No shit, Sherlock.

Shocking! Shocking I said!

As I see it, the US has two choices: invade each and every single country in the Middle East (yes, that includes that other turd out there in the sea of Arabs called Israel) or get the fuck out altogether. Period!

It’s not “shocking” why the fuck do you think 28 pages were redacted by the Bush Whitehouse from the 9/11 report implicating Saudi Arabia in the 9/11 attacks?

This is not shocking at all. Most 9/11 hijackers were Saudi too.

Saudis attacked us on 9/11. In turn, the US attacked Afghanistan and then Iraq. Makes sense, not.

So, the saudies financed Al Qaida, and now they want the US to bomb Iran, which may threaten Saudi in the future. With friends like the Saudies, who needs enemies?

17 out of the 19, to be exact.

Ҧ3. (S) The Baku businessman is a UK-educated engineer from a
prominent Pre-Revolution Isfahan family, and formerly owned a
large factory in Iran. He is a former national fencing
champion of Iran. former President of the Iran Fencing
Association, and Vice-President of an Azerbaijan sports
association. He has been based in Baku for more than ten
years, working primarily as a sub-contractor to BP and the
Cape Industrial Services company. While his oil services
company includes an insulation division that may be in
competition with INSULTEC, source has provided “inside”
information on many other Iranian issues (including
comprehensive data on the status of new Iranian oil refinery
construction) that does not relate to his private interests
in any way.

¶4. (S) Note: A quick google check revealed several companies
with the name INSULTEC in the title – these may or not be
affiliated. Based on the information provided by source
(currently in Iran, where he frequently travels), one
possible candidate could be “INSULTEC Chitral Ltd.” End
Note.

http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/03/09BAKU179.html

This is proof that this leak puts intelligence sources in danger. If you support Julian Assange then tell him to do a better job redacting and censoring his releases or don’t release at all. If intelligence sources at put at risk then it’s not worth it.

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How many of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudi nationals.

I rest my case.

Right off of the old bush family tree. Oligarchy at it best.

It’s called “juggling facts” to fit the crimes or create propaganda. The U.S. is reigning champion. Just ask Assange….

I just get that one more time for old times sake tingle when I think about the Bush Family and the Saudi Family. Have to admit I’m wondering how this is going to get incorporated into the 9/11 theories.

So that’s why Bush blacked our all references to Saudi Arabia in the 9/11 report. But then I think most of us suspected this all along.

It was 15.

I stand corrected.

The hijackers were said to be Saudi, however, 7 of them were confirmed alive :

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/hijackers.html?q=hijackers.html

Hopefully this unravels the official government fairy tale re: 911. They can’t have both ways – saying Saudi nationals attacked us in suicide missions but yet are somehow confirmed alive.

We remember that on 9/11 with all air traffic halted and restricted that the Saudi family took off in flight from I believe it was colorado?

The problem with these cables is the people writing them don’t know what they are talking about. It doesn’t mean that Saudi Arabia is financing Al Queda anyway. Elements, individual may be financing Sunnis, but Sunnis are not Al Queda.

These cables are going to cause a lot of confusion because the people who write them are the people in the government and they don’t understand anything anyway. The intelligence agencies writing them don’t know what’s going on…they are the ones who claimed WMD in Iraq and now they are claiming this?

Al Queda doesn’t even exist. It’s an invention of the American intelligence agencies and it becomes so constant that the intelligence agencies eventually begin to believe their own propaganda.

These cables were written by stupid people in the stupid government of the United States which is pursuing two stupid wars for no logical reason which everyone acknowledges were based on lies.

The 9/11 monsters were Saudi’s and that is why we bombed Iraq. Of course it’s true and why wouldn’t it be? My goodness one of the Bush family’s best friend is Bandar Bush, named for the closeness. They have been in bed with the Saudi’s since the 60′s. They hold hands, they kiss. My god the only thing they have not done is give birth to a Bush.

Nobody really knows the answer to that. No one knows who the hijackers were. That’s not my opinion, that’s a fact. There is no factual information available. You have to look into it deeper.

Oh really? You’re right about Al Queda being a fabrication but 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers were Saudi and it appears that the Royal Family funded the operation…

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The danger is with the “intelligence” sources who generally haven’t a clue, gum everything up and cause a lot of death. Remember WMD?

Yeah, this is news…to the uninformed maybe.

http://www.juancole.com/2005/08/fisking-war-on-terror-once-upon-time.html

Shocking cable: Penguins found in Antartica.

Um, Professor Khan, it’s not citizens but Saudi royalty who finance and aid al-Qaeda. This is well-documented.

In fact, one knows that it’s also Saudi and Paki official policy to support their militants, which should raise only one question: why are Pakistan and Saudi Arabia US allies? Or to put it another way, why has the US been allied with Saudi Arabia and Pakistan for their entire histories as nations.

Waiting for Officer Roaddog and Plissken to come along and tell us nothing to see and move along please.

With all it’s demonizing of Iran, it’s become pretty obvious that WikiLeaks is a Mossad operation…

GORDON DUFF: WIKILEAKS, A TOUCH OF ASSANGE AND THE STENCH OF AIPAC
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/11/27/gordon-duff-wikileak-predictions-sticking-my-neck-out-2/

The cable is saying the Saudi’s finance Sunnis…meaning Sunnis in Iraq who are resisting the Americans….there is no Al Queda…not really. General Petraues says there are 60 Al Queda in Afghanistan…not that he would know…but you can see everybody is saying different things because nobody in America understands hardly anything….and now you guys are being seduced into thinking Saudi Arabia finances Al Queda….I don’t think the two ever had much in common. Saudi Arabia has a very conservative government that is generally allied with Israel, is against the kind of “terrorism” America and Israel claim they are against.

You have succeeded in getting everything mixed up because the people writing the cables are mixed up. They don’t know anymore than anyone else.

I can’t believe you have the intelligence to articulate your opinions and are unaware that the Saudis sponsored al-Qaeda (aka bin Laden and the mujahadeen, who are identical with al-Qaeda) at the behest of official US policy during the controversial Reagan years. This is not in doubt. Moreover, bin Laden was always an asset of the Pakistan/US and I wonder why anyone believes he went rogue when he allegedly sponsored 9/11.

Knowing all this we just sold the Saudis $60 billion dollars worth of military hardware ( and gave Israel several F -15s FREE ) and were dogging it out in pursuit of Al Queda in Afghanistan.

Is this “alien strategy” or is someone on Avatar plaing us Americans for dupes?

Because a successful war on terror needs successful terrorists, and a bunch of goatherds from the hills cant do a whole hell of alot without financial backing.

