“change rules for victims of sex abuse”… What, a person just chimes up in line saying ‘I’m a sex abuse victim’ and then what happens? Everybody looks at you in disgust?

“change rules for victims of sex abuse”… What, a person just chimes up in line saying ‘I’m a sex abuse victim’ and then what happens? Everybody looks at you in disgust?

“How can experts working at the TSA be so incredibly misinformed and misguided to suggest that full body pat downs for children be portrayed as a game?”

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Indeed, how. Well, the answer is obvious. The priority is MONEY, not emotional well-being. The priority is MONEY, not the safety of children after they’re out of the airport. The priority is MONEY, not current knowledge about sexual predators.

MONEY. Follow the money at all times and you will find that it trumps everything at all times. Money. As in who pushed Rapiscan body scanners into our airports and who is making BILLIONS on them.

This is pathetic. I’m sorry, but we need to start profiling. It has to happen. We can’t keep pretending that every warm body that goes through the gate is equally likely to explode. This is just stupid.

How the hell did I not think this when it all started?

Then again, the fiddlers probably work for the TSA anyway.

It’s not really about stopping bombs, it’s to condition you into accepting state control like a slave.

I had my nephew of 4/5 try on a pair of pants in the store,,I then proceeded to straighten his pants,,pulled up the waist,,smoothed out his pant legs,and then he said,,”Don’t do that,,that’s child abuse”..
I was shocked and said I’m your Aunt and I’m just trying to see if the pants fit,,he said,,”no,,that’s wrong”…
Has anybody touched on the public humiliation of this for the children..
“Game is the word sexual predators use”.A well known documented fact,,so then the question is,,why is the TSA using this word?
Perhaps then to make us willing to be subjected to the Terra Hertz machine!
It is known and has been known since around 1994 that Terra Cotta Hertz, causing severe damage..

… This is wrong in so many ways . Our country has gone insane . These “pat-downs” aren’t about safety . They are about showing everyone who is in “control” . It’s all about the fear .

First the terrorists hit Wall Street to destroy our economy and the government’s actions helped to ensure our current economic situation. We were told that they attacked us because “they hate our freedoms” and the government moved to begin removing those as well. All the terrorists have to do is hit us once every ten years or so and watch us destroy ourselves.

It’s true. The government is using this to tear down the last remaining area of privacy, your own body. I will be damned if I will let someone put their hands on my genitlas when I haven’t done anything wrong. I also will not let them X-ray me. We have to stand up to this Orwellian bullshit, and now.

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Yes indeed,the world needs to profile Americans because of their lust for violence and mayhem.Since the end of WW2, you have slaughtered millions of people throughout the world. The terrorists have killed a few thousands, you have killed millions, the body count speaks for itself, you are a nation of self delusional paranoid pathological psychopaths who are afraid of their own shadows.

I wonder why the large caring minds at the TSA didn’t think about this minor trade-off. I knew it would occur. This isn’t rocket science. All you need is a Uniform or the guise of Official power, to molest adults. Children have zero control, in Adult to Child relations.

This just makes it easier. Sad, cause someone will tell me it’s to keep the children safe.

Lo, America used to be the land of the intellectually feeble and the physically over inflated, now the farce is complete, adding insult to injury, by becoming a gigantic mental institute….

I ain’t no shrink but I can believe that one. Won’t be long now till TSA starts recruiting among the ranks of the Catholic church. Actually, if they were all smart, they would sign a mutual cooperation agreement and get it all over with.

Think? Did you actually say think? Oh, the horror!

I cant for the life of me see how anyone can defend these pat-downs and screenings, not just for the child psychology part, or the infringement of human rights part, or the creepy nude pictures part, or the radiation you get, or the fact that it STILL doesnt seem to deter terrorists… of all the myriad ways the TSA sucks, I cant imagine why so many people back them up.

If everyone would just allow themselves to get radiation from Chertoffs machines then your kid would not have to have his balls fondled by someone. Get in step and march to the tune that is playing. Just look at how happy everyone is when they stay in step http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnZBgiZ3d8s

Before: Hey, little girl. Want some candy?
Now: I’m with the TSA.

We have taught our children to not let any adult touch them like this except for us and their pediatrician. The children of our Nation trust us by nature to teach them right from wrong and to respect themselves and others. It’s the bedrock of everything America stands for. But now the government expects us to make an exception for rent-a-cops (my apology to any TSA employees, but you are security personnel hired by a private corporation). This is a slippery slope I will not engage in. Once one exception is made in a child’s mind, the line begins to lose definition.

We’ve given them too much authority, and as an authority figure, TSA are the perfect role models for child molesters. When the creepy guy down the street says, “It’s okay, little Jimmy; I’m a TSA agent, just like at the airport”, or “Let’s play TSA”, there will be that much more confusion in the child’s mind.

This is wrong.

When the State deems that in the name of security it may give a private citizen (a security corporation and it’s employees) the legal right to violate my child in the name of commerce, we have taken a great step toward dismantling the very bedrock of our Nation. Once Liberty is allowed to be attacked in such a manner our Republic no longer stands as it once did, it has been brought to it’s knees by greed. And it is time for us, the true owners of our system of government, to take it away from those that would trade it for their own personal wealth.

You are fucking kidding me. The TSA are a bunch of nitwits, I am avoiding flying as much as humanly possible.

The harsh truth is yes… and worse thanthat is the self-loathing, fear and shame that Victims and Survivors feel if they have not been able to tell someone who is empathic enough to LISTEN and HEAR and allow the teller to speak fully.

They are imprisoned by their own feelings and the reactions of Society, which in large part refuses to understand the dynmaics of abuse and Power.

I know someone who’s in jail for ONCE doing exactly the same type of touching.

Can we please abolish this waste of time and money known as the TSA?

How many kids carry bombs? Asswipes.

I cancelled my plans to fly last holiday and drove the 5 hours… their loss. Next time I will just turn around and get my money back for my “non-refundable” tickets. Their loss again.

The chances of dying in a terrorist attack 1 – 25 million… getting hit by lightening 1 – 500,000.

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2010/01/odds_of_dying_in_terrorist_attack_on_airline_1_in_25_million_struck_by_lightning_1_in_500000.php

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2010/01/odds_of_dying_in_terrorist_attack_on_airline_1_in_25_million_struck_by_lightning_1_in_500000.php

this is absolutely insane. Why do parents put up with this? Do you want some stranger running his hands over your kids private parts? And then you take them home and tell them to make sure they tell you if someone touches them.

I think it’s just unbelievable. Absolutely unbelievable.

my country makes mistakes. but that doesn’t mean we need to put up with this jihadi crap.

Again-2 lines/planes. One the people get searched and the other no searches. Let’s see which has the longest line. And if we stop the searches there is NO finger pointing when something happens. And as far as the odds of dying in a terrorist attack–is that calculated with counter measures in mind or with doing nothing to contain them?

Indeed, the TSA is grooming us sheeple to further submit to the creeping fascism & impending police state that Drs. Ron & Rand Paul are warning us about!

Pistole is a liar and a perverted creep. He’s just loving the chance to live out his adolescent fantasies of looking through the clothes of every woman who was too smart and beautiful to waste her time talking to him. If he thinks “victims of sex abuse” is a small category of people, then that would explain his despicable lack of empathy for those of us who want to throw up just reading about these hideous invasions of people’s bodies.

Lol, what do you know about Jihad and Islam?. most of Americans had no idea what Islam meant prior to 9/11. the fear is only in your brain, you have been brainwashed to fear. Before the Muslims, you were told to hate and fear the commies. There is always someone to fear in the American psyche.

I am not even blaming you, despite the death & destruction you brought to humanity,I feel sorry for you and your people. You live in constant fear, your enemy is what defines you.Just like any other mediocre and uncivilized civilizations, you will fade away from actuality and remains as a dark chapter in collective history.

This is stupid.

Just change the policy so they tell the children the truth, there’s no fucking reason to treat security like Santa Claus.

This is exactly what these terrorist want!! They want us to live in fear and the TSA is pushing that fear on us!! This TSA crap has to go!! I fly on a weekly basis and thank god I live in a town where the airport is very small so we are not treated like common criminals everytime we fly out. Unfortunately I have to go through some bigger airports to come home and thats where I absolutely hate the experience!!! TSA agents are the most unfriendly ASSHOLES there are. I always say “Good Morning or Good Afternoon” everytime I approach them and rarely do they even say one god damn word to me. They act like they are fucking god! Part of me wants to strip down to my underwear and walk through the scanner. Whats the difference???? All I have to say is SCREW YOU TSA!!!! TSA= Totally Stupid Assholes!!

Why not portray it as it really is. An assault allowed by the government and their parents on their person. Period. Don’t sugar coat it. Just tell them that government agents are allowed to touch their gentials – just other people can’t. Get them used to it now as it will be the norm soon.

I will be in the line without the search and happy to sign a waiver as well that says if the plane goes down there is no liability for anyone. Bet my plane is not the one to go down.

P.S. See below at your chances of getting on a plane with will be attacked. Grow a pair doosmom and get over it. You are safe!

I need a little clairification here. Are victims of sexual crimes supposed to identify themselves when it’s their turn? Is there a separate line for victims? How do they distinguish victims and non-victims. What a ridiculous statement!

Where you been Devil….you biting commentary has been missed.

Oh for peets sake, I agree that the TSA is the biggest WASTE of an agency there is but this is ridiculous! Gimme a break!

Thank you, even the best among us need a rest….Sometime art imitates nature.Lol, that’s almost Epicurean. Not too bad for a Satanic figure :)

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Exactly.

oh SNAP!

Our prayers were answered.

We (my wife and I) were going to fly to see our daughter and grandson but then TSA (The Democratic Party NAZI organization) started humiliating the disable people in complete violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) so we decided not to fly as long as they use the full body scans that emit radiation (We both have problems with the thyroid gland and radiation affect us pretty bad with the dentist x-rays too) and the pat-downs (my wife has a titanium hip).

My daughter decided to drive and stayed with us for a week. We had so much fun, me and my grandson made everybody crazy. My wife says my grandson (11 years old) is a bad influence on me and my daughter says I am a bad influence on my grandson.

On Thanksgiving Day we thanked God for those special moments and ask for help for our Nation that is under a constant attach by NAZI/Satan forces. My daughter told me the highways were very congested apparently a lot of people are like us not flying any more.

Completely contrary to what we in the sexual abuse prevention field have been trying to accomplish for the past thirty years.

Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) totally violated after so many years trying to make the US a friendly nation to disable persons.

Flight is the safest way to travel, and has been for decades – and that is a FACT.

People who are fearful that their plane might go down should take a gander at the annual deaths in car accidents in the US. Should we stop driving? Should there be a DOT security agent in each person’s driveway, giving us the “go ahead” before we can drive?

TSA security is nothing more than theater, and body scanners are unconstitutional and necessary investments brought to you by The Chertoff Group.

“This policy is also incredibly insensitive to the countless victims who have already been traumatized by unwanted touching in their lives and could be re-traumatized by such pat-downs.”
Yes, and we will find that 3 out of 4 women have been sexually abused or molested, so that a lot of exemptions. As a victim of abuse myself, you will not see me having inappropriate touch in a TSA line.

Yes, to add to the trauma of being abused, you have to stand up in front of the whole line and proclaim. Maybe they’ll allow you to fill out a bunch of paperwork to document your abuse, and give you a card. This country’s ruling class has lost all compassion for real people.

My exact sentiments!

So, let the pedophiles start declaring they are government agents? NO! this has to be stopped now. I just emailed the White House and my Senators. I hope you will do the same.

Lol. More than you think. I know a lot about it that most Muslims would rather Westerners not know. I know about Muslim expansionism during the jihads in the seventh and eighth and eleventh through eighteenth centuries. I know how your so-called prophet decapitated 700 Jews who refused to convert and then sold their wives and children into slavery. I know about the Muslim Brotherhood and its plan to subvert the United States from within using our own freedoms against us. I know that your women-hating, homophobic travesty of a religion will be stopped from spreading its toxic message here and that eventually you will all go back to killing each other–something Muslims have excelled at for a millennium–over some arcane BS that happened 1500 years ago. I know you think we’re corrupt and decadent because we allow people here to make their own decisions about what to say, what to read, what to believe, how to dress, what to drink and who to f–k. And you want to know something else? You’re right. We are an extremely violent people who have laid waste to whole continents twice and turned nations into rubble just for getting on our bad side. And we will do it again to any delusional, brainwashed whack-jobs who try to tell us what to do. Believe that.

Have a look at this, This is what the ELITE has done to the people:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOshw4kIGR4

I am not afraid of flying—merely suggesting there be a choice for those who object to being searched. And Qortni, I suppose if the scanners were marketed by some Republican they would be OK? Quit the pettiness. That many of you have taken the bait put out by the libertarians is the real joke here. I venture to say none of you here are terrorism experts. And as far as car safety–it would be much worse if we were all still driving Corvairs and Pintos–darn those pesky government safety standards.

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Yes I am confident you learn a lot during the last 30 minutes, courtesy of Wikipedia,Lol
As to my so called ” prophet…..”. you are either, not paying much attention or willingly ignorant about who you are arguing with. I am an European chick and the last time I checked, I was totally lacking any religious beliefs….

I am not contesting your expertise on “delusional, brainwashed whack-jobs”, as a nation, you are the personification of all of the above..No one will ever argue about that with you. These are the attributes of American society and its legacy to contemporary history.

When are you planning to start the next religious-racial war against the satanic hordes of Mahometans?, Lol

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Like all police and military organizations, TSA’s primary mission is not to protect ordinary people, it is to keep ordinary people under the control of the oligarchs, just as in the Churches.

TSA, CIA, FBI, NSA, INS, SS, and the Pentagon will not restrain their prying and spying until all Americans have microchips implanted in their bodies, cameras in their bedrooms, and rings through their noses.

You think I am exaggerating, don’t you? Well, I am – about the superfluous nose rings. The rest will become self-evident within the next 25 years.

The TSA was created by the Bush administration in 2001.

Has your partisan ideology already wiped you memory clean of all events prior to January, 2009?

Ron and Rand would be better idols if they were not allied with the Republican and other corporate authoritarians who are imposing a plutocratic police state.

Talking and walking are two different activities.

My, aren’t you patronizing. You argued the case so strongly I guessed that you were born in Mecca. Instead, you put down the United States after it came to your rescue …twice. I guess ingratitude is all the rage. No matter. Soon enough you and other European dhimmis will learn firsthand the beauty of Allah’s message. Being an atheist you will be forced to submit to Islam or face severe discrimination, including the loss of all legal rights, which is what they do in Iran, or legal prosecution, the persecution of choice in Egypt. It never ceases to amaze me how educated, liberal, secular Westerners look for every opportunity to defend and apologize for a cultural gestalt that is antithetical to practically everything they stand for. European self-loathing is one reason you are destined to fall to the third jihad. Please, stop pro-creating now and get it over with.

Exactly, any populace that can be trained to routinely give up their ultimate privacy, that of their person, will do anything they are told. Any populace willing to hand over their children to be molested by the state, will sacrifice anything. Welcome to good Germans 2010. Tax and Jail the Rich party for 2012!

The chances of being sexually abused in your life just went up from one in seven (that seems low to me but it is official) to 100% for anybody flying within, into, through or out of the USA.

Questions:
When are they going to start checking luggage?

Why don’t they implement their useless “no-fly” lists?

