Yep DEFINITELY Kucinich for 2012 NO QUESTION IN MY MIND

And the hits just keep on coming. There’s no way we would have let B*sh get away with this shit.

Not longer than two terms, that is.

Any person who thinks Indefinite Detention is a Constitutional, or good, tool, is a person unqualified to be President.

You’re right. And we shouldn’t let Obama get away with it either.

Here comes the president of hope and dreams again………………Every Democrats should vote Republican next election, at least you’ll get the real deal. Not an empty suit mother fucker who claims to be a liberal but acts like a fucking Nazi.

Obama campaigned against all the crap he’s doing.

Democrats are part-big industry sluts and republicans are the real deal: full-on big industry sluts. Why vote for either of them? Lets create and rally around alternatives.

That’s not exactly closing Guantanamo, is it?

Much as Obama blows and I will not vote for him again, no one should ever EVER vote for a Republican for any reason.

Well said.

I voted for him in the primary. Proud of it.

These prisoners are being “held without charge or trial.” Imagine then facing indefinite detention. You have to wonder how anyone could have hope in such circumstances. It is on us, the American people. I say- Hey, don’t look at me. I didn’t vote for Obama. But oh! my taxes are going to support this mess. They have, all the way back into the Bush debacle. So it’s on me, and you, too.

[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Cynthia Y. and others. Cynthia Y. said: White House drafts executive order for indefinite detention | Raw Story – http://goo.gl/sncNB wtf were they tried first? he caved? [...]

Write in Elizabeth Warren.

Write in Elizabeth Warren.

What is funny is that the right will use this to show how Liberal he is, yet we on the left shake our heads and say “there he goes again… one step forward and two steps back”

Oh Bushbama, we thought DADT was a bright moment and then you throw this bucket on it…

Please sir, Announce that you will not run in 2012 and allow the democrats to keep the white house…

What is funny is that the right will use this to show how Liberal he is, yet we on the left shake our heads and say “there he goes again… one step forward and two steps back”

Oh Bushbama, we thought DADT was a bright moment and then you throw this bucket on it…

Please sir, Announce that you will not run in 2012 and allow the democrats to keep the white house…

I suspect that private Manning will also be included in this indefinite detention draft. If so, then he could now be held for the rest of his life without any trial at all, and it would be completely legal. We have elected George Bush for a third term.

I suspect that private Manning will also be included in this indefinite detention draft. If so, then he could now be held for the rest of his life without any trial at all, and it would be completely legal. We have elected George Bush for a third term.

Im rooting for a Feingold and Kucinich ticket!

Im rooting for a Feingold and Kucinich ticket!

How long will the American people put up with being led around and screwed by the power elite? I truly wonder of our world is so complicated we actually need an elite class to design our lives for us.

How long will the American people put up with being led around and screwed by the power elite? I truly wonder of our world is so complicated we actually need an elite class to design our lives for us.

Does the language specify only pertaining to Guantanamo? Or ANYONE, ANYTIME?

Ugh, just when Obama is on a roll he goes and does this.

The reviews are a fig leaf; these men can’t be released because most of them are innocent. If the world finds out how great the injustice has been, it would be bad PR for Bushco/Obamaco; therefore, these men will stay in prison for many, many more years.
Gitmo’s (and the rest of the American gulag, eg Bhagram) like the oubliette, and if Obama/Bush could, they’d forget these men even existed.

I favor giving these prisoners (stop calling them detainees) trials. If we cannot give them trials then the reasons and story behind their being detained should be made public. To detain people for secret reasons, in secret prisons, without any explanation why? How is that justice?

Obama has to explain this.

Why do any of you still support either party? Haven’t you had enough of being the pro-wrestling spectacle, constantly getting Vince McMahon’d ?

And that is precisely the problem. We don’t know why they are there. They could be anything from terrorists to people the government doesn’t like.

“Indefinite detention”? Why don’t we just call it prison? Why use their phrase?
It’s like calling genocide “ethnic cleansing”, or torture “enhanced interrogation”

These are prisoners, and if they are prisoners of war the President should apply the rules of war!

Indefinite detention, should only be used with prison camps, for prisoners captured, on a live fire, battle field. All other cases should be treated under a due process, rules of evidence, legal framework. What Obama is about to enable, was known as kings justice, and was a primary justification for the American revolution. This act will extinguish what is left of America’s shining light from the hill. Who among you, will stand up, for the founders ideals and faith in due process? We have to draw a line in the sand.

It’s becoming a shame that bad PayPal didn’t block donations to his campaign.

Why do people support the demorepublicrates?

this from a constitutional law professor – between chicago university’s trashing of the world economy with a kgb created poison pill for capitalism (alissa rosenbaum) and its complete disregard for the constitution of the united states of america, i wonder what justifies its continued accreditation as an institute of higher education?

i like the ‘fixed’ nuance of your “pro-wrestling spectacle” analogy … i’ve been saying “kabuki”, but no matter how we characterize it, representative democracy of “we the people” is dead and gone …

another foolish compromise. Unconstitutional, illegal, and irresponsible too.

our owners wouldn’t allow it, citizen …

Another impeachable offense for Mr. Constitutional Lawyer.

just because Obama and Bush gave themselves this power via executive order doesn’t make it legal. Presidents are not above the constitution even though they now think so.

The entire bush crime family should be in indefinite detention.

The Constitution is now just a tourist attraction in D.C.
They might as well put it in the Smithsonian next to Archie Bunker’s chair.

Because they’re stupid.

Yeah, it’ll be a cold day in hell before I ever live in the US again. A true dictatorship run by a scumbag. But what do you expect from a lawyer!!!!

I don’t. I’ll never bother voting in the US again. Total waste of time.

It’s stuff like this that makes me want to completely give up. And all of it is occurring because of 911, which was an inside job as well. Fraud on top of deceit on top of unconstitutional. I can’t take this government seriously while it just makes up rules as it goes along, rules that don’t resolve anything, but make things worse.

Here’s what the Professional Left had to say about this kind of thing in 1776.

“The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

(..)

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

(..)

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

(..)

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:”

etc.

In one corner, we’ve got Community Organizer/Black Activist! In the other corner, we’ve got Grizzly Mom! In the next corner The Maverick, and in the next corner Texas Cowboy! The crowd is going Wild!!

Well, that ought to about wrap it up.

Obama is a Republican. Or a corporate tool. Whatever.

He’s no longer my guy.

Obama is a Republican. Or a corporate tool. Whatever.

He’s no longer my guy.

Okay, this topic is where in my opinion, we left the highway & started down the yellow brick road. Since when did we collectively decide our country would “indefinitely” imprison any human being without a charge or a trial?

With the evidence so far that many detainees were brought forward for cash bounties, revenge, or in “sweeps”, I think the government should be required to prove their case.

Our system of justice is skewed in an unprecedented manner with a supreme court that creates new laws (far beyond the scope of the case they were hearing), and local judges rubberstamping robosigned foreclosure documents. Application of the law depends on who you are and who you know. That, plus stooping to being forced to buy our own debt, makes us a banana republic.

God help us.

Okay, this topic is where in my opinion, we left the highway & started down the yellow brick road. Since when did we collectively decide our country would “indefinitely” imprison any human being without a charge or a trial?

With the evidence so far that many detainees were brought forward for cash bounties, revenge, or in “sweeps”, I think the government should be required to prove their case.

Our system of justice is skewed in an unprecedented manner with a supreme court that creates new laws (far beyond the scope of the case they were hearing), and local judges rubberstamping robosigned foreclosure documents. Application of the law depends on who you are and who you know. That, plus stooping to being forced to buy our own debt, makes us a banana republic.

God help us.

indefinite detention – would there ever a more appropriate fate for most of the Bush era crooks and now some/many of these Obama administration war criminals and co-conspirators against the constitution and civil liberties?
they might as well abolish most provisions of the constitution and bill of rights, and just rule by decree

I’d like to nave bush and cheney and gonzales and scooter and rove et. al. as ‘high-value detainees’ and do with them whatever, like these authoritarian mobsters are doing to their so called ‘terrorist suspects’ in guantanamo and who knows how many black hole sites around the Empire i mean the world….

indefinite detention – would there ever a more appropriate fate for most of the Bush era crooks and now some/many of these Obama administration war criminals and co-conspirators against the constitution and civil liberties?
they might as well abolish most provisions of the constitution and bill of rights, and just rule by decree

I’d like to nave bush and cheney and gonzales and scooter and rove et. al. as ‘high-value detainees’ and do with them whatever, like these authoritarian mobsters are doing to their so called ‘terrorist suspects’ in guantanamo and who knows how many black hole sites around the Empire i mean the world….