Elements in Pakistan seem more likely than Saudi Arabia to have been involved in the vaunted 911 which people need to start putting in perspective. It just isn’t that monumental, I’m sorry.

There is no factual evidence. Just passports, many of which were stolen. Look into it deeper.

Intelligence sources aren’t the ones who are supposed to have a clue. The ones who are supposed to have a clue are intelligence officers and analysts. Intelligence sources don’t cause death, because you aren’t supposed to trust a source.

Now if it comes from multiple reliable sources, and your analysts agree, then you have something.The WMD thing was from a shady source not reliable source.

But … I thought S.A. was a “beacon of democracy”

Neocons: Is this WRONG ?

Saudi Arabia is to Al Quaeda, as the FBI is to disaffected, naturalized, Muslim youth.

They sponsor al-Queda with the money we give them.

Show of hands, please. Who is REALLY surprised by this? Good God, do you HAVE to be in gov’t in order to not see the glaringly obvious right in front of your face 15 of 19 of the 9-11 guys were Saudis, NONE were Afghani or Iraqi, and yet we attack them instead of going after the REAL problem. But that is where we get our oil, so we can’t possibly do anything about them.

If we had been listening to Jimmy Carter instead of Ronald Reagan, this country would be energy independent by now, and we wouldn’t even have to deal with the Saudis, the Iraqis, the Afghans or anyone else. We wouldn’t need the foreign oil to keep this house of cards standing, we would be on a solid platform of our own building.

To everyone who voted for the Alzheimer’s president, let me just say once again “Thanks alot, you brain dead morons. This is all YOUR doing, you myopic idiots.”

Shorter Saudi: We will keep funding insurgents until you cut the head off the snake [attack Iran]

I thought it was common knowledge that the Saudi’s were a key source of funding for a–Queda. The Wahhabi sect of Islam that al-Queda subscribes to originated in Saudi Arabia. We (American and European consumers) pay big money to Saudi Arabia for oil and they in turn fund terrorists and murderers to attack us.

Please tell me something I don’t know… 15 of 19 hijackers? Just what I said yesterday when the cable came out about Saudi Arabia wanting us to attack Iran – maybe we should be attacking Saudi Arabia… we need the oil anyway!

WOW, can I hear a resounding DUH! This has been well known for some time as the tools involved in 9/11 were of SAUDI descent. This is pretty much a given. Quit sending tax monies to these countries that aren’t having our best interests but do nothing than play both sides. Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emigrants, NO MORE MONEY, if these countries have money hand over fist from their oil for GOD’S sake, why do we need to give them more?

Include multi-national oil companies under the label “Saudi”.

Saudi Arabia has no reason to contain its filthy rich people from donating to terrorist organizations. All that matters is that the Saudi government is not involved. You have Saudi Arabia screaming to have Iran attacked, but yet don’t give a rip about Al Qaeda.

OOOHHHH what fucking shock!!!!!!!!!

Bin Laden was not a part of the Saudi government. So when you say he “sponsored” Al Queda you are talking about an individual person. There are Americans who sponsor the destruction of Israel, the destruction of Palestine….at both ends of the spectrum. Bin Laden was not a representative of the government of Saudi Arabia which generally speaking is supportive of U.S. war plans. Bin Laden moved from Saudi Arabia and said the government of Saudi Arabia was his enemy.

Bin Laden is not an asset of Pakistan. He denied having anything to do with 911 at first, then when it worked in his favor he claimed responsibility for it.

There is no proof according to U.S. “intelligence” (not that this meanings anything) to connect Bin Laden to 911. That’s been reported in the press, they don’t have an arrest warrant out for him.

Most of the info you got on 911 is from torture and allegedly from stolen passports.

“This has been well known for some time…”
Yeah, but now its official.

It is for the benefit of the uninformed that Wikileaks is doing this. That’s the whole point.

Yes, the Bin Ladens, in fact.

If you are a Saudi national, you are either an indentured servant or you are royalty. It ain’t the slaves financing AQ.

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And this is a surprise how…?

Saudi Arabia practices a two-tiered justice system, similar to that in the US. Saudi wealthy families can foment violence by contributing to violent terrorist factions, yet are not subjected to their own domestic social controls or international treaties. Further, we know that “al Qaeda” was and likely is created and financed by the CIA beginning in the ’70s and ’80s, and proved to be a useful tool in expanding US influence in parts of the globe that are rich in energy production and related resources.

Al Qaeda is very helpful in providing justification for the US military to provide a front operation for US-connected petroleum companies to make billions in profits. Al Qaeda is a perfect foil, and it would make perfect economic sense for their operation to be fully financed by oil and energy interests, either through intelligence services or through private donors. The chaos created through terrorist activities provides the biggest bang for the buck when the gullible masses fear for their safety and give up on critical thinking with regard to their government’s activities while they only get their information from corporations that are heavily invested in the security, energy, and defense industries. The chaos provided “justification” for a US invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, where there’s plenty of money to be made for corporations positioned to move in after significant areas are cleared by the big guns of the US.

The Saudis want more oil reserves because they know that they’re running out. They have no problem with financing any group that will increase the probability that their oil companies can share in the loot of foreign conquest. They play a shell game with international laws domestic laws, looking the other way when plots are concocted to create more chaos, and they do it in collusion with US intelligence services.

Anyone who didn’t already know this please hold up your hand .This has been well known since the 911 attacks . Remember those , where the attackers were 15 Saudis out of 19 total , who were led and financed by a Saudi . So we’re now just figuring out the Saudis had something to do with it ?

HOW is this ‘shocking’. Michael Moore had all the evidence on this for Farhrenheit 9/11 years ago.

Please remember that as many as NINE of the 9/11 hijackers whose photographs were posted by the FBI on the EVENING of 9/11 somehow survived the attacks. That was because they were NOT on the planes. That’s why the FBI director is on the public record stating that the FBI cannot positively identify ANY of the hijackers. As a starting point, we can assume that there is a lot about the 9/11 events about which we do not know. We can also give pause to wonder why the accepted 9/11 narrative necessarily includes the citation of “19 hijackers of Saudi origin” as confirmed fact, when it is not.

That is not shocking, just like most of the wikileaks. The leaks are news, the content of them is not. Wow, diplomats keep secrets and speak candidly behind closed doors about their counterparts. What a scoop!

That’s an answer that any systems thinker can like.

How do you know that they haven’t?

Shocking? wtf? The funding of extremist Sunni groups is built into the Saudi’s politics and culture, both currently and historically from the very start of the only nation named for a clan. Wahabists? Hello?

