This should be VEEEERRRRY interesting :-)

This should be VEEEERRRRY interesting :-)

This should be VEEEERRRRY interesting :-)

I find it interestesting that when you fight for free speech and when you fight for democracy you are labeled a liberal but when you carry water for the uber wealthy and their lies to manipulate our social discourse, you are a conservative.
That just proves to me that this country was founded as a liberal country so when the dumbed down audience who support the neocons think they are fighting for the constitution they are actually supporting the destruction of democracy.

I find it interestesting that when you fight for free speech and when you fight for democracy you are labeled a liberal but when you carry water for the uber wealthy and their lies to manipulate our social discourse, you are a conservative.
That just proves to me that this country was founded as a liberal country so when the dumbed down audience who support the neocons think they are fighting for the constitution they are actually supporting the destruction of democracy.

I find it interestesting that when you fight for free speech and when you fight for democracy you are labeled a liberal but when you carry water for the uber wealthy and their lies to manipulate our social discourse, you are a conservative.
That just proves to me that this country was founded as a liberal country so when the dumbed down audience who support the neocons think they are fighting for the constitution they are actually supporting the destruction of democracy.

Woo hoo ! Free Speech may still live on. If only the mainstream media would step up.

Woo hoo ! Free Speech may still live on. If only the mainstream media would step up.

Woo hoo ! Free Speech may still live on. If only the mainstream media would step up.

[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Mike Briercliffe, Sebastian Green, Tina Veloria, Trakgalvis, owen and others. owen said: Michael Moore offers his servers to host Wikileaks docs, posts $20,000 bail: If Amazon.com won't host leaked dip… http://bit.ly/gYP9qo [...]

The bankers, who are so frightened by the coming files on their activities, cling to their invisible boot straps, while preparing to kick any man, woman or child who would dare to shine a light into their Ali Baba bunkers where they are stacking the stolen wealth of the world.
The longer this goes on the worst the explosion will be when it comes.

The bankers, who are so frightened by the coming files on their activities, cling to their invisible boot straps, while preparing to kick any man, woman or child who would dare to shine a light into their Ali Baba bunkers where they are stacking the stolen wealth of the world.
The longer this goes on the worst the explosion will be when it comes.

The bankers, who are so frightened by the coming files on their activities, cling to their invisible boot straps, while preparing to kick any man, woman or child who would dare to shine a light into their Ali Baba bunkers where they are stacking the stolen wealth of the world.
The longer this goes on the worst the explosion will be when it comes.

The bankers, who are so frightened by the coming files on their activities, cling to their invisible boot straps, while preparing to kick any man, woman or child who would dare to shine a light into their Ali Baba bunkers where they are stacking the stolen wealth of the world.
The longer this goes on the worst the explosion will be when it comes.

Nice to see Mike doing good work. However, democracy has never existed in the history of the world… anywhere on the planet. If legislation fixed anything we wouldn’t have speeders or murderers or illegal, immoral, first strike wars. I think moving on to something new like removing the monetary based economy and replacing it with a resourced based economy would be good start.

Nice to see Mike doing good work. However, democracy has never existed in the history of the world… anywhere on the planet. If legislation fixed anything we wouldn’t have speeders or murderers or illegal, immoral, first strike wars. I think moving on to something new like removing the monetary based economy and replacing it with a resourced based economy would be good start.

Nice to see Mike doing good work. However, democracy has never existed in the history of the world… anywhere on the planet. If legislation fixed anything we wouldn’t have speeders or murderers or illegal, immoral, first strike wars. I think moving on to something new like removing the monetary based economy and replacing it with a resourced based economy would be good start.

Agreed.This country was founded by classical liberalism. Not neo-conservatism, which is not far off from the tyrannizers ideology.

Agreed.This country was founded by classical liberalism. Not neo-conservatism, which is not far off from the tyrannizers ideology.

Agreed.This country was founded by classical liberalism. Not neo-conservatism, which is not far off from the tyrannizers ideology.

Agreed.This country was founded by classical liberalism. Not neo-conservatism, which is not far off from the tyrannizers ideology.

Be careful Michael. next thing you know, there will be rumors and accusations that you are a pedophile……But Hats off to you big man, for sticking to your principles & actually doing something.

Be careful Michael. next thing you know, there will be rumors and accusations that you are a pedophile……But Hats off to you big man, for sticking to your principles & actually doing something.

Be careful Michael. next thing you know, there will be rumors and accusations that you are a pedophile……But Hats off to you big man, for sticking to your principles & actually doing something.

It’s people like Michael Moore and Julian Assange who are willing to take great risks against long odds that are keeping the tide of totalitarian neocons from completely taking over world governments. The mainstream media has failed us. They are a propaganda tool with a corporate agenda. It takes grass roots activism and a lot of guts to reveal the hidden truths that world powers don’t want to reveal. Obama promised transparency but has not delivered. He has failed us. Michael and Julian are both heroes to the cause of freedom of speech and transparency of government.

It’s people like Michael Moore and Julian Assange who are willing to take great risks against long odds that are keeping the tide of totalitarian neocons from completely taking over world governments. The mainstream media has failed us. They are a propaganda tool with a corporate agenda. It takes grass roots activism and a lot of guts to reveal the hidden truths that world powers don’t want to reveal. Obama promised transparency but has not delivered. He has failed us. Michael and Julian are both heroes to the cause of freedom of speech and transparency of government.

It’s people like Michael Moore and Julian Assange who are willing to take great risks against long odds that are keeping the tide of totalitarian neocons from completely taking over world governments. The mainstream media has failed us. They are a propaganda tool with a corporate agenda. It takes grass roots activism and a lot of guts to reveal the hidden truths that world powers don’t want to reveal. Obama promised transparency but has not delivered. He has failed us. Michael and Julian are both heroes to the cause of freedom of speech and transparency of government.

This is a tory:

Pronunciation: ˈtȯr-ē
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural Tories
Etymology: Irish tóraidhe outlaw, robber, from Middle Irish tóir pursuit
Date: 1646

1 : a dispossessed Irishman subsisting as an outlaw chiefly in the 17th century
2 obsolete : bandit, outlaw
3 a : a member or supporter of a major British political group of the 18th and early 19th centuries favoring at first the Stuarts and later royal authority and the established church and seeking to preserve the traditional political structure and defeat parliamentary reform — compare whig b : conservative 1b
4 : an American upholding the cause of the British Crown against the supporters of colonial independence during the American Revolution : loyalist
5 often not capitalized : an extreme conservative especially in political and economic principles

— Tory adjective

This is a tory:

Pronunciation: ˈtȯr-ē
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural Tories
Etymology: Irish tóraidhe outlaw, robber, from Middle Irish tóir pursuit
Date: 1646

1 : a dispossessed Irishman subsisting as an outlaw chiefly in the 17th century
2 obsolete : bandit, outlaw
3 a : a member or supporter of a major British political group of the 18th and early 19th centuries favoring at first the Stuarts and later royal authority and the established church and seeking to preserve the traditional political structure and defeat parliamentary reform — compare whig b : conservative 1b
4 : an American upholding the cause of the British Crown against the supporters of colonial independence during the American Revolution : loyalist
5 often not capitalized : an extreme conservative especially in political and economic principles

— Tory adjective

This is a tory:

Pronunciation: ˈtȯr-ē
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural Tories
Etymology: Irish tóraidhe outlaw, robber, from Middle Irish tóir pursuit
Date: 1646

1 : a dispossessed Irishman subsisting as an outlaw chiefly in the 17th century
2 obsolete : bandit, outlaw
3 a : a member or supporter of a major British political group of the 18th and early 19th centuries favoring at first the Stuarts and later royal authority and the established church and seeking to preserve the traditional political structure and defeat parliamentary reform — compare whig b : conservative 1b
4 : an American upholding the cause of the British Crown against the supporters of colonial independence during the American Revolution : loyalist
5 often not capitalized : an extreme conservative especially in political and economic principles

— Tory adjective

Thank you Michael for standing in/standing up. You are such a breath of fresh air for all of us.

Thank you Michael for standing in/standing up. You are such a breath of fresh air for all of us.

Thank you Michael for standing in/standing up. You are such a breath of fresh air for all of us.

I should be married to Michael Moore. He’s a frikking GOD. He doesn’t give a damn what anyone thinks. He has his opinion and he’ll damn well share it. Good for Michael!!

I should be married to Michael Moore. He’s a frikking GOD. He doesn’t give a damn what anyone thinks. He has his opinion and he’ll damn well share it. Good for Michael!!

I should be married to Michael Moore. He’s a frikking GOD. He doesn’t give a damn what anyone thinks. He has his opinion and he’ll damn well share it. Good for Michael!!

How about a Documentary on Julian, Mike ?

How about a Documentary on Julian, Mike ?

How about a Documentary on Julian, Mike ?

How about a Documentary on Julian, Mike ?

How about a Documentary on Julian, Mike ?

How about a Documentary on Julian, Mike ?

?????

?????

?????

?????

http://www.thevenusproject.com would be a good supporting link if you’re going to toss around concepts like “resource based economy”, that and http://www.thevenusproject.com :)

But even that won’t “fix” things like speeding or abuse. The core tenant of a “better world” is to better educate people, instill the one rule that matters, and have people actually value it.. the golden rule.. “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”. Speeders don’t care about anyone but themselves, the rules don’t apply to them, and you’re right.. no law can prevent “all speeders” unless that law takes away the _capacity_ to speed, which we consider an infringement on our “rights” (the law could mandate limiters that respond to emitters on roads that tell the car what the maximum speed is, and that’s it.. your car won’t go any faster.. still wrought with problems like hackers cracking their car’s computer, but).

