I love this guy. Don’t agree with a lot of his politics, and probably would never vote for him for anything, but I’ve always felt Paul speaks from the heart, and does very little politi-speak, and he garners my respect.

Too bad his son didn’t inherit those traits.

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He has zero credibility and is even hated by his fellow Repugs. He should be ignored for his moonbat conspiracy theories.

right again Ron….

We need more Wikileaks but prosecute the NY Times? Sometimes he turns his own arguements inside out.

Bless you father Paul. How sad that your intelligence…savvy…and common sense are not part of the way the US does business. Being right is just as important as being heard. Go for it!

Agree.

Father Paul giveth…and his son taketh away.

I totally agree. I’m still waiting over the Bank of America ones. Those ought to be good when those buys are in such a panic and peeing in their granny panties.

The NYT did aid and abet in the illegal invasion of Iraq.

Uh…exactly what conspiracy theories are you referring to?

it was a rhetorical question.

p.s. I hate it when I have to explain the obvious.

Being a neoconfederate, all he really cares about is bringing down a black president, in particular, and the fedrul gubmnt, in general.

…but for all the wrong reasons.

I never thought I’d say this, but I agree with a republican….Yes, for one to know that ones deceitful & slimy actions can simply and comfortably hide information, is to invite deceit, back-stabbing, lying, stealing, hurting of others for ones own selfish arrogant greedy and/or vindictive gain = CORRUPTION!

Yes indeed, we need MORE truth & exposure- NOT less!

Ron Paul is going to be the man to beat in 2012. I’ve grown to like this man a lot over the last couple of years. He’s not afraid of what he says. There are several issues that I strongly disagree with him on. I can live with that.

I CAN’T live with being in agreement with the DEMS on most issues, and having them cave in every time.

If Paul stays true to his positions as he has so far, I think he’ll easily defeat Barack Obama, who is in my opinion, the biggest disappointment this country has ever seen.

Spoken by a true blue principled American who is not subservient to for
Compare to what Joe Lieberman, Mike Huckaby and a man named Cantor.
There’s hope for the USA.

AMEN!!!!!

chrislib playing the race card…that was so last year, find new ammunition

I think he was just comparing to the disparity and not actually suggesting it.

“This whole notion that Assange, who’s an Australian, that we want to prosecute him for treason — I mean, aren’t they jumping to a wild conclusion? [...] I mean, why don’t we prosecute The New York Times or anybody that releases this?”

Not that I agree with everything Ron Paul says, but I really don’t think you know anything about him.

Why do you say he has zero credibility? To me it looks like he’s been spot on for all the important issues. A man of the people so to speak.

Well, even a broken clock is right once a day.

He’s like a turn of the 20th century Republican. He’s a throwback to a time when politicians actually cared about this country and believed in it’s ideals. I’m kinda sad I voted of Obeezy without really looking into Paul(I thought he was too extreme then).

What conspiracy theories are you talking about? Also, I would say being hated by the Republican establishment should boost his credentials on this site.

I respectfully disagree. I was a huge Obama supporter, and now the man makes me wretch. He has no conviction or courage for his stances. Obama is much more right wing than Ron Paul will ever be.
We don’t realize this because he’s an elegant and very articulate speaker. Watch is actions.
Obama is a neo-con.

I’m an independent, but if Ron Paul was in my district, he’d be the guy I’d definitely vote for. And if he runs for president someday, he’s got my vote.

Zero credibility? You’re using the appeal to authority? Hitler had 90% credibility and look where that got him.
The man has zero credibility because he’s a man with a plan and his words get in the way of politicians and ceos with self-interests and not the interests of the future prosperities of this country politically, economically and socioeconomically. I don’t usually agree with Republican stances either, and I am definitely moderate about federal aid, I guess a Keynesian is what you call it. But the fact that he speaks his mind, and the fact that you say he should be ignored, but people who speak cyclically like our own president, and both parties in Congress are being listened to, that’s where this country seems to have problems.

The crazy racist guy that wants us to live like monkeys is right!

Were sick of you race baiters, no one cares that the potus is black. Keep up that tired argument because its the only one you pinkos have. Your lot is subversive, so please continue to call the majority of americans racist. You want to know what caused the tea party to rise, being called racist teabaggers by commie jerks like you who cant keep their hands of other peoples private property. Get a brain, a job, and stop stealing. You are outnumbered, outclassed, and exposed. Please keep calling decent hardworking americans racist. End The Fed.

Yes Johnny the NYT did shamefully aid and abet in the illegal invasion.
Thank you for that reminder of Judith Millers’ lies.
Now they are complacent with wikkileaks. Free press is a bitch.

What is most disturbing is that right now all of the DNS servers have been intimidated to block http://www.wikileaks.org so we free Americans can’t be exposed to our governments misdeeds. Shame on U.S. for this fruitless censorship attempt.
To get around the DNS blockade and access to the wikileak site type; http://213.251.145.96/
Into your browser address bar. Screw the DNS censors.
Boycott the Amazon site hosting cowards who deleted wikki and caved in to government pressure.

ugh, this country is so fucking dumb. this race-card always has to be pulled out of the far left-wing’s mouth when it comes down to partisanship. first of all, he’s a partisan of the true republican party, and the articles of confederation have nothing to do with fucking racism. “neo-confederate” is such a loaded term.

Well, Mr. Paul, knock my panty hose off. Sir, if we can agree on the big things and not dawdle the little you and I may have a partnership.

Obvious? Nothing’s obvious with that guy. He talks about a “free society”, yet he wants to ban birthright citizenship, allow the banning of atheist from public office, supports the Defense of Marriage Act, is profoundly anti-abortion (introduced an act that attempted to define life as beginning at conception), opposed the Voting Rights Act and the Civil Rights Act, not exactly “free society” positions, in my book.

Mossad.

*breaks out chalkboard*

Draws Murdoch, Fox, Australia, Murdochs Iran media, Assange, Australia, Beck..

BY JOVE THATS IT!! Assange is an agent of FOX News mentored by Glen Beck!

No one cares that the POTUS is African American. You are reason the tea party is growing.
Hardworking decent Americans do not enjoy being called “racist, rightwing nut, tea baggers”
by a bunch of Pinkos who have no real arguments about how to allow the economy to grow.
Do you know what a “Pinko” is? Look it up. Am I a racist for saying that? Get a brain, do your homework on Ron Paul. He’s the best friend you got. 9.8% unenjoyment, massive loss of freedom of press, speech, and rights in general. The Fed giving MSNBC bailout billions, calling for the censorship of fox news, forced health care except for “gubmnt” approved mega corporations, raising taxes on the poor 50%, closing down offshore fossil fuel resources, the gulf spill debauchery, inflation, this hideous food safety bill, the FCC shutting down “un-approved internet news sites”, that commie supreme court appointment Kagen, Obamas commie Zars he appointed, Cap and tax carbon spread the wealth hoax, the war on our wide open southern boarder………………Or is it that we are all racist?

Good God, I hope he runs in 2012. I have so much regret for joining the masses only to realize that once again, I had been duped. Mr. Paul, please forgive me.

Fox is no different than any other media outlet that shills for the unelected bunch of incompetents that call themself the political class.

Well it suggests that he doesn’t grasp the way the law works, that Assange is actually a publisher, along with the NY Times, not the original “leaker”, and that there is nothing legally to charge Assange OR the Times with.

it’s twice a day and man is that a tired cliche

Ron Paul is spot on with this topic. The world and especially the US are starving for the TRUTH! Used to be investigative journalism would give us a peek behind the curtain. Since there’s a dearth of real journalism these days, especially the entertainment-based mainstream media, Wikileaks is providing an invaluable resource. You go, Ron!

Julian should release the BOA info NOW to get the US off his back. Instead of focusing on getting him arrested for non-rape, our elected representives will be too busy on trying to cover their behinds due to allowing the banksters to rape the taxpayers. This bombshell will be huge and expect massive protests on Wall Street.

Thanks Julian.

or twice

although i’d rather give kucinich the chance. i agree with him on almost everything. with paul, i have some real issues. i’m with him on this though. since when is freedom of the press treason?

i’m just wondering where you all were when bush was setting up ‘free speech zones’. i thought america WAS

Uh, Ron Paul supporters were fighting it, and being called traitors, actually.

I am tempted to make a similar argument that “hardworking, decent Americans” don’t like being called “Pinkos” by “racist, rightwing nuts, teabaggers.” Doing so, however, would be pretty goddamned ridiculous because it involves engaging in name calling during the course of complaining about name calling.

The US is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Banks. The government knew the leaks were coming and didn’t stop them. Now that he has threatened BoA, all avenues to WikiLeaks are being blocked. Who has the real power?

Good. I’m totally with you and I can’t wait for this to bite you in your goofy ass.

you remind me of that old guy on the Simpsons who keeps telling the same joke all the time…

Great idea Ron.

SOMEBODY PLEEEEEEEEEASE WIKI LEAK THE FEDERAL RESERVE.

your argument against him has no justification. you cannot simply state that he has “zero credibility” and therefore “should be ignored” when there is no substantial evidence of argument behind your claims. as far as i’m concerned, your post has zero credibility and therefore will be ignored.

Amen, Brother Ron. I may disagree withe guy on a stack of issues a mile wide…but I always stop to respect the fact that Paul calls them like he sees them. A little more honesty like that is what this country desperately needs!

He’s the Man…that’s why the GoP has all but ostracized him from Congress.

Bank of America will be Wikileaked early next year. Can’t wait……….. If the DoJ doesn’t assassinate Assange first.

How ’bout…..Wikileak the War on Drugs?? Awesome.

How ’bout Wikileak the Pentagon?????? This could get FUN….

Racist? Get a life hack.

Go for it Ron

Ron Paul lends a voice to my thoughts. As a private citizen I expect privacy in a democracy and I expect the government to have as few secrets as possible. Regrettably, in the USA that is not the case. It bodes ill for the long term survival of this country.

Ron Paul lends a voice to my thoughts. As a private citizen I expect privacy in a democracy and I expect the government to have as few secrets as possible. Regrettably, in the USA that is not the case. It bodes ill for the long term survival of this country.

Ron Paul, a rare individual with integrity and courage. We really appreciate his strong support for freedom of the American People.

That is not true he was just as vocal against the crap Bush was doing, so no he isn’t just bitching because there is a Democrat who happens to be African American in the white house. One of the few if not only republican that did complain about our unpaid for wars. Also Mr. Pual has been bitching about the Fed before it became the hot button issue it is today.

Bush was a a dirtbag just like obama, tea party people seem to want to save this country from the commie union filth who are hell bent on destroying it. You like socialist Europe, then move there. So you don’t mind calling people “tea baggers”, I don’t mind calling you commies, pinkos, and socialist scum. Stop supporting the jerks in this administration. This was about Ron Paul, who wants our troops here, not overseas. Moran. The tea party came from Ron Paul, they support him and his economic policies, if you get all your news from bill mahr and those other paid off hacks, you would not know anything about that. Continue with your bread and circus. You leftist jerks hate this country, go live in cuba, with your che t-shirts and chairman mao was so great crap. Have fun.

Excellent point. No response from the government about the war crimes, but now he dares threaten the banks. Outside the CIA, the most powerful, destructive, and insidious force in America.

Ron Paul is mostly right. He’s wrong to blame the New York Times, because they’re only releasing stuff that’s already out there anyway. No big deal. But he’s 100% right that secret talks among bureaucrats (who supposedly work for the people) should be exposed.

I don’t really think we have the right to imply anger at lending to German and Swedish banks when our country borrows from China.

Wikileaks the CIA, FBI and the Pentagon and all those Long timer Moles inside them will fall by Gravity.

We will never be in any Illegal or fake war again!

Now we know what the looney left hates being called, “pinkos”. Thanks pinko.

When the government gives money directly to corporations it is socialism, because one is totally integrated into the other. It’s beginning to look a lot like Christmas. And what have us taxpaying, silent as a lamb, citizens gotten out of this 3.3 trillion dollar GIFT recieved. Oh yeah, higher health insurance premiums, because those same companies campaigned against national health care.

Does China lend to us at 0 percent interest? The Fed is almost giving money away.

The Fed is NOT the US government. The Fed runs the US government.

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Uh…I think that was meant as an ironic comment.

Actually, it’s not that we need more leaks. We need better, harder-hitting leaks. Sure, we’ve gotten a few lies, some inter-diplomat drama, and few crimes, but what we need is a big kahuna tantamount to the Pentagon Papers before it can really catch fire.

The Pentagon Papers showed that the Tonkin Gulf incident was a fabrication, and that America had been planning to go to war in Vietnam for profit, basically.

So then what is needed is unequivocal documentation that the government was in charge of controlled demolitions of WTC 1, 2, and 7, and was actively subverting efforts to prevent the attacks on 9/11, all as a pretext for invading the middle east. That would blow the Pentagon Papers out of the fucking water.

You sure aren’t gonna catch his son saying anything like this

Wikileaks is an Israeli operation to:
-Build Israeli PR(bc Israel hasn’t been good at hiding their war crimes since 2008 Gaza Massacre, Flotilla Attack, worldwide attention to Gaza humanitarian crisis) by making people forget about their war crimes by focusing attention on American war crimes(of which people have known for a while before Wikileaks…Wikileaks didn’t give any new information…except that Iraq did indeed have WMD! Bush was right!)
-Accomplish Israeli/Neocon plan by incriminating all the countries on Israel’s hitlist of which were all on the Neocon plan PNAC(which called for a Pearl Harbor like event). Countries like Iran, Syria, North Korea…and newly added enemy of Israel,,,Turkey! Isn’t it strange North Korea “attacked” South Korea unprovoked…or did the puppet government South Korea provoke North Korea?

Israel is the only country that came out looking good. Israeli Prime Minister agrees.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/netanyahu-wikileaks-cables-prove-israel-is-right-on-iran-1.327653?localLinksEnabled=false

Julian Asssange the Israeli agent says:
“And we can see the Israeli Prime Minister [Benjamin] Netanyahu coming out with a very interesting statement that leaders should speak in public like they do in private whenever they can. He believes that the result of this publication, which makes the sentiments of many privately held beliefs public, are promising a pretty good [indecipherable] will lead to some kind of increase in the peace process in the Middle East and particularly in relation to Iran. I just noticed today Iran has agreed to nuclear talks.”
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2034040,00.html

Neocon Israeli first David Frum(who called for a regime change in Syria, Iran, and other Islamic nations, being tougher on North Korea in his and PNAC coauthor buddy Richard Perle’s book “And End To Evil”) says: “Wikileaks builds case against Iran”. Gasp! Isn’t on his hitlist…erm I mean “provide freedom to” list in his 2004 book? He also says Wikileaks proves Israel was right to attack the Turkish Flotilla…since sudden;t the Turks have been aiding the terrorists..how nice for Israel.

