Money laundering scandal rocks Vatican Bank

By Associated Press
Sunday, December 12, 2010 18:10 EST
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VATICAN CITY – This is no ordinary bank: The ATMs are in Latin. Priests use a private entrance. A life-size portrait of Pope Benedict XVI hangs on the wall.

Nevertheless, the Institute for Religious Works is a bank, and it’s under harsh new scrutiny in a case involving money-laundering allegations that led police to seize euro23 million ($30 million) in Vatican assets in September. Critics say the case shows that the “Vatican Bank” has never shed its penchant for secrecy and scandal.

The Vatican calls the seizure of assets a “misunderstanding” and expresses optimism it will be quickly cleared up. But court documents show that prosecutors say the Vatican Bank deliberately flouted anti-laundering laws “with the aim of hiding the ownership, destination and origin of the capital.” The documents also reveal investigators’ suspicions that clergy may have acted as fronts for corrupt businessmen and Mafia.

The documents pinpoint two transactions that have not been reported: one in 2009 involving the use of a false name, and another in 2010 in which the Vatican Bank withdrew euro650,000 ($860,000) from an Italian bank account but ignored bank requests to disclose where the money was headed.

The new allegations of financial impropriety could not come at a worse time for the Vatican, already hit by revelations that it sheltered pedophile priests. The corruption probe has given new hope to Holocaust survivors who tried unsuccessfully to sue in the United States, alleging that Nazi loot was stored in the Vatican Bank.

Yet the scandal is hardly the first for the centuries-old bank. In 1986, a Vatican financial adviser died after drinking cyanide-laced coffee in prison. Another was found dangling from a rope under London’s Blackfriars Bridge in 1982, his pockets stuffed with money and stones. The incidents blackened the bank’s reputation, raised suspicions of ties with the Mafia, and cost the Vatican hundreds of millions of dollars in legal clashes with Italian authorities.

On Sept. 21, financial police seized assets from a Vatican Bank account at the Rome branch of Credito Artigiano SpA. Investigators said the Vatican had failed to furnish information on the origin or destination of the funds as required by Italian law.

The bulk of the money, euro20 million ($26 million), was destined for JP Morgan in Frankfurt, with the remainder going to Banca del Fucino.

Prosecutors alleged the Vatican ignored regulations that foreign banks must communicate to Italian financial authorities where their money has come from. All banks have declined to comment.

In another case, financial police in Sicily said in late October that they uncovered money laundering involving the use of a Vatican Bank account by a priest in Rome whose uncle was convicted of Mafia association.

Authorities say some euro250,000 euros, illegally obtained from the regional government of Sicily for a fish breeding company, was sent to the priest by his father as a “charitable donation,” then sent back to Sicily from a Vatican Bank account using a series of home banking operations to make it difficult to trace.

The prosecutors’ office stated in court papers last month that while the bank has expressed a “generic and stated will” to conform to international standards, “there is no sign that the institutions of the Catholic church are moving in that direction.” It said its investigation had found “exactly the opposite.”

Legal waters are murky because of the Vatican’s special status as an independent state within Italy. This time, Italian investigators were able to move against the Vatican Bank because the Bank of Italy classifies it as a foreign financial institution operating in Italy. However, in one of the 1980s scandals, prosecutors could not arrest then-bank head Paul Marcinkus, an American archbishop, because Italy’s highest court ruled he had immunity.

Marcinkus, who died in 2006 and always proclaimed his innocence, was the inspiration for Francis Ford Coppola’s character Archbishop Gilday in “Godfather III.”

The Vatican has pledged to comply with EU financial standards and create a watchdog authority. Gianluigi Nuzzi, author of “Vatican SpA,” a 2009 book outlining the bank’s shady dealings, said it’s possible the Vatican is serious about coming clean, but he isn’t optimistic.

“I don’t trust them,” he said. “After the previous big scandals, they said ‘we’ll change’ and they didn’t. It’s happened too many times.”

He said the structure and culture of the institution is such that powerful account-holders can exert pressure on management, and some managers are simply resistant to change.

The list of account-holders is secret, though bank officials say there are some 40,000-45,000 among religious congregations, clergy, Vatican officials and lay people with Vatican connections.

The bank chairman is Ettore Gotti Tedeschi, also chairman of Banco Santander’s Italian operations, who was brought in last year to bring the Vatican Bank in line with Italian and international regulations. Gotti Tedeschi has been on a very public speaking tour extolling the benefits of a morality-based financial system.

“He went to sell the new image … not knowing that inside, the same things were still happening,” Nuzzi said. “They continued to do these transfers without the names, not necessarily in bad faith, but out of habit.”

It doesn’t help that Gotti Tedeschi himself and the bank’s No. 2 official, Paolo Cipriani, are under investigation for alleged violations of money-laundering laws. They were both questioned by Rome prosecutors on Sept. 30, although no charges have been filed.

In his testimony, Gotti Tedeschi said he knew next to nothing about the bank’s day-to-day operations, noting that he had been on the job less than a year and only works at the bank two full days a week.

According to the prosecutors’ interrogation transcripts obtained by AP, Gotti Tedeschi deflected most questions about the suspect transactions to Cipriani. Cipriani in turn said that when the Holy See transferred money without identifying the sender, it was the Vatican’s own money, not a client’s.

Gotti Tedeschi declined a request for an interview but said by e-mail that he questioned the motivations of prosecutors. In a speech in October, he described a wider plot against the church, decrying “personal attacks on the pope, the facts linked to pedophilia (that) still continue now with the issues that have seen myself involved.”

As the Vatican proclaims its innocence, the courts are holding firm. An Italian court has rejected a Vatican appeal to lift the order to seize assets.

The Vatican Bank was founded in 1942 by Pope Pius XII to manage assets destined for religious or charitable works. The bank, located in the tower of Niccolo V, is not open to the public, but people who use it described the layout to the AP.

Top prelates have a special entrance manned by security guards. There are about 100 staffers, 10 bank windows, a basement vault for safe deposit boxes, and ATMs that open in Latin but can be accessed in modern languages. In another concession to modern times, the bank recently began issuing credit cards.

In the scandals two decades ago, Sicilian financier Michele Sindona was appointed by the pope to manage the Vatican’s foreign investments. He also brought in Roberto Calvi, a Catholic banker in northern Italy.

Sindona’s banking empire collapsed in the mid-1970s and his links to the mob were exposed, sending him to prison and his eventual death from poisoned coffee. Calvi then inherited his role.

Calvi headed the Banco Ambrosiano, which collapsed in 1982 after the disappearance of $1.3 billion in loans made to dummy companies in Latin America. The Vatican had provided letters of credit for the loans.

Calvi was found a short time later hanging from scaffolding on Blackfriars Bridge, his pockets loaded with 11 pounds of bricks and $11,700 in various currencies. After an initial ruling of suicide, murder charges were filed against five people, including a major Mafia figure, but all were acquitted after trial.

While denying wrongdoing, the Vatican Bank paid $250 million to Ambrosiano’s creditors.

Both the Calvi and Sindona cases remain unsolved.

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  • Anonymous

    The Roman Catholic Church is the greatest corporation in history. Excellent marketing and branding, brand loyalty, and its followers are told that the CEO is infallible and talks to God. It’s a brilliant racket.

  • Anonymous

    The Roman Catholic Church is the greatest corporation in history. Excellent marketing and branding, brand loyalty, and its followers are told that the CEO is infallible and talks to God. It’s a brilliant racket.

  • Anonymous

    RMC is the mouthpiece of Satan. That’s why so much stench and corruption keeps flowing from this cesspool.

  • Anonymous

    RMC is the mouthpiece of Satan. That’s why so much stench and corruption keeps flowing from this cesspool.

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  • Anonymous

    The catholic church is a racket and has been since its being cooped by the political interests of Constantine. Imagine a small group of atheists attired in dresses, internationally plotting the take over of governments, abusing children and running a repeatedly corrupt banking enterprise. Do you think it would retain dignitary privileges around the world and have the power to shut down art shows that it finds distasteful? How is it that they get a pass for being delusional when anyone else would be spending time in jail? You’d think we might be using the house committee to ask; “Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Catholic church?”

