Is the Democratic party closer to redemption then? What’s the damned difference?

It’s the American Nazi Party.

Dear John.
YOU are the corner stone of the GOP insanity. If there were any justice in this country (there isn’t) , YOU would be sentenced to duty for picking up your anal droppings on the National Lawn. Starting with your biggest turd you and you ALONE dropped: Clarence Thomas.
Rev .Danforth , you are not a man of god. You sir are Satins disciple. And this nonsense article are for the GOP FASCIST short memory stooges..
We shall never forget your MURDER of Jerry Linton & his children IN A ‘freak plane crash’ on election nite long ago which thrust you conveniently into the senate.
YOU BASTARD.MAY YOY BURN IN HELL

Someone posted this Calvin & Hobbes comic at Reddit. It’s an eerily accurate description of the foxbaggers.

http://i.imgur.com/tNO8L.gif

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Wasn’t it Danforth who shoveled Clarence Thomas into the Supreme Court. Hasn’t Thomas always been a Tea Bagger in action as well as thought? Hasn’t he caused more damage to our Republic than any Tea Bagger including Sarah Palin, Mrs. Thomas’ goddess? Now, suddenly, when so much damage has been caused – and will be caused by Tea-Baggers, the “moderate” Danforth suddenly speaks up. A little late and a buck short.

The teagaggers are christian patriots who want to murder libruls while destroying America in a civil war. There is no redemption for them, only eradication.

Lookie here chrislib,

“The teagaggers are christian patriots who want to murder libruls while destroying America in a civil war.”

You are accusing them of the very thing you would do TO them.

“There is no redemption for them, only eradication.”

Don’t you get it? You’re playing right into the hands of the “bosses” who run both parties
and want you to keep on believing there really are two parties.

There’s only one party though – MICPC – the military industrial congress and president complex! It’s also known as the Republicrat & Democlican Criminal Enterprise party.

Lugar is history – the Palinites control the Republican Party.

Only this time they haveall the money on their side…..just as Hitler had all the right-wing propaganda machines (FOX,etc.) and Corporate elites (Murdoch, Ails, Armey, Cheney, Demint,McConnell..etc.) on HIS side….along with Geithner, Bernanke, Summers, Emanuel, Nelson, etc.) and dragging Obama with them…..

Forget joining political parties…better join the peasants..us against them…and if you are not a working peasant…then, you are one of them and an enemy..this is a class war, the poverty stricken against the masters of the universe …when are you going to figure out it has nothing to do with political parties or domestic/ foreign policies and agendas…and every thing to do with the obscenely wealthy against the rest of us….the disappearing “middle class” worker, the poor, the elderly and the most vulnerable in society…

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This is a JOKE. Dick Lugar is a “moderate” by virtue of not being as delusional and combative as his colleagues, but he’s certainly a conservative.

And Jack Danforth doesn’t have clean hands, either. Don’t think I’ve forgotten that he worked for George W. Bush AND foisted Clarence Thomas on us.

Where was he when it counted? He’s just another “now that I’m out of the arena I can speak my mind” coward.

It seems people are not capable of rational thought or civil discourse anymore. The Right Wingers have become dangerously feral with the help of people like Beck, and Murdoch’s 24/7 lie machine known as FOX News. The GOP applauded this and now the crazies are turning on them. They can’t rein in the beast.

And the Koch brothers laugh all the way to the bank…

And in other news, the sun will rise tomorrow.

So, it takes a former Bushite to make this official, eh? And, btw, whatever gave this one away?

yup, their media savoir-faire can only keep them treading water for so long.

how nice. The Republicans who were all up in arms about security when Bush went to war now hold our security hostage simply so the president doesn’t get a ” foreign policy victory:”

he is right. Doing the above push you beyond redemption. It puts insanity above sanity. This is just more of the hypocrisy that the Republicans will show us until 2012 when they will have to be forced out of office. The next Republican that talks about security is most certainly going to be lying

The GOP has simply become the “Business Plot”, minus Smedley Butler. They shun the fascist label this time, but they’re fascists all the same.

When the current republican party surpasses the right wing policies the Bush administratiopn, we know they are pushing our nation over a cliff.

…we have gone so far overboard that we are beyond redemption,” Danforth said, as quoted in the New York Times.

Yup.
Cheney/Bush broke the GOP, and the “Tea Party” is some of the smoke, leaking oil and broken bits falling off the machine as it bumps and skids towards a final crash. This is exactly what happened to the Whig Party in the 1850′s.

When the Arctic summer ice disappears in a few years, that will be the bullet to the head of the GOP-remnant “Know Nothing” party that is anti-science and anti-International cooperation. The 21st Century is not going to be kind to ignorant, arrogant godfreak regressives.

OMG, a genuine statesman — and a Republican to boot. The current insane GOP party leadership has finally gone so far that old-time Republican patriots who’ve shamefully held their tongues for the past decade have fumbled around in their underpants and rediscovered their yarbles.

Yeah. He is all that. Which is why his comments are the more telling. This is no longer moderate republican against consrvative republican but rather conservative republican against consrvative republican.

Your remarks about Cong. Litton are inaccurate and slanderous. This is the kind of item the republican’ts like blount, bond, ashcroft et al would use. All who new Jerry and his mentor Ted Boling were sadden by the crash and damage, social, political and personal. And … I think will be behind my chastising you for gross misrepresentation of the facts.

Danforth is correctly portrayed as the handler of the nomination of steppin’ fetchit. He has apologised for that mistake profusely, often and publicly. Tell the world his apology is worthless, but acknowledge it. I told him it was worthless, and his trust of hatch’s hatch-it-men and their overt allegiance to bob bork was there for all to see and Fr.John turned a weak & winking eye in that direction. Shame on him.

Sir -

Tendering respect to a tea-beggar is as healthy as french-kissing a Boomslang, Puff Adder or King Cobra. The tea-beggars are what divided us. Even before they were organized and operating in concert under a political banner – we were a house they divided.

And you sir, are an incurable ignoramus! I wish you health and happiness, for real. That could improve things significantly.

You make a point but miss his entire point. He’s not playing into their hands by saying death to them all. The tea party and far right both want to ignite hatred not only toward Islam, illegal Immigrants, and our president, they want to make their followers hate democrats in general. This is why they are telling them to “arm themselves.” They are dangerous people and we need to eradicate them. If it comes to war, so be it; they wanted it. But I’m interpreting his “eradicate” as vote them out when the time comes.

It’s time we play dirty. Democrats have been too pussy to implement the same tactics these people play on us. This is why dems are seen as weak by the republican party. It’s time progressives, independents, and moderate democrats band together to start slinging. And since we’re the smarter half of this nation, I think we can execute it more smoothly than the right.

Alas, unless we do this soon, Fascism will take over right in time for Global Warming to take us all down.

TELL THE FACTS ABOUT THE DREAM ACT AND THE CONSEQUENCES TO TAX PAYERS. IT’S AMNESTY!

AMERICAN TAXPAYERS MUST READ THE FULL TEXT OF S 3827, BEFORE THEY CONDEMN THOSE AGAINST THE LAW. THIS DREAM ACT MUTANT LAW HAS MANY HEADS, THAT WILL HAVE BAD IMPLICATIONS ON OUR FUTURE. IT MUST BE TABLED AND THEN REVISED WITH COMMON SENSE? THIS IS ANOTHER EXPENSIVE PARTY FAVOR FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS AND WHOLE FAMILIES THAT WILL JOIN THEM LATER?

These corrupted legislators will not even tell you the real costs, for settling instant-citizenship infants (Anchor Babies?) Here is the last chance to harass your Senator or Representative by phoning (202)224-3121. Challenge them to stop the Left wing zealots for planting another Amnesty in America called the DREAM ACT. HOW CAN SENATOR HARRY REID AND HIS HIERARCHY OF LIBERAL CRONIES, PUSH PASSAGE OF THE DREAM ACT WHEN 15 TO 22 MILLION AMERICANS ARE GROVELING FOR A JOB. IN MOST CASES ANY JOB TO FEED THEIR FAMILIES?

GOOGLE–www.numbersusa.com website for in-depth information on illegal immigration and what you can do to stand for our sovereignty. The Tea Party is adamant that no new laws must–NOT–find passage until the real DOUBLE border fence is secure. That no new visa’s should be implemented until the fraud is extinguished, which businesses owners and their lawyers undertake annually. The Tea Party will blacklist any politician, including those lawmakers they backed, if they cater to illegal immigration and the DREAM ACT–as is?