Come to think of it I have a possible answer to that:

An excitable rebellious laddie had been named by his own father as potentially dangerous
just at the right moment in History when TSA and the scam/scan manufacturers (let me guess, Haliburton?) said we have this (slather, drool) new way of shaming the country and although congress said NO we are going to buy it and install it anyway, we just need an excuse.

That little overgrown teen’s perfect, just what we need.

Hide the no-fly list with his name on it, avoid giving him a body check, make sure he has the goods in his undies and we’ll expose him in the toilet.
That scenario will get everybody’s attention, so they will all know they are in danger.

They’ll be GRATEFUL to us for stealing their money, exposing them to personal shame and radiation or giving them a free kick.

With a bit of luck they’ll probably even shame-blame Obama for trying to stop us spending millions on the scanners, it is the best win-win-win in years.

The chances of being sexually abused in US airports just went up to 100%.

I would prefer the terrorist attack, please.

Don’t put up with this garbage! Boycott Flying COMPLETELY, until sanity returns! Please join us: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Boycott-Flying/126801010710392

http://politics.videosift.com/video/BBC-Admits-Al-Qaeda-Never-Existed

All of this was nothing more than an excuse to control you.

If you know all that you also know that the word “jihad” means “dedication” and can be applied to every effort made.

As in trying to improve your maths grade.

or trying to force little girls to give birth to incestual rape babies.

just two examples.

Jesus Christ, whose birth we are about to celebrate, was also called the Prince of Peace.

Nobody would guess that peace was the essence and entity of his teachings if all they looked at was the way “newsworthy” self-called “christians” behave.

I agree that the terrorists are a tacky advertisement for Islam.
They are also a tiny minority.

And before you attack their attitude towards women, just examine what the “pro-lifers” are doing.

. . . we allow people here to make their own decisions about what to say, what to read, what to believe, how to dress, what to drink . . . Really?

It reminds me of Henry Ford . . . you can have any colour you like, as long as you like black.

Peace to your soul.

They’ll “define” that when it suits them. Just like they “defined” terrorist activity to be things like “defending the constitution”, “supporting independant, libertarian, or tea-party candidates”, “Having political bumper stickers” — But here’s the big question — Aren’t WE the ones they where protecting? Now, suddenly we’re the potential terrorists? What a cock-and-bull story.
http://politics.videosift.com/video/BBC-Admits-Al-Qaeda-Never-Existed

http://politics.videosift.com/video/BBC-Admits-Al-Qaeda-Never-Existed

The TSA and DHS are the terrorists.
According to dictionary.com:
“ter·ror·ism –noun
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.”

Given that those organizations strike fear into the hearts of the citizens, and force us against our will to comply with their regulations, and may even use violence/force to gain compliance from us… I can’t see it any other way. “Submit or be afraid” is the message being clearly sent to us, quite well matches definition # 2. Perhaps we should charge the creators of these organizations/policies with treason under their own terrorism laws.

The political leaders no longer read letters. They have people who work in offices that receive the mail and reply to it with whatever response “seems appropriate”. Furthermore, the Department of Homeland Security in association with FUSION centers documents all the people who send such complaints to be further researched and are treated as a “potential threat”.

I have a daughter older than age 12 that I won’t let them touch. These people need to leave children alone.

Gee, how can it be inappropriate to grope the genitals of a child, after all we’re trying to make sure we have secure flights — no matter the cost. /sarc

Look, yes the TSA was created BY ACT OF CONGRESS, NOT BY GEORGE BUSH (that’s the way it worked in what used to be called a free country). that being said, I hated the TSA when it was created but that was because I hated being treated like a criminal to even have to pass security.

But an honest man would have to admit that it has gotten worse. The TSA did lots of stupid stuff before but it didn’t grope women and children’s crotches and tell us we have to put up with it. Obama has the power, and by the way the responsibility, to protect the people AND THE CONSTITUTION (by the way the oath he took is to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution.)

Shut down the TSA and start over with an intelligent security plan.

If you have ever studied guerrilla warfare, one of the goals is to force the government to “crack down” on the citizenry, to drive a wedge between the people and the government, to make the citizens distrust the government and thus leverage their forces. The goal of terrorism is no different

and then there is my friend whose kid was taken by the same government because she got caught smoking a joint….where is the justice?

“Come here, little boy, the nice priest wants to inspect you for concealed weapons. That’s right, pull down your pants.”

If you and all the other self-described constitutional conservatives had protested the Bush administration’s authoritarian practices with one-tenth of the noise and energy you have hurled at Obama, Obama would not now be in a position to expand upon the domestic surveillance, military tribunals, rendition, and other police state tactics that Bush initiated in the guise of “protecting the homeland” from foreign bogeymen. If you had protested the Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts appointments, corporations would not now have greater civil rights than human citizens.

Your criticisms of Obama’s disregard for the Constitution come so many years too late that they sound as insincere as they are ineffective. The corporate plutocracy you “conservatives” helped vote into power is now entrenched. Enjoy your victory and stop whining.

for those who have kids, watching this level of probing & groping is truly tragic

what is even worse is the publics indifference to ongoing massacres and incineration in Afgh-pk Iraq Gaza Lebanon and many other sites where US-Israel hegemony and torture have gone unhindered

for those who have kids, watching this level of probing & groping is truly tragic

what is even worse is the publics indifference to ongoing massacres and incineration in Afgh-pk Iraq Gaza Lebanon and many other sites where US-Israel hegemony and torture have gone unhindered

All I can say is “FUCKIN EH!!!”

TSA workers are FUCKING PEDOPHILES.

Im sure the paedo’s are running to TSA jobs in their droves but most of these guys are a bunch of dumbasses.

All I can say is watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3LNxvG1qQM

Sign the petition to abolish the TSA: http://abolishthetsa.net/sign-the-petition/

I have to apologize to you, at first i thought you were some 16 yr old skinhead jumping on the latest Islamphobic bandwagon, then I realized you were an adult living in fear of the dark Mooslim bogeyman, who truly believes that” they are there to get you”, there is an evil conspiracy of dark skinned men to enslave Xstian babies & eat Western puppies,Lol.

Within your fantasy world, apparently the Judeo-Christian societies are immune to violence, political repression & religious persecution. This is an hilarious understanding of history especially when you lose track of how much, and how often Europe was fighting itself, the violence itself immensely responsible for the death of dozens of millions of its “own”, I am not even talking about the cost of colonialism, imperialism & the holocaust…..

It’s amazing to witness the socio psychological debacle of American society,you never miss an opportunity to fear something, Communism,secularism, homosexuality, Islam, Judaism,Latinos, Blacks etc…..There is always a new public enemy on your shit list.Yanks actually believe that trying to see things through the victim’s eyes. It makes you sound less like fanatics…

I wonder how does it feel to live like a scared old woman

Duh…

I mean really. Of course the TSA screenings groom children to cooperate with sex abusers. Any parent realizes that, any teacher realizes that, anyone with a lick of sense realizes that. It’s obvious.

Who are these morons, and why are the running the DHS and TSA? Worse, why is our legislative branch letting this happen?

I’ve got a clue for you elected office holders: Parents vote. You sorry profligates are out on your backsides if you don’t fix this!

The Obama Nation has gone way, way, way too far this time.

I guess it’s what? Culture? ROFL. The whole yanno, we got enough momentum in the media lets call out the lawyers.

Don’t get me wrong. You would be the fool in the red plastic nose with the white paint on your face if you think for one second I am standing in some cattle line to be poked and prodded with radiation and or the hair palm of a monkey. And it would be the wrong kind of make-up.

However that doesn’t mean it escapes me. The idea of calling any of this culture.

Imma head down to y’old theatrical supply store and pick of some face paint, so at least all the monkeys can put on the facade of professionalism.

LOL, where is my god damn kit kat bar!

there is a very easy way to avoid ALL this crap … and to also force changes..
STOP FLYING !
they make SOOOoo much money, (aircraft company s, airports, government from taxes), an extreme fast decline in revenue would FORCE change

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Yes, there are problems with the TSA security processes. People don’t want to be scanned because they are afraid of radiation. People don’t want patdowns because they feel squidged out by having a stranger touch them and their family members. Either way you are screwed.

What I have a problem with when it comes to all these anti-TSA articles is that not a single person ever tries to come up with a better method.

It sucks that kids are getting patdowns and stuff, but it also sucks that we live in a world where evil adults use children as mules for drugs or other contraband. If you don’t believe me, ask any Vietnam Veteran who encountered some Vietnamese child used as a human bomb.

Instead of bitching and moaning about how it all sucks so bad, try coming up with a better system that balances the needs of airport security with passenger safety and dignity.

Some people have suggested that we use the Israeli approach, which works very well but will add a ton of waiting time at airport entrances. Or maybe if they improve the scanners so that people won’t have to worry about radiation.

BTW, as someone who has worked in the Dental field, people who complain about radiation from Dental Xrays are seriously misinformed. You get more radiation from walking outside on a sunny day that you get from a Full Mouth Series (FMX) of radiographs using modern digital radiology software. The full body scans don’t even penetrate into your bones, so it can’t be using more than Alpha Radiation, which is about equivalent to…walking outside on a sunny day!

Sick. But, think about the logic here, and it makes a lot of sense. Don’t touch my fucking kid, or tell them it is a game, you sick, sick bastards.

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“it also sucks that we live in a world where evil adults use children as mules for drugs or other contraband”

What does any of that have to do with airport security? Drugs and unspecified “contraband” may not constitute a risk to airport or aircraft security.

If there is a credible threat that Wahhabi-inspired Jihadists are going to use children as suicide bombers in US airports, then by all means let’s try and find them. However, I don’t see the slightest indication that such a threat exists. In the meantime, they’re dragging a TSA agent out of a scanner station in Denver with his pants down masturbating to teen girls in the scanner.

“You get more radiation from walking outside on a sunny day that you get from a Full Mouth Series (FMX) of radiographs using modern digital radiology software.”

You need to understand concepts like scattering cross-section and the photoelectric effect before making such broad statements about radiation.

Only some people are concerned about the radiation. Who wouldn’t be concerned about and untrained person operating a backscatter machine? Would you let a security guard with hardly any training x-ray you? There’s a reason TSA won’t allow their employees wear dosimeters.

Most people just don’t want to photographed naked or have their crotch grabbed by a stranger in order to get on a plane. It’s that simple. Would you let a random stranger photograph you naked or grab your privates? What about your 10 year old daughter’s? If the answer is no, then you really should examine why you would let someone do that to you because they have a rent-a-cop uniform.

Thermal scanners would detect weapons as patches of cold on your body

How about we implement the same airport screenings that Israel does? The airport screenings we have in this country aren’t just invasive, they don’t work! The TSA has not caught a single terrorist and, in fact, accidentally lets people on planes that are already on a watch list! The Israel international airport gets threats every day, and yet screening takes half an hour or less and they have no invasive pat downs or x-ray scanners that they make people go through. All this TSA business is just show to make people feel like they’re safe but it doesn’t actually do anything.

No surprises, and it was not mistaken judgment, they just got found out is all.

When I was a kid we used to play doctors and nurses, so I guess the young experimenting with their sexuality will now be playing TSA goon and air traveller?

Yes I suppose doctors and nurses will now be substituted with TSA goon and air traveller in the bushes behind the playground.

I have heard from folks that have flown into the US are not getting the invasive pat downs and screenings, only those who are flying from state to state within the US…makes you wonder what the real purpose of this is?? I doubt it is security.

Here, here; you are spot ON! Just as Mahatma Ghandhi, the late great Indian leader had brought the mighty British Empire down to its knees with boycotts on British goods sold in India such as UK textiles and evicted the Brits from Mother India, we, too, can evict the Nazi TSA thugs and witch reptiles Janet Napolitano and John Pistole from our local airports by refusing to fly until the TSA is defunded and evicted. Don’t understand the power of a massive boycott.

Never underestimate the pedophiles nor the dumbasses….

“Children “don’t have the sophistication” to distinguish between a pat-down carried out by an airport security officer and an assault by a sexual predator, he said.”

That’s because a pat-down carried out by an airport security officer is now synonymous with an assault by a sexual predator. The people that came up with this “enhanced pat-down” and the TSA officers that chose to perform it should be convicted as the sex offenders they are. National security should not override the basic laws of our society and legalize sexual assault.

Simple solution next time at the airport if you witness illicit sexual groping of yourself or your offspring, get the name, rank and SS# of the offending groper and file a formal police report with the city, NOT the airport police. Here in the Bay Area, where SFO International airport is located, the county DA will arrest and prosecute any such illegal sexual skin to skin contact, resulting in either a misdemeanor or felony. The TSA goons are NOT above the law.

How does:
“What I have a problem with when it comes to all these anti-TSA articles is that not a single person ever tries to come up with a better method. ”
End up in the same post as:
“Some people have suggested that we use the Israeli approach….”
And what on earth were you thinking when you wrote:
“which works very well but will add a ton of waiting time at airport entrances.”
It’s as if you’re either an idiot, or a PR guy from the TSA… or both. (The Israeli method is actually FASTER than what the TSA does… in addition to providing superior security and being far less invasive)

The TSA has never found a terrorist.

What was wrong with the old system… take off the shoes, TSA uses the wand, walk through the metal detector and any carry on item (including your jacket) scanned. Do they think that far too many passengers were sneaking under that radar? How many people fly every day? And, what is the percentage of passengers getting through the old system? I will be traveling soon and I’m taking the bus. Or, if I decide to fly, I’m making sure that my bladder is quite full. “A pat-down? Sure! oooops… overactive bladder, you know.”

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http://www.henderob.com/tsa/

http://henderob.com/tsa/

you fail to understand, the body scanning involves not whole body radiation but skin scatter. The risk is of dermatologic malignancies, that is why pilots unions oppose it, they are already in the high occupational risk group

And, bear in mind that TSA employees have a union… AFGE. If they feel that they are unfairly treated, their union can make a heck of a stink!

All children need to be taught to yell, scream, kick and strike out anyone who does what TSA in their warped way thinks is somehow ok to do to them. They need to know that any uniform worn by anybody should not give them any level of comfort to accept molestation.

the israeli approach will certainly ‘enhance’ ethnic profiling and would you be irked when all moslems are taken in a separate isle and strip searched and butt searched.

Israel is turning into a doomed colonial state, do we have to copy their failure to function as a democracy

That doesn’t matter either. I’ll would train my daughters to resist ANY authority figure that touches them in that manner. If they want to fuck with my kids they’ll have to try it after the shoot me first.

Fuck all of you people posting your stupid, self-serving Jihad this that and Jihad that delusional religious bullshit…
This is about children you stupid fucks.
Wake up and slap yourselves in the face and if that doesn’t work just shoot your own sorry asses and leave this planet. We don’t want or need you here anymore.

I’m afraid that people with actual jobs in this economy, even if they have a union, are not likely to refuse to perform the job they’re paid to do. They wouldn’t even be able to collect unemployment insurance since they would have been fired for cause.

Now sex predators might well flock to the TSA Recruiting Office!

[...] [more...] How the F*ck do these parents allow these F*cking kiddy fiddling perverts to touch their children – I just don’t get it. What the F*ck has America become – Lame Sheep ready for slaughter – Wake the F*ck up and stop this shit NOW ! // [...]

[...] Exclusive: TSA frisks groom children to cooperate with sex predators, abuse expert says.  Raw Story. the TSA’s recommendation that children be told the pat-down is a “game” is potentially putting children in danger. [...]