Good point – but you know this is meant eventually for the American people – as the man from the ACLU said, “…executive order would only “normalize and institutionalize indefinite detention and other policies”". It’s those ‘other policies’ that will come down on us.

Good point – but you know this is meant eventually for the American people – as the man from the ACLU said, “…executive order would only “normalize and institutionalize indefinite detention and other policies”". It’s those ‘other policies’ that will come down on us.

Good point – but you know this is meant eventually for the American people – as the man from the ACLU said, “…executive order would only “normalize and institutionalize indefinite detention and other policies”". It’s those ‘other policies’ that will come down on us.

I really wish people would just not vote at all. Talk about a power vacuum. Surely they’d have to report that in the MSM.

I really wish people would just not vote at all. Talk about a power vacuum. Surely they’d have to report that in the MSM.

I really wish people would just not vote at all. Talk about a power vacuum. Surely they’d have to report that in the MSM.

I think the intent is to extend it to everyone.

I think the intent is to extend it to everyone.

I think the intent is to extend it to everyone.

he’s just a patsy of the National Security State and hard at work, still, for full spectrum domination of the world.

almost everyone in DC lives in such a bubble, including the awful US media the great wurlitzer, they have no idea how the rest of the world feels or sees them and what the People want and need. these are just awful more authoritarian pre-neo-fascist policies which will someday make it quite easy for some real dictator to seize absolute power and also know everything about everyone…..

he’s just a patsy of the National Security State and hard at work, still, for full spectrum domination of the world.

almost everyone in DC lives in such a bubble, including the awful US media the great wurlitzer, they have no idea how the rest of the world feels or sees them and what the People want and need. these are just awful more authoritarian pre-neo-fascist policies which will someday make it quite easy for some real dictator to seize absolute power and also know everything about everyone…..

he’s just a patsy of the National Security State and hard at work, still, for full spectrum domination of the world.

almost everyone in DC lives in such a bubble, including the awful US media the great wurlitzer, they have no idea how the rest of the world feels or sees them and what the People want and need. these are just awful more authoritarian pre-neo-fascist policies which will someday make it quite easy for some real dictator to seize absolute power and also know everything about everyone…..

You know the oligarchs have been pushing for more and more executive power – been going on for some time now. Remember when Bush, standing on the steps of the Supreme Court, made some yuk, yuk joke about being dictator? That was no joke.

You know the oligarchs have been pushing for more and more executive power – been going on for some time now. Remember when Bush, standing on the steps of the Supreme Court, made some yuk, yuk joke about being dictator? That was no joke.

You know the oligarchs have been pushing for more and more executive power – been going on for some time now. Remember when Bush, standing on the steps of the Supreme Court, made some yuk, yuk joke about being dictator? That was no joke.

I hear that No Confidence is running in 2012, I’m voting for him.

I hear that No Confidence is running in 2012, I’m voting for him.

I hear that No Confidence is running in 2012, I’m voting for him.

Justice – American style. Is this how civilization ends?

Justice – American style. Is this how civilization ends?

Justice – American style. Is this how civilization ends?

If I was Barry, I’d be signing more executive orders that it would make Bush’s head spin. Hurry before the GOP arrives 1/20/11.

If I was Barry, I’d be signing more executive orders that it would make Bush’s head spin. Hurry before the GOP arrives 1/20/11.

If I was Barry, I’d be signing more executive orders that it would make Bush’s head spin. Hurry before the GOP arrives 1/20/11.

Welcome to dictatorship

Welcome to dictatorship

Welcome to dictatorship

I didn’t realize that the United States held hostages. I guess if the situation changes in the home country of a “detainee” they might get to go home. Whatever happened to transparency? Whatever happened to justice? I guess if they weren’t terrorists before their stay at Gitmo, if we release them they will be. So it is better to keep em there?

I didn’t realize that the United States held hostages. I guess if the situation changes in the home country of a “detainee” they might get to go home. Whatever happened to transparency? Whatever happened to justice? I guess if they weren’t terrorists before their stay at Gitmo, if we release them they will be. So it is better to keep em there?

I didn’t realize that the United States held hostages. I guess if the situation changes in the home country of a “detainee” they might get to go home. Whatever happened to transparency? Whatever happened to justice? I guess if they weren’t terrorists before their stay at Gitmo, if we release them they will be. So it is better to keep em there?

I understand the legal minds are trying to figure out how to constitutionally remove citizenship from a citizen so they can do this same thing to an American.

I understand the legal minds are trying to figure out how to constitutionally remove citizenship from a citizen so they can do this same thing to an American.

welcome?
have you been asleep the last ten years?

welcome?
have you been asleep the last ten years?

welcome?
have you been asleep the last ten years?

i smell a summer blockbuster with a happy, romantic, yet, tearful, ending … yeah, and a final scene with red, white and blue balloons descending from the heavens on wall street and the killing fields alike, gawd that’s purty …

have your people call my people, let’s do lunch!

i smell a summer blockbuster with a happy, romantic, yet, tearful, ending … yeah, and a final scene with red, white and blue balloons descending from the heavens on wall street and the killing fields alike, gawd that’s purty …

have your people call my people, let’s do lunch!

i smell a summer blockbuster with a happy, romantic, yet, tearful, ending … yeah, and a final scene with red, white and blue balloons descending from the heavens on wall street and the killing fields alike, gawd that’s purty …

have your people call my people, let’s do lunch!

The fruit of Imperialism.

The fruit of Imperialism.

The fruit of Imperialism.

Is he talking about me? Is he planning to hold me indefinitely if I do something he doesn’t like? What if I protest his war? Does that mean he can hold me indefinitely? What if I become friends with a Muslim and we start emailing each other about how much we hate Obama’s war? Does that mean he can hold me indefinitely?

And I’m expected to respect him as my president?

Is he talking about me? Is he planning to hold me indefinitely if I do something he doesn’t like? What if I protest his war? Does that mean he can hold me indefinitely? What if I become friends with a Muslim and we start emailing each other about how much we hate Obama’s war? Does that mean he can hold me indefinitely?

And I’m expected to respect him as my president?

Is he talking about me? Is he planning to hold me indefinitely if I do something he doesn’t like? What if I protest his war? Does that mean he can hold me indefinitely? What if I become friends with a Muslim and we start emailing each other about how much we hate Obama’s war? Does that mean he can hold me indefinitely?

And I’m expected to respect him as my president?

Is he talking about me? Is he planning to hold me indefinitely if I do something he doesn’t like? What if I protest his war? Does that mean he can hold me indefinitely? What if I become friends with a Muslim and we start emailing each other about how much we hate Obama’s war? Does that mean he can hold me indefinitely?

And I’m expected to respect him as my president?

You’re an idiot alright.

You’re an idiot alright.

You’re an idiot alright.

You’re an idiot alright.

Rotten on the vine.

Rotten on the vine.

Rotten on the vine.

Rotten on the vine.

The “Constitutional Scholar” is an extra-Constitutional Scrawler.

The “Constitutional Scholar” is an extra-Constitutional Scrawler.

The “Constitutional Scholar” is an extra-Constitutional Scrawler.

The “Constitutional Scholar” is an extra-Constitutional Scrawler.

And I quote:

“It is the right of the people, to alter or ABOLISH it, and to institute new government.”

Emphasis is mine, of course!

And I quote:

“It is the right of the people, to alter or ABOLISH it, and to institute new government.”

Emphasis is mine, of course!

And I quote:

“It is the right of the people, to alter or ABOLISH it, and to institute new government.”

Emphasis is mine, of course!

A nightmare called Obama…

A nightmare called Obama…

A nightmare called Obama…

A nightmare called Obama…

The “elite” class is the one class we can completely do without. They know it and we’ll have to take back our democracy out of their cold, dead, skeleton-like claws.

The “elite” class is the one class we can completely do without. They know it and we’ll have to take back our democracy out of their cold, dead, skeleton-like claws.

The “elite” class is the one class we can completely do without. They know it and we’ll have to take back our democracy out of their cold, dead, skeleton-like claws.

The “elite” class is the one class we can completely do without. They know it and we’ll have to take back our democracy out of their cold, dead, skeleton-like claws.

You ‘had’ to be a homo? Not much of streach I can hear the Judy Garland in the backgorund. It’s ok bro, come out come out where-ever you are…!