“Some say that the WikiLeaks document dump has embarrassed the United States government.
Agreed — it is probably no fun to be the U.S. official in charge of calling Italian Prime Minister Berlusconi to admit that our government noticed his Russian business dealings.

But here’s who really should be embarrassed:

• Those who pooh-poohed George W. Bush’s “axis of evil.” WikiLeaks confirms that Iran and North Korea have for years been sharing weapons technology.

• Those who suggest that it’s some “Israel lobby” or Jewish cabal that is driving the confrontation with Iran. WikiLeaks confirms that the region’s Arab governments express even more anxiety than Israel about the Iranian nuclear weapons program.

• Those who have condemned Israel for inspecting or impeding Red Crescent ambulances. WikiLeaks confirms that during the 2006 Lebanon war, Iran smuggled weapons to Hezbollah in Red Crescent vehicles, including ambulances.

• Those who have appeased Red Crescent demands that Israel’s Red Magen David be excluded from international Red Cross organizations. The Red Crescent has been thoroughly penetrated by the Iranian Revolutionary Guards and is regularly used as a tool of Iranian foreign policy.

• Those who lamented that Israel’s interception of the Turkish blockade-runner Mevi Marmara would alienate Turkey as a key U.S. ally: The U.S. government itself has for years regarded the Turkish government as trending on its own impetus toward anti-Western Islamist radicalism.

• Those who look blank-faced at the origin of cyber-attacks on Google and other crucial U.S. networks. WikiLeaks documents U.S. awareness that at least one cyber-attack on Google was ordered at the highest levels of the Chinese government.

This is not to deny that WikiLeaks has done enormous harm. The leakers or hackers or whoever it was who obtained and published this information have put individual lives at risk. Toby Harnden of the Telegraph notes that one of the released documents names a U.S. informant in the region. The document identifies him as a U.K.-educated engineer from a prominent pre-revolution Isfahan family who once owned a large factory in Iran and is a former national fencing champion of Iran, a former president of the Iran Fencing Association and a former vice president of an Azerbaijan sports association. Harnden aptly asks: How many such persons do you think are out there?”
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-11-29/opinion/frum.wikileaks.iran_1_julian-assange-wikileaks-iranian-nuclear-weapons-program?_s=PM:OPINION

Haaretz: “WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange on Wednesday defended his disclosure of classified U.S. documents by singling out Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as an example of a world leader who believes the publications will aid global diplomacy.”
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/wikileaks-founder-netanyahu-believes-expose-will-aid-mideast-peace-1.328380

Still believe in Wikileaks?
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2010/11/29/neoliberal-news-of-the-day-11292010/

The story about Mossad Chief wanting a regime change in Iran was to get street credibility…from the people who have little knowledge about Israel. When has Israel and Neocons not want a regime change? Was that really news for you people? Neocons and Israel have been publicly calling for regime changes for a while…they don’t make it a secret.

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Maybe that’s the contents of this mystery file, but I wouldn’t put my hopes on it. I almost downloaded it but I’m suspicious of what it holds. I guess once they get Assange, we’ll find out one way or another.

Are we talking about the same New York Times responsible for the recent CIA leak controversy and embargoes on nuclear weapons inspections in the prelude to the Iraq War? Oh yeah, they’re just peachy keen.

In the lack of arguments, the neocons and the us military, one more time, continue with the old and narrow-minded tactic of accusing others of their own practices, in this case accusing Assange of being an agent of empire, pathetic… That’s I call despair

Remember, he’s a Republican too. That gets bonus points.

If all Republicans were like Ron Paul I’d join the party

From what I’ve read, they’ve got two major releases coming soon: one centering on a major U.S. bank (that does not guarantee Bank of America, though it or Citibank would make the most sense), and a study of Russian corruption. Once again, I’m not sure we’ll learn anything new from this exactly, but it should be interesting to sift through nevertheless.

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I feel the same way. I was disappointed (though understanding) when he released his blanket endorsement to Green Party nom, McKinney, and the others instead of running as an indie himself. Although I voted for Obama anyway. Well, you know what they say. “Fool me once, shame on you…”

You can always count on Ron Paul! Freedom is popular!

Genius did you read any of those articles …Israel likes Wikileaks. The Israeli PM says that Wikileaks proves them right.

“The world thinks like us
Ynet(Israeli News):
Op-ed: WikiLeaks boosted Israel by revealing that most world leaders share our view

Had WikiLeaks not existed, Israel would have had to invent it. The massive leak of US diplomatic documents produces a clear, unequivocal picture: The whole world, and not only Israel, is terrified by the Iranian nuclear threat.

Iran’s nuclearization is not Israeli paranoia, as certain camps try to argue. It makes all world leaders, from Riyadh to Moscow, lose sleep. The Iranian issue is the common thread in the hundreds of thousands of documents that were leaked and it produces a narrative whereby the world expects Israel and the United States, in this order, to do something to stop “Hitler from Tehran.”
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3991204,00.html

I’ve said this before and I’ll say this again: Kucinich is not the left’s answer to Ron Paul. Kucinich is trash. The old Kucinich did some admirable things, like proposing single-payer healthcare and moving to impeach Bush and Cheney. Post-Obama though, he is a spineless and incoherent kook.

“…we want to prosecute him for treason — I mean, aren’t they jumping to a wild conclusion? [...] I mean, why don’t we prosecute The New York Times or anybody that releases this?”

I think this is hyperbole and sarcasm. He’s saying it’s ridiculous to prosecute Assange, and inconsistent to only prosecute Assange.

Just a question from a confused European: what the heck happened to “the freedom of speech” in “the land of the free”? (Just asking)

Paul has served in Congress under 5 presidencies. He was elected during the Carter administration, served throughout Reagan’s term, resigned and then came back during Clinton, and has remained through Bush and Obama.

Paul was one of the first and only Congressmen to endorse Reagan when he was an actual conservative (1976), and opposed him when he became a neocon. He did the same thing to Bush. So please, STFU or at least get your facts straight.

What amazes me about morons like you, is that you tell those on the political left, that if they don’t like it, move to Cuba, and yet, you think that you can preserve the rights of the constitution by advocating for a system that functions like North Korea.

Will you people make up your minds and get a fucking education, please?

The abject stupidity is getting old.

That’s why his “Audit the Fed” bill received over 350+ co-sponsors and passed the House last year, right?

I love wikileaks. I wish they did more.
And no matter what they can’t take down
that website. I am on it right now, despite someone’s
DDoS attack. All you have to do is bookmark the ip adress.

Neither did Goldwater, and Goldwater would be considered a liberal by today’s standards. Goldwater, like Obama, was not born in America proper (Arizona was still a territory, so uh oh). DoMA, I’ll give you, isn’t great, but it’s profoundly different than a complete federal ban on same-sex marriage. Goldwater, before he died, opposed it, and yet was a full gay rights supporter. He also voted against the CRA, but was a full supporter of minority rights, women’s rights, disability rights, etc. etc.

Maybe you should READ exactly why someone could oppose something like that and still agree with the end goal? Maybe it’s because such legislation is deeply flawed? Gee, I guess all the liberals who voted against this POS healthcare bill that subsidizes giant corporations are evil too.

This man is about the only republican/conservative IMHO that’s not half bad. And that’s saying something.

i admire this voice of sanity!

Actually, being a Republican is a negative in the USA since nobody can trust them.

It’s good to know there is still a true American left at the top…and I’m not even Republican. Ron Paul for President anybody?

1. I think libertarians are completely out of their minds on many things in a long list, their utopia would be a disaster.
2. There is some common ground with progressive liberals
3. In 2012, if it’s Obomber + Repiglican – I might actually vote for Paul if he runs… finally someone sticks up for wikileaks.

Dude you are right on I am amazed on some of the comments individuals make without thinking

No, the Banks have no connection to our Gov, they are separate entities. So you might want to check facts before you post.
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No, the US cannot stop Wikileaks, that would be illegal. So it seems you are uneducated to have 2 errors in 1 paragraph.
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As usual the PEOPLE have the power, geesh!

Ron Paul won’t run in 2012.
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He waaaay too old, plus he’s from Texas and nobody trusts any politician from that State after the disaster of the 2 Bushs.

Good on ya , Ron !

But Obama has done a great job so far, but agree some people forget that. Obama will easily win in 2012, so there is no need to worry about a Republican coming back to ruin us.

If you are not black you would never understand the argument of being black. It’s amazing of the mess Bush created and there seem to be very little uproar but now that Obama is in the White House everyone has an opinion, get a life!!!

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This is Ron Paul in 2007 on “The war on terror” and other Wars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZmPS0XmeBw

I lke this folk (i donn’t agree with him in many topics)

I like Paul, but he’s tracking at 4%, the massive moron Palin is at 12%, so Obama is a shoe-in since he’s done so well for our country. Obama is already tracking at 48%, he won in a near landslide at 53%, so I think American will be okay.

But our Fed keeps inflation low and the private banks stable. We have a strong Fed, so let’s support it.

Yes, Rand Paul is a confirmed white racist, so he has no future in our country.

Nice of wikileaks to disclose information to detract from what looks like a SERIOUS war in Korea that has wide reaching effects.

You have to watch wikileaks and see in future that it is trying to distract most people from other serious world events.

I don’t know Ron Paul’s true opinion on Wikileaks because this video doesn’t show it. Judge Napolitano didn’t ask Ron, “What’s your opinion on Wikileaks?” Mr. Paul was demonstrating his deep-seated hatred of the Federal Reserve by toying with the idea that Wikileaks would post some smuggled information from the Fed’s own secret documents.

I don’t know Ron Paul’s true opinion on Wikileaks because this video doesn’t show it. Judge Napolitano didn’t ask Ron, “What’s your opinion on Wikileaks?” Mr. Paul was demonstrating his deep-seated hatred of the Federal Reserve by toying with the idea that Wikileaks would post some smuggled information from the Fed’s own secret documents.

The very fact that he said this was likely intended to solicit people who have such information to leak it, which he of course thinks is the right thing to do.

I’m with ya, some libertarian ideas are too much. I can’t see any good reason to legalize prositution. I have a lot of good reasons that go beyond the morally apparent, but no need for that here. In theory, seems like drugs should be legal. Not sayin’ people should use them, just doesn’t seem like that’s anyones business. But I can’t get past the thought of meth or crack becoming legal.

I think the optimum situation would be thus: Let’s not kid about legislating morality. Most laws are moral laws made by self-proclaimed moral people for people who nearly unanimously believe in morals. However, the scope of “enforced morality” must be limited to wrongs committed against a person, not wrongs committed by a person. That second part involves an inward governance which cannot be maintained and is perversion to try. The law does not make men good.

Drugs should be legal, but people should be actively “evangelizing” by the droves, to get people to stop. This respects everyone’s volition. But people are too selfish, noone would put out the required effort.

The other way to look at it is some drugs remove volition. Some people are “possessed” not by spirit but addiction. They used to be people with addictions; now they are just addictions, automations following the subroutines of engraved subconscious. The word “subconscious” is apt, if not a pun. If a governing body has the means to restore this volition to the individual then they have the responsibility to do it. To that end they are responsible to curb the supply of the drugs which almost always produce insatiable addiction and displace the sacred volition of human beings.

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Iraq got wmd from the USA and used them all to kill the Kurds. That is why we didn’t find any in 8 years.

oh yeh, we must all put aside everything and focus on a possible war in korea. cause there’s NO way we can have more than one thing going on at a time.
WAIT! korea are detracting us from starving children in Africa. Those bastards

Looks like the west coast better be on missle strike alert. That mad man would try his hand.

Nothing funnier than the ones that think the congress only does one thing at a time. How congress works has eluded many who dont want to know

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Im on it

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” — Ron Paul

“for every one who is doing wicked things hateth the light, and doth not come unto the light, that his works may not be detected;” — John 3:20 (A “Christian nation” would know this.)

“Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that
you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you
support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus
whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break
into pieces.” — Etienne de la Boetie

I think most of the information leaked so far should/could have been information the public has a right to know. Some information regarding national security, police, CIA and FBI surveillance and methods, locations and so on should be kept secret. But so far I am unaware, none of those types of leaks have occurred except in cases by the police organizations themselves. (That is, when they successfully catch someone the police generally give out too much info about how they found them – info that criminals can use to get smarter.)
The information about the Banks should be public, and needs to be discussed and analyzed and depending upon the facts – criminal charges may be appropriate.

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We need is more WikiLeaks it is about time the American people know what is going on with our goverment. Now it is time for the American people to ban together and do something about the crooked goverment. Take action people as if not, one day soon you will wake up to see china’s flag at the white house and then it will be way too late. Our goverment is out to make slaves out of the middle class and not allow people other than the rich to have anything. Stand up for your rights and lets all take back our goverment and give the ones in the white house pink slips. Want to save money don’t pay the senators as they have not done anything to get a pay check.

Ron Paul has a huge following because he ‘Gets It’! Why is there only one of him?

Democracy can only exist if the individuals have as much privacy as possible and the Government as little.

I would like to sincerely apologize for this blatant self promotion. It will not happen again.

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Here at World Spinner we are debating the same thing……

actually, that would be ‘moron’ and bill ‘maher’.
as for ‘commie union filth’, you’d probably be happier in a country with no unions, like say, saudi arabia, pakistan, india, etc. then you’d have your libertarian utopia; no workplace safety rules, child labor laws, vacations, weekends, environmental regulations, health benefits, etc.

tea baggers? well, when morons parade around with tea bags hanging from their hats, i think that’s an appropriate handle.

of course, when people complain about ‘higher taxes’ when their taxes have likely gone down, then i call them ‘morans’…..um, i mean morons.

His idiot son isn’t even like him.

he’s not the only one…dennis kucinich tells it like it is.

Meanwhile you have Alex Jones brainwashing (Millions) of Americans saying that Wikileaks is funded by George Soros and is a globalist tool. -_- Jesus Christ

US provided training and support to Osama bin Laden when he helped Afghanistan fight off the Russians. First he’s our friend then he’s our enemy.

Saddam Hussein was supported during the Iraq-Iran war. First he’s our friend then he’s our enemy.

Manuel Noriega was on the CIA payroll and supported by the US government. First he’s our friend then he’s our enemy.

See the pattern….

Is this really what our beloved republic has become? That we as American citizens have to search abroad to find out the dealings of our own government and financial institutions. This kind of coordinated attack on freedom of information and the systematic suppression of truth is not far off from Communist Russia or Nazi run Germany in the. In-fact I would argue that the tactics being used today by governments and various agencies around the world are much more advanced and dangerous in their modern day propaganda machine. I want to know the truth as well as millions of other Americans and people around the world. Suppressing it and spinning the truth on every issue as our beloved media has been doing for decades now, is not factual and is certainly not the truth. Wake up America, before it’s too late.

