US threatened ‘retaliation’ to bully EU into accepting biotech crops, cable shows

By David Edwards and Stephen Webster
Monday, December 20, 2010 18:59 EST
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Reacting to a French pledge to represent the “common interest” in considering biotech foods, a former US ambassador recommended publishing a “retaliation list” of European locations where genetically modified organisms (GMOs) were being grown in hopes that activists would destroy them and “cause some pain” for officials, a leaked diplomatic cable shows.

In a confidential communication dated Dec. 14, 2007 and released by WikiLeaks on Sunday, then-US Ambassador to France Craig Roberts Stapleton recommended creating the list if France and the EU continued to ban biotech seeds.

“Mission Paris recommends that that the [United States government] reinforce our negotiating position with the EU on agricultural biotechnology by publishing a retaliation list when the extend ‘Reasonable Time Period’ expires,” Stapleton wrote. “Europe is moving backwards not forwards on this issue with France playing a leading role, along with Austria, Italy and even the [European] Commission.”

Stapelton added that the US should create a list “that causes some pain across the EU, since this is a collective responsibility, but that also focuses in part on the worst culprits.”

He continued: “The list should be measured rather than vicious and must be sustainable over the long term, since we should not expect an early victory.”

The former US official added that France’s “High Authority” on agricultural biotech was particularly offensive because it sought to “roll back established science-based decision making.” He added that a bill considered by the French National Assembly should be rebuked by the publication “of a registry identifying the cultivation of GMOs at the parcel levels” … “given the propensity for activists to destroy GMO crops in the field.”

The document would appear to expose a high-ranking US official advocating a selective leak of otherwise confidential information to achieve a European political objective on behalf of US private industry.

The law that was considered in France would have made farmers and biotech firms liable for pollen drift of their modified crops — a move that “could make any biotech planting impossible in practical terms,” the Stapleton wrote.

It was essentially the same principle the US employs for environmental pollution: the polluter must pay. GMO firms, however, are given exception to those regulations in North America.

The spread of modified genes into the wild is of particular concern to critics of biotech food crops, who cite studies linking GM seeds to organ damage and infertility in animals. Most Monsanto seeds are modified to resist pesticides such as Roundup, which has been shown to cause cancer and genetic mutations in humans. It is still unclear whether genetically modified foods pose health risks, but they have been adopted in soaring quantities in the United States.

“Soybeans and cotton genetically engineered with herbicide-tolerant traits have been the most widely and rapidly adopted GE crops in the U.S., followed by insect-resistant cotton and corn,” according to the US Department of Agriculture (USDA).

Researchers at the University of Arkansas found in August that canola, a modified rapeseed used mainly for oil, had managed to sustain itself in the wilds of North Dakota. Up to 80 percent of the plants they tested had genes that were modified to resist herbicide. It was the first time modified crops had been discovered growing in the wild, the BBC noted.

Monsanto’s genetically modified corn, currently banned across the EU, was also found growing in Ireland, the Irish Department of Agriculture said.

Stapleton was appointed Ambassador to France in 2005 by President George W. Bush. His wife is a cousin of President George H.W. Bush. Stapelton was replaced as ambassador in July 2009, when President Barack Obama named Charles Rivkin to the post.

Europe continues biotech resistance

It’s not clear from the release if the US went ahead with its plan for the “retaliation list,” but Stapelton was certainly right on whether the US should expect an early victory in European public opinion.

In December, more than one million Europeans signed a petition demanding the EU halt the approval of new genetically modified crops. The petition was later dismissed by the EU Commission on procedural grounds.

In the last 12 years only two organisms have been licensed for seeding across Europe, and one of them was a potato that triggered the recent mass petition against the crops. The number one multinational biotech firm in the world, Monsanto, isn’t happy about that.

But like other US business interests, Monsanto hasn’t been sitting around whining about policy backlash foreign or domestic. The Nation‘s Jeremy Scahill revealed in September that the world’s top producer of genetically modified seeds hired US security contractor Blackwater to “infiltrate activist groups organizing against the multinational biotech firm.” The leaked cable makes no mention of Blackwater mercenaries operating in Europe.

Other cables released in recent days showed that, behind the scenes, Spain has been a key ally of the US in defending genetically modified crops.

Spanish Secretary of State and Deputy Minister Josep Puxeu contacted US officials to ask for support after his country came under pressure to ban their Monsanto-developed MON810 corn crop, a cable revealed.

“He asked that the USG maintain pressure on Brussels to keep agricultural biotechnology an option for Member States and requested that the USG work together with Spain in this endeavor.”

Another cable sent to the Vatican on Nov. 19, 2009 indicated that Pope Benedict XVI also supports genetically modified crops, but will not admit it in public.

“Vatican officials remain largely supportive of genetically modified crops as a vehicle for protecting the environment while feeding the hungry, but — at least for now — are unwilling to challenge bishops who disagree,” it explained.

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  • Anonymous

    Another name for Lucifer is Monsanto (could Monsanto be translated as “my saint”?).

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    See? What did I say about the government using vigilantes and lists?

    Now we know they have “retaliation list”.

    Who among us are on that list and how do we get off? My research had led to this site http://www.targetofopportunity.com/ which lists “targets of opportunity”. I suspect many of them may be on lists.

    This is from the site: Target Of Opportunity

    This website is a list and record of people that betray and endanger America by their Seditious, Treasonous, and/or Terrorist activities. Operating under the false illusion of Peaceful and Non-Violent activism, their methods are anything but Peaceful and Non-Violent. These people present a serious threat to all Americans. Each and every one of them should be considered a
    TARGET OF OPPORTUNITY

  • Anonymous

    Just say no.

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    The Nation’s Jeremy Scahill revealed in September that the world’s top producer of genetically modified seeds hired US security contractor Blackwater to “infiltrate activist groups organizing against the multinational biotech firm.”

    Infiltration by Blackwater? Aren’t Blackwater supposed to be military trained mercenaries? How many Blackwater contractors have infiltrated RawStory, Wikileaks, or the AntiWar movement? And why Blackwater instead of the traditional FBI Narc?

  • hounddogg

    “How many Blackwater contractors have infiltrated RawStory, Wikileaks, or the AntiWar movement? And why Blackwater instead of the traditional FBI Narc?” … at least 1…probably you…

  • Anonymous

    That website is a piece of shit. Anybody who takes that seriously needs to seriously relax. Here’s their top 10 about what defines a “liberal” (there are over 250 — TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY — of these points, each more ridiculous than the last; the guy who put that place together does not get out of his root cellar nearly often enough and needs to tell his mom to stop washing his penis):

    Common Beliefs of Today’s Liberal

    1. You are against the War on Terror, but are only too happy to make millions of dollars by making movies about it.

    2. You preach about the evils of Capitalism from the comfort of your weekend hillside estate.

    3. You cry about the evils of “profiteering corporations”, but still demand your weekly paycheck.

    4. You believe “rich people” are evil, but are willing to over-look the fact that Ted Kennedy, Bill Clinton, George Soros, Michael Moore, and Al Franken are “rich”, as well.

    5. You scream and shout when innocent civilians are accidentally caught in the crossfire, but remain silent when terrorists kill them on purpose.

    6. You believe that civilians caught in the crossfire of terrorists attacking American troops died because of America and not because of the actions of the terrorists that actually killed them.

    7. You believe O.J. Simpson is actually looking for the “real killers”.

    8. You claim a higher moral ground in opposing the death penalty but see abortion as an expression of Women’s Rights as guaranteed in the Constitution.

    9. You believe America deserved 9/11.

    10. You believe American troops are “war criminals”, but a thug who killed somebody in cold blood is just a “victim of society”.

    http://www.targetofopportunity.com/are_you_liberal.htm

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  • Anonymous

    One of the saddest tales I’ve heard was the destruction of the corn crops of Mexico. Heritage that’s older than most peoples bibles. I grew up to watch Monsanto take apart family farms unlucky enough to be in the path of the wind carrying the seeds they released after patenting.

    People look at a lot of thing when they consider the future. Two things have always been at the top of my list. One is food, the other is water. Both are pretty fucked.

    It’s almost conspiratorial.

  • Anonymous

    haha

    Hey that’s not a bad stimulus plan we can pay people to talk shit to their computers. Massive skilled labor force for that.

  • Anonymous

    no

  • Jaimie11

    This is supposed to scare us? You really give these people credibility?

    They say “These people would have you believe that America deserved to have the World Trade Center destroyed. How many billions of dollars has the United States given in aid to countries only to have major populations of these same countries dancing in the street celebrating the World Trade Center being destroyed?”

    The people I know don’t think that all – they think that it was crime committed by criminals in high office and with extensive access to intelligence services and very large amounts of money, like the Pentagon budget.

  • Jaimie11

    Who cares – that always happens. Every peaceful action that turns violent has been infiltrated by saboteurs. It comes with the territory, or is that terrorstory.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Oh goodie…now the Euro crowd can enjoy the benefits of unpredictable alterations in diet and unknown consequences from lack of long term testing (which is the ONLY way to accurately assess the effects on a crop that will become a dietary staple for a lifetime. The ‘if the animal didn’t die in 16 weeks it must be all good!’ testing style is worthless when dealing with dietary/nutrition consequences that may take 30 years or a whole generation to measure.).

    Monsanto…even Dr. No and Ernst Blofeld look at you in envy and applaud your naked evil.

  • Jaimie11

    Yeah, it’s just a right-wing group of neocon supporters. Oooh, scary!

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    If I worked for Blackwater I wouldn’t expect to keep my job would I?

  • Jaimie11

    Not only that – they have destroyed the careers of honest scientists whose research found dreadful flaws in Monsanto’s own research and glowing product claims. Evil does little to describe just how noxious Monsanto is. They are altering, irreparably, the earth’s genome.

    They must be stopped.

  • Anonymous

    Since when did the United States became a bully for private companies?

    Why aren’t all the Free Marketeers screaming and hollering about government butting in on Free Market.

    This cable shows the Free Market clowns are full bullshit.

