Bradley Manning should be given a medal for what he did.

Manning is entitled to fair and reasonable treatment as equal to military prisoners. Even now it is possible to obtain a court order to investigate and explain the precise conditions of Manning’s confinement. This is his right, as is his right of Habeus Corpus…which oddly hasn’t been mentioned yet. Is this a provable case of victimization of a prisoner being held without charge?
If so….Moore, Elsberg, and Mc Govern et. al. need to hire the lawyers and get busy.

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Unfortunately it would very difficult to prove that Habeus Corpus was unjustly stripped, as the Patriot Act has been used as a loophole before it will surely be used again. Manning will be proclaimed a “terrorist” and treated outside the laws of this land… his only choices will be to agree to a plea bargain or wait until this has all blown over.

The government wants its retribution and it’ll get it. So if it can’t get Julian, Manning will have to face the brunt of illegal usage of laws — not just US laws but those pertaining to the “Rights of Man”, every man, woman, and child being included in these. Yes it’s fascism, no we don’t have a democracy (republic), and yes it’s all of our faults.

Unfortunately it would very difficult to prove that Habeus Corpus was unjustly stripped, as the Patriot Act has been used as a loophole before it will surely be used again. Manning will be proclaimed a “terrorist” and treated outside the laws of this land… his only choices will be to agree to a plea bargain or wait until this has all blown over.

The government wants its retribution and it’ll get it. So if it can’t get Julian, Manning will have to face the brunt of illegal usage of laws — not just US laws but those pertaining to the “Rights of Man”, every man, woman, and child being included in these. Yes it’s fascism, no we don’t have a democracy (republic), and yes it’s all of our faults.

Unfortunately it would very difficult to prove that Habeus Corpus was unjustly stripped, as the Patriot Act has been used as a loophole before it will surely be used again. Manning will be proclaimed a “terrorist” and treated outside the laws of this land… his only choices will be to agree to a plea bargain or wait until this has all blown over.

The government wants its retribution and it’ll get it. So if it can’t get Julian, Manning will have to face the brunt of illegal usage of laws — not just US laws but those pertaining to the “Rights of Man”, every man, woman, and child being included in these. Yes it’s fascism, no we don’t have a democracy (republic), and yes it’s all of our faults.

If you check wikileaks.ch, there are cables listed from the 60′s and 70′s. Way before Manning was on the scene and prior to the digital age. Somebody has saved them for a long time and wants to show off. Manning is obviously a patsy.

If you check wikileaks.ch, there are cables listed from the 60′s and 70′s. Way before Manning was on the scene and prior to the digital age. Somebody has saved them for a long time and wants to show off. Manning is obviously a patsy.

If you check wikileaks.ch, there are cables listed from the 60′s and 70′s. Way before Manning was on the scene and prior to the digital age. Somebody has saved them for a long time and wants to show off. Manning is obviously a patsy.

Only a lawless beast can treat someone any old way and not have any responsibility for it while itself feels it has the right to control everyone else. The enemy of both the founding fathers and an enemy of the cross is in the hearts of most in government. They are the god of this world that heap great burdens on it’s people (except the rich) while themselves spend more in coffee each day than most in this world live on. They never knew the true intentions of the heart. Pay them and their intentions to keep all in fear no mind as their days are now numbered. They are using their power unlawfully to hide their wrongdoings. (I speak of the masses in office that do not have the heart of the fathers,that use the fears of the minions to their end.)

Only a lawless beast can treat someone any old way and not have any responsibility for it while itself feels it has the right to control everyone else. The enemy of both the founding fathers and an enemy of the cross is in the hearts of most in government. They are the god of this world that heap great burdens on it’s people (except the rich) while themselves spend more in coffee each day than most in this world live on. They never knew the true intentions of the heart. Pay them and their intentions to keep all in fear no mind as their days are now numbered. They are using their power unlawfully to hide their wrongdoings. (I speak of the masses in office that do not have the heart of the fathers,that use the fears of the minions to their end.)

Only a lawless beast can treat someone any old way and not have any responsibility for it while itself feels it has the right to control everyone else. The enemy of both the founding fathers and an enemy of the cross is in the hearts of most in government. They are the god of this world that heap great burdens on it’s people (except the rich) while themselves spend more in coffee each day than most in this world live on. They never knew the true intentions of the heart. Pay them and their intentions to keep all in fear no mind as their days are now numbered. They are using their power unlawfully to hide their wrongdoings. (I speak of the masses in office that do not have the heart of the fathers,that use the fears of the minions to their end.)

After WWII, we executed Nazis for not doing, what Private Manning did do.

After WWII, we executed Nazis for not doing, what Private Manning did do.

After WWII, we executed Nazis for not doing, what Private Manning did do.

Habeas, schmabeas!

Everyone knows that ol’ thing only applies to white, god-fearing, heterosexual, property-owning, English-speaking, non-terrorist, narrow-minded, consumerist patriots who comply with authority.

Habeas, schmabeas!

Everyone knows that ol’ thing only applies to white, god-fearing, heterosexual, property-owning, English-speaking, non-terrorist, narrow-minded, consumerist patriots who comply with authority.

why? he broke the law?

why? he broke the law?

why? he broke the law?

why? he broke the law?

why? he broke the law?

why? he broke the law?

We have the markings of a closing society all around us. Manning’s treatment is a total disgrace for a nation that claims to function on democratic principles, including right to fair a trial.

If you are disgusted by this slippery slope the US gov is engaged in, this abdication of duty to democratic principles and fundamental human rights, these insidious moves to control and manipulate information to the detriment of entire societies, please join our small but growing group on FB called 3WC. And consider being part of an open letter/video to the US gov’t denouncing their attempts to try Assange on espionage. If successfull, this will be a resounding death knell for the free press, and for fundamental rights here and well beyond our borders. Find us on FB, or at wwwdotsupport-julian-assangedotcom. We need you.

We have the markings of a closing society all around us. Manning’s treatment is a total disgrace for a nation that claims to function on democratic principles, including right to fair a trial.

If you are disgusted by this slippery slope the US gov is engaged in, this abdication of duty to democratic principles and fundamental human rights, these insidious moves to control and manipulate information to the detriment of entire societies, please join our small but growing group on FB called 3WC. And consider being part of an open letter/video to the US gov’t denouncing their attempts to try Assange on espionage. If successfull, this will be a resounding death knell for the free press, and for fundamental rights here and well beyond our borders. Find us on FB, or at wwwdotsupport-julian-assangedotcom. We need you.

We have the markings of a closing society all around us. Manning’s treatment is a total disgrace for a nation that claims to function on democratic principles, including right to fair a trial.

If you are disgusted by this slippery slope the US gov is engaged in, this abdication of duty to democratic principles and fundamental human rights, these insidious moves to control and manipulate information to the detriment of entire societies, please join our small but growing group on FB called 3WC. And consider being part of an open letter/video to the US gov’t denouncing their attempts to try Assange on espionage. If successfull, this will be a resounding death knell for the free press, and for fundamental rights here and well beyond our borders. Find us on FB, or at wwwdotsupport-julian-assangedotcom. We need you.

We have the markings of a closing society all around us. Manning’s treatment is a total disgrace for a nation that claims to function on democratic principles, including right to fair a trial.

If you are disgusted by this slippery slope the US gov is engaged in, this abdication of duty to democratic principles and fundamental human rights, these insidious moves to control and manipulate information to the detriment of entire societies, please join our small but growing group on FB called 3WC. And consider being part of an open letter/video to the US gov’t denouncing their attempts to try Assange on espionage. If successfull, this will be a resounding death knell for the free press, and for fundamental rights here and well beyond our borders. Find us on FB, or at wwwdotsupport-julian-assangedotcom. We need you.

God…Schmad! Right? (You tell ‘em Einstein.)

God…Schmad! Right? (You tell ‘em Einstein.)

God…Schmad! Right? (You tell ‘em Einstein.)