Is this really what our beloved republic has become? That we as American citizens have to search abroad to find out the dealings of our own government and financial institutions. This kind of coordinated attack on freedom of information and the systematic suppression of truth is not far off from Communist Russia or Nazi run Germany in the. In-fact I would argue that the tactics being used today by governments and various agencies around the world are much more advanced and dangerous in their modern day propaganda machine. I want to know the truth as well as millions of other Americans and people around the world. Suppressing it and spinning the truth on every issue as our beloved media has been doing for decades now, is not factual and is certainly not the truth. Wake up America, before it’s too late.

Should we comment on the headline or the actual quote?

“What we need is more WikiLeaks about the Federal Reserve,”

Why don’t they prosecute the federal reserve? It’s about as federal as federal express. Crashing our economy time after time and destroying our quality of life by systematically devaluing the dollar through inflation. QE as they like to call it is nothing more then just printing money over more money and distributing it to their banking buddies. We get stuck with the bill. It’s a good business for a small group of rich people but not for the majority.

Sadly, he has plenty of future in your country.

If Ron Paul got a party nomination for president, I might actually vote, for once. He’s the only prominent American politician other than Kucinich speaking any kind of truth.

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Go Ron, Assange!!

We’d like to know what happened to that $700 billion bail out money, what did they go?

I would like to see WikiLeaks do a real job on the financial community. The banks are headed by crooks who are not even slowed down by regulation — and the regulations are controlled by the banks through their purchase of Congress. Truly, we have the best legislators money can buy.

The sad thing is that Ron Paul says “In a free society, we are supposed to know the truth,” yet he is a member of the Republican Party that trashed our Constitution and engaged us in an illegal and immoral war.
He talks well but he needs to either leave his party or blow the lid wide open on the hypocrisy, illegal activities and corruption of his party.

If Ron Paul became president he would bring this country to the brink of destruction. It would make the civil war look like a small riot. BUT, the country that was born out of that chaos would be a true America, a better America…an America with a future.

I like Ron Paul. I always have. What he says makes a lot of sense.

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Interestingly, there’s a long history of back and forth between the CIA and the banking system. Many past senior level CIA people are from the banking sector and vice versa (Clark Clifford, writer of National Security Act, was a banker; John Deutch is now on Citibank’s board, etc. and so on…there are many examples). It’s slightly unclear who runs who, or if they can really be considered truly separate, in terms of their agendas.

You should look more into Ron Paul’s political views before making a comment like that, if anyone has been blowing the lid wide open about all the corruption in the government it’s Ron Paul, he is what this country truly needs.

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More Wikileaks and more cowbell. And more Ron Paul.

The world would be a better place.

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barack obama, Do America a favor STAY in Afghanistan don’t come back !

Is this really what our beloved republic has become?

Your beloved republic was built on deceit. Birthed behind closed doors in Philadelphia. The Federalist won the day and doomed the liberty that you were led to believe you possessed as an American.

Our decline predates the Bushes, the Clintons, even the Kennedys. Trace it, if you like, back to the overthrow of the gentle Articles of Confederation and the triumph of Hamilton, Madison, and James Wilson over Patrick Henry, Luther Martin, and Melancton Smith in 1787-88. We have a helluva losing streak going, but there is a value in showing up for a game and taking your swings even if you have no chance. To give in is a sin.

‘I smell a rat’ Patrick Henry

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Ron Paul has two choices if he wishes to remain politically viable…remaining in the Republican party or becoming a Democrat.

Both parties lie a lot, albeit Bush and Cheney were the all-time champs. LBJ was a serial liar, and Clinton was impeached for lying under oath. Obama wants to treat whistleblowers even more harshly than Bush did. Effectively, we’re a one-party country.

Imagine you’re Joe Lieberman. On the one hand you’re pledged to defend Israel at all costs, meanwhile you’re in the pocket of the insurance companies, Wall Street, and the defense industry. You’ve been around forever. Politics is basically all you know. You love being in the center of all that Washington intrigue.

Along comes this renegade reporter from Australia, threatening to expose all the unholy alliances that hold the military-industrial complex and international finance together. He wants to tell the world what’s been going on diplomatically, so the public doesn’t have to rely on people like Joe Lieberman and his neocon friends for the truth.

Would you feel threatened by Assange? Bet your sweet ass-ange you would. What would you do? Simple. Declare him a public enemy, arrest him, and shut down his business.

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The only man, in any public office, that I have ever voted for….Ron Paul.

I like Ron Paul as well. I don’t like his son Rand. Wonder how Rand feels about this. Ron Paul is to Rand Paul as Mike Wallace is to Chris Wallace.

Is he really republican? Why he doesn’t behave like on!!!

USA has lost his face. The decade of corruption, barefaced lie and disinformation is at the end now.
The truth is the winner.
So, wikileaks is our greatest hope.

if those who run this war and our country had nothing to hide and were as transparent as they claimed they would be… none of this wiki-leaks story would really matter, would it?

those in power for all the wrong reasons fear the truth more than the monsters under their childhood bed. they will stop at nothing to ensure their wholesale looting of America continues unabated until they squeeze the last drop of life out of you.

That’s confirm what I said. Do you get it now? ;)

I think there is a wider issue of hypocrisy here: amazonleaks.org

Man! What are they putting in the koolaid these days?

Untill he gets in office and gets his marching orders.

So far I havent seen a thing in these leaks that threatens the Republic.

Ron Paul is perhaps the only congressional voice that speaks the truth.

I agree with you about Obama but respectfully disagree about Ron Paul. I liked Obama because of his very different upbringing which I hoped would bring a fresh perspective to our problems and because he really spoke like he meant it. I guess thats where we got the idea that this guy was giong to see through all the B.S. and so on, and so forth. As of now their couldn’t be a better “insider” in the White House. Given the history of how people change when they move into that place I can’t expect anything different from Ron Paul. I’d wish him well for the sake of our country but wouldn’t expect much.

The Truth will set us FREE!!

Amazon and PayPal, thanks for letting us know that you are also on the slimy dark side of lies and deception…Thank you Julien Assange for exposing the world’s dark fat underbelly of greed and Fascism…we are ALL waking up finally to our true oppressors.

God Bless and protect you always, Julien.

As Dr. Paul said so eloquently. “In a free society we’re suppose to know the truth.” I, as an American want to know the truth no matter how unbearable or how outrageous it might be. I don’t adhere to the Hear No Evil, See No Evil, Speak No Evil Motto. Unfortunately many Americans don’t want to hear the evil or see the evil and therefore dare not speak it. But as the dirt gets flung around and forms a nice neat pile for everyone to see…Americans will eventually have to take heed. It’s no wonder so many republicrats and demopublicans both want to do away with net neutrality. Too much of their dirt is getting aired out because of it. The internet is crucial to getting to the bottom of anything. Without Net Neutrality it would become increasingly difficult to get to the bottom of anything. We may never get to the “whole” truth but we can certainly gain a better understanding which is imperative in making sound judgments.

Whistle blowers do a great service by uncovering the layers of dirt and filth that were once trapped inside a beautiful package with silk ribbons and bows. An eye-catching package that the Media and the Gov’t presents to the American People to sell their questionable actions. But once the ribbons & bows unravel and the contents of the package is revealed…it exposes the filth, waste, dirt, & creepy crawlies that were inside. Of course this is all a metaphor but a pretty good one. The gov’t understands that most Americans will never unwrap the package to see what’s inside. They understand that most Americans are way too busy to take the time needed to unwrap the package. Thankfully, this is where Wikileaks comes in. Whistle blowers give us quick access to events and agendas that we would otherwise never know.

You silly man :-)

Ron Paul has had to infiltrate in order to gain any ground.
Being unobtrusive is the name of the game when you are trying to gain
a foothold in the overthrow of entrenched ideals.
This is why Libertarians lean toward Paul, because he wishes to bring America back to her Roots.
Obviously the Establishment hates him, because He exposes the hypocrisy of both Parties.
The Robber Barons despise this Man, and because of that I support Him.
Anyone that hates the current Cronyism, Police State, Military Industrial Banking Cabal would do well to support him.
What have you got to lose at this point.
Sad thing is, that if he were elected, he would probably go the way of Andrew Jackson, Lincoln and Kennedy, all of which resisted the Oligarchy that has created this disaster.

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I believe Ron Paul would tell them to march right off as he is in command!

If he was against gay marriage he was not a full gay rights supporter. Back in those days especially with regards to the Civil Rights Act it was the political fashion to be against it before you were for it. You vote against it to go on the record with the voters back home and then tell the nation through the media that yes, discrimmination is so wrong (as long as we don’t actually have to do something about it). It’s harder to get by with that now.

Was it Mao who said: To conquer the opposition you must lead it??

I pray this is Not what Ron Paul is trying to do, but to listen to his truth twisted Son would make anyone wonder.

Thanks to people like you it will become harder and harder to censor the American people. Not all the heroes are running for office or making a splash in the media. There plenty here giving us the information we need to stay free. During these times that try our souls, thank you for your service.

Remember that Bernie Sanders, Alan Grayson (defeated), Russ Feingold (defeated), and a few others also supported the Fed audit. In fact, Sanders was the chief force behind it in the Senate.

They are surrounded by a pack of lying whores.

I just wish Ron Paul didn’t choose to surround himself with racist extremists.

Wikileaks isn’t alone in this: http://twitter.com/FilthyRichmond/status/9249281424756736

“there is nothing legally to charge Assange OR the Times with”

That was the precise point of Ron Paul’s statement.

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These people and those things like george w. “baby” bush know no shame when it comes to greed for the wealthy. They have a disease of not have enough and want more at the expense of the rest. As far as I am concern “baby” bush and “daddy” bush are criminals of the worse kind and liars to boot. The profess idealism and do sadism to the rest of the world, including their fellow countrymen. They rob the people with tax cuts for them knowing it will not trickle down. They, the so-called “elite” need to be medically treated for ADS, attention for they are lacking in real attention of the real needs of the real world. They are sick people thos advocating continuation of tax cuts for the rich…it does even beneftt them since they already hav toooooooooo much and we lack enough.

You should read up on him more before making such a comment. The Republican party has been trying for years to get rid of him in Texas because he can’t be bought or would follow their asinine policies. But the people of his district are pretty savvy because they have rebuffed the Republicans time and time again and re-elected Ron to represent them. If he was in a position of power such as the presidency, you would see this country change for the better and follow the forefathers intent instead of seeing it turned into a banana republic such as the right is trying to do now.

It is obvious that the government wants to completely control the conversation, particularly about Wikileaks, but also about everything else. But we have a “free press” because the constitution never intended to give government that much power. The extra constitutional exercise of this kind of power is a threat to national security.

Ron Paul is absolutely right. When we start making journalists hide in bunkers and hound them all around the world for the truths they discovered, we are all in big trouble, the scope of which we may not initially realize.

Ron Paul is an idiot reactionary.

Despite the fact that Ron Paul, himself, is a known racist? LOL.

Why is Ron Paul the only one speaking up for Democracy?
There’s been a full blown war on the truth since bush and cheney got their filthy hands on the wheel. Murdock is the Australian we should be going after for illegal activity.

….from Wall Street.

….from Wall Street.

There is much of Ron Paul that I have always liked. I agree with him on this (did not have time to read the whole article). What i can’t agree with is stripping the federal government of its power to HELP human beings that NEED it and I do not think we humans have the power to do things with restraint. It is true in human relationship vis a vie the high divorce statistics AND it is CERTAINLY true in economics. An unbridled laissze faire capitalism is not my cup of tea. It needs rules, it need oversight BUT with that proper oversight it should NOT be bailed out of trouble. IT should go down as any business and cannot be too big to fail. We all lose when the economic system tanks. Still government needs to be held accountable most especially when it commits human life to the ashes.

No, we do not need more WikiLeaks.

WikiLeaks is only a workaround solution for two deeper problems.

There is a lack of free press.
In today’s media conglomerates journalists are not free to report what happens from a neutral perspective, or even from several perspectives. There are always various interests influencing what is on the news, up to the point where those interests dictate what is broadcast and with what kind of spin it is presented.

There is a lack of freedom of press.
Even if a network allows its journalists to report something, there is a significant lack of protection for journalists and their sources. Imagine that an American journalist dug up a source with access to the same diplomatic cables WikiLeaks has published. His home and his office would by now have been raided in the name of National Security, the journalist would have been detained, and his source exposed.

What we need is a free press.
And the means to defend freedom of press.

We don’t need more WikiLeaks.
We need to make WikiLeaks unnecessary.

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Yes w DO need more wikileaks, they will SHOW the lack of free media because a lot of the stuff that has come out has been called “conspiracy theory” and therefore IGNORED by the media when it is actually FACT. The government and corps that own the networks have them silenced.

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Here are a few impressions of what the God of our father thinks of corruption and deceit, He has a way of putting it,

The Skirt of Shame will be lifted for all to see.

Nahum 3:5 NIV
“I am against you,” (The liars and curpt) declares the LORD Almighty. “I will lift your skirts over your face. I will show the nations your nakedness and the kingdoms your shame

The nakedness of a man is his Shame, the nakedness of a nation is the shame of the nation, the lies and corruption, the back room deals will be exposed, and no one will be able to say we didn’t know… if the skirt is lifted.

Here is what the Lord thinks of those who practice that which is corrupt…
Isaiah 22:12
The Lord, the LORD Almighty, called you on that day to weep and to wail, to tear out your hair and put on a skirt sackcloth. / (A skirt of shame.) A skirt that exposed your corruption.

Isaiah 3:24
And in the place of sweet spices will be an evil smell, and for a fair band a thick cord; for a well-dressed head there will be the cutting-off of the hair, and for a beautiful robe there will be the clothing of sorrow; the mark of the prisoner in place of the ornaments of the free.

If we as a nation continue to behave in this corrupt way His patients will end, we will be as a day in the park, compared to the Holocaust.

I say expose them all and stand in the Gap for what is honest and true, and we will again be a blessed nation, But turn aside to the lies and corruption and we will be Doomed.

It is a simple matter of repentance, each of himself and then the nation. Put the ten commandment Back in the courts and chambers of House, for a start,…. then the school and Hearts of men teach then to our children and cause them to know the root of truth. Then they will branch out into fruitfulness.
What do we have to fear of truth and goodness? Only the liars fear truth.. Do the the right thing …..have that which calls them out posted freely for all to see..

a cry goes outs…. Lift their skirts

Congressman Paul will never be The President of US simply because he makes SENSE !