Oh wait, and most of the 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia…. hmmmmmmmmmmmm. 9/11 was an inside/outside job.,

Raw Story’s headline says it’s “shocking” that Saudi Arabia is financing al-Qaeda. But this is old news.

It’s about the dollars and the oil staying in the same bed . We attacked Iraq when they started to demand payment for their oil in euros instead of dollars . As long as the Saudis take our dollars for their oil , we won’t bomb them …….. what runs dry first , the ink or the oil ?

Aside from ideological and religious interests, the funding of off-shore terrorism which can do little permanent damage but can build a climate of fear and worry makes excellent business sense for interests that control the supply of vital scarce resources. It drives the price of the commodity up even as efforts to reduce demand grow. Saudi interests are served in the near term by maintaining a state of tension about terrorism because experience tells us that it will move the trading price higher – even in slack demand periods. You have to admire their thinking – which coincidentally lines up pretty well with the thinking of the petro-political leadership in Texas as well. The simplest answers are often the right ones – no matter how uncomfortable it is to admit it.

True, I also have worked for two cell companies as tier three tech support and I find it highly dubious that these people made calls from their cell phones that high up. Cell towers don’t readily broadcast signal straight up, it’s more like a blanket signal or an umbrella if you will. They didn’t start using “repeaters” on aircraft until after that.

So is Saudi Arabia funding AQ to attack the US, or is it funding AQ to pay for false-flag attacks that give the US an excuse to attack Saudi Arabia’s regional enemies and the US to clamp down at home?

wikileaks = zionist disinformation front!! remember mossad motto is by way of deception we shall wage war

would appreciate a ref if you have one the shows the hijackers were pakistanis and not saudis, but regardless of whether passports were forged or not, the current and historical funding by the saudis of extremist sunni elements is on a scale that dwarfs any other support.

would appreciate a ref if you have one the shows the hijackers were pakistanis and not saudis, but regardless of whether passports were forged or not, the current and historical funding by the saudis of extremist sunni elements is on a scale that dwarfs any other support.

Why are you deflecting so much from the Saudis? No big money comes out of Saudi Arabia without approval at the top, and they have historically and currently been pouring money into extremist Sunni elements. That’s how the Saud family gained power in the first place.

Shocking how? That this ia news Saudi contributions finance al Qaeda? or shocking because there was a cable? Everyone in the country knew Saudi Arabia was financing the terrorists but our government! That is what is shocking!

Not sure I follow your ‘connect the dots’ example. If you’re so concerned, why don’t you call for the US Intelligence to work with Wikileaks? Assange has begged them to, but they refuse. Are we quibbling about sources and not focusing on the larger picture here?

http://911truthnews.com/the-facts-speak-for-themselves/#fact14

Confirms my suspicions about why the GOP is so quick to LOVE the war on terror and to try to do Saudis bidding. I find it odd that during virtually every election season, Al Q ramps up and tries to get Democrats on the defensive. Obama’s administration has been way too effective to let this happen, but just recall all those B.L. tapes just in time….

“Charges that Saudi donors have provided material support for terrorist groups are not new”

Exactly . . . and reports contained in State Department cables don’t really provide the hard evidence the bank account statements do . . . and NSA has those . . .

Big whoop! Fifteen out of Nineteen 9-11 terrorists were Saudi in origin, along with bin Laden. We are backing the wrong horses in this region…..As is usual around the world….

Fifteen out of Nineteen 9-11 terrorists were Saudi in origin, along with bin Laden. We are backing the wrong horses in this region…..As is usual around the world….

“cable”…wtf?…this is 2010, not 1910…

http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=2346

You can read the dept. of defense cable showing 100,000 was sent to the alleged lead hijacker…this doesn’t make it true…it shows that this is what the U.S. Government said.

Sunnis who are fighting American forces in Iraq should not be considered “extremists”.

Since the USA entered Iraq on false pretenses and displaced, killed, imprisoned or injured by some estimates 30 to 40 percent of the population…you would have to call the Americans extremists and the Sunnis the people who are fighting the extremist invaders of their nation.

Saudi Arabia is largely a Sunni nation….and thus supports those who they imagine are of a similar persuasion.

Because the title here is Saudi Arabia financed Al Queda….Al Queda is the ENEMY of the government of Saudi Arabia. Bin Laden is the ENEMY of that government. He wants it overthrown.

How do you know how big money works in Saudi Arabia?

And how many people that did not already know this are going to pay anymore attention to this story beyond we need to declare WikiLeaks a terrorist organization and arrest Julian Assange for treason?

This part of the diplomatic cable release is NOT NEWS.

http://articles.cnn.com/2003-07-13/us/terrorism.report_1_bin-rugged-border-region-terrorist-network?_s=PM:US
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/LAW/10/17/saudis.lawsuit/index.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/world/middleeast/24saudi.html?_r=1

How do you spell “9-11 was an inside job?”

Is this why Saudi citizens don’t have to pass security checks at airports?

Oh geeze, isn’t this what the Isralies have been saying for decades, for get Iraq, the Saudis are Israels biggest problem
Big surprise!

It was not an inside job, it was a Saudi job.
We just helped by scheduling that Air Force “exercise” at the same time.

this is neews? read an extensive article on saudi financing of the islamic militants in covert action quarterly, best magazine in america before it was brought down by saboteurs in 1994, about this. unlike most ‘journalism’ CAQ would have half a page of text and the bottom half footnotes… should also be seen that bin laden was a long-time CIA asset and business partner of the US. i think it was 1991 that bin laden’s contracting firm got a $295mln deal to build a joint US-saudi airbase there.

of interest… on all news media on 911 it was reported that james baker, 30 year political and business counsel to the bush family and somewhat responsible for bush taking office in 2000… was having a breakfast business meeting with 12 members of the bin laden family. when the news of the attacks came, baker immediately had them all jetted back to saudi arabia, quote, “for their protection.” no questionings, no interrogation under torture for years in gitmo or rendition, mind you, for the bin laden family in hand!

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Saudi Arabia and the majority of the middle eastern countries got their economic power from oil- “petrodollars.” America imports a great portion of its oil from these countries, Saudi Arabia primarily. Every time you buy a tank of gas, you support these nations, in turn supporting their terrorist orgs through those “petrodollars”. Stop driving. Boycott the oil. Cut the demand, you reduce the cash flow to these terrorist orgs through their petrodollars. It is Americans’insatiable, greedy thirst for oil that put them in this place of power.

One of the weird things about 9/11 that I have never seen fully explained is the fact that the hijackers sent their unused money back to Saudi Arabia before the crime.

