Dude if people did more then opt out by just not flying well that is even better! Turn them both down!!

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“suggesting that some travelers may have decided to “opt out” of the screening procedures by not flying at all.”

That’s the way to do it people if you can!

Maybe folks are voting for their Civil Liberties by taking their travel business elsewhere. That’s great news if it’s true!

On the other hand, it might just be that Americans (like me!) are too broke to go anywhere for the holidays, thanks to “Great Depression II: The Corporatists’ Revenge”.

It’ll be interesting to see how this all pans out over the holiday season….

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yep. while these regulations are in place, my family and i will drive or take the train. we’ll never fly again, if that’s what it takes.

1 out of 5 un- or under-employed might have something to do with it, too.

That said, I could see opting out.

And, I cannot believe that statement about only seven people opting out of being scanned -that has to be less than a normal day. Unless, of course, traffic is even lighter than a normal (business flyers) day.

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“News reports on Thursday declared ” I’m curious how news reports for Thursday came out on Wednesday…

Why anyone believes anything they read or see on the internet is beyond me.

It would be great news indeed if folks decided not to fly altogether. The only thing that will stop this assault on our life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness is by hurting the bottom line of the airlines. You want us to fly, ok, NO radiation and NO sexual assault. PERIOD!

It’s too fucking bad the Native Americans didn’t have these scanners when chris-the-fucking-columbus landed his terrorist organization on the shores. Crank those “radiation-zappers” up and it would have prevented the bastards from ever having kids, and filling up the planet with their filth. And, maybe a few “gropes” from the “daughters” of the mayflower. Just for “bragging” purposes.

$$$ is the only thing some people understand

KEEP AN EYE ON AIRLINE SHARE PRICES AND AIRFARES. CHRISTMAS IS A-COMIN’.

you are an idiot…. we should have an airlines that does no screening at all and invite all the terrorist to those flight to cleanse the country of people who sue for spilling coffee on there own laps…. like you….. you are the filth of this country… why dont you take a hiking trip to Iran or IRAQ…. remember this…????????? quit your bitching and take a ferry to hawaii or swim…. walk to your next destination and drag your family…. if not shut up and get screened
http://www.wpix.com/videobeta/b1336ec2-e0a8-4bce-b1cf-5a450f78dea4/News/Mendte-Complaining-About-Airport-Security

i am tired of hearing this crap of civil liberties violations…. think it is bad to get a pat down???
lets try not screening and watch your ass fall from 30,000 ft. on fire…. better yet add your family members as well…. on the way down file a complaint to TSA for not doing their jobs… we need to get rid of our americans that complain about spilling hot coffee on them selves and trying to sue someone else for their stupidity…. as Americans, we forgot about taking responsibility for our actions…. Our countries worst enemy is our selves…. Whining and complaining about our feelings being hurt… For auto mechanics having to take sensitivity awareness training for cussing at their shops…. MAN UP AMERICA AND SPROUT YOUR BALLS BACK…. CRY BABIES SHOULD BE SHOT….. YOU WOULD NEVER HAD MADE IT DURING WW2… AND LET ME GUESS, THIS IS THE REASON THE COLOR YELLOW MAKES YOU SAD…. LIKE THE COMMERCIAL….. REMEMBER 9/11.
http://www.wpix.com/videobeta/b1336ec2-e0a8-4bce-b1cf-5a450f78dea4/News/Mendte-Complaining-About-Airport-Security

Wow – don’t blow yourself up, now.

“Yellow” is the color of your underwear after they humiliate you in front of people walking by. Do they stop heroin from landing up on the streets here from flights? Did you see that the Myth Buster guy got 2 12 inch razors on board an airplane after being scanned? Fucking idiot.

exactly … thats what i’m saying. we really need to expand this policy. we can do the malls first. and then … well … it staggers the mind when you think about how much violence you could curtail. if only they’d had DoJ surveillance cams in that kids basement ten years ago then columbine would never have happened. and if the DoJ was tapping into all of the onstar-equipped cars we could even catch some bank-robberies before they happen.

just so i can keep track, which amendment are we sacrificing next in the name of safety?

. Bull, we win, with the scanners off. With Radiation from the Sun on the Aircrews and Radiation from the Scanners on the TSA crews, we win again. Win, win yes, yes. Happy Thanksgiving, You all. Love ShaJ from Wired

. Bull, we win, with the scanners off. With Radiation from the Sun on the Aircrews and Radiation from the Scanners on the TSA crews, we win again. Win, win yes, yes. Happy Thanksgiving, You all. Love ShaJ from Wired

even if you had a hammer…. what is that person gonna do with that? other than hit a couple of people then get his ass killed by the other passengers…. we have become weak as a country…. when you board a plane everyone should be issued a small baseball bat and then watch if anyone acts up…

ok lets put all your family on a plane that does not get screened and we will watch the plane explode…. that would be great for us that dont cry like lil bitches when we are trying to get our saftey back

dont be that liberal piece of shit that says guns kill people please!!!!!
thats like saying “pencils make you fail tests and cars cause accidents…. thats where americans fail again on taking responsibility for their own actions…. Being fat is a disease…
no its because you eat to fuckin much…..!!!!!!!!!

awwwww lil bitch gets his feelings hurt because they patted him down….. would you like a tissue for your issue???? dont be a cry baby…. take your nuts and beat them against the couch an toughen them up lil girl….

no kidding…. i wont…. hehehe… i really cant believe that us as Americans can be so stuck on this ITS A SMALL WORLD AFTER ALL, MENTALITY …. the people that want to hurt Americans dont care about anything and These people want to complain and treat TSA like the enemy….. They are trying to make everyone safe…. I dont agree with their policy all the time, but thats the people hardly hard at work that everyone VOTED FOR….. SO SHUT THE HELL UP AND BLAME YOUR SELVES

Only 7 people* opted out during the course of the day.

*Of the 7 we chose for the scanners for the entire day.

thank you for your kind reply and the clear demonstration of your IQ. while i made no comments on the issues you refer to, i’ll happily clarify that i’m very careful in educating my young son as to responsible and safe handling of my firearms [long guns and hand guns]. after all, guns don’t kill people, its those little hard things; i am a little overweight but thats because i don’t get enough exercise, though i do try to avoid the worst of the garbage that passes for food these days. while i do believe people need to be more responsible i loved the san.fran decision to stop luring kids to crappy-meals with toys.

so … how do any of those relate to my sarcastic reply to your clearly conservative inclination toward limiting the liberties and freedoms of the people of the united states as outlined in the bill of rights? i mean, you have heard of that, right?

happy thanksgiving.

Shhhh. You are really embarrassing yourself.

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” — Benjamin Franklin

Clearly you do not deserve the liberties that have been given you. You authoritarians are the yellow ones — so scared of an uncertain world, that you willingly surrender your freedoms at so much as a ‘Boo’ — sniveling, craven cowards one and all.

sorry like i said, i was hoping that you were not….
Well where do you draw the line…. hmmmm. Well times are changing, as is the threat to our beloved country…. Security should adapt to the times… If it means to do pat downs to be safe… Because the Threats are being concealed in underwear now…. I do understand where people are gonna be upset and i dont agree that TSA/ our Government is always reacting instead of acting…. give your idea to mitigate the threats to aviation…. instead of backing people in their complaints give some insight into how the screening process should be????? I work for the government and am distraught on how things dont work or make sense… i say screw every thing and go back to wagons and horses… didnt mean to insult you but i was mad and am glad to have someone calm me down… thank for that:)

Woo freakin’ hoo! Does this mean that we’ve won this round? Fuck, yeah!

Or am I letting the fat lady sing too prematurely?

I’ve always said that the way to hit these bastards back is thru the pocket. I’ve got the same exact idea for healthcare. Drop it! And I mean each and every single one of us drops health insurance. When we get sick whether that be a cold, a hemorrhoid or an ingrown toenail, we go straight to the emergency room. When the lines wrap from New York to California and back, they fuckers will do something. Guaranteed!

All your caps, multiple periods, question marks and exclamation points means shit.

Here the reality: you will die from cancer due to the radiation before you die from a bomb a plane. Guaranteed! Back down. Hold on to your panties. Breath deep. There is no terrorism. Well, there is but it’s in Washington. And whenever they decide to strike again, they will do it, you can rest assured of that.

As for me, I’d rather fall down for 30,000 with dignity. But you can take the proctology exam any time you feel like it.

You know, dude, not everybody enjoys being sexually molested as much as you seem to.

Now, let’s do this: let’s put all of your family thru a scanner, multiple times, and see how long it takes y’all to glow in the dark and start growing cancerous tumors.