Yeah, and lets start by leaking the wiki on his son’s business practices and politics.

RP is not a republican either. Only out of necessity does his name bear the (R) after it.

Read. A. Book.

“Lifting their skirts,” your fathers’ god was a horny SOB, wasn’t he?

There are times when I agree with Ron Paul.

Free press? Where?

Not only are they being complacent with WikiLeaks but they also heeded “advice” from the White House not to post the leaks. That says it all. When the press openly and arbitrarily abides to the mandates of the government of a country, democracy is dead and buried.

Free press? Where?

Not only are they being complacent with WikiLeaks but they also heeded “advice” from the White House not to post the leaks. That says it all. When the press openly and arbitrarily abides to the mandates of the government of a country, democracy is dead and buried.

I completely disagree with you. Every day, I see more and more signs that the Amerikan people are lined up and waiting to be branded…ney, demanding to be branded, like the mindless, servile sheep that they are.

What does that have to do with this subject?

While I’m no fan of rand, and I don’t agree with Dad many times, this time I do. I think he needs encouragement when he’s doing the right thing, and he needs to hear from us with he isn’t.

When you speak like this you show your self unworthy to recieve sight. We are all born blind but some choose to stay that way..

When you speak like this you show your self unworthy to recieve sight. We are all born blind but some choose to stay that way..

He doesn’t always make sense. And believe me if he ever got to be president he would be curtailed greatly.

You really think that the President of the United States really had all that power did you?

way to take the title out of context rawstory. far from supporting Wikileaks, Paul is proposing an extremely far-fetched scenario in which, for some reason, every phone conversation by the Fed Reserve had been recorded. Not the story I was hoping for.

I disagree that more Wikileaks would interfere with free press. I believe it would encourage it.

That’s exactly how I feel too. Good to read an intelligent and factual post, Natalie39.

Let’s save religion for INSIDE the church. Some of us think it is BS.

There’s been a full blown war on the truth longer than that.

One name pops into my mind, reagan the poster boy for corporations the true evil empire.

He’s an extremist, but hardly an idiot. Are you sure you don’t mean rand?

Someone is getting a big Congressional reach-around from Ron Paul or he couldn’t have survived as long as he has.

This back and forth nonsense proves my point exactly. Religion creates never ending arguments…and violence. Leave it in the dark ages where it belongs.

Sounds great doesn’t it? But most of our msm IS controlled by the government.

Granted our Constitution was created to control our government, but the people are the ones who should be controlling our government more.

If you recall the first three words on the Preamble of the Constitution is “We The People.” Yet so many are too lazy or too indifferent to do their real job, “Protect the General Welfare.”

Careful lyris you are starting to sound like a teabagger.

It is a threat to individual liberty.

So now you are saying someone else has the power when during the cheney article you wanted me to provide proof others were running things. Seems neurotic of you.

I consider WikiLeaks is a symptom which came about because of underlying faults.
It is a sign that indicates we need to fix something. WikiLeaks is not a solution to the problem: If free press has to hide on the internet, that’s not a desirable situation.

One shouldn’t forget that many conspiracy theories which circulate in the more shadowy corners of the internet are just that: Conspiracy theories, which are not taken up by the media, because they are plain bonkers.
The fact that WikiLeaks is not ignored by the media makes me hesitant to lump “conspiracy theories” in the same category.

It’s called greed and as far as I’m concerned it’s a mental disease.

I suggest you look up Jacobo Arbenz and the United Fruit Company and see how evil daddy bush was. And while you’re at it Google the words, Prescott Bush and “found guilty of trading with the enemy,” in case you are not aware of how far the evil goes back in the bush family tree.

Ignorant aren’t you boner. Obviously you aren’t clear at all. My advice is stop making stupid posts as you know nothing.

Sheesh Frank, can’t you think of another way of putting it besides what men have written and rewritten over the course of a couple thousand years… all the backroom meetings on what stories to keep in the book or not. And why believe what’s written? Why not believe what is in your heart? Let go of that fear based crap and enter the world of living light in the here and now and follow the one law. Don’t fuck with anyone or their shit.

If I was born blind I guess someone fixed me.

It has everything to do with the subject, because Rand, father and spawn, are slightly mad hypocrites. They want leaks that will embarrass people they don’t like but furiously fight for iron clad privacy for themselves and their friends. You are right that there is too much bogus privacy going on but that includes privacy for politicians, businesses and private citizens alike.

Again your ignorance is getting in your way of clear thinking. What do cheney and bush have in common?

They run corporations, the real owners of our government. I suggest you read books John Perkins wrote such as “Confessions of and Economic Hit Man”, “The Secret History of the American Empire”, and “Hoodwinked”. You may actually start to post more intelligent comments.

at last a voice of reason. there’s nothing here that he’s said that i can’t agree with

Agreed.

That’s not what I’m trying to say.
WikiLeaks is a symptom of underlying problems.
WikiLeaks exists only because national, for profit, professional media organizations can’t do their job for various reasons. WikiLeaks has to do part of it for them.

It doesn’t harm free press.
But if there was a working system in which freedom of press were guaranteed, WikiLeaks would not be needed.

What I’m trying to say is that WikiLeaks is not the problem.
The problem is a lack of free press.
But WikiLeaks is not the solution to that problem either. If free press has to hide on the internet and has to be non-profit to work, that’s not a good solution.
The solution would be watertight legislation which protects the freedom of journalists and protects their sources.

So what you’re saying is that rand doesn’t have a mind of his own? That he follows Dad in everything?

I guess you don’t have any children do you? I have three grown daughters and they are so different from each other, one is even a (God forbid) gop. Their father isn’t a gop, so how do you explain that one?

That’s why we are called individuals…. Think about that for a while.

I don’t appreciate anyone trying to force their religion on me, and apparently others feel the same way. The topic is Ron Paul stating that we need more Wikileaks.

Any opinion on that or are you going to quote Bible verses because you don’t seem to have one of your own?

Religion is man made which is why we have so many wars over it.

I just hope he doesn’t agree with sonny on a lot of things like allowing restaurant owners to forbid Black Americans from enjoying a meal.

So how about not doing business with either one and telling them why? I know I am.

Don’t make a saint out of him yet. There are things I know I disagree with him completely.

They are misguided. They fear more harm will come from the leaks, and maybe they are right, but sometimes this happens when the truth is exposed. Time to think about consequences before they happen.

Great post Natalie39. Agree and liked.

I unsubscribed to them and I let them know why.

You should look into Dennis Kucnich. Talk about a man that speaks the truth! He’s taken on major media outlets, the only one to propose impeachment of Cheney and Bush, against the wars from the get go, goes against major corporations, etc. etc. etc.

This is so typical…
Officials at several major banks have privately raised concerns with Republican leaders that, by allowing Paul to become a chairman, his radical views would gain legitimacy, according to three bank lobbyists.
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_50/b4207035613107.htm

There are also people in power who have been duped.

Ron Paul is a grab bag libertarian. His voting record is just like the rest of the Republicans, all are on the right. I like ‘some’ of Ron Paul’s ideas, but others make me cringe. Like his one world order fanatics with Alex Jones, all while he is pushing for a one world banking system via gold.

I suggest you go back and read about other corruptions in our government in its entire existence.

President Grant, how about the Teapot Dome? Andrew Johnson, come to mind.

And there are many many more.

I am amazed to hear this from Ron Paul. Maybe he is a better man than I thought.
I would however mention that when we describe a bank as “foreign”, we could be describing any or all of them, or none. It is a term that I am not aware of a definition for in this context. Does a foreign name settle it? Or where is the subsidiary you are addressing incorporated? Or would it be, where are the majority stock holders? I have no intention of raising any defense of the Bush bank scam, but before we call out the federal reserve for helping foreign banks, help me understand what we are talking about. I don’t mean what is John Roberts position, I mean what is reasonable to measure.

I’m not so sure about Ron Paul, he is after all a racist.

I was going to suggest you go there instead, then you might see that ending a war is almost as messy as war itself.

Not always. If he had his way our schools would be worse than they are now. Social Security would be privatized, no more medicare, and believe me some day if any of you live long enough you will need it.

I suggest you go back and find out why we have SS and Medicare.

What is even more ironic about those weapons that USA supplied Iraq, is that more Kurds and Iraqi’s were killed under George HW Bush’s sanctions than Saddam could have ever dreams of killing. Then we have O’drama giving Bush Sr that award. What a crock of shit. I believe Bill Hicks’ statement about JFK and when a new President comes in, the powers sit him down and have him watch the assassination from another camera angel. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1123478329757426695#

As I posted before, don’t make him a saint yet, he does have some ideas many of us would oppose and for good reasons.

He would try, but the president has limited powers, basically the power of suggestions and of course being able to sign a bill into law, as well as veto a bill. But if the legislative branch wants to they can override his veto.

Of course there’s also the corporations who OWN our government.

Theodore Roosevelt (Rep.) was the uncle of Eleanor Roosevelt (liberal Dem.)
Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt (Dems.) were the parents of John Roosevelt (Rep.)

Maria Shriver, niece of John F. Kennedy (Dem.) and daughter of Sargent Shriver (Dem.) is married to Arnold Schwarzenegger (Rep.)

John D. (Jay) Rockefeller IV (Dem.) is the nephew of Nelson A. Rockefeller (Rep.) and Winthrop Rockefeller (Rep.)

James Carville (Dem.) is married to Mary Matalin (Rep.), though one wonders how they can stand each other. Point is, families don’t necessarily agree among themselves about political stuff.

King James Bible
Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction

Bible in Basic English
Then he makes his secrets clear to men, so that they are full of fear at what they see

We are currupted with the error of our upbringing, taught Lies and deciept from our youth in our schools.. We have an inkling that something is amiss…But if you see light in the dark tunnel do you not head toward the light?

Rand has it in his heart to head toward some cornner of the light, Let him go to it and bring the less brave good news. The banker have said in their hearts..

The kings of the earth (the bankers) set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, (and those who seek truth.).[saying],

Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords (rules of rightousness) from us.(the cord of those who seek truth, in faith and obediance)

So God Says..in Psalm 109:8

“May his days be few; may another take his place of leadership.”

Can see that God uses who he wants to, He knows who will bring the truth to light after the man of darkness have done to their full what they imagined to do.

None of us are truly good, but those who do seek goodnes and truth are in the eyes of God useful to bring about his will on earth.

Jeremiah 5:3… O LORD, do not your eyes look for truth? You struck them, but they felt no pain;
you crushed them, but they refused correction. They made their faces and hearts harder …

exsposing the truth of the currupt is only the start… what will be done with he information is the true test.

I’m looking forward to the revelstions on the banking business from Wikileaks

Ron Paul stated “I rise to urge the Congress to think twice before thrusting this nation into a war without merit- one fraught with the danger of escalating into something no American will be pleased with.

Thomas Jefferson once said: “Never was so much false arithmetic employed on any subject as that which has been employed to persuade nations that it is in their interests to go to war.”

More on:

http://politicalinquirer.com/2007/10/26/ron-paul-arguments-against-a-war-in-iraq-flashback-from-2002/

As I said there are a few things I do agree with him about.

King James Bible
Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction

Bible in Basic English
Then he makes his secrets clear to men, so that they are full of fear at what they see

We are currupted with the error of our upbringing, taught Lies and deciept from our youth in our schools.. We have an inkling that something is amiss…But if you see light in the dark tunnel do you not head toward the light?

Rand has it in his heart to head toward some cornner of the light, Let him go to it and bring the less brave good news. The banker have said in their hearts..

The kings of the earth (the bankers) set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, (and those who seek truth.).[saying],

Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords (rules of rightousness) from us.(the cord of those who seek truth, in faith and obediance)

So God Says..in Psalm 109:8

“May his days be few; may another take his place of leadership.”

Can see that God uses who he wants to, He knows who will bring the truth to light after the man of darkness have done to their full what they imagined to do.

None of us are truly good, but those who do seek goodnes and truth are in the eyes of God useful to bring about his will on earth.

Jeremiah 5:3… O LORD, do not your eyes look for truth? You struck them, but they felt no pain;
you crushed them, but they refused correction. They made their faces and hearts harder …

exsposing the truth of the currupt is only the start… what will be done with he information is the true test. We have a responsibility to persue the right course with the information that is gathered.

I’m not fan of Clinton, but face it what man doesn’t lie when he’s cornered about having an affair with another woman.

The gop were well aware of that, in fact most if not all of them are just as bad if not worse.

Frankly I don’t care if Clinton had any affairs, I just cared if he was doing a good job, and he did bring about a good economy which chimpy bush destroyed.

I don’t need him. Neither do Black Americans, nor our children, the senior citizens to name a few.

Absolutely correct! We particularly need Wikileaks at this time because the mainstream media does NOT do its job!!!

“The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media.”
— William Colby, former Director of the CIA.

No one is saying he’s all bad, but some of his views aren’t in our best interests.

Foolish, foolish, foolish. If he some how became president he would have to abide by laws, unless he’s a corporatist.

Until you found out a few things you apparently don’t know yet.

Sounds like Boneman is a 12 year old pimpled sheeple that likes to be towed around by Liberals listening to the diarrhea being drooled out of their mouths.

It all goes back to greed doesn’t it?

No where is perfect, but there are a number of great things about our country on paper, the problem is the greedy, the indifferent, the lazy and the ignorant.

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Why is this guy a member of the Republican Party?

Unfortunately there are many people whose brains can be programed by lies. Many of them scared of the truth. I see it every day with the teabaggers and the extreme left.

Funny how the more the people are opposite the more alike they are.

Ron Paul is the only politician who really truly cares about the wellbeing and freedom of the people. He gets a lot of shit, but his message is strong.

Not necessarily true. I know the corporations believe that because without government regulations they can do what they want to do, including poisoning us, charging us more and more and more until we lose everything, and numerous things that have actually happened to many of us because the gop wanted the government off the backs of the corporations, but not us.

THANK GOD that he doesn’t behave like one: Dems and Reps…BOTH part of the problem
and NOT the solution!!!!…..Time to wake up Sye92….You probably think guys like Alex
Jones, Michael Ruppert, G Edw Griffin, Salbuchi, and Lindsey Williams are all full of s#*t
n’est pas?

Wow better read up more on him. There are many things I disagree with him, and I’m sure most of us reading this website will too.

I wondered even before I heard of his son, when he was against many vital government programs that help us.

Now I like Dennis Kucinich, he’s all for the Middle Class Americans.

There are differences with Dad and son, but Dad isn’t ready for sainthood yet. Learn more about him before you get swept by him the way many people did with reagan.

That’s because there isn’t anything that threatens us, only the corrupted.