Yes, but we also hired and protected Nazis for advancing the state of affairs that resulted in the thin Manning protests. It is not a good tactic to hold up the U.S, at any time in history, as an exemplar in its foreign policy or domestic policy. Think extermination of native peoples, the Mexican War, slaughter in the Philippines, land give-a-ways to railroad barons, etc.

Yes, but we also hired and protected Nazis for advancing the state of affairs that resulted in the thin Manning protests. It is not a good tactic to hold up the U.S, at any time in history, as an exemplar in its foreign policy or domestic policy. Think extermination of native peoples, the Mexican War, slaughter in the Philippines, land give-a-ways to railroad barons, etc.

Yes, but we also hired and protected Nazis for advancing the state of affairs that resulted in the thin Manning protests. It is not a good tactic to hold up the U.S, at any time in history, as an exemplar in its foreign policy or domestic policy. Think extermination of native peoples, the Mexican War, slaughter in the Philippines, land give-a-ways to railroad barons, etc.

Yes, but we also hired and protected Nazis for advancing the state of affairs that resulted in the thin Manning protests. It is not a good tactic to hold up the U.S, at any time in history, as an exemplar in its foreign policy or domestic policy. Think extermination of native peoples, the Mexican War, slaughter in the Philippines, land give-a-ways to railroad barons, etc.

But he didn’t. He did his duty. Our MIC and government are the ones committing the crimes. All Manning did (if he in fact did anything, which is yet to be proven) was call them out and make their crimes publicly known.

or maybe government computer systems had all those cables and Manning simply downloaded them all.

So did George Washington. What’s your point?

Yes, but the public outrage existed then; now people just shrug their shoulders. That’s the real difference.

He did? which law? when? how?

The UCMJ is a military process supervised by a Civil authority. That’s the government we’ve made. We are becoming a lot of gripe and no fight! Our trouble isn’t rights …its balls!We are, in fact, Manning’s keeper.

The UCMJ is a military process supervised by a Civil authority. That’s the government we’ve made. We are becoming a lot of gripe and no fight! Our trouble isn’t rights …its balls!We are, in fact, Manning’s keeper.

When will our Govt. learn that it’s to big to whitewash it’s messes?

Does not this treatment of Manning only scream to so many of our troops, that they are no more than dogs to this current pack of wolves that make up so much of our current leadership?

Oh, well, it’s not like there’s any harm likely to come from THAT realization. WTF?!

“psychologist” says… Nwhat about the American people??? Nwhat about “innocent” until proven guilty?? Or the requirements under the Genova convention???

When did America become a totalitarian state… Never mind… Bit was the far flag attack of 2001…

It doesn’t apply to them either anymore, as they are about to find out.

Indeed. Dark days ahead, for us all…

Like Nathan Hale, Bradley Manning “has only one life to give for his country.” And those leading his country seem set on making sure that he gives it.

Manning could have just kept his mouth shut. That’s kind of the whole point behind Wikileaks. It doesn’t work if you don’t keep your mouth shut.

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Looks like a slow-motion death sentence?

Looks like Iran has company in unhuman treatment as the US is clearly becoming a different country. Many had hoped all the illegal conduct would have ended with the Bush Administration but it seems it hasn’t . Wikileak will expose the Banks and there is nothing the US can do about it. We watched soldiers jailed for following Rummy’s torture orders and now a man will lose his life under the Obama Administration.

Looks like Iran has company in unhuman treatment as the US is clearly becoming a different country. Many had hoped all the illegal conduct would have ended with the Bush Administration but it seems it hasn’t . Wikileak will expose the Banks and there is nothing the US can do about it. We watched soldiers jailed for following Rummy’s torture orders and now a man will lose his life under the Obama Administration.

[...] Psychologists protest 'inhumane, harmful' treatment of Bradley … [...]

The doctors can protest all they want. But over 1/3 of Americans want to hide the FILTH, DECAY & DEPRAVITY that have become th US of A from the rest of the world – AND THEY WILL KILL ANYONE to keep it all hidden…

“”rectify the inhumane, harmful, and counterproductive treatment” of the Army private accused of being WikiLeaks’ source for the US State Department cables”

In layman terms, only allowing Manning to be sodomized with a broomstick from 9 to 5……..

Bradley Manning is gay…and the world knows. Inevitably, gay crime suspects are treated more harshly than their hetero counterparts. This also implies that even if innocent, gays are more likely to be judged guilty; meaning that jurors would dismiss all evidence to the contrary (any proof of innocence ignored, no matter how persuasive) in order to exercise a ritual gay bashing. Simply because homophobia remains the most universal of all prejudices…in fact, it may even be a major contribution to all wars, everywhere. This would explain Manning’s arrest, imprisonment, isolation and torture, by the US goverment…all extreme reactions typical of a homophobic response. It may also explain Wikileak’s hesitation to support Mr. Manning, wrapped in some plausible excuse (such as the attack upon their finances in an attempt to fund Assange’s cause; who is, may I remind everyone, blatantly heterosexual, as so boldly advertised by rape charges).

Bradley Manning is gay…and the world knows. Inevitably, gay crime suspects are treated more harshly than their hetero counterparts. This also implies that even if innocent, gays are more likely to be judged guilty; meaning that jurors would dismiss all evidence to the contrary (any proof of innocence ignored, no matter how persuasive) in order to exercise a ritual gay bashing. Simply because homophobia remains the most universal of all prejudices…in fact, it may even be a major contribution to all wars, everywhere. This would explain Manning’s arrest, imprisonment, isolation and torture, by the US goverment…all extreme reactions typical of a homophobic response. It may also explain Wikileak’s hesitation to support Mr. Manning, wrapped in some plausible excuse (such as the attack upon their finances in an attempt to fund Assange’s cause; who is, may I remind everyone, blatantly heterosexual, as so boldly advertised by rape charges).

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A lowly Private had access to all of this sensitive information? If you believe that you might be interested in a bridge in NYC that I have listed for sale!

“Psychologists for Social Responsibility”

Another compound oxymoron.

How does the world know? Has he outed himself? We all know there are plenty of gay people in the military, many are in such denial they won’t even acknowledge it to themselves. The gay bashing and ridicule probably scares them to death to admit it. And how do we know that Assange is not gay, or perhaps a little gay? If Manning appeared to be a “total hetero” he’d still be getting the same treatment. Look at what happened to the White Rose movement. It’s a very similar situation, just different technology. If those beheaded in the White Rose movement were openly gay they probably would have been forced to wear a pink triangle before they met their fate so I’m assuming they weren’t openly gay.
If Manning were openly gay before all of this happened he probably would have been kicked out of the military first. Many parallels to the history of the White Rose movement are happening right now, just no camps yet, as far as we know, right? That’s exactly what the citizens under the 3rd Reich knew nothing about. And IBM computers punched the numbers for the concentration tattoos…

As far as I’m concerned Manning and Assange are no less Heros than
Hans Scholl, Sophie Scholl, Alex Schmorell, Willi Graf, Christoph Probst, Traute Lafrenz, Katharina Schueddekopf, Lieselotte (Lilo) Berndl, Jurgen Wittenstein, Marie-Luise Jahn and Falk Harnack – and the other unsung resistors.
Manning’s fate will directly prove how much trouble the rest of us are in. “Gay”, “Straight’, “Asexual”, or “in Between”, We’d better fight for him!
Fuck Censorship!
“Es lebe die Freiheit!”
Chop!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rose

Exactly! Reminds me of the “justice” of Abu Ghraib!
Oops! I said something wrong,
Let’s just “move forward” now…

All victorious Allied Forces executed Nazis after the War precisely for not doing what Private Manning did do…which was to expose War Crimes against Humanity.
God bless Private Manning and woe to his enemies.

It is impossible that Manning did what they said he did. If he actually got all this personally, it is not he but the security men responsible for his area who should be in jail. They are simply torturing him to get a confession that Assange made him do it.