Here is the full text of the Dream Act (S. 3827: Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors Act of 2010:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s111-3827

READ the facts about the Dream Act and not the propaganda from Senator Harry Reid’s Liberal party leadership that must–END? Sen. Jeff Sessions put out the following release last week on the DREAM Act, that it’s an incremental illegal-alien amnesty bill. IT IS A VERY CAREFULLY PLANNED AMNESTY, FULL OF RHETORIC? BUT EVERY TAXPAYER NEEDS TO READ THE FULL TEXT OF THE WHITE PAPER. Remember your taxes are certain to accelerate upwards, to pay for all these indecent provisions. American citizens are already having money extorted from them to pay for the babies of illegal aliens born here, the education of illegal alien children, the health care for all family members and crammed prisons and jails for convicted illegal alien felons. All needs to to be paid for by your taxes? High on the list of Negatives is that the students, will be able to sponsor immediate family members under the chain migration law.

Not so much the students who would become naturalized citizens, but the chain migration that would snowball for all family members. As I have said before we are committing financial suicide, because the majority of guarantors never honor their affidavits to support the people they vouch? In the end the older family folks who have never paid into the Social Security system, become another public welfare liability. Hundreds of thousands or may be millions have been allowed into America on the surety of the original sponsor, who failed to support his-her immediate family. Over the years taxpayers have been confronted with this issue, as the US government never had the man-power to enforce this sponsorship law. Years of non-compliance has be come yet another Social Security, (SSI) Supplementary Income of Tax payers left to pay even heavier taxes in support of people who were sponsored and then neglected. The amount of money that cannot even be estimated, that is being appropriated every year to account for the illegal immigration invasion.

Another provision that misleads the public, is the fact that an illegal alien can join the military in this time of conflict and collect as a gaurantee a path to citizenship. Under under current law (10 USC § 504), the Secretary of Defense can authorize the enlistment of illegal aliens. Once enlisted in the U.S. Armed Forces, under 8 USC § 1440, these illegal aliens can become naturalized citizens through expedited processing, often obtaining U.S. citizenship in six months.

The invasion hasn’t stopped and never will until we cut of all welfare entitlements?

WANT THE REALITY OF COSTS? GOOGLE—Illegal immigrant costs and find out for yourself and then you decide? Then go to the Heritage Foundation website and it will explain with graphs, projections and text by the reputable in-depth analysis by Robert Rector.

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2007/06/amnesty-will-cost-us-taxpayers-at-least-26-trillion

Next week will add further enticements for illegal immigrants to come here, if this Dream Act passes?

Regardless of who or what someone is, basic human respect is a requirement unless you want to end up 10 years from nowshooting each other in the streets. Seriously. There is no call for using language like “eradication” or according no respect just because of an idealogy. Frankly, I think many of the tea partiers are nuts. Many of them are not. What they are is angry. And many of them are angry at a lot of the same things the rest of us are angry about. They are just misled into believing the line of bull by the media they have chosen for themselves. I have family members that have fallen for the tea party train. Family members who are decent, kind, generous and not even remotely Chistian or extreme in any way. Obviously misguided in my opinion, but please.

I think it’s entirely ironic how republicans are stalling a REAGAN ERA treaty. I really would love to hear what their arguments against this treaty are. We all know they aren’t credible or even worthy of slapping the name argument on it. More like whiny sacks of shit comments. Here they are claiming Reagan as one of their brethren and they’re shitting all over his one accomplishment as president. Even more ironic, Reagan would too seem too leftist for this republican party today. They’re just trying to bring back he who began this forsaken path toward Fascism. It was Reagan who tied politics with religion. And it was Reagan who appointed corporate businessmen into his office. Thank you Mr. Reagan for fucking this country over! Even when you’re dead.

In the last two years, administrators from Reagan, Nixon, Bush Sr., Carter, Clinton, and Bush Jr. have come out and admitted that the right has gone too far. Multiple cabinet members, top economists, heads of foreign and domestic policies are all saying the same god damn thing, and no one is echoing or doing anything to start a momentum of protest against those who are single-handedly destroying this country. Instead, the media is giving the teabaggers full attention, while progressives and others who are aware of the lies these pretentious a-holes spew are standing back watching and complaining.

Shouldn’t this last election be enough? We tried, but not hard enough. We didn’t get the votes out. Yes, people are pissed but it’s time we scream what ignorant people don’t want to hear and what the media simply ignores- the truth! We need to call them out. We need to come out in masses and protest. I’m tired of seeing this country sink into hell. Aren’t you?

I too am Satin’s disciple, its feeling against my skin is sinful.

Republicans are traitors. They want to cripple US national security. They want to cripple US scientific and technological innovation. They want to cripple US education. They act as if they are paid agents of China. They support those calling for the violent overthrow of the US govt. They are traitors. They should be treated as such.

Get your right wing dumb, ignorant ass off this website. Do you even know the repercussions of what you’re saying?

Since you people love to cite the Constitution so much, please tell me then, what does the 14th amendment state? Times up asshole:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Do you know who implemented that law? Lincoln, a Republican president! Do you know why? So that former slaves and their children would be officially counted as citizens.

Now, next question. Do you know what you’re saying violates that Amendment? Another, do you know who’s REALLY taking your precious god damn jobs away from you?

Let’s take it to this level. Illegal immigrants have been coming here since before the united states even became a country, and will continue to be here even if you people put up your fences. What happened to your compassion anyway? Illegal immigrants aren’t taking your jobs from you. Corporate America has been shipping your jobs over seas and also replacing the human workforce with technology. Even you sitting here bitching about them taking your jobs, why haven’t we seen a rise in white people working at places like McDonalds, or mowing our lawns, cleaning our houses, or cooking the food we eat at restaurants? Riddle me THAT you ignorant piece of shit!

Illegal immigrants are the backbone of this economy. I’d love for you to have your constituents violate the 14th amendment by ousting them all. You would lose your job for good, have no manicured lawn, have to cook your own food and clean your own house, and wouldn’t be able to smoke that pot you bought for cheap.

And, by the way, Corporate America doesn’t want you to know that they LOVE having cheap labor come to them via illegal immigrants. They want them here more than you do because they cost less. Oh and also, your representatives also love having them here so they put up this circus about illegal immigrants being bad for this country when really, they couldn’t give a fuck about your rants. Oh, and also, corporate america has made a deal with the Government whereby they will stage raids every week or so and take a few illegals back to Mexico to please you people. They already know hundreds more will be applying for jobs you definitely will never take because it’s beneath you dirty scumbags.

So I highly suggest you take your piece of shit information off this site and shove it up your ignorant pie hole.

I do not understand how one opposes START.

That’s sheer ideological stubbornness.

Bush is scum. No one needs to compromise with the scumbags on the Establishment Left or Establishment Right. We need an American, populist, centrist party that represents what real people want.

http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/demotivational-posters-please.jpg

See Tony’s comment above – I concur with his point.

And as for playing into their hands – no, I meant a different “they”. I meant those in power who are benefitting from keeping the electorate fighting in polarized factions so that the criminals in the corporate controlled government can keep on acting in its own self interest and against ours, all the while taking our rights away bit by bit.

Please note, I didn’t say insult them at will. I said they have failed to
earn our respect. When I am unable to avoid them, I’m polite, firm and
non-comittal.

They get no respect. They get no conversation.

Gneiss to no I’m knot the only won hoo got that

That’s tea-beggarry!

Who decides whom is real?

Ah yes, They. I agree about the presumed assumption there are only 2 parties that count, and that there are a select few who are perpetuating this belief thus weakening American politics and eventually destroying it.

Unfortunately, I don’t see how we can get around it at this point. Unless vast amounts of people start writing in candidates who would really represent their interests, not corporate interests.

Sinclair Lewis was eerily correct in his book “It Can’t Happen Here” . “”When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”

Oh yeah Maria lets go over to Texas to have our baby so that in TWENTY ONE years he/she can APPLY to have us brought to the States legally AND then after an average of an additional FOUR years we can actually get into the states.

Anchor Babies….. what a steaming pile of Faux News!

not much of a difference. the severity of the insanity is really the only major difference.

There is nothing centrist about the “Tea Party”! Government is the art of compromise. To stall and block the work of the legislature is to deny majority rule. I see no grown ups here. Surely there are conservatives out there who are thoughtful and wise. Why don’t they speak up? Are they frightened of the tea party rabble?

Oooo an upper cut of facts to the jaw and down goes Brittanicus, down goes Brittanicus.

Your statement is very reasonable, and I agree with what you said.

I’m tired. I’m sad. And I’m mad about our country “sinking into hell”. But we shouldn’t be engaging in a no-START political circus. This kind of political strategy is suicidal. It’s not about GOP vs Democrat. This is about World safety. This is about doing away with nuclear weapons! I don’t think Reagan really believed in that concept. You’ve seen the punt-returner fake a right and then go left.

John Kyl, of Arizona, is in the middle of this controversy. He’s not even mentioned in the article. Richard Lugar, R-IN, is mentioned. Demonized as a “take-out candidate”, in this article. Demonized by former Senator Danforth. What a clever ruse! Take out a fellow-Republican for a more right winger. Problem. How do YOU get rid of nuclear weapons globally? Are you for START or are you against it?

