No worries for Paul, he can just start his own history organization and print himself off his own genuine historian credentials. So next time he thinks Obama is out there gassing Jews and establishing the master Aryan race he can wave a piece of paper when he advertises how ignorant he is.

Right, leader of the “face” stomping party.

let me guess you are jewish

don’t cry over new SENATOR RAND PAUL

I wonder when Sen. Paul will be growing his mustache.

Typical tea bagger moron republican drivel, he’s gonna be one of the biggest goofballs in Senate history.

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Obama and Hitler share at least one dubious distinction: they’re the only politicians I know of that both made a fortune on their autobiographies before they ever did a damned thing.

So what? We live in a fascist society. The benchmark for all authoritarian leaders is Hitler. I don’t like everything the guy does, but this is just a hit piece.

they both were being groomed for leadership post by the same power brokers thats why

More like neocon lover. Stop living in your delusional world.

That chick tried to come up and throw something into his ride. If someone had done that with your precious Obama they would have gotten more than their face stomped.

Obama is more of a Mussolini than a Hitler.

Go back to your compound and start reloading your ammo. Your god is calling.

Follow the money…

A goofball. My sentiments, exactly.

Up pretty early to be trolling for the koch brothers. Do you get enough to buy a McShit breakfast before lunch?

you got obama’s pimp daddy goerge soros so we are even

I think you have goofy paul in mind. Remember the day after the “erection”, err , election he caved in to the “bosses.”

NICE GOING, YOU FUCKING NON-THINKING MORONS!!!

You voted in this, and other, extremist assholes and now you are going to pay the price and stil…STILLL…believe that it’s O.K. and all is well!

Well, here’s what I finally decided: Let the whole fucking ball of wax melt! May the rich get richer, the poor get poorer! Let the “Gentried” continue to win, slant the economic “trickle” upward, do away with Social Security, end the social “Welfare” programs, and beat us all down here into a bloody fucking pulp!!!

Why? Because it is going to take major competition at the dumpsters to feed your kids before, MAYBE, you will wake your fucking asses up and DO SOMETHING!!! ANYTHING!!! JUST DOOOOO SOMETHING!!!

ever heard of the jesuit order and the black pope, did you know hitler was a catholic parents are buried in catholic cemetary just a thought

ever heard of the jesuit order and the black pope, did you know hitler was a catholic parents are buried in catholic cemetary just a thought

Get ‘em, Captain!

Wait: I though he was a Muslim . . . or was it a communist . . . or maybe a native-born African . . . I know: a socialist…no, a fascist . . . darn, how about a Buddhist . . . or a wiccanist . . . damn, so many ideologies, so little time.

don’t listen to this communist RAT ay how is it in people democratic republic of north korea

YO! Fritz! Goose step your fat ass back to your “programming cage”! If that’s the best you got, you need a “programming tune-up”!!! Ever wonder what it might be like to have a mind that is capable of independent thought?!

Let me guess: You are a fat idiot.

Delusional world?

Says the troll looking for attention. He’s a tea bagger and he’s proud of it, where have you been?? In a coma?

If that really is your picture, Fatso, you better grab some bleach FAST because your tea-party “friends” are coming to get you….

Obama is not even close to those two, get a grip little boy.

you communist gayboy !! oh i forgot communist hate gay people you better change your habits you commie RAT

That is a lame excuse for someone to have their head stomped on. But you’re here defe3nding and supporting a goofball like Paul so no wonder you spew delusional tripe like that.

Actually, ..as much as Obama disappoints me I don’t think he ranks anywhere near Hitler in fact the opposite. In my humble opinion this is a close race between President Carter and Obama who is the weakest President of USA. It is crystal clear to me that President Obama is not in charge nor calling the shots – it is somebody(s) behind him pulling his strings.

You sound pretty homophobic, so sad for you.

This is news? Rand Paul says this every day.

i do know that you are a communist RAT no guessing on that one

What a freak of nature. Wow.

Try reading and LEARNING what Socialism stands for! Are you capable of reading and LEARNING? If you are a working man and are happy with the way things are going, you are living in a programmed world where you will die a poor, fat, pawn. If that’s what you want…fine. If, somewhere inside you is even a SPARK of intelligence, follow the link and learn how to help ALL us struggling workers have a fair shot at Life on a par with what the founders intended.

I’m tired of trading barbs and insults with you, My Friend. No more after this post. I hope you WILL follow the link and open your mind. (No one is watching you at the keyboard.)

http://www.dsausa.org/pdf/widemsoc.pdf

Sounds like Rand Paul still worships the Acqua Buddha.

Eh, mediocre comments at best. Obama is no Hitler. He’ll be relegated to occupying his part of history as a minor, insignificant player. A purposeless figurehead who ruled over a nation of chattering monkeys, more absorbed with their own self-satisfaction than achieving anything of lasting and worthwhile value.

…and you should have mentioned Democrat, because he isn’t one of those either.

But Rahm Emanuel did say something to that effect and is evil too?
um….um….partisanship has become a bit of a moral quandary, hasn’t it?

ay explain the united socialist soviet republics THE USSR WERE THEY NOT COMMUNIST

Wasn’t Rand in support for cutting Medicare payments to Doctors before he won the election, but is now against it since he won the election?

It’s genetics. His father refused to give back money to a racist right-wing organization, during the presidential primary a couple years ago.

That is STATE Socialism!!! Kind of like what “W” worked so hard to install here and calling it Free Market Capitalism”!!!

The worst that I’ll say about Obama is this…dashed hopes of a Nation. He and the Dems were handed the keys to the Kingdom in 2008 and blew it completely. 60 seats in the Senate; a substantial majority in the House with a great Leader; 54% voter majority who wanted a 90 degree change of direction in America’s course and were willing to follow him and the Dems with sacrifice and full-throated support. And what we got was fucking Rahm Emanuel and limp-dick Dems who cowered at the hateful volume of Right Wing Media and a hateful GOP minority in the Senate who stated from the gate what their intentions were and followed through. They threw us under the bus, attacked us, ignored us, while they begged, crawled and cowered in the face of the GOP. They never stood up to the bully boys in the summer of 2009; they gave away all their chips prior to even getting to the table; and even now, they won’t bring START to a vote; they won’t fight for the repeal of DADT; and they won’t even go public in a fight to repeal the Bush Tax Abomination. We are so screwed. And don’t be surprised when Huckabee or Palin elected in 2012.

Can someone explain to me how mandating everyone to get medical insurance related to martial law? When is the National Guard being deployed?

A-fucking-Men.

I’m sure that Hannity, Beck and FOX are going to run with this story and try and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy. That should be happening……today.

I hate to say it but you are absolutely right. If you think about it the Republicans totally laid down in 2008. I have a feeling that for the next two years the Democrats are going to totally laid down so the Republicans can get in office, ruined the economy and then the Dems will be reelected. I hate to think that our laws, and the direction of our country is based on who was going to get reelected. But it is. The Democrats laid down on January 5, 2009

Fritz, it’s the union of soviet socialist republics, Pinko!