  • Anonymous

    The catholic church is a racket and has been since its being cooped by the political interests of Constantine. Imagine a small group of atheists attired in dresses, internationally plotting the take over of governments, abusing children and running a repeatedly corrupt banking enterprise. Do you think it would retain dignitary privileges around the world and have the power to shut down art shows that it finds distasteful? How is it that they get a pass for being delusional when anyone else would be spending time in jail? You’d think we might be using the house committee to ask; “Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Catholic church?”

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Tax the church! Put the bastards out of business already. For crying out loud, this is the 21st century. Only thieves and idiots believe in that voodoo shit anymore.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Tax the church! Put the bastards out of business already. For crying out loud, this is the 21st century. Only thieves and idiots believe in that voodoo shit anymore.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Tax the church! Put the bastards out of business already. For crying out loud, this is the 21st century. Only thieves and idiots believe in that voodoo shit anymore.

  • kiboshki

    Sounds just like the world of big business, but with funny hats.

  • kiboshki

    Sounds just like the world of big business, but with funny hats.

  • kiboshki

    Sounds just like the world of big business, but with funny hats.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/RepublicConstitution?feature=mhum TruthRegimes

    If people had any memory whatsoever, they would know that this is not the first major banking scandal involving the Vatican. Look up the P2 Lodge, the BCCI, and the cocaine money laundering that was discovered during the 1980s. A deep, deep dark hole exists.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/RepublicConstitution?feature=mhum TruthRegimes

    If people had any memory whatsoever, they would know that this is not the first major banking scandal involving the Vatican. Look up the P2 Lodge, the BCCI, and the cocaine money laundering that was discovered during the 1980s. A deep, deep dark hole exists.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/RepublicConstitution?feature=mhum TruthRegimes

    If people had any memory whatsoever, they would know that this is not the first major banking scandal involving the Vatican. Look up the P2 Lodge, the BCCI, and the cocaine money laundering that was discovered during the 1980s. A deep, deep dark hole exists.

  • Anonymous

    It’s a terrorist organization. Freeze this money.

  • Anonymous

    To go along with “smoke and mirrors.”

  • Anonymous

    Tax them all.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Hell, double tax ‘em just to make up for all the time they’ve got by without paying their dues

  • Johnny Warbucks

    “Calvi was found a short time later hanging from scaffolding on Blackfriars Bridge, his pockets loaded with 11 pounds of bricks and $11,700 in various currencies. After an initial ruling of suicide, murder charges were filed against five people, including a major Mafia figure, but all were acquitted after trial.”

    And just yesterday, Bernie Made-off’s son was found in his basement, hanging from a dog leash. He didn’t even have a dog.

  • Anonymous

    The article refers to the murder of Calvi (although it does not tell the reader that his death was initially and incredibly pronounced a “suicide”) and involvement of Michele Sindona and Archbishop Marcinkus (the American cleric from mafia base Cicero, Illinois) in the 1980′s scandal.

    The P2 Opus Dei lodge was part of that scandal. The article does not relate the strong possibility that Pope John Paul the First was poisoned because of his intention to investigate and clamp down on Vatican bank corruption. Was he poisoned by the same cyanide-laced coffee that the financial adviser died of, and mentioned in the article? The Pope’s body was whisked away in the early morning hours immediately after his death and a poorly performed embalming performed which prevented it from being autopsied. This relatively young pope was in office just over a month and in excellent health before his untimely and surprising death. The attempted assassination of Pope John Paul II a couple years later may have also been related to the same scandal, and not a terrorist act as the mainstream media reported to us.

  • Anonymous

    The article refers to the murder of Calvi (although it does not tell the reader that his death was initially and incredibly pronounced a “suicide”) and involvement of Michele Sindona and Archbishop Marcinkus (the American cleric from mafia base Cicero, Illinois) in the 1980′s scandal.

    The P2 Opus Dei lodge was part of that scandal. The article does not relate the strong possibility that Pope John Paul the First was poisoned because of his intention to investigate and clamp down on Vatican bank corruption. Was he poisoned by the same cyanide-laced coffee that the financial adviser died of, and mentioned in the article? The Pope’s body was whisked away in the early morning hours immediately after his death and a poorly performed embalming performed which prevented it from being autopsied. This relatively young pope was in office just over a month and in excellent health before his untimely and surprising death. The attempted assassination of Pope John Paul II a couple years later may have also been related to the same scandal, and not a terrorist act as the mainstream media reported to us.

  • Anonymous

    The article refers to the murder of Calvi (although it does not tell the reader that his death was initially and incredibly pronounced a “suicide”) and involvement of Michele Sindona and Archbishop Marcinkus (the American cleric from mafia base Cicero, Illinois) in the 1980′s scandal.

    The P2 Opus Dei lodge was part of that scandal. The article does not relate the strong possibility that Pope John Paul the First was poisoned because of his intention to investigate and clamp down on Vatican bank corruption. Was he poisoned by the same cyanide-laced coffee that the financial adviser died of, and mentioned in the article? The Pope’s body was whisked away in the early morning hours immediately after his death and a poorly performed embalming performed which prevented it from being autopsied. This relatively young pope was in office just over a month and in excellent health before his untimely and surprising death. The attempted assassination of Pope John Paul II a couple years later may have also been related to the same scandal, and not a terrorist act as the mainstream media reported to us.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/5ADH43ZCS3NITAIJKNHHOXH5SY C H

    The Vatican is an independent entity. And for centuries they have relied on that to conceal what they do. This banking scandal has been in the news on and off for many years. And at the risk of sounding paranoid, the Catholic church has had many times over the centuries, dealt in assassination.

    The cases are unsolved? Perhaps someone got off, but despite what the verdict was, from most reports there seems to still be the feeling the church got rid of what was inconvenient. We all know that saying about absolute power and what it does.

  • Anonymous

    Pope John Paul was very old – but in good health. It was thought that the Vatican killed him off because he was going to expose the corrupt banking schemes that were going on between the mafia, the church, and South America and/or that he was going to allow Catholics to use birth control without fear of excommunication.

  • Anonymous

    I am SHOCKED that the Pope ‘n Them would be involved in criminal activity.

  • Anonymous

    It depends on what one calls “very old.” I am presently 55 years old. In a quick lookup in Wikipedia I find that Pope John Paul I died shortly before his 66th birthday after serving just 33 days as Pope. I am not a historian of the Catholic Church, but my impression is that most candidates for that office are not considered qualified before they reach their 60′s or 70′s at the very least.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Fritz-Lentz/100000680544297 Fritz Lentz

    fuck the jesuit general ( black pope) controlled catholic church damn devils.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Fritz-Lentz/100000680544297 Fritz Lentz

    fuck the jesuit general ( black pope) controlled catholic church damn devils.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah. I don’t go to their damn place to use anything or to tell them who the hell to run their shill game.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah. I don’t go to their damn place to use anything or to tell them who the hell to run their shill game.

  • Anonymous

    Nice job.

  • Anonymous

    Nice job.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Fritz-Lentz/100000680544297 Fritz Lentz

    extreme oath of the jesuit

    My son, heretofore you have been taught to act the dissembler: among Roman Catholics to be a Roman Catholic, and to spy even among your own brethren; to believe no man, to trust no man. Among the Reformers, to be a Reformer; among the Huguenots, to be a Huguenot; among the Calvinists, to be a Calvinist; among the Protestants, generally to be a Protestant; and obtaining their confidence to seek even to preach from their pulpits and to denounce with all the vehemence in your nature our Holy Religion and the Pope; and to descend so low as to become a Jew among the Jews, that you might be enabled to gather together all information for your Order as a faithful soldier of the Pope.

    You have been taught to insidiously plant the seeds of jealousy and hatred between communities, provinces and states that were at peace, and incite them to deeds of blood, involving them in war with each other, and to create revolutions and civil wars in countries that were independent and prosperous, cultivating the arts and sciences and enjoying the blessings of peace. To take sides with the combatants and to act secretly in concert with your brother Jesuit, who may be engaged on the other side, but openly opposed to that with which you might be connected; only that the Church might be the gainer in the end, in the conditions fixed in the treaties for peace and that the end justifies the means.

