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Democrats should introduce one of two bills:
1) No govt health care for Congress
2) Open their plan to all Americans

This is where “the rubber meets the road” for the anti care people. IE.: Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.; Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.; …Let them eat cake. … All that sort of stuff.

The artificial divide whereby repuglicans want to separate middle-class American families from their health care, their homes and their hopes for their childrens’ educations is not sustainable. It will die, one way or another, peacefully or not. Make no mistake. We are not all or even mostly blind to this.

The “have’s” want it all but the “have-nots” don’t deserve the same things, so say so-called “big shots”.
As Chenny said “its our due”.

All of Congress should be on the nations Health Care system. Im sure the Democratic Congressmen would balk at that request just as quickly. Fact is, the current Health Care proposal is totally lame. Single payer, public option, get the Health Care industry out of it. But that aint gonna happen.

Its like watching the FDA saying seafood in the Gulf is safe. Yeah, right – Go Obama.

You act like the Democrats want something that works for the people. Obama, Pelosi, Reid weren’t duped or railroaded by the Republicans. They are representing their constituency: The Health Care Industry.

You think Obama represents the Health Care Industry? For real? Yes, most of the Democrats in Congress on in their pocket, but if Obama was the guy making the call, we would have a public option. But you are aware that Laws have to be passed by Congress first, yes? Congress took out the public option.

Obama briefly brought up the public option, but soon dropped it like a bad habit. Never heard him mention it again. Obama has taken the handoff from Bush, and is sprinting towards tyranny with it.

Because he was told Congress would never pass it. Just like Financial Reform. Obama and Volcker had their own ideas, but Congress would never pass them, so we got a watered down Bill. If it was up to Obama, Volcker would have written the rules.

Being President is not as powerful as you think. Remember, Bush never made decisions, he was led around like a puppy dog.

Not only should rethugs give up their Government funded health care, but so should their relatives and all their supporters who oppose health care reform. They should turn in their medicare cards and drop their prescription drug benefits. After all these programs are entitlements which add to the deficit. Rethugs, their families and friends should also take their children out of public schools and enroll them in private schools, after all privatization is a good thing, and btw, those who receive social security benefits will do us a service to refuse them. Rethugs should not only talk the talk, but they must walk the walk. Only then can they be credible.

I agree completely. And Democrats that voted against the public option should also pay for their own health insurance.

Walk that walk, Blue Dogs!

Given that they work for foreign businesses, reslugliklans also should give up their tax-paid salaries, offices and staff.

They will give up the government run insurance when a donkey flies and a fat pig sings opera. On TV.

and also..most politicians are wealthy and million-heirs….they can do without stipends, paid travel, meals etc…they make enough money they can pay their own way like everyone else…limo’s and all that wasteful spending on the taxpayers dime can go as well…these people are suppose to be public servants and not royalty…i don’t know how all that started, but it’s time for it to end…

Because it wouldn’t pass dummy!

He wanted something which is better than nothing after DECADES of trying to reform the system.

KEEP UP!

Want to help out with deficit reduction?Let’s force congress to take a fifty percent pay cut and make them purchase their own health insurance.We need to circulate a petition along these lines.

“He stood up and asked the two ladies who were answering questions why it had to take so long, what he would do without 28 days of health care,”

Well teabagger I suggest you take two balls across your nose, and call someone who gives a shit in the morning.

All the democrats had to do was pass medicare for everyone. That would have taken about 500 pages not thousands. There would be no health care dictator deciding who gets exemptions and who doesn’t. There would be not increase in power to the IRS. By now everyone with a social security number would have health care. It would be so popular the democrats would have won this election. One reason that did not happen was not because of the republicans, it was because of the democrats and their take from the insurance industry. The democrats controlled both houses, they could have pushed this through, but no they came up with such a convoluted bill that NO ONE EVEN KNOWS what it will do. and oh yes the democrats would have had to give up their gold plated health care.

Finally the Dems show a little bit of backbone, hopefully it’s not to late. Should have trotted out this plan when trying to get the bill passed.

At one time I would have dismissed the demand to give up taxpayer-funded health care as a stunt. But considering the low level of cultural comprehension common among tea baggers and other Regressives, Crowley et al should do it. The Democrats lost the election because they weren’t very good at politics. This is politics at its finest. Spotlight the other guy’s hypocrisy and make it the issue. Politics is mostly about character and hypocrisy is a character flaw.