Bush was compared to Hitler, Obama is compared to Hitler, and I have absolutely no reason why Obama was included in that. Bush took away your rights of habeas corpus. Obama hasn’t taken away your rights to anything.

You dupes still haven’t figured it out. They may wear different colors, but they’re all in the same gang. Are you all so friggin dense?

I guess you couldn’t take the time to read and LEARN, eh? (The USSR was STATE Socialism.)

Well, your ignorance is YOUR choice and no one else’s. Fare well….

Rand Paul is just as awful as that toupée he wears.

What about the TSA fondling he implemented?

Apparently, having your — ahem — “right” to have your health insurance canceled once you actually need it is tantamount to being rounded up by jack-booted thugs and sent off to be tortured at a military-run detention camp.

But, of course, actually being rounded up by jack-booted thugs and sent off to be tortured at a military-run detention camp — which was done under Bush — is somehow NOT tantamount to being rounded up by jack-booted thugs and sent off to be tortured at a military-run detention camp.

IOKIYAR

same thing

That’s Obama trying to get closer to America.

He has to get a driver’s license first.

Some revelation. I’m still waiting for the one that reveals that the Sun rises on the East and sets on the West.

I don’t know, it could have something to do with the police coming to your house if you refuse to get insurance and refuse to pay the unconstitutional fine

“But, of course, actually being rounded up by jack-booted thugs and sent off to be tortured at a military-run detention camp — which was done under Bush…”

And continues to be done under Obama.

Did he not extend the [un]Patriot Act? If that’s not taking away your rights then, I dunno what is. And that’s only one of endless examples.

Thanks for no responding to my point and just coming up with personal attacks. For someone who claims to be a progressive you sure do take a page out of the book from Fox News.

Patience, my child, patience.

Why don’t you do a little research and stop getting all your information from MSNBC. Neocon’s love the pro-war Obama. Time to wake up B.

“I have a feeling that for the next two years the Democrats are going to totally laid down…”

You mean to tell me that they were standing before? Wow! Who woulda thunk?

Shhhh…you never know who may be listening.

Better yet, one who was used as a token and suckered into taking the fall for the mess Bush & his cohorts made.

I’m not even a huge Rand fan. At least he is somewhat independent though and wants to lower the military budget. Your boy Obama wants to kill more brown people in Pakistan and is getting cozy with porn scan CEO’s in India.

None of them is either in charge nor calling the shots.

Reading through the comments, everyone is just calling each other names… very disappointing. Is this what most Raw Story readers are like or are there some intelligent, free thinking people out there reading this site?
I used to be a liberal, listened to Democracy Now, Noam Chomsky etc. I was heartened that there were people as anti-bush as I was… but then when Obama came along, I realized right away that he was the same as Bush and expected others to see it too. But I realized something that is quite disturbing… Republicans and Democrats see politics as if it is a football game… it’s not about the policies, it’s about winning. They don’t care if their side is just as bad as the other, they are only interested in insulting, ridiculing… and beating the team on the other side… just like sports fans.
I was never interested in sports… which is probably why I am not so interested in partisan politics…
To be honest, Rand Paul makes a lot of sense on a lot of issues. Ron Paul is a lot more palatable for someone like me though… but I think Rand had a really rough ride in the media… and if most liberals really listened to what he was saying, they would probably agree with him on most of the issues… but he’s a Republican so they probably won’t ever bother *sigh*
Here is a message for any of you who still support Obama: He has sold you out.

“Democrat” is too kind and mild an adjective, how about “libural” [sic]?

There’s one real reason for all of this hatred, and it ain’t pretty:

He’s black! It’s entertaining to see the so-called “reasons” clouding the real racist issue. These people always need a scapegoat complaint to put a smokescreen over their own personal issues and insecurities

I think Rand Paul is so much less toxic then someone like Jane Harman, who was involved in the AIPAC spy scandal, yet somehow Rand Paul is being painted as the most corrupt member of Congress.

Forget the People’s Democratic Socialist Republic of North Korea. I’m sure he’s in love – and getting ready to swim from Key West in an inner tube – to little Cuba. The last bastion of Communism freedom and demokracy. The tiny little country that was taken from a dictator who was sold out to the Empire ~sniff, sniff~ (sorry) and has withstood the test of time and the blockade. Oi, the blockade! And which, in spite of it all, has free healthcare (in fact, two different systems, one for the people and one for the foreigners with dollars). And the cost of living is bar none the best. Imagine, a 3 bedroom…errrr…room house for only $83/month and the head of that family makes a whopping $62/month on the free retirement the ever-so-oppressed by Capitalism and Empire government offers him.

Feel free to bring out the violins at any time…

Yeah, it’s known as “mental masturbation” for short.

No Rand, but a Weimar-Republic-what’s-his-name would be apt.

Thats nice. He only moderately racist, isn’t he? I mean, I have never actually seen any pictures of him robed, for example.

Right on the money. The Dems wussed out. Obama wussed out. Why in the hell did Obama get so obsessed with “bipartisanship”? The majority of Americans who elected him in 2008 did not want “bipartisanship”. They wanted a complete course-correction in the affairs of our nation (i.e. CHANGE). But, what makes for a good campaign slogan apparently does not make for an effective plan of action. So now, we will have two years of dirty tricks, obstruction, harassment, and subversion by the republicon minority. Yes, it’s time we call the republicons for what they are: an extremely loud, obnoxious, offensive but MINORITY party. They swept this election cycle only because so many Democrats and independents who voted in 2008 did not bother in 2010. If those who voted in 2008 to support Obama and the Democrats had voted the same on November 2, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Which makes the failures of Obama and the Democrats to seize their moment and push it to the fullest even more painful. The republicons used their natural tendency towards sedition, racism, divisiveness, deception and pathological paranoia to their distinct advantage. The republicons’ “base” was motivated, pushed along by a nearly 24-hour potpourri of propagandists and ranting malcontents who shouted the loudest and the longest, spewing forth every outrageous lie about Obama and the Democrats that crossed their paths. The Democrats, refusing to lower themselves to get “down and dirty” against the republicons, instead played the role of a herd of deer caught in the headlights of the runaway train of republicon insanity. I fear that America as we now know it will not survive the next two years.

Breaking: Water is wet, night is dark, and Rand Paul is an asshole. Details at 11.

“Obama hasn’t taken away your rights to anything.”

Not so sure I would agree with that statement.
Did Obama vote for the FISA amendment including telecom immunity (after vociferously claiming he would mount a filibuster in opposition to it)?
Oh, right! Yes He Did.

Agreed. The list is long. How myopic we can be when its “our” guy.