Tarpley called this mothereffer two years ago:
http://books.google.com/books?id=3uPYo0pS9oIC&printsec=frontcover&dq=webster+tarpley&source=bl&ots=jGzfj4tNBb&sig=x4ZpfraF0kl6qfPuZ7SEv63NaaE&hl=en&ei=MYsMTdjYIYeasAObgp3oAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&sqi=2&ved=0CFkQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q&f=false

It started long before 9/11. 9/11 was just an excuse to accelerate it.

Oddly, I’m beginning to agree. Relegate the Dems to the dumpster of history, and when the shit his the fan, let it hit the fan on the Republican’t's watch.

Picking up the pieces will be messy, but so be it.

WTF. Give them an inch and they’ll take a mile. Actually, they BEGAN by taking the mile, but i couldn’t think of anything else to say. WTF.

I do think he’s a powerless puppet. One who needs to man up and essentially sacrifice himself by telling the truth.

Oops, that was meant to be a response to iotas.

Answers: Yes.yes.yes.yes.yes.yes.and…yes.

…or neither! It was reported YEARS ago that we offered some $5,000 to Afghanis who would turn in Taliban-related people. I don’t know Afghani economy but no doubt you could retire on that. All you had to do was finger someone you didn’t like, and MANY people did.

THANK YOU!!!!! That was my first clue that NPR news is to some extent or another owned by The Man, when I heard even them using “ethnic cleansing.” Turns my gut.

Oh, THANK YOU for that link. Ever since I heard that Brezhinski (sp), the Trilateral Commission’s “contribution” to Jimmy Carter’s presidency, was now advising Obama, I knew that would be the end of any “Change we can Believe In.” But I had no evidence or details. This book promises to be (shudder) enlightening.

He should detain Bush, Gonzalez, Rumsfield, Paul Bremer, George Tenet, Condoleeza Rice and himself for war crimes.

they should stand trial. indefinite detention is for people you don’t have evidence against.

they should stand trial. indefinite detention is for people you don’t have evidence against.

just reading the text one had to wonder “periodically review” what? What’s going to be changing about these mens’ circumstances?

just reading the text one had to wonder “periodically review” what? What’s going to be changing about these mens’ circumstances?

Wow, just like King George used to do. Is this the hope and change part.

Wow, just like King George used to do. Is this the hope and change part.

The tarnish on the reputation of the USA just keeps getting darker and dirtier.

The tarnish on the reputation of the USA just keeps getting darker and dirtier.

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A Nation that holds itself outside the Rule of Law is but a rogue Nation.

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A Nation that holds itself outside the Rule of Law is but a rogue Nation.

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He has been a sell-out and an utter failure. Did anyone expect anything different from this douche?

He has been a sell-out and an utter failure. Did anyone expect anything different from this douche?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attorney_General's_List_of_Subversive_Organizations
The United States Attorney General’s List of Subversive Organizations was a list drawn up on April 3, 1947[1] at the request of the United States Attorney General.[1] The list was intended to be a compilation of organizations seen as “subversive” by the United States government. Among those were: alleged Communist fronts, the Ku Klux Klan and the Nazi Party.[1]

I sincerely hope that his Modesty does not permit him to omit his own name to that list…

Orange Jump Suit bended knees would do him proud…

Oh, and a genuine birth certificate of course….

So true, so appropriate.

Hey, Wolfowitz on the line complaining of omission

Anyone shaking hands with that filth better count their fingers…

…and there are also those held on the mainland of the contiguous states

Then there is also No Hope…

You got a wonderful way with tattoos

What a fuckwit he has to be..

He was partly elected on his vow to immediately close that damn place once in office

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacklist

CHANGE BROUGHT BY OBAMA
The democratic liberal values, along with values of justice, human values will be worse than republicans for the first time in 100 years!

OMG….OMG… What what you’re talking about??????…”indefinite detention is for people you don’t have evidence against”
_Innocent until proven of guilt! Otherwise? You know what? Any body in this world can be detented infinitely, as soon as some cops suddently think they should put someone, any one at all in jail as they feel bored or feeling blue of about to get laid-off for example.

Surprise!

Obama works for the same Federal Reserve banksters as Bush did.

What a piece of shit this guy has turned out to be .

This is simply an extension of the Bush administration’s move toward a unitary executive. It is the judicial branch of government that should have the final say on how long a detainee is held.
Progressives who think Obama is their friend ought to think again.

Obama doesn’t make the laws…the houses do…the court is to make sure they in line with the contintution…can you guess who took that away from the surpreme court ? duh sorry this is America….never mind

Obama doesn’t make the laws…the houses do…the court is to make sure they in line with the contintution…can you guess who took that away from the surpreme court ? duh sorry this is America….never mind

[...] House alone will manage a review process for those it chooses to hold without charge or trial… White House drafts executive order for indefinite detention | Raw Story __________________ http://www.dagodalahera.org [...]

This is America…. the more things change, the more they remain the same. Maybe the next elections will change things for the better?…. or maybe the one after that…. or the one after that…? :)

This is America…. the more things change, the more they remain the same. Maybe the next elections will change things for the better?…. or maybe the one after that…. or the one after that…? :)

Back in 2008 during the last presidential elections my reading showed me an Obama who had serious status quo protecting, conservative leaning, elite favoring tendencies. This man was not the populist his campaign was promoting. Yet I heard many people say how he had to appear more centrist in order to get elected and that once in the White House his true liberal philosophy would show.

Well, his true philosophy is showing alright … but it ain’t liberal. This guy’s no different than any of the other “Protectors of the State”. Protecting the military industrial intelligence complex capitalists at the expense of the people. Indefinite detentions my ass.

Where is the rule of law sir?

Back in 2008 during the last presidential elections my reading showed me an Obama who had serious status quo protecting, conservative leaning, elite favoring tendencies. This man was not the populist his campaign was promoting. Yet I heard many people say how he had to appear more centrist in order to get elected and that once in the White House his true liberal philosophy would show.

Well, his true philosophy is showing alright … but it ain’t liberal. This guy’s no different than any of the other “Protectors of the State”. Protecting the military industrial intelligence complex capitalists at the expense of the people. Indefinite detentions my ass.

Where is the rule of law sir?

What a dirty rotten effing lying rotten son of a ….. hey OBAMA, I say, but he is too busy getting up from his knees and wiping his chin from the line of bankers and corporations and Military Industrial complexers– you know- the ones he IS servicing. Obamas message to the people: ” I lied to get into office” Obamas message to the constitution: ” I’m the president and even breaking my oath of office is not an offence. I am a king, and none of the pure shit stupid citizens of this country will do anything about it”

What a dirty rotten effing lying rotten son of a ….. hey OBAMA, I say, but he is too busy getting up from his knees and wiping his chin from the line of bankers and corporations and Military Industrial complexers– you know- the ones he IS servicing. Obamas message to the people: ” I lied to get into office” Obamas message to the constitution: ” I’m the president and even breaking my oath of office is not an offence. I am a king, and none of the pure shit stupid citizens of this country will do anything about it”

How will we undo this harm to America and fundamental principles of justice? Obviously an insurgent candidacy is the least of it.

It’s like if someone replaced Hitler and set up health inspections in the concentration camps.

It makes one realize there is nothing protecting the American idea, nothing at all. The people are asleep and the leaders are from the enemy.

How will we undo this harm to America and fundamental principles of justice? Obviously an insurgent candidacy is the least of it.

It’s like if someone replaced Hitler and set up health inspections in the concentration camps.

It makes one realize there is nothing protecting the American idea, nothing at all. The people are asleep and the leaders are from the enemy.

How will we undo this harm to America and fundamental principles of justice? Obviously an insurgent candidacy is the least of it.

It’s like if someone replaced Hitler and set up health inspections in the concentration camps.

It makes one realize there is nothing protecting the American idea, nothing at all. The people are asleep and the leaders are from the enemy.

How will we undo this harm to America and fundamental principles of justice? Obviously an insurgent candidacy is the least of it.

It’s like if someone replaced Hitler and set up health inspections in the concentration camps.

It makes one realize there is nothing protecting the American idea, nothing at all. The people are asleep and the leaders are from the enemy.

the Great Deception.

the Great Deception.

the Great Deception.

the Great Deception.

Nice! Just when you think it can’t get any worse, it invariably does!

Take Smith to Room 101.

Nice! Just when you think it can’t get any worse, it invariably does!

Take Smith to Room 101.

Nice! Just when you think it can’t get any worse, it invariably does!

Take Smith to Room 101.

Nice! Just when you think it can’t get any worse, it invariably does!

Take Smith to Room 101.

