That is a definite underestimate…they aren’t including all the people on the metro who, despite taking the trains from outlying suburbs couldn’t get a ride into DC. In McLean, 4 cars went past before we figured out to take the one going to Vienna and staying on it while it looped around and went back into DC. The lines for people who didn’t have a metro pass and needed to buy one, were looped around the front of the the building. There were literally thousands who could not get there. I’ve been to DC many times (including the war protest which 350,000 people attended) and have never seen so many just trying to get on the train.
Usually its only busy at all on weekends, when you get to Union Station. There were a lot of disappointed fans who weren’t counted in the total.
An older couple told me the metro in McLean was still packed at 1 PM…

What exactly did this rally or Beck’s rally accomplish? What rational points were made? Aside from continuing the false left vs right agenda, what happened?

This is like CBS telling me ABC NBC FOX and AOL are the bad guys.

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The conservative media mouthpieces in the US are pathetic. Here we have an actual aerial photo, shot by a company that Homeland Security uses, and Faux News will simply ignore the reality of it.

Reality is a non sequitor with the Right.

I recently watched Jon Stewart’s from September 20, 2001. l’ll only add that when I watched it again, I couldn’t help but think that maybe some doughy Mormon huckster has recently stolen this segment, stripped it of its sincerity, and turned it into self-serving schtick. Maybe someone should go and steal it back

Watch it HERE http://dad­inleftfiel­d.com/2010­/10/jon-st­ewart-9-11­-changed-o­ur-show.ht­ml

Hey another example of the “PROGRESSIVE” people not being very progressive and have nothing but hate for anyone who isn’t exactly like them. Don’t they call that BIGOTRY AND RACISM??? hmmm… enough said…. you expose yourself for you really are with all the hate. You are just the takers in the country give little back to the USA.

Liberals cannot do math. 500,000 is more than 150,000 last I checked. LOL What a crock!

After the rally I asked several DC cops how many people were there…(some were not very nice), but nice ones told me unofficially there were between 200,000 and 300,000. We were in the second fenced in area behind the stage. I have been to many rallies but have never been packed in so tightly with so many…no one could move. Plus you couldn’t see a thing.
We were amazed how many more people there were on the streets when we left!
Great signs, plus at Jon Stewart’s request, everyone was cleaning up the place when we left.
I am in my 50′s and there were people of all ages there. My 2 favorite sign: “If ignorance is bliss why is the tea party so angry?” and “Why weren’t you mad when Bush was running our country into the ground?”

Ah, but conservatives only get their information form one misinformation source.

chris: gee why is it people who say such things never take the opportunity to look at themselves and find out they “have nothing but hate for anyone who isn’t exactly like them” and always fail to examine what the large corporations do everyday take until the American people can not give anymore

The 500,000 is only in Glenda’s twisted mind.

Never has been proven… Like most “Facts” on faux snooze

Yeah like I was at both rallies!

Photos don’t lie.

http://www.nhteapartycoalition.org/tea/2010/10/31/beck-912-rallies-far-larger-than-comedians/

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That is absolutely false. NBC News has the Beck rally at 300,000 and the Comedy Central rally at “tens of thousands”. Objectively, there were in the neighborhood of three times as many people at the Beck rally.

yeah..and Michell “batshit crazy” Bachman said there were 1.5 million….the professional estimators said 87 thousand and your picture means nothing…you right wingers lie about everything so you have no credibility anyway…

No, they don’t

http://i.imgur.com/AoxXh.jpg

Objectively in the sense of Randian objectivism? Or in the sense of its opposite, science? The arial photos show a much much larger turnout for the Stewart rally.

Also, think about it: the Beck rally was driven by hate, by any objective measure. (“Restoring honor” implies a loss of honor due to Clinton and Obama because Clinton was frisky and Obama is black). The Stewart rally was driven by conscience about a society going off the rails thanks to demagogues like Beck. Which was better?

Oh you know the answer, you just can’t admit it.

No they don’t (well, they can, but not in this case), and there are plenty of photos showing the Stewart rally was vastly larger.

Look, getting 87,000 inbred, gun packing, boil and pustule covered, retarded hillbillies into one place is an incredible feat. They had to carry signs and walk at the same time. Sure they didn’t make a lick of sense when interviewed but what do you know, you’re not mentally challenged. Just because Stewarts crowd had 70% more teeth in their heads don’t mean diddly squat. Stupid libs.

you’re disgracing your cause.

Objectively, you are full of shit!

Actually, amend that, I looked at your photos and they’re stretched and compressed! Do you guys ever stop with your nonsense?

Take a look at the overhead image in this very article. That’s the measure you need.

by the bye, don’t you find that “don’t tread on me” logo a bit embarrassing after what you guys did in Kentucky last week and all over the nation previously? Shouldn’t it be “We stomp on you and your rights because we want all benefits for ourselves only”?

Did you take writing lessons from Sarah Palin?

