D’oh!

Bill’O is gonna be beet red over this one!

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

The truth can hurt, Fox is the racist network, no doubt about it.

too rich!

Not only that, but what the article doesn’t say is that in the opening scene, a bunch of media CEO’s decide to hype up a manufactured health crisis. Instead of the “swine flu” it’s the “cat flu”.

I used to love watching the Simpsons. I don’t watch FOX so my loss.

Since reruns benefit FOX, I don’t watch those either. Still my loss.

I’m not sure anything or anyone requires effort to be anti Republican…because no one can possibly portray the GOP in a worse light than they do all by themselves.

OMG the t-bgrs will go berserk, but i’m not sure if we’ll be able to tell the difference between the before and after

Thank goodness something with access to the public eye like the Simpsons can put the Fox News propaganda machine up for the ridicule and discrediting it deserves. Yay Simpsons!

psssst….jackie…. the simpsons are like ‘Shellack’ Obama’s transparency in government…. not real!!

Like on Tuesday election day?

What I learned from this is that with Obama as President, Rupert Murdoch doesn’t need Republicans.

This may get interesting. Will Murdoch tolerate Matt Groening biting the had that feeds him? Stay tuned.

[...] however, this morning I came across THIS POST from RawStory.com, which includes a full-length video of the show I missed and a preliminary note on [...]

You’re Racist
No doubt about it

This is great. Who said the Repubs winning the House was a bad thing? LOL

Obstructing the START treaty is just the first of many faux paus they will commit over the next two years.

Never underestimate the ability of the Repubs to shoot themselves in their foot, never mind their skeet shooting buddies back. LOL

aww, you’re still all butthurt from your epic failure to retake the Senate?

poor little guy

Keep in mind that Ameritards are not that bright. The will vote against their own self interest.

Unfortunately for the country and the world, there are plenty of idiots out there who vote for the evil bastards.

Like i’ve said before, you may have the letters and the numbers, but not the I.Q. to compete, moron. LOL

Auto travel is risky, there are over 40 thousand deaths each year due to highway accidents, and yet most take the gamble. Even if there were 40 thousand air passenger deaths each year travelers will continue to fly. Living in fear is not living at all, when airline terrorists see they have not stopped traffic no matter how hard they have tried, the battle against airline terrorism will be won.

Hell yes…. Like all repuklicans… he’s a money pig and “the simpson” are profitable.

FCC has proved to be a worse than a worthless agency. A license to broadcast is supposed to be granted in the public interest. Lying and mis-informing the pubic deliberately is NOT in the public interest, yet FOX is granted a license to do just that.

rlau, are you off your meds? Where does Jackie say or imply The Simpsons are real? Maybe you just discovered that fact and are sharing it with all of us in the Reality Based world. Thanks. Yay Simsons!

Yo Mama’s racist!

It is true, but that joke totally sucks. The Simpsons is crap now.

25 years ago an entity could own 5 AM, 5 FM, and 5 television stations and none of them in the same city in which they own a newspaper. Some exceptions were grandfathered in years earlier but that was the lay of the land. Under Clinton those numbers went up to 80, 80, and 80. When Collin Powell’s kid ran (amok) the FCC, he tried to up it so that a single entity could not own more than 45% coverage of the entire county. Not sure of the exact number now but I think it’s around 30%. It’s true insanity and another justification to turn off the tube, or flat panel, take your pick. And you are right, the official jargon is that broadcasters are to operate in the public interest, convenience, and necessity. Now it’s for the corporate interest, convenience, and necessity. Besides turning the damn televisions and radios off, we should start challenging station licenses, which come up for renewal every seven years. When was the last time one of these leach operations were denied a renewal? Probably never. Maybe we should start.

You people do not understand how this thing works: the MSM, both the left and right wings of the MSM, are charged with the job of maintaining, exacerbating, provoking, disseminating, inflaming the two party system that covers and obscures the reality that we are ruled by one party.