    You have been taught your duty as a spy, to gather all statistics, facts and information in your power from every source; to ingratiate yourself into the confidence of the family circle of Protestants and heretics of every class and character, as well as that of the merchant, the banker, the lawyer, among the schools and universities, in parliaments and legislatures, and in the judiciaries councils of state, and to “be all things to all men,” for the Pope’s sake, whose servants we are unto death.

    You have received all your instructions heretofore as a novice, a neophyte, and have served as a coadjutor, confessor and priest, but you have not been invested with all that is necessary to command in the Army of Loyola in the service of the Pope. You must serve the proper time as the instrument and executioner as directed by your superiors; for none can command here who has not consecrated his labors with the blood of the heretic; for “without the shedding of blood no man can be saved.” Therefore, to fit yourself for your work, and make your own salvation sure, you will, in addition to your former oath of obedience to your Order and your allegiance to the Pope, repeat after me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Fritz-Lentz/100000680544297 Fritz Lentz

    extreme oath of the jesuit

    My son, heretofore you have been taught to act the dissembler: among Roman Catholics to be a Roman Catholic, and to spy even among your own brethren; to believe no man, to trust no man. Among the Reformers, to be a Reformer; among the Huguenots, to be a Huguenot; among the Calvinists, to be a Calvinist; among the Protestants, generally to be a Protestant; and obtaining their confidence to seek even to preach from their pulpits and to denounce with all the vehemence in your nature our Holy Religion and the Pope; and to descend so low as to become a Jew among the Jews, that you might be enabled to gather together all information for your Order as a faithful soldier of the Pope.

    You have been taught to insidiously plant the seeds of jealousy and hatred between communities, provinces and states that were at peace, and incite them to deeds of blood, involving them in war with each other, and to create revolutions and civil wars in countries that were independent and prosperous, cultivating the arts and sciences and enjoying the blessings of peace. To take sides with the combatants and to act secretly in concert with your brother Jesuit, who may be engaged on the other side, but openly opposed to that with which you might be connected; only that the Church might be the gainer in the end, in the conditions fixed in the treaties for peace and that the end justifies the means.

    You have been taught your duty as a spy, to gather all statistics, facts and information in your power from every source; to ingratiate yourself into the confidence of the family circle of Protestants and heretics of every class and character, as well as that of the merchant, the banker, the lawyer, among the schools and universities, in parliaments and legislatures, and in the judiciaries councils of state, and to “be all things to all men,” for the Pope’s sake, whose servants we are unto death.

    You have received all your instructions heretofore as a novice, a neophyte, and have served as a coadjutor, confessor and priest, but you have not been invested with all that is necessary to command in the Army of Loyola in the service of the Pope. You must serve the proper time as the instrument and executioner as directed by your superiors; for none can command here who has not consecrated his labors with the blood of the heretic; for “without the shedding of blood no man can be saved.” Therefore, to fit yourself for your work, and make your own salvation sure, you will, in addition to your former oath of obedience to your Order and your allegiance to the Pope, repeat after me.

  • Anonymous

    Good work.

  • Anonymous

    Good work.

  • Anonymous

    You have to double check wiki. They have tories that scrub it.

  • Anonymous

    You have to double check wiki. They have tories that scrub it.

  • Anonymous

    God’s bankers feel that they don’t have to answer to banking authorities or to the police. They have a get-out-of-jail pass because Jebus said ”Render on to Caesar what is Ceasar’s, and to God what is God’s”. Who do these ”authorities” think they are, investigating God’s representatives on earth?

  • Anonymous

    God’s bankers feel that they don’t have to answer to banking authorities or to the police. They have a get-out-of-jail pass because Jebus said ”Render on to Caesar what is Ceasar’s, and to God what is God’s”. Who do these ”authorities” think they are, investigating God’s representatives on earth?

  • Anonymous

    God’s bankers feel that they don’t have to answer to banking authorities or to the police. They have a get-out-of-jail pass because Jebus said ”Render on to Caesar what is Ceasar’s, and to God what is God’s”. Who do these ”authorities” think they are, investigating God’s representatives on earth?

  • Anonymous

    I am thoroughly disgusted with the antics of the Catholic church. Will someone please get a court order to shut down this bunch of racketeers? Sieze their assets and padlock all the entrances. Imprison everyone who gets in the way. Use the seized wealth to heal the sick, make the lame to walk and pay for proper counseling for all the chdren it has abused and molested in the name of God. The sooner it’s gone the better the chance we will have world peace. If anyone tries to reopen the place, burn it to the ground. Stop this monstroous beast for Christ’s sake.

  • Anonymous

    I am thoroughly disgusted with the antics of the Catholic church. Will someone please get a court order to shut down this bunch of racketeers? Sieze their assets and padlock all the entrances. Imprison everyone who gets in the way. Use the seized wealth to heal the sick, make the lame to walk and pay for proper counseling for all the chdren it has abused and molested in the name of God. The sooner it’s gone the better the chance we will have world peace. If anyone tries to reopen the place, burn it to the ground. Stop this monstroous beast for Christ’s sake.

  • Anonymous

    I am thoroughly disgusted with the antics of the Catholic church. Will someone please get a court order to shut down this bunch of racketeers? Sieze their assets and padlock all the entrances. Imprison everyone who gets in the way. Use the seized wealth to heal the sick, make the lame to walk and pay for proper counseling for all the chdren it has abused and molested in the name of God. The sooner it’s gone the better the chance we will have world peace. If anyone tries to reopen the place, burn it to the ground. Stop this monstroous beast for Christ’s sake.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Fritz-Lentz/100000680544297 Fritz Lentz

    I, M———- N———-, Now, in the presence of Almighty God, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the blessed Michael the Archangel, the blessed St. John the Baptist, the holy Apostles St. Peter and St. Paul and all the saints and the sacred hosts of heaven, and to you, my ghostly father, the Superior general of the Society of Jesus, founded by St. Ignatius of Loyola, in the Pontificate of Paul the Third, and continued to the present, do by the womb of the Virgin, the matrix of God, and the rod of Jesus Christ, declare and swear, that his holiness the Pope is Christ’s Viceregent and is the true and only Head of the Catholic or Universal Church throughout the earth; and that by virtue of the keys of binding and loosing, given to his Holiness by my Saviour, Jesus Christ, he hath power to depose heretical kings, princes, states, commonwealths and governments, all being illegal without his sacred confirmation and that they may safely be destroyed. Therefore, to the utmost of my power, I shall and will defend this doctrine and his Holiness’ right and custom against all usurpers of the heretical or Protestant authority and churches of England and Scotland, and branches of the same now established in Ireland and on the Continent of America and elsewhere; and all adherents in the regard that they be usurped and heretical, opposing the sacred Mother Church of Rome. I do now renounce and disown any allegiance as due to any heretical king, prince or state named Protestants or Liberals or obedience to any of their laws, magistrates or officers.

    I do further declare that the doctrines of the churches of England and Scotland, of the Calvinists, Huguenots and others of the name Protestants or Liberals to be damnable, and they themselves damned and to be damned who will not forsake the same.

    I do further declare that I will help, assist and advise all or any of his Holiness’ agents in any place wherever I shall be, in Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, England, Ireland, or America, or in any other kingdom or territory I shall come to, and do my uttermost to extirpate the heretical Protestants or Liberals’ doctrines and to destroy all their pretended powers, regal or otherwise.