I would add to your list Dennis Kuchinich. He appears to be an honest man…for a Congressperson.

Can you back up your statement with proof? I have not heard RP say anything racist.

“Talk is cheap.” Unknown Author.

The guy’s a Republican because he’s a free market fundamentalist. I wouldn’t vote for him. but he’s right about a lot of things and the Fed and the need for greater transparency are two such things.

__it happens.

I lean towards liberalism, which comes from the word Liberal. Not all lefties are liberal, at least when some of them see or hear something that doesn’t completely agree with them.

multi national financial firms maybe?

What turnip truck did you fall off of Mile?

That’s right. You agree with him on some matters but agreement is not enough to sway you. You some kind of fruitloop? Do you vote for those that you disagree with? LIke, Obama the Head Liar?

Ya sure, yu betcha….
And there’s no Globalist NWO Elitist agenda either…Right?

AMEN Johnny,…
Preach it Bro!

Yes, I would like to know the truth about 9-11 and who is responsible for bringing guns and drugs into this country and who are the T.I. (targeted individuals).
I have my suspicions but I want to see actual names and faces even if they arent prosecuted. The public deserves the whole truth.

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Kellia, I’m sure Michael means well but I’d like to apologize on behalf of RP supporters. It is wrong and unfair for him to insult you.

I assume you haven’t voted for Ron because he’s in fact a free-market fundamentalist? He is certainly a true believer in principles but you might consider his views on poverty. Ron has said repeatedly that he would not cut child welfare or jobless benefits until people don’t need them. He is in favor of extending jobless benefits, in fact, because those people paid into the system. His ideas include closing down Embassies worth 10B$ each and giving at least half back to those Americans in need. And RP’s views on the Fed are deeply rooted in concern for poor people and minorities. The Fed’s system of funneling money to banks & corporations while inflating prices is a big reason the poor get poorer. So these are very (old-fashioned) liberal, humanitarian policy views that get lost in the rhetoric & marginalization of Ron Paul by most news sources.

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Oh, and he campaigns as a Republicrat because he has to. When he was third party he gave the same great speeches — both people in attendance usually liked them.

I’m pretty sure I grasp the notion that one can be forced to vote against legislation that one wants, because of underlying structural problems. However, I don’t think you can argue that in Paul’s case. He’s superficially a Libertarian, but underneath it all, he’s a Confederate who seeks to do away with federal power and throw lawmaking not just to the states, but to localities. “Freedom”, to him, is the ability to live out any prejudicial impulse you have, under the guise of local laws, unhindered by an overriding Union meta-law. While many of his votes were useful to my own political imperatives, the actual reasoning behind those votes was actually fairly sinister. Maybe you should READ about that.

WOW. I don’t often agree with Ron but I am 100% with him on this one.

Gov’t MUST be exposed. The cowardice of the U.S. response to this is amazing.

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Why did you personally think he was a bad man? Not trying to argue, I’m asking straightforwardly.

When I first heard about Libertarians I was at first elated, but then I soon realized the problem with their Platform. The main complaint is that this Party advocates laize affaire policies that are illustrated in a book called “The Jungle”, the Party believes that Business can regulate itself and that the consumer should inform themselves before being swindled or poisoned by them!! Like most things (unions, governments, law enforcement ) over time they become corrupted and gamed by insiders. Like Communism it assumes people will pull their load together, sadly this has been proved a failure, Capitalism’s dark side and the Libertarian bane is a “Markets Gone Wild” mentality with no oversight and the majority of the citizens kicked to the curb. It is only when you hear them talk about Civil Rights, Public Education, and Total Isolationism policies that you get to the negatives. I do agree with them about the Fed, Drugs, and the current Middle East theater of War, the Constitution & Bill of Rights, and Wikileaks.

I dunno man, I’m a libertarian and I’ve never heard of that book, nor some of the Policy views that you Capitalize. We are the only political group to my knowledge that would open up peaceful negotiations with Iran and North Korea, as Ron Paul would. How is that Isolationism?

Oh shit, Ron Paul is talking sense. He’s gonna be in trouble.

I’m a democrat and I agree with alot of what he says.

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Just because he is right in some of his positions doesn’t negate the fact that he does not support holding the US Military accountable to International Criminal Court (and believe you me, there are plenty of American war criminals), supports free trade, opposes birthright citizenship and amnesty for immigrants, wants to allow states the ability to ban abortion, believes that private property rights will take care of the environment, opposes governmental flu inoculation programs, and opposes the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

So, since Ron Paul isn’t perfect, you’d rather support a complete piece of shit like Obama? I’d rather take the guy that is 95% good, than the guy that is 5% good. That’s like saying “A small area of that pizza is burnt, so I’m just going to go eat some poop instead.”

The truth about 9-11 is that fundamentalists blew up the World Trade Center and damaged the Pentagon because the US has been intervening in the Middle East since at least 1953.

See also: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

Liberalism accepts the social contract, something that not all lefties accept.

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is that the same book that commands us not to eat shellfish and to stone women for things men can get away with – sounds like a wild and crazy bunch of words – try living by ALL of them yourself someday….

Why should it matter if you are a democrat and you agree with Ron Paul… If you are a reasonable and honorable person who cares whats on your voter registration card. The two party dog and pony show is only meant to divide us.

I don’t think you’ve quite understood libertarian ideas. The idea is not that ‘business can regulate itself’, but rather that consumers regulate business. Governments work hand-in-hand with business, not against it. Yes, it is up to people to inform themselves and not blindly purchase things without a thought. What exactly is wrong with expecting people to take responsibility for themselves? Otherwise we end up with an uneducated, juvenile, and wreckless population.

You also make the assumption that all business aims to swindle and poison, which is inaccurate. Some do, of course. But libertarians would still prosecute fraud, and send a lot of these corporate criminals to prison, rather than subsidize them as in the Bank bailout, or give them miniscule fines.

It does not assume that ‘people will pull their load together’, quite the opposite. It is the only system that accepts and uses self-centered greed to benefit the rest of society.

You don’t agree with stripping the federal government of its power to help human beings but you agree with stripping human beings of their power to do the same thing, by forced taxation? Do you really believe that politicians are more good-willed that the common person?

The Fed can print money but it really can’t direct it’s flow very well. That is what congress is for and they seem to think money should be directed away from projects and policies that would put America back on top and use it to create a super wealthy minority. Ron Paul is right about WikiLeaks but he is being dishonest with the American people. His brand of libertarianism depends on the strong arm of the government to extract advantages from the middle class and deliver them to Big businness just like the folks he says he opposes.

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Look out Ron, they’ll be coming after you next!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Great Chris!

I know I am painting with a broad brush, and I don’t confess to knowing the full details. There are many ways of approaching government and because of human nature they just get gamed outrageously. I like debate and various opinions to a point and that is our own governments playing us like a piano. I am not against business nor the consumer’s responsibility but I think many of our problems is the lack of independent Reporters and I believe that the mergers of private media has led to a reduction and in some cases made it harder for ordinary people to seek their own answers.

The book “The Jungle” is an old book about turn of the century conditions in our major cities and many of the conditions were caused by private businesses that were able to get away with it. Sweat Shops, Child Labor, no benefits for workers at all, no redress of grievances, and “no oversight at all ” in the food industry. I am all for negotiations with other Countries and I am not against militarily helping Countries if we are attacked or any other, but using War for Commerce ( oil, cheap labor,) sucks and we are using our men and women as corporate pawns…..spread democracy ( that’s bull ) !!

Just go to the library an check out some political classics like: The Jungle…1984…Slaughterhouse 5…..Man and Superman…A tale of two Cities..1984 etc. They are the Heroes of Assange and of Ron Paul too!

Genow!

If Ron had that much guile…he would be further along than hes is.

Nothing is perfect. We do not live in a perfect world. A utopia is impossible. It is clear that the economic system has HUGE pitfalls and nearly drove this nation and indeed the world off a cliff. Yes, I think government can work for the humane interests of its people when needed and I do not think the whole can count on the good of the “common person.” The common person can be horrendous not to mention utterly greedy. There must be some semblance of concern and power that the government is entrusted with to help people when they cannot help themselves and now SURELY is a time. I do NOT want to count on the “common man” for anything. I might love my neighbor next door but maybe don’t like so much my neighbor one street over.

Maybe that was Lenin…Mao was usually more direct…he said “Ta-tan Ta-tan” (meanimg ‘talk-fight talk fight.’) They still operate that way

Exactly where the criminal Republican party wants to drags us all…back to the 19th century and its working conditions.

Exactly where the criminal Republican party wants to drags us all…back to the 19th century and its working conditions.

Exactly where the criminal Republican party wants to drags us all…back to the 19th century and its working conditions.

Exactly where the criminal Republican party wants to drags us all…back to the 19th century and its working conditions.

Exactly where the criminal Republican party wants to drags us all…back to the 19th century and its working conditions.

These religious nuts cannot live by their crazy Bible, but they will surely judge YOU by it.

Wiki Leaks is more news than a decade of the F~ing M$M “news”

Give Julian Assange the Nobel Prize ~ one of the bravest men on the planet

Dear Fordneri,

You have things completely backwards.

Libertarianism, “Ron Paul’s brand”, depends on the strong arm of the government to be LIMITED to the Constitution so that it does NOT “extract advantages” for anyone. In fact, that is the whole point of the Declaration of Independence which enunciates the reason for the establishment of the U.S.A.. It’s clear, Ron Paul’s clear, which makes me think your attempt to discredit is dishonest.

Oh ron Paul, only wants the truth how if its suits him best. Just like any other GOP member.

Watch out Ronny baby. Joe the schmo LIEberman will cross the rotunda and btich slap ya

Umm, example please?

Ron Paul’s a man of his word. Where do you see otherwise?

Actually its the reverse. Corporation pay politicians to create regulations that benefit them or only they can afford to do. Now the politicians Name the header of the Bill something nice that everyone likes but inside the bill its all about helping their friends and limiting competition to their friends.

Take Obama care, if me or you start a hamburger shop we have to pay the costs while McDonalds gets a exemption

Ron Paul is practically the only honest politician out there, even if your a democrat if your tired of the lies please support Ron Paul. This is war and the enemy of my enemy is my friend. remember that.

Maybe they could put aside some differences and run together

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Obama does nothing and gets a Nobel Prize. Assange exposes law breaking and corruption and earns an arrest warrant.

We’re saying Rand doesn’t have a mind PERIOD. Just like all the know-nothings who voted for him.

Welcome to life at the top. Here’s your monocle, servants, and complementary government official, who will make any of your problems “go away”.

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Reasonable people don’t vote. Honorable people don’t support either the Democratic party or a faux Republican wing-bat.

Oh wow! A free market capitalist has a couple of good ideas! Let’s vote for him! Who care’s that he’s a complete wing-bat?

Consumers regulate business like a Gazelle regulates a pack of Lions. Advertising and marketing practices have become very predatory, to the point that corporations are ‘branding’ people from a very young age (yes you guessed it, infancy). Believing that people can inform themselves when it is painfully obvious that the most common mediums for informing oneself are dominated by corporations is inexplicably naive.

Nobody makes the assumption that the aims of businesses are to swindle and poison, instead people know this to be true. A business’s sole motivation is profit. There is nothing built into a business that prevents any sort of manipulation or regulation, and businesses will do whatever is allowed.

“It is the only system that accepts and uses self-centered greed to benefit the rest of society.”

And that is why it is a flawed ‘system.’ Humans do not survive by being selfish creatures. They survive through cooperation. That is how humans got out of Africa, that is how humans build roads, and that is how humans will prevail in the future, not by being selfish individualists — that is how you end up dead.

Are all the 9-11 ‘truthers’ on this site Government agents or complete idiots?

Fuck you.

Idiot.

You mean YOUR interests. You don’t speak for us all lyris.

No sir, fuck you. You conspiracy nuts are making it easy to dismiss people who question WHY WE WERE ATTACKED, a question worth asking.

Interesting. You call Ron Paul a “wingbat” over and over, yet agree with yet another one of his core beliefs: blowback.

I suspect, from your comments, that you are concerned about free-market capitalism, when perhaps what you’re really thinking of is corporatism–that’s a whole different beast.

@psychodelic

1. Ron Paul would oppose the ICC, not because certain Americans aren’t guilty, but because it undermines American sovereignty. I doubt Paul would have a problem with American courts trying those same individuals.

2. Not sure why you think Free Trade is a bad thing.

3. Paul’s argument against birthright citizenship is based upon the fact that it creates a “perverse incentive” to enter the US illegally. In other words, we reward people for sneaking into the US by automatically granting their child citizenship, which consequently grants them a certain degree of immunity. But Paul’s bigger argument with respect to immigration is the welfare state. The welfare state is really the only negative consequence of illegal immigration because it allows more people, who aren’t even citizens, to leech off of America’s wealth. The ‘stealing of jobs’ issue is a moot point because in a free market if there is a demand for labor, it doesn’t matter who fills it.

4. Under the constitution, states should have the power to regulate abortion.

5. The market will take care of the environment so long as the consumer demands it. If the people don’t really care, businesses won’t either. The same could be said for politicians. Cap and Trade is a great example of why we should limit the governments involvement.

6. The government has no authority to force someone to inject something into their body.

7. He opposes it because it greatly increased the role of government in private enterprise and in many ways has continued the practice of identifying people by race rather than ability (through hiring quotas, affirmative action, etc).

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Oh yeah, you got me.

Since I agree with Ron Paul on one issue, I should forget about the rest of his beliefs and just accept that he is just a splendid guy. Never mind that he wants to allow states the ability to ban abortions, believes that private property rights will take care of the environment, opposes governmental flu inoculation programs, and also opposes the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

I am concerned about free-market capitalism just as I am concerned about the eventual end product of free-market capitalism; fascism (if by corporatism you mean the domination of policy by corporations, not the system of economic, political, or social organization that views a community as a body based upon organic social solidarity and functional distinction and roles amongst individuals.)

Thanks to Bernie Sanders for passing a law requiring some audit and transparency of The Fed, through which we’re getting this new information.

Hey psycho eat this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHIj9wzbYGQ

STFO!

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I take it you have no fucking clue what I meant. Being one of the few Republicans to actually stick to their guns means something in my book, whether or not I agree with all their stances. That makes Paul a rarity. I think you should take reading comprehension over again.

Why does Ron Paul wish the government to have no oversight or regulations over these Global Empires after the way they have S…. us in the past century.

Without the government the middle class , seniors and others have no say in how these corporations attack and destroy us.

Lack of regulations is what has let our U.S. jobs be sent overseas today.
Lack of regulations and oversight is why the banking empire has taking our tax money and did what they d… well please with it.
Including giving and investing it in overseas corporations and countries.
Look what they did too many American’s 401k and savings when they gambled it away , which they should have been prosecuted for and not giving our tax money to receive higher salaries and bonuses with.