This one party does the bidding of the hyper-wealthy elite who run the global economy via the global banking cartel. Both Democrats and Republicans work for the one party. Keeping you left wingers and right wingers constantly insulting one another and fighting over table scraps allows the one party and its Democlican/Republicat representatives to do their treason while
you are distracted.

Wake up fools! Get a grip on reality! Forget reality TV shows – authenticate reality is the nightmare you live under and refuse to see.

I quote myself from another comment: “[B]oth parties are corrupt, both parties are bought and paid for by greedy, self-serving, unethical people willing to do evil for power and profit -

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2010/11/congressional-members-personal-weal.html

Going to Washington was once an opportunity to give honorable public service – not for a very long time has it been that. No, it is now an opportunity to become rich at the expense of those you claim to represent, and thereby join the wealthy and privileged political class who are above the law.”

add me to the list- arizona wants everybody criminalized.
i flee to costa rica.

wow..you mean there is a ruling class afoot–and, gasp, they act in self interest? I’m shocked, shocked at such behavior…although I do remember someone named Karl talking about this phenomenon 170 years ago…lol

But only if she is a “Tea Bagger” or “Repug”
Then …
No Doubt About it!
Right?!!!
Yeah!
Racists!!!!!!!

As Richard Branson said years ago, rupertmurdoch will destroy your democracy…. I hear murdoch is probably going to finance a large part of sarahpalin’s “campaign” for the USPresidency…. would that be a puppet master????

Remember palin’s hero, reagan… isn’t he the main reason for all the de-regulation which has caused much of our nation’s problems, next to SCOTUS

Hope murdoch fires him and MSM gets him!!!!!

rlau — this makes no sense…. in my opinion.

If petitions were sent to murdoch blasting the show, he’d fire them… then MSM would pick it up and we’d be able to watch!!!

Obviously some don’t get it Alan.

Yes, Alan, and the elites LOVE Karl. They LOVE class warfare, they LOVE ideological warfare. They love the idea of our being dependent on them for everything, every bite of food, every toilet paper sheet. They LOVE government run socialism because they enslave us with it.

They hide all this behind our brainwashed oppositional biases.

And unclesam2 is right on: You don’t get it, Alan.

Palin would ensure an Obama second term, no matter how much Faux Noise contributes. She’s the reason McCain lost in the first place.

McCain could not have won that election under any circumstance. He had to appeal to Bush’s base and that made it impossible for him to appeal to the other 70% of the population. That he won 45% was a miracle.

BWHAHAHAHAHA! They weren’t lying.

There is a name for this medical condition you constantly are exhibiting.
Seek help.

Yes I know. It’s an extremely high intelligence. It’s hard to live with sometimes especially when dealing with morons like you, but it’s just something God gave me to deal with. I feel that’s it’s my mission to educate the metally challenged and the Lord gave me a little help in collecting them all in the Democratic Party for me, but still it’s not an easy job. Thank you for asking though.

As your name indicates…. Random Chaos, dealing with people of your low intelligence can be challenging, but I try. That’s all a good Christian can do.

Reeking Tommy….

Nah…. like i told you before… don’t need the Senate. Harry the turd has lost his power there already. It’s more important that President Steve Erkle doesn’t have an excuse of any kind for his upcoming failures. We’ll get it next time along with the White House.

Yet they win elections, and their general polices are well in place and will remain that way, for some stupid reason I can’t think of.

You, sir, are amusing. Amusing in the same way that I find it amusing to watch a dog run into a glass door because he can’t tell it’s solid.

Let me put it this way: Fox News, along with the entirety of the Republican party (yes, I mean both the voter base AND the elected representatives who self-identify as Republican), is nothing more but a gigantic steaming pile of ignorance, racism, and religious bullshit, mixed in with a humongous dose of fear-mongering the likes of which would make them heroes in Al Qaeda if they simply swapped all their negatives into positives.

That is to say, Fox News is so good at producing fear in America, and the GOP is so good at perpetuating that fear, if they switched sides and supported the terrorists they would be heroes (of Al Qaeda).