    I do further promise and declare, that notwithstanding I am dispensed with, to assume any religion heretical, for the propagating of the Mother Church’s interest, to keep secret and private all her agents counsels’ from time to time, as they may entrust me, and not to divulge, directly or indirectly, by word, writing or circumstance whatever; but to execute all that shall be proposed, given in charge or discovered unto me, by you, my ghostly father, or any of this sacred convent.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Fritz-Lentz/100000680544297 Fritz Lentz

    I, M———- N———-, Now, in the presence of Almighty God, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the blessed Michael the Archangel, the blessed St. John the Baptist, the holy Apostles St. Peter and St. Paul and all the saints and the sacred hosts of heaven, and to you, my ghostly father, the Superior general of the Society of Jesus, founded by St. Ignatius of Loyola, in the Pontificate of Paul the Third, and continued to the present, do by the womb of the Virgin, the matrix of God, and the rod of Jesus Christ, declare and swear, that his holiness the Pope is Christ’s Viceregent and is the true and only Head of the Catholic or Universal Church throughout the earth; and that by virtue of the keys of binding and loosing, given to his Holiness by my Saviour, Jesus Christ, he hath power to depose heretical kings, princes, states, commonwealths and governments, all being illegal without his sacred confirmation and that they may safely be destroyed. Therefore, to the utmost of my power, I shall and will defend this doctrine and his Holiness’ right and custom against all usurpers of the heretical or Protestant authority and churches of England and Scotland, and branches of the same now established in Ireland and on the Continent of America and elsewhere; and all adherents in the regard that they be usurped and heretical, opposing the sacred Mother Church of Rome. I do now renounce and disown any allegiance as due to any heretical king, prince or state named Protestants or Liberals or obedience to any of their laws, magistrates or officers.

    I do further declare that the doctrines of the churches of England and Scotland, of the Calvinists, Huguenots and others of the name Protestants or Liberals to be damnable, and they themselves damned and to be damned who will not forsake the same.

    I do further declare that I will help, assist and advise all or any of his Holiness’ agents in any place wherever I shall be, in Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, England, Ireland, or America, or in any other kingdom or territory I shall come to, and do my uttermost to extirpate the heretical Protestants or Liberals’ doctrines and to destroy all their pretended powers, regal or otherwise.

    I do further promise and declare, that notwithstanding I am dispensed with, to assume any religion heretical, for the propagating of the Mother Church’s interest, to keep secret and private all her agents counsels’ from time to time, as they may entrust me, and not to divulge, directly or indirectly, by word, writing or circumstance whatever; but to execute all that shall be proposed, given in charge or discovered unto me, by you, my ghostly father, or any of this sacred convent.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Fritz-Lentz/100000680544297 Fritz Lentz

    I, M———- N———-, Now, in the presence of Almighty God, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the blessed Michael the Archangel, the blessed St. John the Baptist, the holy Apostles St. Peter and St. Paul and all the saints and the sacred hosts of heaven, and to you, my ghostly father, the Superior general of the Society of Jesus, founded by St. Ignatius of Loyola, in the Pontificate of Paul the Third, and continued to the present, do by the womb of the Virgin, the matrix of God, and the rod of Jesus Christ, declare and swear, that his holiness the Pope is Christ’s Viceregent and is the true and only Head of the Catholic or Universal Church throughout the earth; and that by virtue of the keys of binding and loosing, given to his Holiness by my Saviour, Jesus Christ, he hath power to depose heretical kings, princes, states, commonwealths and governments, all being illegal without his sacred confirmation and that they may safely be destroyed. Therefore, to the utmost of my power, I shall and will defend this doctrine and his Holiness’ right and custom against all usurpers of the heretical or Protestant authority and churches of England and Scotland, and branches of the same now established in Ireland and on the Continent of America and elsewhere; and all adherents in the regard that they be usurped and heretical, opposing the sacred Mother Church of Rome. I do now renounce and disown any allegiance as due to any heretical king, prince or state named Protestants or Liberals or obedience to any of their laws, magistrates or officers.

    I do further declare that the doctrines of the churches of England and Scotland, of the Calvinists, Huguenots and others of the name Protestants or Liberals to be damnable, and they themselves damned and to be damned who will not forsake the same.

    I do further declare that I will help, assist and advise all or any of his Holiness’ agents in any place wherever I shall be, in Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, England, Ireland, or America, or in any other kingdom or territory I shall come to, and do my uttermost to extirpate the heretical Protestants or Liberals’ doctrines and to destroy all their pretended powers, regal or otherwise.

    I do further promise and declare, that notwithstanding I am dispensed with, to assume any religion heretical, for the propagating of the Mother Church’s interest, to keep secret and private all her agents counsels’ from time to time, as they may entrust me, and not to divulge, directly or indirectly, by word, writing or circumstance whatever; but to execute all that shall be proposed, given in charge or discovered unto me, by you, my ghostly father, or any of this sacred convent.

  • Anonymous

    These people are surely in need of a good neck bruising my friends. What say ye?

  • Anonymous

    These people are surely in need of a good neck bruising my friends. What say ye?

  • Anonymous

    These people are surely in need of a good neck bruising my friends. What say ye?

  • Anonymous

    He was the dog.

  • Anonymous

    He was the dog.

  • Anonymous

    He was the dog.

  • Anonymous

    But they got a Franchise agreement, signed by the Devil.

  • Anonymous

    But they got a Franchise agreement, signed by the Devil.

  • Anonymous

    But they got a Franchise agreement, signed by the Devil.

  • godistwaddle

    Buggering babies isn’t enough fun? These guys are not only perverted, they’re larcenous as well.

  • Anonymous

    I became disenchanted with the Catholic Church early on, when the priest told me to stop asking questions in Sunday School. I had a insatiable curiosity about some bible stories, even if some of them didn’t make sense. Their authoritarian hold on outdated sins like birth control, while third world populations explode, promise poverty to never ending future generations. Ironic isn’t it, but it is the poor who donate most of their meager savings to the Church. The double standard is rancid, as the Vatican protects pedophile priests, and new revelations of bank fraud, turns one’s stomach. True spirituality demands openness, humility, love, the vow to do no harm to other human beings, but what we have here is the arrogance, and corruption of absolute power.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UUQ34ONDA4APMWYCJVQIKQHMSE Yacir R

    no wonder, that occident believe less & less in god, those guys judgement will be harcher in the afterlife!

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Can’t argue with you on that.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Can’t argue with you on that.

  • Chip

    The business of religion is at the base of their corruption. Sunshine is a disinfectant and the Sun needs to shine on the Vatican, the Fed and governments in general.

  • Chip

    The business of religion is at the base of their corruption. Sunshine is a disinfectant and the Sun needs to shine on the Vatican, the Fed and governments in general.

  • Rush Goofbaugh

    Seems simple… I wonder why this doesn’t happen? Maybe they are trying to “hide” something. Naaaaaaaa that couldn’t be it…….

  • Rush Goofbaugh

    Seems simple… I wonder why this doesn’t happen? Maybe they are trying to “hide” something. Naaaaaaaa that couldn’t be it…….

  • PrissyPatriot

    Look, I know there are conspiracies-but Mark Madoff was not one of them. He did own a dog, so stop with the false info please-this isn’t Faux Noise. His dog, a Labradoodle, is named Grouper and like Madoff’s son, was found unharmed.

  • PrissyPatriot

    Look, I know there are conspiracies-but Mark Madoff was not one of them. He did own a dog, so stop with the false info please-this isn’t Faux Noise. His dog, a Labradoodle, is named Grouper and like Madoff’s son, was found unharmed.

  • PrissyPatriot

    Look, I know there are conspiracies-but Mark Madoff was not one of them. He did own a dog, so stop with the false info please-this isn’t Faux Noise. His dog, a Labradoodle, is named Grouper and like Madoff’s son, was found unharmed.

  • PrissyPatriot

    Look, I know there are conspiracies-but Mark Madoff was not one of them. He did own a dog, so stop with the false info please-this isn’t Faux Noise. His dog, a Labradoodle, is named Grouper and like Madoff’s son, was found unharmed.

  • D.Crockett

    REMEMBER WHAT DEEPTHROAT SAID FOLLOW “THE MONEY”

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Ok. I’m shutting up but only because you said please. And I’m telling Glen Beck on you, so you know.

    And if that wasn’t ole Bernie’s son hanging from the dog leash, then, who was it? Jimmy Hoffa?

  • Anonymous

    Haha! Even the Pope’s bank is a bitch to the world banksters!

  • Anonymous

    LOL, from little boyz to money laundering. The Catholics trly are the biggest CULT in the land!

    http://www.ultimate-privacy.edu.tc

  • PrissyPatriot

    Haha do tell the Mormon Fox preacher head I said he makes God retch…of course it was Bernie’s boy-no disagreement there- sooo I take it you were being satirical?

