The State Department is way out of line on this one. It is not within the government’s power to determine who is and who is not a “journalist”. If they held that power there would be no such thing as freedom of the press. If that were the case we might as well all receive our “news” straight from the government.

The State Department is way out of line on this one. It is not within the government’s power to determine who is and who is not a “journalist”. If they held that power there would be no such thing as freedom of the press. If that were the case we might as well all receive our “news” straight from the government.

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The State Department is wrong. One cannot classify whether or not a person or an organisation it a journalist merely by the content they cover. There are business magazines which contain nothing but business information (and business leaks). There are woodworking journals that contain nothing but woodworking content… science… education… and politics. Many other political journals contain inherent biases: socialism, democracy, etc. but these are STILL all valid journalism. Try again, State Department – your flimsy argument wouldn’t stand up to the scrutiny of a high school debater, let alone a Court of Law. :p

The State Department is wrong. One cannot classify whether or not a person or an organisation it a journalist merely by the content they cover. There are business magazines which contain nothing but business information (and business leaks). There are woodworking journals that contain nothing but woodworking content… science… education… and politics. Many other political journals contain inherent biases: socialism, democracy, etc. but these are STILL all valid journalism. Try again, State Department – your flimsy argument wouldn’t stand up to the scrutiny of a high school debater, let alone a Court of Law. :p

Funny… since the previous reason given by the US for Wikileaks not being journalistic was that they did not editorialize.

Is there anything more than a conceptual difference between an opinion and an objective?

So… this means that, while you have to have an opinion to be a journalist, you must in no way want that opinion to have any effect on the world?

There you go…Wikileaks is journalism, with out a doubt.

No government ought to be without censors; and where the press is free no one ever will.
~Thomas Jefferson

This is exactly why freedom of the press and freedom of speech were put in the US Constitution! The government does not have the right to decide what is, or is not, journalism.

The state will frequently made statements and classifications of special natures when they are threatened. Even though many hundreds of other media organizations have political agenda’s and objectives, they have never threatened the elite. WikiLeaks is the only “real deal” so to speak, its not a sham and its actually attempting to make a difference. So of course, they are anti-American for going against the elite.

As for his classification as an Anarchist, the United States government must still believe that labeling someone as an “Anarchist” is a bad thing which is, unsurprisingly false. If attempting to limit the powers of the state, eliminate censorship, and of course expose those who conspire against the people is of Anarchist tendencies then I fail to see why Anarchism is a bad thing.

Lying should disqualify Obama and Holder from being politicians.

Or maybe they think that’s their qualification?

whoa man…I’m like getting a major irony rush here….
following this logic, then FOX News isn’t really??????

Who in the JD claims he has a political agenda??? Sounds like more crap. Ron Paul says we need more Wikileaks….oh yeah he’s already ostracized for having THAT political agenda.

Who in the JD claims he has a political agenda??? Sounds like more crap. Ron Paul says we need more Wikileaks….oh yeah he’s already ostracized for having THAT political agenda.

If Mr. Asange was Chinese, Burmese or Iranian, releasing secrets of those nations, they’d be calling him an international hero and an unjustly detained political activist.
The State Dept has really bared their hand with this one.

If Mr. Asange was Chinese, Burmese or Iranian, releasing secrets of those nations, they’d be calling him an international hero and an unjustly detained political activist.
The State Dept has really bared their hand with this one.

Uh . . . could whatever asswipe at the State Dept said that cite any legal authority to back up his preposterous claim?

Uh . . . could whatever asswipe at the State Dept said that cite any legal authority to back up his preposterous claim?

As opposed to Sean Hannity who can make up lies about Sharia law becoming U.S. law because he is not a newsman but an editorialist. At least that is what Bill O’Reilly said, and with the way things are going, Bill will probably decide whether Assange is guilty.

As opposed to Sean Hannity who can make up lies about Sharia law becoming U.S. law because he is not a newsman but an editorialist. At least that is what Bill O’Reilly said, and with the way things are going, Bill will probably decide whether Assange is guilty.

Or is it, rather: “State Dept employee, having a political objective, must be considered incapable of accurately defining ‘journalist’ .”

Or is it, rather: “State Dept employee, having a political objective, must be considered incapable of accurately defining ‘journalist’ .”

No, Anarchism calls for the abolishment of State. Wikileaks is merely a correction, one that in fact presupposes and counts on our Constitution remaining intact and effective. And a democratic/republic that gives a damn and has the power to fix the problem.

About as far from Anarchy as you can get. Those that have been working to destroy the rights of human citizens are the ones attempting to destroy the State as we once knew it and replace it with something more to their own advantage.

No, Anarchism calls for the abolishment of State. Wikileaks is merely a correction, one that in fact presupposes and counts on our Constitution remaining intact and effective. And a democratic/republic that gives a damn and has the power to fix the problem.

About as far from Anarchy as you can get. Those that have been working to destroy the rights of human citizens are the ones attempting to destroy the State as we once knew it and replace it with something more to their own advantage.

So the definition of, “Fair and Balanced” becomes official policy.

So the definition of, “Fair and Balanced” becomes official policy.

The Supreme Court said the same thing tears ago.

The Supreme Court said the same thing tears ago.

It’s not journalism if it has a political objective. That discounts everything on Fox and every media outlet owned by Murdoch, among others.

It’s not journalism if it has a political objective. That discounts everything on Fox and every media outlet owned by Murdoch, among others.

If having a political agenda disqualifies someone from being a journalist, then the whole Fox Noise team just lost their accreditation–all of them, and everywhere, with the possible exception of covering the dining habits of the Burmese Junta, and percentage of Sarah Palin’s books that she didn’t write (99% is still less than three digits, so most Fox listeners should be able to grasp it).

Hey, maybe that’s what this is all leading up to !! If so, then it’s all worth it.

If having a political agenda disqualifies someone from being a journalist, then the whole Fox Noise team just lost their accreditation–all of them, and everywhere, with the possible exception of covering the dining habits of the Burmese Junta, and percentage of Sarah Palin’s books that she didn’t write (99% is still less than three digits, so most Fox listeners should be able to grasp it).

Hey, maybe that’s what this is all leading up to !! If so, then it’s all worth it.

Absolutely everything–even taking a shit–is political. The same holds for ideology. For instance, what news media decide to exclude is of paramount importance: silence on certain issues is as much a political statement as a loud voice. Not reporting on Israeli expansions into Gaza is political. The news media’s consistent failure to adequately report on activism and the labor movement is highly political. When Fox News excludes information that contradicts their propaganda, that is political. In fact, when you frame a news story, you are excluding huge volumes of information that could either support or contradict that story: this, too, is political. Even the idea that something ought to be reported at all, or that we ought to have a free press, is political; likewise, the idea that we can and should judge journalism by its political motives is…political. Hence, the State Department is, as always, absolutely full of shit.

Absolutely everything–even taking a shit–is political. The same holds for ideology. For instance, what news media decide to exclude is of paramount importance: silence on certain issues is as much a political statement as a loud voice. Not reporting on Israeli expansions into Gaza is political. The news media’s consistent failure to adequately report on activism and the labor movement is highly political. When Fox News excludes information that contradicts their propaganda, that is political. In fact, when you frame a news story, you are excluding huge volumes of information that could either support or contradict that story: this, too, is political. Even the idea that something ought to be reported at all, or that we ought to have a free press, is political; likewise, the idea that we can and should judge journalism by its political motives is…political. Hence, the State Department is, as always, absolutely full of shit.

You’re right. They’ve also been criticized for not being selective about what they publish. Wikileaks’ critics can’t have it both ways. They’re obviously just throwing a lot of shit at the wall and hoping something sticks.

You’re right. They’ve also been criticized for not being selective about what they publish. Wikileaks’ critics can’t have it both ways. They’re obviously just throwing a lot of shit at the wall and hoping something sticks.

Interesting how Wikileaks is condemned for a ‘political’ objective of exposing the truth about a slimy government, yet the Supreme court is happy to bless Fox for fabricating stories. The State department needs to stop acting like the courts and negotiate treaties and stuff. The Justice??? department needs to go after real war criminals from the administration. Sick twisted governance.

Funny how going off on a tangent results in government from not doing it’s job.

Interesting how Wikileaks is condemned for a ‘political’ objective of exposing the truth about a slimy government, yet the Supreme court is happy to bless Fox for fabricating stories. The State department needs to stop acting like the courts and negotiate treaties and stuff. The Justice??? department needs to go after real war criminals from the administration. Sick twisted governance.

Funny how going off on a tangent results in government from not doing it’s job.

Well of course an honest, responsible and true journalist has a political objective.
That objective is transparency.

I wish these gov guys would realize they can’t un-say the bs they’ve been spewing lately. History is going to smack them hard if they don’t consider their words very carefully.

Well of course an honest, responsible and true journalist has a political objective.
That objective is transparency.

I wish these gov guys would realize they can’t un-say the bs they’ve been spewing lately. History is going to smack them hard if they don’t consider their words very carefully.

I am waiting with halted breath to see how the Supreme Court defines “journalism and journalist” before this government panic attack is over.

I am waiting with halted breath to see how the Supreme Court defines “journalism and journalist” before this government panic attack is over.

Who is this….. Reichsleiter for Press?
The spawn of Max Amann.

Who is this….. Reichsleiter for Press?
The spawn of Max Amann.

Does this mean Fox News won’t get a pass to the White House Press Briefing Room?

Does this mean Fox News won’t get a pass to the White House Press Briefing Room?

and does it mean that Wolf Blitzer gets to go back to his old employer AIPAC?

and does it mean that Wolf Blitzer gets to go back to his old employer AIPAC?

this is just more of the same anti-democratic anti-democracy stuff from the obama administration. they are hoping to change some rules here, I suppose, so that when they try to extradite Julian from the UK or sweden they will make the case that he’s not a journalist and that this isn’t a clear issue of freedom of the press, freedom of expression-free speech etc, but that he’s an ‘anarchist’ or an ‘agitator’ or. lmao, a ‘political actor’ that’s a good one, really! as if the State dept now isn’t much more than one of the political action wings of the ruling elites in america overseas to promote Imperial business and financial interests…..

also please note that unlike in europe and elsewhere in the world, many american newspapers are no longer calling wikileaks et. al. whistleblowers……another attempt to change the media meme and turn them into An Enemy of the State. in the US, the media for the most part just follows the leader, the government and publishers or report what they say as fact and doesn’t bother to double check it or print/air varying points of view etc…..

this is just more of the same anti-democratic anti-democracy stuff from the obama administration. they are hoping to change some rules here, I suppose, so that when they try to extradite Julian from the UK or sweden they will make the case that he’s not a journalist and that this isn’t a clear issue of freedom of the press, freedom of expression-free speech etc, but that he’s an ‘anarchist’ or an ‘agitator’ or. lmao, a ‘political actor’ that’s a good one, really! as if the State dept now isn’t much more than one of the political action wings of the ruling elites in america overseas to promote Imperial business and financial interests…..

also please note that unlike in europe and elsewhere in the world, many american newspapers are no longer calling wikileaks et. al. whistleblowers……another attempt to change the media meme and turn them into An Enemy of the State. in the US, the media for the most part just follows the leader, the government and publishers or report what they say as fact and doesn’t bother to double check it or print/air varying points of view etc…..

Ok then if that’s the NEW made-up rule, … FOX should be shut down IMMEDIATELY and EVERY employee of FOX should be in front of a judge TOMORROW!

Ok then if that’s the NEW made-up rule, … FOX should be shut down IMMEDIATELY and EVERY employee of FOX should be in front of a judge TOMORROW!

absolutely FOS, as you said there at the end. lol. good points, too, about how any report is framed in indeed a political decision, or whether to even report on something, and the ‘slant’ etc….

absolutely FOS, as you said there at the end. lol. good points, too, about how any report is framed in indeed a political decision, or whether to even report on something, and the ‘slant’ etc….

There’s nothing more imbecilic than the tired and frayed notion that there are “two sides” to every issue. But nearly every journalist is taught that from the first day of every journalism class. And being objective means “giving equal space or time to both sides.” so if you decide to write something about the Holocaust you have to remind your readers that some people believe the Holocaust didn’t occur. Or if you are writing about Hitler you have to say he made the trains run on time or was that Mussolini or both of them? If you are writing about evolution you have to quote someone who says that there is no such thing as evolution. It just goes on and on…

And if you really want your listeners to drink this bs kool-aid you come up with a slogan, something really catchy like “fair and balanced” but be sure and go to court as soon as you can to make sure that you don’t have to tell the truth because what you are really peddling isn’t news at all but entertainment. Getting the judge to agree isn’t much of a problem either, you just take in some film of the stupidest people on your network–mission accomplished.

Then you go back to your propaganda. And then when someone releases a bunch of actual documents you can claim he or she isn’t objective and therefore not a journalist.

Amy Goodman has a political position, too. Would the White House also claim that she isn’t a journalist?

What about editorial writers would they be subject to special rules as well?

There’s nothing more imbecilic than the tired and frayed notion that there are “two sides” to every issue. But nearly every journalist is taught that from the first day of every journalism class. And being objective means “giving equal space or time to both sides.” so if you decide to write something about the Holocaust you have to remind your readers that some people believe the Holocaust didn’t occur. Or if you are writing about Hitler you have to say he made the trains run on time or was that Mussolini or both of them? If you are writing about evolution you have to quote someone who says that there is no such thing as evolution. It just goes on and on…

And if you really want your listeners to drink this bs kool-aid you come up with a slogan, something really catchy like “fair and balanced” but be sure and go to court as soon as you can to make sure that you don’t have to tell the truth because what you are really peddling isn’t news at all but entertainment. Getting the judge to agree isn’t much of a problem either, you just take in some film of the stupidest people on your network–mission accomplished.