I find it funny that they think this would actually work. Politicians only have a problem with someone getting something for free when it’s not THEM getting it.

“Free health care? I’ll take it. Let others have it too? Are you mad?”

The Republican members of Congress are going to ROFL for a long time over this. As always with the Dems, it’s a little too little, a little too late.

When is a Republican going to turn down a government handout? Never.

How to eliminate career politicians in Washington.

1) Offer them health care, but at their own expense.
2) Limit Senators to one term and Representatives to two.
3) Deny retired members of Congress the right to become lobbyists, permanently.
4) Eliminate the seniority system.
5) Move the Capitol, Supreme Court, Pentagon, Treasury Dept., and Federal Reserve Bank headquarters to different cities (no two within 100 miles of each other).

Commendable, but ineffective. The Divided States of Dumerica is being steamrolled by narrowly-focused rich white people who are out to fuck everyone who isn’t them.

Add this:

A.P.P.L.E. -
Abolish Political Parties. Legitimize the Electorate!

MrComments and motorfingaz are you both that gullible? Really? If Obama had wanted anything like a public option, limits on premiums, etc he would have taken it to the people. Using his bully pulpit, he would of pleaded to the citizens to call their reps and put the pressure on. He didn’t do any of this however. What he did do, was make backroom deals with big pharma and the insurance companies. He is nothing more than another status qua corporate shill.

“Congress shouldn’t have anything better than the American people.”

So Shilling admits that government run health-care is better than private insurance!

So…start that petition! Don’t just suggest it. ACTION!…not typed words. I’ll sign it immediately and help disperse it.

It will take Dem. Soc. to do exactly what you want to see happen BUT where are the crossovers from the two-party system? Still bitching at the keyboard. (Not YOU, personally, hounddogg. Generally speaking.)

gotta love those repugs … and talented too … they can talk out of both side of their mouth and their butt at the same time, while their brain is still in the vegetative state.

Everyone should have basic medical coverage for every health instance. That would include everything except unnecessary procedures such as cosmetic surgery. Cosmetic surgery for burn victims, and other injured people of for a gross condition would be covered.

After that one could pay for a premium insurance that would pay fort the extras, private room instead of semi private or ward. Full cable TV vs basic cable. Fancy colored casts vs plain plaster casts.

Our society depends upon low wage earners. They shouldn’t be penalized just because they don’t get paid megabucks.

Oh, so you’ve seen America’s Got Talent too.

Congressional Members’ Personal Wealth Expands Despite Sour National Economy

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2010/11/congressional-members-personal-weal.html

and after reading this article it’s not like any of our politicians would be hard pressed to be able to afford health insurance. besides when the housing industry was on the top of the wave they were giving sweet deals to politician, there’s no reason for me to believe that the health insurance companies would be any different.

You don’t understand politics. Obama would have allowed the public option. In order to gain support to pass it through Congress it had to come off the table in order to appease enough Congressmen and Senators to get it to pass. Yes there were backroom deals. That though is the price for some votes.

I don’t like it and think the whole thing stinks. Especially with Health Care and the Financial reform. But that is the way Washington, and even your State government works. Yes, Obama could have used his moral suasion. Why he didn’t is beyond me. In my opinion he should have, but I don’t get to tell the White House how to operate and this is what ended up costing the Democrats the election.

Term limits won’t work, as they will just sue to stay in office. They’ve done this successfully in several states,.

The key is simple – Never vote for an incumbent again.

If only 10% of voters followed this rule the career politician would vanish.

Some good politicians would have to be sacrificed for the greater good. Regardless, if you love your congressman, sned him home to do good in the community.

You’re absolutely right and the only other thing to do is get rid of their pensions like they’re getting rid of ours.

I’m waiting for a tea bagger to suggest we need some oversight of the financial sector.

“Congress shouldn’t have anything better than the American people.”

Then at least 20% of them need to become unemployed, and nearly half of them should experience shopping with food stamps at some point. Almost all of them would be living check to check without ever having a modicum of financial security.

That same douche forgoing the Congress health care policy, will be the one selling us out to Pharma next month. I don’t want him to be able to buy his own.