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  • Johnny Warbucks

    I shall pass your message on to Mr. Moron.

    Me? Satirical? Whatever gave you that idea?

  • Anonymous

    Corruption in the Church is as old as the Church itself.

  • http://twitter.com/akronsux akronsux

    There seems to be no scandal the Vatican can avoid.

  • Anonymous

    In God$ we Tru$t.

    How fricken Pios. In all honesty though, if they are going to keep up all their good works (raping babies and pushing Christendom to war with Islam) they need cash, lots of it. That’s just a fact of religious life. Besides, someone has to pay for the cocaine on the hookers ass, not to mention the hooker.

  • Anonymous

    Cult, word.

  • Anonymous

    You think they have been lying to us about god and life after death too?

  • Anonymous

    shut up you idiot. You god is a myth, your priest lie to you. You put all evil on others. Your god is bullshit to. You are a monkey and I have proof you cannot dispute. You can lie but you can’t dispute it. It’s called the FOSSIL RECORD. You should look into it. Take you buillshit glasses off first though.

    Hehehe joke is on you in the end.

  • samhoustonTX

    Italy — you have failed us since 1861. Act now. Annex the Vatican and seize its money and sell the rest. Establish a fund to aid victims of “Acts of God” (earthquakes, storms).

  • Anonymous

    Who sells the Pope indulgences?

  • Anonymous

    Don’t forget the awesomeness of the Medici papacy!

  • Anonymous

    I don’t see any falling bombs, what explosions. War, no this isn’t a war.

  • Anonymous

    The Vatican is nothing more and is morally no better than any other for profit corporation. If it had anything to do with Christian teachings it would sell everything it owns so it would “have treasure in heaven,” for “where your treasure lies so does your heart.” The Vatican is simply the Exxon Mobil of religion.

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  • Anonymous

    I’ll second that. They’re the lowest of scum, with thrilling headgear.

  • Anonymous

    I’ll second that. They’re the lowest of scum, with thrilling headgear.

  • Anonymous

    I’ll second that. They’re the lowest of scum, with thrilling headgear.

  • Anonymous

    The Cardinals are the Retail Agents for the Vatican and The Pope is directly contracted with Lucifer as his Principal Agent.

    This was the Holiest MLM scam ever

  • Anonymous

    The Cardinals are the Retail Agents for the Vatican and The Pope is directly contracted with Lucifer as his Principal Agent.

    This was the Holiest MLM scam ever

  • Anonymous

    The Cardinals are the Retail Agents for the Vatican and The Pope is directly contracted with Lucifer as his Principal Agent.

    This was the Holiest MLM scam ever

  • Anonymous

    Doing God’s work just like Goldman Sachs

  • Anonymous

    Doing God’s work just like Goldman Sachs

  • Anonymous

    Doing God’s work just like Goldman Sachs

  • Chip

    The Roman empire never really fell, it morphed into the catholic church once they found they could control the masses with guilt and the fear of hell and Roman taxation turned into tithing. It was a lot cheaper than keeping standing armies all along the frontier too. I don’t think the Vatican believes any of their magical stories themselves, behind closed doors they probably laugh at the suckers who swallow their stuff.

  • Chip

    The Roman empire never really fell, it morphed into the catholic church once they found they could control the masses with guilt and the fear of hell and Roman taxation turned into tithing. It was a lot cheaper than keeping standing armies all along the frontier too. I don’t think the Vatican believes any of their magical stories themselves, behind closed doors they probably laugh at the suckers who swallow their stuff.

  • Chip

    The Roman empire never really fell, it morphed into the catholic church once they found they could control the masses with guilt and the fear of hell and Roman taxation turned into tithing. It was a lot cheaper than keeping standing armies all along the frontier too. I don’t think the Vatican believes any of their magical stories themselves, behind closed doors they probably laugh at the suckers who swallow their stuff.

  • http://twitter.com/akronsux akronsux

    The Vatican should have it’s own reality show! this is better then sarah palins alaska!

  • http://twitter.com/akronsux akronsux

    The Vatican should have it’s own reality show! this is better then sarah palins alaska!

  • http://twitter.com/akronsux akronsux

    The Vatican should have it’s own reality show! this is better then sarah palins alaska!

  • http://twitter.com/akronsux akronsux

    The Vatican should have it’s own reality show! this is better then sarah palins alaska!

  • http://twitter.com/akronsux akronsux

    The Vatican should have it’s own reality show! this is better then sarah palins alaska!

  • Anonymous

    So you are saying Lucifer is in the derivatives business?

    What if there is no Lucifer and no God and that’s the biggest scam ever?

    The Greatest Story Every Told? When I translated that I got The Biggest Lie Ever Told.

    But then again I do believe in monkeys so who’s crazier than who. OH a fossil record, hmm how does that fit into all this?

    Either way brother we are in total agreement. I happen to think he’s sold his soul to himself but, that we can write off as semantics.

  • Anonymous

    So you are saying Lucifer is in the derivatives business?

    What if there is no Lucifer and no God and that’s the biggest scam ever?

    The Greatest Story Every Told? When I translated that I got The Biggest Lie Ever Told.

    But then again I do believe in monkeys so who’s crazier than who. OH a fossil record, hmm how does that fit into all this?

    Either way brother we are in total agreement. I happen to think he’s sold his soul to himself but, that we can write off as semantics.

  • Anonymous

    So you are saying Lucifer is in the derivatives business?

    What if there is no Lucifer and no God and that’s the biggest scam ever?

    The Greatest Story Every Told? When I translated that I got The Biggest Lie Ever Told.

    But then again I do believe in monkeys so who’s crazier than who. OH a fossil record, hmm how does that fit into all this?

    Either way brother we are in total agreement. I happen to think he’s sold his soul to himself but, that we can write off as semantics.

  • sukabi

    so how much coordinated lawlessness has to occur before an organization is declared a criminal enterprise???

  • sukabi

    so how much coordinated lawlessness has to occur before an organization is declared a criminal enterprise???

  • sukabi

    so how much coordinated lawlessness has to occur before an organization is declared a criminal enterprise???

  • sukabi

    so how much coordinated lawlessness has to occur before an organization is declared a criminal enterprise???

  • Anonymous

    Shocking isn’t it that another religion has been caught up in nefarious acts! With all the money that the catholic church and most other religions have taken in from sincere honest hard working people, one would think it would be enough! But no, their greed gets the best of them. Think about all the money taken in by the catholic charities all over the world! By now shouldn’t they have been able to say because of our good works and the generosity of our parishoners we have eradicated hunger and poverty? How many decades have the churches across the world been collecting for these causes and yet they haven’t even come close to solving the problems! Golly gee! Could it be because organized religions are just big businesses and once the leaders get the taste of the good life keep more and more for themselves and demand more and more from the hard working parishoners than they deserve or need!

  • Anonymous

    Shocking isn’t it that another religion has been caught up in nefarious acts! With all the money that the catholic church and most other religions have taken in from sincere honest hard working people, one would think it would be enough! But no, their greed gets the best of them. Think about all the money taken in by the catholic charities all over the world! By now shouldn’t they have been able to say because of our good works and the generosity of our parishoners we have eradicated hunger and poverty? How many decades have the churches across the world been collecting for these causes and yet they haven’t even come close to solving the problems! Golly gee! Could it be because organized religions are just big businesses and once the leaders get the taste of the good life keep more and more for themselves and demand more and more from the hard working parishoners than they deserve or need!

  • samhoustonTX

    I’m getting a warning message that visiting this site may injury my computer. Someone doesn’t want the report on the Vatican bank viewed.

  • samhoustonTX

    I’m getting a warning message that visiting this site may injury my computer. Someone doesn’t want the report on the Vatican bank viewed.

  • Anonymous

    Lucifer is the Chairman of God’s own Bankers, the Spiritual Reserve.

    He buys back all the Bad Debts at face value then wraps them over as Heavenly Bonds.