I am for START. I’m in favor of an even bigger Nuclear arms treaty than the one we’re actually trying to sign. That’s why I was mocking the right for stalling on a Reagan Era concept. I think more can be done as far as this treaty goes, and not just for Russia but for all nuclear arms carrying countries. And I honestly can’t tell you how to rid the world of nuclear weapons. I don’t think it’s possible frankly. The only thing anyone can do is reduce the amount of weapons in stock through treaties.

And as for replacing republicans with far right tea baggers goes, there’s only one thing anyone can do about that. Get the word out to those in opposition to make sure that doesn’t happen. That was the whole problem with this past election. Only a few tea baggers won and it’s because many dems didn’t come out to vote. If that wasn’t a factor, then guaranteed those tea baggers wouldn’t have won any seats.

I still say 2012 will bring more progressive thinkers out to vote and Dems will come out on top again. We are already seeing evidence the economy is picking up. Republicans will try to claim credit but I doubt that will work with their trickle down economics theories.

republicans are interested in one thing and one thing only, not representing their constituents, not serving the country, not creating or preserving jobs for the citizens of the USA, not preventing the financial industry from duping their middle class constituents, not attempting to help their constituents to keep their homes, but they are interested in defeating President Obama, using any means necessary, no matter their supporters are hurting in the process. republicans have done absolutely nothing in the past 22 months except oppose the President to make him appear to be failing. They are in for a rude awakening in 2012. We have news for them. He who laughs last laughs best. Beyond redemption is a gross understatement.

Danforth is one serious repug prick. If this dink says the Tea Klux Klan is bad….

I don’t think it was cowardice so much as avariciousness. Money/power has blinded many a politician and threatening the status quo (as Grayson courageously did) would have caused him to lose out on those shiny baubles.

The time may be approaching for a movement of National Unity. We are under attach from within by monied groups that direct and use these extreme right-wing fanatics to sap the foundations of the Republic – and they are succeeding!

Why don’t they see and speak out about this while IN office? Funny, ain’t it?/

Wht racist teabaggers are ANGRY because they want “their” country baaaaaaaaaaaaaak!

Ignorant fools!

Teabaggers/Birthers are evil and wicked!

That’s real!!

Exactly.

We’re hearing from Republican former office-holders and staff every few days about the shameful behavior of the Republican party. If they would have said something when they were in office or on staff maybe we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in now.

Unfortunately, it’s worked better than the alternative for the last 30
years. Promises always sound better than facts.

Maybe he and others should have spoken out before the last election but now that Danforth has spoken out lets hope he continues to speak out leading up to 2012.

I have been saying this for a long time. I don’t recognize the Republican Party. It has undergone
major surgery and is pursuing a course of self destruction and suicide for the USA. There is a strain of ignorance combined with arrogance that has taken over the party. The leaders are not within the party, but clearly are in control of it. If Richard Lugar is challenged by his own party for thinking the party will have declared its death certificate valid.

There is no left in US politics. Obama is to the right of Dwight D. Eisenhower, the last decent Republican. Even Richard Nixon wouldn’t be allowed in today’s Republican Party, cause he ended Vietnam War and cerated the EPA.

Watch out- FOXNEWS will do “breaking news”/ breathless stories about how he’s off the farm, too old, or not a ‘real’ Republican’. (RINO). They started over-covering these nuts on TV daily, and now it’s out of control. The internal purging of republicans with teabaggers, Ronald Reagan would have been primaried if he didn’t answer their questions correctly and obtain ideological purity. Remember he raised taxes and cut military expansion AFTER he cut them and increased.

That won’t happen as long as the federal reserve remains a branch of a private global banking cartel. Because the money system is a criminal enterprise we have been made slaves to it. Re-establishing a Constitutional money system is the first thing we must do.
Until then no matter who we elect will become beholden to interests other than ours.

Another truism to remind one and all that the dissolution/disintigreation of a body politic starts at the top. A cursory review of Republican politicians as well as Democratsic ones sshows a preponderance of them accepting freebies from pacs like AIPAC; free trips from several lobbies and other PACS,

To use an allegorical comparison.To become depandant on “others” for one’s sense of civility, integrity and principles is like a prostitute using her body for a living. As the years pass the body rots. Sad but somewhat real comparison.

“Those whom the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad”-a little tea can destroy certain characters.

His statements are a bit late to the game.

While I clicked the like button for the obvious reasons, I must protest one of your statements. There might not be a rude awakening.

Altho the GOP/Teatards are completely off-base and don’t even represent their own voters any more, their strength is how they are 100% capable of generating extremely strong memes and keeping their members 100% on the ball with them. This is in sharp contrast to the spinless Dems who are completely incapable of generating any sort of meme, or telling the public what they’ve accomplished and how they accomplished it.

Once they allowed the religious right taliban, the John Birch Society, the Ku Klux Klan, and the skinheads into the dance, they drove the regular wingnuts to the far right and there is no way they will ever find their way back. They are extreme in every category. There is nothing conservative about extreme insanity.

yes they are a bit late, but better now than never said. The Republicans need someone to jerk your chain back and it’s going to have to come from their own party

Oh Brother.
The ‘freak place crash’ in Chillicothe Mo. had the GOP finger prints all over it. It was traced to a GOP stooge mechanic on the take in Kirksville.
Look it up..

The GOP is…now “beyond redemption.” Now that’s a revelation!

Our votes are counted by DieBold. We saw a Bush twice who did not win an election. Face it, there has been a Coup d-etat in America. History Will eventually tell this story. It’s too bad it will not come before we have hit the bottom.

posting talking points of the rupert right is probably his job now.

This from the guy who mentored and pushed the nomination of Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court.

If this guy wants to pretend to be some sort of “concerned moderate” … well, that’s just fine with me.

He’s an ordained minister, so it’s tough to take seriously any attempt on his part to be truthful, but I guess most people who come to RAWSTORY have already figured that one out.

Danforth’s real problem is not an ideological disagreement with the current Republican leaders.

His real problem is that HE is no longer a Republican leader.

. . . any ideological “differences” he has with the new folks are minor and cosmetic.

the facts don’t stop fox nutz … they will report what their propaganda rulers tell them to report and how it should be reported … take the case of the e-mail story from the “Onion” paper that they covered as real news

it’s not that they only generate memes, it’s the amazing fact that they can find enough mindless people to join them, and you would also have to include that they use fear and terror every chance they get

how does one oppose START and still get the backing of their constituents ?

maybe

Why don’t the Republicans just don White Sheets or Brown Shirts? Just offering a choice, Innate Racism is part and parcel of their Bible Thumping “Christianity”. Check out the Beer Bellies lined up at the Palin “book” signing; Mein Kampf Lite.
No wonder all of XVII Europe celebated a Great Thanksgiving as the caravels disappeared over the horizon!

Pav vobiscum you all.

when the t-bgrs were angry banks/wall street and corps maybe i could somewhat believe that what they are angry at is what most people are angry about. but they no longer have that anger (because they are getting money from kock/murdock groups). the only thing they want is to remove the current president at ANY cost

Seems that the left wing moonbats would follow anyone that supports taking money out of their own pockets for a trumped up crisis. Show just how “gullible” they are at all times.

http://sroblog.com/2010/11/27/al-gores-ethanol-epiphany-wsj-com/

More 18th century thinking. Ewe pipple knead a fue coarsez in phiscle
polisy and monetary theory

Don’t have to. I read it in the original time frame. I know what it said.
Are you a pilot?

Life is cruel and difficult. Jerry, Ted and Tom [Eagleton] were real
liberals and are sorely missed. We do no favors to the desired outcomes or
their memories by passing along spin or disinformation.

And just what’s ‘wrong’ with AIPAC? That they’re Jews, or that we listen to
others’ opinions?

“DesertSun59
His statements are a bit late to the game.”

True That… Smile :-)

If he were truely contrite about his contribution to this mess, he would
renounce the republican’t party – as I did – get involved in progressive
discussions, as a progressive, and reflect the education all Episcopal
Priests receive, even though he is no longer frocked. There are many
issues for him to pursue: Gene Robinson’s consecration and the rude
treatment he’s received from some of the ‘faithful’, women priests,
homosexuality in the church and priesthood, and I’m not even started
yet!!!!!!

Your handle says it all

Both parties are beyond redemption! But then again in reality, we have just one party disguising itself as D and R, to mollify the people. It is funded and wholly owned by corporate interests. The Congress serves those masters (and itself) while pretending to serve the people.
Only with an electorate as stupid as the American public, could people in power get away with this shameless charade.

The Dems have got to quit disinterring Reagan as if mentioning his name is some sort of magic talisman to the New Right Rockheads. He means nothing to them and they would also put him on their do-list. Can the mighty cult of Reagan be crumbling already? Actually the best thing Reagan did anyway was that WB film Desperate Journey where he was second banana to Errol Flynn. Now THAT is a reason to bring up Ronnie!

I, for one, am beginning to not trust the government. I think that they MAY BE lying to us sometimes.