Indeed. While Obama made a big show of banning torture as a CIA tactic, it was quietly relegated to Joint Special Operations Command, who was already in it up to their necks by that time. Obama’s White House also participated in the cover-up of the murders of detainees at Camp No in GTMO and promoted McChrystal AFTER he publicly admitted to leading the charge in the cover-up of the fragging of Pat Tillman and having previously commanded Camp Nama in Iraq which was a dedicated torture center and likely commanded Dick Cheney’s extra-judicial JSOC assassination squad (as reported by Seymour Hersh).
Obama even went to court to suppress the FBI interview of Dick Cheney after the Plame affair, even though Cheney had never even requested non-disclosure.
I could go on all day.

Racists have to call people names (even though it’s not the one they would really want to call Obama)

He wasn’t in the picture when his thugs stomped on that woman’s head.

I don’t watch TV, jump to conclusions often?

Yes, the neocon madmen love Obama, he’s continuing their madness,

But he’s no Benito or Adolph my little regressive boy wonder, you’re the one in need of a history lesson or two, the history class at Beck University is infecting your brain with tripe filled propaganda.

Don’t know what crime Rand Paul has committed, unlike Jane Harman, who offered to use her influence to subvert the course of justice in the AIPAC trial which Raw Story reported on yesterday. The had Harman wiretapped and determined that what she did was basically a “completed crime.”

And Rand Paul has done…?

This claim is straight out of the early libertarian mind of F. A. Hayek. Every state agency is a fore shadowing of government “planning” and that always leads to a totalitarian govenrment run by either Hitler or someone just like Hitler. That was Hayek’s main argument in “The Road To Serfdom.” Hayek should have called it “The Road to Fascism” because that is what he is talking about. And whenever any of these teapartiers make these comparisons between Obama and Hitler this can be traced right back to Hayek. His main argument was that any state sun agency was a precursor or more appropriately evidence of socialism or “planning” and in Hayek’s view “planning” is tyranny and tyranny eventually leads to a German style authoritarian government run by a ruthless dictator, Hitler or someone like him.

The only way to avoid all this fascism and socialism and tyranny is to sell off all government functions to private industry and make sure that there is no progressive income tax to take away your freedom or money once you earn it from running all those former state agencies for profit.

Because if we can’t sell off the water company and start paying higher water bills while the rich people who bought the water company are now making so much money they don’t know what to do with it, but if that new wealth is taxed at a progressive rate that is coercion and destructive of the owner’s freedom but if the owners now charge twice what state water used to cost then that is just capitalism and not coercive at all, because the customers can always choose to buy other water or shower in the rain!

I swear this is the thought process in a nut shell! And under Thatcher in England, she actually sold off the state water company to private interests and the water bills went up just like one would expect.

Wingnut Tourettes?

Time for you to get a little more life experience before you start spouting nonsense about Mussolini comparisons. Didn’t they teach you any history at OSU?

look at him. He’s got that same inbred simpleton deer in the headlights look that Bush had. Yet another example of what happens when cousins marry.

Peace

The police would never come to your house, for not paying for insurance, even if they did take this so far as to make it some kind of misdemeanor offense, they would simply issue a warrant for your arrest and then if they stopped you for something else and ran a check on you they would take you in.

But even this sounds a bit far fetched to me. The idea that they would be going around rounding up people who hadn’t bought insurance is just plain silly!

In the first place they are probably not going to have the facilities to put them all in! In the second if they couldn’t afford to buy insurance they probably can’t afford to pay the fine and buy the insurance, so it would be pretty useless.

Yeah, you’re just little Rand fan.

And, you little Rand fan, Rand has already backtracked on cutting the military/pentagon budget. After all he’s not sworn in for a while, but he’s already a coward.

This is the real hoot here:

According to Paul “When you have severe crisis, that’s when sometimes strong leaders arise.”

Hasn’t he been paying any attention at all to the criticism of Obama. He may be accused of a lot of things but the one thing that Obama is not is a “strong leader’!

In fact, that has been the main complaint against him since about the second month of his presidency from those of us on the left who are tired of his bending over for the Republicans.

the original boston patriots who carried out the real boston tea party must be looking down and wondering, what has been created under our banner.

Great, you hate Jews. WTF does that have to do with this assclown?

I am trying to find a link to an Obama supporter stomping on a woman’s head.

Listen to what these people say when they think they have no shot or nothing to lose–THAT is when they are being candid–NOT when they are running for office with a good chance of winning. I believe that Rand Paul meant every word he said at the time–to the extent that he ever has any idea of what he is saying in the first place.

Just an example of how there are mroe corrupt people in Congress that thoroughly need to be discredited, yet Rand Paul, who has committed no crimes is being discredited before he has even served one day.

Please eat better. I want you to be around when you realized you voted for a “Colonel Sanders” to run the hen house.

I did respond: (fucking cricket noises)

Discussing a lie is like wrestling with a pig. The more you do it, the dirtier you get and the more the pig like it. Answer my question, for the tenth time: who pays you to shill?

The psychological defense mechanism most consistently used by Teaparty Republicans is projection!

No one is out to get Paul. He has discredited himself with his idiotic libertarian based statements meant to convey something other than the racist malarky that motivates them.

You have Colonel Sanders running the hen house. We have scientists and educated people. You really think the home schooled christers with their voices of god in their pee brains trump that? Idiot.

Did he have to be there. If I pay someone to murder someone do I get off because the surveillance video doesn’t show me at the crime scene?

This man is UNWORTHY of media attention. He’s a conceited pompous fool.

If anything, this makes me like Rand Paul more.

If you do, make sure you surf “anonymously” with a clean email account.

You could summarize it by saying: Obama = Bush III

Convenient myopia/deafness have become a way of life in Amerika.

Its been done all over South America as well, as documented in Perkins’ “Confessions of an Economic Hit Man,” and they even went so far as to make rain collection a crime.

Didn’t Hayek later disavow a lot of his earlier work?

Anyway, the “radical competition cult” decries all efforts at human cooperation… as if they’ll somehow lose their testicles themselves if they don’t find their glory in the vanquishing of foes in battle and the plundering of competitor’s castles.

But advanced human society requires cooperation as well… and in large doses. The large symphony orchestra, as both an exercise in human cooperation as well as a unique historic exemplar of it, could not ever be produced by a society which only valued brute competition.

…and this correlates with you getting your meds from Canada .

The fine for not getting insurance is a ‘tax’ and the IRS is in charge of enforcing the new health care law. If you don’t pay your taxes they arrest you. I see very little difference between coming to my house and arresting on sight. They both lead to the same end.

They can and do build more prisons all the time in America.
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-02-23/justice/pennsylvania.corrupt.judges_1_detention-judges-number-of-juvenile-offenders?_s=PM:CRIME

No, but I’m guessing you’re a brain dead inbred hick.

Rand Paul is a stooge for the corporate machine.

He put on a good show of being a libertarian, but he really is a shill for big business.

In his in own state, he supports the physical destruction of America and Appalachia via his support of mountaintop removal strip mining for coal.

so he is a fetch boy for King Coal.

dear militia types that support Rand Paul – he is supporting the elimination of American/Appalachian terrain that would have been useful for resisting the real corporate new world order. black helicopters can land on flat, treeless, mountain top removal sites but they can’t land in a mountain covered with forests.

suckers.

