[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Stacy Herbert, Rob, Sahil Kapur and others. Sahil Kapur said: Wyoming bill tries to CRIMINALIZE lawful implement of health care reform: http://bit.ly/gk14P6 #fail [...]

So does that outlaw Medicare and Medicaid? Last I checked those were government run health care programs.

So does that outlaw Medicare and Medicaid? Last I checked those were government run health care programs.

So does that outlaw Medicare and Medicaid? Last I checked those were government run health care programs.

Kudos to the Republicans and Tea Partiers for having so confused the public that they are willing to vote against their own best interests and the better interests of the nation. Good job folks – anothe nail in America’s coffin of decline!!

What a pack of ignorant goobers.

I guess medicare and medicade should be withheld from Wyoming and other states where the folks reject government involvement in health care so we can save money for the rest of the country where we want government run health care. Sounds like a good idea to me.

Fuckin’ MORONS!!!!! It’s Federal law.

I wonder: could a state pass a law like this against any federal authority that tried to enforce the drug laws or any other federal law that any state doesn’t want enforced?

The voters of Wyoming should take the three senators and 10 representatives who co-signed onto this bill and immediately recall them because they are too stupid to be entrusted with the responsibility of making law.

But what is most appalling is the fact that the state of Wyoming wasn’t always this backward. In fact at one point in time it was the most progressive state in the Union. In 1869 Wyoming became the first territory to allow women to vote. My how things have changed.

I wonder: could a state pass a law like this against any federal authority that tried to enforce the drug laws or any other federal law that any state doesn’t want enforced?

The voters of Wyoming should take the three senators and 10 representatives who co-signed onto this bill and immediately recall them because they are too stupid to be entrusted with the responsibility of making law.

But what is most appalling is the fact that the state of Wyoming wasn’t always this backward. In fact at one point in time it was the most progressive state in the Union. In 1869 Wyoming became the first territory to allow women to vote. My how things have changed.

What do you think the odds are that idiot with the sign is on Medicare ?

What do you think the odds are that idiot with the sign is on Medicare ?

more angry white people shoving their families off a cliff so that their racist nonsense is satisfied.

these backwoods people need to go back to the woods.

that’s nice, but the 10th amendment over rules you.

Yes, they are right, it is so much better for taxes to go to bail out ins. companies than to help the sick

[...] Wyoming bill criminalizes implementation of health care law – Raw Story [...]

As that stupid old bitch with the sign, “Government Run Health Care No No No.” Get off the socialized Medicare and buy your own. And stay off the socialized roads to buy your big crayolas to write stupid. I hope she had a sign on her back that says, “Kick Me.”

I wonder how many of the victims that were mowed down the other day in arizona, by the propagandists from FAUX NEWS, don’t have health care to take care of their wounds.

As that stupid old bitch with the sign, “Government Run Health Care No No No.” Get off the socialized Medicare and buy your own. And stay off the socialized roads to buy your big crayolas to write stupid. I hope she had a sign on her back that says, “Kick Me.”

I wonder how many of the victims that were mowed down the other day in arizona, by the propagandists from FAUX NEWS, don’t have health care to take care of their wounds.

10 to 1.

10 to 1.

You folks are morons for supporting the Obama-Romney Fascist Care scam. I support the people of Wyoming and if push comes to shove and the folks call on the rest us in there struggle against the corporate occupation Government. I shall give the why ever true progressive opposes Obama. I’m cross posting a series of blog articles from a progressive blogger who calls himself attempter (http://attempter.wordpress.com/). Read his words and be enlighted and join the resistence agains the illegitimate occupation government.

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The Stamp Racket Mandate (Part 1)
Filed under: Bailouts Only Propped Up Zombies, Civil Disobedience, Corporatism, Health Racket Bailout, Sovereignty and Constitution — Tags: corporate liberals, neoliberalism — Russ @ 1:45 am

The health racket Stamp mandate was crafted by the Republicans (the Heritage Foundation via Romneycare; Obama bragged about this) and enacted by the Democrats. It will never increase actual coverage nor control costs, and was never intended to.

“Health insurance” doesn’t even make sense as a concept. The goal of any insurance is to maximize premium extractions and minimize payouts. That can’t possibly work in the case of health care. There’s no possible way you can have a pool based on profiteering which isn’t automatically a conflict of interest between the racket and its customers, between the racket and the public interest.

To recap, the bill is:

1. A bailout for the insurance rackets. In spite of the antitrust exemption which protects them from market competition (and which explicitly forbids the “interstate commerce” which racket supporters fraudulently claim characterizes this Congressionally commanded “market”), these parasites are increasingly unable to compete with rational and morally justified non-participation.

So the bill is a command economy measure which creates a forced market with only one willing participant.

It contains no credible restraint on Stamp rates, and isn’t meant to impose any such restraint. On the contrary, it’s meant to use the government power to extort these costs from the people so the insurance rents can continue to exist at all. It’s just like the Bank Bailout, only it’s a direct robbery instead of an indirect one.

2. It’s an austerity bill whose goal is to absolve private employers of responsibility for health “insurance” and drive people as atomized individuals into the individual “market”. At the same time government gets to continue to abdicate on its core function responsibility to provide Single Payer.

As even the NYT has been steadily documenting (e.g. here and here), this process of corporate exemptions, insurer concession takebacks, and setting up individuals to be driven into the individual market, has been gathering momentum all year. These broken promises constitute the metric of Stamp austerity.

So here again, the bill will not control costs and was not intended to. Like ever austerity bill, it’s meant to increase costs while shifting all costs from corporations to the individual.

(To the extent any promised benefits of this bill materialize at all, they’ll simply be paid for by jacked-up Stamp premiums across the board. None of this will be cost-free to the people. Nowhere will the rackets have to relinquish one cent of extractions; at worst they’ll shift some of them from the poorest to the somewhat less poor. By design the bill doesn’t require one cent’s worth of contribution from the rackets. On the contrary, it promises to increase their extractions.)

This is exactly the outcome Obama wanted, as all the evidence of his state legislative career (where he was already a lackey of the Stamp rackets) to the present day proves.

3. The bill is a Poll Tax. Like all poll taxes, its goal is social and economic control. I’ll say more about this in a subsequent post.

So we have clarity on how irrational, impractical, and immoral this bill is. It illegitimate props up an irrational, impractical, and immoral system. When we consider the full extent of the policy’s corruption, and the systemic corruption of the entire fraudulent market, we also achieve full moral clarity on the issue.

Any individual has the right to refuse to pay this corporate extortion yet still demand necessary health care. If the government has failed to provide Single Payer, that’s its own abdication. Since a profiteering health care market is an automatic market failure, provision of Single Payer is a core government function. That this government refuses to recognize its responsibility is proof of its own illegitimacy. None of this reflects poorly in any way on the individual who has been abandoned and then victimized by a criminal system. On the contrary, anyone who would cast such aspersions is simply a pro-racket criminal himself.

Therefore, no one who supports this corporatist bailout bill, or who supports the very existence of the purely parasitic, purely destructive insurance companies, has standing to utter a word about individuals who allegedly free ride or shift costs. The insurance rackets are free riders infinitely worse than all uninsured individuals put together could ever be, while corporate employers and derelict government are the ultimate cost-shifters. Given these facts, to say a word about individuals is automatically to demonstrate one’s bad faith and complete lack of integrity.

By definition, anyone who cares about free riding and cost shifting, and reform itself, demands the complete eradication of the Stamp rackets and the institution of Single Payer. Everyone who’s even modestly informed about the issue knows this is the only moral, rational, and practical solution.

So the second any hack starts in with any anti-citizen argument (here’s several such swine at the NYT), we should reject him automatically and immediately. His position is a fraud on its face, and he’s clearly nothing but a criminal. That “opinion” has no right to exist.

So to recap: The Obama/Republican (Heritage Foundation) bill never intended anything but to:

1. Maintain and enhance insurance rent extractions;

2. Enable employers to shift their costs onto individuals;

3. Enable government to continue to abdicate its core responsibility;

4. Force atomized individuals into the individual market, which Obama’s own CBO says will become more expensive;

5. Where the government goon will force them to buy worthless “policies”, Stamps.

The bill is not designed to control costs and will not do so. It was designed to increase costs, but shift them all onto the individual.

Meanwhile the quality of care delivered will continue to deteriorate, since the bill is also not intended to force insurance to provide affordable care. The Massachusetts experience has already proven that.

What should we say is the ideological nature of this bill? It’s not classically “liberal”, since it enshrines the abdication of a core government function. But it’s not classically “conservative”, since it does enshrine a massive extension of aggressive government goon power. It’s strangely redolent of economic “libertarianism”, which wants to gut government in all the things a government is supposed to do, while aggressively expanding all its goon and thug dysfunctions. It’s really a radical enshrinement of neoliberal corporatism (which is the same thing as conservatism in practice): Government should be big and aggressive, but only as a corporate deputy. All its actual public functions should cease to exist. It’s classical tyranny, a usurpation. Such a government is clearly nothing but a parasite and a predator, exactly like its corporate masters.

So there’s the first reason to reject this bill and refuse to purchase this Stamp: It’s the enshrinement of corporate tyranny.

And even if one is a slave by nature who accepts neoliberal ideology and corporate tyranny, health insurance still makes zero sense as a concept. It doesn’t work. (Most people who go bankrupt for medical reasons have insurance.) So there’s the second reason.

In part 2 I’ll discuss the third reason, the fact that the Stamp mandate is unconstitutional.

The Stamp Racket Mandate (Part 2)
Filed under: Corporatism, Food and Farms, Health Racket Bailout, Law, Sovereignty and Constitution — Tags: federalism, Supreme Court — Russ @ 2:53 am

In part 1 of this post I offered two reasons why we should resist the Stamp racket mandate: That the whole policy further entrenches corporate tyranny, and that profiteering health insurance is a proven failure in ways this policy doesn’t even try to rectify. Nor could it even if it did try, because health insurance is incoherent in principle. It makes sense only if society’s goal for its health care system is not to provide good care for as many people as possible, but to provide the occasion for racketeers to extract a parasitic rent. Only in that way does it make sense, and this is in fact the intention of Obamacare, to preserve and intensify this rent.

Today I move on to the third reason, in case anyone needed another: The mandate is unconstitutional. So if one doesn’t care about tyranny as such, nor about an irremediably broken system, but still does care about constitutionality and the rule of law, here’s your reason to reject and resist. Then in part 3 I’ll carry over the constitutional discussion to the fact that even Obama is now calling this a poll tax, something which has already been found unconstitutional. From that introduction of the tax concept I’ll move on to reason four to reject and resist – the mandate is an unconscionably regressive tax and policy in general. Economically, it’s a reactionary assault on the people on behalf of yet another racket just at the time we’re already reeling from the devastation wrought by the banks. I’ll conclude with a discussion of prior successful fights against poll taxes.

If this Stamp mandate stands, if it’s illegitimately ruled “constitutional” (as two corrupt judges already have, while one has ruled the opposite), there will be literally no limit on the government’s being able to arbitrarily define the legitimate limits of a market and then require the purchase of a private product.

What we see in the two pro-mandate rulings is the doctrine of a pre-constitutional market. Congress has arbitrarily set up this pseudo-market based on private health insurance. It first gave the insurance rackets an antitrust exemption and rigged the market in other ways. Then, when this “market” failed badly enough that a critical mass of people were rationally (and with full moral justification) choosing not to participate in this corrupt market, Obama and the Democrats passed this Republican-designed bailout bill in order to force participation. (Starting in January, the Reps will become full partners and co-owners when they refuse to repeal it. I look forward to seeing how rebellious against the Reps these tea partiers become at that point.) In effect, this bill was designed to extend the antitrust exemption against non-participation as well.

I earlier wrote an extended analysis of the first ruling, describing in detail all its fallacies and policy malevolence.

It could be argued that a health care market does have to exist, and we are all necessarily participants in it. But the health insurance “market” doesn’t have to exist at all. It’s a completely gratuitous creation of the government, and in this case, contrary to the judge’s explicit lie, it is specifically a “market created by Congress”.

That’s a bizarre jurisprudence: The government can arbitrarily create an irrational, inequitable market and declare by fiat that everyone has to participate, and all of that is beyond the Constitution’s purview.

Instead, the Constitution is simply instrumental toward enforcing the arbitrary markets created by government, and from that perspective a mandate to participate is valid. This is the doctrine which will be enshrined if the mandate stands: The pre-constitutional command economy fiat power of the legislative, and perhaps executive, branch. Looking at the judges’ lies which depict this artificial command market as a law of nature, we see how the real goal is enshrinement of rule by corporate protection rackets. This is another big step in the de facto privatization of the IRS, its transformation into corporate thug and bagman. The FDA is preparing the same mandates for food.

(This is also redolent of the unconstitutionality of Kelo. Eminent domain can be legitimate where the government takes property for a legitimate public purpose. But where the government is nothing but the hired thug of a private interest and seizes property only to hand it over to that interest (who didn’t want to have to buy on the “free” market), that’s clearly illegitimate. But as we saw in that case, the corporatist courts are happy to violate and defile the Constitution on behalf of rich racketeering interests, so it’ll be no surprise if they come up with justifications for a reactionary insurance mandate.)

If this mandate is allowed, the Constitution simply becomes nothing but the flunkey of legislative and executive fiat with regard to any command economy measure. They’ll be able to mandate that all purchases have to be done with a bank-issued credit card, for example. Detractors have offered many other examples. According to the logic, the arbitrary fiat is beyond constitutional purview and is automatically, autocratically postulated as legitimate, while the tyrannical application would then follow as legit according to the commerce clause.

The anti-constitutional corporatists tip their hand with their constant citation of the rogue case Wickard v. Filburn:

But Congress has successfully regulated inactivity, said Professor Tushnet of Harvard. In a famous 1942 case, Wickard v. Filburn, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of federal quotas, meant to support wheat prices, that restricted how much farmers could grow. In the case, Roscoe Filburn grew more wheat than permitted; he argued that the wheat was for his own use.

Professor Tushnet noted that Mr. Filburn’s actions could be described as a failure to purchase wheat in the general market — a situation similar to that of people who do not buy health insurance.

“If the constitutional challenge has any legs, it is on the ground that it is unprecedented — Congress has never done it before,” he said. “Well, it turns out that Congress has done it before.”

In citing this vile decision, they inadvertently broadcast their tyrannical intent, since Wickard involved the government’s determination to impose total control on the economy in a time of total war. The only way Wickard could be relevant to today’s situation would be if the real goal is indeed to impose economic tyranny as such, beyond even the profiteering incentives of any particular corporatist policy.

Since Wickard itself involved food grown for personal use, the new vogue of this case puts the real intentions of the Food Tyranny bill in a new light.

(Is that Harvard scribbler joking when he says that about the “failure to purchase”? Is that a parody of the totalitarian logic, or the real thing? The logic parodies itself by now. If we do something for ourselves, the essence of economic self-determination and the very basis of the movement we must build, we’re actually harming the corporations we should’ve paid to do it for us. We’re guilty of an economic tort and must be held accountable. The government can legitimately restrain us and/or impose upon us.

We see the infinite vileness of these traitor swine.)

This fight is the latest and most pivotal federalism vs. anti-federalism battleground. The doctrine has actually swung back and forth, with the Rehnquist court even imposing some worthwhile federalist limits.

