“Damn right”, I should be prosecuted for war crimes”………..bush

Damn right Mr President you will be going to Hague very soon !!!

what a tough guy he is

a real coward

Question for The Hague…You have your admissions. When does the trial start?

I agree the self proclaimed war criminal should be fitted in his orange jump suit along with the rest of his administration for war crimes

Every prosecutor in the US and everyone at the UN cant catch me HAhAHa-George Bush

Scumbag, that will hopefully burn in hell.

Not much else to say really.

Bush might be an idiot, but his legal team isn’t. Sadly, publishing a self incriminating statement indicates he and his legal team have absolutely NO concern of prosecution.

Would any Nazi’s have been prosecuted if they won the war?

isnt it nice he takes all the work out of the icc investigations and proves their case for them bush realy is a dumb ass. i guess he is forcing the gov to start investigations like the hague asked them to do, now if he plea bargans for life in jail insted of execution and rats the zionist nazis out we might just get to move forward , you all realize you have to or the hague will.

Since Bush approves of waterboarding, will it be appropriate to use it on him & Cheney when their high treason comes to light?

The Hague should bring charges and begin the investigation and the trial without the criminals being in attendence. Bush and Chaney will never leave the US again. Like Kissenger, they will have to stay away from being exposed to governments that actually follow the international laws against war crimes.

He’s taunting us–bragging that he’s above justice. An open admission that the law doesn’t apply to the plutocracy.

Jewphobe alert!

The ‘Damn right’ I personally ordered waterboarding’ quote might have been followed by the statement: “Why the heck do you think I bought up all that land in several different South American countries that don’t have extradition laws?”, but then again, I’m only speculating…

The bottom line on this is that once the “enemy” gets the US to break the rules because they break them …..the “enemy” has already won.

When we torture, it’s a guarantee that our armed forces will be tortured. George Bush is a traitor that tossed aside our principles on a whim. He MUST be brought to trial or we lose our collective soul and we lose the right to help establish democracies elsewhere because we have lost it here.

Nothing will come of this.

Nothing will come of this.

OK now can we arrest that son of bitch- Hey Holder! read bushes book! He confessed to war crimes!

do your job and go get get that little prick, he’s down here in Texas hiding out!

Damn right Bush gets to spend the rest of his life in federal prison.

So, we will arrest cannabis users but let this crime against humanity go unpunished. We live in one fucked up country and that’s a fucking fact Jack.

OK, then. An indisputable, open admission of a war crime. Let the trial begin.
So can get a seat at the Hague through Ticketmaster, or what?

Your right.

I had high hopes that President Obama would take care of our national shame but he’s looking forward to some war crimes of his own apparently.

First true thing I’ve heard him say, aside from that he’d like to have been our dictator.

Now we’ll see if we’re a country of Laws and not Men.

the fruit of a demonic unrepentant heart… it appears there is no hope for certain men blinded by self delusion and pride.

An admission of guilt of war crimes.

America helped to execute German and Japanese who did that same thing post WW2.

The answer is “Morals, ethics and the high ground” ….. What is, “What did we lose in the 21st century in America.”

Unfortunately, he will have to wait for the afterlife to be dealt with justly. I don’t think any POTUS has ever been indicted, charged or sanctioned for anything after their term so he will probably get away with murder.

shame nobody waterboarded bush and cheney before 911, it could have saved lives.

Jesus, leave the jews out of this one

As I recall, Dubya used to torture small animals when he was a kid. This is a leading indicator of future psychological behavior and has been shown as a precursor to anti-social and sociopath personality disorder diagnosis. To say that Dubya is a sociopath is not over reaching, if you ask me. He has exhibited strong, narcissistic personality disorder behavior and has problems separating reality from fantasy. The delusion of WMD in Iraq, when Bush’s team knew full well that Saddam had only what the U.S., under the Reagan Admin had given him back in the mid 1980s, is a indicator of his flights of mental fantasy and derangement. That the UN inspectors knew that all WMD bio and chemical weapons had degraded to inert and Saddam canceled his nuke program 20 years before the invasion, went unheeded, shows Bush disregard for fact. Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld should be tried in court. If only he had received a blow-job in the Oval Office, he’d been impeached already. Damn!

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zionist alert

a dry drunk with no moral compass admits what a POS he is……

…and place the zionists in the mix.

Um, there were Japanese soldiers put to death for this as a war crime. American exceptionalism at it’s worst.

Well geeze, Louise . . . what a predicament for the Department of Justice . . . the former president publicly admits war crimes . . .

Q. what ever is a gutless corporate douchebag of an attorney general to do?

A. Nada, same as ever . . . .

Damn right he and Cheney need to stand in the dock at The Hague.

As much as I agree with the sentiment, Obama has already shielded the Bush team from any kind of prosecution and will stick to that as he has continued the same policies himself and hidden some of the worst behind “state secrets” arguments.
If he did try anything he would see some fierce retribution.
Nope there will be NO justice here, and hence more INjustice.

Since I no longer live in the Republik of Fascistan, I hear the comments of the worlds tourists when they pass through our small port looking for their dreams. Those who are american ask me why I wear anti american slogans, or anti reich wing articles, the rest of the world salutes me and cheers me on.

The country of my birth has become a leper, and it isn’t an intelligent one either. There is no other way to put it. You have lost all standing and credibility with the rest of the world. Your health care is abysmal to say the least, the education system for your children is underfunded, understaffed and lacking in the abilities to teach children anything at all about what is happening in the world today. You seem to live for self gratification and have delusions of self grandeur. You are petty, vain, selfish, ignorant, bigoted, self righteous, hypocritical, people, who for reasons unbeknown to me have taken up a style of religion that is an abomination to any thinking person or persons outside your sphere of influence.

To say I do not like what has befallen the country of my birth would be putting it lightly. I despise your government and will do all within my power to see that you fail completely and totally. I do NOT buy american, if it isn’t Japanese, Chinese, European Common Market or Oceanic manufactured I will do without. I watched the gutless ones voting this time and allowing the Reich Wing and Blue Dogs to continue their rampages. I see them take away your rights and see YOUR leaders do nothing to bring justice to those who have become traitors and war criminals. You lay down like whipped dogs and whimper.. They cut your rights and benefits and give them to the billionaires who have made their money enslaving the common man. The bankers fix the books, forge the documents that are used to evict some poor bastard and his family from a house that he owned and was paying for, up to the time that the Rich Reich Wing Mother F*cker closed the business where he was working and moved it overseas with the tax monies the same employee/employees had paid to the government from their pittance saleries. The elected officials, whom YOU elected then cut off unemployment benefits and the family was on the street. Don’t you feel any remorse? Any Compassion? Any Anger?

When our government does things like this we man the barricades and rip up the flags and paving and use them to destroy whatever government building we can find. We’re not afraid to make our voices heard.. I pledge alliegance to no one, nothing, no country, no flag, no religion, church, or belief.

I am honored to be French, when I return home, I am greeted with a salute from the customs and the Gendarmes at our airport and welcomed home. When I went to the United States, I was stripped searched in and out… No! No Thank You!! I would much much rather have my freedom than to ever be an american again.

Just this old Chief’s 2 cent rant

well chip i have jewish freinds i dont have a thing against jews just zionisium and i dont hate its a waist of my time .this zionizium is the driver of our gov. 100000 aipact is a problem that needs to be addressed. they are why we are at war, you were told we was at war becaus of 911. we are there because we are fighting there wars for them 911 was no more than their pearl harbor the starting gun, now bush was just pupet and you can guess who the pupet masters are. they now have taken most of your constatutional rights next will be your freedom to do what you whant to do, then you will do as dictated and if you dont the brown shirts will do ya now do you see a simalarity between our problems and zionists agenda do you like the idea of a new world order . a guy exposed a nazi plot in the thirtys and it was stopped . now its back again making great headway and it needs to be stopped, this time it needs to be stopped for good. and were do you think it will be stopped if not by a war crimminal investigation?

I’ve been trying for years to help steer this country to greatness and it just falls further and further. I am so tired of going backwards, tired of being Sisyphus. Was it easy to immigrate to France? Are they accepting applications from Americans for citizenship? I hear the southeastern part near Italy is nice …

and on february 1, 2009, obama re-authorized the bush CIA rendition program of globally outsourced torture chambers. all who have promoted, voted for, judicially excused these wars and torture are war criminals and must be so charged.

I didn’t see “Jew” in the statement above I read ZIONIST, although most zionists are jews, not all jews are zionists… There isn’t a Zionist alive who shouldn’t be prosecuted for war crimes committed or condoned in Palestine and the middle east.. They are as bad as the Nazis, and they pretty much control what you see, read, and hear. For sure they control the government of the United States….

Only in America can a war criminal come right out and brag about their crimes and just walk free and go to the World Series games like nothing ever happened.
What a disgrace for the rest of the world to piss on.

Phooque Ewe Chesse

right on, guy. but it does bear mentioning that america always was nazi to the core, exterminating millions of indians and africans. and france, too, globally vicious for centuries and even now sarkozy runs gypsies out like a hitler. we had our my lai and the 220 more villages wiped away under ‘operation hamlet,’ but then the french, when algeria rebelled in 1949, killed 49,000 rebels in a single night! and look at what both the US and france have done to pitiful haiti for 200 years.

If everyone who posts a comment here sends an email with a link to this story and a demand for investigation to the DOJ, the White House AND your congresscritters some news might be made of it. It would be even better it everyone who read this story did this. I still expect nothing to be done but at the least we might make some in government feel uncomfortable.

DOJ: http://www.justice.gov/ag/
White House: http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact
Find your reps: http://www.house.gov/
Find your senator: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

You should do something, dammit.

If the US won’t go after these criminals, I hope other countries will. W-Douche went to Canada a while back, maybe he will, again…..

U Da Man!!!

This is for Maheanuu, for some reason I’m getting blocked from responding to you??
Great post, than you!
America is toast, corporatism rules, and if you get in the way or speak out against it they want to eliminate you. The millions of fools that vote for dems ot gop have no clue what corporatism is or how it is screwing them over.

Glenn Greenwald wrote an article a while back about how the DOJ has just announced it wants people to report war criminals. So loads of people includimg me sent a message telling them to look no further than Bush/Cheney and many of their regime.

And when will the US apologize to the families of Japanese soldiers executed for waterboarding US soldiers in WWII?

We can no longer complain or condemn a foreign power which water-boards an American, soldier or civilian.

What many right wingers in America want is a fascist Christian theocracy, we’re almost there.

If the government won’t act then the people must. George Bush must not be allowed out his front door. Protesters must surround him where ever goes and throw water balloons at him and his secret service protectors.

But we will.
And the hypocrites in power no matter what political stripe they wear will call for war crimes prosecution for those that commit war crimes against us.
Hypocrisy has maybe never been so clear.