Anyway, I thought you were the ones who wanted to give less back. Don’t you hate taxation of the ultra-rich?

Photos can and do lie when sent through Photoshop. It’s why photos are rarely accepted as evidence in court cases.

Regardless, even un-doctored photos can’t always give you the whole truth. How can you possibly make out a difference in numbers using only those two photos?

Tell me how you yourself came to accept that there were more people in the Beck rally image.

Um, did you even read the article? These aren’t “liberal” estimates, they’re from a company that does aerial research for the Dept. of Homeland Security and the US Border Patrol. Did you look at their aerial photo? You say “photos don’t lie,” but I’ll bet you’ll turn right around and say their photo is lying. And where did you get the 150,000 number? Not from this article. More proof that you’re not actually responding to this article but to something else entirely … something that is factually inaccurate. God forbid you actually take the time to know what something says before you go spouting off about it. I would encourage you to review the subject matter next time if you wish to
be taken seriously by the members of this forum with whom you disagree.

**Objectively? NO! Literally, there were at LEAST 3 times as many people at the Stewart rally.

What do you base your figures on?

It’s part of their shock and awe policy. Say things that so dismayingly absurd intelligent people just have to hold their heads in their hands, but such that their brain dead followers start lurching around in the streets chanting “Brains! Brains!” because they think Rush and O’Reilly are bright, which they aren’t of course.

I mean, anyone who has looked at recent pictures of the ice cap in summer could not but admit climate change is real and global emergency, yet I showed an animation of the 2007 meltdown to a conservative and all he could do was go on about Gore’s car or some such. What would it take to make these people responsible adults?

Gleck Rally http://library.thinkquest.org/12663/media/img/hitler_car.jpg

Sanity Rally http://woodstockwitness.com/bzlevine%20001.jpg

Stewart’s rally was meant to raise such questions, so it succeeded in that regard. Good insight there if a bit slow off the mark!

Teabaggers love to add extra zeros to any numbers…If I were a plumber for one of these nitwits, I could retire on a payment check for replacing a faucet.

Are you the young lady whose head was stomped at that teabagger rally?

Scroll up the page. The photo is right up there. On the left is Becks tiny red dot and on the right is a huge blue mass. Beck is a liar with no proof.

“Photos don’t lie……”

Really?

9/12 March ‘Tea Party’ Photo: False Image Spread By Anti-Reform Activists
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/14/912-tea-party-photo-false_n_286082.html

9/12 March ‘Tea Party’ Photo: False Image Spread By Anti-Reform Activists
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/14/912-tea-party-photo-false_n_286082.html

Yeah like you were at neither.

i’ll bet you are less a former u.s. marine (don’t retread garb) than a seamstress. why?
cause, “yeah like i was at both rallies,” and your other posts sound to me like they are whole cloth made up emperor robes.

At what point did anybody raise the false left vs right agenda?

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This is in reply to D who posted a link to an ariel graphic of the area covered by the Beck and Stewart rallies, respectively. Excellent!! Proof positive that the Sanity rally was 2 or 3 times bigger than Becks. Thank you for posting that.

A source for his estimate? Beck has the strength of his BELIEF. If he BELIEVES that 500,000 people attended his event, that’s what happened, your “facts” and “accurate data” notwithstanding.

You are wrong. What were you watching yesterday?

Loulalbelle… put down the crack pipe. You’re delusional.

huh? i say, i say, i think your bell’s cracked, son!

If photo’s don’t lie, then you obviously haven’t heard of an image editing tool known as Photoshop. Or how some cable news organizations, Fixed News, edit their stories with incorrect facts or blatant lies.

Great graphics! Proof positive showing the Sanity rally was 2 or 3 times larger than becks.

The only time 150k was mentioned in regards to Jon’s rally was the very early estimate that the Mythbusters threw out. For just eyeballing from the stage, they were pretty close.

What is that a response to? Your comment was on how Liberals presumably can’t do math, on account they don’t view Fixed News. My reply to your erroneous comment was that conservatives have moved en mass towards Fixed News which claims that it is a political machine. Which has again and again been accused of misinformation, to which it does not deny. Since the time I replied to your erroneous comment, you have edited it saying “photo’s don’t lie. There in again you are wrong as people have access to these magical boxes known commonly as “computers”. With these “computers” one can “edit” a photograph. We no longer live in an analog world. The digital age has made photographs obsolete as proof of anything.

We are being quiet tolerant and polite in telling you that you are about as wrong as you could possible be and still be conscious. We will take the courtesy further and not even tell you that like satellite rallies were held all over this country, then extended internationally as well. Those numbers can stand alone, or we could really explode your lil head and count them too

Your photo of Stewart’s rally is cropped to not even show 1/3 of the total attendance. Undoctored photos don’t lie, but they can mislead. Here’s the problem you’re having: Welcome to the Internet, home of Photoshop.

