Your known by the company you keep Rand. He’s a criminal and bully.

tea party types are simply the most gullible republicans

It wasn’t a curbstomp, but I guess Rand Paul’s campaign loves that sort of neo fascist imagery.

That Rand Paul is a real man..Standing there like that as these goons stood on a woman’s face .. I can only presume that Ron Paul used to beat his wife in Rand’s presence .. We need real guys like this in government.. Real men.. Men with cojones .. Men with sticks.. and guns and flaccid penises..

“Republican Senate hopeful Rand Paul has cut all ties with the man…”

“Ernst Roehm, I hardly knew him.” – A.H.

If the Republicans don’t win by the landslide Fox News has told them there will be violence.

Which is what Rupert Murdoch apparently wants.

Rand Paul’s solution to hunger- curb sandwiches.

Rand’s gang can stomp any women.
They’re tuff guys.

If Rand Paul wins this at all, not to speak of by a double digit margin, it will shame not only the Commonwealth of Kentucky, but our country in the eyes of our allies abroad (coming to you live and in color from NATO-land here in Brussels tonight). We are having a hard enough time trying to convince our NATO allies to let us continue to lead them in this alliance, and incidents like this only serve to convince them that they are right to cozy up to Russia and China as an insurance policy, since a future led by a United States that elects the like of Rand Paul to its Senate is not one they can continue to trust to provide leadership. As an American stationed here, I’m having a hard time defending reasons to stand by us instead of others whose lowlife tactics may be as bad, but are at least out in the open and not denied by those who use them.

This is bullcrap. To somehow blame Rand Paul for the actions of one of his supporters is just so ludicrous, but people buy into it because they are so stuck in the left-right paradigm that if there is anytime to smear the other team they do so without care of fact or logic.

Oh, where is the story about a Jack Conway supporter stomping on another woman’s foot who had a surgical boot on? Her incisions were cut open.

You know what I do when I heard that story? Said that stupid person was stupid, I didn’t blame it on Conway. So why blame this on Rand? Sick and tired of this politics-of-association.

No one is blaming Rand Paul for the incident. People ARE blaming him for not condemning the incident and its perpetrator immediately and in the strongest terms. Rightly so, I might add.

Ah, the brownshirts of the 30′s must be laughing in their graves. Barely 50 years after the world solemnly swore never to see those kinds of tactics used, and here we are in an election where the extreme right is endorsing, encouraging and actively carrying out attacks on anyone who questions them or their tactics. Congratulations, America, you’re well on your way to the rise and fall of the fourth reich.

Ah, the brownshirts of the 30′s must be laughing in their graves. Barely 50 years after the world solemnly swore never to see those kinds of tactics used, and here we are in an election where the extreme right is endorsing, encouraging and actively carrying out attacks on anyone who questions them or their tactics. Congratulations, America, you’re well on your way to the rise and fall of the fourth reich.

Within our children’s and perhaps our own lifetimes, the U.S. not only will lose leadership of NATO, but the dollar will be reduced to derivative currency, and the U.N. will relocate to a more democratic nation.The American democratic republic is going the way of the Weimar Republic.

Within our children’s and perhaps our own lifetimes, the U.S. not only will lose leadership of NATO, but the dollar will be reduced to derivative currency, and the U.N. will relocate to a more democratic nation.The American democratic republic is going the way of the Weimar Republic.

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Um, he did condemn it, his campaign condemned it.

Did Conway ever condemn what his supporter did? Not yet. Not one peep. Do you not see the double standard? It occurred on the same night and nothing was even mentioned from Conway.

Early voters have no chance of changing their votes with this knowledge, and that’s why early voting is so fucking goddamned stupid, contrary to the exhortations of the great orange snotrag.

Wow, I’m surprised that a republican has said something AGAINST violence.

GOP Statements Inciting Violence: 142
GOP Statements Condemning it: 1

Not until the national media picked it up, and even then, at first, he called it “jockeying.” If someone had “jockeyed” with Rand Paul in a similar manner, his brain would have been no more capable of coherent thought than that of a teabagger.

oh, wait.

never mind.

These Neanderthals have no place in the political arena. There is nothing that these ignoramuses won’t do. This is a pattern of acts of violence by Teaparty members and Teaparty leaders. The problem is that all of the previous attackers were never held responsible for their behavior from the man who punched the woman at the Sharron Angle event to the men who kidnapped the journalist at the Miller event, and now this. At least this guy is going to have to report to the court for his actions. This action together with Rand Paul’s earlier actions regarding women should be enough to give all women a sense of just how these people and especially the males who men who are in the Teaparty feel about all women and liberal women in particular. It appears that all women who plan on going near these people should carry a taser so that if any of these neanderthals get too close they can be tased for their actions.

Paul hasn’t said anything and he was right there…where is the story or video about the Conway supporter doing that? …” To somehow blame Rand Paul for the actions of one of his supporters is just so ludicrous,”… double standard? …and there was more than one person subduing this little 23 yr old woman for holding a fucking sign???…you people are sick…don’t try to change the subject…

I like how you answered my questions about Conway, most other people wouldn’t do that.

oh, wait.

never mind.

Here is what the campaign said when the story first broke:
“We understand that there was an altercation outside of the debate between supporters of both sides and that is incredibly unfortunate. Violence of any kind has no place in our civil discourse and we urge supporters on all sides to be civil to one another as tensions rise heading toward this very important election. We are relieved to hear that the woman in question was not injured.”

And they fired the gentleman, and banned him from future events. NOT STRONG ENOUGH THOUGH!

Jack Conway? Oh, his volunteers go out to public events, act like they are tea partiers, and say racist things to television networks. Or, they stomp on people’s surgical boots. Any mention of either instances from Jack Conway? Anything he said to condemn those actions? Nope. Natta. never.

BUT NO! NO! LET’S JUMP ON PAUL! Obviously it’s his fault. Obviously Conway can do no wrong because he has a (D) next to his name!

You guys are jokes.

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“You people?” “Don’t try to change the subject?”

Please get off your high horse and see the world for a change. You make me sick because of your inability to see the double standard. Somehow Paul is at fault here, placing blame of another onto him, saying he didn’t apologize fast enough. Well guess what, Conway NEVER apologized! This is ridiculous.