Only complete black hearted, souless, already dead, thumbsucking morons support any of this shyte. THERE ARE NO TERRORISTS!!! GROW UP!!!! THERE IS ONLY A GOVT CLASS THAT HAS RUN AMOK. TIME TO TAKE IT BACK.
Watch and learn sleepwalker.
http://www.minimovies.org/documentaires/view/crass/trailer%202
ATTENTION. F@#k American power. F*&k Russian power. F$%k British power.
F$%k ALL POWER!
ATTENTION. These ignorant shits arm themselves for annihilation and call it world peace.
BOLLOCKS!!!!

Pacified. Classified.
Keep in line. You’re doing fine.
Lost your voice? There ain’t no choice.
Play the game. Silent and tame.
Be the passive observer, sit back and look
At the world they destroyed and the peace that they took.
Ask no questions, hear no lies
And you’ll be living in the comfort of a fool’s paradise.

You’re already dead, you’re already dead,
You’re already dead, you’re already dead.

If you’re the passive observer, here’s a message for you…
You’re already dead, You’re already dead.
Afraid to do what you know you should do…
You’re already dead, You’re already dead.
The world’s at the edge of nuclear destruction,
But your too afraid to make the connection.
You still believe the system’s there for your protection…
You’re already dead, You’re already dead.

You’re already dead, you’re already dead,
You’re already dead, you’re already dead.

By letting it happen without a fight…
You’re already dead, You’re already dead.
With your endless debates about wrong and right…
You’re already dead, You’re already dead.
Nothing’s going to change if you’re not prepared to act,
There’s no point complaining after the fact,
Content to be a number, branded X and neatly packed…
You’re already dead, You’re already dead.

You’re already dead, You’re already dead,
You’re already dead, You’re already dead.

Four hundred thousand people marched for CND…
They’re already dead, They’re already dead,
Unless they’re willing to act on what they can see…
They’re already dead, They’re already dead.
If each and every one of us was prepared to fight for more,
To stand against the system that creates the need for war,
The elite would have to run like it’s never run before…
They’re already dead, They’re already dead.

They’re already dead, They’re already dead,
They’re already dead, They’re already dead.

We don’t need organizing
Or politicians being patronizing.
We don’t need their leadership,
Trendy lefties being hip.
Don’t need their condescension
Or their back to roots pretension.
We’ve heard it all before,
Politicians saying “No more war”,
Pulling wool across our eyes.
We don’t need their dangerous lies.
We won’t accept capitulation,
It’s just manipulation.
They want the smooth without the rough,
But words and gestures aren’t enough.
We’ve got to learn to reject all leaders
And the passive shit they feed us…

They’re already dead, They’re already dead,
They’re already dead, They’re already dead.

If you think moderation’s going to pave the way to peace…
You’re already dead, You’re already dead.
What good is moderation against the army and police?
You’re already dead, You’re already dead.
We’re not promoting mindless violence, keep that for the fools,
We’re simply saying be prepared to break their laws and rules,
Let them know the bigger they come, the harder they will fall…
They’re already dead, They’re already dead.

They’re already dead, They’re already dead,
They’re already dead, They’re already dead.

If they’re going to play it dirty, so are we…
They’re already dead, They’re already dead.
They can keep their lies about the land of the free…
They’re already dead, They’re already dead.
We’ve allowed them too often to use their iron fist,
But there’s one little detail they appear to have missed…
You don’t have to be PASSIVE just because you’re a PACIFIST…
They’re already dead, They’re already dead.

They’re already dead, They’re already dead,
They’re already dead, They’re already dead.

They’ll try to sell their system
Like it’s some kind od age-old wisdom,
But we’ve been had like that before,
It’s just the rich exploiting the poor.
Well here’s an honest confession,
We think it’s time they learnt a lesson.
They’ve tried to hold the people down,
But we’ve simply gone underground,
Moving in the darkness looking for the light,
Looking for a future and ready to fight.
Looking for the freedom that’s been denied,
Fast to attack and fast to hide.
In a world where the people can’t make it,
They’ve simply got to learn to break it,
And if the wealthy aren’t prepared to shake it…
O.K., we’ll simply have to take it…

You’re already dead, You’re already dead,
You’re already dead, You’re already dead,
You’re already dead, You’re already dead,
You’re already dead, You’re already dead…

But doesn’t walking around in the sun lead to skin cancer? Are you suggesting that the airport scanners will lead to melanoma and skin lesions? Maybe people could smother themselves in sunscreen and confidently take the scan option and avoid the ‘touchy-feely’ game?

Or perhaps, like the ‘underpants bomber’ they could turn up at the airport with no papers or identification and avoid all security measures by being escorted onto the plane by the helpful security staff? That would make air travel a lot quicker and easier than the present system. (Just my version of a better method)

You’re on a masturbation deprivation,Cracker?

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“Working in the dental field” in no way qualified you to assure anyone that the back scattter machines are safe. There are trained physicists and medical radiologists, scientists who actually are qualified, who take serious issue with your claim. The balance of your comment is equally uninformed. BWT, it is definitely not Alpha radiation being used. Alpha radiation would not even penetrate a cotton T shirt.

Mr natural born Harry ape, If you had read my post instead of opening your trap prematurely, you’d have noticed that I’m not a Jihadist but an atheist!.

By the way, is it you on the picture?, Boy, you really are an ugly mother fucker & you look like someone who has a very suspicious hygiene…..Enjoy the rest of your life :)

Michael Chertoff needs to see a shrink! Did he ever take a psychology course in his life! Let’s hope that his successor, Janet Napolitano, starts some rapid change in the TSA mentality. What a bunch of idiots in our government! A “game”? My god!

[...] Daniel Tencer says that the TSA’s guidelines for calming children are the same things sexual predators use: [...]

Your straw man argument is lame.

“Johnny, the only ones that should ever touch your we-we are mommy or daddy, the doctor, or a man with blue gloves at the airport.”

Bitter, frustrated angry little man, What is lame if the fact you are projecting your own insecurity & anxiety onto the world around you. Don’t you have any dignity & self esteem?. Try to live like a man, without fear. You & your ilk are pathetic. Lol. I am glad I was born Queer, I don’t have to deal with specimen like you. I wouldn’t want to be in your girlfriend shoes…..

“they’ll only be able to try it after they shoot me first”.

Wow, internet bravado is always so cute, especially from a guy who looks like an old woman.But don’t sweat Brother, ridicule has never killed anyone. You are safe from harm.

Do you want your hair cut, before or after being shot?

How many children have ever attempted to blow up airplanes? The TSA is the Too Stupid Agency.

fyi the denver tsa story you are commenting on has been refuted by snopes. http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/scanner.asp Looks like everyone needs to check their facts ( me included at times )

Don’t forget, this also desensitizes the TSA and the government in general to groping genitals.

One day you might find them at your local train or bus station trying to touch your junk, or your daughter.

http://www.hstoday.us/content/view/2513/149/
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2010/01/dutch_police_develop_mobile_bo.php

I didn’t think I could become more horrified than I was last month, but this did it. How can parents stand by and witness a stranger telling their child that its okay to touch their genitals because its a game? The airline industry might as well adjust their marketing plans to budget for almost no family travelers – even if there is only a .1% of this happening to my child, I would never take him on a plane – and before this, we were road warriors.

Why do you say 1 day – they have already started in Tampa bus station: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4G-0g9PRrE

Why on earth would they be patting down children anyway? This is just crazy, and sick.

How can the sheeple of the United States stand for this disgusting abuse of power?

I am so angry! First of all at the people who have put us in this position in the first place….the terrorist! By-the-way who would not think twice about using a child to deliver a bomb and call it an honorable mission. Disgusting and perverse examples of human beings. The TSA has got to find a better way of checking other then what is currently practiced, especially regarding children. With all the creative inventive people out there it has to be in our future to come up with a more reasonable search procedure. The public demands it.

And now the ad hominum attack. Theonly thing you won’t addres are my points. I am not against Islam when practiced as a personal spiritual choice. Like you, I think all religions tken liteally are bankrupt, but people are free top believe what they want as long as it does not threaten my freedom to not believe. The problem with Islam is that it has a political as well as a religious aspect, and that aspect is mandated by the Koran. People who are practicing Muslims and who understand their own religion are required to aggressively spread Islam by any means necessary, through political persuasion if they are in the minority and through violence once the numbers are sufficient. This is reality. I am for religious tolerance, which is why I believe Islamic supremacism should be fought against at every turn. You in Europe continue to make concessions so that now whole communities and towns are essentially no longer a part of the country. Practicing Muslims will always ask for more concessions. It will never be enough. Eventually, elements of shariah law will be forced through. Then the bombings will start and political destabilization will ensue. This is down the road for you if you don’t stand up to Muslim supremacists. Muslims in power are not tolerant. Devout Muslims despise you for being both homosexual and an atheist and would jerk away your rights in a heartbeat if they had the political power to do so. I am actually fighting for your rights against a culture that sees you as an abomination. Your welcome.

True, that. Especially at this time of year.

Keeping a roof over your head and food on the table can, I’m sorry to say, justify to oneself many things.

If you are an Airline executive read this:

The Airline business has a broken model where they let a fascist government take over part of their operations (security) now they will pay the consequences. Take our family as reference; we are not going to accept radiation and nude picture taking of our members nor sick PAD-DOWNS. The current procedures targets disable persons for sexual harassment my wife has a titanium hip. So the whole family is not flying any more. Members of the family are now buying motor homes, new cars, etc. We are re-adjusting our recreation activities. Even if they fix this mess in the future, the monies for flying are not there anymore the money went into buying new cars (we just bought new car yesterday cash) and motor homes.

If you own airline stock sell them as soon as you can, there is no future in a business like that.

The airlines knew that the TSA was going to implement those machines and start humiliating your customers and you did nothing about it. Where your lobbyists in Washington are, fire them all, you needed someone at the helm of the TSA that understands the airline business. But you accepted the current administration of the TSA and you are now going to suffer the consequences.

Read this, not only you are humiliating your customers you may be killing them.:
Scientists with the University of California at San Francisco were so worried that they wrote a letter to the White House Office of Science and Technology in April, 2010 raising “a number of red flags” on the scanners’ safety.

http://www.npr.org/assets/news/2010/05/17/concern.pdf

Full body scan machines = tumor-trons

Why do you say the Israeli approach will add a ton of time to things? Israeli airports move MUCH faster than American ones.

Reality seems to dictate that the words you are typing are false.

The government is grooming everyone to be cooperative with official corruption and violations of Constitutional protections. The child molestation is just a microcosm of what is happening to the entire country.

We are in the third generation of people raised by the TV set. As TV programming becomes more disconnected from reality, people raised on it become the same.

Tens of thousands groped or radiated, zero “Terrorists” caught. The airport in Tel Aviv, probably a bigger target than all the US airports combined, doesn’t even do this. I blame all of you fear-mongerers out there. It’s a classic case of overcompensation generated by corporate groupthink. There hasn’t been an attack on US soil for 9 years, (and even that one was questionably caused.)

[...] predators use to convince children to engage in inappropriate contact, Wooden told Raw Story. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/a…-abuse-expert/ "…we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, [...]

Whoever said this:

“Again-2 lines/planes. One the people get searched and the other no searches. Let’s see which has the longest line.”

That’s called a False Dichotomy, a common logical fallacy. There are plenty of non-invasive ways to screen people for weapons and explosives.

Also, I like the shortest line, I want to sit down.

The parts of this story are all correct, but they are out of order. TSA Agents are already dangerous sexual predators, and they have learned the techniques of other dangerous sexual predators in order to ease their predation. This will in turn cause independent operator dangerous sexual predators to try to imitate the TSA.

It is disturbing, for sure. But unfortunately we live in a world where people could be so sick as to use their children as a means for transportation of illegal or dangerous items.

Just because they haven’t come across any terrorists yet, doesn’t mean that someday this process won’t pay off.

I do not, however, think it is healthy for them to be disguising it as a game. It can be very confusing and dangerous in the long run.

LOL…How easy it is for you use your “internet bravado” while hiding behind a keyboard to make personal attacks on someone you know nothing about.
You evidently don’t have any children or wouldn’t give a shit about protecting them if you did.

I guess they will stamp your ID with “Victim of Sex Abuse”. Then you will have to show your ID to get the sex abuse victim screening special from the TSA.

We should all remember that the TSA has absolutely no interest in protecting our children. All they care about is removing as many civil liberties from Americans as they can. The fact that the TSA agents have no training in child psychology renders them incapable of dealing with children in this vulnerable situation. The fact that the TSA is now intentionally desensitizing children to unwarranted “touching” should come as no surprise. The American government wants all children to be as vulnerable to predators as is possible, that way the government can increase the prison population and increase the money that is sent to private companies that get paid by the prisoner. We are a corporate state and as such all decisions must be viewed in the best light for corporations not citizens.

More like grooms them for abuse by their government.

[...] thorough that we will probably be in terms of our physical screening,” he announced. via rawstory.com Posted in: Uncategorized ← Google Charges Government $25 to Spy on You; Yahoo [...]

You are an imbecile, more than 90% of Muslims are like any other individuals who may hold different faith. They just want to live their lives, provide for their children & live a peaceful & decent existence (like you would..). this phobia of yours, is yet another demonstration of the pathology of American society (& to Western societies on a larger context, since they seem to be prone to follow your social- psychological pathology of hatred, ignorance & intolerance).

Every time Western societies are faced with internal socio-economical problems ,they tend to focus and re-direct their anger & frustration towards a pre-defined enemy, who personifies and represents the sources of all evil….It is so easy to blame others for your own shortcomings and failures, than to address the root cause of your problems.

You stupid mother fuckers did it with the Jews, and now it is time for the Arabs & Muslims to eat the dirt. As an atheist I don’t give a shit about Islam, but I am not willing to jump on this insane Islamophobic bandwagon, because you, Yanks have decide to eat Muslims for breakfast…..Enjoy your hatred and ignorance, that’s all you have,once it is gone, you will be left empty. As I said. I have no animosity for people like you, I am indifferent to your preoccupations & concerns, we don’t live in the same world, I am apathetic to cattle…..

“Hi little Timmy. I have to touch you in your no-no place because I think your mommy or daddy put a bomb there and lied to you about going to Disney World.”

Yeah, that’s a whole hell of a lot better.

Bite me cracker,. you are the one who came out of nowhere, calling me a “lunatic Jihadist” & told me to go to fuck myself & die.

I am a 21 yr old chick.What would you think of a so called “grown up man” using that type of language with one of your daughters?.

But I am not one of your daughters, even less of the regular babe,I don’t need protection from men, I can take care of myself. You came out of nowhere and took a piss on my shoes for no reason whatsoever, don’t expect me to play the victim.

You may think you are tough and witty because of your gender,but if you want to fuck with me, I suggest you get a good asshole insurance…..

By the way, don’t ever tell me to go fuck myself again, you are out of your fucking league, Cracker, you cannot afford a chick like me…..

Eh. They can grope me if they need to, I’d rather fly safely than get stabbed by some random punk who hid a razor blade taped to his nuts or something equally stupid.

Just remember little sheep, its your incredibly polarized reactions to events and policies that make rules like this happen.

Also, if you’re so opposed to it, take a train. Scenic and stress free! :-)

But there have been numerous attempts. An attack is an attack, successful or not.

it’s not islamophobia, a term concocted by a muslim organization to deflect legitimate criticism. you are naive. all people want to eat and have shelter and be happy and take care of their family. duh. even nazis did that. but it comes down to how you perceive others not in your group. people can treat their group with great love and affection but treat “the Other” with great savagery. I know we have made mistakes in the middle east, primarily due to oil lust. I have no hatred of anyone as long as they recognize my right to exist and live as I choose. Practicing muslims do not believe this. If muslims you know say they do then they are not following muhhammad’s example or following the koran. or maybe they are lying to you, a practice condoned when it applies to the infidel. you are the one spewing hate. I am simply saying that there can be no tolerance for intolerance. and what did we do to the jews?? there are more jews in new york city than in israel.