Then you go back to your propaganda. And then when someone releases a bunch of actual documents you can claim he or she isn’t objective and therefore not a journalist.

Amy Goodman has a political position, too. Would the White House also claim that she isn’t a journalist?

What about editorial writers would they be subject to special rules as well?

WTF, show me one single “News” or “information” source on the planet of the apes doesn’t have a political agenda. What hogwash.

WTF, show me one single “News” or “information” source on the planet of the apes doesn’t have a political agenda. What hogwash.

Then how about every last single so-called journalist on Fox News? Is this insanity or what?

Then how about every last single so-called journalist on Fox News? Is this insanity or what?

Yes! I personally Like Maddow, at least half the time, which is batting a thousand in this day and age, but exactly.

Super 1000% valid point.

Yes! I personally Like Maddow, at least half the time, which is batting a thousand in this day and age, but exactly.

Super 1000% valid point.

Yes! I personally Like Maddow, at least half the time, which is batting a thousand in this day and age, but exactly.

Super 1000% valid point.

AKA propaganda. OOppps I mean PR

Sieg Heil! err… :) I gotta go now.

AKA propaganda. OOppps I mean PR

Sieg Heil! err… :) I gotta go now.

AKA propaganda. OOppps I mean PR

Sieg Heil! err… :) I gotta go now.

Let me help ya a bit since you dont have a clue whats going on… 403 U.S. 713

Let me help ya a bit since you dont have a clue whats going on… 403 U.S. 713

Let me help ya a bit since you dont have a clue whats going on… 403 U.S. 713

Uh………..in case you haven’t noticed……..Assange is not under US Jurisdiction……..Now head on back over to Fascist News where they report and YOU comply.

Uh………..in case you haven’t noticed……..Assange is not under US Jurisdiction……..Now head on back over to Fascist News where they report and YOU comply.

Uh………..in case you haven’t noticed……..Assange is not under US Jurisdiction……..Now head on back over to Fascist News where they report and YOU comply.

Agreed.

Agreed.

Agreed.

Of course they’re not.

Of course they’re not.

Of course they’re not.

Right, the media not long ago reporting the shit Wikileaks was forced to report because they have become increasingly corporate puppets, is political.

Right, the media not long ago reporting the shit Wikileaks was forced to report because they have become increasingly corporate puppets, is political.

Right, the media not long ago reporting the shit Wikileaks was forced to report because they have become increasingly corporate puppets, is political.

If an American journalist released classified information, they could indeed be charged with treason. Same goes for any American military personnel that provide such information to someone like Assange. However, it is *because* they are American citizens that such a charge of treason can be made (due to treason by definition being a betrayal or breach of allegiance to one’s own government). Only the government of Australia could charge Assange with treason.

The question becomes what law requires a citizen of one country to uphold the secrets of another if they come into possession of them? If you or I as U.S. citizens come into possession of classified foreign country documents that make those country’s governments look bad, are we legally obligated not to reveal them to anyone? I’m not sure.

The great majority of government secrecy is to protect the government from the citizens, all the rest no matter how they rationalize it, is bullshit.

that’s optimistic, a more sinister version of that is it’s all the same side….. Global Corp.

Well, ah, there was a memo but he wiped his ass with it.

Pretty good facts. These are facts about her and things I either did not know or was not interested in at first.

“Why is the hostility directed at Assange, the publisher, and not at our governments failure to protect classified information?” -Classic Ron Paul at his best.

The State Department is now embarrassing the U.S. with statement like this.

“…If an American journalist released classified information, they could indeed be charged with treason…”

And the Pentagon papers?

Oh, Ohhh, I smell even more irony!

is it the fact that you’re using irony way too much?

From Glenn Greenwald at Salon.com:

“UPDATE VI: Regarding James Rubin’s emphatic denial that “the United States was conducting some secret policy different than the one it was putting forward publicly”: Salon’s Justin Elliott expertly documents today that the U.S. State Department — through its spokesman Philip Crowley — clearly misled the country about the role the U.S. played in the air attacks on Yemen, even beyond what I’ve documented here.

Speaking of Crowley, look at what he managed to write today on his Twitter feed, presumably with a straight face:

“No country believes in press freedom more than the United States. We practice what we preach. #WPFD”

That “WPFD” after his message refers to “World Press Freedom Day,” which the U.S. is hosting in 2011 and whose theme could not possibly be any more contrary to the U.S.’s behavior these past two weeks. The only possible competitor for the Unintentional Self-Satire of the Month Award is the fact that Joe Lieberman is a member of the “Global Internet Freedom Caucus” and even sponsored a bill to support “Internet censorship victims” in Iran — the very same Joe Lieberman who thuggishy threatened companies this week not to associate themselves with WikiLeaks in light of the documents they published on the Internet.”

Crowley’s a particularly enthusiastic, and cynical, liar–sorry, “spokesperson.”

Ya know…US citizens pay for the CIA to get intelligence on other countries. This guy did it for free. What’s worse?

Then the people who work for Fox News aren’t journalists either.

That isn’t true. What Dana Priest wrote about the secret CIA prisons in many countries was way beyond the SIPRNET level of secrecy, and she was probably getting her info from CIA officers dissatisfied with prisons in the first place. The people who get punished in this cases are the people who let the horse out of the barn, much like Bradley Manning will be punished for downloading all the material he did from SIPRNET. Manning won’t be charged with treason, he will be charged with violating his security clearance, (or grossly violating his security clearance) and could be sentence to 50 years in a Military Prison.

If US journalist paid someone with top security clearance to obtain very classified, need to know information,and sent it to a nation in a state of war with the US, then treason charges can be instigated. However if a journalist right now, gave classified information to Iran or Cuba, it would fall under the Espionage Act of 1917, not treason as outlined by the US Constitution.

The US v. New York Times (1971) is still a benchmark of how the First Amendment pretty much supersedes the release of classified information. The people liable are not the ones that published but the ones that violate their security clearance.

What’s worse…the crime, or exposing the crime?

How would you classify all the journalists who sought the truth of the Valerie Plame case? Treasonous?

Who is the criminal? Robert Novak? Judith Miller? It turned out, the treasonous criminal was non other than the US Vice President, Dick Cheney, who had his man Scooter Libby in place to take the fall.

Do you advocate treason charges for Dick Cheney?

Your logic is, as journalists like to say, chilling.

Yet Bob Woodward, Judy Miller, and dozens and other mainstream “journalists” have made their careers publishing classified information.
The difference between them and Assange is that these corporate stenographers have revealed classified secrets to serve the purposes of people in power. Assange has made the powerful uncomfortable, and for that, he must be assassinated, or at least arrested on trumped-up charges (or no charges at all–we’re the US, we don’t need no stinkin’ badges) and jailed for life.

“Being objective” frees corporate journalists from having to tell the truth. Although working for corporations seems to be a large impediment to truth-telling as well.

“Having ‘political objective’ disqualifies Assange ‘from being considered a journalist.’”

R.I.P. Fox News

Yet Bob Woodward, Judy Miller, and dozens and other mainstream “journalists” have made their careers publishing classified information.
The difference between them and Assange is that these corporate stenographers have revealed classified secrets to serve the purposes of people in power. Assange has made the powerful uncomfortable, and for that, he must be assassinated, or at least arrested on trumped-up charges (or no charges at all–we’re the US, we don’t need no stinkin’ badges) and jailed for life.

Espionage……….LOL
You mean that shit Valerie Plame was involved in….SPYING….. when your War Hero the Chicken Hawk Prick Cheney exposed her to the World through his proxy Prick Armatige that outed a National Security Asset through his source, the so-called “journalist” Robert Novak .
You Bush/Cheney Bootlickers crack me up with your nonsense.
Like I said RETARD……….Fascist News is ——————> http://tinyurl.com/2aut7l8

If ya don’t like the reality change the vernacular… yep, straight out of the Republican playbook.

Yup. The end of Fox News.

Yup. The end of Fox News.

To be considered a Politician it is necessary to be serving the Electorate and the Nation’s Interest

Touchez, Douchez’s

To be considered a Politician it is necessary to be serving the Electorate and the Nation’s Interest

Touchez, Douchez’s

Hooray For The State Department!

Apparently these MoFo’s are supremely qualified to determine who is a journalist and who isn’t.
Let’s, just for Shits and Giggles, look at Fux Nooze as a beacon to State Dept Journalism Qualification. According then to what the “New State Dept.” Now says, they should be drug out of their various nooks and crannies like the scumbags they are and each should be pilloried, tortured, and condemned without a warrant, subpoena, or any legal options. We could take each of these swinging dicks and groaty krunts out and really have a party with them before we hid them in some eastern European Torture Chamber for as long as they managed to live…

After all, What’s good for de Goose is Good for de Gander!

I guess also that I can consider every ‘Murican who sets foot on our island a War Criminal also therefore we can take their cash and credit cards and let the poor bastids swim home… I think I am gonna like this game…. Remember boyz and gurlz… Dere are MORE of Us than there are of You…. And China holds your stakes in this high stake poker game you are getting ready to bet your booty on….

Hooray For The State Department!

Apparently these MoFo’s are supremely qualified to determine who is a journalist and who isn’t.
Let’s, just for Shits and Giggles, look at Fux Nooze as a beacon to State Dept Journalism Qualification. According then to what the “New State Dept.” Now says, they should be drug out of their various nooks and crannies like the scumbags they are and each should be pilloried, tortured, and condemned without a warrant, subpoena, or any legal options. We could take each of these swinging dicks and groaty krunts out and really have a party with them before we hid them in some eastern European Torture Chamber for as long as they managed to live…

After all, What’s good for de Goose is Good for de Gander!

I guess also that I can consider every ‘Murican who sets foot on our island a War Criminal also therefore we can take their cash and credit cards and let the poor bastids swim home… I think I am gonna like this game…. Remember boyz and gurlz… Dere are MORE of Us than there are of You…. And China holds your stakes in this high stake poker game you are getting ready to bet your booty on….

Gotta laugh at the GOP and State Department, they must be Professional Comedians…

Gotta laugh at the GOP and State Department, they must be Professional Comedians…

Hmmm…….using the same logic, most political reporting can no longer be considered journalism. Neither can religious reporting, or corporate reporting, engineering reporting, science reporting, farm reporting, financial reporting, in fact, I’d be hard pressed to come up with reporting that doesn’t have an agenda of SOME kind…

Ironic to see this bullshit coming from a Democratic administration, no? Anything to disappear this guy into a CIA black site in Eastern Europe before he can trigger the Bank of America document dump.

Hmmm…….using the same logic, most political reporting can no longer be considered journalism. Neither can religious reporting, or corporate reporting, engineering reporting, science reporting, farm reporting, financial reporting, in fact, I’d be hard pressed to come up with reporting that doesn’t have an agenda of SOME kind…

Ironic to see this bullshit coming from a Democratic administration, no? Anything to disappear this guy into a CIA black site in Eastern Europe before he can trigger the Bank of America document dump.

Tell that to Fox. Prosecute Fox. They even tell mistruths.

I did not knowing that following the first amendment is a political objective.

Tell that to Fox. Prosecute Fox. They even tell mistruths.

I did not knowing that following the first amendment is a political objective.

Time to prosecute Fox…

Time to prosecute Fox…

Oh come on now, that’s Clinton’s department….

So laughable

lol

Oh come on now, that’s Clinton’s department….

So laughable

lol

The question really needs to be pressed to gov officials firmly and often: “Who else would the US consider disqualified from the classification of ‘journalist’ “?

Press the issue about NYT, and all the other media outlets printing “outed” cables and don’t let the gov officials wiggle out of making statements that then can be held up to the light of examination. That’s part of the whole point of WikiLeaks – governments seek always to keep the citizenry ignorant, awed and even fearful. The latter is even more prevalent every week as new “terrorist threats” are “revealed”.

The question really needs to be pressed to gov officials firmly and often: “Who else would the US consider disqualified from the classification of ‘journalist’ “?

Press the issue about NYT, and all the other media outlets printing “outed” cables and don’t let the gov officials wiggle out of making statements that then can be held up to the light of examination. That’s part of the whole point of WikiLeaks – governments seek always to keep the citizenry ignorant, awed and even fearful. The latter is even more prevalent every week as new “terrorist threats” are “revealed”.

Obviously you don’t know shit about this subject. To get informed, go look up the Supreme Court ruling on the Pentagon Papers. That was all classified information too, and they also tried to accuse Daniel Ellsberg of treason and espionage, but they ruled that what he did by releasing that information to newspapers was not a crime, and thus, he didn’t go to jail.

Obviously you don’t know shit about this subject. To get informed, go look up the Supreme Court ruling on the Pentagon Papers. That was all classified information too, and they also tried to accuse Daniel Ellsberg of treason and espionage, but they ruled that what he did by releasing that information to newspapers was not a crime, and thus, he didn’t go to jail.

She was a Covert Agent Dumb Ass
Read and get your facts straight Troll
Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982

She was a Covert Agent Dumb Ass
Read and get your facts straight Troll
Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982

“All the MSNBC’s et al …”

It was President GW Bush who said the release of that info was a crime and the leakers should be brought to justice, though he did change his tune a bit when he found out it was his VP. Now, you’re telling me there was no crime? Why the grand jury investigation? The conviction of Libby?

Did I totally miss out on a good conspiracy? Crap!