As far as I am concerned, the big worry that the “GOP is going to Hell” doesn’t mean beans to me. Let it go to Hell. And if the tea Party will take it there faster, so much the better.

For my part, I consider this treason.

CAUGHT BETWEEN THE DEVIL/TEABAGGERS AND THE DEEP BLUE SEA

In order to gain the political power they’ve enjoyed for decades, Republican moderates and fiscal conservatives made a pact with the devil (faux Christians, bigots, racists, sexists – teabaggers) to achieve the numbers they needed to defeat Democrats. They made a strategic decision to manipulate and exploit the ignorance, fears and hatreds of dysfunctional, malleable and misanthropic voters in order to win elections rather than lose them by being intellectually and morally HONEST.

Today, those who conspired with the devil are caught between wanting to disassociate themselves with/casting out the demons/teabaggers they empowered and the karmic reality that they don’t have the numbers to hold on to or regain power without accepting and “advocating” the immoral prejudices, hypocrisies and corruptions that are dividing and destroying their party.

The survival of today’s shrinking Republican Party is so dependent on extremism that they have no significant power left WITH or WITHOUT the support of America’s increasingly pernicious lunatic fringe.

The idiom “caught between the devil and the deep blue sea” is appropriate as Republicans are facing the dilemma of choosing between two equally undesirable alternatives that both result in Republican impotence in mainstream American politics. They are suffering the consequences of their treachery.

Their irresponsible propping up of George W. Bush cost them their credibility, and the malicious dissonance of teabaggers, birthers and deathers exacerbated by the incendiary exhortations of Palin, Beck, Limbaugh and Hannity are costing them their viability.

Youre starting to think the Gov. “may be” lying to us. Hello McFly! Anybody home? If 3 exploding skyscrapers didn’t give you a clue, please STOP HELPING! You are not qualified.

Prove it!

The bush administration needs to be fully investigated starting with a new 9/11 investigation, everyone who has half a brain knows that something stinks.

“The work of government and those who engage in it is to hold together as one people a very diverse country.”
Good point. Pretty much the fundamental point of the preamble of the Constitution. So why have both parties abandoned this cause? Uh, that would be because of the trillions of dollars they’ve been given to cut taxes on the top 1% and their corporations, AND to keep spending all of the nation’s revenue on weapons manufactured by those corporations while the taxpayers spend the rest of the money on drugs and gasoline provided by those corporations. The curious part of the system which guarantees its success is how the electorate wastes its time arguing about who’s a bigger (extremist, believer, unbeliever, liberal, conservative, etc) while the numbers of people sleeping in their cars grows by the thousands every week. You can’t get away with that in any other Western country. Just the USA. Why is that?

I am glad to see someone finally acknowledge that the Religious Right is pulling the strings.They don’t want our foreign policy to succeed. They want to see the path to Armegeddon succeed.

I would be willing to bet we have only a few inches left to the bottom… it ain’t pretty!

Go to Heritage Foundation… the right wing extremists’ thin tank???? Sorry, I’ll take my chances with all the undocumented workers we can talk into coming to this country. It will be a step UP for our nation, intellectually AND financially!!!

Socialistarian, AMEN!!! I couldn’t have said it any better! The American white is basically an unbelievable lazy butt! THAT’S why Corporate sent the jobs overseas! The American whities are too “proud” and “spoiled” to do a day’s work. They wanna shop on the internet while their “servants” FETCH their TEA and McDs for them. And Britannicfoolish comes along with his “wish list” of things to coplain about. i see the bottom of the barrel coming forthis country and it ain’t a pretty sight! The undocumented immigrants may just be our last remaining hope!

Why is it these people come to Jesus long after the fact? Why do none of them do it when it will do some good? Because now he has nothing to lose.

The last election made the downfall of the GOP abundantly clear. The GOP has always tolerated a certain amount of adultery, buggery and thievery as long as it was discrete. But they at least some what vetted thier candidates so that they were somewhat qualified. Miller, O’Donnell, Angle, Paul…not so much.

what crisis, exactly, is trumped up?

So Reverend Senator Danforth, what are you going to do to fix this problem?

I think that Danforth is an honorable man, among the very few honorable men, or women, in the Republican party.

You are right on in your thinking…except that their strategy is working…sadly. What makes you think that they will not continue with their lies about Obama. They are clearly telling us what they intend to do…with success. 2012 will change nothing. The system is corrupt and broken beyond repair.

One way to help with our current lousy crop of political candidates would be to only vote for candidates who have not and will not accept any business/corporate money. Doesn’t matter what party. If none of the available candidates fit the bill then please vote anyways and cast a blank ballot for that office. Let them know that you voted and found none of them acceptable.

Its a pity they realized what we’ve been screaming for decades…but now its too late…the moderates of the GOP have too few allies to survive properly…unless they break the Fox/Jesus Crispie/Sarah-tard stranglehold that has been looped around their necks. If they can’t take the party back toward the center right instead of the batshit fringe…they are beyond redemption…and in a generations time…beyond electability.

Question is what is right with it.

What took you so long?

Very astute comment. We’re seeing what always happens when significant change is about to occur. Opposite perspectives become highly polarized and more extreme. Note that the Republicans’ only significant strategy right now is simply to prevent anyone else from being successful. This is the strategy of losers…always has been.

It’s just simply sour grapes and desperation. They don’t know what else to do. The dingbats they’ve recruited to their “cause”, which remains pretty much undefined, don’t represent a constituency coherent enough to support any particular position, so the Republicans can only oppose and stir up hatred for their opponents. If they take any solid positions, they’re toast with the incoherent goofballs who support them, so they don’t.

Yep! You’re unfortunately right on the money with that one! They’re both sold out. That’s why the Dims yell at the Repugs while doing nothing effective about the issues at stake. They’re just making noise while remaining complicit with the overall agenda of the corporate stakeholders. Look what Bush did while Democrats yelped impotently. Yet while the Dims had a huge majority, what did they get done? They could have run all over the Repugs just like Bush did them with much less favorable circumstances, but they didn’t. Anyone really wonder why?

You need to question your brain-washing!

He oughta do what I did!

Honorability comes with repentance and an act of contrition … like outing
stepin fetchit and his ethiscs-less wife.

Not if you get busy; vote and turn others out to vote in the same vein.

How many times? It’s not the money. It’s the ideology. Ban corp. money,
the corp. officer gives. It’s not the money. It’s the ideology.
It’s not the money. It’s the ideology.
It’s not the money. It’s the ideology.
It’s not the money. It’s the ideology.
It’s not the money. It’s the ideology.
It’s not the money. It’s the ideology.

At last I’ve been asked a stupid question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I thought it
would never happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Question is what is right with it? — Everything!

Your racially coated anti-semitism is showing; go woship a snake in the
Kentucky hills.

Why don’t you learn the rules of the Congress? The republican’ts had a
majority of one in this Congress and the last.
That one is named Phil E., Buster!

I’m not brainwashed; you’re projecting again. Announce for the world your
opportunity to enter the 21st Century

when it arrives.

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If the Tea Baggers have so much power it’s our own fault for giving it to them. The Tea Baggers are not new. They are the John Birch Society from the 1950′s. The GOP when they had any balls kicked them out of the GOP but this year thanks to the millions the Koch Brothers, sons of the founder of the JBS they suddenly became relative as the “The Tea Baggers.” The legitimate GOP must have been in a cold swimming pool since 2008 and developing “shrinkage” of the nads when it comes to governing their own party. Now the legit (what’s left of them) GOP’rs are being threatened. I guess that’s OK though because the Democratic Leadership Committee is right there to fill the GOP’s old right center philosophy.

Duh! When did you go to sleep…..in the last part of the 20th Century?

Until the election of Brown in Massachusette, the Democrats had sixty Senators. That made it filibuster-proof. The problem with the comment is that we often tend to think the parties are monolithic. To say “all Democrats” or “all Republicans” is simplistic and rarely, if ever, accurate. In fact, the comments on this site are often against something rather than identifying what people are in favor of.

Unfortunately for those who want to paint with broad strokes, being in favor of the Tea Party movement does not necessarily make one a teabagger, fascist, Nazi, KKK, or any other appellation. In fact, merely calling somebody a name does not make it true. Nor does it mean the other person is wrong. A more constructive method would be rational response rather than invective more common at a WWE event.

Their ‘nads bin shrinkin since ’74 when nixon left the party

Bruce, Russ Feingold only accepted small donations from citizens and no corporate money and the fools in Wisconsin still elected a bought and paid for multi-millionaire CEO of a plastics company! I fear for our state!

Bruce, Russ Feingold only accepted small donations from citizens and no corporate money and the fools in Wisconsin still elected a bought and paid for multi-millionaire CEO of a plastics company! I fear for our state!

There were not 60 Dems. There were 58 Dems, 40 republican’ts, Liebermann
and Sanders. Any time Nelson, Nelson, Bayh, Lincoln, Dorgan, Conrad or
Testor, there was no cloture. Not that we have any ‘party’ discipline … !

