, later act as if they did not vote for Obama knowing full well what he said?

About blaming the Democrats for the Iraq war. Maybe you’ve forgotten, but I haven’t that immediately after 9/11, which left the nation stunned (whoever was actually behind it) Bush RAMMED the emergency of going to war immediately down the throats of congress. If they didn’t act now they were essentially aiding and abetting the enemy. They were rushed into it. A lot of Democrats defied Bush bust some bent under pressure. Many have since expressed deep regret for that decision.

http://www.democrats.com/node/6890
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/30/card-discredits-rove/

Aboutt he accidental “like” were you trying to like your own post?

Obama was the ultimate Trojan Horse. He campaigned on hope and change and brought us Bush’s third term. He is a REPUBLICAN and don’t you forget it. All he has done is deride the progressvie base who got him elected all the while seeking “bipartisanship support” for his agenda, knowing full well the rethugs would never join him. He is single handedly destroying the democratic party. He ran directly right once in office and has shown he is another schill for corporate interests and the military industrial complex. He disgusts me and I voter for him.

Our leaders have been out there since the win, keeping the momentum going. They didn’t just fold up and let the Repugs who were on the ropes, LEAD AGAIN WITH THEIR MESSAGES. Why even the Dems running now are distancing themselves from Obama. THAT”S UNITY!!! I voted, and gave money,and I FAILED??? Really!!! Where is the BIG money behind our views (Bill Billionaire Clinton)????? Politics is a joke and we the people aren’t laughing.

I failed after voting and donating?? Where were our leaders keeping up the momentum? Dems running now distance themselves from Obama, where’s our party UNITY??!! Where are our Billionaires that can build up our cause (Bill Billionaire Clinton)!!!! Politics now is a joke and we the people aren’t laughing!!!!!

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Not to worry !!!

ACORN will get the vote out !

OH ! WAIT!

Obama wouldn’t lift a finger …

Thank you Sir, anytime you wish to demonstrate the superiority of your intellect against mine……

He is a fucking war criminal like Bush and Cheney,he is implementing the same policies, even worst. You may want to believe he is a different or lesser evil, and you have the right to do so, but that doesn’t make it true

that was exactly what I was going to post, and the wonderful support from Obama and Clinton for the likes of Blanche Lincoln and Holy Joe Lieberman and the Obama hands to bring in Repugs , well that is one big reason I will not support a Dem ticket again…..and of course we still are at wars and killing people, but we do seem to have monies for that and Israel .Now off to Iran, let the fun begin.

You are a nOOb but you are starting to get on my nerves. How much of a nitwit can you be?..If you keep on labeling everyone a “Republican” just because they disagree with you, someone is going to wipe your face with your own droppings…clean up your act Kid, this is a free forum.people have the right to their own opinions,don’t act like a 15 yr old bully, you don’t have what it takes.Be civil.

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Honest to God, what a bunch of fucking cry-babies. Sure none of us got all we wanted, but we got improvements on the status-quo. The Repubs fought everything, the conservadems sucked and Lieberman was/is a snake. Obama should have been much tougher, but seems to be learning. Now lets suck it up and go vote to keep the Repubs from taking over either house so that we can continue to make SOME progress. VOTE Democratic!!

“Obama takes his base for granted, but fires Shirley Sherrod on the mere thought she might be a topic for Glenn Beck, just one example of many in a pattern of capitulating to the wacky right by poking his loyal constituents right in the eye.”

What makes your example even more infuriating is just how much spine President Obama showed when it looked like Ben Bernanke would be denied another term running the Federal Reserve, as Senators started hinting that they’d vote against Bernanke’s renomination. Obama cracked heads and twisted arms.

And Bernanke got another term running the Fed.

Obama’s willing to fight strong and hard, just not for liberal/progressive causes, although he has been surprisingly consistent in a positive way regarding the stupidity of extending the Bush Jr/Cheney tax cuts for those already at the top of the financial ladder.

And rewarding Sen. Palpatine Lieberman with his oh-so-precious DHS Committee Chairmanship after actively campaigning against Obama and the Dems in 2008, with the reasoning of “Lieberman now owes Obama and the Dems big time, they’ve got him by the balls”, was an act of supreme strategic stupidity.

Lieberman showed his gratitude by weakening, not strengthening, the bill so that fewer, rather than more, people were covered.

The Democrats had a chance to put a stake through the GOP, and instead gave the Republicans as much tender loving care as possible.

That’s the irrational reality we face with our political system at the federal level, we can only choose between one party with a base of teabaggers, militia malcontents, secession-loving loonies, Confederacy and historical revisionists, and outright racists vs a party of cowards and corporatist lackeys, with both parties now apparently believing our Constitution protects, and more applies to, corporations rather than we the people.

While I can similiarities between Carter beliefs and what Obama professes to believe but Obama is nothing like Carter. Carter walks the walk and talks the talk while Obama is all talk and no action.

Carter is a true blue liberal who wrote a book titled, “Palestine Peace Not Apartheid”

Carter also helped bring a peace agreement with Isreal and Egypt and tried to decrease America dependance on foreign oil.

Check out what Carter has to say about American politics two party system then and now.

This op-ed by former U.S. President Jimmy Carter was published in the Sept. 29, 2010 issue of USA Today.

http://www.cartercenter.org/news/editorials_speeches/tea-party-092910.html

Actually I think most Americans would want the public option rammed down their throats if it meant the bill would get passed.

btw, America is not a democracy. It is a fascists regime. Feel free to look up the word.

Carter and Obama are both 1 term wimps and losers

Byron, if I could I would take my vote back from Obama, the Great Pretender, in a heartbeat.