As for you Republican idiots ever gaining control of this nation again: forget it. I’ll personally lead the armed revolt and kill every single Republican that puts them in the majority if I have to, because I will NOT let America turn into a third-world shithole under Conservative policies which history has shown NEVER work. I simply won’t allow that to happen. I don’t care about your rights, I care about this country. You have a right to be a complete asshat that knows absolutely nothing about macro-economics, social equality, or even penal law, but is that REALLY a right you want to exercise? I’ll answer for you: no. No it is not a right you will exercise in my country. Not any longer. I won’t have idiots like you giving truckloads of money to the rich and expecting them to spend it on you willingly, or going to war with another nation just because it has a different way of running itself, or continuing to treat Russia like the U.S.S.R. from the Cold War (which ENDED, by the way), because all of those things that the conservatives have been responsible for have done nothing but harm this nation.

You disrespect our Constitution, our Founding Fathers, and the rest of the planet, and you think it’s okay because you all know the Bible better. You start wars that don’t end (or that we lose), and you screw over the little man in favor of the big business (even though you ARE the little man). It’s enough! We’re through having you jackasses running the show, because you can’t do it properly.

So go ahead, argue macro-economic theory with me, I would LOVE to make a fool out of another Republican. Argue about the social equality this nation has and doesn’t have, and whether we should fight for it or not. Argue about the legitimacy of war, especially the latest two wars. Hell, argue about how Red is a better color than Blue for all I care (I don’t care). Just try and say something, anything, that doesn’t sound like a regurgitated ball of idiocy and crap, so that I can verbally cock-punch you.

The Simpsons have allway been a crap cull show.

Boy you realy are afraid of Palin!!

I’m gonna go ahead and call you out as the ignorant bullshitter that you are, because so far I’ve been unable to find any intelligent comments made by you. In fact, a good portion of them aren’t just lacking in intelligence, they’re downright idiotic. So, good job, you’ve made us all stupider just for reading your posts.

Problem is that we tend to think the FCC has power over FOX. Not in reality. FOX is a Cable News Channel. In this case, the FCC has NO dominion over cable communications. They only can control broadcast communications which used to be the majority. With he wiring of America has come the cable industry which has gained enough wealth to buy anything they want, including the people in government. Cable communications in now how the majority of people get their news/entertainment fix. Now that broadcast has been forced to go to digital, it’s about useless to everyone but mountain folk.

Tristan Caley

You can’t make stupid….”stupider”. You are stupid, no doubt but you can’t be made more stupid than you are, because when you decided to be a liberal, you reached the highest level of dumbness. Thanks for trying to give me credit, but I can’t take it.

It’s taken 22 years for them to smack republicans? Republicans and neocons are a huge natural resource of parody and satire. That they’ve taken so long to lay into them, and they’ve laid into everyone else in the course of this show, doesn’t impress me at all.

LOL!!
Yeah, whatever you say!

Pretty silly projection on your part. Everyone knows how silly your comment is, delusional often?

Glenn Beck fan?

you are spot on both on this post and your response to alan. i visited the opensecrets site, explains it all.

A thought for the day. the simpsons are on fox!!!!!????

The Simpsons have been taking pot-shots at Fox for quite a few years now. I haven’t consulted the almighty Google yet, though I used to be a serious fan of the show, and can recall some of them.

Of course The Simpsons are on Fox. The Simpsons, however, have always been somewhat seditious, so it is hardly surprising its creators are taking potshots at the “we distort; you deride” network.

Its really sloppy form to just assert things before you know whether they’re actually, factually true or not. If you’d have taken the time to check, you’d have discovered that the FCC has asserted regulatory authority over cable since 1962.

Good post…. though I would have aimed more ire at Newt’s Criminal Congress than at Clinton for the ’96 Telecommunications Act.

I’d also recommend comparison of the allowed ratio of content to commercial messages… the allowed number of commercial message minutes has more than quintupled under the ’96 Act.