WTF is up with that? Doesn’t make any sense-creating a uneeded paper trail to return a small amount of money to the Middle East.

The last I heard of this story was that the Saudis wouldn’t cooperate on tracing the money after it hit their banking system.

ooo…big surprise there…at least it finally gets said out loud by a few MSM branches that feel obligated to mention it. The strict, ultra intense Wahhabi sect that dominates Saudi life is a breeding ground for extremism and always has been. The royal family coddles its millionaire maniacs and protects them from harm…and the US tolerates this to keep the oil flowing. We should have nuked that strip of desert into glowing glass a decade ago…not because of terrorism…just on general principle.

Shocking? Are you effing kidding? If you subscribe to and believe the “official” 9-11 findings, over 2/3 ‘s of the “hijackers” were Saudis! I for one don’t believe the “official’ story.

Well, we know from the recent feebs’ adventure (that would be the FBI), that al Qaeda-in-Corvallis was suponsored by America’s very own FBI.

Kinda like that situation last Christmas, when an intel type from the American embassy, circumvented the Europeans’ aviation security and whisked that young Nigerian through their customs when the Euros had stopped him.

They had stopped him as he fit the usual terrorist profile: no passport, no luggage, kept mumbling “jihad…jihad…jihad” and was wearing exploding underwear.

But for some very peculiar reason (now apparent with this recent FBI Christmas episode), the American embassy intel guy decided he should help him aboard?

WTF?

No, I think the Saudis and Israelis are the American citizens’ biggest problem.

Along with David Rockefeller, Peter G. Peterson, the Koch brothers and a few others.

And with Cheney’s and Rumsfeld’s forward positioning 97% of the intercepters in Alaska, Northern Canada and Greenland.

In the case of Pakistan and its ISI…it isn’t so much a personnel connection as it is a money transfer and material support connection. ISI had its fingers in the money wired to the US that funded the expenses for the hijackers…but when it came to examine all this for the 9/11 Commission report…those leads were never followed up….by then, Pakistan was already our unwilling ally…and there was nothing to gain from ripping them a new one. (That’s the way it was handled…not how I feel…I’d be okay with ripping them a new one…but I’d really rather say it with plutonium.)

In the case of Pakistan and its ISI…it isn’t so much a personnel connection as it is a money transfer and material support connection. ISI had its fingers in the money wired to the US that funded the expenses for the hijackers…but when it came to examine all this for the 9/11 Commission report…those leads were never followed up….by then, Pakistan was already our unwilling ally…and there was nothing to gain from ripping them a new one. (That’s the way it was handled…not how I feel…I’d be okay with ripping them a new one…but I’d really rather say it with plutonium.)

No one seems to remember that under the Reagan Administration the U.S. provided funding through Saudi Arabia to help defeat the Russians in Afghanistan. It was our governments intention to make Afghanistan Russia’s Vietnam. We worked closely with Pakistan on this project. Al Queda was the Arab vehicle used for this purpose. That is how Osama Bin Laden became a U.S. asset paid by the CIA. We have a long and inglorious history of being on the wrong side of history.

Saudi donors also are the financiers of the Terrorist News Network…Faux News.

Hey, a Saudi prince is a major shareholder of News Corp (second only to Rupert Murdoch), and News Corp owns Faux News, and Faux News terrorizes American citizens with lies and disinformation, leading to a whole lot of U.S. citizens believing in and reacting to falsehoods.

So, it shouldn’t come as any surprise that Saudi donors also are helping fund al Qaeda. These Saudi donors are arch-conservatives. Al Qaeda is arch-conservative. Faux News is arch-conservative. Saudi donors are funding any radical right-wing organization waging war against honesty, decency and the truth…so what else is new?

Saudi donors also are the financiers of the Terrorist News Network…Faux News.

Hey, a Saudi prince is a major shareholder of News Corp (second only to Rupert Murdoch), and News Corp owns Faux News, and Faux News terrorizes American citizens with lies and disinformation, leading to a whole lot of U.S. citizens believing in and reacting to falsehoods.

So, it shouldn’t come as any surprise that Saudi donors also are helping fund al Qaeda. These Saudi donors are arch-conservatives. Al Qaeda is arch-conservative. Faux News is arch-conservative. Saudi donors are funding any radical right-wing organization waging war against honesty, decency and the truth…so what else is new?

My big question is whether the name “bin Talal” will appear in those cables…. Considering that bin Talal’s wife has been linked with so-called Islamic charities who have in the past appeared on anti-Terrorism officials’ desks, it will be interesting to see what happens…

My big question is whether the name “bin Talal” will appear in those cables…. Considering that bin Talal’s wife has been linked with so-called Islamic charities who have in the past appeared on anti-Terrorism officials’ desks, it will be interesting to see what happens…

I dunno….at the site explaining the network these “cables” were copied from, they routinely use that term.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIPRNet

I dunno….at the site explaining the network these “cables” were copied from, they routinely use that term.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIPRNet

What’s truly shocking is that most Americans are unaware that it was the Carter directive which was the beginning of this entire godawful crap!

(Six months prior to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, then President Jimmy Carter signed a presidential directive to destabilize the secular government of Afghanistan. Elements within America, conspiring with elements within Saudi Arabia, relocated extremist Wahabist Islamic fundamentalists to the northern border Afghanistan shared with the Soviet Union. These religious extremists — prior to that there were only Sufi Islamics, a moderate bunch, living in that area — fomented religious revolution, precipitating the Soviet invasion. The USA would continue funding those Mujahadeen elements, who would go on to kill all remaining secularists in Afghanistan who hadn’t fled from the Soviet invasion, before ever engaging any of the Soviet military in battle.)

Ergo, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan and George Weasel Bush are those Westerners most reponsible for the spread of Sharia law in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan.

Scary, huh????

Le Nouvel Observateur, Paris, 15-21 January 1998, “The CIA’s Intervention in Afghanistan, Interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Jimmy Carter’s National Security Advisor”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html

What’s truly shocking is that most Americans are unaware that it was the Carter directive which was the beginning of this entire godawful crap!

(Six months prior to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, then President Jimmy Carter signed a presidential directive to destabilize the secular government of Afghanistan. Elements within America, conspiring with elements within Saudi Arabia, relocated extremist Wahabist Islamic fundamentalists to the northern border Afghanistan shared with the Soviet Union. These religious extremists — prior to that there were only Sufi Islamics, a moderate bunch, living in that area — fomented religious revolution, precipitating the Soviet invasion. The USA would continue funding those Mujahadeen elements, who would go on to kill all remaining secularists in Afghanistan who hadn’t fled from the Soviet invasion, before ever engaging any of the Soviet military in battle.)

