Thank you Senator Wyden! Congresscriters, keep your hands off our internet!

This is WONDERFUL news!

I am a proud Oregonian transplant. THANKS RON!

Sir Tim Berners-Lee? You mean Sir Albert Gore, don’t you?

Thank you Senator Wyden!

Geez, I thought all Democrats were required to have their balls removed before taking office, these days.

Thanks so much Senator Wyden… this is why Oregon ♥’s you so darn much!

Oregon stands for freedom once again. thumbs up.

FINALLY some good news!!!

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Thank you Senator Wyden.

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I can’t believe Patrick Leahy’s bullshit comment:

“Few things are more important to the future of the American economy and job creation than protecting our intellectual property,”

Oh yeah? I could think of MANY things more important than that. With the constant exponential expansion of technology and the internet and all the sharing that goes on, I think we’re going to have to find a whole new way of looking at the issue, which does NOT include the things in this bill. Senator Wyden is to be praised!

Thank you Senator Wyden!

Thank you Senator Wyden; thank you for being the voice of the hoi polloi and for saying no to this RIAA give-in/giveaway

I am a creator, with literally hundreds of items under copyright protection.. I applaud Wyden’s hold. A hammer is not an effective weapon against a cloud of mosquitoes.

Power is a slippery slope. Give those in power a hammer and they’ll look for something to pound… then ask for a bigger hammer.

Wyden is good news.

But Patrick Leahy and the Judiciary Committee are disgraceful and dangerous.

May be a good ‘Dark Horse’ for 2012? instead of the current politician who has devoted his life to absolutely nothing but self-promotion; a lawyer who never practiced law, a teacher who never taught anything, an organizer who never organized.

Wyden is my Senator and is well liked and respected by people of all political parties. Works hard, is smart, well informed and stands up to do what he honestly believes is best for his constituents. Senator Wyden, thank you once again.

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Go, Wyden!

OH GOD, I hope so!

Thank you Senator.

And to all of us, let’s remember to donate either effort or dollars to his next campaign, I’ve a feeling his competition will be quite well funded.

Wyden is an American hero.

Thank you, Senator Wyden.

YEAH!! …….but it will be back. I’m pretty sure of that.

Absolutely. No one should be so single-mindedly in pursuit of intellectual property enforcement that they’re willing to sacrifice rights and freedoms of greater importance and primacy.

Senator Leahy’s time would be better spent holding public hearings investigating the Bush administration’s torture policies.

That’s my Senator! He and Jeff Merkley make me ever grateful to be an Oregonian.

hey RIAA, Comcast, et,al…┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐
┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐!…censor that!…thank you Sen. Wyden!

way to go exactly what we the people need. representatives that actually represent us.

ME TOO
ME TOO !!

Whenever “…Democrats and Republicans are standing together,” you know the public is getting screwed. Maybe Senator Wyden can do something about the Food Safety Bill.

Thank you man! Hope it sticks.

Thank you Senator.

Change we have been waiting for!
Obama are you F’N listing?

And, lucky for rabid Reich Wing TeaKlan, an executive who never executed anyone.

Good victory. I agree with other posters, Senator Leahy is dangerous and needs to be gone. This being the second of his draconian bills to be neutered today. The other being the senate Food Safety bill S.510. Scary stuff….

Good call! Good to see there’s a little sanity left in Congress.

Wyden, Merkle, Peter DeFazio three voices from oregon that represent sanity in a sea of insanity

This bill stinks and it is hypocritical of the right.

What the bill is saying that if a copyright becomes an issue then the taxpayers will end up paying for the fight instead of the private party. To give readers here at raw an example here is a link to a letter of notice to shutdown:

http://cryptome.org/0002/citigroup-dmca/citigroup-dmca2.htm

The letter is claiming copyright infringement. From what I gather if the bill mentioned in the article above passed. Then all the company has to do it get the taxpayers to foot the bill aka lawyer fees that private companies would have had to pay.

The law can also be used in other ways such as use taxpayer money to force the site to shutdown because the site cannot afford the legal fees if the government continues to harrass the site with false claims.

Fox News is notorious for filing bogus claims such as the suit against Al Franken which was later thrown out by the courts. Conservatives have billions in money i.e U.S Chamber of Commerce, all the Conservative Think Tanks. Conservatives will use taxpayer money to force a shutdown of sites critical of Conservative material and posting this Conservative material.

The internet is the Conservatives greatest enemy and they will make sure a dirty tricks are used including using tax payer money to gain a monopoly on information.

Senators Wyden, Merkley, and Congressman Defazio from Oregon ~ Three sane voices in a sea of insanity

Right wing douchebags won’t like this too much.

(with apologies to douchebags which are a useful and sanitary utility.)

Score one for the good guys.

Fuck yea!

This is very simple, when it comes to curtailing freedom, the repugs are all for it, and when it comes to granting more freedom, the repugs are against it. Hence the defeat of the Paycheck Fairness Act and the extension of unemployment checks.

The repugs don’t want their constituents to have anything, including jobs, equal pay and freedom, as well as a few other things that aren’t beneficial to the conservative cause.

Of course repugs would want to kill net neutrality, bloggers expose them for who they really are, liars, thieves, hypocrites and money-hungry scavengers among other things.

Did you hear the one about the health care overhaul that the mentally-disordered left allowed the insurance lobby to write and then they called it a blow to the insurance lobby?! Or how about the Presidential candidate who called for the formation of Brown Shirts to back up his Presidency? If you think progressive politics equal freedom why don’t you pick the first European or Latin American nation that springs to mind and move there?! Can we assume you’ve never stepped outside of the Democrat-run slum you reside in and it’s all “the man’s” fault?

The country elected a Marxist to high office and gave him a congressional majority. Since he never ran a hot dog stand, the country went backwards in the area of jobs, pay and freedom.

He will go down as the one that saved the internet, thank you Ron Wyden than you. He must have realized the power of the internet and the hypocrisy of the US and the companies wanting censorship when we complain about them censoring the internet in China.

You do know that Marxist douchebags are running the nation right now and they want the government reaching into everyone’s business?! The constitutional Republicans have heard of such things as `due process`. Why would they be unhappy with this?

For what its worth, the bill was a piece of crap from start to finish…loosely worded like so many bad bills are today. Net censorship always sounded good at first…everywhere it was tried…in Australia, England, China, Iran etc…and it always starts with the purpose intended…state security, copyright protection, preventing sex crimes…

…and it always ends up spreading like wildfire into stifling political speech, hampering access to free forums of discussion, censoring religious speech not supported by the state and closing off adult oriented websites that don’y actually break any laws but instead merely offend the sensibilities of prudes.

We’re never going to get good laws written for ANYTHING…as long we keep letting lobbyists for industry and fanatics do the writing.

My grandchildren thank you……..

Here, here, Oregon! Also, number one, the Ducks!

don’t you have your own site to spew your hate and ignorance and obivously you have never stepped out of your uneducated ThugliCon faux bubble GO AWAY you hateful moron

A kernel of hope.

I can’t stand people like you your what is wrong with this country Why don’t you go find one of your moron hateful friends there are plenty of you out there I am sure you can find ONE that does’nt think the earth is FLAT go find a island you can all go live in hate together OH YEA Don’t forget to LOCK AND LOAD!

GO AWAY

Let’s hear from the State of Oregon Citizens!

yawn

yawn

None of the Democrats in Washington are Marxists. It’s also worth noting that there are no Nazis in the Republican party. There are, however, plenty of douchebags on both sides. Unfortunately the irrational, polarizing horse shit that gets spewed from both sides of the aisle ends up getting picked up and parroted by guys like you and Rabid Liberal.

Wake up, people! It’s a two-party system, and neither party has anything to gain from making radical changes to the Washington status quo. At the end of the day all either side really wants is to be in control for as long as they can, because being in charge means being in the money. It makes no difference which side won the last election, or which side wins the next one. Regardless of the outcome, the winners will work like hell to line their pockets while the losers work like hell to jam things up long enough to retake control of the purse strings.

Guys like you two, yammering about “Repugs” and “Marxists” are just part of the smokescreen that the politicians hide behind while they rob us all blind and mortgage our children’s future.

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Good job, Sen. Wyden.

All you’re doing is spewing beck talking points. As for ‘due process’, bush signed the Military Commissions Act into law, effectively killing ‘due process’. Please don’t come in here spouting off about ‘due process’ when bush and his repugs basically cleaned their asses on habeas corpus and the rule of law.

Constitutional Republicans is an oxymoron.

Those websites you refer to are an extreme minority of the net’s citizens or inhabitants. The music industry has profited itself into the position its in through pure greed. The film industry will lose far more because of Netflix and unemployment.

You dont censor every person in the world to save the film industry. The number of people that steal is vastly smaller than the number that pay.

Which company is paying you? No thanks, I don’t want your world

Kudos to Senator Ron Wyden.

Just imagine if everyone stood up for what they believe in. The world would change overnight, for the better.

You have made an excellent argument for socialism, and why artists, writers, and inventors (of which I am two), should have a guaranteed income, as long as they are producing good things for society.

Backtalk? I’d love to hear it.

First off the basis of your argument is moronic. Most of the posts I have read deal with how the internet was saved, not about piracy. If like you claim 94% of the public stole music, it wouldn’t be produced anymore. Artists are still getting paid, record labels are still getting paid, the disc manufacture’s are still getting paid (though with the market going away from spinny discs in favor of solid state media, their market share is dwindling), and the music stores are still making a profit. If they weren’t you would see them close shop for good.

Secondly there is greed selfishness in this country. Though you are misdirecting it. Yes there is piracy, and there always will be. But the biggest rip off doesn’t happen on line. Besides there are laws, that could be enforced, to prevent some piracy, though I doubt that it would go away completely.

Thirdly, I am not attacking you. I am offering a counter argument. Your ideas, in my opinion, are flawed. What has happened has actually strengthened the public’s last line of open communication, for now. The little guy, aka the tax payers, won a small victory here. With the internet we can have open and honest debates. You will not see anything like that on the large corporate controlled magic moving picture boxes. Everyone who has a network, cable or otherwise has a spin to it. While the censorship plan was introduced as an anti piracy piece of legislation, it would have soon been turned towards another purpose. We are supposed to support freedom in this country, for the good and the bad. Yet time and time again we legislate freedom away.

What part of “alleged” escapes you ?

Since when do attorneys general substitute for courts?

@ I agree that copyright violators are a problem, and that artists deserve compensation. But this is a poor excuse for legislation. Napster was shut down, and we aren’t any closer to solving the problem ten+ years later. Shutting down any of these websites and new ones would pop up in days. The real way to combat filesharing (if one disagrees with it) is to follow the Apple model. Make your paid service easier than filesharing, that’s all it would take to return enough profit to pay for media, while innovating and providing a better product.

It leaves us wondering, out here in Los Angeles, why were not out so-called Liberal or Progressive Senators Boxer or Feinstein on the scene with this one?

It gives you a good idea of how the politicians are betraying their constituents.

Jeff:

Gawd, where to begin?

This misbegotten rubbish suggested as legislation was only a far right-wing ruse. A hammer in search of ants. Bottom line – have brilliant attny’s or don’t put your intellectual property on the web. Simple really.

Don’t fall for this in any way thinking this rubbish might have helped you as a ant, creative or pirate. It was not intended to do that, it had a far larger purpose.

Trust I know quite a bit about this and the multi-billion dollar film, video and entertainment industry has far better ways to deal with piracy than this hammer headed suggested legislation.

I’m in Thailand where we have massive net censorship. Right now, more than 250,000 websites are censored and many that are censored are sites that are in opposition to the present government. Just like everywhere net censorship exists, those in power use it to stifle free speech and political opposition.

If the US ever managed to push thru net censorship, from my personal experience, I can honestly say ONLY bad things happen.

Ron saved the Internets. Ron saved the Internets…

“A bill that critics say would have given the government power to censor the Internet will not pass this year…”

“This year” being the operative words. There is always next year. And the day after. Do not despair. Besides, all the government has to do is approve that deal between Google & Verizon, bless a rate increase and only the elite will be able to afford it, effectively, kicking us poor folks out of the Internets.

So, remember, it’s not over till the fat lady sings.

I’ve been standing up for what I believe in all my life. So, far, the only thing I’ve changed is myself. And not necessarily for the better.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeppo_Marx

How do you know they weren’t?

Richard:

There is, I would hope, help for you. Psychological counseling would be an option as incoherent argument is an indication of disease. Unfortunately, I doubt your government or for profit plan would agree. Of course, if you have no plan, you can just continue to talk to yourself and spare us the drivel.

Thanks Senator Wyden. Now you can move on to other priorities such as bitchslapping the President for acting like a Neocon.

hurray for the little guy’s !

So when are we going to hear something like “This is a sacrilege!” or “The Devil made him do it!” from Gingrich or Boner?

Ron Wyden, you f’n rule! Thank you!

unfortunately i think its only a question when.

Just when you think hope’s asleep.