Get safety back? What safety?

Now, I’m convinced this guy is on drugs.

Here’s one family who decided to opt out on a Disneyland vacation this go-round.
To Hell with the TSA.

From where I’m looking at, I can’t really tell who the idiot is but you’re looking like one an awful lot.

… or maybe die from a bee sting, which is statistically more likely.

Ok, time to flag this insolent troll.

Hey, does your mother know you’re playing with her computer? Did she give you permission to leave the basement?

Yo! Your mother’s calling. Time to go back to the basement for time out.

Someone else made a good point ‘it was probably 7 out of 7 who were selected for scanning’ – Ha! It would certainly put things into perspective.

No Shit .. this guy actually “believes” in dem scary terrorists (Not you, the guy who’s embarrassing himself.). Dude, the terrorists are our Government.

Are your ready for your rectal exam? Because, you know, those naked body scanners are useless in that case. Dude, you’re the one who is asking for Government as Nanny to wipe your fucking ass. You are no conservative. You are a lame ass fraidy cat.

Dude, Al Qaeda is Bullshit. The underwear bomber was escorted around security without a passport by a “well-dressed” man. There are multiple witnesses. You are being duped by the government you so want to protect and solute. Do a little research. Or at least listen to Alex Jones once in a while.

Its all about the money, It isn’t just Chertoff you need to look at. Here are a few more “characters”….

http://www.cohengroup.net/news/current_news/news010810.cfm

Standing in line and letting security feel you up is not the American way. Telling people who complain about it to “man up” what ever that is, is not the American way. Saying that other Americans should be shot for exercising their freedom of speech is not the American way. If you don’t like what we’re saying, change the channel.

Ok. What do you suggest we do about Security at Airports? Lets just forget security and just cross our fingers that some jackass doesn’t try anything. Apparently you guys are the experts. If you give me some ideas that are good, I promise i will contact the TSA administrator my self. I have Mr. Pistole’s number.

Ok I agree that TSA can be full of shit most of the time, but they are trying. Its what the American people allow most of the time. Not in this case. This is a reaction to the dumb ass kid that burned his crotch. What do you guys suggest. The people in D.C. cant do their jobs right. Lets here some valid suggestions please. Sorry for my comments. I dont want to come of like a dumb cock anymore. and am ashamed. Please help with some suggestion. I am in a postion to relay them to the right people.( don’t ask how. Got into a lot of trouble getting the info i have). I would love to change the way TSA does thing and I have complained and exposed a lot of things that has got me some negative government attention. It seems like i am kinda brain wash lately from all the trouble I have gotten into but screw it….

Can you site your sources. I would love to read more about this.

this is aipac and fellow zionists testing the resolve of the american people. this is only a test. they want to see how far they can push im sure another false flag like 911 will get us in line. just who do we think we are, americans? look for a small nuke to get the sheeple back in the enclosure. you guys should really wake up before its too late. we have the numbers. limbaugh, beck, hartman, maddow, they all answer to the same people. they are sheep herders. dont fall for it. its the zionists

The 105th Congress approved the “initial” (I put parentheses on this word so that when you read the quote below you want go full retard) funding for the Backscatter project in 1997; you know, when Republicans controlled both the House AND the Senate. Bill Clinton signed HR1271 into law on 2/11/98.

“The government began purchasing Rapiscan x-ray machines in 2005, under a Republican Congress and Republican presidency, at Chertoff’s orders. Their application has only accelerated under the Obama administration, at the behest of Homeland Security Director Janet Napolitano (after the Underwear Bomber).”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/ron-paul-tsa-if-tolerate-wrong-us/

If you want to get to the heart of the matter, read this:
http://reason.com/blog/2010/11/23/q-is-this-security-theater-a-1

Here is another great article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/23/fear_pays_chertoff_n_787711.html

What do you think of Ron Paul?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drm9fz48mM4&feature=player_embedded

How about a Republican Congressman from Texas?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc_gq4DGtCo&feature=player_embedded

C230komp; you’re barking at the moon brother.

We haven’t won anything. This is just a reprieve on their part to hold off bad PR.

The Gestapo tactics will begin again tomorrow.

Ok, at Boston Logan early in the morning, Pitt afternoon. Logan was picking about 1 of 50 for scans, previously was 2/3 out of 10 for them. Also had homey time agent to “help” us. The airport was virtually empty for holiday travel, same with Pitt. Have never flown with so few people in the airports for a holiday (especially busiest of the year). Think the reporting focusing on the protests, missed the point, Hardly anyone showed up to fly.

oh sure … i get a perfectly obnoxious sarcastic rant on and you have to go and get all rational on me.

first … what i cherish most as a US citizen is our way of life. if we give that up, then what are we protecting? candidly, i’ll end up in federal lock-up if i go through one of those lines and see them groping my little boy or sliding their hands all over my wife. my sister already enjoyed the tech’s checking her out after going through the back-scatter.

second … neither the scanners nor the sexual assault will protect us. the knicker-bomber was allowed to board a US bound flight after not having a visa, being on a watch list, coming from yemen of all places AND his dad calling to say “my son want’s to do something stupid.” if one didn’t know better one might suspect a really clumsy false flag of some kind being played out. there is no point in worrying about box-cutters, knives, scissors, nail clippers or swords now that the cockpit door is reinforced. you ain’t going to whittle through it. if they really want to blow up an airliner they’re going to waltz right through all of our imposing security and become known as the anal-bomber or something. the fact that they’ve resorted to toner-cartridge bombs says they’re running short of guys who are so eager to spend eternity with 72 virgins that they’ll blow themselves up.

so what do we do? i think there’s something to be said for behavioral profiling like el-al does. i’m no fan of israel but they seem to have that figured out. they laugh at us as we pad chertoff’s bottom line and submit ourselves to back-scatter-porn and unwilling foreplay. in the meanwhile they have no hijackers now and no bombings. of course it helps to know that if you do attempt something like that they’ll shoot you on sight. get some well-trained profilers to interview every last soul in the security queue. have them trained in neurophysiology and any other helpful discipline to help them root out the idiots of the world instead of paying a bunch of minimum wage creeps to confiscate the pilot’s toothpaste.

that’s my increasingly deflationary 2¢.

have a good evening and a fine holiday.

Dude, don’t be getting yourself in trouble. Protest by respectfully contacting your representative and Senators like the rest of us.

As for real security solutions, please realize that security only ends at the airport. If a guy tries to board an airplane in the US with a bomb, that means that the hundreds of billions of dollars we spend on gathering intelligence has failed.

As for the airport, I want a security system that focuses on deceptive behaviors. That way we do not have to guess what the next weapon might be, or where the terrorist has hidden it.

Very cloak and dagger and a way over the top. Just get rid of the scanners and gropings. It is unsafe, untested, illegal and immoral. Yes, the big Immoral word, you can send that to your secret folks. It’s immoral, remember that stuff from church, synagog, or your mom and dad. If they are so stupid they can’t find a terrorist without violating my rights, rifling through my vagina or seeing me naked, then maybe they should pick another line of work.

Ok, interesting result, as usual. Nothing ever proceeds as expected.

But we must keep up the resistance.

TSA will announce it is all part of the asymmetrical response to the evil doers. BTW, many hotels in NYC have dumped their rates for the weekend. Nice rooms starting at $109. What is up?

they think if they lay low a bit we will forget what they are really up to.

opt out of everything until they remember who they work for (the tsa AND the idiot politicians)

and forgt about privatizing the tsa- that dog aint gonna hunt either

Are you aware that for all the annoying abuse of power that we the citizens have to go through, cargo is virtually unscreened as it goes on to the same planes, right? Where they actually pull about 2% out of the line for either the scanner or the pat down, they don’t check cargo at all. If someone were REALLY interested in taking down a plane, all they would have to do is ship something they know would go via plane, and put in an altitude sensitive trigger. I mean come on, how tough is THAT to figure out? And you could do most of it with Radio Shark electronic parts, too, I’m sure.

This isn’t about actual security. It’s about getting the American people used to being treated like shit and not complaining. It’s about how much they can abuse us without us causing too much trouble in return. If it were REALLY about security, they would be checking the ships that bring in cargo, the planes that ship it all over the world, and the trains that ship things across country. That they don’t do any of this should tell you what it’s REALLY about. It’s all about pushing us around and making us take it.

Well, alrighty then! Is this cause for celebration? Lighter traffic than usual…hmmm, maybe the majority of Americans are not sheeple after all! If this is the case, then I must say I am proud of my fellow Americans! Keep it up! I am one who will never fly again unless if these body scan machines and intrusive pat-downs are outlawed. If the majority of my fellow Americans feel this same way and follow through, we can win this battle.