“All the MSNBC’s et al …”

It was President GW Bush who said the release of that info was a crime and the leakers should be brought to justice, though he did change his tune a bit when he found out it was his VP. Now, you’re telling me there was no crime? Why the grand jury investigation? The conviction of Libby?

Did I totally miss out on a good conspiracy? Crap!

Glen Beck is going to prison !!

Glen Beck is going to prison !!

Good point, I hope someone points out to Crowley that, his opinion aside, there are groups that measure press freedom. Reporters Without Borders 2010 list puts the US at #20.

If his crude attempt at instituting state controls over what constitutes a journalist, and his calls for the blacklisting of groups he finds distasteful, gain any traction into policy, then it is likely that the 2011 Press Freedom Index will result in the US ranking much lower, just in time for World Press Freedom Day.

Maybe Crowley could give a conference called ‘We’re #1, We’re #1′ that consists of nothing but the inane chant he seems to think counts more than objective reality.

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Press_Freedom_Index

Good point, I hope someone points out to Crowley that, his opinion aside, there are groups that measure press freedom. Reporters Without Borders 2010 list puts the US at #20.

If his crude attempt at instituting state controls over what constitutes a journalist, and his calls for the blacklisting of groups he finds distasteful, gain any traction into policy, then it is likely that the 2011 Press Freedom Index will result in the US ranking much lower, just in time for World Press Freedom Day.

Maybe Crowley could give a conference called ‘We’re #1, We’re #1′ that consists of nothing but the inane chant he seems to think counts more than objective reality.

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Press_Freedom_Index

Wouldn’t this disqualify ALL of Faux/Pox “News” Channel, then?

I guess he could call himself a “pundit” or “opinionator” and be done with it. Sounds good to me.

Notice too who had the courage to defend him today on the floor of the House? RON PAUL!

Wouldn’t this disqualify ALL of Faux/Pox “News” Channel, then?

I guess he could call himself a “pundit” or “opinionator” and be done with it. Sounds good to me.

Notice too who had the courage to defend him today on the floor of the House? RON PAUL!

Day 4 of the revolution:

Wikileaks has no political agenda. They publish leaks from all over the political spectrum.

This is typical of the Deep BS coming out of the Benito Obama fascist administration.

Welcome to Orwellia, where black is white and freedom is slavery.

Day 4 of the revolution:

Wikileaks has no political agenda. They publish leaks from all over the political spectrum.

This is typical of the Deep BS coming out of the Benito Obama fascist administration.

Welcome to Orwellia, where black is white and freedom is slavery.

North Korea

Kim Jong today bust his gut laughing so hard at USA and the comedians in the Government. As he passed away his son took office vowing to avenge the death of his father…

‘Americans murdered my father…..using their weapons of mass deception…’

North Korea

Kim Jong today bust his gut laughing so hard at USA and the comedians in the Government. As he passed away his son took office vowing to avenge the death of his father…

‘Americans murdered my father…..using their weapons of mass deception…’

Your second statement is the true one. Why do you think they are so afraid of the TRUTH? As opposed to such minor infractions as mass murder, false flag operations, and looting the U.S. treasury?

Your second statement is the true one. Why do you think they are so afraid of the TRUTH? As opposed to such minor infractions as mass murder, false flag operations, and looting the U.S. treasury?

Your second statement is the true one. Why do you think they are so afraid of the TRUTH? As opposed to such minor infractions as mass murder, false flag operations, and looting the U.S. treasury?

That’s not quite true.

I hate Fox as much as the next guy, but there is one show on Fox where the host is consistently defending Wikileaks’ right to publish and considers them journalists.

He even shares his pro-WikiLeaks opinion with other Fox personalities, like Bill O’Reilly.

The show? “Freedom Watch” with Judge Napolitano.

That’s not quite true.

I hate Fox as much as the next guy, but there is one show on Fox where the host is consistently defending Wikileaks’ right to publish and considers them journalists.

He even shares his pro-WikiLeaks opinion with other Fox personalities, like Bill O’Reilly.

The show? “Freedom Watch” with Judge Napolitano.

That’s not quite true.

I hate Fox as much as the next guy, but there is one show on Fox where the host is consistently defending Wikileaks’ right to publish and considers them journalists.

He even shares his pro-WikiLeaks opinion with other Fox personalities, like Bill O’Reilly.

The show? “Freedom Watch” with Judge Napolitano.

No, it’s just that Benito Obama is one big pus-ball of irony.

No, it’s just that Benito Obama is one big pus-ball of irony.

No, it’s just that Benito Obama is one big pus-ball of irony.

Benito Obama doesn’t wipe his ass. He has an aid to do that for him.

Benito Obama doesn’t wipe his ass. He has an aid to do that for him.

Benito Obama doesn’t wipe his ass. He has an aid to do that for him.

Imagine a world, where hackers start breaking into telephone lines of schmucks like Lieberman, and then posting the contents of their private communications to Wikileaks, or now Openleaks, just like what schmucks like Lieberman want to be able to do to the rest of us.

Imagine a world, where hackers start breaking into telephone lines of schmucks like Lieberman, and then posting the contents of their private communications to Wikileaks, or now Openleaks, just like what schmucks like Lieberman want to be able to do to the rest of us.

Imagine a world, where hackers start breaking into telephone lines of schmucks like Lieberman, and then posting the contents of their private communications to Wikileaks, or now Openleaks, just like what schmucks like Lieberman want to be able to do to the rest of us.

Hey State Department Assistant – STFU. You are a state department stooge and don’t therefore qualify for having an opinion. We as citizens have a right and a moral obligation to check up on fools like yourself that would rather run the Government in the dark in some small backroom.

Hey State Department Assistant – STFU. You are a state department stooge and don’t therefore qualify for having an opinion. We as citizens have a right and a moral obligation to check up on fools like yourself that would rather run the Government in the dark in some small backroom.

Hey State Department Assistant – STFU. You are a state department stooge and don’t therefore qualify for having an opinion. We as citizens have a right and a moral obligation to check up on fools like yourself that would rather run the Government in the dark in some small backroom.

No, it’s just ad hoc BS. These cretins don’t have a leg to stand on. But they understand that many U.S. citizens believe whatever the government says, so they just make up something that sounds authoritative. So far it’s worked fairly well.

No, it’s just ad hoc BS. These cretins don’t have a leg to stand on. But they understand that many U.S. citizens believe whatever the government says, so they just make up something that sounds authoritative. So far it’s worked fairly well.

No, it’s just ad hoc BS. These cretins don’t have a leg to stand on. But they understand that many U.S. citizens believe whatever the government says, so they just make up something that sounds authoritative. So far it’s worked fairly well.

And we believe the US State Department WHY?

AMERICAN GOVERNMENT LIES
http://www.americancivilrightsreview.com/governmentliesfolder.html

And we believe the US State Department WHY?

AMERICAN GOVERNMENT LIES
http://www.americancivilrightsreview.com/governmentliesfolder.html

And we believe the US State Department WHY?

AMERICAN GOVERNMENT LIES
http://www.americancivilrightsreview.com/governmentliesfolder.html

Our state department is FULL OF SHIT!

As Ellsberg has pointed out over and over, there is no official secrets act in the U.S. It’s prevented by the constitution, though there are currently attempts to pass legislation along those lines.

The State Department’s spokesman is spewing sophistries that could have come off the pages of a Kafka novel.

If he is accurately stating the legal administration of the Obama administration, Obama is a greater enemy of democracy and liberty than Cheney and Putin.

Benito Obama is incapable of embarrassment. Otherwise, he wouldn’t be kissing the asses of the Republicans. Do you have any idea how much that would embarrass a real man? The guy is nothing more than a bigtime house-slave.

We don’t have our fathers’ supreme court anymore

fuck you!!! what about rupert murdick/fox news? what about disney/abc? washington post/moonies?

Ha ha ha! Nice try but no cigar. If having a political agenda disqualifies Assange as a journalist, then, they’re gonna have to close the entire Ministry of Truth commonly known as “the media” in the US.

Don’t point out shit to them buddy.
This shit will never stick. Even if they do try to get him the Swedes will never turn him over and the UK is even less likely. There is no reason to freak out nothing will come of this.

I would rather hear how they are fixing the holes so this doesn’t continue to happen.

1982 called. It wants to introduce PJ to advocacy journalism.

I guess that revealing the Truth about the actions of our Government ends up being political.

Well…if memory serves me right, the FBI taped one Jane Hartman. Where’s there’s smoke, there’s fire, they say. That means that they’re probably taking all of ‘em bastards. (Yeah, our government is good that way, they all spy on each, rattle each other, stab each other on the back, trash each other, tape each other, screw each others. Hell, who needs WikiLeaks when they’ve got each other.) But, anyway, the point is that those tapes have got to be somewhere. Now, if Julian and his crew could figure out a way to get to those, who knows what kinda juicy stuff we could hear.

Weapons of Mass Distraction, son.

Shit, image that. Rush Limbass would have to go. Woo hoo!

Philip Rowley doesn’t consider Assange a journalist. So? I do! If one is not considered a journalist based on what they report on, everyone I disagree with would not be considered a journalist! So apparently Phil has defined what constitutes a journalist because Assange embarrassed a few old rich guys! Most of the robotic, scripted reporting on regular news is embarrassing so does that mean they aren’t real journalists? All of fox is an embarrassment so does that mean they aren’t…oops….bad example!

Yep, our way or Gitmo.

So, does this means that nobody on Fox News is considered a journalist either?

Huh?

He didn’t wear a condom either hey?

Well at least the Obama/Clinton Department of State didn’t let Bush off the hook for war crimes.

That was the Obama/Holden Department of Justice.

I like that – tears ago.

I like that – tears ago.

You may disagree with his policies or objectives, but your tone is unacceptable and racist. I’m sorry, but you don’t further the conversion talking like this.

You may disagree with his policies or objectives, but your tone is unacceptable and racist. I’m sorry, but you don’t further the conversion talking like this.

and my favorite, NPR – neoconlib propaganda radio.

and my favorite, NPR – neoconlib propaganda radio.

Precisely! Everything is being consolidated to one big monopoly and we, a natural resource to be overseen by the Benefactor.

Precisely! Everything is being consolidated to one big monopoly and we, a natural resource to be overseen by the Benefactor.

at this rate, we will die laughing

at this rate, we will die laughing

at this rate, we will die laughing

Haha, OK you just charmed me over. I apologize for my bad comments.

You’re right. We’ll leave it there I tend to offend people if I don’t stop my fingers soon enough.

Haha, OK you just charmed me over. I apologize for my bad comments.

You’re right. We’ll leave it there I tend to offend people if I don’t stop my fingers soon enough.

Haha, OK you just charmed me over. I apologize for my bad comments.

You’re right. We’ll leave it there I tend to offend people if I don’t stop my fingers soon enough.

Prove to me what an unbiased looks like, reads like, oh hallowed State Dept. I believe that the statement released by the State Dept. was “politically motivated”. I certainly think the case could be made for that-which would be a violation of the Hatch Act.

Prove to me what an unbiased looks like, reads like, oh hallowed State Dept. I believe that the statement released by the State Dept. was “politically motivated”. I certainly think the case could be made for that-which would be a violation of the Hatch Act.

Prove to me what an unbiased looks like, reads like, oh hallowed State Dept. I believe that the statement released by the State Dept. was “politically motivated”. I certainly think the case could be made for that-which would be a violation of the Hatch Act.

Infinite possibilities, and I am sure we have hundreds of well trained people working at it from every possible angle.

Infinite possibilities, and I am sure we have hundreds of well trained people working at it from every possible angle.

Infinite possibilities, and I am sure we have hundreds of well trained people working at it from every possible angle.

What ever happened to that weasel Combs. It’s just not funny without the weasel popping.

What ever happened to that weasel Combs. It’s just not funny without the weasel popping.

What ever happened to that weasel Combs. It’s just not funny without the weasel popping.

Go to C-SPAN 2 now!

Bernie Sanders is filibustering! Show your support for the Internet and Bernie!!!!

Go to C-SPAN 2 now!

Bernie Sanders is filibustering! Show your support for the Internet and Bernie!!!!

Go to C-SPAN 2 now!

Bernie Sanders is filibustering! Show your support for the Internet and Bernie!!!!

Not now. But after droopy drafts a bunch of laws and the compliant senate goes along with it…

Not now. But after droopy drafts a bunch of laws and the compliant senate goes along with it…

Not now. But after droopy drafts a bunch of laws and the compliant senate goes along with it…

That’s what I was about to say. I’m not so sure you want to go down that logical path, spokesdrone–you’re going to end up de-journalisting about 70% of the US media with the same brush.

Not that rampant internal inconsistency in rhetoric has been a problem in Washington since… well, ever, so far as I know.

That’s what I was about to say. I’m not so sure you want to go down that logical path, spokesdrone–you’re going to end up de-journalisting about 70% of the US media with the same brush.

Not that rampant internal inconsistency in rhetoric has been a problem in Washington since… well, ever, so far as I know.

That’s what I was about to say. I’m not so sure you want to go down that logical path, spokesdrone–you’re going to end up de-journalisting about 70% of the US media with the same brush.

Not that rampant internal inconsistency in rhetoric has been a problem in Washington since… well, ever, so far as I know.

Thats treasonous talk if I ever heard it Asst Sec.

Everyone has a political agenda in one way or another.

Thats treasonous talk if I ever heard it Asst Sec.

Everyone has a political agenda in one way or another.

Thats treasonous talk if I ever heard it Asst Sec.

Everyone has a political agenda in one way or another.

So fox doesn’t have a political agenda? BS is really stinking now. The harder they try to find a reason to criminalize Assange the more corupt they sound.