Never.

Or uses any other form of torture.

Right on Maheanuu, save some wine for me..I love the French…and their Spirit

As Pvt.Pile say’s surprise, surprise,surprise.

Just after Republicans take back the House. of course. Not that Democrats had the balls to prosecute Chimpy or Cheney for their war crimes…

Shame on Raw Story’s John Byrne, for describing water boarding is an interrogation method “which most describe as torture.” Water boarding is torture. The facts are not up for debate.

Bush cannot afford to leave the U.S. for any reason now because he, like Pinochet, could be arrested for crimes against humanity. I hope that people picket his appearances everywhere he goes to plug his book. Better yet, I urge people NOT to buy his book. If you have to read it, go to the library instead. Who wants this man to profit from his misdeeds. He got us into a quagmire in Iraq and then Afghanistan. He ruined the economy. He allowed Wall Street and the bankers to profit from fraud, yet stood against any attempts to reform the corrupt system that allowed this to continue. He damaged the American brand (as it were) throughout the world. It is too bad that Obama got a thumping this election because now the Republicans and those who bankroll them will feel that they can act with impunity.

I am especially disappointed with the young voters who didn’t even bother to muster the energy or desire to vote. Then again, perhaps they were too busy playing their video games, watching mindless programs that hypnotized them into catatonia and thinking that their individual votes didn’t matter. When I was young and the Vietnam War was raging and we didn’t have the 18- year-old vote, we took to the streets and demonstrated. I guess we’ve just gotten lazy and expect somebody else to fix problems. I suppose it’s a matter of letting George do it.

The news media has always said waterboarding was torture until Bush Jr started doing it.

The question is how can our media call it torture from the very beginning and poof it isn’t torture anymore when we do it? What changed? Who side is the media on anyway?

The media thought they were redeemed when they reported on the Nixon scandel aka no sacred horse. Now the media especially Fox Fraud News is a nothing more than an advertising dept deciding the news, which is why we don’t get news because the advertising dept will never bite the hand that feeds them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwRk95iLmK4&feature=player_embedded do you see a simularity?

“I am especially disappointed with the young voters who didn’t even bother to muster the energy or desire to vote. Then again, perhaps they were too busy playing their video games,….”

Maybe they were just tired of seeing this sell out president and his cowardly democratic party implement the same policies as Bush and fail to defend the people against the worst behaviour of Wall street? If you were raging against the Vietnam war are wouldn’t that make you question this administrations policies in Afghanistan or Pakistan or Iraq, or Somalia or Yemen? Just wondering. Do you think that if they got “motivated” by the nothing they were given to vote back in Democrats that did nothing before that somehow things would be better now?

The Democrats lost because they failed to do anything progressive as they had promised. You want to blame the Democratic voters for the democrats losing?

Nah, Herr Bush was too busy sodomizing the religious wingnut, the missouri hick that had to be annointed and put clothes on the statues.. His Honorable John AssCrack and the other butt boy that used the WH as his Hotel California… Now What Was His Name???? Ahhhh, I remember now (just had to take a hit on my gold and green and glorious pipe first) James Guckert, aka Jeff Gannon….

While I wish to God that were true, the US is not and has never been a signatory to the Hague treaty. So our scum bags like W and Cheney can’t be held accountable there.

So Bush writes his memoirs and it’s nothing we don’t already know…it’s almost as if he’s saying “Heheh, look at me King George…this is what I got away with fuckers and you can’t touch me!”

seriously. I mean if his fathers white house can get away with the Franklin cover up, this war stuff aint shit…ugh

YO! US Justice dept, wake up!

Yes, France has also been wrong, they didn’t give the Chinese here citizenship until the early
1970′s. But they did NOT take the lands of the Tahitians when they became the rulers of Tahiti and her islands. The Tahitians still own all their lands and France has pretty much made up for it’s past mistakes in the Pacific. We’re not perfect that is for sure, and we still man the barricades and throw rocks at the government and its officials..
But we do not worry about the swat teams at least not here in French Polynesia… I cannot vouch for the metropole, having never had the chance to visit there.

money it’s all about money. nobody does what’s right anymore…pretty soon it will blend into one big ball of hell….Canada here I come!

Get the rope!

and what are you doing to change anything? green party fool

W is obviously a Christian.

I hope someone beats his honky ass and puts it on Youtube….that or someone should throw a bigger shoe next time.

Oh well, at least the sonofabitch admitted it.

This is one reason why I like our chances in 2012. All kinds of stuff like this will be coming out about the past ten years or so.

And Obama now has a foil, as NPR has pointed out.

Or better yet, throw a Bagger at him, starting with Crazy Eyes Michele Bachmann.

Self admitted, … Were the hell is Holder???????????????????????????

not history’s bloodiest nation, but among the top 5. you are living in
polynesia? you lucky dawg! but that does bring up the point that the US
and france both used islands in that paradisical region to test their
hydrogen bombs out in the open air. they’d remove the islanders, blow up
the bomb, move the natives back, and then study them. and the US still
refuses to make any reparations whatsoever! just like the french
recently refused to repay the haitians the $40bln they extorted from
haiti after the slave revolt of 1803… and of course, even under
jefferson, the US backed france in that.

I agree

Obama could begin to redeem himself by ordering Bush’s arrest and delivery to the Hague. I’m jus’ sayin’….

give his secret service detail a dat off – they must be exhausted.

what? what did i say?

subtleties are lost on you, aren’t they? Most do describe it as torture, and it is torture, BUT not all describe it as torture, simply because it IS torture.

According to the UN Convention Against Torture, both Holder and Obama are also breaking the law by not prosecuting Bush and others. It is part of US law, we are supposed to prosecute these people.
What is clear is the USA has abandoned treaties we’ve signed that were ratified by Congress to become US law, we’re a rouge nation by definition. Meanwhile everyone but these chumps must abide by our laws.
America is a banana republic.

Maybe the media,like MSNBC’s progressives, can refer to Bush/Cheney as “self-proclaimed war criminal George Bush” in any broadcast.

That should have been done when he was at the World Series with mom and dad, the whole world could’ve seen the chump led off in cuffs.

Obama will continue to do nothing, and the big supporters of the gop will continue to slander him and call him a marxist and a commie or whatever they spew. But he should be their hero for NOT prosecuting these scummy criminals.

Well if Obama AND Holder refuse to prosecute, … then the cell should be big enough to accommodate them as well!

You’re insane. Everybody knows water boarding is torture. It’s just that some people are compelled to lie about it in an effort to yield to authority. I don’t yield to authority.

Water boarding is not a recreational activity. It’s not a form of entertainment. It’s not a training exercise. It’s not a religious experience. It is torture. I was invented for torture, has ever since been used for torture, and has always been recognized as torture. To suggest that it is something else is only a defense of torture.

Obama doesn’t have the balls to order an investigation and arrest for War Crimes much less prosecute that fucking idiot, George W. Bush. He arrogantly and boldly admits to this War Crime because he know Obama doesn’t have the balls to pursue the matter.

He’s right, isn’t he President ASSHOLE!

What’s the point? Nobody is going to do anything about this! Day after day we all just sound like a bunch of kids bitching about a mean schoolteacher. They will NEVER fucking do anything! THEY rule, YOU are shit! Got it? Its a police state. Get used to it!

Even the state of Texas calls this torture–it is torture! A sheriff was convicted of torture for using this method in Texas. But as far as Bush approving it–was there ever any doubt? The fact that he is boasting about it is just insane. The fact that he has never had to answer for any of his actions while he was president is even more insane. Obviously, the rules that applied during the Nuremburg Trials are no longer applicable! That has to be reassuring to many Americans!

To add:
Hope is like prayer- Hope in one hand and shit in the other to see which one fills up first!

Obama is afraid of the politics involved. If Bush and Cheney were extradited to the Hague then Obama could claim clean hands.
I do not want the lower level men the republicans would gladly let take a fall. Only the top few should hang.

We have the most ignorant Americans who know nothing about International Law and refuse to pick up a book and read about it. Obama can’t order the UN to charge Bush/Cheney. The Nationions of the World make that decision. Pelosi could have changed Bush/Cheney with Treason but a deal was made. Daddy Bush is crying because his idiot son is making it easier for the UN to bring charges of War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity. Americans showed how stupid many are by this pass election with putting back in office Republican crooks and Tea Party idiots. Cheney will used his illness as an excuse for the War Crimes Trial, Daddy Bush will have to declair his idiot son incompetent and his brain has been fried by years of drugs/alcohol use. Neither will work as the trials will go on.

F’er got away with murder…where are the racist tea baggers protesting what was done in their name?

Whether you are on the so-called left or right on this issue, there is only one point that needs to be addressed. When the nation’s top law enforcement official, the Attorney General, advocates and supports the use of torture, local law enforcement may follow suit. Remember, the Attorney General is your local police departments supreme commander.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-krinsky/8-reasons-leftists-should_b_653432.html
8 Reasons Leftists Should be Pro-Israel

F**king War Criminal bush deserves to be swinging from the end of a rope (after a “fair” tribunal, of course).

President George W. Bush made the tough calls. That’s more we can say for President B. Hussein Obama aka Jimmy Carter Jr.

America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people.
-George W. Bush

The man is a war criminal, pure and simple.Pray the rest of the world does something that we never will…put him and his entire regime on trial.

I used to be proud to be an American. Now, every time I hear the national anthem, I just get ENRAGED At these unmolesred war criminals.; Laughing at us for our collective submissive acceptance of this legalized barbarism.

Torture is ok…as long as its only our country that performs it??

Yet more proof that the Dems are gutless wimps who can’t get it up when it comes to confronting murderers and torturers who have celebrity status. Shame on Obama. Shame on Holder. Shame on them all. As for Republicans, we shouldn’t expect anything but complicity to murder and torture. They are beyond disgust.

They’re pleasuring themselves in front of a picture of Rand Paul.

Our country and countries friendly to us.
The only thing I have ever heard holder make a big deal about stopping was pot smokers.

Thank You Pelosi

I am no Obama fan, but you are out of your fucking mind to say anything, ANYTHING complimentary about Bush. He is a worthless piece of shit who should rot in prison for the rest of his life.

Your name reminds me of those flags and ribbon stickers that you and your soccer mom asshats put on your gas guzzling Suburbans and Escalades while American soldiers were killing innocent Iraqis by the hundreds of thousands.

Obama’s got no balls. He only talks about the Rule of Law when he doesn’t actually have to follow the Rule of Law. It’s a lot easier to write a speech about social order than it is to order his AG Holder to investigate with the objective of prosecuting.

Obama’s style would be to consult with Mitch McConnell and to ask HIM to support the prosecutions of Bush and Cheney! (Please Mitch, do it for the country… Hah..) Why? Because Obama hasn’t the nerve to invoke his authority as Chief Executive.