Profitt is obviously the type of man who has no qualms about beating up a defenseless woman.

These type of men are the ones who show no remorse for their victims, and certainly not a grain of empathy. Men with personalities like Profitt are the ones who have no problem with killing innocent children and gang-raping teenage girls in war zones. Men like Profitt are why atrocities happen.

Tim Profitt “curbstomper?” Nah, Tim Profitt knuckledragging punk. The best that the ‘teabaggers’ can muster. Brownshirts to the rescue oh yeah. Beat up a woman. Yup, teabaggers in all their glory.

he didn’t apologize at all!…his campaign did!…we haven’t heard anything from him…and you call that thug a “gentleman”???…i count at least 3 “gentlemen” attacking this woman in the video…where is your citation on the Conway incident?…

Per the comment below..you are not allowed to use logic here…didn’t you know that? If you do, you must be a paid troll, or a Tea Bagger, or heavens to Betsy…a Rethuglican!

I guess I should help you and start calling for Conway’s “apology” as well…even though he has nothing to apologize for…

Paul is doing the wibbly wobbly seesaw routine. He’s a coward, a clown and a parvenu. His libertarian philosophy has more holes in it than Swiss cheese. His campaign is a flop. His dad is a turncoat. And you.. you are the miserable mouthpiece for this loser who failed to properly condemn the incident and instead sent mixed signals. He should have called for the arrest and conviction of his ‘volunteer’. Actually this is a prelude for things to come, isn’t it? I’m having visions of a libertarian Kampfbund. How about you? Recent another right wing psychopath called for a ‘violent overthrow’. Ironic isn’t it, that those who call everybody Nazi, Communist, Muslim, Grasshopper, whatever, are themselves currently the most nauseating purveyors of right wing extremist, Nazi ideology.

are there any people left in kentucky with more than one tooth?

oh…and BTW…its the Tea Party people calling for the violent overthrow of the US govt if they don’t get their way…and the GOP via Mitch McConnell, and Limbaugh that say the main mission is to keep everything in gridlock in order to defeat Obama…

The beginning of the tory–Kristallnacht…………..

they could have killed this poor woman. step on a lady’s neck after knocking her to the ground? what the FUCK!!!… a “crowd control problem?”… dickface?

and of the evil people who endorse democrats/? I dont support Paul or this guys actions – it was clearly wrong… but I am the only one here who remembers that both parties have scum bags working for them?

KY is lost,… the sooner you stop making yourself look stupid the better.

There are scum bags everywhere in every part of society.

If only it was as easy as killing all the evil people, but the line of good and evil runs through the hearts of all men. ~ A. S.

Here is a video of a left wing scum bag. the right is not the only side with scum in it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF81_Tbp3XY

What they lack in brains they try to make up with their so-called manhood.

Why do you believe Rand Paul had him as his worker.

Yes, I think you are. Righties like beck and palin have been ramping up violent rhetoric for months and then step back when it happens like they don’t know what could have caused it. So far, not one of them has taken responsibility or encouraged his/her followers to knock it off. It has been one sided and it’s time the republicans stopped their blaming both sides nonsense as if Democrats are starting this crap. It’s also time the candidates themselves speak out against violence instead of half assed explanations made through their spokespeople. They can’t keep appealing to the bottom dwellers and thinking nothing will happen.

Yes and they stomped on her head.

he was one of the organizers…look at the picture above…

ky jelly – that randy paul boy’s got a real purdy mouth..

he was one of the organizers…look at the picture above…

Well, I blame Rand Paul for the incident. I blame the encouragement which he, and the others of theTea Party, give to those followers who believe in a “dog eat dog”, “every man for himself” view of the world. It is a brutal future that they imagine and justify in cobbled together philosophies or selective religious readings. We know that our survival as a species has as much,or more, to do with our capacity for community and cooperation, than it has to do with brutal individualism. If it was a simple struggle of each against all, it should be the tigers sitting here reading these words.

The right is energized by anger and, it seems, comfortable with surrounding itself with thuggery, and promises violence, if they don’t get their way. If they are not careful, the gods will punish them by granting them what they pray for. The problem is, that by the time they realize that they are themselves the fascist they were seeking to defeat, we all will have paid the price for their education and for them being relieved of their delusions of grandeur and power. The imagined outcome of their enterprise appears to be that a small, elite, group of powerful and wealthy individuals can better lead a country of a poor and disenfranchised populace into an uncertain future than a democratic system, where all voices may be heard, (even those with divergent perspectives). Really, this is the best we can hope for? Where is there a place for compassion and reason in such a world of brute enforcement of dogmatic beliefs? When do they start teaching us the special salutes and the words to the songs of the party?

A politician who gives comfort to such simplistic formulation of the problems we are all facing and encourages the justification of force as the determinant of truth, is responsible for what they create and the suffering that it inflicts. So, yes, I do blame Rand Paul and Miller and Angle and Palin and all the others who have found it easier to manage people with passions then to engage them in mature reason.

pigs.

Hell to… The very words which are coming from their mouths is aiding this type of criminal thug action.
They have incited these thugs so much they now carry weapon to meetings.
Yes republicans repeat this message over and over and when it happens like Beck and others say they did nothing to cause it.
Republicans are great at blaming democratic demonstrators as thugs but

We see just what party and thugs these actions are coming from…..
NO it’s the religious right wing republicans which are now calling themselves tea party thugs.
This is one of Rand Paul’s army in which they are trying to take THEIR country back as Paul says it.

A little moral equivalence from a teabagger, the folks who claim to hate moral equivalence. Apparently, if someone who’s a lefty has done something bad, then it’s okay for the wingnuts to do whatever evil thing they want.

and you want to be wearing your “Don’t tread on me” button when you drag someone to the ground because she’s carrying a sign you don’t like.

of course you blame Rand. You CAN NOT believe in personal responsibility or your stupid fucking world view would crumble.

….yet another misleading headline from Raw…..the Fox News of the Left.

That wasn’t his point, dumbass.

killed her????? really??? forget that we aren’t asking what this woman was doing 2 seconds before coming in frame. wearing a wig, laughing, and seemingly barreling thru the crowd. she was acting like a jackass.

the guy can’t be excused, but he didn’t step on her neck OR almost kill her. cmon.