You need electroshock. Really.
I suppose that this is what we get. We will have to save them from their own idiot selves, or just draw a circle around the stupid states, and make them get in the middle.

Right wing? Pat Leahy? I’m as shocked as you — Leahy has always been a defender.

On another subject, P & S, “where were you when me darlin’ son was riddled with bullets?”

The expression is “hear! hear!”

Wow! Two Abbey Theatre avatars in a row. What are the chances?

[...] Let’s all give it up for Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR), the man who probably just saved the Internet.rawstory.com [...]

The 19 Senators Who Voted to Censor the Internet:

Patrick J. Leahy — Vermont
Herb Kohl — Wisconsin
Jeff Sessions — Alabama
Dianne Feinstein — California
Orrin G. Hatch — Utah
Russ Feingold — Wisconsin
Chuck Grassley — Iowa
Arlen Specter — Pennsylvania
Jon Kyl — Arizona
Chuck Schumer — New York
Lindsey Graham — South Carolina
Dick Durbin — Illinois
John Cornyn — Texas
Benjamin L. Cardin — Maryland
Tom Coburn — Oklahoma
Sheldon Whitehouse — Rhode Island
Amy Klobuchar — Minnesota
Al Franken — Minnesota
Chris Coons — Delaware

It’s the people against government…time to rise up…

I live in Oregon. I just voted to re-elect Ron Wyden, and now I remember why. With Feingold gone, he’s probably the only guy in the senate giving the progressive movement a pulse.

I just hope he doesn’t fly any light aircraft in the near future.

Thank you Sen. Wyden.

It makes no sense that Feingold, Whitehouse, and Leahy, not to mention Klobuchar and Franken would support something seemingly so malign — I’m frankly expecting some news that it contained language that protects the net from spurious shutdowns based on, say, planted violations by anonymous posters.

If such news is not forthcoming, I’m at a loss to know where to move to.

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the is no such animal as a “constitutional republican” these days bub…you probably don’t even know what Marxism means…you are like a parrot that repeats what it hears, but has no clue what it means…

Ron will just block it again if they reintroduce it in its present form. This sort of tactic is exactly what the GOP has been doing for years in order to force major concessions on progressive leaning legislation. It’s time to turn the tables.

As you might well suspect my avatar does not refer to the American public houses that take (kindly) it’s name nor does it refer to Sean’s play at the Abbey. It is but the flag itself and all who were so “radical” for their time, including my own great grandfather, who served under it as a soldier of The Irish Citizens Army. It was and is a flag for Democratic Socialism whether in Ireland in 1913 or here today in yes, 2011.

Look, if you really REALLY want to get music without paying for it, all you have to do is go to your public library, check out a couple of CD’s, and rip MP3′s from them. If they have some kind of copy protection on them, you can take a feed directly from your computer’s sound card and make a .wav file out of it, then convert that to an MP3. Surely the RIAA knows this, and knows that they will never stop people from copying music without paying for it.

In my view, the scheme has always been about control of the Internet, using the “piracy” and “intellectual property” arguments to justify tighter controls.

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I’ve read WB Yeats. He was a friend of mine, And Smitty, you’re no WB Yeats.

is the dysfunctionality of the US Senate now coming into a clearer focus? although we see Franken and Feingold on the list, it’s the rest of them I worry about as members of this committee.

this committee IS the problem in America! have you seen any bankers going to jail? any oil company executives involved in the Macondo well blowout in jail? no, you haven’t.

it’s because this committee has failed to put up and pass legislation with teeth in it. thank you, Senator Wyden!

Thank You Senator Wyden. You make us Oregonians proud! I am sure glad that Oregon has 2 Superb Senators in office these days. Makes me feel a little more relieved and safe to know that you and others like you will ride shotgun to protect the commons. Thanks for standing tall and looking into the future.

I don’t always agree with you on all matters, but when the push gets to shove, you are there, doing the “right thing”. You sir, just made the holiday season a little brighter and a step forward towards a democratic government is a step in the right direction.

What leaves me feeling cold is that with that many senators voting for it, it will only be a matter of time before they attach it to some other hog slop and turn the lights out on us for good. The slide and drift to absolute despotic authoritianism continues as there are numerous proposals to further limit and deny due process. The supporters of these infringements view unionists and conservationists as terrorists and seek to crush and remove any objectors to their power and plans. “What does it profit a man if he gaineth the whole world and loseth his soul?” There are a lot of soon to be lost souls on that list.

“With Feingold gone, he’s probably the only guy in the senate giving the progressive movement a pulse.”

Ahem….Bernie Sanders.

It makes a lot of sense…if they could shut down the voice of anyone center and right of that they will try! The first amendment only applies to them in their eyes..we see that everyday

Have to admit I am a little stunned to see Al Franken and Russ Feingold on that list. I think the public is owed an explanation.

I hope you are right. Its past time to start using the GOP’s own tactics against them.
What are their tactics? Oh yeah, simplistic bumper-sticker slogans, fear-mongering and legislative obstruction.

I’m shocked about Sheldon Whitehouse voting this way. Thanx for the info but I will have to do some more research.

You are absolutely correct. I was trying to show how the argument that people stealing music online is a bogus claim.

I haven’t looked into Boxer but Feinstein’s husband is a player in the defense industry and profits wildly from the national security state and his wife’s position. In short, she is a crook.

“As chairperson and ranking member of the Military Construction Appropriations subcommittee (MILCON) from 2001 through the end of 2005, Feinstein supervised the appropriation of billions of dollars a year for specific military construction projects. Two defense contractors whose interests were largely controlled by her husband, financier Richard C. Blum, benefited from decisions made by Feinstein as leader of this powerful subcommittee.”

http://www.metroactive.com/metro/01.24.07/dianne-feinstein-0704.html

yeah, a few of us in southern Oregon did support Sen. Wyden, and glad we did.

a law with teeth would authorize the pursuit, investigation, trial, conviction, and PUNISHMENT of the human perpetrators of theft of property, tangible or intellectual, and then the taking down of their organizations.

we have laws designed to do this already on the books–but enforcement is lacking as are disincentives to those who would behave criminally.

UM… yeah, shame on all 19 of them for protecting legal copyright holders and standing up to a mob of Americans that think they are OWED something for free…

you really think that YOU are smarter than the 19 Senators who unanimous supported this bill…well, up until this clown? Bet one of you even read it! It’s to protect someone’s intellectual property so it can’t be stolen illegally. Hell, if we are gonna start having a free for all, please send me the keys to your house so i can steal whatever i want.

This bill is to PROTECT legal copyright holders and ensure people are not stealing it it is not a bill to take away your first amendment right of saying everyone owes you something for free… you can still whine about that ll you want.

Josephine County–Go Ron! You rock!

I’m proud to have Senator Wyden represent me in the great state of Oregon. So proud, in fact, I’m going to celebrate by smoking a joint, drinking a Jubelale, and looking at some online porn in his honor. OK, 2 joints, 4 Jubels, and then maybe a body massage with happy ending.

Thank you for protecting my freedom, Ron!

The Ducks are my number 2 team–go Beavers!

Jeff’s opinion is a perfect example of the mindset the bill’s supporters want to encourage. They hope people will take the stated aims of the bill at face value – that is just about protecting the rights of owners, and that any opponents are just simple-minded thieves.

It is a difficult thing to make people understand the nuances / implications / side-effects of a bill in the face of such an easy-to-sell message, but very encouraging that people like Senator Wyden understand this is about protecting the internet and free speech.

right on sonny!!

Whatever you say, RIAA Shill Hack Idiot Troll.

Oh please… ANY bill can be manipulated into anything you ‘fear’.

don’t worry, there will be plenty of free porn for all of you no matter if this bill passes or not, settle down now.

oh brother. How many people are going to take the time to go to the library, bring a CD home, burn it, return it so they got something for free….. NOBODY.

BUT how many people will sit in their underwear and download a CD online and burn it in 2 minutes for free…. 94% of Americans.

So where is the ‘leak’ in the system? What you want the government to just sit back and let everyone’s intellectual property be stolen for anyone who want it?

Everyone just man up and admit you feel you deserve something for free… if there were a gas station on your corner that you could scam gas out of in the middle of the night in your undies, you’d be doin’ that too. After all, the oil companies deserve to be shafted too, right? Heck, i think milk is getting overpriced too… i need to get me a big jacket and go lifting at the grocery store.

Our culture is getting sickening… it’s all about ‘what can I get out of this’…

Really? That’s your response?

I rest my case… small minded people…

this is like acting against cd companies “big intellectual”. rotfl.

the law you seek is already on the books. perhaps it is a funding shortage for the Justice Department. perhaps the deterrence needs to be strengthened. but we certainly can’t short-circuit the due process of law for political expediency.

shill

Well, it’s more insightful than “yawn”. I rest my case.

BRAVO!!!

Thank you so much for seeing reason and looking into the future. One of the most important inventions in the history of man can continue on in the form it should be.

shill. this is a classic tactic. undermining the argument by attacking with something base. right now there’s a churn in the value proposition of the music industry. they have successfully gamed the system, and people are rebelling against crappy music being charged exorbitantly. the independent music also being stymied by these goon orgs.there’s so much thats unsaid for the people. but there’s always the music industry espousing and speaking virtues. basically, they sat with their calculators pulled out and thought that they’d be making 500 billion dollars in 2010 20 years back when they saw the potential of people buying cds indefinitely, and whatever they arent getting now is a loss by piracy. what a stupid logic.

I hear you… all too well. 1) There is no other choice; 2) If our actions were multiplied by 1 million, the world would have changed by now; 3) Worse case–or perhaps best?–we must cheer our progeny on.

it’s like debating a wall…

All right!!! Our freedom on the Internets is preserved. Now we just need to start working on not torturing people (and also not groping/irradiating them at airports).

All right!!! Our freedom on the Internets is preserved. Now we just need to start working on not torturing people (and also not groping/irradiating them at airports).

All right!!! Our freedom on the Internets is preserved. Now we just need to start working on not torturing people (and also not groping/irradiating them at airports).

Nice job Oregon democrat Wyden

…and losing.

I do this all the time. Of all the commenters on this page, you are the most out there and obscenely wrong. What amuses me is you are oblivious.

Really Jeff, 94% or approximately 291,400,000 million people in the US are downloading. Well that explains my slow internet connections lately. You must be getting your numbers from Faux Snooze.

Conversely, why put up with the politics of progressives that you so deeply revile when you can reside carefree in the world’s most free-market economy, Somalia? Pretty sure your tax bill would be zero there. Cancervative utopia, no?

The constitutional Republicans have heard of such things as `due process’.

I agree, they would have to have heard of it. On the other hand, the last time they put in in practice certainly recedes my lifetime. But perhaps you are in fact much, much older than myself. After all, it is a fact that the teabagger demographic is mostly Medicare-provided wheelchair-bound.

If you can’t see why it might be a bad idea to let the government shut down websites over anything ONE politician deems illegal…well, what’s the nice way to put it? You’re probably a HUGE Palin fan.

“It’s also worth noting that there are no Nazis in the Republican party.”

Although Glenn beck does stop just short enough of plagiarizing Mein Kampf to keep the lawyers away.

“It’s also worth noting that there are no Nazis in the Republican party.”

Although Glenn beck does stop just short enough of plagiarizing Mein Kampf to keep the lawyers away.

“It’s also worth noting that there are no Nazis in the Republican party.”

Although Glenn beck does stop just short enough of plagiarizing Mein Kampf to keep the lawyers away.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_6776/is_4_8/ai_n31128470/

furthermore:

‘an estimated one billion digital tracks are illegally downloaded MONTHLY compared with iTunes Music Store sales of over five billion downloads in its five-year existence.’

and that was written in 2008.

I think people ignore the facts and how huge of a problem this is. It destroyed an entire industry. So 19 Senators decided to turn the tide and and protect copyright holders. Why the outcry???

Um, what?

Barry

Um, what?

Barry

Um, what?

Barry

Sick em, hounddogg. Who’s a goo’ boy?

But, but, Obama’s a Constitutional law professor….gag

woof!…(pant,wag,pant,wag)…

“The internet is the Conservatives greatest enemy” …with the stuff they say/write, you would think they didn’t know it existed…

When us poor folks can no longer afford “the internets” or cable, we’ll disconnect, have temporary withdrawal symptoms, and then get on with our lives. We’ll actually talk to our neighbors and family, we’ll start reading actual books, newspapers and magazines again. We’ll use more stamps paying our bills and sending real letters (won’t the post office be happy?). We’ll get outside more, move our bodies more, and have less eye strain. So, it’s not all bad. But I won’t like it. And thank-you Ron Wyden.

i love the Beavers…when they’re playing the Ducks…

nope proud Democrat and a Liberal one at that. And to just prove how idiotic your comment is, Palin would agree with YOU … less government and WAY less regulation. Let the public sector govern itself.

i reiterate… like debating a wall.

did you finally get laid AC!?!…nothing about Obama?…heh…i’ll bet i’m right..XD…

Oops!

