I think we are all, unaware, in a movie penned by Steven King. The horrrrrorrrrr!!!

This is all about control. This machines unsafe and untested. The machines and gropings are illegal and most importantly IMMORAL.

From an engineer’s perspective who’s researched the available data, whole body mass was used to calculate radiation exposure, not skin surface, and, there is no available testing data.

Flying is done safely and has been done safely without any of this for GSA and charter passengers, well, forever. They don’t give up their constitutional rights to fly, so why do commercial passengers need to either.

And Groping – ILLEGAL and IMMORAL not any way to paint this as acceptable.

As an aside, on my last groping, I noticed that 60% of the people chosen for screenings were large breasted women. Since when have large breasted women been a security threat. If so, half of the women in Orange County would be in prison.

Chicken Little tactic to manipulate the public.

At this point, Obama would be stupid to continue supporting his inane homeland security chief, or in fact to make any comment at all about this controversy.

Oh, wait.

Never mind.

Thousands of dogs waste away in shelters all across America who could be trained to sniff any number of “suspicious” substances. Non-invasive and effective. So much better then subjecting humans to this kind of trauma and abuse.

This is so pathetic, no comment can suffice.

Nature abhors a vacuum and the TSA is no acception.

Since the TSA’s Wally World employees probably spend 7 + hours per day in close proximity to porno terahertz radiation, their DNA’s protein communication will eventually be so corrupted (just like the voyeurism and sexual assaults they’re trying to ‘rationalize’) that most of them will be unemployable cancer patients. Very few Human Beings (if any) will have any sympathy for them.
Kharma is a good thing. When Darwinism is involved it can even be funny.

Conservative estimates are that every year at US airports, 400 + Million innocent American Men, Women and Children are strip searched, harassed, groped, fondled, humiliated, $Millions worth of Personal Property is stolen from them –
- while Millions of Cargo Containers enter US Ports with no ‘searches’ whatsoever.
WTF?

To say nothing about the public threat of the TSA spreading Biohazards groping at innocent pregnant Women!

Michael Chertoff is making off like a bandit with this charade and profiting obscenely from microwave scanners, sleazy porno security theatres, and dregrading Millions of innocent Americans at US airports.

This is the same “dual citizen” Michael Chertoff who’s been trying to cover up/censor New York Police’s 9/11/01 ARRESTS of the “5 dancing Israeli” Mossad agents (dressed to look like “Arabs”) who were caught RED HANDED on 9/11 trying to blow up New York’s Washington Bridge.

When New York Police arrested them, they found $4400 in cash, Israeli passports, pictures of highlighted American landmarks, videos of the Twin Towers’ demolition with the agents celebrating and “Box Cutters”.

One of the Israelis even had the temerity to flick a cigarette lighter in front of the camera smiling like a kid at a rock concert while 3,000 innocent people gruesomely died that day.

That is Alien Mind Rot Evil.

It’s interesting (and revealing) to note that the same Israeli agents also blew up the moving van that had a mural on it’s side with the words “9/11″ with a picture of Jetliners crashing into the Twin Towers!

Michael Chertoff used his power as former Attorney General to release the Israeli thugs and send them back to Israel. On Israeli television, these same Massad agents stated that “our purpose was to document the event”.

So, how does one “document an event” without having FOREKNOWLEDGE of the event?

But good, obediant and bigoted Americans are supposed to hate every Muslim Man, Woman and Child on this planet, support killing them all and obediantly get microwaved on defrost, right?

Enough is enough.

No one can be loyal to two countries at the same time. It is a lie
worse than Bigamy. It is Treason. “Dual citizens” will either serve one country at the expense of the other or they will be loyal to one country while spying on the other, and they obscenely enrich themselves doing both. Kharma is catching up fast with undesirables like Michael Chertoff and they deserve no one’s sympathy.

The “9/11″ scam has been used as an excuse to destroy America’s Constitutional Republic, turn it into a Tyrannical Police State and deceive/lie our Children into destroying themselves in endless Mid East Conquest Wars for Israel.

ALL 9/11 False Flag Serial Mass Murders need to be given a Fair Trial. If found guilty, they deserve to be Sentenced with Extreme Prejudice. Nothing else will ever do.

America needs Honorable Leaders who actually place their allegiance to America’s Constitutional Republic, First and Foremost, not to Tel Aviv. If their alligance belongs to a foreign country then move there and take the fear&war mongering with them!
No One touches my penis except for me and my wife!

if this had happened to mel brooks he would have called for the piss boy. “Piss Boy, Piss Boy, a Moist Towelette!” then he would have tipped the TSA agent a gold doubloon. It’s good to be the king!

if they have to do it they need better training or something… they are giving folks all the fodder they need to make this an issue.

disgusting and shameful.

[...] “A retired teacher from Lansing, Michigan, says he had to walk through an airport and board a plane covered in urine after TSA agents tore open his urostomy bag during a pat-down. Thomas Sawyer, a 61-year-old survivor of bladder cancer, was flagged for an enhanced screening at Detroit Metropolitan Airport Nov. 7 after a metal detector picked up the urostomy bag in his pants. The medical device collects urine through an opening in the stomach” Read more here: [...]

It is time to band together and to shut TSA down. make them pat EVERYONE down. Sue them. Don’t tolerate them. Why are we permitting these people to treat us this way?

What’s next? Break someone’s pacemaker?

At this point, Obama would be stupid to continue supporting his inane homeland security chief, or in fact to make any comment at all about this controversy.

Oh, wait, he just did.

http://www.democraticunderground.org/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102×4623005

Never mind.

I thought it couldn’t get any worse, but I forgot – it can always get worse if one is completely unaware.
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Where the fuck did my country go?

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TSA Guard: Well, welcome aboard. My, my; as I look around I see a lot of celebrities among us. I see eleven Current Affairs, two Hard Copies and a genuine Geraldo interviewee, [gestures at Diamond Dog] but I gotta tell you gentlemen, none of this impresses me. Because we have rules on this aircraft and they’re going to be enforced. It’s a lot like kingergarten. You’ll keep your hands to yourself, keep the decibel level down and if any of you should feel the need to scream, spit or bite. You get the treatment. —Guard Falzon CON AIR

These machines are being used because some corporation is making money selling them to the government.

There are only 2 things that matter in this country. That some rich white guy is getting richer and that the employees of that rich white guy are making as little money as possible.

Public safety doesn’t matter, nothing matters but those 2 points.

The Israelis have a highly effective airport security system that is not intrusive to the passengers and, more important, does not invade the passengers’ privacy. But it requires a highly trained and qualified staff (expensive) and no rich white guy is getting richer.

So it’s a system you’ll never see implemented in the United States.

TSA agents should only be qualified to pat down passengers if they don’t enjoy it.

Do not fly anymore. I want to see the airlines go bankrupt.

Don’t grope/irradiate me bro!

Every American who is naive enough to believe 9/11 was not an inside job has allowed this kind of insulting, demeaning behavior on the part of a criminal government to be forced onto innocent law abiding people in the course of living their daily lives.

To all who believe 9/11 was not a false flag and the patriot act is a necessary evil, you are devoid of self-respect.

Bag of liquid? Possibly explosive. Bag of gel? Possibly explosive.

Like people who want to blow themselves up to crash an airplane aren’t afraid of a mastectomy to get a bomb on board.

Israel-style behavioral profiling now, please. Weed out the seedy characters and conspicuously nonchalant before they get right behind me in the backscatter line.

touchedthesky, are you running for president? you got my vote

Gee let’s contract this whole thing out to Blackwater, I understand their Christian.

The next would-be bomber will have a bomb as a suppository or swallow it. But I guarantee this won’t happen until an American company has just invented a very expensive scanner machine that could detect it.

TSA works for us…they have to treat people with dignity and respect…the agents need to be fired, and all agents should have to undergo sensitivity training…there is no excuse for this behavior..

If I leave the country

and I’m nearly there

it won’t be by air.

There used to be a circus sideshow freak act called the ‘Human Crockpot’ that would swallow meals in bladders that were attached to a string, heat it up internally, and then bring it up for the finale.

Shock-tube detonators are non-metallic, and so is ANFO explosive, so it would be simple for someone to swallow the components of a bomb before boarding a plane, pass through either the pat-down or x-ray and then assemble and ignite the bomb on the plane. They could also stick such a device into one of the many orifices on the human body.

Obviously, the only defense against this is to make all passengers vomit, defecate, urinate, and have their sinuses screened with a pipe cleaner during the screening process, otherwise none of us will be safe.