I WAS, a life-long Democrat, until I changed my registration status to Independent several months ago, after the health care debacle for me was the last straw.

The very first election that I was old enough to vote in, I voted for Jimmy Carter.

I subsequently voted for Bill Clinton, but had opposed him in the primaries because of his support of NAFTA, which had been signed into law by George Bush 1, in December of his last term. Clinton pushed for its passage persuading Democrats to join with the majority of Republicans who supported its passage.

I voted for Bill Clinton, for his second term.

I voted for Al Gore.

I voted for Obama, I’m sorry to say.

I’ve also voted by and large for Democrats, and a few Green and Peace and Freedom party candidates.

I’ve written scores of letters over the years, phone banked, been a contributing member of MoveOn, and in general for all of that time, was indeed an apologist for the imperfections of the Democratic Party, and a proponent of the lesser of two evils doctrine.

I now acknowledge supporting the current duopoly of corporate power parading as democracy, is supporting the Evil of Two Lessers, so to speak.

Yes, according to my current world view in regards to the political realities of the day, I have sinned.

Pointing out, that the repeal of Glass-Stegal was Phil Gramm’s baby, as if by leaving that out I was somehow dodging the truth, shows how little you understand about the dynamic of Clinton’s economic team at the time, and its passage through the House and Senate. The first vote in the process of it becoming legislation happened in May of 1999 when it originally passed the Senate. Between then, and its final passage in November of 1999, Democratic opposition had been whittled down to nearly zip in the Senate, and a handful of Democratic holdouts in the House. During that process, Bill Clinton with his economic team flanked by Rubin and Summers were actively lobbying Democratic members of Congress to support it.

Here is a quote from Bill Clinton, defending the law. You know, the one that Krugman rightfully calls Phil Grahmm’s baby, and that I rightfully point out that Bill Clinton himself sought passage of.

“I don’t see that signing that bill had anything to do with the current crisis. Indeed, one of the things that has helped stabilize the current situation as much as it has is the purchase of Merrill Lynch by Bank of America, which was much smoother than it would have been if I hadn’t signed that bill…. On the Glass-Steagall thing, like I said, if you could demonstrate to me that it was a mistake, I’d be glad to look at the evidence.”

There are many references to Bill Clinton’s recent acknowledgment that the FSMA of 1999 had some shall we say, issues.

here is one such reference at

http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2010/08/13/opinion/doc4c648914821e0397431366.txt

from that article,

“Clinton is on record stating that he got bad advice from Rubin and his handpicked successor, Lawrence Summers, on derivatives regulation. “On derivatives, yeah, I think they were wrong and I think I was wrong to take it,” Clinton told ABC News in April.”

“Rubin and Summers were responsible for forcing Brooksley Born out of the Clinton administration because, as chairwoman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, she had the temerity to suggest regulating the mortgage-backed securities that proved to be so toxic. Rubin and Summers instead pushed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which Clinton signed in his last month in office. It categorically exempted those suspect derivatives from any government regulation.”

Clinton, after all signed the damn bill right? Robert Rubin championed the deregulation right? Clinton as late as 2008 was still defending the bill, but “you conveniently left that little bit of trivia out of your rant.”

If Republicans are deregulation defined, then that makes Bill Clinton according to your definition, part Republican right?

You write,

“Do you not remember that Obama repeatedly told voters that there were “no shortcuts”. “no quick fixes” to a mess that were many years in the making? That it wasn’t going to be fixed overnight and maybe not even for years? So how can people, just two years, later act as if they did not vote for Obama knowing full well what he said? ”

I remember that yes, but those are just generalities. Who the hell is crazy enough to think everything would be fixed overnight? That is not part of my critique.

Those of us, who are just completely fed up with the Democrats, have seen its current leadership, and power center, defined by the very same corporate back room dealings that “progressives” like you, have been rightfully criticizing.

Barack Obama epitomizes that Corporate shilling, and one need look no further, than the way his Administration, and the current leadership of the Democratic Party, formulated that monstrosity of a bill which is a huge giveaway to Big Pharma, and the Big Insurers. Also, his economic team is evidence of his true colors of corporate controlled governance, unless of course you know absolutely zip about his economic team.

You also, seem to have zero sensitivity to the “rule of law” championing during the campaign. So much for that right? As soon as he got into office, he made it abundantly clear that he had absolutely no interest whatsoever in holding any Bush Administration accountable.

In regard to blaming the Democrats for the Iraq war. I of course blame, the Bush Administration primarily for that war. Duh.

I point out, a specific act by a Democratic leader at the time, namely Tom Daschle who had an historic opportunity, and indeed the power to slow down that very rush to war that you absolve fully Democrats from any blame at all.

The UN inspectors were set to go back into Iraq, after Iraq had agreed to allow inspections to prove it didn’t have any WMD. There was immense pressure by the Bush Administration on Daschle to hold the resolution vote prior to the upcoming scheduled recess, knowing that a month later, stories of inspectors turning up nothing in Iraq could likely influence the vote. Daschle finally folded, and the vote went forward, to a bad result. The reason why the Bush Administration desperately needed that vote to happen fast, was they could see the political winds turning more against immediate military action.

Tom Daschle, Democratic Senate Majority Leader, greased the wheels of the Bush Administration’s rush to war.

You speak of that resolution as happening immediately after 9/11, which is not the case. It was over a year later, and after months and months of a steady drumbeat of propaganda that was itself evidence the Administration was hellbent on war.

The Democratic Party’s leadership failed the American people, by not aggressively pointing out the various false claims, that were at that time demonstrable as such.