There IS a time to be a collaborator. But dealing with domestic and international war criminals demands unilateral and decisive action. Obama was elected to do both, although you’d never know it from his actions.

Bush made the tough calls alright…

“Let’s blame our own false flag attack of 9/11 on Afghanistan and then go steal their natural resources and build military bases on their land.”

“Let’s say Iraq has weapons of mass destruction even though the only ones they have are the ones that we and Donald Rumsfeld sold to them in the 1980′s.”

“Let’s murder 1.3 million Iraqi people and force four million to be refugees so we can steal their oil and build military bases on their land.”

“Let’s totally ignore the Geneva Conventions and the Nuremberg Principles and launch an illegal war of aggression.”

“Let’s demonstrate to the world our total cruelty, power and lack of ethics and bring back TORTURE!”

“Let’s abduct people off the streets and send them to CIA black sites, Bagram AFB, Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo!”

“Let’s screw over the American people and give all of their money to Wall Street and the Central Banks!”

Meanwhile…

Barack H Obama steps in and says…

“Those sound like great ideas George! I’ll continue your crimes and start killing people in Pakistan and Yemen too while I’m at it!”

Meanwhile another voice speaks out…

9/11: Danish Chemist Niels Harrit Also Found Nanothermite in the WTC Dust

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IL9Yrf4nxg

But, we forget that nearly the same group that appointed him president in the first place will find some bullshit legal trick pulled out of Scalia’s ass that will exonerate him. Face it, we’re fucked in either direction.

Waterboarding is controlled drowning, Varie. It’s controlled drowning that’s stopped just before death. Do you understand this? It’s not “simulated” drowning, and it’s not a shower in which you get water in your lungs and cough it up. Water is FORCED INTO YOUR LUNGS!

It’s CONTROLLED DROWNING! Got it?

no…thank you moron…

I am not insane. Waterboarding is torture. I’m fully aware of that. My point is that there are people out there that ARE insane who think that it’s not torture unless it’s done to them.

it’s called “enhanced interrogation” when we do it…that way we don’t have to worry about that silly Geneva Convention thing…

[...] “Damn right,” Bush says that he said. The Washington Post’s R. Jeffrey Smith avers that a source close to Bush says he would have done the same thing again “to save lives,” though there’s been no proof produced that the torture technique has. “Bush previously had acknowledged endorsing what he described as the CIA’s “enhanced” interrogation techniques – a term meant to encompass irregular, coercive methods – after Justice Department officials and other top aides assured him they were legal,” Smith notes. READ MORE… [...]

Let me ask you one question

Is your money that good

Will it buy you forgiveness

Do you think that it could

I think you will find

When your death takes its toll

All the money you made

Will never buy back your soul

And I hope that you die

And your death’ll come soon

I will follow your casket

In the pale afternoon
.
And I’ll watch while you’re lowered
Down to your deathbed

And I’ll stand over your grave

’Til I’m sure that you’re dead.

–Bob

I understand. I also agree that waterboarding is torture, and a particularly nasty form at that.
Having said that, I have to disagree that everyone says it’s torture. There are lunatics in power that define torture as being anything they don’t like being done to them.

Okay, there you have it.

If this Congress decides to call up ‘unAmerican activities’ for reasons to indict Dems, then they HAVE to do the same for Bush. He is now in writing admitting to ordering torture.

Bravo. You just gave us another reason to indict Bush. He said there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Instead, we got a one trillion dollar war for NOTHING and Bush ordered war crimes to boot.

Defending our security, my A$$.

Let me ask you one question

Is your money that good

Will it buy you forgiveness

Do you think that it could

I think you will find

When your death takes its toll

All the money you made

Will never buy back your soul

And I hope that you die

And your death’ll come soon

I will follow your casket

In the pale afternoon

And I’ll watch while you’re lowered

Down to your deathbed

And I’ll stand over your grave

’Til I’m sure that you’re dead.

–Bob

Not a bad hypothesis about why the young Dem voters decided to stay home. I’m not young, but I can understand. Obama and the Dems folded on just about everything. They started using the weak fall-back position to negotiate on health care. They gave Wall St. break after break. They allowed the GOP to do “head-nod” filibusters over and over, to make it look like it was the Dems who were doing nothing. We all watched as the Dems refused to play hard ball while the GOP played nothing BUT hardball, and then we watched as the Dems cow-towed to Republican Senators, to pig-fart Lieberman, and to lobbyist-in-training Blanche Lincoln to try and pass bills that would be too conservative for Eisenhower, and STILL got slapped in the face. This pattern occurred over and over and over. If any of the young voters were discouraged, I don’t blame them. They were reacting to reality, not some romantic dream about democratic action in a democratic society.

A few nights ago, Arianna Huffington was on the air saying that, after two years, Obama and the Dems STILL haven’t learned the lesson that the GOP is truly out to destroy them, and that there will NEVER be co-operation until the GOP dominates everything, and then, the Dems still won’t be heard.

What Obama and the Dems MUST do to win back the young vote is first to admit that the Dem leadership ignored them, and that this was a fatal error. They need to tell the young voter that their voices have real value, and that they’ll prove it by DOING something that demonstrates their progressive resolve. Without that, the Dems should and will go to hell.

Let me ask you one question

Is your money that good

Will it buy you forgiveness

Do you think that it could

I think you will find

When your death takes its toll

All the money you made

Will never buy back your soul

And I hope that you die

And your death’ll come soon

I will follow your casket

In the pale afternoon

And I’ll watch while you’re lowered

Down to your deathbed

And I’ll stand over your grave

’Til I’m sure that you’re dead.

–Bob

Let me ask you one question

Is your money that good

Will it buy you forgiveness

Do you think that it could

I think you will find

When your death takes its toll

All the money you made

Will never buy back your soul

And I hope that you die

And your death’ll come soon

I will follow your casket

In the pale afternoon

And I’ll watch while you’re lowered

Down to your deathbed

And I’ll stand over your grave

’Til I’m sure that you’re dead.

–Bob

Question: If your son or daughter were being held by terrorists would your support the waterboarding of a captured hostile if you knew he/ she had the location of where they were being held….and refused to tell you?

Me thinks you would…..don’t lie now!

Thanks for telling it like it is! ;-)

I don’t attribute validity to lunatics by considering their thoughts as worthy of discussion. I’d rather leave that to their mental health therapists. 19% of the US population still believe that the world is flat. Do we give THEM validity by making statements that infer equivalency?

Is there a reason you had to post this THREE times?

Yes, exactly.
After all we did sign this treaty, Congress ratified it.

Nice ad hominem, RushZombie. It’s torture, it’s illegal, and it ends there. He admitted he ordered it and should be brought up on charges.

In case you were not paying attention–torture provided zero results. My kids wouldn’t be stupid enough to be caught by terrorists, even the domestic right wing nut job terrorists who love Limpballs, Fox and Beck.

But America signed a treaty (Ronald Reagan, 1988, ratified by Congress 1994)
That demands we prosecute him and others of his administration for torture.
It is the law of the land, and you right wingers applaud people breaking those laws.
Pathetic!

Damn right! George W. Bush belongs in prison. Preferably a corner cell, with a large violent cell mate.

Defend security my ass. You defend profits and resources that belong to someone else. As General Butler stated “War is a racket.” Bush 43 was so fucking good that he allowed 9/11 to happen and left office after declaring mission accomplished. JFC RWers are fucking sick in the head and myopic! As my brother said after his third trip to the badlands “This is about oil.” He is no longer a republican.

There was a time in the world when he would’ve been on the end of a rope by now.
“Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.”
MLK

“In case you were not paying attention–torture provided zero results.”

Ever considered that hindsight is 20/20? We didn’t get any results therefore we shouldn’t have tortured them???? Please explain your ‘logic’.

Even so, my hypothetical was quite specific, read it again and answer the question honestly w/o the liberal crapola. I don’t think you can or will.

“My kids wouldn’t be stupid enough to be caught by terrorists”

According to you, everyone who gets caught by terrorists is stupid? Why am I even responding to you!

Like it is is the fact Ronald Reagan signed a treaty that demands we prosecute, here is the speech he gave after signing that treaty.

Following are the President’s message to the Senate and the text of the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment signed on behalf of the United States by Deputy Secretary of State John C. Whitehead on April 18, 1988, at the United Nations. The United States became the 63d nation to sign the convention, which was adopted by the UN General Assembly in December 1984 and entered into force on June 26, 198 7, after it was ratified by 20 nations.

MESSAGE TO THE SENATE, MAY 20, 1988.sup.1

With a view to receiving the advice and consent of the Senate to ratification, subject to certain reservations, understandings, and declarations, I transmit herewith the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment. The Convention was adopted by unanimous agreement of the United Nations General Assembly on December 10, 1984, and entered into force on June 26, 1987. The United States signed it on April 18, 1988. 1 also transmit, for the information of the Senate, the report of the Department of State on the Convention.

The United States participated actively and effectively in the negotiation of the Convention . It marks a significant step in the development during this century of international measures against torture and other inhuman treatment or punishment. Ratification of the Convention by the United States will clearly express United States opposition to torture, an abhorrent practice unfortunately still prevalent in the world today.

The core provisions of the Convention establish a regime for international cooperation in the criminal prosecution of torturers relying on so-called “universal jurisdiction.” Each State Party is required either to prosecute torturers who are found in its territory or to extradite them to other countries for prosecution.

In view of the large number of States concerned, it was not possible to negotiate a treaty that was acceptable to the United States in all respects. Accordingly, certain reservations, understandings, and declarations have been drafted, which are discussed in the report of the Department of State. With the inclusion of these reservations, understandings, and declarations, I believe there are no constitutional or other legal obstacles to United States ratification, The recommended legislation necessary to implement the Convention will be submitted to the Congress separately.

Should the Senate give its advice and consent to ratification of the Convention, I intend at the time of deposit of United States ratification to make a declaration pursuant to Article 28 that the United States does not recognize the competence of the Committee against Torture under Article 20 to make confidential investigations of charges that torture is being systematically practiced in the United States. In addition, I intend not to make declarations, pursuant to Articles 21 and 22 of the Convention, recognizing the competence of the Committee against Torture to receive and consider communications from States and individuals alleging that the United States is violating the Convention. I believe that a final United States decision as to whether to accept such competence of the Committee should be withheld until we have had an opportunity to assess the Committee’s work. It would be possible for the United States in the future to accept the competence of the Committee pursuant to Articles 20, 21, and 22, should experience with the Committee prove satisfactory and should the United States consider this step desirable.

By giving its advice and consent to ratification of this Convention, the Senate of the United States will demonstrate unequivocally our desire to bring an end to the abhorrent practice of torture.

RONALD REAGAN

Thank you for helping to turn the US into another third world dictatorship despised by most of the world. Your support for that was important.