Of course, all recent scars should be opened to check for sub-surface implants, and eyeballs should be checked with a sharp object, as well, in case someone has replaced one of them with a bomb.

We can never be too safe.

Trains are slow, but lots of fun and relaxing…if you get a sleeper, you have your own little world..hit the liquor store at the stop, the food on the trains is not bad either…

At this point there should be two lines and two flights to any destination. One has the TSA and the other nothing. I’ll take the later and take my chances. After all, how many planes can Mossad actually blow up?

I think the full body scanners come from our great friend and ally, Israel

My husband was screamed at in the Seattle airport when he had the nerve to hand my mother her shoes while she was being screened. After 2 hip replacements, there isn’t a metal detector that won’t light up when she walks through. She’s 85 and having to bend over to get things is hard for her. The woman realized she made an ass of herself and tried to make nice when her work was done. Being a fiesty Irish grandma, my mother didn’t give her an inch. I agree with other postings and ask why we’re allowing these petty tyrants to mistreat us when we travel. My heart goes out to this man who warned them and he still left wet with his own urine. There’s no excuse for this bullying.

They’ll all get bailed out with the executives handed golden parachutes.

Soon a grassroots Urostomy Bagger movement will rise up to defiantly tear open their urostomy bags in the airport security lines as a protest against Big Government intrusion.

I should have read the comments before I posted, your comment was shorter, and more accurate, with the money-making angle. If someone can’t make a buck, it ain’t getting done.

Instead of flying out – stage a Fly Out. When the airports are empty the TSA goons will out of a job. Easy for me to say because I stopped flying years ago, but it’s a choice that we all have to make.

Another alternative is to adopt the Israeli method of training agents to ask a few simple questions, then more if something arouses suspicion. Of course you have to employ people who are reasonably smart rather than the current crop of thugs, but you can also save millions by not buying scanners from Chertoff and Company.

But then there goes all that lobbying money…

Wrong. The Israelis don’t use these scanners and don’t make them either. See my post above.

who does make them?

It is becoming more and more dehumanizing and degrading. This is how they compensate the low paid TSA agents; they give them “Power” over others. Power they can demonstrate in being abusive and by humiliating passengers. Not sure what America is becoming– but it is not a country I can be proud of until we get back to what we used to be: Human, compassionate, intelligent and not abusive, intolerant ignorant bullies.

Pardon me, not Israel, but a company that is chaired by Deepak Chopra, and if that doesn’t take the cake.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_Systems

Creepy, alien-looking Michael Chertoff, George W. Bush’s former Homeland Security head, is making money off these full-body scanners, I know that much.

Why is Michael Chertoff so excited about full-body scanners?

Please read my article:
http://www.mediaroots.org/stop-the-airport-body-scammers.php

To paraphrase Lewis Black: “Let me get this straight. Torture was OK; drone killings of civilians, all right; warrantless wiretaps, no problem; but this crosses the line?”

The terrorists are running this country.

You’re wrong…it’s not 100% Obama’s doing. It’s a 50/50 action.
This screening equipment was order into the system in 2007 by the Bush administration and installed starting in 2009 without objection by the Obama administration. So both of these idiots are only almost as responsible as they people who voted for them.

The “enhanced” pat-down is a PR disaster for TSA. “Enhanced interrogation” is a euphemism for torture-session-OK’d-by-a-flack-lawyer. “Enhanced pat-down” is a euphemism for sexual- assault-(probably)OK’d-by-a-flack-lawyer. Can the terms have originated from the same source? Seems likely.

Has anybody in the Homeland Security Nuthouse run by Janet Napolezbotano and her TSA minions ever thought that the last time anyone boarded an airplane in the USA to attack the USA by using the plane as a bomb was 9/11/01 and that since then, all attempts to attack the USA by plane have originated overseas where body scanners and cargo scanners are rarely if ever employed to check the human and other cargo? Have they? Do we pay them for stupidly attacking our dignity and making us into human cattle? Don’t blame Chertoff or if you do, blame his colleagues and collaborators in the Obama Administration who are richly profiting from the proceeds.

I remember the days when I could stumble red-eyed and drunk onto PSA’s midnight flier between San Francisco and LA without any interference other than having to stop at the ticket counter and pay $14 for the ticket, then actually be treated well by the flight crew once I was on-board.

The TSA is for that uber paranoid crowd that the terrorists have already won with. You know the ones, they think all muslims are Al Quada because other muslims do not speak up against Al Quada and make themselves targets just to please the evangelicals that demonize muslims.

Many of us saw religion as harmless nonsense. Beliefs might lack all supporting evidence but, we thought, if people needed a crutch for consolation, where’s the harm? September 11th changed all that.
–Richard Dawkins

That will happen right after your thoughts are scanned and you’ve been full body cavity searched in full public view.

[...] . TSA screeners leave cancer survivor covered in urine [...]

Just make sure all of the people in line hear your pleasure moans…then they’ll want what your ‘re having.

We lost it a LONG time ago

Stop flying.

All it will take is three weeks.

Boycott until they’re begging for cash inflow. Make it hurt.

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The TSA does NOT check babies.
Any terrorist who wanted to blow up a plane knows that they are murdering people.
What is a baby to a terrorist but an explosive diaper carrying device.

… I’m sure the TSA has already figured this out but since the sheeple think babies aren’t dangerous or pose a potential threat, they’ll just keep following appropriate measures to keep the illusion of safety alive and well.

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Some maybe, but not as many. Nice try to throw in an anti-union remark. The fact is that the people making money off of 9/11 are all connected to the rethuglicans that are still crying wolf. I hope your seeing-eye dog isn’t as blind as you are.

How dare you, you spineless, sniveling coward. YOU are the traitor. YOU are the Benedict Arnold who betrays the core American principle of LIBERTY for the mere promise of security.

People like me get called un-American because we oppose government fascism. WE are the only people left who still believe in what America stands for!

Thomas Jefferson (do you even know who that is?) would be ashamed of people like you Sheila. I feel freer and safer when I visit Communist China than I do in the US now. How sickening is that?

You’re blowing smoke as to the “not many” remark. The Demonrats are crooks and these expensive scanners are just the ticket for the Demonrats to share their ill-gotten goods with union thugs. Chertoff may have profited but it was Napolezbotano and Holder and Obama who are the architects of the degrading policies, which attempt to inflict an all-powerful state on hapless helpless air passengers. Just like the Third Reich and the USSR did to their own citizens when there was a foreign threat.

Your picture does you justice. Who’s the dude lying on top of you?

Nowadays I feel freer and safer when I visit Communist China than I feel in the United States. Chinese airport security is a goddamned treat to deal with compared to TSA. You know this country has gone to the dogs when you have to compare it with China, and China comes out ahead! The Chinese economy is growing stronger than the US’, its people have more economic rights than American citizens, and pretty soon I wouldn’t doubt it if the Chinese had more civil liberties to boot. It’s sickening what the fascist bastards in the American Ruling Class have done to the once mighty and proud United States.

I always get a kick out of being called a traitor or un-American because I oppose the authoritarian police state measures being enacted here that make this country look more and more like the fascist hellhole in Orwell’s 1984 every day. What of the spineless, cowardly bastards who are so eager to throw away our God-given Natural Rights for the mere promise of security? A deal with the Devil if there ever was one.

Just remember, the 2nd Amendment was added to the Constitution not for the sake of hunting, but for the sake of the people to defend themselves against government! The Founding Fathers knew where the real terrorists would someday try to hide… do you?

Fired? How about jailed? Has ANYBODY been locked-up for the obviously criminal actions of the past 10 years? No. But if I even THINK about looking at a movie that has a simulated joint in it, I end up on the watch list.

For all that we are paying, each employee, plus ALL supervisors in each of these incidents should be fired. The Japanese look at these kinds of situations correctly. I am responsible for those I supervise, as well as being responsible to those who supervise me. For all that happens. Period. Anything less is treasonous.

And hopefully on an agents lap.

The best thing is now airports are beginning to opt out of the TSA running security and hiring private contractors. Remember when the government hired the best and brightest? And I’m only in my 40′s.

What sucks is they have been dong it for decades, out of necessity. We have now joined them.

“The architects of the degrading policies”? I’m sorry, I thought you were an intelligent person instead of a reactionary ideologue. 8 years of enthusiastic treason should all of a sudden be blamed on democrats after 1 1/2 years?

Thanks for insulting me. You are right. I am a pumpkin. Ouch. You are the most intelligent person in the world, to be able to hurt me with that remark. Oh woe is me. That hurts. Ouch.

Punk.