They’ve been running the CIA for decades, all the way back to GHWB.

You are an idiot.

I will never fly again and neither will any members of my family. To all of the sheep who say “I don’t care let them pat me down I want to be safe ” your not but get ready to be the first on in line when they say to keep you safe you must bend over, squat and spread em’ so they can do a cavity check ! You first Michie Seepie.

You’re proving yourself wrong. The government should be identifying terrorists, not patting down passengers. If a device reaches the TSA security checkpoint at an airport, it is already too late, because a bomb going off there would kill, maim, and shut down air travel as surely as one going off on a plane. What’s happening now is like the government testing restaurant meals for e.coli instead of testing the meat suppliers.

We have a massive defense department that acts as a foreign legion instead of protecting the country. That is the first security lesson of 9/11. Why weren’t the planes shot down once they were being used as missiles? We have a massive intelligence community that spends so much time on ordinary, innocent citizens that actual, obvious threats slip by them, that is the second security lesson of 9/11. Scanners and pat-downs and confiscating liquids at the airport does nothing to solve the real problems.

“”How can experts working at the TSA be so incredibly misinformed and misguided to suggest that full body pat downs for children be portrayed as a game?” Wooden asked”

How can someone who otherwise sounds so reasonable and intelligent still be under the impression that the TSA has in its employ any “experts”?

Nazi soldiers were “just peons” in a bad economy, too. The fact that your life would be difficult if you didn’t do immoral things doesn’t justify it one teeny, tiny bit.

It’s ridiculous to suggest the TSA employees who perform the security theater have the power to stop them. It’s a sad commentary on how out-of-touch the government is that you don’t feel your elected representative is the one who should be pissed on.

“Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” — Benjamin Franklin

Truer today than ever before…

I’m sure the Nazis felt the same way. Where is the line drawn?

You’re wrong. People have come up with better methods. They have computers at the airport that tell the security your whole life story. They know who you are before you fly. The idea that Joe Sixpack from Nowhere, Square State who works at Crap Job, Inc. is a terrorist is ridiculous. It’s a symptom of your “24”-addled mind that you think the little show the TSA is putting on with scanners and pat-downs adds any security.

Stop flying. Cancel business trips and schedule web-based meetings. Take the bus or train, or just drive. When the flow of cash from airline tickets start to dry up maybe they will wake up.

“the new rules are “unclear” on whether TSA agents can touch children’s genitals”

I wish everyone involved, at every level of the US government, homeland security, law enforcement, teachers, parents and guardians would read that sentence and contemplate what is happening – what has happened – in the name of security.

troll

So you really believe the majority of Muslims throughout the world, want to prevent you from watching your porn channel & shopping at Wall mart?. the difference between people like you & myself, is extremely simple. I know from personal experience what I am talking about. I visited many Middle Eastern countries and even lived for a while in Qatar & Dubai when I was a teen,My father used to spend a lot of time there for professional reasons.You have no idea how people live throughout the larger Muslim world, the only references you may have are related to Afghanistan, Iran. how many Muslims have you met so far?. Do you speak Arabic, read Arabic?. Have you ever traveled to North Africa, these societies are secular societies, almost open & modern as European societies.They are far from being perfect,just like our own societies, but demonizing them as a whole because of the actions of a few radicals,is utterly ridiculous & unfair to say the least. I am not judging all Americans for the crimes & wrong that some of you have done (& are still doing as we speak), but as an American you are not in the position to hold judgment on anyone, or pretend to define what is right or wrong. Please show some decency, throughout your history you have either slaughtered, enslaved or exploited millions & millions of individuals!.

I don’t think you are a stupid or an ignorant man, the way in which you express yourself demonstrates a level of intellectual sophistication, but you have been emotionally & psychologically brainwashed by this recent hysteria regarding Muslims. Use your intelligence to open up your mind & learn.

Frankly, I’ve always thought that all this public outcry about groping is out of proportion… I think every sane person can get over a bit of palpation without trauma, kids included. Prolly that’s because I’m not american. =)

BUT

Telling a child that an unknown adult touching you is part of “a game” is one of the single most stupid things I’ve heard coming from a public administration – and I’ve heard so many…

Really, I’m speechless.

Talk

“What I have a problem with when it comes to all these anti-TSA articles is that not a single person ever tries to come up with a better method.”

Stop killing Muslims for Israel and their alleged desire to attack America will end.

“cameras in their bedrooms”

They don’t have to put a camera in your bedroom. Most people do it voluntarily. It is called a webcam and the backdoors in Windows allow any government worker to access anything on your computer including that webcam.

“cameras in their bedrooms”

They don’t have to put a camera in your bedroom. Most people do it voluntarily. It is called a webcam and the backdoors in Windows allow any government worker to access anything on your computer including that webcam.

“cameras in their bedrooms”

They don’t have to put a camera in your bedroom. Most people do it voluntarily. It is called a webcam and the backdoors in Windows allow any government worker to access anything on your computer including that webcam.

“cameras in their bedrooms”

They don’t have to put a camera in your bedroom. Most people do it voluntarily. It is called a webcam and the backdoors in Windows allow any government worker to access anything on your computer including that webcam.

“cameras in their bedrooms”

They don’t have to put a camera in your bedroom. Most people do it voluntarily. It is called a webcam and the backdoors in Windows allow any government worker to access anything on your computer including that webcam.

“cameras in their bedrooms”

They don’t have to put a camera in your bedroom. Most people do it voluntarily. It is called a webcam and the backdoors in Windows allow any government worker to access anything on your computer including that webcam.

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“TSA security is nothing more than theater,”

Yep. It is public relations to keep people paying for killing Muslims in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, and Yemen.

If people thought the Iraq war was over and everything was safe, they would demand those military funds be used to rebuild the country.

“TSA security is nothing more than theater,”

Yep. It is public relations to keep people paying for killing Muslims in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, and Yemen.

If people thought the Iraq war was over and everything was safe, they would demand those military funds be used to rebuild the country.

“TSA security is nothing more than theater,”

Yep. It is public relations to keep people paying for killing Muslims in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, and Yemen.

If people thought the Iraq war was over and everything was safe, they would demand those military funds be used to rebuild the country.

“TSA security is nothing more than theater,”

Yep. It is public relations to keep people paying for killing Muslims in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, and Yemen.

If people thought the Iraq war was over and everything was safe, they would demand those military funds be used to rebuild the country.

“TSA security is nothing more than theater,”

Yep. It is public relations to keep people paying for killing Muslims in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, and Yemen.

If people thought the Iraq war was over and everything was safe, they would demand those military funds be used to rebuild the country.

“TSA security is nothing more than theater,”

Yep. It is public relations to keep people paying for killing Muslims in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, and Yemen.

If people thought the Iraq war was over and everything was safe, they would demand those military funds be used to rebuild the country.

“TSA security is nothing more than theater,”

Yep. It is public relations to keep people paying for killing Muslims in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, and Yemen.

If people thought the Iraq war was over and everything was safe, they would demand those military funds be used to rebuild the country.

“TSA security is nothing more than theater,”

Yep. It is public relations to keep people paying for killing Muslims in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, and Yemen.

If people thought the Iraq war was over and everything was safe, they would demand those military funds be used to rebuild the country.

“TSA security is nothing more than theater,”

Yep. It is public relations to keep people paying for killing Muslims in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, and Yemen.

If people thought the Iraq war was over and everything was safe, they would demand those military funds be used to rebuild the country.

“TSA security is nothing more than theater,”

Yep. It is public relations to keep people paying for killing Muslims in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, and Yemen.

If people thought the Iraq war was over and everything was safe, they would demand those military funds be used to rebuild the country.

“but if you want to fuck with me, I suggest you get a good asshole insurance….”

Yep. You are 21 alright. Let me guess. Ur a ganger too. Gonna bring ur homies with you? ;)

Where do the kids these days come from? They are all like animals.

Oh America, your satirical arrogance, and slapstick gung-ho paranoia never cease to amaze me :)

“I cant for the life of me see how anyone can defend these pat-downs and screenings”

Easy.

(1) You are a paedophile and you want a job groping children
(2) You are a homosexual and you want a job groping straight men.
(3) You are a horny man and you want a job groping attractive women.
(4) You own stock in the company that makes the scanner machines.
(5) You own stock in any security related company.
(6) You are a government agent whose job is to instill fear in the American public so they continue to pay for killing Muslims around the world.
(7) You are a pornographer and you want access to all of those scanner images.
(8) You are a serial killer and you want access to all of those scanner images.
(9) You are a blackmailer and you want access to all of those scanner images.

See? There are many people who have an interest in defending pat downs and screenings. Lots and lots of them.

perhaps we could stop being such PUSSIES about air travel and end all the TSA theater

The TSA is NOT there to make you safe, only to remind cowards to be afraid.

Man up, America. Let’s go back to being the Home of the Brave before we are no longer the Land of the Free.

You just described Timothy McVeigh

“I think every sane person can get over a bit of palpation without trauma, kids included. Prolly that’s because I’m not american. =)”

Or you’re a sex pervert that enjoys strangers fondling him. British by chance?

or you could stop being such a coward and refuse to submit to terrorism

“They can grope me if they need to”

Every person who says “They can grope me if they need to” identifies themselves as a sexually promiscuous person who has had large numbers of sex partners in their lives.

Regular people don’t want to be groped because only their wives or husbands have ever groped them.

then the terrorists have already defeated you by making you such a coward

or you could stop letting the terrorists win by not being such a whimpering coward

Okay, shorten that from 25 to 20 years, or 15, or … what the hell. It’s already beyond our control.

Yes indeed, especially when we have adults like yourself & the tosser you are defending, to set the standards….Let me guess,you are a pathological jackass who thinks that a full grown man has the right to disrespect someone as old as his own daughter?.

When was the last time you had sexual intercourse with your mother?.

:)

Christian I bet.

Better take the bus then! The same government that told us we needed to invade and occupy Afghanistan and Iraq says we need these procedures.

We’re at war. Take one for the team and drive if you’re so concerned. LOL Where were these cry-babies back in 2002 when they were warned about what would happen if Bush’s TSA was kept in place…

How about we start questioning whether any of this security actually protects us? Ask yourself:

1. If you really wanted to, couldn’t you devise a way to get around TSA security?

2. Do you believe that there are countless boogeymen who want to blow up America’s freedoms but none of them have been smart enough to find a way around TSA security at any time during the past nine years?

3. If you somehow believe that TSA security has been effective, are you willing to expand those security measures to subways, buses, railroads, schools, high rises, theaters, stadiums, and shopping malls?

Wouldn’t it be much healthier for American democracy and humanity in general if our government would just stop bombing Middle Easterners and bring our troops back home?

The veal who looks forward to being tenderized calls the people who resist being groped “sheep?”

Or are you still hanging upside down from that branch?

How ironic of you to criticize Americans’ “satirical arrogance.”

Do shiny objects also entrance you?

[...] Story has some interesting quotes from Ken Wooden, the founder of the child abuse prevention organization Child Lures Prevention who [...]

Let’s face it: the terrorists have won – they have disrupted democracy and civil rights (two things they hate the most). One of these days americans and people in other countries will try to wake up from this and it will too late. Maybe the TSA should pay a little more attention to the american national anthem, you know the part that says “O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave”.

I may be wrong, but isn’t it an option to accept a full-body scan in place of a pat down? I know that people have problems with that, but it obviously seems like a better option to me.

Bethany, are you unfamiliar with the potential health risks that experts warn come with the full-body scan? It’s a difficult decision to make–expose your child to radiation at the hands of barely-trained workers or allow him/her to be felt up.

actually bethany Children cannot go through the scanner due to child pornography laws

Terrorists have definitely been identified by the use of these new procedures – the TSA themselves. Terrorists use fear to control people. The TSA uses the threat of attack as an excuse to foster submission and infringe on rights. I personally was not traumatized by the pat down but that doesn’t mean I’m fine with people who aren’t comfortable about it being forced to concede. To not specify whether the frisking of children’s genital areas is allowed is just absurd. There should be no grey area when it comes to this, and it should definitely never be associated with a game.

In an industry that was already becoming synonymous with discomfort and dissatisfaction, this is just the icing on the cake.

It’s off the hinges, folks. We’re watching it crumble right before our very eyes.

instead, we are the land of inconsistent intolerance and overcorrection. This country is really starting to scare me. More and more I feel like I am living out the books 1984 and Brave New World. The bad part is that I don’t know jack about politics. By partisan, earmarking?…but this TSA fiasco is just ridiculous. Our choices are pornography or molestation? How about we choose Liberty over the appearance of security! I wish there was a politics for dummies course so I understood what is happening in this country.

Thanks, I wasn’t aware of that. That’s why I asked. Messed. UP.

And the facepalm echoes….

I’m a bit critical of that, just because there are SO many ways people are exposed to radiation ever day (i.e. I’m exposed to more radiation simply because I live in the Rocky Mountains, and pilots are exposed to a great amount of radiation themselves), but as someone who flies rarely, I guess I would be at lesser risk than other people. I’m certainly not supporting either method, just had the feeling that I would prefer the scan option for myself, and children if I had any, although Kami’s comment above seems to nix that if its true.

[...] (RawStory) – Exclusive: TSA frisks groom children to cooperate with sex predators, abuse expert says – Read More Here [...]

Making the world safe …

You shall know a tree by its fruit. An evil tree is cut down and thrown into the fire.

It doesn’t really sound like you have a real objection.

[...] Exclusive: TSA frisks groom children to cooperate with sex predators, abuse expert says http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/airport-patdowns-grooming-children-sex-predators-abuse-expert/ [...]

This is the real bad part of the story, can’t imagine it will take long before there are stories of people being pulled out of line with an Agent saying loudly ‘Sex abuse, sir/ma’am, are you telling me you have been the victim of sexual abuse’.
Good thing they apparently banned videoing the security queue.

huh? So if I plan to attack you, but don’t because I trip and break my leg…then you were still attacked? I don’t understand…is this one of those tree falling in the woods kind of things?

If we were to effectively protect or prevent every threat to ourselves we would be cocooned, in a cell, effectively a prisoner to our own fear. If we do not want to follow the natural course of fear that leads to such voluntary imprisonment, we MUST take a stand, there must be something that is more important than safety and for me that thing is liberty. To show my body to whom I CHOOSE, To worship how I CHOOSE, To purchase the things I CHOOSE, without being overtaxed, fondled or scared into submission.
I would rather be poor, grounded, exiled and ridiculed than be cocooned in protocol under the assumption that if I don’t cooperate, the terrorists will get me or my stocks will plummet or the germs will get me!

Give me Liberty or Give me death! Because life without Liberty is only fear unto death!

lol no, I’m not british, I’m italian, and despite that – or maybe because of that – I totally can’t stand catholicism.

Don’t get me wrong, I too think that TSA’s new procedures are annoying, invasive, and absolutely unjustified.

It’s just that I would be very hard-pressed to define an officer running his hand on my inner tight up to the crotch a “sexual assault”, as many US bloggers did.

[...] sessuali per convincere i bambini a subire un contatto inadeguato”, ha affermato Wooden a Raw Story. I bambini “non hanno la sofisticazione” per distinguere tra una palpatina effettuata [...]

How about just accepting the fact that their is NO perfect security. Accept that despite all the pat-downs and scans etc. that their WILL be another incident. Once, you have accepted the futility of trying to prevent death – about 40,000 people die each year in car accidents – you can then make a rational decision on what the acceptable balance is between security and liberty.