For the last century the Supreme Court has struggled to define the limits of Congress’s interstate-commerce power. In the early decades of the 20th century, the court experimented with a variety of distinctions: Congress could regulate trade but not the manufacturing process (in a child-labor case); Congress could regulate anything that directly affected interstate commerce but not where the effect was indirect (in a labor dispute involving coal miners); Congress could regulate goods in the stream of commerce but not before they entered or after they left that stream (in a ruling on chicken farming).

These distinctions, however, proved unworkable in a time of industrial growth and expanding national markets. And in the 1930s, confronted with the surge of governmental power during the New Deal, the court abandoned them all.

Beginning in the mid-1990s, however, the court took up the project anew. In invalidating a federal gun possession law and the provision of the Violence Against Women Act that allowed victims to sue their attackers, Chief Justice William Rehnquist and his colleagues held that while Congress could regulate local economic behavior because of its national economic effects, Congress could not on the same theory regulate non-economic behavior like possessing a gun or committing an act of violence.

So the situation is that we’ve had some tenuous refederalization. (Legitimate federalism means power resides as close to its sovereign basis in the people as possible. Since representative trickle-down pseudo-democracy has been definitively proven a failure, there’s no longer any argument left against direct economic and political democracy. So our path is clear: We must restore true federalism, and we have to do it through our own efforts, from below.) But this partial federalism still exists within the malign framework of Wickard. While in theory this case could lead to the complete overthrow of Wickard, we have to assume this corporatist court will do the opposite – radically extend the already radical doctrine. Perhaps roll back everything the Rehnquist court did.

Perhaps the most Kafkaesque part is that even as these judges and the Stamp Act supporters say this mandate falls under the Congress’s “interstate commerce” power, the market is artificially restricted to intrastate buying. If I live in NJ, I can’t legally buy the cheaper policies available in NY.

“I actually wish the purchase of health insurance was interstate commerce,” adds New Jersey blogger Chris Wysocki. “True interstate commerce, as in I can buy health insurance from a company that is in another state. Like New York, where the RPI alumni association offers a Blue Cross plan which is 35% cheaper than the … Aetna plan I’m forced to buy here in New Jersey. Oh sure, Blue Cross has a ‘New Jersey’ plan, it’s even more expensive than Aetna. But right over the border there’s that tantalizing ‘New York’ plan, taunting me with its lower premiums and better benefits. True ‘interstate commerce”‘ would mean that I could buy it.”

Here we have a complete inversion of reality. What’s explicitly an artificially designed and restricted commerce in reality becomes “interstate commerce” in corporatist jurisprudence.

To recap, the government aggressively rigged a command economy pseudo-market in health insurance, an inherently flawed product. This in itself is of questionable constitutionality. It now seeks to mandate participation in this artificial market. This is definitely unconstitutional. The procedure of corrupt jurisprudence here is to implicitly declare the artificial Congressional program a natural fact (although the first decision went further and explicitly lied, proclaiming that “Congress didn’t create this market”). This, along with the depraved and immoral policy argument about “free riders” we already skewered in part one, is meant to toss the mandate issue into the long-raging fray over commerce clause powers, where any bench ideologue can cobble together the rationale for whatever he already was inclined to decide.

Meanwhile the anti-mandate decision has a different character.

Judge Hudson has presented a way for the court to finally answer this question. His opinion is the first prominent judgment to say that Congress can use its power over interstate commerce only to regulate “activity,” as opposed to a lack of action. This strikes many as a bold assertion, but it has a lot going for it. All of the Supreme Court cases upholding Congress’s power under the Constitution’s interstate commerce clause have involved Congress regulating some kind of activity that is already occurring.

This alleged innovation is really common sense, the normal vector of the law, the normal way we live our lives, indeed of the basis laws of the universe – inertia.

Since the criminals are so ardent to find a pseudo-constitutional rationale for this obscenity, here’s a suggestion. Why not call the mandate a Letter of Marque, a constitutionally legitimate privateer’s commission issued by Congress? True, in this case it’s been awarded to wage war on the American people themselves. But think of the possibilities! As I said, there’s no limit on the possible mandates. Obamacare is not just the extreme example, but the prototype.

Please Read part 3 at http://attempter.wordpress.com/ as there is not enough rooms for the rest on this post…

You folks are morons for supporting the Obama-Romney Fascist Care scam. I support the people of Wyoming and if push comes to shove and the folks call on the rest us in there struggle against the corporate occupation Government. I shall give the why ever true progressive opposes Obama. I’m cross posting a series of blog articles from a progressive blogger who calls himself attempter (http://attempter.wordpress.com/). Read his words and be enlighted and join the resistence agains the illegitimate occupation government.

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The Stamp Racket Mandate (Part 1)
Filed under: Bailouts Only Propped Up Zombies, Civil Disobedience, Corporatism, Health Racket Bailout, Sovereignty and Constitution — Tags: corporate liberals, neoliberalism — Russ @ 1:45 am

The health racket Stamp mandate was crafted by the Republicans (the Heritage Foundation via Romneycare; Obama bragged about this) and enacted by the Democrats. It will never increase actual coverage nor control costs, and was never intended to.

“Health insurance” doesn’t even make sense as a concept. The goal of any insurance is to maximize premium extractions and minimize payouts. That can’t possibly work in the case of health care. There’s no possible way you can have a pool based on profiteering which isn’t automatically a conflict of interest between the racket and its customers, between the racket and the public interest.

To recap, the bill is:

1. A bailout for the insurance rackets. In spite of the antitrust exemption which protects them from market competition (and which explicitly forbids the “interstate commerce” which racket supporters fraudulently claim characterizes this Congressionally commanded “market”), these parasites are increasingly unable to compete with rational and morally justified non-participation.

So the bill is a command economy measure which creates a forced market with only one willing participant.

It contains no credible restraint on Stamp rates, and isn’t meant to impose any such restraint. On the contrary, it’s meant to use the government power to extort these costs from the people so the insurance rents can continue to exist at all. It’s just like the Bank Bailout, only it’s a direct robbery instead of an indirect one.

2. It’s an austerity bill whose goal is to absolve private employers of responsibility for health “insurance” and drive people as atomized individuals into the individual “market”. At the same time government gets to continue to abdicate on its core function responsibility to provide Single Payer.

As even the NYT has been steadily documenting (e.g. here and here), this process of corporate exemptions, insurer concession takebacks, and setting up individuals to be driven into the individual market, has been gathering momentum all year. These broken promises constitute the metric of Stamp austerity.

So here again, the bill will not control costs and was not intended to. Like ever austerity bill, it’s meant to increase costs while shifting all costs from corporations to the individual.

(To the extent any promised benefits of this bill materialize at all, they’ll simply be paid for by jacked-up Stamp premiums across the board. None of this will be cost-free to the people. Nowhere will the rackets have to relinquish one cent of extractions; at worst they’ll shift some of them from the poorest to the somewhat less poor. By design the bill doesn’t require one cent’s worth of contribution from the rackets. On the contrary, it promises to increase their extractions.)

This is exactly the outcome Obama wanted, as all the evidence of his state legislative career (where he was already a lackey of the Stamp rackets) to the present day proves.

3. The bill is a Poll Tax. Like all poll taxes, its goal is social and economic control. I’ll say more about this in a subsequent post.

So we have clarity on how irrational, impractical, and immoral this bill is. It illegitimate props up an irrational, impractical, and immoral system. When we consider the full extent of the policy’s corruption, and the systemic corruption of the entire fraudulent market, we also achieve full moral clarity on the issue.

Any individual has the right to refuse to pay this corporate extortion yet still demand necessary health care. If the government has failed to provide Single Payer, that’s its own abdication. Since a profiteering health care market is an automatic market failure, provision of Single Payer is a core government function. That this government refuses to recognize its responsibility is proof of its own illegitimacy. None of this reflects poorly in any way on the individual who has been abandoned and then victimized by a criminal system. On the contrary, anyone who would cast such aspersions is simply a pro-racket criminal himself.

Therefore, no one who supports this corporatist bailout bill, or who supports the very existence of the purely parasitic, purely destructive insurance companies, has standing to utter a word about individuals who allegedly free ride or shift costs. The insurance rackets are free riders infinitely worse than all uninsured individuals put together could ever be, while corporate employers and derelict government are the ultimate cost-shifters. Given these facts, to say a word about individuals is automatically to demonstrate one’s bad faith and complete lack of integrity.

By definition, anyone who cares about free riding and cost shifting, and reform itself, demands the complete eradication of the Stamp rackets and the institution of Single Payer. Everyone who’s even modestly informed about the issue knows this is the only moral, rational, and practical solution.

So the second any hack starts in with any anti-citizen argument (here’s several such swine at the NYT), we should reject him automatically and immediately. His position is a fraud on its face, and he’s clearly nothing but a criminal. That “opinion” has no right to exist.

So to recap: The Obama/Republican (Heritage Foundation) bill never intended anything but to:

1. Maintain and enhance insurance rent extractions;

2. Enable employers to shift their costs onto individuals;

3. Enable government to continue to abdicate its core responsibility;

4. Force atomized individuals into the individual market, which Obama’s own CBO says will become more expensive;

5. Where the government goon will force them to buy worthless “policies”, Stamps.

The bill is not designed to control costs and will not do so. It was designed to increase costs, but shift them all onto the individual.

Meanwhile the quality of care delivered will continue to deteriorate, since the bill is also not intended to force insurance to provide affordable care. The Massachusetts experience has already proven that.

What should we say is the ideological nature of this bill? It’s not classically “liberal”, since it enshrines the abdication of a core government function. But it’s not classically “conservative”, since it does enshrine a massive extension of aggressive government goon power. It’s strangely redolent of economic “libertarianism”, which wants to gut government in all the things a government is supposed to do, while aggressively expanding all its goon and thug dysfunctions. It’s really a radical enshrinement of neoliberal corporatism (which is the same thing as conservatism in practice): Government should be big and aggressive, but only as a corporate deputy. All its actual public functions should cease to exist. It’s classical tyranny, a usurpation. Such a government is clearly nothing but a parasite and a predator, exactly like its corporate masters.

So there’s the first reason to reject this bill and refuse to purchase this Stamp: It’s the enshrinement of corporate tyranny.

And even if one is a slave by nature who accepts neoliberal ideology and corporate tyranny, health insurance still makes zero sense as a concept. It doesn’t work. (Most people who go bankrupt for medical reasons have insurance.) So there’s the second reason.

In part 2 I’ll discuss the third reason, the fact that the Stamp mandate is unconstitutional.

The Stamp Racket Mandate (Part 2)
Filed under: Corporatism, Food and Farms, Health Racket Bailout, Law, Sovereignty and Constitution — Tags: federalism, Supreme Court — Russ @ 2:53 am

In part 1 of this post I offered two reasons why we should resist the Stamp racket mandate: That the whole policy further entrenches corporate tyranny, and that profiteering health insurance is a proven failure in ways this policy doesn’t even try to rectify. Nor could it even if it did try, because health insurance is incoherent in principle. It makes sense only if society’s goal for its health care system is not to provide good care for as many people as possible, but to provide the occasion for racketeers to extract a parasitic rent. Only in that way does it make sense, and this is in fact the intention of Obamacare, to preserve and intensify this rent.

Today I move on to the third reason, in case anyone needed another: The mandate is unconstitutional. So if one doesn’t care about tyranny as such, nor about an irremediably broken system, but still does care about constitutionality and the rule of law, here’s your reason to reject and resist. Then in part 3 I’ll carry over the constitutional discussion to the fact that even Obama is now calling this a poll tax, something which has already been found unconstitutional. From that introduction of the tax concept I’ll move on to reason four to reject and resist – the mandate is an unconscionably regressive tax and policy in general. Economically, it’s a reactionary assault on the people on behalf of yet another racket just at the time we’re already reeling from the devastation wrought by the banks. I’ll conclude with a discussion of prior successful fights against poll taxes.

If this Stamp mandate stands, if it’s illegitimately ruled “constitutional” (as two corrupt judges already have, while one has ruled the opposite), there will be literally no limit on the government’s being able to arbitrarily define the legitimate limits of a market and then require the purchase of a private product.

What we see in the two pro-mandate rulings is the doctrine of a pre-constitutional market. Congress has arbitrarily set up this pseudo-market based on private health insurance. It first gave the insurance rackets an antitrust exemption and rigged the market in other ways. Then, when this “market” failed badly enough that a critical mass of people were rationally (and with full moral justification) choosing not to participate in this corrupt market, Obama and the Democrats passed this Republican-designed bailout bill in order to force participation. (Starting in January, the Reps will become full partners and co-owners when they refuse to repeal it. I look forward to seeing how rebellious against the Reps these tea partiers become at that point.) In effect, this bill was designed to extend the antitrust exemption against non-participation as well.

I earlier wrote an extended analysis of the first ruling, describing in detail all its fallacies and policy malevolence.

It could be argued that a health care market does have to exist, and we are all necessarily participants in it. But the health insurance “market” doesn’t have to exist at all. It’s a completely gratuitous creation of the government, and in this case, contrary to the judge’s explicit lie, it is specifically a “market created by Congress”.

That’s a bizarre jurisprudence: The government can arbitrarily create an irrational, inequitable market and declare by fiat that everyone has to participate, and all of that is beyond the Constitution’s purview.

Instead, the Constitution is simply instrumental toward enforcing the arbitrary markets created by government, and from that perspective a mandate to participate is valid. This is the doctrine which will be enshrined if the mandate stands: The pre-constitutional command economy fiat power of the legislative, and perhaps executive, branch. Looking at the judges’ lies which depict this artificial command market as a law of nature, we see how the real goal is enshrinement of rule by corporate protection rackets. This is another big step in the de facto privatization of the IRS, its transformation into corporate thug and bagman. The FDA is preparing the same mandates for food.

(This is also redolent of the unconstitutionality of Kelo. Eminent domain can be legitimate where the government takes property for a legitimate public purpose. But where the government is nothing but the hired thug of a private interest and seizes property only to hand it over to that interest (who didn’t want to have to buy on the “free” market), that’s clearly illegitimate. But as we saw in that case, the corporatist courts are happy to violate and defile the Constitution on behalf of rich racketeering interests, so it’ll be no surprise if they come up with justifications for a reactionary insurance mandate.)

If this mandate is allowed, the Constitution simply becomes nothing but the flunkey of legislative and executive fiat with regard to any command economy measure. They’ll be able to mandate that all purchases have to be done with a bank-issued credit card, for example. Detractors have offered many other examples. According to the logic, the arbitrary fiat is beyond constitutional purview and is automatically, autocratically postulated as legitimate, while the tyrannical application would then follow as legit according to the commerce clause.

The anti-constitutional corporatists tip their hand with their constant citation of the rogue case Wickard v. Filburn:

But Congress has successfully regulated inactivity, said Professor Tushnet of Harvard. In a famous 1942 case, Wickard v. Filburn, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of federal quotas, meant to support wheat prices, that restricted how much farmers could grow. In the case, Roscoe Filburn grew more wheat than permitted; he argued that the wheat was for his own use.

Professor Tushnet noted that Mr. Filburn’s actions could be described as a failure to purchase wheat in the general market — a situation similar to that of people who do not buy health insurance.