Nice to know that concern for the wellbeing of fellow Americans is now considered cowardly. Are the ad hominems really necessary or is that all you got? Yes, I do happen to know who Thomas Jefferson is. A slave-owner valiant in the defense of freedom – funny ain’t it? In a way, I’m not too bummed out that he’d be ashamed of me. Be selfless enough to endure a scanner or a pat down because the procedures help guarantee the safety of thousands of others.

> “for a set amount of time after the new president takes office, he has to follow the policies of the old president”

Did you read this in Mother Goose?

Vote for either party, vote for failure. Only the banksters will win.

When is it necessary to dehumanize people? I must’ve missed that in civics class.

as a person who travels with circus animals, this is the perfect opportunity for me to tell the TSA agent not to touch the tigers junk.

there is no shame for the guy covered in urine. shame on us for becoming a society that allows people with disabilities to be mistreated in the name of National Security. actually Mr. TSA man, touch the tigers junk; and Mr. Chertoff, why don’t you help.

Animals!!

wtf are you talking about?

This is like some kind of sick, twisted pornography.

Well I was debating to fly or not to fly but then Ohio State beat Iowa so there is no way Michigan State can go to the rosé bowl. I actually feel better. I did not want to go through LAX!

The TSA procedures are OBEDIENCE TRAINING of adults. The only way to change the behavior of the TSA is for the passengers to get pat downs instead of scanned. 1st,the TSA doesn’t want pat downs and it will disrupt processing of passengers thereby creating chaos for the airlines as their schedules will be affected. Unfortunately, this would required acts of heroism by Americans whom are cowards and don’t know how to look out for their best interests. The TSA obedience training will continue and Americans will allow themselves to be cowered and pushed around by the TSA goons which will only result in increased abuses by the government onto the American ” sheeple”.

Aplogize. You expect the US government to apologize for anything?

Shows you how little respect these so-called leaders have for democracy and the American people.

Back in the days, the airlines treated people like valued customers; now they treat us like criminals. And to add insult to injury, they charge us mega bucks for the “privilege.”

The only time I plan on flying again as a result of the horrendous circumstances at airports today, will be to buy a one-way ticket out of this country.

A compelling story, but I call BS on the part where he says he had to walk through the airport and board the plane and wait for takeoff before cleaning up. He could have stopped at the restroom before getting on the plane. They are available near the gate for planes as well as outside of the security screen.

Who’s directly responsible, if not the President? It’s been two years and he could change anything he wants with an executive order. But he’ll never do that because he totally supports the BushCo fascist agenda.

1.”your underwear”. Not “you’re underwear”. Proofreading can be your friend and spare you embarrassing moments of intellectual sloppiness.
2. Research the Kurt Haskell account about the “bomber” and his escort through the airport.
3. Pay also particular attention to published ties to the US government from those that have attempted to discredit Haskell.
4. Reclaim control of appropriate suspicion.

Goldberg? I’d rather listen to Becks conspiracy theories than that ‘journalist’ hack.

So, because he did not have time to stop at a rest room his story is BS to you? If you do not already work for the TSA I suspect they would be keen to hire you.

“…but I call BS on the part where he says he had to walk through the airport and board the plane and wait for takeoff before cleaning up. He could have stopped at the restroom before getting on the plane.”

Lying POS. There are NO BATHROOMS after you enter the screening/patdown area, you jackass.

Go F$CK yourself.

You mean like a privilege won for us by warrior generations of years past? Like the ‘privilege’ of free assembly on a public conveyance, or the ‘privilege’ of being free from unreasonable arrest search or seizure?

EVERY single incident of terrorist ‘ATTACK’ has EVADED security.

The ‘terrorists’, and I use that term loosely, must be having a great laugh as our inept elected non-leaders rush to feel around peoples genitalia and in the process removing our constitutional freedoms.

Let the airlines hire their own screening agents and make their own policies to keep the flying system safe. I dont fly. Taxes I pay should not be going to protect the airlines business.

The American form of liberty (for other nations made that claim too – including Britain) was premised in the freedom of the individual. That individuals would, or could or should unite to form a bigger entity did not remove any of that individual Liberty, but it could affect how groups of free individuals interacted to preserve that liberty – there was a civil war fought over that issue. The ‘safety’ of the individual was never a consideration of that liberty he had, right from the start liberty required risk.

So now we’re being sold a trade mark brand of Liberty where the ‘safety’ of the person sitting beside you for an hour or two, and in a roundabout way yours, too, requires the abrogation of every body elses’ right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness by a government agency. Had that been the premise of liberty, we’d still be singing God Save the Queen and Wills might be marrying a Boston girl.

You have to speak German to them. They are trained by old NAZI camp guards.
Bitte um den Urinbeutel vorsichtig! see, its easy

Maybe he was late or there were Congressmen with wide stances lurking about the restrooms. We don’t know all the details.

This pat down and screenings by TSA has got to STOP!

There has got to be a better way. Besides, it is a violations of our Constitutional Rights!

i think this is great ! ! !

the fucking fascist pricks may have just gone ‘too far’ (FINALLY), and we will start The Revolution (Part III, in 3D)…

we won’t get pissed about killing millions of innocent brown people the world over…
we won’t get pissed over the constitution being shredded…
we won’t get pissed over losing all our basic rights…
we won’t get pissed over spending all our money on the War Machine…
we won’t get pissed over torturing…
we won’t get pissed over our Masters of the Universe wrecking the economy and stealing ALL OUR FUCKING MONEY…
but…

but, The State molesting kids to keep us ‘safer’ (sic), feeling up our wimmenfolk, and touching our ‘junk’ will FINALLY get the sheeple pissed off enough to STOP THIS POLICE STATE…

good, about fucking time…
(sharpening my pitchfork and dipping my torches…)

art guerrilla
aka ann archy
artguerrilla@windstream.net
eof

This policy is a disgrace to the the Constitution and the Bill of Rights that explicitly prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures. Appalling. Michael Chertoff, the former Director of Homeland Security, is the world’s top salesman and promoter of the TSA scanners — because, he is a principal stakeholder in their manufacture, and he profits heavily from their sale. Chertoff admitted recently that Michael Hayden, a former Director of Central Intelligence, is on his board along with several other former CIA officers. Shameful. This is government corruption at its worst.

Yeah, yeah… blah, blah, bend over and like it, blah, blah, blah.

The fact that they’re completely unnecessary and that they do nothing at all LIKE “guarantee flight safety” clearly mean nothing to you… whatever the government says is “necessary,” you seem all too eager to comply with, IMHO.

I bet you’re one of those witless “I don’t care if they wiretap me without a warrant… I’ve got nothing to hide” sheeple as well.

as a dog-person, and dobie owner (my last good girl died a couple years ago after 11 years), i resent that… the first dobie i owned, was a 140 pound lapdog who would not bite ANYONE for ANY reason (UNLESS they attacked me)… he was a goofy clown who loved everyone…

dobermanns are NOT ‘bad dogs’, vicious, or otherwise more aggressive than other dogs…
they may be more protective of their owners than most, and it is obvious that a mad dobie is a threat, while a mad chihuahua is a joke; but they are not hair-triggered ‘attack’ dogs bent on killing everything…

now, having said that, ANY dog can be ‘broken’, and turned into a ‘bad’, vicious dog… the thing is, the slime balls who do such things to make ‘guard’ dogs, etc, obviously pick big, muscular dogs for such things (german shepherds, rottweilers, dobies, etc), because a ‘broken’, mad dog dachshund is just not the threat a big dog would be…

ALL dogs go to heaven…
(and all humans can go to hell…)

art guerrilla
aka ann archy
artguerrilla@windstream.net
eof

Okay, but Google translate is no German. It’s gibberish.

A huge lawsuit is in order for all of this nonsense.

I have a close relative who manages baggage operations at a major US east coast airport. About two months ago I complained to her that items often go missing from my checked bags when I travel in the US. I have always assumed that it was the baggage handlers who were responsible. She was adamant that they are too closely watched now and it is the TSA people, who having either opened or X rayed a bag and found that someone was dumb enough to leave an Iphone or piece of jewelry in it, will often just pocket it. They can open bags surreptitiously without leaving evidence now because they have keys to all common bag locks and the back door to combination locks.

I think we should outlaw driving on our freeways – almost 40,000 people die each year! And thousands die in their own bathrooms – so let’s return to outdoor plumbing! And thousands are killed by relatives with a handgun, so let’s not sell guns to relatives! (Whoops, NRA overruled that one…..)

Not so, THEY DO CHECK BABIES. My granddaughter of 14 months went through their horrible procedures.

This is what happens when you take a person who one day is bagging groceries at Safeway and the next day give him a badge and an attitude.