Ergo, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan and George Weasel Bush are those Westerners most reponsible for the spread of Sharia law in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan.

Scary, huh????

Le Nouvel Observateur, Paris, 15-21 January 1998, “The CIA’s Intervention in Afghanistan, Interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Jimmy Carter’s National Security Advisor”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html

Evidently, many people to not remember that it was during the reagan administration that we decided that we should make Afghanistan Russia’s vietnam. At our behest SaudiArabia funded money to a group organized by Ben Laden called Al Queda which joined with the Taliban to drive out the Russians. We provided money, armaments, etc. to bring this about. That was why Ben Laden became a CIA asset. The relations between Laden and the Saudi family became strained when they permitted U.S. troops to be based there. It outraged Laden because of the importance of the mecca to the islamic faith. We do not really know the identity of the young men who flew the planes on 9/11. What we do know is that we have never been apprised of the truth.

Not exactly a surprise.

I certainly remember. But many of the hatred goes back to the 50′s and 60′s when the real owners of USA and Great Britain (corporations) decided to interfere with the lives of the people in the Middle East.

I’d like to know the source emkay18 is referring to.

The majority of the terrorist killed on 9/11 were indeed Saudis.

If it’s a deep dark secret then you just know it’s illegal and/or immoral.

This is one reason why I will never fly again.

Don’t forget that for the first time NORAD was shut down on 9/11.

Only because of their oil.

America go green.

No problem. I’m referring to the 9-11 Commission’s findings and all the media that reported that 14 or 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi Nationals.
And as I said,if one subscribes to & believes the reports & the findings, which I don’t, then one wouldn’t be shocked to learn that the Saudis finance Al Quaeda!

You can believe the Saudis have enjoyed the whole mess for years.

Al qaeda while misguided, are more honest than the Saudis.

I suggest the American people do a lot of research and you will discover that we caused a great deal of our problems thanks to Corporations, CIA and corporate owned politicians.

But now there is concrete proof. Makes me happy.

So prove your assertions.

Again you are assuming that the passengers made their calls when the planes were very high up. Where is your proof?

It was.

Fine, except the greedy politicians and corporations sold the Saudis up to date weapons that we have.

The best we can do is go green the whole world over.

Been sniffing?

From their “Official version” they released. Some of the family members came out and said they had caller ID voice mails on their machines stating it was from the loved ones lost that day. That is just what they claimed. They stated the msgs were to say the plane they were on was hijacked and they feared for their lives. Here is a doc proving this fact.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100613010014AA6bgUw

Time to start making some noise people to your elected officials to start telling the truth, possibly for the first time in their lives.

Another conspiracy theorist nut case.

Get some professional psychiatric help.

Saudis and Zionists! Dick Cheney and his PNAC club should all be waterboarded!

Thanks, and agree, they support Sunnis all over. They also pay for insane madrassas and any Sunni group that does classify as extremist/Wahabbist.

No surprise here either. No one from Afghanistan or Iraq was involved in 9-11. Terrorism is the #2 export from Saudi Arabia, after oil.

No surprise here either. No one from Afghanistan or Iraq was involved in 9-11. Terrorism is the #2 export from Saudi Arabia, after oil.

No shit, skippy. We should have invaded Saudi Arabia and destroyed Mecca & Medina.

No shit, skippy. We should have invaded Saudi Arabia and destroyed Mecca & Medina.

Interesting article, shows Brzezinski to be a dick. Although “Brzezinski himself has denied the accuracy of the interview.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

But, there is nothing about only Sufi’s in the area before Carter? Also, I’m pretty sure what Carter did was a drop in the bucket (started with only 6mos left in presidency) compared to what came later. I wouldn’t put Carter in league with Reagan and W in that regard, No way.

Fritz, how could any of this new information support Israeli interests? As far as I can tell it is all damaging to establishment interests…

Everything about Wahabbisim/Sunni extremism has always been about overthrow of governments just like Saudi Arabia. But, as I understand it, b/c the Saudis prop them up, so they get left alone.

I’m pretty sure the Saudis will finance anyone, anywhere, and at any time if it suits there interests. I’m really not sure about this cable or what the latest stuff is, only that they have financed them in the past…

Would we be friends with the Saudi’s at all if it weren’t for oil and Bushco?

It’s like someone slaps the back of your head and there are a few people and the guy catches the weakest one and beats the shit outta him just to pass the message “Don’t fuck with me if it was you this is what’s gonna happen to you”.

“But it also goes on to lay out claims that individuals in Saudi Arabia have underwritten Iraqi insurgents.”

Well, at least that explains why we went there in the first place…now then, who wants to play connect the dots between the Saudis and Afghanistan?

probably just a throwback term…if you think about it it doesn’t make sense anymore…telegram, cablegram…obsolete terms…

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Sara E. hit it out of the Park! To stop the madness: Leave the Middle East & other parts and let the “occupied” Nations alone to tend to their “Natural Resources” we think belongs to A-merry-ca! Get real with Israel n Palestine & be done with this my “wookie” is bigger than your “wookie” moron crap!

You know, I think you are referring to the National Reconnaissance Office, which conveniently had an exercise during that timeframe which left their operations center unmanned — necessary to manually task those geostationary spy sats to start taking pix of the airspace above the WTC and the Pentagon on that day.

Don’t recall anything about NORAD being offline, though…..

Someone who would know quite a bit about NRO’s operations should have been Stephen Friedman, who was on Bush’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, had been affiliated, of and on with Goldman Sachs, had a lengthy history on serving on a bunch of political/intelligence community panels, including the important one on the future of the NRO, the Jeremiah Panel (if memory serves) and on that day of 9/11/01, Friedman was a senior principal at Marsh & Mclennan.

Quite the CV, that one……

No, it is about following the money: using AQ as cutouts to transfer funds outside of the US to establish the wealth of offshore hedge funds, which grew dramatically in 2002.

Crash the economy, then pick up everything at bargain basement values. Worked for a number of people, simply a different modus operandi: Prohibition (1920-1933), then pick up the pieces at bargain prices.

$2.3 trillion missing from Pentagon as announced on 9/10/01, billions missing from US government agencies during the ’90s; $8.7 billion unaccounted for Iraqi reconstruction funds, and now $17.7 billion in unaccounted funds in Afghanistan.

America….what a country!

I agree, a different league but, and I say this as a former campaign worker for Carter’s 1976 presidential campaign and an authentic democrat and progressive (something too many falsely proclaim themselves to be today), Carter was the one who began the deregulation of America, beginning with the airlines and trucking industry.