So fox doesn’t have a political agenda? BS is really stinking now. The harder they try to find a reason to criminalize Assange the more corupt they sound.

So fox doesn’t have a political agenda? BS is really stinking now. The harder they try to find a reason to criminalize Assange the more corupt they sound.

So only if the journalist licks the boots of the State Department are they considered non-biased politically. What a freaking joke.

So only if the journalist licks the boots of the State Department are they considered non-biased politically. What a freaking joke.

So only if the journalist licks the boots of the State Department are they considered non-biased politically. What a freaking joke.

Under this logic we should be able to arrest many at Faux Noise.

Under this logic we should be able to arrest many at Faux Noise.

Under this logic we should be able to arrest many at Faux Noise.

Same for MSNBC and CNN…they are all trash and all are owned by the military-industrial complex and they all love warfare. Fox just happens to be the biggest cheerleader.

Same for MSNBC and CNN…they are all trash and all are owned by the military-industrial complex and they all love warfare. Fox just happens to be the biggest cheerleader.

Same for MSNBC and CNN…they are all trash and all are owned by the military-industrial complex and they all love warfare. Fox just happens to be the biggest cheerleader.

This is an important point that I wish more people on both sides of the argument–including those in the government itself–would get through their skulls. The people who leaked these documents to Assange may or may not have committed a moral violation, but they have unquestionably violated their security clearances, and have therefore committed a crime. They should, following the letter and spirit of the law, be prosecuted.

That, however, has absolutely nothing to do with Assange, or really anything else on the publishing end of things. Manually letting the cat out of the bag is a crime. Pointing to the cat or moving it around once it has been let out, that’s journalism.

Now, had Assange been working for a foreign government, and had he paid or otherwise coerced the release of these documents, then there would be espionage issues, just like with any other foreign spy. Except he’s very much neither, obviously so.

This is an important point that I wish more people on both sides of the argument–including those in the government itself–would get through their skulls. The people who leaked these documents to Assange may or may not have committed a moral violation, but they have unquestionably violated their security clearances, and have therefore committed a crime. They should, following the letter and spirit of the law, be prosecuted.

That, however, has absolutely nothing to do with Assange, or really anything else on the publishing end of things. Manually letting the cat out of the bag is a crime. Pointing to the cat or moving it around once it has been let out, that’s journalism.

Now, had Assange been working for a foreign government, and had he paid or otherwise coerced the release of these documents, then there would be espionage issues, just like with any other foreign spy. Except he’s very much neither, obviously so.

This is an important point that I wish more people on both sides of the argument–including those in the government itself–would get through their skulls. The people who leaked these documents to Assange may or may not have committed a moral violation, but they have unquestionably violated their security clearances, and have therefore committed a crime. They should, following the letter and spirit of the law, be prosecuted.

That, however, has absolutely nothing to do with Assange, or really anything else on the publishing end of things. Manually letting the cat out of the bag is a crime. Pointing to the cat or moving it around once it has been let out, that’s journalism.

Now, had Assange been working for a foreign government, and had he paid or otherwise coerced the release of these documents, then there would be espionage issues, just like with any other foreign spy. Except he’s very much neither, obviously so.

Guess that should disqualify Fox then. No lack of evidence of its having a political agenda.

Guess that should disqualify Fox then. No lack of evidence of its having a political agenda.

Guess that should disqualify Fox then. No lack of evidence of its having a political agenda.

Thanks for your comment. I just remember when people were trying to justify Jonathan Pollard’s behavior as well he was only spying for an American Ally. The points is once the material is leaked to an ally or an enemy the secrecy and security is breached. Who it gets the material is inconsequential. What should be argued is not if Assange got the material, as much how did an Army Private get to download a huge amount of material off the SIPRNET, and why were computers in Iraq on the network had their security protocols disable.

If Assange didn’t get the material, someone else would had received it.

Thanks for your comment. I just remember when people were trying to justify Jonathan Pollard’s behavior as well he was only spying for an American Ally. The points is once the material is leaked to an ally or an enemy the secrecy and security is breached. Who it gets the material is inconsequential. What should be argued is not if Assange got the material, as much how did an Army Private get to download a huge amount of material off the SIPRNET, and why were computers in Iraq on the network had their security protocols disable.

If Assange didn’t get the material, someone else would had received it.

Thanks for your comment. I just remember when people were trying to justify Jonathan Pollard’s behavior as well he was only spying for an American Ally. The points is once the material is leaked to an ally or an enemy the secrecy and security is breached. Who it gets the material is inconsequential. What should be argued is not if Assange got the material, as much how did an Army Private get to download a huge amount of material off the SIPRNET, and why were computers in Iraq on the network had their security protocols disable.

If Assange didn’t get the material, someone else would had received it.

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/368131/december-09-2010/international-manhunt-for-julian-assange—daniel-ellsberg?xrs=synd_facebook

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/368131/december-09-2010/international-manhunt-for-julian-assange—daniel-ellsberg?xrs=synd_facebook

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Anarchy holds no higher power true, and therefore has no reverence to the rule of media, which is in and of itself, propaganda. Anarchy is the belief that mankind can make its own way through life without the help of a higher power. Therefore, anarchy has little or nothing to do with this particular subject. This topic revolves around democracy.

Anarchy holds no higher power true, and therefore has no reverence to the rule of media, which is in and of itself, propaganda. Anarchy is the belief that mankind can make its own way through life without the help of a higher power. Therefore, anarchy has little or nothing to do with this particular subject. This topic revolves around democracy.

Anarchy holds no higher power true, and therefore has no reverence to the rule of media, which is in and of itself, propaganda. Anarchy is the belief that mankind can make its own way through life without the help of a higher power. Therefore, anarchy has little or nothing to do with this particular subject. This topic revolves around democracy.

Hoooooo-boy, where to start-
Well, we have those that suggest the end of internet neutrality.
Loss of our 1st amendment rights.
More power for “Fox” style-media.
Less freedom of speech in traditional news sources.
The unprecedented idea of imprisoning a non citizen as a “traitor.”
Imprisoning someone a “spy” who has actually not stolen any information, merely passed it along, as did NYT and Guardian UK.
ect,fucking etc. Im not getting paid to school your ass, so I will clock off now.

Hoooooo-boy, where to start-
Well, we have those that suggest the end of internet neutrality.
Loss of our 1st amendment rights.
More power for “Fox” style-media.
Less freedom of speech in traditional news sources.
The unprecedented idea of imprisoning a non citizen as a “traitor.”
Imprisoning someone a “spy” who has actually not stolen any information, merely passed it along, as did NYT and Guardian UK.
ect,fucking etc. Im not getting paid to school your ass, so I will clock off now.

Funny, they didn’t seemed to concerned over Valarie Plames outing.

Funny, they didn’t seemed to concerned over Valarie Plames outing.

Oh let’s not forget good guys like James O’Keefe who do good things like attempt to tap phones, spin “expose” videos to destroy public services, and try to seduce evil reporters. He’s just doing his journalistic duty…

Oh let’s not forget good guys like James O’Keefe who do good things like attempt to tap phones, spin “expose” videos to destroy public services, and try to seduce evil reporters. He’s just doing his journalistic duty…

So has anyone made a Fox News joke yet?

Oh, I see … about 146 so far.

So has anyone made a Fox News joke yet?

Oh, I see … about 146 so far.

That about disqualifies all journalists.
Even if they themselves don’t have an agenda of some kind then their editors, producers and parent company CEO’s certainly do.

That about disqualifies all journalists.
Even if they themselves don’t have an agenda of some kind then their editors, producers and parent company CEO’s certainly do.

What does it matter whether or not Assange is a “journalist”. Journalists are not a protected class under the U.S. Constitution. Look at what the document actually says:

“Congress shall make no law… abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press…”

A press is a device that is used to print words. It doesn’t matter whether the person operating it is a journalist or a clown, and it doesn’t matter what is being printed on it. The operation of the press itself is a protected activity.

That said, I absolutely do believe Assange is a journalist of the first rate and has done more for the cause of freedom in our country than all the mainstream media combined.

What does it matter whether or not Assange is a “journalist”. Journalists are not a protected class under the U.S. Constitution. Look at what the document actually says:

“Congress shall make no law… abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press…”

A press is a device that is used to print words. It doesn’t matter whether the person operating it is a journalist or a clown, and it doesn’t matter what is being printed on it. The operation of the press itself is a protected activity.

That said, I absolutely do believe Assange is a journalist of the first rate and has done more for the cause of freedom in our country than all the mainstream media combined.

[...] The claim, which was announced by US Assistant Secretary of State P.J. Crowley came with the justification that Assange has an “…” [...]

a journalist without a political agenda is a fish out of water – who is kidding who.

a journalist without a political agenda is a fish out of water – who is kidding who.

Providing they lick objectively.

Providing they lick objectively.

Exactly how seriously should we take Peter King?

http://freshhorse.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/zeal-of-hypocrites/

Exactly how seriously should we take Peter King?

http://freshhorse.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/zeal-of-hypocrites/

This disqualifies those Anti-Royalist journalists who, prior to the American revolution, urged those political causes that were to create the United States.

This disqualifies those Anti-Royalist journalists who, prior to the American revolution, urged those political causes that were to create the United States.

Using that as an acid test means no one at Fox News is a journalist either, nor any of the many other “right” targeted media outlets.

I guess that’s all okay, but if your slant involves exposing the truth then you’re not a journalist (remember Fox News went to court for the right to lie)!

Hogwash I say! Free Julian Assange!

Using that as an acid test means no one at Fox News is a journalist either, nor any of the many other “right” targeted media outlets.

I guess that’s all okay, but if your slant involves exposing the truth then you’re not a journalist (remember Fox News went to court for the right to lie)!

Hogwash I say! Free Julian Assange!

Example of a State Approved Journalist: Rush Limbaugh

Example of a State Approved Journalist: Rush Limbaugh

A bad habit passed down from his father.

A bad habit passed down from his father.

Congress must act to strengthen laws that protect Journalists and Whistleblowers under the First Amendment. As for Fox news, I’d advice they close shop and run far and wide, because their days are numbered.

Congress must act to strengthen laws that protect Journalists and Whistleblowers under the First Amendment. As for Fox news, I’d advice they close shop and run far and wide, because their days are numbered.

If Peter King is so all-fired concerned about terrorism then why did he VILLIFY Joe Wilson for writing his article calling Bush out on the 16 word lie in the state of the union address? As I recall King was like a rabid dog, spewing trival like by telling the truth Wilson was somehow helping the terrorists, etc. Needless to say, since Valerie Plame’s covert work was to ferret out terrorists with WMD, outing her had a highly negative effect.

That didn’t seem to both King in the least. So I guess to him, it’s okay to out covert, non-official cover CIA agents, but telling the truth about how our tax dollars are being spent and wasted is just fine.
The guy’s a furr-ball. Dylan Ratigan should have him on his show..

If Peter King is so all-fired concerned about terrorism then why did he VILLIFY Joe Wilson for writing his article calling Bush out on the 16 word lie in the state of the union address? As I recall King was like a rabid dog, spewing trival like by telling the truth Wilson was somehow helping the terrorists, etc. Needless to say, since Valerie Plame’s covert work was to ferret out terrorists with WMD, outing her had a highly negative effect.

That didn’t seem to both King in the least. So I guess to him, it’s okay to out covert, non-official cover CIA agents, but telling the truth about how our tax dollars are being spent and wasted is just fine.
The guy’s a furr-ball. Dylan Ratigan should have him on his show..

One might better count the number who do not have a political motivation or agenda, than try to count those who do. The very statement itself, that Assange is not a journalist, is a choreographed shot, in which he is able to deliver a carefully couched slur that is intended to diminish the man and attempt to build support for a trial. Few men do not show some slant. This of course is trial every day for a true professional, to keep his opinion out of it. Most fail.
I reply in the same mode, in saying that it is my expectation that the US government will disappear Assange. A black plane will pick him up in London when he is extradited, and there will be no flight plan. There will be official silence on the matter, or denial. I am troubled about knowing how to respond if that happened. What should the people do? What are our choices? Can we live with having allowed our government to do such a thing?
Our government is terrified that their secrets will be released to the people, and they cannot see the hypocrisy of their ways for the narrowness of their vision.

One might better count the number who do not have a political motivation or agenda, than try to count those who do. The very statement itself, that Assange is not a journalist, is a choreographed shot, in which he is able to deliver a carefully couched slur that is intended to diminish the man and attempt to build support for a trial. Few men do not show some slant. This of course is trial every day for a true professional, to keep his opinion out of it. Most fail.
I reply in the same mode, in saying that it is my expectation that the US government will disappear Assange. A black plane will pick him up in London when he is extradited, and there will be no flight plan. There will be official silence on the matter, or denial. I am troubled about knowing how to respond if that happened. What should the people do? What are our choices? Can we live with having allowed our government to do such a thing?
Our government is terrified that their secrets will be released to the people, and they cannot see the hypocrisy of their ways for the narrowness of their vision.

Fox news has a policial objective, to be slanting everything republican and against dems and indepEndnts and you consider them journelists.. Cut the crap..We dont have free press anymore..

Fox news has a policial objective, to be slanting everything republican and against dems and indepEndnts and you consider them journelists.. Cut the crap..We dont have free press anymore..

Fox news has a policial objective, to be slanting everything republican and against dems and indepEndnts and you consider them journelists.. Cut the crap..We dont have free press anymore..

Fox news has a policial objective, to be slanting everything republican and against dems and indepEndnts and you consider them journelists.. Cut the crap..We dont have free press anymore..