Check the TP rally picture, on the left side. See all that green? That’s where grass is showing, as in low crowd density. That’s only one of the problems here.

See how the picture of Beck’s rally starts (almost) at the furthest end from the stage? (The rally extends just a bit past 17th St, but density is so low at the bottom of the picture that the rest is unnecessary.)

Now look at Stewart’s rally. Excluding where they’re not allowed to stand, it keeps going, from 3rd St way back to 14th St.

I just measured on Google Maps. The space the Rally to Restore Sanity took up almost a 1 mile stretch. The Rally to Restore Honor came out to about 2500 ft, or 1/2 mile. It’s reasonable to assume just from that, seeing that the width of both rallies was about the same, that Sanity had at least twice as many people as Honor.

citation please!…this is a scientific estimate of 215000, as apposed to a pulled out of someones asses estimate…and this doesn’t even account for the satellite rally’s not just in the U.S, but all around the planet…

that doesn’t make you a crowd estimation expert…

Not surprising. The number of Americans who are whackjobs is much lower than the number who are relatively normal. Thank God Stewart attracts the ‘relatively normal’.

I think that LouFr was being sarcastic.

Did you read me post? NBC News. WTF?

wow, look at some of these comments here. The Rally to Restore Sanity was a good rally with a good message promoting civil discourse.

It’s ashame that message has fallen on deaf ears.

The success of the rally should be measured not on how many attended it. But on how those who attended it, watched it, or speak highly of it conduct themselves in the aftermath of it.

Reading some of these comments here it is clear the Rally to Restore Sanity was a failure.

That’s a shame. Jon Stewart would be ashamed and embarrassed at of some of you. Shame on you.

Really?…

“Objectively, there were in the neighborhood of three times as many people at the Beck rally”

..you could be right, but it doesn’t seem like a sarcastic comment to me…

wow, look at some of these comments here. The Rally to Restore Sanity was a good rally with a good message promoting civil discourse.

It’s ashame that message has fallen on deaf ears.

The success of the rally should be measured not on how many attended it. But on how those who attended it, watched it, or speak highly of it conduct themselves in the aftermath of it.

Reading some of these comments here it is clear the Rally to Restore Sanity was a failure.

That’s a shame. Jon Stewart would be ashamed and embarrassed at of some of you. Shame on you.

My impression was that LouFr was poking fun at NBCs estimates. Maybe not. It’s hard to say.

Here is an example of the WORST kind of crypto-fascism

It comes wrapped in a red ribbon with a nice message attached.

But when you unwrap the package there is the same old same old hatred and fear inside.

Go home troll, and try your devious conniving crap somewhere else.

Many conservative outlets were running pictures of the Beck rally, just like they ran pictures of it for the teabaggers. Lying is in the conservative’s nature

Jon I love you, but like a yeast infection these people will keep coming back and coming back and coming back unless we eliminate the dark warm moist environment in which they breed. That’s going to take lots of jails, trials, and public punishment.

That’s a pretty cool trick how all those Stewart Rally people stayed off the grass and on the concrete path- almost eerily if you ask me… but then I’m a photographer and when you look at the photo, it just sends a red flag, if not a chuckle to my heart-

Those crazy re-pubs trying be Fairly Unbalanced again.
At least you know how Fox does it now… Good Job gadsdengurl!

> Most analysts expect Republicans, driven by the momentum of the tea parties and a dissatisfaction at Obama’s handling of the economy, …

Good lord, even Raw Story is parroting this “tea parties” nonsense? How about the millions in outside, anonymous cash flooding the airwaves, or this: http://bit.ly/cNGMlU

The Tea Party movement’s main contribution was providing cover for the same old Republican power brokers and policies to sneak back into office, but the movement didn’t happen without their biggest backers, big$ and Fox News.

chuckle. Yeah, I look forward to Colbert confessing defeat, conceding that Beck’s feeling that he had 500,000 attendees trumps CBS’ scientific fact-based assessment. Truthiness will out.

The photo of Beck’s rally is taken from much closer than the photo of the Sanity rally. Ever hear of “perspective”?

Got bliss?

The photo of Beck’s rally was taken much closer than the photo of the Sanity rally. Have you never heard of “perspective”?

I believe that this user, like several others, are simply asking for a specific reference to the NBC News story, in order to review your claim.

Absent that, your statement is merely hearsay.

November 2nd will be a referendum on sanity in politics. People will show up just to say they’re against the insane, bigoted, fascist politics of the right.

well, I’d have to agree with you, since a photo doesn’t make any specific claim. However, the claim that you are making is utter nonsense.

from parallax, to scale, to photoshop, there are almost limitless ways to fool the viewer. you’re in the pudding, chum.

Those photos can’t be compared. The Beck photo is taken much closer than the Sanity photo. The perspectives are totally different. Also, the Sanity crowd was much denser. The Beck people had picnic blankets and lawn chairs.