Sorry speechless…just speechless. At least he ended DADT – wait maybe he did – we will see how long it takes the military to actually approve the change – gotta get the Chaplins to look at the moral issues and then figure out if it is really really okay for them to be there. And the tax break for the middle-class we got that – oh wait so did the Billionaires, Millionaires and Trillionaires. We are getting a big tax holiday from contributing to Social Security so we can spend more – oh wait that is probably in order to bring down Social Security.

Wonder what happened. I think something must have happened to Obama once he got into office that changed him…surely he can’t be so different than what we thought. Maybe there really is another “group” in charge and he is just a figurehead. I hope that is true rather than he is a lying evil man.

And this is change how? Oh yeah, from bad to worse.

This is both unconstitutional and against international law.

“has turned out to be”?? He hasn’t changed a bit.

If he can do this to 48 people at GTMO then he can do it to any of the 300 million people who constitute the population of the US. Of course many of us are detained against our will already but aren’t really aware of it…

I heard he’s trying to hold the DNC Party convention down there in ’12. That way the authorities will have holding facilities close at hand for all the tax cheats and other criminals in the Party.

He does bow nice though.

I’m for greasing’em all and let the Good Lord sort it all out. Ooops sorry for mentioning God.

For the glory of United States and Human kind, this decision should not be considered as appropriate way for human to handle one-another. If you think you can do that to other human because you are stronger? Then ….Welcome to the jungle. Yes, I agree that some criminals are too smart to be caught red-handed. But there were so many cases, things go clear 99%. Just 1% left for the unlucky one to escape their fates. So, if there is doubt of a serious offender. Then “hold him close and watch him dearly”. But treat them with acceptable level until everything turn clear. Then proper treatment apply to them would not be a regrettable situation that might bite deeply our consciences. After justice for these human-being are made. If they are innocent, I believe it’s fair to let them to choose their own fates, either go back home or stay where they are with a compensation of an okay human life.

and I though LIBERALS—”PROGRESSIVES” were agains bigotry?? Another liberal lie. At least you’re being honest Raw Story Idiot with your racist remark and your screen name.

“And I “thought”…” (Don’t want WJM and Pegapuss jumping all over me for a typo)

At least he’s honest when talking about himself.

well daniel, it’s too bad it took you two years and a ruined country to find that out.

well daniel, it’s too bad it took you two years and a ruined country to find that out.

That(the rule of law) went up in smoke when he pushed thru his bull shit healthcare bill; wasn’t the Constitution important then to you “PROGRESSIVES”?

That(the rule of law) went up in smoke when he pushed thru his bull shit healthcare bill; wasn’t the Constitution important then to you “PROGRESSIVES”?

Did anyone hear Janet Napolitano talking about homeland security yesterday? She said our security forces are on the job “24/7 every day 364 days a year” I wonder what day she chose to leave our country unprotected? Does any lib out there know?? Is it the founding day of the Democratic Party, April 1st?? How about Nancy Pelosi’s birthday, October 31st?? I just want to know what day I’ll have to depend on defending myself without any help from my Federal Government. Kind of like the people of Arizona have to do 24/7 365 days a year.

Did anyone hear Janet Napolitano talking about homeland security yesterday? She said our security forces are on the job “24/7 every day 364 days a year” I wonder what day she chose to leave our country unprotected? Does any lib out there know?? Is it the founding day of the Democratic Party, April 1st?? How about Nancy Pelosi’s birthday, October 31st?? I just want to know what day I’ll have to depend on defending myself without any help from my Federal Government. Kind of like the people of Arizona have to do 24/7 365 days a year.

Ahh, yay, a birther. So, now I know to outright dismiss your comments.

Ahh, yay, a birther. So, now I know to outright dismiss your comments.

The truth is realized over time. We lost our country Nov 22, 1963. We’ve had a parade of Figureheads since.

Whitewitch…. have you ever wanted to own your own bridge?

“We” have no say in the matter. He’s pandering to the only crowed that counts, the rich. Tax cuts for them, bailouts for them, fuck off to us. Just like Bush. Go figure.

Some 75% or more of the country didn’t realize we (the middle class and below) got a tax break last year, so no one really knows of any of the “marginal good” bushBama is doing, but all of that is moot when he does shit like this. And it’s all based on lies told by Bush that bushBama won’t prosecute.

[...] House drafts executive order for indefinite detention (Source) By [...]

Shift work.

Because prisoners had a day in court, these guys didn’t. They aren’t prisoners, they are hostages or kidnap victims. They are being illegally (at least in a logical context) held without charge with no expectation to be let go. Without charge means they don’t even have an option of proving their innocence, and prisoners (in theory) have been proved guilty..

How will the phony and self-serving “Progressive/Liberal” media SPIN this totalitarian BS…or will they just conveniently ignore it?

Palin ’12

joking, but I’m not.

SHE MISSPOKE! LYNCH HER!

Now the real work can begin. Just wait and see. tick tock.

[...] all his promises but closing Gitmo was going to be a priority. I guess, like the American people, Obama forgot: But the order establishes indefinite detention as a long-term Obama administration policy and [...]

Not so easy a task. It would be easier trying to lynch a refrigerator.

yeah probably ignore it, like they ignore Bill Clinton’s giving the Commie North Koreans two light water reactors in 1996 that in all likelyhood helped advance their nuclear weapons programs. Have you hear anything about that??

If you look back on his legislative history you can see early seeds of what I think is his political opportunism. For example, in his Senate career there was his vote on FISA that made me deeply suspicious, a suspicion that has been borne out. There is also the matter of the company he kept, i.e. Rahm Emanuel. Not just a fellow Chicago pol, but a key DLC member. Further, Hillary, who is also a key DLC member was in a position to poison the Democratic convention, but I think she used her leverage to seal the deal between Obama and the DLC. So while Obama has the humble beginnings of an idealistic community organizer, he is also a politician through and through. His approach to economic and security issues is entirely consistent with the DLC (the Democartic party corporatists) and has been on this trajectory during his entire national political career.

If you look back on his legislative history you can see early seeds of what I think is his political opportunism. For example, in his Senate career there was his vote on FISA that made me deeply suspicious, a suspicion that has been borne out. There is also the matter of the company he kept, i.e. Rahm Emanuel. Not just a fellow Chicago pol, but a key DLC member. Further, Hillary, who is also a key DLC member was in a position to poison the Democratic convention, but I think she used her leverage to seal the deal between Obama and the DLC. So while Obama has the humble beginnings of an idealistic community organizer, he is also a politician through and through. His approach to economic and security issues is entirely consistent with the DLC (the Democartic party corporatists) and has been on this trajectory during his entire national political career.

If you look back on his legislative history you can see early seeds of what I think is his political opportunism. For example, in his Senate career there was his vote on FISA that made me deeply suspicious, a suspicion that has been borne out. There is also the matter of the company he kept, i.e. Rahm Emanuel. Not just a fellow Chicago pol, but a key DLC member. Further, Hillary, who is also a key DLC member was in a position to poison the Democratic convention, but I think she used her leverage to seal the deal between Obama and the DLC. So while Obama has the humble beginnings of an idealistic community organizer, he is also a politician through and through. His approach to economic and security issues is entirely consistent with the DLC (the Democartic party corporatists) and has been on this trajectory during his entire national political career.

Actually, I believe the rule of law as toast when Bush illegally invaded a sovereign country (Iraq), began the illegal detentions and renditions, and gave public money to private corporations (beginnings of TARP). Obama has continued and escalated those policies against the desires of the people who supported and elected him (not me).

The debacle that was the health care law belongs to everyone in Washington … Obama, Democrats, AND Republicans. My problem with the health care law is not that it goes to far, but rather that it doesn’t go far enough while at the same time mandating that people obtain “health insurance” by using public dollars to purchase private “insurance” from private corporations. Yet another example of corporate welfare. People don’t need health “insurance” … we need health “care”. Quality health care should be provided by the public for the public good as a corner stone of an advanced, caring society. The U.S. is not that society.

But this isn’t a thread on health care … it’s a thread on rule of law. In the U.S. laws are for the have-nots.

Actually, I believe the rule of law as toast when Bush illegally invaded a sovereign country (Iraq), began the illegal detentions and renditions, and gave public money to private corporations (beginnings of TARP). Obama has continued and escalated those policies against the desires of the people who supported and elected him (not me).

The debacle that was the health care law belongs to everyone in Washington … Obama, Democrats, AND Republicans. My problem with the health care law is not that it goes to far, but rather that it doesn’t go far enough while at the same time mandating that people obtain “health insurance” by using public dollars to purchase private “insurance” from private corporations. Yet another example of corporate welfare. People don’t need health “insurance” … we need health “care”. Quality health care should be provided by the public for the public good as a corner stone of an advanced, caring society. The U.S. is not that society.

