This article is misleading and disingenuous. There is no “snooping.”

“The government is using for this purpose the FBI, local police, state homeland security offices and military criminal investigators, the daily added.”

Yes becasue they are SHARING information. This is a GOOD thing. Maybe if we had this on 9/11 the local police and the FBI and the flight instructors might have identified the 9/11 terrorists and they could not have used them as stooges for 9/11.

Sharing information is not the erosion of rights, its how they got the information they share. If they got it constitutionally and on people who were real threats Im for sharingit with anyone who needs to know, but not on “grannies for peace” or through “sneak and peek”s.

Yet another move towards an Orwellian Nightmare.

Well, if you were to set the stage to attack your own country, you’d have to have all of your pieces in place, right? That’s the thing that gets me about 9-11 deniers, they always say “TOO MANY PEOPLE WOULD KNOW AND SOMEONE WOULD SPILL THE SECRET”. I always follw that statement with “who exactly are you going to tell?” The media? CONTROLLED. Law enforcement? CONTROLLED. Your phones? TAPPED AND MONITORED. It’s sickening if you really think about it.

You guys have to stop these “revelations,” seriously. One of these days you’re even gonna reveal to me that ~gasp~ the President of the United States is black and I truly don’t know how I may react to that one.

Yes becasue they are SHARING information. This is a GOOD thing. Maybe if we had this on 9/11 the local police and the FBI and the flight instructors might have identified the 9/11 terrorists and they could not have used them as stooges for 9/11.

Sounds like you should be living in China. They too, love to SHARE information and think of it as a GOOD thing. And something tells me that the they knew about 9/11 well in advance.

Sounds like you wondered in here by mistake. Your “views” belong on FAUX Nation. Many there share the same “ideas” with you.

What you call “sharing information” is known in non-FAUX circles as a “police state” but sounds like you wouldn’t be able to tell that sorta thing. As for the people who are “real threats” who exactly decide who a “real threat” is and how? Who qualifies as a “real threat” and on what grounds/basis?

This is a fantastic system to overload the government with an enormous amount of completely useless information. Not the first time the Overlords have put together spy networks against innocent Americans in the last 40 years. It is insane to treat the entire population as “suspects” for uncommitted crime. Entirely too Orwell for my taste, undoubtably illegal under what may be left of the Constitution (thank you GWB for declaring this document “nothing but a damned piece of paper”, thus revealing gov’t official disdain for operating within the confines of law ). I for one, am very tired of my government, declaring that it is “protecting” me and my loved ones by spying on the lives of innocents with neither warrant or cause. The vast accumulation of worthless information will do nothing for security of the country, will burden agencies with unusable data through which they have to sift. In order to produce any measurable amount of ” national security”, there needs to be “cause”, not draconian groping into the personal and private lives of the innocent in order to find a few criminals. Meanwhile, opinions and thoughts are not, repeat NOT criminal acts.

The parallel analogy is in the Financial Markets

When the balance of positions swings then the Markets turn against those positions

When snooped information produces a collective opinion then the Media appear with a controlled response – just another very timely operation

How confused are you anyway?

The system collects, stores and analyzes information about thousands of US citizens and residents, many of whom have not been accused of any wrongdoing, the report noted.

The FBI is building a database with the names and certain personal information, such as employment history, of thousands of U.S. citizens and residents whom a local police officer or a fellow citizen believed to be acting suspiciously

What is it about this you don’t understand?

And if you do understand, then let it be known you are the enemy of liberty, not the defender of it.

How confused are you anyway?

The system collects, stores and analyzes information about thousands of US citizens and residents, many of whom have not been accused of any wrongdoing, the report noted.

The FBI is building a database with the names and certain personal information, such as employment history, of thousands of U.S. citizens and residents whom a local police officer or a fellow citizen believed to be acting suspiciously

What is it about this you don’t understand?

And if you do understand, then let it be known you are the enemy of liberty, not the defender of it.

How confused are you anyway?

The system collects, stores and analyzes information about thousands of US citizens and residents, many of whom have not been accused of any wrongdoing, the report noted.

The FBI is building a database with the names and certain personal information, such as employment history, of thousands of U.S. citizens and residents whom a local police officer or a fellow citizen believed to be acting suspiciously

What is it about this you don’t understand?

And if you do understand, then let it be known you are the enemy of liberty, not the defender of it.

How confused are you anyway?

The system collects, stores and analyzes information about thousands of US citizens and residents, many of whom have not been accused of any wrongdoing, the report noted.

The FBI is building a database with the names and certain personal information, such as employment history, of thousands of U.S. citizens and residents whom a local police officer or a fellow citizen believed to be acting suspiciously

What is it about this you don’t understand?

And if you do understand, then let it be known you are the enemy of liberty, not the defender of it.

This is news? I’m sure I heard this before. What would make anyone believe we hadn’t been spied on long before now what with the NSA ASSHOLES, CIA, FBI, and it’s anyone’s guess who else is snooping around don’t have us all labeled something or other.

Welcome to Adolph Hitler’s Amerikkka!

This is news? I’m sure I heard this before. What would make anyone believe we hadn’t been spied on long before now what with the NSA ASSHOLES, CIA, FBI, and it’s anyone’s guess who else is snooping around don’t have us all labeled something or other.

Welcome to Adolph Hitler’s Amerikkka!

This is news? I’m sure I heard this before. What would make anyone believe we hadn’t been spied on long before now what with the NSA ASSHOLES, CIA, FBI, and it’s anyone’s guess who else is snooping around don’t have us all labeled something or other.

Welcome to Adolph Hitler’s Amerikkka!

This is news? I’m sure I heard this before. What would make anyone believe we hadn’t been spied on long before now what with the NSA ASSHOLES, CIA, FBI, and it’s anyone’s guess who else is snooping around don’t have us all labeled something or other.

Welcome to Adolph Hitler’s Amerikkka!

Rip Van Winkle would have known about all this even though he was asleep for 20 years.

Face it folks, the “government” snooping is just a cover so the corporationsscan get access to all our information. It helps with their “targeted marketing.”

Rip Van Winkle would have known about all this even though he was asleep for 20 years.

Face it folks, the “government” snooping is just a cover so the corporationsscan get access to all our information. It helps with their “targeted marketing.”

Rip Van Winkle would have known about all this even though he was asleep for 20 years.

Face it folks, the “government” snooping is just a cover so the corporationsscan get access to all our information. It helps with their “targeted marketing.”

Rip Van Winkle would have known about all this even though he was asleep for 20 years.

Face it folks, the “government” snooping is just a cover so the corporationsscan get access to all our information. It helps with their “targeted marketing.”

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Have you any idea what the words “false flag terrorism” mean? You have not got your logic straight yet.

Look up Jeremy Bentham and his Panopticon – this “information file on every single person” project has been in the works for a very long time. You just didn’t notice because the process has been slow. Now it’s time for you indi_ to step back and take a wider view.

Have you any idea what the words “false flag terrorism” mean? You have not got your logic straight yet.

Look up Jeremy Bentham and his Panopticon – this “information file on every single person” project has been in the works for a very long time. You just didn’t notice because the process has been slow. Now it’s time for you indi_ to step back and take a wider view.

Have you any idea what the words “false flag terrorism” mean? You have not got your logic straight yet.

Look up Jeremy Bentham and his Panopticon – this “information file on every single person” project has been in the works for a very long time. You just didn’t notice because the process has been slow. Now it’s time for you indi_ to step back and take a wider view.

Have you any idea what the words “false flag terrorism” mean? You have not got your logic straight yet.

Look up Jeremy Bentham and his Panopticon – this “information file on every single person” project has been in the works for a very long time. You just didn’t notice because the process has been slow. Now it’s time for you indi_ to step back and take a wider view.

Capitalism unbridled.
Now shutup and spend.

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Hey indi, not to worry. I found those responsible for 9/11.

http://culturekitchen.com/categories/despotism

And yes it is snooping and yes it is horrendously unconstitutional by the way.

and given all of this, we cannot control our borders, we cannot stay out of wars that cause people to protest and get their names into databases, we allow banks and financial institutions to rob people blind to their retirements and yet it’s the people’s names that go into databases.

My girlfriend made the unfortunate choice of having a bottle of hand cream that’s larger than allowed on an airplane, her drivers license number and her name were taken by TSA no doubt to be put in a database. The citizens of the United States must indeed be a tremendous threat to the government

I warned you about gangstalking and the cyber vigilantes and you said I was a conspiracy theorist. Read http://www.nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america and http://gangstalkingworld.com/

It’s not being “created”, they aren’t “creating” it, it’s already here and in effect. People who support Wikileaks are probably already beginning to notice the white van sitting in front of their house or the utility workers who happen to work on something in direct view of their house. Soon they’ll figure out they are being shadowed and their communications monitored, phones tapped.

Good for who?

Anyway, read this http://documents.nytimes.com/criminal-complaints-from-the-justice-department#document/p55

“The FBI is building a database with the names and certain personal information, such as employment history, of thousands of U.S. citizens and residents whom a local police officer or a fellow citizen believed to be acting suspiciously. It is accessible to an increasing number of local law enforcement and military criminal investigators, increasing concerns that it could somehow end up in the public domain.”

Thats right. All who posted about how they support Julian Assange, all who donated money, all who went to the site, are now on a list and being investigated. That is how screwed up the country is.

And it’s only a matter of time before Wikileaks or some other site leaks the names on these lists.

The system collects, stores and analyzes information about thousands of US citizens and residents, many of whom have not been accused of any wrongdoing, the report noted.

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Many? Not many. ALL.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/13/fashion/13psych.html?pagewanted=all you forgot this one

Keep in mind the high-security state was planned long before 9/11. Bush issued warrantless wiretap orders to telecommunications corps. as least as early as February, 2001, as revealed in litigation discovery concerning Qwest Communications Int’l.

Yeah, it’s called facebook.

Will we get the “spiders” from Minority Report?

Are you sure the sky is blue?

Sorry but I haven’t seen it for a while thanks to chemtrails.

Looked today – no blue sky. Maybe tomorrow.

Now I have to worry about this, on top of the chinese stealing our good water:

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/7520461-china-stealing-us-water-supply

I have to go take my soma…………

We HAD information about 9/11 before the towers fell, and it happened anyway.
Knowing what brand of coffee you drink, which TV shows you watch, and how well you brush your teeth dont help society at large, it just creates an even more paranoid, detatched, and anxious country.

We HAD information about 9/11 before the towers fell, and it happened anyway.
Knowing what brand of coffee you drink, which TV shows you watch, and how well you brush your teeth dont help society at large, it just creates an even more paranoid, detatched, and anxious country.

If the mccarthy era-tactics would not have stopped, this discussion would be fruitless because we would all be dead or in jail for thought crimes.

If the mccarthy era-tactics would not have stopped, this discussion would be fruitless because we would all be dead or in jail for thought crimes.

Your avatar says it all. The “porn” scanner the other day missed a guy carrying a gun and the Myth Buster dude carried two 14 inch razor knives thru. The asswipe that got appointed president ignored how many memos on the saudi arabians and the illegitimate children of the british and americans from earlier invasions of Afghanistan/Irag?…the “stooge” is you. Why don’t you join the 2,999,999 viewers of FAUX NEWS and do a reality show called, “The Three MIllion Stooges”?

This work is done in “Fu$ion Centers”. They have developed techniques that listen for “keywords” on/in every damn electronic communication, every damn day. Once flagged, then it gets eyeballed by a person. So it’s all sneek n peek. The idea of sharing info would be good if it was actionable stuff but it’s mostly crapola. Crapola collected without a warrant.
Now if we could get the “intelligence” organizations unified, like 1 agency for domestic and 1 agency for foreign, then we would be progressing.

This is shocking.

Just kidding.

Anyway, isn’t it funny how a government becomes so afraid of its citizens–the very people for which it exists, and by whom it operates–that it begins to mistrust them and institute amoral policies that will simply exacerbate that lack of trust? It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy of doom and stupidity.