And after all was said and done, and after it was widely accepted that the nation was indeed led to war by an Administration lying to the American people, what does a duly elected Democratic Speaker of the House do? She promises, that criminal administration, that Democrats will never hold them responsible for the crimes against our Constitution, our people, and humanity.

Regarding the accidental like, I hit the like button instead of the reply button, when replying to your post.

I forgot to include this information, regarding NAFTA. NAFTA was signed into law, but still had to be ratified by the legislatures of the three countries. Bill Clinton built the coalition of Democrats and Republicans for its final passage. So, as such, the warnings of those of us on the Professional Left at the time, warning about the race to the bottom, and how jobs were going to be leaving the country, went unheeded.

You misunderstand my post.

I was referring to a post by Byron from above, who crossed the line of incivility, that you errantly lay down before me.

Byron said of people criticizing Obama, relative to the content of the article, the following…

Again, the following in quotes is from Byron, from an above post that I was alluding to, warning Pagasae, that with his criticisms of Obama, he might be labeled a Republican BY BYRON! NOT ME FOR GOD’S SAKE.

QUOTE……FROM BYRON

“What the White House has not apparently recognized is that many or most of those “whiny” liberal voices are most definitely coming from the right wing. There is an army of posers and fakes out there, Republican’s in Democrats clothing posting on the internet pretending to be disenchanted Democrats that plan to stay home this coming election. They whine about the failure to get a public option, they wail about Gitmo, when in reality all they are really trying to do is build up a negative momentum, to create a bandwagon of crybabies all refusing to see the reality that you can’t just go to Washington and wave a magic wand to make almost a decade of horrible policies go away”

I apologize for the CAPS, but you see, you got on my nerves.

You accused me of keeping on “labeling everyone a “Republican” just because they disagree with” me, when nothing is further from the truth.

In some of the back and forth I’ve had with Byron, I’ve turned the tables on his criticism of me, as he labeled ME a Republican, like he labeled EVERYONE on this forum who criticizes Obama.

You, kid, owe me an apology.

I suggest you read a little more carefully posts, or threads, before you reply with your ad hominem, sophomoric, veiled threat based bullshit.

You do understand the words, excellent, and hapless, no?

Wow, Sorry for hurting your feeling baby boy, what are you planning next, suing me for emotional distress?…..

I am a 21 yr old chick and I can handle the heat, if you are such thin skin, I suggest you to stay away until you reach puberty…..

“You, kid, owe me an apology”

No I don’t, but because I am fair and smart enough to recognize when I am wrong,I will apologize, if you are willing to admit that I am indeed “fair & smart enough to recognize…”.

You don’t have the decency to acknowledge your error.

I would say you are way behind the level of maturity expected of a 21 year old “chick”.

Who the fuck are you?. some prepubescent who attends Star Teck conventions dressed up in Leotard & wearing ear extensions ?. Consider yourself lucky I am giving you your 5 minutes of fame……

“I would say you are way behind the level of maturity expected of a 21 year old “chick”.

Wow, this was very offensive,are you trying to hurt my feeling?.

You accused me of something I didn’t do. End of story. You can’t deal with facts. And, frankly, you’re a fucking bitch.

Wow, now you’re getting so original. No one ever accused me of being a “fucking bitch” before,Lol

Not bad for someone who pretends to represent the beautiful virtues of liberalism, Good old prejudices are hard to kick, isn’t it?

But don’t sweat, dear peace loving tree hugging humanistic compassionate little fellow, I wont accuse you of being a misogynistic pig,lol. I am not one of those victimized feminists

1) I am certainly a bitch but not the type of bitch you can afford
2) I fuck, but this is the cruel part of the story for you, I fuck chicks only……

The only wasted vote is the vote cast to let christian corporate war criminals “represent YOU”. Obomber is not “fighting”…. he is whining. Fighting is what he shoulda woulda coulda done before now.

What really ticks me off—are those who wept on Election night after Obama was named, who showed up by the millions for his inauguaration, who were elated that racial barriers finally seemed to have been broken, who then Lost Patience after a few months ! Who thought he would glide in there and immediately things would get better. I did not like his constant attempts to get the Republicans to climb on board and think of country first—but how else could he do anything without them. I was nervous when he appeared to be trying to take on too much all at once. But I never figured that in 20 months, he could fix this terrible mess he was left. We were told from DAY ONE, this would be a Jobless Recovery. What part of that did everyone miss? My own daughter was out of a job for 15 months and we were right on the brink of selling her house at a loss and moving her into our’s, when she managed to find one at about 3/4 of what she was making before. At least she got some health coverage for her and her son. It IS time for the Left, the center and even those on the right who voted for a better alternative to more Republcian ruin—to realize—NEVER FORGET, NEVER GO BACK. Do Not take us back into what broke us. Not voting, or voting for 3rd parties, is NOT the solution. Climb back on board and let’s see what the next two years brings, before you are so quick to let the Right have their way with us, the country, the Constitution again.

You group of people—wanting to trash Obama because you say he has not delivered, or that he is right wing leaning, or whatever—-Need to go over to Politifacts and check out the Promises he made, those that have been kept in 20 months, those in the works, those ‘stalled’ due to obstruction. There are those Presidential historians out there, already saying what Obama has already done compares to FDR, and his legacy will be a good one. I don’t know what it is you think he should be doing, but with what he was tossed, he is doing pretty damn good! Some day, you will look back at your own impatience with him, and feel sheepish.

If you have kids or grandkids—-think of their future, and try and help this President, not fight him.

I think this is way over most people’s heads.

Acorn was ambushed by the right. Videos were altered and edited to make it appear they were doing what they shouldn’t have done. The sycophants in Congress caved to the right wing nuts demands and allowed ACORN to be vilified. A truly sad moment in our history.