But this isn’t a thread on health care … it’s a thread on rule of law. In the U.S. laws are for the have-nots.

Actually, I believe the rule of law as toast when Bush illegally invaded a sovereign country (Iraq), began the illegal detentions and renditions, and gave public money to private corporations (beginnings of TARP). Obama has continued and escalated those policies against the desires of the people who supported and elected him (not me).

The debacle that was the health care law belongs to everyone in Washington … Obama, Democrats, AND Republicans. My problem with the health care law is not that it goes to far, but rather that it doesn’t go far enough while at the same time mandating that people obtain “health insurance” by using public dollars to purchase private “insurance” from private corporations. Yet another example of corporate welfare. People don’t need health “insurance” … we need health “care”. Quality health care should be provided by the public for the public good as a corner stone of an advanced, caring society. The U.S. is not that society.

But this isn’t a thread on health care … it’s a thread on rule of law. In the U.S. laws are for the have-nots.

Yeah, ’cause her weight reflects on her policy positions.

There really just is no other way to look at this, but I might suggest that application also counts above and beyond a policy decision on its face.

(edit:) I keep thinking about this, and it’s just fucked up.

He is not the first President to suspend habeas corpus, he is just the last President that was elected by voters who thought that a Politician was also a Citizen. I hope that you get the position with the Carlyle Group that you seem to be auditioning for Obama. You suck as back as the last two. At least the last one did not hide behind the ideals of the left while sticking it to the nation like you and Clinton have. I really thought that maybe with two children and an educated wife there would have been some long term thoughts on what your decisions are gong to do. Not so, we all know that your two little girls will have health insurance and will be able to afford a good education.

You suck Obama, your actions are no different than these http://americancivilwar.com/authors/Joseph_Ryan/150-Year-Anniversary/April-1861/Procedural+History+of+Jose+Padilla-April-1861.htm

I did.

how do you know that this behavior can not be blamed on his half white blood. Just because he plays basketball doesn’t mean that the half white side is not still viable.

This of course is BS. His actions are a reflection of him. The individual who is Obama. The fact that he sucks so badly should make every American with links to either side of his heritage be embarrased. Maybe if we could get an Hispanic to talk to our country about where he would take us there would be a chance that even a Politician would have the honesty to tell us the truth. You know like Alberto Gonzales, oops not that group either.

Can you cite this, please? I cannot find anything to confirm this claim.

Can you cite this, please? I cannot find anything to confirm this claim.

you seem quite happy to say the word. I wonder what your ethnic background is. What you can be sure of is that whatever ethnic group you have attachment to as your own, there is a negative slang that is directed to that one too. Welcome to the world of words. Hate, ignorance, fear and penis envy have terms for every aspect of you.

You are of the mind that your term of hate against a group is the Really, Really real one and you get to be on the Really, really superior side. Drink your six-pack, jack-off to Sarah’s TV show, smack the wife around some, go shoot your gun off and get the kids ready for the Christmas Celebration of the birth of a nappy headed Sephardic jew.

That is the biggest joke on you. All your hatred of those that have ancesteral ties to Africa and you are probably feeding the electric company with extra lights celebrating the birth of someone who if you saw on the streets you would instantly have animosity for.

How in the world all the christian haters of people of color turn their whole consciouness to the dark skinned diety that they claim as the God on earth and their personal savior is beyond me. It is the biggest Joke ever. It is funny like the KKK claiming that dark skin is an abomination to their God and his black skinned son. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Makes me laugh always. Merry Christmas and happy birthday little curly haired black boy, Thanks for being our savior HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

you seem quite happy to say the word. I wonder what your ethnic background is. What you can be sure of is that whatever ethnic group you have attachment to as your own, there is a negative slang that is directed to that one too. Welcome to the world of words. Hate, ignorance, fear and penis envy have terms for every aspect of you.

You are of the mind that your term of hate against a group is the Really, Really real one and you get to be on the Really, really superior side. Drink your six-pack, jack-off to Sarah’s TV show, smack the wife around some, go shoot your gun off and get the kids ready for the Christmas Celebration of the birth of a nappy headed Sephardic jew.

That is the biggest joke on you. All your hatred of those that have ancesteral ties to Africa and you are probably feeding the electric company with extra lights celebrating the birth of someone who if you saw on the streets you would instantly have animosity for.

How in the world all the christian haters of people of color turn their whole consciouness to the dark skinned diety that they claim as the God on earth and their personal savior is beyond me. It is the biggest Joke ever. It is funny like the KKK claiming that dark skin is an abomination to their God and his black skinned son. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Makes me laugh always. Merry Christmas and happy birthday little curly haired black boy, Thanks for being our savior HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Too right as the Brits say.

Too right as the Brits say.

posting on supposed “Left” wing press oulets has you on a list.

posting on supposed “Left” wing press oulets has you on a list.

Due Process you can Believe in.

citizenship. They have already done this to citizens. That is a word that had some meaning up untill the Raygun Revolution. Catch up “puta”, citizen has gone down the same path as Union Member. Now get in line somewhere and be the good little consumer that you are supposed to be and be afraid of what could happen to you.

30 years

WHO??? If some mythological character is our last best chance we are screwed.

Why don’t they just call it “The Assange Law”?

And I quote General Grant http://americancivilwar.com/authors/Joseph_Ryan/150-Year-Anniversary/Buchanan-December-1860/What-Happened-December-1860.html#grantquote

http://www.slate.com/id/2141860/ . nice link to a .pdf of the accord itself is embedded in the article. The idea was supply them with light water reactors if they agreed to drop work on building weapons-grade producing reactors.

Brain Rag….. I’m am in error on the Date. It was October 21, 1994 not 1996. Bill Clinton with the help of Madeline Albright gave two light water nuclear reactors to the North Koreans along with fuel and food in exchange for a promise that they, the North Koreans, would use them only for peaceful means…. (Yeah,Right!) The agreement was known as “The Agreed Framework”.

Three things amaze me about this debacle: One, that the deal was done in the first place. Two, that anyone, let alone one of the most accomplised liars ever to inhabit the White House was dumb enough to trust anyone agreeing to anything from this rogue terroristic Country. And Three, why the main street media has not mentioned anything about it. They talk about Hillary going over there and making an ass out herself, but not about her husband being responsible for the situation being as bad in the first place.

Let me know what you think of Bill Clintons moronic move with North Korea.

Yeah…. and the biggest liar (disbarred for perjuring himself) believed them! Wow What a great President!! NOT

And like I just said, Clinton took the word of a bunch of lying degenerates running the rogue state of north korea?? I guess he was just a dumb shit after all, right??

I was thinking more of her neck size.

Hey mister “I’ve read a lot” History Major, I’m still waiting for an answer to the questions I posted for you, I bet you have forgotten them by now haven’t you? Here’s a refresher. These questions, by the way, have nothing to do with your qualifications for any job or a “job interview,” they are solely designed to show that you don’t know ten historians let alone what they have contributed and that since you can’t answer these two simple questions. Since you haven’t answered them I propose that you can’t answer them which is what I thought and why I asked.

“Name your ten favorite historians and describe what you consider to be the most important contribution of each to the study of history and why?

Give us a description of the three basic schools of historical thought and tell us which one you subscribe to and why?”

You opened yourself up for this kind of inquiry when you bragged about reading so much history and claiming to have a degree in history. I doubt that you even have a degree since your comments are generally inane, and I set about demonstrating that fact for all here to see!

Hey mister “I’ve read a lot” History Major, I’m still waiting for an answer to the questions I posted for you, I bet you have forgotten them by now haven’t you? Here’s a refresher. These questions, by the way, have nothing to do with your qualifications for any job or a “job interview,” they are solely designed to show that you don’t know ten historians let alone what they have contributed and that since you can’t answer these two simple questions. Since you haven’t answered them I propose that you can’t answer them which is what I thought and why I asked.

“Name your ten favorite historians and describe what you consider to be the most important contribution of each to the study of history and why?

Give us a description of the three basic schools of historical thought and tell us which one you subscribe to and why?”

You opened yourself up for this kind of inquiry when you bragged about reading so much history and claiming to have a degree in history. I doubt that you even have a degree since your comments are generally inane, and I set about demonstrating that fact for all here to see!

“…an executive order would only “normalize and institutionalize indefinite detention and other policies,” that were set in place by the Bush administration.”

That about sums up the entire Obama administration and its purpose.

“…an executive order would only “normalize and institutionalize indefinite detention and other policies,” that were set in place by the Bush administration.”