The government was created for the protection , safety and oversight of the people (weak) and not corporations.particularly the way in which corporations have developed into a Global Monopoly.
They no long have any concern or interest in the citizens of this country except for a dollar sign placed on their forehead for their profits.

Different Americans love to pick and choose the type of action which they wish to receive from the government.
But without this government we would not have come this far and created a great nation.
The problem now , corporations which are no longer are U.S. corporations have group together with other nations to control labor wages , cut worker benefits and use the world as a slave market to fix their needs.

So I guess the fact that he received more donations from every minority and students than any other GOP candidate has no bearing on what you just said, right? Oh, and one more thing: seniors? Fuck the seniors.

They’re the ones that got us in this mess by kicking the can down the road and living high on the hog. We should spare them as much turmoil as possible, but why should we cater to their inertia? They will refuse all the necessary societal changes because they long ago became rigid orthdox conservatives. The Baby Boomers will soon join them.

I say it’s time to end the old, Christian white America as soon as possible. And ironically, the best chances we have of doing that is with a caucasian septuagenarian from Texas.

I’d more specifically suggest End the Fed. It’s the most germane.

Exactly who were these muslim fundamentalist who blew up the WTC?

BBC already reported that many of the 9-11 hijackers are alive and well.
FBI eventually admitted the hijackers list might not be totally accurate.

What about the passports of alledge hijackers found in the rubble?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1559151.stm

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2001/Sep-16-Sun-2001/news/17011253.html

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/22/911.commission/index.html

1. The ICC is governed by an Assembly of States parties, in which the United States would have ample representation and influence. You say that Ron would have no problem with American courts trying Americans for War Crimes. However, this does not happen, because the US government will never have an interest in making its military or politicians look bad. Just like in Nazi Germany; no court ever tried any German for any War Crimes.

2. Free trade sets up the situation where it is the financial interests of US corporations to outsource jobs. Free trade is a form of colonialism or imperialism; it allows US corporations to curtail US environmental or labor regulations by freely setting up shop in other countries where they pay minimal amounts of money for long hours of abusive and dangerous work, and gives the US government the interest to support governments (or anti-democratic forces for that matter) in other countries that agree to these Free Trade agreements, regardless of any repressive activities or methods of consolidating power of said Governments.

3. Ah, the age old ‘anchor baby’ myth. After an alien mother (or father) has been present for no less than ten years, the alien may apply for Cancellation of Removal (aka Cancellation”) if she can prove ten years of good moral character and that deporting her would be an exceptional and extremely unusual hardship to her US citizen child. This is an unusual form of relief as there is an annual cap of 4000 on the number of illegal immigrants who can be granted Cancellation, and for the past several years the government has not reached that cap. This means that under 4000 people are granted this type of Cancellation annually. Also, a US Citizen may not petition for another family member’s Green Card until they reach the age of 21. You are mistaken.

4. Securing universal rights is not something that can be delegated to the States, and nowhere in the constitution does it say so. There are certain rights that must and can be universally enforced under the constitution, and the right to control your own body is certainly one of them.

5. The market dictates what the consumer wants. Corporations are driven by profits, and profits are never as big as when the same corporations control the means of gathering information as well as the means of production. Corporations control television, news agencies — they bombard us with billboards and advertisements; advertising and marketing is extremely manipulative THEY tell us what to buy. Corporations will do whatever they want, whenever they want, and how they want. If their consumers don’t like pollution, they will conceal their pollution rather than stop polluting, because for the most part it is cheaper. The only reason they (sometimes) don’t is because of the minimal regulation put in place by the Federal and States governments.

6. The Government certainly has the authority to force vaccinations, it is a public health issue. How do you think the Government has curbed diseases like Polio, Measles, Hep A or Hep B, etc? It’s simply ridiculous to oppose inoculations, especially since there is very little risk involved given the benefits. However every state except for West Virginia and Missouri allows for religious exemption. Twenty states allow parents to cite personal or philosophical reasons in order to be exempt. However lack of immunizations has been linked to an increasing amount of disease outbreaks.

7. By ‘increasing the role of government in private enterprise’ what you really mean to say is that the bill made it illegal for companies to discriminate against women or minorities. Incidentally, it ended unequal voter registration practices, segregation in schools, at the work place, and at facilities that served the general public. It did not, as you have claimed, establish hiring quotas or mandate affirmative action — Affirmative Action was enacted by Executive Order 10925 signed into law by John F. Kennedy.

I agree. Americans do no have any common sence. If anyone speaks out you are margiinilized, Either Drunks or Crazy. Ugly situation. Shut up or put up. If we do not shut up we will be marginilized or killed, just like Hitler.

The BBC reported that one of the suspected terrorists was in fact alive and well. He was suspected, obviously, because he was a Muslim and attended the same flight school as the terrorists did. Do you know how often investigators have a suspect that turns out to be completely innocent? ALL THE TIME, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE FBI CAN’T SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TERRORIST AND A MUSLIM!!!!

Another suspected terrorist lost his passport in Denver. There are NUMEROUS ways that his passport could have ended up in the hands of the actual terrorists — what is more plausible? That a passport of a Muslim man was picked up by a terrorist for — let’s say, terrorizing — or that the FBI planted the passport of some random Arab in order to blame the attacks on someone who was obviously still alive and obviously had nothing to do with the attacks. Don’t you think the FBI would have done its homework?? In any case the passport could have been picked up by a random innocent civilian who was in attendance for the attacks. Is it evidence for a conspiracy? If you want it to be — sure. Not for me though.

“What about the passports of alledge hijackers found in the rubble?”

What about the passports of the alleged hijackers found in the rubble? You seem a bit confused.

Why were were attacked:

It’s because the terrorists hate our freedoms.

The terrorists just happen to be the neocons

Cheney’s buttboy? Don’t you think that if more people had focused on how 9-11 was used to bring us into two illegal wars instead of obviously batty 9-11 conspiracy theories that maybe there would have been enough public outcry to try Bush and Cheney for war crimes?

You and the rest of you dumb ass conspiracy nuts are Cheney’s best friends as far as I’m concerned.

I take it you are implying that the neocons are terrorists because they attacked the twin towers on 9-11 then sit down and shut the hell up.

While I agree that the neocons are terrorists, I believe they are terrorists for a different reason: illegal wars, bombings of civilians, rendition flights, torture, support for anti-democratic forces in South America, etc.

And George Bush is on a book tour-Go figure.

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

I’m sick of your stupid Building 7 BULLSHIT. Goddamn it — WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE.

With so many pezzonovante mad at him, Assange is clearly doing something right. How many people can piss off the whole world without firing a shot?

Our only satisfaction with bu$h is knowing he will burn in hell for three eternities.

When will Interpol put this much pressure on Big Dick Cheney?

Paul, like all libertarians, is a neoconfederate traitor. Fuck him in the ass by ten gorillas with AIDS.

Thanks Ron… I was really confused as to why everyone was condemning Assange. They are going to suppress him if they can get their hands on him and we’ll all be the poorer for it. The banks must be freaking out about the guy because of his next promised expose and I can only hope someone hides him quick. Guys like him spread needed sunshine wherever the establishment tries to keep it dark… and also all of us in the dark. I am far too Left for the Paul dynasty but Dad hit it out of the park on this one.

Libertarians are neoconfederate traitors. Fuck ‘em all in the ass by ten gorillas with AIDS.

Who hates laws? Criminals. All resluglikkklans are criminals, all libertarians are neoconfederate traitors.

You agree with alot of what he says? I say A LOT of what he says is neoconfederate treason.

You’re a dumbass. Reasonable people vote because it’s our only hope.

Paul is a neoconfederate traitor.

Libertarians are neoconfederate traitors.

Most of us are holmes. I’m glad that you aren’t fooled by this to think he would make a great president.

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Wrong we were attacked because of what we’ve done to the Middle East and our ties with Israel.

Oh, so they are willing to kill many of hundreds of thousands, but not here, of course.
And, you believe they lie about everything – everything except 9/11. On that, they are to be trusted. Very smart.

I suggest you look into what President Obama did accomplished even with the gop and the blue dogs doing their best to prevent it.

Apparently you know nothing about what’s going on around you. But then many other lazy, ignorant and indifferent Americans are just like you.

This is courageous leadership…putting The People’s interests first. The United States Congress can take a lesson from Ron Paul in this matter OR re-read The First Amendment: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

Amen to that!

No he or she is correct. He wants corporations to be regulated free which is what we had with chimpy/shooter in power. Look how that did to our economy.

Many are lazy, indifferent or stupid.

If you are so weak and so full of despair that you believe that voting is your only hope for empowerment, then it is you that is the dumb ass. If you can settle for the choice between a Democrat or a Republican, both of which are dominated by corporate interests, then you are a truly weak and pitiful human being.

My advice to you is, stop voting. You’ll notice that nothing changes. Then maybe you’ll take some direct action. Get involved locally. If there are some cops going around busting kids for small amounts of drugs, blow up their cars when they’re sitting at they police station. If the bosses at your job are pieces of shit and you don’t get any benefits, organize a strike. If you see people starving on the street or with out homes, organize them and teach them to squat houses and live off the grid. If you notice a large corporation fracking for natural gas or doing something else to damage the environment, blow it the hell up, or organize a sit in if you want to avoid felony bomb making charges.

Enough of being meek, enough of just sitting there and fucking taking it. It’s time to dish it out.

We haven’t had a free market in this country for a very long time. Bush did not deregulate. He doubled the size of the federal government.

What matters is that people are being taken for a ride with Ron Paul. There may be a couple of things he’s said I agree with, but I disagree on his basic beliefs.

I want the Department of Education, I want Social Security the way it is, not privatized so Wall Street can steal it. I want my Medicare, and I want other programs that our government is involved with.

Do you want your bridge you drive over safe? Trust me you do, I had two collapsed after I drove over them. Believe me it’s unnerving. Ron Paul wants to do away with our government watching over that.

Yes the Government is willing to kill many people to achieve their economic goals. So what makes you think that you are so special that you can be privy to this information — and yet you aren’t FUCKING DEAD?

The Government lies — yes — and we know the Government lies because there is almost always EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY. In regards to 9-11 THERE IS NONE.

It’s a relief, really.

Reasonable people do vote they also let their elected officials know when they are in agreement or disagreement with how they vote.

It’s unreasonable, ignorant, lazy, indifferent and stupid people who don’t vote.

You need some serious help for your paranoia psychodelic. Psychopathic is a better user name for you.

He’s the original teabagging/gop.

New Wikileaks Addy: http://46.59.1.2/

Since corporations are gobbling each other up, I can’t trust any of them to not poison us or swindle us.

It’s easy enough to state that we have to educate ourselves, but who knows everything about the medications we take, or the loan we signed for when it has complicated wording and small print and pages and pages of small print.

No, Libertarians are not our friends, they’re the same as the rest of the teabagging/gop.

I am not so special at all – just one of many millions who (finally) woke up.
For many years I believed as lyris (above) does.

The evidence is not concealed any longer.
Here is a good place to start:
http://www.ae911truth.org/

All the best.

I’m looking forward to the cables about UFOs. Now that should be interesting.

New Wikileaks Addy: http://46.59.1.2/

When businesses keep looking for loop holes to cheat us, we need government intervention.

Compared to Der Fuhrer, he’s Bertrand Russell himself.

When is the Interpol going to go after George W. Bush, Dick Cheney & his warmonging administration, the Skull and Bones Society, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderberg Group and indict them for their War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity?

Perhaps more Wikileaks would lead to a free press? Then again, maybe a meteorite would land on Murdoch’s head.

Wikileaks now: http://46.59.1.2/

Libertarians don’t like rules. They are as bad as the teabagging/gop. In fact the teabagging/gop have libertarians as members.

Compared to Der Fuhrer, he’s a Rationalist. Remember, Der Fuhrer claims he prays everyday.

the ideal Gotham City doesn’t need Batman. In the meantime, the Dark Knight does what he has to.

it is refreshing to see someone intelligent shoot down the arguments of idealistic fools. Not that I necessarily agree fully with the extremity of your views, but you cogently and correctly refute flawed logic with some clarity.

In Massachusetts there was a factory fire where many employees were killed because of no fire escapes or doors to help them get out of the factory safely.

Many, mostly women jumped so they wouldn’t die in the fire.

We don’t need libertarians. We need regulations.

All well and good but what about in the future when some stupid gop will do the same blunders of chimpy/shooter and the gop in the 1920′s and we have another mess.

Everything happens in cycles because people don’t seem to learn from past mistakes.

I think you’ve perfectly displayed the problem with most Libertarians: historical ignorance.

All of these passe “States Rights” and “Small, Limited Government” ideas have been played out many times before. The Libertarian ideal is essentially a confederacy. That form of government clearly doesn’t work. It’s why the South lost, and why the UN is so ineffective.

Unfortunately, Libertarians generally believe they’re smarter than Liberals and Conservatives and have somehow uncovered some Great Secret regarding the way things ought to be. Most of them need to read a good history book or two.

If anyone is a fruitloop it’s you michael. Apparently you don’t know as much as you think you do.

Try reading and studying the Constitution, you might just find out how little you know.

I am grateful to Bernie Sanders…but I wonder whether wikileaks had some effect on how suddenly this information, with had been hidden for 2 years, was released. If wikileaks had released this information and not our govt, there would have been an endless uproar. Just wondering.

It’s unreasonable and ignorant to realize that the only candidates who have a chance in hell of winning in 99% of all elections are basically the same? Sure, Democrats typically support weak social programs, to the point where people aren’t as pissed off as they should be, but for the most part they represent the same corporate interests that the Republicans do.

I’m indifferent because I don’t vote — even though that when I lived in the United States (3 months ago I moved to Bolivia) I was involved locally by helping people organize Hotel workers with Unite Here, and was a member of Cop Watch? That somehow makes me stupid — because I realize that voting wasn’t going to change a damn thing? I’m lazy because I realize that I can only attempt to make a difference in the community that I live in?

The laws in the US aren’t decided by you and me. The laws are decided by people in the pockets of large corporations — granted, here in Bolivia there is much more cause for hope, if I were a citizen damn right I would vote, but the situation is different here. People aren’t afraid to organize, people aren’t afraid to take to the streets (and I mean REALLY take to the streets) — if anything that is what has forced changes here, not voting. Voting was an afterthought. (After hundreds of years of white, Spanish blooded Bolivians running a 65% indigenous country – a cocalero somehow managed to get into the Presidents office, but only because of the massive mobilizations of cocaleros and Aymara and Quechua Indians — if Evo Morales hadn’t won the election they probably would have taken over in a Revolution anyway.)