“If the constitutional challenge has any legs, it is on the ground that it is unprecedented — Congress has never done it before,” he said. “Well, it turns out that Congress has done it before.”

In citing this vile decision, they inadvertently broadcast their tyrannical intent, since Wickard involved the government’s determination to impose total control on the economy in a time of total war. The only way Wickard could be relevant to today’s situation would be if the real goal is indeed to impose economic tyranny as such, beyond even the profiteering incentives of any particular corporatist policy.

Since Wickard itself involved food grown for personal use, the new vogue of this case puts the real intentions of the Food Tyranny bill in a new light.

(Is that Harvard scribbler joking when he says that about the “failure to purchase”? Is that a parody of the totalitarian logic, or the real thing? The logic parodies itself by now. If we do something for ourselves, the essence of economic self-determination and the very basis of the movement we must build, we’re actually harming the corporations we should’ve paid to do it for us. We’re guilty of an economic tort and must be held accountable. The government can legitimately restrain us and/or impose upon us.

We see the infinite vileness of these traitor swine.)

This fight is the latest and most pivotal federalism vs. anti-federalism battleground. The doctrine has actually swung back and forth, with the Rehnquist court even imposing some worthwhile federalist limits.

For the last century the Supreme Court has struggled to define the limits of Congress’s interstate-commerce power. In the early decades of the 20th century, the court experimented with a variety of distinctions: Congress could regulate trade but not the manufacturing process (in a child-labor case); Congress could regulate anything that directly affected interstate commerce but not where the effect was indirect (in a labor dispute involving coal miners); Congress could regulate goods in the stream of commerce but not before they entered or after they left that stream (in a ruling on chicken farming).

These distinctions, however, proved unworkable in a time of industrial growth and expanding national markets. And in the 1930s, confronted with the surge of governmental power during the New Deal, the court abandoned them all.

Beginning in the mid-1990s, however, the court took up the project anew. In invalidating a federal gun possession law and the provision of the Violence Against Women Act that allowed victims to sue their attackers, Chief Justice William Rehnquist and his colleagues held that while Congress could regulate local economic behavior because of its national economic effects, Congress could not on the same theory regulate non-economic behavior like possessing a gun or committing an act of violence.

So the situation is that we’ve had some tenuous refederalization. (Legitimate federalism means power resides as close to its sovereign basis in the people as possible. Since representative trickle-down pseudo-democracy has been definitively proven a failure, there’s no longer any argument left against direct economic and political democracy. So our path is clear: We must restore true federalism, and we have to do it through our own efforts, from below.) But this partial federalism still exists within the malign framework of Wickard. While in theory this case could lead to the complete overthrow of Wickard, we have to assume this corporatist court will do the opposite – radically extend the already radical doctrine. Perhaps roll back everything the Rehnquist court did.

Perhaps the most Kafkaesque part is that even as these judges and the Stamp Act supporters say this mandate falls under the Congress’s “interstate commerce” power, the market is artificially restricted to intrastate buying. If I live in NJ, I can’t legally buy the cheaper policies available in NY.

“I actually wish the purchase of health insurance was interstate commerce,” adds New Jersey blogger Chris Wysocki. “True interstate commerce, as in I can buy health insurance from a company that is in another state. Like New York, where the RPI alumni association offers a Blue Cross plan which is 35% cheaper than the … Aetna plan I’m forced to buy here in New Jersey. Oh sure, Blue Cross has a ‘New Jersey’ plan, it’s even more expensive than Aetna. But right over the border there’s that tantalizing ‘New York’ plan, taunting me with its lower premiums and better benefits. True ‘interstate commerce”‘ would mean that I could buy it.”

Here we have a complete inversion of reality. What’s explicitly an artificially designed and restricted commerce in reality becomes “interstate commerce” in corporatist jurisprudence.

To recap, the government aggressively rigged a command economy pseudo-market in health insurance, an inherently flawed product. This in itself is of questionable constitutionality. It now seeks to mandate participation in this artificial market. This is definitely unconstitutional. The procedure of corrupt jurisprudence here is to implicitly declare the artificial Congressional program a natural fact (although the first decision went further and explicitly lied, proclaiming that “Congress didn’t create this market”). This, along with the depraved and immoral policy argument about “free riders” we already skewered in part one, is meant to toss the mandate issue into the long-raging fray over commerce clause powers, where any bench ideologue can cobble together the rationale for whatever he already was inclined to decide.

Meanwhile the anti-mandate decision has a different character.

Judge Hudson has presented a way for the court to finally answer this question. His opinion is the first prominent judgment to say that Congress can use its power over interstate commerce only to regulate “activity,” as opposed to a lack of action. This strikes many as a bold assertion, but it has a lot going for it. All of the Supreme Court cases upholding Congress’s power under the Constitution’s interstate commerce clause have involved Congress regulating some kind of activity that is already occurring.

This alleged innovation is really common sense, the normal vector of the law, the normal way we live our lives, indeed of the basis laws of the universe – inertia.

Since the criminals are so ardent to find a pseudo-constitutional rationale for this obscenity, here’s a suggestion. Why not call the mandate a Letter of Marque, a constitutionally legitimate privateer’s commission issued by Congress? True, in this case it’s been awarded to wage war on the American people themselves. But think of the possibilities! As I said, there’s no limit on the possible mandates. Obamacare is not just the extreme example, but the prototype.

Please Read part 3 at http://attempter.wordpress.com/ as there is not enough rooms for the rest on this post…

There’s less people in Wyoming than in my congressional district! LOL. No, that’s not true, but pretty close!

There’s less people in Wyoming than in my congressional district! LOL. No, that’s not true, but pretty close!

Healthcare fascist. LOL. Do you own any guns. The health care companies receive billions of
of our socialized dollars which go to the billions in bonuses they give out.

If you ever wondered how the Germans followed Hitler take a look at the GOP.

See the Iraq war.

Apparently you are not reading current sources, since the the medical insurance reform has already made a dent in the deficit, and the republicans know it, They are so clear on that point that they have given themselves a loophole in their pay as you go program so they can increase the deficit without balancing if they can repeal the bill. There are more savings coming as more of the law comes into effect.

It is terrorism. Spread fear in the people to get them to follow republicans off a cliff.

I wonder if that little old lady is on Medicare? And if she is does she know it’s paid for by the government of the United States. These followers of the right wing need to stop and think but first they need to get over the fact that we have a black President because although none of the right wing would ever come out and say so this is what all the vitriolic rhetoric is about the color of
President Obama’s skin.

I wonder if that little old lady is on Medicare? And if she is does she know it’s paid for by the government of the United States. These followers of the right wing need to stop and think but first they need to get over the fact that we have a black President because although none of the right wing would ever come out and say so this is what all the vitriolic rhetoric is about the color of
President Obama’s skin.

Andrew Jackson settled the question of states nullifying federal laws 180 years ago.

I’m posting from Australia (pop. approx. the same as the State of New York) where we have goverment (tax-payer) funded health care for ALL citizens. This is funded by a compulsory 9% tax on all wage earners who don’t have private health insurance.
Recently, a very ill lady who needed a bowel transplant costing approx $2,000,000 (only available in the US) to save her life was funded, albeit reluctantly, by the Australian taxpayers. From what I heard the operation was a complete success.
It seems shameful to me that the US, a purportedly Christian nation, with its large population seems to be unable to assist those in need.
I am able to obtain FREE healthcare just by turning up at any public hospital. I’ve had laser surgery twice, surgery to remove skin cancers and several weeks in hospital with an infection, all at no cost to me. Admittedly the State and Federal Governments have cut hospital budgets and blame each other for any shortfalls in care. The shameful attack on the WTC killed 3,000 of your citizens, enough to declare war (on the wrong country unfortunately) but I have read on blogs elsewhere that up to 30,000 US citizens die each year because they can’t afford healthcare.
Please correct me if my figures are wrong.
Keep up the good work, RAW, one of the best blogs I’ve ever read……

Man some people are batsh!t crazy.

God are these people stupid.

hey. Old lady. You are going to DIE for want of Health Care thanks to the GOP. The GOP wants you DEAD.

Good riddance.

there are more bears in wyoming than people.

Okay I guess that you should go to jail if you support :
1. Require Insurance companies to cover children until they are 26.
2. Require Insurance companies to NOT drop you when you get sick.
3. Require insurance companies offer coverage even if you are already sick
4. As an employer apply for and take tax credits to cover you employees.

I never realized how ignorant elected officials could be until I began to see the reaction to this law. EVERY state EVERY day sets the terms and conditions upon which business gets to operate. States ALREADY get to set the COVERAGE terms and limits insurance companies have to offer insurance. All the Feds are doing in this case is saying what the MINIMUMS are for every state. It does not nationalize medicine or even the insurance compaines so the whole “take over” argument is total and unadulterated BOVINE EXCREMENT!

The mandate question will be sustained by SCOTUS because there is not a single hospital or a single American trained doctor that was and or is not the beneficiary of PUBIC funding therefore the healthcare system in this country is a PUBLIC asset which would fall under the interstate commerce clause.

ah the good ole tenth The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people ie if the federal level forgot anything then its up to the states if your so hung up on the tenth stop driving on the federal roads my tax dollars paid for in your state and stop using my tax dollars to protect your ass

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That photo shows a Medicare recipient . . . protesting the existence of Medicare.

= the TeaBagger mentality

Wyoming, like that’s even a real place.

Remember what Forest Gump said, “stupid is as stupid does.”

The British set the standard for controlling occupied countries as part of its empire by setting one faction against another, therefore preventing a concenses among the “natives” to oppose the occupation. Those in power now are utilizing this methodology within this country. Americans are now being treated as an occupation population. It’s been clearly documented that the “tea party” movement is being financially supported by a right wing wealthy group who are using this tactic as a means of control against the public and so far it looks like the campaign is succeeding.

Nobody gives a damn about deficits ala Dick Cheney. Have you read James Galbraith on deficits?

I suggest you actually make arguments against what I posted. The mandate is a poll tax ala Maggie Thatcher’s “Community Charge.” Health Care reform means one thing and one thing only. A non-system aka Single Payer. Obamacare is not Single Payer but rather Romneycare and it will increase cost just like Romneycare has once the mandates are in place in 2012.

Real Progressives want single payer not Corporate Fascism. You aren’t progressive but a hack for the Democratic party without principles.

Nobody gives a damn about deficits ala Dick Cheney. Have you read James Galbraith on deficits?

I suggest you actually make arguments against what I posted. The mandate is a poll tax ala Maggie Thatcher’s “Community Charge.” Health Care reform means one thing and one thing only. A non-system aka Single Payer. Obamacare is not Single Payer but rather Romneycare and it will increase cost just like Romneycare has once the mandates are in place in 2012.

Real Progressives want single payer not Corporate Fascism. You aren’t progressive but a hack for the Democratic party without principles.

I don’t own any guns (yet).

Yes, now Obamacare require that you give your money to the Corps without hassle of government collecting it before it is handed to Health Care companies via subsidy.

Under Obamacare, the government is nothing but a bagman for looting by for profit insurance rackets. But you dems seems to believe that because the bagman while he pointing a gun to your head is a nice character because he promises to make the other bandit treat you nice after the robbery is done.

There is no commerce taking place. My decision not to buy something is not commerce. The mandate is not constitutional in any plain sense of language. Think people!. Think!

“The British set the standard”

Wow are you European-centric or what?

Perhaps it doesn’t occur to you that human emotions are shared by all humans? Perhaps it doesn’t occur to you that this is “one of the oldest tricks in the book”?
If you had bothered to read or pay attention in school you would see that it is a common tactic in EVERY culture!

Does your Anglo-Saxon mind think that the British invented everything?

Man! When you think that those booger eating morans in the red states couldn’t possibly get any stupider, then along comes Wyoming. The only reason Wyoming exists is to provide wives (sheep) to the average yokel who gets it on with ewe on Saturday Nite, then it is off to the Skunk Works on the sabbath to pray for crop failure…

Personally I believe that we should build a fence around all the Red States and let them remain inside and rot. They can have their own Authoritarian Government, their own for Profit Medical Care and their own decrepit Educational System… Let them believe in that Stone Age nonsense they call religion and when the rapture comes and all the offal is magically whisked off to the sky grandpa who will make them all ok again, then we can possibly sterilize the whole area and repopulate it with intelligent human beings who actually can think for themselves.

It’s a win win situation boys and gurls!

“My decision not to buy something is not commerce.”

Just shows how little you know about the word “commerce”

Less than 550,000 people. Fewer people than many of our smaller cities.

Two senators.

Something is really screwed up here.

Less than 550,000 people. Fewer people than many of our smaller cities.

Two senators.

Something is really screwed up here.

Uhm Fran….He’s RIGHT and as one of the more thoughtful posters here on RAW I’m a little surpirsed that you do not see that?

Uhm Fran….He’s RIGHT and as one of the more thoughtful posters here on RAW I’m a little surpirsed that you do not see that?

Does this mean we can cut off those yahoos’ Medicare, since it’s “government -run”?

Does this mean we can cut off those yahoos’ Medicare, since it’s “government -run”?

This is one of the oldest tricks in the book, setting people against each other.

It’s not a “British invention” and it’s wrong to say stuff like “Those in power now…” and “Americans are now…” because those in power have ALWAYS done it.

If you think that this is something new or different, you just don’t understand human nature.

If you think that this is “something new and different” and you “want to go back to the old ways” well you are just misguided.

You have no idea how old someone is on this site. One thing we do know for certain, based on your posts, is that you are one mean jerk.

“The British set the standard for controlling occupied countries as part of its empire by setting one faction against another”

Fran, Just so that you might learn something, Setting a standard is NOT the same as inventing the damn thing…

I am on the outside and looking in, and I am seeing the comprehensive level of the average american in total free fall these days.. Either that, or you have no ability to retain and understand anything that you read..

My family is not, nor have they ever been americans. I myself am only american because I was born in your country. I left for “greener pastures” decades ago, and today I along with pretty much the rest of the world see you for what you truly are. “The Worlds ignorant bully” that keeps trying to push some misguided form or tyranny on the rest of us through the barrel of a gun…

I look at the United States as an Empire in Free Fall. I see absolutely no possibility of your returning to a place of respect and honor as your country needs to be rebuilt from the ground up starting with the education system and the religious right needs to be totally destroyed in order for education and learning to even take root and have a chance…

Look at the IDIOTS in this picture! They are ALL senior citizens, I’m damned sure that ALL of them are on medicare, and they want to bitch about gov’t run health care? What the FUCK? Tell this IDIOT with the sign to give up her medicare and see how she likes NOT having gov’t run health care. Good luck getting ANYONE in the “free market” to even TALK to you about covering you. You would die within a year, lady, but by all means keep the gov’t away from helping YOU at all. MORON!

And good luck with passing a law that makes federal employees criminals for doing their jobs, Wyoming. This piece of SHIT isn’t going to see a second past it’s first court challenge, and the SHIT HEADS who are coming up with it KNOW that, too. They are doing this PURELY to FUCK THEIR PEOPLE OVER. And what a pity that their people are so fucking easily fooled. But then, Wyoming has NEVER been known for sanity or brilliant thinking.

This is just MORE proof that the GOP is really good at LYING. And it’s a shame that more of our citizens can’t think for themselves and see what is REALLY going on here.

And the bears are SMARTER.

I think it’s a sure bet.