I’d like to copy your comment and send it to all 19 of the Senators who voted for this bill. Thank-you for your post.

You even defend Obama Fascism when it’s off topic. Then again, I’m sure Obama’s very upset that he will not get to sign this Fascist piece of legislation any time soon. You Fascist monsters have really messed up our country, haven’t you?

Lol? Maybe the one that needs to read the bill is you. There are already laws protecting intellectual property and copyright. This bill would have allowed for an ENTIRE SITE to be taken down for one ALLEGED violation. Just take a look at YouTube for examples. I’m guessing you’ve never seen Dragonball Z Abridged, but it’s a parody of a TV series, and as a parody it SHOULD be protected under free speech, as has been set by precedent. However, because big companies put pressure on Youtube, they took down all the videos and banned the account. Now imagine that on a much larger scale.

Let me clear this up for you. The hammer is not for the mosquitoes, it’s for independent, non-corporate, communications media.

Wow, a politician from my state actually REPRESENTED ME and the collective we to the best of his ability.
Thank you Senator Wyden for giving me a small glimmer of hope in a enormous sea of shit.

Thanks you from up in Washington State

Thank you from up in Washington State

Palin you must understand is a liar. When she says less government, she means less government that helps the common people. In this case, she will be all for it.

This is not about protecting private interests. It’s designed to destroy independent media.

You seem to be repeating your ‘wall’ statement often enough, and without making good counter-arguments. Wall, indeed…

lolz!…i wasn’t defending anyone, retard…thanks for not disappointing me…XD

“The Internet’s creator, Sir Tim Berners-Lee”

Just a minor clarification. Sir Berners-Lee did not “create the Internet”, he created the HTTP protocol used by web sites and browsers. The Internet is larger than just the web, it includes e-mail, FTP, VoIP and many other services.

While Britannia’s huns
With their long range guns
Sailed in through the foggy dew

Poor old Erin’s isle, sold to Henry II by the Pope of all people, finally free after 761 years — they’re still gunning for you, the bankers are.

Finally, a representative with some balls and an ear for the people.

When are you moving to Dubai? I hear they have a Bloomingdale’s…

Newsflash: As soon as Obomber was elected, many knew the reich-wing would blame him for everything that was built up to destroy the middle class and the economy through the past 30 yrs of reich-wing, trickle-down, voodoo economics – which had finally come due. And of course, that’s what you did.

Yes, thanks to reich-wing policies, there are plenty of democrat and tea-party slums to go around…

Reich-wingers love the debt. The higher it gets, the better they can destroy the FDR-led socialist democratic policies which they hate bitterly. They care nothing for the people of the nation in general, only power.

Ha ha ha ha. Nice art.

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Everything went better than expected!

No! Here, here—-as “here” in Oregon!

OK, ok. You know what happens at civil war time——One will spoil it for the other team!

Go Timbers! (Official Member of The Timbers Army)

In Orwell’s 1984, the people didn’t have the internet or anything like it, Big Brother would never stand for it, and it certainly wasn’t such a happy place. It’s a powerful tool – good and bad, imo.

Ha ha ha ha. Sadist!

ha ha ha. Good one.

Right on. Remember the ROTC fire…………..

“The Internet’s creator, Sir Tim Berners-Lee…”

Seriously, people. Do you research. Berners-Lee did NOT create the Internet. He created the protocol for the World Wide Web, a section of the Internet. It’s like saying Garrett Augustus Morgan, the guy who invented the stop light, invented road travel.

This isn’t about starving artists getting ripped off…

got anything else for dennycrane?

I predict the Beavers will down the Ducks 46-43 in 3 overtimes :)

I’m having a hard time with this list. My primary problem is Al Franken being on it as he’s been one of the more outspoken about Net Neutrality.

Not saying it’s not true, just saying that there might be more to it.

you wan to put your money where your mouth is?…no spread…

you want to put your money where your mouth is?…no spread…

Ooops.. you’re right. Noted.

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ya’ know, if the full statement were made in one line “it’s like debating a wall…and losing”. I think you could coin that phrase. (please don’t try to copyright it)

Aye and Ta Proud,

Not to bore the others about here but yes…….

“Marchin’ down O’Connell Street with the Starry Plough on high
There goes the Citizen Army with their fists raised in the sky
Leading them is a mighty man with a mad rage in his eye
“My name is James Connolly – I didn’t come here to die

But to fight for the rights of the working man
And the small farmer too
Protect the proletariat from the bosses and their screws
So hold on to your rifles, boys, and don’t give up your dream
Of a Republic for the workin’ class, economic liberty” …..

My personal opinion: cast off the old corporate Democratic party, found a new Progressive Party and let’s see what happens!

Yup. They’re asset-strippers. They borrow big money with junk bonds, buy a good company, sell off the assets, and move on, leaving the poor company with the debt they incurred. That’s a Republican.

jeff–I think you’re outnumbered on this one.

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jeff–I think you’re outnumbered on this one.

maybe a yello-dog democrat.

Obviously Oregon.

“(COICA) would have permitted a blanket takedown of any domain alleged to be assisting activities that violate copyright law, based upon the judgment of state attorneys general.”

Imagine one state attorney general having such power. How is it that the federal government would offer a state official that discretion? We have courts, and they rigorously stand in favor of copyright protections because it is part of our Constitution, and federal enforcement authority is vested in the Commerce clause.

As written it is bad law, and I say that as someone who creates content and I want my rights protected.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME_NpnH7jDc

Have you noticed the PR tide turning against Israel? All their lies and duplicity, their program of ethnic cleansing described by them as “self-defense”? Heh. Well, “The Internet Killed Israeli PR.” Still, watch them try to get a law through Congress when the Republicans take the house, one that allows the “government” to shut down an entire site they deem worthy of censorship. They tried and failed yesterday but they’re not through. Use it while you got it – it’s the Internet, Baby!

This matter has gotten this far because of AIPAC donations to the BOUGHT US Congress and Isreali an Jewish financial power in the US. The Internet must remain “free” as a symbol of the last true vestiges of Democracy and Constitutional freedom & Liberty in this sorry nation.

Thank God for the Senator! You can be sure the Zionists or the Wealthiest Old White Male
1%ERS will see to it he gets some ‘suspicious mail’ over he Holidays & NOT from Santa!

It’s been a bad year for the Beavers–not much left to spoil. But ya’ gotta support your Alma-mater.

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This bill is a trojan horse. It addresses the problem of copyright infringement and Internet piracy in such a way that “infractions” by individual sites are punishable by a domain banning. The potential for misuse is enormous.

Your uninformed, lowbrow “you think everyone owes you” and “you want something for nothing” arguments play right into the hands of the forces in our society who want to stifle the free exchange of ideas and control the Internet. The idea that this bill is needed to stop Internet piracy makes about as much sense as the idea that martial law is needed to adequately control crime.

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Nah, they’ll toss us a bone or two.. they’ll give us SOME kind of Internet. We’ll be able to go to foxnews.com, watch sports highlights (for a fee) and maybe play WoW or second life or some kind of MMORPG crap that will keep us sufficiently entertained and distracted while they continue to steal our democracy right out from under us. If they stop keeping the masses entertained, THAT is when all hell will break loose.

Yes, absolutely the multinational corporations need all the big government protection they can get. What a loyal sheeple!

He is my Senator and one of the handful who has not been apparently bought or blackmailed.

Me too!

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If we lose Net Neutrality, the Republicans wont have Access to Child Pornography, or using the Internet to “Hook Up” with Young Men/Boys for Ass Sex.
It would be their “Worst Nightmare” !!!!!!!

um… you think so? Remember 94% of American’s admit to illegally downloading music / movies. Obviously, the 94% of the people post on Raw Story. I know I am up against the wall… but i speak first hand watching dozens of record labels close and tens of thousands of people losing their jobs.. .all because people think they deserve to steal. The ‘ME’ generation…

Thank you Mr. Wyden. I’m glad I voted for you now.

ya,right jeff…..i agree with dan-the bill IS a trojan horse-and its potential for misuse IS enormous……..it can be compared to the effort to get rid of the 14th amendment-they “say” to deal with anchor babies-when it’s to get rid of the governments requirement to pay it’s bills-so they then can close down social security.(SS is one of the gov. biggest CREDITORS-and the gov. OWES SS 1/3 of the nat. debt-didn’t REALLY think it was for anchor babies,did you?)same with this bill-hand them this one-and it’s like handing cheney a shotgun,and saying”i know you can be responsible with that…”……right.

It is pure STUPID to think, that WEB is NOT CENSURED. WE MUSLIMS have seen responses from government for e mails and other statements from their computers.

what is obvious about the 94%? you lack logic, son. I don’t download any music I don’t pay for. smoke a joint, kick back, and kick you paranoia. you’re out-voted–show me the money.

this is insane why he kill the internet

http://techdraginfo.blogspot.com/

19 senators voted against all of us. I smell a disconnect. the Senate is disconnected and dysfunctional, with the exception of Ron Wyden, and maybe others. We are in the majority–let’s act like it.

Jeff you totally missed the point … it’s not about protecting copyright, it’s about giving AGs the arbitrary power to shut down a web domain because he/she deems it as infringing on a copyright … giving arbitrary power to any gov’t entity only invites abuse and corruption … current copyright laws need only be extended to the ‘net … you can’t just shut down something due to suspicion, you must prove the assertion first
BTW … most people here (save one?) ARE smarter than those 19 who voted for the measure

Thanks Rubiconski–you really stirred up a hornets nest. Amazing what facts will do in a debate.

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It seems as though the government is trying to take away what is probably the last free place to get and share information without the government interfering. If they take this from us what choice do we have as Americans but to exercise our birthright and violently remove the tyrants that are trying to take our liberty?

“…what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.” -Thomas Jefferson

And repetition. And repetition. And repetition. And repetition. And repetition.

The problem with your logic: the number of items downloaded for free is NOT equal, not even CLOSE to equal, to the number of additional items that would have been purchased for if they weren’t obtainable for free. Unlike the theft of physical property, a copied item is not an item lost from inventory, and does not always represent a purchase that would have been made.

Also, to help you see that this isn’t so black and white, I know of plenty artists who actually have a somewhat symbiotic relationship with their own bootleggers; they’ve asked their fans to send in copies of concerts that have been taped, for example, and then used those bootlegged works in their official releases. To whatever extent IP infringement “hurts” the bottom line of a company in the short run, it can benefit the overall culture of society by preserving work that a company might choose to lock away and destroy.

Jeff’s opinion here is a concise example of someone committed to their point of view and completely uninterested in understanding / debating / savouring the nuances of the thing they are debating.

It is often easier to revert to the same tactic of dismissing opposing opinions as those of – in this case – simple-minded, impulsive free-loaders.

My comments are an excellent example of meta-commentary spent feeding trolls.

I’ve seen this vomitatious crap in congress before. Some corporation or corporate group makes donations to a key legislator, or a whole committee of them, then they put it up, never planning to see it enacted into law. Good on Wyden for blocking it. Legislation like this is a massive threat to democracy.

finally a politician who cares about the rights of its citizens

wow…it’s “open minded” people like you who are causing all the problems. Are you serious?
Your bigotry needs to be censored.

Thank you Wyden. Free speech is ours we must fight to keep it free for our children. In every faucet that it exist we must be diligent to keep it free. Wyden, you tha man today! Good for you for doing the right thing.

He and Ron Paul who has introduced a new bill the Travelers Dignity act against the TSA. These two actually care about the “little people.”

Jeff’s reliance here on a very questionable figure of 94% seem to indicate a preference for alarmist statistics emanating from the recording industry itself. His reference to personal involvement in the industry seem to reflect a genuine concern for the welfare of the music industry and the people who work within it which is to be partly commended.

Armed with talking points and statistics from the recording industry it is easy to see why a person in his position would channel their energy into defending a bill such as this and go on the offensive against anyone who would question the motives and value of such a bill.

However it must be remembered that for decades the middle men (record labels) between music producers (the artists) and music consumers (public at large) were free to fleece both parties in the transaction. The environment of greed and excess that the record labels inhabited made then completely incapable of adapting to new models when faced with the threat of the internet and cheap data exchange. Who would cannabailse CD sales (with their exorbitant sticker prices) in the hope that providing a cheap, reliable system of mp3 transfer / streaming would ensure the next generation of music-lovers would become socialised into continuing to receive music via labels rather than through illegal channels. To a large degree the explosion of online piracy was due to record labels being completely unable to rise to the challenge of providing a legal, online distribution service.

The record labels are the original ‘ME” generation, having perfected the art of ripping off artists long before the consumers ever got a chance. Now that their position as thief-in-chief has been challenged by internet-enabled teen piracy, they are re-imagining themselves as the honest defenders of poor, struggling musicians across the world. It’s an outrageous narrative to push, but in a world where the rivers of gold are drying up record labels are happy to try, say and do anything.