A turncoat? LOL. You aren’t fit to lick Ron Paul’s boots, shitdick.

As far as I am concern and what I have heard for him , Rand Paul is a arrogant , whiny snot. This is just like all republicans they run their mouth calling democrat names , telling any d… lie they wish , calling them racist names , calling them terrorist , they should leave this country and attacking them with their special brand of BS and then try to condemn democrats whenever they open; their mouth in reply to Republicans hate attacks.
Republican of today do not resemble anything of the past, they use to have character and concern about this nation. Now they use the U.S. flag and bible as a political tool.. They are so far out of bounds they are now being supported by foreign states to help outsource our country and wealth overseas.
Bush bought a ranch just before he ran for president so he would appear to be a cowboy for these rednecks..
After Bush’s 8 years of destruction and his 8 year tour of duty for these Global Monopolies , his friends and family , he sold his ranch ,, shook the BS he had created off his boots and left his total destruction to our economy , his wars , his outsourcing of over 7 million U.S. jobs , and his $12 trillion debt to his replacements.

As soon as he destroy our nation and left office he sold his ranch and left his crimes and destruction for others to worry about.behind just as he did by destroying our economy , citizens and country.
Like most republicans Bush , Cheney , Rumsfeld used our country, citizens and economy to get what they wanted and the H… with everyone else.

Are you a fucking moron?

If you think that the latest linkbait for liberal blogs to bitch and moan is having an effect on NATO or our relations with Russia and China then PLEASE, do your nation a favor and SHUT THE FUCK UP. Walk away from the public square, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

Known by the company you keep?

We tried that line in 2008 with Rev. Wright, Tony Rezko, et al. The Regressives told us that was RACIST XENOPHOBIA!!!!!

I am a fiscal conservative, I don’t care what you do in your free time.

My point is that there are bad people everywhere. It is simply a fact no
matter how much people don’t like it.
I think these people who stepped on this woman should be put in jail for
assault

The problem is that Republicans, and especially teabaggers, preach personal responsibility while acknowledging no personal responsibility of their own. Honesty is the apotheosis of personal responsibility. Liars and hypocrites disavow personal responsibility with every spoken word.

But you attempt to excuse him (them) by wondering whether her actions justified getting stomped. Seems like you would like to take his side, but are embarassed to do so.

She should be glad that Kentucky doesn’t have an open carry law or she would have had her head more than stomped on. Those teabaggers are violent thugs. If Tim McVeigh were alive today, he’d be one of the leaders of the teabaggers.

Dark days ahead

step on YOUR neck? lets see—the neck is–kinda near the—spinal chord?… that silly little thing…the HEAD?… just covering for a VITAL organ…, SHE was a threatening force?… yes,,,, acting like a “jackass”… that’s. worthy of being “RASSLED” to the ground and having your neck stepped on..it also looked like some giant fat-ass stepped on her, too..yeah, SHE deserved that. so, what will she be charged with, then?…sorry, she weas assaulted and was VERY fortunate these whads didnt hurt her even worse… death?… not THIS time…

Its kind of funny how when you mention a ” lefty has done something bad” but
a ” wingnuts to do whatever evil” as if either of these two people did a
different thing. They both were viciously assaulted someone expressing
political speech, an all important fundamental right.

lefty is a neutral word. Wingnut is a negative word
bad is WAY more neutral than ‘evil’

So you have described the same crime with radically different verbiage. So
really you are using charged words to make one person worse than the other.

I have plenty of videos of people attacking tea party people they are easy
to find on google

It’s different when your a woman beater. Or are you?

What ever , I guess he or they proved their manhood..
This is one of the statements make by Rand Paul..
so many people so passionate on both sides jockeying back and forth.

Not fit to lick his boots? Because I’m a ‘shitdick’?

Damn. I’m devastated. What shall I do now? Oh, I know: laugh at you. Loudly, for falling for Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand’s flawed philosophy of wasteful, dysfunctional greed and egoism. And for showing up on this thread to demonstrate your unmistakable libertarian imbecility.

Are all you freak Republicans woman beaters? Is that why ya’ll think it’s fine?

Sorry losers.

Post them. Link to them. Put up or shut up.

apocalypto, you missed a couple of posts with long words and historical perspectives above which you forgot to rant on. If you need someone to interpret them, just ask in normal tones and good grammar. You may want to relay to your keeper that your rants increase in manic tones, devolve into unhinged logic, and increase in inappropriate language the further down the page you go. An increase in lithium may be necessary.

Go to hell Rand Paul you worthless dirt bag.

Miller goons, Paul goons, don’t tea party supporters ever wonder if their own wives are next?

BULLIES!!!!

BULLIES!!!!!

Interesting on the video that the people of less government immediately start calling out for the police. If the police force was privatized like the TN fire dept that watched that guy’s house burn to the ground with all the family pets inside, that video may well have been another Tory blood bath instead. Has this been investigated to see if it was one of Breitbart’s staged events? Having the party of personal responsibility screaming for police doesn’t sound right.

All of the violence and threats of violence have been in the Republican and Tea Bagger camps. Tha’ts why many of us know these people are so dangerous.

My dear “apaocalypto”, I must admit being impressed with the intensity of your comment if not the lucidity of your argument. You are apparently the rare specimen of the unbounded identity. You appear to be just that ideal human-being sprung complete from the imagination of Ayn Rand. No imposition of context for you! Free in every way, to do anything you wish, and everyone else, well just too bad for them! Of course, you are somewhat constrained by the physical history of the universe and this small blue planet. And evolutionary history has confined you to a mammalian form without your consent. I suppose you might be constrained to some range of languages available for thought and communication. And the short history of your own family and life further constrains you in some small way, if nothing other then to provide you the identity of self you carry as your own.

We all exist within the context of the world which defines us and part of that context is the social community we inhabit. As benefit we get to develop language, tools, schools and stories and all the other products of society unavailable to the lone individual. I suppose you could create your own language, your own myths, your own tools and reinvent the wheel, but even then, their significance is lost without the interaction of others. We are in this world together. We can embrace freewill and individualism but it is necessarily restricted to a range of interpretation which does not exclude social order and dynamics, as such concepts have no meaning outside of that social context.