  • hounddogg

    either you really, really like Raw or you’re getting paid to post here…i surmise it’s the latter…

  • Anonymous

    What do you mean it’s “almost” conspiratorial. I have news for you… it IS conspiratorial. Monsanto is the most evil corporation on the planet, founded by nazis and is still run by them. They deal in death… herbicides, fungicides, GMO seeds and crops, frankenfood that has ALREADY shown to damage livers, kidneys, and brains of mice and rats. This they feed to us humans… their real prolicy is EUGENICS. They wish to depopulate the globe, part of the Illuminati New World Order. This is no joke… our government, including Mr. Obama, is in on this plot. Obama has appointed Monsanto execs to key governmental positions. The new food “safety” bill is sponsored by them! It is a food fascism bill designed to outlaw organic foodstuffs and small family farms. We are in need of a revolution if we are to save ourselves…. the US Government has become our own worst enemy, the terrorist within.

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    That doesn’t change the fact that vigilantes who oppose these groups are given authorization by the government to target them. What the vigilantes believe is unimportant, what is important is that the government is collecting information, compiling enemies or retaliation lists, and then distributing the information collected from this intense surveillance to other groups of Americans who believe the exact opposite.

    It’s similar to how the FBI provided information and support to fascists who opposed communism as a way to confront communism. It’s like how operation Gladio worked, they collect all kinds of surveillance on the subversive groups whether they be feminists, anti-war, pro wikileaks, anarchists, Muslims or whomever they decide to target, then they find a group that directly hates everything they stand for.

    So if it’s Muslim they’ll provide the information to the Christian fascists or the Jews. If it’s feminists they’ll provide the information to anti-feminists, if it’s the hard left they’ll provide the information to the hard right. If it’s the liberal socialists they’ll provide the information to conservative fascists.

    Once you know that everything you believe in and everything you do online or offline is monitored and being distributed to groups that hate you by the feds, then you’ll understand the fear. How can the USA ever be united? It’s divided purposefully.

    Just like how prisons are deliberately divided by race and just like how guards deliberately fuel racism to keep prisoners fighting each other. DIVIDE AND RULE!

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    That doesn’t change the fact that vigilantes who oppose these groups are given authorization by the government to target them. What the vigilantes believe is unimportant, what is important is that the government is collecting information, compiling enemies or retaliation lists, and then distributing the information collected from this intense surveillance to other groups of Americans who believe the exact opposite.

    It’s similar to how the FBI provided information and support to fascists who opposed communism as a way to confront communism. It’s like how operation Gladio worked, they collect all kinds of surveillance on the subversive groups whether they be feminists, anti-war, pro wikileaks, anarchists, Muslims or whomever they decide to target, then they find a group that directly hates everything they stand for.

    So if it’s Muslim they’ll provide the information to the Christian fascists or the Jews. If it’s feminists they’ll provide the information to anti-feminists, if it’s the hard left they’ll provide the information to the hard right. If it’s the liberal socialists they’ll provide the information to conservative fascists.

    Once you know that everything you believe in and everything you do online or offline is monitored and being distributed to groups that hate you by the feds, then you’ll understand the fear. How can the USA ever be united? It’s divided purposefully.

    Just like how prisons are deliberately divided by race and just like how guards deliberately fuel racism to keep prisoners fighting each other. DIVIDE AND RULE!

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    There are a lot of sites out there far worse than that. I just figured RawStory would want to know what their opposition believes. Whether it’s true or not is beside the point, the government will exploit lies or truth if necessary.

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    There are a lot of sites out there far worse than that. I just figured RawStory would want to know what their opposition believes. Whether it’s true or not is beside the point, the government will exploit lies or truth if necessary.

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    If the government were paying people to post on RawStory they sure as hell have not paid me. The government probably has me on their subversives list already which means I have nothing to lose. I suppose they could add me to more lists, like the no-fly list and the terrorist watch list but for all I know I could already be on those.

    I suspect the government if they want to post stuff on Rawstory they would not pay civilians, they’d order military officers, veterans, and ex-military types.

    They’d just threaten civilians with prison if they don’t go along, because theres probably some law somewhere which says you have to accept orders from the President and the military in times of war as part of the selective service. (read about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription)

    All able bodied civilians can be drafted whether they want to or not and if not they go to prison. This would allow them legally to force any one of you, or me, to post whatever they demand on this site or others.

    Conscription in the United States (also called compulsory military service or the draft) has been employed several times, usually during war but also during the nominal peace of the Cold War. The United States discontinued the draft in 1973, moving to an all-volunteer military force, thus there is no mandatory conscription.
    However, the Selective Service System remains in place as a contingency plan; men between the ages of 18 and 25 are required to register so that a draft can be readily resumed if needed.

    Nothing stops the US Government from secretly bringing back the draft. Who is going to stop them if it’s kept “classified” or “secret”?

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    If the government were paying people to post on RawStory they sure as hell have not paid me. The government probably has me on their subversives list already which means I have nothing to lose. I suppose they could add me to more lists, like the no-fly list and the terrorist watch list but for all I know I could already be on those.

    I suspect the government if they want to post stuff on Rawstory they would not pay civilians, they’d order military officers, veterans, and ex-military types.

    They’d just threaten civilians with prison if they don’t go along, because theres probably some law somewhere which says you have to accept orders from the President and the military in times of war as part of the selective service. (read about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription)

    All able bodied civilians can be drafted whether they want to or not and if not they go to prison. This would allow them legally to force any one of you, or me, to post whatever they demand on this site or others.

    Conscription in the United States (also called compulsory military service or the draft) has been employed several times, usually during war but also during the nominal peace of the Cold War. The United States discontinued the draft in 1973, moving to an all-volunteer military force, thus there is no mandatory conscription.
    However, the Selective Service System remains in place as a contingency plan; men between the ages of 18 and 25 are required to register so that a draft can be readily resumed if needed.

    Nothing stops the US Government from secretly bringing back the draft. Who is going to stop them if it’s kept “classified” or “secret”?

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    My mistake, I do get paid in food stamps. If you want to count that as being “paid”.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Ah, Monsanto. Their golden boy must be so proud. And look at that, even the funny old guy in the dress and red shoes is batting for Monsanto (probably a long-lost cousin or something). They should force him and the rest of his pedophiles to eat nothing but genetically modified food as an experiment and see what happens before they feed it to poor, unsuspecting poor people.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Since when did the United States became a bully for private companies?

    Since the inception of the US armed forces, give or take a few years.

  • http://twitter.com/shivabeach Shiva

    Well Monsanto owned that part of the government

  • Anonymous

    brought to you by Soylent red and Soylent yellow, high energy vegetable concentrates, and new, delicious, Soylent green. The miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.

  • hounddogg

    different groups, govts, etc have been paying people for years to post on BBS’s, blogs an news websites…and they will employ anyone who can do the job and is dedicated to what ever bullshit the employer wants to excrete…

  • Johnny Warbucks

    I stand corrected, you are dumb. I used to think you were just a troll. That comment has proved me wrong.

  • Jaimie11

    I know about the divide and conquer strategy – it’s a very old one and I’ve been aware of it a long time.

    I am acutely aware that everything I do is monitored. In my city the Fusion Center has just been completed and is fully operational. There’s a prison camp about ten miles from my house. I’ve known for years that my ISP keeps records of my activity and will hand them over if they are requested. Amazon knows what books I read. Disqus has information on all of us here and on how many other sites?

    All I can do is try to point out to people how the polarities are engineered and maintained to protect the illicit government. I am not about to stop that. Can you suggest actions I can take in addition, or ways to be more effective? Or are you just suggesting it’s hopeless and to give up?

  • Anonymous

    I don’t pretend to know what they are doing. Frankly, though it’s very troubling. This whole patenting of food, patenting of life. Dangerous.

    Again the danger is it’s profit driven not by some noble purpose to feed more.

    Math wise I agree that if populations increase we will have to come up with some way to produce more food and process more waste. We put walnut shells and stool stabilizers in dog food to make.

    We have a really bad track record on this as a whole. Part of the label ready crowd ignores the fact that LA times was the major player in playing down water safety issues in California.

    Citizens tested their own water and send in the results, bitched for four years while the times gave them no play. Low and behold the school drinking fountains spew poison and it’s just breaking now all the water is full of the same shit that made Erin Brockvich famous.

    It used to be one of the best papers in the nation too. Sucks. Institutions control information, people get it out.

    Food and water man. Without those the rest doesn’t even matter.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Agent savoteurs. Whether cops, FBI, mercenaries make no difference. He’s either too stupid or deliberately trying to undermine the validity of the report. Of course, that’s what dumb trolls do.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    He’s just a reich wing savoteur. He doesn’t have the balls for anything else. At even at that, he sucks.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Are Right-Wing Libertarian Internet Trolls Getting Paid to Dumb Down Online Conversations?

    There are daily attempts to control and influence content in the interests of the state and corporations: attempts in which money talks.

    http://www.alternet.org/media/149197/are_right-wing_libertarian_internet_trolls_getting_paid_to_dumb_down_online_conversations

  • Johnny Warbucks

    You just found out about that? Where have you been for the past few years? In a cave in Afghanistan or something?

    Are Right-Wing Libertarian Internet Trolls Getting Paid to Dumb Down Online Conversations?
    There are daily attempts to control and influence content in the interests of the state and corporations: attempts in which money talks.

    http://www.alternet.org/media/149197/are_right-wing_libertarian_internet_trolls_getting_paid_to_dumb_down_online_conversations

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    Have you seen the paychecks? Have you any evidence that they are being paid by the govt?

    This is the selective service aka the draft Conscription http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Service_System

    Which is evidence/proof that in the past they could draft anybody and anybody who refused would go straight to prison. Ask Mohammed Ali.

    So why would they have to pay anybody when they can just use threats of prison? I’m sure there are enough people afraid to go to prison on rape charges. If they were going to pay them it would probably be as a confidential informant, not as a poster on some website.

    So either it’s going to be ex-soldiers(current soldiers), or informants. I’m neither of those. And I have never met any of these government paid posters (who weren’t soldiers or informants) but if you find one let me know so I can learn something.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Oh, shut up! If I here one more “see? see? what did I say about the [fill in the blank]” I’m gonna puke on your shoes, dude.

    You really suck at trolling, you know? You just have a sucky script and that’s all you repeat. I’m gonna complain about you to your Teabagging/Repubican bosses. You deserve to be fired.

  • Jaimie11

    Actually, this has been going on for sometime now. An old story, I guess the news is the ambassador wants to publish the list – but it’s a 2007 story and began well before then.

    And yes, their research methods have nothing to do with scientific evidence of safety.

  • Johnny Warbucks

    “when civilians are accidentally caught in the crossfire”

    Priceless! For everything else, there’s reich wing politics!