This is why it is important to WITHDRAW YOUR CONSENT, as I’ve been telling all you numbnuts for a long time now. Your Consent is their power. It is the only thing that keeps them in the position to intimidate and haunt you with their idiocy. As soon as you decide that you want to delegitimate them, it is done. You simply refuse to recognize Them as authority–your consent is withdrawn–and they cease to have power over you. Sure, they can still try to convince you with violence, but it is the coward who remits.

People, you have the Power. You lend your Power to the government when you Consent to their authority. It is a revocable loan. As soon as you decide that you no longer Consent, that power instantly returns to you.

This government has ONLY the power than you lend it. Stop it!

WITHDRAW YOUR CONSENT

They know who you are already on Raw and Discus, and Twitter. So, if you’re scared, you better get offline now because they will be coming for you!!!!!

http://pagingdrgupta.blogs.cnn.com/2010/12/20/carcinogen-found-in-31-of-35-cities-water-supply/

And whoever controls that one domestic or foreign agency would have unlimited God like power!

Who do these people think the FEMA camps and prisons are being built for when they talk online? It’s for dissidents/terrorists/criminals/communists/witches.

Who do these people think the FEMA camps and prisons are being built for when they talk online? It’s for dissidents/terrorists/criminals/communists/witches.

HAHAHA your understanding of our constitutional rights is about as rich as that porno picture you have displayed. It does not matter wether or not you like who they are getting it from, it is HOW they are getting it… and that is unconstitutionally without warrants. First they came for that group and you said nothing, then they came for the other group and you said nothing, by the time they came for you there was no one left to speak up for you. Wake up man, we are not threatened by terrorists in this country. We have extremely porous borders that any terrorist could bypass. If they are worried about our security why don’t they protect our borders? You can’t answer this because this has nothing to do with protecting us. It has to do with protecting them and their power that is all.

HAHAHA your understanding of our constitutional rights is about as rich as that porno picture you have displayed. It does not matter wether or not you like who they are getting it from, it is HOW they are getting it… and that is unconstitutionally without warrants. First they came for that group and you said nothing, then they came for the other group and you said nothing, by the time they came for you there was no one left to speak up for you. Wake up man, we are not threatened by terrorists in this country. We have extremely porous borders that any terrorist could bypass. If they are worried about our security why don’t they protect our borders? You can’t answer this because this has nothing to do with protecting us. It has to do with protecting them and their power that is all.

Very well said.

Very well said.

So much for that pesky little US Constitution piece of cr@p, about time we did away with the civility of a law abiding society.

surprise………………..

Often when people spy on others they hear things that might offend them, but most often not anything criminal.

Kinda like Santa Claus.

paranoia much?

Osama has succeeded in turning the US into a police state.

I know times have changed so drastically since our forefathers and we have had our own citizens sell secrets to unfriendly countries and even had attacks and close calls. People are screaming that we’re not safe and as usual our government respond to our demands and fears, but sometimes they over react.

But face it guys there are people who keep screaming 9/11, (although they turned their backs to the rescuers) and while these people are small in numbers, they have big loud mouths.

Your post suggests youth and inexperience. Our government was told of the impending attack, the president ignored it. The FBI was told by its own agents that saudis were taking flight lessons under suspicious circumstances, FBI managers buried it. You honestly think these draconian measures are a good step, when there clearly was intent to ignore the threats?

Did you complain when chimpy bush started spying on us?

So many teabagging/gop kept saying, hey it’s keeping us safe. Remember it was he who started this spying.

How many times did you vote for him?

I guess they know where I stand.

People tend to forget that the wheels of our government is slow running, and changing the direction of those wheels even slower as we have obstructionists who will go against anything President Obama tries to do no matter what.

And you’re enjoying it all.

Even consider psychological help? You need it.

You wanted us?

I agree in principle, I have pretty much taken myself off the grid. I do not participate in much, except for maybe the grocery store (well and the liquor store too). But don’t expect to be ignored because you choose to be. I have a friend who did that ‘withdraw your consent’ thing (folllowed all that stuff you are supposed to do to a T as well for YEARS) and boy are they now after his ass. They just came and took like 60gr out of his bank and now he’s paying lawyers to help clean up the mess.
Aside from that though…why is this story even up here? Is this news to anyone? If the WAPO prints something is it anything other than some sort of limited hangout?

Just think if chimpy bush had taken less vacations, paid attention to the warnings even before he took the oath, and had the FBI doing what they SHOULD have been doing, all this wouldn’t have happened to the extent that it is happening.

The mysterious “Whirring Sound” reported by some residents of Boise Idaho has now been now been confirmed to be coming from the grave of former Senator Frank Church!

“The system collects, stores and analyzes information about thousands of US citizens and residents, many of whom have not been accused of any wrongdoing, the report noted.”

Doesn’t matter — we want those intricate ‘mosaics’ like we assembled from the screams of all those innocent folks we tortured at Gitmo. But don’t blame us; it was Pepsi’s idea.

Orwell won the bet. Welcome to Stasi Land USA

This is news? The NSA, CIA, FBI, and the other acronym agencies some of which are unknown have been collection data on Americans since long before the 1963 March on Washington. Remember: “See something, say something, report suspicious activity, your safety is our priority,” and while you’re at it, drool over 100,000,000 salaries given to sports figures, and go gently into a truly fascist state.

This is news? The NSA, CIA, FBI, and the other acronym agencies some of which are unknown have been collection data on Americans since long before the 1963 March on Washington. Remember: “See something, say something, report suspicious activity, your safety is our priority,” and while you’re at it, drool over 100,000,000 salaries given to sports figures, and go gently into a truly fascist state.

This is news? The NSA, CIA, FBI, and the other acronym agencies some of which are unknown have been collection data on Americans since long before the 1963 March on Washington. Remember: “See something, say something, report suspicious activity, your safety is our priority,” and while you’re at it, drool over 100,000,000 salaries given to sports figures, and go gently into a truly fascist state.

Nitrogen fertilizer can be used to grow wonderful plants to feed and nourish us. It can also be mixed with fuel oil and set off with TNT to create a horrific event. We hope the government is wise and just. Daily we receive stories of government’s duplicity, lawlessness and contempt for the citizenry. We expect government to protect our personal information it collects yet it can not even control own information as Bradley Manley can attest. Please write your congress person to ensure the Federal Bureaucracy does not enslave us all.

Nitrogen fertilizer can be used to grow wonderful plants to feed and nourish us. It can also be mixed with fuel oil and set off with TNT to create a horrific event. We hope the government is wise and just. Daily we receive stories of government’s duplicity, lawlessness and contempt for the citizenry. We expect government to protect our personal information it collects yet it can not even control own information as Bradley Manley can attest. Please write your congress person to ensure the Federal Bureaucracy does not enslave us all.

Nitrogen fertilizer can be used to grow wonderful plants to feed and nourish us. It can also be mixed with fuel oil and set off with TNT to create a horrific event. We hope the government is wise and just. Daily we receive stories of government’s duplicity, lawlessness and contempt for the citizenry. We expect government to protect our personal information it collects yet it can not even control own information as Bradley Manley can attest. Please write your congress person to ensure the Federal Bureaucracy does not enslave us all.

Now, then. That would make all the airport security look like, well, a chance to work the bugs out of the system. It would look like incompetence because securing the airplanes is just a flimsy excuse. Some of those airports really *would* make excellent processing centers if you think about it, especially those build during the Cold War, when most public and quasi-public buildings were designed to serve multiple purposes, such as makeshift radiation & riot shelters…or the machines & what not could easily be moved, too. I’m thinking they’re saving the data from the scans and in actuality they really *do* work quite good, they just appear to be a joke.

But that would appear paranoid and the far simpler explanation would be greed and collusion between Corporate Citizens and individuals in the Government with the true purpose simply being profit & or egomaniacal control….

Now, then. That would make all the airport security look like, well, a chance to work the bugs out of the system. It would look like incompetence because securing the airplanes is just a flimsy excuse. Some of those airports really *would* make excellent processing centers if you think about it, especially those build during the Cold War, when most public and quasi-public buildings were designed to serve multiple purposes, such as makeshift radiation & riot shelters…or the machines & what not could easily be moved, too. I’m thinking they’re saving the data from the scans and in actuality they really *do* work quite good, they just appear to be a joke.

But that would appear paranoid and the far simpler explanation would be greed and collusion between Corporate Citizens and individuals in the Government with the true purpose simply being profit & or egomaniacal control….

Now, then. That would make all the airport security look like, well, a chance to work the bugs out of the system. It would look like incompetence because securing the airplanes is just a flimsy excuse. Some of those airports really *would* make excellent processing centers if you think about it, especially those build during the Cold War, when most public and quasi-public buildings were designed to serve multiple purposes, such as makeshift radiation & riot shelters…or the machines & what not could easily be moved, too. I’m thinking they’re saving the data from the scans and in actuality they really *do* work quite good, they just appear to be a joke.

But that would appear paranoid and the far simpler explanation would be greed and collusion between Corporate Citizens and individuals in the Government with the true purpose simply being profit & or egomaniacal control….

What?! It doesnt matter if he worked or not! Besides, you can bet he barely worked when he was in DC. No, he had plenty of info – at least his handlers did – and some in the FBI were trying to do their jobs and now they’re called “whistleblowers”, a term that has become subtly stigmatized by the mainstream media. Creeping fascism has no tolerance for independently minded people.

What?! It doesnt matter if he worked or not! Besides, you can bet he barely worked when he was in DC. No, he had plenty of info – at least his handlers did – and some in the FBI were trying to do their jobs and now they’re called “whistleblowers”, a term that has become subtly stigmatized by the mainstream media. Creeping fascism has no tolerance for independently minded people.

What?! It doesnt matter if he worked or not! Besides, you can bet he barely worked when he was in DC. No, he had plenty of info – at least his handlers did – and some in the FBI were trying to do their jobs and now they’re called “whistleblowers”, a term that has become subtly stigmatized by the mainstream media. Creeping fascism has no tolerance for independently minded people.

That is a quaint notion, but you are forgetting one very important aspect of a government such as ours. It answers to two sets of citizens, and unfortunately those two types of citizens are in a battle for survival. Also, the Corporate Citizens have far greater power than do the human individuals. Sadly, we’ve been slowly losing our ability to regain control of the government for the last 150 years or so, & at this point it almost has to run it’s course. The Corporate Citizens will continue to subjugate the human ones (and gobble each other) until the humans are just barely able to sustain the Corporate ones. Think of the classic balance between predator and prey. We are the prey.

That is a quaint notion, but you are forgetting one very important aspect of a government such as ours. It answers to two sets of citizens, and unfortunately those two types of citizens are in a battle for survival. Also, the Corporate Citizens have far greater power than do the human individuals. Sadly, we’ve been slowly losing our ability to regain control of the government for the last 150 years or so, & at this point it almost has to run it’s course. The Corporate Citizens will continue to subjugate the human ones (and gobble each other) until the humans are just barely able to sustain the Corporate ones. Think of the classic balance between predator and prey. We are the prey.

That is a quaint notion, but you are forgetting one very important aspect of a government such as ours. It answers to two sets of citizens, and unfortunately those two types of citizens are in a battle for survival. Also, the Corporate Citizens have far greater power than do the human individuals. Sadly, we’ve been slowly losing our ability to regain control of the government for the last 150 years or so, & at this point it almost has to run it’s course. The Corporate Citizens will continue to subjugate the human ones (and gobble each other) until the humans are just barely able to sustain the Corporate ones. Think of the classic balance between predator and prey. We are the prey.

Yes but they will be airborne. More like mosquitos, really. I’d also prepare for the equivalent of the retinal scanners that track location under the guise of personalized advertising, cause it’s mostly already here via purchase tracking, cell phone tracking, GPS and auto toll tags…

I’d prepare for a return to fiefdom. It won’t look like it did 100′s of years ago, but it will return.

Yes but they will be airborne. More like mosquitos, really. I’d also prepare for the equivalent of the retinal scanners that track location under the guise of personalized advertising, cause it’s mostly already here via purchase tracking, cell phone tracking, GPS and auto toll tags…

I’d prepare for a return to fiefdom. It won’t look like it did 100′s of years ago, but it will return.