I maintain that they disqualify for this chase by not acting on Plame. I hold that her matter is first in line and should be heard before any other. One cannot pick and choose whom to enforce the law against.

I maintain that they disqualify for this chase by not acting on Plame. I hold that her matter is first in line and should be heard before any other. One cannot pick and choose whom to enforce the law against.

I maintain that they disqualify for this chase by not acting on Plame. I hold that her matter is first in line and should be heard before any other. One cannot pick and choose whom to enforce the law against.

Article III -Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

I am told treason is very difficult to prosecute. Only about 16 people have ever been convicted in the history of the Republic. At least two were later pardoned and released.

One could rightly argue that the founding fathers were guilty of treason.

Article III -Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

I am told treason is very difficult to prosecute. Only about 16 people have ever been convicted in the history of the Republic. At least two were later pardoned and released.

One could rightly argue that the founding fathers were guilty of treason.

Article III -Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

I am told treason is very difficult to prosecute. Only about 16 people have ever been convicted in the history of the Republic. At least two were later pardoned and released.

One could rightly argue that the founding fathers were guilty of treason.

Aye, They love to expose secrets. The only difference is that they just make up their own.

Article III -Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

I am told treason is very difficult to prosecute. Only about 16 people have ever been convicted in the history of the Republic. At least two were later pardoned and released.

One could rightly argue that the founding fathers were guilty of treason.

No, no. That was the prior administration. Totally different, you see…

Aye, They love to expose secrets. The only difference is that they just make up their own.

No, no. That was the prior administration. Totally different, you see…

Funny, its happened hundreds of times. Ever heard of newspapers? You should familiarize yourself with the Court’s decision in the Pentagon Papers case. Its not illegal.

Funny, its happened hundreds of times. Ever heard of newspapers? You should familiarize yourself with the Court’s decision in the Pentagon Papers case. Its not illegal.

Funny, its happened hundreds of times. Ever heard of newspapers? You should familiarize yourself with the Court’s decision in the Pentagon Papers case. Its not illegal.

Torture, removal of habeas corpus, unending wars of aggression and now political prisoners. How quickly the US is descending into an evil empire.

Torture, removal of habeas corpus, unending wars of aggression and now political prisoners. How quickly the US is descending into an evil empire.

Torture, removal of habeas corpus, unending wars of aggression and now political prisoners. How quickly the US is descending into an evil empire.

Torture, removal of habeas corpus, unending wars of aggression and now political prisoners. How quickly the US is descending into an evil empire.

Sorry Truth. I went off before I read your response.

Sorry Truth. I went off before I read your response.

Sorry Truth. I went off before I read your response.

Sorry Truth. I went off before I read your response.

Bullshit.

CBS-In a court filing today, Patrick Fitzgerald provides a summary of Valerie Plame Wilson’s status with the CIA’s Counterproliferation Division at the time she was outed to the press by members of the Bush administration. Guess what? She was covert:
While assigned to CPD, Ms. Wilson engaged in temporary duty (TDY) travel overseas on official business. She traveled at least seven times to more than ten countries. When traveling overseas, Ms. Wilson always traveled under a cover identity — sometimes in true name and sometimes in alias — but always using cover — whether official or non-official cover (NOC) — with no ostensible relationship to the CIA.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/29/politics/animal/main2865777.shtml

Bullshit.

CBS-In a court filing today, Patrick Fitzgerald provides a summary of Valerie Plame Wilson’s status with the CIA’s Counterproliferation Division at the time she was outed to the press by members of the Bush administration. Guess what? She was covert:
While assigned to CPD, Ms. Wilson engaged in temporary duty (TDY) travel overseas on official business. She traveled at least seven times to more than ten countries. When traveling overseas, Ms. Wilson always traveled under a cover identity — sometimes in true name and sometimes in alias — but always using cover — whether official or non-official cover (NOC) — with no ostensible relationship to the CIA.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/29/politics/animal/main2865777.shtml

Bullshit.

CBS-In a court filing today, Patrick Fitzgerald provides a summary of Valerie Plame Wilson’s status with the CIA’s Counterproliferation Division at the time she was outed to the press by members of the Bush administration. Guess what? She was covert:
While assigned to CPD, Ms. Wilson engaged in temporary duty (TDY) travel overseas on official business. She traveled at least seven times to more than ten countries. When traveling overseas, Ms. Wilson always traveled under a cover identity — sometimes in true name and sometimes in alias — but always using cover — whether official or non-official cover (NOC) — with no ostensible relationship to the CIA.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/29/politics/animal/main2865777.shtml

Bullshit.

CBS-In a court filing today, Patrick Fitzgerald provides a summary of Valerie Plame Wilson’s status with the CIA’s Counterproliferation Division at the time she was outed to the press by members of the Bush administration. Guess what? She was covert:
While assigned to CPD, Ms. Wilson engaged in temporary duty (TDY) travel overseas on official business. She traveled at least seven times to more than ten countries. When traveling overseas, Ms. Wilson always traveled under a cover identity — sometimes in true name and sometimes in alias — but always using cover — whether official or non-official cover (NOC) — with no ostensible relationship to the CIA.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/29/politics/animal/main2865777.shtml

You seem to have an acute knowledge of intelligence for a person who possesses none of his/her own.

You seem to have an acute knowledge of intelligence for a person who possesses none of his/her own.

You seem to have an acute knowledge of intelligence for a person who possesses none of his/her own.

You seem to have an acute knowledge of intelligence for a person who possesses none of his/her own.

“There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious—makes you so sick at heart—that you can’t take part. You can’t even passively take part. And you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you’ve got to make it stop. And you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all.”

– Mario Savio
Free Speech Movement address, Berkeley, December 2, 1964

“There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious—makes you so sick at heart—that you can’t take part. You can’t even passively take part. And you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you’ve got to make it stop. And you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all.”

– Mario Savio
Free Speech Movement address, Berkeley, December 2, 1964

“There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious—makes you so sick at heart—that you can’t take part. You can’t even passively take part. And you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you’ve got to make it stop. And you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all.”

– Mario Savio
Free Speech Movement address, Berkeley, December 2, 1964

“There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious—makes you so sick at heart—that you can’t take part. You can’t even passively take part. And you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you’ve got to make it stop. And you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all.”

– Mario Savio
Free Speech Movement address, Berkeley, December 2, 1964

I hope FOX and their fellow travelers get nervous.

I hope FOX and their fellow travelers get nervous.

I hope FOX and their fellow travelers get nervous.

If this is the case, take FixedNews off the air. And remember Bush’s male whore Jeff Gannon lobbing him soft balls during his little ‘political objective’ stint? I don’t remember the State Dept bitching then when this prostitute was given ‘special’ access to the White House.

If this is the case, take FixedNews off the air. And remember Bush’s male whore Jeff Gannon lobbing him soft balls during his little ‘political objective’ stint? I don’t remember the State Dept bitching then when this prostitute was given ‘special’ access to the White House.

If this is the case, take FixedNews off the air. And remember Bush’s male whore Jeff Gannon lobbing him soft balls during his little ‘political objective’ stint? I don’t remember the State Dept bitching then when this prostitute was given ‘special’ access to the White House.

“Asked what Assange’s political objective is, he replied: ‘I think he’s an anarchist, but he’s not a journalist.’”

So…if you’re a capitalist you can still be considered a journalist?

“Asked what Assange’s political objective is, he replied: ‘I think he’s an anarchist, but he’s not a journalist.’”

So…if you’re a capitalist you can still be considered a journalist?

“Asked what Assange’s political objective is, he replied: ‘I think he’s an anarchist, but he’s not a journalist.’”

So…if you’re a capitalist you can still be considered a journalist?

“Asked what Assange’s political objective is, he replied: ‘I think he’s an anarchist, but he’s not a journalist.’”

So…if you’re a capitalist you can still be considered a journalist?

So Fox News isn’t news?

So Fox News isn’t news?

So Fox News isn’t news?

Assistant Secretary Philip Rowley said…

Where does this bureaucrat live, in a well?

Assistant Secretary Philip Rowley said…

Where does this bureaucrat live, in a well?

Assistant Secretary Philip Rowley said…

Where does this bureaucrat live, in a well?

there goes FAUX’s cover then?

there goes FAUX’s cover then?

there goes FAUX’s cover then?

We’ll see how serious they are when remove FoxNews from the White House press corps. Until then it’s all bs because the federal government got caught with its pants down.

We’ll see how serious they are when remove FoxNews from the White House press corps. Until then it’s all bs because the federal government got caught with its pants down.

We’ll see how serious they are when remove FoxNews from the White House press corps. Until then it’s all bs because the federal government got caught with its pants down.

We’ll see how serious they are when remove FoxNews from the White House press corps. Until then it’s all bs because the federal government got caught with its pants down.

We’ll see how serious they are when remove FoxNews from the White House press corps. Until then it’s all bs because the federal government got caught with its pants down.

I disagree only with your grammatical tense; “has descended” instead of “is descending”. Maybe I’m just cynical.

I disagree only with your grammatical tense; “has descended” instead of “is descending”. Maybe I’m just cynical.

I disagree only with your grammatical tense; “has descended” instead of “is descending”. Maybe I’m just cynical.

I disagree only with your grammatical tense; “has descended” instead of “is descending”. Maybe I’m just cynical.

I disagree only with your grammatical tense; “has descended” instead of “is descending”. Maybe I’m just cynical.

New president, same snotty little bastards speaking for the State dept.

New president, same snotty little bastards speaking for the State dept.

New president, same snotty little bastards speaking for the State dept.

New president, same snotty little bastards speaking for the State dept.

New president, same snotty little bastards speaking for the State dept.

New president, same snotty little bastards speaking for the State dept.

It looks like State Department Assistant Secretary Philip Rowley just made a play for the Anti-American Statement of the Year Award.

Democracy, for those of you who don’t know, if the art of politics. Rowley is openly declaring his hatred for our country. And he’s proud of it!

It’s just amazing all of the evil morons in the Obama administration. Every day with this shit.

It looks like State Department Assistant Secretary Philip Rowley just made a play for the Anti-American Statement of the Year Award.

Democracy, for those of you who don’t know, if the art of politics. Rowley is openly declaring his hatred for our country. And he’s proud of it!

It’s just amazing all of the evil morons in the Obama administration. Every day with this shit.

It looks like State Department Assistant Secretary Philip Rowley just made a play for the Anti-American Statement of the Year Award.

Democracy, for those of you who don’t know, if the art of politics. Rowley is openly declaring his hatred for our country. And he’s proud of it!

It’s just amazing all of the evil morons in the Obama administration. Every day with this shit.

It looks like State Department Assistant Secretary Philip Rowley just made a play for the Anti-American Statement of the Year Award.

Democracy, for those of you who don’t know, if the art of politics. Rowley is openly declaring his hatred for our country. And he’s proud of it!

It’s just amazing all of the evil morons in the Obama administration. Every day with this shit.

It looks like State Department Assistant Secretary Philip Rowley just made a play for the Anti-American Statement of the Year Award.

Democracy, for those of you who don’t know, if the art of politics. Rowley is openly declaring his hatred for our country. And he’s proud of it!

It’s just amazing all of the evil morons in the Obama administration. Every day with this shit.

But if your a spy you can still be a diplomat or vice versa ?

But if your a spy you can still be a diplomat or vice versa ?

But if your a spy you can still be a diplomat or vice versa ?

But if your a spy you can still be a diplomat or vice versa ?

But if your a spy you can still be a diplomat or vice versa ?

Did you ever stop to think that maybe you’re an incredible idiot?

Having ‘political objective’ disqualifies Assange ‘from being considered a journalist,’ State Dept. says…

Stop and think about that quote for a second, then substitute “FOX News” in place of “Assange”

Having ‘political objective’ disqualifies FOX News ‘from being considered a journalist,’ State Dept. says

Oooops…

Wonder if the same rule apples?
Never mind, I was “thinking” again.

Not a problem, H.P. Completely understandable to go off in the face of such idiocy.

Having 'political objective' disqualifies Assange 'from being ……

Here at World Spinner we are debating the same thing……

A nation cannot maintain both an empire abroad and a democracy at home… one must give way to the other.

What tripe.

These creeps are desperate for any sort of legitimacy.

They love the 1st Amendment, except when it exposes their corruption and incompetence.

If they can pry Justice Thomas and Scalia away from their political fundraising, they may be able to get an opinion.

Try again, Phil.

[...] His criteria for reclassifying someone from protected “journalist” to a legally vulnerable “political actor”: “Mr. Assange obviously has a particular political objective behind his activities, and I think that, among other things, disqualifies him as being considered a journalist,” Crowley said. READ RAW STORY [...]

How uninformed can they be? Do they not know that before 1900 ALL news media were overtly political?

Very good observation.

It is the very epitome of an oppressive system when the government decides who is entitled to publish or broadcast, and who isn’t, based on their political affiliations, or lack thereof.

Phillip Rowley should resign in shame for subverting our freedoms and democracy.

Well, I guess that does it for Foxnews, eh?

The most anti-America statements of the year come by the hour on Fox and on your heroes right wingnut radio shows. And don’t leave out Lizzy Cheney, another one of your far right lunatic pals, she has repeatedly made anti-American statements as so has her war criminal hero of your ilk father Dick.
It’s just amazing what a chump troll you are Atlantic Capers. There aren’t enough sheep on the planet to produce enough wool to cover everyones eyes, your right wing dog and pony show is a joke at best.

You and your neocon madmen pals really hate America

This is the funniest thing I’ve read all week.

This is the funniest thing I’ve read all week.