Complete freedom results in a kind of chaos, as all paths are available and not even a historical context constraints the next moment expressed. Even you finished your sentences with periods and so I therefore suspect that you at least enjoyed some brief moment of historical context in an attempt to put your thought in an expressed order. Now if you might move up an order of understanding to include a more complex context than required of the formation of simple sentences, you may perceive that we are all mutually defining, and in some essential sense, mutually dependent in making the world a better place to live.

It was a silly comment, wasn’t it. The NATO states, Russia and China are well aware of what a bunch of authoritarian thugs the teabaggers are. Russia and China are loving it.

Rand Paul’s father always had my backing.But with this b.s. I guess I don’t have to worry about voting anymore.

“I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”

We said this every morning before school started. Americans who attack Americans for participating in American democracy are not acting like Americans citizens.

Rand if you had an ounce of compassion in your soul you would apologize directly to this lady and offer to pay any of her medical expenses. You are DIRECTLY responsible for the level of anger and hostility directed at your opponents. The buck and responsibility stops with you.

A right to the jaw, a left upper cut, another body blow and down goes Apoco, down goes Apco!

View the 2nd video posted on the RAW home page …..jackass!

WTF is happening to American society, particularly the right?

This beating and the one prior do nothing to improve the political discourse.

The right’s jackbooted thugs are behaving exactly like the Nazis did when they were ascending to political prominence.

My God, what has happened to the right’s humanity? They are acting like thugs.

Democrats and leftists don’t do this.

Is it possible the enemies of Rand Paul got these people to do this? I just cant imagine the son is so different from the father. I am not going to judge just yet. The tea party began as a noble cause and was usurped by wealthy traitors who tuned it into a joke extension of the Republican party. One of the Tea Party founders just told the Tea party to go screw itself. I cannot judge Rand Paul just yet, based on this incident.

“I just cant imagine the son is so different from the father.” Has your TV been in for service?

“If there were more than just a week left until Election Day, “the Curbstomper” might have become a campaign meme.”

One week is plenty of time for this to become THE meme.
And I’m sure Conway will be all over this.
It just may have won the election for him.
Don’t forget the PEW bias in polls.

Get a grip on your anger.

You do not physically assault people before they do something.

If you do you have no right to call yourself human.

Ask George W. Bush about the wisdom of preemption.

I am far from evil, and I support the Democrats.

And I don’t beat people up when I disagree with what they say.

Tsk, tsk. Anger!

Does this sound like a person who is not close to Rand Paul and Rand Paul is an arrogant A…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKWSxSfIins

“…forget that we aren’t asking what this woman was doing 2 seconds before coming in frame. wearing a wig, laughing, and seemingly barreling thru the crowd. she was acting like a jackass…”

And that is an excuse for an ass kicking?

Grow up.

Goddamn right I am passionate.

But I am not violent.

So don’t vote early.

Go to the polls and vote on election day.

Free country.

Ron Paul hired this thug.

Sour grapes.

And you are the scum that scum scrapes off the bottoms of its shoes.

Why don’t you STFU?

Obviously, you are angry.

Venting here will solve nothing. No one takes you seriously.

Who tried that line in 2008?

Is there anyone left alive who would recognize it if they saw it. I can here it now. ” Just a little vandalism and graffiti. No big deal.”

Apologists commenting here, like Paul himself, glibly imply there is no difference between his supporters and opponents. That is not an apology. It’s not taking responsibility for an action.
His words are chilling excuses, and most of all, a signal to his enraged supporters that he is fine with headstomping.
This woman was pointing out something very important. Democracy is under threat since the Supreme Court decision, and Republicans are getting virtually all of the flood of money from secret sources. All as planned. So what if an annoying tiny young woman gets a head injury?

Expect more headstompers. Rand and Rove could care less.

Wait a minute…you are conflating a violent Obama supporter with the political “left wing”?
The two are not hardly synonymous.
Maybe you ought to reconsider that thought.

Kentucky IS a gold star Open Carry state. Opencarry.org/map. And no, she wouldn’t have been shot. I agree with the violent teabagger statements but something I have found true is that the majority of Open Carry firearms supporters in the state of Kentucky, myself included, are independent or no-party affiliation folks. It’s too easy for people to assign political bias to a hobby and a constitutionally protected right. Most open carry people will be the first to move away from crowd problems such as the one that occurred here, and for good reason. When you carry a gun, the very first thing you have to consider is keeping everyone around you, safe, from your own gun. If you can’t understand that, you shouldn’t carry a gun.

In Kentucky, this kind of behavior is obviously sanctioned… In the majority of the rest of America (excluding the South), this behavior generates outrage and usually police arresting the folks who ADMIT ASSAULT! And usually, these people GO TO JAIL!

But not in Kentucky…gotta keep them Klan ties tight… These people are a national disgrace.

I fear that this guy and the other two complete COWARDS are gonna walk away from this with little to no punishment.

Call em what you want. COWARD is the most appropriate name.

Don’t people read a post before they comment..
I was stating just how arrogant and unconcern Rand Paul was about the woman being beat.

This is a statements make by Rand Paul..

so many people “”"”so passionate on both sides jockeying back and forth”"”"

America is lost. Trying to single out a state for this is like pointing to a barrel full of rotten maggot filled apples and saying, “You there, rotten apple near the middle, THIS IS YOUR FAULT!!!” ((Wave Fist in Air))

Kentucky is a great state. I’ve lived all over the US and I came back to live in Kentucky.

Hopefully 3 men will be arrested for the assault and battery of this woman.

From Kentucky and agree but not exactly as you state…..she should have had her OWN conceal carry permit, then good ol boy Profitt woulda gotta dose uv his own 2nd amendment

She should a pulled out her 357 fired a warning round up in the air and told him “touch me again and let my 2nd amendment defend my first amendment tea bagger faux constitutionalist!!

Cause Kentucky has a concealed carry law, we have ALWAYS had an open carry law

Explain then any human condition that is simply right or wrong Richard. With no discussion of context or situation. Because that is what a 2 party political system must constitute for the individual.
You agree with one, thus disagree with the other. You are congenial to one, thus adversarial to the other.