Yes but they will be airborne. More like mosquitos, really. I’d also prepare for the equivalent of the retinal scanners that track location under the guise of personalized advertising, cause it’s mostly already here via purchase tracking, cell phone tracking, GPS and auto toll tags…

I’d prepare for a return to fiefdom. It won’t look like it did 100′s of years ago, but it will return.

Not yet……..anyway

Not yet……..anyway

Not yet……..anyway

While I agree that the pieces have been put in place over more than a decade (remember Predator? Not the movie, the NSF data collection hubs at AT&T & their successor. That was quite a while ago). Think of it this way; by the time we find out about some ‘new’ super spy plane, it’s obsolete and no longer needs to be kept secret.

But here’s where I think we differ; Wikileaks may or may not be legit. I find it odd the way things have transpired & the usefulness of the leaks thus far to entities larger than just a the government of a single culture or nation. I also find it interesting that if it all ends now, without the BofA info getting released, the whole thing would serve as a warning to any who might consider following in Assange’s footsteps. Then again maybe the BofA info is just being withheld until Congress can pass a law stating that the Corporate Citizens holding nothing but a payment stream can backfill deed ownership. Wouldn’t surprise me either way events transpire at this point.

Anyway, I highly doubt your theory about the white vans, it’s kinda like the Sears vans that used to travel around with a mobile wifi base but no ID. I think it’s far more likely that yes, everyone is being tracked. And yes, they are looking for threats. But so long as you keep your head low and don’t stand out they simply see you as another harmless member of a large harmless (to them) fringe group that’s easily manipulated and there are many of those that they track. In fact I’d guess that their stats show that it’s a bell curve, with the bulk being mindless cows and one std dev either way being the fringe groups. They are after the 2nd std dev., anyone that actually presents a threat to them staying in power, not to the nation as a whole or the nation as we romantically view it.

While I agree that the pieces have been put in place over more than a decade (remember Predator? Not the movie, the NSF data collection hubs at AT&T & their successor. That was quite a while ago). Think of it this way; by the time we find out about some ‘new’ super spy plane, it’s obsolete and no longer needs to be kept secret.

But here’s where I think we differ; Wikileaks may or may not be legit. I find it odd the way things have transpired & the usefulness of the leaks thus far to entities larger than just a the government of a single culture or nation. I also find it interesting that if it all ends now, without the BofA info getting released, the whole thing would serve as a warning to any who might consider following in Assange’s footsteps. Then again maybe the BofA info is just being withheld until Congress can pass a law stating that the Corporate Citizens holding nothing but a payment stream can backfill deed ownership. Wouldn’t surprise me either way events transpire at this point.

Anyway, I highly doubt your theory about the white vans, it’s kinda like the Sears vans that used to travel around with a mobile wifi base but no ID. I think it’s far more likely that yes, everyone is being tracked. And yes, they are looking for threats. But so long as you keep your head low and don’t stand out they simply see you as another harmless member of a large harmless (to them) fringe group that’s easily manipulated and there are many of those that they track. In fact I’d guess that their stats show that it’s a bell curve, with the bulk being mindless cows and one std dev either way being the fringe groups. They are after the 2nd std dev., anyone that actually presents a threat to them staying in power, not to the nation as a whole or the nation as we romantically view it.

While I agree that the pieces have been put in place over more than a decade (remember Predator? Not the movie, the NSF data collection hubs at AT&T & their successor. That was quite a while ago). Think of it this way; by the time we find out about some ‘new’ super spy plane, it’s obsolete and no longer needs to be kept secret.

But here’s where I think we differ; Wikileaks may or may not be legit. I find it odd the way things have transpired & the usefulness of the leaks thus far to entities larger than just a the government of a single culture or nation. I also find it interesting that if it all ends now, without the BofA info getting released, the whole thing would serve as a warning to any who might consider following in Assange’s footsteps. Then again maybe the BofA info is just being withheld until Congress can pass a law stating that the Corporate Citizens holding nothing but a payment stream can backfill deed ownership. Wouldn’t surprise me either way events transpire at this point.

Anyway, I highly doubt your theory about the white vans, it’s kinda like the Sears vans that used to travel around with a mobile wifi base but no ID. I think it’s far more likely that yes, everyone is being tracked. And yes, they are looking for threats. But so long as you keep your head low and don’t stand out they simply see you as another harmless member of a large harmless (to them) fringe group that’s easily manipulated and there are many of those that they track. In fact I’d guess that their stats show that it’s a bell curve, with the bulk being mindless cows and one std dev either way being the fringe groups. They are after the 2nd std dev., anyone that actually presents a threat to them staying in power, not to the nation as a whole or the nation as we romantically view it.

While I agree that the pieces have been put in place over more than a decade (remember Predator? Not the movie, the NSF data collection hubs at AT&T & their successor. That was quite a while ago). Think of it this way; by the time we find out about some ‘new’ super spy plane, it’s obsolete and no longer needs to be kept secret.

But here’s where I think we differ; Wikileaks may or may not be legit. I find it odd the way things have transpired & the usefulness of the leaks thus far to entities larger than just a the government of a single culture or nation. I also find it interesting that if it all ends now, without the BofA info getting released, the whole thing would serve as a warning to any who might consider following in Assange’s footsteps. Then again maybe the BofA info is just being withheld until Congress can pass a law stating that the Corporate Citizens holding nothing but a payment stream can backfill deed ownership. Wouldn’t surprise me either way events transpire at this point.

Anyway, I highly doubt your theory about the white vans, it’s kinda like the Sears vans that used to travel around with a mobile wifi base but no ID. I think it’s far more likely that yes, everyone is being tracked. And yes, they are looking for threats. But so long as you keep your head low and don’t stand out they simply see you as another harmless member of a large harmless (to them) fringe group that’s easily manipulated and there are many of those that they track. In fact I’d guess that their stats show that it’s a bell curve, with the bulk being mindless cows and one std dev either way being the fringe groups. They are after the 2nd std dev., anyone that actually presents a threat to them staying in power, not to the nation as a whole or the nation as we romantically view it.

While I agree that the pieces have been put in place over more than a decade (remember Predator? Not the movie, the NSF data collection hubs at AT&T & their successor. That was quite a while ago). Think of it this way; by the time we find out about some ‘new’ super spy plane, it’s obsolete and no longer needs to be kept secret.

But here’s where I think we differ; Wikileaks may or may not be legit. I find it odd the way things have transpired & the usefulness of the leaks thus far to entities larger than just a the government of a single culture or nation. I also find it interesting that if it all ends now, without the BofA info getting released, the whole thing would serve as a warning to any who might consider following in Assange’s footsteps. Then again maybe the BofA info is just being withheld until Congress can pass a law stating that the Corporate Citizens holding nothing but a payment stream can backfill deed ownership. Wouldn’t surprise me either way events transpire at this point.

Anyway, I highly doubt your theory about the white vans, it’s kinda like the Sears vans that used to travel around with a mobile wifi base but no ID. I think it’s far more likely that yes, everyone is being tracked. And yes, they are looking for threats. But so long as you keep your head low and don’t stand out they simply see you as another harmless member of a large harmless (to them) fringe group that’s easily manipulated and there are many of those that they track. In fact I’d guess that their stats show that it’s a bell curve, with the bulk being mindless cows and one std dev either way being the fringe groups. They are after the 2nd std dev., anyone that actually presents a threat to them staying in power, not to the nation as a whole or the nation as we romantically view it.

Wow, you are all reactionary idiots!

There’s not alot of sentences there, I find it pretty amazing you were still able to miss a couple. What’s your reading comprehension levels? like 10%.

For those of you calling me a draconian unconstitutional fascist, you missed this sentence didnt you?:

“Sharing information is not the erosion of rights, its how they got the information they share. If they got it constitutionally and on people who were real threats Im for sharingit with anyone who needs to know, but not on “grannies for peace” or through “sneak and peek”s.”

For those of you who think I accept the “official version” of 9/11 I’m assuming you stopped reading before this part:

“and they could not have used them as stooges for 9/11.”

Try actually reading the post before going off on some reactionary hissy fit when it turns out I was probably agreeing with you anyway if you took the time to cognate a little.

Wow, you are all reactionary idiots!

There’s not alot of sentences there, I find it pretty amazing you were still able to miss a couple. What’s your reading comprehension levels? like 10%.

For those of you calling me a draconian unconstitutional fascist, you missed this sentence didnt you?:

“Sharing information is not the erosion of rights, its how they got the information they share. If they got it constitutionally and on people who were real threats Im for sharingit with anyone who needs to know, but not on “grannies for peace” or through “sneak and peek”s.”

For those of you who think I accept the “official version” of 9/11 I’m assuming you stopped reading before this part:

“and they could not have used them as stooges for 9/11.”

Try actually reading the post before going off on some reactionary hissy fit when it turns out I was probably agreeing with you anyway if you took the time to cognate a little.

Wow, you are all reactionary idiots!

There’s not alot of sentences there, I find it pretty amazing you were still able to miss a couple. What’s your reading comprehension levels? like 10%.

For those of you calling me a draconian unconstitutional fascist, you missed this sentence didnt you?:

“Sharing information is not the erosion of rights, its how they got the information they share. If they got it constitutionally and on people who were real threats Im for sharingit with anyone who needs to know, but not on “grannies for peace” or through “sneak and peek”s.”

For those of you who think I accept the “official version” of 9/11 I’m assuming you stopped reading before this part:

“and they could not have used them as stooges for 9/11.”

Try actually reading the post before going off on some reactionary hissy fit when it turns out I was probably agreeing with you anyway if you took the time to cognate a little.

Wow, you are all reactionary idiots!

There’s not alot of sentences there, I find it pretty amazing you were still able to miss a couple. What’s your reading comprehension levels? like 10%.

For those of you calling me a draconian unconstitutional fascist, you missed this sentence didnt you?:

“Sharing information is not the erosion of rights, its how they got the information they share. If they got it constitutionally and on people who were real threats Im for sharingit with anyone who needs to know, but not on “grannies for peace” or through “sneak and peek”s.”

For those of you who think I accept the “official version” of 9/11 I’m assuming you stopped reading before this part:

“and they could not have used them as stooges for 9/11.”

Try actually reading the post before going off on some reactionary hissy fit when it turns out I was probably agreeing with you anyway if you took the time to cognate a little.

Yes, because anyone who doubts that the government is acting in the best interest of it’s Human Citizens must be crazy. I’d be amazed if they didnt’ actually start pushing that meme in a viral fashion. That said, yes, the comment was a bit, “out there”. So, evaluate it and either refute or support it, but I think that dissent against timid, conforming group think is about as American as it once was. B’sides, the theories that are truly nuts make for good noise to hide things in.

Yes, because anyone who doubts that the government is acting in the best interest of it’s Human Citizens must be crazy. I’d be amazed if they didnt’ actually start pushing that meme in a viral fashion. That said, yes, the comment was a bit, “out there”. So, evaluate it and either refute or support it, but I think that dissent against timid, conforming group think is about as American as it once was. B’sides, the theories that are truly nuts make for good noise to hide things in.

Yes, because anyone who doubts that the government is acting in the best interest of it’s Human Citizens must be crazy. I’d be amazed if they didnt’ actually start pushing that meme in a viral fashion. That said, yes, the comment was a bit, “out there”. So, evaluate it and either refute or support it, but I think that dissent against timid, conforming group think is about as American as it once was. B’sides, the theories that are truly nuts make for good noise to hide things in.

Yes, because anyone who doubts that the government is acting in the best interest of it’s Human Citizens must be crazy. I’d be amazed if they didnt’ actually start pushing that meme in a viral fashion. That said, yes, the comment was a bit, “out there”. So, evaluate it and either refute or support it, but I think that dissent against timid, conforming group think is about as American as it once was. B’sides, the theories that are truly nuts make for good noise to hide things in.