  • Johnny Warbucks

    See, the troll shows its true colors

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    It makes a lot of difference. Blackwater mercenaries can poison your food and have far superior weapons than local cops or the FBI informants.

  • Anonymous

    RE: “then-US Ambassador to France Craig Roberts Stapleton…” – article above
    SHOULD HAVE READ: “then-Monsanto Ambassador to France Craig Roberts Stapleton…”

  • Anonymous

    No I don’t. Not happy one bit about this nations spiral. Been going on a long time though. I was just a kid when my dad said this education system is fucked.

    No I don’t think we take care of our own here in general very well at all. I think we are only as strong as the weakest among us. I think we should help each other more and get back to some of the greater works rather than the gunworks. And bad corn.

  • Anonymous

    haha

    that’s not supposed to be funny.

    at all. Ernst Blofeld HAHA!

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Don’t underestimate the power of our beloved law enforcement heroes

  • Johnny Warbucks

    Don’t underestimate the power of our beloved law enforcement heroes

  • Anonymous

    Do everything possible in cash. Don’t use cards for Safeway or Pharmacys that are ‘discount cards’. Wear sunglasses and gloves. Books: trade books in used book stores. That’s a start anyway.

  • Anonymous

    Do everything possible in cash. Don’t use cards for Safeway or Pharmacys that are ‘discount cards’. Wear sunglasses and gloves. Books: trade books in used book stores. That’s a start anyway.

  • Anonymous

    my favorite:

    2. You preach about the evils of Capitalism from the comfort of your weekend hillside estate.

    And sail around the world in your yacht of decadence distributing Mao’s little red book to the peasants in foreign ports…

    hahaha…

  • Anonymous

    my favorite:

    2. You preach about the evils of Capitalism from the comfort of your weekend hillside estate.

    And sail around the world in your yacht of decadence distributing Mao’s little red book to the peasants in foreign ports…

    hahaha…

  • Anonymous

    Big (Military) Government IS Big Business . Took 2 time Medal of Honor recipient Marine Gen. Smedley Butler 40 years to figure it out . Read his book , “War Is A Racket” . It’s a short , easy to read book by a guy that won the Medal of Honor twice , and stopped W’s grandaddy and his Wall Street buddies from taking out FDR . Check out Smedley . He found out the hard way that the Free Market ain’t free . It’s all about the Gun’s and the Money .

  • Jaimie11

    Sunglasses and gloves – love it!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_PZPpWTRTU Bamboo_Harvester

    I nominate Julian Assange for the Nobel Prize !

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan
  • Anonymous

    It’s enough to almost make you feel sorry for the French. They were overrun and crushed by fascists to their east. Now it’s happening again by fascists to west.

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    Believe me if that were my job I would quit. I wouldn’t need you to get me fired.

  • Jaimie11

    I know you’re trying to be helpful, but if you want to tell everyone about how we are infiltrated, and god knows this bunch is hardly what you would call cohesive, why not just tell us without the fear thing going ding dong ding. Most of us were around for the 60s and not all of us left with little red books – we survived.

    Now, what can we do, in your opinion, to be more effective spreading the word to the narcoleptics in front of the national TV? There is a REAL crime story full of murders and intrigues, spying and dying, called their government – how do we wake them up to it? Tell us that but without the fear added.

  • hounddogg
  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    Make money, get married, and hope to survive the chaos.

    If you want to be an active freedom fighter I wouldn’t be in a position to tell you how to do it. (But I know you’d need paramilitary training, and other specialized revolutionary training)

    Every freedom fighter I’ve ever known either dies or ends up in prison sooner rather than later. (You have to be prepared to die, or even want to die in a specific fashion)

    It’s not a hopeless situation depending on what you hope to gain from it. Economically speaking it is hopeless (If you expect to make your way without any violence up against mafia thugs and blackwater mercenaries).

    I don’t think most people are getting rich right now as the elite establishment have the economy completely locked down. What we are doing right now is surviving, trying to make ends meet, make enough money to retire or buy a house someday, maybe be successful and achieve career goals.

    Politics only concern me when it’s a direct obstruction to one of my goals. Then I do what I can, and what I can is not to be discussed. Silent action is better than stentorian provocation that I see from rebel types.

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    Keep your mouth shut, your eyes and ears open, keep secrets, and make money.

    If you are a stentorian agitator like Julian Assange you will get attention, but that attention is exactly what causes future obstruction and what generates enemies who make achieving you goals difficult. So I advocate silent action, furtive action if you choose to take action at all, and I only advocate taking action when it directly affects your life.

  • Anonymous

    Why did I just know that Monsanto would have a hand in this. We have become a government by, for and of the corporations in every aspect of our lives to the detriment of our society.

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    Obey the laws, work, make as much money as you can, save to your retirement and try to rise above politics.

    Politics and political disputes COST money and COST business, they don’t make money. (unless you are a professional revolutionary or mercenary)

    Money is made through cooperation, alliances, allegiances, not through civil war and civil unrest.

    Base your politics around what makes you the most money, and then defend your turf. Which politicians policies will result in you losing your job?

    As far as revolution goes, I’m not getting involved in that unless I have no alternative. Life is hard enough, and if I want a life at least as good as my parents had it, I’d be wise to stay away from anything which results in prison sentences, because thats ultimately what you have to be prepared for when you play the game that way, whether they get you on tax evasion or something else, you will be going to prison.

    If you are prepared to face the consequences, then there is no limit to what you can do. Only your physical body limits what you can physically do. Most importantly you have to be willing to die for the profession of revolutionary. Most of the people who talk about wanting to be part of a revolution when the time comes are cowards and wont be willing to take a bullet for the revolution. Not only must you be willing to take or give a bullet, but you have to expect that you’ll take a bullet and merely hope to give more bullets than you take.

    It’s not a lifestyle I want. If you want to go that path be aware that it’s a dead end for most of the people who accept that mission in life. Just like being in the mafia or being a gangster is usually considered to be a dead end, the life of a revolutionary is exactly the same. You also can’t trust anybody, you will almost certainly die alone, you’d have to be willing to give up every dream or goal in life beyond winning the war.


    It’s the life of a terrorist. Death is almost certain to come from govt, it’s only a matter of when and how. Which explains why most of them blow themselves up.

    Now if you want to enjoy your life and be happy, and try to have a normal life where you don’t have to kill and risk being killed on a daily basis, then you won’t choose the revolutionary/terrorist profession.

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    Why are you obsessed with Israel? We are talking about the US government not Israel.

  • Anonymous

    Not just society, the entire species is fated to perversion via genetic ‘frankenfoods’.

  • Anonymous

    Not just society, the entire species is fated to perversion via genetic ‘frankenfoods’.

  • Anonymous

    “Researchers at the University of Arkansas found in August that canola, a modified rapeseed used mainly for oil, had managed to sustain itself in the wilds of North Dakota. Up to 80 percent of the plants they tested had genes that were modified to resist herbicide. It was the first time modified crops had been discovered growing in the wild, the BBC noted.”

    I call BS. Monsanto genes were found in wild stands of ancient corn in Mexico not too long after it was released to the market. Once they’d incorporated the genes those ancient native corn became GM corn.

  • Anonymous

    “Researchers at the University of Arkansas found in August that canola, a modified rapeseed used mainly for oil, had managed to sustain itself in the wilds of North Dakota. Up to 80 percent of the plants they tested had genes that were modified to resist herbicide. It was the first time modified crops had been discovered growing in the wild, the BBC noted.”

    I call BS. Monsanto genes were found in wild stands of ancient corn in Mexico not too long after it was released to the market. Once they’d incorporated the genes those ancient native corn became GM corn.

  • Jaimie11

    So you ARE saying just give up, but you have some criteria that will force you to take action. Well, what is that, what is that “no alternative”?

    I do obey the law. But the government doesn’t and I have a right to object to law-breaking no matter who does it and especially when the law breaker is doing so much harm to life on this planet.

    And as for bullets – are they going to mow us all down when we join the protesters at the White House, for instance? If you have children, I don’t understand how you would allow the government to know more about them than you do. That is so creepy, and so wrong.

  • Jaimie11

    So you ARE saying just give up, but you have some criteria that will force you to take action. Well, what is that, what is that “no alternative”?

    I do obey the law. But the government doesn’t and I have a right to object to law-breaking no matter who does it and especially when the law breaker is doing so much harm to life on this planet.

    And as for bullets – are they going to mow us all down when we join the protesters at the White House, for instance? If you have children, I don’t understand how you would allow the government to know more about them than you do. That is so creepy, and so wrong.

  • http://www.leosigh.com Leo Sigh

    And Americans wonder why they are now the most hated nationality and America is the most hated country in the world. Bullies on the block that will do anything illegal to get what they want.

    My temporary boycott of US products over Julian Assange just became permanent and I’m explaining to all my friends and students why they shouldn’t be buying American products either. So far, five friends have stopped going to Starbucks, KFC and Au Bon Pain – small victories but from small victories wars are won.

    With all the bullying it does, America deserves its economy to crash and burn. I’m praying for it. And for all you Americans who actually care about living in a free and moral country – America ain’t it. Get out while you can. The rest of the world is lovely.

  • http://www.leosigh.com Leo Sigh

    And Americans wonder why they are now the most hated nationality and America is the most hated country in the world. Bullies on the block that will do anything illegal to get what they want.

    My temporary boycott of US products over Julian Assange just became permanent and I’m explaining to all my friends and students why they shouldn’t be buying American products either. So far, five friends have stopped going to Starbucks, KFC and Au Bon Pain – small victories but from small victories wars are won.

    With all the bullying it does, America deserves its economy to crash and burn. I’m praying for it. And for all you Americans who actually care about living in a free and moral country – America ain’t it. Get out while you can. The rest of the world is lovely.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe the main purpose of the US military really is just to make the world safe for US Capitalism.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe the main purpose of the US military really is just to make the world safe for US Capitalism.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe the main purpose of the US military really is just to make the world safe for US Capitalism.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001767244953 Keegan King

    No wonder we are hated so much abroad, we hurt and bully our allies just to accept our backwards way of life. GE foods are a way to make even fruits and vegetables somehow put us in the doctors office. This country is rather sickening and its no wonder we have terrorists attacking us left and right. I don’t blame them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001767244953 Keegan King

    No wonder we are hated so much abroad, we hurt and bully our allies just to accept our backwards way of life. GE foods are a way to make even fruits and vegetables somehow put us in the doctors office. This country is rather sickening and its no wonder we have terrorists attacking us left and right. I don’t blame them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001767244953 Keegan King

    No wonder we are hated so much abroad, we hurt and bully our allies just to accept our backwards way of life. GE foods are a way to make even fruits and vegetables somehow put us in the doctors office. This country is rather sickening and its no wonder we have terrorists attacking us left and right. I don’t blame them.