Boy aren’t you just the biggest pussy, so scared of everything. (no offense to pussies)

Right wingers, who point the finger at so-called “whiners”, who are trying to fight for our civil liberties, have to be the most fearful people on the planet.

They can’t have enough guns for their “protection”, are fearful of them thar “fags”, have to drive huge vehicles because they are so afraid of getting in a wreck, and now are suddenly in need of their fellow Americans going through full body scanners, otherwise they might have nightmares about the next time they have to fly.

MAN UP prick!

And you still believe the right wing dribble fiction regarding the woman who sued McDonalds. Pathetic.

Sure you do.
I don’t require an advanced molecular biology degree to know that irradiating my skin with enough radiation to see through all of my clothing, can’t be good. This is because there is NO ‘good’ amount of radiation, unless you are terminal without radiation and chemo. I don’t have cancer. Yet. I’m not interested in being lit up every time I pass a gate, or these fascists-in-charge decide to drive one down my street.
Oh. By the way. I’m the biggest freaking expert on knowing what the hell is right for myself and my family. You’re kowtowing to the Agencies on this is almost as deplorable as your choice in cars. The 230 was the worst car MB ever penned. I always make it a point to look inside one when I see one in traffic. . . . it’s never good . . . but always a laugh.

Matter of time before public transportation deploys the same tactic. TSA needs to change the rules a bit. I will let a hot woman in thongs, half naked pat me down for hours in the back room. She can touch, feel, and smell my junk.

Think Hooters meets Strip club = airport ticket sky rockets.

Let’s see….if they shut all the cancer porno scanners off and no “terrorists” slipped by the TSA neanderthals, I guess that means we don’t need the scanners after all !

The TSA just proved today that the scanners are useless – well, except to Chertoff and the
rest of the terror industrial complex.

Before you start shooting everyone that doesn’t agree with you, please chop off your own arms for violating the innertubres long standing and well known ‘all caps’ policy.

I’d parry you on points, but truth and logic won’t alter your incorrect beliefs. Get a real car.

I’m statistically more likely to be killed by a TSA-burger employee. Or a cop. Or eaten by a dog. Or struck by lightning.

The market would be ripe for ‘Good Phuck N Luck’ airlines. No scans, no molestations, just some above average plane maintenance and a lower rate due to less overhead.

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the totalitarian tiptoe takes a step back -

and it will be forced to continue to do so when WE THE PEOPLE decide that we have had enough of this fascist bs masquerading as democracy and freedom -

use it or lose it, folks………………

(the fema “detention” camps and family-sized black plastic coffins are ready and waiting for you)

I was at SEATAC today, and, indeed, there were fairly few travelers, and many of them were routed through the “old” metal detectors and not subject to the new screenings. There were several of us present for Opt Out Day pamphleting and others doing independent observation of the check points who confirmed this. One local Seattle TV news reporter I spoke with made similar observations.

I am starting to think that the TSA has, indeed, backed off of the invasive procedures for today, as a way of making protesters appear unreliable. Once the “rush” is past, I have no doubt that frequent fliers and others who fly “off peak” will be subjected to the procedures as a matter of course. This is starting to look like a clever move on Pistole’s part to manipulate public opinion, but it does, of course raise some serious questions:

– If TSA leaders are willing to drop invasive security measures for political gain, then what does that say about their belief in the genuine value of these measures?

– If members of the non-frequent flying public aren’t subject to those intrusions during *this* holiday season, how likely are they to call protestors against them “misguided” or otherwise “out there”?

– If the TSA did, in fact, “cave” on scanners this time, how can we, the civil liberties community, turn this into a way to keep pressure on them?

I’m a self-described lefty liberal, myself, but this is clearly an issue that reaches across ideological divides and unites people as Americans, and as human beings with basic rights. The right not to be felt up or irradiated and exposed as a condition of free travel, without probable cause for the search (see 4th Amendment). The right for our children to travel with us, without them being subject to pornographic photographs or child molestation as a condition of their travel (and childhood doesn’t end at age 12, as the TSA would have it!).

Part of pushing back against this affront will be for “left” and “right” to come together on this issue, and not get sidetracked by our other differences. Despite caricatures, we on the left oppose government intrusion of this kind, and will take a stand against it. On this matter, at least, I say, “Tea Baggers and Socialists, Unite!”

‘If the TSA has indeed reduced the use of body scanners, at least for the busy holiday period, it’s something the agency is unlikely to admit to publicly, as it would be seen as a security risk to do so.”

More like it would expose Napalitano as pulling a political stunt to avoid public embarrassment and completely discredit the scanners as worthless shams. In other words, this is an epic political scandal. So who gave the orders for this national stand-down? Was Obama consulted? Napalitano’s hide should be on a platter after this.

I agree this is an issue that crosses political ideologies. You don’t need to be a liberal or conservative to think its wrong for to be subjected to being shown nude, exposed to radiation, and/or sexually groped just to travel by air. As for your question

“If TSA leaders are willing to drop invasive security measures for political gain, then what does that say about their belief in the genuine value of these measures?”

You can reasonably assume their motives for the scanners and the patdowns are also just as political. That is why the TSA still hasn’t given the GAO a cost-benefit justification for the pedoscanners..after more than a year. There isn’t one…unless you count padding Chertoff’s wallet as a valid reason.
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/11/22/tsa-porno-screeners-giant-boondoggle/

They didn’t “miss” the point, they ignored it. Many people chose to opt-out…by refusing to travel. This whole thing cost the airlines BILLIONS. I wonder if they can stand a repeat for Christmas?

Yes, Derek, the next PR wave will claim that, because the TSA’s relaxed security procedures on Wednesday provoked few complaints, ALL their procedures are accepted by the public. The TSA will claim that, as you say, “asymmetrical response” (in the TSA parlance, “keeping them guessing”) was all part of their plan. They will use this rhetoric to try and sidestep the real issues of civil liberties and hope to get away with it. See my post further up the chain.

I have an idea. Ask the TSA why their must-have scanners and must-do patdowns were MIA on what usually the busiest traveling day of the year. Its simple, either they were knowingly endangering public welfare by taking the scanners offline for political theater, or they are fabricating the security needs for these scanners and are abusing their power.

I hope you are right, but let’s not speak too soon. It could be that economic issues have stunted travel this Turkey Day, and that we will have another chance to raise this issue during the Christmas season. We must remain vigilant.

You’re statically more likely to get cancer from these scanners than saved by them.

Indeed! This is the hypocrisy that seems evident. We, as concerned citizens, have to try and prove it to the broader public, however, and that will take effort. See my post above…

Time to short airline stocks!!

Flag, I may not be on the same page with you about FEMA camps (I don’t believe in them), and so on, but let’s have that debate another time. Now, we must recognize that concerned people on the “left” (like me) and the “right” (like many I count as friends) can come together on this issue of basic constitutional rights.

I, for one, do not count this “backing off” or “caving” as a victory. I see it as a calculated strategy by the TSA to help mute dissent about their naked body scanners and their sexual molestation “pat downs.”

As I said, we may share different understandings on other issues, but this is one where we are clearly in agreement. I’m no Libertarian, for example, but I joined the head of Washington’s Libertarian party today to distribute pamphlets at SEATAC airport. While I disagree with Ron Paul on many economic questions, I wholeheartedly agree with him on this matter, and I hate the fact that so many media pundits adopt a “left”-”right” divide and conquer analysis as part of their “news.”

“We the People” includes lefties like me and independent folks like yourself. This is one where we need to work together, or all of us will be screwed.

“we should have an airlines that does no screening at all ”

Private jets have no scrutiny whatsoever. The wealthy travel without restrictions. They don’t even need to file a flight plan in advance, or declare what or who is on-board. There are no inspections, period. No gropedowns. No radioactive pedoscanners. If these security measures are so extremely important…why is private jet travel exempt? Terrorists can afford to throw down $7K to rent a private jet, and ram it into an airliner or airport or who knows what…so again, why aren’t they screened? Maybe because its all political theater thats making a few politically connected corporations very rich, and in no way whatsoever makes you safer.

I used to live in AZ when Napolitano was governor, and I thought she did a good job as AZ governor (given what she had to work with). But this–this betrayal–is sort of like what I went through when McCain went through his “McCain 2.0″ change. He used to be supportable. Now…. Sheesh!

Janet, it seems, has been corrupted by power…. Sad, in the extreme. She used to be so sensible before she had raw, naked (literally) power in her hands (or those of her agents).