Are you saying all British people are perverts?

You’re right, my life and anyone else’s aboard the that flight is not worth a pat down, especially it involves brushing over my gentiles, I’d rather everyone die.

VIPER is being rolled out and this is exactly what the TSA intend to do.

You people are making too much of a big deal out of this. Who cares about how this method of total madness may affect a child’s psyche? Who cares about privacy and decency? The TSA are doing whatever they can to protect the citizens from terrorists/themselves.

Personally, I would not feel safe going to an airport unless everybody goes through both the body scanners and the invasive pat-downs. This should even include infants.

Our “rights” and “freedoms” mean nothing without being safe.

LOL! Oh the irony of it all!

The TSA is now encouraging defrocked priests to join their ranks. Clearly, they are the men with experience in these matters…

Honestly, what do you propose happen instead of these two choices? Let everyone just go through metal scanners and allow incidents to happen and just say “oh well, can’t be helped! the population didn’t want us to subject every person to the same procedure!”? As the article says, this is the most thorough they can be, and while there are claims they haven’t caught any real major problems with this technique, what happens if they stop and then incidents such as the past ones occur again? What does the population do, blame the TSA for not catching the event before it occured?

a little extreme, no? i dont mind the pat down, but i certainly wouldn’t be happy with a cavity search of any sort. as another person posted, having your inner thigh rubbed WITH CLOTHES ON and their hand brushing the area is not what i would consider sexual abuse. As for the kids, they are going to have to find a different way to search them. I don’t agree with the “game” idea and the genital touching ability right now.

So victims of sexual abuse have to share this with strangers in order to avoid being further traumatized? Fantastic. This should go well.

TSA, Pistole and any of these other sick fucks should be rounded up and shot on national television. It’s just disgusting that our government would go as low as molesting children like this.

Justin…have you never heard the below quote from Thomas Jefferson?

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporarysafety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

Please..the TSA is NOT protecting us or keeping us safe. Did you know that they did no scanning or pat downs on the day before Thanksgiving..the BUSIEST travel day of the year??? And why not you ask…well because the TSA wanted to make it look like a ‘normal’ travel day and downplay the “opt out” day that people were planning for the scanners. Obviously scanners and pat downs are NOT important for security (and metal detectors themselves work just fine) since the TSA saw no need to use them on the busiest day of the year (just to save face).

Justin…have you never heard the below quote from Thomas Jefferson?

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporarysafety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

Please..the TSA is NOT protecting us or keeping us safe. Did you know that they did no scanning or pat downs on the day before Thanksgiving..the BUSIEST travel day of the year??? And why not you ask…well because the TSA wanted to make it look like a ‘normal’ travel day and downplay the “opt out” day that people were planning for the scanners. Obviously scanners and pat downs are NOT important for security (and metal detectors themselves work just fine) since the TSA saw no need to use them on the busiest day of the year (just to save face).

John, thank you for that correction. I thought that story was a bit outlandish. With that said, I am sympathetic to those who find the TSA tactics too invasive, and I wonder what theoretical threat hope to stop by playing “touching games” with children.

understanding sarcasm fail

You sir are an idiot of the highest degree.

These TSA goons are sick bastards to begin with, I’m not surprised that they’re a pack of pedos.

Your quote was from Benjamin Franklin not Thomas Jefferson. Just saying…
I for one will not fly until this madness is terminated. There is nothing that TSA does that keeps us safe. TSA had stopped how many terrorists…Oh, yeah, NONE.

If you are willing to sacrifice you freedoms for the guise of security, you don’t deserve either

You either find our government’s behavior disgusting and abhorrent or you simply have no humanity anymore. There’s no defending what the TSA is doing to children FFS. No excuse.

You have no humanity and no spine, you cowardly, sniveling weasel. There is NO JUSTIFICATION FOR MOLESTING CHILDREN. Get that through your SICK, TWISTED MIND.

Your politics for dummies courses ready to order:

lewrockwell.com
mises.org
bastiat.org

Everything you need to know about politics and then some.

I for one propose that passengers be allowed to be armed with knives and non-explosive weapons like pepper spray and stun guns. An armed and informed citizenry is the best and first line of defense against any enemy, foreign or domestic. “An armed society is a polite society.”

Remember, after all, that it was private citizens who stopped or reported every one of these recent bombing attempts. It was also private citizens taking the initiative (which is technically illegal under a 1970′s Federal Law) that stopped Flight 93 from being used to attack the White House on 9/11. It was NOT the government that saved any lives on that day (unless you count local firemen and police in NY).

[...] http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/airport-patdowns-grooming-children-sex-predators-abuse-expert/ [...]

Bomb sniffing dogs are the solution….. View a video on you tube : “Real Airport Security”.

The video shows how effective and non-intrusive bomb sniffing dogs are. This takes away all of the TSA’s credibility in their present search techniques. The TSA is all about demoralizing and humiliating us, security is the least of their concerns… it is a SCAM!!!

If they do it to Jews, they have to do it to gentiles!

[...] accept all these molestation. It is all about control and thus power to the Illuminati.   TSA frisks groom children to cooperate with sex predators, abuse expert says An expert in the fight against child sexual abuse is raising the alarm about a technique the TSA is [...]

I always knew most politicians were pederasts, but I never thought they would invent an entire agency to carry out their fantasies on such a mass scale.

Wonderful choice.

Its like asking somebody would they rather die by lethal injection or by being tossed into a vat of acid. Uhmm, how about neither? The choices presented are themselves based on the utterly false presupposition that we have to do these things to be ‘safe’.

Should be changed to land of the sheep and home of the scared shitless.

TSA has become the sexual predator paridise

You act like an adult and start accepting the general risk associated with living in the real world.

You could be struck by lightening tomorrow. Or run over a truck. Do we need a federal agency to force you to stay indoors during a rainstorm, or an agency that reacts in the most bizarre, irrational ways it can think of to prevent car accidents? No. Do what works, and stop deluding yourself thinking you can prevent every incident.

So pretty much you offer blanket consent to anyone who wants to do this to you? Glad you made that choice for yourself, but dont presume that you have any right to make that decision for me or anyone else.

Sorry buddy, you lay a hand on me without consent, its assault. You touch my junk without my consent, thats SEXUAL ASSAULT.

Take it a step further.

The people that accept this sort of treatment are the same types that sealed the fate of 6 million jews. The willingness to accept any absurdity and utter inability to challenge authority when it oversteps its bounds is a far greater danger to ordinary folk than any terrorist could ever hope to be. Authority figures have killed 100s of millions over history, terrorists can scarcely claim a fraction of that.

Have you considered the priesthood?

If youre so opposed to flying without being groped, YOU take a train..

What is so sickening about all this is that the whole 911 thing was enabled by insiders in the U.S. who were beind the placement of demolition charges in those buildings to enable them to come down as they did — in free-fall speed, into their own footprint, with thermite throughout the dust, and microspheres of iron, and molten iron more than a month after the buildings came down due to continued reactions of the thermite with the iron. See AE911Thruth (Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth)

The terrorists are in our own government and the masters behind the scenes pulling their strings. The TSA is a tool for terrorizing the public according to the insider’s agenda to bring in a police state mentality and a tyranny in place of the freedom, which they hate.

I’m glad America is waking up.

Can’t you tell the difference between a plan and an attempt?

screening for people that have been sexually abused. Like everyone that has been abused seually has a record of it to look up right. This is getting so out of hand.

[...] Read more: TSA Frisks Groom Children to Cooperate with Sex Predators, Abuse Expert Says Related Posts:Belgian Child Abuse Report Exposes Catholic ClergyChild Protection: Why Did This Woman Lose Her Children?US-led Airstrike Kills Six Afghan ChildrenAustralia Bans Flu Vaccines in Children After Vomiting, Fevers, SeizuresI hate it when that happens: CO2 allegedly causes vampire bat attacks [...]

oh yeah and if you want to bring a bomb just a file a sexual abuse case a few months before hand. so dumb the safest airports in the world use dogs not this bull.

I find it curious that one of the main platforms of British foreign policy is the plight of homosexuals around the world.

I am intrigued by a country that goes on periodic witchhunts against pedophilia, but insists that children of 8 or so years of age receive sexual education in school.

The stories of British tourist public sex acts around the world are uncountable.

Britain basically advertised pedophilia as a reason to go to Thailand for….3 or 4 years during the 2000′s.

“lol no, I’m not british, I’m italian”

I read a story by a British woman who said Italy has outdoor urinals located in public places like playgrounds and parks.

The British woman claimed to have witnessed Italian men masturbating at these public urinals as men, women, children, and families walked by.

Of course people like that would not mind a hand rubbing their crotch. They are inured to that kind of mild sexual stimulation.

I don’t know how old you are, but in the 80′s airplanes were blown out of the sky with regularity. Not once during the still democratic 80′s did anyone suggest crotch groping to prevent airline disasters.

It is only now, after the Israelis have completed their takeover of the government of the United States of America over the past 10 years, that said government is suggesting crotch groping as a response to possible airline disasters.

Crotch groping at airports now is about preparing you for the police state. You see a person in uniform and mentally you are prepared to let them grope you and your family at any time or any place. You don’t resist. You submit.

You can train human beings just like you train dogs.

I’m not afraid of the radiation. I don’t want someone looking at a crude nude scan of me!

So everyone thinks we’re safe now because they can take naked pictures and touch your junk. There are still plenty of ways to things through….unless they do a cavity search things can still get in.

It’s all for a show. To make you “feel” safe. If a terrorist wants to blow a bunch of people up they will. It’s pointless to stop it. Not to mention a horrible waste of money in a tight economy.

Wooden, who has testified before Congress on child safety issues on numerous occasions, says he was told by a TSA agent that the practice has been used.
http://www.mltailor.com

I hope kids can tell the difference between a TSA uniform and a mall security guard. Since some strangers are allowed to touch the kids. I guess some clear guidelines on which strangers are allowed should be laid. It would be great if no strangers were allowed but the government isn’t having that. So like uhm whats the future looking like?Are you moral do you care?Or is kissing the boot in your face going to be the new normal?

[...] TSA frisks groom children to cooperate with sex predators, abuse expert says An expert in the fight against child sexual abuse is raising the alarm about a technique the TSA is reportedly using to get children to co-operate with airport pat-downs: calling it a "game". Ken Wooden, founder of Child Lures Prevention, says the TSA's recommendation that children be told the pat-down is a "game" is potentially putting children in danger. Telling a child that they are engaging in a game is "one of the most common ways" that sexual predators use to convince children to engage in inappropriate contact, [...]

[...] By Daniel Tencer TheRawStory.com [...]

Once we have to sacrifice who we are to achieve something like this, we’ve sacrificed too much. This is too much.

“This policy is also incredibly insensitive to the countless victims who have already been traumatized by unwanted touching in their lives and could be re-traumatized by such pat-downs.”

It’s about time they got around to addressing this issue! GOOD FOR THEM! This could be very dangerous for children. I hope they can work out a compromise!

Really. Thermite charges. Your proof is evidence of a reaction that can occur between basic materials, aluminum and iron oxide (rust) at high temperatures – such as the ones providing by ignited jet fuel. Nevermind the fact that ‘Thermite throughout the dust’ is a simple way of saying “Yes, the World Trade Centers were made out of cheap and widely used building materials, much like any other modern building”. Instead of spreading this inane and baseless crap, perhaps looking into rational reasons why government is fundamentally wrong would be a better use of your time.

In theory I agree with your later statements about the TSA, but your overall reasoning why is faulty.

[...] Every father teaches their child if someone touches them in an inappropriate way, they’ll knock the pervert’s skull in. The TSA would like to undo that and make the touching process less traumatizing for children by making it fun – the same way sexual predators make it fun. [...]

All who complain – the next time some Muslim terrorist American hating SOB hijacks a plane and flies it into a crowded public place – you’ll be saying “We need to screen our flights better. Lets have those pat downs, blah blah blah”. If your traumatized or offended…don’t fly. If you don’t want your kids patted down…don’t fly.

The majority of TSA agents don’t wanna touch your junk anymore than you want them touching your junk, but its their job. I feel bad for them. But if one has to touch my balls, shaft, and ass crack to ensure I don’t have a bomb, knife, etc. and does the same to all who are on my flight, I’m OK with it. Better than piling into a crowded mall or stadium at 600 mph.

I mean really, what percentage of Americans are obese???? And the poor TSA agents have to run their hands up in all those fat rolls, stinky ass cracks…. yuck!!! They’re probably more disgusted than you and I would ever be.

Interesting that the TSA wheelchair lady enjoys “inline skating and mountain biking” when she isn’t posing nude for Playboy or contributing and campaigning for the Republican Party…. http://www.thelostogle.com/2010/12/02/tammy-banovac-the-bra-panties-and-wheelchair-lady-at-airport-posed-nude-in-playboy/

Just who IS the money behind this sudden, massive, intensive anti-patdown blitz? Columbian cocaine cartels? South African diamond smugglers? The Republican Party?

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this is absolutely disgusting

Sadly, opting for the radiation-laden scan does not necessarily mean you won’t get a pat down. Depends on what the scan shows. A number of my colleagues at work have received pat downs AFTER the scan because they had “fuzzy genitals” or some such problem. I am dreading my next flight. And yes, so much of this process from the get-go has been influenced by lobbyists, money and politics…e.g. the non-inclusion (until the Shoe Bomber) of lighters and matches on the “not allowed list” because of lobbying from the tobacco industry. And the continued NON-screening of freight on passenger airplaines because the containers are too big and we “can’t slow down business.” If I really thought that any of this crap had to do with our safety, I would give these new procedures consideration. But none of it does.

I’m all for safety, but they’re going way beyond what is reasonable. The idea of having my naked body on an x-ray or of having a stranger touching me, especially out in public, is frightening. The American people shouldn’t be eager to give up their rights because the government tells them “It’s for your own good”. Terrorists will just find a new way to get around this if they’re really determined.

[...] 900 total if you’re counting.  And that’s nothing compared to the allegations of inappropriate touching of children.  The TSA is eventually going to realize they messed up “a wee bit”, yes?  Maybe they [...]

This behavior is terrible. I just read a blog about how a study was done that showed convicted child molesters child porn so they won’t reoffend. They won’t have to worry about offending they can just go to work for the TSA. Check out the blog article and Child Protection News.com

“… the new rules are “unclear” on whether TSA agents can touch children’s genitals.”
It should not be unclear. The TSA should not be touching ANYONE’s genitals.

Yea we need to screen our flights better! But body scans and pat downs is not the way to go. A little racial profiling goes a long way. You think a suicide bomber is going to be a little old lady? Yea it may be “gross” to some to touch you but, a lot of people get off on power and what they’re doing is not far from sexual assault. No one HAS to fly, hopefully more people boycott the airports so something this ridiculous can get stopped.

Why in the heck should victims of sex abuse have to continually reveal that information to people? What kind of “proof” are they going to have to provide?

This is RIDICULOUS. About 3000 people died in the 9-11 attacks…and we get this…yet 15,000 people are killed by drunk drivers each year (so 135,000 since 9-11), and you don’t see a huge out cry that we need to add breathalyzer interlock devices to all cars–which are FAR less invasive.

If they just make the cockpit doors non-operational by anyone but the pilots then this wouldn’t be an issue. This is a play designed to make people like you feel safer. In reality it increases the risk as it make the security screening line a target (much more people waiting to get on all flights than the number of people on a single flight). A suicide bomber would also most likely not be deterred to swallow an explosive (if they are going to die anyway what’s to stop them). The big security problem with air travel is that the plane become the weapon, if you make it so control of the plane can’t happen then the major source of risk is eliminated.