Money buys ideology.

Lest we forget, we have Danforth to thank for Clarence Thomas.

My point! Banning the source is what counts. All political races paid by
the level of government sponsoring the election.

Free radio and TV for the candidates; free space in the local paper.

They’ve been “beyond redemption” for their entire history. All reslugliklans belong in prison.

I agree. So sad. Russ is a class act. Hope he has something left for another run or another kind of leadership contribution.

Beyond redemption and still trying to save themselves through their unabashed mixing of Church and State, as if God is on their side–Same goes with the bogus Tea Party. GOP Warmongers are obstructionists to anything Obama but quick to blame the POTUS for the Crimes Against Humanity and American citizenry brought about by two terms of G.W. Bush and crew. Can’t say much for the Demoncrats.

Clearly you know nothing of history. Do you think Abraham Lincoln was a “reslugliklan”? Do you think John Lindsay was? And Jacob Javits?

The fact that you are linguistically challenged or deranged is no excuse for bad language. Take your pills.

In this limited part of a larger conversation, although your participation
is warranted, your contribution adds nothing – so far. I am neither
deranged nor linguistically challenged. That we don’t share my high
standard of communicating skills is not your fault. It is a function of an
Ivy League education, which you apparantly lack.

Do you wish to defend anti-semitism and racism? There’s an Aryan Nations
compound on the farm across the road and down a bit from ours. The were
‘pa’troling the local streets this weekend recruiting new members. Four
truck loads were booked for ‘rolling drunks’ and ‘taunting’. While they
were in the holding cell up the county seat, they were giving out there
address and phone number to all the white jailbirds in the lockup. Maybe
they can use someone who can read an write beyond the competence of “Dick
and Jane”.

Does the handle “rigaud” have something to do with only hearing what the
rite has to say?

Essayons,
.

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OK, how about “CONSERVATISM” is a cancer America!

That better?

So it was the poison ivy league you attended. They did too little to ameliorate your intellectual deficiencies alas.

Danforth wasn’t quite so picky when he committed the equivalent of moral blackmail in demanding that Senators confirm his protege Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court or stand accused of racism.

stepin fetchit was not his protoge. Danforth was carrying the water for the
AG who was looking to ‘bork’ the senate. Danforth made the mistake of
letting the administration turn him into the pointman, drumbeater and target
for post cataclysmic eruption. In his defense, he was chosen because he
wasn’t among ‘the chosen few’ of the conservative inner circle, maintained a
dialog and cache with Dems on the hill and had some social aura to go with
it.

In the end John failed on two counts and they will be his political epitaph.
When the nomination was released, John received a briefing book and he
failed to vette or verify the veracity of the entries in the briefer. His
second fatal error was not abandoning the mission as the lugnuts came loose,
instead – he tried with a dervish to keep ‘em tight because he ‘was a good
republican’.

He deserves his political fate, and has earned it, too. He fucked up so
badly, he can’t get his collar back from the Bishop of St.Louis.

Essayons,
.

Well … at least you’re on the literate side of discontent. Maybe someday
your political maturity will overtake your loquacity. As it is now, your
mouth is writing cheques your political skills can’t cover.
Essayons,
.

they vetted their candidates??? Newsflash; Sarah Palin. repukes haven’t vetted anyone in decades, and when they do, it’s done all the way by treasonous turds like the blood diamond king Pat Robertson and the gayer than thou Ted Haggard, not to mention Focus on the Freak Show James Dobson.

I should clarify. It was my neighbors who were both rolling and drunk. Had they been engaged in the age-old rural practice of taking advantage of inebriated souls or bodies, I wouldn’t have been so kind. Sharing their address and phone number was quite a challenge for them. They had been taunting fireplugs – for being reticent.

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Shouldn’t representative represent the people that elect them. Isn’t that the concept. Maybe his job wouldn’t be in jeaopardy if he listened.

May being a representative requires representing the people who elected. Maybe his job would not be in jeopardy if he represented the people who elected him.

Isn’t it odd that 11 out of 12 criminal convictions among legislator were democrats. Not to mention the governor who tried to sell a seat. The gop may have had a downfall in the last election but you can’t say it did a lot for the democrats either. They have moved so far left that it makes good for more tea party members.

Appaerntly christians arn’t entitled to representation in your world. Like or not they are there and their opinions are as valid as anyones. I suspect it depends on what “foreign policy” you are talking about.

Maybe because people are tired of working half the year to support some who don’t want to work. Some are tired of three generations of welfare. Some are tired of a government who promotes welfare and reliance on it. Self repect, self reliance, and self control would bring us a lot closer to being one. Some find it hard to distinguish between a thief who takes what is yours and a government that takes what is yours. Recognizing there has to be some system of taxation, I think it should be a flat tax. Then the rich pay more than the middle class and nobody gets away without paying their fair share. Don’t burden me with all of my neighbors problems when I have enough of my own. Especially when his problems were created by his choices, frequently. Freedom and independence is what Americans were famous for. Not looking to everyone else to take care of me. I don’t want a baby sitter. Can you imagine Gov. Swartznegger having to issue an order declaring that welfare recipients could not longer cash checks at casinos or pay for tatoos will welfare money. The thought that welfare recipients could ever do this is an outrage.

It is clear that you are the biggot. You obviously believe Christians should not be able to have representation in government. Perhaps you would like to take their vote away also. While the republicans may have been hurt in the last election the liberals and the Democrats were devistated. I as a republican appreciate your concern. However I think it is misplaced.

What is it you think he can do with regard to the church?

Ever wonder why all those “nutz” watch fox and yet the inteletual left apparently can’t draw flys? Maybe it is because they don’t trust the information they get from the left.

Back to the old racist garbage. If a man believes people should be responsible for his own support he is automatically a racist. What a fiction. Some of us still support the concept of liberty and independence. We don’t want a baby sitter and we don’t want to be employed and working for the state half of every year. I am one of those and I don’t care what color a man is.

Remember, these shameful republicans gave the democrats the worst beating in seventy years. You might ask yourselves why?

Funny, I didn’t hear many democrats laughing in 2012

The problem is that the demotards don’t understand that America wants less government. I think that was made clear in the last election. Sure you can try and explain it away, but I am afraid it is the truth.

Yes the mindless should allow you to think for them. Make decisions for them. Enslave them. Working half the year for the government is not enough. We should pay more.

The last election shows they should be. The next election will prove interesting.

If it means more government I hope you are wrong.

As a conservative I would agree to trade one of our healthy welfare non-workers for one of there healthy industrious workers. Trade with Mexico one for one.

Spoken like a highly intellligent man. Obviously a hater of others.

It is only the ultimate ‘christians’ who are seeking to disenfranchise
voters. You’re a liar. The proof is all over the internet and Library of
Congress. Your ‘trype’ is so arrogant you publish with profligate abandon
your vision for the future.

Fundamentalist christians are punks – and that’s on an exceptional day –
typically you-all are bullies and run on confrontation with truth and
justice.

Essayons,
Lum

That’s cause you have a monopoly on the flies. As long as your mouth is
open … !

He’s correct – as a collective, tea-beggars [including ewe] are ignorant and
racist. The effect of your hatred, not its intent makes you ignorant racist
fools.

He can visit with the PB and enter into a program of penance and contrition
designed by Bishop Shorr.

He can renounce the devil and its valet the republican party.

He can endorse retired Bishop Gene Robinson.

He can seek to increase the number of women ordained into the offices of the
church.

He can research the social contract and seek to extend the house of the
church in protection of the person: body, souls and minds of homosexuals
who are cowered by violence.

He can minister to victims of domestic violence.

What can you do constructive?

I consider anyone who wants to enslave me by taking what I produce or earn a traitor. That was hisorically the Demorcrats and liberals. I prefer liberty, independence and less government. A lot less. I am happy to see there is finally a balance of power.

Promises always sound better than the truth. In the last election cycle
Dems stuck to the facts; you asswholes lied through your fellatial teeth.

The citizens of the United States want responsive, effective and productive
government. This requires your repatriation to Palestine or Yemen.

Since when does being intelligent equate to being a hater of others? And where do you get off thinking that? I am defending rights of citizens and immigrants alike. I am standing by the constitution that many pretend to defend. I admit I could have chosen some of my vulgar words more carefully so if that’s where you got my “hatred of others” from, understandable, yet you’re mistaken. I’m just disgusted by people who don’t fact check.

By the way, I’m not a man. I’m a WOman.

Ironically, more Government is what we need. We have more of a corporation than a Government right now. And more government means stronger, united country, bigger middle class, and more social programs.

Unbeknownst to you and many others, Bush expanded the Government more than any other President in history. Sadly, that expansion was for more Private enterprise in government, meaning none of his policies actually benefitted American citizens, all while he tarnished the name of Government for decades to come.