Who benefits from all of this?

Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) disclosed possessing stock in L-3 Communications — with a minimum investment of at least $500,000 and a maximum value of $1 million.

L-3 Communications is one of the two main contractors involved in the full-body scanning machines.

Linda Daschle, the wife of former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-S.D.), is actively lobbying for L-3 Communications.

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2010/11/several-federal-lawmakers-invested.html

“We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nation will accept the New World Order.”

- David Rockefeller speaking at a UN Business Conference, Sept. 14, 1994

Google “underwear bomber escorted through security”

Let Kurt Haskell, one of the witnesses tell his story …
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2009/12/flight_253_passenger_kurt_hask.html

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Does that mean the TSA will manufacture an incident, like last year underwear bomber?

“Flag?” Are you pulling a sock-puppet? Anyway, it is no secret that the democrats are part of this nonsense, too. As I’ve said repeatedly, this is not a “left”-”right” issue.

To quote the president, “let me be clear….” I am a self-described American socialist. This does not mean I want the government to feel us up or produce nude photos of children via their x-ray machines.

Who benefits from all of this? Michael Chertoff, Bush’s former DHS pick. Who benefits from this? The Bush-era appointees who pushed for x-ray scanners in 2005. Who benefits from this? Janet Napolitano and the Obama administration (or so they think…).

For your own record, as an American socialist, I consider the president to be a center-right corporate-owned democrat. I am a socialist. Believe me, Barack Obama is no socialist.

But this is beside the point. Right now, we have a major assault on our civil liberties underway by *both* parties, because they are both corporate shills, more interested in profits from sales of x-ray machines and the “selling” of public opinion than our basic constitutional rights.

Let’s work together on this basic issue; we can debate other issues (and I expect we will). For now, I’m happy to put differences aside and focus on these basic freedoms: reasonable searches at airports that don’t violate our 4th amendment rights; not treating all travelers as equally threatening at check points. On this question, at least, we can both agree and take a stand for our constitutional rights.

Empty airports are good. It will have a message to the airline: don’t screw with me! or I will screw you! How much money did the airlines loose?

Flag, sorry about the sockpuppet comment. I retract it.

I do think this is a political game, with very high stakes. I’ve also found myself in the “strange bedfellows” category with Kathleen Parker. Parker posted an excellent quote about this issue that will be extremely important in the next few days, as media “interpret” the events of today and the days ahead:

“This isn’t merely a matter of modesty, though that is a consideration. I don’t like the idea of some stranger examining my concessions to gravity without my permission. Surrendering to rule shouldn’t be …confused with granting permission. One is submission; the other an invitation to mutual consent.”

This is key: “Surrendering to rule shouldn’t be …confused with granting permission. One is submission; the other an invitation to mutual consent.”

We also opted out of a trip to San Diego and told AAL about the reason.

I’m not paranoid enough (yet) to think that the underpants bomber was a TSA plant. Let’s face it. There are real threats in the world, and our government does do its part to escalate them. We have to face up to that and accept it.

What we don’t have to do is surrender our constitutional rights in the interest of a false security. Living in a free society entails risks, and I am willing to take the m. I also favor international (and local) policies that recognize the humanity of individuals regardless of race, creed, class or gender.

If those rights are to be abrogated for “security” reasons, there had better be provable probable cause. Otherwise, the terrorists, have won.

Too late, the terrorists already won.

This was a decision made long before Napalitano took over. The contracts had been signed and the money allocated. Napalitano would have a very difficult time canceling the contract.

The right wing nuts have a majority of Americans afraid of their own shadows. The last thing the Obama Administration needs is the accusation Obama is soft on terrorism.

At the same time Napalitano has to walk that fine line of not offending the Democrat base too much. Even if she sees the futility of the scanners and pat downs, she still must follow the “party line.”

We stayed home for financial reasons. IF we were to go anywhere, we would have driven.

In this hypercapitalist society, we have to vote with our dollars, and we voted to not spend the money with the airlines! Excellent!

According to the Health Ranger, the TSA goons are not changing their latex gloves, and they could be spreading infectious diseases. See: http://www.opednews.com/populum/linkframe.php?linkid=122493

According to the Health Ranger, the TSA goons are not changing their latex gloves, and they could be spreading infectious diseases. See: http://www.opednews.com/populum/linkframe.php?linkid=122493

I flew through one of the major airports, and it was packed. Everyone in my line was required to go through the bodyscanner or to be patted down. I was warned by a scientist friend NOT to go through the bodyscanner, because of the amount of radiation it subjects you to, so I got the patdown. It was unpleasant and much more intrusive than the usual patdown. After politely announcing what she had to do, the TSA agent ran her hands around the rim of my pants, along my bosom, under my arms, up and down my inner things, all along my collar bone.

I kept thinking, millions of people and I in the US, law-abiding citizens, have to be felt up like this if I refuse to be fried by that damned radioactive machine that’s making Michael Chertoff, the Daschles, Kerry, and this Chopra guy rich, spied on, treated like terrorists, while billions of our tax dollars are poured into the drains called Iraq and Afghanistan and Somalia and Pakistan, and now Yemen, and the “terrorists” continue to do whatever they want? What a horrible joke!

As usual the news reports are doing their best to downplay American citizen’s resistance against physical and constitutional violations by TSA.

Nevertheless the message is clear the people’ resistance is awakening – we will bring down the airlines to their knees and put TSA out of business!!!

Good.

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Please koelschwolf, wrkrcoop, and all, the TSA does not run Black Ops, the CIA and its partner foreign intelligence agencies do.

You said, “I’m not paranoid enough (yet) to think that the underpants bomber was a TSA plant.”

Paranoia is an unfounded or exaggerated distrust of others. So please google “Kurt Haskell” for a beginning foundation to support the idea that the Christmas Day underwear bomber, commonly referred to in the MSM as the “Christmas Day Bombing” as if it actually occurred, was an intelligence operation.

Google “kurt haskell fraud and scam” too.

Happy Thanksgiving!

The people who got your idea of ‘safety” treatment from were charged with a crime. So coward, do me and other “home of the brave” Americans a favor. DON’T FLY. Most of us aren’t as afraid of their own shadow as you-do you make your kids go first to see what ‘bumped’ in the night? Pathetic…and yes, your car is a joke.

Oh FFS! There are no terrorists. None. Government is the enemy of the people.

[...] News reports on Thursday declared the National Opt-Out Day protest against TSA screening procedures a bust, noting short wait times at airport security screening and TSA reports that there wasn’t any spike in passengers opting out of body scanners. Read More Here [...]

[...] Did TSA cave on scanners for Thanksgiving rush? [...]

[...] I flew from Chicago to Denver a couple days ago and airport security seemed really laid-back, maybe this is why. I wonder if a lot of screeners working at TSA know the new standards are kind of silly and are not [...]

The TSA Loses and Free Americans Win “Opt Out” Day battle. They Turned off the Scanners and showed their fear. Mikie H., Cherkmeoff, Nappiehead and Pissote are all losers, LoooWhoooSirs. And the Next “Opt Out” Day is….. 24 DEC. 2010. Happy Thanksgiving everyone, Love ShaJ from Wired

okay Mr. Chertoff

It’s coming, trust me.

If they’re turning off the scanners it only reinforces that use of those scanners is not about security, it’s about intimidation and control of the populace.

[...] anyone surprised that TSA went out of its way to make the Thanksgiving travel experience as seamless and painless as possible?  Especially when [...]

I wouldn’t doubt if she’s been threatened with treason if she didn’t follow orders exactly regarding all of this.

She actually tried to defuse the underwear bomber false flag event initially, but was ridiculed and banished to non-TV land.

Please read my article:
http://www.mediaroots.org/stop-the-airport-body-scammers.php

“Security Theater.” Purported security measures that look effective buy are really ineffective.

On CNN last night Sanjay Gupta, filling in for Anderson Pooper, repeatedly referred to the opt-out protest as ‘ridiculous’ and ‘absurd’ and an ‘outright failure’ (paraphrasing).
Perhaps Dr. Gupta should stick to rocket surgery and leave the journalism to the journalists.

Meantime, it occurred to me that the most clear and present danger in any American or other western city has to be a Mumbai type terrorist attack for which no amount of groping and scanning will ever be a deterrent as the tactic involves no importing of weaponry whatsoever, just a visit to the local gun show and a quick stop at the supermarket for bomb materials like the foiled millennium bombers, whose goodies were virtually all sourced in Canadian supermarkets and drug stores and stolen from an outdoor industrial warehouse compound and assembled in a motel room. The Mumbai attack was spectacularly effective by any measure and accomplished with small arms, cell phones and grenades, if I recall.