That about sums up the entire Obama administration and its purpose.

Americas hard push for fascism is really quite blatant… same thing is happening here in the EU but at least people are starting to protest

Americas hard push for fascism is really quite blatant… same thing is happening here in the EU but at least people are starting to protest

Part of the agreement was to allow UN inspectors free reign. In fact, I’d say that was the most important part of the deal. Not having followed the situation, I’d garner that one of two things happened:
1. The inspectors stopped showing up. In that case, the situation today is the UN’s fault.
2. NK stopped allowing the inspectors access…in which case the UN & members should’ve immediately ramped up means to counter the broken agreement. I’m guessing that instead they took out their spines and flossed their teeth with ‘em.

Either way, the UN has proved itself completely useless…again. It served a purpose during the Cold War as an arena for political theater, so that the two Superpowers wouldn’t have to do battle on actual soil. But the Cold War is over and much like the US manned space program, the UN is now just another propaganda relic of a bygone era. Let’s be honest and stop spending money on it, just as NASA has finally done with the Astronaut Corps.

Part of the agreement was to allow UN inspectors free reign. In fact, I’d say that was the most important part of the deal. Not having followed the situation, I’d garner that one of two things happened:
1. The inspectors stopped showing up. In that case, the situation today is the UN’s fault.
2. NK stopped allowing the inspectors access…in which case the UN & members should’ve immediately ramped up means to counter the broken agreement. I’m guessing that instead they took out their spines and flossed their teeth with ‘em.

Either way, the UN has proved itself completely useless…again. It served a purpose during the Cold War as an arena for political theater, so that the two Superpowers wouldn’t have to do battle on actual soil. But the Cold War is over and much like the US manned space program, the UN is now just another propaganda relic of a bygone era. Let’s be honest and stop spending money on it, just as NASA has finally done with the Astronaut Corps.

Well, Mr. “I’ve read a lot” History Major, if you go to the New York Times website and type in “Bill Clinton, North Korea and Nuclear Reactors” you get 53 responses using their advanced search feature. Including things like this:

THREATS AND RESPONSES: ASIAN ARENA; U.S. READIES PLAN TO RAISE PRESSURE ON NORTH KOREANS

…oil to North Korea and to build two light-water nuclear reactors, which could provide North Korea with electricity but which Clinton administration…range missiles and end its missile…but President Bill Clinton’s…
December 29, 2002 – By MICHAEL R. GORDON – World – 1835 words

Decoding North Korea

…of the two nuclear reactors that a Western…building for North Korea, capping…reverse course and embarrass…talks on North Korea’s missile program and other issues…suspended after Bill Clinton left office. Then a North Korean gunboat…
August 8, 2002 – Opinion – 527 words

Clinton Administration Reports a Breakthrough in North Korea Nuclear Arms Talks

…detail, and said that…that the North could be…as North Korea’s paramount…megawatt nuclear reactor…two larger reactors that would…deal, the Clinton Administration…years. The North has steadfastly…unrelated to its nuclear program…President Clinton and his aides…with the North’s new leadership…Times, South Korea’s president…much of the bill for aid to…
October 15, 1994 – By DAVID E. SANGER, – World – 1245 words

I could go on of course. But I think you and other readers here can see that since the New York Times is the “paper of record” for most historians working in the United States and elsewhere and since you claim to be a historian, you are being less than truthful when you say the “main street media” isn’t reporting or hasn’t reported about this. The New York Times has reported at least 53 times about this. But of course being a historian you would at least know enough to look at their site, but you didn’t; so you must not be much of an historian!

Well, Mr. “I’ve read a lot” History Major, if you go to the New York Times website and type in “Bill Clinton, North Korea and Nuclear Reactors” you get 53 responses using their advanced search feature. Including things like this:

THREATS AND RESPONSES: ASIAN ARENA; U.S. READIES PLAN TO RAISE PRESSURE ON NORTH KOREANS

…oil to North Korea and to build two light-water nuclear reactors, which could provide North Korea with electricity but which Clinton administration…range missiles and end its missile…but President Bill Clinton’s…
December 29, 2002 – By MICHAEL R. GORDON – World – 1835 words

Decoding North Korea

…of the two nuclear reactors that a Western…building for North Korea, capping…reverse course and embarrass…talks on North Korea’s missile program and other issues…suspended after Bill Clinton left office. Then a North Korean gunboat…
August 8, 2002 – Opinion – 527 words

Clinton Administration Reports a Breakthrough in North Korea Nuclear Arms Talks

…detail, and said that…that the North could be…as North Korea’s paramount…megawatt nuclear reactor…two larger reactors that would…deal, the Clinton Administration…years. The North has steadfastly…unrelated to its nuclear program…President Clinton and his aides…with the North’s new leadership…Times, South Korea’s president…much of the bill for aid to…
October 15, 1994 – By DAVID E. SANGER, – World – 1245 words

I could go on of course. But I think you and other readers here can see that since the New York Times is the “paper of record” for most historians working in the United States and elsewhere and since you claim to be a historian, you are being less than truthful when you say the “main street media” isn’t reporting or hasn’t reported about this. The New York Times has reported at least 53 times about this. But of course being a historian you would at least know enough to look at their site, but you didn’t; so you must not be much of an historian!

“…the order establishes indefinite detention…and makes clear that the White House alone will manage a review process for those it chooses to hold without charge or trial.”

Unless the EO specifies that it is only to be used in regards to the detainees at Gitmo, then it can used against all of us.

“…the order establishes indefinite detention…and makes clear that the White House alone will manage a review process for those it chooses to hold without charge or trial.”

Unless the EO specifies that it is only to be used in regards to the detainees at Gitmo, then it can used against all of us.

“a privilege that I in my own time have known the boldest people afraid to speak of in a whisper …the privilege of filling up blank forms for the consignment of anyone to the oblivion of a prison for any length of time …”

From “A Tale of Two Cities” by Charles Dickens

“a privilege that I in my own time have known the boldest people afraid to speak of in a whisper …the privilege of filling up blank forms for the consignment of anyone to the oblivion of a prison for any length of time …”

From “A Tale of Two Cities” by Charles Dickens

Let’s all watch MSNBC tonight and find out.

Let’s all watch MSNBC tonight and find out.

Apparently, they didn’t stop, and Clinton should have known they wouldn’t. But, he was probably paid a lot of money to complete the deal.

Apparently, they didn’t stop, and Clinton should have known they wouldn’t. But, he was probably paid a lot of money to complete the deal.

Funny…I distinctly remember reading about this on the main street media?

The two faces of Rumsfeld
Friday 9 May 2003 08.48 BST

Donald Rumsfeld, the US defence secretary, sat on the board of a company which three years ago sold two light water nuclear reactors to North Korea – a country he now regards as part of the “axis of evil” and which has been targeted for regime change by Washington because of its efforts to build nuclear weapons.

Mr Rumsfeld was a non-executive director of ABB, a European engineering giant based in Zurich, when it won a $200m (£125m) contract to provide the design and key components for the reactors. The current defence secretary sat on the board from 1990 to 2001, earning $190,000 a year. He left to join the Bush administration.

The Guardian

Good question….why was one of the biggest Warhawks in Bush administration working indirectly with the Clinton Administration to sell nukes to North Korea?

Maybe a better question for you is why are you getting your news from a guy that owns a 7 million dollar mansion just off of Red Square? Why is 10% of Glenn Beck’s pay check coming from Saudis?

pfft…

Funny…I distinctly remember reading about this on the main street media?

The two faces of Rumsfeld
Friday 9 May 2003 08.48 BST

Donald Rumsfeld, the US defence secretary, sat on the board of a company which three years ago sold two light water nuclear reactors to North Korea – a country he now regards as part of the “axis of evil” and which has been targeted for regime change by Washington because of its efforts to build nuclear weapons.

Mr Rumsfeld was a non-executive director of ABB, a European engineering giant based in Zurich, when it won a $200m (£125m) contract to provide the design and key components for the reactors. The current defence secretary sat on the board from 1990 to 2001, earning $190,000 a year. He left to join the Bush administration.

The Guardian

Good question….why was one of the biggest Warhawks in Bush administration working indirectly with the Clinton Administration to sell nukes to North Korea?

Maybe a better question for you is why are you getting your news from a guy that owns a 7 million dollar mansion just off of Red Square? Why is 10% of Glenn Beck’s pay check coming from Saudis?

pfft…

Christmas. That’s the day they won’t protect us, because, Christmas is just so offensive, ya know?

Christmas. That’s the day they won’t protect us, because, Christmas is just so offensive, ya know?