“Good lord, even Raw Story is parroting this “tea parties” nonsense? ”

What kind of hogwash are you drinking this evening? Please keep it to yourself.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/10/european-polluters-tea-party-candidates/

You gotta something close to NO BRAINS to accuse Raw Story of not being up on this stuff.

I don’t EVER watch fox or read fox.. i only get their drama through other websites. that said, i’m curious how they’ve reacted to the rally. I have to assume that sarah palin’s rant about cbs and the so called phone call they taped, i think that was an attempt to rev up drama and news to take away from the story of the rally.

Then NBC news was a big FAIL. I live in DC & drove up 14th st NW on the days of both rallies while they were in progress. During the Beck rally, traffic was light, though there were pedestrians wandering around carrying signs. We could not see the actual rally. During the Sanity Rally, which was supposed to be taking place between 3rd and 7th Sts NW, northbound traffic was at a crawl because of crowds still walking to the main staging area, and there were large crowds settled in to our left (15th St and further) because the areas in between were already jam packed. The Sanity rally dwarfed the “Restoring Honor” dog and pony show. And it was a much nicer crowd. I’m so glad to know that the wingnuts don’t have a monopoly on political discourse.

Exactly..

No reason to feel embarrassed, I would think. Seems GOP SOP to be hypocritical, no?
“‘Don’t tread on me’ doesn’t mean I can’ t stomp on you!”

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who the hell cares whos is bigger? i thought those were stupid things we fought about in junior high… the point was to listen to someone who is trying to promote sensibleness and reason

Unfortunately they must have counted extremities on the ground and divided by two. In that kind of a tally a knuckledragger counts as 2 bi-pedals.

Greetings,

You forgot to mention that the Teaflakes needed at least twice as much room for their ancient lard asses. Lucky for us that they are too overweight and out of shape to do anything but assault women.

If it ever does come to a fight then all we need to do is shut down all the Buffet’s in town (saw that on an episode of South Park) to make ‘em beg for mercy. What a bunch of losers.

Hey, dumbs#it… as a TV news cameraman, I know how to play lens tricks just like Fox Noize… I can make a small crowd look MUCH larger with the use of tight shots, just like Fixed Noise…

Maybe we need to realize where the teatards are comming from, after all over at beck-u in math they are taught that 2 + 2 = HITLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And of course, 2 + 3 = COMMING TO GET GRANNY!!!
so math is not their strongsuit

gadsdengurl: Photos don’t lie.

Your photo especially! It clearly DOESN’T show National Museum of the American Indian, built in 2004. Did the righteous-right pray it out of the way for the day?

Unless you traded in your Schlitz collection for a helicopter ride, then you would have no context to even begin to estimate the crowd.

So no one ever sat you down and explained simple math or, more importantly, spatial relationships, apparently.

I know, I know… just the fact that you point to a post that calls this rally (where “Love Train” was performed and the message was “We are all Americans and we all work together”) a “Hate fest” shows us all how desperately you want Beck’s Klan rally of very old, very white, very racist people to have been larger- much like Conservatwit men wish of their penises.

But fear not, in the spirit of being a fellow citizen, I will help you understand why your “amazing photographic proof” does not stand up to the, well, MATH, used to calculate the estimates- by a PROFESSIONAL COMPANY.

Notice the picture of Beck’s Klan rally? See the GIGANTIC REFLECTING POOL separating the sparsely populated people spread along it’s length? The “oval” that shows just how much “bigger” Beck’s rally is makes one assume the full size of said oval is full of people. Now, I do require glasses, but I saw NO EVIDENCE of any racists or delusional “I wish it was 1950 still” types swimming in the pool shoulder to shoulder.

Now notice the Stewart rally, where, sadly for your hopes, there is NOTHING separating the throngs of people packed tightly together and spread out WAY beyond the planning lines.

Now, the way math works is this: You figure out where people ACTUALLY are, how many are in a given area, and add them together. The way you’re wishing math works is this: You circle an entire area in which less than 15% contains people, BUT that oval appears LARGER than the oval that contains more people in it, thus…. BECK WINS!

His loving message of exclusion of all Americans, xenophobia, bigotry and racism towards all (anyone non-white is not alright!) and delusional worldview and lacking historical knowledge, combined with his utter lack of wisdom and intellect, indeed win out.

Yes, you are a great American indeed for pointing out to us this rally where people were saying, “Really? You disagree so you throw someone on the ground and stomp on their head? That’s not what America is about” is truly evil. The founding fathers would be proud of you.

(Uh, by which, I meant founding fathers of the Ku Klux Klan.)

Crowd density should also be considered. The freshly showered and operable humans at the most recent rally seem to be twice as close together as their more odious Beck-a-muffin troglodytes.

Jon Stewart took his cues from Fox News. He provided a “fair and balanced” approach, insinuating that the rhetoric of Keith Olbermann is on par with that of Glenn Beck. Failure is right.

What would it take?