I believe that believers of EVERY DEMONIATION should NOT have their particular interpretations of religion represented in government. It’s fundamentalists and evangelicals who want to foist their beliefs on others. You can believe whatever you want, but your beliefs should have no impact on those who believe differently.

Religion means too many DIFFERENT things to too many DIFFERENT people and arouses too many irrational conflicting emotions to have any unifying influence whatsoever over the common good of a nation of laws.

Why is it that today’s so-called Christians are everything but “Christ-like”?

The vulgarities seem to eminenate more from the left than they do from
the right that they so vehlmently despise. What about the right not to
have to pay for those who don’t contribute. Where in the constitution does
it say some shall get a free ride. Where in the constitution does it say
that borders cannot be closed to foreigners. I am not oppossed to anyone
of any color who is willling to contribute. I do think they should obtain
legal status. Serving in our military sounds like a good way. Paying
taxes like everyone else is another. I’ve always been confused by the left
saying on one hand that corporate america is terrible for sending jobs
outside but on the other hand it is okay for foreigners to come here and
take jobs from Americans. Shouldn’t citizens have first priority?

I respectfully disagree with you. Anytime you have more government you
have more taxes, less freedom and ultimately slavery of the Citizenship.
Government. How many months out of the year do I have to work for
government before I can consider myself in slavery. Government will take
the fruits of my labor and do what with it. Continue a welfare program
that is three generations deep. Not an America I want to live in. For
me, the words of Patrick Henry still mean something. “Give me liberty or
give me death”. I have never been a fan of Bush. Specifically for the
expansion of government along with the unecessary wars and the unforgivable
expenditures on those wars. A would prefer powerful corporations over
powerful governments. I don’t want more social programs I want less
government. A lot less.

What is religion? It is merely a belief like any other belief. You
interpret law based upon what you believe, whether it comes from the
research other’s have done or personal experience. Laws are created by the
same process. The belief’s of the legislator’s. Religion is exactly the
same as politics. The left wants to imipose their beliefs of right and
wrong and how much I should give to their programs to support them on
everyone. How is that any different than the religionist offering their
opinions on how the world should be. You want to foist your liberal ideas
on everyone to the point of what I view as slavery. I already work for the
government five months of every year. How many more must I work before I
can call myself a slave? There are as many religions as there are ideas.
It is hypocrital to say you can “believe anything you want but your beliefs
should have no impact on those who believe differently”. This is exactly
what we republicans are complaing about. We don’t want you imposing your
belief’s, religious or otherwise on us. We simply want to be free of
government. Government should provide protection from others and a way for
commerce (i.e. Contruction of roads and infra structure and lilttle else.
You want to impose your beliefs/politial views on everyone else and what the
repubs etc. are saying is they believe differently. Don’t imipose your
form of religion on the rest of us. Please. As far as Christianity goes,
I’m a believer. Christ forced no-one to do anything. He invited them to
follow. He did not ask government to impose slavery on the majorty in
order to help the poor. I believe every man has a duty to aid his
neighbor, just not through government regulation. That is a direct
violation of my concept of lliberty, independance and freedom.

Your ignorance doesn’t rise to the level of insignificance. Bet you had a
pet dinosaur when you were a baby in one of your previous lives.

Intelligent as defined by who? It was your language. It sounded
hateful. I am a believer in those who want to work coming here to do so.
I am oppossed to the idea that “somebody owes me something” which seems to
be hue and cry of the democratic party. I long only for freedom. Mostly
freedom from government. What facts should a man who desires freedom
check. If the left or the right want to take from me what I have created
or earned to impose their political/religious or non-religious views on me
should I not be concerned. A thief take what I have earned and we call him
a thief and put him in jail. Politicians take what is mine to put it their
purposes and its deemed patriotic. Both sound lilke thieves to me. People
are frequently judge by the words they speak. I also believe that every
man/woman has a duty to help his neighbor. I do not believe it is
governments place to impose that duty. Please accept my apology for
failing to notice that you were a woman.

Hey, Soc -

Soc it to ‘im. Love your combative style!

Lum

Well said. Don’t agree with you about the viability of religion. But I
like the way you put it and would enjoy a lively discussion sometime about
the issue.

YES I AM A MONSTER THAT WILL MAKE YOU FOLLOW EVERYTHING I TELL YOU TO DO

so stfu

Your a monster to the same degree as the religious extremest, only on the other side, which is just as bad. They impose their religious view on you thus infringing on your liberty and you would impose your politicall views on them if you could, thus enslaving them in the same way. Hate the rich and all who promote God, family and courtry.  That seems to be the cry of the liberals these day.  Very sad things that once made us strong now come under attack.

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tell it to someone who gives a rats a$$ what you think

sent by my fingers from my keyboard

“Think’l” is the key word.  Try it.

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Yeah, well how does that change the reality that Bush did pretty much everything he wanted under substantially less favorable circumstances unless we discount the feckless behavior of the Dimmocrats?

shrub had an activist court that would rubber stamp Executive Orders,
setting an even more odious, reprehensible, evil and destructive precedent
than what we now have. His majority of 1 was still Phil E. Buster.

I storngly recommend you learn the definition of feckless; your use of the
term is reckless – actually.

Dems aren’t ‘feckless’; they are divided, can furnish the government a
2-party system without assistance from the republican’ts, and subject to
gerrymandering, now that the republican’ts control the courts, press and
access to state legislatures.

i think all the time, and there are all kind of thoughts going around out there … good, bad, evil, understanding, empathetic, greed, lust, dumb, smart, etc., it’s all in the way we perceive it, so i’ll leave you with your nasty little thoughts

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If the the desire to be free is nasty then I thank you for leaving me with those thoughts.  You can continue to hate the rich and the productive if that what suits.  Try to pull the successful down into the fish bowl with everyone else instead of admiring ingennuity condem it.  Lets become like the Russia of the last decacade.  You have made it clear that you don’t care what others, or at leat,I think.  But, Keep in mind, that with your hostile tone no one is ever going to believe you “care” for anyone.  By the way, I am far from wealthy, at least as far as money goes so you’ll have to find another reason express your hate and dislike for me, someone you don’t know.

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Actually the Tea Baggers are not a grass roots bunch. The history of this astroturf gang comes directly from the Koch Brothers, billionaires, who poured hundreds of millions of dollars getting the sheep to riot. These two brothers own Georgia Pacific and do NOT want the Obama agenda (or what’s left of it) to get ANY traction. They WANT middle class poor. It’s a real misnomer to call them “grass roots” at all.

That is a great idea, but when our local Senate candidate Andrew Romanoff tried it, he still got beat by sitting Senator Michael Bennet (Colorado). Romanoff refused Corporate donations, but Bennet had the backing of Corp and the Dems. Too bad too, he was and is a great, ethical and moral person. It’s Colorado’s loss.

Really? Where did you get those figures eh? FAUX News? There’s a list of Republithug felons as long as my arm. Don’t believe me? Check this out: http://www.republicanoffenders.com/Felonies3.html

Good question. My sister has a “born again” friend on the East Coast who stands in front of planned parenthood with signs telling how “immoral” and “sinful” abortions are, but she’s had three herself and is now past child bearing age. So since she doesn’t NEED the right to choose for herself now, she wants to deny it to others. Most women do not choose to have abortions as a form of birth control, but for health reasons, incest or rape. This so called “born again” biatch had them just because she didn’t want them. What hypocrites. No one LIKES abortion, but it should ALWAYS be the woman’s choice based on her own personal experience. Even as a Liberal, I would be against abortions just because they don’t want another child, but I still support a woman’s right to make that decision for herself. It shouldn’t be made by the government OR some Religious FANATIC!

The Religious Fanatics don’t want rights, they want to RULE everyone else’s and take their rights AWAY. They are haters and bigots and want us all to march to the beat of their Christian drum. Well, I’m NOT a Christian and this is NOT a Christian nation. So get over yourselves. I’m a Native American and I have my own spirituality and it’s not based on being a hater or a fanatic or trying to convert everyone to my way of thinking. You have a right to your religion as does everyone else.

Where do you live? In lalaland? Our jobs have been outsourced overseas, the CEOs are taking big bonuses for laying people off to make bigger profits. The people drawing unemployment can ONLY draw it if they were laid off or fired FOR NO REASON!!! If they were lazy they wouldn’t have been working in the first place. WOW! Must be nice to be so far above everyone else that you can judge why they have no money. Karma is a great equalizer and I’ve seen it come around to bite people like you in the butt many times. It’s coming………..

So right Kola!

Here’s the difference – a slave just works and gets NOTHING but punishment. You pay taxes like everyone else (except the rich) and get good roads to drive on, public schools and libraries, unemployment benefits, better health care and the list goes on. Where do you think the money for these things comes from? It used to be viewed as patriotic to pay our fair share of taxes. But if I read you right, you think people like you are just going to step in out of the goodness of their hearts and pave the roads, fill the libraries, pay the school teachers, care for the poor etc. Obviously you already believe that helping the poor is a bad thing, so what kind of “Christian” are you? I hate to tell you this but your Christ was a liberal thinker – feed the hungry, clothe the naked, shelter the homeless, care for the aged and sick, give to those less fortunate……hmmm I’d think really hard on that friend…..REALLY hard. You call yourself a Christian? Really?