I can’t comment on the article because my only thought is on that Medicare recepient old bag and the irony of that sign she’s carrying. Time to implement Sarah Palin’s ‘death panels’ and start with her. I don’t want whatever little I’m making these days tol go to ignorant, worthless pieces of shit like that. Take away her Medicaid and let her out on the cold. She’s earned it!

It is Wyoming, where the men are men and so are the sheep.

Hear, hear. I second that motion.

Not that it helps, but a lot of us on the inside see exactly what you see. It’s all around, you can’t ignore it. And the ugliness is getting worse as Amerikans are now beginning to turn on each other and do to each other what they have been doing to the rest of the world for hundreds of years. Payback is a bitch!

Don’t worry. They’ll blame it all on the liburals anyway. And, yes, you are right, let nature/selective process do its thing and eliminate the stupid first.

Such is the mad project called the ‘United States of America’ – don’t try to rationalize it or understand it. It’s a cancer. An abomination. Just think of how those of us who are marginally sane feel like being trapped in here, surrounded by all the madness.

Hallelujah, bruther! I believe we”ve got a Teabagger!

Hallelujah, bruther! I believe we”ve got a Teabagger!

Under Obamacare, the government is nothing but a bagman for looting by for profit insurance rackets.

Oh, lord, the irony! And the ignorance. But for the fact that there is a black man in office, none of these would be concerns of the mentally challenged. As they weren’t when good ole cowboys were in office.

Under Obamacare, the government is nothing but a bagman for looting by for profit insurance rackets.

Oh, lord, the irony! And the ignorance. But for the fact that there is a black man in office, none of these would be concerns of the mentally challenged. As they weren’t when good ole cowboys were in office.

“There is no commerce taking place. My decision not to buy something is not commerce.”

Yes, actually it is, especially since you *will* use medical resources sometime in your life. You just have a desire to have the rest of us pay for it, and that’s not going to happen. Sorry, everybody has to pull their own weight in society.

“The mandate is not constitutional in any plain sense of language”

You have absolutely no idea what the term “Constitutional” means. The government has every right to tax you – this is a tax.

“Think people!. Think!”

The greatest irony in this article is the Medicare recipients demanding no government medical care and the second greatest is this statement.

“There is no commerce taking place. My decision not to buy something is not commerce.”

Yes, actually it is, especially since you *will* use medical resources sometime in your life. You just have a desire to have the rest of us pay for it, and that’s not going to happen. Sorry, everybody has to pull their own weight in society.

“The mandate is not constitutional in any plain sense of language”

You have absolutely no idea what the term “Constitutional” means. The government has every right to tax you – this is a tax.

“Think people!. Think!”

The greatest irony in this article is the Medicare recipients demanding no government medical care and the second greatest is this statement.

I used to get frustrated by the picture of these smirking old people sopping up the Medicare while holding their moronic “stop government health care” signs until I realized these old shits aren’t stupid, they’re greedy and lazy.

They know perfectly well that they are the recipients of government largess, and they are happy to get it – they just want it all for themselves. They are advocating that the rest of us suffer so that they don’t have to.

Greedy, selfish young conservatives don’t turn into selfless old conservatives, they just become old and remain greedy and selfish. This makes me hate these sick fucks even more and think that putting them on an ice floe might be a good solution to the problem.

I used to get frustrated by the picture of these smirking old people sopping up the Medicare while holding their moronic “stop government health care” signs until I realized these old shits aren’t stupid, they’re greedy and lazy.

They know perfectly well that they are the recipients of government largess, and they are happy to get it – they just want it all for themselves. They are advocating that the rest of us suffer so that they don’t have to.

Greedy, selfish young conservatives don’t turn into selfless old conservatives, they just become old and remain greedy and selfish. This makes me hate these sick fucks even more and think that putting them on an ice floe might be a good solution to the problem.

I used to get frustrated by the picture of these smirking old people sopping up the Medicare while holding their moronic “stop government health care” signs until I realized these old shits aren’t stupid, they’re greedy and lazy.

They know perfectly well that they are the recipients of government largess, and they are happy to get it – they just want it all for themselves. They are advocating that the rest of us suffer so that they don’t have to.

Greedy, selfish young conservatives don’t turn into selfless old conservatives, they just become old and remain greedy and selfish. This makes me hate these sick fucks even more and think that putting them on an ice floe might be a good solution to the problem.

Everyone in the picture associated with this article is obviously old enough to be on medicare. I guess they want their healthcare, they just don’t care about other people getting healthcare. Typical red state lack of humanity. Also, Wyoming is one of the states that gets more federal dollars than they pay in. When they give up what amounts to federal welfare, then perhaps they can have a voice.

Everyone in the picture associated with this article is obviously old enough to be on medicare. I guess they want their healthcare, they just don’t care about other people getting healthcare. Typical red state lack of humanity. Also, Wyoming is one of the states that gets more federal dollars than they pay in. When they give up what amounts to federal welfare, then perhaps they can have a voice.

Everyone in the picture associated with this article is obviously old enough to be on medicare. I guess they want their healthcare, they just don’t care about other people getting healthcare. Typical red state lack of humanity. Also, Wyoming is one of the states that gets more federal dollars than they pay in. When they give up what amounts to federal welfare, then perhaps they can have a voice.

I think it is time the united states divided into several small countries.

I think it is time the united states divided into several small countries.

I think it is time the united states divided into several small countries.

I look at those pictures and I see people holding signs that says NO NO NO to Government run health care.
I hope that these people had let go and repudiated their Medicare before taking up those signs. If not, then they should wear badges as hypocrites.
Sad because I feel for our senior citizens.

I, for one, would happily welcome the end of the rape of the western states for the benefit of the eastern rulers. Many problems would instantly be gone.

Let me get this straight,You were born here and left to live in another country because you didn’t like it here.Hope you gave up your citizenship as well because you sound like a ungrateful bastard.Also the US is going down in flames quickly but so are quite a few other countries,Look at the UK the EU.The attempted rise of neo-Nazi parties in Germany.And not to mention the middle east.
But I have faith in the US, at some point we will get it all straightened out,and back on track.
As for you,quit worrying about the country you cast aside and take a look at you own nest.It might be dirtier!

You posit that there is no savings in the medical insurance reform bill. I respond that you are behind in your information on this point. The savings are proven, as even the republican opponents grudgingly admit. The next major stage to go into effect is limiting the loss ratio to 85%. This will be big progress, since some of the companies had loss ratios around 65%. Medicare operated at a loss ratio of 95%, while their enemies call them inefficient. I will not attempt to address the rest of your diatribe, because it attacks from so many angles it could take all day to respond.

You posit that there is no savings in the medical insurance reform bill. I respond that you are behind in your information on this point. The savings are proven, as even the republican opponents grudgingly admit. The next major stage to go into effect is limiting the loss ratio to 85%. This will be big progress, since some of the companies had loss ratios around 65%. Medicare operated at a loss ratio of 95%, while their enemies call them inefficient. I will not attempt to address the rest of your diatribe, because it attacks from so many angles it could take all day to respond.

Please leave us enough space to reply.

“You folks are morons for supporting the Obama-Romney Fascist Care scam. I support the people of Wyoming and if push comes to shove and the folks call on the rest us in there struggle against the corporate occupation Government. I shall give the why ever true progressive opposes Obama. I’m cross posting a series of blog articles from a progressive blogger who calls himself attempter (http://attempter.wordpress.com/). Read his words and be enlighted and join the resistence agains the illegitimate occupation government.”

This is the only portion of your post that can be ascribed to you. Please try to give us your own opinion. If you would like us to read others’, just cut and paste the URL.

So,what are you going to do for healthcare when your 65?

They are government employees. The will have the best available.

They will be crushed, but it will be slow. Nuts have gained control there through fear.

They will be crushed, but it will be slow. Nuts have gained control there through fear.

Medicare is one of the most inefficient,corrupt government programs that ever existed.If this is the way that the government will mange health care for the rest of us, we are in serious trouble.! More and more doctors in my area are dropping medicare because of low payments and untimely reimbursements even if you have supplemental insurance.What we need is a national healthcare plan funded in part by the US and it citizens and administered by a third party.Level of coverage should be the same for all,premiums scalable depending on income,and no forced enrollment,this is the main issue with Obama care.Dismantling Medicare would most likely cover the costs of this.All you naysayers don’t realize that it all comes out of our pockets at the end, at least try to economize

Your the moron in this. We need a different health care system than we have now and NOT government administered.Why do you think they are protesting! Obviously you are too young to have dealt with a large government agency and by the tone of your post your too stupid to have done it as well! Would love to see you hit 65 or get beaten down by a group of seniors holding picket signs!

Your the moron in this. We need a different health care system than we have now and NOT government administered.Why do you think they are protesting! Obviously you are too young to have dealt with a large government agency and by the tone of your post your too stupid to have done it as well! Would love to see you hit 65 or get beaten down by a group of seniors holding picket signs!

First is cost, 38th in care. Go USA.

First is cost, 38th in care. Go USA.

First is cost, 38th in care. Go USA.

It would obviously be way beyond Mephi’s intellectual capacity to answer that.

It would obviously be way beyond Mephi’s intellectual capacity to answer that.

It would obviously be way beyond Mephi’s intellectual capacity to answer that.

Where men are men and sheep are nervous.

Where men are men and sheep are nervous.

Where men are men and sheep are nervous.

Thanks for telling me. I couldn’t get past “You folks are morons for supporting the Obama-Romney Fascist Care scam. I support the people of Wyoming.” When I got to the word “Wyoming” I stopped reading. Boy am I glad I did, too!

I don’t believe any state law can make any action a federal felony.

I laughed out loud when I read the poster this senior citizen is holding. Apparently seniors don’t know that the SS checks they receive each month is issued by “big” government, and their Medicare is also “big” government health care.

If legislators in Wyoming are that concerned about the legality of health care, making it a federal offense, they should immediately out letters to individuals receiving Medicaid and Medicare. Legislators should tell the recipients if the proposed legislation is approved their benefits will be terminated, because the government will be in violation of Wyoming’s Health Care Choice and Protection Act.

Seniors and welfare recipients should be elated to know that their elected officials are looking out for their best interest. Of course, they may not have health care insurance, but they will know there in nothing political about the legislation. They can use the ER for health care.

I laughed out loud when I read the poster this senior citizen is holding. Apparently seniors don’t know that the SS checks they receive each month is issued by “big” government, and their Medicare is also “big” government health care.

If legislators in Wyoming are that concerned about the legality of health care, making it a federal offense, they should immediately out letters to individuals receiving Medicaid and Medicare. Legislators should tell the recipients if the proposed legislation is approved their benefits will be terminated, because the government will be in violation of Wyoming’s Health Care Choice and Protection Act.

Seniors and welfare recipients should be elated to know that their elected officials are looking out for their best interest. Of course, they may not have health care insurance, but they will know there in nothing political about the legislation. They can use the ER for health care.

Head out of your own ass, please. I’m plenty old to have dealt with gov’t and I don’t appreciate your IDIOCY .

Why are they protesting? Because they have been LIED to by the right, and I can say that for a fact, I live right next to Wyoming and as Your Sarah Palin said, I can see it from my front door. These people are all WELL old enough to be on Medicare, and I’m MORE than willing to bet that EVERY ONE of them is not only on it, but has what health they have BECAUSE of it. And yet, they want to stop gov’t health care. If THAT isn’t the epitome of ignorance, I don’t know what it.

As to whether I support “Obamacare”, which is a RIGHT WING manufactured phrase to begin with and you should be ashamed for stooping to use it, I am for a single payer system, and that is the ONLY thing that will EVER make a dent in the problem. So you can take your assumptions and shove them BACK UP YOUR ASS where they came from.

And once again, the rightie calls for violence against someone for a political disagreement. And just so you know, I play music for old people several times a month, they LIKE me, I doubt they are going to beat on me because I want them to have BETTER health care.

And you are an arrogant, pig headed fool. Have a nice day.

Head out of your own ass, please. I’m plenty old to have dealt with gov’t and I don’t appreciate your IDIOCY .

Why are they protesting? Because they have been LIED to by the right, and I can say that for a fact, I live right next to Wyoming and as Your Sarah Palin said, I can see it from my front door. These people are all WELL old enough to be on Medicare, and I’m MORE than willing to bet that EVERY ONE of them is not only on it, but has what health they have BECAUSE of it. And yet, they want to stop gov’t health care. If THAT isn’t the epitome of ignorance, I don’t know what it.

As to whether I support “Obamacare”, which is a RIGHT WING manufactured phrase to begin with and you should be ashamed for stooping to use it, I am for a single payer system, and that is the ONLY thing that will EVER make a dent in the problem. So you can take your assumptions and shove them BACK UP YOUR ASS where they came from.

And once again, the rightie calls for violence against someone for a political disagreement. And just so you know, I play music for old people several times a month, they LIKE me, I doubt they are going to beat on me because I want them to have BETTER health care.

And you are an arrogant, pig headed fool. Have a nice day.

You should read The Raw Story

“Health insurance costs for hundreds of thousands of individual policy holders with Blue Shield of California could go up as much 59 percent this year, according to the Los Angeles Times.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/blue-shield-california-plans-huge-rate-increases/

I live in North California, I would love it if they split the state in
half. South California can keep their politicians and we can keep our water.

Hmm, wonder just how wyoming would feel about getting federal help if that supervolcano sitting under yellowstone suddenly erupted. Sounds like their real intention is to have a fed vs state authority challenge go before the bush appointed knucklehead majority in SCOTUS. Probably all part of a rove plan to take over through corporate run facism.

“Benjamin Franklin was shown the new American constitution, and he said, ‘I don’t like it, but I will vote for it because we need something right now. But this constitution in time will fail, as all such efforts do. And it will fail because of the corruption of the people, in a general sense.’ And that is what it has come to now, exactly as Franklin predicted.”

- Gore Vidal -

Fuck wyoming right in the ass. Remove and revoke any federal aid and truely give them their freedoms…. bithes would be sniveling days latter.

Fuck wyoming right in the ass. Remove and revoke any federal aid and truely give them their freedoms…. bithes would be sniveling days latter.

Fuck wyoming right in the ass. Remove and revoke any federal aid and truely give them their freedoms…. bithes would be sniveling days latter.

That is because of the health care reforms that we passed under obama care.BCBS is not the only one doing this. Most major health insurers are doing this well in advance of the changes mandated for 2013>14.Now if you read what I posted I never said anything about private insurance.

For one thing a republican nor democrat I am not. You on the other hand are a one sided bigot,unable to see past your own views and anyone that disagrees should be banished.Your immaturity shows in the tone of your post.It smacks of a 18 year troll living in Momma’s basement. And if those seniors found out about attitude,you couldn’t run fast enough!

Since when does the elected officials have the right to do any d… thing they please as if they are a dictator.
Thats’ right this dictator BS was started by Bush / Cheney and the republicans in their previous dictatorial administration.. Obama / democrats have not found the balls to stop it.

Since when does the elected officials have the right to do any d… thing they please as if they are a dictator.
Thats’ right this dictator BS was started by Bush / Cheney and the republicans in their previous dictatorial administration.. Obama / democrats have not found the balls to stop it.

Them damn yankees really are daft.

Them damn yankees really are daft.