Your idea would have worked if the Dems were in lockstep like the repubs always are. The Dems always have groups within fighting the mainstream so even though it looks on paper like they have the majority, they had blue dogs to deal with who sided with repubs on the major legislation. Many of the blue dogs are/were DINOS and are no longer going to be in congress, but their votes counted. Theoretically, they had lieberman for the 60th vote in the senate, but we all know what a joke that was. The big money passed around by insurance companies went to both sides and did what it was supposed to so you can blame both parties, the insurance companies and the ignorance of people willing to work against their best interests for the failure of the public option or medicare for all.

If they had a gathering of 250 people including incoming congress people and their families at the health care informational meeting, I’m guessing there won’t be many more than 1 newly elected person turning down health care. Good for Mr. Crowley for pointing out the hypocrisy of many of these people in campaigning against it, then being the first in line with their hands out when push comes to shove. I wonder if the voters who put them in office who are living with insurance of their own are aware of what’s going on once these people got to Washington.

Never too late to do the right thing. If you voted against Health Care Reform, DEM or GOP stick by your principals and refuse this Taxpayer funded Healthcare coverage. What a bunch of liars and thieves.

Ron Paul has been doing this for years.

Andy Harris is a dumbshit. Has he never had a job before this? Every place I’ve worked makes you wait a month before benefits kick in.

And he’s an anesthesiologist. How out of touch can you be?

Thankfully, the majority of the Blue Dogs lost!

Yep. Obama didn’t/couldn’t go all the way, but he took a big step towards changing the paradigm surrounding our pathetic health care system.

Obama needs to take some cowboy lessons. He is a very, very smart guy, but he needs to get more down and dirty to have a greater/broader political appeal.

Not unless FAUX News or MSNBC tells them.

While at the same time demanding the elimination of big government.

That’s because their brain is permanently lodged somewhere in their colon.

Sounds like a great idea to me. IF the RW wants to kill Health Care for those that need it badly, then all of Congress should not be getting their own Gov’t run health care. No brainer, simple, honest. Man UP RW’ers and take your meds, and dump your health plan. They don’t have the nut sacks to do it.

You forgot the campaign “contributions” a/k/a payola

“Some good politicians would have to be sacrificed for the greater good.”

That wouldn’t be too difficult. Now that Ralph Nader is out of the way that leaves how many? Two or three?

“The Democrats lost the election because they weren’t very good at politics.”

Actually, that’s not true. They lost because they are the same as the Republicans.

That is very difficult to do when your party is in control of Congress. I suggest the next two years will see a lot more of a contrary Obama. Look for his bashing the Republicans as obstructionists for not approving his nominees and ignoring the economy.

Congress: “I got mine; fuck you.”

No, ALL politicians should be mandated to go on Medicare. THEN let’s see how far they chip away at it.

Jack Lohman …
http://MoneyedPoliticians.net

from one ugly joker to another! you’re creeping me out.. stopit!

lol

The problem is, if you remove all those things, then the “average Joe” who gets in to Congress would have a hard time doing their job. Taxpayers pay for all bills related to their government doing it’s job. It’s fair and makes sense.

The problem comes in when very rich people spend their own money to get into Congress. Clearly they are “up to something” since rich people get rich by gaming the system and only care about getting richer. It’s _who they are_. Like Brewster said “who spends millions of their own dollars to get into office unless they plan on stealing it all back.. with interest!.. vote none of the above!”.

The biggest failing of our government is its failing to do the work of “the people”, and instead does the work of the “few” (the group they belong to). The system has been hijacked by the few and they are beating “the people” over the head with it. … just like women in Congress who get the same pay as their male counterparts just voted to BLOCK all women getting equal pay for equal work. They aren’t willing to give the public the same playing field the public gives THEIR EMPLOYEES. …. game rigged.

Until the public stops electing rich, self-serving, pro-corporate ass-hats, we’ll continue to have less while the few gather all the wealth and piss on us.. that’s your “trickle down” right there. No, it’s not a warm summer rain running down your back.

If they walk away from employer(US Government) provided healthcare, that just means these guys will get it for free from one of their sponsors(donors).