Generally speaking we have two kinds of people in this country (or world, if you want to go that far). Those that care about others, who have compassion and empathy and wish no ill on others, and another type of person that only cares about themselves, laughs at other people’s suffering, are content to hurt others for little or no gain. I’m guessing 90% or more of the right-wingers out there, those that seem to be “bad people”, are really just confused and abused by the “real” bad people out there.. if we got rid of the noise, got rid of the lies and twisted logic, most right-wingers, being generally good people and just confused, would fit well into a “resource based economy”.

As it is, we’re not going to be able to free the resources because only a few bad people own all the resources currently.. and they aren’t about to give up that power and ability to abuse for their own enjoyment. There are too many confused and disoriented people out there supporting them, through ignorance. Education is the key, and that’s why it was destroyed over the decades by those in power. Education that leads to enlightenment is near non-existent in this country.

http://www.thevenusproject.com would be a good supporting link if you’re going to toss around concepts like “resource based economy”, that and http://www.thevenusproject.com :)

But even that won’t “fix” things like speeding or abuse. The core tenant of a “better world” is to better educate people, instill the one rule that matters, and have people actually value it.. the golden rule.. “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”. Speeders don’t care about anyone but themselves, the rules don’t apply to them, and you’re right.. no law can prevent “all speeders” unless that law takes away the _capacity_ to speed, which we consider an infringement on our “rights” (the law could mandate limiters that respond to emitters on roads that tell the car what the maximum speed is, and that’s it.. your car won’t go any faster.. still wrought with problems like hackers cracking their car’s computer, but).

Generally speaking we have two kinds of people in this country (or world, if you want to go that far). Those that care about others, who have compassion and empathy and wish no ill on others, and another type of person that only cares about themselves, laughs at other people’s suffering, are content to hurt others for little or no gain. I’m guessing 90% or more of the right-wingers out there, those that seem to be “bad people”, are really just confused and abused by the “real” bad people out there.. if we got rid of the noise, got rid of the lies and twisted logic, most right-wingers, being generally good people and just confused, would fit well into a “resource based economy”.

As it is, we’re not going to be able to free the resources because only a few bad people own all the resources currently.. and they aren’t about to give up that power and ability to abuse for their own enjoyment. There are too many confused and disoriented people out there supporting them, through ignorance. Education is the key, and that’s why it was destroyed over the decades by those in power. Education that leads to enlightenment is near non-existent in this country.

http://www.thevenusproject.com would be a good supporting link if you’re going to toss around concepts like “resource based economy”, that and http://www.thevenusproject.com :)

But even that won’t “fix” things like speeding or abuse. The core tenant of a “better world” is to better educate people, instill the one rule that matters, and have people actually value it.. the golden rule.. “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”. Speeders don’t care about anyone but themselves, the rules don’t apply to them, and you’re right.. no law can prevent “all speeders” unless that law takes away the _capacity_ to speed, which we consider an infringement on our “rights” (the law could mandate limiters that respond to emitters on roads that tell the car what the maximum speed is, and that’s it.. your car won’t go any faster.. still wrought with problems like hackers cracking their car’s computer, but).

Generally speaking we have two kinds of people in this country (or world, if you want to go that far). Those that care about others, who have compassion and empathy and wish no ill on others, and another type of person that only cares about themselves, laughs at other people’s suffering, are content to hurt others for little or no gain. I’m guessing 90% or more of the right-wingers out there, those that seem to be “bad people”, are really just confused and abused by the “real” bad people out there.. if we got rid of the noise, got rid of the lies and twisted logic, most right-wingers, being generally good people and just confused, would fit well into a “resource based economy”.

As it is, we’re not going to be able to free the resources because only a few bad people own all the resources currently.. and they aren’t about to give up that power and ability to abuse for their own enjoyment. There are too many confused and disoriented people out there supporting them, through ignorance. Education is the key, and that’s why it was destroyed over the decades by those in power. Education that leads to enlightenment is near non-existent in this country.

http://www.thevenusproject.com would be a good supporting link if you’re going to toss around concepts like “resource based economy”, that and http://www.thevenusproject.com :)

But even that won’t “fix” things like speeding or abuse. The core tenant of a “better world” is to better educate people, instill the one rule that matters, and have people actually value it.. the golden rule.. “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”. Speeders don’t care about anyone but themselves, the rules don’t apply to them, and you’re right.. no law can prevent “all speeders” unless that law takes away the _capacity_ to speed, which we consider an infringement on our “rights” (the law could mandate limiters that respond to emitters on roads that tell the car what the maximum speed is, and that’s it.. your car won’t go any faster.. still wrought with problems like hackers cracking their car’s computer, but).

Generally speaking we have two kinds of people in this country (or world, if you want to go that far). Those that care about others, who have compassion and empathy and wish no ill on others, and another type of person that only cares about themselves, laughs at other people’s suffering, are content to hurt others for little or no gain. I’m guessing 90% or more of the right-wingers out there, those that seem to be “bad people”, are really just confused and abused by the “real” bad people out there.. if we got rid of the noise, got rid of the lies and twisted logic, most right-wingers, being generally good people and just confused, would fit well into a “resource based economy”.

As it is, we’re not going to be able to free the resources because only a few bad people own all the resources currently.. and they aren’t about to give up that power and ability to abuse for their own enjoyment. There are too many confused and disoriented people out there supporting them, through ignorance. Education is the key, and that’s why it was destroyed over the decades by those in power. Education that leads to enlightenment is near non-existent in this country.

Right on, Michael. You could do a documentary about the Assange affair, but because sex is involved I suspect Hollywood will beat you to it.

Well…at least Moore is willing to put money where his mouth his. When most people with some loot jabber about patriotism and morals and etc etc etc…they may donate to a charity but they back away from any real work/risk/personal costs. I can’t be displeased by Moore’s choices here…which is refreshing…because he annoys me regularly.

I’m just hoping this doesn’t drop off the radar like so many OTHER stories over the past decade. One I’m thinking about in particular is the “second of two reports” about the Iraq invasion. The first, before an election, stated “the intelligence has not been manipulated”.. the second, that asks the question “did the Bush admin accurately reflect the intel we had” was delayed for something like 2 years, and its release was not covered by anyone, not even Raw. I want to know the content of THAT report, since it may well be the “proof” required to hang Bush and Cheney for treason (no exaggeration).

It’s easy to “do something” when you have resources.. which is why most of us don’t.

Who’s Julian Mike? *snicker*

We are not a democracy, Mr. Moore, and the longer you insist on calling our government that the longer our problems will continue. So-called “democracy” is what brought us the situation we have today: the rule of law is reserved for those who can sway public opinion to believe whatever tripe the Powers That Be desire. That is democracy.

Mike’s got a good heart but he still hasn’t figured out that he’s limiting himself by only aligning with “liberal” or “progressive” causes.

Bravo for Michael Moore! I can almost forgive him for allowing himself to be punked by Castro and the resulting impasse he did with Sicko.

And there is a story developing on the home page of Raw Story, it appears that Assange has been released. Woo hoo…can’t wait for that? But does that mean that there won’t be a “poison pill” now?

Oh, shut up.

There is something going on now with his web site. It has become hard to get on it at least that has been my experience. I have tried a second time now and a blank white page comes up. His web site is down.

A tory is what brian described. A very simple name to frame these bastards. A sound bite.

It is unbelievable that WIKILEAKS has been uncovering all sorts of secrets about the war and he was never jailed…however, last week he promised to release millions of pages of documents to uncover the Wall Street Banksters secrets on stealing American Homes and they cut him off and jailed his ass??

I laughed until I cried to see how these greedy bastards on Wall Street have ALL the POWER to do whatever they want…

FREE SPEECH is what America was built on and now that freedom is gone….all for the sake of making money!
If you want the truth on the foreclosure crimes, visit http://www.4closurefraud.org
Open your eyes America…we are under attack and it’s not from any bombs or guns….it’s being done by the banks and the Courts and the Notaries lying!!

Scary Times but rooting for Michael Moore to get the truth out…unless Bank Of America shuts him down and throws his ass in jail for spitting on the sidewalk!!
LOL

What a joke we American’s have become…and the world is watching us fall…and laughing at our stupidity!
Re elected Republicans are the final nail in our coffin!!

elyse@gte.net

Did you read anything implying I was blaming “you the people”?.

I was referring to the limousine & Caviar Democrats…..Who are as soiled and morally bankrupted as the Republicans

The best resource is people you meet every day. As Thom Hartmann says, “tag, your it.”

That is working real well with obama isn’t it? Enough with those silly camp fire songs. It’s time to pick up the torches and head to the streets.

That is working real well with obama isn’t it? Enough with those silly camp fire songs. It’s time to pick up the torches and head to the streets.

That is working real well with obama isn’t it? Enough with those silly camp fire songs. It’s time to pick up the torches and head to the streets.

[...] Read the story:  Michael Moore offers his servers to host Wikileaks docs, posts $20,000 bail | Raw Story. [...]

I don’t remember him being punked by Fidel. I remember the lady stocking up on her meds for pennies on the dollar………..

I don’t remember him being punked by Fidel. I remember the lady stocking up on her meds for pennies on the dollar………..