Simple: What they really want. Another civil war.

Dude you totally called it!

I just have this to say about that:

Stewart and Colbert are centrists. That their rally/performance would attract half that of Woodstock (400,000-500,000), and perhaps 3 times that of Glenn Beck’s seems to me, normal. Centrists are, supposedly, the majority. For Beck fans to think he got half a million people in DC is even funnier than the Comedy Central scions’ shtick.

Their October surprise might inspire a few people to go vote who wouldn’t have otherwise. Nevertheless, if you watched the Daily Show during 2001-2009, you might be able to see a transition in the writing style and subject matter that occurred post-election. That is, who do we make fun of now? They make fun of the Islamophobes, the homophobes, the quirky ‘center’-right of our country that is altogether hilarious if you can properly frame their hypocrisy. They joke about Obama, because not to do so would be too blatantly partisan.

They make light of it. They entertain you with it. They make you smile and therefore, it is good.

They won’t try to bring you down with commentary on the Wars or the various frauds perpetrated by our representative government. It is altogether far too easy to make fun of Bernie Madoff, crack jokes about Dick Cheney, wax sarcastic about the far-right, while they give brain-pleasure to people in my generation who like to think they are smarter than American Nazis.

I don’t watch John or Steve anymore, because I’ve got better things to do than massage my ego over some comedians’ appeal to the middle class sense of humor. When you have an underclass sense of humor, the only thing on cable TV that makes you laugh anymore is ‘A 1000 Ways to Die’.

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i guess what people want to be true will always be more factual than scientific evidence, huh? honestly, thank god for jon stewart.

As the Democratic Party crashes and burns in the true tradition of the theater they “Sent in the Clowns” Have a happy Tuesday libs!

You should try getting your material from somewhere other than ashat Drudge.

Living in Ottawa-Hull CanaDa I was not there in body, but I was there in Spirit, watching the whole event being streamed by the Comedy Network, the 1st time I ever watch a streaming broadcast of anything. Besides, I’m banned from the U.S. for life for a conviction of simple possession of hashish from the 70s.

Actually, anyone over 300 lbs was counted twice.

[...] the meantime, 215,000 people gathered on the Capitol Mall in Washington, D.C. [image] on Saturday attending a demonstration called by TV [...]

Jon Stewart insinuated nothing. He came right out and said they are on a par. He chided cable news, from all directions, as fueling the divisive discourse in this country. Were you there? It was the theme of the entire rally. Didn’t the video montages about race and fear resonate with you at all? Didn’t you notice that the clips were coming from all cable channels, not just from FOX News. Jon Stewart was right in the premise that what is wrong with this country is in the eyes of the 24 hour news cycle cable news channels, ALL of them. The majority of the country is just trying to get on with our lives, one day at a time, any way we can. Damn you, Ted Turner. Kudos, Jon Stewart. The rally was a success

[...] to Restore Sanity and/or Fear” ranged widely—but a scientific study has pinned down the tally, rawstory.com reports. AirPhotosLive.com, a company that creates estimates for government agencies such as the [...]

..and the folks behind the website titled “nhteapartycoalition” doesn’t even attempt to hide their bias when they label Stewart’s rally “Jon Stewart Hate Fest”.

You mean at a family re-union, trolling for dates.

Maybe AirPhotosLive just can’t count. Clearly their picture is accurate, but they failed at estimating how many people were in the areas in question.

Obviously Beck is right, he had 300-500k people at his rally. The photo shows an area 2-3 times larger for Stewart’s rally.

That’s right, Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert must have pulled in 600,000-1,500,000 people for their rally. Any way you look at it, Beck lost.

why wouldn’t the sane outnumber the insane? No surprises there. Here’s an interesting take on the state of affairs though… http://dadinleftfield.com/2010/10/we-plum-crazy.html

Exactly…let it just be said there were sane people runnning all over DC, happy, laughing and hopeful people. I think it was enough and actual gave me a little glimmer of hope once again.

“Scientific estimate: ‘Sanity’ rally more than twice the size of Beck’s August tea party”

No surprise. I heard his dick’s really small as well.

My crew had a great time and I really don’t care who’s rally was bigger. I loved Stewart’s closing remarks and believe that is how most of us at the Rally feel:
“We hear every damn day about how fragile our country is, on the brink of catastrophe, torn by polarizing hate and how it’s a shame to work together to get things done. The truth is, we do! We work together to get things done every-damn-day! The only place we don’t is here (Washington, DC) or on cable TV. But Americans don’t live on cable TV.”

“You are just the takers in the country give little back to the USA. ”

You should really get some facts before you type – Liberal states pay for the welfare of conservative states. They give more to the federal gov and get back less. Red states give less and get back more.

So…your wrong.

I have no problem with liberals in general, but it troubles me when they allow themselves to become deluded. Think about the title of this article. “Scientific estimates” say that the rally you support was twice as big as the rally that you don’t?!? Are you people serious? You think that NBC News is lying to you just for the fun of it? The attendance of the Beck rally was literally TRIPLE the Comedy Central rally. Triple.