It is impossible that Manning did what they said he did. If he actually got all this personally, it is not he but the security men responsible for his area who should be in jail. They are simply torturing him to get a confession that Assange made him do it.

It is impossible that Manning did what they said he did. If he actually got all this personally, it is not he but the security men responsible for his area who should be in jail. They are simply torturing him to get a confession that Assange made him do it.

Put him in general population then. I am sure that he will be happier there. Then again who cares.

I care. He has not been convicted of ANYTHING. Just because you have heard he has done something harmful does not mean he has done any such thing. This is un-American torture pure and simple.

I care. He has not been convicted of ANYTHING. Just because you have heard he has done something harmful does not mean he has done any such thing. This is un-American torture pure and simple.

I care. He has not been convicted of ANYTHING. Just because you have heard he has done something harmful does not mean he has done any such thing. This is un-American torture pure and simple.

Wayne, I’m with you on all counts. Torture is why we are hated in this country. Un-American, pure and simple.

Are you out of your mind?

The VERY FIRST line of the Oath of Enlistment is; “I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” You did notice the “domestic” part, right? That means if there is some malfeasance in our government that needs to be uncovered for The People to see, then it’s his DUTY to uncover it.

You may also notice that first line comes BEFORE the line to obey orders of the President and superior officers.

He was required to defend the constitution above ALL!

I suggest you take his place and learn everything about the non reproductive nature of anal sex

Unlike some of the draft-dodging, anti-citizens or just general scumbags commenting here, some of us have actually served in the US military (USAF, USMC) and possess knowledge of the UCMJ.

Under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, Mr. Manning is legally obligated to expose any and all war crimes, and if such war crimes are covered up the America’s high command, to take it to the next level which, during these times of active stoploss within the military (something Obama, among all his other countless and fraudulent promises, hasn’t really changed), that would be the public arena (which Mr. Manning did, with that “Collateral Murder” video release).

Unlike far too many in the US “professional” military today (the only possible exceptions being retired Col. Donald Macgregor and Col. Yingling), Mr. Manning acted honorably and legally.

He is a true hero.

Unlike some of the draft-dodging, anti-citizens or just general scumbags commenting here, some of us have actually served in the US military (USAF, USMC) and possess knowledge of the UCMJ.

Under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, Mr. Manning is legally obligated to expose any and all war crimes, and if such war crimes are covered up the America’s high command, to take it to the next level which, during these times of active stoploss within the military (something Obama, among all his other countless and fraudulent promises, hasn’t really changed), that would be the public arena (which Mr. Manning did, with that “Collateral Murder” video release).

Unlike far too many in the US “professional” military today (the only possible exceptions being retired Col. Donald Macgregor and Col. Yingling), Mr. Manning acted honorably and legally.

He is a true hero.

Exactly, Mr. Wayne, and under Article 13, which the Pentagon and commander-in-thief Obama now stand in direct violation of, Mr. Manning shouldn’t be treated the way he has, but given a speedy court martial — which, under the entire UCMJ, he shouldn’t be standing in the first place as he fulfilled his legal obligation by reporting war crimes.

China, the Iranian mullahs and the American corporate fascist state — what’s the difference.

Hey, I got a tower in Paris on offer…

Trade?

Hey, I got a tower in Paris on offer…

Trade?

Ever met a girl who could keep ‘mum’?

Ever met a girl who could keep ‘mum’?

But Manning was supposed to be on ‘our’ side?

glad to see that there are a handful of decent people who are psychiatrists or psychologists. in 2007, the APA voted 72-28 to continue assisting the US torturers at gitmo and in rendition. and it was CIA spychiatrists who developed MK Ultra, the core torture and brainwashing tech of the US since the 1950s and to this day… shock treatments daily with heavy drugging, solitary, subliminal messaging, bright/dark, hot/cold… you get the picture.

but hey, at least a few good eggs are shrinks, apparently.

the history of militarism is crystal clear for the past 5,000 years… mass-murder, massacre, slaughter, extermination programs, genocide, torture, endless wars, ever-increasing power of weaponry to the point of planet-death capability. militarism is rabies and needs to be quarantined.

military is fond of saying it ‘protects and defends our freedom and democracy.’ thing is, this has nothing to do with freedom or democracy; rather it is fiefdom and demockery. any reading of history shows that the praetorian guard just allows caesars and senate to pose as if they had any power; which they simply do not. the praetorians always get their way or else…

I care

I care

(Assange)…”who is, may I remind everyone, blatantly heterosexual, as so boldly advertised by rape charges).”

Meaningless. Assange could just as easily be bisexual. Surely you are not relying on press reports to arrive at conclusions about his sexuality. Mainstream media reports can be harmful or fatal if swallowed. Consult your physician.

torture is very american, always was and now the US is the world’s biggest operator of torture chambers… many seem not to realize that obama re-authorized the bush CIA rendition program of globally outsourced torture chambers on february 1, 2009. throughout the indian wars begun by washington and ending only in 1900 when barely 1 million indians (out of 15 million in ‘america’ in 1500), were left alive and these were mostly in concentration camps called reservations. torture of native peoples was a commonplace for the army. torture of slaves was typical. torture in america’s prisions has always been there.

torture is very american, always was and now the US is the world’s biggest operator of torture chambers… many seem not to realize that obama re-authorized the bush CIA rendition program of globally outsourced torture chambers on february 1, 2009. throughout the indian wars begun by washington and ending only in 1900 when barely 1 million indians (out of 15 million in ‘america’ in 1500), were left alive and these were mostly in concentration camps called reservations. torture of native peoples was a commonplace for the army. torture of slaves was typical. torture in america’s prisions has always been there.

torture is very american, always was and now the US is the world’s biggest operator of torture chambers… many seem not to realize that obama re-authorized the bush CIA rendition program of globally outsourced torture chambers on february 1, 2009. throughout the indian wars begun by washington and ending only in 1900 when barely 1 million indians (out of 15 million in ‘america’ in 1500), were left alive and these were mostly in concentration camps called reservations. torture of native peoples was a commonplace for the army. torture of slaves was typical. torture in america’s prisions has always been there.

that and for utterly endless wars in which 70% of the deaths are civilian, defenseless men, women, children, babies… babies machine-gunned or macheted lying on a muddy road in a place called my lai… which as hersh said at that time was just one of some 220 other my lais in ‘operation hamlet.’

that and for utterly endless wars in which 70% of the deaths are civilian, defenseless men, women, children, babies… babies machine-gunned or macheted lying on a muddy road in a place called my lai… which as hersh said at that time was just one of some 220 other my lais in ‘operation hamlet.’

that and for utterly endless wars in which 70% of the deaths are civilian, defenseless men, women, children, babies… babies machine-gunned or macheted lying on a muddy road in a place called my lai… which as hersh said at that time was just one of some 220 other my lais in ‘operation hamlet.’

yes and anyone who bought the official story on 911 that enabled these war crimes likely also believes that television wrestling is on the level…

yes and anyone who bought the official story on 911 that enabled these war crimes likely also believes that television wrestling is on the level…

yes and anyone who bought the official story on 911 that enabled these war crimes likely also believes that television wrestling is on the level…

oh, you mean the NYPD’s famous dildoe?

oh, you mean the NYPD’s famous dildoe?

oh, you mean the NYPD’s famous dildoe?

even the vicious indian-killer george washington said “a democratic society cannot long exist in the presence of a standing army.” and that was 235 years of standing army ago. and considering that the indian wars only ended in 1900… the US has had just 40 years of peace if you can call that peace… like backing the fascist federico franco from 1935-1977… etc. ad infinitum.

even the vicious indian-killer george washington said “a democratic society cannot long exist in the presence of a standing army.” and that was 235 years of standing army ago. and considering that the indian wars only ended in 1900… the US has had just 40 years of peace if you can call that peace… like backing the fascist federico franco from 1935-1977… etc. ad infinitum.

even the vicious indian-killer george washington said “a democratic society cannot long exist in the presence of a standing army.” and that was 235 years of standing army ago. and considering that the indian wars only ended in 1900… the US has had just 40 years of peace if you can call that peace… like backing the fascist federico franco from 1935-1977… etc. ad infinitum.