The Jordanians had a plane blown up once and vowed it would never happen again. We flew Royal Jordanian airlines in the mid 80s with plenty going on in that part of the world. Before boarding, all carry on luggage was hand searched while the passenger stood there. When we boarded the plane, our luggage searchers were the ones flying security with us. Guess what- the Jordanians haven’t lost another plane.

Say again? I do not hear anyone hollering over not having enough harassment in the name of security in any other scenario. For example, how many bus riders are demanding pat downs before they board the number 10 bus to work?

Dumba$$ mf. There are no boarding gates in the screening patdown area, you id10t.

F$ck yourself twice.

Concern for the well being (not wellbeing) of one’s countrymen is not advocating the violation of their rights, privileges and dignity for no good reason. This system guarantees nothing, other than justifiable passenger outrage. Concern is having the courage to stand up to senseless invasions of privacy such as this policy represents. Perhaps the US could regain some of its former respect and support around the world if more people had the courage to defend the values America was founded upon.

I don’t need someone with a third grade command of the English language to tell me that I should bend over and take it from an increasingly paranoid, violent, corrupt and invasive government. As far as flying being a privilege not a right is concerned, first, this is an irrelevant observation given the context of this discussion, and secondly, considering the alternatives available to people traveling outside of their home towns it is a necessity, not a privilege. Funny ain’t it??

“…on the part where he says…”

Comprehension-challenged? That means that a *portion* of the story is suspect, not the entire story.

If you have something to say, say it on the forum. By implication
you are deliberately casting doubt on the person’s entire account.

Maybe the airport was in a field? Maybe unicorns escorted him personally to the airplane? We’re given remarkable detail about the pat-down search including expressions from the TSA guards, yet skips over the one key logical detail which would explain why he was *forced* to sit in urine until after takeoff? That’s sensationalistic, manipulative or both. It earns the earmark of BS. He may very well have had his urine bag breeched by cold, heartless TSA guards, but the claim that he *had* to board the plane and wait until after takeoff before he could clean up is suspect.

The mere fact that he HAD to clean himself up is an outrage, regardless of whether it was before or after he boarded the flight. Suspend your inspection of that tree. There is an entire forest here.

Or you could say, “careful, i’ve got crabs”, or “could you scratch some too, i think i’ve got crabs?”

[...] might break the seal if they weren’t careful during the invasive pat downs. The TSA agents ignored this and then, of course, broke the seal, resulting in the man walking through the airport and onto his [...]

If we do not stop these people (TSA) they will start giving us colon exams in broad daylight.

you think you still have a constitution ahhaha. We havent had one for years who are you kidding.

HAHAHAHA Constitutional Rights! Where have you been. Just shut up and do what you are told

Fire those jerks IMMEDIATELY. No BS “sensitivity training”. If at ANY time, you thought that abusiveness was appropriate, you don’t deserve the badge, and you can’t be “trained” out of that kind of stupidity.

You probably do not get the Scanner Chertoff connection do you. The connection between terrorist and the baby that the family boarding a plane in Kansas City is taking home to Grammas in Atlanta is a little vague. Maybe if the family was just asked if they were the last ones to change the diaper.

Stop the right-wing anti-SEIU talking points. TSA is still non-union. Thanks to the FLRA, they finally get a vote on whether or not to unionize early next year. SEIU is not one of the unions trying to represent them.

http://www.federaltimes.com/article/20101115/PERSONNEL03/11150302/1025/DEPARTMENTS03

Perhaps none of this would be happening if they were unionized. Federal employee unions have been very good at calling attention to such ridiculous practices before they happen.

I did that in 1999 – bought a one way ticket out of that country. and I have never regretted it, not once!

My wife traveled from Santa Barbara to Bozeman MT. Two bottles of wine were well packed and in foam cases. Opening the bag in MT, the red wine bottle was broken. The two foam carry cases for the wine were empty, glass and wine all over the contents. The contents of the bag looked like it had been intentionally stirred around, even the contents of the toiletry bag had been dumped into the mix.

wear a bathing suit during the security inspection.

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This is a policy issue and less an issue with the employees doing the actual screening. Those in charge of the federal government need to change or the onerous policies won’t change.

If anyone thinks that Obama has any control over the direction of this then you must think that we live in a Democratic governmental system. We live in a Capitalist society and we are controlled by corporations who who provide consumer goods and our enforcement and protection has been outsourced to private contractors. Obama has as much power as a parent over an unruley 17 year old.

Why did we give up our freedom so easily?
Why didn’t we question anything during the bush years.
If they think I will sit down and shut up with this new republican congress, they are mistaken.

“… the pat-down procedure, which involves the touching of breasts and genitals, was simply a bullying technique meant to get passengers inside the full body scanner. … ‘

and why do they want to bully you into the scanner:

becasue it would make chertoff happy … he will be making money

Chertoff: 9/11, Katrina and now airport scanners

http://www.theprogressivemind.info/?p=51153

Chertoff-Lobbyists and Airport Scanners

http://www.politicolnews.com/chertoff-lobbyists-and-airport-scanners/

The Airport Scanner Scam

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/01/airport-scanner-scam

They already did the plane thing. Why would a terrorist go through the trouble of building a bomb and then try and get it on a plane. The bomb could be as large as they want to make it and packed in a car, truck or worn as a vest. It is sensational to think about the plane thing constantly and keeps the Chertoffs of the world with a strong demand for their product.

If we are going to be targetted by someone there are plenty of tunnels, water distribution systems, bridges and electrical systems that would cause us damage. To do that they do not need to disguise themselves as Real Americans from Oklahoma and hide explosives under their scrotums.

AND, yes I just hinted at profiling. It would be much better to profile instead of an eight year old girl being checked to make sure that she does not have explsoves hidden by her labias. How long will she be terrified by that.

were you silent during the last Congresses, what finally happened to open your eyes now??

if done properly, that isn’t all bad. There are many right wingers who would line up for the training and the job.

“tsa does NOT check babies.” really … maybe you better watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT30LWH8p4E

I think the problem is that now it is out there in the airports Obama is afraid if he discontinues the practice he will be blamed if something happens.

I was not silent, but not as vocal as I should have been. I wrote a letter to the New York Times that was printed, it against the war.
I wrote on blogs and Congressmen and Senators. Has anyone else been angry, that for the most part, you cannot email a Congressmen/Senator that does not represent your state?

I was referring to us, We the people, and the media. We were silent or cowed by the administration and Fox news.

Never again!!!!!

We didn’t give up our freedom so easily. Many books were written, millions protested, countless online petitions were signed but the elite knows US better than than that. They know we are not going to give up our lives to fight the few who are going to profit. Those few are bought and paid for by people who have their own planes. These people are the true terrorists in 5000 dollar suits eating 500 dollar lunches.

Big man, pig man, ha ha charade you are.
You well heeled big wheel, ha ha charade you are.
And when your hand is on your heart,
You’re nearly a good laugh,
Almost a joker,
With your head down in the pig bin,
Saying “Keep on digging.”
Pig stain on your fat chin.
What do you hope to find.
When you’re down in the pig mine.
You’re nearly a laugh,
You’re nearly a laugh
But you’re really a cry.

Hey you, Whitehouse,
Ha ha charade you are.
You house proud town mouse,
Ha ha charade you are
You’re trying to keep our feelings off the street.
You’re nearly a real treat,
All tight lips and cold feet
And do you feel abused?
…..! …..! …..! …..!
You gotta stem the evil tide,
And keep it all on the inside.

We’re not even talking about screening equipment.

Ignore this troll.
All AC is here for is to annoy everyone.

Are these comments moderated here at Raw Story?
If so perhaps you might warn this person for going around and calling folks morons and trolling?
Just saying.

AC is here to annoy you, nothing else.

This is exactly what happens when under-trained, marginal employees
are given authority over others far beyond their maturity and
intellectual capabilities. This sounds like a case of willful
destruction. Wine bottles are incredibly strong, I know from
dropping one on a tile floor and being pleasantly surprised when it
did not break. Unfortunately, one has no real recourse when something
like this occurs.

AC only wants a reaction from you.

Ignore the right wing troll.

IF I ever get chosen, I will absolutely request the enhanced pat-down, and then comment the whole time that he will enjoy touching my private parts, although I’ll be much more graphic. Bully them right back.

The TSA is all smoke and mirrors anyway, no real enhancement in security. Of course, that is all the entire conservative movement is, smoke and mirrors, with nothing of substance.