You are welcome to hold any political beliefs you want, but don’t allow it to make you delusional.

Another meaningless rally that accomplishes nothing.

Unless you attended both events and did a scientifically provable count yourself, I would be careful about accusing anyone of being delusional.

Did you even look at the crowd pictures? BIG f***king difference in numbers. This rally had more people.

you obviously don’t realize it now.

but Jon Stewart and the Rally to Restore Sanity were directing their criticism toward people such as you!

First of all, your are an idiot. Secondly, the same company that estimated this rally estimated Beck’s rally. Thirdly, looking at the diversity that made up this rally and the what made up Beck’s rally, is it any wonder why Sharron Angle wants to get rid of the Dept. of Education. Ignorance equals votes for her. And fourthly, you are an idiot.

Get out and vote… it does matter.

I believe Stewart himself did – if you hear/read his closing speech you will find it well raised and perhaps a bit of answered.

I am going to have to disagree with you, njboomer.

Going back to 9/11 you saw the rise of FOX News propaganda noise machine grow in power by exploiting the state of mind so many Americans were in through the use of fear, sex, and subliminal imagery to brainwash. Now you have a section of society who believes only what comes from FOX News (and right wing radio – there one in the same). And there were the obvious eight disastrous years of Bush that FOX News whitewashed. And where was the MSM? Not doing their job as Jon Stewart pointed out.

So when Keith Olbermann came about it was actually a blessing for Democracy. Like his hero, Edward Murrow, Olbermann has become the antithesis of FOX News much like Murrow was the antithesis of McCarthyism. The great Walter Cronkite said one time, “The truth tends to take a liberal point of view.” And of course, for anybody who watches Olbermann… or Rachel Maddow or other MSNBC shows, they know they have been rationally critical of the political process of both parties. I think that Jon Stewart agrees with Olbermann more than not but for the rally being partisan was politically correct.

Now this comment only makes sense if you have been paying attention, learning your history and having an understanding of what happened during the Bush years and just how bad the Republicans messed up this country. Ever since Reagan this country has gone in the wrong direction. Bush just took it to a whole nother level.

NBC is in the news business and a subsidiary of a government contractor. AirPhotosLive is in the air photos and crowd estimates business and is not beholden to any corporate interests. You are welcome to hold any political beliefs you want, but air photos don’t lie.

The crowd was larger than Beck’s, the signs were spelled correctly and the creativity of the signs about 10 times that of Beck’s followers. MUCH more entertaining, indeed! At least when Stewart and Colbert clown, they do it in a sane way. Beck just goes off the deep end into (fake) weepinees. As the sign said, fear the weeper!

I see the comments were closed on that link. I guess they didn’t want anyone to add facts to refute their assertion. I also noticed that they referred to the Stewart rally as a “Hate Fest”. Even if there were only half as many people attending, one would have to be pretty biased to look at that rally and call it a hate fest. Hate was about the furthest thing from my mind when I watched it.

Only a hater could have twisted a peaceful gathering into a “hate fest”.

Beyond out right photo editing, There are other ways to distort facts. For instance I’d like to know when the two photos were shot. The crowd at the height of the Stewart rally was WAY bigger then shown in that photo. Perhaps the photo was taken early in the morning before everyone had arrived? In any case It didn’t represent reality.

7th NW up to Pennsylvania Ave should be in the blue too. It was packed with people walking in the closed street from the Chinatown Metro Stop

Well you could at least TRY to do a bit of research:

http://www.nationalmall.org

As part of the rally they have raised a LOT of money to preserve the National Mall.

There’s nothing comparable between the “liberals” of MSNBC and the bloodthirsty terrorists at Fox. If you think there is, you are the problem.

“why wouldn’t the sane outnumber the insane? No surprises there.”
I would like to think that that’s true but sometimes I wonder?
It seems like as soon as you venture a few miles east of the Pacific Coast and just a tad west of the Atlantic you are quickly in knuckledragger territory.

Typical of a wingnut, just make shit up despite actual FACTS to the contrary. No wonder “you people” have a problem with science. If it does not confirm your belief then is not to be trusted.
So Lou where is the photo to prove your claim about Beckhead’s Klan rally? Oh yeah its right here with the one showing humans walking the earth the same time as T Rex!

There you go again uzn that “fuzzy math” to confuze people…. typical Libural elitist!

If the Baggers propel the GOP back into control of the Hosue I have just one question for the Wingosphere. Now what?

That would require the courage of an actual JOURNALIST! These stories end up on the production room floor why? Because the money flooding in pay for the salaries of the producers and is the PROFIT of the MSN.

Expecting this story to get adequate coverage would be like expecting the heroin addict to turn in his dealer because he was selling good stuff!

I’m banned from the U.S. for life….