I don’t remember him being punked by Fidel. I remember the lady stocking up on her meds for pennies on the dollar………..

[...] Michael Moore offers his servers to host Wikileaks docs, posts $20,000 bail [...]

[...] Michael Moore offers his servers to host Wikileaks docs, posts $20,000 bail | Raw Story __________________ Ich ziele nicht mit der Hand, wer mit der Hand zielt, hat das Angesicht seines [...]

Some of the last statements made by Ambassador Holbrooke concerning the Afgan war should have been made public years ago,,,if not him then someone in authority or a journalist with credibility..This is one of the reasons that Wiki-Leaks should exist ,,,there are many more….Michael Moore is to be commended for his brave stand in this matter and his positions on many more matters that are very substantial….(too many guns,,,The excesses of Wall St.,,The health care—BARONS,,,these Wars that have no end and no one can describe what a (Victory ?) looks like,,,When history is written of this (Goofy) period in our nations attempt to muddle through and go Orwellian while drinking ,,,however outrageous,,,No lie is too big to tell ,,it seems…We have no choice but to support Mr. Assage in his attempt to get back to reality…Mr. Moore spoke out in a big way to expose the crimes of the BUSH years with REAL risk to his” security” and his “career”…We as citizens should ,,at the very least speak out in support of what these Gentlemen are trying to achieve…………………Charles Belenchia

Some of the last statements made by Ambassador Holbrooke concerning the Afgan war should have been made public years ago,,,if not him then someone in authority or a journalist with credibility..This is one of the reasons that Wiki-Leaks should exist ,,,there are many more….Michael Moore is to be commended for his brave stand in this matter and his positions on many more matters that are very substantial….(too many guns,,,The excesses of Wall St.,,The health care—BARONS,,,these Wars that have no end and no one can describe what a (Victory ?) looks like,,,When history is written of this (Goofy) period in our nations attempt to muddle through and go Orwellian while drinking ,,,however outrageous,,,No lie is too big to tell ,,it seems…We have no choice but to support Mr. Assage in his attempt to get back to reality…Mr. Moore spoke out in a big way to expose the crimes of the BUSH years with REAL risk to his” security” and his “career”…We as citizens should ,,at the very least speak out in support of what these Gentlemen are trying to achieve…………………Charles Belenchia

i am sure there will be cause for it in the future but it is good for bargaining and as protection. plus, there are still the slow leaks of good material.

i am sure there will be cause for it in the future but it is good for bargaining and as protection. plus, there are still the slow leaks of good material.

i am sure there will be cause for it in the future but it is good for bargaining and as protection. plus, there are still the slow leaks of good material.

So nicely written!

I, too, wonder why our country tends to self-destruct.

Although American thought in the early days (at least with our peerless leaders) was liberal for the times, it became conservative AND STILL IS because of Christian ways that are now almost 400 years old.

We’re as religious as the Muslim world, although it’s a bit more disguised here. Most state penal codes smack of moral context taken from our religious foundation.

Yesterday I read in Harper’s that 40% of Americans expect Christ to descend to earth in 2020!! One of three adults can’t read the label on the back of a bottle of Motrin. Do they vote?

Media controllers have succeeded. So it’s up to the Assanges and Moores of the world to try to inform by shocking the planet. Perhaps the power elites will think someone’s watching and alter their raw, sociopathic agendas. That’s the hope.

But if there’s no strong reaction to the truths exposed by the Assanges and Moores of the world, then IMO the only option is to hit the streets, which is simply another way to impact the visual media.

Short of success with protest over many months, I’d love someone to explain how we can leaven outcomes in America as the rich grind peoples’ faces into the ground.

So nicely written!

I, too, wonder why our country tends to self-destruct.

Although American thought in the early days (at least with our peerless leaders) was liberal for the times, it became conservative AND STILL IS because of Christian ways that are now almost 400 years old.

We’re as religious as the Muslim world, although it’s a bit more disguised here. Most state penal codes smack of moral context taken from our religious foundation.

Yesterday I read in Harper’s that 40% of Americans expect Christ to descend to earth in 2020!! One of three adults can’t read the label on the back of a bottle of Motrin. Do they vote?

Media controllers have succeeded. So it’s up to the Assanges and Moores of the world to try to inform by shocking the planet. Perhaps the power elites will think someone’s watching and alter their raw, sociopathic agendas. That’s the hope.

But if there’s no strong reaction to the truths exposed by the Assanges and Moores of the world, then IMO the only option is to hit the streets, which is simply another way to impact the visual media.

Short of success with protest over many months, I’d love someone to explain how we can leaven outcomes in America as the rich grind peoples’ faces into the ground.

So nicely written!

I, too, wonder why our country tends to self-destruct.

Although American thought in the early days (at least with our peerless leaders) was liberal for the times, it became conservative AND STILL IS because of Christian ways that are now almost 400 years old.

We’re as religious as the Muslim world, although it’s a bit more disguised here. Most state penal codes smack of moral context taken from our religious foundation.

Yesterday I read in Harper’s that 40% of Americans expect Christ to descend to earth in 2020!! One of three adults can’t read the label on the back of a bottle of Motrin. Do they vote?

Media controllers have succeeded. So it’s up to the Assanges and Moores of the world to try to inform by shocking the planet. Perhaps the power elites will think someone’s watching and alter their raw, sociopathic agendas. That’s the hope.

But if there’s no strong reaction to the truths exposed by the Assanges and Moores of the world, then IMO the only option is to hit the streets, which is simply another way to impact the visual media.

Short of success with protest over many months, I’d love someone to explain how we can leaven outcomes in America as the rich grind peoples’ faces into the ground.

It’s too early for Michael or anybody else to know the real truth about Wikileaks. Who is the sponsor, where does the money come from, is this some sort of counterintelligence fiasco? Until we find out, we are in the dark. As such, how can we make intelligent decisions if Assange is legit or not?

It’s too early for Michael or anybody else to know the real truth about Wikileaks. Who is the sponsor, where does the money come from, is this some sort of counterintelligence fiasco? Until we find out, we are in the dark. As such, how can we make intelligent decisions if Assange is legit or not?

It’s too early for Michael or anybody else to know the real truth about Wikileaks. Who is the sponsor, where does the money come from, is this some sort of counterintelligence fiasco? Until we find out, we are in the dark. As such, how can we make intelligent decisions if Assange is legit or not?

Moore should do something for freedom considering the millions of dollars he has made in films. It is the least he could do.

Moore should do something for freedom considering the millions of dollars he has made in films. It is the least he could do.

Moore should do something for freedom considering the millions of dollars he has made in films. It is the least he could do.

Bravo Mr. Moore for supporting Wikileaks. Please do a documentary on the lack of true journalism in the US.. The Wikileaks story proves that there are no Real Journalists on US news networks. Not one of the news networks is defending Wikileaks right to publish the truth and inform the public about is really going on.
1) It appears the news networks think that the public should not know the truth
2) The news networks do not want to get in trouble by reporting the truth
3) The worse case of all the journalist are truly in the dark they are just reporting what ever the government tells them. That ain’t journalism..

Every story must answer to these question Who, What, Where When Why and How
None of these question are every asked about a story. American news brings in a so called expert( Who has a hidden agenda and give him time with useless taking points). All the news networks have to do is provide all the information and we the public wil be informed . Once we are informed we can make up our own mind about what is really happening . I do not need a talking head to tell me what I should be thinking about the events that have been reported.

Bravo Mr. Moore for supporting Wikileaks. Please do a documentary on the lack of true journalism in the US.. The Wikileaks story proves that there are no Real Journalists on US news networks. Not one of the news networks is defending Wikileaks right to publish the truth and inform the public about is really going on.
1) It appears the news networks think that the public should not know the truth
2) The news networks do not want to get in trouble by reporting the truth
3) The worse case of all the journalist are truly in the dark they are just reporting what ever the government tells them. That ain’t journalism..

Every story must answer to these question Who, What, Where When Why and How
None of these question are every asked about a story. American news brings in a so called expert( Who has a hidden agenda and give him time with useless taking points). All the news networks have to do is provide all the information and we the public wil be informed . Once we are informed we can make up our own mind about what is really happening . I do not need a talking head to tell me what I should be thinking about the events that have been reported.

Bravo Mr. Moore for supporting Wikileaks. Please do a documentary on the lack of true journalism in the US.. The Wikileaks story proves that there are no Real Journalists on US news networks. Not one of the news networks is defending Wikileaks right to publish the truth and inform the public about is really going on.
1) It appears the news networks think that the public should not know the truth
2) The news networks do not want to get in trouble by reporting the truth
3) The worse case of all the journalist are truly in the dark they are just reporting what ever the government tells them. That ain’t journalism..

Every story must answer to these question Who, What, Where When Why and How
None of these question are every asked about a story. American news brings in a so called expert( Who has a hidden agenda and give him time with useless taking points). All the news networks have to do is provide all the information and we the public wil be informed . Once we are informed we can make up our own mind about what is really happening . I do not need a talking head to tell me what I should be thinking about the events that have been reported.

When this country was founded, it was meant to be -and was -the most Liberal country in existence.That’s the Big Political Secret in this country -but all it takes is thinking it through a little to realize how bamboozled we’ve all been into believing that this country has a “Conservative Tradition” -it’s a load of Bullshit.Which side people unthinkingly believe all comes down to which side is willing to lie.