  • Anonymous

    Scalia was counsel for Monsanto. No hope there.

  • Anonymous

    Scalia was counsel for Monsanto. No hope there.

  • Anonymous

    Scalia was counsel for Monsanto. No hope there.

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    I’m not going to advocate terrorism or subversion. What I can do is present realistic options by illustrating the two paths using my creative writing capabilities.

    You go the path of the civilian and you might be able to live 65-70 years, life might be very difficult but you’ll get to have a life. You might get to have a partner, you might get to have children, experience the love, and live in that whole illusion very much like the blue pill from the Matrix.

    And then you have the other path. The path of the revolutionary. If you take the red pill you can never have a normal life. Your function in life is to fight and nothing more. You don’t have friends only comrades. You don’t get to love anyone. You don’t get to have a family. You have to dedicate 100 percent of yourself to winning the war, your entire body, your entire mind/soul, even if it means your body and mind get destroyed to accomplish mission objectives.

    In fact it will consume and destroy anybody. It means you’ll have to accept that govt can threaten each and every person you loved in that previous life and you’ll have to accept that they’ll be killed for the cause. Nothing would come before the mission, not love, not family, not friendship, not your own life or their lives. When you are like that then you are a revolutionary.

    The problem with being a revolutionary is the lifestyle completely sucks in my opinion. I cannot imagine why anybody would volunteer for that shitty life. Life is hard enough as a civilian but as a revolutionary it just gets harder and harder, scarier and scarier, more and more alone, until the enemy kills you or you win. So it’s literally a complete dedication of your existence to winning the war.

    I’m not trying to destroy what future I might have to do that. I do have some dreams, goals, and I’m not suicidal. I like life, and would like to experience life outside of prison, and would like to have a life that gets progressively better over the decades rather than progressively worse.

    Most importantly I have people I care about who I would not want to have die because I decide I want to fight. I’m not willing to get everybody I care about killed. So I cannot be a revolutionary so easily. But also I don’t think it’s a good idea for Americans to be revolutionaries, if a revolution were to ever happen I would expect Ameicans to outsource the job to professionals from foreign countries like Mexico.

    I’d expect the drug cartels and foreign intelligence agencies to launch the revolution if there were going to be one. They’d send in professionals who are trained in how to kill without getting caught, who wouldn’t have names, false passports, false identities, these people would become whoever they have to become to accomplish their mission and then go back across the border.

    An American would have to join the CIA and be trained but then they’d be sent to South America where they’d be professional revolutionaries with the false passports and fake identity.

    The point is that kind of training is not something ordinary civilians can just decide to have by deciding after 20-30 years that they want to be a mercenary. That is something people are trained for from teenage or from childhood years all the way to adulthood. They get taught how to use all sorts of weapons by intelligence agencies who select them. They get taught how to infiltrate, how to kill, and they progressively conduct covert ops until they get an important mission.

    You can’t just decide you want to go from a suburban adult to a mercenary with no training. So honestly there is nothing I can do to fight a revolution. I’d get killed. You’d get killed. The people who are trained probably already are fighting on both sides. We can just hope to survive it.

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    I’m not going to advocate terrorism or subversion. What I can do is present realistic options by illustrating the two paths using my creative writing capabilities.

    You go the path of the civilian and you might be able to live 65-70 years, life might be very difficult but you’ll get to have a life. You might get to have a partner, you might get to have children, experience the love, and live in that whole illusion very much like the blue pill from the Matrix.

    And then you have the other path. The path of the revolutionary. If you take the red pill you can never have a normal life. Your function in life is to fight and nothing more. You don’t have friends only comrades. You don’t get to love anyone. You don’t get to have a family. You have to dedicate 100 percent of yourself to winning the war, your entire body, your entire mind/soul, even if it means your body and mind get destroyed to accomplish mission objectives.

    In fact it will consume and destroy anybody. It means you’ll have to accept that govt can threaten each and every person you loved in that previous life and you’ll have to accept that they’ll be killed for the cause. Nothing would come before the mission, not love, not family, not friendship, not your own life or their lives. When you are like that then you are a revolutionary.

    The problem with being a revolutionary is the lifestyle completely sucks in my opinion. I cannot imagine why anybody would volunteer for that shitty life. Life is hard enough as a civilian but as a revolutionary it just gets harder and harder, scarier and scarier, more and more alone, until the enemy kills you or you win. So it’s literally a complete dedication of your existence to winning the war.

    I’m not trying to destroy what future I might have to do that. I do have some dreams, goals, and I’m not suicidal. I like life, and would like to experience life outside of prison, and would like to have a life that gets progressively better over the decades rather than progressively worse.

    Most importantly I have people I care about who I would not want to have die because I decide I want to fight. I’m not willing to get everybody I care about killed. So I cannot be a revolutionary so easily. But also I don’t think it’s a good idea for Americans to be revolutionaries, if a revolution were to ever happen I would expect Ameicans to outsource the job to professionals from foreign countries like Mexico.

    I’d expect the drug cartels and foreign intelligence agencies to launch the revolution if there were going to be one. They’d send in professionals who are trained in how to kill without getting caught, who wouldn’t have names, false passports, false identities, these people would become whoever they have to become to accomplish their mission and then go back across the border.

    An American would have to join the CIA and be trained but then they’d be sent to South America where they’d be professional revolutionaries with the false passports and fake identity.

    The point is that kind of training is not something ordinary civilians can just decide to have by deciding after 20-30 years that they want to be a mercenary. That is something people are trained for from teenage or from childhood years all the way to adulthood. They get taught how to use all sorts of weapons by intelligence agencies who select them. They get taught how to infiltrate, how to kill, and they progressively conduct covert ops until they get an important mission.

    You can’t just decide you want to go from a suburban adult to a mercenary with no training. So honestly there is nothing I can do to fight a revolution. I’d get killed. You’d get killed. The people who are trained probably already are fighting on both sides. We can just hope to survive it.

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    I’m not going to advocate terrorism or subversion. What I can do is present realistic options by illustrating the two paths using my creative writing capabilities.

    You go the path of the civilian and you might be able to live 65-70 years, life might be very difficult but you’ll get to have a life. You might get to have a partner, you might get to have children, experience the love, and live in that whole illusion very much like the blue pill from the Matrix.

    And then you have the other path. The path of the revolutionary. If you take the red pill you can never have a normal life. Your function in life is to fight and nothing more. You don’t have friends only comrades. You don’t get to love anyone. You don’t get to have a family. You have to dedicate 100 percent of yourself to winning the war, your entire body, your entire mind/soul, even if it means your body and mind get destroyed to accomplish mission objectives.

    In fact it will consume and destroy anybody. It means you’ll have to accept that govt can threaten each and every person you loved in that previous life and you’ll have to accept that they’ll be killed for the cause. Nothing would come before the mission, not love, not family, not friendship, not your own life or their lives. When you are like that then you are a revolutionary.

    The problem with being a revolutionary is the lifestyle completely sucks in my opinion. I cannot imagine why anybody would volunteer for that shitty life. Life is hard enough as a civilian but as a revolutionary it just gets harder and harder, scarier and scarier, more and more alone, until the enemy kills you or you win. So it’s literally a complete dedication of your existence to winning the war.

    I’m not trying to destroy what future I might have to do that. I do have some dreams, goals, and I’m not suicidal. I like life, and would like to experience life outside of prison, and would like to have a life that gets progressively better over the decades rather than progressively worse.

    Most importantly I have people I care about who I would not want to have die because I decide I want to fight. I’m not willing to get everybody I care about killed. So I cannot be a revolutionary so easily. But also I don’t think it’s a good idea for Americans to be revolutionaries, if a revolution were to ever happen I would expect Ameicans to outsource the job to professionals from foreign countries like Mexico.

    I’d expect the drug cartels and foreign intelligence agencies to launch the revolution if there were going to be one. They’d send in professionals who are trained in how to kill without getting caught, who wouldn’t have names, false passports, false identities, these people would become whoever they have to become to accomplish their mission and then go back across the border.

    An American would have to join the CIA and be trained but then they’d be sent to South America where they’d be professional revolutionaries with the false passports and fake identity.

    The point is that kind of training is not something ordinary civilians can just decide to have by deciding after 20-30 years that they want to be a mercenary. That is something people are trained for from teenage or from childhood years all the way to adulthood. They get taught how to use all sorts of weapons by intelligence agencies who select them. They get taught how to infiltrate, how to kill, and they progressively conduct covert ops until they get an important mission.

    You can’t just decide you want to go from a suburban adult to a mercenary with no training. So honestly there is nothing I can do to fight a revolution. I’d get killed. You’d get killed. The people who are trained probably already are fighting on both sides. We can just hope to survive it.

  • Anonymous

    Thomas too.
    Thomas helped Monsanto get the right to patent seeds, he will refuse to recuse himself with cases involving Monsanto. What a putz.

  • Anonymous

    Thomas too.
    Thomas helped Monsanto get the right to patent seeds, he will refuse to recuse himself with cases involving Monsanto. What a putz.

  • Anonymous

    Thomas too.
    Thomas helped Monsanto get the right to patent seeds, he will refuse to recuse himself with cases involving Monsanto. What a putz.

  • hounddogg

    proof of concept dickwad…

  • hounddogg

    proof of concept dickwad…

  • hounddogg

    proof of concept dickwad…

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    The concept that you are in love with Israel?

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    The concept that you are in love with Israel?

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    The concept that you are in love with Israel?

  • Mr. Neutron

    Weren’t people saying recently that the WikiLeaks cables showed us nothing we didn’t already know?

    http://213.251.145.96/cablegate.html
    Currently released so far… 1824 / 251,287

    There’s going to be a lot of interesting stories coming out in the months ahead.

    The document would appear to expose a high-ranking US official advocating a selective leak of otherwise confidential information to achieve a European political objective on behalf of US private industry.
    Good idea – leaking information to achieve political objectives.