The problem for those of us who care about society at large is that the record labels, in their desperate attempts to keep their industry stitched up, propose more and more extreme remedies which impact on all manner of freedoms far beyond their problem domain. This bill is one of them. Another is the unworkable DRM systems which cripple whole generations of electronic goods and send consumers into the arms of piracy (as only honest consumers have to deal with all of the glitches, failures, and restrictions of DRM!).

Piracy is certainly not to be encouraged, but the death of the music industry as it currently is was triggered primarily by the actions (and inactions) of the industry itself, and will ultimately be a good thing for musicians, consumers, and society as a whole (as long as the last dying thrashes of the music middlemen don’t take out chunks of our new-found online freedoms).

Syed, this bill is even worse than that. It would allow the attorney general of a state to block access to any website that was determined to be an infringement on some person’s or some corporation’s intellectual property rights.

The major problem with this is that it gives way too much power to government and the potential for misuse and overreaching of power is too enticing.

Muslims and other groups are being watched and censored because the NSA has carte blanche to view our activity, read our emails and posts, all in the name of protecting us. But, in order to be fair, we are all, ALL, being watched.

Very soon, to have ideas that differ from the majority’s will be a symptom of mental illness. And this in the land upon which was established a democratic republic so that liberty for all would thrive and the rights and views of minorities would not only be protected, but respected too.

We have fallen a long way from that noble idea, and criminals in and above our government have made Muslims the reason we are in this sad state.

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94% of Americans get their music illegally? Sony would have been out of b usiness a long time ago were that true. 94%? Nope

Havent we learned our lesson about Obama yet? Look at who sponsors the bill and who supports the bill. If its the administration, we know by default that there are enablers in the bill that will allow more drastic measures by the administration. In essence Obama will be able to shut down the internet on the most flimsy pretext. Its your duty to rise against tyranny in any form and this is tyranny.

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LOL. As soon as any censorship law passes – and it WILL – because the US is rapidly becoming a right wing haven – censored items will simply find a less obvious way of being disseminated. If the GOP/Teatards want to create a black market for censored items, so be it. Because that’s what they’re planning with any sort of censorship law.

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Youre obviously one of those that hasnt learned a lesson from the election. The Constitution will win not the socialist troglodytes…

I need to send this guy money and never forget his name.

Why even continue living if you are not willing to fight for the things that make life worth living? You sound like a defeatist trying to sound smart because you are defeated.

Well it’s about time.

My reply “You are absolutely correct. I was trying to show how the argument that people stealing music online is a bogus claim.” was in regards to the last bit “In my view, the scheme has always been about control of the Internet, using the “piracy” and “intellectual property” arguments to justify tighter controls.”. But I read the whole comment not just the first line or two.

You are right now that file sharing is so prevalent, the odds of someone pirating via CD be it from a friend or other source is less likely. You are wrong in your statistics though. From the article you pulled ninety four percent wasn’t how many are doing it right now. It is the percentage of Americans that HAVE done it.

Besides the bill in question isn’t about people stealing music, or movies. It is about tighter governmental restrictions on communications. The reason this was brought up in the first place is because the Corporations that really run this country want to clamp down on your First Amendment rights of free speech. But I realize you don’t see that. You want to live in a society where they have restrictions on every aspect of your life, and you fell that our society is sickening, MOVE TO CHINA!!!!

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finally….something good to say about oregon. thanks wyden.

I can’t help but think the internet is under attack. I believe the legislation was passed a few years back to allow consumers to pay for cable channels ala carte. Packed with this law, internet providers could charge for internet packages. You can only go to the sites in the package. The problem—how do you legislate it? A passage of this law would set the stage for this.

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You dick Watching something on the internet that has already been seen is not stealing.If i came to your house i would crap on your lawn.

Excellent news. Thank you Senator Ron Wyden!!!

Wyden is Jewish. Ain’t reality a bitch?

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Here’s more complete information about this bill, S. 3804 -

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9589905&mesg_id=9590331

or

http://tinyurl.com/258ckzs

A true American that is doing the right thing, leaving politics out of his decision.

Good news but it will not stop scum like Leahy and Rockefeller from trying to shut down free speech. They are a disgrace to what the founders wanted. They would have been executed back then for treason.

Hey stupid it is your Marxist friends like Obama that passed the Deathcare bill and are behind this bill and the net neutrality fiasco among other things. It is us Tea Party people that are working to stop this. Man you are a fool.

Temple U !!! North Philly doing its part to protect the internet, and that feels great. Take ‘em down, Professor Post!

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No rest for those who love freedom! Good job fighting off both the nannies and the goons!

Your ad hominem attack on a stranger says all anyone needs to know about your own personal character.

Yep. Just watch the cops on the I-5 corridor!

What are you doing on Raw Story? Don’t you have some website designed for non-informed folk? It was a minor midterm election and the Tea Party caused the GOP to fail to win the Senate. Good going, and thank you!

It may be stopped this time but the effort to silence the opposition in America against the establishments agenda will continue!!! This isn’t about protecting anyone’s property, it is about controlling the flow of information, it’s their new elaborate scheme to impose their will upon the people!!! Someday when they finally circumvent all Constitutional law, then they will impose all the rules, they will be the new indisputable Rulers, it is the goal of their agenda to own America and all it’s inhabitants!!! Without power over other humans there is no power. Power must have a base!!!

Thank you Senator Ron Wyden. You could go down as one of the biggest heroes of this decade. I don’t know what your political past was, but anything you could have possibly done wrong like most politicians is just made up for… and then some.

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Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. ~~Thomas Jefferson 1801~~

Nice ad hominem attack, wial.

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Thanks, Senator ,for being a stand-up guy

Nice to see this blatant attempt to squelch free speech and shut down sites that don’t agree with the boy who would be king is being stopped by a member of his own party. Miracles do happen.

Yeah and a democRat too.

Your stupidity is showing. It was a defeat of epic consequences, but keep on smoking your dope and drinking kool-aid and you’ll feel better.

I think you mean Bwany Fwank and his little buddies – all democRats.

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Three cheers for my progeny then. And three more for yours.

Thank you Senator Wyden !

I just read where Sen Feinstein, CA, voted in favor of government censorship, along with a few other democrats…. shameful that they would support government censorship. This is another reason to NOT vote for Feinstein in 2012!

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Moron, it is the conservatives who oppose this socialist legislation and are the ones who believe in free speech. Quite unlike you libaturds.

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You mean like Obumbler says: “It’s Bush’s fault!”

Thanks for the load of bullshit. You forgot to mention the tripling of the debt in less than two years by Obumbler and company.

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OOooo, love the avatar.

democrats are Nazis

Jim, your attempt at humor isn’t working. Barney Frank is an open homosexual and currently in a committed relationship. He, and those like him, don’t bother me in the least. It is the Republicans that yell a loud game of homophobia in public while practicing what turns them on in bathroom stalls.

WOW, so we can thank Morgan for freeways?

Actually, getting serious, good point. Berners-Lee is one of several people that collectively gave us the internet. And that includes Al Gore. And I don’t think any of them ever had the slightest idea that this is what would happen.

While true, none of those other services would exist without the web. Even today, it is the web that ties them all together.

And, I hope, Al Franken.

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“A prior version of this report cited Sir Tim Berners-Lee as “the creator of the Internet.” He is in actuality the creator of technologies central to the world wide web, namely hyper-text markup language (HTML).”

And the HTTP protocol.

O wise Oracle. Blessed are we who are graced by your divine teachings. Let us retreat and meditate on your latest pearl of wisdom.

It would have been, or more to the point, it would have had apocalyptic consequences had the GOP regained power. The problem with them is they have no conception of the real dangers facing us because they’re collectively science-denying. The world will literally be destroyed if the right isn’t soundly and permanently defeated as soon as possible. That has happened in other countries already that have a richer historical vocabulary than this one. Places where people remember what it’s like to have your cities burned, your country invaded. America is a nation of moral infants because they don’t know the horror of that simple truth. I’m not saying one should wish for such lessons, but at least since dems represent the nation of immigrants rather than the old blind nativists, they at least have some benefit of the miracles of the European enlightenment and the unmistakable lessons of the two world wars.

Anyway, kool-aid is for unenlightened religious folk, like republicans.

I greatly admire Senator Franken but he certainly has some ‘splainin’ to do.

There better be.

I can’t believe Schumer voted for this. I’m shocked. Thank you Wyden. Man this Country is really headed into Oblivion. So sad.

Authoritarians always “miss the point”. This is why they are so useful.

Awesome avatar. Where did you find that cool Nazi photo?

How so, father_moray. Explain with valid source material that is not vetted by Fox news
or Freedom Works. of course, those two don’t vet anything, do they? They just make
shit up and non-thinkers just believe it.

Authoritarians don’t do nuance.
It is either black or white, up or down, good or evil, if you’re not with us, you’re with the terrorists.

Record labels. The poor, poor things. After all the selfless kindnesses they have extended to artists over the years.

God bless this man. Now if we could only get rid of Obama and his clowns, this country could be the great nation it was when Regan was in office.

If the fat lady isn’t muzzled.

“Actual books and magazines” made from hacked down forest habitats, printed with ink composed of solvents, pigments, dyes, resins, lubricants, solubilizers, surfactants, particulate matter, fluorescers, and other materials, and delivered in diesel-belching trucks to a magazine stand near you. I love progress.

Oh right, that too that too.

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I see this as a way to shut down most any site the powerful disagree with. All that is needed is to find some piece of infringing material on the site and you can legally kill it. Don’t like Raw Story? Post some copyrighted text here in the comments section, discover that copyrighted material, then pull the plug. Raw Story – or what ever – is killed. Very neat.

Most blogs would be at risk under this law.

Even if protecting copyrighted materials was the honest intent of this bill (I’m assuming Schumer and Leahy didn’t think this though very well), it won’t be long before some one with less noble intentions re-purposes the law to do serious evil.

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You know who destroyed an entire industry? The entire industry. Go to a record store and look at all the shit they have in inventory that no one will *ever* buy. At the very least, the record stores could have been burning CDs onsite at retail outlets and laser-printing the cover art on the spot under license instead of stocking all that useless junk…10 YEARS AGO.
OR, they had the option of getting ahead of the downloading curve by investing in technology and developiong , you know, a plan, but they just bided their time and invested in lobbyists instead, beating the same old dead horse into the ground as their absurd and archaic business model of the 70s and continued to fail, hoping that the government would bail them out, which is exactly what this legislation is about. A bailout for the world’s laziest, crookedest, most backwards, behind-the-times industry who are whining about being fleeced after robbing artists for generations.

Boy!! He REALLY likes his job!

He is a “believer”. Believers are completely immune to facts and highly receptive to propaganda. Its how Glenn beck got fabulously rich.

Now, all he has to do is get elitist morons like Sen. Jay Rockefeller of W. Virginia to see the light.

Seriously though, didja?

I’m sure you don’t mean that the great unwashed who can no longer afford to pay the high price for the privilege of connecting to the internet in order to sit there for 2 hours to download their preferred web sites should just sit in their dark little caves and gaze at their navels.

I agree we shouldn’t cut down the trees just to print my books, but instead let’s make the paper from hemp! :) But before we get to that point, let’s break up the monopolies, and indict a few crooks.

“socialist legislation” What a fucking moron.
All together now, kids: “Jim1937 IS A FUCKING MORON”

Make sure your are accounting for the two off the books wars disgraced former “President” George W. Bungle started for no legitimate reason. And don’t forget the interest owed to those fantastic allies, China and India and Saudi Arabia.
There is the source of your “debt”, asswipe.

Thats a big circle

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“Bipartisanship”=reaching across the aisle to steal your wallet

Next time, post also their email so we start right away.

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Censoring internet is like restricting from swimming in ocean or restricting from breathing certain type of gas. It’ impossible to implement.

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Politicians are Nazis

What is that language in the First Amendment regarding speech again?..,..Congress shall make no law

7 people liked this?

I guess Rawstory is becoming increasingly popular in Jim Bob’s trucker internet cafe.

19 hijackers. 19 Manchurian Senators. Coincidence? I think not.

A complete lack of an argument and a few cute attempts at insult is an indication of the mental disorder called liberalism. There is a carefree liberal economy called `Europe` that would welcome a few more self-righteous jack-offs…. why do you hate the USA so much that you’re trying to drag it down the drain? Your lofty ideals have failed everywhere they’ve been implemented over the last 50 years.

So now’s a good a time as any to have another go at a Euro-styled command and control government bureaucracy?! It doesn’t matter how many plastic paddies, secular Jews or ILGWU wobblies laud leftism on this thread it’s been a poor second to the American experiment for the last century.

How much tax do you pay per year and how much would you be willing to pay?! The Bill Ayers wing of the Democrat Party may have imbibed too many drugs in the faculty lounges of the land to be able to think clearly about this but who’s going to pay for it? You might be a roundly unproductive member of society who thinks you’re entitled to take from “the man” but there’s a limit to how much you can stick to the people who are actually paying in.