You’re absolutely right Pam. Thing is, a good chunk of these people are fake “progressives”, they’re actually Republicans posting as disillusioned Democrats who plan to “sit this election” out or go with a third party. They’re hoping lots of other progressives will jump on board their whiny bandwagon thus ensuring a Reuglican victory.

If you really look at these posts Pam, look at the vicious way a lot of these so-called progressives talk about Obama, it becomes apparent that they are not progressives at all. They are wolves in progressive’s clothing. Trojan horses.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Bivings_Group

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/rulings/promise-broken/

Did you notice while there, whitey, that Promises kept, and in the works FAR outnumber those that he has not kept? And of course, those labeled ‘stalled”, we KNOW the reason for thos—The Party of NO is at it again!

Did it ever occur to you that maybe the real people that voted for Obama are disillusioned. I don’t consider myself a Progressive – since it is a fake term – I am full-blown liberal – left as they come….

You can keep posting that people who are unhappy are fake… You can ding me 100 times – I voiced my grief at Bush and will voice my disappointment with Obama – he doesn’t get a pass just because he is a Dem or a Liberal. He is held to a higher standard in fact by me. He should be better than Bush.

I know what promises he has kept or rather Half-kept. Read my other posts you will see that most of what we got was nothing for the poor of this country. HealthCare – not – rather an income stream for Insurance companies. Where will a minimum wage earner find the money to BUY insurance that is mandatory in 2014. They will have to choose between food or a roof over their head. Check that fact, even the pools now available are $400 to $900 a MONTH – that is a MONTH not a year. There are no restrictions on what insurance companies can charge – you think they are going to give “pre-exisiting condition” policies at the same price they issue regular policies – NOT. So sure we can all have insurance now – if we can afford it – if we can’t we can pay a fine to the government. That is a promise broken…not kept.

Here’s another clue Pam. This is from a Democracy Now interview called [http://www.democracynow.org/2008/1/8/how_to_rig_an_election_convicted How to Rig an Election: Convicted Former GOP Operative Details 2002 New Hampshire Phone Jamming Scheme]

“Another example might be, you know, if you’re a Republican, calling into what you’ve identified as a Green Party leaning household and encouraging them to vote for the Green Party, because more than likely, that household is going to be a Democratic-voting household if they’re not a Green Party household. So, essentially, you’re polarizing, you’re dividing, and that’s how you win in politics. I mean, this is a—as I said earlier, this is not about morality, this is about winning, but winning in a way that you stay on the right side of the law, which, again, as your listeners know, is something I violated and paid a stiff price for. But nonetheless, the idea is, to win, you need 50% plus one, that means half the electorate plus one vote. And sometimes it’s not even a majority, sometimes it’s just a plurality. So this is about polarization. It is about division, and it is about wedge issues.

As an aside, I also am disappointed at the slow and lackluster pace of change (though it’s a damn sight better than anything the RepubliCANTS would do), but right now the Dems are the only game in town with an agenda that is mostly progressive. A vote for any other party for the big candidates is essentially a vote for the Repuglicans. I do hope that people will form a new party along the lines of the Greens (sans the most divisive elements) and that people will move en masse to that party, but that time isn’t now.

see, this is what just a little bit of knowledge is like. If you REALLY are interested in the Health Reform , then please go to some of the many sites that outline exactly how it will work. There will be SUBSIDIES based on ability to pay. That is why the Pool is being set up, too.

What do you see WRONG with 50 Million uninsured people getting insured? For the first time—people going to ER’s for their care, that ends up costing us with insurance more will be eliminated. People who now wait till their illness is too far gone, before seeing care, ultimately costing us all more will be gone. Pre Natal care will take care of the premature births.

You seem like a somewhat intelligent person—
WHY not check out the facts?

It appears it is you that must check out the facts. I see nothing wrong with uninsured getting insurance – nothing. In fact it is one of the main reasons I voted for Obama – I thought with a majority in Congress we could finally get help for people who really needed it. What I got was a boom to the Insurance Industry – no regulation about what they can charge. Do you know anyone who is making minimum wage that can pay $300 to $600 a month for insurance – this is a fact http://www.pciplan.com/applicants/states/DC.html. It is worse in other states.

No I didn’t say people who are unhappy are fake. If you red my posts I said that a lot of people posting are fake in my opinion, not all. If you read the posts you’ll see barely restrained racism. Seething hate. One guy the other day at the end of his ‘disappointed in Obama’ post called him a “shoe shine boy”. That’s tea-bagger Republican. People who care about social justice issues don’t say the things these people do.

I consider myself among the disillusioned as well, why is that ridiculous war still going on? Why didn’t Obama push harder for a public option. Why are are privacy rights still being invaded? etc. But on the other hand I’m not blind to what’s going on. First off, the Bush Gang left Obama with one gigantic mess, one they knew it would be almost impossible for him to fix, or fix soon. They made a vow at the very start to oppose him any way they can. I’ve read their declarations. They hate Obama with red hot hated. They have no morality, it’s all about winning. It’s all about sticking it to those groups they despise. It’s unfortunate but right now the Dems are the only game in town with a somewhat progressive agenda that has any chance of winning. I hope after the elections that changes, but it would have to be a big change over.

Well said Byron…

Just wish Obama could say it the same way rather than pointing fingers at those of us who support him and still want him and Congress to do better.