Life is a long time. Even people sent to prison for life in the US get paroled sometimes. I’d give it another shot.

AC for once we agree 100%. There is no TV personality on the “left” even close to the venom spewing haters on the right who constantly make factually unsupported claims and false assertions about “liberal” motivations.

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If I’m not mistaken, Glenn Beck himself said “I am a rodeo clown; It takes great skill.” He also said “I say on the air all time, ‘if you take what I say as gospel, you’re an idiot.’ ”

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Independant analysis of both events BY THE SAME COMPANY put the Stewart/Colbert rally more than double the Beck rally. How are you not the one that is delusional?

Good to know you spend so much time thinking about other guys junk. I guess someone needs to do it.

Watch Jon Stewart first post 9-11 broadcast recently here: http://dadinleftfield.com/2010/10/jon-stewart-9-11-changed-our-show.html

I will only add that when I watched it again, I couldn’t help but think that maybe some doughy Mormon huckster has recently stolen this segment, stripped it of its sincerity, and turned it into self-serving schtick.

I think this weekend Jon stole it back.

Claiming someone who disagrees with your extremely limited point of view, “is the problem” is what makes you “ACTUALLY THE PROBLEM”.. lol.
Only the Sith deal in absolutes!!!

Which I guess forces them to vote fo the insane, bigoted, fascist politics of the left.

I wish we could just vote for no insane, bigoted, fascist politics. That would be nice.

meaningless in that 200,000 people showed up to say enough already?
that they are not going to be led like Beck Sheep?
that John Stewart and Stephen Colbert did NOT WEAR bullet proof vests?
that nobody carried signs w/ NAZI images
that nobody carried automatic weapons to the Rally, you mean that kind of meanigless ness?????

You guys wasted the nations time and our money chasing after Clinton’s dick.

Not one person but your entire party tried to impeach the man over his dick.

You can’t be serious.

Your ilk are about to fuck over the nation again and you are happy?

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we do not need any more pot smoking foriegners in our country. We are filled with corporate criminals and their puppets controling our government to make it better for us. Hash smoking is what terrorist do before they go out and blow themselves up. No telling what you might do to us. just stay home with your socialist health care and retirement programs. At least we have that pot seed selling Canadian in jail for life where he belongs. BTW- do you have access to any hemp clothing material? I am thinking about making clothing made in the US by US workers, but I cannot find any cloth made from hemp grown in the US. I hear it is one of your major exports.

At least he ain’t wasting time sucking other guys junk like you gays…uhm… guys in the Gay Od Party. Hahaa, where you have to be a closeted slef loathing gay to be in order to even join. All you gus DO is think about gay gay gay gay gay gay.

Like the American soldiers who re-introduced pot to the public domain in America on returning from war in Viet Nam, U.S. soldiers are smoking real Afghan hashish and then killing Afghani civilians for sport.

Is it the hash or the fog of war?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39697202/

Assumptions and Reading Comprehension.
You have too much of one and not enough of the other. Figure it out.

While FOX News embellishes a good bit more than MSNBC, the latter still does a good bit of their own framing and spinning of issues to the point where there is an obvious slant to it. Now, Fox pisses me off moreso than the others simply because their degree of vitriolic exaggeration is WAAAAY over-the-top, but fear-mongering and name-calling is in no way unique to the conservative side of the aisle. A fair example of this is Olberman vs. Beck. Beck clearly has more of a theatrical flair to his nonsense, but both produce enough blatant propaganda for their respective sides that neither one is worth listening anymore.

To compare Fox to MSNBC is to compare Hitler to a newborn baby. It’s amazing how stupid some Americans are, how short your memories are.

FYI – http://www.marquecanadabrand.agr.gc.ca/tools-utils/4687-eng.htm

Well John, thanks for flagging that Official Canadian Government website link promoting Industrial hemp. I never knew that. It appears to be a new, budding industry.

Comparing Fox to MSNBC is to compare one product to a similar product that is just marketed to a different subset of demographically targeted people.

So the comparison is between Fox and MSNBC, which is exactly the same as Comparing Old Spice Deodorant to Speed Stick Deodorant.

The difference is that you are a rabid fanboy for one set of marketing key traits and opposed to the other set of traits.

That just makes you an uninformed consumer of media products.

How are you going to survive as the news and media companies further specialize their targeted approach to sending out information on behalf of their mega corporate parent companies and the advertisers who constantly want new and creative ways of embedding their adverts and messages to build brand loyalty to the point that people are willing to fist fight over which channel is “better”???

You actually need to understand that it is YOUR JOB to defend yourself against media and emotional manipulation for the sake of marketing. Otherwise..you’ll end up as some twit who rants about a single media company while being ravaged by them all.

This is real life. No one was put here to hold your hand through it.

I don’t watch any of those shows. Unlike you, I think for myself.

Were you able to think for yourself, you would be able to see the difference between Fox and MSNBC. But you don’t. And you can’t.