Perhaps to solve our economic woes we start deporting the lazy bastards who don’t work and yet vote Democrat every election for the handouts. I’d rather have 12 million more hispanics in the nation who know the meaning of the word WORK and can appreciate God and family than the arrogant, godless progressives who seem focused on dragging us back into the 2nd World. The nation would be on a much stronger footing if voting rights were contingent on a tax return.

The country would go bankrupt (just like Ireland). What a legacy to pass onto the next generation. Neither of you deserve freedom.

And you’re spewing Arianna Huffington’s talking points. Next.

I’ve been a Wyden supporter for as long as he’s been in politics; this is one of many reasons why.

The last time a country elected a softly-spoken Marx loving lawyer there were fields of skulls. I’m of course referring to Pol Pot in Cambodia. The good thing about left-wing elitists is that they’d happily inflict servitude on you as they would on me. Enjoy your future, slave!

Where did Beck plagiarize `Mein Kampf`?!

Awesome, thanks Justin. A suitable response imo, to an obvious industry troll. What I don’t understand is, if technology can put certain people IN business, why can’t it take them out? It’s as if the buggy whip makers were extorting on a mass level, and when cars came along, they complained about job losses…

When are you going to get the message?! The country may not all love conservative extremists but they aren’t rushing to the side of the mentally defective left. The blue bits are the plantations of the mind… where do you live HP?!

After 2 years of the illegal immigrant in chief, Bush is starting to look like an elder statesman, Skippy.

If you were at the wheel of a vehicle and you were in a ditch would you take your foot off the gas or would you keep revving the engine and hang your head out of the window and start screaming about the neocons?!

It’s noteworthy that the Democrat-run states and Democrat-run cities are slums regardless who is in power. Say what you will about trickle down economics you voted for the candidate who’s delivering trickle up poverty.

I weep for the poor brainwashed citizens who live on the Democrat plantation.

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You obviously don’t know what the words “socialist legislation” actually means. In Europe you could embrace your true self.

http://travel.state.gov/passport/renew/renew_833.html

Put your food stamps where your mouth is big boy

Do yourself a favor

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Praise Zeus!!!

As conservative as NH is, (and we Democrats got trounched here this election period although we kept our good Democrat governor Lynch,) NO Congress person is on that list.

You are talking about the 40% of the Senate that represents about 16% of the US population. Thom Hartmann had a great idea: New York and California should divide into two states each, North California, South New York, &c. That way they’d have 4 senators each, and dilute some of this over-leveraged Senate power of the almost-empty, all-GOP states.

“Father Moray” is eel. Eels do not talk back.

tripling of the debt in less than 2 years? Aaaa haaaa haaaa haaaa…
If I found out the person or group that told me that bull, I would never listen to them, probably ever again. But then again, I’m not a reich-wing authoritarian follower…

Ahh, no. By literally any measure, the socialist democracies are running circles around the US, especially for the middle class. Although we have 1 thing they don’t: a small .05% with enormous wealth who are continuing to strip the commons and the middle class for everything they can get. As FDR put it: “feathering their own nests at the expense of everyone else” They also have money, power, and defenders of their viewpoints, such as ‘government is the enemy’. No, anything that takes power from the people is the enemy. There are only 2 things between tyranny and the people: trial lawyers and government. No wonder the reich-wing hates them both.

Q- How many reich-wing economists does it take to change a light bulb?
A – None. They just sit in the dark forever, waiting for the ‘invisible hand’

Anyone who thinks Obomber is a marxist is a total fool, and I’m sorry to put it that way Jethro, but you need to educate yourself. You will find that there has been little difference between Obomber and the reich-wingers except on a few trimmings at the edges. Economic policy, etc.. it’s all the same. That’s why people are saying there is no diff between right and left. True today in many ways.

;) yeah, you can’t be sure about those ratings…

Reagan was the start of a 30-year downturn led by the reich-wing. He was one of the worse presidents, ever.

Tenacious little sods, aren’t we all? :P
Please read before you take offense.

Firstly, very well done to the Senator, Mr Wyden.

I see that this really is beginning to be a bit of pain to the ‘elite’, lol.

If any of you are in the mood (Jeff Tardiff especially… Seeing as you consider yourself somewhat of a highly intellectual individual), I suggest you take a look and read the following links. If you’re further in the mood, do a little research on the ‘Digital Economy Bill’. Which in a very short space of time, became the ‘Digital Economy Act’.

http://www.facebook.com/againstthedigitaleconomyact?ref=sgm

http://www.zeropaid.com/news/91281/uk-isps-win-judicial-review-of-digital-economy-act

http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=SPEECH/10/619&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en

But of course, let’s not forget that all of these things being attempted are purely so that the ‘industry’ can protect the rights and liberties of its artists *Ahem*
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/03/26/sony-accuses-beyonce.html

Surely they give the artists the respect they deserve. They didn’t, in any way, use the relatively new distribution platform of the internet to make the music worth far more to the corporations, than it did to the creators of the content.
You know, updated their contracts immediately and in a fair way towards the artists; to encompass a fair share in the sales of ‘non-tangible’ electronic media. Which, let’s face it, has a massively reduced production cost compared to CD’s and such.

But then, that is all in my opinion, isn’t it?
What could I possibly know.

Personally, I think these types of bills are a simple case of ‘scratch and sniff’.
Scratch away the surface and you’ll get a distinctive pungent smell.

Power to the people!
;)

That’s the problem with battered wives, and authoritarian followers like you. They’re always loyal. Loving America means trying to change it these days.

Ohh wouldn’t that be great to see the reich-wingers in a so cal state plead for water…

The Same Reagun who appointed Greenspan and started the entire deregulatory meltdown and this current mess we are still in…Reagun was a face on a corrupt crowd of thieves and the recent admission of one of his economic heads says it all.
Go here to watch a series on the Meltdown…
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/go/financial-crisis/
Heres the article you really need to read….
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/reagan-insider-gop-destroyed-us-economy-2010-08-10?pagenumber=1#
Here are the facts on Obamas campaign promises….
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/
And just to be sure your fact checking everything on Faux Noise..go here….
http://www.FactCheck.org

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He lives it. Hitler (in typical reich-wing doublespeak) claimed the Jews were Marxist usurpers and also claimed they were greedy bankers, stealing from the people.

Now, who does that sound like? If you’re a fan a beck’s, I’m sure you can ‘connect the dots’… lol

But sir…Nazis were Christians..how can this be…Hitler said he was the messiah and would rid the earth of the Dirty Jew…was a Christian Wrong…how can we continue to follow any Christian who comes from the same teachings as Hitler…LOL

Huh? See the comment above from Thailand. Been to China?

No just the next 2 months…a new Congress comes back then and this starts all over again…you sheeple need to pay better attention.

Rockefeller was one of the names of the founders of the FED along with Rothchild, Getty, couple others…see what Those assclowns did to us all…and are still doing…we will soon be in a class war…in our lifetimes.

Tenacious little sods, aren’t we all? :P
Please read before you take offense.

Firstly, very well done to the Senator, Mr Wyden.

I see that this really is beginning to be a bit of pain to the ‘elite’, lol.

If any of you are in the mood (Jeff Tardiff especially… Seeing as you consider yourself somewhat of a highly intellectual individual), I suggest you take a look and read the following links. If you’re further in the mood, do a little research on the ‘Digital Economy Bill’. Which in a very short space of time, became the ‘Digital Economy Act’.

http://www.facebook.com/againstthedigitaleconomyact?ref=sgm

http://www.zeropaid.com/news/91281/uk-isps-win-judicial-review-of-digital-economy-act

http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=SPEECH/10/619&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en

But of course, let’s not forget that all of these things being attempted are purely so that the ‘industry’ can protect the rights and liberties of its artists *Ahem*
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/03/26/sony-accuses-beyonce.html

Surely they give the artists the respect they deserve. They didn’t, in any way, use the relatively new distribution platform of the internet to make the music worth far more to the corporations, than it did to the creators of the content.
You know, updated their contracts immediately and in a fair way towards the artists; to encompass a fair share in the sales of ‘non-tangible’ electronic media. Which, let’s face it, has a massively reduced production cost compared to CD’s and such.

But then, that is all in my opinion, isn’t it?
What could I possibly know.

Personally, I think these types of bills are a simple case of ‘scratch and sniff’.
Scratch away the surface and you’ll get a distinctive pungent smell.

Power to the people!
;)

Isn’t the Senator who put a temp hold on this bill Jewish…

Best thing about Ron aul is his suort for the FairTax,org and the removal of the FED

All well and good and I’m glad the dems finally got something right. Burt somehow I’m just left with this angst that says,’How come ALL OF A SUDDEN???’ Leahy saying labor ,dems and GOP working together????Yeah, I’ll belive that when I see it. He’s the biggesy No’er in the dem party.

Thank you Sen. Wyden. As one of your constituents I greatly appreciate your voting record, especially on matters concerning the internet.

Attaboy, Ron– don’t back down! This rocks! Good on you!

Glad somebody is fighting for us!

Why do we elect people who’ve never used the internet to oversee how it’s run? I nominate /b/ to be the official army of the nation of Internet.

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My sincere thanks, Senator Wyden. I’ll share your name on Twitter.

ID LOVE TO SEE THE LIST OF WHO VOTED FOR THIS SO WE CAN GET RID OF THEM IN THE NEXT ELECTION..ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN GET IT?
ID LOVE ALL OF US TO GET THIS LIST, AND PASS IT OUT AND GET IT STARTED TO GET THEM OUT OF OFFICE!

Finally one Democrat making the right moves !

Hey Gina this is the list you requested.
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101118/10291211924/the-19-senators-who-voted-to-censor-the-internet.shtml

I am going to be writing a blog about this.

Why can’t this be done with S-510?

I guess the Senator has been reading up on Chinese history and realized that even if you’re a eunech you dan’t have to be craven.

“I began to sense faintly that secrecy is the keystone of all tyranny. Not force, but secrecy . . . censorship. When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, “This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know,” the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives.” –

Robert A. Heinlein, Revolt in 2100 (1954)

A fool is as a fool speaks….No need to say more

It seems hard to argue against the creator of the Internet, Sir Tim Bemers-Lee, doncha’ think?

Senator Wyden, thank you, so much!

The internet has to stay netral, in every way.

Funny, I did not see Alex Jones’s Prison Planet or Info Wars on COICA’s list of targeted websites. They must not have sold out just yet to the globalists. Anyway Ron Wyden 2012!!

When an Elected Politician Honors their Oath of Office like this – “THE PUBLIC OF THE WORLD”, needs to take positive action.

Here is what I did:
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?saved&&note_id=461782116230

In case you missed it: Oregon Senator Wyden effectively kills Internet censorship bill

How nasty, how very nasty. This comes from a LIBERAL! This kind of nastiness has no place in among any attitudes I have ever associated with liberalism.

This is exemplary of ignorance and hatred. It is neither admirable nor productive and certainly is not something I would want or expect my children to be.

Check out the varied definitions of liberalism – where do your attitudes fit Michelle?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_Liberalism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_liberalism

You don’t have to be Christian or religious in any way to know that to “do unto others as you would have them do unto you” is the best way to live peacefully and well in society.

Feingold,Leahy,Franken,Durben…WTF?

The red states are the ball and chain of America. In every measure: education, economy, divorce, teen pregnancy. Wake up…

“proponents of the bill will be forced to reintroduce the measure and will not be able to proceed until the next Congress convenes.

Even then, its passage is not certain.”

Sounds like a plan to me!

Hitler insisted on Christian parochial schools – he considered it far superior to ‘secular’ education…

This is the very best thing about the Democrats. Doing what you _know_ is right, rather than what you _feel_ is right. Dogs do the latter. We’d like to do the former. Enviously, I watch and cheer from Canada, such honourable men are few and far between here, certainly in thin supply upon the stony ground of our chitinous government.

Patrick J. Leahy — Vermont Herb Kohl — Wisconsin

…Jeff Sessions — Alabama
…Dianne Feinstein — California
Orrin G. Hatch — Utah
Russ Feingold — Wisconsin

Chuck Grassley — Iowa
Arlen Specter — Pennsylvania

Jon Kyl — Arizona
Chuck Schumer — New York
Lindsey Graham — South Carolina
Dick Durbin — Illinois

John Cornyn — Texas
Benjamin L. Cardin — Maryland

Tom Coburn — Oklahoma
Sheldon Whitehouse — Rhode Island

Amy Klobuchar — Minnesota
Al Franken — Minnesota

Chris Coons — Delaware

Thank you Wyden. Well done.

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Knock yourselves out. Do let me know when they tables have been turned though. I’d love to see that.

Or kidnapped, shackled, hooded, shoved into a plane, flown half way around the world & waterboarded.

Incredibly, it’s his official DHS portrait photo (with a little red-eye correction, of course). I really try not to judge people by their looks, but when someone’s appearance is so strikingly sinister and evil-looking, and they are also the head of one of the most powerful propaganda machines in the world, even Mother Theresa would watch her back around him. He just seems to ooze malevolence.