I guess my point is that for real change to happen there needs to be a social movement, there needs to be involvement, a revolution if you will, but Americans — Americans who VOTE — are too unreasonable, ignorant, lazy, indifferent and stupid to ORGANIZE against corporatism, greed and corruption. Americans live they’re petty lives watching Bristol Palin on reality TV, and once a year they vote and NOTHING HAPPENS. That is reasonable? That takes effort??

Involvement in a cooperative society doesn’t involve punching a ticket into a ballot box (or a Diebold Voting Machine) its about making a difference in your community and truly fighting and taking direct action against injustices that take place right in front of your face — and right now in America, that does NOT involve voting.

Either way, no matter what the laws are and no matter where I am, I am going to make a difference for whats good when I can — so you can take your vote and shove it up your ass.

Yeah free trade did a great thing to us didn’t it? Many of our jobs went to China, wasn’t that great? Unemployment sky rocketed, isn’t that grand?

The quality that we took pride in is gone, the Chinese poisoned our pets, our babies, the toys our children play with.

Yeah let’s give three cheers for free trade.

I suggest a National Leak Week…but first buy a condom to protect you against the trumped up consensual sex charge.

Maybe not in this situation, but I don’t like a lot of what he stands for.

By the way if you think I’m paranoid because of my statements regarding blowing up cop cars and corporations that pollute. Please know that I was half-joking.

It is also surprising to see someone who’s proven themselves to be so fucking intelligent in their posts and responses to espouse a view so extreme. Typical Fight Club bullshit. “If we’re all Tyler Durden, things’ll change.”

Turns out it doesn’t work that way. David Koresh tried that. Ruby Ridge. This terrorist (before “terrorist” became synonmous with Muslim) motherfucker called Tim McVeigh blew up a whole bunch of kids in his crusade against the government. Did he win?

No.

You try to blow up cop cars at the station? They will find you and persecute/prosecute you.
You try to get a strike going? Your co-workers better agree or “Right To Work” states will fire your ass.
You squat/live off the grid? Admirable, but difficult. Time and labor intensive…and always risky (government can always cite eminent domain)

You say we’re ruled by wolves…but the wolves have guns. Approaching them with the sticks and arrows of individualistic, extreme, small-time actions is juvenile.

Assange’s action is certainly not small time. He’s got some help. He’s also making a lot of noise.

The system is too complex to be rebuilt from scratch. The only way to fix the system is to Refactor it. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_refactoring) It’s a long, painful process…but it’s the only thing that will work.

That means working within the system. Voting. More importantly, as you said, “organizing”…getting others to vote with you. That’s how these Mormons got Prop 8 passed. Neo-Conservatives have been more effective at using the Internet in the past 2 years to mobilize their base and get their message across than Progressives. Every Yahoo fucking article these days has 1st/2nd post some neo-con nutjob spouting hate or bullshit.

The only way to fight back effectively is to vote, organize, and defeat from within.

Thank you! Sometimes I get a little carried away, I know.

I like Dennis Kucinich too. Certainly a better man than Ron Paul.

Without “forced taxation”, we have no Interstate Highway System. Without “forced taxation”, we have no ARPA developing the ARPA developing the ARPANET in the 1960s as a public funded university level research project. Just in case you haven’t read a fucking book, the ARPANET became the Internet…

Which you’re now using to deride the idea of taxation in the general sense by somehow arguing that all taxation limits individual freedom, despite the fact that the result of that taxation in the 1960s-1990s now allows you to freely espouse your opinion.

Wants to remove the voting rights and other laws that protect Black Americans and other minorities.

That racist enough for you?

Most of the time he marches to the party line. Look at his voting records.

The Democratic Party has some bad apples, but if their constituents didn’t vote for them they wouldn’t be in power.

Well said.

Any intelligent argument with outrageous claims should be backed up with sources. Otherwise it’s Faux News. Prove he’s a racist. Cite a credible source.

Lord one Ron Paul is quite enough, bad enough the people of Kentucky were dumb enough to elect him.

In fact, he balanced the budget. Effectively reformed welfare. That’s just the tip of the iceberg regard his _real_, _effective_ policy decisions.

But I guess he was a terrible President ‘cuz he liked blowjobs, right social conservative judges?

Keep in mind I was not serious about blowing up cop cars, and I’ll admit that I think that voting can be effective at times, smaller elections — local shit.

You say the only way to fight back effectively is to vote, organize and defeat from within.

I think organizing is probably the most effective way to make changes to our communities and what surrounds us. Almost every single major social change that has been achieved has been preceded by a large social movement — civil rights — women’s suffrage — labor laws — people who were pissed off got together to the extent that politicians were forced concede on the issues that were making people pissed. In my mind it is a form of appeasement — it has very little to do with voting, especially on a Federal level where both parties have obvious ties to large corporations. My assessment of what happened during these various social movements is that people being organized in such an intense fashion was bad for business (riots, people not working, people not going out and buying things) — and as such their pawns in the Government passed laws to keep people happy enough that business as usual could continue.

Projecting are you omegapointed head 7?

Prove that I’m an idiot. Do you really think you know so much when you can’t even post an intelligent post?

Do you even understand what the three branches of our government rights are?

Or are you some dull normal teabagging/gop trolling the grown ups’ forum?

You certainly provided a lot of evidence for your “complete piece of shit” characterization. Betting you’re a real pinnacle of intelligence. Like George W. Bush, you “go with your gut”

Turns out it went into saving the economy and making taxpayers a PROFIT. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/29/washington-post-taxpayer_n_517318.html

Try reading sometime.

Don’t forget rand messed around in college with the aqua buddah and pot. Apparently it affected his brain.

Are you literally a fucking idiot? Have you not heard of Shay’s Rebellion, or what the Founding Fathers thought about the weak, ineffective, and doomed to failure Articles of Confederation?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problems_with_the_articles_of_confederation#Weaknesses_of_the_Articles_of_Confederation
Please consider growing a brain.

You keep saying this. Why don’t you educate people by providing a running list so they can verify for themselves?

The fact is many of those minorities who donated do not know all of what he stands for, and apparently neither do you.

As for your crude imbecilic remarks about seniors, I just wish you would live long enough to be one and have someone like you make the same remark about you.

Most of us did NOT get us into this situation. Most of us worked hard, raised our families even helped our grown children with their children.

You clearly know nothing.

I always thought there was something wrong with Gotham City anyway.

If only Commissioner Gordon would whip his boys into something resembling a police force, but no… One guy with mask and cape has to do all the dirty work…

The only disturbing this about this WikiLeaks thing is that if all these cables contain nothing of importance, it’ll just make it much harder for the next military private to supply data to WikiLeaks, and get WikiLeaks a whole bunch of shit for basically not much gain. Unless they gain enough support from people believing in Assange’s greater mission to become Too Big To Kill, which may be what they’re banking on.

I speak for most of us. The ones who want school standards for our children’s education, the clothes they wear, the toys they play with, the cribs and other furniture they use. Corporations don’t care about those standards. Look what’s happened in the previous administration when they removed regulations.

I suggest omegapointy head that you shut up and for once learn something before striking out at others. You keep making a fool of yourself.

Yes I would. Go troll somewhere else chris, you’re an idiot and are projecting, if anyone is a piece of s_it it’s you.

Ah bonehead is back to pollute the forum.

So you didn’t hear about the DEREGULATION that was going on forrr oh say eight years, more if you count Clinton who never thought about the abuses that would follow.

You are clearly wrong and there are millions of people who know for a fact that you are wrong.

I suggest you look at all the problems we have because big pharma was allowed to have their medicines put on the market BEFORE they were properly tested.

Libertarians never look beyond their noses and their greed.

He deregulated the corporations. Where have you been?

Granted he made the federal government larger but not to protect us from the corporations. I suggest you look that one up again, but in a more reliable source as your’s is wrong.

In case you don’t know this, reagan also made our federal government larger too. Guess wanting small government is another gop lie tells.

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I used to have many books in my own library including the ones you mention. And I read them as well.

Ron Paul is a threat to Middle Class, minorities and children in this country as he wants to take away the government programs that protects all of them.

While Ron Paul may have said some good things doesn’t make him someone I want to risk my and my family’s life on. We need regulations, we need the various departments our government have.

Hahahahaha we get it…. you’ve only said that like 10 times on this thread.

Why don’t you look for yourself? I recalled awhile back when he was interview on t.v. one morning when he stated he was against the Department of Education, Social Security, Medicare. He said “Dismantle every agency except the Justice and Defense Departments.

I don’t know about you, but I’ve been on two bridges that collapsed not long after I was on them, in Connecticut. One on I95 over the Miantis River, the other in West Hartford,CT.

This happened in the 1980′s when reagan refused to fund maintaining them.

Imagine buildings with no government standards, and he wouldn’t have any government program for standards on foods like meat. Again something the gop neglected.

When it comes to these issues Ron Paul is nuts.

Wait, wait, wait, wait……. you said it yourself. The Government is perfectly okay with killing a lot of people. You claim that many millions (I highly doubt there are many millions of conspiracy nuts) have evidence that the US was involved in a False Flag attack, so tell me — why aren’t they all dead? The US has no problem fabricating a terrorist attack, but when it comes to keeping it covered up they just throw up their hands and say ‘fuck it?’

I don’t get it.

Anyways I guess I’ll wish you all the best as well…. but check out this site (I will check out your link and probably laugh heartily for a few minutes, maybe you can do the same for my link.)

http://www.debunking911.com/index.html

Sorry, the problem with posting is that we can’t always be sure when one is serious or not.

Don’t apologize. I should have known people would take me seriously…. especially considering the amount of loons that post comments to Raw Story.

I think mainly I’m just trying to find out if the FBI will come all the way to Bolivia to knock on my door.

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Here you go again. Social Programs that are weak? If they are weak it’s because the gop did everything to weaken them as well as our economy.

Now do you feel Kucinich is just like Franks? Or Barbra Boxer is like Blanche Lincoln? Russ Feingold like Dodd? Sorry to see Feingold go.

You couldn’t be more wrong.

We have more of a challenge because the majority of corporations contribute to the gop, and thanks to the fascist five on the supreme court they were able to donate even more and stated that we didn’t have the right to know who those corporations are, or how much they donate.

Yes there are some bad Democrats and some of them were fired by their constituents. Good riddance to them. Who needs the blue dogs?

Let’s see what happens in two years. It should be interesting.

wake up lyris, we bailed out the european social democratic bankrupt system twice in 3 years. there are many calculators that will show you what you could have if the government did not take your retirement away from you to start a war in vietnam. the one thing bush had right was private accounts for young people. the ponzi scheme is collapsing….don’t you liberals see what is happening? your revolution is over! welcome to the NWO… a corporate police state where everything goes to the elite and you are told to eat a “green revolution” of living like a serf again…like you did before 1776.

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I know you liberals love Bush’s third term, and love to hate the liberty that shines a light on this dark world, call it racist, call it radical, call it whatever boring pejorative that will keep you good and dizzy on your partisan merry-go-round.

psychodelic, take the mushrooms out of your mouth. if you believe the “couple guys in caves bring down the US” theory, you are the conspiracy nut.

even the feds admit to half million dollar payments from intelligence services. short selling unsolved, plenty of foreknowledge. for you to bully people that continue to ask questions about the event being used to justify our freedom being completely stripped from us on an ongoing, relentless basis is the most despicable bullshit. fuuuuuuck you.

the truth is, you are uncomfortable dealing with the fact that you aren’t told everything.

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“I didn’t know you were kidding when you posted that reasonable people don’t vote. Or that there is no differences between the Democrats or gop, and we vote and are proud to.”

In regards to voting I feel that voting in local elections is valid. Federal elections are a joke. I also feel that too many Americans simply go to the polls and think their civic duty is complete…… and that’s total bullshit. Voting in a Federal Election gives people a false sense of empowerment. Social change is not achieved through voting but through organizing and rabble rousing.

In regards to the differences between the Dems and the GOP…. of course there are differences between the two. My point was that effectively that both parties are corporate parties. One may be more entrenched in corporatism than the other, but at the end of the day they both basically represent corporations. Sure, there are Democrats like Dennis Kucinich, but they are largely ineffectual.

By the way I’m from Massachusetts. Oh and FUCK the blue dogs. They didn’t complain about spending billions of dollars to get us into the Iraq War, but when it comes to Health Care reform they get their fannies in a bunch. No good sons of bitches.

“if you believe the “couple guys in caves bring down the US” theory, you are the conspiracy nut.”

Oh of course those barbaric Muslims who live in caves couldn’t have possibly attacked the great white United States of America. Do you know how racist that is?

“even the feds admit to half million dollar payments from intelligence services. short selling unsolved, plenty of foreknowledge”

Would you mind submitting a link so I can debunk it? Your explanation is rather lacking.

“for you to bully people that continue to ask questions about the event being used to justify our freedom being completely stripped from us on an ongoing, relentless basis is the most despicable bullshit. fuuuuuuck you.”

What is despicable, aside from the way you word your sentences, is that not one ‘truther’ has so far ever presented to me credible evidence that would suggest that 9-11 was an inside job. It simply does not exist. How can so many people fall for such ridiculousness? It really makes me question the strength of the American education system.

“the truth is, you are uncomfortable dealing with the fact that you aren’t told everything”

Um…. okay Sigmund Freud. Are you trying to psychoanalyze me? Are you sure you don’t want to revise your findings? Maybe my denial of 9-11 conspiracy theories is the result of my desire to kill my father in order to have sex with my mother.

How about this? Do some research, compile a — let’s say — three paragraph essay containing all the evidence you believe to be credible indicating that 9-11 was an inside job. I will counter your three paragraphs. Let’s see if you can do that, here on this public forum. Who knows? Maybe you’ll uncover something compelling.

Actually I really doubt that.

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Im not going to argue with you. You can believe what you want to believe
but I find it illogical that some their passports were not burned up with the bodies and planes and were amazingly found in all that wreckage.

Your posts are self evident. You’re just another wingnut. You’re also a racist pedophile.

You need regulations because you are a weak coward. An untermensch. All of these government standards have not improved our lives. Are you religious?

Clinton’s policies are responsible for the current economic mess.

Typical piece of SHIT leftist. When your minority slaves do something you don’t like, they are “misinformed”. You don’t give a shit about blacks or any other minorities, they are just a tool for your idiotic class war.

Get the hell out of my country you nanny state worshipping cunt.

Typical piece of SHIT leftist. When your minority slaves do something you don’t like, they are “misinformed”. You don’t give a shit about blacks or any other minorities, they are just a tool for your idiotic class war.

Get the hell out of my country you nanny state worshipping cunt.