At one point, I was one of the people hired to train TSA screeners. I got a contract where they flew me to OK, trained me to do the job, then trained me to teach the job. We were flown to airports around the country to teach people how to be screeners. For the most part, these people are bottom of the barrel. Really, who applies for a $35K/year government job in CA or MA or anywhere else where $35K/year is chump change?

1.2 I do proof read but it interferes with my drunk tweeting.
2.2 Kurt Haskell is a blogger.
3.2 You can solve that problem by applying a reasonable burden of proof and skepticism to both Haskell and people trying to discredit him.
4.20 yes

Yeah, until they realize that they have to use their hands and not their cocks.

If only…

I take it you don’t fly much. You know, that whole long security line and small amount of time to make it to the airplane thing.

You show no empathy, you must be a conservative.

Strange, I’ve seen plenty. Sorry about your airport.

I think people are over reacting about the pat downs.

We could do something like create a database based on intelligence so the focus would be more on suspected passengers but so far I have yet to hear an argument about that being just as if not more invasive as a body pat down. So I can only conclude that even though this issue is becoming mainstreamed there’s really no serious debate about what’s being done past peoples perception of real privacy.

[scenario 1]
A strange man pats you down while explaining from a script exactly what he’s doing. You’re now walking towards your arriving flight.

[scenario 2]
A strange man pulls you towards the side area. He calmly asks you a series of ‘verifying’ questions then proceeds to ask about a specific web site you visited about a month ago and lastly the questioning ends up inquiring about your intentions while putting gas in your car at the corner market on the other side of your town.
You’re now walking towards your arriving flight.

don’t include me in that last sentence of yours. YOU may have been cowed by Fox, not I

When you are planning on killing them.

[...] These TSA dim whits are not trained to deal, nor does it appear that they care or are empathetic to passengers with medical conditions.  The TSA lumps any out of the norm situation as is they were dealing with a [...]

I would have taken the remaining urine from the bag and baptized the Agent in the name of the GD Document. Pilots and Stewardess and Stewards are exposed to high levels of radiation from flying and now they will be more exposed to radiation from the Scanners, screw them all. Never say the word “Tabasco” to a TSA Nazi at Newark. Power to the People. Love ShaJ from Wired.

We DID question the entire charade during the W admin. But the terrified public, undereducated, over-medicated and afraid of authority, re-elected the fools.

[...] These TSA dim whits are not trained to deal, nor does it appear that they care or are empathetic to passengers with medical conditions.  The TSA lumps any out of the norm situation as is they were dealing with a [...]

Those who are too young to remember the run-up to Nazi Germany might want to read an article or two.

in eastern europe, in the fifties, the secret police forced many people to drink their own urine…
millions of people died hoping the americans will come and liberate their countries…

The last “terrorist” episode was one of those pre-election day events that gets the right wing base juiced up for a big vote. This time, it had the added benefit of delivering to the security industry a windfall profit from the ordering and implementation of the x-ray machines, and of justifying the use of these machines, and the alternative “enhanced pat-downs”, as privacy violations. The explosives from Yemen were conveniently designed to normalize the security searches in the US. Billions of dollars are invested in enhanced security. It’s worth the cost to set up a false flag operation in order for a normalization of privacy violations to have a modicum of acceptance. Of course, the corporatist media delivers this news to the public, and now a vast majority of the population has accepted the violation of their privacy as a necessary evil.

It was beautifully executed in classic “Disaster Capitalism” fashion.

And we’re all suckers.

This is being called guilty until proven innocent. Our country was founded because of this kind of nonsense. I’ve traveled abroad and had one of their ‘interrogations’. The worst that happened to me was I caught off guard by a legitimate question. The questioner was so polite, I felt no indignity whatsoever. The whole process was less time than a body scanner or pat down. I was not thrown to the ground, patted down, nor had any of my body parts molested.

The enemies of America rejoice at the TSA and their constant assaults on American citizens. 1000 Bin Ladens couldnt have hoped to accomplish what Americans are completely willing to do to themselves.

I think with the TSA America has officially crossed over into being an authoritarian country. We can no longer call ourselves free or democratic.

Don’t take it personally. At this time there really isn’t a pushback that’s worth the investment in time and money. Avenues of dialog were cut off long ago. Obama had a great campaign in 2008 because he spoke to the huge segments of the population that really wanted change that included communication between them and the powerful elite that Obama potentially represented. Once Obama got in office, he turned his back on his base. With the media gone corporatist, with the Dems playing footsy with corporatists, with billions being spent of the corporatists’ agenda, the rest of us have been cut off from engagement in political discourse. FoxNews is only one of the firewalls built to cut us off.

What’s left are actual demonstrations in the streets of the US. But that will only occur when the unemployed get desperate enough to (turn off their TVs and) risk their well-being. The working middle-class and working poor are struggling too much to take time off for demonstrations. Once there’s nothing left to lose, we’ll see the streets filled with angry people, long-ago enraged at the ruling elites, but finally realizing that their plight has profound consequences for themselves and their children.

Who’s going to fire them? YOU?

Not a bad idea, actually. They could get those small cameras up our colons and look around, not only for C4 plastic explosives, but also for polyps. We could go to the airports for one stop shopping. And it could all be for the price of a plane ticket.

Bag of peanuts, anyone?

“National Security” now trumps Constitutionally-protected liberties. Remember Bush 43 saying, “Sometimes money trumps peace”? Well…?

Look… millions of people were led into gas chambers and furnaces and firing squads and mass burial sites before being summarily executed in the Nazi era. What makes you think that “they’ve gone too far” this time? They can go as far as they want until they’re stopped by a force greater than they are. But at this time, there is no opposing force. The foxes are, indeed, running the hen house, with no one to stop them.

TO get into the safety deposit box vault in my bank, I input a 5-digit code and a handprint.

Why can’t TSA pre-qualify most flyers and use a system like this to identify those not in need of screening?

It wouldn’t be more expensive, far less so I think.

when i flew out to see mom in 2008, thought i’d be on the no-fly but wasn’t… but was sure on some list… wouldn’t let me board twice at la guardia due to an expired driver’s license, though i had other photo ID. then this goon at security stole my gucci gold nail clipper of great sentimental value to me; put into his shirt pocket with a vulgar leer. once i finally was allowed to board, found that he had also stolen my lunch and cashews… weapons? then in denver, after i walked a mile for a camel, found my suitcase missing. next thing i’m in custody of TSA being strip-searched. leaving boise, i was the only person out of some 50 who was strip-searched. denver… you guessed it.

all of this airport security has yet to catch a single terrorist. what it has accomplished is to get the public to mooooooo and baaaaaaaa like a chorus.

I would not be so passive-aggressive. I would certainly not be so passive as the “Don’t touch my junk” guy (hero though he is). Here’s MY script.

1. I WILL refuse to go through the naked cancer causing pervert machine.
2. I will inform the TSA pansy that I will go along with a pat-down up until the point it becomes sexual assault.
3. I will inform said TSA pansy that it becomes sexual assault when/if he touches my balls, my dick, or grabs my ass.
4. I will inform said TSA pansy that I will exercise my ABSOLUTE human right of self-defense to physically respond to a sexual assault.
5. I will inform TSA pansy that he may go ahead with the pat-down but I expect him to keep in the forefront of his mind my promised response to sexual assault.

I would LOVE to drop one of those pantywaist Gestapo-Lite retards like a bag of sand.

I can not help but conclude that the scanners and pat downs weren’t implemented just to judge how much abuse and humiliation the population will accept in the name of security. Given the mindless masses’ general quiescence over the violation of their rights in the most degrading way imaginable I can not wait to see what this test was meant to prepare us for.

You need more education. It says: “Ask for the urine bag carefully.”

The desperate.

This is the type of job that the Milton Friedman/GOP just thinks is hunky-dory. THEY are excused from the muss and fuss (they get to pass go) AND the prols doing the job are paid slave wages with zero benefits. Win-win for the GOP, Wall Street, Milton Friedmanites, Libertarians, and DLC Democraps.

The desperate.

This is the type of job that the Milton Friedman/GOP just thinks is hunky-dory. THEY are excused from the muss and fuss (they get to pass go) AND the prols doing the job are paid slave wages with zero benefits. Win-win for the GOP, Wall Street, Milton Friedmanites, Libertarians, and DLC Democraps.

But it would nothing to gin up the fear based society necessary to kill people all of the world so we can steal their shit.

All the extra attention and you think he had lots of time? It could well be that he was pressed for time to catch his flight.

You are a prick.

I’m not suprised you have a bunch of trained monkeys making what, 8.50 an hour. What do you expect. Do you think that they give a fuck? For 8.50 an hour I not giving much of shit either.