Yes, because anyone who doubts that the government is acting in the best interest of it’s Human Citizens must be crazy. I’d be amazed if they didnt’ actually start pushing that meme in a viral fashion. That said, yes, the comment was a bit, “out there”. So, evaluate it and either refute or support it, but I think that dissent against timid, conforming group think is about as American as it once was. B’sides, the theories that are truly nuts make for good noise to hide things in.

Authority seeks to protect the public from perpetrators. It does this through surveillance to find enough information to allow the removal of the perpetrator.

Inversely, when perpetrators exist within the authority itself, the authority structure is well integrated in protecting itself from whistle-blowers using the same tactics of surveillance to find enough information to use against the whistle-blower to deactivate the threat of exposure about corruption within the authority. Eliminating whistle-blowers ranges from psychological intimidation to unethical tactics or illegal tactics to destroy the credibility, financial resources, relationships, health, etc of the targeted whistle-blower. Surveillance is the an essential tool used by corrupt authority to accomplish this.

Authority seeks to protect the public from perpetrators. It does this through surveillance to find enough information to allow the removal of the perpetrator.

Inversely, when perpetrators exist within the authority itself, the authority structure is well integrated in protecting itself from whistle-blowers using the same tactics of surveillance to find enough information to use against the whistle-blower to deactivate the threat of exposure about corruption within the authority. Eliminating whistle-blowers ranges from psychological intimidation to unethical tactics or illegal tactics to destroy the credibility, financial resources, relationships, health, etc of the targeted whistle-blower. Surveillance is the an essential tool used by corrupt authority to accomplish this.

Authority seeks to protect the public from perpetrators. It does this through surveillance to find enough information to allow the removal of the perpetrator.

Inversely, when perpetrators exist within the authority itself, the authority structure is well integrated in protecting itself from whistle-blowers using the same tactics of surveillance to find enough information to use against the whistle-blower to deactivate the threat of exposure about corruption within the authority. Eliminating whistle-blowers ranges from psychological intimidation to unethical tactics or illegal tactics to destroy the credibility, financial resources, relationships, health, etc of the targeted whistle-blower. Surveillance is the an essential tool used by corrupt authority to accomplish this.

Authority seeks to protect the public from perpetrators. It does this through surveillance to find enough information to allow the removal of the perpetrator.

Inversely, when perpetrators exist within the authority itself, the authority structure is well integrated in protecting itself from whistle-blowers using the same tactics of surveillance to find enough information to use against the whistle-blower to deactivate the threat of exposure about corruption within the authority. Eliminating whistle-blowers ranges from psychological intimidation to unethical tactics or illegal tactics to destroy the credibility, financial resources, relationships, health, etc of the targeted whistle-blower. Surveillance is the an essential tool used by corrupt authority to accomplish this.

Consider reading up on the differences between Corporate Citizens and Human Citizens, I think it would clarify what you are seeing quite a bit. This is nothing new, think Railroad Barons…it’s just reached a threshold where some people are beginning to notice it again. Much was hidden for five or six decades behind the binary Cold War. Once that tool fell apart, they found they could fall back on a small component of it, Religion, as a way to control and divide. Like the Cold War, Dem vs Repub has run it’s course, however. I believe the old saying was, “Follow the money”, and it still holds true, more than ever. Expect more religious extremism both within and outside our government and borders, it’s a great tool for manipulation of the masses. Just don’t forget that it’s the Corporations that are running the show, and their prey is us.

Consider reading up on the differences between Corporate Citizens and Human Citizens, I think it would clarify what you are seeing quite a bit. This is nothing new, think Railroad Barons…it’s just reached a threshold where some people are beginning to notice it again. Much was hidden for five or six decades behind the binary Cold War. Once that tool fell apart, they found they could fall back on a small component of it, Religion, as a way to control and divide. Like the Cold War, Dem vs Repub has run it’s course, however. I believe the old saying was, “Follow the money”, and it still holds true, more than ever. Expect more religious extremism both within and outside our government and borders, it’s a great tool for manipulation of the masses. Just don’t forget that it’s the Corporations that are running the show, and their prey is us.

Oh, I thought it was Larry Craig, humming in the men’s rest room…waiting for his next hook up.

The “white vans” are called ZBV’s. The mainstream media has deliberately blacked out over it because it’s not obsolete and is still “secret” technology. The van’s have X-Ray and Infrared capabilities. They can see through houses, and listen to conversations. These are high tech surveillance vans.

To back up what I say I present sources:

http://www.tgdaily.com/opinion-features/51938-why-so-much-surveillance
http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/node/228

Primary sources:
http://www.as-e.com/
http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2010/12/ase_gets_us_gov.html

The “white vans” are called ZBV’s. The mainstream media has deliberately blacked out over it because it’s not obsolete and is still “secret” technology. The van’s have X-Ray and Infrared capabilities. They can see through houses, and listen to conversations. These are high tech surveillance vans.

To back up what I say I present sources:

http://www.tgdaily.com/opinion-features/51938-why-so-much-surveillance
http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/node/228

Primary sources:
http://www.as-e.com/
http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2010/12/ase_gets_us_gov.html

Research everything I say to find even one factual error with regard to technological surveillance and respond. The “you’re crazy” or “you need help” is the typical response of the trained operative who wants to shut an individual up or keep people from taking him or her seriously, very similar to the rape charge tactic because a rapist is dishonorable so anything else he says has to be just as dishonorable and must be disregarded.

Prove that I’m crazy.

Research everything I say to find even one factual error with regard to technological surveillance and respond. The “you’re crazy” or “you need help” is the typical response of the trained operative who wants to shut an individual up or keep people from taking him or her seriously, very similar to the rape charge tactic because a rapist is dishonorable so anything else he says has to be just as dishonorable and must be disregarded.

Prove that I’m crazy.

Who do you think are in those secret prisons? Why don’t you find out and tell me?

And when you find out whether or not any American citizens ended up in them then finally you’ll say to yourself that you are crazy and refuse to believe your own eyes. I guess you won’t believe it until you are cuffed and being dragged kicking and screaming to those camps they built for you.

Who do you think are in those secret prisons? Why don’t you find out and tell me?

And when you find out whether or not any American citizens ended up in them then finally you’ll say to yourself that you are crazy and refuse to believe your own eyes. I guess you won’t believe it until you are cuffed and being dragged kicking and screaming to those camps they built for you.

Two observations:

First, you are underestimating the power of database theory and automation. It’s no more work to filter out ‘suspicious’ data trends associated with individual human citizens in a massive population than it is to pull those with the first name of, say, ‘Osama’, ‘Adolfus’ or ‘George Herbert’. Even if that last one was entered wrong, it’s easy to compensate and still catch it. The trick is in fine tuning the algorithms, but that can be incremental and they’ve had decades. Doncha wonder what all those supercomputers are used for 90% of the time, with so little funding actually going to scientific exploration?

Second, your definition of “National Security” is exactly what they’ve taught you to think it should be. But not what it actually is anymore. We are mere second class Citizens; America is a Nation, but one of Corporate interests now. We human citizens are both a food source and an impedence to those in power. Historically we’ve held the upper hand but just barely. That time has come to an end and we have still not reached the new balance. They won’t stop until their existence is threatened. Just like a population of predators. Of course, sometimes the balance swings too far and both populations crash…and sometimes they don’t recover.

Fortunately for them, Corporations are International.

Two observations:

First, you are underestimating the power of database theory and automation. It’s no more work to filter out ‘suspicious’ data trends associated with individual human citizens in a massive population than it is to pull those with the first name of, say, ‘Osama’, ‘Adolfus’ or ‘George Herbert’. Even if that last one was entered wrong, it’s easy to compensate and still catch it. The trick is in fine tuning the algorithms, but that can be incremental and they’ve had decades. Doncha wonder what all those supercomputers are used for 90% of the time, with so little funding actually going to scientific exploration?

Second, your definition of “National Security” is exactly what they’ve taught you to think it should be. But not what it actually is anymore. We are mere second class Citizens; America is a Nation, but one of Corporate interests now. We human citizens are both a food source and an impedence to those in power. Historically we’ve held the upper hand but just barely. That time has come to an end and we have still not reached the new balance. They won’t stop until their existence is threatened. Just like a population of predators. Of course, sometimes the balance swings too far and both populations crash…and sometimes they don’t recover.

Fortunately for them, Corporations are International.

Or maybe the private prison corporations just want to reinstitutionize slavery.

Who is going to stop them? It’s profitable to put the unemployed in prison camps no matter what the effect on society. It’s a way to get people to work for free. And since anybody can be made into a criminal all they have to do is make everything poor people tend to do illegal and fill up the FEMA camps or FEMA trailers, whatever they called them during hurricane Katrina…

Why would they do it? To make shareholders of the private prison and military rich. Think Wackenhut, Think Blackwater. Don’t know who they are? Look it up and fact check my post.

Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wackenhut
http://en.wikipedia.orghttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/01/AR2005110101644.html/wiki/Blackwater_Worldwide
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison%E2%80%93industrial_complex
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLjtr-7gF5g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LVYRd1Ei2s&feature=related

Or maybe the private prison corporations just want to reinstitutionize slavery.

Who is going to stop them? It’s profitable to put the unemployed in prison camps no matter what the effect on society. It’s a way to get people to work for free. And since anybody can be made into a criminal all they have to do is make everything poor people tend to do illegal and fill up the FEMA camps or FEMA trailers, whatever they called them during hurricane Katrina…

Why would they do it? To make shareholders of the private prison and military rich. Think Wackenhut, Think Blackwater. Don’t know who they are? Look it up and fact check my post.

Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wackenhut
http://en.wikipedia.orghttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/01/AR2005110101644.html/wiki/Blackwater_Worldwide
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison%E2%80%93industrial_complex
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLjtr-7gF5g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LVYRd1Ei2s&feature=related

More like Krampus

More like Krampus

More like Krampus

More like Krampus

The most important thing to remember RIGHT NOW is….Who continues the spying! How many times will you vote for him?

The most important thing to remember RIGHT NOW is….Who continues the spying! How many times will you vote for him?

The most important thing to remember RIGHT NOW is….Who continues the spying! How many times will you vote for him?

What are you talking about?! The 911 truth movement was one of the first to bring to light the fact that these people were getting sick and had no form of help at all. You need to turn off the CNN and go meet some new friends.

What are you talking about?! The 911 truth movement was one of the first to bring to light the fact that these people were getting sick and had no form of help at all. You need to turn off the CNN and go meet some new friends.

What are you talking about?! The 911 truth movement was one of the first to bring to light the fact that these people were getting sick and had no form of help at all. You need to turn off the CNN and go meet some new friends.

What are you talking about?! The 911 truth movement was one of the first to bring to light the fact that these people were getting sick and had no form of help at all. You need to turn off the CNN and go meet some new friends.

Thats because 90% of what Obama is trying to do should be obstructed. He is the one carrying on the legacy of Bush, he is the one who DESERVES criticism for his actions. Stop being a partisan apologist, think for yourself, this kind of obedience to a party is bad for humanity and liberty.

Thats because 90% of what Obama is trying to do should be obstructed. He is the one carrying on the legacy of Bush, he is the one who DESERVES criticism for his actions. Stop being a partisan apologist, think for yourself, this kind of obedience to a party is bad for humanity and liberty.

Thats because 90% of what Obama is trying to do should be obstructed. He is the one carrying on the legacy of Bush, he is the one who DESERVES criticism for his actions. Stop being a partisan apologist, think for yourself, this kind of obedience to a party is bad for humanity and liberty.

Thats because 90% of what Obama is trying to do should be obstructed. He is the one carrying on the legacy of Bush, he is the one who DESERVES criticism for his actions. Stop being a partisan apologist, think for yourself, this kind of obedience to a party is bad for humanity and liberty.

Sounds more like concern to me. You might want to adopt a similar outlook as it easily could be YOU on that list after this next election.

Sounds more like concern to me. You might want to adopt a similar outlook as it easily could be YOU on that list after this next election.

I think YOU are the one in fantasy land. Please wake up.

I think YOU are the one in fantasy land. Please wake up.