Exactly! It all about government sponsored corporations. And a few of you complaining about this were also complaining about free markets. Make up your minds.

Do you know what the difference between a anxiety and fear is. Anxiety is when you don’t know what it is that is making you feel fearful! Fear is when you have named the object that was causing your anxiety! Some people are fearful of Obama coming and arresting them, others of us, not so much! But I think that the fear you are feeling has little to do with the actual chances of you ever being arrested for not having health insurance. Obama has already said that they would not be implementing the mandate for several years if ever!

But here is a new McClatchy poll that shows most people either want the new health insurance reform or they want it to go even further:

“New Poll Undercuts GOP Claims of a Midterm Mandate
By Steven Thomma | McClatchy Newspapers

“WASHINGTON — A majority of Americans want the Congress to keep the new health care law or actually expand it, despite Republican claims that they have a mandate from the people to kill it, according to a new McClatchy-Marist poll.

“The post-election survey showed that 51 percent of registered voters want to keep the law or change it to do more, while 44 percent want to change it to do less or repeal it altogether.

“Driving support for the law: Voters by margins of 2-1 or greater want to keep some of its best-known benefits, such as barring insurers from denying coverage for pre-existing conditions. One thing they don’t like: the mandate that everyone must buy insurance.

“At the same time, the survey showed that a majority of voters side with the Democrats on another hot-button issue, extending the Bush era tax cuts that are set to expire Dec. 31 only for those making less than $250,000.

“The poll also showed the country split over ending the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy prohibiting gays and lesbians from serving openly in the military, with 47 percent favoring its repeal and 48 percent opposing it.

“The results signal a more complicated and challenging political landscape for Republicans in Congress than their sweeping midterm wins suggested. Party leaders call the election a mandate, and vow votes to repeal the health care law and to block an extension of middle-class tax cuts unless tax cuts for the wealthy also are extended.”

Read full story with visuals at:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/11/22/104152/poll-majority-of-americans-want.html#ixzz168BNRY6w

Yes, and yes… to both Johnny and H.P. One only follow Glenn Greenwald, Scott Horton, Andy Worthington, and Jeff Kaye, among others, to know that the Bush-era depredations continue on… with some cosmetic modifications.

But the Rand Paul’s and the rest of the Fauxbotomized Reich Wing LOVE that stuff… but here Rand Paul is talking about passage of the healthcare bill as being the proximate cause leading to martial law and detention camps, which has no basis in reality but it is being used to push the deeply-paranoid narrative that anything that government does is a step down that slippery slope to totalitarian dictatorship.

While Zionists (AIPAC) are selling us out, and robbing us blind, teabaggers continue to obsess about Obama….morons!

Me too. I like to be reminded that psychos can be elected by other psychos.

It was a little ambiguous, he was asked about it and said that he would cut them but then it came out that nearly 50% of his declared income of about $46,000 a year was coming from Medicare patients. Now that he is in the seat he is less likely to make the changes that he promised his rabid teaparty libertarians because he knows that he may have to earn a living as an optometrist again!

Doesn”t say much for the voters in Kentucky either.

are there any queers in the theatre tonight?
get them up against the wall.
there’s one in the spot light, he don’t look right to me, get him up against the wall.
that one looks jewish!
and that ones a coon!
who let all this riff-raff into the room?
there’s one smoking a joint and another with spots.
if i had my way i’d have all of them shot.

I haven’t seen anything that says Hayek denounced his earlier work, he spent most of his life refining what he had said in his first major book, “The Road To Serfdom” (1944). The more comprehensive “The Constitution of Liberty” (1960) was an attempt to show how the criticism laid down in “The Road To Serfdom” could be turned into a government program.

Ironic from someone who was adamantly against government in many ways yet spent his whole life working at a Public University as a tenured professor completely eschewing the life of risk and joblessness that his policies would generate for thousands of others.

There are many problems with Hayek: for one thing he has a particularly ambiguous form. He always lays out a fairly normal or what we might refer to as a fairly normal middle of the road position that he claims he agrees with. For instance that government should do this or that, such as provide minimum wages and health care for those who are out of work, and claims that there is always a place for government in this or that arena, but… and there is always a but he then goes on a long-winded rant that when it has reached its terminal point, has swept away any remnants of the original position that he said he supported before the “but…”. And that all has to do with his twin claims that he isn’t providing a slippery slope argument, in other words all government programs don’t lead to a fascist dictatorship like Hitlers, “but” on the other hand, he says that one can never know where a government program can go to far and lead directly to a fascist dictatorship like Hitler’s. He does soften the Hitler analogy the further he gets from WWII in time, but he also becomes more adamant about progressive taxation being a loss of freedom leading to tyranny–which roughly translated is a fascist dictatorship like Hitler’s.

As one reader says in the preface or introduction to the latest edition of “The Road To Serfdom”: (paraphrasing) there are some things here that the right will be able to support and some things here that the left will be able to support.

I didn’t find much that I could support for the reason already stated. I also didn’t see anything that led me to believe that he could actually create such a government without a complete disruption of the current system. There are numerous reasons why the more we privatize the more things cost and the less we have to spend on them. Take the Pentagon under Rumsfeld. He basically decided that he would privatize the military. In 2000 the Pentagon budget was under $400 Billion a year, now it is nearly $800 Billion a year–it doubled under privatization. That is becuase private business interests do everything so much more efficiently! Especially defense contractors!

Imagine if we did everything like that! The Military dictatorship did in Chile under Augusto Pinochet. His fascist regime was the first real Chicago School laboratory. Using Fascism to institute policies that were supposedly anathema to Heyak’s socialistic definition of Fascism. The second was Argentina under the military dictatorship there in the late 70s.

Then just to prove that these policies could be implemented under conditions only slightly less dictatorial than those two regimes, they were implemented under Thatcher and Reagan in England and America. But Thatcher went much further than Reagan did. She also privatized water sales, electricity etc..

Ah—the Nazi gag once again. His past history teachers must be pretty disappointed with such references-grade:F. The bit about health care reform possibly leading to martial law is very entertaining though. Sieg heil to you there Rand and all the dummies that believe you and voted for you.

And then of course there is this just in today from The New York Times:

Corporate Profits Were the Highest on Record Last Quarter
By CATHERINE RAMPELL 10:57 AM ET

American companies had their best quarter ever, according to a report that also showed the nation’s output growing faster than initial estimates.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/24/business/economy/24econ.html?_r=1&hp

Obama sure has destroyed the American economy hasn’t he–business is making record profits, sitting on their record profits, and freezing out the American worker until they get a Republican President.

And these slimy no-neck monsters are making it sound like they are all on the verge of disaster becuase of Obama’s polcies and because half the people don’t even know the Republicans took back the house expect none of them to hear about this.