Another reason he may be singled out for mistreatment. He is openly atheist. The army is rife with evangelicals today, so much so that atheists or anyone else who doesn’t conform is ostracized. See Jeff Sharlet’s Harper’s article Jesus killed Mohammed: The crusade for a Christian military http://www.harpers.org/archive/2009/05/0082488

(10:12:57 AM) Lamo: are you baptist by any chance?
(10:13:34 AM) Manning: raised catholic… never believed a word of it
(10:13:59 AM) Manning: im godless… i guess i follow humanist values though
(10:14:15 AM) Manning: have custom dogtags that say “Humanist” [...]
(10:17:56 AM) Manning: i was the only non-religous person in town
(10:18:17 AM) Manning: more pews than people…
(10:18:37 AM) Manning: i understand them though
(10:18:53 AM) Manning: im not mean to them… they *really* don’t know
(10:19:39 AM) Manning: i politely disagree… but they are the ones who get uncomfortable when i make, very politely, good leading points…
(10:20:48 AM) Manning: (by leading points, i mean ask multiple questions, with obvious answers, then ask a question based on the answers from the previous questions that challenges their normal response to the same question)
(10:21:26 AM) Manning: [excellent example of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yhN1IDLQjo
(10:28:21 AM) Manning: new yorker is running 10k word article on wl.org on 30 may, btw
(10:33:07 AM) Lamo: one moment fone
(10:33:30 AM) Manning: (tracking device)
(10:37:28 AM) Manning: trust level increasing? [quantify]

Another reason he may be singled out for mistreatment. He is openly atheist. The army is rife with evangelicals today, so much so that atheists or anyone else who doesn’t conform is ostracized. See Jeff Sharlet’s Harper’s article Jesus killed Mohammed: The crusade for a Christian military http://www.harpers.org/archive/2009/05/0082488

(10:12:57 AM) Lamo: are you baptist by any chance?
(10:13:34 AM) Manning: raised catholic… never believed a word of it
(10:13:59 AM) Manning: im godless… i guess i follow humanist values though
(10:14:15 AM) Manning: have custom dogtags that say “Humanist” [...]
(10:17:56 AM) Manning: i was the only non-religous person in town
(10:18:17 AM) Manning: more pews than people…
(10:18:37 AM) Manning: i understand them though
(10:18:53 AM) Manning: im not mean to them… they *really* don’t know
(10:19:39 AM) Manning: i politely disagree… but they are the ones who get uncomfortable when i make, very politely, good leading points…
(10:20:48 AM) Manning: (by leading points, i mean ask multiple questions, with obvious answers, then ask a question based on the answers from the previous questions that challenges their normal response to the same question)
(10:21:26 AM) Manning: [excellent example of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yhN1IDLQjo
(10:28:21 AM) Manning: new yorker is running 10k word article on wl.org on 30 may, btw
(10:33:07 AM) Lamo: one moment fone
(10:33:30 AM) Manning: (tracking device)
(10:37:28 AM) Manning: trust level increasing? [quantify]

Another reason he may be singled out for mistreatment. He is openly atheist. The army is rife with evangelicals today, so much so that atheists or anyone else who doesn’t conform is ostracized. See Jeff Sharlet’s Harper’s article Jesus killed Mohammed: The crusade for a Christian military http://www.harpers.org/archive/2009/05/0082488

(10:12:57 AM) Lamo: are you baptist by any chance?
(10:13:34 AM) Manning: raised catholic… never believed a word of it
(10:13:59 AM) Manning: im godless… i guess i follow humanist values though
(10:14:15 AM) Manning: have custom dogtags that say “Humanist” [...]
(10:17:56 AM) Manning: i was the only non-religous person in town
(10:18:17 AM) Manning: more pews than people…
(10:18:37 AM) Manning: i understand them though
(10:18:53 AM) Manning: im not mean to them… they *really* don’t know
(10:19:39 AM) Manning: i politely disagree… but they are the ones who get uncomfortable when i make, very politely, good leading points…
(10:20:48 AM) Manning: (by leading points, i mean ask multiple questions, with obvious answers, then ask a question based on the answers from the previous questions that challenges their normal response to the same question)
(10:21:26 AM) Manning: [excellent example of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yhN1IDLQjo
(10:28:21 AM) Manning: new yorker is running 10k word article on wl.org on 30 may, btw
(10:33:07 AM) Lamo: one moment fone
(10:33:30 AM) Manning: (tracking device)
(10:37:28 AM) Manning: trust level increasing? [quantify]

indeed, according to the DoJ’s own study and other documentation, it was america’s richest industrialists (specifically the usual suspects of that time, rockefeller/kennedy/dupont/chrysler/ford/carnegie/GM routed via BB&H of wall street with senator prescott bush as an officer… BBH convicted of ‘trading with the enemy’ in 19452, FDR having watched this for years…), who made the nazi empire possible at all by giving them billions and tank factories when they hadn’t even had a pot to piss in before…

BBC did two great shows which may still be available as videos, ‘banking on hitler’ about who backed the nazis and ‘banking with hitler’ about where all the nazi loot went.

indeed, according to the DoJ’s own study and other documentation, it was america’s richest industrialists (specifically the usual suspects of that time, rockefeller/kennedy/dupont/chrysler/ford/carnegie/GM routed via BB&H of wall street with senator prescott bush as an officer… BBH convicted of ‘trading with the enemy’ in 19452, FDR having watched this for years…), who made the nazi empire possible at all by giving them billions and tank factories when they hadn’t even had a pot to piss in before…

BBC did two great shows which may still be available as videos, ‘banking on hitler’ about who backed the nazis and ‘banking with hitler’ about where all the nazi loot went.

indeed, according to the DoJ’s own study and other documentation, it was america’s richest industrialists (specifically the usual suspects of that time, rockefeller/kennedy/dupont/chrysler/ford/carnegie/GM routed via BB&H of wall street with senator prescott bush as an officer… BBH convicted of ‘trading with the enemy’ in 19452, FDR having watched this for years…), who made the nazi empire possible at all by giving them billions and tank factories when they hadn’t even had a pot to piss in before…

BBC did two great shows which may still be available as videos, ‘banking on hitler’ about who backed the nazis and ‘banking with hitler’ about where all the nazi loot went.

Name the law, conclusive proof of breaking it and a record of his conviction on any count.

Name the law, conclusive proof of breaking it and a record of his conviction on any count.

Name the law, conclusive proof of breaking it and a record of his conviction on any count.

I care. He is a hero.

I care. He is a hero.

I care. He is a hero.

I care. He is a hero.

I was simply remarking on the psychological implications, and how society/military/gov’t reacts. Assange has been presented to the world as heterosexual. There are many in this world who still regard homosexuality as a far worse crime than rape or murder.

PS: I agree with you, that his atheism may also play a hand in his mistreatment. Though if so, hardly anywhere near as much as his homosexuality…simply because gays suffer more violence and persecution than do atheists. And yes, I realize that Christians are actively working towards turning our military into “God’s Army”. Margaret Atwood seems to have hit the nail on the head, with her novel “The Handmaid’s Tale”. Scary prophecy.

Yes, Manning has outed himself to the press…thus, to the world. Otherwise, he would not be so widely covered in our gay press. Were Manning hetero, I suggested that the crude treatment against him may /not/ have been so severe. But when you throw in the mix, his being a gay upstart in the face of a military juggernaut, no doubt there are additional “extras” in this package of punishments. Just because /you/ are fair minded, does not at all mean his persecutors are blind to his gay aspect, as well.