9/11 would not have worked on the entire country had the politicians protected and adhered by the constitution. All osama bin laden did was start the first domino. The elected politicos took it from there. We will continue to deteriorate as a country as long as the people refuse to accept personal risk and responsibility. The government is only doing what the people want. The majority don’t care who is in charge or if anyone besides themselves have a job. As long as that is the case things will only get worse.

9/11 would not have worked on the entire country had the politicians protected and adhered by the constitution. All osama bin laden did was start the first domino. The elected politicos took it from there. We will continue to deteriorate as a country as long as the people refuse to accept personal risk and responsibility. The government is only doing what the people want. The majority don’t care who is in charge or if anyone besides themselves have a job. As long as that is the case things will only get worse.

Oh your still here; You may go now.

Oh your still here; You may go now.

Nice story. ’bout 9 YEARS too late, though. What, you’re JUST NOW waking up to this fact? Can you say PATRIOT ACT? Can you say WARRANTLESS WIRETAPS? Can you say ENTIRE W PRESIDENCY?????

Good morning. Jeesh.

Nice story. ’bout 9 YEARS too late, though. What, you’re JUST NOW waking up to this fact? Can you say PATRIOT ACT? Can you say WARRANTLESS WIRETAPS? Can you say ENTIRE W PRESIDENCY?????

Good morning. Jeesh.

You know what? Not one person here is defending Bush, we all know how shitty he was and still is. The fact of the matter is that Bush has not been POTUS for YEARS!!! When do we (YOU) start examining the actions of the current president?!? He is in power now and he continues along the neocon path; which in my mind deserves much criticism and maybe even a kick in the pants!!!

You know what? Not one person here is defending Bush, we all know how shitty he was and still is. The fact of the matter is that Bush has not been POTUS for YEARS!!! When do we (YOU) start examining the actions of the current president?!? He is in power now and he continues along the neocon path; which in my mind deserves much criticism and maybe even a kick in the pants!!!

It’s okay, only HALF of him is black. That, of course, is the part that everyone obsesses about. I guess it’s the old Southern racist thing that one drop of black blood makes you one of THEM.

It’s okay, only HALF of him is black. That, of course, is the part that everyone obsesses about. I guess it’s the old Southern racist thing that one drop of black blood makes you one of THEM.

Naive much?

Naive much?

Connect the dots. Private prisons. Private banks. Private military. It’s all in place.

Wackenhut. Bank of America. Blackwater. Profit from slavery. Profit from debt which produces slavery. Profit from protecting the banks that profit from the debt that produces the slavery.

The goal is the total and complete enslavement of the US population and with it the world population. The US is the last population on earth which is semi free. If they enslave the US population they enslave the world using the US military.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLjtr-7gF5g

Connect the dots. Private prisons. Private banks. Private military. It’s all in place.

Wackenhut. Bank of America. Blackwater. Profit from slavery. Profit from debt which produces slavery. Profit from protecting the banks that profit from the debt that produces the slavery.

The goal is the total and complete enslavement of the US population and with it the world population. The US is the last population on earth which is semi free. If they enslave the US population they enslave the world using the US military.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLjtr-7gF5g

I’m not sure you can reason with a person like that. Might just want to let them sleep.

I’m not sure you can reason with a person like that. Might just want to let them sleep.

Damn! Did you really have to ruin that one for me? I was waiting for the front-page announcement on the NYT.

Damn! Did you really have to ruin that one for me? I was waiting for the front-page announcement on the NYT.

C’mon, this has NOTHING to do with terrorism; it has EVERYTHING to do with tightening the noose of authoritarian control over Americans. Obama vowed to reverse this crap but instead has strengthened spying on Americans.

IMHO we’re spending Trillions and putting 1,000′s of lives at risk on spying and so-called “defense” with nothing to show for it. Why the hell are we even in Afghanistan?

C’mon, this has NOTHING to do with terrorism; it has EVERYTHING to do with tightening the noose of authoritarian control over Americans. Obama vowed to reverse this crap but instead has strengthened spying on Americans.

IMHO we’re spending Trillions and putting 1,000′s of lives at risk on spying and so-called “defense” with nothing to show for it. Why the hell are we even in Afghanistan?

Yeah, and on top of that, them on the other side of the border have drones too now. TSA doesn’t seem to be minding those too much.

Yeah, and on top of that, them on the other side of the border have drones too now. TSA doesn’t seem to be minding those too much.

Well I agree with you somewhat, if the terror threat were serious they would try to close the borders but there is one thing you are missing. The fact that it is easier to protect select individuals than it is to protect the citizens of this country. In the belief that we are expendable and the politicians are not the security money is being spent protecting them.

Well I agree with you somewhat, if the terror threat were serious they would try to close the borders but there is one thing you are missing. The fact that it is easier to protect select individuals than it is to protect the citizens of this country. In the belief that we are expendable and the politicians are not the security money is being spent protecting them.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/12/your-local-cops-now-use-iraqs-iris-scanners/

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/12/your-local-cops-now-use-iraqs-iris-scanners/

NICE CHEAP SHOT, ASS.

You know, you can disagree, you can have an opinion on this data collection issue, but referring to the President of the United States as “Osama” is childish, ridiculous, ignorant, and traitorous.

NICE CHEAP SHOT, ASS.

You know, you can disagree, you can have an opinion on this data collection issue, but referring to the President of the United States as “Osama” is childish, ridiculous, ignorant, and traitorous.

NICE CHEAP SHOT, ASS.

You know, you can disagree, you can have an opinion on this data collection issue, but referring to the President of the United States as “Osama” is childish, ridiculous, ignorant, and traitorous.

The simple fact is that if you have a Social Security # and they want you, they will get you.

The simple fact is that if you have a Social Security # and they want you, they will get you.

The simple fact is that if you have a Social Security # and they want you, they will get you.

I think you’re overstating it a bit, but I agree with you that prison privatization is a serious problem.

I think you’re overstating it a bit, but I agree with you that prison privatization is a serious problem.

I think you’re overstating it a bit, but I agree with you that prison privatization is a serious problem.

Well, look at it this way, I saved you the price of the paper. Or at least having to go out in the cold to read it on the rack… You could have caught pneumonia and died. I SAVED YOUR LIFE, MAN! You should be THANKING me!

Well, look at it this way, I saved you the price of the paper. Or at least having to go out in the cold to read it on the rack… You could have caught pneumonia and died. I SAVED YOUR LIFE, MAN! You should be THANKING me!

Well, look at it this way, I saved you the price of the paper. Or at least having to go out in the cold to read it on the rack… You could have caught pneumonia and died. I SAVED YOUR LIFE, MAN! You should be THANKING me!

Traitorous!?

1st amendment you nazi shitbag.

Should we bring back the alien and sedition act?!

Traitorous!?

1st amendment you nazi shitbag.

Should we bring back the alien and sedition act?!

Traitorous!?

1st amendment you nazi shitbag.

Should we bring back the alien and sedition act?!

Really? Judicial appointments should be obstructed? Infrastructure projects? Every little thing that comes up? You think that’s how it should work when Bush got everything he wanted even though it was Republican economic idealism that created this financial mess?

Your criticism is blind.

Really? Judicial appointments should be obstructed? Infrastructure projects? Every little thing that comes up? You think that’s how it should work when Bush got everything he wanted even though it was Republican economic idealism that created this financial mess?

Your criticism is blind.

Really? Judicial appointments should be obstructed? Infrastructure projects? Every little thing that comes up? You think that’s how it should work when Bush got everything he wanted even though it was Republican economic idealism that created this financial mess?

Your criticism is blind.

So you support the Patriot act, the fisa act, Gitmo, secret courts, CIA black sites, missiles fired from CIA drones, 800 billion in bailouts, the war in Afghanistan, Iraq and god knows where else? Because all these things and more are part of your pal Obama’s big plan, doesn’t matter who started it, he marches on, carrying the fascist flag of the neocons.

My eyes are, like my mind: Open

So you support the Patriot act, the fisa act, Gitmo, secret courts, CIA black sites, missiles fired from CIA drones, 800 billion in bailouts, the war in Afghanistan, Iraq and god knows where else? Because all these things and more are part of your pal Obama’s big plan, doesn’t matter who started it, he marches on, carrying the fascist flag of the neocons.

My eyes are, like my mind: Open

So you support the Patriot act, the fisa act, Gitmo, secret courts, CIA black sites, missiles fired from CIA drones, 800 billion in bailouts, the war in Afghanistan, Iraq and god knows where else? Because all these things and more are part of your pal Obama’s big plan, doesn’t matter who started it, he marches on, carrying the fascist flag of the neocons.

My eyes are, like my mind: Open

I’m spanking myself for my thoughtlessness.

And I hope you don’t think that I now owe you something in return…

I’m spanking myself for my thoughtlessness.

And I hope you don’t think that I now owe you something in return…

I’m spanking myself for my thoughtlessness.

And I hope you don’t think that I now owe you something in return…

We are one election away from Homeland Security becoming America’s SS.

We are one election away from Homeland Security becoming America’s SS.

We are one election away from Homeland Security becoming America’s SS.

I just want a “Sick Stick”

I just want a “Sick Stick”

I just want a “Sick Stick”

Yeah, you’re right, it’d have been easy to just pull the plug on everything that it took at least eight years to set up.

And let me not leave this as a simple brush-off statement–one CANNOT discuss the failures of this administration without addressing the obstructionist minority.

Bush never had that problem because he had the fires of 9/11 at his back.

‘Why the hell are we even in Afghanistan? ‘

For Financial Gain & World Domination on behalf of the Elitists and the Zionists..
But, Heh, it’s changing.

Adjust your calendars. It’s really 1984. Welcome to Orwellian Amerika.

What do you think I am, a republican? I think I’ve been insulted… No charge.

No, Travis, yelling “FIRE” in a crowded movie house is not protected, and what you do there is disgusting. I’m not trying to silence you, I’m trying to make you aware that sort of slander is infantile and deflates your point in the eyes of any other than those who would agree with you, and they’re all hunkered down in a bunker cleaning their guns waiting for the race war to kick off. And yes, by the way, comparing the POTUS to a murderous Saudi is truly egregious conflation, and I’d say bordering on traitorous.

You see, what you do there is not to criticize the office, but to criticize the man. You’re saying that Barack Obama is the same as Osama bin Laden.

That is a false analogy.

That is slander.

That is fear mongering, you ignorant, frightened shitbag.

And yeah, maybe for you, we should have a look at the Sedition Act since you hate this country and the freedom that you so recklessly abuse.

Liberty is a responsibility, not an indulgence.

I pay my taxes, so fuck your aggressive tone.

Some of those things I do support, yes, others I do not, but neither do I see the logic or the capacity to just pull out of these situations, and if we’d let the banks and the auto industry (both loans which have now been paid pack, by the way) collapse, then that would have destroyed the world economy for years. You think it’s bad now, Travis, I’d love to see the look on your face if all of that stuff had been allowed to happen.

Your mind, like your water glass, is cloudy.

What else can be the reason, except that they intend to roundup the 911 official story deniers?

Please, watch Governor Ventura.

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=576926692520
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=576925135640
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=576923648620

What else can be the reason, except that they intend to roundup the 911 official story deniers?

Please, watch Governor Ventura.

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=576926692520
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=576925135640
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=576923648620

Any citizen that is willing to hire a private investigator can harvest every scrap of info on anyone. Bank book and sexual preference information is easy to get. Well paid Investigators will even go through your neighbors trash can if necessary. So keep clean because your dirt is never private.

Any citizen that is willing to hire a private investigator can harvest every scrap of info on anyone. Bank book and sexual preference information is easy to get. Well paid Investigators will even go through your neighbors trash can if necessary. So keep clean because your dirt is never private.

Sorry, you’re an idiot. I see no evidence that you comprehended my screed, let alone even read it in its brief entirety.

Start over and try again.

Sorry, you’re an idiot. I see no evidence that you comprehended my screed, let alone even read it in its brief entirety.

Start over and try again.