You truly do not understand freedom of the press and how mighty it became during the Vietnam “conflict”. Nixon went after Ellsberg by breaking into his residence and also his psychiatrist’s office to find information that they could compromise his reputation with. Also, keep in mind, that Ellsberg worked for a military-industrial organization (Rand Corporation) and that’s how he saw the actual truth of what was being done to the tax payers in the US.

Not to mention Watergate. I don’t read alot of news from US sources. I generally read or watch news & finance from Europe.

When the NYT published Ellsberg’s information, Nixon really, really wanted to get him because it showed all the fraud that was involved those same corporations.

My ex-husband served in the US Navy on the USS Coral Sea just off the coast of Vietnam. That was in 1966 – I didn’t know him then. But he observed perfectly good jets getting dumped overboard so the military could justify buying more jets. It was even down to throwing typewriters overboard.

I see no difference between the fraud and corruption that existed during that conflict, publication of the Pentagon Papers and WikiLeaks.

Someone has to bring the truth out.

You truly do not understand freedom of the press and how mighty it became during the Vietnam “conflict”. Nixon went after Ellsberg by breaking into his residence and also his psychiatrist’s office to find information that they could compromise his reputation with. Also, keep in mind, that Ellsberg worked for a military-industrial organization (Rand Corporation) and that’s how he saw the actual truth of what was being done to the tax payers in the US.

Not to mention Watergate. I don’t read alot of news from US sources. I generally read or watch news & finance from Europe.

When the NYT published Ellsberg’s information, Nixon really, really wanted to get him because it showed all the fraud that was involved those same corporations.

My ex-husband served in the US Navy on the USS Coral Sea just off the coast of Vietnam. That was in 1966 – I didn’t know him then. But he observed perfectly good jets getting dumped overboard so the military could justify buying more jets. It was even down to throwing typewriters overboard.

I see no difference between the fraud and corruption that existed during that conflict, publication of the Pentagon Papers and WikiLeaks.

Someone has to bring the truth out.

Is there some reason you need to copy a response in your comments. That’s really rude. No one even does that with email anymore.

Is there some reason you need to copy a response in your comments. That’s really rude. No one even does that with email anymore.

I’m sorry but that guy is an idiot. I don’t care if he supposedly supports WikiLeaks or not. He’s still a paid-off shill.

I’m sorry but that guy is an idiot. I don’t care if he supposedly supports WikiLeaks or not. He’s still a paid-off shill.

Really, then lets revoke press credentials from everybody at Fox News! These people need a reality check

Really, then lets revoke press credentials from everybody at Fox News! These people need a reality check

Thanks for spotting that brilliant bit of media analysis by the official!! And thanks for linking to my work. I must correct what you say about my view before it misleads anyone. My presentation says the opposite – it starts by saying that Wikileaks shares the characteristics of traditional journalism, but then it goes on to argue that it is doing something new. In fact, it is challenging the very basis of traditional mainstream media (and possibly mainstream politics, too).
As for journalists having opinions or ideological motives? Well of course they all do, it’s just that some are more overt than others.
cheers
Charlie Beckett
POLIS, LSE
http://www.charliebeckett.org/?p=3760

Thanks for spotting that brilliant bit of media analysis by the official!! And thanks for linking to my work. I must correct what you say about my view before it misleads anyone. My presentation says the opposite – it starts by saying that Wikileaks shares the characteristics of traditional journalism, but then it goes on to argue that it is doing something new. In fact, it is challenging the very basis of traditional mainstream media (and possibly mainstream politics, too).
As for journalists having opinions or ideological motives? Well of course they all do, it’s just that some are more overt than others.
cheers
Charlie Beckett
POLIS, LSE
http://www.charliebeckett.org/?p=3760

I would not put Bob Woodword and Carl Bernstein in the same class as Judith Miller. Woodward and Bernstein were real investigative journalists and uncovered the illegal activities conducted by CREEP and therefore a sitting US President. They were 100% backed by Ben Bradlee of the Washington Post. And that is what brought Richard Nixon down along with his immediate staff (most of whom served time in minimum security facilities). No President has been more reviled than Nixon. When Ford granted Nixon a pardon, he did a disservice to our country.

I would not put Bob Woodword and Carl Bernstein in the same class as Judith Miller. Woodward and Bernstein were real investigative journalists and uncovered the illegal activities conducted by CREEP and therefore a sitting US President. They were 100% backed by Ben Bradlee of the Washington Post. And that is what brought Richard Nixon down along with his immediate staff (most of whom served time in minimum security facilities). No President has been more reviled than Nixon. When Ford granted Nixon a pardon, he did a disservice to our country.

Oh yeah, that’s a hysterical site. “Where is JFK’s brain?” Actually, most of it was blown out of his skull and much of it onto his wife. Sheesh. I love idiots like this.

Oh yeah, that’s a hysterical site. “Where is JFK’s brain?” Actually, most of it was blown out of his skull and much of it onto his wife. Sheesh. I love idiots like this.

Well then shut down ABCNBCCBSCNNFOXMSNBC.

Quite true actually. His agenda is exposing deceit, lies, duplicity, abuse of power, and corruption. To governments this is the one truly dangerous agenda.

The new type of reporting, or journalism as this word is being loosely thrown around, is now being called a political actor. Shades of enemy combatants?

Come on. Political activists (activities are usually carried out by actors) have always been given free speech rights. Blowing up things with explosives has always been illegal, but speech in the form of reporting hardly equates to the use of explosives.

Clinton’s State department seems to be adopting the conflation tactics often used by Fux News. Confuse the he’ll out of everyone.

Look folks, let’s use a little common sense and give Hillary a big FU–her department is so bush.

Politically, at least in the US since the mid-1800′s, people who were independent thinkers and also working class, were frequently labelled as being an anarchist. Some of the more famous are Sacco & Vanzetti and Joe Hill. At the beginning of the labor union movement, which initially started at Ford Motor Company, those workers who signed on to the union were then denounced as “anarchists”.

I used to be in Labor Relations and when I lived in the Bay Area, one of the companies that I worked for had a union certification election demanded by the Longshore Workers Local 6. I have no idea how that fit into a high tech manufacturing company but once the petition is made to hold an election, that’s just the way it went. The point of this story is that the original leader of that union, was Austrailian and a naturalized citizen. He was branded as an “anarchist” and deported back to Austrailia. I know that doesn’t make sense but that was during the early 1900′s when the robber barons still called the shots.

Anarchy is not anything except a state of mind. But if you don’t agree with the powers that be, you are labeled as whatever the current title for an “enemy of the state”.

It’s just plain dangerous to be labeled as an anarchist.

You really need to get an education.

I won’t hold my breath about having the real war criminals shipped off to the Hague. W wouldn’t agree to the world court. I’m sure Obama won’t change that either.

“Having ‘political objective’ disqualifies Assange ‘from being considered a journalist,’ State Dept. say”.

In layman’s term, all citizens of the world are eligible for being tortured & sodomized with a broomstick ,in American Gulags

I hope you will send this to President Obama. He was just a baby at the time.

But Mario Salvio inspired a whole generation of activists back then, and Salvio’s movement morphed into the anti-Vietnam War movement in years following, and Salvio went on and became forgotten to most people.

I’m really glad you brought this out for the younger folks participating in this website. It’s doubtful that this stuff is even mentioned in our educational curriculums anymore. To illustrate, I recall a press secretary to Bush not being aware of the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962. That was appalling. And last I heard she was working in the current administration. Doesn’t the educational system teach these kids anything anymore?

Yes Mr. Obama, you have a lot to learn. You need to buck up and start looking to us old folks for some of your advice. You’ve got some Hill-country snakes working for you.

Yeah the State Department and Department of Justice should take their medicine and get on with their real jobs. Hillary and Holder should go if they’re not willing to reform their bush departments–that is flush their toilets.

Flush the toilet!

I’m sure someone has already said this, but if having a political objective means you’re not a journalist, no one at Fox News is a journalist.

Mass deception. Brother.

You took the words out of my mouth. Maybe the State Dept should shut Fox down once and for all. Or, with this definition of journalistic standards, perhaps the FCC should simply revoke all licenses from Fox.

Why didn’t you include Hillary?

hi Jane–

we met in high school, remember? on our third date you took off all your clothes and you demanded that I take your virginity.

I said that you should put your clothes back on and never again disgust me in the same way.

You just don’t belong at this party!

yeah, them taxpayers have got lots of money to back us!

The truth might be a political objective but in reality that is the goal of a journalists. Clearly the US State Department has gotten to used to embedded journalists, well sorry but, embedded journalists aren’t journalists they are propagandists and their objectives a fat pay check and a promotion means they are no longer journalists.
The steady pile of manure exuding from US mass media with regard to wikileaks proves how corrupt US mass media has become a lap dog to a corporate appointed government’s political interests.
The US state department run by a political prostitute who has long since abandoned her honour and integrity and publicly shamed her self, well what new judgements can we expect, Julian is a terrorist, Julian is an organised crime lord, Julian is an alien, Julian is a foreigner (oh wait, that one is true), Julian is the Antichrist.
So the US security incompetence becomes an Australian’s fault.

Wiki should get a prize in uncovering how history really works.

Wiki should get a prize in uncovering how history really works.

Actually, yes it is all on one side. Olbermann and Maddow do not pretend to be newscasters, but commentators. Fox, although it has its own rightist commentators and propagandists, also tells lies and presents them as news. At least the MSNBC commentators back up their opinions with facts. Fox backs up theirs with lies.

My father was a Washington correspondent for 50 years for a conservative small town paper, got cited in the Congressional Record for journalistic fairness by hardline conservatives as well as a few liberal members of Congress. I grew up with journalism, hung with my dad’s friends, which included Bob Novak as well as Helen Thomas. All three of them were past presidents of the Gridiron Club. I know perfectly well the difference between news reporting and propaganda. Fox is pure propaganda, kid.

Actually, yes it is all on one side. Olbermann and Maddow do not pretend to be newscasters, but commentators. Fox, although it has its own rightist commentators and propagandists, also tells lies and presents them as news. At least the MSNBC commentators back up their opinions with facts. Fox backs up theirs with lies.

My father was a Washington correspondent for 50 years for a conservative small town paper, got cited in the Congressional Record for journalistic fairness by hardline conservatives as well as a few liberal members of Congress. I grew up with journalism, hung with my dad’s friends, which included Bob Novak as well as Helen Thomas. All three of them were past presidents of the Gridiron Club. I know perfectly well the difference between news reporting and propaganda. Fox is pure propaganda, kid.

The courts have held how you protect your information says more that how you mark it. This has been consistant even for businesses who claim proprietary. What actions to take to protect the data or document and who and how many have access says classified or proprietary vice placing a stamp on it.

Here, we have gigabits of data out the door to the public by a private with a cd. Taking data off US Government classified systems. This at best will be embarrassing to explain.

Trying to go after press in the end I don’t think will work. Tell college kids not to read a website is IN FACT telling them to do and do it.

The real problem here is years and years of lax policies and tons of over classified material. This is the real issues, not Wikileaks. What is the value of a secret when everyone but your own people know?

This is Congress being idiots and using this as a political tool against each other but not really addressing the core problems. Of course, we on each side applaud our champions, but we add to this circus effect.

The courts have held how you protect your information says more that how you mark it. This has been consistant even for businesses who claim proprietary. What actions to take to protect the data or document and who and how many have access says classified or proprietary vice placing a stamp on it.

Here, we have gigabits of data out the door to the public by a private with a cd. Taking data off US Government classified systems. This at best will be embarrassing to explain.

Trying to go after press in the end I don’t think will work. Tell college kids not to read a website is IN FACT telling them to do and do it.

The real problem here is years and years of lax policies and tons of over classified material. This is the real issues, not Wikileaks. What is the value of a secret when everyone but your own people know?

This is Congress being idiots and using this as a political tool against each other but not really addressing the core problems. Of course, we on each side applaud our champions, but we add to this circus effect.

Washington Times, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, NY Times, … don’t have a political agenda?

Washington Times, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, NY Times, … don’t have a political agenda?

[...] Department is>> refusing to consider Assange a journalist worthy of free speech protections since he has a political view, totally unlike Fox or even MSNBC, [...]

Well, there goes Fox News. But I am not sure they ever considered themselves journalists

BTW News sites around the world, be favorable to US news or face an investigation.

This has been a public service announcement for Freedom Of The Press Worldwide.

Well, there goes Fox News. But I am not sure they ever considered themselves journalists

BTW News sites around the world, be favorable to US news or face an investigation.

This has been a public service announcement for Freedom Of The Press Worldwide.

The State Department deciding who is and who is not a journalist? That sends a great message.

Reign this guy in.

Maybe Philip Rowley can issue specially stamped papers for “Real” journalists to publish on. Or they can give an official mark to those websites that are capable of making it over the official bar (and pay for it, of course).

The State Department deciding who is and who is not a journalist? That sends a great message.

Reign this guy in.

Maybe Philip Rowley can issue specially stamped papers for “Real” journalists to publish on. Or they can give an official mark to those websites that are capable of making it over the official bar (and pay for it, of course).

If that is true, why is Faux News not shut down? They have a very obvious political agenda.

If that is true, why is Faux News not shut down? They have a very obvious political agenda.

[...] US State Dept. spokesman: Having a ‘political objective’ disqualifies Assange ‘from be… [...]