It was during his administration that — and this was a democrats’ move, BTW, unfortunately — jobs considered sensitive as they were in the defense industry, were removed from their restrictive category and allowed to be offshored, setting the stage for Jack Welsh’s (CEO of GE) infamous and colossal offshoring of those engineering, technical and manufacturing jobs around 1985.

No, Carter was definitely David Rockefeller’s boy, as Brzezinski was affiliated with Kissinger, and neither was guiltless. Carter just is embraced now because he went off the reservation when he began behaving like the engineer he was in moving away from foreign oil dependency, and towards solar energy and sustainable sources.

But I wouldn’t confer sainthood on any of them…..

how ’bout: two airplanes crashing into two skyscrapers on 9/11 was a saudi job (with some curious collaboration with other parties), but the collapse of those two skyscrapers, plus one more skyscraper (building what?) straight down into their own footprints at near free-fall acceleration with micro-particles of super-explosive thermite in the resulting dust cloud was an inside job? that pretty much works for me. : )

Oh, I totally agree. I’m just saying if we were to attack someone, it should be Saudi Arabia… Israel is a close second – of course I know I’m going to get some crap from idiots for saying that.

Not shocking. We’ve known it for decades. bu$h’s lover, Bandar bu$h, funds those who attack us, bu$h invades the wrong country, Bandar bu$h visits the pretend ranch at Crawford, 5000 GIs die, we lose $3 trillion in a bullshit war…and what’s anyone gonna do about it?

If it wasn’t for oil Saudi Arabia would be a quaint country of tribal nomads living in tents.

I’m sure Saudi persons have provided financial support and safe abode to a much greater amount than Saddam ever had. But the Saudis are our “allies” were-as Saddam was “the bad guy” for reasons the American public would not want to go to war over.

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This is starting to feel like the ending of the Wizard of Oz when Toto pulls back the curtain and everyone see the great Wizard Oz is really just a decrepit old man.

I think it would be fun to find out that Saudi Prince Allawi’s money made it’s way to Al Qaeda, and how FOX would handle that…….

You people don’t pay attention to Raw Story posts: Al Qaeda is a fraud which does not exist. Saudis are really Mossad and they did 911. Pay attention.

The… cables also reveal that even now the main financiers of al Qaeda are Saudi donors,” Khan writes. “American presidents George W. Bush and Barack H. Obama have identified al Qaeda as the biggest threat to the U.S., and yet they collude with the nation whose citizens are its biggest financiers.

Iraq wasn’t a member of OPEC, because of that the oil in Iraq created competition as Iraq would sell their oil for less than OPEC causing OPEC to lower their prices. With Iraq destroyed this allowed the oil companies including the Saudis to gouge.

Bush Jr lied to this nation about Iraq knowing all along that the Saudis supported the 911 attack. In case anyone doesn’t remember when investigators wanted to question the Saudis in the United States, Bush Jr killed the opportunity for the U.S to gain information by allowing the Saudis to have a special flight out of the nation before our investigators could question the Saudis.

Also Bush Jr said he didn’t care if Osama Bin Laden was never captured after Bush Jr got his lie about Iraq through.

The Saudis aren’t just writing the checks. They have consistently been the ones pulling the trigger, as well:

http://www.asecondlookatthesaudis.com

The Saudis aren’t just writing the checks. They have consistently been the ones pulling the trigger, as well:

http://www.asecondlookatthesaudis.com

And Bush had the Saudis flown out of the U.S. immediately after 9/11 while all other air traffic was grounded.

If anyone here is old enough to have read or even heard of a book on the oil industry called “The Seven Sisters” (1975) by Anthony Sampson they might remember that Sampson’s argument was that from the inception of Israel a deal was struck within the U.S. Government to split the two countries Saudi Arabia who the U.S. depended on so heavily for oil and Israel with who we always claimed a “special relationship.” The State Department basically decided on a two tier solution to the problem, business interests at state would take care of Saudi concerns while the state department proper would be in charge of the relationship with Israel and for the most part these people would not communicate much with each other. According to the Sampson the U.S. hoped through this fragmentation to keep both parties happy. And for the most part this split has worked even though it has had to be juggled at times. But this is a set of conditions that evidently all parties are comfortable with! Certainly with both Israel and the Saudi’s calling on America to attack Iran it appears that the two kingdoms, share some common interests which in itself should probably alarm the fundamentalists in both countries!

“The admission is stunning” only to the willfully ignorant.

not true

That is putting too fine a point on it, but Al Qaeda has performed acts that benefit the Saudi Elites (remember the flights out of the US), Israeli Hawks (remember the Dancing Mossad agents), the neocons (PNAC), and the old school US Hawks like Cheney/Brzezinski/CFR types who without a Long War have no raisson d’etre.

What’s shocking about this information, and exactly who is shocked? Everyone else knows that Al Queda is financed by the Saudi Kingdom, except the people who are supposed to know. All 911 hijackers were Saudis. Guess that this also is news to the powers that be or the powers that used to be.

Since when is it a crime for the Saudi’s to fund a CIA operation?

More on our wonderful friends and allies in the War on Terror:

http://www.asecondlookatthesaudis.com

911 was an inside job!

US petrol dollars were used, that’s for sure. blowing up buildings is
expensive

The same 9-11 Commission Report book overseen by Bush inside man Philip Zelicow that is the official government 9-11 cover-up version? The same 700 page document that left out the 6.5 second implosion collapse of 47 story World Trade Tower Building #7 that wasn’t hit by a plane and fell 7 1/2 hours later? Go ahead, keep trusting the super wealthy U.S. ruling class, their puppet leaders, the CIA, the corporate mass media owned by 7 corporations. They (5%ers) have enjoyed control of most aspects of U.S. life for decades now, and a few decided to make the move to increase their reach legally and illegally in the name false flag 9-11 attack. A terrorist attack carried out on a few carefully targeted buildings to whip the American people using their mass media tool and Bush Administration puppets turn Obama puppets..

The American people or voters control almost nothing because US elections are a put on. Most elections (over 65% in the next major election) use riggable electronic voting machines that cannot produce a paper ballot trail and flip votes at the point of voting or tabulation on a remote computer using a program that eats itself undetected. So there is no transparency because you can’t prove who wins since there is nothing to count. The main candidates represent the super rich so you would be voting for their man even if your vote counted which it doesn’t.

Eliminate the unnecessary corporate financing of elections of the people and abolish electronic voting machines, and maybe the American people can start to have leverage in a government that was suppose to be a consent of the people.