I choose Amtrak over air travel whenever possible. FAR more comfortable (HUGE open spaces for leg room – I kid you not). FAR smoother ride. Free to use your electronic gizmos ALL THE TIME. You may get up and move around whenever you feel like it. There are bar and diner cars that serves fairly decent food!

There is NO strip searching, NO x-rays, NO fondling, NO harassment, NO Gestapo-Lite thugery. And it is cheaper (usually) to boot.

Take the train AND push for more light rail and passenger rail at the expense of air travel.

I’m old; maybe I can get in all my travel before that. For the rest of you with any oomph, re-read the second amendment.

Why? Because these underpaid frustrated “Brown Shirt “losers wouldn’t get the perk of grabbing a good looking guy’s nads or a hot girls tits, or taking out their frustrations on some innocent victim intimidated by authority!! Assholes!! Unfortunately your logic has no place in a TSA that has struck sweet deals with the manufacturers of the scanners and this useless piece of shit called Home Security! Greasing sweaty palms as usual!! Any more questions?

oops! Meant Homeland Insecurity

obviously you don’t have an ostomy of any kind. i do…it’s not that fast and easy, even in your own bathroom. a real hassle in a stall, when you’re in a hurry and trying to get to your plane in time to get on it. i’ve pondered how to handle that very situation. there are millions of ostomates in this country concerned about what is a hidden medical condition. it’s not BS, it’s reality for us.

obviously you don’t have an ostomy of any kind. i do…it’s not that fast and easy, even in your own bathroom. a real hassle in a stall, when you’re in a hurry and trying to get to your plane in time to get on it. i’ve pondered how to handle that very situation. there are millions of ostomates in this country concerned about what is a hidden medical condition. it’s not BS, it’s reality for us.

I really liked your blog! Thank you!

You still can do all of this, if you are a congressman or senator.

Sadly the sheepeople who support this useless effort to “catch” a terrorists do not read books, or believe accounts that are contrary to the emotional reactions that they have to statistacally improbable danger.

In other words: “Don’t try to tell me what you know when what I “feel” is different!”

Right, like me. I have no choice but to fly to see clients, at least two weeks out of the month. It has become about as much fun as a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.

To those who say you don’t need to be concerned if you have nothing to hide, I always reply: Do you have a pound of cocaine in your underwear drawer? No? Well then it is okay for me to rifle through your panties.

Finally, the trickle down promised by Raygun.

Saying it’s being guilty until proven innocent or being molested is hyperbole in light of the reality of what’s happening.

All I’m saying is with all the mainstreaming of this issue during the past few days there really hasn’t been much of a convincing argument. I understand people are getting an emotional response every time someone describes security pat downs as molestation.

If no one can give me an argument that isn’t an emotional plea then I’m sorry but my stance on TSA pat downs remains positive.

The TSA did a good job … 61 year old retired teachers (and cancer survivors) are usually terrorists.

First you’d have to prove that terrorism is being used to sell product. Which even though we both can find blogs that talk about it that doesn’t hold up as proof. Plus not only have you taken up a rumor to be fact you’re now downgrading the fact there exist terrorist willing to try and bring bombs on planes to be some sort of rumor.

That’s way too much flexing of reality for me to take it as a serious argument.

When I was younger, I wanted to save up some money and go and travel across America for a couple of weeks…

Now… I just see a propagnada-enduced paranoid mess, a government by corporations for corporations, America’s certainly lost it’s charm, lost it’s credibility and lost any validity in claims that it is the land of the free.

It’s sad to see what has become of a nation I used to be excited about visiting.

Oh well, I’ll take my money and spend in on a vacation elsewhere.

I feel your pain. I’m on the road 3 weeks out of the month.

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Both the invasive pat downs (like as if you’re being booked into jail) or the super body scanners are unnecessary. If terrorists are dedicated to bring a plane down they’ll find a way to work around these.
It does far more damage to handover our rights to privacy and dignity.
For people to say that they ‘don’t mind it for that sense of security’ I would remind them of Ben Franklin’s famous line …” They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety ”

Oh, I am aware that it is a troll. And a real bad one at that too. Whoever it is trolling for, I hope they get to check out the posts and pay it accordingly which should be less than a factory worker in China.

The Cubans lost a plane too in 1974 and were bombed inside the country. They now wand everybody coming into from abroad and search their luggage. There has been no repeat either.

What exactly is it that you are saying? Better yet, what is it that I am agreeing to with you?

Ugh! Noise cancelling earphones, own snacks in carry on bag, kindle
and mpeg player, sleeping pill for night flights, no checked bags
ever, Boing Internet account, resveratrol and melatonin for jet lag.
Happy flying.

like they said in russia, ‘they pretend to pay us. we pretend to work!’

As a parent I would by far rather have my child tell the officer why he wasn’t at school three weeks ago (bronchitis) And tell same officer why I turned in a school paper two days late (travel to parents house) than have a person I have never met see my naked body or touch my boys in parts of their bodies that should never be touched by people they do not know and are not family! Most people don’t have that interesting of lives. School/work home Shopping worship and trips to family members comprise 95% of all activities most people do any given week. Because of this there is no reason for most people to be afraid to tell a stranger that *SHOCK* they went shopping/family visiting/to Work or school.

Necessity? What necessity? Better yet whose necessity?

Before actually. What you describe is closer than you think.

I wish it were only the banksters. Look at every area of the economy and tell me what you see. For example, look at this in today’s NYT:

Consumer Risks Feared as Health Law Spurs Mergers
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/21/health/policy/21health.html?_r=1

“Now, eight months into the new law there is a growing frenzy of mergers involving hospitals, clinics and doctor groups eager to share costs and savings, and cash in on the incentives. They, in turn, have deployed a small army of lawyers and lobbyists trying to persuade the Obama administration to relax or waive a body of older laws intended to thwart health care monopolies, and to protect against shoddy care and fraudulent billing of patients or Medicare.”

The Second Amendment? What is that?

I hope y’all realize we’ve been had one more time. Look here, the corporate media is now running with this story. If nothing else (and with the Teabaggers and townhall meetings being the perfect example), when the corporate media is good enough to “report” on something, look behind the scenes and see what’s lurking in the dark. Chances are, it’s money. So, here we go again:

TSA has met the enemy — and they are us

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101121/ap_on_re_us/us_airport_security_backlash

They’re now pushing really hard for that privatization of the TSA. Once that transfer is done, the sheeple will be brainwashed into believing that things are better now because the sexual molestation and radiation are being performed by a private contractor that charges us only three times more than TSA. And all of that is good, really, really good.

I give up! ~throws arms up in the ear~

Why on earth would a potential terrorist go through the trouble of smuggling a carry-on bomb? If you want to keep a plane on the ground- or better yet- lock down an entire airport for hours, just go to your local Wal-Mart and buy a cheap hunting rifle with a scope. One cracked window on a plane and it’s not going anywhere. Likewise, leaking fuel tanks are pretty bad, too. Take one good shot and it’s Miller Time.

Seriously, folks- the rest of the world is laughing at US security procedures. They’re so superficial it’s obvious they’re designed to intimidate the public and at the same time make them think the government can really protect against any and all threats. Face it, TSA, you’re guarding against tactics that are already old news. When will we be regaled with lurid tales of the Butt-Bomber since the shrieking talking heads are up in arms about scanners not picking up on internally-carried items?

I got patted down rather intimately at my airport; I told the female attendant if she was going to touch my breasts like that then she’d have to buy me dinner first. This has been happening for years. I’m not going to fly; instead I will take other means of transportation. This whole Safety Theater is ridiculous. Who’s it for? Likely the stakeholders in the Body Scanner machines, and yes the TSA attendants make about $8 and hour and likely can’t get hired anywhere else. Our country is going to hell in a hand basket all the terrorists did was push a little closer to the precipice.

Go ahead with the civil lawsuit before the GOP institutes ‘tort reform’ and destroys the legal system even further. Tort is there FOR the little guy to stand up to the Big Guys.

KNOT (below or above) has it exactly right. Just because something stinks, you blame SEIU. You must be very young to not understand what unions stand for. This is exactly why union busting started with Reagan in the 80s. PATCO was the test. You know… Professional Air Traffic Controllers… The GOP owns this mess from beginning to end!

So that they too will soon be “too big to fail.”
The hustlers are after us tooth and nail.

I bet if the 8/ hr. tsa employees new that they might get the shit kicked out of them they would be less likely to report for work. the whole system would grind to a halt. lets just tune up some of these tsa goons; they are easy to spot as they always wear the uniform to and from the airport.