This is an excellent showing of intellect by Senator Wyden. The entire debacle of Internet censorship is just one more move by corporations to try and get free speech and freedom of expression censored by the U.S. Government. It is interesting that the nation that once touted itself on the freedoms of its citizens is now the one that is working to take away those very same freedoms. Damn where did we go wrong in regards to the American dream?

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Disconnecting is a good thing because it means that we will take the cable company down. Somehow, we’ll get over the withdrawal symptoms and start talking to our neighbor again. Not a bad thing. Neither is reading books and magazines. Newspapers? Well, not so much. We won’t back to letters because we’ll still have phones. Post office couldn’t care less. The “contractor” mega corporation that have bankrupt the post office…well, not so much! But no loss there as with the cable company. So, effectively that will be two bastards that we kill with one stone. Woo hoo! So, keep thinking. Maybe we can figure out more ways to kill these bastards.

Seriously, man! I believe I’m gonna write each of them and call them on this. Durbin is my senator!

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Thanks Ron. You have had my vote since your first term. I consider them well placed.

Not the only reason for that fine plan, just remember, the ENTIRE Judicial Committee voted unanimously for this bill that would squelch free speech. That includes Republicans Sessions, Hatch, Grassley, Kyl, Graham, Cornyn and Coburn, along with substantially more progressive Dems such as Feingold, Whitehouse and Franken hand-in-hand with moderate to corporate Dems Schumer, Kohl, Specter, Durbin, Cardin and Klobuchar!

Thanks Senator Wyden!! Too bad I’ve that damn DINO Feinstein, the coward’s coward. If there isn’t a way her husband can’t make a buck at it, she’ll never vote for it/stand up for it/ fight for it.
Hey Diane ever hear of the 1st Amendment thingy?????

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what is intellectual property?
I’ll tell you what it is. its this post.
in order for something to be copyrighted, it must be “original and unique”.

intellectual property, is a song, a painting, a piece of software, or an op-ed.

indeed, the very concept of “file sharing” .. is “intellectual property”.

it makes no sense, to try and prevent the propogation of intellectual property, in order to save another type of intellectual property. thats not just anti-free-market. that’s anti-evolution.

Richard Nixon.

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I am a conservative Oregonian, and did not vote for Senator Wyden, but I am also glad he is helping to turn away from granting authority to censor the internet. I t would most certainly lead to subjective abuse. I like to read articles from all kinds of sources, and I want to preserve that.

By the way, I got a neat family photo with Senator Wyden at a local townhall he conducted lasy summer. :)

To open minded liberals: Please resist the media pull that mischaracterizes conservative positions and instead seek out their sources yourself. I believe that Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert create inaccurate straw men of conservatives and easily knock them down. As for me, LI like to occasionally read from the Huffington Post or NPR or Alternet. You might all be ssurprised to know that we probably have more in common and agreements than we have disputes over.

I mean we are all for individual liberty, against tyranny, but I fear governmental tyranny while liberals often fear corporate tyranny. We both should be leery of elite tyranny.

Thanks.

I am a conservative Oregonian, and did not vote for Senator Wyden, but I am also glad he is helping to turn away from granting authority to censor the internet. I t would most certainly lead to subjective abuse. I like to read articles from all kinds of sources, and I want to preserve that.

By the way, I got a neat family photo with Senator Wyden at a local townhall he conducted lasy summer. :)

To open minded liberals: Please resist the media pull that mischaracterizes conservative positions and instead seek out their sources yourself. I believe that Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert create inaccurate straw men of conservatives and easily knock them down. As for me, LI like to occasionally read from the Huffington Post or NPR or Alternet. You might all be ssurprised to know that we probably have more in common and agreements than we have disputes over.

I mean we are all for individual liberty, against tyranny, but I fear governmental tyranny while liberals often fear corporate tyranny. We both should be leery of elite tyranny.

Thanks.

Dear Frog_in_the_soup
Love the name and liked the post.

Thanks for the advise, I also read conservative sources. That said, since you also rely on NPR, can I count on you in helping us stop those pretending to be conservatives from killing NPR.

thanks for pointing this out.
I typically vote democratic, but voted for several republicans this term.

you’re right, neither of us does well when we allow (and embrace) stereotypes of our ideologies.

Wyden’s a great senator man. he does well for our state

True.

I read over the draft bill. My concern is the amount of evidence the AG needs to determine there is piracy. Yes, it may be challenged in court, but that is expensive and time consuming.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:s3804rs.txt.pdf

I might be good looking but that doesn’t mean I’m a lawyer so I could be missing something. The bill had been heavily edited so the concerns from others may have been addressed.

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hmmm………… a dem who is not lock-step with the pelosi/reid/obama machine.
glad to hear it

we need more people on the hill, that work for the people, not the cia

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He’s still an asshole. Watch and see…

Thats a little strange as the dems are not in favor of the bill to start with.

Well, who knew Porky Pig had it in him?

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“but I fear governmental tyranny while liberals often fear corporate tyranny”

An important distinction. As a Progressive, I find myself defending Ron Paul quite a bit. The stereotypes that apply to McConnell, Cantor, Boehner, and especially people like DeMint, Kyl, and over-the-tops like Palin, don’t necessarily apply to all who take the position and the name Conservative.

Even Barry Goldwater would be ashamed of much of the shameless power-grabbing going on in the GOP today, even, I’d like to think, the Citizens United ruling.

Tell me, frog_in_the_soup (by the way, have you visited Sibel Edmonds’ site Boiling Frogs? Very possibly the best set of podcasts on the web.), do you hold with the 1886 pseudo-ruling in the case of Santa Clara County v Southern Pacific Railroad, in the transcript of which was included ultra vires remarks to the effect that corporations are “persons”, and has been the precedent for dozens of outrageous rulings, including Citizens United, which Sotomayor indirectly referred to in her maiden flight, quoted in the WSJ as saying “Judges ‘created corporations as persons, gave birth to corporations as persons,’ she said. ‘There could be an argument made that that was the court’s error to start with…[imbuing] a creature of state law with human characteristics.’ ” ?

Much more harmful was Nixon’s mentor and protector, Allen Dulles. He and his brother would have been in the dock at Nuremberg if the papers from the files of banker Karl Blessing had come to light. They were originally entrusted to the care of a young naval officer (Nixon), who was approached by Dulles with an offer of political success, which he accepted.

The list refers to sites that pirate commercial media (songs and films). Sites like that are asking for a clampdown.

The issue is writing a bill that gives AGs the power to stop not only such theft, but plant snippets of copyrighted material on a site like Wikileaks that is doing the people’s business against a tyrannical government, and use that as justification for total censorship of a whole domain. As Wyden says, using a bunker buster where a precise missile is needed. I’d use the analogy of amputation for a hangnail.

Too easy to use it as an excuse to protect the criminals.

I am happy he voted on the side of Liberty on this issue. .

Bravo to him! Nice to see a Dem with a spine.

I always enlarge Lord Acton’s dictum, “Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely” with the warning that “there is no power so absolute as invisibility.”

You mean like Sen. Stevens and his “series of tubes”?

Absolutely that is the issue. And I believe the Wikileaks dump is the motive. The UN is quoting them as proof of US war crimes.

Just like the assassination of Gov. Spitzer, Julian Assange is now under arrest warrant from Sweden for rape. Spitzer got too close to exposing the Vera Potestas, and now so has Wikileaks. Immediate bunker busters from all sides converge on the offender.

Yes — Stockman. Whoda thunkit? Paul Craig Roberts is pulling no punches either.

Now there’s a thorough, scholarly analysis of the subject, carefully clarifying all its terms, eh? Reminds me of my friend the gorilla at the Cheyenne Mountain Zoo that used to throw dung at the passers-by.

e.g., Father Coughlin . . .

Bush’s grandfather, later Senator Prescott Sheldon Bush, was the chief operating officer of Brown Brothers, Harriman and Union Bank Corp. during the years, prior to, during and after WWII, in which their chief client was Fritz Thyssen, head of the Vereinigte Stahlwerke (“Unified Steelworks”, ie., the German steel and coal trust) which provided over 50% of the steel to the Nazi war machine. This business relationship was the source of the Bush family fortune.

But — that’s hard to compress into a three-word soundbite, I grant you.

Yeah! What’s up with that? I’m still scratching my head. Whitehouse? I cannot believe he’s as far off the mark as this would seem to indicate. I’m still hoping there’s some redeeming data we haven’t seen.

Have they all been threatened with anthrax?

RIGHT ON ! Never will I put myself near or close to the Idealog of a “CON”-servitive. Progressives are for WE the people we believe you have to have a bootstrap “CON”-servite are all about me myself and I If your not born with a bootstap so sad to bad . FROG PERSON DREAM ON !

Missing an essential point here. The conservatives of whom you speak are afraid to stand up to the wingnuts.

But as I’m sure you’ll agree, Wyden’s body block has spoiled their easy entry into the end zone. The next attack will lack the element of surprise and will be a lot easier to get the public outrage going, thanks to him.

According to Daniel Estulin (son of an old Russian spy) the Rockefellers, while fielding such pawns as Kissinger, are themselves pawns of greater plutocrats, not only the Rothschilds, but further back in the shadow, the Venetian Black Nobility, who have ruled the world since the Crusades, names like Savoy and Frescobaldi. Remember, the Knights Templar and Knights of Malta were the creators of the modern banking system. Estulin says that one bank account (of many) — $1.25 Trillion.

Everyone’s ‘rights’ are an abatement of everyone elses ‘rights’. We all have the right to swing our arms, but that ‘right’ stops where the other person’s nose begins. It will be the same 1,000 years from now.

I don’t do food stamps, little man. Do you?
It is a fact that conservatives benefit more from the social welfare state than liberals by magnitudes so the odds are that you do. What’s for dinner?

Jefferson never had to contend with F16′s though, now did he?

“ideas that differ from the majority’s will be a symptom of mental illness”

Sounds like you’re referring to Cass Sunstein’s article “Conspiracy Theories” to which David Ray Griffin addressed his latest book Cognitive Infiltration, which I just got in my mailbox Friday, and expect to finish today (only 200 pp.). A masterpiece of rock-solid reasoning and proof.

Birther? Damn right.

Only if the porn sites involve copyright infringement. Selective enforcement should provide safety for them.

Next door to you in the purple trailer.

Ever read the Washington Times, during, say, the late 80′s?

[...] materials. …Web censorship bill appears dead for now, but will it stay dead?Examiner.comOregon Senator Wyden effectively kills Internet censorship billRaw StoryAnti-Piracy Proposal Pits Free Speech Advocates Against Newspaper Association [...]

“Where did Beck plagiarize `Mein Kampf`?!”
The question should be “where didn’t he”? You stand corrected.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/4/30/861935/-Achtung-Glenn-Beck!-Becks-Nazi-Roots-Revealed

Not to mention Sy Hersh, Amy Goodman, Howard Zinn, Studs Terkel, Norman Finkelstein, Michael Ratner, or even Ilan Pappe.

How tragic it is to be mentally lazy.

How do you figure that?

“How is it that the federal government would offer a state official that discretion?”

You should be asking, “how like the Deep State to do its dirty work by acting contrary to the stated brief of the Public State!” The Deep Powers, centered in the Military Industrial Complex, are not about to put up with another document dump from Wikileaks, whereof the UN has drawn proof of war crimes by the Pentagon under Bush-Cheney. Besides targeting Assange for prison for rape, they plan to eliminate all such free speaking, and it’s a small thing for them to pull the levers that control every civil servant in the nation from highest to lowest, and if any fail to cooperate, kill him.

And for calling home the 700 bases from 148 countries. That might save a few coins.

It’s mind-boggling to see so many good Progs apparently on the wrong side. I’m hoping like you are. Still, great that Wyden blocked it. Nothing to fool with — this deserves the highest level of public scrutiny. Let the backers prove their bona fides to the public in no uncertain terms.

[...] …MediaPost PublicationsFaster Forward: Congress's worst tech-policy ideaWashington PostRaw Storyall 44 news [...]

What???? Where did you get that info from? Lawrence O’Donell, Rachel Madcow, Keith Olberman?? That is a load of Bull$hit. Why do you think that liberals vote for the Dems? Because the Dems are the ones that support social welfare. You are an idiot!!!

What???? Where did you get that info from? Lawrence O’Donell, Rachel Madcow, Keith Olberman?? That is a load of Bull$hit. Why do you think that liberals vote for the Dems? Because the Dems are the ones that support social welfare. You are an idiot!!!

That’s all well and good, and I support protection from piracy.

If it can be shown that the bill is safe from abuse by government used to destroy truth channels, let it become law. I have no love for petty thieves.

But after seeing what was done to Spitzer, what is now being done to Assange, what happened in the AT&T office in San Francisco, how the 4th, 5th, 6th, and 8th amendments have been shredded, I’m not about to stand by and take any chances with the 1st.

Maybe not smarter, but how about “less compromised”?