Take away the Fed. The Federal Reserve Bank is run by a group of secretive bankers and is not a government entity that can be controlled or audited. he US government must re-assume this responsibility eventually because these secretive people control the US economy and big super wealthy multi-national bankers are controlling this country. NOT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

This is not news. Saudis are the snake as Mr. Khan writes.

Do you use aluminum foil, or tin foil, when lining your hat?

Everyone knows al-Qaeda is the CIA. The Saudis are just willing patsies, doing their money laundering for them.

It would be nice to cut off the fundng, but there always will be religious extremists (among Muslims, Christians, and Jews) who will funnel money to militants. From a strategic point of view, whose dollars Al Qaeda gets is not very important, because the types of operations they run (bombings) don’t cost much.
Here’s the dirty little secret: Al Qaeda isn’t much of a threat any more, because we have better airport security, better methods to detect plots before they get to the airport (including a great deal of help from within the Muslim community). We’re busy dropping Predator drones on villages for no useful purpose – leave the problems of Pakistan and Afghanistan to the natives, and save a few hundred billion dollars a year.

Sure, kill a few million innocent people, that’ll keep the rest of the Middle East calm and the oil flowing. Same logic that said if we invade Iraq, it’ll show the rest of the region we aren’t to be messed with, and the people would greet us as liberators.

He’s right, and you are incredibly naive and uninformed if you can’t see the truth of this country and its government. Go shove your head back in the sand, troll.

Including flying out members of the bin Laden family.

This document dump should be damaging to Israeli interests as well, but so far, it’s damaging to every US ally except Israel. Where are the cables to Israel? If Wikileaks was not a zionist front, they would be there.

Cute! Hand in hand, Pregnant with George’s child. No Child Left Behind. I want to see them both on Dancing With The Stars! Make sure you Thank WikiLeaks for the Reality Show!

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But but but…that’s not what it said in the official “9/11 Omission Report”!

http://home.comcast.net/~gold9472/goldcolmes11292010.mp3

The CIA just funnels their money through them.

All of this Saudi script is just propaganda used to prop up the official story.

Old news is old.

It would be wise to point out that any religious extremist who supports killing as a path to some “pure” state is actually defying the founding principles of his/her faith which is ultimately rooted in love.

There is a positive way to read the data visualization graphs on the number of memos on each subject. For example, militarism is fourth and ninth in the number of total messages sent. This means that we are more interested in creating diplomatic relationships rather than advancing military objectives. If the leaks provoke a discussion of foreign policy, they could end up being a deterrent to war, always a good thing.

Great assessment. I’ve always seen Carter as a CFR plucked duck of a president. This isn’t the exception, of course, it’s the rule. The current CEO is fulfilling the same mandate, not of the people, but of these institutions. It’s not hard to predict a GOP win after Dem inaction and stagnation. It’s also not hard to predict or preselect a Dem to take over and pick up after the destruction of the prior idiot. The pendulum though, only swings in one direction, never crossing the center, so that with each sucessive swing to the right, and return to center, we find ourselves here, in a fascist police state. Carter fulfilled his task list, and only at the end did he see beyond the bend to what those actions were to precipitate. His actions ever since, as a private citizen, seem to ask forgiveness and redemption. I wish he would speak to it, while his health and mind are not in question. Our current CEO is identical in his positioning, although he is much more right wing (pendulum).

Muqtedar Khan is someone who I have interacted with on and off for over 10 years and its clear as day that he suffers from a deep inferiority complex regarding his position as an American immigrant which causes him to go overboard on all issues relating to his original identity. He goes overboard by often assuming the same positions as the most hardline neocons and rightwing nut jobs in his adopted homeland, despite the fact that those very people whom he aspires to keep company with would rather have him move back to where he came from.

Re: Saudi funding of Al Qaeda…lets keep in mind that this is supposed to be communication between US officials and this is where it gets suspect. US officials know very well that Al Qaeda only exists because they say it does so the Saudis couldn’t be funding something that doesn’t exist. The other thing is, Saudi’s are famous for being cowards who enjoy the good life at home and would rather pay someone else to go and fight rather than go themselves while this story says that lots of Saudis went to fight in Iraq and elsewhere. If Saudi Arabia had so many fighters…you think they would have needed to beg the US to fight Iran for them? Or to have foreign soldiers fight every battle their country has ever fought since its foundation? I mean, Saudi Arabia even has foreigners handle major hijacking situations in their country. So the idea of Saudis going in droves to any country to fight battles is pure fantasy. Something isn’t right with this story and Muqtedar Khan just adds more stink to it.

if you need these leaked documents to know this you haven’t been paying attention

(Quote)Saudi donors are chief financiers of al Qaeda(Quote)

NO! Really?! You’re kidding me right? Not our beloved Saudi allies. Not the people George Bush holds hands with and are considered part of his family. This can’t be true…say it ain’t so!

snark!

Haven’t we known about Saudi ties to Al Qaeda since before 9/11/01? I remember videos of Saudi Sheiks visiting Al Qaeda members for their equivalent of a “fund raiser” dinner.
This is news only because the government has not confirmed those ties before.

No kidding? Is that why the FBI let all the Saudi Royals out of the country after 911? Is that why the FBI followed the money that financed 911 and stopped cold? Do you think the Saudi’s financed 911?

not only held hands, they kissed

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.blatantworld.com/doc_pics/bush_and_abdullah.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.blatantworld.com/documentary/house_of_saud.html&usg=__oOpxZSgA4kn60io4IjeAQuubFnQ=&h=333&w=400&sz=52&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=j_d2NyQbJ_T7LM:&tbnh=144&tbnw=187&prev=/images%3Fq%3DKing%2BAbdullah%2BGeorge%2BBush%2Bkiss%2B2007%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1R2ADRA_enUS340%26biw%3D1192%26bih%3D763%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=137&vpy=81&dur=4204&hovh=205&hovw=246&tx=113&ty=230&ei=Tjb1TIiMOtH-nAfKodi8Bw&oei=Tjb1TIiMOtH-nAfKodi8Bw&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=22&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0

Didn’t the money for Al Queda get funneled through charities financed by Prince Abdullah’s wife. The same guy smoking cigars in a hotel room watching the buildings fall with “Poppy” Bush on 911? Didn’t MI6 and our CIA start Al Queda during the Russian occupation? Didn’t they create Al Queda? Isn’t the Bin Laden family, their construction companies, one of the biggest assets of our intelligence community in the Middle East?

Osama bin Laden is/was a multimillionaire and he is Saudi, so, yeah, duh, al Queda is financed by at least one Saudi.

Most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi. So we attack Afghanistan and Iraq. Made sense to Chaney & friends.