I have not flown in many years. I have been through terror security twice, been packed into airplanes like cattle, and quit them. If the airlines were depending on me they would be done for. Simply refusing to participate is voting, and you can vote to take the train or drive a car. When the cable company began milking me with ever higher rates and ever more vapid content, I left them. If the rest of you left them, there would be no Fox telling you that you need TSA.
I do not need them. I fear them. When the Bin Ladin family bought the first Bush administration was a moment of terror for America, and we missed it completely.

Ya know, since I am not planning on blowing up or crashing an airplane, your searching me doesn’t make you safer by any amount, absolutely zero.

TSA can have the airline industry. There’s plenty to see in car distance. The airlines have been lucky that they could use jet fuel heavily subsidised by tax dollar wealfare for the oil industry all these years. Too bad for them that the neo cons used them in their 911″Pearl Harbor” plot.

[...] Max Trombly)Here’s a few great articles to check out for Thanksgiving Day, Thursday, 11/25/10:Did TSA cave on scanners for Thanksgiving rush?TSA turns off naked body scanners to avoid opt-out day protestsNewark airport controversial scanners [...]

Eureka! If they can just get those pesky passengers to stay away, our airports will finally be totally secure!

TSA plant? No? CIA/Chertoff plant? Yessir.

They can give everybody a catscan and a colonoscopy and it won’t make a difference if the terrorist gets ESCORTED past security.

This was not all done before Napalitano came in. They ordered 400 with the stimulus bill money and they’re getting ready to order another 500. Napalitano has pretty much given Americans the finger telling them to put up or quit flying, and the TSA is going on tv whining about their screeners being mistreated and basically suggesting those who disagree are domestic extremists. Stop holding Napalitano’s water. She has enough sycophants to do that.

I strongly, strongly doubt she is in any way a victim in all this. The question still remains, did she give the order for this cynical stand down and was Obama consulted? It would be pretty scandalous if she coordinated with the WH to shut down such a hugely “critical” security protocol to avoid public embarrassment…me things she went off the reservation.

The TSA probably does not believe that the new measures are effective. By now we all know that the scanners are unable to detect bombs like the Christmas Day bomber had on him, and neither will invasive pat downs. TSA and Sec. Napolitano know this too. If they abandon this whole program now, they will look stupid. In addition, Chertoff and company cannot afford to have the program abandoned by DHS. It would spoil their plans to sell these scanners to places like India (Deepak Chopra is Executive Director of the parent company of RapiScan, the manufacturer of many of the scanners).

Here’s the REAL lowdown, the “Talking TSA Blues” just released this Thanksgiving:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3LNxvG1qQM

Does this nail it or what?

c230komp is a TSA troll. I do not know how much more obvious he needs to make it. Last post was 6:23 PM yesterday. Why? Because he’s at work now, ogling and groping innocents for living. What do I call a person who will do ANYTHING for money? A prostitute.

Not sure if win…

I think yes, just not sure.

Our liar-in-chief is at it again.

Now maybe the real power in this country–the corporations–will do something.

Try this link: http://www.fuck.you@moron.com

Our country’s worst enemy is stupid little followers like you who raise their little arms and shout SEIG HEIL because everybody else is doing it.

You disgust me.

You took the words right out of my mouth. Might even get the attention of our CEO-in-chief.

The liar-n-chief is pushing his book Decision Points!

Keep spreading the word, tell your family and friends to stay away from airlines.

Now is the time for people of America to Unite and Stand Against state sponsored false flag terrorism designed to demolish the constitution, violate and humiliate American families into forced serfdom!

Unlike you, I was there at 9/11. And I will NOT agree to body scans or pat downs. I breathed air I was told was safe (it wasn’t). I watched a war launched ostensibly in the name of my dead friends against a country that had nothing to do with the deaths of my friends. It quickly became pretty obvious that our government will use pretty much any excuse to acquire and exercise as much power as possible. The methodologies of the TSA are reactive, not proactive and thus useless, as they are always one (failed) “attack” behind. The shoe bomber? Stopped by airline passengers, not the TSA. The underwear bomber? Stopped by airline passengers, not the TSA. Need I go on?

LOL, the TSA is a JOKE. Biggest WASTE of an agency there is, period.

http://www.privacy-web.edu.tc

http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/4254
“the measures to be taken in response to the negative public backlash as detailed [in this directive], have the full support of the President”
reported memo is indeed troubling. It labels any person who “interferes” with TSA airport security screening procedure protocol and operations by actively objecting to the established screening process, “including but not limited to the anticipated national opt-out day” as a “domestic extremist.” The label is then broadened to include “any person, group or alternative media source” that actively objects to, causes others to object to, supports and/or elicits support for anyone who engages in such travel disruptions at U.S. airports in response to the enhanced security procedures.
It would appear that the Department of Homeland Security is not only prepared to enforce the enhanced security procedures at airports, but is involved in gathering intelligence about those who don’t. They’re making a list and most certainly will be checking it twice. Meanwhile, legitimate threats to our air travel security (and they DO exist) seem taking a back seat to the larger threat of the multitude of non-criminal American citizens who object to having their Constitutional rights violated.

As I have written before, it has nothing to do with security and everything to do with control.

It ain’t Oprah’s Deepak Chopra…it’s another DC.

Seriously!

I mean, what is with all the photos of TSA agents patting down elderly passengers??

Now who’s the scaredy-cat on this thread? Who is crying for any relative degree of false assurance as to his manly safety? Who is willing to subject his terrorized ass to inspection just so he doesn’t have any moments of “expected” consternation?

Dude, WWII was tough, and most who bled and died in that conflict, did so in the understanding, whether it be contrived or real, that they were fighting for their Constitution and the preservation of the American way. I’m sorry that the box in your living room has brought you to this understanding of what the American way actually is.

You are 100 times more likely to be hit by lightening than be killed by a terrorist attack. Do you call the local police for a rectal exam before leaving your house?

Actually…it’s the first intelligent thing he has said. It sure beats radiation and sodomy. I’m all for arming everyone. Just place a 9mm next to the barf bags. I kinda doubt there’d be much trouble!

To me, this does seem to fit the definition of “unreasonable search and seizure” to a T. But at least since 9/11, anyway, the American public has been the frog in the pot of water, under which the heat has been gradually turned up until most Americans now no longer realize that it is boiling. Most people meekly submit to airport security searches without a peep—including myself, since to most people, constitutional principles are less important in their immediate purview than the homely objective of getting the hell on the plane and to our destination as quickly with as few complications as possible. This is why we desperately need the ACLU and other organizations to agitate the matter for us, since John and Jane Q Public cannot take on the authorities ourselves.

hahaha . you guys are so into the conspiracy horse shit. thank you MsPathy for being one of the only sane people on this subject. i spent 4 hours at the airport and didn’t see any traffic, people protesting. looked on-line and didn’t see any proof of the so called opt-out deal everyone is talking about. i guess i have been reading the wrong shit with you people that cant suggest any thing to make it a better security system, instead just accuse every one about the second shooter on the grassy knoll and blame every one else for the wrong in this country. i am not saying our government isn’t crooked but come one. they are incompetent more than anything else. and i am the ignorant one??????? look i have been a thorn in the side to the people at the government agency i work for and is the reason i don’t like the government. but i am looking from the inside and see the dumb shit and the decisions they make daily that makes me fucking bald. they are full of shit but don’t make shit up that isn’t happening. if anything, the shit that is posted by some people on here, they are full of shit. the government does try to control us, i don’t deny that shit. i reload, shoot, and collect guns. if they tried to take them from me, fucking Waco is gonna happen. blaming the TSA agents for the shit that is happening is stupid as well. The people you should call perverts are the dick heads in washington. next time you get a bad piece of mail beat up you fucking postman why do you people. its his fault you guy received that right????? next time you accidently run a red light like the dumb fucks that some of you are, shoot the police officer that is doing his job. thats america according to some of you flakes. lets throw rocks at our troops that are coming back from the war you don’t agree with because our government decided to start the war because of oil!!!!!! i see some of you are actually fucking communists. i will leave this web site happy to see its not the 98% of people that went to the airport and acted like ass holes and just went with the bullshit that TSA puts out and abuse the people that have nothing to do with the decisions that the ass holes you voted for made. go to washington and throw rocks. grow some balls and risk your jobs and freedom annoying and pestering the boss’s at your government jobs. i do every day but dont pass the line where they can get rid of me (and trust me, they would love to get rid of me because of my big fucking mouth) i stand up to them everyday, so i have my spine. i was looking for a job when i found that piece of shit job. so fuck you people that bark and dont have any nuts to bite. you are nothing but lil chihuahua’s with no fucking teeth and will never stand agains the tyrants in washington. there is a fucking reason why i got the administrator of TSA’s number so fuck you and my car is nice. you mooks just cant afford a mercedes benz. and by the way its my fucking commuter car and im a fucking colored person so let the ignorance fly. I sell drugs, im a pimp….. my nice car is an ML55 amg ass holes.