“Children “don’t have the sophistication” to distinguish between a pat-down carried out by an airport security officer and an assault by a sexual predator,”

Well, let’s ask a few questions…

–Are you in an airport?
–Is your family with you?
–Is the man wearing blue rubber gloves a uniform, and Government issued ID?
–Is you’re mom or dad saying “It’s okay, honey, this is different”?

If all of the above are true, proceed. If not, start screaming “bad touch”.

When the first story come along of a guy trying to touch a kid by posing as a TSA official, I’ll consider this issue worthy of merit.

Until then, this is another example of the overhyped hysteria being whipped up by the media.

How come we laugh and point at the stories of the volunteer flower-arrangers in English churches being required to submit to a pedo-charge background check, but this story is deemed a real and present danger?

So far, I’ve not heard a single story that isn’t a result of poor/insufficient training on the part of the TSA folks, or belligerent troubleseekers hoping they’d get a story they could get on CNN with.

As opposed to poop-stirring “maybe” articles like this, how many discrete stories of ACTUAL incidents can you name? I can’t get past ten, but I may not have seen them all. Now, compare that the number of people who fly EVERY DAY in America, and see if you can grasp how vanishingly small a percentage that is. The pervasive, endemic abuses of power that you perceive (and possibly hope for) simply do not exist.

Yes, we need to be sure the government doesn’t make this a police state. This is not an example of that. This is one small step past the level of security we had a year ago, and people are reacting like before that we could walk onto planes without any inspection at all, and could carry weapons freely.

Calm. The Frig. Down.

But it always starts with one small step, doesn’t it…

“Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” — Benjamin Franklin

Let me ask you a few questions.

Do you honestly believe that no parents or other family members sexually assault children? And that if they were assaulting children, they wouldn’t say “It’s OK honey, this is different”? Do you believe that blue rubber gloves are only available to TSA agents? And how the heck do you think a child the age of, oh, say, two or three — or even, for that matter, six or seven — is going to be able to recognize a valid government ID?

And lastly — perhaps most importantly — you don’t have kids, do you?

“And lastly — perhaps most importantly — you don’t have kids, do you?”

Bingo!

Are you suggesting that parents tell that children that it is OK for someone in uniform (whom they have already been taught to trust –fireman, policeman) touch them between their legs?

this is all so stupid and getting REALLY old. why don’t you crybabies just go throught the scanners if you dont want to get touched? which is more embarrassing? having and xray like image of your body taken or being touch? no matter what you do someone will always compain. Have you forgotten why we are doing this in the first place. which of these scenarios do you like the least? terrorist takes over plane or you get scanned? you touchy-feely crybabies don’t even have enough sense to that you are been ignorant. wise men talk because they have something to say, fools talk because the have to say something!

this is all so stupid and getting REALLY old. why don’t you crybabies just go throught the scanners if you dont want to get touched? which is more embarrassing? having and xray like image of your body taken or being touch? no matter what you do someone will always compain. Have you forgotten why we are doing this in the first place. which of these scenarios do you like the least? terrorist takes over plane or you get scanned? you touchy-feely crybabies don’t even have enough sense to that you are been ignorant. wise men talk because they have something to say, fools talk because the have to say something!

We deserve neither, safety or liberty, because we eschew one for the illusion of the other.

Hitler raped Jewish women also. I never thought I would see the day when a Government agency in America was violating citizens bodies. It’s revolting. The TSA needs to be abolished, along with the EPA, Department of No Energy, and Department of no Education.

But the TSA NEEDS to do this to stop the terrorist threats; like they stopped the attack planned on… um?

You know, they caought that one guy with a bomb, he was named… uh…

Well they clearly got the um…

Oh fine, they’ve never stopped or caught a single terrorist, and they have failed a number of tests to see if they can catch a fake bomb. But still, let them grope your kids if you want. Just because they’ve never been needed and have a decent chance of failing if they ever are needed doesn’t mean they shouldn’t get to grope your kids, right?

You just don’t get it. The point being made is that telling children the pat-down is “a game” sends the wrong signal. So, if a pedophile decides to play “a game”, the child may tend to think it’s okay, BECAUSE of the very things you list. Freakin’ duh!

How can you miss such an obvious point? Perhaps you should think before commenting next time.

Right, she’s a plant; so the TSA HAD TO hold her for a pat-down and interrogation for over an hour… who knows what she might have had on under her underwear.

Question her motives, but how long would it take you to be confident a woman in her underwear isn’t carrying a bomb or gun? Would it take you over an hour?

I guess blaming the victim and supporting officials abusing their power is now the Democrat Party platform? Interesting, make up some campaign advertisements showing your support of overly aggressive government officials abusing their powers and how you support them.

you’ll win the next election in a walk; everyone loves overly abusing officials.

‘. But if one has to touch my balls, shaft, and ass crack to ensure I don’t have a bomb, knife, etc. and does the same to all who are on my flight, I’m OK with it”

Right, the kid next to me? touch his balls, shaft, and ass. You’re ok with it if you might be a little safer.

it’s like seeing a kid get groped in public. You run away to let him get groped and keep you safer… same trade-off. You support letting kids get groped for your safety… right?

Or is that not who you are? I mean clearly you’re proposing a trade-off encouraging the groping of children for your safety here; so I assume you’ll make that choice in all cases… am I wrong?

How many kids need molested so you can feel safe? Oh, you already said, all of them on every plane you’re ever on… thanks for clarifying.

Yet another person posting without thinking.

The photo shoot to which you refer is from THIRTEEN YEARS AGO. Heck, a mere six years ago my brother would run around in the yard with his children and play football, but now he’s in a wheelchair due to an automobile accident.

In other words, a lot can happen in thirteen years. Seriously, thinking is not your strong suit. Save yourself the embarrassment and just keep quiet.

[...] Raw Story An expert in the fight against child sexual abuse is raising the alarm about a technique the TSA is [...]

Walter, a better idea is to put security over political correctness. A six year old child and a 90 year old grandmother with tons of frequent flyer miles are not potential terrorists. A young Muslim man who pays cash for a one-way ticket is.

And I assure you, the disgust felt by a TSA agent GETTING PAID to frisk an obese man is a drop in the bucket to the disgust felt by a parent watching an adult feel up their confused and crying child.

Why should every “white bread” American go though this when you just identified the target suspect???? You pointed out it’s MUSLIM terrorists, not 7 year olds, not granny, not even the typical white male in this 20′s is the real threat. So why target everyone? Anti-Terrorism experts from Israel have already pointed out that the TSA methods are the most inefficient ineffective way to screen for threats. It is also the most intrusive and violating method.

Unless you’re like “Dave Berry” interviewed on NPR, who had a “blurry groin” from the scanner and therefore got forced to have both at no extra charge. So you may or may not get a choice. If the scanner reader (who spent maybe half a day learning to use it) can’t read it very well, or there’s a mechanical malfunction; you have no choice; you get both.

And some people worry about the radiation as well. But it doesn’t penetrate beyond the soft tissues and only has focus in a couple areas on your body; so you know, just skin cancer and breast cancer worries mostly… who cares about that. Probably not much, so maybe a few people a year. Write that off as a minor loss; the government has to give some people cancer for the greater good.

And just like an x-ray tech in a hospital, these TSA agents got a couple hours of training… that’s how long it takes to get a degree in radiology right? Well I’m sure they have the machine calibrated right and know how to spot a failure or problem that would produce excessive radiation. They have to have a high school degree or GED; so they must be qualified to work with radiation.

Like those badges that show the radiation dose you’re exposed to, the ones the TSA agents are prohibited from having… that sort of knowledge. Weird that they’re not allowed to have those, but I guess they were really trained well to not need them… or something.

You see a woman or child getting groped in the street.

Do you A) step in and try to stop it; or B) run away.

Basically, would you accept any increased risk to prevent that occurrence?

Now with defending the TSA you’re saying that you’ll accept women and children being groped if it makes you a *tiny bit safer. How is that different from running away when a kid gets groped… if you get involved you could be hurt. Better protect your safety and run away.

*(hard to say how much safer, the TSA hasn’t caught any terrorists, and has missed a lot of fake “test” bombs; what are the odds this would catch a real terrorist and they wouldn’t miss).

Right, the TSA is perfect; they catch every test, and they check everyone. Also there are so many terrorists that we must do this, look at how many the TSA has caught.

Oh wait, we’re in the real world. The TSA fails to catch “training” bombs all the time, and have never caught a terrorist or foiled a plot yet.

These are the people who you believe will keep you safe. With no evidence that they’re capable of doing this.

Well send me $100,000 and I’ll stop your house from being crushed by an asteroid. Don’t send it and you’ll surely die horribly in your sleep… can you take that risk? Send me all your money now.

** What, if he’s that gullible I’m going to fleece him.

The purpose of the pat-downs is not to find bombs or prevent an attack. The purpose of these pat-downs is to be so offensive and uncomfortable that people will find the Naked Booth to be the less offensive option.

If the pat-downs served a legitimate security purpose, the TSA would use them in locations where the Naked Booth is not yet operational. But they only use these pat-downs where they need to herd people through the scanners.

So, the question is, is it permissable, in a free society, for the state to threaten to sexually abuse you in order to coerce your compliance with their program?

Speak for yourself. There are plenty of pictures around the internet of her walking around and running her business, but this is the first of her in a wheelchair. Additionally, she doesn’t show any signs of muscle atrophy or injury.

And the fact that she’s intensely active in Republican party campaigns suggests to me that she’s a Republican operative and they’ve got a vested interest here.

Sorry about your brother, but I’ve got a mensa-level IQ, sport, so step off before you hurt something.

Yet another person posting without thinking.

Six-year-old children (and you want to start learning to use hyphens by the way) and a 90-year-old grandmother with tons of frequent flyer miles make perfect drug mules.

Holding people until they miss their flight is just another petty coercive strategy by the TSA. There is no reason it should take that long. It seems that as soon as the door is closed on your flight, you are free to go.

Of course, you could just stroll though our Naked Booth, and we’ll let you go. C’mon… show us your tits, and we’ll let you make the plane…

I am appauled to think that an adult professional would consider a security pat-down a “game” when it involves children. We are working with tremendous effort to educate children about protecting their bodies without having them violated or traumatized by a TSA agent.As the author of “When the Trust is Broken ~ Just when you think your child is safe Think Again” I can tell you from experience there is no “game” in touching a child in inappropriate places. If Daddy says it is OK to be touched at the airport, it could be dettrimental to a instant decision when a child is approached by a molester or sex offender. Education is key. For more info: http://WWW.sharongrace.com

What kills me are the comments by some that say “This is just one small step past what we had.”

How does anyone dare belittle how big of a deal this is to people?

We all have different personal boundaries, but I think refusing to let a government stranger feel or see our genetalia is well within the bounds of reason.

[...] TSA frisks groom children to cooperate with sex predators, abuse expert says Following an outcry last month over the use on children of “enhanced pat-downs” — which involve the touching of genitals — the TSA announced a new “modified” pat-down for children under 12. However, as the LA Times noted, the new rules are “unclear” on whether TSA agents can touch children’s genitals. [...]

“On Tuesday, TSA administrator John Pistole said the agency may change its screening rules for victims of sex abuse. ”

You mean, people who’ve been through airport patdowns?

Is the TSA seriously this ignorant and foolish??

I’ve got a mensa-level IQ, so does Paris Hilton

[...] predators use to convince children to engage in inappropriate contact, Wooden told Raw Story. Exclusive: TSA frisks groom children to cooperate with sex predators, abuse expert says | Raw Story [...]

I’d rather fly safely, too, but getting groped isn’t making anyone safer. Disarming everyone is much more likely to disarm good samaritans who would defend you and your fellow passengers, than to disarm a “random punk who hid a razor blade taped to his nuts” — which has not yet once happened in the history of flight.

The train observation is a good one. Now that the cockpit doors have been reinforced, a passenger in an aircraft can no longer cause an aircraft to be flown into a skyscraper. The worst you could do is attack other passengers, until they subdue you, which is exactly what you could do on a train, or bus, or any other form of public transport. Why do airports do this invasive screening, when train and bus stations feel no need to? Terrorists have attacked train stations, so it’s not simply lack of imagination.

We need to start destroying these people and this administration.

As a victim as childhood sexual abuse, I cannot speak for what might happen is somebody touches my “junk” and I flip out. Be warned, you stupid bureaucrats! You may be opening yourself up to someone getting hurt and the lawsuit of the century! PAT OBAMA DOWN!

Yet another reason why she’s sexy as fuck, but I’m not sure why that or your IQ are relevant.

[...] being told that one way to handle the new groping pat downs for children is to try to make it out to be some sort of "game." This is apparently horrifying some sex abuse experts who point out that a common tactic in abuse [...]

[...] Shared It’s a ‘Game’. [...]

[...] regional security director James Marchand advises parents whose kids are upset by TSA groping to make a game of it, a suggestion that alarmed sex-abuse prevention experts, since “Telling a child that they are [...]

I wonder how many pedophiles will now tell kids they are just “playing going through the airport”!

Did you drop in from the 1950′s to post this, or something? What someone consents to in their private life in no way dictates what they should consent to in public, and the existence of prior consent to exposure doesn’t imply consent in any other context.

What’s next, EricAlexanderSmith, the idea that you can’t rape a woman who is wearing a wedding ring if you put it there?

“I’ve got a mensa-level IQ”

Have you ever considered using it?

Maybe someone has already written along these lines.
Parents are not doing their kids any favor by letting them be pawed by TSA agents under the guise of a “game”. If air travel with children is considered by the parents to be a *true necessity*, it would be in everyone’s best long term interest to make it clear to the child that this “touching” is something that cannot be avoided even though the parent(s) do not like it *because* the government requires it under certain circumstances (instead of scan or after triggering metal detector), in order to fly on the plane. A savvy parent under these circumstances tells the child ahead of time that it is not “a game” but assures the him/her that s/he will be right there and not let the agent hurt the child. Also consider having the agent do the pat-down on the parent *first*, and only then on the child.

But preferably, the adult will *not* be traveling by commercial air as long as government “security” measures are what they are, and thus an accompanying child will not be put into such a situation. A truly wise loving parent/guardian will only place a child in this situation when alternative travel methods would be truly worse options.

So what. Drug mules don’t generally blow up planes. The point is to catch terrorists. Not drug mules. It’s the TSA not the DEA.

“Honestly, what do you propose happen instead of these two choices? Let everyone just go through metal scanners and allow incidents to happen and just say “oh well, can’t be helped! the population didn’t want us to subject every person to the same procedure!”? ”

Yes, actually, that’s exactly what I would propose. I’m perfectly willing to take the exceedingly small chance of a terrorist being on my plane with his panties stuffed with explosives if it means that children aren’t being groped. I’m good with it.

Thank you Ken for speaking the truth! Too many children have been molested by perpetrators who told them it was a ‘game’. We at #JustTell are working so hard to help kids understand what sexual abuse is, and why it is NOT ok for adults to do that to them…and then our own government tries to rationalize allowing strangers to touch our kids genitals? I dont think so. For kids who are being abused and the adults who care about them: http://www.JustTell.org We CAN stop #childhoodsexualabuse.

All I can say is that all the terrorist on the planet are currently laughing their collective tails off – and why shouldn’t they. 9-11 did exaclty what it was meant too – it terrorized us. They’ve won, and we have lost. Game over.

