But WE, the mighty USA, will do better. These backward people will always win because all they have is determination.

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I hope we don’t over stay our visit and leave the place better then we found it. We trashed Iraq and its still trashed, don’t repeat the Bush cluster fuck method.

And this is only phase one. We haven’t made the place safe for the real rape of the country which is going to commence as soon as the multinationals can begin extraction on a mass level. Then we get another dose of Hayek/Friedman Mont Pelerin Society economic shock therapy designed to take every last available dollar out of the country in the pockets of the multinationals in the interest of development.

But if you hook this story up with the one on the under-development an poverty that has emerged from this model of development, the prognosis for Afghanistan and the people who live there other than a few elites who will be in charge of the military dictatorship that eventually keeps the people in line while the rape of resources occurs the rest of the population doesn’t stand a chance. They will be hired to do the grunt work at wages that will barely buy bread while the U.S. installed government will sell off at bargain basement prices everything that can possibly make a profit for some entrepreneur.

When Afghanistan has finally given up it’s over three trillion dollars in mineral wealth to these multinational scavengers, we will leave the population to starve and we won’t care who takes over the country or what they support. But things better start moving soon we have already spent a nearly a trillion dollars to get our hands on that three trillion dollars in mineral wealth and if they can’t begin extracting until sometime in 2014 or after, the profit margin might not be as good as the “greed is good” folks had originally planned on or hoped for!

He also points out that although Karzai was hand-picked by the United States after the invasion “he has since been elected twice by his own people.”

Well, Karzai was elected ‘by his own people’, not by the people of Afghanistan, just his own carefully selected people, many of whom live comfortably in Dubai.

That article had a lot of ‘barely true’ statements, lies of omission, and opinion dressed up as fact. The Soviet’s Department of Propaganda released similar briefings on how much the USSR had done for the people of Afghanistan.

Come on, let’s go for the gold, let’s out-stay our welcome more than anyone else *ever* has!

Those who can’t learn from history are pretty f’ing stupid.

Even if there are supposedly trillions of dollars (and the dollar is pretty f’ing worthless at this point) worth of natural resources there… Are they really there, or are we being told this to “justify” our illegal occupation of a foreign country?

Even more important is that the American/western contractors and war profiteers (not to mention the Afghan warlords!) are making an absolute killing on this conflict.
The very finest of American economics at work.

USA! USA! USA!

I think one fact that puts our time in Afghanistan in perspective is that we were supplying the rebels, “freedom fighters,” and radical Muslim fundamentalists under bin Laden and others who finally rousted the Soviets. But what great empire or world power is funding the rag tag patriots and freedom fighters that are trying to dislodge us and have managed to keep us mired in this mountainous and largely agricultural nation for the past nine years without scoring any major advances? Is this our incapacity in the face of a nearly invisible enemy a real sign of just how powerful or powerless we are?

There is a reason Afghanistan is called the graveyard of empires.

Saudi Arabia and the other gulf states provide most of the funding for the Taliban. Seeing as the Saudis are financed largely through their their oil sales to the US and their massive investments in the US corporate and banking sectors, it would be simple to argue that this financing comes from the American empire.

The Taliban also get financing and logistical support from the Pakistani ISI which receives billions of dollars in funding from the US, and is seen as being controlled by the CIA. So once again, the trail leads back to the US.

Also, there is a protection racket run on the supply lines going into and through Afghanistan that provides the Taliban with funding, that involves private contractors paying the Taliban to not attack the supply trucks, with US taxpayer dollars.

Their smallest source of funding is by levying a tax on the farmers growing opium, since the Taliban had wiped out the opium business in Afghanistan before the invasion, and now the heroin manufacturing and smuggling are run by warlords connected to Karzai’s government, this source of income can be traced to US involvement, seeing as Karzai is the US figurehead.

So once again the American empire is financing a resistance movement in Afghanistan, too bad they also pay for the other side. The word ‘Ouroborus’ comes to mind.

Hooray!!! We beat the Soviets!!!

USA!! USA!! USA!!

We’re No. 1 !! We’re No. 1 !! We’re No. 1 !!