Why the fuck did your friend have $60K in the bank? Why was that not in gold and silver? If he knew what he was doing it would have been. Anyway, this shouldn’t discourage anyone. Your friend made mistakes. We should learn from him how NOT to go about doing things. However, we should honor his courage. How many others had the balls to do what he did and face the consequences?

Why the fuck did your friend have $60K in the bank? Why was that not in gold and silver? If he knew what he was doing it would have been. Anyway, this shouldn’t discourage anyone. Your friend made mistakes. We should learn from him how NOT to go about doing things. However, we should honor his courage. How many others had the balls to do what he did and face the consequences?

I understand all of that and have for many,many years. Used to work for gov’t, quit because i simply couldn’t stand it anymore. and yes, your last two sentences were very correct.

If you believe that, then research Barry Jennings information and publish it for all the rest of us to see. Although I believe you in general, Barry’s case is still a mystery after hiring private investigators. How did he die? Where was his funeral? Where is he buried? What hospital was he in? What was his illness? Was he murdered?

Barry Jennings was an inconvenient witness to the attacks on 9/11/01. He witnessed explosions in building 7 coming from below the 8th floor.

Lol, ok first of all I think you are talking about Libel. Slander is when you SPEAK in a false and defamatory way about a person. Secondly fuck you, I pay my taxes toooo. And finally, fuck you for thinking that YOU would know who best to silence.

P.S. I wasn’t the one comparing Obama to Osama so please, in the future get ALL of your facts straight before you go off on an oppressive tirade.

Vast is a really big word. The reason I have a hard time taking people who talk about big government seriously is that a lot of them (no not all) also helped build Homeland Security.

You can talk me into the idea things needed to be revamped but I don’t know a lot of people who think this has worked very well and some of them know a fair bit about the subject of snoop on people then shooting them before they can do bad things.

Specially not on facebook. Yes we do look you up on facebook when your resume arrives.

Or when the FEMA camps open or whatever the days flavor is. I prefer the corporate myth myself…

Specially not on facebook. Yes we do look you up on facebook when your resume arrives.

Or when the FEMA camps open or whatever the days flavor is. I prefer the corporate myth myself…

Gays, Jews, subversives, pick a group, slap the label enemy on it and party on Wayne.

Gays, Jews, subversives, pick a group, slap the label enemy on it and party on Wayne.

So, since we already have the patriot act, you don’t deem it logical to “just pull out of these situations”? If a program, war, or a law is bad then it should not be continued or condoned, only changed.

P.S. I dont have a glass or water, could you spare one?

So, since we already have the patriot act, you don’t deem it logical to “just pull out of these situations”? If a program, war, or a law is bad then it should not be continued or condoned, only changed.

P.S. I dont have a glass or water, could you spare one?

OK, what about Beck saying Obama’s racist? He didn’t say something about the office, he said something about the man.

Sorry, but “comparing President ASSHOLE to a murderous Saudi is truly egregious conflation, and I’d say bordering on traitorous,” is none -f the above.

It’s the man’s opinion and you can’t stop someone from expression their opinion no matter how much you disagree with him or her. So I have to ask, when did you become George W. Bush and start making your own laws?

OK, what about Beck saying Obama’s racist? He didn’t say something about the office, he said something about the man.

Sorry, but “comparing President ASSHOLE to a murderous Saudi is truly egregious conflation, and I’d say bordering on traitorous,” is none -f the above.

It’s the man’s opinion and you can’t stop someone from expression their opinion no matter how much you disagree with him or her. So I have to ask, when did you become George W. Bush and start making your own laws?

All of the best shit all of our greatest authors coming true right next to all the horrid scary stuff.

It’s like 1984 meets Road to Glory. Or was it Glory Road ;)

I believe I have also located the smallest bongo’s ever created by man. Teams have been dispatched. We should know with in DAYS!

All of the best shit all of our greatest authors coming true right next to all the horrid scary stuff.

It’s like 1984 meets Road to Glory. Or was it Glory Road ;)

I believe I have also located the smallest bongo’s ever created by man. Teams have been dispatched. We should know with in DAYS!

BTW, thanks for giving Chip the right to disagree, that’s mighty white of you.

BTW, thanks for giving Chip the right to disagree, that’s mighty white of you.

It seems like when we need a large, efficient government organization to step in and do something (i.e. FEMA), it fails miserably. But they’re good at snooping. Annnnd, they start right here on the web, identfying all those “rabblerousers!” No rabblerousing!

What are you 3? 4? you’re so pessimistic I get heartburn. Not acid fucking re-brand, heartburn. So I use a base. In water. Like whatever baking soda. Or chew a cardamon seed. ‘Cause it’s acid. In my gut. ‘Cause babies are supposed to be happy!

What are you 3? 4? you’re so pessimistic I get heartburn. Not acid fucking re-brand, heartburn. So I use a base. In water. Like whatever baking soda. Or chew a cardamon seed. ‘Cause it’s acid. In my gut. ‘Cause babies are supposed to be happy!

I need to change my login name.

I need to change my login name.

I need to change my login name.

I need to change my login name.

Hey, Obama tried but his Christmas bombers pants just went up in flames! No kaboom, awwwww, there goes the second term!

Hey, Obama tried but his Christmas bombers pants just went up in flames! No kaboom, awwwww, there goes the second term!

Hey, Obama tried but his Christmas bombers pants just went up in flames! No kaboom, awwwww, there goes the second term!

Hey, Obama tried but his Christmas bombers pants just went up in flames! No kaboom, awwwww, there goes the second term!

For 31 Billion dollars you’d think they would have figured out by now who at the Pentagon organized the 9/11 false flag operation.

For 31 Billion dollars you’d think they would have figured out by now who at the Pentagon organized the 9/11 false flag operation.

For 31 Billion dollars you’d think they would have figured out by now who at the Pentagon organized the 9/11 false flag operation.

Plus, as Webster Tarpley pointed out, there were a dozen or more “exercises” going on that day that would have been more than enough to cover for any such operations.

Plus, as Webster Tarpley pointed out, there were a dozen or more “exercises” going on that day that would have been more than enough to cover for any such operations.

Plus, as Webster Tarpley pointed out, there were a dozen or more “exercises” going on that day that would have been more than enough to cover for any such operations.

Plus, as Webster Tarpley pointed out, there were a dozen or more “exercises” going on that day that would have been more than enough to cover for any such operations.

Ha! That’s the type of thing I think every-time I hear about some new draconian measure “in response to 9/11″ or have to wait in a long security line at an airport. Many government whistleblowers have tried to get out there what they know, as you probably know. Unfortunately not the media, the 9/11 Commission nor Wikileaks is interested.

Ha! That’s the type of thing I think every-time I hear about some new draconian measure “in response to 9/11″ or have to wait in a long security line at an airport. Many government whistleblowers have tried to get out there what they know, as you probably know. Unfortunately not the media, the 9/11 Commission nor Wikileaks is interested.

Ha! That’s the type of thing I think every-time I hear about some new draconian measure “in response to 9/11″ or have to wait in a long security line at an airport. Many government whistleblowers have tried to get out there what they know, as you probably know. Unfortunately not the media, the 9/11 Commission nor Wikileaks is interested.

When you get to know the Truth of what is waiting for you you are bound to appear Pessimistic to the blind

I can tell you stories that will scare the skin of yer back…

..an I am only 4

When you get to know the Truth of what is waiting for you you are bound to appear Pessimistic to the blind

I can tell you stories that will scare the skin of yer back…

..an I am only 4

When you get to know the Truth of what is waiting for you you are bound to appear Pessimistic to the blind

I can tell you stories that will scare the skin of yer back…

..an I am only 4

When you get to know the Truth of what is waiting for you you are bound to appear Pessimistic to the blind

I can tell you stories that will scare the skin of yer back…

..an I am only 4

haha

haha

haha

haha

Don’t bother. They’ve been building a database matching logins and mac addresses and ISVs. From their they can get your real name,address of record, and track your location. The next generation processors using quantum physics will be much, much, much, more powerful. Big brother is here in America, right now.

Don’t bother. They’ve been building a database matching logins and mac addresses and ISVs. From their they can get your real name,address of record, and track your location. The next generation processors using quantum physics will be much, much, much, more powerful. Big brother is here in America, right now.

Don’t bother. They’ve been building a database matching logins and mac addresses and ISVs. From their they can get your real name,address of record, and track your location. The next generation processors using quantum physics will be much, much, much, more powerful. Big brother is here in America, right now.

Don’t bother. They’ve been building a database matching logins and mac addresses and ISVs. From their they can get your real name,address of record, and track your location. The next generation processors using quantum physics will be much, much, much, more powerful. Big brother is here in America, right now.

It won’t be long until Americans will spy on each other and report them to the FBI or other authorities. There will be cases when some citizen will make false accusations to get even with a neighbor. Is this our so-called “freedom”? I have seen it happen in Germany in the 1930ties, and it happened again in East Germany after WW II, when the entire country was one big spy network.
Is that what is in store for us?
My country I weep for thee.

It won’t be long until Americans will spy on each other and report them to the FBI or other authorities. There will be cases when some citizen will make false accusations to get even with a neighbor. Is this our so-called “freedom”? I have seen it happen in Germany in the 1930ties, and it happened again in East Germany after WW II, when the entire country was one big spy network.
Is that what is in store for us?
My country I weep for thee.

It won’t be long until Americans will spy on each other and report them to the FBI or other authorities. There will be cases when some citizen will make false accusations to get even with a neighbor. Is this our so-called “freedom”? I have seen it happen in Germany in the 1930ties, and it happened again in East Germany after WW II, when the entire country was one big spy network.
Is that what is in store for us?
My country I weep for thee.

It won’t be long until Americans will spy on each other and report them to the FBI or other authorities. There will be cases when some citizen will make false accusations to get even with a neighbor. Is this our so-called “freedom”? I have seen it happen in Germany in the 1930ties, and it happened again in East Germany after WW II, when the entire country was one big spy network.
Is that what is in store for us?
My country I weep for thee.

Next we’ll be reading that Oswald might not have actually killed Kennedy.

Next we’ll be reading that Oswald might not have actually killed Kennedy.

Next we’ll be reading that Oswald might not have actually killed Kennedy.

No charge for the insult or for saving my life?

No charge for the insult or for saving my life?

No charge for the insult or for saving my life?

No charge for the insult or for saving my life?

No. Yeah? No, can’t be. Yeah? Oh, a flashback.
The President’s Analyst — 1968

Those who don’t know doom are destined to repeat it.

No. Yeah? No, can’t be. Yeah? Oh, a flashback.
The President’s Analyst — 1968

Those who don’t know doom are destined to repeat it.

No. Yeah? No, can’t be. Yeah? Oh, a flashback.
The President’s Analyst — 1968

Those who don’t know doom are destined to repeat it.

No. Yeah? No, can’t be. Yeah? Oh, a flashback.
The President’s Analyst — 1968

Those who don’t know doom are destined to repeat it.

No. Yeah? No, can’t be. Yeah? Oh, a flashback.
The President’s Analyst — 1968

Those who don’t know doom are destined to repeat it.

Either one. Hell it’s Christmas. Freebies for EVERYONE (well, ALMOST anyone… righties need not apply).

Either one. Hell it’s Christmas. Freebies for EVERYONE (well, ALMOST anyone… righties need not apply).

Either one. Hell it’s Christmas. Freebies for EVERYONE (well, ALMOST anyone… righties need not apply).

Either one. Hell it’s Christmas. Freebies for EVERYONE (well, ALMOST anyone… righties need not apply).

Either one. Hell it’s Christmas. Freebies for EVERYONE (well, ALMOST anyone… righties need not apply).

In these desperate times can you imagine how much “info” they could get from us peasants for $20?

In these desperate times can you imagine how much “info” they could get from us peasants for $20?

In these desperate times can you imagine how much “info” they could get from us peasants for $20?

In these desperate times can you imagine how much “info” they could get from us peasants for $20?

False flag operation like Julian Assange and Wikileaks?

False flag operation like Julian Assange and Wikileaks?