Now you know why you allow Jon Stewart to think for you. You’ve made my point as clear as day. I love when people do that.

OK I’ve done my best….Someone needs to come and take your computer or phone away….you are not allowed on the internet. I revoke your internet privileges AtlanticCapers. And I sentence you to 3 months of remedial reading comprehension classes. Because words have meaning, and when you link them together, you can express ideas.

CASE CLOSED!

Okay. Go back to watching TV. Come back the next time somebody tells you what to think. But try to come up with something better than “Fox is the same as MSNBC.”

Good luck.

On the question of sanity, someone uploaded this music video to CNN’s iReports. I never heard of the singer before, but I think she has such a great voice and the lyrics are haunting. I replay it as I surf other websites and discussion boards.

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-508976

I am in the process of doing that since my older sister rented a luxurious 2 bedroom condo in Datona Beach, Florida and she will be there from January 1 to May all by her lonesome.

Canadian news media estimated there were between 300,000 to 500,000 people at the event. That is historic for an event on the Mall.

Anyone who actually believes that Clown Beck had more people at his rally need only look at comparative aerial photos of each rally. The difference between them is amazing! And gratifying. Now, everyone – please carry that energy over to tomorrow (if you haven’t already voted early). Let’s keep things where they belong!!!!!

And the Republicans win the election and we are one step further down the path to a fascist police state.

It WAS enormous. Which is why its futility is so sad.

Take the beam out of thine own eye.

Well, they are winning this one. What are you going to do about it?

You’ve never been careful about accusing anyone of anything.

Hashis from the ’70s! Must be awfully stale …

Jesus. You Canadians just CAN’T RESIST THE PUNS, can you. Budding industry. Humph.

I thing you mean “odorous.’ If that’s a word. “Odious” means “hateful”–nothing to do with odor.

Happy, laughing, and hopeful people who are well enough off not to worry about the fascist hell the Republiscum are trying to set up.

Another word might be “escapists.”

In your case, smugness seems to have replaced civility. There’s a huge difference.

If the polls are right, the folks you’re talking about are definitely running late.

Yes, he’s happy. Try a little civility. That’ll fix things up!

You may be a centrist, but when it comes to long-winded pomposity, you are definitely extreme.

By the way, the snippy tone of your post is the antithesis of civility.

So, in your omniscient view, why is it exactly that the Refuckliscum are winning this election?

Since when is your obnoxious smugness in any way civil? You’re a complete lout, just a passive-aggressive one.

I hate the Tea Party, but this bigoted spew about “retarded hillbillies” is unacceptable.

Who the hell do you think YOU are, you spoiled-rotten little pantywaist?

I might be long-winded, but I am NOT a centrist.

I have a feeling all the pollsters prophesying a Republican sweep may be proved wrong.

Ha! Ha!. I just wish I would meet a Canadian soldier returning from Afghanistan with a kilo. (2.2 pounds) It costs $200 over there and would sell for $10,000-$12,000 over here.

I have not seen genuine Afghani hash since the 80s. Now it’s all garbage repress.

The story of Jesus turning water into wine main message is what the Governor of the Feast said on tasting it, and it applies to more than just wine, hash and many other products we buy.

Usually, when men drink, you serve the best wine first, and after they have well drunk, you serve the wine that is inferior. In this case, you have kept the best until last.

The best is yet to come as people think we are in the last days.

Hey asshole, what the fuck are you talking about – - “another guy’s junk”? What the fuck is another guy’s junk?
Is that black gutter street talk that’s supposed to be hip talk? Fucking asshole. Speak English.

you may need to check yourself. sweat, girls in pigtails,,, are you running for office somewhere or do you have a room with little girls in it? Your comment below regarding industrial Hemp is also moronic. Hemp is a very viable business in many parts of the world. Just not in the US where we have entrenched ag interests, pharama and for profit prisons that would loss money if there was compitition. Get your six-pack Joe, take a Prozax smack the wife around and watch Dancing with the Stars. Maybe you will still be able to jack-off watching the little Palin girl on TV, maybe she will put her hair in pigtails. You should really stay at Huffpo, there are thinking people here

Actually, no, you’re not. Simple possession is fine, especially if the record has been expunged as anything more than a few years old has been. If you were trafficking or possession for trafficking, it can be a little tougher. If there is an important reason to visit, you might want to check out the US Embassy in Ottawa.

Having said that, why would you want to visit unless you have relatives here?

Another meaningless comment that accomplishes less than nothing

Considering I’ve never posted here before yet alone accused anyone here of anything, your reply seems somewhat nonsensical. Maybe you’re confusing me with another Joe. I’m not him.

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Here is what scares me: the fact that this even news. Shouldn’t we all just presume that a rally for sane people should outnumber a rally for the disturbed fringe? http://dadinleftfield.com/2010/10/jon-stewart-9-11-changed-our-show.html

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