HURF DURF CORPORATIONS IS EVIL HERP DERP

Please just move to North Korea you subhuman.

“liberals are scum”
-me

The Democrats all want to rape babies and they worship satan.

That bad enough for you?

And the government can’t provide these things.

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more brainwashed circlejerking from mentally ill leftists.

you need to leave the country before things get ugly

Fuckin idiot!!!!!! Whoa there Junior. You’ve already destroyed yourself on the forum.
But I’ll give you a little break, in that you may mature.

You mean this Shaye:
Daniel Shaye was a poor farmhand from Massachusetts when the Revolution broke out. He joined the Continental Army where he fought at Lexington, Bunker Hill, and Saratoga, and was eventually wounded in action. In 1780, he resigned from the army unpaid and went home to find himself in court for the nonpayment of debts. He soon found that he was not alone in being unable to pay his debts, and once even saw a sick woman who had her bed taken out from under her because she was also unable to pay.
This from the Commonwealth of Religious fanatics. I doubt that the Commonwealth of Virginia behaved like this, even your precious G.W. who was a Virginian.
While George was an excellent military opportunistic General, he was barely a mediocre statesmen.
Yes, his response to the Shayes’ rebellion was force of arms just as his response to the Whisky Rebellion was the same. He could run an army but was wanting when it came to civil matters. Fortunately he realized it and did not seek a second term.

That’s my civil response to your ‘get a brain’.

The Constitution that you ignore?

Tell me, where in the Constitution does the Federal government have the power to regulate food, schooling, etc?

ARPANET was not the precursor to the internet. Without PRIVATE CORPORATIONS you wouldn’t have an internet.

but i bet you’d think it would be ok for an all black restaurant

remember kids, it’s only racism when whitey does it!

You are on the extreme left lyris.

Enjoy getting teabagged if you keep pushing for more government control.

Turns out that analysis was a lie.

Yeah, I bet when Bush was in office you were crying for him to pull out NOW.

You are a hypocrite and a wingnut.

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Butthurt that a Democrat lost I see?

No. He didn’t.

I thought we were supposed to treat blacks as equals?

I thought we were supposed to treat blacks as equals?

Save your athiesm for the gutter. Some of us think that is BS and resent anyone who thinks we DON’T have the right to preach it.

Their constituents are idiots.

There was no deregulation. Stop spreading lies.

Maybe I missed it, but what does Mr. Paul advocate as a mechanism for the protection of “leakers”? Something else for the government to do, and fund?

Do you suppose this man sends his paychecks back to the government un-cashed?

Auditing, and overseeing, the Fed is appropriate in my mind. But do you really believe Mr. Paul was the only member of Congress to support this part of the financial reform legislation passed by Congress and signed by the President? Constant and continued criticism of government is one thing, but grandstanding is quite another.

Yes, even Hillary has even spoken her outrage–she must really be pissed. Damn those Paul Revere’s. One if by land, two if by sea, and three if by cyberspace. Bill never did anything wrong–he’s just like any other man. Or so she must be saying.

Real whistleblowers take their stuff seriously, and Assange is not the whistleblower here–you have to realize this. He is a reporter with a microphone. Hillary wants to shoot the messenger.

I’ll never be able to figure out why a smart President like Mr. Obama would choose Hillary to be his Secretary of State. Beyond comprehension.

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Dr. Ron Paul to my knowledge has never accepted anything for serving the constituents of his district in Texas. As an OB/GYN he never aborted a single child(over 5K births). He served in the Air Force with distinction attaining the rank of Lt. Col., I believe. He scrimped and saved his money and invested it.

Yes! he is a capitalist. No! he is not a globalist. Yes! he believes in hard money like gold and silver coins as specified in the United States Constitution. Yes! he does believe in the strict interpretation of the enumerated powers of Our Constitution. Yes! he believes that everything else as stated in the Tenth Amendment Of The Bill Of Rights is reserved to each State.

Hope this clears things up a mite.

Congressman Ron Paul believes that the Ten Amendments Of The Bill Of Rights applies in every situation. That includes the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, and Oh YES! The 10th Amendment. Perhaps we all should read them carefully.

Looks like despite the trolls, gov operatives, and useful idiots working overtime here to defame and misrepresent Dr. Paul it appears the majority support him, which is good because he’s essentially Yoda/Luke Skywalker for the rebellion. Go RON PAUL 2012!!

Kusinich is a blessing in a cursed legislature however he has not defended Assange and Wikileaks.

According to FBI agents testimony in the 911 commission hearings…Agent Fitzgerald, I believe, if you want to google what he told Lee Hamilton (who didn’t want to hear it)

What?,like make most of those countries wealthy?Those nuts are always fighting in the middle east and the countries there that don’t live pretty good with there oil wealth.

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Hey Psycho:

You called FOX NEWS’ Judge Napolitano and Geraldo Rivera Idiots – Goverment agents?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HcliJUk0VY

You stink like a troll

What’s going on! The plot thickens, and it become clearer and clearer. Hypocrisy and thievery!!!

Time to do the laundry:
Paul and Ventura in 2012

You stupid clown. You think focusing on questions surrounding glaring discrepancies to the how’s and why’s of 911 in any way takes away from why we became involved in two illegal wars? What a dumass. The newspapers and news sites can always make another page. And by the by, the official 911 conspiracies had front page exposure while the obvious questions surrounding discrepancies of the official 911 story were put way in the back of the papers if they were put in the paper at all. Instead a cottage industry has sprouted up in its place to balance out the unending questions surrounding the official conspiracy story. Questions that Kean and Hamilton, the leaders of the 911 commission, still have. Here you go you stupid douche bag:

The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission (Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton) said that the CIA (and likely the White House) “obstructed our investigation”.

The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission also said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements, yet didn’t bother to tell the American people (free subscription required).

Indeed, the co-chairs of the Commission now admit that the Commission largely operated based upon political considerations.

9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says “I don’t believe for a minute we got everything right”, that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only “the first draft” of history.

9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that “There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn’t have access . . . .”

9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said “We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting”

Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: “It is a national scandal”; “This investigation is now compromised”; and “One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up”.

9/11 Commissioner John Lehman said that “We purposely put together a staff that had – in a way – conflicts of interest”.

The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) who led the 9/11 staff’s inquiry, said “I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.”

The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission (Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton) said that the CIA (and likely the White House) “obstructed our investigation”.

The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission also said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements, yet didn’t bother to tell the American people (free subscription required).

Indeed, the co-chairs of the Commission now admit that the Commission largely operated based upon political considerations.

9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says “I don’t believe for a minute we got everything right”, that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only “the first draft” of history.

9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that “There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn’t have access . . . .”

9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said “We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting”

Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: “It is a national scandal”; “This investigation is now compromised”; and “One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up”.

9/11 Commissioner John Lehman said that “We purposely put together a staff that had – in a way – conflicts of interest”.

The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) who led the 9/11 staff’s inquiry, said “I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.”

Gibbs on Open Government LMAO !!!!

“such disclosures put at risk our diplomats, intelligence professionals, and people around the world who come to the United States for assistance in promoting democracy and open government.”

The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission (Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton) said that the CIA (and likely the White House) “obstructed our investigation”.

The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission also said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements, yet didn’t bother to tell the American people (free subscription required).

Indeed, the co-chairs of the Commission now admit that the Commission largely operated based upon political considerations.

9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says “I don’t believe for a minute we got everything right”, that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only “the first draft” of history.

9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that “There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn’t have access . . . .”

9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said “We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting”

Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: “It is a national scandal”; “This investigation is now compromised”; and “One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up”.

9/11 Commissioner John Lehman said that “We purposely put together a staff that had – in a way – conflicts of interest”.

The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) who led the 9/11 staff’s inquiry, said “I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.”

What you are doing by presenting the opinions of Judge Napolitano and Geraldo Rivera as credible evidence of a conspiracy is a logically fallacy known as argument from authority. It suggests that you lack credible evidence to make your argument.

You stink of idiocy.

So a few people in the 9-11 commission (a sham in my opinion — they didn’t ask the right questions as to WHY we were attacked) state that they believed certain officials made false statements and that the 9-11 commission was compromised. Out of context, a lot of these quotes could be referring to anything — namely that the CIA and FBI didn’t want people to know why we had been attacked (a result of our disastrous foreign policy in the Middle East) — but more likely the CIA and FBI wanted to cover up their lack of action preceding 9-11; they wanted to cover their ass.

What is more plausible? That the US Government didn’t want to share culpability in the attacks by admitting that US foreign policy in the Middle East induced this act of ‘blowback’ — or that the US Government didn’t want to appear weak by admitting that its agencies that were supposed to prevent such attacks failed completely?

Or do you buy into a theory that the US Government orchestrated a false flag attack employing the cooperation of Conspirators at many different levels of Government? Why would you? When there is no evidence suggesting this is true — FACT: Building seven was damaged by one of the towers as it fell, and required only one of its support beams to fail in order to fall the way it did — FACT: Jet fuel burns at 825 degrees Celsius, but steel loses 50% of its strength at 648 degrees Celsius — FACT: There were dozens of (civilian) witnesses who saw flight 77 crash into the Pentagon and the pilot who stated that Flight 77 could not have flown at the speeds they did without stalling is a conspiracy theorist and has provided no credible evidence to back up his theories — FACT: A real conspiracy involves very few people (Enron, Iran-Contra, Watergate) and they always get caught because somebody becomes a whistle blower — so why believe it?

It is much more plausible that what the FBI and CIA were ‘covering up’ was the fact that they failed. It is also much more plausible that the Bush administration did not want to admit that many members of the Administration were directly responsible for US interventionism in the Middle East which can be directly attributed to hatred for the US in the region, and therefor WHY we were attacked.

Well Ron “Quitter”Paul, Id bet you could leak pleanty if you werent so concerning with keeping your job.

STFU Ron.
Youre full of it, we all saw it, to hell with ya.

Good question!

The only reason someone like Paul would not make a great president is because the powers that be would try to thwart him at every turn.

Pseudo-intellectual that you are… what are you? 17

Dude, what about us being completely ruined already don’t you get ?

Freakin partisans and their cognitive distortions have us all living in denial.

Dear Fordneri,

Who cares what Bush did? We are talking about Ron Paul. You say that Ron Paul “wants corporations to be regulated free.” Well, if that’s so, it means he wants people to be free (people are corporations), and what’s the problem with that? Corporatism, or the criminal crony collusion between government and business is only possible under one condition, that your government is criminal. The problem lies with a bloated and corrupt bureaucracy availing itself to criminals and manipulators, not the business world which is naturally inclined to look for advantages.

Ron Paul never, in any way shape or form wanted what you claim, some reverse socialistic transfer of wealth from the poor up to the rich. Ron Paul is very economically literate, and he knows that this idea of yours makes no sense because it’s unsustainable.

Ron Paul is a Constitutionalist and someone who always promotes liberty.

Dear Pete2099, “Without the government the middle class , seniors and others have no say in how these corporations attack and destroy us.” You’ve got to be kidding, very naive or both. I guess you forgot about the Trillions Obama gave his supporters and buddies (Lifelong Friend Timothy Geitner formally of Goldman Sachs, the Unions (SEIU) or Bush buddy Paulson, formally of Goldman Sachs) on Wall Street proves otherwise?

Chrislib, Great Alinsky tactic; ad hominem attacks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

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Speaking of anti-democratic…you tell others to sit down and shut up. This is a free site and people may post what they like. Who put you in charge?

I am an academic PhD in microbiology and know a lot about the industrial side of things. It is exactly over-regulation that has gotten us into this mess. Because of the close ties with big pharma and government, it is almost impossible for small start up pharmaceutical companies to enter the market.

Thus big pharma hold the extremely profitable 3rd generation drugs that don’t cure a thing, and small start ups simply can’t cut through the red tape to offer a CURE (which is not profitable for big pharma) all because of GOVERNMENT.

Pure unadulterated libertarianism is a pipe dream utopia. But minimal common sense regulations, and a vigilant court system unafraid of corporations, is the only answer.

I believe the only way to achieve this is to have Ron Paul types represent the right, and Kuchinich types represent the left. We both agree on the same problems, and our ability to get along and compromise will be the answer.

Give me a specific quote or link which proves your claim. Otherwise this sounds like just your biased opinion and nothing more.

This bailout and destruction was handed to Obama and democrats and libertarians know darn well it was.
Bush Sr. like Bush Jr. handed the democrats the largest destruction to our economy and workers , benefits , retirement in our history.
I disagree with Obama’s pushing his bipartisan policies with the republicans which are biting his hands off.. The republican party policies are hell bent on destroying the middle class , seniors , poor and unions so that they OWN us.

They is no supply verses demand today with the U.S. moving either their corporation or base overseas.

You know this as well as everyone else does , but looks as if you do not give a darn..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…

Such disclosures put at risk diplomats that come to us for open government???????????

Thats an oxymoron from a political moron.

And republicans had ties to Abramoff

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2006/3310abramoff_families.html

Sorry I hurt your feelings, but I have the utmost contempt for people who spread lies and distract people from real issues. Who attacked us on 9-11 is NOT up for debate. There are facts, and people who accept those facts — then there are those who do not, and they do not deserve the slightest bit of respect in my book. The facts are there, you choose to ignore them, and it does nothing but hurt America.

Strange you seem to be defending Obama’s record when nobody was really challenging it…. defensive much?

Even if Obama did get some decent legislation passed (that is debatable, you might mention the Health Care bill, I might say it won’t do shit to solve the health care crisis in America), he got the Nobel Prize before he had time to do anything, so your point is moot.

Also, he was awarded the Nobel Peace prize when in fact he had already begun to escalate the war in Afghanistan and has since funded various anti-democratic groups in South America through the NED and also backs the illegal Honduran government through the Millennium corporation. I wonder if the Nobel Prize Committee is regretting their decision.

How clearly is this man a fucking hypocrite. What a douche bag. Does he even know what he is saying?

Wow. Way to make such a substantive comment! You have included absolutely nothing but subjective opinions to make the case for Ron Paul. Why don’t you join his advisory team?

So basically the federal government would have no power over the states. States would be allowed to completely infringe upon universal rights. Slavery would be made legal again! Yippie!!!!

You’re a confederate! How have you survived so long? The Civil War was ages ago….

Yet, the republicans & Independents voted these criminals back into office to finish their destruction to our citizens and nation.

Obama gets blames for Bush/Cheney republican debt.

2009 Budget of the United States federal government

Submitted by George W. Bush
Submitted to 110th Congress
Total revenue $2.7 trillion (estimated)
Total expenditures $3.107 trillion (estimated)
Deficit $407 billion (estimated)
Debt $12.867455