I contribute to the poor.  I don’t believe government has the right to force their moral view of how must.  I agree road should be paid for.   I do not believe anybody owes me even if I .am about to lose my house because business has slowed.  Maybe after I’ve sold everything I own I might  might resort to begging.  Buy the government owes me nothing but protect and infrastructure, I.e. Roads.  Because I am a sile proprietor I don’t get unemployment because I am self employed.  I do pay unemploymebt my two emplyees who make more than I.  I do pay my taxes and enjoy the roads.   From a perfectly logical point of view what do the poor do to contribute.  I’m talking about the poor who are physically able but instead choose to be third generation welfare recipients.  What gives you the right to take from others to provide for them.   How many times I have been bothered by food stamp recipients who have more and better food in their basket than I do working fifty houyrs a week.   Is that your idea of fairness.  I had a secretary who through bad choices had two children from two fathers.    She quit because more benefits staying at home.  Doesn’t want to work.   Has a big.screen TV and a has a very nice apartment.  Doesn’t wantt an education because she would rather stay home with her kids and receive welfare just as her mother before here.  How is that fair.   My other secretary is also a mother of two and works her hardest to take care of her daughters while living in a dive.  I wish I coyld pay her more but I can’t.  She doenlt have a big screen tv avd neither I.   I’am not opposed to helping the poor just opposed to your side creating an unfair system that allows people to proser more when they don’t produce than when they do and a system that creates the impression that somebody owes me something.  Like our fore father who beliieved who pledged theit lives, property and sacred honor for liberty I will alway oppose the sale of that liberty to any form of government.   Those who came here did not believe anyone owed them anything.  I shall prosper or fail on my own.  Just keep government and those who believe themselves qualified to steal from Mr.  away.  That’s alll  I ask.

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astroturf is quite accurate. so is your history lesson

This was a win – win for Color-a-do.

Corporate money isn’t the problem. We can ban it all day & night, but the
executives will take up the fiscal slack. It’s the morality of the
candidates that counts. Public financing will work

His numbers are all off: off the top of his head, off the mark and off-ten
wrong as faux news

The welfare reform bill mansated a maximum time an individual or family
could receive assistance. His gee-tar got no strings; he’s got no facts

I’m not familiar with la la land but suspect that you are. You are the one
who is critical of Christians and then pretend to implore his teachings into
your politics. Did Christ, even though he had the power, ever tell
government it was it’s responsibility to feed the people? No he
didn’t. It was his neighbors responsibility. Not the laws. Did he ever
tell them they shouldn’t steal, yes he did. No you don’t and you don’t
care. You simply hate the rich and Christians. You give no thought to what
the rich contribute. Why don’t you describe for me the extra contribution
you make every year in your taxes. Tell how many times a year you go to the
Salvation Army with your family to help the poor. I suspect you don’t at
all. How much money do you contribute to the poor. With the intelligence
you profess you probably alreay know this but here are the tax contribution
level. You can find this on answer.com:

*”Some quick statistics: The top 1% of earners pay 21.20% of all taxes paid
at an average rate of 24%, the top 2 – 5% of earners pay 14.55% of all taxes
at an average of 18% (Top 5% pay @36% of all tax) The bottom 50% pay 3% of
all tax collected at an average rate of 2.98%.”*

Now with the figures do the math. Top one percent of earners payh 21.20
percent of all taxes paid. When you do all the math you find that 97% of
all taxes paid are paid by the 50% of earners. That leaves a payment of
only three percent by the lower 50 per cent of earners even though they make
up the vast majory of earners. In fact about forty per cent get back more
that they pay in to taxes due to the earned income credit for children.

Next question, who creates jobs. The rich, the poor or the middle class?
Answer mostly the rich. Are they required by law or morality for that
matter to do this. No, there is nothing on earth or in heaven that requires
this.

Why do the rich and the corporations move to foreign countrie?: Simple
answer, we live in a world economy and we cannot compete because everyone
else does it better for less. Sad but true. Our standard of living must go
down or we will never again compete in a world market. It doesn’t take an
Einstein to figure where this leads. You know we cannot exclude the
world. Yes there are many unfair things that can be fixed but when you talk
about fairness maybe in your mind having one percent of the populas paying
21% of all taxes received sounds fair to you but not to me. Having 50
percent of the upper earners paying 97 per cent of all taxes doesn’t sound
fair either. Giving free money to some peopole and not to others isn’t fair
either. Less government, more to spend. The rich don’t sit on the their
money. Hate them if you like but I believe they have contributed more to
society than you or I and we should be grateful, not more demanding. The
word “entitlement” has become a belief by many. We had women here in our
small town standing outside the food bank marching with picket signs because
their cheese was a few days late in arriving. That may people who struggle
to earn a living sick. I am one of those. When it comes to Christianity
I will continue to help my neighbors but do not want the government ordering
on one hand, and you pretending to be offended if one is too much Christian
on One hand and not enough on the other. I’ve enjoyed your rational
discussions. There have been some good questions and I admit I don’t have
the answers. I know blaming the Christians and the Rich is not the accurate
answer however.

Read more:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_percentage_of_federal_income_tax_is_paid_by_the_wealthy#ixzz177eDGCQx

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After review, I apologize for mispellings.

If I don’t pay my taxes I will be treated like a slave.  Working.five months out of the year for nothing is slavery.

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Not in the legislature.

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Actually it came from in a liberal news paper on the internet.    I assumed it was liberal because out of the twelve they they listed the only republican first.   

I know how hard that is for someone coming from a party that has the only president in history to be impeached and disbarred for his dishonesty.    Having said that you have persuaded me that there are a lot of crooks on both side.  You just have the last eleven out of tweve.  I think that changed to eleven of 13 yesterday when former repub soeaker was convinced.

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Jumping crimany, you had ti go to a site that included city councilmen.  I limited mine to legislators at the federal level

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Wow, that’s an extremely nice read!

i’d love to share this posting with the readers on my site. thanks for sharing!

One definition of “feckless” is “unfit to assume responsibility”; another, “ineffective”. Yes, it also can mean incompetent or even intellectually deficient, but then how do YOU define incompetence? That doesn’t have to mean you aren’t smart enough or skilled enough. It can mean you either don’t have any motivation or you’re motivated by the wrong things, such as drugs, for example. In the case of our congress, they’re addicted to lobbyists’ deals and the money they bring to their campaigns. I call them feckless because, whatever their professed intentions, they’re not doing what they’re elected to do: represent their constituents interests and rather than the interests of those who amount almost literally to their corporate employers.

Yeah Robert, I can visualize your argument in action. Since your
pussy-whipped republican’ts don’t take money from lobyists to vote the
‘right way’, they aren’t feckless. Your republican’t Congress-critters,
administrators and judges are merely receiving tokens of appreciation from
their constituents for enacting and enabling legislation the supports their
social and religious dichotomy. Whereas Democrats who fight for election
and reelection are feckless. Next thing that will happen is instant
justice, like we saw on Saurday, 8 January, 2011.
Take your mewling and puke filled excuses for republican’t rule and shove’em
in your alementary canal and use your navel for a periscope.
.

Yeah Robert, I can visualize your argument in action. Since your
pussy-whipped republican’ts don’t take money from lobyists to vote the
‘right way’, they aren’t feckless. Your republican’t Congress-critters,
administrators and judges are merely receiving tokens of appreciation from
their constituents for enacting and enabling legislation the supports their
social and religious dichotomy. Whereas Democrats who fight for election
and reelection are feckless. Next thing that will happen is instant
justice, like we saw on Saurday, 8 January, 2011.
Take your mewling and puke filled excuses for republican’t rule and shove’em
in your alementary canal and use your navel for a periscope.
.

Yeah Robert, I can visualize your argument in action. Since your
pussy-whipped republican’ts don’t take money from lobyists to vote the
‘right way’, they aren’t feckless. Your republican’t Congress-critters,
administrators and judges are merely receiving tokens of appreciation from
their constituents for enacting and enabling legislation the supports their
social and religious dichotomy. Whereas Democrats who fight for election
and reelection are feckless. Next thing that will happen is instant
justice, like we saw on Saurday, 8 January, 2011.
Take your mewling and puke filled excuses for republican’t rule and shove’em
in your alementary canal and use your navel for a periscope.
.

Yeah Robert, I can visualize your argument in action. Since your
pussy-whipped republican’ts don’t take money from lobyists to vote the
‘right way’, they aren’t feckless. Your republican’t Congress-critters,
administrators and judges are merely receiving tokens of appreciation from
their constituents for enacting and enabling legislation the supports their
social and religious dichotomy. Whereas Democrats who fight for election
and reelection are feckless. Next thing that will happen is instant
justice, like we saw on Saurday, 8 January, 2011.
Take your mewling and puke filled excuses for republican’t rule and shove’em
in your alementary canal and use your navel for a periscope.
.