When this country was founded, it was meant to be -and was -the most Liberal country in existence.That’s the Big Political Secret in this country -but all it takes is thinking it through a little to realize how bamboozled we’ve all been into believing that this country has a “Conservative Tradition” -it’s a load of Bullshit.Which side people unthinkingly believe all comes down to which side is willing to lie.

When this country was founded, it was meant to be -and was -the most Liberal country in existence.That’s the Big Political Secret in this country -but all it takes is thinking it through a little to realize how bamboozled we’ve all been into believing that this country has a “Conservative Tradition” -it’s a load of Bullshit.Which side people unthinkingly believe all comes down to which side is willing to lie.

I think he’s doing it. (what have you done in the name of freedom – post this?)

“Furthermore, I am publicly offering the assistance of my website, my servers, my domain names and anything else I can do to keep WikiLeaks alive and thriving,…”

I think he’s doing it. (what have you done in the name of freedom – post this?)

“Furthermore, I am publicly offering the assistance of my website, my servers, my domain names and anything else I can do to keep WikiLeaks alive and thriving,…”

I think he’s doing it. (what have you done in the name of freedom – post this?)

“Furthermore, I am publicly offering the assistance of my website, my servers, my domain names and anything else I can do to keep WikiLeaks alive and thriving,…”

I think he’s doing it. (what have you done in the name of freedom – post this?)

“Furthermore, I am publicly offering the assistance of my website, my servers, my domain names and anything else I can do to keep WikiLeaks alive and thriving,…”

Yeah, that torch method totally worked in America and France.

Awesome. Hopefully this move by Michael Moore will help to spread progressive support for Wikileaks and Assange.

I know “our guys” are in control of the White House right now, but that doesn’t these attacks on Wikileaks OK.

[...] also received help from US filmmaker Michael Moore, who offered $20,000 for Assange’s bail. He called the WikiLeaks founder “a pioneer of free speech” and said he’d host [...]

Did you read anything implying I was suggesting you were blaming anyone? :)

i was just expanding on your thought.. that there are a lot of us that would like to “do something”, without resources, we don’t have the capacity.. which, of course, is by design and part of the overall problem. We’re in agreement, I was just continuing to conversate with you.

Did you read anything implying I was suggesting you were blaming anyone? :)

i was just expanding on your thought.. that there are a lot of us that would like to “do something”, without resources, we don’t have the capacity.. which, of course, is by design and part of the overall problem. We’re in agreement, I was just continuing to conversate with you.

It ended the vietnam war. Maybe stop the tories from tripling the tuitions in england.

It ended the vietnam war. Maybe stop the tories from tripling the tuitions in england.

[...] also received help from US filmmaker Michael Moore, who offered $20,000 for Assange’s bail. He called the WikiLeaks founder “a pioneer of free speech” and said he’d host [...]

The Cuban healthcare system that Michale Moore toots in the movie is only accessible to those with dollars. Cubans get shit. There’s Apartheid in Cuba via a dual economy: one faction caters to foreigners with dollars – from stores to hospitals – and Cubans are not permitted to access that. Then, there are the shitholes available only to the people with Cuban Pesos including healthcare where people have to bring their own linens if/when they’re admitted to a hospital. Tourists/foreigners don’t wants to see that. It’s too painful and shatters their mental masturbation of the utopian nature of Communism.

Michael Moore was given access to the portion of the Cuban healthcare system that caters to foreigners in exchange for dollars. Cubans are not allowed anywhere near those facilities.

The Cuban healthcare system that Michale Moore toots in the movie is only accessible to those with dollars. Cubans get shit. There’s Apartheid in Cuba via a dual economy: one faction caters to foreigners with dollars – from stores to hospitals – and Cubans are not permitted to access that. Then, there are the shitholes available only to the people with Cuban Pesos including healthcare where people have to bring their own linens if/when they’re admitted to a hospital. Tourists/foreigners don’t wants to see that. It’s too painful and shatters their mental masturbation of the utopian nature of Communism.

Michael Moore was given access to the portion of the Cuban healthcare system that caters to foreigners in exchange for dollars. Cubans are not allowed anywhere near those facilities.

can’t get michael moore’s website to load… i hope that is due to genuine heavy traffic.

can’t get michael moore’s website to load… i hope that is due to genuine heavy traffic.

can’t get michael moore’s website to load… i hope that is due to genuine heavy traffic.

All due respect, but you’re effing crazy.

All due respect, but you’re effing crazy.

All due respect, but you’re effing crazy.

Though Mike’s intentions are honorable he’s being played like most do gooders. Assange made a deal with Israel long before the leaks. Nothing bad was to be reported about Israel only about the other countries. This is a propaganda campaign by Israel using Assange. This is going to rally the rightwing into censoring the internet for “our own good”

Though Mike’s intentions are honorable he’s being played like most do gooders. Assange made a deal with Israel long before the leaks. Nothing bad was to be reported about Israel only about the other countries. This is a propaganda campaign by Israel using Assange. This is going to rally the rightwing into censoring the internet for “our own good”

Though Mike’s intentions are honorable he’s being played like most do gooders. Assange made a deal with Israel long before the leaks. Nothing bad was to be reported about Israel only about the other countries. This is a propaganda campaign by Israel using Assange. This is going to rally the rightwing into censoring the internet for “our own good”

He’s really hanging his ass out on this one. He has balls (what’re those?, our politicians ask). Michael acts, he doesn’t just talk.

He’s really hanging his ass out on this one. He has balls (what’re those?, our politicians ask). Michael acts, he doesn’t just talk.

He’s really hanging his ass out on this one. He has balls (what’re those?, our politicians ask). Michael acts, he doesn’t just talk.

i think it’s good that liberals like michael moore and conservatives like ron paul both support assange. as polarized as america is, i think it really helps!

well i got it to load but it’s garbled in firefox. : (

that’s not respectful at all. try some empathy.

he has donated to helpful causes in the past. plus, he usually donates privately.

You’re right.

To the OP: I’m sorry you’re effing crazy.

Cathy O’Brien, Please go sell your bullshit somewhere else…….

It’s all in your head Darling, all you have to do, is take your meds.

Is this just your opinion?

Perhaps we need to let Foreign Magazine blogger Blake Hounshell know what a fool he is. Obviously he’s either a teabagging/gop or has the mentality of one.

Perhaps we need to let Foreign Magazine blogger Blake Hounshell know what a fool he is. Obviously he’s either a teabagging/gop or has the mentality of one.

Bravo Michael Moore!

Bravo Michael Moore!

I’d like to see your source. Please name it.

You post like a Jew hating righty to me.

I’d like to see your source. Please name it.

You post like a Jew hating righty to me.

I don’t want to be rude, but we need more proof.

I don’t want to be rude, but we need more proof.

Yes indeed. I am not a fan but he deserves respect for being one of the few who always speaks his mind, and act upon his words

Yes indeed. I am not a fan but he deserves respect for being one of the few who always speaks his mind, and act upon his words

I agree that trevor is rude, but anyone can post anything on this forum, and apparently the people in charge don’t care what is posted.

I agree that trevor is rude, but anyone can post anything on this forum, and apparently the people in charge don’t care what is posted.

I was with you until your last few words. Did you forget stop? I know many of us are so anxious to have our say for others to see, that we make type o’s or leave out a word or two.

If I’m correct, I agree with you JonnyForever.

I was with you until your last few words. Did you forget stop? I know many of us are so anxious to have our say for others to see, that we make type o’s or leave out a word or two.

If I’m correct, I agree with you JonnyForever.

Ok, my apologies :)

Ok, my apologies :)

In my comments ,,1 hour ago I failed to mention that as a country we are subjected to a bitter cup of “TEA”,,,people such as Sarah Palin,,,Christine O’Donnell,,,Sharon Angle will fight all the way to discourage truth (such as Wiki-Leaks) so they can continue to comment without any real knowledge of the subject at hand,,,,Do they remind you of beauty pageant contestants attempting to answer questions ? Gotcha…………………………….Charles Belenchia

In my comments ,,1 hour ago I failed to mention that as a country we are subjected to a bitter cup of “TEA”,,,people such as Sarah Palin,,,Christine O’Donnell,,,Sharon Angle will fight all the way to discourage truth (such as Wiki-Leaks) so they can continue to comment without any real knowledge of the subject at hand,,,,Do they remind you of beauty pageant contestants attempting to answer questions ? Gotcha…………………………….Charles Belenchia

I have a feeling he will. And I’m sure ignorant people will accuse Michael of grandstanding, trying to make money.

To those people, mostly teabagging/gop, look at the corporations you worship as Gods.

I have a feeling he will. And I’m sure ignorant people will accuse Michael of grandstanding, trying to make money.

To those people, mostly teabagging/gop, look at the corporations you worship as Gods.

He has. He contributes lots of money to causes that are for freedom.

He has. He contributes lots of money to causes that are for freedom.

Are you being serious?

Are you being serious?

Bravo Jimbeaux. What is the name of your website?

Bravo Jimbeaux. What is the name of your website?

Yes indeed, especially since you do everything you possibly can, to have some posters prevented from posting.

Yes indeed, especially since you do everything you possibly can, to have some posters prevented from posting.

Yes, meanwhile Obama keeps on torturing people and acting like George Bush……

Yes, meanwhile Obama keeps on torturing people and acting like George Bush……

All well and good, but we have a problem with governments from various countries who want to put a stop to us finding out what these governments have been doing that haven’t been (excuse the pun) kosher for far too long.