Amazing!!!!!

http://stfuconservatives.tumblr.com/post/661229562

(Quote)a nation of chattering monkeys, more absorbed with their own self-satisfaction than achieving anything of lasting and worthwhile value.(Quote)

Which is why a person like Rand Paul got elected in the first place.You just summed up the entire Tea Party and yourself with that one sentence. Now sit back and watch your republican party along with it’s little rag-tag bunch of Tea Party favorites achieve NOTHING.

Funny you forgot Sarah Palin, whose first book sold far more than Obama’s did until he ran for President! But don’t ever let the facts get in the way of a good story!

Rand Paul appears to be a spoiled childish man who throws temper tantrums when he is crossed or doesn’t get his way. How sad that this kind of person was elected.

I believe Rand Paul is right. For one thing, when you expand goverment it has more control. Hitler did that. Obama is doing that. And these flu shots most are made quick (in China)and put out there. And Goverment run Health care, means they will say who gets the care. Taking away from Social Society and medacare/medacaid is a way to kill off us seniors. Social Society was stolen from us when they put it in the general fund. (by a democrat POTUS and congress) Sociel Society has not raised in 2 years, but the congress has got nice fat ones
When Obama care came out health insurance went up in cost. I don’t know the answer to health care but sure is not Obama care, ( rob peter to pay paul )

Mr. Paul you need to look up the word Nazism prior to calling some one a Nazi. Oh, by the way if your looking to make government smaller, who takes over corporate America and that would make you a Nazi.

You are the biggest idiot on this site, dennywannabe.

You never have anything valid to say. You just insult people, poorly.

Hey, can you make up another tired “medication” joke for us?

Oh, I see you’ve already done it!

For the 245th time!

Here’s a news flash, you are not funny, and you never have been.

Adolph Hitler gained complete control of Germany by declaring martial law after the Reichstag was set on fire by a communist sympathizer.That is debateable to this day because behind the scene stories were that Hermann Goering actually ordered the fire be set. Now what that has to do with the passing of health care reform and that our current President is like Hitler is beyond me.
If people choose to question certain bills that are passed-that’s fine. Is it too much to ask to remain factual? These references to Hitler are being used by uninformed people who are evidently too lazy to read any history books. A mandate on health care could lead to martial law-I’ve never heard anything so perposterous before-and that coming from a Senator-elect.

Does he care than Palin is a secessionist traitor?

http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/sarah-palin-and-the-alaska-independence-party-palin-addresses-aip/33c70bd0745f8ef3e74233c70bd0745f8ef3e742-268862817287?q=sarah%20palin%27s%20alaska%20ratings&FROM=LKVR5&GT1=LKVR5&FORM=LKVR

Palin isn’t a politician. She’s a reality show star.

Rand Paul was running against Jack Conway, a guy who is glad to throw medical marijuana users in prison.

So with Rand Paul’s stupid views on health care, and with Jack Conway’s stupid views on crime and drugs…. who should progressives have voted for?

Hay a good point! How meny ZARS has Obama apointed? Witch one is his Hermann Goerning? He travels with around 3,000 security guards a small army I say. Obama care is just a start next come cap and trade for onething. And more mandates if he has his way.

Gotta hate those Jews huh. No matter what is being printed its the Jews fault huh?

You probably won’t be back to read this, but FWIW I’ll post anyway.

Free Republic is the largest, most popular right-wing forum. They are very difficult, if not impossible to invade. It takes having long-established accounts in good standing with tons of posts before you can say anything that is not ideologically pure without getting insta-banned and possibly having all your posts deleted. Most of the conservative websites do not allow ANY viewpoints that don’t toe the company line.

A group of us did manage a legendary prank/troll on the freepers once, but it was a matter of fortunate timing, changing the meta-data on a website for them to ‘find’, relying on their paranoia, and having a couple of old accounts that got ‘burned’ and some new ones that didn’t last long. It sure did work them up into a frenzy, though, and some of them still think they discovered a vast conspiracy, and think the story it was a prank is just a cover-up.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2337877/posts?page=1
The teabaggers are a little easier, but they have had some pretty big invasions, so they are getting better at noticing it. Most of them use Ning, so you need to have people with ning accounts, the older the better. Tea Party Nation, IMO, is the funnest to hang out at, there are genuinely insane people there, so the crazier your posts are, the better you fit in. Of course, you have to act right-wing crazy (the only thing liberal about them is the use of the banhammer), but with a little bit of prodding, in the private areas of the site, it is incredible how vicious, racist, homophobic, and militant even the high-profile people over there will get. I have been saving screencaps for quite a while.

The Tea Party Patriots site got raided by /b/ a couple of months ago and the site got flooded with tens of thousands of bi-racial shock porn pics, some of the users got extremely upset, so now they are pretty sensitive to anything that doesn’t fit with their narrow view of the world. Basically, you can get banned for anything, I have even seen people get banned for saying they have seen Obama’s birth certificate on the internet.

Of course, the most right-wing hate site is stormfront, but spending any time there is likely to either get you on every fed watchlist, or given a shower in zyklon-b.

NAZI – German abbreviation of “National Socialist”. Except for the later warfare and genocide, western governments at the time, including the USA under Hoover & Roosevelt, were all implementing similar socialist platforms.

“You had the money destroyed in Germany in 1923 and out of that chaos came Hitler who promised that these awful people were the ones doing this to you and we need to round them up and put them in camps.”

That sounds a lot more like Rand (using economy,brown shirts) campaigning with fear and the other paranoid ‘conservatives” who would like to see Mexicans rounded up and put into camps.

And this coming from the person who cries”wolf.” Fox News is poisoning you, the fallen are very easy to spot.

Hay, meny Zars apointed. Witch. That explains it all.

Another moran troll.

For one thing, when you expand goverment it has more control. Hitler did that. Obama is doing that.

Nope. Hitler took over the government, he didn’t expand the government. Confusing the two is an insult to all the socialists and communist Hitler had arrested (and later killed) when he took over.

Obama is passing legislation through a democratically elected Congress.

And these flu shots most are made quick (in China)and put out there.

If you are afraid of a flu shot, don’t get one. To the best of my knowledge all flu shots given in America come from Ireland, Canada, Spain, and Germany as well as domestically. I am unaware of any Chinese facility being licensed to produce flu shots for the American market.

Goverment run Health care, means they will say who gets the care.

Guess what? Medicare doesn’t tell you what doctor you must use. Medicare doesn’t tell you when or if you may see a doctor.Medicare will pay for any and all legitimate care and / or treatment and do it a lot faster than any private insurance company. There is nothing in any legislation even hinting that Medicare or the Health Care Affordability Act is or will deny care.

Taking away from Social Society and medacare/medacaid is a way to kill off us seniors.

Then look to the Republicans. They are the ones who want to change eligibility and pay outs.

Social Society was stolen from us when they put it in the general fund. (by a democrat POTUS and congress) Sociel Society has not raised in 2 years, but the congress has got nice fat ones

Another incorrect statement.Social Security is still a separate part of the government and all contributions and payments are to and from Social security. The Republicans want to merge Social Security Trust Fund into the general fund and reduce payments. They also want to give your Social Security Trust Fund to Wall Street.