There has been so much hate propagandized into them and lots only listen to Fox and the corporate ?news? media only. They do not know just what is really happening with these programs.
Obama and the democrats screwed up when they cut some of Social Security and did not explain what was in the health bill and what was not in the health bill.
But you only see seniors which have hate of some type and the strict republicans seniors which just follow orders.
You know that the religious organizations are preaching 24/7 against any democrats and any policy they try or do pass today don’t you.

There has been so much hate propagandized into them and lots only listen to Fox and the corporate ?news? media only. They do not know just what is really happening with these programs.
Obama and the democrats screwed up when they cut some of Social Security and did not explain what was in the health bill and what was not in the health bill.
But you only see seniors which have hate of some type and the strict republicans seniors which just follow orders.
You know that the religious organizations are preaching 24/7 against any democrats and any policy they try or do pass today don’t you.

Shitwit Rednecks violate law AGAIN.

Newsyawn at 11.

Just like she used to do ….RUN TO CANADA !

Just like she used to do ….RUN TO CANADA !

You are an IDIOT

You are an IDIOT

Dick Cheney

Dick Cheney

Dick Cheney

Dick Cheney

In this case it’s stupid does as stupid is.

In this case it’s stupid does as stupid is.

In this case it’s stupid does as stupid is.

In this case it’s stupid does as stupid is.

I’m not telling ANYONE to leave the country, though just so far today I’ve been told to move to Somalia, North Korea, and Iran, ALL from WONDERFUL EXAMPLES of American tolerance such as yourself. Not to mention, your ORIGINAL statement about how horrible gov’t “administered” health care is. Ask the Vets who are in a TOTALLY gov’t administered system just how horrible it is, and whether they would rather be at the mercy of the same insurance SCUM that we are. I’ve NEVER talked to ONE that would rather get screwed like the rest of us do.

And for the record, single payer is NOT about the gov’t running anything but writing the checks for services rendered. The fact that you clearly don’t understand ANY of that is a real shame. It keeps you from sounding like anything but a lunatic yourself.

As to my maturity level, that is not for you to decide, seeing as how you have yet to do anything but insult me as well. GREAT example YOU are yourself. Point one finger at someone else, you have 3 more pointing right back at you.

And can’t you come up with ANYTHING more original than an 18 year old troll in his momma’s basement? We on this site stopped using that about 5 years ago. It doesn’t further your argument, and it just shows your own arrogance.

Come back when you want to discuss something like an adult, which I assure you at 52 years of age, I am. And then we can discuss why we pay twice what the next most expensive country pays, and we are down in the mid 30′s for ratings of countries where our medical outcomes are concerned. And how NO other country in the world allows it’s people to die for lack of care or go bankrupt because they dared to get sick. And then we will discuss how NO other country allows it’s people’s health to be held hostage for PROFIT. And then we will talk about how ONLY single payer systems work for THE PEOPLE, which is why EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLDS has one.

We aren’t even talking about a socialized system, just one where WE aren’t getting fucked daily for the benefit of some rich bastard’s bottom line. Just one that doesn’t kill us off for profit. One where we pay the bills as a society for EVERYONE, not just for the rich.

You can either pay for profit, or you can pay for health care. Which makes sense to you? (I know that is a loaded question, but TRY to answer it like an adult).

I’m not telling ANYONE to leave the country, though just so far today I’ve been told to move to Somalia, North Korea, and Iran, ALL from WONDERFUL EXAMPLES of American tolerance such as yourself. Not to mention, your ORIGINAL statement about how horrible gov’t “administered” health care is. Ask the Vets who are in a TOTALLY gov’t administered system just how horrible it is, and whether they would rather be at the mercy of the same insurance SCUM that we are. I’ve NEVER talked to ONE that would rather get screwed like the rest of us do.

And for the record, single payer is NOT about the gov’t running anything but writing the checks for services rendered. The fact that you clearly don’t understand ANY of that is a real shame. It keeps you from sounding like anything but a lunatic yourself.

As to my maturity level, that is not for you to decide, seeing as how you have yet to do anything but insult me as well. GREAT example YOU are yourself. Point one finger at someone else, you have 3 more pointing right back at you.

And can’t you come up with ANYTHING more original than an 18 year old troll in his momma’s basement? We on this site stopped using that about 5 years ago. It doesn’t further your argument, and it just shows your own arrogance.

Come back when you want to discuss something like an adult, which I assure you at 52 years of age, I am. And then we can discuss why we pay twice what the next most expensive country pays, and we are down in the mid 30′s for ratings of countries where our medical outcomes are concerned. And how NO other country in the world allows it’s people to die for lack of care or go bankrupt because they dared to get sick. And then we will discuss how NO other country allows it’s people’s health to be held hostage for PROFIT. And then we will talk about how ONLY single payer systems work for THE PEOPLE, which is why EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLDS has one.

We aren’t even talking about a socialized system, just one where WE aren’t getting fucked daily for the benefit of some rich bastard’s bottom line. Just one that doesn’t kill us off for profit. One where we pay the bills as a society for EVERYONE, not just for the rich.

You can either pay for profit, or you can pay for health care. Which makes sense to you? (I know that is a loaded question, but TRY to answer it like an adult).

I’m not telling ANYONE to leave the country, though just so far today I’ve been told to move to Somalia, North Korea, and Iran, ALL from WONDERFUL EXAMPLES of American tolerance such as yourself. Not to mention, your ORIGINAL statement about how horrible gov’t “administered” health care is. Ask the Vets who are in a TOTALLY gov’t administered system just how horrible it is, and whether they would rather be at the mercy of the same insurance SCUM that we are. I’ve NEVER talked to ONE that would rather get screwed like the rest of us do.

And for the record, single payer is NOT about the gov’t running anything but writing the checks for services rendered. The fact that you clearly don’t understand ANY of that is a real shame. It keeps you from sounding like anything but a lunatic yourself.

As to my maturity level, that is not for you to decide, seeing as how you have yet to do anything but insult me as well. GREAT example YOU are yourself. Point one finger at someone else, you have 3 more pointing right back at you.

And can’t you come up with ANYTHING more original than an 18 year old troll in his momma’s basement? We on this site stopped using that about 5 years ago. It doesn’t further your argument, and it just shows your own arrogance.

Come back when you want to discuss something like an adult, which I assure you at 52 years of age, I am. And then we can discuss why we pay twice what the next most expensive country pays, and we are down in the mid 30′s for ratings of countries where our medical outcomes are concerned. And how NO other country in the world allows it’s people to die for lack of care or go bankrupt because they dared to get sick. And then we will discuss how NO other country allows it’s people’s health to be held hostage for PROFIT. And then we will talk about how ONLY single payer systems work for THE PEOPLE, which is why EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLDS has one.

We aren’t even talking about a socialized system, just one where WE aren’t getting fucked daily for the benefit of some rich bastard’s bottom line. Just one that doesn’t kill us off for profit. One where we pay the bills as a society for EVERYONE, not just for the rich.

You can either pay for profit, or you can pay for health care. Which makes sense to you? (I know that is a loaded question, but TRY to answer it like an adult).

I’m not telling ANYONE to leave the country, though just so far today I’ve been told to move to Somalia, North Korea, and Iran, ALL from WONDERFUL EXAMPLES of American tolerance such as yourself. Not to mention, your ORIGINAL statement about how horrible gov’t “administered” health care is. Ask the Vets who are in a TOTALLY gov’t administered system just how horrible it is, and whether they would rather be at the mercy of the same insurance SCUM that we are. I’ve NEVER talked to ONE that would rather get screwed like the rest of us do.

And for the record, single payer is NOT about the gov’t running anything but writing the checks for services rendered. The fact that you clearly don’t understand ANY of that is a real shame. It keeps you from sounding like anything but a lunatic yourself.

As to my maturity level, that is not for you to decide, seeing as how you have yet to do anything but insult me as well. GREAT example YOU are yourself. Point one finger at someone else, you have 3 more pointing right back at you.

And can’t you come up with ANYTHING more original than an 18 year old troll in his momma’s basement? We on this site stopped using that about 5 years ago. It doesn’t further your argument, and it just shows your own arrogance.

Come back when you want to discuss something like an adult, which I assure you at 52 years of age, I am. And then we can discuss why we pay twice what the next most expensive country pays, and we are down in the mid 30′s for ratings of countries where our medical outcomes are concerned. And how NO other country in the world allows it’s people to die for lack of care or go bankrupt because they dared to get sick. And then we will discuss how NO other country allows it’s people’s health to be held hostage for PROFIT. And then we will talk about how ONLY single payer systems work for THE PEOPLE, which is why EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLDS has one.

We aren’t even talking about a socialized system, just one where WE aren’t getting fucked daily for the benefit of some rich bastard’s bottom line. Just one that doesn’t kill us off for profit. One where we pay the bills as a society for EVERYONE, not just for the rich.

You can either pay for profit, or you can pay for health care. Which makes sense to you? (I know that is a loaded question, but TRY to answer it like an adult).

I’m not telling ANYONE to leave the country, though just so far today I’ve been told to move to Somalia, North Korea, and Iran, ALL from WONDERFUL EXAMPLES of American tolerance such as yourself. Not to mention, your ORIGINAL statement about how horrible gov’t “administered” health care is. Ask the Vets who are in a TOTALLY gov’t administered system just how horrible it is, and whether they would rather be at the mercy of the same insurance SCUM that we are. I’ve NEVER talked to ONE that would rather get screwed like the rest of us do.

And for the record, single payer is NOT about the gov’t running anything but writing the checks for services rendered. The fact that you clearly don’t understand ANY of that is a real shame. It keeps you from sounding like anything but a lunatic yourself.

As to my maturity level, that is not for you to decide, seeing as how you have yet to do anything but insult me as well. GREAT example YOU are yourself. Point one finger at someone else, you have 3 more pointing right back at you.

And can’t you come up with ANYTHING more original than an 18 year old troll in his momma’s basement? We on this site stopped using that about 5 years ago. It doesn’t further your argument, and it just shows your own arrogance.

Come back when you want to discuss something like an adult, which I assure you at 52 years of age, I am. And then we can discuss why we pay twice what the next most expensive country pays, and we are down in the mid 30′s for ratings of countries where our medical outcomes are concerned. And how NO other country in the world allows it’s people to die for lack of care or go bankrupt because they dared to get sick. And then we will discuss how NO other country allows it’s people’s health to be held hostage for PROFIT. And then we will talk about how ONLY single payer systems work for THE PEOPLE, which is why EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLDS has one.

We aren’t even talking about a socialized system, just one where WE aren’t getting fucked daily for the benefit of some rich bastard’s bottom line. Just one that doesn’t kill us off for profit. One where we pay the bills as a society for EVERYONE, not just for the rich.

You can either pay for profit, or you can pay for health care. Which makes sense to you? (I know that is a loaded question, but TRY to answer it like an adult).

I’m not telling ANYONE to leave the country, though just so far today I’ve been told to move to Somalia, North Korea, and Iran, ALL from WONDERFUL EXAMPLES of American tolerance such as yourself. Not to mention, your ORIGINAL statement about how horrible gov’t “administered” health care is. Ask the Vets who are in a TOTALLY gov’t administered system just how horrible it is, and whether they would rather be at the mercy of the same insurance SCUM that we are. I’ve NEVER talked to ONE that would rather get screwed like the rest of us do.

And for the record, single payer is NOT about the gov’t running anything but writing the checks for services rendered. The fact that you clearly don’t understand ANY of that is a real shame. It keeps you from sounding like anything but a lunatic yourself.

As to my maturity level, that is not for you to decide, seeing as how you have yet to do anything but insult me as well. GREAT example YOU are yourself. Point one finger at someone else, you have 3 more pointing right back at you.

And can’t you come up with ANYTHING more original than an 18 year old troll in his momma’s basement? We on this site stopped using that about 5 years ago. It doesn’t further your argument, and it just shows your own arrogance.

Come back when you want to discuss something like an adult, which I assure you at 52 years of age, I am. And then we can discuss why we pay twice what the next most expensive country pays, and we are down in the mid 30′s for ratings of countries where our medical outcomes are concerned. And how NO other country in the world allows it’s people to die for lack of care or go bankrupt because they dared to get sick. And then we will discuss how NO other country allows it’s people’s health to be held hostage for PROFIT. And then we will talk about how ONLY single payer systems work for THE PEOPLE, which is why EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLDS has one.

We aren’t even talking about a socialized system, just one where WE aren’t getting fucked daily for the benefit of some rich bastard’s bottom line. Just one that doesn’t kill us off for profit. One where we pay the bills as a society for EVERYONE, not just for the rich.

You can either pay for profit, or you can pay for health care. Which makes sense to you? (I know that is a loaded question, but TRY to answer it like an adult).

I’m not telling ANYONE to leave the country, though just so far today I’ve been told to move to Somalia, North Korea, and Iran, ALL from WONDERFUL EXAMPLES of American tolerance such as yourself. Not to mention, your ORIGINAL statement about how horrible gov’t “administered” health care is. Ask the Vets who are in a TOTALLY gov’t administered system just how horrible it is, and whether they would rather be at the mercy of the same insurance SCUM that we are. I’ve NEVER talked to ONE that would rather get screwed like the rest of us do.

And for the record, single payer is NOT about the gov’t running anything but writing the checks for services rendered. The fact that you clearly don’t understand ANY of that is a real shame. It keeps you from sounding like anything but a lunatic yourself.

As to my maturity level, that is not for you to decide, seeing as how you have yet to do anything but insult me as well. GREAT example YOU are yourself. Point one finger at someone else, you have 3 more pointing right back at you.

And can’t you come up with ANYTHING more original than an 18 year old troll in his momma’s basement? We on this site stopped using that about 5 years ago. It doesn’t further your argument, and it just shows your own arrogance.

Come back when you want to discuss something like an adult, which I assure you at 52 years of age, I am. And then we can discuss why we pay twice what the next most expensive country pays, and we are down in the mid 30′s for ratings of countries where our medical outcomes are concerned. And how NO other country in the world allows it’s people to die for lack of care or go bankrupt because they dared to get sick. And then we will discuss how NO other country allows it’s people’s health to be held hostage for PROFIT. And then we will talk about how ONLY single payer systems work for THE PEOPLE, which is why EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLDS has one.

We aren’t even talking about a socialized system, just one where WE aren’t getting fucked daily for the benefit of some rich bastard’s bottom line. Just one that doesn’t kill us off for profit. One where we pay the bills as a society for EVERYONE, not just for the rich.

You can either pay for profit, or you can pay for health care. Which makes sense to you? (I know that is a loaded question, but TRY to answer it like an adult).

I’m not telling ANYONE to leave the country, though just so far today I’ve been told to move to Somalia, North Korea, and Iran, ALL from WONDERFUL EXAMPLES of American tolerance such as yourself. Not to mention, your ORIGINAL statement about how horrible gov’t “administered” health care is. Ask the Vets who are in a TOTALLY gov’t administered system just how horrible it is, and whether they would rather be at the mercy of the same insurance SCUM that we are. I’ve NEVER talked to ONE that would rather get screwed like the rest of us do.

And for the record, single payer is NOT about the gov’t running anything but writing the checks for services rendered. The fact that you clearly don’t understand ANY of that is a real shame. It keeps you from sounding like anything but a lunatic yourself.