All well and good, but we have a problem with governments from various countries who want to put a stop to us finding out what these governments have been doing that haven’t been (excuse the pun) kosher for far too long.

Ya gotta pull the needle out or stick it in deeper.

You are the latter type.

Good for you!

Ya gotta pull the needle out or stick it in deeper.

You are the latter type.

Good for you!

Totally effing crazy nuts coo-coo- loco whackjob, but it’s not your fault you have brain damage.

Empathetic enough for you?

Totally effing crazy nuts coo-coo- loco whackjob, but it’s not your fault you have brain damage.

Empathetic enough for you?

I believe most of us know that the corporations own our government, and have for a very long time.

Our forefathers tried to control corporations in this country but greedy men including branches of our government made the changes that has gotten us into the mess we are facing.

http://www.reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate_accountability/history_corporations_us.html

What a shame those greedy people didn’t think ahead to the consequences they created.

I believe most of us know that the corporations own our government, and have for a very long time.

Our forefathers tried to control corporations in this country but greedy men including branches of our government made the changes that has gotten us into the mess we are facing.

http://www.reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate_accountability/history_corporations_us.html

What a shame those greedy people didn’t think ahead to the consequences they created.

Try greed, it’s a mental disease.

Try greed, it’s a mental disease.

Tinfoil hat much?

Tinfoil hat much?

Thank you Michael Moore.

Thank you Michael Moore.

Thank you Michael Moore.

Actually Cuba does have a good health care system. They have been doing serious experiments for cures for Cancer. Can big pharma claim the same and not be lying?

Actually Cuba does have a good health care system. They have been doing serious experiments for cures for Cancer. Can big pharma claim the same and not be lying?

Actually Cuba does have a good health care system. They have been doing serious experiments for cures for Cancer. Can big pharma claim the same and not be lying?

maybe try some sympathy too.

maybe try some sympathy too.

maybe try some sympathy too.

True. I don’t call it being punked either. Michael Moore is pretty a smart guy.

True. I don’t call it being punked either. Michael Moore is pretty a smart guy.

True. I don’t call it being punked either. Michael Moore is pretty a smart guy.

Can you name your sources of your claim? I’m sure many of us would like to investigate it.

Can you name your sources of your claim? I’m sure many of us would like to investigate it.

Can you name your sources of your claim? I’m sure many of us would like to investigate it.

I agree with most of what you posted, but he doesn’t annoy me regularly, only occasionally.

I agree with most of what you posted, but he doesn’t annoy me regularly, only occasionally.

I agree with most of what you posted, but he doesn’t annoy me regularly, only occasionally.

You are describing our VA hospitals and ER rooms. I’ll believe Gore Vidal, anyday.

You are describing our VA hospitals and ER rooms. I’ll believe Gore Vidal, anyday.

Except Micheal’s would be accurate.

Except Micheal’s would be accurate.

Didn’t see the comma? You may need (new) glasses.

Didn’t see the comma? You may need (new) glasses.

I think Mrs. Moore would have something to say about that.

I think Mrs. Moore would have something to say about that.

Since corporations own the MSM it’s hard for journalists to be journalists.

Since corporations own the MSM it’s hard for journalists to be journalists.

Posting your thoughts on forums like this is doing something, calling, writing letters or email to your elected officials is doing something, and if more people would do this we would accomplish a great deal more.

Posting your thoughts on forums like this is doing something, calling, writing letters or email to your elected officials is doing something, and if more people would do this we would accomplish a great deal more.

Many of us refer to them as corporatist democrats. While there are some who care for the beaten up Middle class Americans, ones like Ben Nelson and Mary Landrieu need to be thrown out of office, as well as the so called independent lieberman.

Many of us refer to them as corporatist democrats. While there are some who care for the beaten up Middle class Americans, ones like Ben Nelson and Mary Landrieu need to be thrown out of office, as well as the so called independent lieberman.

Most of us have telephones, paper and evelopes and postage stamps and computers which can be very effective if we used them when letting our elected officials know where we stand on important issues.

Most of us have telephones, paper and evelopes and postage stamps and computers which can be very effective if we used them when letting our elected officials know where we stand on important issues.

I suggest everyone start opening accounts in Credit Unions or local banks.

I suggest everyone start opening accounts in Credit Unions or local banks.

If only corporations were forbidden to own any msm by law. That’s what our forefathers would have wanted:

http://www.reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate_accountability/history_corporations_us.html

Take a look it’s an eye opener.

If only corporations were forbidden to own any msm by law. That’s what our forefathers would have wanted:

http://www.reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate_accountability/history_corporations_us.html

Take a look it’s an eye opener.

Michael Moore has put some of his money where his mouth it. Bravo! Actually the only time I was less than 100% a Michael Moore partisan is when he was filmed harassing Charleton Heston who was old, infirm, suffering from dementia but amazingly gracious to Mr. Moore notwithstanding.

Michael Moore has put some of his money where his mouth it. Bravo! Actually the only time I was less than 100% a Michael Moore partisan is when he was filmed harassing Charleton Heston who was old, infirm, suffering from dementia but amazingly gracious to Mr. Moore notwithstanding.

[...] Michael Moore offers his servers to host Wikileaks docs, posts $20,000 bail [...]

Liberal and Liberty are the same. It’s the corporations and their poster boy reagan who tried to turn liberal into a dirty word, and many people became afraid of such a beautiful word

Liberal and Liberty are the same. It’s the corporations and their poster boy reagan who tried to turn liberal into a dirty word, and many people became afraid of such a beautiful word

Imagine if people like Patrick Henry were alive today.

Imagine if people like Patrick Henry were alive today.

Imagine if people like Patrick Henry were alive today.

Imagine if people like Patrick Henry were alive today.

Bravo Mr. DennyCrane, I’m going to post this in a forum I know that is made up mostly of the teabagging/gop.

It should really irritate them. Thank you.

Bravo Mr. DennyCrane, I’m going to post this in a forum I know that is made up mostly of the teabagging/gop.

It should really irritate them. Thank you.

Bravo Mr. DennyCrane, I’m going to post this in a forum I know that is made up mostly of the teabagging/gop.

It should really irritate them. Thank you.

Bravo Mr. DennyCrane, I’m going to post this in a forum I know that is made up mostly of the teabagging/gop.

It should really irritate them. Thank you.

One person’s democracy is another person’s banana republic.

One person’s democracy is another person’s banana republic.

One person’s democracy is another person’s banana republic.

I’m fortunate (or smart) not to have experienced the VA hospitals personally but have read enough and heard the stories. And that’s a great analogy, btw. Keep one thing in mind, if nothing else, all governments lie and governments are guilty of deceit, some more than others, of course. Cuba is right up there.

My source is my family and my own personal experiences growing up in the regime. Feel free to visit them in Cuba any time you like.

no they won’t go that far, but did you notice in the article how they quote the neo-cons neo-liberals at Foreign Policy mag mocking him. to them it’s just a public relations stunt, these kind of guys have no principles nor do they understand democracy – and that’s part of the reason they even get quoted by the mainstream media, they support the message of the Ruling Elites, they are part of the great wurlitzer

……”Oh, goody,” wrote the magazine’s blogger Blake Hounshell. “Perhaps upset that his last film, Capitalism, was a dud and he hasn’t been in the news for a while, filmmaker Michael Moore is now offering to post bail for WikiLeaks frontman Julian Assange…..”

what a jerk. why does the media, when it quotes what liberals/lefties are doing, always have to ‘balance’ that out with some right wing meme; but when the right wingers get quoted, it’s always extensive coverage (bill o’reilly burped today and called so and so such and such etc etc, and the same for palin being constantly quoted) and hardly is there ever any pushback or quotes from liberal/left/radical critics? now, why is that?

Yes, of course. You know best. Go tell it to the Cubans. I’m sure they would love to hear from a gringo how good they really have it.

good for him. go for it, michael moore.
a great nd true working class hero

Indubitably. And if I need a second opinion, I’ll ask you and you’ll tell me again.

BTW, if I need your opinion in the future, I’ll ask you. Don’t tell me. Just wait for me to ask.

He and the rest of the Wiki guys are pretty smart. They know what they’re doing. They’re probably saving it as insurance. But they continue to release more documents on a daily basis. They haven’t stopped at all.

Yes joe… that’s where I got it from….I posted that link many times. Maybe you and some others need to sit down and listen to what they have to say. I read most of your posts and llike what you have to say. You are right “twisted logic” needs to be eliminated. I am a member of Zeitgeist and on Jan 20th we will be showing “Zeitgeist 3 Moving Forward”. I hope you will be viewing that where ever you live. But sometimes we just have to have some fun….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nlNXQrHn8Q

namaste

Love it.

Anything to poke their “tea-bags.”

I have an issue working with “elected officials” when they are (no exaggeration) all war criminals. By voting and “letting them know where you stand” you validate a criminal government. Now if any one of them said “okay enough, we are not going to commit war crimes any longer” and then stuck to that, you might have a starting place. As it is “nobody” is accepting responsibility for the war crimes that have been committed, the war crimes that are being committed today and the war crimes that are going to be committed tomorrow.

I have an issue working with “elected officials” when they are (no exaggeration) all war criminals. By voting and “letting them know where you stand” you validate a criminal government. Now if any one of them said “okay enough, we are not going to commit war crimes any longer” and then stuck to that, you might have a starting place. As it is “nobody” is accepting responsibility for the war crimes that have been committed, the war crimes that are being committed today and the war crimes that are going to be committed tomorrow.