The inherent flaw in a political party is that in order to reach the largest range of people, the party has to simplify the reality of human existence into the smallest mostly broadly acceptable box they can get it into, ignoring the reality, purposefully creating a fantasy which is unattainable and creating a cycle of promise and break that works like a diligent stream against the sandstone of our principles. It will wear away even the largest stone. And the valley of sand and rubble it leaves behind will be incompatible with life as we know it and so it will be barren and useless to anything but the stream.

Fuckers. I’d like to stomp their heads into a curb. Hope that lady sues.

So stomp the heads and possibly kill or maim anyone who is acting like a jackass in pursuit of their freedom of speech…..interesting.. Apocolypto…I being as able as you to dish out this particular brand of judgment do find you guilty of jackassery. Your neck stomping will be just and prudent.

I have all my teeth. And I don’t attack people for a difference of opinion. I did just get un-friended by an old school mate from Facebook because I told him he was spending too much time watching Glenn Beck instead of living in the real world with the rest of us “normal” people. Apparently, like with Jesus, to deny Beck, is to be cast out.

I’ve decided not vote on this race. Rand Paul lost my interest with his 23% tax increase, and his statements that violent over throw is just as good as being elected.

Conway lost my vote when he started running all those Aquabudha ads. I did a lot of crazy crap in college and no one is holding that shit over my head. Once you start pulling stunts like that, I can’t respect you as a public servant.

I’ll probably just write in “Rabid Squirrel” or “Any zombie candidate who was originally alive during the American Revolution”.

Yeah, that woman has backed down from her story. She didn’t file a police report, she didn’t seek medical attention and she had no way of knowing that it was a conway supporter who actually stepped on her foot when the entire crowd started shifting around.
It was a LIE in an attempt to downplay the Tea Party members attacking someone violently over a difference of ideology. With the NEW SECOND video it’s also obvious that all of the statements about this woman “CHARGING” the car like a lunatic were also complete lies to justify beating up a defenseless woman. Get over it man. Sometimes the bad guys wear a white hat because they really don’t understand that they are bad guys until they get caught doing something bad.

You…WInski…are a bigot!
Kentucky in reality is one of the last remaining “Commonwealth” states. This commonwealth was formed out of an expansion of Virginia and was so built as a common wealth out of an ideology that neighbors should help neighbors in time of need. That those who “have”, also have a responsibility to help those who “have not”. Short sighted greed benefits no one. If you let your neighbor starve you lose any potential he may have had to help improve your life later on.
It’s an old ideology based on common sense, common decency, and preservation of the whole through the individual.

Based on your statements you know nothing of the state, it’s history, it’s people, or it’s culture. You are showing your enlightened superiority through a process of baseless bigoted ridicule most notably associate with the “Klan ties” you mentioned. So you are in fact emulating the “Klan” in an attempt to be superior.

3 men, who were angry, and probably spent a good amount of time, talking tough about kickin ass and forgetting the names, took an opportunity to bully, and assault a defenseless woman.
It is no more a reflection on this state than your bigoted idiocy is an indication that the entire state you hail from are ignorant bigots.

Neither is it a reflection on Rand Paul OTHER than to say that his people and HE saw this event take place and they did NOTHING to stop it. That of course does elevate him to the level of “douchebag”.

She’s a gay liberal activist from the east coast. The chances of her owning and carrying a gun are actually worse than my chances of winning the lottery if I never buy a single ticket.
Not to be crude. Just sayin. I’m confident she was aware of the risks, and probably slightly bigoted in her view of “hillbilly tea baggers” so getting beat up is a badge of honor for her to some degree. Which also makes her brave. Doesn’t mean she isn’t an instigator either. But if she didn’t touch anyone, no one had a right to touch her either.

Those guys did a wrong thing, for the wrong reasons, and then fled because they knew what they did was wrong. Simple as that. A man who knows he is right in his heart stands his ground. That woman didn’t run off. She stayed and did an interview, and for the people saying she was laughing about it, well, I giggle when I am in pain. It’s a physical/mental thing for some people. I giggle when in actual pain. I can’t help it. It just happens. The look on her face wasn’t victory, it looked more to me like, “If I don’t laugh, I’m gonna cry”.

I fail to see the distinction. Doesn’t matter if its the KKK or the Kiwanis Club, when people do this in the name of their *state* —as *citizens* and *residents*— then they themselves impugn the reputation of the state. It is their behavior that is at fault here, and Kentucky should be ashamed as a whole. This behavior is absolutely deplorable. It makes it ten thousand times worse for the mealymouthed excuse that it’s “crowd control.” What do these people expect from drawing a crowd? Potted plants? As representatives, they are honor-bound to denounce these people, and fine them at the least.

You just don’t do this kind of thing. What is this? 1320? It’s a very small step from this to public hangings in the village square, complete with cross-bun sellers and flagons of ale.

There is nothing “noble” about the tea-party gang. Idealistic, perhaps. But in no way noble.

This behavior does absolutely zero to help nor raise political discourse. Discourse by definition is measured, reasoned, and fact-based discussion. This kind of behavior is not in any way “discourse.” These kinds of events aren’t yet near what the Nazis did; you just wait until they kink your doors down to make that comparison. They are, however, MIGHTY close to nazis, with their narcissistic attitudes and their use of secretive surveillance and neighborly-denouncement ideas. If you look deeper to these kinds of brutal public behaviors, you will find reams of personal vendettas, petty lawsuits, and an untter disregard for knowledge of law and civil procedure. What they want —and can only seemingly understand— is taking the law into their own hands, and that is pure vigilantism. Civility has broken down severely. Add to this that their 8-year-old “he did it” attitude is infantile and motivated by greed, avarice, vanity, and sloth.

Not only this. A public apology is one thing; a public apology doesn’t admit guilt. These people have to pony up with a pony or even substantial monetary recompense for for the morally depraved assault. I don’t care if it’s one dollar; the amends *have* to be made.

People just don’t seem to realize that this behavior is what the Houses of Lords and Commons fought about during the 1660s English Civil war. Abuse is abuse, and that’s the end of it.

What is it about Amerian narcissism and child-like pettiness that lets this debasing behavior and attitude to continue. The USA is a cesspool.

Compassion be damned. You do the right thing, and do it graciously and with contrition.

Complete nonsense. You are saying “we are loyal subjects of the King, and right and wrong be damnd” This crap was completely overthrown time and time again since 1754. We are meither peasnants nor serfs, and pay homage to nobody.