When Obama care came out health insurance went up in cost. I don’t know the answer to health care but sure is not Obama care,

My health care costs have gone up every year for at least 10 years. Giving Health Insurance CEOs eight figure bonuses is one reason. Your “Obama care” will help put the brakes to the out of control insurance rate hikes.

I’m not surprised though. Your factual errors are all tea bagger mantra.

There is way too much sensitivity in this country, especially about invoking Hitler. This is not news, I really don’t give a shit. Let’s see what kind of Senator he turns out to be.

Our government is full of fascists. Yeah I know, it’s horrible…..that I pointed it out.

“Speaking to well-known conspiracy theorist and 9/11 Truther Alex Jones of Infowars…”

This is why I hold out some hope that a bit of common ground can be found between Liberals and Tea Partiers. There are members of the Tea Party who are aware that 9/11 was a false flag event. The republicons are in a major tizzy trying to figure out how to handle this.

We can reach common ground by the path of gun rights. This strategy stands a reasonable chance of success, again with the goal being to cut the strings of the puppet masters; to take out the Plutocracy that illegally occupies our government.

nipplewrench, The comparisons that people make to support this claim are what most sane people are questioning. Yes Obama has expanded the government influence over a number of issues as did Hitler in the beginning of his rule. But Hitler did a lot of things that have no Obama analogue. And visa versa. I mean you can take this any direction you want. For example… Hitler had a very good design sense. That must mean Milton Glaser and the Queer Eye guys are Nazis too. Hitler and Charlie Chaplin shared the same taste in mustache grooming. Obvious huh? Not really. And…

As for the mandate argument. This is not a proven gateway to Nazism, Socialism or any other ism. We live under mandates all of the time. Some of them for very good reasons. Granted we should always keep our eyes open and our awareness keen about these issues. But comparing this administration to Germany’s Nazi regime has NO basis. Obama has done some very disappointing things. But throwing more money at healthcare and the education/arts/science fields are not something a sick and undereducated country like America should be complaining about. You are required to go to school. Why? because a nation of idiots becomes a burden that not even the “greatest” country in the world can shoulder. This healthcare plan is a new, and therefore foreign concept, but requiring the country have the option to stay well seems like a no brainer. I’ll tell you this… I’m not completely convinced that it is yet either, but I’ll holding my comparisons of Obama to the world’s dictators until there is real evidence.

Oh… and what Mr. Fusion said below too>>>

The right wingers are a crack up. They are desparate to rewrite history.

The facist’s bitter enemies were the left. Mussolini imprisoned Gramsci, Hitler sent the leftisits from France to the Holocaust camp.

Mein Kampf was a rip off a a book written by a right wing American. The right wing Americans supported the Nazis, for instant Prescott Bush, the father of Bush Sr and grandfather of Bush Jr.

Bush Jr had openly desired to be a dictator. Went around acting like a dicator wannabe with his whiny, “I’m the decider” rant. Of course the little wimp is a little wimp no matter how many photo opts he does.

Everyone should.

Paul is right and Obama is merely Bush Light. Obama is lying garbage and will not win re-election.

Progessives are stupid. 9-11 was an inside job. Wake up.

Get real. You have NO understanding of Libertarianism nor the fact that they would support your dignity and your rights and freedoms much more than the evil war-loving mainline Republicans or the welfare and big government/big brother loving scumbag Democrats. Why are Americans so dumb that they cannot understand this?

9-11 was clearly an inside job and Obama works with Bush to make sure it stays covered up. Obama continues Bush’s programs of assassination for American citizens, secret renditions, war in Afghanistan, burying the nation in insurmountable debt, and vilifying Iran to help Israel.

Pretty sure no one raised the subject other than yourself. Nice attempt at changing the subject, though, which was that Rand Paul is apparently a racist, as clearly indicated by numerous of his own recorded statements.
Was there something that I said that indicated to you that I am either not aware or choose to disbelieve that there are numerous greedy, corporatist neocons in power in the Democratic Party or something?

What’s not to discredit? His fake teaggieness? His rug? His fraudulent medical accreditation? His string of flip-flops? His self-admitted racism? Make a list.

“Why in the hell did Obama get so obsessed with “bipartisanship”?”

Because he is closer to a Reagan Republican than a Clinton Democrat.

But there is a difference. One panders to the right and the other panders to the extreme far right.

Yeah but he’s coming to take our guns. OK, maybe not personally but he’ll send big scary negros.
Good thing we bought up all the bullets.

Under Rand Paul Optometrist Society psuedo-certification, of course.

Yo, nipples! Spelling. Punctuation. Facts. You’re lacking in every case. And by the way:

“Education is dangerous – Every educated person is a future enemy.”
-Hermann Göring-

I see. So it was Bush who started us down the road to martial law-Obama is just continuing the trend. Why is Rand blaming Obama then? Why is the “nipplewrench” blaming Obama? Thanks for clearing me up! lol
Hey nipplewrench-I guess that Lindsey Graham is one of “meny ZARS” that Obama has appointed-his Hermann Goering. Graham has been very vocal about attacking Iran lately.

I agree completely except that, the TSA groping and naked body scanning fiasco could be an even better bit of common ground. No one wants to be touched. TSA scandal is on raw, huffington, drudge and wnd. Its also all over Dinosaur Media.

This could be it. The one issue that brings people together on the right and left against the issue of the security apparatus in America.

The tea party was made possible by Ron Paul; Ron Paul was made possible by the liberty movement; The liberty movement was reinvigorated by 9-11 truth.

and in case anyone wasn’t aware 9-11 was an inside job
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2_srNT8-Ow&feature=fvsr

Just look at building 7, no plane, small fires
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A

Why is it that I’ve never encountered a single right-wing troll who can spell, use proper punctuation or grammar or, when confronted with irrefutable facts responds with anything other than insults and gibberish?

Nice work.

Actually, it was 244. Now this one will be the 245th time. It is nice that your medication is keeping you up to speed. When the tories get done with you, your meds will also run out.

What book did “Mein Kampf” rip off? Who was the author? When was it written?
=thanx!

The fuse inside Rand Paul’s head has been blown out for months. Someone, please, replace it.

Ah, wasn’t this guy on IG Farbin’s payroll. STFU. Obama is a social globalist. Rand Paul is a Nazi.

One foot note. When war finally came again, my mother was a young lady in Hungary. She told me they all hoped the Germans would get there first because they were more afraid of the Russians.

The moral of the story is they are all full of shit. They will all step all over you and which one you side with depends on the color of your skin of whatever other factor you figure will get you kicked in the face the least amount of times.

That’s why our founding fathers gave us guns. And I am pro-gun control so how fucked up is that?

If this was a smoldering field in eastern Europe this would be called the fog of war.

The hundreds of years western civilization spent growing out from under the shadow of men like this and we still take their pictures instead of shooting them like dogs.