False flag operation like Julian Assange and Wikileaks?

False flag operation like Julian Assange and Wikileaks?

False flag operation like Julian Assange and Wikileaks?

Ah if they would have just read your emails better they’d have put you on the list and arrested you.

3000+ lives lost in 911, who knows how many lost since. At some point you reach diminishing returns with this surveillance.

Ah if they would have just read your emails better they’d have put you on the list and arrested you.

3000+ lives lost in 911, who knows how many lost since. At some point you reach diminishing returns with this surveillance.

Ah if they would have just read your emails better they’d have put you on the list and arrested you.

3000+ lives lost in 911, who knows how many lost since. At some point you reach diminishing returns with this surveillance.

Ah if they would have just read your emails better they’d have put you on the list and arrested you.

3000+ lives lost in 911, who knows how many lost since. At some point you reach diminishing returns with this surveillance.

Have you not read the huge lighted signs over top of most all interstate roads which state….
Report any suspicious activities you might see and than they give you a phone number to report it with.

Have you not read the huge lighted signs over top of most all interstate roads which state….
Report any suspicious activities you might see and than they give you a phone number to report it with.

Have you not read the huge lighted signs over top of most all interstate roads which state….
Report any suspicious activities you might see and than they give you a phone number to report it with.

Have you not read the huge lighted signs over top of most all interstate roads which state….
Report any suspicious activities you might see and than they give you a phone number to report it with.

It looks as if not only Cheney carries a Shotgun to silent whistle blowers with.

It looks as if not only Cheney carries a Shotgun to silent whistle blowers with.

It looks as if not only Cheney carries a Shotgun to silent whistle blowers with.

It looks as if not only Cheney carries a Shotgun to silent whistle blowers with.

It looks as if not only Cheney carries a Shotgun to silent whistle blowers with.

If you agree it’s a serious problem then it cannot be overstated, only understated.

Why do you always bring up Bush and the past? This is the second time you’ve done that.

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Is this not what you wanted?
You voted for it.
You PAID for it.

If you really don’t like it, stop complying with the unlawful edicts for an unconstitutional government. This one, its just Total Information Awareness by another name.

What? No reich wing kindness? I’m afraid the good lawd may smite you for that one.

What? No reich wing kindness? I’m afraid the good lawd may smite you for that one.

I’m confused, is the ECHELON PROJECT no longer useful?

Hitler and Mussolini have finally won WWII.
All those poor bastards who fought died for nothing. Nothing.

Get used to it, we’re ALL terrorists now.

Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Janet Napolitano has said that in the future there will be increased internet monitoring of US citizens in response to the dangers of terrorism.
In a speech to the American Constitution Society for Law and Policy Napolitano said that recent domestic terrorism cases had shown that the internet was used to gather information for attacks. As a result the US was beefing up its monitoring capabilities and there would be a trade-off with individual’s privacy.
“The First Amendment protects radical opinions, but we need the legal tools to do things like monitor the recruitment of terrorists via the Internet,” Napolitano said, according to Associated Press.http://www.puppetgov.com/2010/06/21/napolitano-advocates-government-surveillance-of-internet-to-fight-domestic-terrorism/
But go ahead and Blame Fox. That’s what the government wants you to do.

Well, you’re right, there IS NO right wing kindness. And so they don’t deserve any in return. Anyone who would cut off 9-11 responders from getting any health care after their heroism or not continue unemployment for those in need have shown they have NO compassion, no mercy, no caring for anyone but themselves and their top 2% buddies. They don’t NEED anything from me, and I won’t offer anything.

And I doubt that the Lawd, should there actually be one, wont mind if I don’t feed the greed of those who already have too much. If I do get struck down for it, then I don’t want anything to do with that deity anyway. I prefer one that gives a damn about HUMANS, not money.

And just to really piss off those who would be: HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!! SEASON’S GREETINGS. (I would say merry Xmas, but there is historical reasons for that one. The first letter of the word for Christ was an X, which is where the Xmas came from. It’s not an anti Christ anything, it was an abbreviation in use by the early Christians who didn’t want to be found out). Anywho, Happy Hannakuh, Kickin’ Kwanzaa, slammin’ Solstice, Fearsome Festivus, and a seriously wonderful whatever you happen to celebrate at this most miserable time of year.

I hate it, myself, it’s cold, it’s dark, it snows and you have to drive on it, and on top of that, people are falsely cheery for a freaking MONTH. This is the second Christmas since my Becky died, and she was my reason for giving a damn about Christmas at all. After 18 1/2 years together, I don’t have much reason for looking positively on this time of year. So everybody out there, have an extra great one for me, okay? Make up for me, and I’ll appreciate it.

Ho fucking ho!

Well, you’re right, there IS NO right wing kindness. And so they don’t deserve any in return. Anyone who would cut off 9-11 responders from getting any health care after their heroism or not continue unemployment for those in need have shown they have NO compassion, no mercy, no caring for anyone but themselves and their top 2% buddies. They don’t NEED anything from me, and I won’t offer anything.

And I doubt that the Lawd, should there actually be one, wont mind if I don’t feed the greed of those who already have too much. If I do get struck down for it, then I don’t want anything to do with that deity anyway. I prefer one that gives a damn about HUMANS, not money.

And just to really piss off those who would be: HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!! SEASON’S GREETINGS. (I would say merry Xmas, but there is historical reasons for that one. The first letter of the word for Christ was an X, which is where the Xmas came from. It’s not an anti Christ anything, it was an abbreviation in use by the early Christians who didn’t want to be found out). Anywho, Happy Hannakuh, Kickin’ Kwanzaa, slammin’ Solstice, Fearsome Festivus, and a seriously wonderful whatever you happen to celebrate at this most miserable time of year.

I hate it, myself, it’s cold, it’s dark, it snows and you have to drive on it, and on top of that, people are falsely cheery for a freaking MONTH. This is the second Christmas since my Becky died, and she was my reason for giving a damn about Christmas at all. After 18 1/2 years together, I don’t have much reason for looking positively on this time of year. So everybody out there, have an extra great one for me, okay? Make up for me, and I’ll appreciate it.

Ho fucking ho!

But go ahead and Blame Fox. That’s what the government wants you to do.

WTF? Care to explain where that came from?

But go ahead and Blame Fox. That’s what the government wants you to do.

WTF? Care to explain where that came from?

But go ahead and Blame Fox. That’s what the government wants you to do.

WTF? Care to explain where that came from?

Excellent question. The ability to spy on us 24/7 wasn’t enough?

One election? We’re there baby. Big brother knows I’m broke and I’m probably on the ‘no fly’ list. We’ll see on Wednesday.

“Your “views” belong on FAUX Nation”.
It just a bit tiresome and plays into the division the government so craves.

Whatever you do, never, and I mean NEVER, question the events of 9/11.

Demolition companies, are all just setting inexpensive fires in steel framed buildings to take them down these days…don’t you know.

Whatever you do, never, and I mean NEVER, question the events of 9/11.

Demolition companies, are all just setting inexpensive fires in steel framed buildings to take them down these days…don’t you know.

My current favorite strain, as a California medical cannabis patient, is Super Silver Haze.

My current favorite strain, as a California medical cannabis patient, is Super Silver Haze.

Ah, nice to meet you, Mr. Psyops man.

Ah, nice to meet you, Mr. Psyops man.

Think of being on their list as a badge of honour. Just like being on a Southern Poverty Law Center or ADL list is a good thing.

If you are not on their Stazi lists you must be brain dead of one of the sheeple.
Definitely not a patriot or a good American.

Think of being on their list as a badge of honour. Just like being on a Southern Poverty Law Center or ADL list is a good thing.

If you are not on their Stazi lists you must be brain dead of one of the sheeple.
Definitely not a patriot or a good American.

Think of being on their list as a badge of honour. Just like being on a Southern Poverty Law Center or ADL list is a good thing.

If you are not on their Stazi lists you must be brain dead of one of the sheeple.
Definitely not a patriot or a good American.

They’re not worried about any terrorists. They’re afraid of us. That’s why the big push right now to control the internet.

They really should legalize all drugs. I mean all of them, not just pot. That’s the only way we’ll go along with government shit, is if we’re all too high to care.

It worked in Iraq, too. There are taxi drivers and shop owners locked up in Gitmo now, simply because another man wanted what they had.

I pass one of these signs every evening on the way to work. Sometimes it cautions due to the weather, sometimes it says to report drunk drivers. The last 8 months or so, it’s been blank. I figure the guy who sent the messages to it to display got laid off.

This could easily describe the old Soviet Union. The statists in federal government have turned the U.S. into a police state, all under the pretext of national security and keeping us safe. The ones America really needs to be protected from are be found in the U.S. federal government.

I’m so sorry, Daddy. I’ll spank myself and give myself some time out.

Really, dude, don’t you have someone else to pick on? Haven’t you noticed that there are plenty of ill-fated characters around here? And trolls. Why don’t you go take it out on the trolls? See, dude, you are the perfect example of why there will never be peace on Earth. When you run out of material on the opposite side, you turn to those who are supposed to be on your own side and attack them. Gives you something to do, I suppose, eh?

This is the real face of terrorism. America being destroyed from the inside by extremists. This a continuation of the Cheney cabal’s thinking. We need to know who is supporting this.

This is the real face of terrorism. America being destroyed from the inside by extremists. This a continuation of the Cheney cabal’s thinking. We need to know who is supporting this.

This is the real face of terrorism. America being destroyed from the inside by extremists. This a continuation of the Cheney cabal’s thinking. We need to know who is supporting this.

This is the real face of terrorism. America being destroyed from the inside by extremists. This a continuation of the Cheney cabal’s thinking. We need to know who is supporting this.

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I dont know what your trying to say. We have already established that Bush is bad, whats your point? That Obama is good? Why then has he not erased at least some of the power abuses of GWB?

I’ll tell you why; Because he wants that power just as much as Bush did, and he will do the same thing with his power….abuse it.

I dont know what your trying to say. We have already established that Bush is bad, whats your point? That Obama is good? Why then has he not erased at least some of the power abuses of GWB?

I’ll tell you why; Because he wants that power just as much as Bush did, and he will do the same thing with his power….abuse it.

You mean besides Obama, Holden, Napolitano?

You mean besides Obama, Holden, Napolitano?

since your the one who wants a database of people with a different political ideology, I’d say you would be the first one on that “Nazi” list. You know this story is about just that, the Gov. making “databases” on people and snooping where they dont belong. You sir, are either stupid or have your head so far up your own ass that you cant even see that your own criticism should apply to you, and your rabid liberals as well as our federal gov.

since your the one who wants a database of people with a different political ideology, I’d say you would be the first one on that “Nazi” list. You know this story is about just that, the Gov. making “databases” on people and snooping where they dont belong. You sir, are either stupid or have your head so far up your own ass that you cant even see that your own criticism should apply to you, and your rabid liberals as well as our federal gov.

Sorry for my angry comment HayBoy, I just really hate the idea of a database or a list of people…no matter who is making it, or for what purpose.

Sorry for my angry comment HayBoy, I just really hate the idea of a database or a list of people…no matter who is making it, or for what purpose.

I wonder what happens when those complicit in government cover-ups wake up to the fact that they embrace misguided loyalties? Catch 22, too late! 9/11 has triggered a kind of dark age where government chases phantom terrorists of its own creation, apparently convinced that the public is out to get them. Who suffers from neurotic tendencies and delusions of superiority as though some deity endows them with a mandate for power? This is a self fulfilling prophecy coming to life before our very eyes where sacrificial lambs embrace allegiance to something that no longer exists while they allow the application of their own demise.

I wonder what happens when those complicit in government cover-ups wake up to the fact that they embrace misguided loyalties? Catch 22, too late! 9/11 has triggered a kind of dark age where government chases phantom terrorists of its own creation, apparently convinced that the public is out to get them. Who suffers from neurotic tendencies and delusions of superiority as though some deity endows them with a mandate for power? This is a self fulfilling prophecy coming to life before our very eyes where sacrificial lambs embrace allegiance to something that no longer exists while they allow the application of their own demise.