This is why Cheney wanted to ruin Valerie Plame. She knew this. It was her job to know it. Cheney is a tool of the Carlyle group, owned in large part by Saudis. Bush Senior went to work for Carlyle as a figure head. Cheney was acting in his own interests and against the interests of the United States.

I will throw this out as a talking point. I do NOT advocate this. Here goes:

Nuke Mecca and Medina. The Saudi regime’s only legitimacy comes as “protectors of the Holy Places”. With no holy places left to protect, who needs the Saudi royals?

Unfortunately, it’s likely that Jerusalem would be nuked in retaliation, and then a few other places will likely be vaporized, and the situation will get REALLY ugly. Gosh, there are actually worse possibilities than putting up with Saudi treachery!

Here is another consideration, alluded to before: USA power structure doesn’t care that Saudis finance ‘terror’, is rather glad they do, because without ‘terrorists’, there’s no justification for huge USA military-security-intel budgets. The vast Military-Corporate Complex *needs* vile enemies so taxpayers can be drained ad infinitum. Bend over and smile, suckers.

“The optimist believes this is the best of all possible worlds.
“The pessimist fears that the optimist is correct.”

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You remember correctly. It may have been while the russians were still in Afghanistan, so we would have been pleased to have the Saudis give them money. Then we soiled the hallowed ground when we went to war in Kuwait, and this excited some Saudis, who they would say, struck back. They telegraphed their punch, but Bush was not interested, thus 9/11.

And, Cheney still is, when he is led out ofhis fire and brimstone bunker by daughter Lizzypoo.

And since the rethuglicans oil companies provide money to the Saudis… and we supply money to the oil companies……

Saudi Arabia, the American intelligence agencies, the big oil corporations, and the Military Industrial Complex all benefit by the existence of Al Qaeda.

Hmm… Excellent point. Quick Google search confirms it. (I really was asking for information here.)

Fishy, fishy: ~~In an email message, Josh Block writes that “one of the most interesting overall themes” in the stolen cables obtained by Wikileaks “is the restraint seen to typify the Israelis on Iran, in contrast to the typical Brzezinski, Scowcroft, Walt/Mearsheimer, Glenn Greenwald-Neo-prog, netroots claims Israel is trying to prod us to fight and bomb Iran for them.” Josh writes that “in the end, one of the most obvious takeaways from these Wikileaks [documents] is devastating to the whole Left/Realist narrative about Israeli manipulation. The Israelis come off as cool customers, while the Arabs are totally freaking out and literally demanding the US bomb [Iran].”~~ http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/11/027784.php

Israel cables summary here: “No damage” http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/israel/israel_no_damage_wikileaks

Ia) How do you know and (b) of course, bin Laden was “part of the Saudi government,” who do you think set him up on the Af-Pak border in the late 80s? Oh, but then you believe that the Saudis “cut ties with him,” right? LOL.

Also, I’m not surprised that you are not aware, or deny, that the Saudi government has worked at the behest of the US since their founding and the same thing goes for Pakistan. These 3 have always worked against the Shia and Iran, and the Saudi government is responsible for at least several attacks against the US, including 9/11. BTW, it’s incredible that you deny that bin Laden worked for Pakistan. It’s essentially public record that bin Laden worked for Pakistan and guess what, Musharaf when he was head of the ISI, was bin Laden’s personal handler.

12 guys with box cutter, 6 men able to perfom air moves that my uncle who’s a retired Col in the AirForce says “That is fkn bullsht ! no way a man with less than 100hrs fligh time could perform those damn moves in between high rises!” People & FOX NEWS reporter both saying “That was not a civilian plane” .. Oh but I’m the crazy one for saying this … the Media lies & is owned by the Governments of the world .. no truth is allowed

I have never heard or read that Bin Laden was part of the government of Saudi Arabia. So if you know that he was, please let me know. This would mean he held a position in the government, a formal postion. There can be no other definition to someone who is “part” of the government. They have to have an official title.

Bin Laden, it seems to me, is an independent operator. He may have worked WITH Pakistan, but not FOR Pakistan as an “asset”. And these words that you throw around like “asset” and “handler” are just jargon which imply a kind of puppetry. It’s the typical way Americans imagine the rest of the world operates…somebodies being “handled” or being made an “asset” by a higher, more intelligent power.

I have never heard that Musharraf was ever head of the ISI, and if he was not head of the ISI he could never have been Bin Laden’s “handler”.

I believe he has always been a soldier. General of the Army

Did it ever occur to you that they destroyed the tapes for several reasons

1). It showed a confession under torture.
2). The “confession” did not make any sense.

This is one of the ways we come to know what happened on 911 which is almost being as revered as the birth of Christ or the second coming. We come to know about it through tortured confessions.

Tortured confessions are simply the words of the torturer being repeated by the person being tortured.

It’s meaningless.

I found it interesting that the images of one of the “hijackers” (ATA) getting on to “THE PLANE” on 911 are not images of the hijacker getting on to a hijacked plane but rather a plane in Maine going to Boston which landed safely in Boston…he’s is then said to have boarded the hijacked plane in Boston… but there is no video of any kind showing any hijackers getting on hijacked planes….why not?

I really like the style of the website. I had a peek at your source code, hope you don’t mind, to check what theme you are using. Is it it a no cost theme or do I have to purchase it?

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I have found another explanation that makes sense to me:

“”" Web commenters have noted that the diplomatic cables now released reflect the USA’s political agenda, and there is even a substantial wedge of the blogosphere which suggests that Wikileaks are therefore a CIA front. This is nonsense. Of course the documents reflect the US view – they are official US government communications. What they show is something I witnessed personally, that diplomats as a class very seldom tell unpalatable truths to politicians, but rather report and reinforce what their masters want to hear, in the hope of receiving preferment.

There is therefore a huge amount about Iran’s putative nuclear arsenal and an exaggeration of Iran’s warhead delivery capability. But there is nothing about Israel’s massive nuclear arsenal. That is not because wikileaks have censored criticism of Israel. It is because any US diplomat who made an honest and open assessment of Israeli crimes would very quickly be an unemployed ex-diplomat.”"”

sauce: http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22278
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2010/11/raise_a_glass_t.html

cheers mate

Good theory. You may be right, but, I would still expect to see at least a veiled criticism from time to time, when concealing Israeli duplicity would be just as damaging to a diplomats’ career as openly criticizing them would be.

With all the doggone snow we have gotten recently I am stuck indoors, fortunately there is the internet, thanks for giving me something to do. :)

I wonder if Saudi Arabia provides funding for terrorist Al-Qaeda because the U.S. owes Saudi Arabia money for the oil we get from them? Americans are dependent on oil right?

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