Yeah Robert, I can visualize your argument in action. Since your
pussy-whipped republican’ts don’t take money from lobyists to vote the
‘right way’, they aren’t feckless. Your republican’t Congress-critters,
administrators and judges are merely receiving tokens of appreciation from
their constituents for enacting and enabling legislation the supports their
social and religious dichotomy. Whereas Democrats who fight for election
and reelection are feckless. Next thing that will happen is instant
justice, like we saw on Saurday, 8 January, 2011.
Take your mewling and puke filled excuses for republican’t rule and shove’em
in your alementary canal and use your navel for a periscope.
.

Yeah Robert, I can visualize your argument in action. Since your
pussy-whipped republican’ts don’t take money from lobyists to vote the
‘right way’, they aren’t feckless. Your republican’t Congress-critters,
administrators and judges are merely receiving tokens of appreciation from
their constituents for enacting and enabling legislation the supports their
social and religious dichotomy. Whereas Democrats who fight for election
and reelection are feckless. Next thing that will happen is instant
justice, like we saw on Saurday, 8 January, 2011.
Take your mewling and puke filled excuses for republican’t rule and shove’em
in your alementary canal and use your navel for a periscope.
.

Yeah Robert, I can visualize your argument in action. Since your
pussy-whipped republican’ts don’t take money from lobyists to vote the
‘right way’, they aren’t feckless. Your republican’t Congress-critters,
administrators and judges are merely receiving tokens of appreciation from
their constituents for enacting and enabling legislation the supports their
social and religious dichotomy. Whereas Democrats who fight for election
and reelection are feckless. Next thing that will happen is instant
justice, like we saw on Saurday, 8 January, 2011.
Take your mewling and puke filled excuses for republican’t rule and shove’em
in your alementary canal and use your navel for a periscope.
.

Yeah Robert, I can visualize your argument in action. Since your
pussy-whipped republican’ts don’t take money from lobyists to vote the
‘right way’, they aren’t feckless. Your republican’t Congress-critters,
administrators and judges are merely receiving tokens of appreciation from
their constituents for enacting and enabling legislation the supports their
social and religious dichotomy. Whereas Democrats who fight for election
and reelection are feckless. Next thing that will happen is instant
justice, like we saw on Saurday, 8 January, 2011.
Take your mewling and puke filled excuses for republican’t rule and shove’em
in your alementary canal and use your navel for a periscope.
.

Well, Lumbering Jock, you have me all wrong. I’m independent, but usually vote Dimmocratic. I don’t get many other options for casting my vote. If you read my earlier posts, you will see I think both parties stink, with a few individual exceptions within them.

At least Ron Paul and Kucinich, although they differ enormously in their political perspectives, are actually very notable exceptions to the rule. I would take either one of them over the ones we actually get to vote for regardless of how well or not their agendas fit mine, simply because I think they would ATTEMPT to do what they really believe is in the true public good and not just what makes campaign money flow in by the millions. What some people don’t get is this: that attempting and doing are very different things.

So many voters think a president can just do whatever the campaign promises made indicate that candidate would LIKE to do. Wow!

I would also respectfully request that you refrain from silly personal attacks that not only fail to illuminate the subject, but actually reflect on your character instead of mine. Not only that, I request that you read more carefully my previous posts, since I think the Repug’s agenda smells a lot worse than the feckless, dim, oh so dim Dimmocrats. Not that they’re any dimmer than the Repugs.

Well, Lumbering Jock, you have me all wrong. I’m independent, but usually vote Dimmocratic. I don’t get many other options for casting my vote. If you read my earlier posts, you will see I think both parties stink, with a few individual exceptions within them.

At least Ron Paul and Kucinich, although they differ enormously in their political perspectives, are actually very notable exceptions to the rule. I would take either one of them over the ones we actually get to vote for regardless of how well or not their agendas fit mine, simply because I think they would ATTEMPT to do what they really believe is in the true public good and not just what makes campaign money flow in by the millions. What some people don’t get is this: that attempting and doing are very different things.

So many voters think a president can just do whatever the campaign promises made indicate that candidate would LIKE to do. Wow!

I would also respectfully request that you refrain from silly personal attacks that not only fail to illuminate the subject, but actually reflect on your character instead of mine. Not only that, I request that you read more carefully my previous posts, since I think the Repug’s agenda smells a lot worse than the feckless, dim, oh so dim Dimmocrats. Not that they’re any dimmer than the Repugs.

Well, Lumbering Jock, you have me all wrong. I’m independent, but usually vote Dimmocratic. I don’t get many other options for casting my vote. If you read my earlier posts, you will see I think both parties stink, with a few individual exceptions within them.

At least Ron Paul and Kucinich, although they differ enormously in their political perspectives, are actually very notable exceptions to the rule. I would take either one of them over the ones we actually get to vote for regardless of how well or not their agendas fit mine, simply because I think they would ATTEMPT to do what they really believe is in the true public good and not just what makes campaign money flow in by the millions. What some people don’t get is this: that attempting and doing are very different things.

So many voters think a president can just do whatever the campaign promises made indicate that candidate would LIKE to do. Wow!

I would also respectfully request that you refrain from silly personal attacks that not only fail to illuminate the subject, but actually reflect on your character instead of mine. Not only that, I request that you read more carefully my previous posts, since I think the Repug’s agenda smells a lot worse than the feckless, dim, oh so dim Dimmocrats. Not that they’re any dimmer than the Repugs.

Well, Lumbering Jock, you have me all wrong. I’m independent, but usually vote Dimmocratic. I don’t get many other options for casting my vote. If you read my earlier posts, you will see I think both parties stink, with a few individual exceptions within them.

At least Ron Paul and Kucinich, although they differ enormously in their political perspectives, are actually very notable exceptions to the rule. I would take either one of them over the ones we actually get to vote for regardless of how well or not their agendas fit mine, simply because I think they would ATTEMPT to do what they really believe is in the true public good and not just what makes campaign money flow in by the millions. What some people don’t get is this: that attempting and doing are very different things.

So many voters think a president can just do whatever the campaign promises made indicate that candidate would LIKE to do. Wow!

I would also respectfully request that you refrain from silly personal attacks that not only fail to illuminate the subject, but actually reflect on your character instead of mine. Not only that, I request that you read more carefully my previous posts, since I think the Repug’s agenda smells a lot worse than the feckless, dim, oh so dim Dimmocrats. Not that they’re any dimmer than the Repugs.

Do you really believe people have the time to attend your past attempts at
communication. I even doubt there is a way. I suspect this is a ploy to
send us off on a wild goose chase, where there is no fruition. I don’t have
time to attend your history of rants about Dimmocrats and Repugs. Anyone
who considers either of the pauls a fundamentally sound politician needs a
lesson in Civics and three or four in Economics, with an emphasis on public
finance. As much as I admire Kucinich for his straight-forward liberalism,
he’s no executive; he isn’t decisive. Keep him in a legislature where he
can be an effective voice of social conscience.
Call again sometime!
.

Do you really believe people have the time to attend your past attempts at
communication. I even doubt there is a way. I suspect this is a ploy to
send us off on a wild goose chase, where there is no fruition. I don’t have
time to attend your history of rants about Dimmocrats and Repugs. Anyone
who considers either of the pauls a fundamentally sound politician needs a
lesson in Civics and three or four in Economics, with an emphasis on public
finance. As much as I admire Kucinich for his straight-forward liberalism,
he’s no executive; he isn’t decisive. Keep him in a legislature where he
can be an effective voice of social conscience.
Call again sometime!
.

Do you really believe people have the time to attend your past attempts at
communication. I even doubt there is a way. I suspect this is a ploy to
send us off on a wild goose chase, where there is no fruition. I don’t have
time to attend your history of rants about Dimmocrats and Repugs. Anyone
who considers either of the pauls a fundamentally sound politician needs a
lesson in Civics and three or four in Economics, with an emphasis on public
finance. As much as I admire Kucinich for his straight-forward liberalism,
he’s no executive; he isn’t decisive. Keep him in a legislature where he
can be an effective voice of social conscience.
Call again sometime!
.

Do you really believe people have the time to attend your past attempts at
communication. I even doubt there is a way. I suspect this is a ploy to
send us off on a wild goose chase, where there is no fruition. I don’t have
time to attend your history of rants about Dimmocrats and Repugs. Anyone
who considers either of the pauls a fundamentally sound politician needs a
lesson in Civics and three or four in Economics, with an emphasis on public
finance. As much as I admire Kucinich for his straight-forward liberalism,
he’s no executive; he isn’t decisive. Keep him in a legislature where he
can be an effective voice of social conscience.
Call again sometime!
.