I almost thought that you had some class. I thought wrong.

Regard the law not some silly hypothetical question.

So you think Bush shouldn’t have been impeached and tried for treason?

Man is an understatement.

DACS alert!

So says the fat flatulent racist Oxy Contin junkie.

Torture doesn’t provide accurate information… so says most military and intelligence professionals.

In your opinion. Meanwhile Palestinian terror against women and children is condoned by the likes of you. You, former Chief, are a disgrace to the Navy.

Your hypothetical is void of anything worth much but fantasy.
Again, this is about the laws of the USA. Bush has come out and said in the open he has broken those laws. Therefore he should be prosecuted, the UNCAT says another country MUST prosecute if wee decide not to.
Get a grip of the facts and the law before spewing fantasy questions that don’t even come close to the subject at hand.

Alzheimer disease must be affecting your memory. W couldn’t stop reading “My Pet Goat” when the towers were coming down, then he flew and hid like the sniveling little silver spoon coked up fool he is. Yeah, his tough calls to Jeff Gannon, male prostitute to come stay at the White House. Bull crap GAWD is killing what’s left of the USA.

Of course not! It is inhumane and ineffective to boot. Now would I feel the urge to take a pound of flesh out of the scumbag? Of course I would. That does not make it right.

We are (supposedly) a society based on laws. We cannot only follow our laws when they are convenient or they “feel” good.

‘W’ repeatedly said “The United States does not torture”. It is undeniable that water boarding is torture (that’s why any of us would have impulses to do this to scumbags). Now he admits . . . ADMITS to being a war criminal.

I am so ashamed of what has become of our country. We have no values except for the almighty dollar.

please. you don’t think if it produced any tangible results that hannity, limbaugh, o’reilly,et al, wouldn’t be trumpeting it from the rooftops?
bush had zero convictions against terrorists for all his bluster and lawbreaking. guantanamo=zero, c.i.a. torture prisons=zero, outsourced interrogations=zero, bin laden=zero. all we got was debt and killings. can you provide some concrete rationale for your ‘hypothetical’ situation?

why is the intelligence community against torture? because they know it will likely lead them on a wild goose chase.

bush admitted to a crime, and implicated members of the c.i.a. in doing so. time to prosecute this moron.

This after saying he was the ‘dissenting’ voice on the decision to invade Iraq.
Hey George, how many lines are snorting these days?
I think The Hague should take a personal interest in this asshat’s book as evidence. Keep talking George.

You are insane

of course he should along with his whole cabinet…Pelosi was supporting our then president based on bogus information the Bush admin supplied…

So Bush approved the waterboarding of Khalid Sheik Mohammed. OK.

What about the thousand INNOCENT people who were waterboarded?

Did George Bush approve those too? How come no mention in the memoir?

CheSD, I unlike you and those like you am a Chief for life, I don’t or didn’t play Sailor… I was one and one very fucking good one… I have never disgraced myself or the Navy… In fact I was in the top 1 percentile my entire Navy Career… Then when I got out I was recruited to join the ranks of the top .01 percentile and passed that with flying colors until Ronnie the Sthit For Brains was selected and lied his way to office… Then I ran like a rabbit to a country where freedom isn’t a name for a toast….

Also Che tell me all about how fucking great the Zionist fucks were to the USS Liberty, they are the same Nazis that were in cahoots with that texas piece of Shit Herr Johnson… Our Commander in Chief along with the Zionists tried to murder a complete Ships Company and blame it on the Egyptians.. To this day they haven’t payed or been brought to justice for murder… You lad must be a member of the Zionists, otherwise why would the truth raise your hackles?

Tell me about all the murder of civilians taking place from the founding of Israel through today… All the shit these Nazi wannabes have perpetrated upon the world… I personally think that ever Zionist should be drug out of its scorpion’s den lined up against a wall and shot… Sure would end a lot of shit happening in the world today…. If I were a palestinian, I also would have an open season on a zionist….

Che ya gotta pull your head out of your neither regions, the methane will kill ya lad….Again, Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and yours just smells worse than most of the rest…..Aroha, enjoy the dumpster dives there lad….

Bush wasn’t intellectually smart enough to make ANY CALL. He was a drunk and a failure at every enterprise he was ever involved in throughout his entire miserable existence on this planet. Were it not for his family name. He would probably be living in a box in an alley somewhere.

He was hand picked to run for president BECAUSE HE WAS A MORON. Because he was such an idiot they knew they could convince him of anything…. and they did.

The guy could barely speak a coherent sentence….IF HE WAS READING IT.! ! ! !

fool me once..and ah ah ah … you can’t fool me twice… Yeah right…. How about they blew smoke up his ass for 8 years and the idiot still thought he was in charge.

He lied and fabricated his way into attacking a country that was absolutely no threat to the United States. If you still believe today that Saddam Hussien or Iraq had anything to do with 911 than YOU are proof that Bush lied. NOT ONE intelligence agency today any where in the world will confirm ONE SINGLE lie told by the Bush administration. INCLUDING the CIA.

He took over as president with a budget surplus and turned it into a 4 trillion dollar debt in the first 4 years he was in office. And where did that $$$ all go??? Did you get it? I didn’t…. But somebody got it.

The only way anybody can still believe that GW BOTCH and company didn’t premeditatedly lie about Iraq for the sole purpose of invading and occupying Iraq so they could take over Iraqs oil fields has to be a complete freakin moron.

You obviously have a computer with an internet connection….. I suggest you start doing some research and get your head out of your ass.

GW BOTCH will have a place in history as being the WORST president in the history of this country. But on the up side…. he can always say he had your support LOL.

Are you shitting me????

Yeah, I guess torture is a part of “limited government”

Bush didn’t just allow the waterboarding of people he “knew” had information. Bush allowed the waterboarding of innocent people too, who were grabbed in night raids based on corrupt information. This occurred hundreds, if not a thousand, times.

Isn’t the torture of innocent people an act of evil?

If i thought it would work, yes, if I thought it would produce a wild goose chase that wasted my time and resources, no. Most “experts” (see how I bother to put the quotes) are saying it DOESN’T produce desired results………………..

but your analogy is flawed for other reasons. A nation’s leaders must think beyond the mindset of parents under duress….theres a bigger picture, one more dynamic and nuanced than you suggest.

If you can’t keep a torture conspiracy secret forever, and you probably can’t unless you are TVs rogue-agent Jack Bower, then you put your own assets in danger, not that they may not be already, but you don’t have much credibility in insisting on their humane treatment.

This is the most important and pragmatic point though: on the other side of the world there is an arab/terrorist/muslim Rush Limbaugh pointing a finger saying “SEE FOLKS! The wicked americans want nothing more than to sadistically inflict pain on our innocent youth–they admit that they live to torture” and now you have 10 youths convinced of a cause they are ready to die for.

There is not a finite number of terrorists out there. There are more now than there were the day before Abu Ghraib came out…Guantanamo…Bush’s Book etc…all despite our ability to stop the pulse that pulls the enemy’s trigger… how many terrorist bodies have we counted?

BTW…unless you are rush limbaugh himself, you may want to choose your own identity in this world. I think you’re probably smart enough.

“Your hypothetical is void of anything worth much but fantasy.”

Somewhat, but the intent and possibility is quite real and accurate, you just can’t bring yourself to draw your line in the sand. Oh, and if this is about the laws of the USA, then did you know that going over the speed limit is also AGAINST THE LAW. I don’t hear you complaining about that or any other US laws! It sounds like you ALSO should be prosecuted as a law breaker!

‘Torture doesn’t provide accurate information… so says most military and intelligence professionals.’

You mean the liberal ones! “Professionals” are one thing, soldiers and American lives are another!

Not 1 trillion…. 3 trillion… it cost 1 trillion just for the military… it cost another 2 trillion for the civilian contractors.

Obama had a chance when he had control of both houses. He has no chance now. But Obama has proven that his rhetoric is just as empty as his detractors said it was while he was campaigning. Extremely disappointing and in my opinion he is every bit as guilty as Bush.

So disappointing…

Typical response from someone that can’t grasp the facts of the law. too bad for you……and your silly question.

It would only be fair that he hang just like Saddam. How ironic would that be? Unfortunately even though this is a blatant admission of guilt he will walk free for the rest of his useless life. Why you ask? Because that 1 trillion dollars spent went to very wealthy powerful people who just bought themselves a whole new congress after the last one they bought themselves and they will look out for him because now, they owe him one.

so whats with the no…thank you moron post?

Liberal ones!!
Of get off your mundane and lame talk show shtick.
The speech from Reagan is below, he would NOT agree with you as he was the one who signed the treaty that became US law that stated we are required to prosecute Bush and others.
Too bad you’re here to troll instead of addressing the issue.

Like “our” chances? Who are you referring to? The Democrats? They had more power than any party has had in decades. They showed their true colors by passing watered down healthcare reform which is doomed to fail and looked the other way instead of prosecuting war criminals.

Me too. I remember being shocked when I read that the Israeli Supreme Court outlawed torture in the 1990s…I thought, “wow, what primative bastards to just be making that step now”….boy would the 21st century USA have some surprises for me…

Our anthem is just a drunken bar shanty to belch out at baseball games…I share your sentiment.

Mr. Bush: Good look with those book sales. Thanks for fessing up for being a criminal, now do the honorable thing and give everything to charity and seek peace on some nepalese mountain…or shoot yourself with saddam’s pistol.

Well, the facts of the law regarding speeding are quite simple, don’t ya think? Do you grasp them?

It’s sad how you STILL can’t answer a simple question. Is it really that difficult?

Obama can’t claim clean hands, he still follows these same principles. He started following them from day one. He allowed extraordinary renditions to keep happening, he re-authorized the patriot act, he expanded bagram airforce base and prison (known for torture) and he keeps fighting the “war on terror” in countries that have not allowed our presence (Pakistan). So in short the reason Hobama won’t send them to the Hague is because he damn well knows that would open him up to the exact same charges and he’s not THAT stupid.

Waterboarding is only part of the story…. Kidnapping, Extreme rendition, unlawful detention, torture and manslaughter if not outright murder is the other part of the story. And all of this was approved by the same guy that just said he approved the waterboarding…a practice we sentenced the Japanese to prison for using during WW II.

And yet as bad as this is… and its bad….none of this even begins to touch the gravity of liberating 100,000 Iraqis to death with Shock and Awe.

And still no one is in jail… If that doesn’t make you scared about where you are living…. then you just don’t GET IT

Sorry, trolls don’t engage in conversation.

Wrong again!

As we understand it today, Obama has not condoned torture. No doubt he has several other errors to atone for, but the clean hands would be in a political way, that “its not my fault, I had to comply with the subpoena”. The rendition is plainly criminal, but not the same class of violation. Rendition means it is lawful for the Turkministanis or anyone else to kidnap the president, hide him somewhere in Afghanistan, and try him. It is very soft ground that will probably result in blowback, and may have already.