Fnck you Obama!

Fnck you Obama!

Google “Bombshell Barack”.

Google “Bombshell Barack”.

DADT was ended because the military needs as many warm bodied idiots as possible to continue and extend their endless genocidal wars. I have no doubt that homosexuals can kill, torture, bully, degrade and maim innocent human beings just as effectively and as remorselessly as heterosexuals.

DADT was ended because the military needs as many warm bodied idiots as possible to continue and extend their endless genocidal wars. I have no doubt that homosexuals can kill, torture, bully, degrade and maim innocent human beings just as effectively and as remorselessly as heterosexuals.

Jose Padilla looks very much like John Doe #2, the guy that was with McVeigh when he rented the Ryder truck. Maybe he is that guy, and that’s why he’s been snatched up, held in solitary confinement and fitted with the phony dirty bomb story. To keep him quiet about what he knows forever.

Sounds farfetched, but anything is possible with these sociopathic criminals masquerading as politicians. And, knowing what psychopaths they are, I always assume the worst.

Jose Padilla looks very much like John Doe #2, the guy that was with McVeigh when he rented the Ryder truck. Maybe he is that guy, and that’s why he’s been snatched up, held in solitary confinement and fitted with the phony dirty bomb story. To keep him quiet about what he knows forever.

Sounds farfetched, but anything is possible with these sociopathic criminals masquerading as politicians. And, knowing what psychopaths they are, I always assume the worst.

Your reading? You mean your take on the man, or are you an astrologer?

Your reading? You mean your take on the man, or are you an astrologer?

Your reading? You mean your take on the man, or are you an astrologer?

The article provides some examples: “Perhaps the dangerousness of the detainee’s country of origin could change, or the group that the detainee is affiliated with could cease to exist.”

Which, of course, does nothing do justify this abomination.

The article provides some examples: “Perhaps the dangerousness of the detainee’s country of origin could change, or the group that the detainee is affiliated with could cease to exist.”

Which, of course, does nothing do justify this abomination.

The article provides some examples: “Perhaps the dangerousness of the detainee’s country of origin could change, or the group that the detainee is affiliated with could cease to exist.”

Which, of course, does nothing do justify this abomination.

Yeah, well, that’s hope for ya.

Yeah, well, that’s hope for ya.

The Chameleon is showing his true “Predatory Capitalistic Republicanism” agenda.

Dont come crawling for money from me, … Hell, so many times have I regretted this fool. But what other choice do we have?

And that’s what they are counting on, … what other choice do They have!

The only thing here is the false game of; … Good Cop – Bad Cop and both cops are on the same side, … and ARE going to screw you in the end!

F-U Obama, … F-U!!!!!!!!!!!

The Chameleon is showing his true “Predatory Capitalistic Republicanism” agenda.

Dont come crawling for money from me, … Hell, so many times have I regretted this fool. But what other choice do we have?

And that’s what they are counting on, … what other choice do They have!

The only thing here is the false game of; … Good Cop – Bad Cop and both cops are on the same side, … and ARE going to screw you in the end!

F-U Obama, … F-U!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for your input crash.

I agree with you completely on the relevance of United Nations.

However, I think a president should be able to make an informed decision based upon the best available information at hand. A so called genius that boasts Rhodes Scholar intelligence looks like he failed the dummy test on trusting either the word of the north korean commie thugs or the ability of the United Nations with their Blue Power Puff Helmets to do anthing but give the commie goons fits of laughter.

Thanks for your input crash.

I agree with you completely on the relevance of United Nations.

However, I think a president should be able to make an informed decision based upon the best available information at hand. A so called genius that boasts Rhodes Scholar intelligence looks like he failed the dummy test on trusting either the word of the north korean commie thugs or the ability of the United Nations with their Blue Power Puff Helmets to do anthing but give the commie goons fits of laughter.

It’s Like Sirhan Sirhan or David Chapman. There always is some glassy-eyed character that we never know anything about who is the Cause…….

do you really think that this took only two years. Man, I have another story for ya then..

Once upon a time there was a Daddy God who made a little baby God from a Virgin Mom. This new baby God can walk on water and raise the dead and turn water into wine. Daddy God made Baby God get killed because he wants everyone to know how much he Loves his little non-gods.

One day when Dady God is ready, he will send down baby God to take everyone who is good home to heaven to live with Daddy and Baby God and all the little sub-Gods that he made and everyone will live happily ever after.

The End

I’m a birther too, so you can dismiss mine as well.

The “Rule of Law” has been trampeled on for over 150 years now. Here is some info on our last Presidents actions which relate back to Lincolns POTUS trampeling
http://americancivilwar.com/authors/Joseph_Ryan/150-Year-Anniversary/April-1861/Procedural+History+of+Jose+Padilla-April-1861.htm

Pagapuss
You are a liberal and I know just on the face of that alone, you are always in a state of confusion. But in additon to that, you have me confused with someone who gives a shit about your questions concerning my qualifications. As for naming my ten favorite historians? That would be easy if I wanted to share any information with you, but I don’t.

It would be much more difficult to name ten Democrapic congressmen that pay their taxes.
That would really require some research.

However, if you can dispute anything I say, do so. For example, Bill Clinton was a draft dodger during the Vietnamese War. Was He?…or can you come up with any military service record for ‘Old Yeller’? John Kerry wounded himself when he got one of his Purple Hearts by discharging an M-79 grenade laucher too close to himself and his fellow sailors. I guess you could also credit him for taking a number of viet cong out of the firefight who were too bent over laughing at him to fire their weapons. That’s a fact. Dispute it if you can.

As far as opening myself up for this kind of inquiry? I would suggest you spend your time with more important inquiries like………..where’s the birth certificate?(Bo’s at least got his papers from the kennel…where’s Barry’s?) and where’s Joe Biden’s high school diploma?

Report to me when you come up with anything Pegapuss and I promise I’ll check the accuracy of you research. You are dismissed!

“Alas, poor America! I knew her, Horatio….” – shakespeare, slightly rewritten

Seems like you got some of the details, wrong. We didn’t “give” them anything, we seem to have been poised to help them convert the weapons-capable facilities that they’d already built, and then NK went off and went all NK on us.

This seems a diplomatic failure only because NK is a petulant country that wants what it wants when it wants it, and thinks it can set the terms for negotiation just by being stubborn — pretty much how Bush and Bolton handled the decision to go to Iraq.

That’s not how diplomacy works, and a big part of the diplomatic process is taking a person at their word whether you trust them or not because you have faith that they’re going to honor the agreement you’ve arranged. The fact that they didn’t do it seems to me a failure on the part of the UN rather than anything that Clinton specifically did wrong.

I expect we’ll disagree there, and I’ll concede that Clinton’s foreign policy was weak when he first got into office, but “giving them” nuclear capability is not what happened. So, though foolish to have trusted them, I think the substance of the matter should still be dealt with in a factual manner.

Another thing about diplomacy … you’ve got to take the risks.

And by the way, Clinton was caught–how is that an accomplished liar?

http://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/agreedframework

and the key to all that you just said was…..”working with the Clinton Adminstration to sell nudes to North Korea(?)” THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION…. don’t know what Rumsfeld did or didn’t do as a private citizen. I care very much what the President of the United States does as an acting leader of my Country. The question still remains: WHY DID THIS MORON RHODES SCHOLAR GIVE WEAPONS TO AM ENEMY OF THE WORLD??? Can you please answer the question that is asked???

The New York Times??? enough said, are you sure that wasn’t stolen from Pravda by the libs at the times, moron?

Whoop! Didn’t catch this one, friend. Thanks for coming with some facts.

Here’s what I gave Rlau: http://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/agreedframework

Yeah, fuck all those assholes who enlist to put their lives on the line for you to degrade their service.

Iraq is fucked up. What Lindsey … shit, what was her name? Her and her goons at Abu Gharib? Lindsey Englund? Whatever, it doesn’t matter. That was an abominable shame and devastated whatever credibility we had at the time.

You can say whatever you want about the policy, about the commanders that put these kids so willingly in harm’s way, but to blame the soldiers in all but the most blatant cases is really messed up. These kids are trying to do something useful, that they believe in, and are then chewed up and spit out by a machine that doesn’t care about their sacrifices. They are pawns, not rooks.

Focus your criticism where it belongs, at the power structure, not aimed at some poor grunt who sometimes has to deal with the decisions of challenging their orders in order to do what is right, which, after years in that fucking quagmire, becomes harder and harder to discern.

Yeah, fuck all those assholes who enlist to put their lives on the line for you to degrade their service.