    The Cardinals operate from their Divestment Houses selling such Bonds as ‘Pearly Gates’ bearing the inscription, ‘In God We Trust-Everyone Else Pays Cash’

    Hope this helps.

  • Anonymous

    Lucifer is the Chairman of God’s own Bankers, the Spiritual Reserve.

    He buys back all the Bad Debts at face value then wraps them over as Heavenly Bonds.

    The Cardinals operate from their Divestment Houses selling such Bonds as ‘Pearly Gates’ bearing the inscription, ‘In God We Trust-Everyone Else Pays Cash’

    Hope this helps.

  • Anonymous

    I do do some fiction writing from time to time, so yes, awesome!

    You have to show me where this comes from… Real truth I have found lies between multiple sources. More sources you check closer you can get. Not that I actually believe in truth I think that’s made-up too!

    MORE MORE MORE! please and ty!

  • Anonymous

    I do do some fiction writing from time to time, so yes, awesome!

    You have to show me where this comes from… Real truth I have found lies between multiple sources. More sources you check closer you can get. Not that I actually believe in truth I think that’s made-up too!

    MORE MORE MORE! please and ty!

  • Anonymous

    Well all this is simply a transposition of the activities of the US Government’s Central Bank, the Federal Reserve.

    There ain’t nothing new under the sun.

    So put simply whatever the jew criminal banksta gangstas ever did the Pope can do better.

    His saving grace is that he wraps it over as Holy Water and a bearer of losses gains a Passage to Heaven.

    Whereas the jew criminal cartel is reduced to naming it as doing God’s Work, which is simply Blasphemy.

  • Anonymous

    Everything in the world is made better by funny hats.

  • Anonymous

    Everything in the world is made better by funny hats.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe this pope will get poisoned like the last one who wanted to audit the Vatican Bank.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe this pope will get poisoned like the last one who wanted to audit the Vatican Bank.

  • Anonymous

    Haha, nice! more more more DEVIL POWER!

  • Anonymous

    Haha, nice! more more more DEVIL POWER!

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, that’s it! Must be someone in Texas because I’m not getting any warning!

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, that’s it! Must be someone in Texas because I’m not getting any warning!

  • Anonymous

    Looks like Coppola will have to do another chapter in his “Godfather” series to explain what happened here!

  • Anonymous

    Looks like Coppola will have to do another chapter in his “Godfather” series to explain what happened here!

  • Anonymous

    The entire Vatican should be wrapped in yellow crime-scene tape.

  • Anonymous

    The entire Vatican should be wrapped in yellow crime-scene tape.

  • Anonymous

    The entire Vatican should be wrapped in yellow crime-scene tape.

  • http://twitter.com/Dtalon3 DATA

    lol people who laugh at the Idea of a supernatural creator then spout out at the mouth about single cell organisms evolving, then talk about how we use to be monkeys makes me laugh something fierce. In case you were wondering YOU SOUND JUST AS FUCKING STUPID.

    You don’t know where we came from, I don’t know where we came from, Lets stop pretending we actually know what we are talking about. “Factual” science has been proven wrong time and time again. Did you miss that they just found a life form with arsenic as a basic building block in it? The world was flat a few hundred years ago….whats next? please tell me since you know so much! yet can’t spell to save your damn life.

  • http://twitter.com/Dtalon3 DATA

    lol people who laugh at the Idea of a supernatural creator then spout out at the mouth about single cell organisms evolving, then talk about how we use to be monkeys makes me laugh something fierce. In case you were wondering YOU SOUND JUST AS FUCKING STUPID.

    You don’t know where we came from, I don’t know where we came from, Lets stop pretending we actually know what we are talking about. “Factual” science has been proven wrong time and time again. Did you miss that they just found a life form with arsenic as a basic building block in it? The world was flat a few hundred years ago….whats next? please tell me since you know so much! yet can’t spell to save your damn life.

  • Anonymous

    Catholic Church in a scandal? O my….what in heavens are we to do? Pray my son……..Wait we’re talking about the Catholic Church…no surprise here….now what is Brittany Spears up to today?

  • panamarick

    Jesus in a motorboat…you mean the catholic church is corrupt? Really? Holly…shit!

  • Anonymous

    Have you even looked at the fossil record or are you so set in your position facts and science are bullshit?

    What makes me laugh is someone can live some fouty odd years and still be such a moron they can’t figure out how the river carved the canyon.

    You desire for your bullshit to survive in the face of overwhelming evidence is truely miraculous.

    I have proof of my position, where is yours? Show me one single shred of evidence of a god, a creator or anything preached by any church and I will conceed that at least that evidence cannot be disputed. So far none of you present evidence at all.

    Oh sure lots of old books. But we have the letters many of your theologists wrote back and forth. Even they didn’t believe in life after death and such bullshit, it was for the huddled masses.

    You refuse to look. I do not assume to be able to crawl in the brain of an idiot who refused to find out and accepts what he is told.

    You attack on unrelated issues because you have no case. Your track record proves you are all liars and you have done all the things you claim to be sins, casting your own faith into question.

    You state “factual” science has been proven wrong time and time again? That’s the idea. We don’t just say this is how it is and then when presented with new facts say sorry, we’re sticking with our old bullshit, that’s the job of the church.

    Then you bring up a scientific story which is being largely questioned, nothing has been confirmed, no one is ready to declare anything on this front.

    If you knew anything at all about the science you condemn you would know that it’s just a theory, even if what they got was a legitimate result, science demands that it must be verifiable and repeatable. Until it is at the very least repeated, it will be met with skepticism.

    You have no leg to stand on so you attack my spell checker, that’s yeah about the size of your argument.

    In mho you are one of the stupidest people I have bothered responding too and the single largest bullshiter of them all.

    No offense intended, that’s just how it goes.

    When you have something to offer as proof rather than just attacks and smear I will listen to your arguments, but I do not take things on faith, that would be just stupid.

    I’ve read your bible son, you want to get into the nitty gritty, lets do it. But you better study up on that fossil thing.

    2k year old planet? That’s the stupidest shit I have ever heard, haha. Idiots lead around by the nose.

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  • http://twitter.com/Dtalon3 DATA

    nice rant. Did I ever take a position. You throw a lot of YOUR GOD THIS, YOUR BOOK THAT. Where in my post did I ever state I thought the planet was 2k years old? I don’t argue this particular point because no one’s mind will change. I just stated you sound as stupid as someone who takes the creation side, which, YOU DO!

    example:
    creationist: God came down made everything in 7 days and made humans out of dust and girls are from ribs of men.

    you:There was a bunch of soup and we slowly but surely sprouted legs and brains and eyes and then we were like ape things and then we became humans but ape things are still around just different and not evolving anymore.

    ADAPTATION IS VERY REAL! Coming from monkey’s not so much.

    In all your colorful broken sentences, unfinished thoughts you clearly have no reading comprehension skills along with some sort of clear hatred for anything you can not definitively prove through Imperfect Science. Unrelated issue? HA how does proving Science/scientists REALLY don’t know shit, unrelated?

    p.s. If Science is all about moving forward and not sticking to your old bullshit…why dont you tell me about Nicola Tesla, Cold Fusion, or any number of other TRUE SCIENTIFIC breakthroughs that have been buried.

  • http://twitter.com/Dtalon3 DATA

    nice rant. Did I ever take a position. You throw a lot of YOUR GOD THIS, YOUR BOOK THAT. Where in my post did I ever state I thought the planet was 2k years old? I don’t argue this particular point because no one’s mind will change. I just stated you sound as stupid as someone who takes the creation side, which, YOU DO!

    example:
    creationist: God came down made everything in 7 days and made humans out of dust and girls are from ribs of men.

    you:There was a bunch of soup and we slowly but surely sprouted legs and brains and eyes and then we were like ape things and then we became humans but ape things are still around just different and not evolving anymore.

    ADAPTATION IS VERY REAL! Coming from monkey’s not so much.

    In all your colorful broken sentences, unfinished thoughts you clearly have no reading comprehension skills along with some sort of clear hatred for anything you can not definitively prove through Imperfect Science. Unrelated issue? HA how does proving Science/scientists REALLY don’t know shit, unrelated?

    p.s. If Science is all about moving forward and not sticking to your old bullshit…why dont you tell me about Nicola Tesla, Cold Fusion, or any number of other TRUE SCIENTIFIC breakthroughs that have been buried.