Do you snort your own poop after you’ve run out of money and cocaine? just askin’…
Go For it! It’s a free cuntry, sort of
God Luvs You

Give him credit. Nobody is this dumb. Trolling is a art!

If it were truly your mission to educate the metally challenged then you would spit on God and bow to Satan. Christian Metal is for Namby Pambies. Call me racist about it i don’t care FU. I’m sure God gave you all kinds of things. God Luvs You, Holy Man. Walk on Water. Lucifer is ready with charged electrons in dark clouds Looking for ground.

It is somehow seemingly appropriate that the Simpsons, a television cartoon series, is taking on the Fox Cartoon News Network.

The one difference is that the Simpsons has excellent writers with great senses of humor, while the Fox Cartoon News Network is a really sick joke being played on American citizens, a never-ending sick joke running 24/7, filled with lies and racism and deceitful Republican talking points, as if Fox Cartoon News Network is just a clone of some Soviet era propaganda outlet in the old Soviet Union or even Nazi era propaganda outlet in Nazi Germany.

I quit watching the Simpsons when they killed off Bleeding Gums Murphy.

Lisa plays decent tenor though, for a little girl.

Fear sells, suckers buy…congratulations, sucker.

Fear sells, suckers buy…congratulations, sucker.

Fox loves republicans, but they love money more! And Simpsons is a cash ATM.

Aired tonight: Regarding profiling airplane passangers

ERIC BOLLING, FOLLOW THE MONEY NOST: Vince racial profiling, quick thought?
VINCE CURATOLA, ACTOR: Yeah, if you insult them, they’ll get over it.
(why is an actor being asked about national security, anyway? I guess they are running out of people who agree with them)

Crap cull? Not sure what that is, but if it’s neocon for “Emmy winning” or “possibly the best written show in tv for over 20 years”, I’ll agree.

What in that statement would you see fear? I HOPE she runs. I HOPE she can’t stay out of the limelight and causes the Reps to lose. Oh, God, I hope. I don’t fear her. I fear her uneducated and slogan-following followers.

Awesome!

Where do I sign up?

I saw that, nice one.

class warfare has been going on a long time. whether you or anyone else “likes” it..it’s also a bogus argument by ruling folks to keep control..what is your point?…u sound like a 4th grader bloviating about nothing using stupid false equivalences..if ‘elites” means educated, put me with them…u seem like a right wing moron ranting about socialism–which is much better than what we have year…I’ve lived in 25 countries and your ignorant antipathy to socialism is sad…go read newsmax….or take a nap…lol

How sad – and typical – that we have to turn to the comics to get the good angles and views on things like this.

rlau290541:

I assume that your ID is an acronym for: retard licks asses usually 290541.

Besides the fact that you have yet to respond to any of the comments here with an actual argument, let alone sentences that have composed properly, you still seem to think that I give a flying fuck what you think. Allow me to correct you, because every time you reply to my comments I get a notification and it gets annoying if you aren’t actually writing anything intelligent. See, I don’t give two shits what you think about my intellect, because I would be violating my “not caring what complete ass-hats think of me” rule if I did.

So please, excuse yourself from the table where the grown-ups sit, and go play in your corner with the Mega-Bloks we imported from Canada until you’re ready to have a real discussion with people who are completely beyond your level both intellectually and emotionally. And though you can’t prove or disprove it, I’m certain that I’m physically beyond your level as well.

You claim to be educated. But you do not use capital letters (except for one word – “I’ve”), the word “you,” or proper sentence-ending punctuation. You mis-matched your single and double quotes. There’s no substance or fact to your post, and you don’t use any historical references to bolster your point (which, IMHO, is unclear and emotionally charged).

I think Jaimie11 has won this conversation.

Maybe, but the FCC itself will tell you that the regulations for cable operators are specific to cable broadcast and not the same as broadcast signals. And regulation has been reduced over the years in the interest of greater competition and customer choice.

http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/csgen.html

Nothing like a little self-satire

The Republicans have two mottos.

If you can’t pull yourself up by your own bootstraps go somewhere and die quietly.