This article leaves out one important thing….. The law would allow the government to blacklist the Domain out of the DNS servers….so they are not really blocking the site but just blocking the name. So all you would have to do is type in the sites numeric IP address……So this bill is pointless and a waste of government time….just like everything else

Chertoff’s actual name is the familial derivative of Черт (chert) or Чёрт (chort) which means “the devil”. How stunningly appropriate! A member in good standing of the devil’s family tree.

After reading Cass Sunstein’s article “Conspiracy Theories” to which David Ray Griffin addressed his latest book Cognitive Infiltration, which I just got in my mailbox Friday, and expect to finish today (only 200 pp.), I am convinced that it is entirely dedicated to inculcating the power of the phrase to stand on its own with no logical support.

The Tyranny knows that the average person has the brains of a cocker spaniel, and that by implanting short phrases, (“fetch!”, “sit”, “go get it”, &c.) they can create a mass acceptance of a concept that has no logical support. That is their only hope, because their purposes are utterly unjust.

This is the same sort of Cognitive Infiltration. Repeat the expression “conspiracy theory” often enough, and paint it with massive doses of opprobrium, ignore, elude, and duck actual discussion of the proof, and soon a majority will take it as proven.

Don’t forget the poor abused and maligned oil companies.

That could be a bumper sticker!

“if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul” (gain and lose are subjunctive)

Whom is Julian Assange to the right of?

Are you going to a big city library every time you need to know something you could have googled? That’s rich! The net is the only hope of a fact-based democracy.

Granted, the USSR was brought down with fax-trees, but I’m skeptical if we have it in us to go to those lengths to regain our freedom.

from chapter 7:

“In reality very little was known about the proles. It was not necessary to know much. So long as they continued to work and breed, their other activities were without importance. Left to themselves, like cattle turned loose upon the plains of Argentina, they had reverted to a style of life that appeared to be natural to them, a sort of ancestral pattern. They were born, they grew up in the gutters, they went to work at twelve, they passed through a brief blossoming-period of beauty and sexual desire, they married at twenty, they were middle-aged at thirty, they died, for the most part, at sixty. Heavy physical work, the care of home and children, petty quarrels with neighbours, films, football, beer, and above all, gambling, filled up the horizon of their minds. To keep them in control was not difficult. A few agents of the Thought Police moved always among them, spreading false rumours and marking down and eliminating the few individuals who were judged capable of becoming dangerous; but no attempt was made to indoctrinate them with the ideology of the Party. It was not desirable that the proles should have strong political feelings. All that was required of them was a primitive patriotism which could be appealed to whenever it was necessary to make them accept longer working-hours or shorter rations. And even when they became discontented, as they sometimes did, their discontent led nowhere, because being without general ideas, they could only focus it on petty specific grievances.”

An important point often missed

What? No answer from the Gated Community? I’m shocked!

No, I’m not but you know what? neither are the ones that should. Just last night, I had one of the most frustrating and mind-numbing exchanges with a Teabagger/Fundie that I’ve had in my life. He believes (his word) what FAUX News and the Bible tell him. He doesn’t believe in Benjamin Franklin or Abraham Lincoln or George Washington because he never met them and he’s not about to believe what ‘some guy’ tells him in a book because he doesn’t know if it’s true. Therefore, he doesn’t believe anything in books, newspapers, etc. See what I’m getting at? The stupid are stupid for a reason: they want to be stupid. Google, Internet, books, libraries ain’t gonna make a difference. All of that helps you and me – the few – but not the ones that need it most who are, unfortunately at least 85% of the population. Their ignorance is self-inflicted, they like it that way and who are you or me to show them otherwise.

Red States Feed at Federal Trough, Blue States Supply the Feed
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2004/09/red_states_feed.html

Red States, Blue States and the Distribution of Federal Spending
http://seekingalpha.com/article/196644-red-states-blue-states-and-the-distribution-of-federal-spending

Red States Mostly Welfare States Dependent On Blue States But Likely Too Uninformed to Know
http://ezinearticles.com/?Red-States-Mostly-Welfare-States-Dependent-On-Blue-States-But-Likely-Too-Uninformed-to-Know&id=5392460

This land is red land, paid for by blue land … America: Paid For By the Blue States
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2004/11/29/8192719/index.htm

Red-State Moochers: Federal Taxes Favor Those Who Complain the Most About Federal Taxes
http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/04/18/red-state-moochers-federal-taxes-favor-those-who-complain-the-most-about-federal-taxes/

P-I Focus: Red and blue and the color of money
(Only five blue states are net recipients of federal subsidies; only two red states are net payers of federal taxes)
http://www.seattlepi.com/opinion/211080_sciglianomoney.html

The Most Hypocritical States
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-10-11/tea-party-hypocrites-which-states-talk-cuts-love-federal-spending/

Federal Spending Received Per Dollar of Taxes Paid by State, 2005
http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/266.html

Will Red States Opt Out of Blue State Generosity?
http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/will-red-states-opt-out-blue-state-generosity

Center left America: Vast support for the welfare state
http://openleft.com/diary/16667/center-left-america-vast-support-for-the-welfare-state

All that’s wrong with American conservative thought in glorious microcosm
http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2010/06/22/all-thats-wrong-with-american-conservative-thought-in-glorious-microcosm/

This is not a red state or blue state issue. It is about fairness and legal percident. The
legislation he and many other of our fellow Americans are opposing is at best
poorly constructed, even though I am in favor of IP protections, just not ‘Extrodinary’ protections
to serve special interest groups at the expense of the public domain. s3804 needs significant revision to accept the concept and precident of “Fair use Doctrine”, 17 U.S.C. § 107.

I believe after the election of 2012 , you will see more democrats with a spine or not see them at all.
Hoping anyway.

All leftwing nut sources??? Figures. Here’s an article you won’t read on sites like the asinine “crooks and liars”:

Biggest welfare states are ones that are traditionally “blue”, with Oregon, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Rhode Island, New Mexico, Washington, Minnessota, New York, D.C., Vermont, Massachusetts, Maine, and California making up the bulk of the top 17.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/31910310/The_Biggest_US_Welfare_States?slide=16

Obama made sure his lackeys in the blue states (besides the SEIU) were some of the biggest beneficiaries from the “stimulus”:
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=481816

Stop feeding at your own fucking trough before you criticize others.

Everyone needs to send this man an e-mail or letter thanking him for his actions. And then they need to send an e-mail, or a regular letter, to their own senator telling him or her to grow a spine and to FINALLY ACT like Democrats and oppose every damn piece of Republican bullshit that’s coming down the pike!

But we know none of that will ever happen!

You presumably are implying that Obama, parachuted into office at the depth of the Bush depression, should immediately shut off the supply of federal support for the recovery. The obtuseness of this strategy is mind boggling.

Let us consider the prime historical example.

1920: Republicans take the White House for matinee idol Warren Gamaliel Harding, who immediately drops the top tax rate from 78% to 23%. Immediately, the economy overheats in a frenzy of speculative bubbles. When he becomes mentally disabled, Silent
Cal Coolidge takes over, and continues the same policies. Herbert Hoover is president when the scam hits the fan in 1929, and begins to try to undo the damage with policies that most think began with FDR.

When Roosevelt took office in 1933, it was the very depths of the Depression. He implemented full versions of the New Deal, continuing many good ideas that Hoover began, albeit tepidly. The main difference was probably the increase in the top tax rate to 81%, something Hoover neglected to do.

The GDP of the United States climbed steadily and almost steeply until 1937, when, browbeaten by Republicans, FDR made an effort to reduce the deficit by curtailing New Deal programs. This brought an immediate decline in GDP, which caused him to revert to the programs and postpone the deficit-cutting. The GDP improvement again began its steep climb toward the prosperity of the 50′s.

In spite of (I would say, thanks to . . .) the 81% top tax rate, the 50s was a decade of very buoyant economic activity. Kennedy dropped it to 70%, but, as he declared in a speech, revenues would go up, not because of the lower rates, but because of the many loopholes he was closing at the same time.

Prosperity continued until the expenditures for Vietnam overwhelmed the economy in the late Nixon years, and through the Carter years. Reagan created an illusion of prosperity with “hot check”, to use Lloyd Bentsen’s phrase, but that was short lived. Reagan dropped the taxes for the rich (the Investor Class), and made up the difference by increasing them for wage slaves (the Payroll Tax).

Clinton raised the top tax rate a little, as much as he thought he could get away with, (far too little), and squeezed out a surplus. Baby Bush again gorged his base (“Some call you the haves and the have-mores I call you my Base) by borrowing unbelievable amounts on our children’s and grandchildren’s credit card. When it all came crashing down, Barack Obama was left holding the bag.

And you want him to leave it at the depths of a Depression, neglecting the proven methods that FDR used to rescue it last time.

Please note, the greatest debt in US history, after WWII, was PAID OFF during Eisenhower, precisely because the rich were paying their fair share of 81%.

You have incredible gall to pretend this is not the case. I don’t believe you are ignorant. I think you are lying, sir.

Wow, you mean the states who pay the most taxes and have the highest populations have the most people on welfare? And Oregon come is at 15 with only 1.55 % of pop. on assistance even though they have 12% UNEMPLOYMENT?!?! And yet they pay SO much more in taxes than states like Alabama (a red state). You want to know why states like Alabama have less people on assistance? Because the cost of living in Alabama is fractional compared to New York, Oregon, California etc. Because people in red States pay a fractional amount of taxes, comparatively. Because people in Red states can survive on 800$ a month since the blue states are funding their budget shortfalls with OUR money. Look it up before you feed your fat face at YOUR fucking trough, half wit.

Well DONE Ron! You made me very pleased I voted for you!!!

Well presented facts, tropic girl. You clearly have made an undeniable case.

I was not aware that Obama/Pelosi/Reid were FOR this? Where did you get that info? Or is just in the Glencycopedia Becktannica?

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WHAT?!?!?!?!? You MUST be joking?! Regan ? Lee Atwater? Those were the good old days? Were you by chance in the 10-20 age group at the time and simply think things were kickass because you personally had no responsibilities?

I pay 25%. The investor class pays 15%, and EXXON pays nothing due to loopholes. Even Warren Buffet had the class to admit it’s wrong for his secretary to pay a higher percentage than he does.

Your question hopes for a quorum of fools who don’t notice that your impertinent question asks the poor, who are victimized by the lawyered-up rich, rich by virtue of the public courts, public roads, public utilities, public-educated workforce, emergency rooms, bribed officials that vote tax-free status for companies that ship jobs overseas to the poorest people in the world — asks the poor, I say, to pay a higher percentage than the rich, as if that is not an issue.

To the general reader: This question “How much tax do you pay per year” is an outrageous deception. Those who have benefitted from the public good so much owe a proportional amount in return. Try to see through this unjust logic, which says that the rich should pay the same number of dollars as the poor.

No, Nazi’s are Nazis. Have some fucking respect. The Holocaust and the 6 million plus dead Jews and their survivors don’t appreciate your glib attitude you soulless son of a bitch.

This is not an idea inspired by Obama. Think a bit before speaking, eh? A bit of research maybe? I’ll bet $100 dollars you’re white and believe in Jesus.

Excellent example of this: We pay twice what they pay for healthcare, and get half the quality. Who benefits? For-profit health insurance companies (which are illegal in all civilized countries — yes, I exclude the US), pharmaceutical companies, and clock-punching shills like Smitty who have the gall to use Yeats’s august image to dignify their lies.

Oregon is awesome. There isn’t a bad damn thing to say about it.

You’re a paid liar

I’m not ready to abandon this country to the wolves just yet. It may come to that in some future day.

Oh my GOD. You are an idiot of the highest order. Net neutrality is being pushed by companies like Comcast and REPUBLICANS!!!! Are you seriously uncapable of reading anything not pre-rubber stamped by Glen Beck or Fox??? Look who the writers of the Bill are!!! Republicans!!! NOT Democrats!!! And for the last fucking time, Obama is NOT a Socialist or anything even CLOSE to a Socialist. You and all your Tea Party friends are modern day witch hunting McCarthyist’s and you are fucking up America with your rhetoric.

Oh, he’s not a moron. Just a towering (would-be) deceiver.

You keep drinking you stupidity infused Tea.

Really? The one with the cardboard window? I hear you guy crankin the tunes all night, man. Don’t you ever sleep?

There are no Socialist in government you total utter ignorant fool. Go burn some suspected witches and get back to your Bible, eh?

Obama is NOT the writer or sponsor of this bill. Fact checking: It’s for smart people.

Schoolyard comebacks is all he has left.

It’s called humor.

You already used that joke Jim. No one laughed. You lack creativity. Color me So Surprised.

I love you Rob.

Cambodia was safe under Sihanouk until the Pentagon overthrew him. The only thing that saved Cambodia was the Vietnam that we inevitably failed to destroy.

Yes he sure is. See what happens when you think and look like a total badass? You get to be super right and be internet highfived for your correctness. High fucking five, man.

Ron Paul may be an exception to that. Generally though, it favors the many over the few, and that’s what they hate.