“please. you don’t think if it produced any tangible results that hannity, limbaugh, o’reilly,et al, wouldn’t be trumpeting it from the rooftops?”

Calm dowm a little! Listen, no conservative wants to engage in torture via waterboarding or any other means. It is always the VERY LAST OPTION to obtain information that would be in direct proportion to SAVING LIVES! Is that clear enough? Under those circumstances, and only those, even the most progressive liberal would probably cave in to it’s use.Those are the facts. You can ignore them if it makes you feel better.

Nice brainless comeback; …no basis in fact and pure knee jerk rightwing rhetoric.
If american lives are endanger it’s because of deluded assumptions that in practice actively recruit for the Taliban.

Release of Bush’s memoir (admitting he ordered torture) appears to be coordinated/timed with thwarted “ticking time bombs” from Yemen and Palestine.

1. Ticking time bomb from Yemen stopped by (primarily) “Saudi Arabian intelligence” allegedly “17 minutes before detonation” (Note: Supposed “Mastermind” of bomb in Yemen was a US agent who had lunch at the Pentagon after 9/11/01).

2. Not to be outdone,within hours of Bush Memoir admitting torture, ticking time bomb from Palestine stopped by “Israeli intelligence”.

Perhaps I am wasting my breath, but the importance of this matter is that despite Moore’s, Assange’s and Greenwald’s attempts to show the horror of war, civilian assassinations and torture, Bush will get away with every bit of it if these Governments (US, Saudi Arabia and Israel) are not held accountable for 911. More importantly, it sets a precedent for future torture, because Bush has bastardized the ticking time bomb definition to its ultimate absurd extreme.

Of course Bush now states “Damn Right” I ordered torture. He has cover from Saudi Arabia Intelligence and Israeli intelligence to demonstrate there are ticking time bombs out there. Never mind that these intelligence agencies actually planned them (just like the FBI did in 1993 at WTC).

Yeah! As long as none of us smoke any weed to keep you and yours happy. Right?

Dear Mr DimboHead RushKisser,

>Question: If your son or daughter were being held by terrorists would your support the
>waterboarding of a captured hostile if you knew he/ she had the location of where they
>were being held….and refused to tell you?

The fallacy of the above ‘ticking bomb’ scenario is two fold. Firstly, you don’t know with
such certainty that the person in question is either actually involved, nor that they know
anything of use. Secondly you have no way of knowing whether what they tell is true
or not and so may simply waste your time and resources chasing down a lie. Like it or
not you will simply have to be more creative and resourceful to solve such a problem.

This is a typical simple minded approach to problems which far too many people use.
Life and the world are complex and uncertain. Ignoring that fact neither changes it, nor
produce the desired results, except perhaps by the occasional, but rare instance of
dumb luck.

The fact that we signed multiple international treaties, as well as federal laws of course
should be/have been the final word. It is only through ignorance and arrogance that one
would presume those who ratified such treaties and laws in the past simply did not know
what they were doing. Seems as likely as not that they understood perfectly well the
trade offs and simply made a rational choice which we as a nation of laws are bound
either follow, or change, but not simply ignore or circumvent.

That settles it then. By his own admission, George W. Bush is a war criminal.

Fox is an organized propoganda network. We have Fox, wars of choice, out of control military spending, gay bashing, economic paralysis, flag waving God proseltyzing American exceptionalism frenzies, and the Muslim problem. Substitute Aryan supremacy and the Jewish problem, and we are 1930s Germany. And they physically intimidated opposing views, tortured people till they said what they wanted to hear and then shipped them off to camps and rendered them to prison or worse without warning or explanation. Look in the mirror America before it’s too late.

Babbling, incoherent, illogical gibberish.

Torture — waterboarding included — does NOT produce useful information.

Waterboarding has one — ONE — long-known and well-understood purpose: to coerce false confessions. Period. This is one reason (amongst many) that it has always been classified as torture and has been outlawed and prosecuted as such. It has no legitimate purpose.

Finally, you suggest that interrogators would *know* — somehow — what particular information a ‘captured hostile’ is withholding. But interrogators NEVER *know* what any suspect knows or doesn’t know. Interrogators cannot read minds… and if they could, interrogation would be unnecessary anyhow.

What you are advocating is extreme “cruel and unusual” punishment — in this case, repeated drowning, which can and has resulted in death — prior to trial and conviction… and for no legitimate purpose.

Why do you torture-lovers hate America so much?

Dear Dimbo,

> Ever considered that hindsight is 20/20?
Gee… no… thanks much, most of are just far too stupid to have thought
to examine our own reasoning for such flaws. Guess I’m just going to have to
start listening to El Rushbo. :-)

This may be difficult for you to comprehend, but other people may not be as
stupid as you are. They may see the complexity things which appear as a mere
mind numbing muddle to you. They may work things out more than one move ahead
in the chess game.

Regarding the fellow who thinks his kids aren’t ‘stupid’ enough to be caught by terrorists,
Dimbo is quite right, that’s crap and he’s a fool to have said it. I can only assuming that
the stunning bogun field emanating from Dimbo’s posts caused some form of termporary
(I hope) mental dysfunction since the majority of his seems fair enough.

Obviously, you — just like your drug-addled hero — have never worn the uniform of this country… or you would know that regardless of political views, all who do serve in uniform DO consider themselves to be professionals, and DO respect the law. Torture is both a crime and a war crime. It is counterproductive to the mission, and puts all service members at risk.

What’s your point? Bush didn’t have a son or daughter held by terrorists. But it’s
OK if a repug does it for any reason.

I’d like to give you props. While you are obviously short on brains….it takes some BIG BALLS for an American Nazi to come in here and talk insane shit. The readers in here don’t have much patience for fools and Nazi’s like you. Good show!

Right. These people would have loved the Spanish Inquisition.

Bush should be arrested, indicted and made to stand trial for war crimes along with Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest of the cabal.
Until and unless this happens, our rule of law is highly questionable.

Dear Dimbo,> Calm dowm a little! ListenHow’s about you try activating a couple neurons and listen.> no conservative wants to engage in torture via waterboarding or any other means. As simply a matter of opinion, I believe that many/most of those who condone torture are simply justifying a means of non-judicial punishment. Again, not fact just my opinion.> It is always the VERY LAST OPTION to obtain information that would be in direct> proportion to SAVING LIVES! Is that clear enough?It doesn’t work, and is illegal – is that clear enough?> Under those circumstances, and only those, even the most progressive liberal> would probably cave in to it’s use.Those are the facts. You can ignore them if it> makes you feel better.Such circumstances most likely do not exist, clear enough?That many succumb to foolish and base instincts under stress is true.A majority of people? I don’t believe so. I do not believe that most people arevindictive fools. Seems to me you are projecting your own nature onto therest of humanity – no thanks.> Those are the facts. You can ignore them if it makes you feel better.You are a hoot!Facts are those things which have the intrinsic property of BEING. You have proposed a hypothetical scenario (ie something that is not, but is to be imagined) and offered your opinion as to how most people would respond. If you had facts then you wouldn’t need to use hypotheticals, eh? :-) You really are Dimbo

And laws depend on who commits the crime, right?

RE: “‘Damn right’ I personally ordered waterboarding: Bush”
MY SNARK: OMG! Bush is so damn macho. Like “Turd Blossom”, I really loved it when Bush wore his presidential leather bomber jacket. OMG, now my “leg” is getting all tingly. Georgie Porgie is hotter than a pepper sprout!

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Why is my “Like” button not working? Like! Like!

When you speculate, as in: “…even the most progressive liberal would probably…” then you are stating opinion, not fact… but you do seem to have a fundamental confusion as to the distinction between the two.

You advocate squandering lives, not preserving, protecting, or saving them.

Only the most dim-witted, anger-driven, logic-challenged, ill-educated and unfit for decision-making sadistic misfit would “cave in to its use”… you, Deserter-in-Chief Bush and Rash Limpbone: perfect together.

Dear Dimbo,

Speeding is indeed against the law. Interestingly I was ticketed many years ago for speeding. I went before the judge and explained that I had just installed a new odometer cable and was in fact testing it. I explained It was a clear day on a straight patch of road,
produced the sales receipt for the cable. The judge was satisfied and cut my fine in half.

That’s how works when you brake the law. You must plead your case before a judge, and perhaps a jury and face the consequences under the law. Clear enough?

admitted war criminal.

When people throw around the term “Nazi,” it devalues it. The Israelis are fascists, but they’re not the Nazis–no death camps, no murder of their own infirm, political unwanted, etc. Then again, reading your posts, I see nuance isn’t your strong suit.

I Voted for Obama, … BUT, … No man is above the LAW! I will want him in the slammer as bad as I want the bush crime family in jail if he has in-fact broken the law. Let’s see a Fright-Reich-Winger say that one!!!! :-)

“Oh, … let’s move forward and not relish in the past”, … Obama stupidest move ever!

Look at what it’s got him in now.

You got it PeteWa

ADMITTED WAR CRIMINAL!!!!

The fact that he can do that, and admit it and not get thrown in fucking prison, or hanged, either of which would be the right thing to do, shows how incredibly LOW this country has fallen.

In the 50′s or 60′s the muthafucka would be behind bars. Or dead.

I urge everyone to contact Oprah and demand that she cancel her book plug interview with Bush or be a torture advocate herserlf. Pass it on to everyone in your mailbox. Why not stir up some shit?

https://www.oprah.com/ownshow/plug_form.html?plug_id=220

WTF Is that all you ever worry about is smokin dope John? ? ?

I hope you don’t mind that I’ll use you as a reference in the future as an example of the negative effects of the long term use of marijuana. Or do you just want me to say you have your head up your ass?

Wow. Only two days since the election results and you repubs immediately start talking about escalating the wars and defending torture. Yep, we’re back to the bush years. Over the next two years, you repubs are going remind everyone why we voted you bastards out in 2008.

He is a murderer as well. There is no statute of limitations for murder in the USA.

I’d support the immediate extraordinary rendition, harsh interrogation and indefinite detention of the fascist Rush Limbaugh. But a sudden and unexpected drug overdose would be acceptable.Does that answer your question?

-PS I inadvertently hit your “like” button while trying to stab your avatar with a butcher knife. I take it back.

BTW: Bush would have us believe that it is proven that torture produced actionable intelligence, yet it has been proven over and over that this is a straight up lie by the people on the inside who know the facts. Even Francis Townsend, a very loyal Bushie, disagrees with this outright lie.

**Dear Lord,

Please let this nitwit blab his way into an international war crimes trial.