When you have a system when political station is handed down from father to son, and bought by strategic marriage, into the equivalent of 1820s bourgeois buying-of-the-vote, you have feudalism and pretty soon the divine right of Presidents.

Rand paul may very well need your backing. Don’t be fooled for a minute that your backing will get one whit of response nor recognition. They amass warchests. They couldn’t care less if it comes from people like you or the Chinese. That man is a millionaire; if he’s so money-savey in this economy, he’d have made his fortune 100 times greater without your pathetic support. The man is an empty suit with fire in the belly and such a genteel and fakery demeanor it inspires little but pity and contempt.

What you think as your support for Paul is nothing more than the fantasies in your own head; you *wish* you were a doctor. When is it ever that a line-worker from Detroit ever got that kind of attention? The only thing we get is “Joe the Plumber” paraded out like the clown that he is.

What a bunch of sentimental claptrap.

The grossest and most viscious threats come from the Right. The “Left” —which we now know is a bunch of ghosty pantywaists— also threatens, but they don’t have the scratch to put their money where their mouths are. The Right get the Royal Treasury at their disposal. The fact that they debase themselves with threats and back-biting only says that they are cowards and thieves.

Those open-carry morons are self-deluded megalomaniacs. They aren’t violent thugs, they’re crazy bloodthirsty people. You can carry your impotent “weapon” all you want at your “political” rallies, but you canNOT carry live ammunition. This is not civil war yet. This open-carry crap is nothing more than codpieces.

Well, then it is HIGH time that open and conceal weapon laws apply to daggers and Bowie knives.

Kentucky is also a state where any Tom Dick and Harry can be a Colonel.

Assault and battery? Try viscious and vile attack.

Reality? Feh. This is utter delusion.

I agree. We love to blame others.

@” am a fiscal conservative, I don’t care what you do in your free time.”

Free time? You have no idea of what free time is. We have no free time.

This stepping on the head and the neck is pure unadultered terrorism and aimed at humiliation. It is brutal, and no different than nazi brownshirts.

Oh, it is FAR from the beginning. This is the manifestation of almost institutionalized Kirstallnacht. You people backpedal and sanitize everything.

I dunno; anybody who thinks they have something from having “friends” on Facebook are narcissists.

These people are vain and haughty. They think their shit don’t stink.

“Neanderthal” is a pretty word. These people are thugs. They KNOW what they are doing, and that makes them very corrupted by vanity and false pride. I wouldn’t call them “Neanderthals” — I’d call them Nixons.

Or don’t vote at all. The whole voting process is proven to be a total farce. People clinging to the idea that there is a “vote” in a situation where democracy has been erased are lying to themselves. You have ZERO proof your vote was even counted, much less went to your chosen candidate.

There have been brownshirts SINCE the 30s. They have been all around us every since then.

Dark days now. Dark days since 1975.

Ron Paul PROTECTED this thug. That’s even worse.

Sick and tired of politics-of-association? You live in 1720. Politics is IS of-assocation. Just what do you think republicanism and democracy IS?

People just don’t get it. They’re brainwashed. This IS democracy; mob rule. What you’re attempting to talk about is republicanism, that the repubic is the will of the people for the people in an orderly and CIVIL manner. Democracy is a hollow lie. Republicanism employs every method that is attributed to democracy; vote, consensus, compromise, and above all *representation*. The only thing “democracy” means now is to describe what is in the interest of the oligarchy, and I don’t care if its a Democratic or Republican oligarchy. Money talks. Repubicanism works against that.

This is a *republic*. It is NOT a democracy. Not in principle nor charter. If you want a simple description of “democracy” go no further than the halls of your local dysfunctional highschool or 6th grade sandbox. Democracy is rule by gang force and bullying.

I haven’t seen teabaggers saying “violent overthrow” — what I’ve been seeing is takeover by stealing and subversion and cheating. The teabaggers are cowards, and won’t lift a finger when it comes to violent overthrow of the government. It is in their WORST interest to try to do that.

Anarchists in America do not use violence against people in anything other then self-defense from an immidiate threat and have not done so for over a hundred years. This is one of the core principles of our movement – that all people should be free of coercion and the threat of violence. It was a Statist – a Republican to be exact – who committed this assault, not an Anarchist. Your slander is completely unwarranted and inappropriate.

Last week I had a tea party activist on one of the yahoo discussion boards assure me in no uncertain terms that once they seize power there will be camps for “people like [me]“.

sounds like fascism to me.

and of course there was the tea party candidate (i forget the name) who told the media just recently that if they fail to win elections the next option is armed overthrow of the government. That’s hardly a unique attitude on the far right lately, how many of those “we came unarmed…. this time” signs have you seen at their rallies?

violence and the threat of violence are at the core of their ideology. Whatever libertarian roots certain segments of the tea party movement may have had it is now very much an authoritarian Corporatist movement bent on imposing it’s ideology on America by every means at its disposal, up to and including violent assaults on people who disagree with them.

The entire TeaBagger ‘movement’ would NEVER have even existed had it not been for the obscenely wealthy anti-American Koch brothers and their huge bags of cash.

Your ‘noble cause’ (the same phrase having been used previously to describe the formation of the KKK), may have for one half-second been an independent idea, but it was co-opted by the top 1% wealthiest so quickly as to be indistinguishable.

The TeaBaggers have always and only ever have been a bunch of dupes whose sole purpose has been to further the limit of acceptable violence in the public square and to force the Republican Party even farther to the right. When you are so far to the right that the John Birch Society looks sane, you have gone too far, and the TeaBaggers are that far gone.

I heard someone say last year that the American far-right are NOT Nazis… But when you are going down the same road, the landmarks do all look the same.

“Americans who attack Americans for participating in American democracy are not patriotic and are not acting like Americans citizens.”

You need to tell that to every radio talk show host, every Fox ‘News’ participant, and every Republican politician. That group has clearly abandoned all pretenses of ‘acting like American citizens’. The Republican Party and their wholly owned subsidiaries the Democratic Leadership and the TeaBaggers use their media personalities to endorse violence against the innocent every single day.

I could never be a Republican, ever, because of the official platform of hatred for their fellow man.