    Too bad there aren’t any more senior whistleblowers, a present-day Daniel Ellsberg, who could release Top Secret cables – Secret, Confidential and Unclassified only give a glimpse of the corruption behind the World’s Policeman.

  • Mr. Neutron

    Weren’t people saying recently that the WikiLeaks cables showed us nothing we didn’t already know?

    http://213.251.145.96/cablegate.html
    Currently released so far… 1824 / 251,287

    There’s going to be a lot of interesting stories coming out in the months ahead.

    The document would appear to expose a high-ranking US official advocating a selective leak of otherwise confidential information to achieve a European political objective on behalf of US private industry.
    Good idea – leaking information to achieve political objectives.

    Too bad there aren’t any more senior whistleblowers, a present-day Daniel Ellsberg, who could release Top Secret cables – Secret, Confidential and Unclassified only give a glimpse of the corruption behind the World’s Policeman.

  • Mr. Neutron

    Weren’t people saying recently that the WikiLeaks cables showed us nothing we didn’t already know?

    http://213.251.145.96/cablegate.html
    Currently released so far… 1824 / 251,287

    There’s going to be a lot of interesting stories coming out in the months ahead.

    The document would appear to expose a high-ranking US official advocating a selective leak of otherwise confidential information to achieve a European political objective on behalf of US private industry.
    Good idea – leaking information to achieve political objectives.

    Too bad there aren’t any more senior whistleblowers, a present-day Daniel Ellsberg, who could release Top Secret cables – Secret, Confidential and Unclassified only give a glimpse of the corruption behind the World’s Policeman.

  • Anonymous

    The concept that you are a dickwad.

  • Anonymous

    The concept that you are a dickwad.

  • Anonymous

    The concept that you are a dickwad.

  • Mr. Neutron

    Listen to me – you gotta tell ‘em. Soylent Green is PEOPLE!! We’ve got to stop them — SOMEHOW!!!

  • Mr. Neutron

    Listen to me – you gotta tell ‘em. Soylent Green is PEOPLE!! We’ve got to stop them — SOMEHOW!!!

  • Mr. Neutron

    Listen to me – you gotta tell ‘em. Soylent Green is PEOPLE!! We’ve got to stop them — SOMEHOW!!!

  • Jaimie11

    I don’t believe that is the only alternative to not doing anything. It sounds like a dramatization, a book you could write. You are a writer? Author of a book titled That Boston Man?

    I hope when the time comes, if it comes, you will help those you meet who may need your help, just as people risked their lives to help Jews or members of the underground in earlier times.

    Anyway, I appreciate your trying to warn us of the dangers. I wouldn’t be surprised if many people here already know about them. I do. It’s on people’s minds, no doubt.

  • Jaimie11

    I don’t believe that is the only alternative to not doing anything. It sounds like a dramatization, a book you could write. You are a writer? Author of a book titled That Boston Man?

    I hope when the time comes, if it comes, you will help those you meet who may need your help, just as people risked their lives to help Jews or members of the underground in earlier times.

    Anyway, I appreciate your trying to warn us of the dangers. I wouldn’t be surprised if many people here already know about them. I do. It’s on people’s minds, no doubt.

  • Jaimie11

    I don’t believe that is the only alternative to not doing anything. It sounds like a dramatization, a book you could write. You are a writer? Author of a book titled That Boston Man?

    I hope when the time comes, if it comes, you will help those you meet who may need your help, just as people risked their lives to help Jews or members of the underground in earlier times.

    Anyway, I appreciate your trying to warn us of the dangers. I wouldn’t be surprised if many people here already know about them. I do. It’s on people’s minds, no doubt.

  • Jaimie11

    I don’t believe that is the only alternative to not doing anything. It sounds like a dramatization, a book you could write. You are a writer? Author of a book titled That Boston Man?

    I hope when the time comes, if it comes, you will help those you meet who may need your help, just as people risked their lives to help Jews or members of the underground in earlier times.

    Anyway, I appreciate your trying to warn us of the dangers. I wouldn’t be surprised if many people here already know about them. I do. It’s on people’s minds, no doubt.

  • http://twitter.com/MiddleAmericaMS MiddleAmericaMS

    That sounds like what Republicans pass-off for diplomacy.

  • http://twitter.com/MiddleAmericaMS MiddleAmericaMS

    That sounds like what Republicans pass-off for diplomacy.

  • http://twitter.com/MiddleAmericaMS MiddleAmericaMS

    That sounds like what Republicans pass-off for diplomacy.

  • http://twitter.com/MiddleAmericaMS MiddleAmericaMS

    That sounds like what Republicans pass-off for diplomacy.

  • Anonymous

    And that boys and girls is WHY we need groups like Wikileaks. Because behind the scenes, our bastard politicians are simply not working on behalf of the public interest.

  • Anonymous

    And that boys and girls is WHY we need groups like Wikileaks. Because behind the scenes, our bastard politicians are simply not working on behalf of the public interest.

  • Guest

    can’t wait till the worlds food staple supply goes the way of the gros michel
    look it up.

  • Guest

    can’t wait till the worlds food staple supply goes the way of the gros michel
    look it up.

  • Guest

    can’t wait till the worlds food staple supply goes the way of the gros michel
    look it up.

  • Guest

    can’t wait till the worlds food staple supply goes the way of the gros michel
    look it up.

  • http://deadlinelive.info/2010/12/20/us-threatened-%e2%80%98retaliation%e2%80%99-to-bully-eu-into-accepting-biotech-crops-cable-shows/ US threatened ‘retaliation’ to bully EU into accepting biotech crops, cable shows : Deadline Live With Jack Blood

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  • Anonymous

    “Science Based?” Since when is the U. S. concerned with Science? Climate Change, anyone? Time to end Monsanto and their ilk. Time to end the thuggery of the monopoly on growing food.

  • Anonymous

    “Science Based?” Since when is the U. S. concerned with Science? Climate Change, anyone? Time to end Monsanto and their ilk. Time to end the thuggery of the monopoly on growing food.

  • Anonymous

    “Science Based?” Since when is the U. S. concerned with Science? Climate Change, anyone? Time to end Monsanto and their ilk. Time to end the thuggery of the monopoly on growing food.

  • Anonymous

    “Science Based?” Since when is the U. S. concerned with Science? Climate Change, anyone? Time to end Monsanto and their ilk. Time to end the thuggery of the monopoly on growing food.

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    The fact is I don’t have any paramilitary training. I don’t have any money to fund anything. I’m not a gang member. I’m a nobody.

    I’m saying for me the risk far outweighs the benefits. I’m saying if you get involved they’ll go after your loved ones. I’m not being dramatic. Just think about what the local mafia would do, and then think about a global mafia on steroids with billions or trillions of dollars in weaponry.

    If you are determined to do something, I honestly wouldn’t be the sort of person you could go to. There are militias, there are mafias, there are gangs, and if you join one of them they train you.

    Militias will teach you how to shoot guns and other military tactics. The mafia can teach you how to make tax free money. Gangs teach you about the lifestyle in general. But if you ask what can be done from a civilian perspective, I suppose you can be a journalist or cheer leader.

    You can be a writer. If you look at revolutions usually there are people who just document what goes on and tell the story. I suppose that would be what I’d do, just hope to survive it and write a book about the situation for history.

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    The fact is I don’t have any paramilitary training. I don’t have any money to fund anything. I’m not a gang member. I’m a nobody.

    I’m saying for me the risk far outweighs the benefits. I’m saying if you get involved they’ll go after your loved ones. I’m not being dramatic. Just think about what the local mafia would do, and then think about a global mafia on steroids with billions or trillions of dollars in weaponry.

    If you are determined to do something, I honestly wouldn’t be the sort of person you could go to. There are militias, there are mafias, there are gangs, and if you join one of them they train you.

    Militias will teach you how to shoot guns and other military tactics. The mafia can teach you how to make tax free money. Gangs teach you about the lifestyle in general. But if you ask what can be done from a civilian perspective, I suppose you can be a journalist or cheer leader.

    You can be a writer. If you look at revolutions usually there are people who just document what goes on and tell the story. I suppose that would be what I’d do, just hope to survive it and write a book about the situation for history.

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    The fact is I don’t have any paramilitary training. I don’t have any money to fund anything. I’m not a gang member. I’m a nobody.

    I’m saying for me the risk far outweighs the benefits. I’m saying if you get involved they’ll go after your loved ones. I’m not being dramatic. Just think about what the local mafia would do, and then think about a global mafia on steroids with billions or trillions of dollars in weaponry.

    If you are determined to do something, I honestly wouldn’t be the sort of person you could go to. There are militias, there are mafias, there are gangs, and if you join one of them they train you.

    Militias will teach you how to shoot guns and other military tactics. The mafia can teach you how to make tax free money. Gangs teach you about the lifestyle in general. But if you ask what can be done from a civilian perspective, I suppose you can be a journalist or cheer leader.

    You can be a writer. If you look at revolutions usually there are people who just document what goes on and tell the story. I suppose that would be what I’d do, just hope to survive it and write a book about the situation for history.

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan

    The fact is I don’t have any paramilitary training. I don’t have any money to fund anything. I’m not a gang member. I’m a nobody.

    I’m saying for me the risk far outweighs the benefits. I’m saying if you get involved they’ll go after your loved ones. I’m not being dramatic. Just think about what the local mafia would do, and then think about a global mafia on steroids with billions or trillions of dollars in weaponry.

    If you are determined to do something, I honestly wouldn’t be the sort of person you could go to. There are militias, there are mafias, there are gangs, and if you join one of them they train you.

    Militias will teach you how to shoot guns and other military tactics. The mafia can teach you how to make tax free money. Gangs teach you about the lifestyle in general. But if you ask what can be done from a civilian perspective, I suppose you can be a journalist or cheer leader.

    You can be a writer. If you look at revolutions usually there are people who just document what goes on and tell the story. I suppose that would be what I’d do, just hope to survive it and write a book about the situation for history.

  • Anonymous

    FASCISM!!!! It’s heeeeeeere. Does anyone have any doubt? Our govt and monsanto just one of the many examples. Represetative government has been gone longer then many think and may be gone forever.

  • Jeremiah’s Johnson

    “Why aren’t all the Free Marketeers screaming and hollering about government butting in on Free Market?”

    One would think so, but these companies have created a virtual monopoly on the market, strong-arming farmers to choose to grow their way or no way. Our government and SCOTUS are fully complicit with these companies. Indeed, they have intentionally allowed these monopolistic monsters to be created in the first place, and seem to be completely blinded by campaign contributions and lobbyists.