As to my maturity level, that is not for you to decide, seeing as how you have yet to do anything but insult me as well. GREAT example YOU are yourself. Point one finger at someone else, you have 3 more pointing right back at you.

And can’t you come up with ANYTHING more original than an 18 year old troll in his momma’s basement? We on this site stopped using that about 5 years ago. It doesn’t further your argument, and it just shows your own arrogance.

Come back when you want to discuss something like an adult, which I assure you at 52 years of age, I am. And then we can discuss why we pay twice what the next most expensive country pays, and we are down in the mid 30′s for ratings of countries where our medical outcomes are concerned. And how NO other country in the world allows it’s people to die for lack of care or go bankrupt because they dared to get sick. And then we will discuss how NO other country allows it’s people’s health to be held hostage for PROFIT. And then we will talk about how ONLY single payer systems work for THE PEOPLE, which is why EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLDS has one.

We aren’t even talking about a socialized system, just one where WE aren’t getting fucked daily for the benefit of some rich bastard’s bottom line. Just one that doesn’t kill us off for profit. One where we pay the bills as a society for EVERYONE, not just for the rich.

You can either pay for profit, or you can pay for health care. Which makes sense to you? (I know that is a loaded question, but TRY to answer it like an adult).

I’m not telling ANYONE to leave the country, though just so far today I’ve been told to move to Somalia, North Korea, and Iran, ALL from WONDERFUL EXAMPLES of American tolerance such as yourself. Not to mention, your ORIGINAL statement about how horrible gov’t “administered” health care is. Ask the Vets who are in a TOTALLY gov’t administered system just how horrible it is, and whether they would rather be at the mercy of the same insurance SCUM that we are. I’ve NEVER talked to ONE that would rather get screwed like the rest of us do.

And for the record, single payer is NOT about the gov’t running anything but writing the checks for services rendered. The fact that you clearly don’t understand ANY of that is a real shame. It keeps you from sounding like anything but a lunatic yourself.

As to my maturity level, that is not for you to decide, seeing as how you have yet to do anything but insult me as well. GREAT example YOU are yourself. Point one finger at someone else, you have 3 more pointing right back at you.

And can’t you come up with ANYTHING more original than an 18 year old troll in his momma’s basement? We on this site stopped using that about 5 years ago. It doesn’t further your argument, and it just shows your own arrogance.

Come back when you want to discuss something like an adult, which I assure you at 52 years of age, I am. And then we can discuss why we pay twice what the next most expensive country pays, and we are down in the mid 30′s for ratings of countries where our medical outcomes are concerned. And how NO other country in the world allows it’s people to die for lack of care or go bankrupt because they dared to get sick. And then we will discuss how NO other country allows it’s people’s health to be held hostage for PROFIT. And then we will talk about how ONLY single payer systems work for THE PEOPLE, which is why EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLDS has one.

We aren’t even talking about a socialized system, just one where WE aren’t getting fucked daily for the benefit of some rich bastard’s bottom line. Just one that doesn’t kill us off for profit. One where we pay the bills as a society for EVERYONE, not just for the rich.

You can either pay for profit, or you can pay for health care. Which makes sense to you? (I know that is a loaded question, but TRY to answer it like an adult).

I’m not telling ANYONE to leave the country, though just so far today I’ve been told to move to Somalia, North Korea, and Iran, ALL from WONDERFUL EXAMPLES of American tolerance such as yourself. Not to mention, your ORIGINAL statement about how horrible gov’t “administered” health care is. Ask the Vets who are in a TOTALLY gov’t administered system just how horrible it is, and whether they would rather be at the mercy of the same insurance SCUM that we are. I’ve NEVER talked to ONE that would rather get screwed like the rest of us do.

And for the record, single payer is NOT about the gov’t running anything but writing the checks for services rendered. The fact that you clearly don’t understand ANY of that is a real shame. It keeps you from sounding like anything but a lunatic yourself.

As to my maturity level, that is not for you to decide, seeing as how you have yet to do anything but insult me as well. GREAT example YOU are yourself. Point one finger at someone else, you have 3 more pointing right back at you.

And can’t you come up with ANYTHING more original than an 18 year old troll in his momma’s basement? We on this site stopped using that about 5 years ago. It doesn’t further your argument, and it just shows your own arrogance.

Come back when you want to discuss something like an adult, which I assure you at 52 years of age, I am. And then we can discuss why we pay twice what the next most expensive country pays, and we are down in the mid 30′s for ratings of countries where our medical outcomes are concerned. And how NO other country in the world allows it’s people to die for lack of care or go bankrupt because they dared to get sick. And then we will discuss how NO other country allows it’s people’s health to be held hostage for PROFIT. And then we will talk about how ONLY single payer systems work for THE PEOPLE, which is why EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLDS has one.

We aren’t even talking about a socialized system, just one where WE aren’t getting fucked daily for the benefit of some rich bastard’s bottom line. Just one that doesn’t kill us off for profit. One where we pay the bills as a society for EVERYONE, not just for the rich.

You can either pay for profit, or you can pay for health care. Which makes sense to you? (I know that is a loaded question, but TRY to answer it like an adult).

I’m not telling ANYONE to leave the country, though just so far today I’ve been told to move to Somalia, North Korea, and Iran, ALL from WONDERFUL EXAMPLES of American tolerance such as yourself. Not to mention, your ORIGINAL statement about how horrible gov’t “administered” health care is. Ask the Vets who are in a TOTALLY gov’t administered system just how horrible it is, and whether they would rather be at the mercy of the same insurance SCUM that we are. I’ve NEVER talked to ONE that would rather get screwed like the rest of us do.

And for the record, single payer is NOT about the gov’t running anything but writing the checks for services rendered. The fact that you clearly don’t understand ANY of that is a real shame. It keeps you from sounding like anything but a lunatic yourself.

As to my maturity level, that is not for you to decide, seeing as how you have yet to do anything but insult me as well. GREAT example YOU are yourself. Point one finger at someone else, you have 3 more pointing right back at you.

And can’t you come up with ANYTHING more original than an 18 year old troll in his momma’s basement? We on this site stopped using that about 5 years ago. It doesn’t further your argument, and it just shows your own arrogance.

Come back when you want to discuss something like an adult, which I assure you at 52 years of age, I am. And then we can discuss why we pay twice what the next most expensive country pays, and we are down in the mid 30′s for ratings of countries where our medical outcomes are concerned. And how NO other country in the world allows it’s people to die for lack of care or go bankrupt because they dared to get sick. And then we will discuss how NO other country allows it’s people’s health to be held hostage for PROFIT. And then we will talk about how ONLY single payer systems work for THE PEOPLE, which is why EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLDS has one.

We aren’t even talking about a socialized system, just one where WE aren’t getting fucked daily for the benefit of some rich bastard’s bottom line. Just one that doesn’t kill us off for profit. One where we pay the bills as a society for EVERYONE, not just for the rich.

You can either pay for profit, or you can pay for health care. Which makes sense to you? (I know that is a loaded question, but TRY to answer it like an adult).

I’m not telling ANYONE to leave the country, though just so far today I’ve been told to move to Somalia, North Korea, and Iran, ALL from WONDERFUL EXAMPLES of American tolerance such as yourself. Not to mention, your ORIGINAL statement about how horrible gov’t “administered” health care is. Ask the Vets who are in a TOTALLY gov’t administered system just how horrible it is, and whether they would rather be at the mercy of the same insurance SCUM that we are. I’ve NEVER talked to ONE that would rather get screwed like the rest of us do.

And for the record, single payer is NOT about the gov’t running anything but writing the checks for services rendered. The fact that you clearly don’t understand ANY of that is a real shame. It keeps you from sounding like anything but a lunatic yourself.

As to my maturity level, that is not for you to decide, seeing as how you have yet to do anything but insult me as well. GREAT example YOU are yourself. Point one finger at someone else, you have 3 more pointing right back at you.

And can’t you come up with ANYTHING more original than an 18 year old troll in his momma’s basement? We on this site stopped using that about 5 years ago. It doesn’t further your argument, and it just shows your own arrogance.

Come back when you want to discuss something like an adult, which I assure you at 52 years of age, I am. And then we can discuss why we pay twice what the next most expensive country pays, and we are down in the mid 30′s for ratings of countries where our medical outcomes are concerned. And how NO other country in the world allows it’s people to die for lack of care or go bankrupt because they dared to get sick. And then we will discuss how NO other country allows it’s people’s health to be held hostage for PROFIT. And then we will talk about how ONLY single payer systems work for THE PEOPLE, which is why EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLDS has one.

We aren’t even talking about a socialized system, just one where WE aren’t getting fucked daily for the benefit of some rich bastard’s bottom line. Just one that doesn’t kill us off for profit. One where we pay the bills as a society for EVERYONE, not just for the rich.

You can either pay for profit, or you can pay for health care. Which makes sense to you? (I know that is a loaded question, but TRY to answer it like an adult).

I’m not telling ANYONE to leave the country, though just so far today I’ve been told to move to Somalia, North Korea, and Iran, ALL from WONDERFUL EXAMPLES of American tolerance such as yourself. Not to mention, your ORIGINAL statement about how horrible gov’t “administered” health care is. Ask the Vets who are in a TOTALLY gov’t administered system just how horrible it is, and whether they would rather be at the mercy of the same insurance SCUM that we are. I’ve NEVER talked to ONE that would rather get screwed like the rest of us do.

And for the record, single payer is NOT about the gov’t running anything but writing the checks for services rendered. The fact that you clearly don’t understand ANY of that is a real shame. It keeps you from sounding like anything but a lunatic yourself.

As to my maturity level, that is not for you to decide, seeing as how you have yet to do anything but insult me as well. GREAT example YOU are yourself. Point one finger at someone else, you have 3 more pointing right back at you.

And can’t you come up with ANYTHING more original than an 18 year old troll in his momma’s basement? We on this site stopped using that about 5 years ago. It doesn’t further your argument, and it just shows your own arrogance.

Come back when you want to discuss something like an adult, which I assure you at 52 years of age, I am. And then we can discuss why we pay twice what the next most expensive country pays, and we are down in the mid 30′s for ratings of countries where our medical outcomes are concerned. And how NO other country in the world allows it’s people to die for lack of care or go bankrupt because they dared to get sick. And then we will discuss how NO other country allows it’s people’s health to be held hostage for PROFIT. And then we will talk about how ONLY single payer systems work for THE PEOPLE, which is why EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLDS has one.

We aren’t even talking about a socialized system, just one where WE aren’t getting fucked daily for the benefit of some rich bastard’s bottom line. Just one that doesn’t kill us off for profit. One where we pay the bills as a society for EVERYONE, not just for the rich.

You can either pay for profit, or you can pay for health care. Which makes sense to you? (I know that is a loaded question, but TRY to answer it like an adult).

I’m not telling ANYONE to leave the country, though just so far today I’ve been told to move to Somalia, North Korea, and Iran, ALL from WONDERFUL EXAMPLES of American tolerance such as yourself. Not to mention, your ORIGINAL statement about how horrible gov’t “administered” health care is. Ask the Vets who are in a TOTALLY gov’t administered system just how horrible it is, and whether they would rather be at the mercy of the same insurance SCUM that we are. I’ve NEVER talked to ONE that would rather get screwed like the rest of us do.

And for the record, single payer is NOT about the gov’t running anything but writing the checks for services rendered. The fact that you clearly don’t understand ANY of that is a real shame. It keeps you from sounding like anything but a lunatic yourself.

As to my maturity level, that is not for you to decide, seeing as how you have yet to do anything but insult me as well. GREAT example YOU are yourself. Point one finger at someone else, you have 3 more pointing right back at you.

And can’t you come up with ANYTHING more original than an 18 year old troll in his momma’s basement? We on this site stopped using that about 5 years ago. It doesn’t further your argument, and it just shows your own arrogance.

Come back when you want to discuss something like an adult, which I assure you at 52 years of age, I am. And then we can discuss why we pay twice what the next most expensive country pays, and we are down in the mid 30′s for ratings of countries where our medical outcomes are concerned. And how NO other country in the world allows it’s people to die for lack of care or go bankrupt because they dared to get sick. And then we will discuss how NO other country allows it’s people’s health to be held hostage for PROFIT. And then we will talk about how ONLY single payer systems work for THE PEOPLE, which is why EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLDS has one.

We aren’t even talking about a socialized system, just one where WE aren’t getting fucked daily for the benefit of some rich bastard’s bottom line. Just one that doesn’t kill us off for profit. One where we pay the bills as a society for EVERYONE, not just for the rich.

You can either pay for profit, or you can pay for health care. Which makes sense to you? (I know that is a loaded question, but TRY to answer it like an adult).

We in Colorado would rather keep our water than send it off to LA, too. That is what allows those people to have lawns, while we are being told NOT to water every year, now. I personally don’t mind that, as we are on the edge of the Great American Desert, and lawns don’t belong here, so I don’t have one. But I’m really getting tired of having to kiss off my water so that LA can have green lawns.

And you have the gall to call ME an idiot. Look in the mirror.

They use a lot of the water for agriculture in the Imperial Valley. But
eveb that water is spent growing cotton and pasture land. I love to play
golf, but I think the use too much for golf courses also.

I really wish they had a way to store the water when we have a surplus. It
has rained so much in Northern CA. this year, the rivers are high and the
water is just running out into the bay and ocean.

Ken

They use a lot of the water for agriculture in the Imperial Valley. But
eveb that water is spent growing cotton and pasture land. I love to play
golf, but I think the use too much for golf courses also.

I really wish they had a way to store the water when we have a surplus. It
has rained so much in Northern CA. this year, the rivers are high and the
water is just running out into the bay and ocean.

Ken

They use a lot of the water for agriculture in the Imperial Valley. But
eveb that water is spent growing cotton and pasture land. I love to play
golf, but I think the use too much for golf courses also.

I really wish they had a way to store the water when we have a surplus. It
has rained so much in Northern CA. this year, the rivers are high and the
water is just running out into the bay and ocean.

Ken

They use a lot of the water for agriculture in the Imperial Valley. But
eveb that water is spent growing cotton and pasture land. I love to play
golf, but I think the use too much for golf courses also.

I really wish they had a way to store the water when we have a surplus. It
has rained so much in Northern CA. this year, the rivers are high and the
water is just running out into the bay and ocean.

Ken

They use a lot of the water for agriculture in the Imperial Valley. But
eveb that water is spent growing cotton and pasture land. I love to play
golf, but I think the use too much for golf courses also.

I really wish they had a way to store the water when we have a surplus. It
has rained so much in Northern CA. this year, the rivers are high and the
water is just running out into the bay and ocean.

Ken

They use a lot of the water for agriculture in the Imperial Valley. But
eveb that water is spent growing cotton and pasture land. I love to play
golf, but I think the use too much for golf courses also.

I really wish they had a way to store the water when we have a surplus. It
has rained so much in Northern CA. this year, the rivers are high and the
water is just running out into the bay and ocean.

Ken

They use a lot of the water for agriculture in the Imperial Valley. But
eveb that water is spent growing cotton and pasture land. I love to play
golf, but I think the use too much for golf courses also.

I really wish they had a way to store the water when we have a surplus. It
has rained so much in Northern CA. this year, the rivers are high and the
water is just running out into the bay and ocean.