Trying REALLY REALLY HARD to ignore the message and shoot the messenger

Tell me if the newspaper boy busted your window does that mean that his newspaper is full of lies?

Why not read the the leaked documents and decide based on facts?

He annoys you regularly?

Wow there is something wrong with your head.

I have no doubt that you are annoyed by him, but you really must learn to speak correctly.

Why write a movie about the paper boy when you haven’t even bothered to read his newspaper yet?

I am very sympathetic to those with brain damage. That doesn’t mean I have to agree with their brain damaged-pap.

What about Rockefeller and the Trilateral Commission.

Then there’s the Elders of Zion. Don’t get me started on that!

And Soros! And ACORN!

Just because you are anti-Semitic doesn’t mean that you hate jews.

I thought CH was an asshole in that video. He wasn’t that addled at the time.

Calling an old man out for being an asshole is not harassment.

CH was then and always was a total jerk, and virtually everyone who ever met the guy hated him.

I thought CH was an asshole in that video. He wasn’t that addled at the time.

Calling an old man out for being an asshole is not harassment.

CH was then and always was a total jerk, and virtually everyone who ever met the guy hated him.

I thought CH was an asshole in that video. He wasn’t that addled at the time.

Calling an old man out for being an asshole is not harassment.

CH was then and always was a total jerk, and virtually everyone who ever met the guy hated him.

I thought CH was an asshole in that video. He wasn’t that addled at the time.

Calling an old man out for being an asshole is not harassment.

CH was then and always was a total jerk, and virtually everyone who ever met the guy hated him.

sorry the post is confusing – That’s a direct quote from Micheal Moore about making his resources available to “Wikileaks”

sorry the post is confusing – That’s a direct quote from Micheal Moore about making his resources available to “Wikileaks”

sorry the post is confusing – That’s a direct quote from Micheal Moore about making his resources available to “Wikileaks”

sorry the post is confusing – That’s a direct quote from Micheal Moore about making his resources available to “Wikileaks”

With almost 20 years inside the health insurance industry, Wendell Potter saw for-profit insurers hijack our health care system and put profits before patients. Now, he speaks with Bill Moyers about how those companies are standing in the way of health care reform.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07102009/watch2.html
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/12/health.industry.whistleblower/index.html?eref=rss_politics&iref=polticker
http://rawstory.com/2009/11/exblue-cross-spokesman-health-insurance-worst-product-american-history/

thanks Michael, for putting your money where your mouth is!

do you fly that plane up your ass frequently?

Is there money in it?

I think ur issues are in early childhood or cessna flew his plane up ur ass, too. lol

I was just in Cuba and you are completely, categorically, and totally full of shit, Johnny ignorant fuck Warbucks. In fact I have been there many times and your comments, according to my Cuban friends who live there, are really stupid. Cubans are the healthiest folks I’ve seen– especially their teeth and I’ve lived in/ traveled in 25 countries–mostly 3rd world, but also one trip from Europe to Nepal…Stop repeating South Florida talking points!!!

I was just in Cuba and you are completely, categorically, and totally full of shit, Johnny ignorant fuck Warbucks. In fact, I have been there many times and your comments, according to my Cuban friends who live there, my numerous experiences there, getting sick there, with my Cuban friends who got sick, are really incredibly stupid. Cubans are the healthiest folks I’ve seen– especially their teeth –and I’ve lived in/ traveled in 25 countries–mostly 3rd world, but also one trip from Europe to Nepal…Stop repeating South Florida talking points!!!

you mean Greece? lol

maybe, but not about the quality of healthcare…or education…

Michael Moore… oh god. Why?

If anything could lower the credibility of Julian Assange it’s this man. Michael Moore is a naive idealist on steroids. He makes good documentaries but his political views are just unrealistic, optimistic, and naive, typical of the bleeding heart left.

Michael Moore… oh god. Why?

If anything could lower the credibility of Julian Assange it’s this man. Michael Moore is a naive idealist on steroids. He makes good documentaries but his political views are just unrealistic, optimistic, and naive, typical of the bleeding heart left.

Michael Moore… oh god. Why?

If anything could lower the credibility of Julian Assange it’s this man. Michael Moore is a naive idealist on steroids. He makes good documentaries but his political views are just unrealistic, optimistic, and naive, typical of the bleeding heart left.

Action, not words.

Action, not words.

Action, not words.

Ah man you have no subtlety gene? He’s paving stones man. Things aren’t what they look like at first glance.

Ah man you have no subtlety gene? He’s paving stones man. Things aren’t what they look like at first glance.

Ah man you have no subtlety gene? He’s paving stones man. Things aren’t what they look like at first glance.

hehehehe

hehehehe

hehehehe

Michael Moore appears to have some annoying personality quirks and would probably drive me bonkers if I had to spend too much time in his company.

But he also seems like a decent human being, so that’s okay.

Michael Moore appears to have some annoying personality quirks and would probably drive me bonkers if I had to spend too much time in his company.

But he also seems like a decent human being, so that’s okay.

Michael Moore appears to have some annoying personality quirks and would probably drive me bonkers if I had to spend too much time in his company.

But he also seems like a decent human being, so that’s okay.

What my friend here meant to say was just because you are an anti-zionist, doesn’t mean you hate Jews. Right my friend?

What my friend here meant to say was just because you are an anti-zionist, doesn’t mean you hate Jews. Right my friend?

What my friend here meant to say was just because you are an anti-zionist, doesn’t mean you hate Jews. Right my friend?

And not neoliberalism, either!

I am always chilled by how similar Fresco’s ideal cities remind me of the city described in “We” by Evgeny Zamyatin.

And when people come along promising to solve all our problems – my innate intuition is to run. There’s no such thing as human life and society without upsets and strife, problems and problem solving. We are slaves to a minuscule minority of evilly motivated persons, trading that for some different kind of slavery is not freedom.

Go for it – just don’t force it on everybody! Maybe you can get Oregon to become a Zeitgeist state. I’ll stay away.

Produce the evidence. These accusations are baseless.

Lets not pretend that the Arab world hearing the Saudi Royals and the rest of the Arab leadership wants Israel and the US to attack Iran doesn’t put more pressure on Israel.

I have no great love for Zionists, but broad sweeping accusations like that with no proof. Seems motivated by a little more.

This is global motion. Singling out one person or group and calling them baddies is folly. Every nation, every major global corporation, all act in the same ways. From the UAE to Venezuela, and Peru, to the UK and the Swiss. Right down to the mass murdering Chinese.

Everyone everywhere. We need cops like them or not because monkeys are nasty thieving liars. The whole lot of them.

I have to respectfully disagree. Several people who contributed significant sums to Handgun Control and were hardly Heston supporters, agreed at the time that Moore was less than gracious. Heston opposed the Vietnam War prior to 1969, hardly the act of an asshole. His strident support of the NRA came long after he was a proponent of the 1968 Gun Control Act. Give the old man a break.

I do hope you know I was kidding.

It’s a common meme among white supremacists: We don’t hate anyone, we just love white christians!

Not even close.

Not even close.

Not even close.

Not even close.

Oh well then perhaps you should read this… Yeah I know it’s from re-writepedia

Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is prejudice against or hostility towards Jews…

I am going to assume then you were being like Sarcastic?

Ah yeah hehe I see your reply to the guy below now.

Oh well then perhaps you should read this… Yeah I know it’s from re-writepedia

Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is prejudice against or hostility towards Jews…

I am going to assume then you were being like Sarcastic?

Ah yeah hehe I see your reply to the guy below now.

Oh well then perhaps you should read this… Yeah I know it’s from re-writepedia

Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is prejudice against or hostility towards Jews…

I am going to assume then you were being like Sarcastic?

Ah yeah hehe I see your reply to the guy below now.

Oh well then perhaps you should read this… Yeah I know it’s from re-writepedia

Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is prejudice against or hostility towards Jews…

I am going to assume then you were being like Sarcastic?

Ah yeah hehe I see your reply to the guy below now.

ROFL MK ULTRA ROFL. Nice work of fucking fiction.

JWO NICE!

That’s classic shit. The the “scar” talk. Almost have a few facts right too. Great effort, supremely engaging. World class bullshit.

Adding HAARP is, priceless.

ROFL MK ULTRA ROFL. Nice work of fucking fiction.

JWO NICE!

That’s classic shit. The the “scar” talk. Almost have a few facts right too. Great effort, supremely engaging. World class bullshit.

Adding HAARP is, priceless.

ROFL MK ULTRA ROFL. Nice work of fucking fiction.

JWO NICE!

That’s classic shit. The the “scar” talk. Almost have a few facts right too. Great effort, supremely engaging. World class bullshit.

Adding HAARP is, priceless.

ROFL MK ULTRA ROFL. Nice work of fucking fiction.

JWO NICE!

That’s classic shit. The the “scar” talk. Almost have a few facts right too. Great effort, supremely engaging. World class bullshit.

Adding HAARP is, priceless.

I think the meds might be making it worse.

Lets try pot. Can’t make things worse, and it’s “natural”!

I think the meds might be making it worse.

Lets try pot. Can’t make things worse, and it’s “natural”!

Heston decided to become the head of the NSRA all by himself.

He deserves and should be give no break because he was an “old man”.

For people like you to give this jerk a pass is reprehensible.

“He’s a total asshole, but it’s disrespectful to challenge him because he’s an old man”.