Happy Holidays Denny.
Jesus what next ??

Us too !
We were to be in NYC for the Holiday. Forget it. We are gonna be here in Oregon working at the homeless shelter. This Sh!t has pushed matters over out edge.

I don’t think they just want to keep them on the ground. I think they want them to crash.

US Police State
Heroic Homeland

Actually, a private contractor has even less “juice” than a true fed so if they privatize it, then I will feel even MORE empowered to say “go to hell” when they try to feel me up.

Rental cops aren’t REAL cops. Rent-a-soldier (mercs like Xe/Blackwater thugs) aren’t REAL soldiers. Rent-a-TSA aren’t REAL security.

No corporation has a right to touch me on the arm, let alone the balls.

the TSA has become a monster with dictatorial powers. The agents are ill trained and show no understanding of privacy to others.

If any TSA agent would touch my genitals I would reach out and grab his balls or her tits. Here them yell!!!!

OK, you first.

Did this guy just imply that the terrorists’ goal is to keep planes on the ground and lock down airports?

Good luck to you. I look forward to watching that video of you getting shot by the private contractors that have “even less juice” at your local airport.

What you say is true;but I think Johnny Warbucks made a point about ‘privatization’,which to me is a euphemism for corporatism- fascism. The renta-thugs will be empowered and protected by the State ,at 3-4 times the cost, to grope and intimidate for profit.All payed for by the sheeple.

Yep. It’s open war, man, open war. Pretty soon, they’ll be nothing left so they’ll start killing us and making us pre-pay for the funeral before they do it.

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Wow that totally ticks me off dude. the TSA is such a pathetic JOKE. Biggest WASTE of an agency there is.

http://www.privacy-tools.edu.tc

i don’t think it will take three weeks … they went into shock after flights were grounded after 9/11 and it only took two/three days before they totally melted down, so in three you may need a defibrillator to revive them

“… 9/11 was on a Tuesday. They started a few flights on Thursday and ramped up to a few more flights on Friday 9/14.. “

Yeah, I like your method better

Actually, most people get these jobs for government benefits.

Fearless Fatherland

I think you are right. Wouldn’t it be amazing if Thanksgiving Weekend, there was a boycott of the airlines.

Every being can learn from the example of Rosa Parks. She inspired future generations – let’s exemplify her teachings…

We don’t need to fly. Maybe that’s the Handler’s goal. Ok.

Let’s make them eat it…

Just follow all of the Lemmings over the cliff…

Wow, glad I don’t live in that barbaric third world shithole of a country holy shit, how uneducated do you have to be to apply for this shit.

I mean really if they have no education on basic anatomy and common medical conditions they are completely useless and the person in charge of hiring and training them should be nailed to a wall naked as an example to those that might come later.

That’s what this is all bout is making an example out of people.

You convince a cow to walk to certain death by convincing the cows in front and behind to move in that direction.

We need a new form of security instead of just the illusion of security that we have now

Hey, y’all! Just got this update from the NYT (when I went to the site I couldn’t find it). Hang on tight, this could be the mother of all false flags we’ve been waiting/worrying about:

Breaking News Alert
The New York Times
Sun, November 21, 2010 — 5:42 PM ET
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Emergency Units Responding to Reports of Fire on Plane at Kennedy Airport

More than 100 firefighters are at John F. Kennedy Airport in
Queens awaiting the arrival of a plane that is said to be on
fire, according to the fire department.

The fire department received a call shortly after 5 p.m. that
an airborne plane was on fire. In response, 25 units and 106
members were dispatched the airport.

“We are there on standby waiting for it to land,” said a
spokesman for the fire department. “Unclear if it’s the
engine or a wing.”

Read More:
http://www.nytimes.com?emc=na

May the Flying Spaghetti Monster helps us all!

It went where those who voted chose for it to go.

The translation of this story is this. The US is still pissing all over our rights. And we get humiliation as collateral damage.

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i’m with you 100% on that, but my dark side says that for every person that would uphold a boycotte there will be 3 people saying “oh good, that will give ME a better seat on the plane”. sorry i’m so jaded.

when the atm’s started charging larger fees (in the 90′s) and people started to complain, i would tell them to boycott and not use the atm’s that they could go to a grocery or drug store chain (like jewel or walgreens) and get cash there (at the time there was no restriction on the amount of cash you could get) … they looked at me like i just asked them pull their heart out through their butt

oh boy. or you could say, the TSA big brother routine should go down the drain

We stop flying. Airlines will take a hit where it hurts and throw their political weight to end this Obamanation of justice. I am an American and I have rights. So do you. Make our voice heard. Boycott airlines that support TSA. Send CEO’s a message this is their problem too. Not flying, picket airports the TSA runs with signs calling out this injustice to law-abiding Americans this Nov. 24th. Make a media event that can’t be ignored. Write all newly elected politicians. Demand they take action.

If they are ‘privatized’, there won’t be good benefits anymore. Remember too that the GOP wants to eliminate the minimum wage, –’cause, you know, everyone earns way too much money these days… (sarcasm-that last part)

I guess I’m saying there are better ways to handle airline safety than what we’re currently doing. Other countries have done a better job of protecting their citizens without resorting to crotch and boob grabbing and bullies deliberately mistreating innocent travelers. The other thing they’re not addressing is that other passengers are alert to any stupidity on board a plane and have helped restrain trouble makers before anything could happen. We can’t rely on that as a policy, but it’s a fact of life now. We all pretty much watch what others are up to.

by the middle of 2009 i was wishing mcnut had gotten elected because i felt that would have hasten the beginning of the revolution

The TSA “Too Stupid Agency” strikes again. There are no white suicide bombers, no Native American suicide bombers. no American born African American suicide bombers, and no Jewish suicide bombers. Suicide bombers come from abroad, Islamic African nations or Islamic Middle Eastern or Asian nations. Christians go to Hell for killing themselves. Hear that TSA?

Its pretty clear to me that the new “enhanced” gropings are intended solely to force people into the naked body scanners.

Why? Ask Chertoff what he’s made pimping the police state and you’ll know… and he’s just been a lobbyist.

Sir, try to be a bit more well informed before posting. Have you ever heard about an AMERICAN CITIZEN (WASP) who bombed a building in Oklahoma? There is intelligent life out of Fox news. Please, try it.

Yes, there are. In fact, only one action is necessary: stop invading Middle Eastern countries to steal their oil & buy it from them instead. All the “terrorism” will magically disappear.

As for alert passengers, I suppose you have something like this in mind, eh?

Passenger In Custody After Incident On U.S. Plane
http://www.speroforum.com/a/30443/Passenger-In-Custody-After-Incident-On-US-Plane

Flatulence forces emergency landing
American flight diverts to Nashville after woman lights match to mask gas
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16064706/

Now, that’s what I call being alert and watching what others are up to.

Smart, smart Amerikans…

LOL yea! I couldn’t board my plane home, because my ID expired 2 days before I was let out of the hospital. Good thing they don’t let you carrie iron in an airport cause I’d shot that SOB

Sir: Timothy McVeigh was executed by the federal government. He was not a suicide bomber. The post refers specifically to suicide bombers on airliners which is the brief of the TSA. It is very difficult to be a passenger, bombing an airliner without committing suicide unless you are D.B. Cooper. BTW the TSA isn’t responsible for protecting federal facilities. P.s.: I do not watch television or listen to Fox.

Boy I know those boys at the RNC are really hot …and jealous over this. They are fo’sho gonna be jammin’ those TSA lines now going through twice and shit.

Not yet, anyway. I read about HS vans parked outside a Greyhound terminal a few days ago.

That’s what I plan to do if I EVER fly again.

You’re absolutely right that we need to keep our noses out of the middle east. My sister and brother in law lived in Afghanistan with Peace Corps in the 70s and then taught in Jordan in the 80s. I heard a whole different side to what I heard from American media when I talked to my family about what was going on. Backing Israeli treatment of Palestinians and then the whole oil thing will keep us in the crosshairs of angry Arabs and rightly so. We really do need to mind our own business and take care of our own problems first. Our only concern in the middle east should be humanitarian aid where and when it’s needed.

WORD.

you sounded reasonable until you made an unnecessary and gradeschoolish personal remark. now you sound like a childish dickbag. congratulations on undermining your own credibility!

digging your av.

“1.2 I do proof read but it interferes with my drunk tweeting.”
*snort*

awesome

US citizen/property directed terrorism started only *after* US government initiated harm in other countries. But of course, those financially or politically profiting from US military action – or incapable/unwilling to read fairly recent history – will always claim that terrorists “hate us because we’re free”. Stop the terrorism directed at USers at the source – the US government’s overt and covert military actions overseas.