Hooray for me and screw you.

Vote Racist. Vote Republican!

So, this is Fox Network making fun of themselves?

So, this is fox network making fun of themselves??? Only fair, they occasionally make fun of the unfair and unbalanced left wing cable networks and various leftist demagogues.

I enjoyed your post Allan. As far as the FCC’s control over Fox, in literal terms, you’re right. However, the FCC controls not just the broadcast spectrum of television/radio transmission but also satellite transmissions, which is how Fox, and pretty much everyone else, sends out their wares. That’s why Jon Stewart has to be bleeped. It’s an issue of control over all transmission spectrum (and its content) and isn’t confined to terrestrial broadcasts. And you’re so right about the wiring (and unwiring) of America and the world. Things that used to be wired (telephone, teletype, wire reporting services) are now unwired and formerly unwired services (television) are now wired – albeit with a new swing toward becoming unwired again through WiMax/WiFi/3G/digital broadcasts.

The people that this is meant to speak to. . . . are just too stupid to understand.

Another bit of unwarranted truth issued out of FOX in the Spring of 2001, the pilot of The Lone Gunmen

Yeah! No educated person would disagree with Austrian Economics. Case closed.

Yeah, on that day where18.5% of eligible Americans voted for Republicans,16% voted for Democrats and 65% stayed home.

I had a twinge of that same fear myself last night after watching Olbermann’s first segment. There seemed to be no trace of doubt on Keith’s part that the Christmas Day Bomber was anything but a true al Qaeda threat, quoting Obama as saying the aggressive security measures being used “are the only ones right now that they consider to be effective against the kind of threat that we saw in the Christmas Day bombing”. The interview was with NBC News terrorism analyst Roger Cressey, who says “we are dealing with a security versus privacy threat right now that is the toughest we’ve had since 9/11 I believe, and we’re trying to find where that comfortable middle ground is. And so far TSA and the American public has stumbled a little bit in finding that middle ground.”

Knowing as I do that the Abumutallab stunt was entirely toothless, the underpants PETN having no detonator, the dazed patsy showing no pain or awareness as his crotch was being burned severely, a dude videoing not only the fire but the whole flight from his seat, standing up at the moment of fire, the well-dressed East Indian man with the US accent using high up credentials to get Mutallab on the flight with no passport — all this happening on Christmas Day when no politician was within driving distance of a microphone to make any kind of rebuttal — the absolutely ideal demagogic exercise. My heart sank to hear this corporate shill Cressey spouting all this window dressing and Keith seeming to go along with it.

Then, being by then too lethargic to shut the stream window, I continued watching the second segment: the correspondent for the Atlantic Jeffrey Goldberg, who makes the point that, if there is a bomber trying to get on the plane, he/she could do just as much damage by blowing up in the line with hundreds of people tightly packed around. Short of coming out and saying the whole thing is bogus, which would cause Keith to lose a valuable platform inside the enemy’s camp, this is as close as one can get to declaring that we are being led through charades to mind control us, and the real threats are not from any shadowy foreign terror, but from the Military Industrial Complex AND our own stupidity.

and….at the end of december, 66 house, 10 governor and 682 state wide democrats are going home for good…. and for the good of this country!

Oh… I assume you’re trying to make a point….what exactly is it?? You lost… and you lost big time…Your god, Barak says the Democrats got “shellacked” First thing I agree with him on. Get over it! LOL

Barak Shellacked Obama! Say no more!! Sucker!!!

I don’t know about Lucifer but I think the men in the white coats are looking for you SwampGas!

Wow… you say a lot to say so very little. ( Guess that’s because you are so stupid.)

But not necessarily you, cause He doesn’t like dumshits

Left-leaning sites are generally not ready to go there yet. On Dailykos, you’ll get banned if you persist in questioning vaccination or water fluoridation.

It’s a strange selective blindness of the left. Oh yes we understand that governments and corporations are corrupt to the core. We know that the military-industrial complex is about profits and nothing more. We know that religion is just a profitable scam to control the masses. Many regular posters on this site believe or strongly suspect that 9/11 was a false flag attack.