    The concentration of wealth and power in this country is spiraling out of control. There is more wealth and more power at stake than any time in history. It doesn’t look like it’s going to end well, as mankind has a very poor track record in this situation.

  • Anonymous

    These judges should be and can be impeached for violating Judicial Ethics. They are guilty each of them, for far more than the mere “appearance of impropriety” which is a ground for removal in itself.

  • Anonymous

    to the detriment of human life.

  • Anonymous

    that’s because they see us as cattle.

  • hourglass1

    thanks MY MY and NeoConHater – i didn’t know about scabia or uncle tom and monsanto … there sure are a lot of players … fixing the food supply is one effective way to get rid of or silence mouths that need feeding …

    it is so past too late !!! understand that the war has been won by the oligarchy and their corporations that have stripped you of your rights and your ability to redress grievances. you will be labeled a ‘terrorist’ if you attempt to organize to govern as “we the people”. and europe, you are next.

    see how democrats only find their spine when they are going to stab you in the back, citizen? please understand that obama, a constitutional law scholar, has made no effort to restore even habeas corpus or comme positatus and has, in fact, codified the illegal activities of george and dick and their gang of war criminals and profiteers. this unholy coven of honourless filth instead are free to give their opinions on your airwaves and threaten with bodily harm those that dare expose their lies and misdeeds.

    do you hear “shared sacrifice” now? ah, and the linkage between your pension funds and social security insurance that you’ve already paid for? the wealthiest already got theirs and so now it’s your turn to ‘sacrifice’ or to bend over to get yours – or just sit there in front of yer tee vee and be impaled – either way they are coming after what is yours.

    happy holidays y’all – it’s cat food and all the trimmings soon …

  • hourglass1

    thanks MY MY and NeoConHater – i didn’t know about scabia or uncle tom and monsanto … there sure are a lot of players … fixing the food supply is one effective way to get rid of or silence mouths that need feeding …

    it is so past too late !!! understand that the war has been won by the oligarchy and their corporations that have stripped you of your rights and your ability to redress grievances. you will be labeled a ‘terrorist’ if you attempt to organize to govern as “we the people”. and europe, you are next.

    see how democrats only find their spine when they are going to stab you in the back, citizen? please understand that obama, a constitutional law scholar, has made no effort to restore even habeas corpus or comme positatus and has, in fact, codified the illegal activities of george and dick and their gang of war criminals and profiteers. this unholy coven of honourless filth instead are free to give their opinions on your airwaves and threaten with bodily harm those that dare expose their lies and misdeeds.

    do you hear “shared sacrifice” now? ah, and the linkage between your pension funds and social security insurance that you’ve already paid for? the wealthiest already got theirs and so now it’s your turn to ‘sacrifice’ or to bend over to get yours – or just sit there in front of yer tee vee and be impaled – either way they are coming after what is yours.

    happy holidays y’all – it’s cat food and all the trimmings soon …

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZDBCUTOR7XW24NTIF7XEHLJ34Q Oz

    ” farmers and biotech firms liable for pollen drift of their modified crops ”

    Since farming began seed has been saved for planting the following year. Since Monsanto patented seed for corn and soybeans with resistance to RoundUp they’ve sued farmers for infringement though those farmers never planted their seed or agreed to their exclusionary contract. Cross pollination was the method by which their seed bank was contaminated and became RoundUp resistant.

    Liability law stems from Merry Ole England where a judge ruled that if you bring upon your land something that gets away and harms your neighbor you are liable for the damage. Well, virtually every private seed bank has been contaminated with Monsanto’s gene, but our courts continue to rule in their favor.

    I say good for the French.

  • http://twitter.com/savagelight ThatBostonMan
  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QY7PTYSFRO7DJB4DEZIL5JE53Q jonfkessler

    Yes, things don’t look good. Authors like Chris Hedges say we’re in the equivalent of ’33 today. Well, if we act like democracy is over and done with, then it will be. Sure, dark times now, darker times looking like ahead, but remember, all fascist regimes (perhaps corporatist is a better term, less charged emotionally) have eventually collapsed. Nazi’s are gone, Argentine military, gone, in Chile Pinochet eventually died, etc. Johan Galtung is predicting the end of the US empire around about 2020. His book looks at the question, “and then what?”. In any case, these corporatist regimes all eventually collapse because they destroy the very regulation that provides balance – they can no longer stop themselves in their lust for ever more power and wealth. Eventually they devour themselves… We need to start thinking about what comes next and get to work – and note the article, it’s not using violence! The French activists destroying crops were being manipulated and their actions apparently were expected to be beneficial to Monsanto’s aims… Violence just plays into the hands of the corporatists! Don’t buy GMO foods, boycott Monsanto, start buying local vegetables etc… CSA’s, etc. lots’ of ways to resist.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QY7PTYSFRO7DJB4DEZIL5JE53Q jonfkessler

    Yes, things don’t look good. Authors like Chris Hedges say we’re in the equivalent of ’33 today. Well, if we act like democracy is over and done with, then it will be. Sure, dark times now, darker times looking like ahead, but remember, all fascist regimes (perhaps corporatist is a better term, less charged emotionally) have eventually collapsed. Nazi’s are gone, Argentine military, gone, in Chile Pinochet eventually died, etc. Johan Galtung is predicting the end of the US empire around about 2020. His book looks at the question, “and then what?”. In any case, these corporatist regimes all eventually collapse because they destroy the very regulation that provides balance – they can no longer stop themselves in their lust for ever more power and wealth. Eventually they devour themselves… We need to start thinking about what comes next and get to work – and note the article, it’s not using violence! The French activists destroying crops were being manipulated and their actions apparently were expected to be beneficial to Monsanto’s aims… Violence just plays into the hands of the corporatists! Don’t buy GMO foods, boycott Monsanto, start buying local vegetables etc… CSA’s, etc. lots’ of ways to resist.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QY7PTYSFRO7DJB4DEZIL5JE53Q jonfkessler

    Yes, things don’t look good. Authors like Chris Hedges say we’re in the equivalent of ’33 today. Well, if we act like democracy is over and done with, then it will be. Sure, dark times now, darker times looking like ahead, but remember, all fascist regimes (perhaps corporatist is a better term, less charged emotionally) have eventually collapsed. Nazi’s are gone, Argentine military, gone, in Chile Pinochet eventually died, etc. Johan Galtung is predicting the end of the US empire around about 2020. His book looks at the question, “and then what?”. In any case, these corporatist regimes all eventually collapse because they destroy the very regulation that provides balance – they can no longer stop themselves in their lust for ever more power and wealth. Eventually they devour themselves… We need to start thinking about what comes next and get to work – and note the article, it’s not using violence! The French activists destroying crops were being manipulated and their actions apparently were expected to be beneficial to Monsanto’s aims… Violence just plays into the hands of the corporatists! Don’t buy GMO foods, boycott Monsanto, start buying local vegetables etc… CSA’s, etc. lots’ of ways to resist.

  • Anonymous

    Michael Taylor, former Monsanto Vice President, is now the FDA Deputy Commissioner for Foods appointed by Obama.

  • Anonymous

    now there’s an unholy trio, government, corporations, and blackwater

    and the government tells us the world hates us because of our freedom

    thank you WL

    i’m so very sorry to the rest of the world for the feeding frenzy that the u$ corporations and politicians have been doing to you

  • Anonymous

    Terminator Seed technology is a corporate weapon of the NWO in a war against the world population. This weapon does not discriminate. Our best weapon against these corporate behemoths is for people in the West is to stop consuming. If we could get millions to change their spending habits and to even Fast, we could send all corporate SOB’s a strong message.

  • Anonymous

    if humans alter things it end up being not good for humans in the long runit may take 10 ,20 or even a 100 years .but it will not be good…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1046573071 Matt Mosley

    “Retaliate”? what could the U.S possibly do? seriously, can someone answer this for me? would the U.S attack the E.U? :-)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1046573071 Matt Mosley

    “Retaliate”? what could the U.S possibly do? seriously, can someone answer this for me? would the U.S attack the E.U? :-)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1046573071 Matt Mosley

    “Retaliate”? what could the U.S possibly do? seriously, can someone answer this for me? would the U.S attack the E.U? :-)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1046573071 Matt Mosley

    “Retaliate”? what could the U.S possibly do? seriously, can someone answer this for me? would the U.S attack the E.U? :-)

  • Rocky Racoon

    When there is martial law, which will have to be declared especially when the wars are over and all of those trained soldiers are over here who fought for our freedom, are left unemployed with nothing to do, they will either become security for the state and Nazi Brownshirts or they will become defenders of their family and friends. Violence arises in revolutions because the ruling class is unwilling to give up it’s unearned unjust generally illegally gained power…None of the social institutions in the United States are legitimate. The Banksters-they are all crooks at least the ones at the top on Wall Street, the Justice System…ha that is a joke….instead of arresting all of these clowns for insider trading and consumer fraud and under the RICO statutes-they were all in on the scam from the regulators to the rating agencies…crooked! The mort ( death) gages ( warrant) sold at sub-prime and packaged as AAA securities that is in the trillions of dollars a black hole we haven’t even begun to see the consequences of. Even if you passed legislation according to all the rules of the game they would not comply…they would use the courts or whatever and they WILL USE VIOLENCE. So what are you supposed to do sit on the fence and think you can just take a pass on this course of action because it doesn’t appeal to your sensibilities like you were in a cafeteria and can pick and choose what your are or aren’t going to eat? You are going to end up in prison or in a work camp anyway so you may as well choose what side of the barricade you are going to be on when the lead starts to fly. People want peace, love security, fullfillment, in a society where EVERRYTHING is considered a commodity your body organs, your sex organs, your brains, to be exploited and turned into capital or it’s valuation u do not have many options. If I had lot’s of money I would do two things right now….One, try to get all the alternative press into a cooperative working under one roof so to speak. All the unions, one big union never mind this sectorialism and economism that the unions have been forced into by the state apparatus the violent state apparatus I might add, I would do the same with cooperatives, of all stripes, And I would have commitees of all kinds with all of that unemployed talent working cooperatively together u would be surprised how fast you surpass current levels of production we could have full employment and a 20 hours work week no loss in pay as output is so high. As the old society crumbles these new organizations which are all democratic and have principles and constitutions….well they could become even more so. No groups should be tied to any political party but be independent and your own organizations would evenually serve as the government in the new society…that is the transitional program more or less. Second thing I would do is to build myself a self sufficient hideaway in the safest part of the world in case of climate change or nuclear war and and do all the survival gear stuff…just in case it starts to rain for forty day and forty nights…most people with money in this society are only doing the latter-other than Sean Penn that is…historically the actors have been left. The few that are to the right get into politics and screw everything up as all they are doing is playing the part taking directions from psychopaths like Dick Cheney and Rumsfield. Those fellas have been in Washington all their lives and in the Whitehouse too. Tell me they couldn’t pull off a 9/11? They have been doing crap like that all over the world for the past 50 years big time. As George asked Tony, “do you think the people will need some sort of event to get them to support a war in Iraq” I mean George is telegraphing his confession to the world. He has to, he has that guilt thing going of never being good enough and he is always forgiven everything and it’s ok son his papa tells him you did a good job…or maybe you just weren’t cut out for this one…Ha. A hollywood director couldn’t have scripted better characters then those that went into this play. PS I would probably never make it to the safehouse but….the new civilization needs to start somewhere because if we do not do the things I said I would do if I had lots of money to influence things. I could start right now actually start writing to democracy now and alternet and all of these competing orgs and get them to form an alliance or union or something…have the bare bones structure started….organize organize organize…that is what is going to solve these problems old fashioned organize.
    RR