Ken

The GOP is being run by the whackos in the John Birch Society, the religious right taliban, Ku Kluxers, Skinheads and the red neck trailer parks. What a bunch of freaking nutcases. They do all this over lies they have been told about the healthcare bill. They pass goofy laws over misinformtation. Go figure.

I am pretty sure the geezer in the picture holding that sign saying “No No No to government health care” is on Medicare…….what a moron.

I am pretty sure the geezer in the picture holding that sign saying “No No No to government health care” is on Medicare…….what a moron.

I am pretty sure the geezer in the picture holding that sign saying “No No No to government health care” is on Medicare…….what a moron.

Sounds like they need to secede from the union and “just get the hell out of the way”. Why didn’t they worry about the trashing of the constitution during the Bush Era?

Hmm? Richard (Dick) Bruce Cheney is from Wyoming. Ah, now we understand the mind set of those people.

Sounds like they need to secede from the union and “just get the hell out of the way”. Why didn’t they worry about the trashing of the constitution during the Bush Era?

Hmm? Richard (Dick) Bruce Cheney is from Wyoming. Ah, now we understand the mind set of those people.

Sounds like they need to secede from the union and “just get the hell out of the way”. Why didn’t they worry about the trashing of the constitution during the Bush Era?

Hmm? Richard (Dick) Bruce Cheney is from Wyoming. Ah, now we understand the mind set of those people.

Sounds like they need to secede from the union and “just get the hell out of the way”. Why didn’t they worry about the trashing of the constitution during the Bush Era?

Hmm? Richard (Dick) Bruce Cheney is from Wyoming. Ah, now we understand the mind set of those people.

‘Nuff said…

‘Nuff said…

Up until recently it was illegal in Boulder county to have a rain barrel for collecting rain water. Seems that the county thought they owned everything that comes out of the sky. A judge thought otherwise as soon as it came up in court.

Up until recently it was illegal in Boulder county to have a rain barrel for collecting rain water. Seems that the county thought they owned everything that comes out of the sky. A judge thought otherwise as soon as it came up in court.

I hope your stupid isn’t catching.

I hope your stupid isn’t catching.

That is truly amazing. I live in Sacramento. They have built so many houses
in the last 10 years that so much less water as the opportunity to seep
into the ground that the water table doesn’t recover like it once did. It
is still good here, we have a decent amount of water, but like everything
else, it just isn’t the same.

That is truly amazing. I live in Sacramento. They have built so many houses
in the last 10 years that so much less water as the opportunity to seep
into the ground that the water table doesn’t recover like it once did. It
is still good here, we have a decent amount of water, but like everything
else, it just isn’t the same.

You can’t buy health insurance but you can damn sure buy a gun.

You can’t buy health insurance but you can damn sure buy a gun.

You can’t buy health insurance but you can damn sure buy a gun.

You can’t buy health insurance but you can damn sure buy a gun.

Note as much as yours!

Note as much as yours!

I’m all for “banning” the healthcare bill if we can get Single-Payer. It’s the only real answer to our problems. Right now we spend something like 14% of GDP on healthcare while countries with single-payer pay around 7%. I guess the extra 7% goes to the health insurance company execs as bonuses.

As one American, I have better uses for my money. And $800 a month premium for a couple is outrageous, especially when that’s for a high deductible policy with lots of co-pays.

I’m all for “banning” the healthcare bill if we can get Single-Payer. It’s the only real answer to our problems. Right now we spend something like 14% of GDP on healthcare while countries with single-payer pay around 7%. I guess the extra 7% goes to the health insurance company execs as bonuses.

As one American, I have better uses for my money. And $800 a month premium for a couple is outrageous, especially when that’s for a high deductible policy with lots of co-pays.

I’m all for “banning” the healthcare bill if we can get Single-Payer. It’s the only real answer to our problems. Right now we spend something like 14% of GDP on healthcare while countries with single-payer pay around 7%. I guess the extra 7% goes to the health insurance company execs as bonuses.

As one American, I have better uses for my money. And $800 a month premium for a couple is outrageous, especially when that’s for a high deductible policy with lots of co-pays.

At 52, your just a kid to me sonny, so listen up and listen up well! I never said anything against the VA.I’ve dealt with them several times and have no complaints.You on the other hand have not dealt with medicare,I have. From doctors who won’t take it, to just plain trying to deal with their asinine system and not to mention the fraud that goes on.Yet your are willing to let the the government handle it.Take a look at other countries health care. Some places it works some it doesn’t.I’m familiar with the UK’s healthcare.Watching my father-in-law die as the health care system tried to figure out what was wrong with him.Autopsy showed that he died of a preventable infection.Free socialized health care Ya it works,maybe. And yes, I have to say also that a lot of seniors don’t even know where medicare comes from.Most of them just write a check out for their part B premium and think the insurance company also handles medicare.Yes I know but when your in your 70′s,80′s you forget.
One other thing,A lot of us do not like change.A lot of seniors worry that with the new health care laws, some how medicare will get changed for the worse.And yes I am for a total overhaul of our current system.It needs to be fair an equitable and deliver quality health with out compromise and not make the system mandatory.To me that reeks of socialism.Even the congress who passed the law failed to read it or throughly understand it.yet you support it unabashedly.
Do us all a favor though.I know you don’t like criticism and have a thin skin but please stop using so many caps.You do sound like a kid on Yahoo or C/L rant and rave. And at 52 you’ll be a senior in a few more years.Hey at 55 you can get the AARP discount!
so quit knocking us seniors.Your almost one your self!

At 52, your just a kid to me sonny, so listen up and listen up well! I never said anything against the VA.I’ve dealt with them several times and have no complaints.You on the other hand have not dealt with medicare,I have. From doctors who won’t take it, to just plain trying to deal with their asinine system and not to mention the fraud that goes on.Yet your are willing to let the the government handle it.Take a look at other countries health care. Some places it works some it doesn’t.I’m familiar with the UK’s healthcare.Watching my father-in-law die as the health care system tried to figure out what was wrong with him.Autopsy showed that he died of a preventable infection.Free socialized health care Ya it works,maybe. And yes, I have to say also that a lot of seniors don’t even know where medicare comes from.Most of them just write a check out for their part B premium and think the insurance company also handles medicare.Yes I know but when your in your 70′s,80′s you forget.
One other thing,A lot of us do not like change.A lot of seniors worry that with the new health care laws, some how medicare will get changed for the worse.And yes I am for a total overhaul of our current system.It needs to be fair an equitable and deliver quality health with out compromise and not make the system mandatory.To me that reeks of socialism.Even the congress who passed the law failed to read it or throughly understand it.yet you support it unabashedly.
Do us all a favor though.I know you don’t like criticism and have a thin skin but please stop using so many caps.You do sound like a kid on Yahoo or C/L rant and rave. And at 52 you’ll be a senior in a few more years.Hey at 55 you can get the AARP discount!
so quit knocking us seniors.Your almost one your self!

Is that all you know how to say!

Is that all you know how to say!

Wyoming actually has a pretty good public option for health-care, already. Kids and pregnant moms are taken care of pretty well, and Wyoming closed the donut hole a long time ago.

Why they would say ‘no’ to aid from DC, I dunno.

Wyoming actually has a pretty good public option for health-care, already. Kids and pregnant moms are taken care of pretty well, and Wyoming closed the donut hole a long time ago.

Why they would say ‘no’ to aid from DC, I dunno.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/lifestyle/news/pauline-wins-3m-surgery-fight/story-e6frf00r-1225712344307

Pauline Talty wins $3m bowel cancer surgery fight
By Xanthe Kleinig
From: The Daily Telegraph May 15, 2009

Pauline Talty … who needs lifesaving surgery for bowel cancer has won a year-long fight with the Federal Government to fund her operation in the US.

The Federal Government will pay Pauline Talty’s travel and medical costs for a $3 million transplant in Pittsburgh. The operation is not available in Australia.

Ms Talty, 36, received the good news in a phone call to her bedside at the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital, Camperdown on Wednesday afternoon.

“I was elated, I was jumping up and down, screaming and yelling as much as I can jump,” Ms Talty said yesterday.

It ended months of battling the bureaucracy for her and her mother Linda Sutcliffe, who will also travel to the US as a carer.
————————————————————————–
Is there any chance that this woman would still be alive if she lived in the US?
Admittedly the Australian Government took some persuading but the end result was a life saved.
In my previous post I stated it was a $2,000,000 operation but it was actually $3,000,000.
Perhaps the anti-medicare lobby could set a dollar value on how much a life is worth in the US.
I’m not saying our system down-under is perfect, but occassionally our politicians get it right.
The skill and expertise in the US is there and available……if you’re a multi-millionaire.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/lifestyle/news/pauline-wins-3m-surgery-fight/story-e6frf00r-1225712344307

Pauline Talty wins $3m bowel cancer surgery fight
By Xanthe Kleinig
From: The Daily Telegraph May 15, 2009

Pauline Talty … who needs lifesaving surgery for bowel cancer has won a year-long fight with the Federal Government to fund her operation in the US.

The Federal Government will pay Pauline Talty’s travel and medical costs for a $3 million transplant in Pittsburgh. The operation is not available in Australia.

Ms Talty, 36, received the good news in a phone call to her bedside at the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital, Camperdown on Wednesday afternoon.

“I was elated, I was jumping up and down, screaming and yelling as much as I can jump,” Ms Talty said yesterday.

It ended months of battling the bureaucracy for her and her mother Linda Sutcliffe, who will also travel to the US as a carer.
————————————————————————–
Is there any chance that this woman would still be alive if she lived in the US?
Admittedly the Australian Government took some persuading but the end result was a life saved.
In my previous post I stated it was a $2,000,000 operation but it was actually $3,000,000.
Perhaps the anti-medicare lobby could set a dollar value on how much a life is worth in the US.
I’m not saying our system down-under is perfect, but occassionally our politicians get it right.
The skill and expertise in the US is there and available……if you’re a multi-millionaire.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/lifestyle/news/pauline-wins-3m-surgery-fight/story-e6frf00r-1225712344307

Pauline Talty wins $3m bowel cancer surgery fight
By Xanthe Kleinig
From: The Daily Telegraph May 15, 2009

Pauline Talty … who needs lifesaving surgery for bowel cancer has won a year-long fight with the Federal Government to fund her operation in the US.

The Federal Government will pay Pauline Talty’s travel and medical costs for a $3 million transplant in Pittsburgh. The operation is not available in Australia.

Ms Talty, 36, received the good news in a phone call to her bedside at the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital, Camperdown on Wednesday afternoon.

“I was elated, I was jumping up and down, screaming and yelling as much as I can jump,” Ms Talty said yesterday.

It ended months of battling the bureaucracy for her and her mother Linda Sutcliffe, who will also travel to the US as a carer.
————————————————————————–
Is there any chance that this woman would still be alive if she lived in the US?
Admittedly the Australian Government took some persuading but the end result was a life saved.
In my previous post I stated it was a $2,000,000 operation but it was actually $3,000,000.
Perhaps the anti-medicare lobby could set a dollar value on how much a life is worth in the US.
I’m not saying our system down-under is perfect, but occassionally our politicians get it right.
The skill and expertise in the US is there and available……if you’re a multi-millionaire.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/lifestyle/news/pauline-wins-3m-surgery-fight/story-e6frf00r-1225712344307

Pauline Talty wins $3m bowel cancer surgery fight
By Xanthe Kleinig
From: The Daily Telegraph May 15, 2009

Pauline Talty … who needs lifesaving surgery for bowel cancer has won a year-long fight with the Federal Government to fund her operation in the US.

The Federal Government will pay Pauline Talty’s travel and medical costs for a $3 million transplant in Pittsburgh. The operation is not available in Australia.

Ms Talty, 36, received the good news in a phone call to her bedside at the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital, Camperdown on Wednesday afternoon.

“I was elated, I was jumping up and down, screaming and yelling as much as I can jump,” Ms Talty said yesterday.

It ended months of battling the bureaucracy for her and her mother Linda Sutcliffe, who will also travel to the US as a carer.
————————————————————————–
Is there any chance that this woman would still be alive if she lived in the US?
Admittedly the Australian Government took some persuading but the end result was a life saved.
In my previous post I stated it was a $2,000,000 operation but it was actually $3,000,000.
Perhaps the anti-medicare lobby could set a dollar value on how much a life is worth in the US.
I’m not saying our system down-under is perfect, but occassionally our politicians get it right.
The skill and expertise in the US is there and available……if you’re a multi-millionaire.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/lifestyle/news/pauline-wins-3m-surgery-fight/story-e6frf00r-1225712344307

Pauline Talty wins $3m bowel cancer surgery fight
By Xanthe Kleinig
From: The Daily Telegraph May 15, 2009

Pauline Talty … who needs lifesaving surgery for bowel cancer has won a year-long fight with the Federal Government to fund her operation in the US.

The Federal Government will pay Pauline Talty’s travel and medical costs for a $3 million transplant in Pittsburgh. The operation is not available in Australia.

Ms Talty, 36, received the good news in a phone call to her bedside at the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital, Camperdown on Wednesday afternoon.

“I was elated, I was jumping up and down, screaming and yelling as much as I can jump,” Ms Talty said yesterday.

It ended months of battling the bureaucracy for her and her mother Linda Sutcliffe, who will also travel to the US as a carer.
————————————————————————–
Is there any chance that this woman would still be alive if she lived in the US?
Admittedly the Australian Government took some persuading but the end result was a life saved.
In my previous post I stated it was a $2,000,000 operation but it was actually $3,000,000.
Perhaps the anti-medicare lobby could set a dollar value on how much a life is worth in the US.
I’m not saying our system down-under is perfect, but occassionally our politicians get it right.
The skill and expertise in the US is there and available……if you’re a multi-millionaire.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/lifestyle/news/pauline-wins-3m-surgery-fight/story-e6frf00r-1225712344307

Pauline Talty wins $3m bowel cancer surgery fight
By Xanthe Kleinig
From: The Daily Telegraph May 15, 2009

Pauline Talty … who needs lifesaving surgery for bowel cancer has won a year-long fight with the Federal Government to fund her operation in the US.

The Federal Government will pay Pauline Talty’s travel and medical costs for a $3 million transplant in Pittsburgh. The operation is not available in Australia.

Ms Talty, 36, received the good news in a phone call to her bedside at the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital, Camperdown on Wednesday afternoon.

“I was elated, I was jumping up and down, screaming and yelling as much as I can jump,” Ms Talty said yesterday.

It ended months of battling the bureaucracy for her and her mother Linda Sutcliffe, who will also travel to the US as a carer.
————————————————————————–
Is there any chance that this woman would still be alive if she lived in the US?
Admittedly the Australian Government took some persuading but the end result was a life saved.
In my previous post I stated it was a $2,000,000 operation but it was actually $3,000,000.
Perhaps the anti-medicare lobby could set a dollar value on how much a life is worth in the US.
I’m not saying our system down-under is perfect, but occassionally our politicians get it right.
The skill and expertise in the US is there and available……if you’re a multi-millionaire.

OOH, such a horrible put down, I’m so crushed. Listen up yourself, you old (pick your own insult here). You seem to be of the belief that there is no fraud in any other medical system but medicare. I have family in the medical field and can tell you stories of double and triple billing, overcharging on insurance, doctors getting jailed for fraud and kicked out of the profession and things that make any fraud in medicare seem like a gift. If you think, and you seem to, that business can be trusted with doing the job, then you are clearly the fool here. And being old and a fool doesn’t give you any special privileges, it just makes you and old fool.