Intellectual diarrhea.

Michael Moore was very respectful to Heston. Respect isn’t the same as putting up with an asshole’s bullshit.

I think the meds might be making it worse.

Lets try pot. Can’t make things worse, and it’s “natural”!

Heston decided to become the head of the NSRA all by himself.

He deserves and should be give no break because he was an “old man”.

For people like you to give this jerk a pass is reprehensible.

“He’s a total asshole, but it’s disrespectful to challenge him because he’s an old man”.

Intellectual diarrhea.

Michael Moore was very respectful to Heston. Respect isn’t the same as putting up with an asshole’s bullshit.

Heston decided to become the head of the NSRA all by himself.

He deserves and should be give no break because he was an “old man”.

For people like you to give this jerk a pass is reprehensible.

“He’s a total asshole, but it’s disrespectful to challenge him because he’s an old man”.

Intellectual diarrhea.

Michael Moore was very respectful to Heston. Respect isn’t the same as putting up with an asshole’s bullshit.

No doubt you’re an expert on the subject. And all from first-hand personal experience too.

Spoken like a gringo who visited a resort for a weekend, slept with a jinetera and paid for it all with Ameirkan dollars. How else?

Just one more moron who has traded god for Fidel and Jesus for el Che. The same ignorance. The same blindness. The same fanaticism. The same hatred towards anyone who challenges their delusion. What a shame that we can’t just send you there without with an empty pocket for the rest of your miserable life.

Spoken like a gringo who visited a resort for a weekend, slept with a jinetera and paid for it all with Ameirkan dollars. How else?

Just one more moron who has traded god for Fidel and Jesus for el Che. The same ignorance. The same blindness. The same fanaticism. The same hatred towards anyone who challenges their delusion. What a shame that we can’t just send you there without with an empty pocket for the rest of your miserable life.

Spoken like a gringo who visited a resort for a weekend, slept with a jinetera and paid for it all with Ameirkan dollars. How else?

Just one more moron who has traded god for Fidel and Jesus for el Che. The same ignorance. The same blindness. The same fanaticism. The same hatred towards anyone who challenges their delusion. What a shame that we can’t just send you there without with an empty pocket for the rest of your miserable life.

Micheal Moore thanks, $20,000 goes along way to defend Assange and his lawyer’s fees. About a day or so ago, NBC’S Saturday night live, had a spoof of Assange in prison, and it was not funny. It was clear, that NBC, A DINOSAUR OF ANOTHER ERA, has run out of ideas and integrity to do their jobs and investigate the secrets of government, because as it so happens their journalists have long since been in bed with the establishment of the elite and powerful. Hell they were cheerleaders of the Iraq War, a disgrace to the profession of Journalism. How about the health care industry lobbyist wining and dining reporters from the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal, for favorable coverage? Who knows what was passed under the table?

I’ve been following Wendell Potter for a while now. It’s interesting to see the techniques the bastards use to make people go against their own best interests. What a sick country this is!

When I hear someone like you, my ears and eyes automatically shut down and all I see/hear is:

BLAH BLAH BLAH CUBA BLAH BLAH BLAH CASTRO BLAH BLAH BLAH HEALTHCARE BLAH BLAH BLAH EDUCATION BLAH BLAH BLAH CUBA BLAH BLAH BLAH CASTRO BLAH BLAH BLAH HEALTHCARE BLAH BLAH BLAH EDUCATION BLAH BLAH BLAH CUBA BLAH BLAH BLAH CASTRO BLAH BLAH BLAH HEALTHCARE BLAH BLAH BLAH EDUCATION

Its time for more idealism!
We have a failed system.
So you continue to accept what is, when it does not work.
I will not live in a cave or work on a farm no matter what corporate america wants!
Better the bleeding heart left then the souless right!

sorry; I don’t do this stuff much.

good.. then stop talking about things of which you are ignorant; do us both a favor..

no expert but knowledgeable enough to know you are fos. A cuban woman I know sent her daughter to a great high school (Berkeley High); she arrived as a sophomore and spent the next two years basically learning English; she had already taken the substantive courses in Cuba–a poor ass third world country..so much for education..would you like more personal experiences? better yet, give me some of yours that contradict this.

I lived there for months, moron; we brought down blues, jazz and women’s music and lived with musicians; we brought back Afro -Cuban and Nueva Trova sounds and played them on the radio; your ignorance is astounding. Maybe you should go there before you open your ignorant mouth? lol .. watch out for the commie bogeymen…I’ve now been there 5 times…take ur head out or your ass and get out a little….breath a little; your hatred for what you don’t understand is suffocating.

everyone is so quick to jump on assange like they would on osama bin laden based on their inability to take a step into those peoples shoes and ask why did they do what they do? Assange attempting to increase government transparency, and Bin Laden a retaliation from attacks against Palestinians due to the funding of Israeli troops. Everyone has a reason for what they do, if you take the time to figure out why then you can make an informed decision on said person and their actions.

everyone is so quick to jump on assange like they would on osama bin laden based on their inability to take a step into those peoples shoes and ask why did they do what they do? Assange attempting to increase government transparency, and Bin Laden a retaliation from attacks against Palestinians due to the funding of Israeli troops. Everyone has a reason for what they do, if you take the time to figure out why then you can make an informed decision on said person and their actions.

everyone is so quick to jump on assange like they would on osama bin laden based on their inability to take a step into those peoples shoes and ask why did they do what they do? Assange attempting to increase government transparency, and Bin Laden a retaliation from attacks against Palestinians due to the funding of Israeli troops. Everyone has a reason for what they do, if you take the time to figure out why then you can make an informed decision on said person and their actions.

Good on Moore! That man always tells it like it is.

Good on Moore! That man always tells it like it is.

Good on Moore! That man always tells it like it is.

If many thinks this reads like some kind of mystery novel, it may be important to realize that the former Minister of Justice, Thomas Bodstrom, who is partner of the firm representing the two accusers (who seem to be nowhere to be found, so how can they face the accused??), Borgstrom and Bodstrom, happens to be a published mystery author.

(Please note: I didn’t say his books were worth buying!)

http://agency.norstedts.se/Authors/Alphabetically/B/Thomas-Bodstrom/

Sir Michael Moore = HERO !

How fortunate that I’m not speaking, but writing…and doubly fortunate that I’m not preparing a thesis for examination, but rather commenting on a Rawstory article.

Chill out english-nazi…its the internet,…if this is the worst you have found…you haven’t been looking hard enough.

Micheal Moore and John Pilgar standing up for Julian Assange and FREEDOM.

Thank you! Nothing but praises for them.

Those who think they rule the world need a MAJOR wake-up call!!!

A major story brewing is the cruel, inhumane treatment – torture – to which Bradley Manning is being subjected – Glenn Greenwald

I just wish he’d give up ambushing people for interviews. He’s been doing the same trick for almost 30 years…everyone sees it coming…it always ends the same way. If he can’t get the interview any other way…I’d rather see him just call out people by name and brand them as cowards who won’t risk speaking with him because they don’t have good answers for their crimes.

So while I agree with him on a lot of issues…every time I see him pull the ambush interview tactic…my teeth just grind.

Okay, you win. Iconoclasm prevails.

Where is Osama Bin Laden?

Where is Osama Bin Laden?

Ha ha ha! An expert because he knows a woman that has a daughter that knows a dog who bit the man who had the formula. Internet people are so very full of themselves and so ignorant.

Ha ha ha! An expert because he knows a woman that has a daughter that knows a dog who bit the man who had the formula. Internet people are so very full of themselves and so ignorant.

Michael Moore. Doing as heroes do….

http://www.RepublicansAreADisease.com

Michael Moore. Doing as heroes do….

http://www.RepublicansAreADisease.com

From where I’m looking at, you seem to be the ignorant one. I’ve seen nothing but post after post of you calling people ignorant, attacking everybody and I’m yet to see one iota of intelligence – much less truth – in any of the diatribe that you’ve posted.

From where I’m looking at, you seem to be the ignorant one. I’ve seen nothing but post after post of you calling people ignorant, attacking everybody and I’m yet to see one iota of intelligence – much less truth – in any of the diatribe that you’ve posted.

No, they don’t.

C’mon blue. Saturday Night Live was hilarious. Another cup of tea Julian?

http://www.RepublicansAreADisease.com

C’mon blue. Saturday Night Live was hilarious. Another cup of tea Julian?

http://www.RepublicansAreADisease.com

I think Michael Moore understands what is really going on better than anyone in D.C. Arianna’s Pigs at the Trough pretty much spelled it out.

http://www.RepublicansAreADisease.com

Yes dgenzle2001 our system has failed, and it is killing thousands for the benefit of the filthy rich. Michael, and I, and a few others understand. Too bad every single person that buried a loved one because of lack of affordable medical care doesn’t stand up and get in the face of the GOP that is killing them.

I think Michael Moore understands what is really going on better than anyone in D.C. Arianna’s Pigs at the Trough pretty much spelled it out.

http://www.RepublicansAreADisease.com

Yes dgenzle2001 our system has failed, and it is killing thousands for the benefit of the filthy rich. Michael, and I, and a few others understand. Too bad every single person that buried a loved one because of lack of affordable medical care doesn’t stand up and get in the face of the GOP that is killing them.

No reason to be sorry, it was my fault for not labeling my snark.

No reason to be sorry, it was my fault for not labeling my snark.

No iconoclasm, just the truth.