“This is not civil war yet”

But it is an official part of the GOP platform. If the GOP don’t win 2010 and 2012, they have promised to start killing their neighbors, you and me.

“Hopefully 3 men will be arrested for the assault and battery of this woman”

HAHAHAHAhahahahahaha!!!

They are Republicans! They will never be prosecuted because George Bush got away with starting two illegal wars based on 100% lies. After that, no Republican can ever be held accountable to the law.

Sure the police will pretend as if they are ‘investigating’. There might be an indictment even, but that’s all just for show because the media is looking. If there had not been a camera there to record that incident for all of America to see, then no police department would ever have been bothered.

But after GWBush and the Republican Party murdered American soldiers solely for war profiteering, nothing is too extreme anymore.

Tim Profitt and anyone who condones his cowardly, malevolent act of stomping on this woman’s head are so obviously sick, both mentally and spiritually, that even the hate/fear mongers on the right like Glenn Beck, Limbaugh, O’Reilly, Hannity, Roger Ailes, Rupert Murdoch and their ilk have no choice but to condemn them. However, the hate mongers cannot so easily wash their hands of Profitt because it is the very hate and fear that they sell to the mentally and spiritually hate-susceptible like Profitt that propells the Profitt types to commit heinous acts. I would like to see the hate mongers on the right take some of their own personal responsibility medicine and stop sowing the seeds of fear and hatred. A head stomping, as horrendous as it is, is mild in comparison to what could happen if a sick, misguided person like Profitt got his hands on some heavy weaponry. It almost seems just a matter of time…

Although on the whole, it is true [about anarchists], and I want to agree with you, but can’t. If you remember your history it was in fact an anarchist that killed Archduke Franz Ferdinand that is widely assumed to have precipitated the beginning of WWI.

There were three assassins — Cvjetko Popović, Gavrilo Princip and Trifun Grabež, with Gavrilo Princip firing the gun that killed the Archduke in his open top car.

All three were anarchists and I’m sorry but it wasn’t self-defence — of their person. They would argue it was self-defence for their country of course [Serbia].

i disagree with you, all those involved INCLUDING Paul himself, represent your state.
and you should be ashamed. You all should reconsider voting for this man because of this.

i wouldn’t exactly refer to the black hand as anarchists:

Black Hand, was a military secret society founded in the Kingdom of Serbia on May 9, 1911; It was a part of the Pan-Slavist movement, with the intention of uniting all of the territories containing South Slav populations annexed by Austria-Hungary. Through its supposed connections to the June 28, 1914, assassination in Sarajevo of Franz Ferdinand, Archduke of Austria, the Black Hand may have been one of the catalysts to the start of World War I.

wiki

link for the constitution of the black hand

http://wwi.lib.byu.edu/index.php/Constitution_of_the_Black_Hand

name me an anarchist group that has written a “constitution”

Paul leads 53-40? Forgetting this incident did the people of KY actually read any of his platform? And if so, they are okay with it?
Okay, he’s all yours, and good luck.

Don’t look now, but about 53% of the citizens of your commonwealth are lunatics.

hahahaha – The kids in Kntuckyl are sharp as a pistol
When they do the liberal Curbstomp
Really somethin when they join in jumpin
When they do the liberal Curbstomp

It’s Kentucky.

You don’t know what an anarchist is. The tea party are anarchists.

anarchist [ˈænəkɪst]
n
1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) a person who advocates the abolition of government and a social system based on voluntary cooperation
2. a person who causes disorder or upheaval
anarchistic adj
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/anarchists

I supported his Father because I thought the man had a bit of integrity as compared to the rest of this ‘things’. I care not for their response or yours, fool

Did you “read any of his platform”?

I wonder if Aqua Buddha approves of these tactics.

Hummm.. I sounds to me that you’ve tried to justify this criminal behavior. I used to LIVE in Louisville..sorry. I was forced to move away because the opportunity to grow and the availability of the tools required to raise my IQ score above 50 didn’t exist there….looks like it still doesn’t.

Having lived oversees for awhile, one has to figure out early that NOT knowing anything about the people, their lands, their culture and it’s people and it’s history is a huge loss and it also hurts your perception of your experiment… So having been immersed in your culture generates not bigotry for the people – far from it – it generates loathing of your ideas. That’s why I live somewhere else.

“3 men, who were angry, and probably spent a good amount of time, talking tough about kickin ass and forgetting the names, took an opportunity to bully, and assault a defenseless woman.
It is no more a reflection on this state than your bigoted idiocy is an indication that the entire state you hail from are ignorant bigots.”…Those are YOUR words, which show an utter lack of understanding what your own words about immersing in the culture actually mean! And the empathy associated with that tolerance… The group of thugs that did this – on tape – in public, should be in jail for criminal assault. period. That has NOTHING to do with being a bigot, or an outsider or anything else – THAT’s THE LAW.

Sorry you’re stuck there.

Sure Kev, but they “got to sleep sometime”.

Stand up and be a man Rand!
You know up north we don’t take kindly to rednecks beating up little hippie girls. Your boy Profitt is a real tough guy. Hillbilly sh-t head.
Your mother must be so proud!

Well said, I think Mass. is another commonwealth.

oh go back to yelling at your wife and beating your kids

Are you a foreigner or an American? Right now stand stand up and say it out loud,

“I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”

The fact Kentucky is a Commonwealth is totally irrelevant. In the union there are three other “Commonwealths” and a Plantation (RI). They are no different than any other State using the word “State” instead of Commonwealth. Including their history.

As are Pennsylvania and Virginia. Rhode Island is a Plantation.

If you wish an example of democracy look no farther then here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy

I do not need an education in democracy. I had courses in Democracy and Problems of democracy , most likely before you were born..

I believe most American know what a democracy is.
Yes we have drifted away from it. But this is why Americans need to take more concern in the primary elections and weed out the corporate owned employees which are carrying their water..

This country also has another problem and it is this industrial military complex which we had been warm even in the 1960′s about.

Dwight D. Eisenhower Farewell Address to the Nation on January 17, 1961:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military%E2%80%93industrial_complex

And for certain I believe the tea party republican candidates of today , “”are not”" the ones I wish to control our government.