  • Anonymous

    Yawn. Yeah we’ve been hearing this ever since Constantine elevated a bullshit artist to God.

    Can you do me a favor and rephrase all the blah blah bullshit. K thanks.

    Keep it coming I’ll trying to collect enough bullshit to fertilize my lawn without.

    You just attack, that’s all you have because your position is not only indefensible it’s idiotic.

    I have no problem with you being to stupid to know what science is or how it’s applied in the field. Nor do I care if you wish to devote your life to bullshit. I only care when you push you bullshit down others throats.

    Adaptaion is the backbone of evolution. It’s unfortunate you have been indoctrinated but I really could care less. It’s your immortal soul right?

    Haha immortal soul, that fricken funny. Makes the monkey thing sound pretty plausible.

    I suppose you will be passing on the stem cell cure for diabetes should you get that from a hooker? Or will god be handling that for you too?

    If you weren’t such an idiot making such hollow arguments I might be offended by you calling me DUM, but I didn’t lie about my brown power, I put it in the name for you.

    I might be a bad speller but you are full of shit.

    Calling anything you write literary is laughable haha. Keep ‘em coming son, this is mile a minute amusement.

  • Anonymous

    haha, yeah they are funny hats aren’t they!

  • Anonymous

    Like didn’t they own Safeway at one point?

  • Anonymous

    Again? Wow, what a surprise that an institution that has been corrupt throughout recorded history is as corrupt as ever. I hope WikiLeaks gets more on this. There must be a disgruntled clerk somewhere willing to pass on information. But, since they kill people, maybe not. Hackers, can you do this?

  • Anonymous

    I’m shocked…the largest pedophile operation in the world is involved in a scandal?
    Eric Holder needs to prosecute whoever leaked this info out for espionage!!!

  • http://twitter.com/Dtalon3 DATA

    Its funny how you go on about me attacking you as you do it right back. Really doesn’t help your argument at all. Either way once again you fail to comprehend. I have neither taken a side for or against in this, I just sound It all sounds SILLY ALL OF IT!

    Like I said in my first post no one has a definitive answer. Like you said in your Post all science is, is a theory, which in my opinion is stupid. “Lets call something fact until its proven wrong”…in the end I think we all have it wrong. The Bible was written by humans which makes it fallible to tampering (look at the history of the new king james version), Science is fallible because we don’t know half of what we think we do. We discover new things each week/month/year that we never thought possible.

    But don’t sit here and tell me the church is corrupt while science is not. The church is dependent upon its offerings while science is dependent upon grants and government funding. Clearly you are not stupid so open your eyes, we are being scientifically/technologically suppressed all the while being fed bits and pieces of bullshit.

    p.s.
    sincere inquiry-
    since you are of an evolutionary mind do you believe humans to be the only Sentient Life form?

  • Anonymous

    Yes, sucks when people throw your tactics back in your face. Seems rather childish when someone pulls your shit on you right?

    Do I believe we are the only Sentient life, another useless question. You have still presented zero proof of anything other than your own bullshit, but I’ll play along, this is a fun game son.

    Here we go, are you ready? I don’t Believe in anything. I know we are thus far the only “Sentient Life Form” we have found by our definition. Perhaps one day we will change that piece of the dictionary to include things like Dolphins.

    Believe, not that’s your gig. Present me with reasonable facts and I will change my position. Talking bullshit just doesn’t cut it.

    Keep talking talking monkey. That’s right, I have proof you are a monkey!

  • http://twitter.com/Dtalon3 DATA

    lol, what sucks? that your trying to insult me? or that you think whatever your doing makes upsets me in any way…childish tactics eh? telling you how horrible it is to read what you write is childish? your a funny little person with very little to say other than “I HAVE ROOF YOU MONKE”. lol

    reasonable fact. okay here is something reasonable for you to chew on. If you have this amazing proof I come from a monkey and have evolved, as science says. Then it is a REASONABLE FACT that we would not be the ONLY sentient Life form within this universe or any other to have evolved in a similar fashion. Scientifically you can dispute it, logically you can refuse it, Factually you can not prove or disprove it. Same as our own genetics.

    Once again your own words…Science is only fact until it is proven wrong.

    It will be proved wrong time and time again we don’t know anything and for you to say that you do know is IMO, pretty arrogant but then again most Absolute evolutionists are. No news there.

  • http://twitter.com/Dtalon3 DATA

    lol, what sucks? that your trying to insult me? or that you think whatever your doing makes upsets me in any way…childish tactics eh? telling you how horrible it is to read what you write is childish? your a funny little person with very little to say other than “I HAVE ROOF YOU MONKE”. lol

    reasonable fact. okay here is something reasonable for you to chew on. If you have this amazing proof I come from a monkey and have evolved, as science says. Then it is a REASONABLE FACT that we would not be the ONLY sentient Life form within this universe or any other to have evolved in a similar fashion. Scientifically you can dispute it, logically you can refuse it, Factually you can not prove or disprove it. Same as our own genetics.

    Once again your own words…Science is only fact until it is proven wrong.

    It will be proved wrong time and time again we don’t know anything and for you to say that you do know is IMO, pretty arrogant but then again most Absolute evolutionists are. No news there.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah I am not surprised you missed it all in your rage. No son, I am laughing at you, this is getting a little stale though.

    Once again you only attack and never prove you case, let alone state it clearly.

    But you’re thick as a brick wall so I’m not totally shocked to be honest.

    Science is only fact until it’s proven wrong? No that’s not how it works and once again shows clearly you have zero idea wtf you are talking about.

    Now I know nothing I show you will make a difference, however I love tossing cookies and Dinosaurs safely locked away behind a glass cage. Here’s a cookie.

    It’s actually not called “science” it’s called the Scientific Method. Yes once proven wrong any and all suppositions must be re-evaluated. Your pathetic grasp of how this work saddens me, but not to much.

    You have no proof to support your position, no understanding of what you label “science” and no room for new information in your inbred belief system handed to you by kings.

    It’s hilarious.

    I do have proof you are a monkey and here it is.

    It’s just a primmer, you know for silly children like you. I have tons more, but you can start here. Son.

    http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/education/explorations/tours/fossil/

    Oh wait Berkeley, yeah you guys don’t like that. Let me find something that’s not tainted by peace activists and anti-war protest, I know how much you all love killing things in Goddogs name.

    Non-technical and American, should be a good place to start, haven’t looked but everyone and I do mean everyone except people who are full of shit pretty much agree.

    Can’t be too bad.

    http://www.agiweb.org/news/evolution/

    This is not a theory, it’s a working functional model with a record…written in stone, you guys like shit written in stone right?

    You still have made no case, haven’t even told me what exactly it is you are selling. Are we talking Old Testament Bullshit of New Testament bullshit? Never mind I don’t care, I have all those books they all say the same shit, blah blah blah.

    That’s right I back up what I say with proof monkey boy. Ape descended life form.

    Back to the trees with you, shoo.

    Get back to me once you figure out what “science” actually is instead of just making shit up.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah I am not surprised you missed it all in your rage. No son, I am laughing at you, this is getting a little stale though.

    Once again you only attack and never prove you case, let alone state it clearly.

    But you’re thick as a brick wall so I’m not totally shocked to be honest.

    Science is only fact until it’s proven wrong? No that’s not how it works and once again shows clearly you have zero idea wtf you are talking about.

    Now I know nothing I show you will make a difference, however I love tossing cookies and Dinosaurs safely locked away behind a glass cage. Here’s a cookie.

    It’s actually not called “science” it’s called the Scientific Method. Yes once proven wrong any and all suppositions must be re-evaluated. Your pathetic grasp of how this work saddens me, but not to much.

    You have no proof to support your position, no understanding of what you label “science” and no room for new information in your inbred belief system handed to you by kings.

    It’s hilarious.

    I do have proof you are a monkey and here it is.