**Since we know it doesn’t work, I think I would only support waterboarding if they were doing it to you. Would I lie?

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No dipstick! You can’t! The issue with you is…you’re a liberal on Thursdays….but a right wing schmuck the other days? Enough people in here have told you what they think of you. Forget me. Read their impressions. Go back to the Prop19 thread and read the posts addressed to YOU.

Spin. All bullshit. Republifucks are great for the nation and the world. Just look at all of their wonderful accomplishments. The bastards even rationalize torture.

Well, when the President does it that means that it is not illegal.

RIchard Nixon

A lot of Bush’s gang sharpened their teeth working for Nixon, who also was a war criminal that got away with his crimes.

Stupid one sided liberals just dont get it, Bush was reacting to the 9/11attacks and the beheadings that were going on in those areas against Americans, but you lefties are always concerned about the enemy and their rights, you all would never be able to win a war if left totally to yourselves because of your stupid rules of war engagement, because you support the enemy, hundreds if not thousands of American and allied soldiers have to get killed or maimed before they can react….that is another reason I decided to vote for conservatism, because those are the Americans who will always have the balls to defend the country and ask questions later, I do not condone the collateral killing of innocent people, but will support my country if ever attacked, and yes it was radical islam that attacked America not some stupid inside job skimmed up by Bush and his cronies, so please don’t respond with your bigotry bullshit and that I should be exiled, it is because of conservatism and policies set forth by Bush that we have not been attacked successfully here in America lately.

I am stunned. I cannot believe he said that out loud. Seriously, he is a danger.

“IN YOUR FACE, GOYIM!”
I too can talk of the Smack!

P.S. sucks I did the samething with greylox….wish I could take it back.

Beats watching Obama kissing radical Islamic butt…

I’ll forget you john… when I quit seeing “in reply to usmr” after your name

A public confession of a war crime, yet the Obama Administration lacks sufficient moral fiber and sense of duty to prosecute.

Is there any hope that some European prosecutor will have the guts to assert universal jurisdiction?

Nah. The CIA would assassinate him or her.

Is this comment a non sequitur or some sort of esoteric joke?

Ok, now you have defended the enemy, now say something bad about the journalists who were beheaded, soldiers who were tortured and killed including allies, all of the people who died on 9/11, sadam’s killing fields…come on, lets here your sympathetic view for those who kill Americans as well.

When our troops and agents torture foreigners, they are training to torture citizens.

This domesticated danger is imminent and very serious.

I have been urging my children to establish some connections abroad since 2000.

However, it is difficult for people with limited resources to emigrate.

Hopefully, they will be able get out before conditions here become so bad they close the borders – to fleeing Americans.

I have been urging my children to establish some connections abroad since 2000.

However, it is difficult for people with limited resources to emigrate.

Hopefully, they will be able get out before conditions here become so bad they close the borders – to fleeing Americans.

I have been urging my children to establish some connections abroad since 2000.

However, it is difficult for people with limited resources to emigrate.

Hopefully, they will be able get out before conditions here become so bad they close the borders – to fleeing Americans.

No! It is about the Prop 19 thread from yesterday. The doosh with the asshat was in here celebrating its defeat, rubbing it in our faces and insulting those of us that toke. He’s a false flag troll and a military faker

I differ.

I think the “Christian” (and Jewish and Catholic) fundamentalist mobs are mere puppets of the corporate plutocrats who want cheap disorganized labor, a culturally stupified electorate, and suppressed dissent.

We are entering into a period that some bright observer called “corporate feudalism.” The religious nonsense, as throughout all history, is just a means to control the fearful and ignorant.

So, this is a separate issue. You are not disputing his criticism of U.S. war crimes, are you?

I agree with you about Prop 19 but I did not get to cast such a vote in my state.

Look, obviously these folks defending the enemy have never served and don’t have a clue of how people will react in times of heated battle and the witnessing of young American lives being snuffed out at will by the enemy. They just sit in front of their pc’s and continue to get off on hating America and what occurs during war. Perhaps if they would witness members of their own platoon being blown to pieces by an enemy who thinks that their god is going to reward them for their martyrdom with 72 virgins in paradise, would perhaps serve as an eye opening experience, which brings me to another point, why don’t you lefties ever say shit about muslim religious beliefs and how deadly it can be, but renounce Christianity because of one idiot who wanted to burn a few korans? that is why Liberalism is a freaking MENTAL disease! you folks just cannot, will not, ever get it.

Spoken like a true bed-wetting, never-served, blowhard chickenhawk.

You’re quite right…. I defended YOUR enemy: the Constitution of the United States and the rule of law that it enshrines.

It is fools of your ilk who will get Americans killed, and I have no sympathetic view of such fools.

Your no marine, please change your avatar….sound too much of a woos.

You have a great site!!!

Sorry charlie but yes I served, 12 mech. armored infantry, Ft. Carson, CO. Proudly I might add. Rather be a high flying chicken hawk, than a jail house shower hawk as you….

Arrest Lockup try Convict ……………this POS !

Bingo !

Liche Mine Shvuntz … ya paper toochus …

Zei Gezunt !

And you would know the difference because…….. you saw the movie Jarhead on netflix?

Bush said “We don’t torture.” More than once. Now he’s out of office and selling a book, and he says, “Damn right I authorized waterboarding.”

The man is beneath contempt. But we already knew that, didn’t we?

George W. Bush – the first unindicted, unimpeached war criminal U.S. president.

Show me one example of waterboarding that resulted in the a confession that actually saved an American life.

Here is the thing about torture: the person being tortured will do anything to stop it. If a person doesn’t know anything, they’ll ‘confess’ whatever they can come up with, just because it will mean the torture will stop. Even if they do know, chances are that when being tortured, they won’t be able to think straight enough to say it. Think of it this way: Have you ever had something happen to you that was painful, scary, beyond your control and extended in time- like falling down a long flight of stairs? Would you be able to remember something as random as- say- where you went the week before immediately after, or would you be in too much of a daze? It’s not so different.

Nonsense. Presidents clearly have the power to rendition terrorists to other countries for detention and interrogation. Just ask Bush.

Nonsense. Presidents clearly have the power to rendition terrorists to other countries for detention and interrogation. Just ask Bush.

OK, I ask you, if at war and if you were left in charge and got hold of an enemy combatant that was known to be responsible for ordering the killings of US soldiers and domestic civilians and had valuable info that could possibly thwart other atrocities, including the men you are in charge of, what would YOU do with this enemy combatant?

OK, I ask you, if at war and if you were left in charge and got hold of an enemy combatant that was known to be responsible for ordering the killings of US soldiers and domestic civilians and had valuable info that could possibly thwart other atrocities, including the men you are in charge of, what would YOU do with this enemy combatant?

Hey, waterboarding isn’t torture, it’s just sort of a…..well, sort of a shower. It’s really just another example of our humane treatment of prisoners!

Hey, waterboarding isn’t torture, it’s just sort of a…..well, sort of a shower. It’s really just another example of our humane treatment of prisoners!

why do you think that dividing the county makes you patriotic?..you and ditto head should be deported to the country where you ancestors came from for un-american activities…but they would not want you so we could put you on a raft in the middle of the Atlantic…

why do you think that dividing the county makes you patriotic?..you and ditto head should be deported to the country where you ancestors came from for un-american activities…but they would not want you so we could put you on a raft in the middle of the Atlantic…

Richard Nixon was a war criminal, as well. His actions in Vietnam may be debatable, but there is little, if any, doubt that the illegal bombing of Cambodia was a war crime.

Richard Nixon was a war criminal, as well. His actions in Vietnam may be debatable, but there is little, if any, doubt that the illegal bombing of Cambodia was a war crime.

You’ll get wise. Well, maybe not.

You’ll get wise. Well, maybe not.

[...] Not only is George W. Bush an apparent psychopath. He is also an idiot. …President George W. Bush admits for the first time in his new memoir that he personally approved the use of waterboarding, a technique in which an interrogator simulates drowning on a suspect. The method, which most describe as torture, has since been banned by the Justice Department…(source: raw story) [...]

I kid, Pally !

http://www.oilempire.us/nuremberg.html

So… the “Commander in Chief” ignored the UCMJ and the Geneva Conventions and the “just war theory” of St Augustine….. ( So why is he NOT in jail?)

Me too, just dicking around. My serious, albeit defeatist statements are further down.

I could fill books with my defeatist statements
For some reason unbenounced to me…
today I have some unjustified optimism
… I hope it lasts … Liberal radio is a life saver :)

Gee George, why didn’t you say so before?

Gee George, why didn’t you say so before?

If its not torture, then I can waterboard your kids OK??????????????????????

George needs a 400lb cell mate named Vito!
Group showers would work too!

Our troops are engaged in two wars in Muslim territory. The line we are told is winning hearts and minds. Muslim bashing provides invaluable propaganda and recruiting for the bad guys. How much American blood is on your hands? These people are defending your right to speak, a little responsibility might be in order.

Good job Pj. These morons are giving the other side propaganda and recruiting tools. If we have some villagers on our side and then they hear the muslim bashing from us, our troops are going to walk into an ambush. Thanks for the help “patriots”

Go Pj. The drug addict sharpened his doctor shopping skills getting out of the draft. Myself as a vet and both my kids in uniform have got your back.

If our troops are in danger it was because of incompetent leadership, not dissent.

Can I assume you have worn the uniform of this country?

Take an OXY and call me in the morning.

Don’t forget lifetime care for the wounded. Add a few more bucks. Oh, replacing equipment that got trashed, More dollars. Did”nt Rumsfield say their oil would pay for the war? Oh shit, the war isnt about oil, its the terrorists. Its our fault. We elected Bush Twice.

[...] “http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/damn-right-personally-ordered-waterboarding-bush/” “President George W. Bush admits for the first time in his new memoir that he personally approved the use of waterboarding, a technique in which an interrogator simulates drowning on a suspect. The method, which most describe as torture, has since been banned by the Justice Department.” [...]

Two wars. drive the economy off a cliff, turn a record surplus into a record deficit and nobody gets pissed untill the black guy gets elected. Nice try ass@#$

Christine O’Donnell does not approve of your post.

Yank his ass right out of the Rangers stadium would have been PRICELESS!!

Bachman has that look because her thong is too tight,
Bachman in a thong, eeeeeeewwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dubber,”I’m not Tojo you can’t hang me!”

President Obama, Majority Leader Reid:George W. Bush has just publicly admitted that he authorized torture, which is illegal. He is a known war criminal who is easy enough to find. Dick Cheney has already admitted that he greenlighted torture and approved of it. He is a known war criminal who is easy enough to find. Donald Rumsfeld also very likely approved of torture. He is a known war criminal who is easy enough to find, at bus stops in the city of Washington, DC. You would do yourself, the American people, and the world a favor if you would hand these criminals over to the International War Crimes Tribunal in the Hague, since it’s clear that you (and Mrs. Pelosi, soon to depart her post) refuse to do anything to address their blatant violation of international treaties and US statutes. To put it more simply, hand these scumbags over to the people who will try them for their war crimes. Pronto!