You bring up the White Rose movement. Now, I’ll bring up the very likely circumstance of Jews under a Nazi regime, turning in their own homosexuals in hopes of sparing their own (heterosexual) friends and family. Many heroes of WWII regarded Nazis as homosexual perverts. It is still seen by the world at large, that an effective way to vilify a perceived enemy is to call them “homosexual”.

Therefore, to disregard the homosexual aspect as a likely contributor to Manning’s mistreatment, is another form of homophobia, albeit subtle. As if it were irrelevant to the ugly situation at hand. As if gays don’t really matter at all. I sincerely doubt that Bradley’s cruel treatment would be half as wicked, were he a blatant hetero.

Yes, Manning has outed himself to the press…thus, to the world. Otherwise, he would not be so widely covered in our gay press. Were Manning hetero, I suggested that the crude treatment against him may /not/ have been so severe. But when you throw in the mix, his being a gay upstart in the face of a military juggernaut, no doubt there are additional “extras” in this package of punishments. Just because /you/ are fair minded, does not at all mean his persecutors are blind to his gay aspect, as well.

You bring up the White Rose movement. Now, I’ll bring up the very likely circumstance of Jews under a Nazi regime, turning in their own homosexuals in hopes of sparing their own (heterosexual) friends and family. Many heroes of WWII regarded Nazis as homosexual perverts. It is still seen by the world at large, that an effective way to vilify a perceived enemy is to call them “homosexual”.

Therefore, to disregard the homosexual aspect as a likely contributor to Manning’s mistreatment, is another form of homophobia, albeit subtle. As if it were irrelevant to the ugly situation at hand. As if gays don’t really matter at all. I sincerely doubt that Bradley’s cruel treatment would be half as wicked, were he a blatant hetero.

Yes, Manning has outed himself to the press…thus, to the world. Otherwise, he would not be so widely covered in our gay press. Were Manning hetero, I suggested that the crude treatment against him may /not/ have been so severe. But when you throw in the mix, his being a gay upstart in the face of a military juggernaut, no doubt there are additional “extras” in this package of punishments. Just because /you/ are fair minded, does not at all mean his persecutors are blind to his gay aspect, as well.

You bring up the White Rose movement. Now, I’ll bring up the very likely circumstance of Jews under a Nazi regime, turning in their own homosexuals in hopes of sparing their own (heterosexual) friends and family. Many heroes of WWII regarded Nazis as homosexual perverts. It is still seen by the world at large, that an effective way to vilify a perceived enemy is to call them “homosexual”.

Therefore, to disregard the homosexual aspect as a likely contributor to Manning’s mistreatment, is another form of homophobia, albeit subtle. As if it were irrelevant to the ugly situation at hand. As if gays don’t really matter at all. I sincerely doubt that Bradley’s cruel treatment would be half as wicked, were he a blatant hetero.

Simply compare the treatment of Assange, a blatant hetero with Manning, an out-of-closet queer. Who is receiving the worst treatment, by a long shot. Who is being tortured, and who isn’t. Find that both are equally heroic in your eyes…but this is to ignore an important aspect that seems to pollute the issue: homophobia. Remember Pastor Niemöller famous quote: “First they came for the communists…etc.”? Nowhere in that quotation are homosexuals mentioned.

Selective prejudice. Instead of giving some consideration to the added complexity of homoexuality to Manning’s dire situation (now that you know), you immediately respond with a kneejerk “that’s-irrelevant” response. So I should shut up, eh? Like a good little f*ggot.

Simply compare the treatment of Assange, a blatant hetero with Manning, an out-of-closet queer. Who is receiving the worst treatment, by a long shot. Who is being tortured, and who isn’t. Find that both are equally heroic in your eyes…but this is to ignore an important aspect that seems to pollute the issue: homophobia. Remember Pastor Niemöller famous quote: “First they came for the communists…etc.”? Nowhere in that quotation are homosexuals mentioned.

Selective prejudice. Instead of giving some consideration to the added complexity of homoexuality to Manning’s dire situation (now that you know), you immediately respond with a kneejerk “that’s-irrelevant” response. So I should shut up, eh? Like a good little f*ggot.

Interesting that you slip Adrian Lamo’s name into this thread…who is a practicing Jehovah’s witness. Also, he’s gay, like Manning. What do you think of Lamo turning in Manning to the gov’t? Was that a betrayal of trust? Or perhaps Lamo–having just gotten out from under the rug with his own run-in with justice, as a notorious hacker in his own right–was put in a highly compromising and unasked position by Manning, really had no other choice? Why would Manning confide in someone under such pressure to keep his nose clean, in the first place? Sheer nervousness, anxiety…perhaps a psychological disorder? Obviously, Manning does not deserve imprisonment, isolation or torture, no matter what the motive…but I am interested in what opinions others may have regarding the Lamo-Manning connection.

I met Adrian some years back (1992?) at a 2600 gathering in downtown San Francisco, and hanged out with him for a few hours. I have to say, he was rather jittery and withdrawn…in a way that was annoying. And that because of this, no way would I trust him with confidential info. Then again, I don’t think Manning ever met Lamo in person.

Interesting that you slip Adrian Lamo’s name into this thread…who is a practicing Jehovah’s witness. Also, he’s gay, like Manning. What do you think of Lamo turning in Manning to the gov’t? Was that a betrayal of trust? Or perhaps Lamo–having just gotten out from under the rug with his own run-in with justice, as a notorious hacker in his own right–was put in a highly compromising and unasked position by Manning, really had no other choice? Why would Manning confide in someone under such pressure to keep his nose clean, in the first place? Sheer nervousness, anxiety…perhaps a psychological disorder? Obviously, Manning does not deserve imprisonment, isolation or torture, no matter what the motive…but I am interested in what opinions others may have regarding the Lamo-Manning connection.

I met Adrian some years back (1992?) at a 2600 gathering in downtown San Francisco, and hanged out with him for a few hours. I have to say, he was rather jittery and withdrawn…in a way that was annoying. And that because of this, no way would I trust him with confidential info. Then again, I don’t think Manning ever met Lamo in person.

[...] Raw Story reports: A psychologists’ group has sent a letter to Defense Secretary Robert Gates asking him to “rectify the inhumane, harmful, and counterproductive treatment” of the Army private accused of being WikiLeaks’ source for the US State Department cables. [...]

a “prevention of injury” order??? Double speak for we are going to kill you.

a “prevention of injury” order??? Double speak for we are going to kill you.

a “prevention of injury” order??? Double speak for we are going to kill you.

Reporting a corporate christian war crime…. should NEVER be a crime.

Reporting a corporate christian war crime…. should NEVER be a crime.

Reporting a corporate christian war crime…. should NEVER be a crime.

Reporting a corporate christian war crime…. should NEVER be a crime.

Very true… now days Obomber protects them (CIA and others) from prosecution by using the same words the Nazis used for there “defense”. ” they were only following orders”.

Very true… now days Obomber protects them (CIA and others) from prosecution by using the same words the Nazis used for there “defense”. ” they were only following orders”.

Very true… now days Obomber protects them (CIA and others) from prosecution by using the same words the Nazis used for there “defense”. ” they were only following orders”.

Very true… now days Obomber protects them (CIA and others) from prosecution by using the same words the Nazis used for there “defense”. ” they were only following orders”.

exposing corporate christian war crimes should never be a crime, and only a criminal thinker would say so.

More than simple solitary confinement, the conditions that BM is being subjected to are psychologically designed to mentally break someone down. When you see videos of guards dressed in full padded gear with welder-style face masks handling an inmate, that is not to protect them but to further deprive the prisoner of any nurturing human contact. Prisoner is prevented from exercising or therapeutically moving within his cell – guards appear and punish him if he does. Sleep is restricted, along with control of cold, light, and sound. Months of this and people break down.
Let’s hope that this example sees the light of public opinion and becomes the beginning of the end of torture and inhumane treatment of the detained.

like any honorable non-crimial thinking human would. The only crime I see is the one that makes REPORTING corporate, christian, self-serving, ass lapping, baby killing, crimials, a crime.