But organized medicine? The CDC, the NIH, the FDA, the pharmaceutical industry? Could they be hyping or outright inventing diseases just so they can sell vaccines and pills? Could they be promoting phony preventative measures that actually harm our health, just so that they can make profits? Could they even be suppressing promising cancer cures so the cancer industry can continue to make its billion dollar profits?

No way. That’s just crazy conspiracy theory.

Oopsies. Someone is lost again.

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/*/index

Here you go buddy.

and you know what else??? it’s also a free “country” too. is it too much to ask that you libs learn how to spell, Swamp Gas???

And what makes you think that that corporatist sellout Obama is my god? You got way too much kool-aid in your system buddy. Wake up and realize that Democrats and Republicans are both pursuing the agenda of our corporate overlords.

You think your tea bagger congressmen will rock the boat? Good luck with that. They’ve already sold out on earmarks.

sorry i don’t like porn sites.

So then you agree that Obama’s a one term loser then too good!

Barak Obama’s dog Bo knows more about economics than you do, Tristee. He knows that “trickle down” works and “tricklle up” doesn’t. He proved that when he took a leak on Joe Biden’s leg the last time he was as the White House. (at the white house)

For welfare and food stamps?? Ask Tristan. He’s an expert at being on the governent doll.

Wow you sure put out a lot of bull shit. You could say half of what you just did and people would still know you are an idiot, tristee. LOL

….”The will vote”… ???? YOU ARE THE RETARD!

You libs write like you were home schooled in a cardboard box sitting beside the Cross Bronx Expressway next to a bunch of old tires and burned out cars. (But that’s just my opinion.)

Well I guess we’ll all see in Nov of ’12 won’t we leo? And it’s not looking too good for the president that campaigned for many and got most of his party’s incombents defeated. He couldn’t even win his old senate seat for his party! LOFLMAO

So the best Keith can do is have on two total shills/tools (I assume Goldberg was being an idiot; he’s one of the worst wingnut Israel-firsters out there), and then make a oblique suggestion that the whole thing’s a farce?
That’s what passes for progressivism in the MSM–hand signals and dog whistles.

No, bonehead, elites doesn’t mean educated, it means in power. And stop playing jaded about class warfare, and no one’s ranting about socialism.
To sum up, don’t drink and type. And that photo makes you or your avatar look like a douchbag.

The only poor writer I see on this thread is nipplewrench, and he’s as wingnut as they come. But this is a prime example of the wingnut “complain about something without evidence” thing. A wingnut will bitch about the imaginary.

truth is most are good writers, but when the typing gets fast and furious the typos and gramatical errors abound.

I have a question of your use of “wingnut”. Wingnuts were used on old british sports cars to hold each wire wheel on and they worked very well. They are a very strong fastener and very efficient. Can’t figuer out the insult value of using that word. unless it’s short for “right wing nut”. Is that your meaning? If so, remember one thing, they’re on both sides of the car. LOL

the definition of elite:
A group or class of persons or a member of such a group or class, enjoying superior intellectual, social, or economic status.

Did you notice the word “intellectual” somewhere in there, moron

Actually, I’m not that educated-even thought I have a doctorate; listen my moronic friend- texting is a way to communicate- which I do many times a day with my adult kids and many others. We are trying to create understanding-spelling is of overriding importance if one is in a spelling bee. Your anal compulsion for grammar in texting is hilarious. Jamie11 is using the tea bagger mantra of “elites” [how're the quotes doing?] is a disingenuous way. Elites by definition are also educated people..Is that clear?

A group or class of persons or a member of such a group or class, enjoying superior intellectual, social, or economic status

Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/elite#ixzz168Gpv72a

Now they’re bragging about it, eh?

I agree that Bush/ Cheney and republican’s 8 years of total destruction to our country has destroyed us.
I agree that Obama is not fighting against these arrogant corporate owned republicans h… bend on transferring our wealth & power to the Global Monopolies hard enough.
So you are proud of the destruction your republicans have done to our nation.
Gee you mean that republican’s job is to destroy our nation.
And their voters are proud of it.