I had no problem with the U.S. going into Afghanistan after the 9/11 attacks to try to clean out that rat’s nest of al Qaeda terrorist camps and any Taliban supporting al Qaeda, but Bush’s Iraq War folly, so costly, so illegal, so based-on-lies, so distracting-from-Afghanistan definitely extended how much time (and treasure) we’d spend in Afghanistan.

This question is: will our interminable involvement in Afghanistan lead to our nation’s collapse just like the Soviet Union’s long and costly involvement in Afghanistan helped with it’s collapse?

The big difference is that we SUPPLIED MONEY AND ARMS TO AFGHANS AND CREATED A MONSTER aka TAALBAN. Soviet Union is not doing that to us.

BUT THE OUTCOME IS THE SAME, THE MONSTERS WILL RULE as we leave and create trouble for us all over!

the taliban was a cruel hated bunch that was actually helping bin laden and his rag tag al quaeda. we were in fact welcome by the afghan people who were in fact fighting against them, (remember the northern alliance?) then we did a complete 180 on them. we bring in this scumbag karzai and his brother, we harass regular folks in their homes, we accidentally kill civilian people everyday it seems, the cia comes in and starts to control/create the opium trade, we move on to Iraq for no reason what so ever (only bush and his masters know) we don’t help rebuild that country.
I believe had we done things right we would have a strong ally in afghanistan instead the people are sick of us and they are a powerful foe because they will never stop coming at us.
lets get the f out of there because its not even worth it at this point

Afghanistan isn’t called the graveyard of empires for no good reason. It isn’t just the Soviet blunder of trying to occupy this region, it goes back centuries.
Obama campaigned on increasing “the good fight”, it will of course turn out to be one of his biggest blunders as well. It is just idiotic, bring the troops home.

But Yemen/Somalia is next and the MIC has exactly what it wants, perpetual war/occupation.

Why is Obama, a/k/a President Change, continuing an illegal war of the Bush/Cheney regime? (Is he really on their team after all?)

I think that your last question might be better phrased as an inevitability. I was saying as much when Obama extended the stay to 2011 and decided at the behest of the military to send in another 40,000 troops. I knew then that he wasn’t going to be leaving anywhere or ending any of these wars while he was president. When he leaves office we will still be in Iraq and we will still be in Afghanistan, I’d bet money on it. And since we are financing both sides of the war in Afghanistan this adventure is going to extremely expensive.

Meanwhile the Republicans will increase defense and Homeland Security spending for their friends in those industries while any remaining social services will be cut, unemployment insurance will be completely denied, and problems associated with homelessness and poverty will increase while the right claims that there is nothing you can do about poverty and the unemployment level stays above 9 percent for the remainder of Obama’s first term, and the profits of business soar as the median income continues to fall. Next year expect the top 74 wage earners to have made more than the bottom 25 million workers, and the slice of pie going to the top ten percent to be about 52-54 percent of the total!

I hope the US stays in Afghanistan for a very long time. The US doesn’t end a war, it just changes countries. Even if it takes a false-flag operation to manufacture public consent, it there will always be a war to satisfy the military industrial defense industry. Every President knows how to stay alive since Kennedy was assassinated for not going to war with Cuba. After Kennedy, Johnson took the US to war with Vietnam and nothing has changed since.

Yes my friend, I agree. We cannot justify a never-ending war on terror without creating a never-ending supply of terrorists.

Gorbachev: Nato victory in Afghanistan impossible

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11633646

“Victory is impossible in Afghanistan. Obama is right to pull the troops out. No matter how difficult it will be,” Mr Gorbachev said

He said before the Soviet Union withdrew from Afghanistan, an agreement had been reached with Iran, India, Pakistan and the US.

“We had hoped America would abide by the agreement that we reached that Afghanistan should be a neutral, democratic country, that would have good relations with its neighbours and with both the US and the USSR.

“The Americans always said they supported this, but at the same time they were training militants – the same ones who today are terrorising Afghanistan and more and more of Pakistan,” Mr Gorbachev said.

Because of this, it would be more difficult for the US to get out of the situation.

You have doubts?