    It’s just a primmer, you know for silly children like you. I have tons more, but you can start here. Son.

    http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/education/explorations/tours/fossil/

    Oh wait Berkeley, yeah you guys don’t like that. Let me find something that’s not tainted by peace activists and anti-war protest, I know how much you all love killing things in Goddogs name.

    Non-technical and American, should be a good place to start, haven’t looked but everyone and I do mean everyone except people who are full of shit pretty much agree.

    Can’t be too bad.

    http://www.agiweb.org/news/evolution/

    This is not a theory, it’s a working functional model with a record…written in stone, you guys like shit written in stone right?

    You still have made no case, haven’t even told me what exactly it is you are selling. Are we talking Old Testament Bullshit of New Testament bullshit? Never mind I don’t care, I have all those books they all say the same shit, blah blah blah.

    That’s right I back up what I say with proof monkey boy. Ape descended life form.

    Back to the trees with you, shoo.

    Get back to me once you figure out what “science” actually is instead of just making shit up.

  • Anonymous

    Like I said, MY OWN WORDS. Present me with evidence and I will change my position. It is the only logical position to have.

  • Anonymous

    Like I said, MY OWN WORDS. Present me with evidence and I will change my position. It is the only logical position to have.

  • http://twitter.com/Dtalon3 DATA

    lol I think it is funny you are finally coming to grasp what I said in my original post to you.
    and you call ME SLOW? I HAVE NOT STATED A POSITION BECAUSE I DON’T HAVE ONE!
    Funny you keep asking me what it is while you throw me in with religious nut cases. fucking retard. SumDumWhiteBoy sums it up nicely. The scientific method is taught in elementary school if your not familiar with what it is or need to explain it to someone your a fool.

    Once again learn how to read and maybe you won’t get so bored talking back and forth about “beliefs” that you projected onto an anonymous person on the internet.

    I am not talking OLD testament or NEW testament, I think the war is a bunch of bullshit, Our government is a deluded clusterfuck of crooks and big business. Marijuana should be legalized, the bipartisan system should be abolished, the electoral college should be abolished, we are being lied to about what actually happened on 9/11.

    Just thought I would give you a few things I actually believe in so you don’t go and make yourself look even more retarded. Your blinded by your religious hatred so much that you can not have a simple conversation with someone disagreeing with you. Because I think evolution is a joke automatically means I believe what every other religious fanatic believes?

    here is the bottom line. My stance if you will. Defined just for you since you seem to not have gotten it 4 comments ago.

    I DO NOT KNOW WHERE WE CAME FROM! Neither does science, neither does the church, nor any other living person. We do not have records. We do not have FACTUAL PROOF. We have theories made by people much smarter than you or I. They may or may not be correct…I DO KNOW that since neither you nor I are anyone of import in the scientific/religous/political/social elite we will never know until we die.

    Fossil “proof” or not…you can say you know and that’s fine, whatever helps you sleep at night, Just know that if it is really necessary for you to cling to the “fossil evidence” for vindication of where you come from…your no better than the religious fanatics that cling to faith to explain where they come from.

  • http://twitter.com/Dtalon3 DATA

    lol I think it is funny you are finally coming to grasp what I said in my original post to you.
    and you call ME SLOW? I HAVE NOT STATED A POSITION BECAUSE I DON’T HAVE ONE!
    Funny you keep asking me what it is while you throw me in with religious nut cases. fucking retard. SumDumWhiteBoy sums it up nicely. The scientific method is taught in elementary school if your not familiar with what it is or need to explain it to someone your a fool.

    Once again learn how to read and maybe you won’t get so bored talking back and forth about “beliefs” that you projected onto an anonymous person on the internet.

    I am not talking OLD testament or NEW testament, I think the war is a bunch of bullshit, Our government is a deluded clusterfuck of crooks and big business. Marijuana should be legalized, the bipartisan system should be abolished, the electoral college should be abolished, we are being lied to about what actually happened on 9/11.

    Just thought I would give you a few things I actually believe in so you don’t go and make yourself look even more retarded. Your blinded by your religious hatred so much that you can not have a simple conversation with someone disagreeing with you. Because I think evolution is a joke automatically means I believe what every other religious fanatic believes?

    here is the bottom line. My stance if you will. Defined just for you since you seem to not have gotten it 4 comments ago.

    I DO NOT KNOW WHERE WE CAME FROM! Neither does science, neither does the church, nor any other living person. We do not have records. We do not have FACTUAL PROOF. We have theories made by people much smarter than you or I. They may or may not be correct…I DO KNOW that since neither you nor I are anyone of import in the scientific/religous/political/social elite we will never know until we die.

    Fossil “proof” or not…you can say you know and that’s fine, whatever helps you sleep at night, Just know that if it is really necessary for you to cling to the “fossil evidence” for vindication of where you come from…your no better than the religious fanatics that cling to faith to explain where they come from.

  • Anonymous

    True. You cannot necessarily trust Wikipedia, especially when government/political intrigues are involved. Wikipedia is like the three monkeys – see no evil, hear no evil, and speak no evil. However for just basic factual data it is usually trustworthy.

    I have yet to read the book, however I am aware that David Yallop investigated the death of Pope John Paul and wrote a book, In God’s Name, about his belief that he was murdered by poisoning. I plan to check it out from my library eventually.

  • Anonymous

    True. You cannot necessarily trust Wikipedia, especially when government/political intrigues are involved. Wikipedia is like the three monkeys – see no evil, hear no evil, and speak no evil. However for just basic factual data it is usually trustworthy.

    I have yet to read the book, however I am aware that David Yallop investigated the death of Pope John Paul and wrote a book, In God’s Name, about his belief that he was murdered by poisoning. I plan to check it out from my library eventually.

  • Anonymous

    True. You cannot necessarily trust Wikipedia, especially when government/political intrigues are involved. Wikipedia is like the three monkeys – see no evil, hear no evil, and speak no evil. However for just basic factual data it is usually trustworthy.

    I have yet to read the book, however I am aware that David Yallop investigated the death of Pope John Paul and wrote a book, In God’s Name, about his belief that he was murdered by poisoning. I plan to check it out from my library eventually.

  • Anonymous

    Careful…you are talking about the soon to be HEAD of the ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT.

    Who do you think is behind …who do you think is BIG ENOUGH, WEALTHIEST ENOUGH
    to orchestrate what is going on in the world? THE HOLY SEE—the pagan roman catholic church—the continuation of the pagan roman empire.

    They failed once before…they think, this time, they will succeed.

    Here, in this country, the murdering clintons (Rest In Peace Vince Foster), daddy and sonny bush (who exposed the US as the image of the beast), cheney, kissinger, rockerfellers and all the higherarchy of the TLC, CFR, Bildebergs, et all who pull the KENYEN PUPPET’S and BERNANKE’S (the other puppet) strings are ushering in the New World Order. WHY?

    They are HAVES. They want to remain HAVES in the new regime. They want their personal status quo to be maintained.

    You and I are HAVE NOTS. We will become like feudal serfs-SLAVES-or DEAD, if we are deemed USELESS EATERS. There is NO PLACE in the NEW WORLD ORDER for USELESS EATERS. Anyway, their goal is to cut the world population to 500 MILLION-a MANAGEABLE figure.

  • Anonymous

    The pagan roman catholic church is the present seat of satan on Earth.
    Prior to Rome…it was Greece, before that Medio-Persia, and before that Babylon.

    Religion (the whore and her daughters) teaches that when lucifer was exiled from Heaven, he grabbed a red suit and a pitchfork, grew a tail and horns, and set up shop in hell.

    Biblically, that fantasy (LIE) can’t be farther from the truth. He was cast on the Earth,
    and here he deceives.

  • Anonymous

    The pagan roman catholic church is the present seat of satan on Earth.
    Prior to Rome…it was Greece, before that Medio-Persia, and before that Babylon.

    Religion (the whore and her daughters) teaches that when lucifer was exiled from Heaven, he grabbed a red suit and a pitchfork, grew a tail and horns, and set up shop in hell.

    Biblically, that fantasy (LIE) can’t be farther from the truth. He was cast on the Earth,
    and here he deceives.

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