THIS is why I told you to go and educate yourself before making comments. First of all, the portion of the plan that said no more Pre-Ex, took place 9-23-10 ! THAT is why some companies came out with these plans, BUT——–the Insurance exchange—which people can either keep their own, or go into, does not become created until 2014 ! THEN, depending on income, will be subsidized in the plan !! You really think those families now, with a kid with cerebral palsy, or who have been diagnosed with Cancer, would not READILY buy a plan like the one you post—than pay thousands of dollars per month for their condition???

Go to:
http://www.healthcare.gov

or http://www.americansunitedforchange.org

READ !!!

Here’s another little tidbit to help you understand—-This WAS a f**** big deal.

ways reform provides security and stability to those with or without coverage

Ends Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions: Insurance companies will be prohibited from refusing you coverage because of your medical history.
Ends Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays: Insurance companies will have to abide by yearly caps on how much they can charge for out-of-pocket expenses.
Ends Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care: Insurance companies must fully cover, without charge, regular checkups and tests that help you prevent illness, such as mammograms or eye and foot exams for diabetics.
Ends Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill: Insurance companies will be prohibited from dropping or watering down insurance coverage for those who become seriously ill.
Ends Gender Discrimination: Insurance companies will be prohibited from charging you more because of your gender.
Ends Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage: Insurance companies will be prevented from placing annual or lifetime caps on the coverage you receive.
Extends Coverage for Young Adults: Children would continue to be eligible for family coverage through the age of 26.
Guarantees Insurance Renewal: Insurance companies will be required to renew any policy as long as the policyholder pays their premium in full. Insurance companies won’t be allowed to refuse renewal because someone became sick.
Learn more and get details: http://www.WhiteHouse.gov/health-insurance-consumer-protections/

8 common myths about health insurance reform
Reform will stop “rationing” – not increase it: It’s a myth that reform will mean a “government takeover” of health care or lead to “rationing.” To the contrary, reform will forbid many forms of rationing that are currently being used by insurance companies.
We can’t afford reform: It’s the status quo we can’t afford. It’s a myth that reform will bust the budget. To the contrary, the President has identified ways to pay for the vast majority of the up-front costs by cutting waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs; ending big subsidies to insurance companies; and increasing efficiency with such steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork. In the long term, reform can help bring down costs that will otherwise lead to a fiscal crisis.
Reform would encourage “euthanasia”: It does not. It’s a malicious myth that reform would encourage or even require euthanasia for seniors. For seniors who want to consult with their family and physicians about end-of life decisions, reform will help to cover these voluntary, private consultations for those who want help with these personal and difficult family decisions.
Vets’ health care is safe and sound: It’s a myth that health insurance reform will affect veterans’ access to the care they get now. To the contrary, the President’s budget significantly expands coverage under the VA, extending care to 500,000 more veterans who were previously excluded. The VA Healthcare system will continue to be available for all eligible veterans.
Reform will benefit small business – not burden it: It’s a myth that health insurance reform will hurt small businesses. To the contrary, reform will ease the burdens on small businesses, provide tax credits to help them pay for employee coverage and help level the playing field with big firms who pay much less to cover their employees on average.
Your Medicare is safe, and stronger with reform: It’s myth that Health Insurance Reform would be financed by cutting Medicare benefits. To the contrary, reform will improve the long-term financial health of Medicare, ensure better coordination, eliminate waste and unnecessary subsidies to insurance companies, and help to close the Medicare “doughnut” hole to make prescription drugs more affordable for seniors.
You can keep your own insurance: It’s myth that reform will force you out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors. To the contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them.
No, government will not do anything with your bank account: It is an absurd myth that government will be in charge of your bank accounts. Health insurance reform will simplify administration, making it easier and more convenient for you to pay bills in a method that you choose. Just like paying a phone bill or a utility bill, you can pay by traditional check, or by a direct electronic payment. And forms will be standardized so they will be easier to understand. The choice is up to you – and the same rules of privacy will apply as they do for all other electronic payments that people make.

THIS is why I told you to go and educate yourself before making comments. First of all, the portion of the plan that said no more Pre-Ex, took place 9-23-10 ! THAT is why some companies came out with these plans, BUT——–the Insurance exchange—which people can either keep their own, or go into, does not become created until 2014 ! THEN, depending on income, will be subsidized in the plan !! You really think those families now, with a kid with cerebral palsy, or who have been diagnosed with Cancer, would not READILY buy a plan like the one you post—than pay thousands of dollars per month for their condition???

Go to:
http://www.healthcare.gov

or http://www.americansunitedforchange.org

READ !!!

Here’s another little tidbit to help you understand—-This WAS a f**** big deal.

ways reform provides security and stability to those with or without coverage

Ends Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions: Insurance companies will be prohibited from refusing you coverage because of your medical history.
Ends Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays: Insurance companies will have to abide by yearly caps on how much they can charge for out-of-pocket expenses.
Ends Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care: Insurance companies must fully cover, without charge, regular checkups and tests that help you prevent illness, such as mammograms or eye and foot exams for diabetics.
Ends Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill: Insurance companies will be prohibited from dropping or watering down insurance coverage for those who become seriously ill.
Ends Gender Discrimination: Insurance companies will be prohibited from charging you more because of your gender.
Ends Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage: Insurance companies will be prevented from placing annual or lifetime caps on the coverage you receive.
Extends Coverage for Young Adults: Children would continue to be eligible for family coverage through the age of 26.
Guarantees Insurance Renewal: Insurance companies will be required to renew any policy as long as the policyholder pays their premium in full. Insurance companies won’t be allowed to refuse renewal because someone became sick.
Learn more and get details: http://www.WhiteHouse.gov/health-insurance-consumer-protections/