If I became king tomorrow I would line each and everyone one of our nations leaders up against the wall and make them explain themselves. The first one to studder would be meat for my all volunteer army. Mangle that constitution brother.

Just because he is right doesn’t mean he isn’t completely wrong.

Und kine Eier?

Here is the thing dude. Aint a damn sane person in this country think we have been told the truth. Aint no doubt there was a cover-up. OF SOME KIND.

I don’t see any reason to doubt a false flag, I have read our history. I just don’t see the proof. I would be just as much sausage fodder if I blindly bought into that as I would be if I believe anything the government has said on it either.

Common ground is we are in two wars, massive debt and have been ripped off by a financial institution that is systemically tied to our leadership in extremely uncool ways.

And all of that has to change. Tea Baggers get my nod as soon as they lay down some fact based truth and take out the dude with the M-16 and the guy with the Nazi shit. Because that shit and the born again crap make me think you are also full of shit. No offense, that’s just the reality.

Like when I say how will you fix the economy and you say, tax cuts for the wealthy, I say. “Bro, I am fine, I am wealth remember, asked you a fucking question and I am going to sit here till I get an answer or I am going to shoot you in the face with that gun you made sure I could walk in here with.”

Bullshit doesn’t cut it and up till now that is all I have heard from the Tea Party. I didn’t even see a single T on my ballot just R and D so what Tea Party are you fucking talking about… That Kock funded bullshit? American Cross Roads GPS what fucking Tea Party?

And no Eggs?

no balls

I don’t think testicles translates as “Eier” in german, “cajones” and “huevos” are two different things in spanish. But if that’s a real expression it’s interesting how masculine “balls” is feminine “eggs” in german… maybe only for FemiNazis? I’ll have to look that up. Thanx for the expression! “cajones rancheros” yuck! Not for me! Probably would be an extra shot of testosterone though, but I think I’ve got enough…

You could well be right but prove it. I would be a fool to follow you or the government blindly, I doubt everyone now.

Only thing that has been proven to me to a reasonable degree of certainty over the last few decades is that we most definitely are hairless monkeys. Some more hairless that others.

At least the fossil record is so damn complete now you have to be completely full of shit to argue against it.

You are more than likely right dude, but I have seen less facts from you guys than from the liars, so. Yeah I looked all up and down everything eng and archi say about it. It’s not enough, not good enough. And I do know how full of shit our government and media are. I also know how full of shit the Koch brothers are so… that leaves me doubting everyone but the guy with a bag of factual fucking information.

Speculation and doubt do not on their own add up to truth.

Haha, bro I gotta admit, I am suspicious of any people who personify pencils and door frames. That whole, it’s a girl thing gave me the fricken Willies in french class. Yes schooled in Canada, no choice. SHAME!

Anyway. The idea was that yanno Germany was hash cookies and the Jews were the eggs, once they tossed out the eggs the cookies might have been easier on the arteries, but they were flat and with no flavor.

I guess a refinement of the idea is that Jews add flavor to any society they become a part of.

Hash cookies are all about the eggs. Far as I gather the idea didn’t come from here, but I stumbled on it through the band Tool, you know the sell outs. That’s right Maynard fuck you buddy.

Anyhoe, it’s from the song Die Eier Von Satan. Turn that shit on in a room full of people who don’t speak German and you’ll know why I think people are a slippery slide away from a fish wriggling on a wooden warf next to my boot. They are over reacting.

In this case balls could be anything fitting the description. Tennis balls, your enemie’s hung by the fire etc.

in league with

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZURi-0j05E4&feature=related

Once again man. Winsdors tower? Are you kidding me? DO you know what was different about Winsdors tower? Mass. Come on. I took physics in high school. Far as that beam of metal on floor 12, the mass above it makes a really big difference.

I am not stupid. I know people who decent are shut up and fast. It’s easy to shut people up, I get it. But none of this is proof. That little leather bound book you got isn’t proof of god either.

Only thing I can look at and, on my own decide, there really is enough fact here to make a call on is you evolved from a monkey just like me. That’s a pretty god damned complete fossil record if you bother to look. That’s proof. This is crappy video made by hacks.

And on that note. With all the high end digital cameras floating aroun on assholes cellphones, YES I do damn well expect a decent picture, so I don’t have to squint to find the ALIEN MOTHER SHIP. FUCK YOU!

That really is the problem isn’t it. You chose, asshole or douche. I swear to god if I ever walk into an election booth wanting to vote for someone (sorry HOPE doesn’t cut muster around here son) I just might die of shock.

The crook or the rapist, pick one.

I do. Austrian school of economics. Economic theories largely discredited. National Socialists. Born again Christian zealots.

Take you god and shove him up you asshole. I know all about libertarians, I was raised by one of those lying sacks of shit. If you are a really libertarian you know the same thing I do, god is a bullet. We know you guys. You are in our history books. Fuck you!

re-write history, that’s what a libertarian does. Austrian SCHOOL ARE YOU FUCKING FOR REAL eat my left ball son. Only thing more uneducated than a libertarian is an unborn dog. Nazi, know to all, known well.

Wait WHAT? Where do you get your information son. I was the first guy telling people not to bother with the swine flu shot because (well because it was rushed by a bullshit company that wasn’t taking proper precautions, not because vaccines don’t work, they do, awesome science, fact.

But I have to ask you what you are smoking because you are full of shit. Zero doses of swine fly vaccine were made in China, stop spreading lies asshole.

Lets not forget to add to the mix the 8 years of vast government expansion under Republican President G.B.

The whole arguement about bigger government is bullshit. Big is applied to things Republicans do not like. They love big government coming into gay peoples homes and lynching them. They want a fricken government agency to watch dog unwed female teachers. To follow rape victims around to make sure they carry the baby to term.

That’s all pretty big government if you ask me.

Governments are big. The biggest shit on the planet. Only way to get away from that is to go live in the Ozarks.

Yeah I like paved roads, kids in school, public transportation and garbage trucks. All signs of HUMONGOUS government. So is your fucking Senator sons.

Son of Behemoth is right. That’s just indisputable, unless you hail from Candy Land.

Pot is not a gateway drug, neither is putting kids in schools.

Church? Yeah that gateways into killing infidels and raping kids cause it’s gods will they have your baby right?

Exactly sumdum. That is something that you realize as time passes that this two party system isnt really interested in the integrity of their party platforms they only complain about action when their party isnt the one implementing it. Both parties are guilty of this but this is one of the biggest republican hypocrisies.

Word as law brother.

PS you can just call me dum. I like it.

That my friend is only a small small part of what was done, and to many in Germany sat around a table insulting people who warned them this was all going to go south fast.

The western world sat around and waited for Germany to do it twice.

So at thanks giving dinner, when the host got mad at me, suggesting it was hyperbole when I called Rand Paul a Nazi. Well lets just say we got into what being a Nazi is and why that shit needs to be shut down asap.

One thing can be stopped, fixed, cured. It’s the thousand little cuts that kill you in the end.