Just free Julian Assange and shut your zionazi traps up!

http://www.spacemission.org/

Just free Julian Assange and shut your zionazi traps up!

http://www.spacemission.org/

Well now that is without doubt the dumbest thing I have EVER heard in my entire life!

http://www.ultimate-privacy.edu.tc

Well now that is without doubt the dumbest thing I have EVER heard in my entire life!

http://www.ultimate-privacy.edu.tc

So when you shutting down FOX Crowley? Or are you too scared to go after your overlords?

So when you shutting down FOX Crowley? Or are you too scared to go after your overlords?

Great -so now transparency is a “political objective”

Great -so now transparency is a “political objective”

Hey wait a minute! Don’t be so quick to judge! If they want to say that, let them, so we can use that same definition to remove Fox from our airwaves.

Hey wait a minute! Don’t be so quick to judge! If they want to say that, let them, so we can use that same definition to remove Fox from our airwaves.

Hey wait a minute! Don’t be so quick to judge! If they want to say that, let them, so we can use that same definition to remove Fox from our airwaves.

‘political objective’ disqualifies Assange ‘from being considered a journalist’

That is what we have been saying about FAUX SNOOZE for a long time..

‘political objective’ disqualifies Assange ‘from being considered a journalist’

That is what we have been saying about FAUX SNOOZE for a long time..

‘political objective’ disqualifies Assange ‘from being considered a journalist’

That is what we have been saying about FAUX SNOOZE for a long time..

[...] The claim, which was announced by US Assistant Secretary of State P.J. Crowley came with the justification that Assange has an “agen…” [...]

Then 50% of journalists aren’t journalists.

Then 50% of journalists aren’t journalists.

Then 50% of journalists aren’t journalists.

Having a political objective disqualifies Assistant Secretary Phillip Rowley from being a public servant. He appears to be a political actor himself.

Having a political objective disqualifies Assistant Secretary Phillip Rowley from being a public servant. He appears to be a political actor himself.

Having a political objective disqualifies Assistant Secretary Phillip Rowley from being a public servant. He appears to be a political actor himself.

Senator Lieberman ,,I believe you and others finally realize that you cannot “LIE” at will,,,now as more of these sites appear,, you will be held accountable…I know you may not fully believe this,,,,This is REALITY and now has to be dealt with…When your good friend Sen.McCain sounds off,,,Even you must admit it strains the definition of sanity….Wait until most of these FOX NOISE viewers fully climb out of their Sheep Mode,,,,,Truth can be brutal to those that do not respect it,,,also the apathy bunch will finally see the light, then real change will happen quickly…………..How can $ 8.00 an hour Republicans not see what is happening to them and their families ?………………Wedge issues such as gays,,,guns and God is why…………………………………..Charles Belenchia

Senator Lieberman ,,I believe you and others finally realize that you cannot “LIE” at will,,,now as more of these sites appear,, you will be held accountable…I know you may not fully believe this,,,,This is REALITY and now has to be dealt with…When your good friend Sen.McCain sounds off,,,Even you must admit it strains the definition of sanity….Wait until most of these FOX NOISE viewers fully climb out of their Sheep Mode,,,,,Truth can be brutal to those that do not respect it,,,also the apathy bunch will finally see the light, then real change will happen quickly…………..How can $ 8.00 an hour Republicans not see what is happening to them and their families ?………………Wedge issues such as gays,,,guns and God is why…………………………………..Charles Belenchia

Might be a good do-nothing position, if this is the best Holder can come up with…

The folks calling for Assange/Wikileaks blood the MOST, are not likely to chase behind some legal rationale that inevitably leads to central ‘government’ certification.

If they do chase it…then they are all wedged.

(But then again, the US of late hasn’t been too concerned with whatever legal excuse they hash out to arrest people anyway; it’s the rationale of domestic law enforcement — say anything to get the warrant, get the ‘perp’ isolated and controlled, confiscate everything, threaten the family and income, coerce a confession and then explain the legalities away with some invented ‘urgency’ discovered after the warrant — “Police said tonight at a press conference that they were lucky they had to move when they did…officers discovered firearms on the premises, as well as, a small quantity of money, passports and other things police at this time can’t reveal” said gubmint certified journalist.)

Might be a good do-nothing position, if this is the best Holder can come up with…

The folks calling for Assange/Wikileaks blood the MOST, are not likely to chase behind some legal rationale that inevitably leads to central ‘government’ certification.

If they do chase it…then they are all wedged.

(But then again, the US of late hasn’t been too concerned with whatever legal excuse they hash out to arrest people anyway; it’s the rationale of domestic law enforcement — say anything to get the warrant, get the ‘perp’ isolated and controlled, confiscate everything, threaten the family and income, coerce a confession and then explain the legalities away with some invented ‘urgency’ discovered after the warrant — “Police said tonight at a press conference that they were lucky they had to move when they did…officers discovered firearms on the premises, as well as, a small quantity of money, passports and other things police at this time can’t reveal” said gubmint certified journalist.)

LMAO……………So true

LMAO……………So true

If you’re an anarchist how can you have a political objective? That’s a contradiction in terms.

If you’re an anarchist how can you have a political objective? That’s a contradiction in terms.

Glad you liked the quote, tpmco.
Truth is, I’m only a year younger than Barack Obama myself — and in fact I was born just at the moment that the Cuban Missile Crisis was happening. (I’m sure that was fun for my mom! To be giving birth when everyone was afraid that nuclear armageddon was about to be unleashed.)
I just read a lot of history, and the idea that Mario Savio conveyed with that famous quote has always struck me as an incredibly powerful truth. Because instead of a government “by and for the people”, the US government and the wealthy class it actually serves has long thought it could dictate it’s own brutal, authoritarian agendas to it’s own citizens, and to people across the entire world. And, the leadership of this government has always been willing to crush whomever disagreed with those dictates.
Seems to me that throughout history, the only way that people have ever successfully fought back, and can ever fight back against those dictates is to do exactly what Savio so eloquently described.

Glad you liked the quote, tpmco.
Truth is, I’m only a year younger than Barack Obama myself — and in fact I was born just at the moment that the Cuban Missile Crisis was happening. (I’m sure that was fun for my mom! To be giving birth when everyone was afraid that nuclear armageddon was about to be unleashed.)
I just read a lot of history, and the idea that Mario Savio conveyed with that famous quote has always struck me as an incredibly powerful truth. Because instead of a government “by and for the people”, the US government and the wealthy class it actually serves has long thought it could dictate it’s own brutal, authoritarian agendas to it’s own citizens, and to people across the entire world. And, the leadership of this government has always been willing to crush whomever disagreed with those dictates.
Seems to me that throughout history, the only way that people have ever successfully fought back, and can ever fight back against those dictates is to do exactly what Savio so eloquently described.

Hmmmmm.

Let’s see.

“Speaking to reporters recently, State Dept. Assistant Secretary Philip Rowley said that the United States does not consider WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange to be a “journalist” or “whistleblower.” He insisted that, under US law, he’s to be considered a “political actor.”

By this logic and with a dop of candor, Phil Rowley speaking to yes, a journalist should have better said…….

“Speaking to reporters recently, State Dept. Assistant Secretary Philip Rowley said that Wikileaks has indeed demonstrated that many United States Department of State personnel are not “ambassadors” or “cultural attaches”.” He insisted that, in fact many State Department personnel have been instructed to be and should be considered, “spies.”

Hmmmmm.

Let’s see.

“Speaking to reporters recently, State Dept. Assistant Secretary Philip Rowley said that the United States does not consider WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange to be a “journalist” or “whistleblower.” He insisted that, under US law, he’s to be considered a “political actor.”

By this logic and with a dop of candor, Phil Rowley speaking to yes, a journalist should have better said…….

“Speaking to reporters recently, State Dept. Assistant Secretary Philip Rowley said that Wikileaks has indeed demonstrated that many United States Department of State personnel are not “ambassadors” or “cultural attaches”.” He insisted that, in fact many State Department personnel have been instructed to be and should be considered, “spies.”

Hmmmmm.

Let’s see.

“Speaking to reporters recently, State Dept. Assistant Secretary Philip Rowley said that the United States does not consider WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange to be a “journalist” or “whistleblower.” He insisted that, under US law, he’s to be considered a “political actor.”

By this logic and with a dop of candor, Phil Rowley speaking to yes, a journalist should have better said…….

“Speaking to reporters recently, State Dept. Assistant Secretary Philip Rowley said that Wikileaks has indeed demonstrated that many United States Department of State personnel are not “ambassadors” or “cultural attaches”.” He insisted that, in fact many State Department personnel have been instructed to be and should be considered, “spies.”

Having a ‘political objective’ disqualifies Assange ‘from being considered a journalist’?

Give me a break!

See FoxNews, MSNBC, CNN, etc.

Having a ‘political objective’ disqualifies Assange ‘from being considered a journalist’?

Give me a break!

See FoxNews, MSNBC, CNN, etc.

Having a ‘political objective’ disqualifies Assange ‘from being considered a journalist’?

Give me a break!

See FoxNews, MSNBC, CNN, etc.

I never watch Fox, you moron troll. And I’ve never seen you post anything that wasn’t a defense of a Fox position. Literally. Have you ever posted anything that was not in support of the Fox/Neocon position?

Take this one for instance. You have taken the Fox position against Wikileaks. That’s because you’re a far right moron. Pretty simple, right?

It’s amazing how incredibly stupid you are.

I never watch Fox, you moron troll. And I’ve never seen you post anything that wasn’t a defense of a Fox position. Literally. Have you ever posted anything that was not in support of the Fox/Neocon position?

Take this one for instance. You have taken the Fox position against Wikileaks. That’s because you’re a far right moron. Pretty simple, right?

It’s amazing how incredibly stupid you are.

Don’t ya just love that green Lizard Juice…lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkmEZs_Kcms

Don’t ya just love that green Lizard Juice…lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkmEZs_Kcms

They are all Actors

They have their Exits and their Entrances and each in his time plays many parts.

They are all Actors

They have their Exits and their Entrances and each in his time plays many parts.

Huh?

her bush is so FU?

Who? not Bill

Huh?

her bush is so FU?

Who? not Bill

They say anything

Then desperately try to believe it…

Lost Souls

They say anything

Then desperately try to believe it…

Lost Souls

They lost both…

Greedy

Much too Greedy

They lost both…

Greedy

Much too Greedy

It’s 100% at Fox “News” by our own State Department standards.

Of course, we already knew that.

It’s 100% at Fox “News” by our own State Department standards.

Of course, we already knew that.

That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Please stop talking, you are making all Americans look like idiots.

That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Please stop talking, you are making all Americans look like idiots.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/palestinians-clinton-should-have-blamed-israel-for-failure-of-mideast-talks-1.330041

That’s some photo that Dumbass Liar has…

Probably crackin’ up…

Can’t live a lie continually bitch…

She aged Ten Years in Five days… lol

What will next month bring?

Bill’s gonna be looking for Monica again.

Barking Madness….

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/palestinians-clinton-should-have-blamed-israel-for-failure-of-mideast-talks-1.330041

That’s some photo that Dumbass Liar has…

Probably crackin’ up…

Can’t live a lie continually bitch…

She aged Ten Years in Five days… lol

What will next month bring?

Bill’s gonna be looking for Monica again.

Barking Madness….

Jokes aside, be afraid, very afraid. Don’t take Rowley for his word, but for what his statement says about the caliber and motivations of high-ranking government officials in this (and other recent) administrations.

When someone of his rank cannot (or chooses not to) parse the elementary facts in this case such as…

whistle-blowing vs. espionage vs, personality disorder vs. peak personal frustration (Manning and, possibly others)

reporting government officials’ words vs. fomenting overthrow vs. treason, (W.L.)

informing ignorant citizens vs. terrorizing innocent citizens, (W.L.)

typical press-reporter behavior vs. encouraging theft of govt property (W.L.)

yellow journalism in America vs. some ideal that never existed (W.L.)

whoever and whatever organizations are behind Assange vs. the “front” man (W.L.)

…and instead, intentionally confounds all of the above in order to pervert and abuse the justice system and divert attention from the fact that it was his own agency, the State Department, that egregiously failed to exercise standard security practices in its use of the SIPRnet (and, possibly, JWICS) – by 1) posting all communications there, and 2) failing to properly manage access to that net(s).

The Bush administration – and Rumsfeld in the DoD – may have forced all State Department information onto those nets (giving DoD more power over DoS), ostensibly, to facilitate information sharing between agencies (a fault cited by the 9/11 commission), but the wholesale uncritical dumping of all such DoS information there was foolish (and lazy) in the extreme and the current administration, having had two years to correct that obvious foolishness, had done nothing about it. With all that “at stake”, the base-line folly, security-wise, is that regardless of the impenetrability of those highly-secure nets from the outside, it is a maxim in the field that all the technological security in the world cannot protect the contents against a corrupt legitimate user of that net – Manning and possibly more in this case and, with probably a million users (in State, DoD, CIA etc) the probability of compromise by that means approaches certainty.

It ain’t rocket science – everyone in security knows, or should know, that. That Rowley, Clinton, Holder and Obama know that too and fail to take responsibility is an even bigger shame.

Jokes aside, be afraid, very afraid. Don’t take Rowley for his word, but for what his statement says about the caliber and motivations of high-ranking government officials in this (and other recent) administrations.

When someone of his rank cannot (or chooses not to) parse the elementary facts in this case such as…

whistle-blowing vs. espionage vs, personality disorder vs. peak personal frustration (Manning and, possibly others)

reporting government officials’ words vs. fomenting overthrow vs. treason, (W.L.)

informing ignorant citizens vs. terrorizing innocent citizens, (W.L.)

typical press-reporter behavior vs. encouraging theft of govt property (W.L.)

yellow journalism in America vs. some ideal that never existed (W.L.)

whoever and whatever organizations are behind Assange vs. the “front” man (W.L.)