Which one’s would those be?

And can you really compare any commentator on Fox with Rachel Maddow?

Hey, Family Guy rules!

Actually, Obama is so conservative, he will only get the Liberal vote if it IS someone like Palin running against him.

How many sockpuppets do you have?

you sound as if you know something about the burned out cars in the Bronx wow you’ve come a long way.

I know, you’re one of those right wing christians we keep hearing about. God is you guide, except when your puking your bias.

Actually, wing-nuts are just like ordinary nuts but with extensions (“wings”) that provide the advantage of extra leverage so they can be tightened by hand, instead of requiring a spanner. Now I’m not saying right wing “wing-nuts” are hand-jobs, of course, just that they can be manipulated far more easily ;)

When the elites tell the truth, of course it has to be at the expense of making fun of and ridiculing the poor/middle class American public. Because that is what they do. Any more proof needed that they are on some sick stuff?!

After seeing this episode, the ‘conspiracy theories’ surrounding Homer vs NY episode just might’ve been on to something.

Please order yourself a ‘context’.
When you receive it, open it up. Let it expand a bit, then learn it.
Maybe, then, you can speak at the adults table.

What the hell is “governent doll”? And why do you “Laugh Out Loud” at your own lame “jokes”? And before you call other people “idiot” or “stupid”, you should at least LEARN TO SPELL at a sixth-grade level.
Now, go re-inflate that governent doll and impress her with your wit and intelligence…..

Alan, you have proven my point – you have reacted unthinkingly, automatically, calling me demeaning names instead of responding rationally to my statements. You have supplied your own meaning to my words, supplanting mine, thereby setting up the justification that allows you to demean me. That hardly qualifies as rationale argument.

If that is what education has done for you, I deplore that education and would quite accurately call it brainwashing, which true education is not. People of high intelligence AND high ethical motivation are often able to survive and overcome the brainwashing some call education. High intelligence is not requisite though. There are people of good will, of generous heart, who may not be head smart and yet intuitively know what is going on is wrong and don’t accept it. You, apparently, are among neither group.

As well, you missed the point I made regarding socialism. I am distrustful of government managed socialism. And more so knowing the depths of corruption our MIC government has dragged us into.

In Sweden, government managed socialism has worked with little overt complaint until recently. During the span of Swedish socialism’s success Sweden was comprised of a homogeneous population and the government was responsive to the will of the people (unlike our government) as one would expect in a well-functioning democracy. Things are not so rosy now, now that Africans and Muslims have immigrated en masse to Sweden, drawn by its generous welfare programs.

As for socialism from the bottom up, from the people themselves, in order to benefit themselves and their communities, THAT socialism is an excellent way to provide for the needs of the community through cooperatives owned by their own members, much as credit unions are, much as the Health Partners cooperative in Minneapolis is which has served the community since 1957 without government assistance.

The state owned Bank of North Dakota is owned by the people of North Dakota.
It is solvent as are most, if not all, the credit unions in the US. Every state should have its own state bank, owned by and answerable to the people, and importantly independent of the corrupt Federal Reserve too.

To solve our problems and provide reasonably for our needs without government
would first require that enough people understand how the corrupt government and illegal money system work. That is the task many of us independents and free thinkers have embarked on.

What works in Sweden and the countries you have lived Alan will not work in the US for obvious reasons. Our officials do not fear us adequately. We have been under-educated and over-manipulated into giving up our own freedom and concomitant responsibility to care for ourselves and our families, and to assist our friends and neighbors when that is necessary and appropriate. Appealing to our natural sense of compassion and humanity the government coerces us to give it our money so that the poor will be cared for. But the care given by our government is demeaning. It produces deepening generational poverty and insidious moral degradation.

The Wars on poverty, on drugs, on fascist communism, on terror, are failures all. You would do well to educate yourself as to what the real effects are of these wars, and whose interests are served by maintaining them, senseless and counterproductive as they are.