With President Bagram Obama in office, it ain’t gonna change anytime soon.

Not the first. LBJ was the first…….Reagen 2nd…….etc

He and Cheney both have been bragging since they left office about how they broke the laws. And lookie here, he is still out and about. He shredded our rights and the Constitution with the help of many. But not to worry. No one goes to jail for anything now. Even impeachable crimes. No wonder he smirks. So would I. He is one man who can strut while sitting down. And why not?

Hey, where are all the tea party members who love America and the Constitution? It really is quiet isn’t it?

Arrest the fucker before he drinks himself into oblivion.

Shows that Bush gave it about as much thought as he did anything else during his so-called presidency.

LOL. Bush admits to war crime. Let’s see if the Hague is a legitimate organization.

Helluva job George. You should be standing in the dock beside Charles Taylor and Radovan.

Oprah Winfrey is all about ratings and profits. Her social conscience is non-existent. She’ll plug Bush’s book because she will gain from doing so.

Nothing will happen except American exceptionalism.

Seriously got a kick out of your post. Read it to my wife and we both had a chuckle. “I inadvertently hit your “like” button while trying to stab your avatar with a butcher knife. I take it back.”Classic!

Ah, scenarios from fiction. How about the scenario of the the ticking atomic bomb?

Get off the oil:

Bush praises Islam and Muslims:
http://muslimrepublicans.net/Article.asp?ID=164

But of course, rightwingers do not even remember it happening

Being against torture doesn’t mean you’re defending the enemy.

“We got more information out of a German general with a game of chess or Ping-Pong than they do today, with their torture,” said Henry Kolm, 90, an MIT physicist who had been assigned to play chess in Germany with Hitler’s deputy, Rudolf Hess.
http://www.dialoginternational.com/dialog_international/2009/05/did-the-us-torture-german-pows.html

Ok, here it is. All religions suck, including islam. They are authoritative, out of date and even immoral.

Why don’t you folks do what Reagan finally realized.

“Perhaps we didn’t appreciate fully enough the depth of the hatred and the complexity of the problems that made the Middle East such a jungle. Perhaps the idea of a suicide car bomber committing mass murder to gain instant entry to Paradise was so foreign to our own values and consciousness that it did not create in us the concern for the Marines’ safety that it should have. In the weeks immediately after the bombing, I believed the last thing that we should do was turn tail and leave. Yet the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics forced us to rethink our policy there. If there would be some rethinking of policy before our men die, we would be a lot better off. If that policy had changed towards more of a neutral position and neutrality, those 241 Marines would be alive today.” Ronald Reagan

http://img37.imageshack.us/i/reaganappeasingterroris.jpg/

“No conservative…” BS, I’ve heard even liberals saying lets nuke the middle-east.Last option is of course more selling illegal activities BS. Last option like the invasion of Iraq, it doesn’t mean shit.Want to save lives. then change the foreign policy..http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB9351/index1.html‘They hate our policies, not our freedom”Muslims do not hate our freedom, but rather they hate our policies [the Pentagon report says]. The overwhelming majority voice their objections to what they see as one-sided support in favor of Israel and against Palestinian rights, and the long-standing, even increasing, support for what Muslims collectively see as tyrannies, most notably Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan and the Gulf states. Thus, when American public diplomacy talks about bringing democracy to Islamic societies, this is seen as no more than self-serving hypocrisy.’

No. He didn’t receive a BJ in the whitehouse.

Yes. Like Carters Operation Cyclone. A real peace dove.

Yes. Like Obama’s expansion of the war in Afghanistan and Pakistan, possible yemen and even Iran.

The MIC-virus will bankrupt USA and Usama will have his wish.

And neocons benefitted from 9/11 btw. Bush did nothing but focused on Iraq from day one.
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a121901clintonbush#a121901clintonbush

[President Bush] did not recall discussing the August 6 report with the Attorney General or whether Rice had done so.[p. 260]
We have found no indication of any further discussion before September 11 among the President and his top advisers of the possibility of a threat of an al Qaeda attack in the United States. DCI Tenet visited President Bush in Crawford, Texas, on August 17 and participated in the PDB briefings of the President between August 31 (after the President had returned to Washington) and September 10. But Tenet does not recall any discussions with the President of the domestic threat during this period. [p. 262]

Supporting counterproductive policies is not being pro-Israel as bulldozers won’t bring peace.

The dems don’t do shit because they have pretty much the same kind of foreign policy. So to protect Bush is to protect themselves.

Yes. That would be the right starategy to reinvigorate the youth vote as well as the many progressives who were accused of being f’n retards, or in need of a drug test, or unrealistic.

It does not appear that this will be the approach taken as, like the poster I responded to, the guns will be turned inwardly against those who were less than inspired by the raft of regressive policies and militarism that Obama led the democrats with.

Like 2000 the left side of the party will be accused of not bucking up and holding their noses to vote the lesser of two evils back in. So even if the voter refused to vote for the Democrats because it would go against their principles and reward democrats for their treachery, it was THEIR/OUR fault that the democrats lost.

You would not see the Republicans spit on their base like this, that is why the Democrats can only call upon the fear of the Republicans to muster up any kind of votes. Well that or just dogged sycophantic partisan loyalty to a deceased corpse of a party.

The Dems have already gone to hell in my book. So I will continue, especially now these mid-terms are behind us, to fight for alternative candidacies be they Independent, Green even Libertarian if they are sane and principled and refuse to be beholden to corporate lobbying.

See above. Or go to my blog, or to Neo Progressives on facebook.

BTW, You are rude and assuming.

If you actually believe all the Fox propaganda you just spouted, then you aren’t listening to your superiors-or maybe Fox and Friends ARE your “superiors”. Your fake argument is in direct conflict with the findings of the US Army War College, in addition to most national intel agencies, as well as going against 50 years of military training and findings. Low level flunkies never learn…

But you were OK with Dubya holding hands on long walks and kissing the Saudi prince. Weirdo.

I guess you just don’t get it. To paraphrase Lt Commander Charles Swift (who won Hamdi vs. Rumsfeld) -”We are the GOOD guys, THEY are the bad guys. We can’t call ourselves the GOOD guys when we do the same thing the BAD guys do.”
To further your actual knowledge instead of Fox chickenhawks talking points, I suggest you read Law vs. Terrorism, a publication of the US Army War college.

“enemy combatant” is not a legally recognized term. However, the Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions is. We invented it foolish one.

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I pulled thirty, active duty Navy, MCPO (ret.) and in all that time never met a single individual who’s actually served who would ever even think the kind of things that you have said…. but I have met a whole lot of ‘false bravado’ BS’ers who do say such things. So let’s just say I’m a whole less than convinced. You know, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then its probably a duck… which is much better for you, anyhow. Better to be thought a fraud and a poseur than a dimwit one-stripe ground-pounder not with 12 years of experience, but rather 1 year of experience 12 times who couldn’t make the grade to go the full-career distance.

If someone in government (police, FBI or military) got together a posse and tried an armed arrest of Bush, he would instantly become a populist hero and be an eligible candidate for office in 2012.

Courts would have difficulty convicting him, because they’d have to argue over whether there was standing to arrest Bush. Also, I for one would be happy to help surround said courthouse with pitchforks and torches, to help encourage the correct decision.

This is similar to how Hugo Chavez became President. The American people are looking for someone with cojones to rally behind.

Well…. actually there are a few others…. We are on a roll.

There was a film about 20 years ago about the French Gestapo in WWII using waterboarding a.k.a.bathtub against a Resistance Fighter a.k.a.Terrorist. A blonde collaborator sat on the toilet having her jollies. There were gasps from the audience. Guess Shrub was not in the auditorium that day.
Sure would be nice to see him with a number around his neck seated in a NeoNuremberg Dock.

and shows no remorse… that would make him a mass murdering sociopath as well. Or maybe that just makes him stupid…. or maybe both…. oh never mind.

My personal experience of being at war and being in charge happened to be aboard a ballistic missile submarine, where we’d have been real damn flabbergasted, to say the least, at running into any enemy combatants… but I do well understand the laws of war, the UCMJ, the Army Field Manual, the Geneva Conventions and, because the Navy saw fit to help pay my way through law school I also have a very good understanding of the United States Criminal Code.

What I can tell you is that the first flaw in your argument is this: what you posit as *known* is NEVER known. You have a person in custody about which you know very, very little. In the actual experience of our military, thousands of purported “enemy combatants” were just unlucky souls turned in for the $5000 bounty. None came with any evidence packets of any kind, though many came with thumb-stamped xerox-copy boilerplate “confessions” printed in a language which they could not even read. Some were still children — as young as 11 or 12 — some were over 80 years old.

The second flaw is failing to recognize torture for what it first and foremost is: punishment. A “cruel and unusual” form of punishment, strictly speaking, from a technical legal perspective, which the government is banned from using on anybody whether citizen or not. Further, the government may not impose punishment of any form upon anybody unless there has been formal charges filed, a trial held, and a conviction secured. There are separate procedures for prisoners of war, but the bare-minimum of humane treatment specified in Article III of the Geneva Convention applies to “all persons,” and the Supreme Court has upheld that provision with respect to the Cheney-Bush-Rumsfeld invention-of-convenience — a transparent attempt to make an end run around the law — of “enemy combatants.” You want to impose punishment well before you know whether it is even warranted or not, and well before you even know whether the person you have is the one you think you have. You can’t just go punishing people, willy-nilly, because you have an unfounded, unproven hunch.

That said, let’s grant, for argument’s sake, all of the elements of your impossible hypothetical. Once captured, disarmed and in custody the so-called “enemy combatant” is no longer any sort of threat. If you have the honest and honorable objective of eliciting useful intelligence, then you do interrogate… but within the bounds of the law of war… because you know (through training and experience) that torture does not produce anything reliable or even marginally useful; the tortured detainee will say whatever he believes the torturer wants to hear, in order to simply stop the torture. If you go beyond that bright-line boundary into dishonorable sadism and barbarism, then you’ve engaged in criminal conduct for which punishment is both prescribed and warranted.

So I would not commit a crime which would a.) get me nothing useful, and b.) get me prosecuted… not to mention endanger my mission by handing the enemy something of immense propaganda value, create even more enemies and put my unit at even greater risk.

Bush and Cheney and Obama are all war criminals and need to be prosecuted!

War Crimes trials now! If Obama won’t do it ship them to the Hague.
Or just take a European trip boys – they are waiting…

Simple facts. Torture was used to gain the “intel” that Iraq was linked with AQ and sharing chemical weapons info. This “intel” i.e. the nexus between Iraq, AQ and WMD was the center of the justification for the invasion of Iraq. The “intel” was obviously false and was gained by the detainee telling the interrogators what they want to use.