Putting Heston in charge of the NSRA and then whining that nobody should criticizes him because he’s just an old man is the same thing as Fred Phelps putting children between him and protesters.

Just another asshole move by Heston, the NSRA, and Phelps.

Mr. Moore, Thank you for doing what I can’t at this time. The MSM has not reduced their coverage of politics and political events, they have become part of politics. Every common journalist spins their story to fit either their own or their organizations agenda. When it comes to international news we don’t even get a portion of the news available, Especially if it involves an Allied government. So when someone comes along and actually reports the truth we want to lock them up? And regarding you republicans aren’t you the ones who are always clamoring for unbiased reporting? I submit publishing the cables are as unbiased as you can get. So where are you coming from wanting this guy prosecuted for treason? It looks more and more to me that regardless of political affiliation no one in government wants transparency.

Mr. Moore, Thank you for doing what I can’t at this time. The MSM has not reduced their coverage of politics and political events, they have become part of politics. Every common journalist spins their story to fit either their own or their organizations agenda. When it comes to international news we don’t even get a portion of the news available, Especially if it involves an Allied government. So when someone comes along and actually reports the truth we want to lock them up? And regarding you republicans aren’t you the ones who are always clamoring for unbiased reporting? I submit publishing the cables are as unbiased as you can get. So where are you coming from wanting this guy prosecuted for treason? It looks more and more to me that regardless of political affiliation no one in government wants transparency.

and what are you bringing to the table, sister? lol…keep reading–she was my wife, you ignorant little fuck! I know Cuba because I lived there–many times…her daughter went back to live there because of the craziness here…your stupidity is hilarious…you believe anything that fits your ideology–I used to be a stupid fuck like you—until I went around the world a few times…maybe you should try getting out of that intellectual cave you inhabit?

and what are you bringing to the table, sister? lol…keep reading–she was my wife, you ignorant little fuck! I know Cuba because I lived there–many times…her daughter went back to live there because of the craziness here…your stupidity is hilarious…you believe anything that fits your ideology–I used to be a stupid fuck like you—until I went around the world a few times…maybe you should try getting out of that intellectual cave you inhabit?

Apparently, Michael is also smart enough not to gamble his money in the wall street shell game. On a tv appearance earlier this year (bill maher?), he said he was smart enough not to trust in something he didn’t understand, so all his money was in a savings account.

Apparently, Michael is also smart enough not to gamble his money in the wall street shell game. On a tv appearance earlier this year (bill maher?), he said he was smart enough not to trust in something he didn’t understand, so all his money was in a savings account.

What are YOU bringing to the table, Alan Flat, lol?

Who was your wife? And calling “ignorant little fuck” is not only a valid argument but also an irrefutable way to convince someone and the perfect way win and argument. Ok. Nothing wrong with that.

Whose daughter? And she went back where? And why should I care? And what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? The craziness here, where?

Well, it’s a good thing that “my” stupidity is hilarious. Yours, on the other hand is just plain stupidity. Not even funny.

I believe anything that fits “my” ideology? What ideology would that be exactly? And ROFL! I don’t expect you to see the irony in that statement.

No, Sir, I beg to differ. You still ARE a stupid fuck. And you only wish you were one quarter like me. But better luck next time!

I can tell that you went around the world a few times. ROFL!

Hey, at least I inhabit an intellectual cave. While you inhabit just a cave. LMAO!

You, Sir, are proof positive of the whack jobs that haunt the internet in need of meds.

First off… how could I “force it on everybody”? Secondly, how do you like the current corporate christian war criminal government being forced down your throat? Perhaps you have some way of avoiding being represented by government christian corporate war criminals? IF… you do I would love to hear about it.

I’d love to hear the story of how you “were just in Cuba many times,” have had “many experiences there getting sick there, [with or without your Cuban friends who got sick and are really incredibly stupid]” – Your country makes it illegal for its citizens to go to Cuba much less any of the fantasies that you relate. Are you saying that you purposely and knowingly violated the federal laws of your country and illegally traveled to a country that is on the US’s terrorist list?

Careful how you answer now, Alan Flat, cause the internet monitors are watching…

But do go ahead and explain that one. Oh, and also how/why you think that Cubans (in particular those you call your friends are stupid. Really, with friends like you, Sir, who needs enemies?

PS: Were you in Mazorra by any chance? Is that where you got “sick” and were treated? That would explain a thing or two about you.

I love people who do the right thing no matter what the cost. Jullian and Michael are heros.

going to Cuba is legal stupid shit–if you know how…sorry to deconstruct ur idiotic, pathetic right wing nonsense mythology. The only cave ur in is up ur ass..lol lol

going to Cuba is legal stupid shit–if you know how…sorry to deconstruct ur idiotic, pathetic right wing nonsense mythology. The only cave ur in is up ur ass..lol lol

btw, if you ever get out of that cave, you might discover Cuba can be visited by many groups–like journalists, educators, humanitarian mission folks, fisherman, etc. Did you ever get out of the third grade in that trailer trash place you come from?

btw, if you ever get out of that cave, you might discover Cuba can be visited by many groups–like journalists, educators, humanitarian mission folks, fisherman, etc. Did you ever get out of the third grade in that trailer trash place you come from?

are you projecting, my little petunia? If you say stupid shit in the public domain, u should expect to be confronted by those who know better. otherwise, as they say, stfu…lmao

are you projecting, my little petunia? If you say stupid shit in the public domain, u should expect to be confronted by those who know better. otherwise, as they say, stfu…lmao

are you projecting, my little petunia? If you say stupid shit in the public domain, u should expect to be confronted by those who know better. otherwise, as they say, stfu…lmao

Not you Rush – I didn’t mean you would actively force anything on anyone – but when men come along who claim to have the answers, once enough people have signed, on forcing the rest seems to par for the course.

Under the current corrupt government, if Fresco gains any significance as a movement leader, it won’t be long before he is made an offer he can’t refuse – but for all the right reasons, no doubt.

But, like I said, believing in state’s rights, I think Zeitgeist should be able to find a fair majority in a state like Oregon and who knows, seceding from the corrupt federal state
could be an effective battle cry.

Not you Rush – I didn’t mean you would actively force anything on anyone – but when men come along who claim to have the answers, once enough people have signed, on forcing the rest seems to par for the course.

Under the current corrupt government, if Fresco gains any significance as a movement leader, it won’t be long before he is made an offer he can’t refuse – but for all the right reasons, no doubt.

But, like I said, believing in state’s rights, I think Zeitgeist should be able to find a fair majority in a state like Oregon and who knows, seceding from the corrupt federal state
could be an effective battle cry.

Not you Rush – I didn’t mean you would actively force anything on anyone – but when men come along who claim to have the answers, once enough people have signed, on forcing the rest seems to par for the course.

Under the current corrupt government, if Fresco gains any significance as a movement leader, it won’t be long before he is made an offer he can’t refuse – but for all the right reasons, no doubt.

But, like I said, believing in state’s rights, I think Zeitgeist should be able to find a fair majority in a state like Oregon and who knows, seceding from the corrupt federal state
could be an effective battle cry.

Not you Rush – I didn’t mean you would actively force anything on anyone – but when men come along who claim to have the answers, once enough people have signed, on forcing the rest seems to par for the course.

Under the current corrupt government, if Fresco gains any significance as a movement leader, it won’t be long before he is made an offer he can’t refuse – but for all the right reasons, no doubt.

But, like I said, believing in state’s rights, I think Zeitgeist should be able to find a fair majority in a state like Oregon and who knows, seceding from the corrupt federal state
could be an effective battle cry.

It seems there are a lot of intellignet people here…. representivie of the people in general. I just wish we could loose the anger and egos and move forward constructively. Fresco realizes that no state or even country is an island. For the Venus Project to work we need world buy in. Now there’s a tough row to hoe. I give him credit, (1) for recongnizing it and (2) for working towards something he will never see.

namaste

Good on you MM. Perhaps in the process, -you’ll learn some additional facts about “gubmt” that will swing you from left of center, – to libertarian.

Good on you MM. Perhaps in the process, -you’ll learn some additional facts about “gubmt” that will swing you from left of center, – to libertarian.

No, I’m not anti Semite, I’m anti Zionist.  12-15-10 article written by Gordon Duff in “Veterans Today”

No, I’m not anti Semite, I’m anti Zionist.  12-15-10 article written by Gordon Duff in “Veterans Today”

No, I’m not anti Semite, I’m anti Zionist.  12-15-10 article written by Gordon Duff in “Veterans Today”

Not at all. First I’m not an anti Semite, I’m an anti Zionist. You can find this article written by Gordon Duff 12-08-10 in Vetrans Today

Not at all. First I’m not an anti Semite, I’m an anti Zionist. You can find this article written by Gordon Duff 12-08-10 in Vetrans Today

Not at all. First I’m not an anti Semite, I’m an anti Zionist. You can find this article written by Gordon Duff 12-08-10 in Vetrans Today

My apologies the article was posted 12-08-10 Veterans Today

My apologies the article was posted 12-08-10 Veterans Today

My apologies the article was posted 12-08-10 Veterans Today

[...] Will do more than astound!. [...]

[...] also received help from US filmmaker Michael Moore, who offered $20,000 for Assange’s bail. He called the WikiLeaks founder “a pioneer of free speech” [...]

[...] also received help from US filmmaker Michael Moore, who offered $20,000 for Assange’s bail. He called the WikiLeaks founder “a pioneer of free speech” [...]