FYI for those who didn’t know that Bradley Manning is homosexual, the following links. In fact, he was open and out long before joining the military. His being gay was no secret to anyone, not even the military. Therefore, we must consider homophobia a major aspect in our gov’t's abusive treatment towards Mr. Manning.

Did WikiLeaker Bradley Manning Leak Documents Because Of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell?
http://www.businessinsider.com/did-wikileaker-manning-leak-documents-because-of-dont-ask-dont-tell-2010-12

NYT on Wikileaks Pfc. Bradley Manning’s Troubled Gay Past
http://www.towleroad.com/2010/08/nyt-on-wikileaks-pfc-bradley-mannings-troubled-gay-past.html

Bradley Manning: Poster boy for ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=235045

U.S. Army Wikileaker Private Bradley Manning Outed As A Homosexual With A History Of Gay Rights Activism
http://alaskapride.blogspot.com/2010/08/us-army-wikileaker-private-bradley.html

The Roots of Bradley Manning
http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/12/07/the-roots-of-bradley-manning/

Afghan War Leak’s Real Victims? LGBT Americans
http://gayrights.change.org/blog/view/afghan_war_leaks_real_victims_lgbt_americans

T: Sickening and that little w. guy and his band of thieves, liars, and warmongers said, “They hate us for our freedoms.” Babies dead of our machine guns, or machetes. We must keep our filthy wars going to feed the MIC. Disgusting.

Yet the true criminals/traitors who invaded two countries based on lies and are responsible for untold death, destruction and suffering remain free and receiving government pensions and health care benefits for the rest of their lives!

Yet the true criminals/traitors who invaded two countries based on lies and are responsible for untold death, destruction and suffering remain free and receiving government pensions and health care benefits for the rest of their lives!

“In any case, PFC Manning has not been convicted of a crime and, under our system of justice, is at this point presumed to be innocent.”

Really? In the FUCKED UP United States of AmeriKKKa where fucking pussies run everything and give in to the cocksucking Retarded FUCKING REPUKES!

Give me a fucking break!

“In any case, PFC Manning has not been convicted of a crime and, under our system of justice, is at this point presumed to be innocent.”

Really? In the FUCKED UP United States of AmeriKKKa where fucking pussies run everything and give in to the cocksucking Retarded FUCKING REPUKES!

Give me a fucking break!

[...] Psychologists for Social Responsibility send letter to Robert Gates protesting inhumane treatment of Bradley [...]

At least now our nation’s torture policies are carried out openly and on our own soil. Is this the sort of “transparency” the President spoke of upon taking office?

I dunno. I cant quite swallow this story of a private who downloads tons of confidential files on a Lady Gaga disc and sends it off to Wikileaks, just like that. He is also painted as a gay, athiest liberal. I wonder if he is a mere product, an avatar and a name, sent out by the CIA. Sure would be convenient.

Republicans aren’t c*cksuckers, they’re c*ckblockers. Furthermore, your “manly” use of a homophobic slur is /not/ appreciated. It only serves to further embed a cruel prejudice. If you can’t come up with an expletive that does not degrade another group, then you are no asset to our cause. Remember: Bradley Manning himself is a “c*cksucker”.

Republicans aren’t c*cksuckers, they’re c*ckblockers. Furthermore, your “manly” use of a homophobic slur is /not/ appreciated. It only serves to further embed a cruel prejudice. If you can’t come up with an expletive that does not degrade another group, then you are no asset to our cause. Remember: Bradley Manning himself is a “c*cksucker”.

More likely, what will happen is that repeated exposure to stories about this sort of treatment will simply redefine incarceration in the eyes of the public. That way, it won’t be seen as cruel and unusual anymore — it will just be cruel. Just as “24″ taught millions of freedom-loving Americans that it’s totally fine to kill, maim and torture in the name of stopping the rhetorical “ticking time bomb,” a new generation will be raised on the idea that going to prison, even prior to trial or conviction, means being locked down 23/7 and denied even the most basic elements of human decency.

This is the world we live in; public opinion no longer means jack shit to those in charge.

More likely, what will happen is that repeated exposure to stories about this sort of treatment will simply redefine incarceration in the eyes of the public. That way, it won’t be seen as cruel and unusual anymore — it will just be cruel. Just as “24″ taught millions of freedom-loving Americans that it’s totally fine to kill, maim and torture in the name of stopping the rhetorical “ticking time bomb,” a new generation will be raised on the idea that going to prison, even prior to trial or conviction, means being locked down 23/7 and denied even the most basic elements of human decency.

This is the world we live in; public opinion no longer means jack shit to those in charge.

Larry Craig would disagree, as would Mark Foley and a whole host of folks in a log cabin.

There is NO EVIDENCE that he did anything!

He *supposedly* boasted in a private chat that he did something. Nobody except Manning, Lamo, and Wired has seen that *supposed* conversation. Lamo is highly suspect as a source of information, and if Wired truly had something hot, they would have published it for the attempt at a Pulitzer Prize.

If the military had any hard evidence at all that Manning actually did something illegal, he would have been charged with it, and more charges added later. Since they have possession of his person and his property and his contacts and his electronic history, yet have not found enough evidence of criminal activity despite spending the better part of a year in the high priority search, we have reasonable expectation that there is no evidence… not enough to charge much less convict.

Manning has been convicted in the media, but not a Court of Law. If his mind breaks under torture (and there are many ways to torture without leaving marks, including sleeplessness and isolation), Manning will never get a fair trial if he can stand trial at all.

We need to hold off on either praise or condemnation until proof is offered. Meanwhile, we can do what is possible for a young man suffering in silence and alone while our government tries to break him. Agitating for humane conditions while he is held is a good start.

A homophobic slander.

So much for a fair “swift” trial huh?

I didn’t know about Manning outing himself to the press. Thanks for the info. I totally agree with you although I think another reason that Manning has it worse off than Assange is because he is in the hands of the U.S., not just the U.S. but the U.S. military… and for being an outed homosexual in a U.S. MILITARY prison… it’s got to be hell for him. I’m not gay but if I was I don’t know if I’d have the balls to out myself, especially to the press. All I can say is Bradley Manning is the MAN! When Rabbis or Muslim Clerics or christian preachers (esp priests) go on their anti-gay rants, it’s so hypocritical. Especially in the context of the Nazis of WW2. We heteros are the fucking breeders of the planet and more people means more pollution and more problems because most fucking people are so easily brainwashed and afraid. I have respect for all my gay friends because of the shit they have to endure on most parts of this planet. If I were in the military I’d prefer my friends to be openly gay (as opposed to repressed Football player in denial asshole gay) because I would trust them more than those yahoos who crush cars with tanks and generally act disrespectful to others. If you are gay and join the military, you have guts and you probably care about what you are doing as opposed to being some fuck up looking for money and violent bromance. I still think the military sucks obviously, I’m not naive, and apparently Bradley Manning, or whoever released some of the suppressed US war criminal footage – he’s not proven “guilty” yet, has proven my opinion to me all the more. After the Abu Ghraib photos came out the U.S. should have had a serious tribunal and prosecuted the motherfuckers who were in charge and then gotten the fuck out of the Middle East. But it just continues and we are basically up shit creek. And every time they go after the privates, and now an openly gay private. I totally agree with you. The big question should be “how did a private have access to such “confidential” information. The bigger question, of course, is why are we wasting all this money on war crimes? Killing civilians! WTF? This trial is really important. Manning needs to talk, not be tortured, not vilified. But then you watch tee vee and realize that we are so fucked! Anyway, I doubt my rant is enlightening you about anything you don’t already know, but I just wanna say that I totally agree with you now. I didn’t know that Manning was out. Sick and Twisted to support our poops. Support Manning and Troops who care. They are being so used. Cut taxes? Cut illegal violent occupation spending! Thanx for your posts.