8 common myths about health insurance reform
Reform will stop “rationing” – not increase it: It’s a myth that reform will mean a “government takeover” of health care or lead to “rationing.” To the contrary, reform will forbid many forms of rationing that are currently being used by insurance companies.
We can’t afford reform: It’s the status quo we can’t afford. It’s a myth that reform will bust the budget. To the contrary, the President has identified ways to pay for the vast majority of the up-front costs by cutting waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs; ending big subsidies to insurance companies; and increasing efficiency with such steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork. In the long term, reform can help bring down costs that will otherwise lead to a fiscal crisis.
Reform would encourage “euthanasia”: It does not. It’s a malicious myth that reform would encourage or even require euthanasia for seniors. For seniors who want to consult with their family and physicians about end-of life decisions, reform will help to cover these voluntary, private consultations for those who want help with these personal and difficult family decisions.
Vets’ health care is safe and sound: It’s a myth that health insurance reform will affect veterans’ access to the care they get now. To the contrary, the President’s budget significantly expands coverage under the VA, extending care to 500,000 more veterans who were previously excluded. The VA Healthcare system will continue to be available for all eligible veterans.
Reform will benefit small business – not burden it: It’s a myth that health insurance reform will hurt small businesses. To the contrary, reform will ease the burdens on small businesses, provide tax credits to help them pay for employee coverage and help level the playing field with big firms who pay much less to cover their employees on average.
Your Medicare is safe, and stronger with reform: It’s myth that Health Insurance Reform would be financed by cutting Medicare benefits. To the contrary, reform will improve the long-term financial health of Medicare, ensure better coordination, eliminate waste and unnecessary subsidies to insurance companies, and help to close the Medicare “doughnut” hole to make prescription drugs more affordable for seniors.
You can keep your own insurance: It’s myth that reform will force you out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors. To the contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them.
No, government will not do anything with your bank account: It is an absurd myth that government will be in charge of your bank accounts. Health insurance reform will simplify administration, making it easier and more convenient for you to pay bills in a method that you choose. Just like paying a phone bill or a utility bill, you can pay by traditional check, or by a direct electronic payment. And forms will be standardized so they will be easier to understand. The choice is up to you – and the same rules of privacy will apply as they do for all other electronic payments that people make.

Nice cut n paste job. How old are you? Do you really think it is as simple as you say? Sure a family would be happy to pay that premium, IF THEY CAN, rather than thousands in out of pocket expenses. How about those who can’t afford the $600 premium…what minimum wage eager do you know that could afford it. I am not talking about me either – I am lucky for now…I am talking about people who need healthcare, need it now (not 2014), and can’t pay the high premiums.

Enough said about this matter – it is not the only policy we “passed” at while failing. Read yourself about the Financial Reform – wow that really helped us. Or how we are out of Gitmo…out of the War…Thanks for the education though.

Not all of the uninsured will end up being insured. Today, those 50 million are still without insurance and must either depend upon emergency rooms, charitable physicians, or hoping their health holds out.

The Democrats caved on Health Insurance reform.

The whole financial sector was ripe to be reformed. Instead we got regulations written by the financial sector with few consumer protections and even fewer teeth.

Drug costs are still through the roof and so many have dubious efficacy. Big Pharm make billions selling anti-depressants that have never been proven to work.

There are still 50,000 American troops in Iraq. With their guns.

Guantanamo is open and there have yet to be any trials. Most prisoners still are being held without charge.

Those who approved the torture (and murder) of prisoners have not been made to answer.

Those who tapped out telephones and emails are still silent. With the DoJ’s help.

Shall I continue?

First of all—you are right—Dems caved in, they should have gone for the Public Option, but if you recall—the ONLY way they got what they did—because of blue dogs, was to put up what they did. It STILL will go down in history as a GREAT thing, same as Medicare and SS !

2- Financial Reform is no small thing either. Why didn’t Repugs put it in?

“Creating a consumer financial protection bureau to regulate the trading of derivatives, one of the root causes of the current meltdown, while allowing small businesses to continue using them to mitigate risk.

Ending taxpayer bailouts of Wall Street institutions by establishing a new authority to wind down failing mega-firms outside of bankruptcy, so shareholders and creditors pick up the cost, not taxpayers.

Protecting small businesses by establishing reasonable and fair swipe fees for debit and credit cards.
These changes bring long-overdue transparency and regulation to Wall Street, ending the days of back-room deals that put our entire economy at risk. This historic reform bill creates clear standards and real enforcement mechanisms — including jail time for corporate wrongdoers — to finally curb the fraud, manipulation and reckless speculation that undermined confidence in our markets and derailed our economy.

3- yeah, drug companies continue to financially rape the US public. Did you expect EVERYTHING to get tackled in 20 months? then that is your problem.

4-Perhaps Obama should have those last 50,000 troops in Iraq lay down their guns? Look-his promise was to have combat troops out, and that is exactly what he did!

5- GITMO—-go to Politifacts and ‘stalled’ promises. Do yo not remember how when he wanted it closed, he wanted them moved to high security here in the States—The Right Wingers ALL threw tantrums, talking about how these people were going to come and slit our throats? It would be closed—if not for more Republican obstructio nand FEAR tactics.

6- You want bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld thrown into a World court and found guilty? Go for it—I will donate to the cause. It is not for Obama to do.

7- Yeah, and Obama just proposed that our emails and internets be tapped too. You like the idea of alQaeda or Bin Laden recruiting loonies like the soldier in TX or some of the other easily led, angry Americans?What’s the answer to catching them? I dont know. I do not like it—but if it is a tool, then I will live with it.

Look—nobody said he was going to be perfect. Nobody said that in 6 months, he would solve all our problems. But pity the poor slob for being faced with this shit house that Republicans left him !