And in the meantime, do *not* fly unless it is an absolute emergency requiring your physical presence. Airlines hurting at the bottom line will protest against the US government too on procedures put in place by government that causes loss of business. Vote with your dollars – not spending them on airline tickets is equal to a “None of the Above”, if such a choice actually existed on an election ballot.

*If* it is imperative to fly:
- Loudly proclaim objection to search/scan measures & complying *only* because of necessary flight or the coercion of the TSA’s threats of arrest & fines if you leave the airport at that point;
- Publicize why not flying;
- Take notes and/or record interactions with TSA if flying and publicize;
- Do not voluntarily associate with TSA agents – negative Social Preferencing;
- Publicize names and photos of TSA agents so that others can negatively Social Preference (TSA cannot operate as currently if very few individuals are willing to scan/grope);
- Be identifiable in all the above publicizing since anonymity does *not* engender highest level of support from others.

I emphasize withdrawing voluntary association with any TSA or other Homeland Security enforcer.
Please keep something in mind. The politicians and bureaucrats – rulers – do *not* get out into the field and enforce their own legislation/decrees/mandates/etc. Instead they depend on the enforcers to do the dirty work. Therefore the enforcers are the key!! Politicians and bureaucrats simply talk and write, even when it is to give orders.

Consequently the route with highest level and longest term potential for change is for large numbers of the non-enforcer population (which is the majority!) to make known to the enforcers they know personally their own dislike of government decrees/mandate/etc enforcement *and* why – the physical harm that is done to persons and/or property being a simple statement to make. For those enforcers who disregard such an approach (which recommended should include offers of assistance in finding a truly productive job) and continue in their positions, withdrawal of voluntary association is the appropriate next action, making it known to others so that they too can withdraw their association, adding to the persuasive effects. To continue voluntary association with such government enforcers is hypocritical of anyone who is opposed to these actions.

What reality are you in, because it sure as hell isn’t in this one. It is not the job of the President to carry out the policies of the former. You fail at Civics.

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Our era’s new trademark comment will become…”Don’t tell mom I’m a TSA agent…she thinks I play piano in a whorehouse.”

Any body remember when AMERICA use to be FREE. Notice the Racist, Nazi, Anti American republican and Brain Dead teabagger go for the RIGHTS of the individuals, but the ASSHOLE American bought the Anti American hype of the Race and Nazi Anti American Corporate Backed republicans and put these Nazis back in Office and what is the FIRST thing they do ATTACK Americas through the Bottom line Corporations and the BOUGHT and PAID for Anti American republican and teabagger SCUM and TRASH.

The IDIOT American hasn’t learned their lessons so we again are under attack by the ANTI AMERICAN racist, Nazi Fear and HATE mongering republican party who hasn’t met a Anti American Corporation that they wouldn’t SELL OUT too.

Since the President feels these steps are necessary, I am asking everyone to write the President and ask him to demonstrate for us on National TV how “non-invasive” and “easy” this process it. I want to have him, the First Lady and his daughters “patted” down on national TV so we all know how right it is to do this for our “Homeland”. If Mr. Pistole thinks it is right then he, Janet Napolitano, all Congress Persons should voluntarily go through the process each and every time they fly to prove to us the “rightness” of this. I am not Guilty Until Proven Innocent. Surely the Terrorists are at home watching TV and laughing their undies off at how they have won and turned us into Scared oeople wetting ourselves out of fear.

The TSA implements new security practices in response to the latest terrorist threat.

After the “shoebomber” tried his thing, we all had to remove our shoes and have them inspected. After the “underwear bomber” did his thing, we now have to have our genitals fondled by security personnel.

I am now waiting in trepidation for the “suppository bomber.” Soon we will all have to wait in line to bend over for TSA’s “rectal specialists” to do their thing!

Richard Reid and John Walker Lindh. Both American, both would-be suicide bombers. Also, Muslims, too, go to hell for committing suicide.
You should try to sort out your arse from your elbow before commenting.

Richard Reid was a Brit, born and raised in South London. Lindh was fighting in the Afghan army. Hardly a suicide bomber. You are saying London is a city in America? Have you ever been overseas?

Oops. My bad. Dickie Reid is British. Still wouldn’t have been profiled. White westerner, you know. Ditto Lindh. Would’ve zipped right through airport security.

I know how Muslims get to heaven, you silly rodent, and blowing up airplanes is not one of the routes. I may have been wrong about Reid’s nationality, but I’m pretty dang right about you not knowing your arse from your elbow, sh*t from shinola, or much of anything else.

The war on terror is a FRAUD. Everything about it is based upon lies and misinformation. Why are people so stupid that they continue to buy mainstream media propaganda and government disinfo? The Constitution is supposed to protect us from being presumed guilty until we prove our innocence by an irradiating naked body scanner or an aggressive public molestation pat down. What about unreasonable searches? I am quite certain this is unreasonable, especially since most of their victims are old men, well-endowed beautiful women, and lots of children. Sickos at the TSA

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so sad but so true.

so sad but so true.

Just bend over and take it you plebs. It isn’t as if it’s your country anyway. It is in hock to the Chinese and run by Israel, so just shut up and take your medicine. Your chance to stop it has passed and its all down hill from here.

You really think this will get Americans to get off their fat asses and do something about their runaway fascist state?

I suppose I always was a pessimist so my doubts can’t weigh much against such faith. I hope you’re right. Because here in the antipodes of the US empire it’s getting a bit tight too, but in our case we’re just tentacles we can’t even challenge our own system, for it isn;t ours.

Israel took control and Jewish bankers sold it to China if you want it in a nutshell. Meanwhile you inhabitants need to be brought down a few pegs, lose your pride and any sense of independence in preparation for losing your former privelages.

All part of the NWO as laid down by the CFR whose membership seems always to have the reigns in Washington anyway.

“The constitution just got sprayed with urine.”

Too bad it wasn’t sooner, then it might have put out the flames which were consuming many of it’s articles especially since 9/11.

All both of you are doing is highlighting is something many people and most independent observers consider to be obvious as day.

There is no fundamental difference between either of the acceptable alternatives on offer, ever. They are different gangs, with no principals between them who lust after power (such as a puppet has) and wealth (which is always around the public slop bucket)

They are mostly beholden to those who pay them the most money and wakey wakey yankey, ALL your laws are now belong to the corporations. They have free reign to give all they want and to both candidates if they want to, and they do. This ensures their control, and you are shut out.

Nobody who would hesitate to sell your organs to evil space mutants, pledge undying and primary allegiance to Israel and have you and your family f*cked over a cold table with pineapples, pointy end first, and give all your property to the bankers when they demended it, would ever even face selection.

More importantly I think is the adage that no security procedure devised by man is unbreachable. The moment you set a protocol in place, you set it up to be breached. Everyone who has ever done any time inside can tell you this. The inventiveness of men when they seek to subvert is quite extraordinary.

All we’re seeing usually is ridiculous bomb plots which would not have looked out of place in an early Doctor Who script (with apologies to the BBC). Stupid phony props, meant to seem scary to an uninformed even a misinformed public. As an explosives expert I have not seen a bomb plot of the those announced which have supposedly triggered this flurry of groping and denuding; which convinced me it was a functioning realistic device, quite apart from the hilarious keystone cops stories invariably attached to them.

The day a real terrorist actually arises, perhaps somebody with knowledge like mine in various fields and a bit of creativity, then there is no security procedure on earth which could stop it. Whatever you have in place, will be built into the solution. I have no intentions, but sometimes I wish somebody with some serious clues did show these pathetic clowns with their feeble games what angry men with brains really can do.
Then however I can assure you that the targets will not be other people, but the system, the government and its instituions and particularly its thug enforcers.
Terrorist attacks against the public, are always by their own governments.
Real terrorists target governments and their military.
Think about it, the logic is simple.

Never goin back. Mericans can have their military/police state. Goons are running amok! TSA, CIA, FBI, NSA, etc., etc. Murder incorporated.

I don’t know what all the fuss is about. I for one thoroughly enjoy the feel of a strong man’s hand in a latex glove firmly “patting down” my personal bits.

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how dare you make special requests of our government -and in a time of war. Be thankful the TSA didn’t make you drink the contents of that bag.

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Actually, when I get hired to sing that national anthem song at the like superbowl or maybe the local hockey rink, I’m going to sing it like this…
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And…the…home…of…the…terrified

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No it doesn’t say that.

It says “Please around the urine bag careful.”, which is gibberish. Period.

Why are you even arguing? I speak German, you don’t.

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