“and i am the ignorant one???????”

Yes.

You are ignoring massive amounts of evidence and research showing a global elitist conspiracy to unfairly conglomerate control at the expense of the countries being parasited for it.

The USA is exhibiting the tyrcannical symptoms of havings its economy drained by these globalists.

look i do see that. but don’t blame the mailman, police officers, or TSA agents. they have no say in anything. fuck our government. thats what i believe and tell them daily, but in a tactful manner ( really hard for me) what can we do to throw them out and start over. i am all for that shit.

i never said they were in the right so finish reading what i posted. most americans are submissive as you can see by the new. there was no opt-out day. it never materialized. all the people that were for it were to busy posting on this shit and not even traveling. ball-less fucking chicken hawks. all they did was say” its not right lets protest this and made a big deal, then stayed home to watch what happend

sorry turnip

“Those who are willing to trade a little freedom for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.”
Benjamin Franklin

wow now you are gonna attack my grocery getter… big man or woman. lets just call you pat because of you name and probably your looks, no one can tell. so im calling you out genius how would you improve the process you so appose. no one but one person can even suggest anything valid. 12 yrs. private and federal service in IED handling and Security make me a bit more qualified than most mooks on here. Maybe you should take some TATP and shove it up your ass with a pencil det. and launch your self into space.

at least Hitler knew what he was doing and did it well. You no shit!!! prove your worth in this conversation by suggesting some valid process’s to make aviation security better. Please dont start with ” well dont touch my balls” and my rights are violated or white people are not terrorist. Timothy Mcveigh was a fucking white person. Uni-bomber was white. Lets profile the wrong people. Look up Lonewolf terrorists…. ASSHOLE

i found someone else that gets this shit. Thank you for that.
CLMM4 you are smart and observant or are on the in side like me and see the shit i see. You are correct. All our government does is implement rules that are a reaction to the threat at hand and dont think ahead. The dick heads in washington are in their positions because they knew how to take a dick or whos ass they can lick like the dirty dogs they are. sorry for being profane. I speak my mind and get a little excited when i see someone that can see some of this shit every other mook miss’s

CLMM4 is a smart person. My opinion, he didnt call in sick when god handed out common sense. Found out that common sense is not common on this subject.

That fucking guy has been fucking dead for hundreds of years. It may have worked back then. Why dont you fucking evolve like everyone else. Adapt to your fucking enviroment, or move to disneyland. He didnt live in a world that we live in. Lonewolf terrorist. Look it up. We have our own. I study a lot of the shit people fear like these ass holes. Put up or shut up. This is getting fun…. sorry to have insulted you.. I dont even know you.:)

happy thanksgiving

you didnt win shit. i rather have someone touch my ball’s then go through that dangerous thing. They turn off certain machines when there is no flight going through that certain terminal. Dummy… sorry for that insult. You dont know any better.

i agree with you. TSA is full of shit because of that. the only thing we can do right now is comply or dont fly. you will be treated like a criminal if you start an uprising at a check point

you are right. They hire anyone. no hiring standards. there are high school grads that are supervisors and leads. the only qual.’s they have is starbucks… hahaha

Steve and Carol Rohletter … flew to Fort Myers early on Wednesday morning to spend Thanksgiving with family … and were both subjected to the new up-close and personal pat-downs being used by the Transportation Security Administration because the line they went through happened not to have body scanners. They saw other people going through the scanners, but said they saw no problems with either security method.

hahaha damn… cop a feel day… jezzz. o well. complain and dont fuckin fly… like me…
i love this Raw Story web site

My apologies to you, the ire above was meant for that blathering c230 flake. Sorry!

ohhh i forgot to tell everyone. An elderly person has so much to live for that they cant be terrorist. In the middle east they strap IED’s on elderly and their own small children to blow people up. Fucking get a clue ass. You can’t beat a people who don’t give a shit about their own children. Hey Disneyland, Get a fucking clue and study our adversary.

What a naive ass hole. Old people are going to die soon. Duhhh

hahahaha. Touche…. i am the flake i guess… please read other posts. and make fun of my grocery getter

It appears the role of government is to turn us all into criminals. Those of you that cannot comprehend that we are living in a matrix really need to stop listening to how free the government tells you you are, but rather reexamine the reality of the situation. With each war ( like the war on drugs and terror) you lose more freedom.

I don’t want to be freer, I want to be FREE!

my feelings are hurt… i should sue you;)

Amen brother

Dont be scared… They are watching our posts on here. Yes they have people on the pay role to watch this shit. i will probably loss my job, but ohhh well. lets keep this going. we want this to come out on TV so everyone can join this. what are they gonna do? take away our freedoms? Put up or shut up!!!!

I guess Thanksgiving is more important than FREEDOMS…. hahaha
Thanks white people for Happy Thanks Taking day. We brought out a turkey, you brought out a musket. Assholes

Let’s get some G.I’s that were in Iraq that can identify their squad, platoon and battalion, what they think about this. Most of you dont know shit about terrorism. I can plant a bomb in your christmas ham and you would not know till you took a bite. Lets get some ideas on how to make it better… dont be scared…!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fucking bitches… just go to your jobs and shut up.

@ Rob B. — Rob, you are a bit erratic in your comments. I’m not sure I really understand the point you are trying to make.

The point I am trying to make is simple:

– current TSA regulations violate our constitutional rights and do not ensure our safety. They are unjustified and illegal.

– creating child porn (via nude scans of minors) and practicing sexual assault (by handling peoples’ genitals–including those of minors) is not right reserved to anyone, including government security employees. ACLU, are you listening? We need a class action lawsuit!

– reactionary security policies have brought us to this point. What is next? Deep x-rays? Cavity searches? No. We need to stop this now.

– a free society requires that we all take risks for our freedoms. I am too old to serve in the military. I am, however, willing to stand up for my basic constitutional rights, even if that means taking a greater risk while flying. Current authoritarian measures taken by the US government provide only the appearance of risk mitigation, while clearly presenting the clear and present danger of constitutional rights violations.

I am not willing to submit to an x-ray radiation naked body scan or a sexual molestation as a condition of flying. This is not an unreasonable position to take. This commitment should not make me seem “suspicious.” I am merely a US citizen that has had enough.

We are a creative country; let’s speak out together to find another way to minimize risk and maximize security, without violating our bodies and basic values. If we can’t commit to that, the terrorists have, indeed, already won.

In chicago O’hare they implemented the mechanical nose system after 911.. that is over 400 times more powerful than a canine nose..and gives a readout of the chemical agents of suspected explosidve devices- ie plastic explosives. I do not know where these machines went- they must have been very expensive and all they did was swab the luggage with a q-tip and put the swab in the chemical spectrum analysis machine.. this is all they need to do.. for greater security.

Crime and criminals are created and good policemen and policewoman are genocided in the USA just as war is genocide. The same is done to firemen/firewomen, teachers, Principals, building engineers when they retire. When the made all Chicago Police Officers go to the First Gulf war for a tour of duty Chicago lost many of the policemen and women. It was not obvious at first. It must have something also to do with not paying govt employees retirement benefits. What they did with drugs they now do with directed energy- ie Microwave cell towers, weaponized power grid, wi-fi, UHF, VHF, ELF radiation
CIA Mind Control Experiments: MK-ULTRA (Part 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8k0C88B0QE&feature=player_embedded

The Russians, Japan and China, Germany, Israel had simailar programs, but they did not disclose the experiments as the US did. Declassified Mk-Ultra Project Documents
http://www.michael-robinett.com/declass/c000.htm
http://www.michael-robinett.com/declass/c000-1.htm
http://www.michael-robinett.com/declass/c000-2.htm

What company makes theses body scanners and what is their ralationship to the person in the government who got these machines in the airports?