The reason, of course, is that this country is apparently populated (or at least governed) by sheep who are very bad at basic statistics.

[...] Transportation Security Administration screening procedures have been confirmed by experts at Child Lures Prevention. According to the organization, in an effort to have children cooperate with the TSA screenings, [...]

[...] regional security director James Marchand advises parents whose kids are upset by TSA groping to make a game of it, a suggestion that alarmed sex-abuse prevention experts, since "Telling a child that they are [...]

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Un Un! Who you think you trying kid? That ballheaded man up there it’s look he’s touching the
little boy, in the wrong way, in the name of the safety. You parents better open your eyes. If you
see somethings wrong, y’all better open your eyes. We can only talk about it, but the rest is tiredly up to you. These people don’t care nothing about your safety, all they care about using
fear, in the name of safety. That’s all I’ve see.

[...] being told that one way to handle the new groping pat downs for children is to try to make it out to be some sort of “game.” This is apparently horrifying some sex abuse experts who point out that a common tactic in abuse [...]

You aren’t thinking it through. First, the airports. Next, bus stations and train stations. Next, baseball games, football games, rock concerts. Next shopping malls, libraries, govt. offices, public offices, gas stations, public toilets, etc. It will not stop until they control your every move and radiate you with every step. Learn something from history.

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

You are not thinking it all the way through. It starts at the airport. Then it moves to bus and train stations. Next, baseball games, football games, and rock concerts. Then shopping malls, libraries, and public offices. Then they get you used to people being beaten and draghged away as “potential terrorists” at all of these events. Once you are used to that, then they start killing people in public and eventually you get used to that and Voila!, a total police state that would put the stasi to shame! Learn something from history, why doncha!

“Those who would give up essential liberty
to purchase a little Temporary Safety,
deserve neither and will lose both” -Ben Franklin

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

You are a pussy. How ate you gonna feel when they decide you have to be irradiated and/or sexually molested at every shopping mall, every baseball game, every road intersection, and every govt. building. Want to renew your driver’s license? Gotta get groped! Wanna get across that bridge? Gotta get irradiated! Want to get on the subway? Groped or irradiated, your choice!

This is the way it begins. The end is not in sight until “they” control your every move and hold your life or death in their hands.

PS…you have it backwards! Our safety means nothing if we are not free!

They are starting this same crap at bus stations. Better drive. Ooops, now mobile scanning units roaming the streets. The only choice is stand up and say “ENOUGH!”, or keep allowing the downward slide into total control of your every move in order to keep you “safe”.

There is a real problem when snopes is the ultimate authority on all things controversial. Snopes has an agenda as well. Don’t think so? Think again! Don’t be so gullible. If snopes had all the answers they would be shut down immediately.

The industry has basically forced parents to evaluate whether this form of transportation is appropriate for children anymore. I have yet to hear if they are asking people to remove diapers to inspect toddlers – if they are, how incredibly horrible, if not, then the whole patting down thing is a farce that can be tricked with a pull-up.
http://www.raisingstinker.com/197/the-tsa-will-not-grope-my-child/

looks like cynical sarcasm is what gets to most people’s genitals around here ;)

If you’re trolling, cut it out. If you’re serious, you are egregiously misinformed. Do you honestly think the Bush Administration was better at protecting our privacy? I suppose you haven’t read the Patriot Act, then.

[...] by criticism that this “game” approach makes children more vulnerable to abuse, Napolitano and other [...]

[...] the end of another good point about the TSA ridiculousness, Exclusive: TSA frisks groom children to cooperate with sex predators, abuse expert says, I [...]

What difference does that make? That this this administration is further taking us down the road begun by the previous administration does not let THIS administration off the hook for anything.

Terrorists don’t have an ethnicity. Having to focus only on Muslims will bring back what happened in history, such as targeting innocent Japanese Americans during WWII. Learn from history and don’t profile based on race.

Really buddy! I was referring to you crowing about your mensa level IQ. Not mine. I have no clue or desire to know what my IQ is.

Can you tell me why you arguments are so weak that you have to hide behind your IQ? Clearly you are one of those that is too smart to know enough to come in from the rain.

So… if it’s to put a roof over your head and food on the table is premeditated murder of innocent women and children en masse also justifiable or is there some threshold beyond which crimes still count as crimes?

How about not touching children AT ALL, and instead start profiling and questioning MUSLIMS, who are the ones doing the terrorism?!

blow me. I was responding to the above twat calling me stupid.

I was responding to the above twat calling me stupid. I’m not “hiding” behind anything, but it appears to have tweaked your insecurities.

[...] Airport patdowns Grooming Children for Sexual Predators Abuse Says Expert (rawstory.com) [...]

I wish I could *like* this 100 times again!

I love flying El Al. Ben Gurion is the safest airport in the world, and I’ve never been groped there once!

Yeah, just start questionig one particular group of people, after all freedom from religious persecution only refers to white christians right? Wait a minute! what about what all those MUSLIMS are doing before they get onto airplanes?! Might as well putt them all in concentration camps just to be safe, at least untill we get around to working out a “final solution” to the whole problem.

Oh, you mean like when they got Gaza back, and all the bombings of Sderot stopped?

Yeah, lets just question only one particular group of people based on their religion, freedom from religious persecution only applies to white christians right? Wait a minute! What about what all these MUSLIMS are doing when they are not flying? Airplanes aren’t the only way to kill people right? We might as well put them all into concentration camps just to be safe, at least untill we get around to working out a “final solution” to the whole problem.

Israeli airports are the best in the world. Fast, efficient, and I’ve never been groped once. Profiled, sure – but 5 minutes having a friendly chat with a gate agent is much preferred over getting irradiated or molested.

Next time, try not to sound like an ignorant fool.

Islam is NOT A RACE.

Still though why cant we all just wait for them to come out with full body cavity searches, all while you wait in line! that way everyone else in line can assist in making our airports safer.

I should be used to it by now, but I admit it still does catch me by surprise to see how many people defend and defend and DEFEND this ideology started by a child rapist/warlord – an ideology responsible for murdering nearly 3,000 civilians on American soil and countless others around the world.

Do tell, why do you do it? What is it about this bloodsoaked ideology and its murdering followers that thrills you so and causes you to defend it so passionately? I’d love to know.

Are you going to answer me or what?

“TSA administrator John Pistole said the agency may change its screening rules for victims of sex abuse”

I know some of you will hate me for saying this, but its commonly accepted that sexual abuse victims often suffer from poor self image, depression, and suicidal tendencies. If a terrorist organisation was looking to groom a suicide bomber, I would guess a sexual abuse victim would be an excellent choice.

I assume that by “change its screening rules” they mean “body cavity search”.

To oneself? Maybe. We lie best when we lie to ourselves.

To the world? Certainly not.

Please tell me you are trying to be sarcastic in your posts and not just some ignorant fool. Maybe you should learn more about the religion before you start making negative comments towards them.

You are not the original commenter, but you too refuse to answer the
question. Instead, you spout off nonsense about me not knowing about Islam?
What do you know about it? Have you read the Koran? Have you read any of the
hadith?

Islam was started by a child rapist named Muhammad. He “married” Aisha when
she was 6 years old and consummated the marriage when she was 9. I don’t
have on hand the information as to his age, but I know he was a grown man.
This is from their own texts. I dare you to refute it:

Bukhari vol. 7, #65:

“Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her
when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine
years old. Hisham said: “I have been informed that Aisha remained with the
prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).”"

So now, who knows about Islam and who doesn’t?

Answer the question as to why you continue to defend this murdering
ideology. ANSWER IT.

Please answer my question.

You are not the original commenter, but you too refuse to answer the question. Instead, you spout off nonsense about me not knowing about Islam? What do you know about it? Have you read the Koran? Have you read any of the hadith?

Islam was started by a child rapist named Muhammad. He “married” Aisha when she was 6 years old and consummated the marriage when she was 9. I don’t have on hand the information as to his age, but I know he was a grown man. This is from their own texts. I dare you to refute it:

Bukhari vol. 7, #65:

“Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: “I have been informed that Aisha remained with the prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).”"

So now, who knows about Islam and who doesn’t?

Answer the question as to why you continue to defend this murdering ideology. ANSWER IT.

If you are a US citizen,Nice try, but I suggest you keep your mouth shut. The suggestion of profiling “Muslim terrorists” is ironical at best & farcical in nature, when it originates from people who are mass murdering scumbags.

Yankee boy, the body count speaks for itself, terrorists are Disney characters,compared to what your people have done in the last 50 years. This is why the rest of the world cannot stand you. It is not an issue of life style, but about your arrogance & your ignorance

You have entertainment value.Calling you ignorant is like saying Hannibal Lecter had an eating disorder…..

Let’s have a debate about Aisha & the freakin prophet.

Because you hide behind the veil of being critical to religion to express your racism towards Arabs & Middle Eastern’s

As an ideology, Christianity has killed a 1000 times more people than Islam. You picked the wrong fight…..

In volume I, at the end of chapter 2 of my Kampf, Hitler said: “Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”

In chapter 13 of volume 2, Hitler mentions the German people asking God to bless their troops:

Quite the contrary. I find it amusing that your respond like a tyipcal leftist. You are unable to make an argument this relevant to the article. Instead you make claims about how smart you are coupled with misogynist comments. It is sexist to call anyone a twat. Of all the posts I have read on here no has been more offensive than you, and no one has felt the need to share their IQ. Only you.

I think myself that the need to pat down or frisk small children is very questionable to begin with. Secondly, terrorist whomever they may be aren’t necessarly of a particular specific religious denomination, never have been. Third, the message we are sending the potential terrorists is that we fear them. Well I DON’T! and I believe that sending them that message is exactly the WRONG message to be sending! Finnaly, scanners or frisking of passangers will do little to nothing to thwart terrorist activity there are just too many other ways in which they can attack and they are wise to what we are doing as prevention already.

You know, I really don’t give a fuck what you think. I assumed the above poster was a guy, so calling HIM a twat was hardly sexist. But you know whatever. Just kindly fuck off.

WTF are you on about? I’m just saying that it’s strange that very expensive campaigns are being conducted against TSA security measures. The Playboy pose shows quite clearly that she’s not disabled at all. As does her hobbies. She’s pulling a scam. I don’t how you jumped to saying I advocate rape. That’s just fucking stupid.

[...] child rapists, to tell kids that feeling their tiny little genitals is “a game.” Yes, really. “You try to make it as best you can for that child to come through. If you can come up with [...]

Let me just go on the record by saying that I find your post incredibly offensive and misguided.

I could write paragraphs on why, but others have already done so; it would be just wasted bandwidth. However, I cannot let it stand as is, silence is all too often considered assent.

You may reply or not as you wish, but I’m done reading this thread.

The TSA was created as a compromise between majority leader Reid in the Senate and the WHite House. Reid wanted to federalize the TSA workers because more govt. workers mean more votes for Democrats. The Bush administration allowed that to go through so they could get the rest of the bill passed.

If you are going to be snarky. Than you should take the time to know the facts.

Quit your ridiculous comments and answer the points I have already raised: Why do you (and others like you) keep defending an ideology that teaches that you should be forcibly converted, forced to submit to sharia law, or killed? Why do you keep defending an ideology started by a child rapist?

Translates as: “I have nothing of substance to say, so I’m going to call your comment names and then close my eyes to anything you may say in response – especially if it’s factual.”

LOL!!!

I posted the Islamic text demonstrating Muhammad was a child rapist. You refuse to comment on it. You cannot refute it. And so the only thing left for you to do is to stupid names/comparisons.

I will repeat my points again and ask you to address them:

1) Why do you defend the ideology of Islam, which teaches unbelievers must be forcibly converted, must submit to sharia law, or be killed?

2) Why do you defend this ideology, which was invented by a child rapist, as I demonstrated from Islamic texts?

Answer these points, please, and stop ignoring them.

FINALLY, someone with 1) common sense and 2) knowledge of Islam on this thread! Thank you!

DO NOT FEED THE TROLL

[...] being told that one way to handle the new groping pat downs for children is to try to make it out to be some sort of “game.” This is apparently horrifying some sex abuse experts who point out that a common tactic in abuse [...]

Do you have children? Do you know anyone that was sexually abused as a child? Do you know anything about the concept of grooming? Do you think that some children have more or less attentive parents? I suggest you read this piece that was written to assist the police: “Child Molesters: A Behavoiral Analysis” (http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/ResourceServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=469) before you so flippantly write off the thinking of a specialist working in the field for the last 20 years. Speak. The Frig. Up.

You don’t know squat about Islam, You are just parakeeting the Islamophobic trend that is out there, and reciting the moronic drivel. You probably didn’t even know there was a religion called Islam prior to 9/11 :) I am not defending Islam, as an atheist, I don’t give a fuck about religion, what I care about is historical & socio-cultural accuracy . As I said ,Yanks are the last persons on this planet who have the credibility to criticize Muslims, considering the historical record in which you have slaughtered millions of human lives for the benefit of your
“national interests”.

Peddle your right wind propaganda elsewhere. The dispute between the Democrats and the Republicans was over whether the TSA employees would be forbidden to join a union. Congress authorized the TSA, but the federalization was a bipartisan proposal implemented by the Republican Bush Administration:

“The TSA was created in response to the September 11, 2001 attacks. Its first administrator John Magaw was nominated by President Bush on December 10, 2001 and confirmed by the Senate the following January. The agency’s proponents, including Transportation Secreatry Norman Mineta, argued that a single federal agency would better protect air travel than the private companies who operated under contract to single airlines or groups of airlines that used a given terminal facility.”

Well Poppy, you missed the point, I am challenging you to debate the Aisha- Prophet controversy. The Islamic text is not good enough since it has been debunked by Islamic scholars. You cannot rely on a text if you do not understand the historical context, time lines and every other details connected to the issue

The people who wrote the bible thought the earth was flat. Does it make it true?.

I post facts that you cannot refute. And so, all that is left to you is to call names and build straw man arguments that have nothing to do with what I have said.

Of course I can refute your facts you illiterate wanker, what makes you think you are a rocket scientist?. your American standards? Lol

I don’t care anything about Muslins in particular but I do get upset when someone blames an entire group for something only a small part of that group is responsible for. It’s kind of like blaming all Christians because Pat Robertson says something stupid, or blaming all white people because the KKK hates everyone who isn’t white.

You are entitled to your own stupid opinion, but you cannot label it empirical fact.

On the ethical level, the rest of the world doesn’t need & couldn’t care less about America’s moral & intellectual depravity to set the standards, Your own personal moronic and simplistic
skulduggery only speaks for yourself. We are not asking convicted Nazi war criminals to assess and comment on Israeli politics, it would be obscene……

Stop changing the topic and address my points.

[...] Daniel Tencer Raw Story December 6, 2010 [...]

I am not changing the subject,merely following on your assertion that Islam is a quasi satanic religion that preaches hatred & endorses murder. The historical record shows that Christianity is responsible for a 1000 times more death and mayhem than Islam. If Hitler had done half of the things he did,under the name of Islam, Islam would be a banned religion today.

I hate even more hypocrisy when it hides behind the cover of semi ignorance…..Islamist radicals have killed a few thousands since 9/11,how many 100′s of 1000′s of people have you Yankee crusaders slaughtered during the same time span?.

I think that people on the left make the mistake of thinking that all cultures are the same at the core and that all differences are merely a matter of dress, food, and language. This is a mistake. Ideas change behavior and in countries steeped in Islam there is a connection between religion and politics that simply no longer exists in the West. Practicing Muslims are as certain as old-line Marxists that history is on their side and they will aggressively push their model forward into any area that does not forcefully resist. There is a lot of cognitive dissonance on the left as far as Islam. Bill Maher is one of the few people coming from that side of the political spectrum who has a clue.