Thomas Jefferson pointed out in a famous letter written to Isaac McPherson in 1813 that “intellectual property”, (unlike tangible property), has no basis in nature or natural law,
See: http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2006/10/06/thomas-jefferson-on-patents-and-freedom-of-ideas/

He agreed, presumably with reluctance, to include authority in the Constitution a clause enabling Congress: “To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.”

Copyrights are explicitly government protected monopolies limiting the natural rights of free speech and free press. When justified for a practical purpose they must, as (at best) a neccessary evil, be upheld for that purpose alone. Frequent users of the World Wide Web have reason to suspect that “Progress of Science and useful Arts” is better obtained from the unhindered flow of information.

There was literature, with limited circulation, long before there was copyright. Copyright only became useful with the invention of mass production, by the press, of copies. With the invention of the internet, copyright may have become obsolete. What Nature supports is constant but what changing technology gives it can also take away.

“All leftwing nut sources???”

You can wish that were so all you like but it will not make it so. Don’t let the facts dissuade you now.

The Tax Foundation was organized on December 5, 1937 in New York City by Alfred P. Sloan, Jr., Chairman of the General Motors Corporation; Donaldson Brown, GM Financial Vice President; William S. Farish, President of Standard Oil Company of New Jersey; and Lewis H. Brown, President of Johns-Manville Corporation, who later became the first Chairman of the Board of the Foundation.[11] The stated goal of the organization was “to monitor the tax and spending policies of government agencies”.[12] Its offices were located at 50 Rockefeller Plaza and later 30 Rockefeller Plaza.

About the Tax Foundation

Our Mission

The mission of the Tax Foundation is to educate taxpayers about sound tax policy and the size of the tax burden borne by Americans at all levels of government. From its founding in 1937, the Tax Foundation has been grounded in the belief that the dissemination of basic information about government finance is the foundation of sound policy in a free society.

nice poem, ;))

It is fairly fascinating. An authoritarian follower will not believe any source of information except that which comes from the authority they follow. They have completely stifled their own ability to decide or think independently..

A must read for me:
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

Lame uncreative humor is what it is, and spiteful to the nth degree.

“Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” [Santayana, The Life of Reason, vol. 1, Scribner, 1906.]

Unfortunately, we are here in this thread because plenty of Democrats are afraid to stand up as well. An American Academic named Four Arrows (Anglo name Donald Trent Jacobs) tells of a friend of his, a close collaborator with Barbara Boxer, who informed him that Boxer told her (promising to deny it later if necessary) that his book, written with Prof. James Fetzer, called American Assassination: The Strange Death Of Senator Paul Wellstone was “closer to the truth than even he may realize”, and further comments to the effect that everyone in Congress took that event as a warning that there were lines that they durst not step over.

Dude, not all those sites are left-wing! The sites you pose are ridiculous! You have got to learn to focus on scientific studies and not propaganda. It’s a well-studied issue, as you might expect it could be. Take some time. Looks at this one issue in detail, take a weekend maybe. Come to your own conclusions, and then think about who is lying to you about this and who is not, and why…

1. cnbc slide show: I don’t have time to go thought it all, but it seems to not make sense – where is the table this is referring to? CNBC is notoriously reich-wing

2. Investors.com – are you serious? The ‘source’ of the article is USA today! That rag is a total propaganda MSM joke!

Talk about ‘feeding at your trough’…

Do we have a right not to pitch in and help others even if everyone else agrees that it’s a good thing and is forcing you to do it? Even if studies show it’s good for you personally?

It’s nice to know my Senator did something good for once. Makes me proud for just a moment to be an Oregonian. The internet is the last free place to roam. http://hegrins.blogspot.com

Let’s not leave out Albert Einstein, Benoit Mandelbrot, Richard Feynman, Carl Sagan, Karl Popper, Isaiah Berlin, Leonard Bernstein, Stan Getz, George Gershwin, Neils Bohr, Stanley Kubrick, Mel Brooks, Frida Kahlo, Marc Chagall, Allen Ginsberg, Franz Kafka, Marcel Marceau, Nat Hentoff, Flora Purim, Bob Dylan, Simon & Garfunkel, Warren Zevon, Benny Goodman, Bela Fleck, Harry Connick, Jr., Phillip Glass, and thousands upon thousands more, all of them evil Jews who want to rule the world.

Great news! Thanks to an article in Wired, I have discovered a video of the meeting of the United States Senate Committee on Finance — Subcommittee on International Trade, Customs, and Global Competitiveness chaired by Wyden in which he made the remarks that this thread is based on.

What he said.

Very interesting point.

It’s called “brainwashing” – I think I’m gonna forward that to my Fundie friend. I’ve been blasting him today with stuff that he’s afraid to look at. He he…

[...] that violate copyright law, based upon the judgment of state attorneys general.READ MORE : Rawstory.comThat’s one of my Senators. Of Oregon’s two senators, both are Democrats. Merkley is a [...]

Ex-Playboy bunny convicted of murder dies in Ore. (AP)…

I found your entry interesting thus I’ve added a Trackback to it on my weblog :)…

Senator Wyden, you are a hero. Keep up the good work in an era of uncertainty.

Thank God someone in the Congress realizes the danger we face from the man in the empty suit with a lust for absolute power or as Scott Horton put it, “a tendency towards tyranny.”
Any president who thinks Americans should be strip searched by X-ray or sexually molested as an excuse for ANYTHING does not deserve the job. It’s just one vote Obama but you sure as hell have lost mine.

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PP, no I wasn’t actually – just my observations. But thank you so for the links. I need to do some catch-up reading.

Yes, the idea of Sunstein on the Supreme Court is frightening.

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Just once? Or is it just the first time you have noticed? I’m inclined to think it is the latter because Wyden is always working hard for Oregonians as well as the people of this nation. If only more senators were like him….if only every state had a Wyden or two…

[...] one Senator Ron Wyden (D) of Oregon. He may very well have saved the internet by placing a hold on the pending bill. I have no idea what Wyden’s record is on anything [...]

Oh, I have arguments but I reckon you will not be listening. No matter.

When the reckoning comes your rapt attention will be required.

Democratic Socialism will have your guts for garters.

Are you sure that the IP address is not affected? Very interesting point. That would make a massive funnel from another site instantly available. That seems a bit too easy . . .

[...] Patrick Leahy, who is one of the biggest assholes in Senate, thinks it’s just a matter of “intellecual property”: “Few things are more important to the future of the American economy and job creation than protecting our intellectual property,” said Senator Patrick Leahy, a Democrat from Vermont who co-sponsored the bill. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/oregon-senator-vows-block-internet-censorship-bill/” [...]

[...] Patrick Leahy, who is one of the biggest assholes in Senate, thinks it’s just a matter of “intellecual property”: “Few things are more important to the future of the American economy and job creation than protecting our intellectual property,” said Senator Patrick Leahy, a Democrat from Vermont who co-sponsored the bill. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/oregon-senator-vows-block-internet-censorship-bill/” [...]

I guess you missed the meme that the financial crisis in Ireland is fully due to a similar and linked unregulated capitalist bank failure, a housing bubble similar to what we suffer here but unlike the United States Ireland is dealing with it rather than borrowing from China and printing money hand over fist, unlike providing $ 83,000+ per top 2 % of income earners and blowing a massive hole in the deficit here. Perhaps you would like that?

Trust we deserve freedom while clearly you deserve a reckoning. It’s coming and you will not at all like it.

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Interesting little dust-up here.

This will take more time than I have tonight, but at first glance, the apparent conflict is about (unintentional perhaps) cherry picking. The CNBC slideshow is all based on one single parameter: states who receive TARF funds. The piece at SeekingAlpha, on the other hand, looks at a broad range of issues, most related to land use.

In the western states there are federal water projects that subsidize water for farmers, artificially low grazing fees for ranchers, and leases for hard rock mining and oil drilling on federal lands that have historically charged artificially low prices. Perhaps the biggest federal redistribution program of all is massive agricultural subsidies The four congressional districts that receive the most in farm subsidies are all represented by “conservative” Republicans, located in Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa, and Texas. (Michele Bachmann’s family farm apparently received $250,000 in such farm payments between 1995 and 2006.)

There is an answer to the question, but it’s more complex than a sound bite.

Right-wingers all (LOL)

“the faculty lounges of the land”

I reckon you would never qualify for a university professor’s position.

Citizens are constantly and unknowingly absorbing this sh*t. Obama’s deficit commission leadership just added the newest memes: cut benefits for the poor and cut taxes for the rich. It will stew for a while, and then, low and behold, it will be the new common wisdom. Our future is as bleak as 1984.

Did you ever listen to his show on Air America? He was in full support of the war and many other Bushite ideas. He is not so much progressive as he is a “look at me, I’m leading the flow” kinda guy.

It’s not actual anthrax, just a special Senate Fairy Dust that lets even the best people forget the real effects -on real systems and people- of their deal making. The House’s Dust is similar, but it doesn’t coat as well, so quite a few don’t suffer the same symptoms.

Do you remember the Bankruptcy bill (early 2000′s) that basically gutted folks ability to keep their houses if they filed? Lots of supposedly good Dems went for that one too.

Your grip on reality appears pretty shaky and your grip on the facts even worse. Obviously the product of superior education from an ivy league school.

You the man, senator!

[...] Copyright BillPC WorldWeb censorship bill appears dead for now, but will it stay dead?Examiner.comOregon Senator Wyden effectively kills Internet censorship billRaw StoryMediaPost Publications -Washington Postall 46 news [...]

This man is a national hero and should be hailed as such.

Wyden’s the man!

[...] Heros still live. [...]

this isn’t the end – everyone who cares about free speech needs to let their senators know that this type of bill is foul and that you will vote against anyone who votes for it no matter who their opponent is in the next election cycle. Politicians need to understand that fucking with the internet is a career-ending move, that’s the only thing that will get them to respect free speech.

it was a bi-partisan bill, you’d know that if you read the article. this isn’t about democrats vs republicans, it’s about fascism vs liberty and there are plenty of people in both corporate-backed parties on the wrong side of that line.

I’m not going to praise Wyden. That man’s been a blight to the nation for eons and as an Oregonian, I just can’t imagine why or how he gets re-elected. He may have killed it, but be certain he has something far worse in mind.

[...] a bill that would have given the government more power to shut down copyright-violating websites, reports Stephen Webster: “‘Deploying this statute to combat online copyright infringement seems [...]

[...] Senator Kills Web Censorship Bill!ZeropaidWashington Post -MediaPost Publications -Raw Storyall 46 news [...]

[...] a bill that would have given the government more power to shut down copyright-violating websites, reports Stephen Webster: “‘Deploying this statute to combat online copyright infringement seems [...]

[...] Proposal Pits Free Speech Advocates Against Newspaper Association …MediaPost PublicationsOregon Senator Wyden effectively kills Internet censorship billRaw StorySenator threatens to block online copyright billComputerworldWashington Postall 46 news [...]

For those who like to “keep score”, the tally is 12 Ds and 9 Rs for the Committee vote. So why don’t you partisan bomb-throwers take a deep breath, count to ten and get a grip on reality. Both parties have plenty of control freaks in Congress. It takes mature and responsible adults to have a meaningful discussion about serious matters of liberty, property and tyranny.

Laura is a lost little lambie. She’s going to wait to be fu**kd 100 times, not just once, by her beloved criminal party, before she engages her brain. If there is one in there.

The dems are in favor of ALL of it. Healthcare scams, bank bailouts, censorship, spying, torture. Where in gods green earth have you been? Up your ass?

You are played like a fiddle by your rulers.

The dems are in favor of ALL of it. Healthcare scams, bank bailouts, censorship, spying, torture. Where in gods green earth have you been? Up your ass?

You are played like a fiddle by your rulers.

Another lost little lamb who thinks the middle road conservatives are not fully engaged in the pillage of our country along with the democratic crooks.

The CON servatives you believe are safe helped engineer this whole entire thing back to Clinton. The guy who said Fox and MSNBC should be censored, the other day, was a beloved DEMOCRAT. The neoCONS can’t stand up to the wingnuts because they have filth on their hands and they know it. Nothing at all to say of value. Nothing.

Its about the MOB moving into the Democratic and Republican parties, into OUR GOVERNMENT, and INTO OUR MAJOR INDUSTRIES, especially the banks.

But god forbid a wingnut should be in favor of internet freedom, or freedom, in general and speak against the status quo.

The way you fake progressives defend the crooks is amazing.

Hopelessly and helplessly gullible.

I did listen to his show but I didn’t pick up on any such thing myself. I had heard that he was pro-invasion early on though. Many were. I was not.
I only ever tune in to AM while driving so I wasn’t a regular listener.

[...] http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/oregon-senator-vows-block-internet-censorship-bill/ [...]

[...] http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/oregon-senator-vows-block-internet-censorship-bill/ [...]

What if you are stuck with two Republican senators?

If I remember correctly, Clinton vetoed it, and Joe Lieberman, the defender of the Insurance state of Connecticut, marshalled an override.