Fear is the primary weapon that the establishment uses to ensure that you do not think rationally about what is going on in the world. This is just another example of this. The odds of any one particular person getting killed by an Islamic terrorist is close to zero. You are much more likely to be killed in a car accident or drown in a swimming pool than you are by an Islamic terrorist. In fact, the chances of being wrongfully injured or killed by our own law enforcement are greater than being harmed by some Islamic terrorist. There’s no reason for us to be afraid, especially considering that the official story surrounding the 9/11 attacks which was used to kick off this false terror war is clearly based off of lies and fraud. The war on terror is just a massive fear based mind control operation that is promoted by government officials and the corporate media to justify a number of agendas that are designed to destroy individual freedom and to wage foreign wars.

Michael Chertoff was DHS (Depertment of Homeland Security) Secretary from 2005-2009 and is founder of the Chertoff Group, a security consulting firm whose clients include manufacturers of full-body scanners.

You’re probably right. I have is no doubt that Obushbama is calling ALL the shots.

Absolutely! Chertoff used his DHS and intelligence connections to set up the underwear bomber patsy. Zero doubt. Especially since he was escorted onto that flight.

Get killed by the other passengers? You mean, the passengers that are too fat to be able to get out of their seats? Or too stupid to even know how to take off their seatbelts? The ones that would rather let themselves radiated to death and have a TSA hand up permanently their ass because they’re too afraid? Those passengers?

Yes, in a convoluted kinda way. Sad, ain’t it?

When were you released from the psychiatric hospital?

“Pay role”? Get real.

How about “payroll”?

No doubt your logic is just as suspect as your spelling.

So, what kind of drugs are they?

You are a pimp, all right. An intellectual pimp.

Insanity sucks, eh?

Then find another country that thinks your blatherings are sane.

You should know.

Sane helps too.

Ever take a TSA exam?

Everybody dies eventually. Even you.

You will be old too someday. Then see how much you enjoy being made fun of by young ignorant fools.

It’s called perspective. Judging by your posts, you have none.

I can confirm that there was none of the new pat-down(grope-ups) or Rape_Scan machines between LAX and SFO so far this holiday weekend.

Last time I checked, all the people who hijacked planes on Sept 11 were men younger than 50. In the articles that I’ve seen about the enhanced pat-downs, I see elderly grandmas getting frisked.

I’ve never heard about the Middle East in flames because of hundreds of marauding seniors. My bad.

My take on this is that the behavior of the TSA is criminal behavior; it does not matter what government body produced the supposed “authorization” for them to do what they are doing. To purport that to buy an airline ticket is to give up one’s constitional rights is absurd. Purchase of an airline ticket is not evidence of criminal intent.

Just because people in the TSA and the rest of our oligarch-puppet wannabe-rulers literally ignore the Constitution it does not mean the Constitution is not the law of the land; what it means is that those people are criminals. The definition of a criminal is one who ignores the law.

In order for the TSA to continue to commit their crimes, we must provide them with the victims and the opportunities. I will provide neither.

I haven’t flown in 14 years. Currently if I wish to take a long trip and I do not want to drive my car, I take a train. Should I arrive at the train station someday and find that in order to board my train I will have to submit to illegal search, in violation of my rights under the law of the land, I will approach the ticket window and request a refund. I will then drive to my destination.

I am enjoying International Buy Nothing Day by staying home and out of the stores.

Best wishes.

We have posted a link to your article at the DailyTeaParty.com for Tea Party-er education.

Thanks! http://dailyteaparty.com/?p=2868

Obama and Napolitano are now your new slave owners. You have no RIGHTS to your body. They can sexually assault you, strip search you, and irradiate you. As as slaves, you are property and will behave as such.

[...] Did TSA cave on scanners for Thanksgiving rush? | Raw Story [...]

Point is a man of Indian descent is involved in this company and helping to sell this equipment to India.

look it up. do i have to do everything for you? god damn it you can even google elderly terrorist. they have been doing that for a long time. if you cant come up with anything to make security at airports better, shut the fuck up and dont talk to me. most of you people have nothing to say about making it better so quit your bitching and dont fly if you dont like the screening. remember FLYING IS A PRIVILEGE NOT A RIGHT. JUST LIKE DRIVING.

dont have anything to make the screening process better? Shut up and go play with your lil instrument!!!! smart guy

dumb white man

dont know. got them from your wife.

hey there lil guy.

hey there lil guy. ill give you my home address. come over i wanna show you something. Out of all the sperm your dad fed your mom, you were the winner???? jezzz. go kill your self

yeah i know. thats why they dont like me at work. I seem to just tell people they are an ass hole than sugar coat things. I think thats why these daisy pushers on here don’t get my points. I dont like people because they are sheep and feel important when they try to get other people to do thing like protest security while they sit on there ass’s at home and play chicken hawk.

your points that you are making, i agree with. now to figure out home to accomplish some of them instead of these mooks throwing insults because they have nothing valid to put on the table.

go die some where. you have lived to long. your out of milk… pick some up ok

hahaha. you are great. great points and i agree with the training deal. Some of these kids that work there, were working at starbucks and the government thinks they are protecting us. TSA is joking right.

Your rudeness is appalling.

I think that bomb-sniffing dogs combined with the metal detector wands would be much more effective and much less intrusive than this current system.

And, just because driving is a privilege, this doesn’t mean that government agencies are entitled to stop and search every car and passenger for no reason.

well im sorry but i have been attacked and insulted by you people on here as well. why dont you tell them anything. thats why i identify my self alone on here. because you agree with them. throw stone and i will throw them back. ito me, 2 wrongs do make a right. an eye for an eye.

An eye for an eye?

I have neither attacked nor insulted you. I don’t appreciated being put in the same category as “you people,” especially after I simply contributed to the comments of this article.

If you disagree with me, that is perfectly fine; but I did nothing to deserve the nasty sarcasm or being called a “naive asshole.” Even after your abusive language, I am still being polite to you. If you think two wrongs make a right, that’s unfortunate. I’m sorry that’s the way you feel.

no no no… im sorry. you are only the second person to not attack me. what you suggested is actually one of the more valid ideas i have heard from anyone on here. excuse my rude boldness. i am not very good with people because most people are just rude and throw insults when they dont agree with me. the even attacked the type of vehicle i drive. Stupid.
One of the problems i have seen with the canines they you here in alaska is the dogs are hyper active german shepards and witness an airport custodian get bit by the L.E.O.’s dog. they stop letting the dogs get close to the people working and visiting the airport. I have seen some airports use beagles to look for foods coming into the U.S. by CBP

The good ideas from this will end up in front of the Administrator of TSA if we can get enough good ideas together. We can take the job from the clowns making the stupid ideas they have now.

you would be surprised how little the people in DC actually work and speaking of people who think they are important( Napolitano and Obama etc…). Everyone depends on someone else to get things done. I was at a Government Convention in Virginia and seen the food severs go and make copies for certain people who forgot to do it them selves. Obama is just a puppet to some group somewhere else.Napolitano is being told what to say. They both dont make their own decisions. If you look into things all they do is sign shit most of the time. If i can only pull their little puppet strings for a year, this country who be different. Let the american people decide how things are run.

Just passed through security at DIA (Denver) and didn’t see a single body scan while I went through… There were agents apparently manning hte machine, but no one was directed through in the 10 min span I was in the area… lines were small and quick Sat evening.

What some protesters threatened as an opt out day has turned into a TSA appreciation day.

As reports continue to come with normal or below-normal wait times, this will be our final update of this post today.

Though volume was around expected levels, our preparations for today kept wait times at such a minimum that some airports are closing screening lanes due to a lack of passenger throughput.
In addition to our operational updates from the field, we’ve rounded up news coverage from across the country about today’s airport travel experience:

The Dallas Morning News: TSA “outrage”: There’s no “there” there

New York Times: Travelers’ Reports: Better Than Expected

Washington Post: Airport travel starts smoothly, with no sign of delays from scanner protests

CNN: Opt-outs largely no-shows at airports

Reuters: “Don’t touch my junk” airport patdown protests fizzle

Denver Post: DIA: Smooth day at Denver airport

Boston Herald: Terrorism risks trivialized by media

Bloomberg: New York, Chicago Airports Report No Scanner Logjams

Philadelphia Inquirer: Smooth traveling at airport

Pittsburgh Post Gazette: Pittsburgh travelers unfazed by new pat-downs, scanners

NYDN: Thanksgiving travelers opt out of National Opt-Out Day protest, TSA says no delays over body scans

Mercury News: So far, no delays due to security procedures or protests at Oakland International

The Plain Dealer: Smooth, protest-free traffic at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport

CBS: Airport Scanners and 12 Must-Know Radiation “Risks”