Who was it that took his money? And under what pretense?

(I’m sure you understand who the “they” is, but unfortunately I don’t have enough information to comprehend the situation.)

Who was it that took his money? And under what pretense?

(I’m sure you understand who the “they” is, but unfortunately I don’t have enough information to comprehend the situation.)

Who was it that took his money? And under what pretense?

(I’m sure you understand who the “they” is, but unfortunately I don’t have enough information to comprehend the situation.)

I understand your frustration here, so I ask only that we try to get some added info from johnniefavorite so that we can all learn from his friends’ experience.

Such as–what were the circumstances, who did what to whom.

Your original comment was right on target, and employs (I think) the principles of civil disobedience, and peaceful resistance.

i simply ignore the vast snooping machine.
homeland security, fbi, and everyone else can kiss my Fking ass.

Especially the ADL.
To hell with you and this Fked up Jew World Order. I dont give a sh*t what you do. Be it now, or whenever you can have your dream of jailing me for what i say. Go ahead.. I know youll have beer. Couldnt care less.

i simply ignore the vast snooping machine.
homeland security, fbi, and everyone else can kiss my Fking ass.

Especially the ADL.
To hell with you and this Fked up Jew World Order. I dont give a sh*t what you do. Be it now, or whenever you can have your dream of jailing me for what i say. Go ahead.. I know youll have beer. Couldnt care less.

I believe Osama Bin Laden’s long range plan of 911 was to take down the United States by getting a one of his insiders into the United States government. Things that make you go…hmmm.

I believe Osama Bin Laden’s long range plan of 911 was to take down the United States by getting a one of his insiders into the United States government. Things that make you go…hmmm.

The state of Cali. He was doing that ‘Tin Man’ shit; whatever they call it. It’s a little too complicated to go into detail here. And i’m really not the person to do it anyway. Point is I guess, if the gov wants you’re money they have guns, way more than you or I, they’ll take it

The state of Cali. He was doing that ‘Tin Man’ shit; whatever they call it. It’s a little too complicated to go into detail here. And i’m really not the person to do it anyway. Point is I guess, if the gov wants you’re money they have guns, way more than you or I, they’ll take it

The state of Cali. He was doing that ‘Tin Man’ shit; whatever they call it. It’s a little too complicated to go into detail here. And i’m really not the person to do it anyway. Point is I guess, if the gov wants you’re money they have guns, way more than you or I, they’ll take it

The state of Cali. He was doing that ‘Tin Man’ shit; whatever they call it. It’s a little too complicated to go into detail here. And i’m really not the person to do it anyway. Point is I guess, if the gov wants you’re money they have guns, way more than you or I, they’ll take it

The state of Cali. He was doing that ‘Tin Man’ shit; whatever they call it. It’s a little too complicated to go into detail here. And i’m really not the person to do it anyway. Point is I guess, if the gov wants you’re money they have guns, way more than you or I, they’ll take it

For a bank to allow the confiscation of a person’s money, it must follow from the order of a court, after some sort of process (lawsuit, criminal proceeding, etc.).

Otherwise, it’s a case of theft done by the bank, which can be addressed both criminally and as a civil matter. And the state could have joint liability if the order of the court was unlawful.

But going back to RawStoryIdiot’s original point and his comment to yours, we can withdraw our consent and begin to take our power back. It does take courage to resist, and sometimes there could be consequences.

How many know the meaning of the word “dilemma”? Fewer and fewer I would guess as the active popular language quotient shrinks in proportion to the decline of the rest of our culture. What we have is a clearly delineated duality of interests vying for the attentions of an increasingly cowardly congress who have in reality already sank below any standards of responsibility to the national purpose. Seemingly following a mysterious agenda that we who support them are completely ignorant of, they enact legislation that a generation ago could have caused riots in the streets and in some cases could have gotten them scrutinized for the possibility of sedition. And it continues, nay, it accelerates, and that despite the very clear voices of the majority saying enough is enough, this is America it is not Europe and we do not want to become a euro-clone (underline DO NOT!) So then what’s going on here, the sophomoric philosophies of a handful of increasingly openly socialist “intellects” are taking precedent over the better judgments of the mass of the public. Isn’t this exactly what happened in Russia a few wars ago? Isn’t this exactly what happened in China a few famines ago? Can’t happen here though can it? No of course not, we’re much too smart for that! Ok phew, that’s a relief. Now that that’s settled, back to the dilemma. How can the “government” protect us from those mean old terrorists and at the same time do it without (God forbid) infringing on our “personal space”? Well that’s easy, just — Umm — well maybe — oh I know, kill all the — no wait — on the other hand — we could — no that would be (horrors) profiling — how about — no wait, that would be racist — got it, we could — no, that would be sexist — do-da, do da, and the band played on! We have to have it both ways or we’ll just sue hell out of — well whoever our attorney thinks will be the easiest mark, he can put an ad on tv ~HAVE YOU OR SOMEONE YOU LOVE BEEN GROPED BY~ —— well, you get the picture.

I’m no lawyer have no real knowledge of money or money matters but I know a couple of people the IRS has just taken their fucking shit. I remember a friend years ago, they even came and took his vehicles (not a dope charge either, tax shit). He had not paid taxes in years and they just finally caught up to him. If I am not mistaken he had no notice of it either, they just swoop and you have to try and get shit back. This is crazy though … after they wiped him out he went back and lived with his mom in rural Illinois and wound up hitting the lotto about 2 years later. That’s a true story. I was so fuggin’ happy cuzz he was a really cool guy.
My original point though was to just back the fuck out of the system, do everything cash and barter (I have not used a credit card since like 1978). I also successfully rasied 3 kids in the interim so it can be done. I am lucky though, as I have skills that can be used in such a way that I never have had to have a ‘regular paycheck’ type job.

I’m no lawyer have no real knowledge of money or money matters but I know a couple of people the IRS has just taken their fucking shit. I remember a friend years ago, they even came and took his vehicles (not a dope charge either, tax shit). He had not paid taxes in years and they just finally caught up to him. If I am not mistaken he had no notice of it either, they just swoop and you have to try and get shit back. This is crazy though … after they wiped him out he went back and lived with his mom in rural Illinois and wound up hitting the lotto about 2 years later. That’s a true story. I was so fuggin’ happy cuzz he was a really cool guy.
My original point though was to just back the fuck out of the system, do everything cash and barter (I have not used a credit card since like 1978). I also successfully rasied 3 kids in the interim so it can be done. I am lucky though, as I have skills that can be used in such a way that I never have had to have a ‘regular paycheck’ type job.

I’m no lawyer have no real knowledge of money or money matters but I know a couple of people the IRS has just taken their fucking shit. I remember a friend years ago, they even came and took his vehicles (not a dope charge either, tax shit). He had not paid taxes in years and they just finally caught up to him. If I am not mistaken he had no notice of it either, they just swoop and you have to try and get shit back. This is crazy though … after they wiped him out he went back and lived with his mom in rural Illinois and wound up hitting the lotto about 2 years later. That’s a true story. I was so fuggin’ happy cuzz he was a really cool guy.
My original point though was to just back the fuck out of the system, do everything cash and barter (I have not used a credit card since like 1978). I also successfully rasied 3 kids in the interim so it can be done. I am lucky though, as I have skills that can be used in such a way that I never have had to have a ‘regular paycheck’ type job.

See above, I tried to explain a little more fully, as space here would allow anyway, in a couple of posts above. But he walked into the bank to cash a check and his shit was just gonzo. People don’t understand of you are just some regular schmuck the IRS/gov/police guys can basically do whatever they want. No, they can. And unless you have some major dinero to fight back with….fuck you.

See above, I tried to explain a little more fully, as space here would allow anyway, in a couple of posts above. But he walked into the bank to cash a check and his shit was just gonzo. People don’t understand of you are just some regular schmuck the IRS/gov/police guys can basically do whatever they want. No, they can. And unless you have some major dinero to fight back with….fuck you.

See above, I tried to explain a little more fully, as space here would allow anyway, in a couple of posts above. But he walked into the bank to cash a check and his shit was just gonzo. People don’t understand of you are just some regular schmuck the IRS/gov/police guys can basically do whatever they want. No, they can. And unless you have some major dinero to fight back with….fuck you.

Not a lawyer either. But spent lots of time in a courtroom. Even the IRS has to go through process. Been on the lowProfile for a couple decades. They can’t just take your shit. They need court orders. Otherwise you have recourse. I’m at tpmco1@yahoo.com–we could take take this off-line if you want.

Not a lawyer either. But spent lots of time in a courtroom. Even the IRS has to go through process. Been on the lowProfile for a couple decades. They can’t just take your shit. They need court orders. Otherwise you have recourse. I’m at tpmco1@yahoo.com–we could take take this off-line if you want.

Not a lawyer either. But spent lots of time in a courtroom. Even the IRS has to go through process. Been on the lowProfile for a couple decades. They can’t just take your shit. They need court orders. Otherwise you have recourse. I’m at tpmco1@yahoo.com–we could take take this off-line if you want.

The thing is you’re fucked if they try to shank you like that. But it’s illegal. That falls into the category of willful and malicious, and lots of lawyers love that kind of talk.

Appreciate your concern but it’s not really my fight (well not now anyway…HA!). To be honest money confuses confounds and basically just bores the shit out of me (not the macro econ though, that shit is fascinating), anyway I know that’s not how you have to be in this day and age but I just do not give a fuck. I have a life to lead and enjoy and, well so fuck that shit. Hahaaa!

Goddamm does CNN BLOW or what? I have friends that watch that TV news shit and it astounds me how full of shit it is…all of it, even that fucking msnbc too, sorry. The folks I know who are the ‘TV news’ junkies, they think they are all really well informed and well, they don’t know shit and they refuse to even hear anything beyond the status quo parameters those fucking talking head readers set up. No that’s true. It’s like their socio-political unverse is defined and proscribed by the TV news…and that’s it.

Everybody is on drugs, the real bad ones too that really fuck you the fuck up. They get them from their doctors

Does Jeremy Bentham make water run uphill too?

Maybe he’s on the google–have to check him out. Was he a false flag terrorist?

I think Indi has a point. Good police work will sometimes produce usable information. To share that information is a useful concept. Data-mining is not good police work.

To ignore useful information, especially by people like GW Bush, is sheer incompetence. Why would that prick ignore the facts of buildings collapsing which had not been hit? Where is the evidence of the plane that hit the Pentagon? Train your nose a bit, waterrunsuphill, and seek the truth.

In the meantime don’t pussy in the face of intelligent discussion.

Sorry, Denny. You forgot to include the unborn–those who we have the task of educating in today’s world. Do you chastise them or encourage them? Sometimes a little of each?

Shit, I was just a kid when McCarthy was spewing–my mom was abhorrent and my dad was all all-agog. Well, dad won, and I was indoctrinated into the anti-communism narrative. Until Vietnam happened. We had a household war. Then I lost. Dad eventually converted, but the scar has been permanent.

I hope your electricity is pretty reliable, your computer chips reliable, and your bridges keep you above water. Lately, they don’t pay me for what I know. I did what I could.

And that’s not to be cynical, I still got more.

But Boston, the surveillance is not meant to prevent terror attacks (that’s the cover story), it is to track, trace, and extinguish the germ of any idea not approved of by the oligarchy.

“The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more
controlled society.  Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen.
These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities.”

Zbigniew Brzezinski in, “Between Two Ages: America’s Role In The Technetronic Era”.

Both loans paid back? – a little accounting trick, Brain, just to appease you and put you back to sleep.

Yes, they are small enough that we would only rarely even notice them.

Damn straight I complained when this stuff started, and before Bush too, but as soon as Obama was appointed all the lefties thought their troubles were over and abandoned those of us who knew better.

And the prison system can be used to undermine what is left of small farming and ranching, and those who use organic methods – look at this model work farm:

thesunnews.com/2010/11/13/1810167/prison-builds-scs-largest-dairy.html

Yes, but now they’ll come for you with a loaded dossier and even your mother will believe you’re bad.

Check your home address.