Therefore, torture has lead to the deaths of thousands of US soldiers.

As an aside, this High Value Detainee was released to Libya shortly after this incident. One should ask oneself why the Bush administration allowed this potential source of intel to leave our control.

Simple facts. Torture was used to gain the “intel” that Iraq was linked with AQ and sharing chemical weapons info. This “intel” i.e. the nexus between Iraq, AQ and WMD was the center of the justification for the invasion of Iraq. The “intel” was obviously false and was gained by the detainee telling the interrogators what they want to use.

Therefore, torture has lead to the deaths of thousands of US soldiers.

As an aside, this High Value Detainee was released to Libya shortly after this incident. One should ask oneself why the Bush administration allowed this potential source of intel to leave our control.

Thanks, ArmedLiberal.

These cartoon-level thinkers aren’t even aware that it was career noncoms at NCIS who first blew the whistle on this outrage, took it right up to Navy General Counsel Alberto Mora himself, who then got right in Rummy’s face over it. They don’t realize that it was only a very tiny number of ideology-driven outsiders, combined with a handful of recent raw recruits with only two weeks of interrogation training who brought this indelible stain upon our military. The career force was not engaged in this mess… we tried to stop it.

You’re reading me wrong.
I’m not criticizing dissent because that doesn’t factor into it.
http://www.thenation.com/article/155622/killing-reconciliation
American policy of socalled surgical assassinations, drone planes killing innocent civilians, torturing prisoners and supporting a corrupt gov’t are what’s recruiting for the Taliban.

But definitely incompetent leadership factors in.
Don’t forget that during both invasions Defense Secretary Rumsfeld had all raw intel conduited through his ‘Office of Special Plans’ first instead of through the normal Pentagon/CIA analyst cubicles. Rumsfeld fancied himself to be some kind of military strategist genius… which couldn’t have been further from the truth. Use of cluster bombs that continue to maim farmers and their children, radioactive poisoning of the water by extensive use of the DU tipped weapons… and Rumsfeld’s complete lack of post invasion plans for both countries has created the bloody quagmire that we find ourselves stuck in to the tune of more than a million dead or homeless.
People who voted to think that the GOP could do any better there tend to forget it was their arrogance, deceitfulness and stupidity that got us here in the first place.
Obama needs to stop listening to the Pentagon… they had their say and they were WRONG.

Ignorance, combined with anger and hatred, is the true “mental disease.”

Our laws, based upon our Constitution and established by our Congress and tested continually by our judiciary, are the decisions made by our country while NOT in the heat of battle. Your orders, while serving in the uniform of this country, are to follow those laws. If you disobey them, we will bring you up on charges at a courts-martial proceeding and likely dump your sorry a$$ in a military prison, where you will play the role of virgins 1-72… and far beyond.

I have come to the same conclusion. It appears Bush already appeared yesterday to a hail of softball questions and cute anecdotes about Barney and the twin sluts, no doubt.
Oprah is a phony through and through.

Too bad no one has ever asked a torture survivor about the real purpose and machinery of torture. Disciplined members of militant groups have mechanisms for fooling their captors. Underground groups under threat continuously change their names, contacts and places. Most information comes via cooperative individuals – usually fed up with their group or enticed by material rewards.
Torture, on the other hand, is used to terrorize and dehumanize the captive and to unify the torturers around their activities and the cover-ups. Everyone is implicated, everyone is ‘guilty’, no torturer would denounce his fellow torturer. Torture and degradation of family members in front of the captive is very common – and was used in Iraq by the US. The Bush Administration’s John Yu advocated torturing the small children of detainees. There are thousands of torture survivors who have to see their torturers on the streets on a regular basis – not every torture victim is ‘disappeared’.
Torture works, but not for gathering useful information, torture and even the threat of torture terrorized people into submission. Bush is rightfully proud of his participation.

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Far from the first, just hopefully the last.

If I were Bush, I would not travel outside the country with this admission of Nuremburg-quality crime..

Legalized torture, yet another violation of our rights. Add it to the list of gov’t violations of our right:
They violate the 1st Amendment by placing protesters in cages, banning books like “America Deceived II” and censoring the internet.
They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns.
They violate the 4th and 5th Amendment by molesting airline passengers.
They violate the entire Constitution by starting undeclared wars for foreign countries.
Impeach Obama and sweep out the Congress, except Ron Paul.
(Last link of Banned Book):
http://www.iuniverse.com/Bookstore/BookDetail.aspx?BookId=SKU-000190526

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Jct: Too bad nobody thought to ask him if he felt to US had been justified in executing the Japanese generals under whom some Americans had been waterboarded during WWII. Sure, Bush is the torture president. But he also killed Saddam Hussein in an Iraq with no death-penalty (the Americans carry it around with them) and that has to be murder. So let’s call him the Torture and Murder President of the United Gulags of Amerika.

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I use ”enemy combatant” because I assumed it would send a sympathetic view of the muslums you lefties are always defending, and if you wish to get into a pissing contest with me, then continue to use epithets against me, if not than please post civilly.

A fair and genuine assessment, I know it is barbaric and I myself would hate to inflict pain on anyone unless I was certain it could divulge necessary information, and then I would still find it hard to do so. The only way I could see my self being a part to it is if I personally witnessed said combatant willfully killing innocent people with total disregard to women and children, then I know that I would not have a problem torturing the bastard, what can I say? “All is fair in love and war”, if you really want to win against an unstoppable enemy, one might have to resort to such evil tactics, never said I would enjoy the infliction of pain, no way! But wars are won through brute force as inhumane as it sounds. Thank you for your service and your genuine outlook on rules of engagement.

You are an extremely pathetic excuse for a human being, a Morlock, if you will. I feel quite sorry for you, and yet, at the same time, I would like to meet you, in a dark alley and see just how well your training would do (if you have any). You reek of pathos, you smell of spite. You have no soul and I look forward to seeing you burn in the cauldron of hate you fornicate in. My parents are both Muslim and Christian and my nationality is US and others. You putrefy the meaning of America and you swim in the cess pool of its offences. You desecrate the meaning of humanity and you are the essence of evil but you think you are good. If you wish to prove yourself, I will be waiting for you.
If you have the balls.
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Hey, chill out! I was referring to the radical, head chopping, suicide bombing, members. I can honestly say that I have nothing against moderate muslims or their beliefs. I do have a problem with the radical freaks who have perverted the religion of Islam and have used it to further their own agenda. Trust me, you don’t want any of this…I am not going to threaten anyone over the internet, just like where I worked in the past (Texas prisons) I don’t talk shit to convicts, unless they are unrestrained and not behind a cage and that my friend took balls.

Fine Fair response, although I did not get that from your provocative questions. You are right corruption of Islam is a problem, but it is a problem nurtured by invading and occupying Muslim-majority land. If the reverse were done to Christians, there would be nuclear missiles flying through the troposphere. I am so tired of hearing about the radical Muslims, when the radical Christians have all the weapons of importance and use them without discrimination on anyone that has “rights” over natural resources.
These wars are so obviously about power and resources and yet any backlash is treated as some kind of religious war. Its a lie. Stop being part of a lie about religion. Its about power.

That is why I stated that a few were using Islam to further their own agendas. The hatred of Islam has been enhanced even more by 9/11 and by the whole freaking invasion of Islamic territories by America in their quest to “liberate” and befriend those who live there. Personally to me it seems that these folks do not want or need emancipation from their own culture whether or not it may seem primitive to some. I say live and let live.

You paint a more complex picture than the one i have seen before in your posts. And for tha,t I can only back down and give you the space to explain your position more. I look forward to seeing how you elucidate your stance in future posts.
I look forward to your input levi501, perhaps we can learn from each other before we kill each other.

Likewise…my friend.

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i’ve seen evil disguised as a religious person, i’ve seen it in law enforcement, and throughout my life. and now my grandchildren will be worse off. or should i say all of our children and beyond.i’m doin all i can help in every way possible and in some times i i feel i have succeeded but most not.this does not deter me from continuing my efforts however i need to see and hear others join this national uprising every day in whatever capacity, but to not behave or partake in violence.cause that is what they want and they are prepared for it. right now we hear “be prepared have at least one years worth of food and water” there’s a storm rising and if you cannot see it then you ain’t lookin

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Sixty years ago, we hanged people for doing this…

Just another comment from the person who Carl Rove marketed to the American public. This person comes off as having the lowest I.Q. of any president we know of. The Republlicans are now the party of ignorance, hence Sara Palin. If Bush were smart he would sit down and shut up and not display his lack of intelligence, reason, and ability.

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W.just admitted to approving torture in direct violation of the Geneva Convention and the universal code of military justice and the Nuremberg laws.I would think this is an admission of guilt he may not get charged here in the sates but if he goes to Europe seeing him make a run to the US embassy will be great…

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There was 1 Spanish judge/prosecutor who wanted to prosecute Bush. It didn’t take long before his career was ruined, so a.t.m. no more prosecution of Bush. Sigh.. Google: Right-Wing Pursues Spanish Judge Who Investigated Pinochet, Bush Torture, Franco-Era Killings

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that man needs to be hung.

@MW – Yeah that makes sense. Let torture someone for approving the torture of others that were involved in torturing others.

Yes

hey chordshot…why did you change your name?…just curious…

my bro has access to my account..

why didn’t he just make his own?..anyway…i remember he was saying one of his relatives was a baptist pastor…is that you?…

No, he does not illustrate his opinions so easily, I meant my other brother, he was posting under my name at times and let him keep that one. He hardly comes on now though..he does not have a pc and likes to stir stuff up..lol

heh…he’s quite the piece of work. i’ll give him that…shoot, get him a netbook for Christmas…they’re cheap…tell him i miss him…;)

I’ll tell him the hound sends his regards..

i’m sure Congress and the Obama admin will find their balls and do something about this… yeah right.

He has the nerve,

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Threaten to waterboard me and I’ll be talking my ass off.

Sixty years ago we would have dropped incendiary bombs on cities (civilian men, women, and children), or a nuke. You would prefer that to pouring some water on a determined killer?

Sixty years ago we would have dropped incendiary bombs on cities (civilian men, women, and children), or a nuke. You would prefer that or pouring some water on a determined killer?

The japanese Generals were busy cutting off heads in China to save bullets and sending children’s heads back to Japan for souvenirs. Funny how you draw a line from these butchers to an elected president who was trying to defend us all. What a moron.

Btw….it was the Iraqi legal system that condemned Saddam to death. I guess they know first hand what a real killer/torturer is and what to do with them.

….not torturing US citizens.

Wrong….it was believed for years that Saddam had WMD. Saddam wanted it that way to keep his arch enemy (Iran) at bay. Clinton and the Brittish fully believed he had them.

Perhaps you should go drink tea with the Taliban

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