What amazes me more is, he has TEN KIDS.. I couldn’t find anything about his insurance or wealth, but he doesn’t seem all that “rich” by Washington standards. Maybe all his kids are out of the house already?

And really.. 10 kids? With a world that’s over populated already, and so many people suffering while trying to fight for what resources there are, what kind of ignorant, selfish prick adds SO MUCH MORE pain and suffering to the world?

Don’t hold your breath.. When it comes to Tea Bagger candidates, I see two types. Those ignorant enough to actually believe the rhetoric and those who used the ignorance of the typical tea bagger just to get in office. The liars don’t want oversight, and the ignorant don’t understand the financial sector and will avoid it like the plague so as to not reveal their ignorance. They’re stupid, but not _that_ stupid.

And since we are their employers we should vote on their pay-never saw a business where the employees set their own wages.

28 days? Most educational institutions require a six- or twelve-month period before health benefits kick in. Dr. Harris (can’t you feel the irony right there?) is highly-trained but, it seems, utterly clueless. This does not speak well for his future performance in Congress. Surprised? Neither am I.

When Medicare was first passed, the idea was to provide coverage for people who couldn’t get it (because of age or bad health history), or lost it (because their group coverage expired upon their retirement). Medicare wasn’t offered to people under 65 because it was assumed they’d have coverage at work or could buy it at a reasonable price individually.

That was the 1960s. This is now. Something like 50 million Americans are where all senior citizens were in 1965. They can’t get coverage, and/or they can’t afford it. It makes no sense to still provide Medicare to senior citizens while denying it to people under 65.

Faux probably won’t mention it. MSNBC will probably do a feature on it.

Blue dog Democrats are proof that the two-party system is silly and unworkable. Ben Nelson and Dennis Kucinich are members of the same party…does that make a particle of sense? What do Rand Paul and Olympia Snowe have in common except a GOP label?

What a different world it would be if every candidate for office ran on his or her own party label instead of declaring allegiance to Democrats and Republicans. Think about it. There would be no Democratic or Republican National Committee, so money would largely vanish from politics (although multi-millionaires could still finance their own campaigns). Representatives could vote their consciences without threats from party leaders, because there wouldn’t be any party leaders. Lobbyists would have to deal with Senators and Representatives individually, meaning K Street-style maneuvering would disappear. Best of all, “straight ticket” voting would be impossible, meaning that candidates would be elected based on merit, not party allegiance.

Oh, what a wonderful dream!

My favorite teabagger line is “Keep your hands off my medicare”.

Mine is “I want my Amerika back!” ~tear, tear, sob, sob~

I usually ask “Back to what? Slavery or the slaughtering of Injuns?” Ha ha…They don’t like that…Oh, no Sir, they don’t.

I completely agree that political parties are out of control and way too powerful. We should go back to individual candidates running on only their own merit and not needing to raise money every day they come to work in congress. How much per day did Rahm say each House member needed to raise per day to keep the job? It was way too much and think how that money could be spent instead of using it to tell your constituents your opponent is a liar.

- oh, & you forgot:- I remember the days when hospitals would refuse service to those who weren’t covered by insurance. Wouldn’t this be the solution toward those who object to being forced to participate in a socialist health system ? I predict logical consequences would go a long way to alter selfish attitudes.

After they finish hazing all the newbies they will work to screw the sheople as they were taught.

I would change #1 to “Make them use Medicare for their health insurance”, and add #6: Make them live on food stamps for their entire freshman year.

MSNBC coverage is like putting perfume on when you haven’t showered for a month. Ha ha!

Then Faux coverage is putting your nose down a heavily used pit toilet. let’s keep things in perspective.

Bullshit. Obama is a pussy. He can veto any bill he wants.

Republican rules and platforms don’t apply to them, they apply to those “other” people.

Only the nose? I have a much, much more colorful and descriptive description but I’m afraid it may be a wee bit to gross for most people’s sensibility.

When using scatological metaphor, I feel the less said, the better and you still get a pretty good idea of what was meant.

Smart man. It could have got ugly. Real ugly. :)

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Look up “veto” and “pass” as they pertain to Legislation when you get a chance.

Would you want your life in the hands of Andy Harris if you were having surgery? I just had a procedure under general anesthesia this week. I am just glad he was not the one administering it.