First of all—you are right—Dems caved in, they should have gone for the Public Option, but if you recall—the ONLY way they got what they did—because of blue dogs, was to put up what they did. It STILL will go down in history as a GREAT thing, same as Medicare and SS !

2- Financial Reform is no small thing either. Why didn’t Repugs put it in?

“Creating a consumer financial protection bureau to regulate the trading of derivatives, one of the root causes of the current meltdown, while allowing small businesses to continue using them to mitigate risk.

Ending taxpayer bailouts of Wall Street institutions by establishing a new authority to wind down failing mega-firms outside of bankruptcy, so shareholders and creditors pick up the cost, not taxpayers.

Protecting small businesses by establishing reasonable and fair swipe fees for debit and credit cards.
These changes bring long-overdue transparency and regulation to Wall Street, ending the days of back-room deals that put our entire economy at risk. This historic reform bill creates clear standards and real enforcement mechanisms — including jail time for corporate wrongdoers — to finally curb the fraud, manipulation and reckless speculation that undermined confidence in our markets and derailed our economy.

3- yeah, drug companies continue to financially rape the US public. Did you expect EVERYTHING to get tackled in 20 months? then that is your problem.

4-Perhaps Obama should have those last 50,000 troops in Iraq lay down their guns? Look-his promise was to have combat troops out, and that is exactly what he did!

5- GITMO—-go to Politifacts and ‘stalled’ promises. Do yo not remember how when he wanted it closed, he wanted them moved to high security here in the States—The Right Wingers ALL threw tantrums, talking about how these people were going to come and slit our throats? It would be closed—if not for more Republican obstructio nand FEAR tactics.

6- You want bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld thrown into a World court and found guilty? Go for it—I will donate to the cause. It is not for Obama to do.

7- Yeah, and Obama just proposed that our emails and internets be tapped too. You like the idea of alQaeda or Bin Laden recruiting loonies like the soldier in TX or some of the other easily led, angry Americans?What’s the answer to catching them? I dont know. I do not like it—but if it is a tool, then I will live with it.

Look—nobody said he was going to be perfect. Nobody said that in 6 months, he would solve all our problems. But pity the poor slob for being faced with this shit house that Republicans left him !

See my response and FACTs about Financial Reform you have no clue about. Must be you have no credit card, no mortgage, no CD’s, etc, cause you would realize it IS a big deal too. And perhaps you don;’t recall the UPROAR from Republicans when Obama was going to bring the remaining ones to the States, Try them, and either let them go or Fry them! See—I DO.

You are welcome. A little google before making comments though-would sure help your cause !

give my regards to O’Donnell when you see her on Halloween! :)

Your most welcome. Thank you for the invitation but one possesses intellect. Only immature insecure fools need to demonstrate it.

Excellent point.

ACORN was ambushed by the right and Obama sat on his hands and did nothing to defend them … If this were a right wing org that got attacked, the right wing would have defended them to the end …

In the end of course ACORN was completely exonerated … little good it did as they went bankrupt. Obama has thrown the left under the bus and now decries their anger … F-him …

Wow, that’s quite a commentary there truthops! You’re are right about a lot of it. And while I could, I’m just not going to take the time to critique it point by point.

The long and short of it is, you blame the Democrats primarily for just about every ill from the economic meltdown to hangnails. You devote LOTS of kbs to blaming the Democrats. Strange though that, except for a few token curses, you pretty much let the Republicans off scott-free in all this.

As I see it the the blame the Dems deserve in all this is that they are not the efficient janitors they should be in cleaning up after the royal messes created and championed by the right wing. You fault them for not being the Party of the Angels (PotA). You still seem to think that these people should be easily capable of perfection if they just tried hard enough, that if they just waved their handy magic wand why then everything would fall neatly into place. What you’re not getting is that it’s the Dems trying to get some kind of health care passed so that as many people as possible can receive it. It’s the Dems championing the minimum wage. It’s the Dems championing equal rights for all. It’s the Dems championing protection for the environment etc. The Republicans stand on the opposite side of each of these issues. Of course the process is messy. I get sickened at the compromises they have to make just to get any good done. But if you paid attention to the health care debate, it was Republican Boehner who said that “They’ll get not one dime from us. Not a dime” for healthcare. Financial reform may not be perfect, but dang! the Republicans fought any reform at all.

I daresay that if you, or any of the other vocal naysayers here were in Obama’s place you’d discover that the President is not in fact, a King or a God (Dubya notwithstanding). He is not all powerful. He does constitutionally have to work with people determined to see him fail, to trip him up every step of the way.

But put all that to the side and ponder this, if you win and Obama or the Dems lose this or the next election, we’ll be right back to the neocons again and you know it. Is that really what you want?

This is the society that they crave.

https://home.comcast.net/~professorplum/watch020.html

As I’ve said before, I hope that after the election that people come together and decide that they have had enough of both fascist regimes and weak kneed weenies. That they form a new party and migrate as one to it. A party that stands up for whats right for a change and for the common man vs just the rich. It would have to be a wholesale switchover or it won’t work. But this election, and perhaps the next, to just stick out your bottom lip and pout, to hold your breath until you turn blue, to stamp your foot in anger while the Repugs all go to the polls will ensure that they win. It’s as simple as that.

Oh, and by the way, I am not a Democrat, never have been. I loathe politics, I just hate evil people more.

You know that old saying, ‘don’t criticize someone until you’ve walked a mile in his shoes’.

I also blame the left for their teabagging/gop behavior. Perhaps they are as ignorant about how our government actually runs.