And while you’re at it, do check out how our money system has been taken over by a private banking cartel that is ripping all of us off – read about it here

http://www.powells.com/biblio/9780979560811?&PID=23116

And once you’ve done that you not only know what is meant in current parlance by the word “elites” you will also understand why this is happening, “Corporate America has best quarter in US history as real unemployment rate soars.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/corporate-america-quarter-real-unemployment-rate-soars/

How about this: You are an idiot, and you STILL haven’t brought up any intelligent arguments, but you keep claiming to be more intelligent than everyone else, which makes you a complete bullshitter.

GTFO my internet, twerp.

How about you sign up for the military, rlau, since you claim to be such a wonderfully intelligent patriot. I would LOVE for you to DIE in service to our country. It would be the most useful thing you’d ever do in your worthless little life.

Personally I’m against vaccination and fluoridation for completely sane reasons. Vaccination simply allows those who would otherwise die of disease, because they lack the genetic ability to fight it off, to live. It creates a weakened gene pool, much like modern society does with genetic diseases by allowing and encouraging people who have them to procreate. It’s simply not good for the species, no matter how fair it might be.

As for Fluoridation, I feel that it needs to stop being done by the water companies because it affects our environment in adverse ways. If people want fluoride in their water they should be able to buy something that injects it into drinking water, and there should be a filtration system on the drainage from their home that removes as much of it as possible.

Who is “He”? Do you talk to “Him”? Do You hear Voices?

you make some good points with which I mostly agree; however the mis use of the word “elites”. ascribing its current connotation to common parlance is nice–but I am using the denotation of the word. That is the correct use regardless of common parlance. The right wing uses it as a perjorative—like why should someone with an education about a subject make a policy decision. That is absurd. I now live in Berkeley and we have many socialist institutions. It is not based on fear.

I cannot help but wonder if you have been subtly and manipulatively deceived. You’ve read Bernays’ “Propaganda” no doubt. But have you considered the purpose of such controlled discussions as these on both the left and right MSM, that your response of alarm and restored faith is exactly what was intended.

As any intelligent primate knows, all things under the sun can be used for good and for evil – it is up to the user to make the choice. What if good and evil are employed at the same time? Is that akin to Griffin’s observation that esoteric and exoteric meanings in Sunstein’s essay?

Let’s say the exoteric meaning in the interview was to arouse and assuage your fears, and the esoteric meaning was to minimize your fears without actually addressing and correcting the condition that aroused them. That is manipulation, no, and deceit?

A conceivable but not a necessary analysis. Equally plausible — more, from where I sit — is to say:

Exoteric — the official line, that all these security measures are necessary, but perhaps not conducted in an intelligent and professional way.

Esoteric — 9/11 was an inside job, likewise 7/7, likewise the silly bit with the liquids that would have taken an hour of careful stirring in a bucket of ice in the aircraft lav all the while belching out sulf’rous and tormenting stench, to get a blast. BUT — we won’t come out and say so because we’d lose a valuable platform.

Alex Jones, the quarterback of 9/11 studies, said as much about his hero Ron Paul, ie., that he should be forgiven for badmouthing 9/11 Truth because he’d lose his valuable platform if he signed on. Admittedly Kucinich has at least said, “Further investigation would be a good thing” or something like that.

I recently read a good source — I can’t find it at the moment, but at any rate, I think it’s credible — that Obama no doubt learned from history that what JFK did, challenging Dulles, LeMay, Lemnitzer & al. over the missiles and Bay of Pigs, might not be a good long term strategy, and one could conceivably get more done (over a longer period of time) by playing it a bit cooler.

The subject is highly debatable. Just ask Paul Wellstone.

See above reply. Jack Kennedy went 90% pure nitro in his Formula One, and it blew up on him. Since then, those looking for a way through the thicket have tended to be more cautious. It remains to be seen whether shrewdness and stealth can do what forthright conviction failed to do.

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