You go Turnip! I would love to see someone take out a full page ad in the NY Times with that message!!

I think progressives should unilaterally press for a Tea Bagger in Congress to do just that, push in a relentless form until that person folds and then just go after another, etc. etc. etc., broadcasting this in the press in a big way until the sham becomes well known..

It’s unfortunate that the national Dems can’t do at least that. Most of them just act like deer in the headlights with their mouths open or act like jellyfish in the ocean…

I would also remove ANY pension interest when they leave office…

These bastard GOP’ers think they’re “entitled” to gold-plated insurance, paid for by the tax dollars of us Americans who can’t afford health care for our families. They’ll not give up anything.

“We don’t pay for healthcare, only the LITTLE people pay for healthcare!” -Speaker-in-Waiting Leona Boehner

“And he’s an anesthesiologist. How out of touch can you be?”

My guess is he is “comfortably numb” ;-)

ok then…we can pay for a cab or public transportation, instead if a $400 a night room, they can get one for under $100..$10 for a meal…you get my drift…

No shit, Sherlock. Obama could tell the Democrats to stuff it. If its not single payer, public option, its a no starter. Too late now. Tea Party gets their chance to set things right.

No, Congress puts together the Legislation, not the President. The President can veto it, but he can only discuss his agenda with Congress, not “set” the agenda. It was either no Health Care Reform, or what we got. Congress would not have done it any other way. If Obama vetoed, there would have been no Bill at all. And it’s a good thing that passed, because the Republicans that are taking over the House would never have passed it. If they try to repeal it, THEN Obama has real power. He can just Veto it.

I don’t think you understand just how complex the system is. You think Bush “pushed” his agenda through Congress to get power for the Iraq War? You forget, the CONGRESS gave him that power……because of Oil and AIPAC Lobby money, not because they wanted to go along with the President. Only a few Dem Senators had the balls to oppose that nonsense, most notably two late Senators (Byrd and Kennedy). But all the Dems had to do was vote NOT to give the President War Powers (it was in violation of the Constitution), and Bush could not have gone to War without authorization from Congress…..the way the Constitution is written,

No, Congress puts together the Legislation, not the President. The President can veto it, but he can only discuss his agenda with Congress, not “set” the agenda. It was either no Health Care Reform, or what we got. Congress would not have done it any other way. If Obama vetoed, there would have been no Bill at all. And it’s a good thing that passed, because the Republicans that are taking over the House would never have passed it. If they try to repeal it, THEN Obama has real power. He can just Veto it.

I don’t think you understand just how complex the system is. You think Bush “pushed” his agenda through Congress to get power for the Iraq War? You forget, the CONGRESS gave him that power……because of Oil and AIPAC Lobby money, not because they wanted to go along with the President. Only a few Dem Senators had the balls to oppose that nonsense, most notably two late Senators (Byrd and Kennedy). But all the Dems had to do was vote NOT to give the President War Powers (it was in violation of the Constitution), and Bush could not have gone to War without authorization from Congress…..the way the Constitution is written,

Yes, yes i understand. Im saying, Obama could have said to the Democrats. Nope. Not good enough. This is a bill only the insurance industry could love (who of course wrote the damn thing). You put this on my desk, I’ll veto it. Nothing is better than this shit. Sorry, Obama is a pussy.

John F Kennedy, where are you …

A petition along the lines I have suggested is (albeit somewhat diluted)already for anybody that wants to sign it at http://www.thepetitionsite.com.Please add your own comments and be vocal and strong about it.It will work!

[...] Dems to GOP Congress members: Give up your taxpayer-funded health care [...]

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/paycuts-and-no-government-backed-health-insurance-for-gop/ There you go! Sign it and pass it on. My neighbor just started one!

Since they voted for them in the first place…I highly doubt that they have a clue.

As members of Congress, these Republicans are employees of the Federal Government, not welfare constituents. Trying to point out their opposition to extending welfare class insurance as hypocritical is thus disengenuous. The GOP is not trying to take away anyone’s employee sponsored insurance plans, however, the great democratic scheme is certainly putting upwards pressure on the cost of everyone’s healthcare and insurance costs.

On the other hand, the Dems are hypocrits. They love their government spending and taxing, yet when is the last time that one of those wealty liberals donated all their weath to the government?