Iraq is fucked up. What Lindsey … shit, what was her name? Her and her goons at Abu Gharib? Lindsey Englund? Whatever, it doesn’t matter. That was an abominable shame and devastated whatever credibility we had at the time.

You can say whatever you want about the policy, about the commanders that put these kids so willingly in harm’s way, but to blame the soldiers in all but the most blatant cases is really messed up. These kids are trying to do something useful, that they believe in, and are then chewed up and spit out by a machine that doesn’t care about their sacrifices. They are pawns, not rooks.

Focus your criticism where it belongs, at the power structure, not aimed at some poor grunt who sometimes has to deal with the decisions of challenging their orders in order to do what is right, which, after years in that fucking quagmire, becomes harder and harder to discern.

Hrm, I did that thing and nothing but conspiracy sites come up.

How very … curious.

Hrm, I did that thing and nothing but conspiracy sites come up.

How very … curious.

Brain Rag seems you have been looking up this information all afternoon good for you! I wish someone would do some research on the number of Democratic Congress man and women who supported force being used against Saddam Hussein BEFORE it was discovered that there were none.(because they probably had them moved to Syria).

You know, people like John Lurch Kerry who was for the war before he was against it and Hillary Clinton…

none meaning WMD.

P.S. I guess you’re right. He’s not so accomplished at lying afterall.

What are you asking?
The Agreed Framework was killed by the GOP? The US reneged and pissed off both South Korea and North Korea because it was tied to increased trade arrangements, in particular, the the Relative reunification program was canceled by DRPK, a free trade zone was canceled as well as a high speed rail service.
Bush came to power — labeled them part of the axis of evil — North Korean then went out of it’s way to build nuclear weapons all under the watchful of Bush…not Clinton. If anything, Clinton managed to tie up the North Koreans in negotiations that put their enrichment program back a decade?
The US doesn’t want peace between or even normalization with the Koreans as it would lose it excuse for continuing to occupy South Korea under some 50 year old UN mandate.
What a idiot….you accuse Clinton of something he didn’t even do…it was Bush that cut off all ties that simply lead to the crazies fast tracking their nuclear weapons program. The program was only signed but never implemented by Clinton so how can Clinton be faulted for attempting to bring their EXISTING nuke program under the IAEA and US inspection regime?
I fault Clinton for a few things, but not that one.
Repukes are obsessed with Korea — in fact how many votes do you figure the GOP lost when Palin couldn’t figure out where Korea was and THEN having McInsane brag that the US could be in Iraq for fifty years….just like the Korean peninsula?
Besides, if Rumsfeld HAD no problem selling North Korean’s a nuclear plant, who the fuck are you to question it? It’s people like Rumsfeld and Clinton that fed you the lies to begin with….

I worry that that is true J – sadly I believe it is true.

I worry that that is true J – sadly I believe it is true.

Oh Dude I got one of those…just everyone else is always using it. I hear you!

Oh Dude I got one of those…just everyone else is always using it. I hear you!

Dude – you better learn to rely on yourself 365 days a year because the Government is not here to help you or anyone else. Don’t know what your core beliefs are – but it is a fact only the rich get help and then only in cash…sorry you are on your own.

Dude – you better learn to rely on yourself 365 days a year because the Government is not here to help you or anyone else. Don’t know what your core beliefs are – but it is a fact only the rich get help and then only in cash…sorry you are on your own.

Dude – you better learn to rely on yourself 365 days a year because the Government is not here to help you or anyone else. Don’t know what your core beliefs are – but it is a fact only the rich get help and then only in cash…sorry you are on your own.

Dude – you better learn to rely on yourself 365 days a year because the Government is not here to help you or anyone else. Don’t know what your core beliefs are – but it is a fact only the rich get help and then only in cash…sorry you are on your own.

Dude – you better learn to rely on yourself 365 days a year because the Government is not here to help you or anyone else. Don’t know what your core beliefs are – but it is a fact only the rich get help and then only in cash…sorry you are on your own.

Indefinite detention is strictly characteristic of totalitarian police states like Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia not America, Manzanar notwithstanding.

Awful long response for someone who doesn’t “give…a shit about my questions.”

The point is you can’t answer the questions. That is now completely evident. And since you can’t answer my question I feel no compunction whatsoever to answer yours. But I will continue to point out all the exaggerations and lies that you spew around here whenever I run across one of your inane posts. And since you have read so much history you should probably brush up a little because there is much that you have forgotten, or never knew to start with! My bet is on the latter option.

Yes Sir! Right away Sergeant Stryker

Tea leaves, smart ass. Tea leaves.

Tea leaves, smart ass. Tea leaves.

Tea leaves, smart ass. Tea leaves.

Yeah, Alex Jones, whom I believe is on the CIA payroll. But read the article why don’t you, and let us know what you disagree with.

I really don’t give a shit about your questions, pegapus, but i do care about educating the mentally challened like you. I feel it’s my Chrisitian duty. I will agree to help you with your studies in history and any other subject you want me too, but just promise me you’ll work hard and get your high school diploma. There’s not much you can do without it these days….Vice President Joe Biden is the exception.

I really don’t give a shit about your questions, pegapus, but i do care about educating the mentally challened like you. I feel it’s my Chrisitian duty. I will agree to help you with your studies in history and any other subject you want me too, but just promise me you’ll work hard and get your high school diploma. There’s not much you can do without it these days….Vice President Joe Biden is the exception.

Pegapus, did you see the lastest medical report from the FDA regarding pollutants and their effects on brain disorders? Have you WJM and Loaththetruth been doing backstrokes in the Love Canal lately? You all respond like it.

I remember, after the selection, when the Obamanos were telling me how everything would change. Their man would end the Iraqi war, bring peace in Afghanistan and the mid-east, end warrantless spying at home and close Gitmo abroad.

It was all bullsh*t.
Here’s your change fools, now get back to subverting the Police State.
We’ll only have real change when we throw all of the b-tards out.

I remember, after the selection, when the Obamanos were telling me how everything would change. Their man would end the Iraqi war, bring peace in Afghanistan and the mid-east, end warrantless spying at home and close Gitmo abroad.

It was all bullsh*t.
Here’s your change fools, now get back to subverting the Police State.
We’ll only have real change when we throw all of the b-tards out.

I remember, after the selection, when the Obamanos were telling me how everything would change. Their man would end the Iraqi war, bring peace in Afghanistan and the mid-east, end warrantless spying at home and close Gitmo abroad.

It was all bullsh*t.
Here’s your change fools, now get back to subverting the Police State.
We’ll only have real change when we throw all of the b-tards out.

All my friends supported Obama.
I told them he’d be just like Bush with different window-dressing.
I was right. Not that its much comfort.
At least most of them have come around now.
Its a shame though, they could have been helping thwart this tyrannical bs for the last two years.

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Its very unlikely that Sirhan Sirhan actually did that assassination, look into it some, seem to have been goons in the bushes (Bushes?!) with more capable arms and skills. Of course any assassin who supposedly used a 22 is immediately suspect.

But never before have them went so far as fondling random women and children’s bare genitals with unwashed gloves.

Never before have they had the ability to intercept and scan the contents of most communications.

Never before have they stolen the wealth of the entire nation and given it to the bankers.

We are in dire peril and all good and able bodied men need to ensure they have the ability to defend their homes and communities from tyranny in any form, should that need eventually arise.

WRONG WRONG WRONG

It was not until Marbury v. Madison that the court gave itself the power to determine constitutionality/ This is now Generally Perceived to be the authoritative power to do so, though this was never specified in the Constitution. That power was NOT reserved for the Federal Government in the Constitution and therefor rests with the States, or the People, respectively.

the two Kennedys going down in the 60s both by killers acting alone is a joke. The David Chapman story also has alot of BS involved surrounding his medication and his Dad. The Bushes are definetly soldiers for the New World Order folks but do not give them the credit as being leaders. The control of all this is bigger than they are. The usual suspects in the World Monopoly game are behind our destruction

Not a fuckwit at all, just another damned LIAR.

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“I got it. We don’t have to miss a beat. We’ll just get a slick ‘cool’ guy that no one knows. We’ll market him to the dumbass American public as a man of the people, a ‘bro’ …and they’ll still be slavering over him even while he expands and accelerates the Bush/Cheney policies beyond anything they ever would have dared.”

“I got it. We don’t have to miss a beat. We’ll just get a slick ‘cool’ guy that no one knows. We’ll market him to the dumbass American public as a man of the people, ‘bro’ …and they’ll still be slavering over him even while he expands and accelerates the Bush/Cheney policies beyond anything they ever would have dared.”

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