Don’t tell me where I can and cannot peddle whatever I choose. You and your party are doing a great job of eliminating our freedoms, but I still have the choice of posting where I choose.

It never fails to amuse me how leftists feel the need to control people.

A majority of Muslims around the world welcome a significant role for Islam in their countries’ political life, according to a new poll from the Pew Research Center, but have mixed feelings toward militant religious groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah.

According to the survey, majorities in Pakistan, Egypt, Jordan and Nigeria would favor changing current laws to allow stoning as a punishment for adultery, hand amputation for theft and death for those who convert from Islam to another religion. About 85% of Pakistani Muslims said they would support a law segregating men and women in the workplace.

Muslims in Indonesia, Egypt, Nigeria and Jordan were among the most enthusiastic, with more than three-quarters of poll respondents in those countries reporting positive views of Islam’s influence in politics: either that Islam had a large role in politics, and that was a good thing, or that it played a small role, and that was bad.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo…+World+News%29

We have an Islam problem and shouldn’t bury our heads in the sand about it.

I noticed you speak English… I think you can thank ‘our people’

It’s only offensive because it’s the truth. I’ve yet to see many blonde-haired blue-eyed hijackers/bombers. Nobody attempting terror has been little grannies or even really women. And certainly NOT CHILDREN!

I think American airports need to do what Israel does, psychologically profile the people entering the airport and compartmentalize the security checkpoints and baggage scanners. No successful bombings or hijackings in YEARS and people get through security inside of 30 minutes. AND THEY DON’T PAT DOWN KIDS.

earlgrey133:

That’s another irony. You do not have the choice of posting wherever you choose because only the “leftist” sites allow propagandists and liars such as you to post uncensored.

Earlgrey133, the ACLU and other leftists you dread have been opposing the TSA and domestic surveillance. Are ignorance, stupidity and Big Lies so comforting that you can’t let go of them?

It is pseudo “conservatives” such as you who have empowered the militarists and authoritarians who are shredding the Constitution. Are you having fun destroying America?

Alcohol, Drugs and Fireams should be a convenience store. :D

[...] regional security director James Marchand advises parents whose kids are upset by TSA groping to make a game of it, a suggestion that alarmed sex-abuse prevention experts, since "Telling a child that they are [...]

No, it’s an American problem. You freaks are the most insecure and psycho-pathological people on this planet, You always have to fear and hate something.

Ignorance & intellectual leprosy are bliss in the land of the braves

[...] Exclusive: TSA frisks groom children to cooperate with sex predators, abuse expert says | Raw Story at Raw Story (via DF): Telling a child that they are engaging in a game is "one of the most common ways" that sexual predators use to convince children to engage in inappropriate contact, Wooden told Raw Story. [...]

I’m still concerned about the IRA, so I guess we should start profiling Irish Catholics and stopping them from boarding planes without a cavity search too.

You’re right, Timothy McVeigh had BROWN hair, not blonde!

http://www.nndb.com/people/936/000031843/timothy-mcveigh-1-sized.jpg

What a ridiculous comparison. Show me where the IRA is committing acts of oppression or violence, all over the world, on a consistent basis, in obedience to what their religion teaches.

Why won’t anyone here answer my question? Once again, the question is:

Why do so many of you continue to excuse and even defend an ideology started by a child rapist, an ideology that teaches unbelievers LIKE YOURSELVES must be converted (forcibly, if necessary), be subjugated under sharia law, or killed?

How’s that Department of Homeland Security working out for you?

Also nice Godwin’s law invocation.

Big time. Christ these people are thick.

[...] Praying for those in need pt. 4 http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/airport-patdowns-grooming-children-sex-predators-abuse-expert/ [...]

Actually, just standing in line waiting for your turn gets you bombarded by a waterfall of radiation compared to the light spritzing you get from you going through the Full-Body scanner. So really, if we just used them and people stopped whining about their genitals getting shown in a blurry picture, they wouldn’t have to get said genitals felt up. Moreover, it’s nothing compared to the UV and other natural radiation we soak up each and every day. Of course, people will always find anything to complain about, so logic’s certainly out of the question.

And a scared and armed citizenry is a reactionary citizenry. Don’t forget about that.

….

You’re an idiot. Go shove another Big Mac in your maw while you’re wrist deep in fried snack food so you can stay the hell off the internet and save the rest of us the trouble of reading your stupidity.

Again with the Godwin’s Law, people! Stop it. It’s not okay for anyone to reference the Nazis as often as they talk about their significant other. You people need a new damn anology.

its not just MY safety that is trying to be prevented here, its a population’s safety. I agree that its possible the TSA hasn’t caught anyone, but what if they have and never said anything? Wouldn’t it be possible, with all the secrets the government and associated have, to have caught someone but not mentioned it to news sources? In response to your question, of course i would step in. Your situation is different than what i’m trying to defend or explain. It’s not just MY safety that i want to look after, its the 2000+ people that were killed that i’m wanting to prevent. Also, you say groping, and i don’t agree with the TSA’s current methods of the child patdowns. But on an adult, brushing the hand over the pants and genital area with clothes still on is not groping. If they’re squeezing my genitalia, with clothes on, then i’m going to have to find my own way to certain locations. TSA won’t budge on this, i’m pretty sure.

I completely agree with you. But life is often about taking preventative care, as in with health care no? Many people take multivitamins to prevent disease/illness, eat healthy to prevent weight gain, exercise to prevent hypertension, weight gain, diabetes etc. IF there is a possibility that you are preventing an occurence that could be prevented, then why not? To me, the TSA’s actions are not above and beyond unnecessary measures. But that is why we all have opinions, no?

Thank you. An honest suggestion, and not someone who just says “this isn’t the right way” with no alternative. As for how effective this suggestion may be, who knows. You might be allowing potential criminals onto a bus, ending up in lots more trouble. Or, you may end up with a group of private citizens saving hundreds of lives? It’s hard to tell.

Christians have committed at least as many acts of oppression or violence all over the world, on a constant basis, in obedience to what their religion teaches, why not profile anyone wearing a cross?

You’re taking an extremely small minority of a population and pretending that it represents the entire group. It’s no more valid than if someone else were to say that because Timothy McVeigh served in the US military, every American serviceman should be seen as a potential terrorist. It’s simply bad reasoning, and if you think nobody has answered your question, take your fingers out of your ears.

1) Pointing out the wrongs of one group neither excuses nor addresses the wrongs of the first group being discussed.
2) Christianity neither teaches nor condones violence against unbelievers.
3) The statement itself is outright false, since atheism/Communism have resulted in many more deaths than anything so-called Christians have done.

You can keep changing the topic all you want, but I will keep asking until I get an answer from someone:

Why do so many of you continue to excuse and even defend an ideology started by a child rapist, an ideology that teaches unbelievers LIKE YOURSELVES must be converted (forcibly, if necessary), be subjugated under sharia law, or killed?

I notice you did not dispute any of the statements that were made.

Don’t hide from the truth. It doesn’t do anyone any good.

No Christianity only advocates smashing the newborn babies of your enemies against rocks…(Psalm 137:9)

And if you have kids or other dependants, it makes it extremely hard to lose your ability to support them, even for very honorable ideals. Food and shelter and healthcare are critical for any family’s survival. That is probably why people sometimes get more conservative as they take on more responsibilities. It’s harsh that people are so willing to risk others, and those others’ kids to protect their own.

What’s whacky, is that conservatives are spearheading this issue as a way to attack both Obama and the unionization of TSA, which they have been fighting against tooth and nail since its inception.

I provide facts, you resort to name calling. I hate no one, you seem to hate Americans very much. You have no credibility.

Oh and by the way, I have spent many years living in your country, we ‘yanks’ don’t have a monopoly on any of the names you might use to describe us. ;)

“credibility”. You talk about credibility? Lol, you’re a freakin nOOb,come back and talk to me when you have at last a 100 posts, Wanker :) You’re dismissed……

Yes indeed, lately the fucking Brits, Frenchies and the rest of the degenerated Western breed have nothing to envy to their cousins from oversea. You Yanks are setting up the standards and the rest of the bovines are following you,like lambs to the slaughter house.

You provide squat, you are just another hyper emotional imbecile jumping on the latest hysterical Islamophobic bandwagon .

Take care of that phobia of yours, without the fear you have nothing to live for, you brainless xenophobic mouse of a man….

In the Bible, there are many instances of accounts of wartime, as well as certain laws that were for the Jewish nation of that time. That doesn’t mean these things are open-ended commands for anyone to do today. The same is not true for the Koran, which is not a narrative in the same sense as the Bible is. The Koran is a conversation between Allah and Mohammed, with the verses that were written later abrogating (canceling out) the verses that came earlier. As luck would have it, the more violent verses were written later, taking precedence over the earlier, more peaceful ones.

But, of course, if you’d actually read both the Bible and the Koran, you would know that.

How sad that even in 2010, with the internet and all the access we have to free information on any topic under the sun, that still, people would choose to be this willfully ignorant.

Even if all of this were not so, as I’ve already said in a different comment, one wrong doesn’t excuse another. Therefore, answer the questions that I’ve repeated several times already, which everyone keeps ignoring:

Why do so many of you continue to excuse and even defend an ideology started by a child rapist, an ideology that teaches unbelievers LIKE YOURSELVES must be converted (forcibly, if necessary), be subjugated under sharia law, or killed?

I know first hand these pat down can send one into flashbacks

I know first hand a pat down can lead to flashbacks

Unlikely as Christianity didn’t exist when the Psalms were written. But I guess its easier to make ill comments rather than factual ones.

Excellent article and easy to understand explanation. How do I go about getting permission to post part of the article in my upcoming news letter? Giving proper credit to you the author and link to the site would not be a problem.

[...] via sexual assault” policy is that it will encourage child molestation.  An article on Raw Story (I’m not actually familiar with this website) quotes child abuse expert Ken Wooden on the [...]

[...] encourage families to help the government push this shameful treatment on their children by turning it into a game? An expert in the fight against child sexual abuse is raising the alarm about a technique the TSA [...]

[...] A few weeks ago, Amazon came under fire for selling an e-book that was essentially a “how-to” guide for pedophiles. Among other things, it apparently provided instructions on how to get children to cooperate with a sexual predator. The book has since been removed by Amazon, but now the TSA is providing its agents with similar instructions as a method to get children to cooperate w…. [...]

[...] by criticism that this “game” approach makes children more vulnerable to abuse, Napolitano and other TSA [...]

[...] If it’s bad for adults, it’s only that much worse for children. First, you lose your teddy bear. Then they won’t stop touching you. And the TSA’s ideas behind how to handle children are downright scary. Their upper management came up with this suggestion: make a game out of it. [...]

As an adult survivor of childhood sexual abuse, I am mortified and furious that and government agency would be so misinformed, insensitive to children, whether or not they HAD been sexually abused prior to being sexually abused legally by a TSA agent for whom there was no recourse by the child or the parents of the child. Now the TSA has decided to do the enhanced patdowns of the children out of sight of the parents, so the child will not “act out to get attention, such as screaming loudly, fighting the TSA agent and holding up the orderly process of the screening line.” My oh my, I can see it now. “Cool candy from a Cool Stranger” and let’s play a game is the newest TSA campaign. It is going to have monumental advertising and exposure on radio, TV, Ad, internet and magazine advertising, so that the public will hopefully be so immersed in the idea, there will be little resistance. FAT CHANCE!

As an adult, there is NO WAY a stranger, even a TSA Agent is going to have the chance to freely explore my private body, any or all of, as he or she deems necessary, including my breasts, vagina, anus and any other area in which I might could have secreted dangerous substances that could be used to harm an entire planeload of people. LUDICROUS DOES NOT BEGIN TO DESCRIBE THIS LINE OF THOUGHT. And now they are going to do these heinous actions to innocent children who have been taken from their parents presence and protection. What really concerns me is that Sis Jan said they were in the profess of hiring for these positions. There were multiple applicants, she said, due to the high unemployment numbers, and they were looking for people who had experience with children, but could not ask certain things about their background due to federal privacy guidelines in hiring. WHEW! I feel more confident than ever that my child who is being taken out of my sight to be fondled and violated by a government worker, will certainly NOT wind up with some convicted pedophile or even one on parole or probation, since federal privacy laws PROHIBIT those kinds of questions and checks, This world is upside down and spinning out of control. Would whoever either stole or reprogrammed the earth’s gyroscope return it or restore it to the proper tilt, or else stop the world and let me OFF!!! AND I WILL TAKE MY CHILDREN WITH ME!

[...] An expert in the fight against child sexual abuse is raising the alarm about a technique the TSA is reportedly using to get children to co-operate with airport pat-downs: calling it a “game”. Ken Wooden, founder of Child Lures Prevention, says the TSA’s recommendation that children be told the pat-down is a “game” is potentially putting children in danger. Telling a child that they are engaging in a game is “one of the most common ways” that sexual predators use to convince children to engage in inappropriate contact, Wooden told Raw Story. -Raw Story [...]

THIS IS SOME SICKO STUFF PARENTS WHO SUBMIT THEIR CHILDREN TO TSA NEED TO BE LOCKED UP ALONG WITH THE TSA SEXUAL OFFENDERS!!!

THIS IS SOME SICKO STUFF PARENTS WHO SUBMIT THEIR CHILDREN TO TSA NEED TO BE LOCKED UP ALONG WITH THE TSA SEXUAL OFFENDERS!!!

THIS IS SOME SICKO STUFF PARENTS WHO SUBMIT THEIR CHILDREN TO TSA NEED TO BE LOCKED UP ALONG WITH THE TSA SEXUAL OFFENDERS!!!

[...] in most US states is at least 15, but if the government decides you’re a threat to security, they can touch you anywhere they like, consent be damned, as soon as you’re over age 12. I imagine there are going to be many kids [...]

[...] Tencer of The Raw Story reports that Ken Wooden, founder of Child Lures Prevention, and an expert in the fight against child [...]

it’s spelled “n00b”….

it’s spelled “n00b”….

[...] TSA frisks groom children to cooperate with sex predators, abuse expert says December 2 | Posted by admin | The Police State IS Forming TSA frisks groom children to cooperate with sex predators, abuse expert says [...]

More horrifying (to me) than making a game of feeling up children is this:
“On Tuesday, TSA administrator John Pistole said the agency may change its screening rules for victims of sex abuse.”
So, if you’re willing to stand in an airport and tell perfect strangers that you’re a victim of sex abuse, they’ll stop threatening to feel you up.
But you probably have to carry a piece of paper to prove your trauma.

[...] being told that one way to handle the new groping pat downs for children is to try to make it out to be some sort of “game.” This is apparently horrifying some sex abuse experts who point out that a common tactic in abuse [...]

I bet a potential terrorist would just love to plant his or her weapons in the underwear of a child so he could make it through the security checkpoint without being discovered. Then she could retrieve the weapon/s once on the plane. I don’t want to die nor do I want thousands others to die because some TSA agent isn’t allowed to do his job. If you don’t want your childs genitals touched, nobody is making you fly to your destination. Take a car, bus, train, or boat!

[...] being told that one way to handle the new groping pat downs for children is to try to make it out to be some sort of "game." This is apparently horrifying some sex abuse experts who point out that a common tactic in abuse [...]

[...] yeah, and TSA policies make a child molester’s job a whole lot easier.) This entry was posted on Tuesday, February 1st, 2011 at 11:27 pm and posted in Uncategorized. [...]