  • Rocky Racoon

    When you go out to a demostration and you are 50,000 strong you will not feel so powerless or alone, that is why it is good for everyone to go to demonstrations to get the solidarity brewing. It is a good feeling to know you are out there with others just like you fighting for the same cause- social justice.

  • Anonymous

    TBM scribbled “So I advocate silent action”

    Then STFU.

  • Anonymous

    TBM scribbled “So I advocate silent action”

    Then STFU.

  • Anonymous

    TBM scribbled “So I advocate silent action”

    Then STFU.

  • Anonymous

    Monsantos is like a giant python that is devouring human agriculture and diversity. They are an industry ready to extract profit from the smallest grain.
    This snake needs beheading!

  • RichWa

    “Why aren’t all the Free Marketeers screaming and hollering about government butting in on Free Market.”

    What free market? Have you ever looked at the subsidizes, tax breaks, etc that government gives to multinational corporations (and not small family owned businesses?) In a free market, the market drives the price — in our market subsidizes, tax breaks, unpaid for environmental destruction, and lies drive the price.

  • Anonymous

    The Anti American Racist,Nazi, Terrorist SUPPORTING right wing and its equally corrupt Hate and Fear mongering christian right do fear loss of control. One must remember since World War II ended America was up until around 1976-1980, the leader in the Freee World. All the little minions who were DISPISED,HATED, and TOLERATED by the American SCUM and TRASH called republicans the hating and Fear Mongers of the World the Engineers of 9-11.
    Sorry I digress, look since the 1960s’ the EDUCATED of the Third World have been screaming about the DICTORIAL OPPRESSION of the WORLD BANK and other simular Organizations rememeber the WAR CRIMMINAL bush DID NOT , talk to the AMERICAN PEOPLE until he spoke with the G-8 and the World Bank, after being reassured of what was going on and being told what to say (remember this was a National crisis with International ramifications), he then addressed the American people. Now since the EU has gotten into Serious and Heavy discussions about one currency for the Europeans, this sent chills down the spine of the COWARDS known as republican Hate and Fear Mongers, hell most of the Countries have repaid their debts and this Locked out the Pieces of SH*T known as the Bankers and Investment Bankers (anyone seeing the pattern) now the only thing the Racist Nazi, Terrorist supporters have left is FEAR and HATRED aaww through in a little National patriotism (hell Americans aren’t the brightest or smartest in this area they question nothing and believe everything), So this brings us to why the racist<Nazi,TERRORIST supporting right wing is in their usual I am so SCARED mode, they have NO,NO,NO control over the markets and even the markets they have control over and it has been proven that they are IDIOTS and used high handed and underhanded methods these WIMPS cry foul and use MISDIRECTION and the Terrorist Attack card to the hilt. No, the nazi<Racist, Terrorist supporting republican and Brain Dead tea baggers have a lot to be afraid of and that Fear is ACCOUNTABILITY, this is WHY they want Assange shut down and they wanta END to Net NEUTRALITY, these are Haters of PEACE and FREEDOM. Watch who is calling for a end to the freedoms why is it so IMPORTANT that the Racist,Nazi, TERRORIST SUPPORTING, SCUM known as republicans HATE and FEAR the Freedoms that is offered to the EUROPEANS and their BUSINESSES.
    This is clearly about Contol and Accountability the two main things the Racist, Nazi Terrorist right wing supporters in America FEAR, if this is a lie or a delusion please check your past news accountabilities by the very TURDS of the TOILET BOWL that are in power now. Sorry folks I dispise the right wing so much and I am tired of their COWARDLY Back Stabbing approach of Faer and Hate and it being teisted as something normal.

  • Anonymous

    Here’s a clue. There never is or was such a thing as “free market” in reality. It is a euphemism for lawlessness and concentrated capital having its way. There are people behind that capital. They think for it! It doesn’t think for itself.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    Ahhh.. so, they hate us over there because we try to manipulate them into filling our coffers? Nah, can’t be.. must be they hate us because we have “freedom”.. would never be because we destroy their food supplies and say “well, if you just pay us we’ll protect [what we just destroyed]“.

    Thugs.. terrorists.. that’s what the American Corporations are, and they are using our Diplomats as their front men. …. I’m guessing this information will never see a line on Fox, and probably not much more than a slight mention on the other mainstream media. .. no wonder Time says Assange will be a “blip in history”, he knows they are all going to simply ignore the leaks to protect corporate profits at the expense of.. well.. everyone.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    Ahhh.. so, they hate us over there because we try to manipulate them into filling our coffers? Nah, can’t be.. must be they hate us because we have “freedom”.. would never be because we destroy their food supplies and say “well, if you just pay us we’ll protect [what we just destroyed]“.

    Thugs.. terrorists.. that’s what the American Corporations are, and they are using our Diplomats as their front men. …. I’m guessing this information will never see a line on Fox, and probably not much more than a slight mention on the other mainstream media. .. no wonder Time says Assange will be a “blip in history”, he knows they are all going to simply ignore the leaks to protect corporate profits at the expense of.. well.. everyone.

  • Anonymous

    Monsanto is the Fourth Reich

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QMPOO3PZFN7XV2XZKCGSXXR3WM Joe Somebody

    The tea-baggers are all for Free Market, as long as it is only Americans running that market. Supporting the wars and occupations around the world does nothing but ensure those countries allow American Corporations to influence governments and policies.

    If you want to know why terrorists hate us, you have to look no further than the fact that our military is an arm of our corporations and kills people around the world (by the millions) to make sure they submit to our corporate will.

  • http://twitter.com/orangem6 Jan Vranjek

    theres gona be alot of hatred for the American corporation, government and banks if the cables keep revealing such information… although, this once again is not something we did not realize, but having it in black and white does stir some hateful emotions towards America. I pity its population with all my heart.

  • http://twitter.com/orangem6 Jan Vranjek

    theres gona be alot of hatred for the American corporation, government and banks if the cables keep revealing such information… although, this once again is not something we did not realize, but having it in black and white does stir some hateful emotions towards America. I pity its population with all my heart.

  • Anonymous

    What was ever wrong with swallowing one’s own Medecine?

    Unless it just turned out to be SnakeOil?

  • Anonymous

    I admire your conviction

  • Anonymous

    America having such a voracious appetite for everything then the certain cure would be to eat it’s own tail

  • Anonymous

    I’ll Vote for Ya.

  • jimbo92107

    What clearer evidence that corporations control our government? That and the bogus “Net Neutrality” bill is conclusive proof.

    America, Inc.

  • Anonymous

    The handwriting is on the wall… The imperialist collapse of United States & its English speaking NATIONS* of GOG & MAGOG fast running out of moral worth – bankrupt towards what is righteous will see its economies destroyed by a HAND* far superior to human hands yet at the hands of its enemies as did other world civilizations…

    Between 1776-1788, social historian & seer Sir Edward Gibbons published a huge 6 volume work entitled:- The History Of The Decline And Fall Of The Roman Empire…

    Gibbons listed [5] basic reasons why the monolithic Roman Empire was ultimately destroyed:

    1.The dramatic increase of divorce undermined the institution of the family…

    2.The imposition of higher taxes undermined the economic stability and vitality of the Empire. Taxes were raised to pay for deficit government spending, to pay for FOOD MANIPULATION for all in society and to pay for government-sponsored activities of diversion, such as circuses and sports. Interestingly, as the time of the final collapse drew closer, greater emphasis was placed on sports, to divert the attention of the public from the distressing news of massive trouble within the Empire.

    3.The drive for personal pleasure had become very intense, even to the point of obsession. Gibbons noted that, at the very end, sports had become more exciting and brutal.

    4. People lost their faith, both religiously and in their government. Paganism gave way to Christianity and the efficient Roman Government gave way to chaos and disintegration.

    5. Hidden conspirators were working within the government to secretly destroy it. They worked quietly, invisibly and deceitfully; during the entire time they were secretly dismantling the government of the Roman Empire, they publicly proclaimed their unswerving support of it.

    DOES ANY OF THE FACTORS CITED IN ANY OF THESE 5 POINTS PORTEND VIVIDLY TO POSTMODERN WESTERN SOCIETY TODAY?

    You decide!!!

  • Anonymous

    The handwriting is on the wall… The imperialist collapse of United States & its English speaking NATIONS* of GOG & MAGOG fast running out of moral worth – bankrupt towards what is righteous will see its economies destroyed by a HAND* far superior to human hands yet at the hands of its enemies as did other world civilizations…

    Between 1776-1788, social historian & seer Sir Edward Gibbons published a huge 6 volume work entitled:- The History Of The Decline And Fall Of The Roman Empire…

    Gibbons listed [5] basic reasons why the monolithic Roman Empire was ultimately destroyed:

    1.The dramatic increase of divorce undermined the institution of the family…

    2.The imposition of higher taxes undermined the economic stability and vitality of the Empire. Taxes were raised to pay for deficit government spending, to pay for FOOD MANIPULATION for all in society and to pay for government-sponsored activities of diversion, such as circuses and sports. Interestingly, as the time of the final collapse drew closer, greater emphasis was placed on sports, to divert the attention of the public from the distressing news of massive trouble within the Empire.