Do not despair, my friend. They are working all the angles in Korea as we speak. Of course, things went so well for them the first time around that they can only expect similar results the second time. Oh, but I forgot, it’s not about “winning” or “losing” it’s all about making money. And that’s a war they always win.

“I had no problem with the U.S. going into Afghanistan after the 9/11 attacks to try to clean out that rat’s nest of al Qaeda terrorist camps and any Taliban supporting al Qaeda…”

Pssst…The US vis-a-vis the CIA, created & funded that rat’s nest of al Qaeda terrorist camps and any Taliban supporting al Qaeda but I won’t tell if you don’t.

” When we talk to Mullah Zaeef, when we talk to a Taliban commander on the ground, they’re saying, you know, “We’re different from you. We have ideology. You can’t figure out how to define victory. Victory for us is two things: freedom or martyrdom. And if we die in the cause of freedom, we’ve won.” So, the point is that these guys are saying, “We’ve never heard of something called the Quetta Shura,” as Mullah Zaeef said to us. “That’s something that you created in the American media. We have shuras, or meetings, all the time, in Peshawar, in Quetta. Maybe Mullah Omar is walking around Afghanistan. You have no idea. We’re ghosts to you.” And that’s what this Taliban commander from Kunduz that we interviewed said. He’s like, “We’re like ghosts. You can never see us. And then, all of a sudden, boom, your vehicle is blown up.”" – Jeremy Scahill

Killing Reconciliation: Military Raids, Backing of Corrupt Government Undermining Stated US Goals in Afghanistan

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/10/29/killing_reconciliation_military_raids_backing_of

History does have a way of teaching empires humility by way of a serious butt kicking by a much inferior group of rag tag resistance fighters….I was thinking that maybe this humiliation is going to make the right wing nut jobs in the US to think twice before attempting to invade any more countries…but the news today is that they’ve just reached a pact to deploy NATO forces in neighboring Pakistan now too. Its kinda like Vietnam where they doubled down and invaded neighboring countries with the excuse that its all one theater of war and “terrorists” (read: resistance fighters) were coming from there. Maybe the lesson is that a simple butt kicking is not enough….what is required is for the boot to go all the way up past the gut and up to deliver a serious blow all the way to the brain via the initial hole in the A$$. In that case….stay tuned for more misadventures of the “forces of freedom”.

OK HERE WE GO AGAIN…IT’S NOT ABOUT PRESIDENT OBAMA ..THE RICH FUNDS WARS AND PLAYS BOTH SIDE NOT ONLY THAT IT KILLS A LOT OF PEOPLE..

Winning in Afghanistan is like fucking for Virginity.The Soviets went Bankrupt and US went beyond Bankruptcy now.
A case of Dumb and Dummer.

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None of these mis-adventures are about anything more than making more money for the corporate class. The founding fathers would be appaled by what our “leaders” have done to this nation. Taxpayers should be demanding war crimes trials and hangings for the folks who got us into this mess. But the US electorate is too passive and dumb to do anything but aquiesce to the lies we are fed. Anyone with a history book could have predicted the outcome in Afghanistan. Our young men and women have been sacrificed in vain by an evil and corrupt Congress..which is a wholly owned subsidary of the corporate interests. Our tax dollars have been equally wasted. These crimes of historic proportion should be punished appropriately.

LBJ became a very wealthy man from his association with construction contracts in Vietnam. He should be hanged in effigy. Too bad the crook is dead or we could hang him for real.

They all play for the same team of corporate money, regardless of the face mask showing D or R they wear to deceive us.

Read a history book for your answer. The outcome is obvious. Past is prologue.

Why would be not STAY..just as we have in Germany, Japan and Korea.

Us S has borrowed only $1,500,000 for each young american and they will have to borrow more to stay afloat, but who cares? It is all going to the pockets of those who rule and are conscious of vote power.

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Will we get a new Rambo movie out of it? In part three Stallone was in Afghanistan and a bad ass. He even shot this rocket launcher at this helicopter after the commie said “Who is this?” and John Rambo being a bad ass said “I’m your worst nihgtmare.”

Man that was cool. This war will be totally worth it if we get another cool Rambo flick.

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