Baltimore Sun: BWI traffic moves briskly despite plans for protest

Gizmodo: National Opt-Out Day Is A Bust, Says TSA

Albany Times Union: Lines move smoothly at Albany Int’l Airport, rail, bus stations

KC Star: Passengers moving smoothly through airports

Wired: Air Travelers Opting Out of Opting Out

Seattle King 5 News: Sea-Tac Airport lines move smoothly despite threat of protest

The Dallas Morning News: Security lines moving smoothly at D/FW Airport

Indy Star: Passengers not fussing at Indy airport checkpoints

SF Chron: Smooth sailing at Bay Area airports

Star Ledger: Sen. Robert Menendez says he supports use of full-body scanners, pat-downs

Toronto Star: Travellers opt out of Opt-Out Day

Richmond Times Dispatch: RIC passengers move smoothly through security

USA Today: Fliers facing minimal airport delays, despite protest threats

LA Times: No unusual airport screening delays seen yet, but officials brace for possible ‘opt out’ protests

Chicago Sun Times: Despite security, few delays at O’Hare–so far

AP: Airport lines move smoothly despite warnings

Orlando Sentinel: Big crowds, but small lines, at Orlando International Airport today

Atlanta Journal-Constitution: No crowds, protests at Hartsfield

FOX: Many Opting Out of “National Opt Out Day”

Dayton Daily News: Dayton airport lines moving quickly; no delays reported

Additional Recent Clips, Op-Eds and Editorials

The Daily Beast: The Media’s Pat-Down Frenzy

New York Times: Politicizing Airport Security

Washington Post: Don’t Touch My Junk? Grow Up, America.

NYDN: Mayor Bloomberg To Passengers Outraged By Intrusive TSA Checks: Get Over It, It’s To ‘Keep You Safe’

USAT: Airports Say Security Checks Going Smoothly

USAT: Pistole: Why We Need TSA’s Security Measures

ok your telling me every news networks around the country are lying? I know it still does not make it right, but dont lie to make folks feel like they are making a difference when they are not. That makes for a false sense of hope and accomplishment like TSA. Dont be like them and lie!!!!!!!!

Very helpful info. I appreciate your effort, I look forward to reading more of your posts.

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/11/tsa-outrage-theres-no-there-th.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/25/us/25travel.html?_r=1&src=mv

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/23/AR2010112303954.html?hpid=topnews

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/11/24/national.opt.out.day/index.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6AN5Q020101124

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view.bg?articleid=1298485

http://www.pittsburghpostgazette.com/pg/10328/1105860-455.stm

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/11/24/2010-11-24_thanksgiving_travelers_opt_out_of_national_optout_day_protest_tsa_says_no_delays.html

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_16701558?nclick_check=1

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2010/11/smooth_protest-free_traffic_at.html

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/11/opting-out-of-opting-out/

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Sea-Tac-Airport-lines-move-smoothly-despite-threat-of-protest-110420379.html

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/1125dnbusairport.26024fa81.html

http://www.indystar.com/article/20101124/LOCAL/11240378/1001/LOCAL0102/?odyssey=nav|head

i love this one…….
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/895890–travellers-opt-out-of-opt-out-day?bn=1

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/11/24/BAFS1GH2A7.DTL&tsp=1

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/nov/24/nation/la-na-tsa-airport-delays-20101125

HUH?????

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/23/AR2010112305163.html?hpid=topnews

Apparently you and the new there have conflicting stories. Where were you really? Shrooming again and seeing things that weren’t really happening huh? pictures of people on thanksgiving day Denver

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/ap/airport%2520security%2520backlash–78684031_v2.grid-6×2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40302432/ns/travel-news/&usg=__F_W9f03XpVH3GJktXL8UfuD9GdQ=&h=323&w=474&sz=21&hl=en&start=45&zoom=1&tbnid=0gHRYf50lthqzM:&tbnh=160&tbnw=230&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddia%2Bairport%2Boptout%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Den%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D654%26tbs%3Disch:10%2C1635&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=578&vpy=271&dur=112&hovh=185&hovw=272&tx=219&ty=77&ei=QQjyTMKYGZG4sQOlu9i_Cw&oei=egfyTM–JIzGsAPJlP2iDA&esq=4&page=4&ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:7,s:45&biw=1280&bih=654

Ok. One question to all that say it did not happen. Did you piss off all the news teams in the country for them to write stories to contradict your stories?????? Post some valid news teams that have the same stories.

who the hell are these people? Never herd of them…

http://gizmodo.com/5698536/fliers-claim-tsa-have-deactivated-body-scanners

To all you sheep.. You are following the wrong people if you wanna get something done. The people on here like Richard Cleary that is probably the manager at a Mcdonalds and has no idea about security. Lets follow the baristas in to combat and let the baker fix the engine on your cars. Please people, if you have no ideas just put Opinion: before you type or if you have some good ideas post them. i don’t wanna poke anymore eye when i am insulted by someone. or just leave and never come back and i will be the only one posting.

This was two days AFTER thanksgiving (Sat). That’s what I saw, there’s no point in making it up. I don’t know why no one was being scanned, all I know is that I didn’t see anyone get scanned or patted down.

[...] Later reports confirmed that, the TSA had “backed down and resorted to using the old screening procedures — metal detectors and less-intrusive pat-downs.” [...]

[...] the big “National Opt Out Day” apparently fizzled on the day before Thanksgiving, but part of the reason for that may be that fewer people utilized [...]

[...] Later reports confirmed that, the TSA had “backed down and resorted to using the old screening procedures — metal detectors and less-intrusive pat-downs.” [...]

[...] Later reports confirmed that, the TSA had “backed down and resorted to using the old screening procedures — metal detectors and less-intrusive pat-downs.” [...]

[...] if any, use of the controversial full-body scanners,” the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported. Later reports confirmed that, the TSA had “backed down and resorted to using the old screening procedures — metal [...]

[...] Later reports confirmed that, the TSA had “backed down and resorted to using the old screening procedures — metal detectors and less-intrusive pat-downs.” [...]

[...] Later reports confirmed that, the TSA had “backed down and resorted to using the old screening procedures — metal detectors and less-intrusive pat-downs.” [...]

[...] and that more travels are estimated to have traveled by car this year than in any on record. Did TSA cave on scanners for Thanksgiving rush? | Raw Story My son traveled and was not asked to use the body scanners on either end of his trip. [...]

[...] Somehow, we didn’t get bombed back to the stone age by terrorists.  Even though the TSA opted to rope off many of it’s scanners and used non-groping methods of pat downs.  Imagine that! [...]

[...] Somehow, we didn’t get bombed back to the stone age by terrorists.  Even though the TSA opted to rope off many of it’s scanners and used non-groping methods of pat downs.  Imagine that! [...]

[...] Later reports confirmed that, the TSA had “backed down and resorted to using the old screening procedures — metal detectors and less-intrusive pat-downs.” [...]

[...] slow days? Newark airport controversial scanners are barely used on busiest travel day | NJ.com Did TSA cave on scanners for Thanksgiving rush? | Raw Story I totally agree with you that our security is the primary purpose of the federal government. But [...]

[...] Later reports confirmed that, the TSA had “backed down and resorted to using the old screening procedures — metal detectors and less-intrusive pat-downs.” [...]

[...] Later reports confirmed that, the TSA had “backed down and resorted to using the old screening procedures — metal detectors and less-intrusive pat-downs.” [...]

[...] Later reports confirmed that, the TSA had “backed down and resorted to using the old screening procedures — metal detectors and less-intrusive pat-downs.” [...]

[...] Later reports confirmed that, the TSA had “backed down and resorted to using the old screening procedures — metal detectors and less-intrusive pat-downs.” [...]

[...] Later reports confirmed that, the TSA had “backed down and resorted to using the old screening procedures — metal detectors and less-intrusive pat-downs.” [...]

[...] But reports from travelers and local news sources suggest that at some of the busiest airports in the US the TSA backed down and resorted to using the old screening procedures, such as metal detectors and less-intrusive pat-downs. [...]

[...] reports from travelers and local news sources suggest that at some of the busiest airports in the US the TSA backed down and resorted to using [...]

Great advice, i dont know what to say except that I have enjoyed reading. What you wrote is great advice any way that you look at it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77LqGbc59lE&feature=player_embedded

[...] course there’s the story that the TSA caved, and shut down its body scanners for Holiday travel, robbing the people of their victory on [...]

[...] Later reports confirmed that, the TSA had “backed down and resorted to using the old screening procedures — metal detectors and less-intrusive pat-downs.” [...]

[...] course there’s the story that the TSA caved, and shut down its body scanners for Holiday travel, robbing the people of their victory on [...]