You are probably right, but I didn’t by into the god myth. No proof, that I find in fossils. So I have to once again say, show me the money.

You are probably right? But until you can prove something, it’s just hear-say. I don’t accept the governments accounting, and I don’t accept yours. Not as fact. Probability yes. Not fact.

Facts are provable and repeatable.

I am certainly not going to be basing any of my life decisions on hear-say be it official party line of fringe rant. I am not labeling you bro, either fits. Depends on the party you’re attending.

For an uneducated, fact-less moron you’re pretty smart. Yes Bush turned the militarization switch on, just like Nixon and Reagan before him.

I believe it was an ex-general, ex-president who warned us all in his farewell address. But like the guy who cried Nazi in the early days of Hitlers Germany he was largely ignored. Ignored at great peril.

And before you dismiss his words maybe you should take a look at his war record.

Ok so you’re a smart SOB if you want to call names. I did say “most” and that is true bacause “most” is what we get from safeway drug dept. here. fact!

yeah.

I agree that drugs sold legitimately are largely more bullshit than a nice joint of Sativa. But I actually had a doubt. I can’t find anything from a reliable source that says any major vaccination program in this country was fed with vaccine made in China. Not one. But bro, this doesn’t mean you and I are on opposing sides of this argument, we aren’t. And if you can show me something legitimate that can confirm that stuff was made in China, any of it I will be the first to admit I was wrong.

And you are right I was being a dick. I hope you take it in the spirit it was intended though, we’re inches apart, but we are separated by an ocean of reliable information. Something that is hard to find.

Again you are probably right, but like I say to the truthers who I do no call wrong, just unproven. Show me the money. In principle you and I are inches apart though.

I don’t want government in my home, I want low taxes but I do not blindly follow bullshit. I am not calling you a liar bro, I am just saying I don’t see it, and I looked.

I beleive there were 76 web sites just shut down with out a warent. thats a start, whats next. Now manatory health Ins. Its manatory to pay SSI. to, but “they” (meaning both partys) stole it, and put it in the GEN. FUND. so “they” could spend it anyway “they” wanted. At frist it was an Ins. like this one. So its not new and have you seen where “they” plan on getting the money from. You buy Ins. it pays the Dr. say $20,000 you pay 40% income tax on that $20,000. is one of the ways. There are more tax’s added in there to. I just haven’t got to read it all. CBO google it, but don’t stop at the frist page look around, and download some of the pdf.s there a lot there.

“9-11 was clearly an inside job and Obama works with Bush” Why you Muslim plant speading lie’s. Go back to your Arab country and your fucking Mohamed killer.

Sorry about my bad temper. But when I go to safeway and the drugist tells me the drugs come out of China it rubs me the wrong way. The vaccince’s I didn’t ask about, but I’ll ask him and see what he say’s. Hope he’s not lieing but he should know where his come from.
Have a good day/eveing/night.

I don’t blame you man. If I was watching the news prepare me to accept China as the latest eternal enemy and my drug dealer told me he was getting his shit from China, I would pause.

And I like my drug dealer.

WOW I’ve never gotten a reply quite like that.

I don’t believe in Jesus as the messiah or any of those other religions. However, they have a lot of good ideas, clues and practices which can make anyones life better and that has to be respected. If you pick around you can find great idea, but people take it literally because they are dumb or totally screwed. In fact I can’t stand fundamentalists who think the earth was created. I’ve never been accused of being one before. Also, I don’t believe in Aliens visiting the earth and I have a degree in biotechnology. So, yeah I believe in evolution.

Chill out man, this is a discussion not a fight.

As far as camera quality, this footage is from about 10 years ago, which means lower quality cameras were available at a higher price.

As far as Physics, mass and the windsor building. I am not sure of the particulars of the building except that they are similar sizes. However, I can show numerous other building of similar size which burned in large hot flames for a day or more and didn’t collapse. If you send me a response I will send you a dozen videos and a bunch of good links.

as far as “This is crappy video made by hacks.” the videos were made by random people near the incident with cameras. I can find a many videos if you like with no commentary, just raw video of similar random people

WTC 7 was not hit by a plane, was a similar height to the windsor building and did not have extensive flames like the windsor building. Also nearby buildings were hit with much larger chunks of WTC 1 and 2. Those building which were far more damaged by debris from 1 nd 2 but they did not collapse. I can provide photos and evidence of those buildings also.

So do you have the balls to reply point by point and engage in a battle of ideas or are you just some castrated wussy who likes to fling insults that mean crap?

Prescott Bush was on the payroll of the Nazis.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4330031689287456187#

Rand Paul might be a racist, I’ve seen a video or two that makes me think that and it makes me sad, because I was hoping Libertarianism would be “cool” but Nazi’s suck

I still believe in Ron Paul.

The Russians were more brutal than the nazis, and killed more than the nazis

If by “they” you mean government, which is a conglomerate of commercial and military power structures. I agree. “they” divide and conquer the other people. When the people fight back, the middle class is created which leads to long term prosperity. Ironically this leads to a resurgence of imperialism/”they”.

You are anti-gun? That means I suspect you of being a plant from “they”. Ever heard of operation mockingbird?

And why not. 2nd amendment = the freedom of citizens to own assault rifles.

“Men like this” Men like who?

“if I became king tomorrow” You might be a sociopath who believes you know what is right for others without ever being in their shoes.
The Constitution is my Shield and Logic is my Sword

Yes that’s the “They” I mean.

I agree with a lot of libertarian principles. I have often agreed with Ron Paul, and I believe you could even track down a time I called him the only honest guy in Washington.

However, Ron and Rand are two different people. There is a very dangerous moment when a man rising to power is confronted by the violence of his supporters. He either cuts it down at the knees, or he breeds an atmosphere around him.

No one educated and indoctrinated to the level of a man like Rand Paul who is certainly not your common hick, makes choices like this without thinking them over.

To be clear as I can, fascism is the merger of corporation and state, but being a fascist doesn’t make you a Nazi.

Yes when I say Nazi I have considered the choice of words, not just in today context, but in historical context as well.

It’s funny you mention old Prescott because if you take a look at the names that sprang from the Bush boat ride over here you find a lot of people you see in the news today. The Huckabees just to name a few.

It’s a very big family and it’s stamped all over every war this nation has waged since the Barbary war, started by one George Bush. How shocking eh? History is a real bitch until you re-write it.

Trust me, republicans aren’t the only people who can hit an eyeball at 3/4 of a mile in gusty winds.

I will look into the history of the Huckabees and the George Bush/ Barbary
Pirate War.

Thanks for the info!

What group ISN’T stupid?
Show me a group of people, including Truthers (and also their opponents), and I’ll show you a mass of mostly-idiots.

The average Truther is brainwashed into the Conservative-Libertarian worldview on healthcare…. which is basically a giveaway of power to some very evil corporations.

I’m not saying Truthers are stupid cuz they’re Truthers.

I’m saying ALL large groups of people contain mostly wingnut-idiots.