I didn’t know about Manning outing himself to the press. Thanks for the info. I totally agree with you although I think another reason that Manning has it worse off than Assange is because he is in the hands of the U.S., not just the U.S. but the U.S. military… and for being an outed homosexual in a U.S. MILITARY prison… it’s got to be hell for him. I’m not gay but if I was I don’t know if I’d have the balls to out myself, especially to the press. All I can say is Bradley Manning is the MAN! When Rabbis or Muslim Clerics or christian preachers (esp priests) go on their anti-gay rants, it’s so hypocritical. Especially in the context of the Nazis of WW2. We heteros are the fucking breeders of the planet and more people means more pollution and more problems because most fucking people are so easily brainwashed and afraid. I have respect for all my gay friends because of the shit they have to endure on most parts of this planet. If I were in the military I’d prefer my friends to be openly gay (as opposed to repressed Football player in denial asshole gay) because I would trust them more than those yahoos who crush cars with tanks and generally act disrespectful to others. If you are gay and join the military, you have guts and you probably care about what you are doing as opposed to being some fuck up looking for money and violent bromance. I still think the military sucks obviously, I’m not naive, and apparently Bradley Manning, or whoever released some of the suppressed US war criminal footage – he’s not proven “guilty” yet, has proven my opinion to me all the more. After the Abu Ghraib photos came out the U.S. should have had a serious tribunal and prosecuted the motherfuckers who were in charge and then gotten the fuck out of the Middle East. But it just continues and we are basically up shit creek. And every time they go after the privates, and now an openly gay private. I totally agree with you. The big question should be “how did a private have access to such “confidential” information. The bigger question, of course, is why are we wasting all this money on war crimes? Killing civilians! WTF? This trial is really important. Manning needs to talk, not be tortured, not vilified. But then you watch tee vee and realize that we are so fucked! Anyway, I doubt my rant is enlightening you about anything you don’t already know, but I just wanna say that I totally agree with you now. I didn’t know that Manning was out. Sick and Twisted to support our poops. Support Manning and Troops who care. They are being so used. Cut taxes? Cut illegal violent occupation spending! Thanx for your posts.

I didn’t know about Manning outing himself to the press. Thanks for the info. I totally agree with you although I think another reason that Manning has it worse off than Assange is because he is in the hands of the U.S., not just the U.S. but the U.S. military… and for being an outed homosexual in a U.S. MILITARY prison… it’s got to be hell for him. I’m not gay but if I was I don’t know if I’d have the balls to out myself, especially to the press. All I can say is Bradley Manning is the MAN! When Rabbis or Muslim Clerics or christian preachers (esp priests) go on their anti-gay rants, it’s so hypocritical. Especially in the context of the Nazis of WW2. We heteros are the fucking breeders of the planet and more people means more pollution and more problems because most fucking people are so easily brainwashed and afraid. I have respect for all my gay friends because of the shit they have to endure on most parts of this planet. If I were in the military I’d prefer my friends to be openly gay (as opposed to repressed Football player in denial asshole gay) because I would trust them more than those yahoos who crush cars with tanks and generally act disrespectful to others. If you are gay and join the military, you have guts and you probably care about what you are doing as opposed to being some fuck up looking for money and violent bromance. I still think the military sucks obviously, I’m not naive, and apparently Bradley Manning, or whoever released some of the suppressed US war criminal footage – he’s not proven “guilty” yet, has proven my opinion to me all the more. After the Abu Ghraib photos came out the U.S. should have had a serious tribunal and prosecuted the motherfuckers who were in charge and then gotten the fuck out of the Middle East. But it just continues and we are basically up shit creek. And every time they go after the privates, and now an openly gay private. I totally agree with you. The big question should be “how did a private have access to such “confidential” information. The bigger question, of course, is why are we wasting all this money on war crimes? Killing civilians! WTF? This trial is really important. Manning needs to talk, not be tortured, not vilified. But then you watch tee vee and realize that we are so fucked! Anyway, I doubt my rant is enlightening you about anything you don’t already know, but I just wanna say that I totally agree with you now. I didn’t know that Manning was out. Sick and Twisted to support our poops. Support Manning and Troops who care. They are being so used. Cut taxes? Cut illegal violent occupation spending! Thanx for your posts.

Don’t ever shut up!

“Reproductive nature of anal sex”? Is it really so important to you, that every single sex act must lead to producing yet one more unwanted child in this lousy planet? Do you think heteros /don’t/ also engage in anal sex? You don’t have a clue, do you? So all you’re left with, is espousing further hatred and untruth. Typical Amerikan. Typical hetero Amerikan.

Wow! Again thanx for your posts and don’t ever shut up! “hanged out” -”freudian” slip! Fucking Lamo! Now I wanna know more!

I wish you were in charge of the U.S. military Sarge!

“Interesting that you slip Adrian Lamo’s name into this thread…”
How can one mention one without the other. Lemo is inextricably entwined in this story. His reputation as a hacker is that he is known as a crappy one and he also is known to be a major attention whore.
“Then again, I don’t think Manning ever met Lamo in person.”
Probably not, though it is not possible to say for sure. Also, Manning is pretty young and possibly naive, or was at the time. However, he seems pretty astute, judging from the dialogue in the chat logs, assuming they are not forged. I suspect Manning was sitting on such a red hot secret that he couldn’t contain it and had to spill his guts, if indeed the story is even true to begin with.

“Interesting that you slip Adrian Lamo’s name into this thread…”
How can one mention one without the other. Lemo is inextricably entwined in this story. His reputation as a hacker is that he is known as a crappy one and he also is known to be a major attention whore.
“Then again, I don’t think Manning ever met Lamo in person.”
Probably not, though it is not possible to say for sure. Also, Manning is pretty young and possibly naive, or was at the time. However, he seems pretty astute, judging from the dialogue in the chat logs, assuming they are not forged. I suspect Manning was sitting on such a red hot secret that he couldn’t contain it and had to spill his guts, if indeed the story is even true to begin with.

“Interesting that you slip Adrian Lamo’s name into this thread…”
How can one mention one without the other. Lemo is inextricably entwined in this story. His reputation as a hacker is that he is known as a crappy one and he also is known to be a major attention whore.
“Then again, I don’t think Manning ever met Lamo in person.”
Probably not, though it is not possible to say for sure. Also, Manning is pretty young and possibly naive, or was at the time. However, he seems pretty astute, judging from the dialogue in the chat logs, assuming they are not forged. I suspect Manning was sitting on such a red hot secret that he couldn’t contain it and had to spill his guts, if indeed the story is even true to begin with.

Yes, and the combination would certainly attract some heat, wouldn’t it. An antiwar, gay atheist. Yikes.

Yes, and the combination would certainly attract some heat, wouldn’t it. An antiwar, gay atheist. Yikes.

Yes, and the combination would certainly attract some heat, wouldn’t it. An antiwar, gay atheist. Yikes.

I might have to disagree with that. At least to me cocksucking is cocksucking, I don’t consider it to be a slur. I don’t care if you’re a “cocksucker” or not, only if you are one but don’t admit it and vilify others that are. Or actually even if you aren’t one but vilify others that are. Perhaps more people should be cocksuckers, it just might ease up the world’s human overpopulation problems. People (male or female) should be proud to be a cocksucker! It just might relieve repressed violent tensions. I’m not advocating promiscuity though. You want to be safe… then again, holding your chi and using sexual energies for other activities is something to be considered as well. But not to the point of neurosis… Republicans tend to pretend to be cockblockers and act as “pious” cockblockers, but most like that get caught literally cocksucking and figuratively they’re often promiscuous cocksuckers to get ahead… figurative corporate whore cocksuckers? Bradley Manning may be a literal c*cksucker, I’m not sure if we really know, but he’s not a cocksucker to corporate nazi media bullshit that covers up war crimes. A lot of women are cocksuckers and their men appreciate that I’m sure altho some aren’t. I understand your point though… I’m just throwing the semantics out there.
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Your response is much appreciated. As a gay activist of /many/ years, I take it upon myself to raise the public consciousness as to the utter /relevance/ of gay heroes in our midst…in a time when the media for the most part, continues to suppress that aspect. As if only heteros could be heroes! A few years ago, I challenged this breeder dogma satirically in essay “Taelons = Queer Stereotypes“. I will continue to do my best, in keeping netizens aware whenever a hero arises that is also a member of the sexual minority. Sooo important in my understanding of things political. Regardless of how many (a majority, still) continue to trivialize the role of homosexuality in the progress of human civil rights. Again, thanks.