    3.The drive for personal pleasure had become very intense, even to the point of obsession. Gibbons noted that, at the very end, sports had become more exciting and brutal.

    4. People lost their faith, both religiously and in their government. Paganism gave way to Christianity and the efficient Roman Government gave way to chaos and disintegration.

    5. Hidden conspirators were working within the government to secretly destroy it. They worked quietly, invisibly and deceitfully; during the entire time they were secretly dismantling the government of the Roman Empire, they publicly proclaimed their unswerving support of it.

    DOES ANY OF THE FACTORS CITED IN ANY OF THESE 5 POINTS PORTEND VIVIDLY TO POSTMODERN WESTERN SOCIETY TODAY?

    You decide!!!

  • Anonymous

    The handwriting is on the wall… The imperialist collapse of United States & its English speaking NATIONS* of GOG & MAGOG fast running out of moral worth – bankrupt towards what is righteous will see its economies destroyed by a HAND* far superior to human hands yet at the hands of its enemies as did other world civilizations…

    Between 1776-1788, social historian & seer Sir Edward Gibbons published a huge 6 volume work entitled:- The History Of The Decline And Fall Of The Roman Empire…

    Gibbons listed [5] basic reasons why the monolithic Roman Empire was ultimately destroyed:

    1.The dramatic increase of divorce undermined the institution of the family…

    2.The imposition of higher taxes undermined the economic stability and vitality of the Empire. Taxes were raised to pay for deficit government spending, to pay for FOOD MANIPULATION for all in society and to pay for government-sponsored activities of diversion, such as circuses and sports. Interestingly, as the time of the final collapse drew closer, greater emphasis was placed on sports, to divert the attention of the public from the distressing news of massive trouble within the Empire.

    3.The drive for personal pleasure had become very intense, even to the point of obsession. Gibbons noted that, at the very end, sports had become more exciting and brutal.

    4. People lost their faith, both religiously and in their government. Paganism gave way to Christianity and the efficient Roman Government gave way to chaos and disintegration.

    5. Hidden conspirators were working within the government to secretly destroy it. They worked quietly, invisibly and deceitfully; during the entire time they were secretly dismantling the government of the Roman Empire, they publicly proclaimed their unswerving support of it.

    DOES ANY OF THE FACTORS CITED IN ANY OF THESE 5 POINTS PORTEND VIVIDLY TO POSTMODERN WESTERN SOCIETY TODAY?

    You decide!!!

  • Anonymous

    And people think we have a choice in what we eat. Everything we buy at stores is either genetically modified or composed of corn or soybean or both. This is why food allergies are rising at a faster rate than we can keep up with. We are eating food our bodies cannot break down properly and are eating too much of one thing, resulting in diabetes and obesity. Not to forget that there is no variety in seeds anymore. Few have been gathered and are stored for safety when the real global food crisis begins; however, I bet Monsanto will raid that seed storage and destroy it at some point to save face. Monsanto is one of the big players responsible for this mess, including raping the agriculture business and destroying farmers very livelihood simply because they can.

    Now they are trying to bully the EU into planting their seeds so they can control their market too. The only way to send a real message to Monsanto and big agri corporations like them is to buy from local farmers and make your own food.

  • Anonymous

    We should be congratulating Robert Mugabe for all the work he’s done in fighting off Monsanto and all the other GM monsters.

    Start paying attention people.

    Monsanto now has 80% of the US corn crop !

    This confirms we need WikiLeaks more than ever !

  • Anonymous

    We should be congratulating Robert Mugabe for all the work he’s done in fighting off Monsanto and all the other GM monsters.

    Start paying attention people.

    Monsanto now has 80% of the US corn crop !

    This confirms we need WikiLeaks more than ever !

  • Anonymous

    We should be congratulating Robert Mugabe for all the work he’s done in fighting off Monsanto and all the other GM monsters.

    Start paying attention people.

    Monsanto now has 80% of the US corn crop !

    This confirms we need WikiLeaks more than ever !

  • http://freedomfighterradio.net/2010/12/21/us-threatened-%e2%80%98retaliation%e2%80%99-to-bully-eu-into-accepting-biotech-crops-cable-shows/ Freedom Fighter Radio | US threatened ‘retaliation’ to bully EU into accepting biotech crops, cable shows

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  • http://twitter.com/Covert4Liberty Brimstone Hill

    Food as a Commodity………..This is what Monopolies do.
    They prop up their Scam by infiltrating the “People’s” Government with a bunch of lobbyist and political puppets so that the regulations favor their every business practice.
    I went to buy groceries with the wife this weekend.
    Instead of going to the big chain stores, we frequented several Mom/Pop stores.
    I was amazed at the price difference for the same shit.
    Walmart 10lb bag of spuds was $4.29..We bought the same 10lbs at a local farmer’s market and paid $2.19.
    All day we found huge markups in the big Fascist stores.
    We literally bought twice as much with what we would normally spend.
    I will no longer contribute to these behemoth stores that profit from slave labor and fascist associations.
    Big Oil, Big Food, Big Pharma, Big Government equals Big Fascists bloodsucking Scum.

  • Anonymous

    FRANKENCORN . . .

    . . . Mmmmmmmmm . . . frankencorn

    Can I have mine with extra frankenbutter ?

  • Anonymous

    FRANKENCORN . . .

    . . . Mmmmmmmmm . . . frankencorn

    Can I have mine with extra frankenbutter ?

  • Anonymous

    But … I thought Gog was Russia and Magog was China !

    . . . no ?

  • Anonymous

    But … I thought Gog was Russia and Magog was China !

    . . . no ?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TSG4BQCBTLF7YIK7OYCUP3EGUU Chad H

    the government is just a puppet when it comes to biotech crops, the real wheel-man involved in all of this is Monsanto.

    Monsanto is bio tech there are no other players in the bio tech game, and Monsanto wants to control the world food supply, in case you forgot the food supply belongs to the people and that’s us not Monsanto.

  • Anonymous

    Do people really believe that these scientists working for Monsanto or have done research for biotech crops truly know what the results of this will be in nature. They don’t, because for one it would take years to study the effects and even then they wouldn’t be able to foresee any type of black swan event that could affect nature. And two, companies don’t have the time to wait out a very long research and peer reviewed results spanning years if not a decade. And thats because they are worried about the bottom line (Money). They know that the longer they wait someone else in the US or in the world will get wind of what they are doing and just go ahead with it and have something out well before Monsanto.

    Have many of you heard about Monsanto’s self terminating seeds? Those seeds are designed on the genetic level to have one possibly two seasons and then they self terminate and will not grow another generation. It’s designed so that the farmers of other countries and possibly this country to have to keep buying Monsanto seeds to grow certain crops (people don’t need a car, but they do need to EAT, DRINK and BREATH). How farmers do it is to keep a portion of their crops to seed the next season or grow period, but not anymore.

    What I fear and all of us should fear is that black swan event in our environment. We already know that gross genetic incidents have already happened in regard to biotech crops and other plants in nature. What if the genes that help in producing self terminating seeds to not grow all of a sudden grosses over to other plants and food crops. We all of a sudden see crops and/or plants not coming back and dying off. Or heaven forbid they start to grow into a mutated form of that plant and produce results that make them poisonous or inedible or an aggressive weed or plant that crowds out other plants in an environment it never did before.

    People must consider why does a big chunk of EU countries fight against biotech crops. It’s because their researchers differ to the danger to the environment and the people and animals who consume these products. I’m very scared because we may endanger the whole planet from our folly.

  • Anonymous

    @ BrunoDiderot – “God spoke to Ezekiel: “Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief of prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him, and say, ‘Thus saith the Lord Yahweh, “Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal. And I will turn thee back and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth and all thy army, horses, and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armor, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords; Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them, all of them with shield and helmet; Gomer and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters and all his bands – and many people with thee.”’” (Ezek. 38:2-6)

    “The list of names of those accompanying Gog can be very confusing, because every Bible map shows all of them located in northern Mesopotamia, along the shores of the Black Sea. This is why all of the scholars have interpreted this invading horde as Russian. But maps can be misleading, since at the time that these maps supposedly represent, the rest of the earth was uninhabited. These few referenced tribes, shown all clustered together, are the forefathers of every nation on earth…”

    “If we look back at the genealogy of Noah’s son Japheth instead, whose descendants settled Europe and Western Asia, and from thence, North and South America, we see that Ezekiel has listed what would now be considered Northern Europe, Western Asia, and North America. While the discussion is much too detailed to present here, Gog and Magog represent the English-speaking people of the world…”

    “This is a particular eye-opener, since there is a large segment of the professing church that believes that England and the U.S. represent the “New Israel”. Suddenly, the importance of properly understanding prophecy hits home! If we base our life’s choices and loyalty on the assumption that America is now God’s chosen nation, and she is, in fact, Gog, whom God has declared that He is against, where will we find ourselves? Yet these concepts, along with the marriage of religion and patriotism, are all ingrained as mainstream Christianity.” (REF: E. Spurlin)

  • http://www.bullhornjournal.com Bullhorn Journal

    A few things everyone should know about Genetically Engineered crops:

    1. There is not one single GMO engineered for increased yield. The industry derives their numbers by comparing GMO crop sprayed with herbicide vs common variety with no poisons to kill predators. Utter bunk.

    2. There is not one single GMO engineered for drought resistance or enhanced nutrition. These are industry lies retold by our politicians.

    3. There has never been done one single long-term, multi-generational food safety test on even one GMO.

    It’s all about money. It has nothing to do with feeding people. Where GMOs have been introduced, in every instance, poverty, unemployment and hunger increase while a few wealthy farmers and corporations mass more wealth.

    My film concentrates on the economic impact of GMOs. Look up Genetic Chile on netflix. Also here’s a link to factual articles in reliable sources about GMOs. Educate yourselves! Thanks Raw Story, always the best!
    http://genetic-chile.com/links.html

  • Abner Malady

    Wokay, I’ll bite…”Where” do we go?
    Spain? France? new Zealand?

  • http://optimumexercise.net/blog1/2010/12/23/wikileaks-reveals-us-manipulation-of-biotech-crop-use/ Wikileaks Reveals US Manipulation of Biotech Crop Use | Optimum Exercise

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  • Anonymous

    Yeah, be a stealth ninja.