No problem brother:

Here are a few more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFeUhSlHiUQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AteV2L9pc-U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO2OfO3Zt00

As I said before, assault is bad and no one political side has a propensity
towards violence vs the other for example Nazi’s vs Maoists were both evil
and statist authoritarians. There are violent evil people everywhere.

That’s to bad. I have worked 2 jobs before and it really sucks.

Have you considered starting a business or doing something which would
increase your earnings so you don’t have to work all day?
Owning your own business is liberating and profitable!

There are a lot of great work at home programs.

Those of us who believe that the word commonwealth is in fact a great concept, think that the distinction is very important. It is different. You don’t have to care. We’ll keep trying to make it significant. So go try to piss on someone elses good intentions, we have enough to deal with the tea party around here.

In what way was I trying to justify criminal behavior. Now….you are a bigot, and of low intelligence or at LEAST, poor reading comprehension.
I’ll let you read it again and figure out where and why you are wrong. You read my post “with your own preconceived notions” in place of my actual words. Poor reading comprehension.

Duedah!!! What state do you live in. I guarantee in 30 seconds or less I can find the worst example of humanity in your state and hold it high over your head to represent YOUR home, and hold you to your own ridiculous standard.

So 3 people are representative of not just a single state, but an entire nation. Please tell me what country you live in. History is replete with horrible people. I’ll find on to represent YOU OK. Thanks. Just post the name, I take care of the blaming and condemnation.

Anarchy is a solution to Government like Death Camps were a solution to “The Jews”.

Government isn’t a problem just like “The Jews” weren’t a problem.

Systemic corruption, greed, and elitism are the problem. How does Anarchy deal with those issues??? Oh that’s right it doesn’t. Anarchy would actually promote those things as a means to an end and thus be justifiable.

When you denigrate people based on their political affiliation you diminish any potential for any politics at all. Just because they don’t agree with you doesn’t make them lunatics. It makes you closed minded and dogmatic.

reading comprehension!!!
Obviously you didn’t get any.
A friend, in real life, that i’ve known since grade school, recently removed me from his friend list on facebook simply because I disagree with his anti-Obama health care rants and think he spends too much time listening to Glenn Beck.

My point is that attacking an entire state and saying everyone there are toothless morons is EXACTLY the same kind of ignorant crap that the people who attacked that woman are guilty of.

Reading….Com-pre-hen-sion. It means understanding…under-standing…wait…It means KNOWING what the words mean when you put them together to make ideas.
Just a suggestion.

Nope, not even close, and a respectfully submit that the platform that Paul stands for is reprehensible. As mad as the public is or thinks they are, there is no rational reason for voting for this person. Start with his desire to abolish the Americans With Disabilities Act because it’s “bad for the business owner” all the way to his racist slant and his obvious disrespect toward women and you have a candidate who should be simmering in a cabin somewhere clutching his AK-47. The guy has played his base, and one day I hope they wake up before they put this clown in office.

Whatever. Keep trying to convince someone of something through insults. That’s obviously the best way.

yes, perhaps not. It’s not my SOP in reality. I’m actually a pretty decent person.
Sigh.
But I stand by my overall assertion: In a sane world Paul would lose 99.9% to 0.1%.

That was actually my point. I doubt you would respond in this way in a discussion in real life.
So when you “flame up” the rhetoric on internet postings, we are all feeding each other a secret diet of disgust and intolerance that makes us worse when we “think” to ourselves. It’s only a matter of time before constantly insulting people over their ideas becomes a very acceptable SOP.

You chose to point out that 53% percent of the commonwealth were “lunatics”. When you do that, it’s hurting you. You are self inflicting a dogmatic limitation on yourself.
And it’s getting worse.

I look at it this way. I try to only use words that have accurate functional meaning. Ignorant. Bigot. Uninformed. and so on. You can get your point across, and it’s even derogatory, but most importantly, it can be more accurate than just flaming people.

We’ve invented the greatest thing in human history. The internet. The closest thing to absolute democracy that human kind has ever achieved. For the most part we can hear ideas and opinions from anyone in the world instantaneously and all we can do with it is call each other insulting names.
We..Humans…are actually too stupid to have the internet. We are wasting it.

A lawsuit can be used to send them into bankruptcy should justice fail in a partisan court.

Yep and i would be ashamed if you can find a lefty in any state stomping on a fellow americans head
Show me the tape

Know whether the site is opened too late.

patriots own guns.

I don’t need the police to protect me from a home invader

Anger is energy, Hindu cows don’t make change. Fighters make change just ask MLK and history

The question: Is there a reason to be angry?

Answer: Yes

Hey Crushinator, Where are your links?

I am not impressed by your name due to your shitty content.
Namely, you required citation without giving any to your defense

screen name: Crushinator requires powerful content vs
screenname: Bob J.

I have not been crushed

Tough guy …

Why would I post links to anything? I didn’t make the claim that there are ‘plenty’ of videos of tea party people getting attacked. You’re just pissy because you got called out for proof and the best you could manage were the links to the THREE (evidently three = plenty) videos. I looked at them and the first one has already been shown to be a guy taking a dive. If there were anything to the other two faux news would be running them 24-7. I have no idea what your point is with your last comments.

No, what you are saying is that because people you disagree with appear to engage in violence therefore it’s okay for people you do agree with to engage in violence.

Let me update you on the story: The woman who got her head stomped, Lauren Valle, was trying to get a picture with baby Paul with her farcical sign.The two guys who assaulted her knew who she was when she showed up and asked the police to arrest her at that point. Police said no so the two old, fat white guys took matters into their own hands. This was premeditated, they knew who she was and they wanted her handled. Since the cops wouldn’t do it, they did it; see, it’s simple. Are you an old, fat white guy who’s jealous that these two hicks didn’t include you on their ‘fun’?

One more question: this appeared in my email “wyrdless wrote, in response to The Crushinator:

Hey Crushinator, Where are your links?

Sissy”

Why isn’t it here? Am I missing it somewhere?

Sorry about the incoherent post, I had been drinking with a buddy and I
guess I shouldn’t have been online posting things. My apologies.

I never said people should be hurt. What I actually posted was that these
two guys should be prosecuted just like the people who are assaulting tea
party members should be prosecuted. Also, I’m neither old nor fat but I am
white guy.

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