Quote: “Don’t ever shut up!”

Not to worry. The love of my life, BTW, was a Marine, wartime & peacetime hero, /and/ gay activist. You can learn about him here.

Quote: “Don’t ever shut up!”

Not to worry. The love of my life, BTW, was a Marine, wartime & peacetime hero, /and/ gay activist. You can learn about him here.

We are of the same mind when it comes to our opinion of Mr. Lamo. :P I’m sure his fate will be played out in the public laundry, in due time. Thanks for your insights.

One thing I learned a long, long time ago: you can’t win an argument against someone who isn’t particularly bright. So I won’t bother, here. Feel free to continue defending anti-gay slurs under the false premise that you are opposing the Politically Correct Police. A premise exclusively reserved for the right wing…which members aren’t particularly bright.

Every minority suffers its turncoats, the LGBT crowd no exception. No hole can be dug deep enough on this planet, to serve as an apt metaphor on how low an opinion I have of the Log Cabin Republicans. Because they aren’t just dirt; they are lower than dirt.

It’s such a strange world.

This is what happens when the United States presidency is couped by a banana republic
asshole, and the military decides to salute him as CIC. You concerned libs out there, better realize, you cannot have it both ways.
You cannot have an illegitimate foreigner in the office of president, and a legitimate military
at the same time. The president is the Commander In Chief. If he’s a fake, your military will
flip to corrupt. If he’s not, he’ll make sure it doesn’t.
Obama voters begged for the Wikileaks/Assange/Manning debacle and it’s going to get worse.
If you put a thug in office, you will get thug minions in the military, because he will order it,
and all they do is take orders.

This is what happens when the United States presidency is couped by a banana republic
asshole, and the military decides to salute him as CIC. You concerned libs out there, better realize, you cannot have it both ways.
You cannot have an illegitimate foreigner in the office of president, and a legitimate military
at the same time. The president is the Commander In Chief. If he’s a fake, your military will
flip to corrupt. If he’s not, he’ll make sure it doesn’t.
Obama voters begged for the Wikileaks/Assange/Manning debacle and it’s going to get worse.
If you put a thug in office, you will get thug minions in the military, because he will order it,
and all they do is take orders.

All you said about c*cksucking has nothing to do with SynGas’s use of that word, as an expletive w/derogatory anti-gay intent. You are simply excusing a homophobic slur…by obfuscating my point with a flood of pointless pseudo-intellectual pap and intentionally misguided disinformation.

All you said about c*cksucking has nothing to do with Big_Alpha1′s use of that word, as an expletive w/derogatory anti-gay intent. You are simply excusing a homophobic slur…by obfuscating my point with a flood of pointless pseudo-intellectual pap and intentionally misguided disinformation. Again, like so many airheaded hetero liberals, if being gay is okay in your book, you expand that to espouse that everyone else feels the same way as yourself.

Should he have simply said “gay” instead of “cocksucking”? They are two different words. If you call a woman a “cocksucker”, how is that a homophobic slur? Some Republicans are women. Then you label me as “airheaded hetero liberal”, go ahead, pin the square, triangle, circle, trapezoid or whatever on me. Ignore, censor, be the PMRC of Tipper Gore! You are calling yourself “Homo”, is that not a homophobic slur? He could have just as easily said “Homo Retarded fucking Repukes”, would that have been o.k.? Or do only those in the “certified gay community” have the privilege to say words that have been properly authorized by the proper authorities ie. you? And what about Hobo? Don’t you think that that might be derogatory to the many homeless out there? Look out! Nazi Censor Police! Rewrite Mark Twain!
Lighten up and F*ck Censorship! Oh, am I not allowed to say “f*ck” because some people don’t have reproductive style sex? But you seem to be totally o.k. with the word “retarded”, guess we have to walk on eggshells when you show up!
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Should he have simply said “gay” instead of “cocksucking”? They are two different words. If you call a woman a “cocksucker”, how is that a homophobic slur? Some Republicans are women. Then you label me as “airheaded hetero liberal”, go ahead, pin the square, triangle, circle, trapezoid or whatever on me. Ignore, censor, be the PMRC of Tipper Gore! You are calling yourself “Homo”, is that not a homophobic slur? He could have just as easily said “Homo Retarded fucking Repukes”, would that have been o.k.? Or do only those in the “certified gay community” have the privilege to say words that have been properly authorized by the proper authorities ie. you? And what about Hobo? Don’t you think that that might be derogatory to the many homeless out there? Look out! Nazi Censor Police! Rewrite Mark Twain!
Lighten up and F*ck Censorship! Oh, am I not allowed to say “f*ck” because some people don’t have reproductive style sex? But you seem to be totally o.k. with the word “retarded”, guess we have to walk on eggshells when you show up!
Everybody’s a little gay…

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You can’t figure out that she’s implying that Bradley is getting the NYPD prisoner treatment? She wrote “non reproductive”. You need to smoke some weed and do some yoga.

You’re stalking. Quit it.

You’re stalking. Quit it.

Excuse me, asshole, but in your world only homosexuals suck cock? So my girlfriend’s a homo?

Excuse me, asshole, but in your world only homosexuals suck cock? So my girlfriend’s a homo?

whatever…
sticks and stones…
but words are interesting to me, I’ll look up queef and “the Mask of Horus”.
I’ll also call you “Freak”,
but I’ll be the first to admit that I’m very partial to Freaks.

whatever…
sticks and stones…
but words are interesting to me, I’ll look up queef and “the Mask of Horus”.
I’ll also call you “Freak”,
but I’ll be the first to admit that I’m very partial to Freaks.

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I don’t think just because these folks are psychologists that there complaints will be heard or attended to. There are some very find psychologists as there are some jerks as well. What Obama needs to do is return our Habeus Corpis and repeal the military commissions act. but hey, He just keeps the illegal Bush tactics in place and carries on instead of embracing his campaign promises.

I don’t think just because these folks are psychologists that there complaints will be heard or attended to. There are some very find psychologists as there are some jerks as well. What Obama needs to do is return our Habeus Corpis and repeal the military commissions act. but hey, He just keeps the illegal Bush tactics in place and carries on instead of embracing his campaign promises.

I don’t think just because these folks are psychologists that there complaints will be heard or attended to. There are some very find psychologists as there are some jerks as well. What Obama needs to do is return our Habeus Corpis and repeal the military commissions act. but hey, He just keeps the illegal Bush tactics in place and carries on instead of embracing his campaign promises.

I don’t think these psychol complaints will be addressed even though they might think because they are psychologists, that this present Administration cares. What Obama needs to do is overturn the military commission act that Bush and his thugs put in place. And Hey,lets get our Habeus Corpis back in place. Wonder how many activists are really being imprisoned with no recourse to an attorney?

I don’t think these psychol complaints will be addressed even though they might think because they are psychologists, that this present Administration cares. What Obama needs to do is overturn the military commission act that Bush and his thugs put in place. And Hey,lets get our Habeus Corpis back in place. Wonder how many activists are really being imprisoned with no recourse to an attorney?

I don’t think these psychol complaints will be addressed even though they might think because they are psychologists, that this present Administration cares. What Obama needs to do is overturn the military commission act that Bush and his thugs put in place. And Hey,lets get our Habeus Corpis back in place. Wonder how many activists are really being imprisoned with no recourse to an attorney?

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