…and instead, intentionally confounds all of the above in order to pervert and abuse the justice system and divert attention from the fact that it was his own agency, the State Department, that egregiously failed to exercise standard security practices in its use of the SIPRnet (and, possibly, JWICS) – by 1) posting all communications there, and 2) failing to properly manage access to that net(s).

The Bush administration – and Rumsfeld in the DoD – may have forced all State Department information onto those nets (giving DoD more power over DoS), ostensibly, to facilitate information sharing between agencies (a fault cited by the 9/11 commission), but the wholesale uncritical dumping of all such DoS information there was foolish (and lazy) in the extreme and the current administration, having had two years to correct that obvious foolishness, had done nothing about it. With all that “at stake”, the base-line folly, security-wise, is that regardless of the impenetrability of those highly-secure nets from the outside, it is a maxim in the field that all the technological security in the world cannot protect the contents against a corrupt legitimate user of that net – Manning and possibly more in this case and, with probably a million users (in State, DoD, CIA etc) the probability of compromise by that means approaches certainty.

It ain’t rocket science – everyone in security knows, or should know, that. That Rowley, Clinton, Holder and Obama know that too and fail to take responsibility is an even bigger shame.

I have my facts straight, unlike yourself.

The unclassified summary of Plame’s employment with the CIA at the time that syndicated columnist Robert Novak published her name on July 14, 2003 says, “Ms. Wilson was a covert CIA employee for who the CIA was taking affirmative measures to conceal her intelligence relationship to the United States.”

Plame worked as an operations officer in the Directorate of Operations and was assigned to the Counterproliferation Division (CPD) in January 2002 at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.

The employment history indicates that while she was assigned to CPD, Plame, “engaged in temporary duty travel overseas on official business.” The report says, “she traveled at least seven times to more than ten times.” When overseas Plame traveled undercover, “sometimes in true name and sometimes in alias — but always using cover — whether official or non-official (NOC) — with no ostensible relationship to the CIA.” http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679/ns/politics/

My facts versus your faith. Advantage: Facts

I have my facts straight, unlike yourself.

The unclassified summary of Plame’s employment with the CIA at the time that syndicated columnist Robert Novak published her name on July 14, 2003 says, “Ms. Wilson was a covert CIA employee for who the CIA was taking affirmative measures to conceal her intelligence relationship to the United States.”

Plame worked as an operations officer in the Directorate of Operations and was assigned to the Counterproliferation Division (CPD) in January 2002 at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.

The employment history indicates that while she was assigned to CPD, Plame, “engaged in temporary duty travel overseas on official business.” The report says, “she traveled at least seven times to more than ten times.” When overseas Plame traveled undercover, “sometimes in true name and sometimes in alias — but always using cover — whether official or non-official (NOC) — with no ostensible relationship to the CIA.” http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679/ns/politics/

My facts versus your faith. Advantage: Facts

Having a political objective disqualifies you from free speech? Then who is the first amendment for?

Having a political objective disqualifies you from free speech? Then who is the first amendment for?

Having a political objective disqualifies you from free speech? Then who is the first amendment for?

By stating that “Having ‘political objective’ disqualifies Assange ‘from being considered a journalist”…the State Department has just defined anybody at FOX News who’s lips have ever moved.

By stating that “Having ‘political objective’ disqualifies Assange ‘from being considered a journalist”…the State Department has just defined anybody at FOX News who’s lips have ever moved.

By stating that “Having ‘political objective’ disqualifies Assange ‘from being considered a journalist”…the State Department has just defined anybody at FOX News who’s lips have ever moved.

You are way off base. I was against both the Iraq war and the Afghan war. What idiot goes to war in Afghanistan after no country since Alexander the Great has won any battles/wars there. W!!!!!

I was in college during Vietnam and I had many friends who served through ROTC and others that were drafted or after the lottery had very low numbers guaranteeing being drafted.

You are way off base. I was against both the Iraq war and the Afghan war. What idiot goes to war in Afghanistan after no country since Alexander the Great has won any battles/wars there. W!!!!!

I was in college during Vietnam and I had many friends who served through ROTC and others that were drafted or after the lottery had very low numbers guaranteeing being drafted.

You are way off base. I was against both the Iraq war and the Afghan war. What idiot goes to war in Afghanistan after no country since Alexander the Great has won any battles/wars there. W!!!!!

I was in college during Vietnam and I had many friends who served through ROTC and others that were drafted or after the lottery had very low numbers guaranteeing being drafted.

when the government gets to define who is a journalist and who is not, we’ve moved to a total propaganda state, and the only info you’ll be aware of is what the government officially approves… we’re almost there.

when the government gets to define who is a journalist and who is not, we’ve moved to a total propaganda state, and the only info you’ll be aware of is what the government officially approves… we’re almost there.

when the government gets to define who is a journalist and who is not, we’ve moved to a total propaganda state, and the only info you’ll be aware of is what the government officially approves… we’re almost there.

At last. A post from you that doesn’t have Obama in it.

At last. A post from you that doesn’t have Obama in it.

At last. A post from you that doesn’t have Obama in it.

“after turning himself in on an unrelated charge of sexual assault in Sweden”

Please be more careful. No one has been charged with anything. Julian has been summoned for questioning.

“after turning himself in on an unrelated charge of sexual assault in Sweden”

Please be more careful. No one has been charged with anything. Julian has been summoned for questioning.

Evidently it’s been set aside only for those who want to suppress it for others.

Evidently it’s been set aside only for those who want to suppress it for others.

Now there was a political act if ever there was one. The revelation may have caused the loss of life and fortune for anyone who had cooperated with her.

Now there was a political act if ever there was one. The revelation may have caused the loss of life and fortune for anyone who had cooperated with her.

Being summoned for questioning is simply the bait…
Julian Assange’s fate will ultimately be determined by the use or misuse of extradition treaties between the various countries that want to nail him.

Being summoned for questioning is simply the bait…
Julian Assange’s fate will ultimately be determined by the use or misuse of extradition treaties between the various countries that want to nail him.

If you’re a ” true” patriot, you don’t know anything worth telling.

If you’re a ” true” patriot, you don’t know anything worth telling.

Does this mean the State Department can destroy FOX News? It is without doubt a “political actor” of the first order!

Assange an Wikileaks on the other hand seems to be doing what journalists used to do – report the truth.

Weapon of Mass Deception. I like that even better.

Weapon of Mass Deception. I like that even better.

Therein lies the rub. They can’t get him on anything. Yet.

Therein lies the rub. They can’t get him on anything. Yet.

That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Please stop talking, you’re making Americans look like idiots.

That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Please stop talking, you’re making Americans look like idiots.

That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Please stop talking, you’re making Americans look like idiots.

That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Please stop talking, you’re making Americans look like idiots.

” What is the value of a secret when everyone but your own people know”. This is the crux of the whole matter.

” What is the value of a secret when everyone but your own people know”. This is the crux of the whole matter.

Good point!

Good point!

Good point!

Prove he is wrong. The CIA classifies all employment information.

Prove he is wrong. The CIA classifies all employment information.

All employment information is classified at the CIA.

All employment information is classified at the CIA.

You should get the facts period.

You should get the facts period.

Boy, … The administration in which I voted for and helped put into office, … couldn’t be any more stupid.

Talk about buyers remorse!

Boy, … The administration in which I voted for and helped put into office, … couldn’t be any more stupid.

Talk about buyers remorse!

The ultimate censorship plan! Government published and regulated dictionaries.

The ultimate censorship plan! Government published and regulated dictionaries.

So now the only descriptor left for Fox commentators is buffoon.

Okay Sarah no more editorials. You are the definition of a political actor, and a bad one at that.

So now the only descriptor left for Fox commentators is buffoon.

Okay Sarah no more editorials. You are the definition of a political actor, and a bad one at that.

Yes, unlike the “Fair and unbiased” reporting at Fox, NYT, Wall st. Journal, Washinton Post, etc, ect, ad nauseum.

Yes, unlike the “Fair and unbiased” reporting at Fox, NYT, Wall st. Journal, Washinton Post, etc, ect, ad nauseum.

Yes, unlike the “Fair and unbiased” reporting at Fox, NYT, Wall st. Journal, Washinton Post, etc, ect, ad nauseum.

Corporate controlled government you lost all your credibility.

Corporate controlled government you lost all your credibility.

Open letter by Daniel Ellsberg, and others, to openly protest the Obama Administration and its policies on December 16th in DC.

Here is a link…

http://www.counterpunch.org/letter12102010.html

please help get the word out!

Open letter by Daniel Ellsberg, and others, to openly protest the Obama Administration and its policies on December 16th in DC.

Here is a link…

http://www.counterpunch.org/letter12102010.html

please help get the word out!

Open letter by Daniel Ellsberg, and others, to openly protest the Obama Administration and its policies on December 16th in DC.

Here is a link…

http://www.counterpunch.org/letter12102010.html

please help get the word out!

Charges of espionage?
Where did you get that?
He´s being held on charges of having irresponsible sex, which, as far as I know, is a pretty new and interesting law.

Charges of espionage?
Where did you get that?
He´s being held on charges of having irresponsible sex, which, as far as I know, is a pretty new and interesting law.

Charges of espionage?
Where did you get that?
He´s being held on charges of having irresponsible sex, which, as far as I know, is a pretty new and interesting law.

was it meth?

…crash and burn…

rehab?

not! rehabilitatable. rehab is for those who WANT to get well!

Mr. Assange obviously has a particular political objective behind his activities, and I think that, among other things, disqualifies him as being considered a journalist
———————————————————————————————————————————-
So when does the Justice Department raid FOX and shut the network down?

It’s just hypocrisy in motion.

Because C-Span Radio would have to find substitute content!

Good Gawd, we can’t do that!

you got it. she needs to go.

you got it. she needs to go.

I couldn’t remember that press secretary’s name last night, but now I do–Dana Perino. She said that she didn’t know about a Cuban Missile Crisis.

I may be wrong about the spelling of Mario’s last name, but I know good and well who he is, and I thank you again for bringing him into the discussion. Most of my formative years were spent in that bastion of secrecy, Livermore. Mario was probably the first to shine some light into what goes on in the world for me. Claude Cameron, my civics teacher at LHS was next.

The lingering question for me is why does power always gravitate towards evil? Don’t we, as a society, ever learn our lessons?

I couldn’t remember that press secretary’s name last night, but now I do–Dana Perino. She said that she didn’t know about a Cuban Missile Crisis.

I may be wrong about the spelling of Mario’s last name, but I know good and well who he is, and I thank you again for bringing him into the discussion. Most of my formative years were spent in that bastion of secrecy, Livermore. Mario was probably the first to shine some light into what goes on in the world for me. Claude Cameron, my civics teacher at LHS was next.

The lingering question for me is why does power always gravitate towards evil? Don’t we, as a society, ever learn our lessons?

It’s from Thom Hartman.

It’s from Thom Hartman.

I have just been watching the Iraq videos…

Take a look at the Collateral Murder and come back and tell me that Clinton and the whole rest of those US Government MotherFuckers do not deserve the same treatment?

Please let us all know soon?

I have just been watching the Iraq videos…

Take a look at the Collateral Murder and come back and tell me that Clinton and the whole rest of those US Government MotherFuckers do not deserve the same treatment?

Please let us all know soon?

So true what you say.

When will the liars read their own lips?

The best rehab would be to stand them in front of a mirror and have them issue their crap.

When they have watched the image of themselves telling the crap they expect decent intelligent citizens to swallow they should then be given a choice.

Do you accept what you are or would you like to see that again?

They’re so vain.

But soon, there would be none of them left….

So true what you say.

When will the liars read their own lips?

The best rehab would be to stand them in front of a mirror and have them issue their crap.

When they have watched the image of themselves telling the crap they expect decent intelligent citizens to swallow they should then be given a choice.

Do you accept what you are or would you like to see that again?

They’re so vain.

But soon, there would be none of them left….

Sorry I didn’t quite catch that.

What was your point?

Sorry I didn’t quite catch that.

What was your point?

[...] Having ‘political objective’ disqualifies Assange ‘from being considered a journalist,’ Stat… [...]

This is a very dangerous decision, and could delegitimize any journal or journalist with a known point of view.

This is a very dangerous decision, and could delegitimize any journal or journalist with a known point of view.

This is a very dangerous decision, and could delegitimize any journal or journalist with a known point of view.

This is a very dangerous decision, and could delegitimize any journal or journalist with a known point of view.

This is a very dangerous decision, and could delegitimize any journal or journalist with a known point of view.

This is a very dangerous decision, and could delegitimize any journal or journalist with a known point of view.

Only in USA…

Only in USA…

Only in USA…

Only in USA…

Only in USA…

The Justice Dept indirectly owns the Fox media..

Aren’t they a CIA Front?

The Justice Dept indirectly owns the Fox media..

Aren’t they a CIA Front?

The Justice Dept indirectly owns the Fox media..

Aren’t they a CIA Front?

The Justice Dept indirectly owns the Fox media..

Aren’t they a CIA Front?

The Justice Dept indirectly owns the Fox media..

Aren’t they a CIA Front?

Hey, I have reserved the word buffoon for the President.

Didn’t he say change?

Did he say he would close Gitmo as soon as he was in office?

Hey, I have reserved the word buffoon for the President.

Didn’t he say change?

Did he say he would close Gitmo as soon as he was in office?

Hey, I have reserved the word buffoon for the President.

Didn’t he say change?

Did he say he would close Gitmo as soon as he was in office?