I have an older sister who is just as bad and sometimes I wonder if she’s in her right mind.

We have gotten so much accomplished and if the lefties would smarten up and try to get more Progressive Democrats into the legislative branch we could build more on what we have. What is wrong with them?

Perhaps deep inside they want the teabagging/gop to win so they can go on complaining.

Yeah and with idiots like the gop and the Corporatist Democrats blocking the way it may never get done, but whitewitch you just don’t seem to comprehend. It’s people like you who got chimpy bush into the White House because people like you voted for nader a grandstander who could never make it into the White House because no one on the electoral college would ever vote for him.

Smarten up and go back to school and take Civics or whatever they call it now, and this time pay attention.

You never get bored of recycling the same idiotic arguments?.

The only thing that your dearest war criminal in chief has accomplished is keeping the political status Quo and perpetrating the Bush -Cheney policies…

You sound like a cult member.

The President isn’t a dictator in a banana republic, his powers are limited. Didn’t you know this?

It you must blame anyone how about the gop, ben nelson, lincoln, lieberman, and the middle aged blond bimbo in Louisiana to name a few who threw a few wrenches into the wheel? Smarten up.

Brava PamB1.

“….On Sunday, two of their helicopter gunships intruded into Pakistan and killed over thirty people, claiming they were militants. A Foreign Office spokesman said that Pakistan had protested to NATO/ISAF over the incursion, yet the very next day their gunships trespassed into Pakistani territory again and slaughtered another six people….”
September 30, 2010. “The Frontier Post” http://tinyurl.com/247mgsz

Changes you can believe in……

Wake up! She pointed out how the blue dogs and lieberman and the gop disrupted everything, or didn’t you read her entire post?

Also keep in mind that President Obama can’t wave a magic wand and poof! Everyone is insured, or all the bridges and highways are fixed, or everyone has a good paying job, or both wars are over.

You post like a child who wants what they want when they want it.

Keep going and the gop will be in power again, but I feel that’s what you want.

You say much kinder than I do Pam. I’ve lost all patience with these people. They’re as bad as the teabagging/gop.

I think you’re an undercover teabagging/gop

I’m a real person, I voted for the President and I will again.

Lol, considering the kind of garbage you are trying to sell them…..

“I’ve lost all patience with these people. They’re as bad as the teabagging/gop. ”

Wow,.what are you going to do about it?. Put them in reeducation camps?.lol

I wish you and my older sister would get real.

Fighting? He is, but his style is to educate as well, I never hear him whining, and believe me Mother of three daughters and grandmother of nine most who lived with me for years, I know whining.

He explains the situation as he probably did when he taught in college.

How could he lift a finger? He’s the President of the United States, not a dictator of a banana republic.

He can’t interfere with an investigation. There are laws, why not research and learn this time.

Don’t forget there were temps who fudged some voter registrations. Of course ACORN fired them but those employees caused lots of problems

You do understand our laws don’t you? If not start with the Constitution that tells us what exactly the President of the United States can actually do.

Name anything in your list that doesn’t enrich the elite and remove even more wealth from the masses.

And contrary to your statement it is Obama’s job to prosecute the elite when the break the law (War Crimes are against the law you know).

All of you cowards are afraid of another “terrorist attack” so you lay down and play possum when your liberties are stripped from you.

The “underwear bomber” ‘s father works for the Mossad. And how many of the new X-ray scanners (produced by an Israeli company by the way) are to be purchased so all of you cowards can feel safe.

This country used to be brave and strong. Today we are a bunch of cowards praying to GOD. I liked the country better when we had guts.

As far as Obama. I voted for him and have been disappointed. Since he was elected he has given away Trillions from our treasury to the elite, the corporations and our right wing dictators we control.

I made the mistake of believing there was a difference between Dems and Repugs. I now admit I was wrong. Whoever wins just drives the USA further down the road to destruction. As long as the votes are counted by corporate entities, I will not perform the masturbation of voting.

This progressive will from this day abstain from voting.

Not all elected officials with a “D” after their names are really Democrats, those are the ones who are like the gop filling their pockets with corporations’ money.

But blame the people in their states and districts. After all they voted for them.

Please stop, it is becoming ridiculous, don’t you have any sense of decency at all?. Any notion of self respect.?.I hope the money is good enough, “Mother of three daughters and grandmother of nine”, for you to conveniently forget that your honey and sweet president is a mass murderer. http://tinyurl.com/247mgsz

Yeah the money makes it worse. But no one is demanding financial reform hard enough.

You are clueless. You must be a teabagging/gop trolling disguising yourselves as progressives.

You better care or it’s back to mess the gop created.

I like Jon Stewart, but since he’s never been president I think I’ll pass on his opinion.

I’m blaming them because they act like spoiled brats because they didn’t get that shiny red truck they wanted for Christmas and now they’re pouting.

Change takes time and it takes cooperation. Have you seen much from the blue dogs, the gop and lieberman?

He was trying to bring them together, but the gop, lieberman and the blue dogs want polarization. Lord knows why.

Lol you people are hilarious. The Karl Rove column of the left…..

Your problem is, you too arrogant to understand that most people around here, are not 14 yr old
you will not abuse them by showing them a candy bar.

your semi justifications are pathetic, I have no idea what kind of shit you are smoking to even think for a second, that grown ups will swallow this type of fecal matter.

Go back to school and this time learn. I suggest you start with the Constitution, because you sure don’t know much about it.

PamB1, are you sane or just naive. All Obama has done since he got into office is give away the farm to the corporations.

The only health plan any progressive will support is a single payer plan that will shut down the health insurance business.

Or do you work for BlueCross/BlueShield.