Don’t like change? Then it’s time to die. Life IS change, or haven’t you figured that out in the thousand years you’ve been alive?

Oh, BTW, AARP starts sending you their card when you hit 50, now. I’ve been throwing it away for nearly three years, now. And you DO know who that is, right? They are nothing but a front group for United Health Care, the company that pays it’s leader in the area of $100 million a year while denying people health care, right? Their previous head, William McGuire, I believe his name was, left the company after making $1.6 BILLION in 7 years. How many people could be given life saving treatments if the profit margin to pay for that salary alone weren’t in place? And what do they do for that kind of money, that 30% off the top of every dollar spent on health care in this country? They deny sick people treatment and write checks for what they will cover. Why does that require a 30% write up? And why do we seem to think that this is how things are supposed to be? You’re old enough to remember when it didn’t cost you your life savings to get sick. Why don’t you see that as being an issue? Why support the system that is screwing us all?

I’m not knocking seniors in general, not by a long shot. Just the ones who aren’t smart enough to see that things HAVE changed since they were young, and that they aren’t hearing the truth from those they are listening to. Especially the Faux Noise crowd who you can’t educate regardless of the glaring obvious reality staring them right in the face.

I don’t have any illusions that any plan with or without the feds being involved will help the majority of us, I don’t believe that they or anyone will ever put together a plan that will be perfect enough to make everyone, myself included happy. To think that any man can put together a system that can be perfect is folly, regardless of one’s age or social standing. Man is imperfect, so everything he does will also be imperfect, at least by someone’s standards.

I have dealt with more than enough gov’t, I’m full of no illusions, there. I had to deal with workman’s comp with my lady friend Becky. All they did was try to deny, deny, wait out, deny some more, until it was clear that they couldn’t just keep doing that without a legal battle. And ultimately, the outcome was that she died as a result of the condition she was left in. So you might say that I have a stake in this game myself. I’m also well aware of my own age, trust me.

As to my writing style, I tend to write the way I talk, and find that some added emphasis makes things come across a bit clearer where things can be taken in more than one way. It also has historical precedent. Look at newspapers from the late 1800s and early 1900′s. Lots of writers wrote that way, though they tended to use it more for spectacular and emotionally charged reasons than I do. Sorry you don’t like it, but I don’t think I’ll be changing it any time soon (other than this one, which I did just for you – with only two exceptions).

OOH, such a horrible put down, I’m so crushed. Listen up yourself, you old (pick your own insult here). You seem to be of the belief that there is no fraud in any other medical system but medicare. I have family in the medical field and can tell you stories of double and triple billing, overcharging on insurance, doctors getting jailed for fraud and kicked out of the profession and things that make any fraud in medicare seem like a gift. If you think, and you seem to, that business can be trusted with doing the job, then you are clearly the fool here. And being old and a fool doesn’t give you any special privileges, it just makes you and old fool.

Don’t like change? Then it’s time to die. Life IS change, or haven’t you figured that out in the thousand years you’ve been alive?

Oh, BTW, AARP starts sending you their card when you hit 50, now. I’ve been throwing it away for nearly three years, now. And you DO know who that is, right? They are nothing but a front group for United Health Care, the company that pays it’s leader in the area of $100 million a year while denying people health care, right? Their previous head, William McGuire, I believe his name was, left the company after making $1.6 BILLION in 7 years. How many people could be given life saving treatments if the profit margin to pay for that salary alone weren’t in place? And what do they do for that kind of money, that 30% off the top of every dollar spent on health care in this country? They deny sick people treatment and write checks for what they will cover. Why does that require a 30% write up? And why do we seem to think that this is how things are supposed to be? You’re old enough to remember when it didn’t cost you your life savings to get sick. Why don’t you see that as being an issue? Why support the system that is screwing us all?

I’m not knocking seniors in general, not by a long shot. Just the ones who aren’t smart enough to see that things HAVE changed since they were young, and that they aren’t hearing the truth from those they are listening to. Especially the Faux Noise crowd who you can’t educate regardless of the glaring obvious reality staring them right in the face.

I don’t have any illusions that any plan with or without the feds being involved will help the majority of us, I don’t believe that they or anyone will ever put together a plan that will be perfect enough to make everyone, myself included happy. To think that any man can put together a system that can be perfect is folly, regardless of one’s age or social standing. Man is imperfect, so everything he does will also be imperfect, at least by someone’s standards.

I have dealt with more than enough gov’t, I’m full of no illusions, there. I had to deal with workman’s comp with my lady friend Becky. All they did was try to deny, deny, wait out, deny some more, until it was clear that they couldn’t just keep doing that without a legal battle. And ultimately, the outcome was that she died as a result of the condition she was left in. So you might say that I have a stake in this game myself. I’m also well aware of my own age, trust me.

As to my writing style, I tend to write the way I talk, and find that some added emphasis makes things come across a bit clearer where things can be taken in more than one way. It also has historical precedent. Look at newspapers from the late 1800s and early 1900′s. Lots of writers wrote that way, though they tended to use it more for spectacular and emotionally charged reasons than I do. Sorry you don’t like it, but I don’t think I’ll be changing it any time soon (other than this one, which I did just for you – with only two exceptions).

OOH, such a horrible put down, I’m so crushed. Listen up yourself, you old (pick your own insult here). You seem to be of the belief that there is no fraud in any other medical system but medicare. I have family in the medical field and can tell you stories of double and triple billing, overcharging on insurance, doctors getting jailed for fraud and kicked out of the profession and things that make any fraud in medicare seem like a gift. If you think, and you seem to, that business can be trusted with doing the job, then you are clearly the fool here. And being old and a fool doesn’t give you any special privileges, it just makes you and old fool.

Don’t like change? Then it’s time to die. Life IS change, or haven’t you figured that out in the thousand years you’ve been alive?

Oh, BTW, AARP starts sending you their card when you hit 50, now. I’ve been throwing it away for nearly three years, now. And you DO know who that is, right? They are nothing but a front group for United Health Care, the company that pays it’s leader in the area of $100 million a year while denying people health care, right? Their previous head, William McGuire, I believe his name was, left the company after making $1.6 BILLION in 7 years. How many people could be given life saving treatments if the profit margin to pay for that salary alone weren’t in place? And what do they do for that kind of money, that 30% off the top of every dollar spent on health care in this country? They deny sick people treatment and write checks for what they will cover. Why does that require a 30% write up? And why do we seem to think that this is how things are supposed to be? You’re old enough to remember when it didn’t cost you your life savings to get sick. Why don’t you see that as being an issue? Why support the system that is screwing us all?

I’m not knocking seniors in general, not by a long shot. Just the ones who aren’t smart enough to see that things HAVE changed since they were young, and that they aren’t hearing the truth from those they are listening to. Especially the Faux Noise crowd who you can’t educate regardless of the glaring obvious reality staring them right in the face.

I don’t have any illusions that any plan with or without the feds being involved will help the majority of us, I don’t believe that they or anyone will ever put together a plan that will be perfect enough to make everyone, myself included happy. To think that any man can put together a system that can be perfect is folly, regardless of one’s age or social standing. Man is imperfect, so everything he does will also be imperfect, at least by someone’s standards.

I have dealt with more than enough gov’t, I’m full of no illusions, there. I had to deal with workman’s comp with my lady friend Becky. All they did was try to deny, deny, wait out, deny some more, until it was clear that they couldn’t just keep doing that without a legal battle. And ultimately, the outcome was that she died as a result of the condition she was left in. So you might say that I have a stake in this game myself. I’m also well aware of my own age, trust me.

As to my writing style, I tend to write the way I talk, and find that some added emphasis makes things come across a bit clearer where things can be taken in more than one way. It also has historical precedent. Look at newspapers from the late 1800s and early 1900′s. Lots of writers wrote that way, though they tended to use it more for spectacular and emotionally charged reasons than I do. Sorry you don’t like it, but I don’t think I’ll be changing it any time soon (other than this one, which I did just for you – with only two exceptions).

OOH, such a horrible put down, I’m so crushed. Listen up yourself, you old (pick your own insult here). You seem to be of the belief that there is no fraud in any other medical system but medicare. I have family in the medical field and can tell you stories of double and triple billing, overcharging on insurance, doctors getting jailed for fraud and kicked out of the profession and things that make any fraud in medicare seem like a gift. If you think, and you seem to, that business can be trusted with doing the job, then you are clearly the fool here. And being old and a fool doesn’t give you any special privileges, it just makes you and old fool.

Don’t like change? Then it’s time to die. Life IS change, or haven’t you figured that out in the thousand years you’ve been alive?

Oh, BTW, AARP starts sending you their card when you hit 50, now. I’ve been throwing it away for nearly three years, now. And you DO know who that is, right? They are nothing but a front group for United Health Care, the company that pays it’s leader in the area of $100 million a year while denying people health care, right? Their previous head, William McGuire, I believe his name was, left the company after making $1.6 BILLION in 7 years. How many people could be given life saving treatments if the profit margin to pay for that salary alone weren’t in place? And what do they do for that kind of money, that 30% off the top of every dollar spent on health care in this country? They deny sick people treatment and write checks for what they will cover. Why does that require a 30% write up? And why do we seem to think that this is how things are supposed to be? You’re old enough to remember when it didn’t cost you your life savings to get sick. Why don’t you see that as being an issue? Why support the system that is screwing us all?

I’m not knocking seniors in general, not by a long shot. Just the ones who aren’t smart enough to see that things HAVE changed since they were young, and that they aren’t hearing the truth from those they are listening to. Especially the Faux Noise crowd who you can’t educate regardless of the glaring obvious reality staring them right in the face.

I don’t have any illusions that any plan with or without the feds being involved will help the majority of us, I don’t believe that they or anyone will ever put together a plan that will be perfect enough to make everyone, myself included happy. To think that any man can put together a system that can be perfect is folly, regardless of one’s age or social standing. Man is imperfect, so everything he does will also be imperfect, at least by someone’s standards.

I have dealt with more than enough gov’t, I’m full of no illusions, there. I had to deal with workman’s comp with my lady friend Becky. All they did was try to deny, deny, wait out, deny some more, until it was clear that they couldn’t just keep doing that without a legal battle. And ultimately, the outcome was that she died as a result of the condition she was left in. So you might say that I have a stake in this game myself. I’m also well aware of my own age, trust me.

As to my writing style, I tend to write the way I talk, and find that some added emphasis makes things come across a bit clearer where things can be taken in more than one way. It also has historical precedent. Look at newspapers from the late 1800s and early 1900′s. Lots of writers wrote that way, though they tended to use it more for spectacular and emotionally charged reasons than I do. Sorry you don’t like it, but I don’t think I’ll be changing it any time soon (other than this one, which I did just for you – with only two exceptions).

OOH, such a horrible put down, I’m so crushed. Listen up yourself, you old (pick your own insult here). You seem to be of the belief that there is no fraud in any other medical system but medicare. I have family in the medical field and can tell you stories of double and triple billing, overcharging on insurance, doctors getting jailed for fraud and kicked out of the profession and things that make any fraud in medicare seem like a gift. If you think, and you seem to, that business can be trusted with doing the job, then you are clearly the fool here. And being old and a fool doesn’t give you any special privileges, it just makes you and old fool.

Don’t like change? Then it’s time to die. Life IS change, or haven’t you figured that out in the thousand years you’ve been alive?

Oh, BTW, AARP starts sending you their card when you hit 50, now. I’ve been throwing it away for nearly three years, now. And you DO know who that is, right? They are nothing but a front group for United Health Care, the company that pays it’s leader in the area of $100 million a year while denying people health care, right? Their previous head, William McGuire, I believe his name was, left the company after making $1.6 BILLION in 7 years. How many people could be given life saving treatments if the profit margin to pay for that salary alone weren’t in place? And what do they do for that kind of money, that 30% off the top of every dollar spent on health care in this country? They deny sick people treatment and write checks for what they will cover. Why does that require a 30% write up? And why do we seem to think that this is how things are supposed to be? You’re old enough to remember when it didn’t cost you your life savings to get sick. Why don’t you see that as being an issue? Why support the system that is screwing us all?

I’m not knocking seniors in general, not by a long shot. Just the ones who aren’t smart enough to see that things HAVE changed since they were young, and that they aren’t hearing the truth from those they are listening to. Especially the Faux Noise crowd who you can’t educate regardless of the glaring obvious reality staring them right in the face.

I don’t have any illusions that any plan with or without the feds being involved will help the majority of us, I don’t believe that they or anyone will ever put together a plan that will be perfect enough to make everyone, myself included happy. To think that any man can put together a system that can be perfect is folly, regardless of one’s age or social standing. Man is imperfect, so everything he does will also be imperfect, at least by someone’s standards.

I have dealt with more than enough gov’t, I’m full of no illusions, there. I had to deal with workman’s comp with my lady friend Becky. All they did was try to deny, deny, wait out, deny some more, until it was clear that they couldn’t just keep doing that without a legal battle. And ultimately, the outcome was that she died as a result of the condition she was left in. So you might say that I have a stake in this game myself. I’m also well aware of my own age, trust me.

As to my writing style, I tend to write the way I talk, and find that some added emphasis makes things come across a bit clearer where things can be taken in more than one way. It also has historical precedent. Look at newspapers from the late 1800s and early 1900′s. Lots of writers wrote that way, though they tended to use it more for spectacular and emotionally charged reasons than I do. Sorry you don’t like it, but I don’t think I’ll be changing it any time soon (other than this one, which I did just for you – with only two exceptions).

OOH, such a horrible put down, I’m so crushed. Listen up yourself, you old (pick your own insult here). You seem to be of the belief that there is no fraud in any other medical system but medicare. I have family in the medical field and can tell you stories of double and triple billing, overcharging on insurance, doctors getting jailed for fraud and kicked out of the profession and things that make any fraud in medicare seem like a gift. If you think, and you seem to, that business can be trusted with doing the job, then you are clearly the fool here. And being old and a fool doesn’t give you any special privileges, it just makes you and old fool.

Don’t like change? Then it’s time to die. Life IS change, or haven’t you figured that out in the thousand years you’ve been alive?

Oh, BTW, AARP starts sending you their card when you hit 50, now. I’ve been throwing it away for nearly three years, now. And you DO know who that is, right? They are nothing but a front group for United Health Care, the company that pays it’s leader in the area of $100 million a year while denying people health care, right? Their previous head, William McGuire, I believe his name was, left the company after making $1.6 BILLION in 7 years. How many people could be given life saving treatments if the profit margin to pay for that salary alone weren’t in place? And what do they do for that kind of money, that 30% off the top of every dollar spent on health care in this country? They deny sick people treatment and write checks for what they will cover. Why does that require a 30% write up? And why do we seem to think that this is how things are supposed to be? You’re old enough to remember when it didn’t cost you your life savings to get sick. Why don’t you see that as being an issue? Why support the system that is screwing us all?

I’m not knocking seniors in general, not by a long shot. Just the ones who aren’t smart enough to see that things HAVE changed since they were young, and that they aren’t hearing the truth from those they are listening to. Especially the Faux Noise crowd who you can’t educate regardless of the glaring obvious reality staring them right in the face.

I don’t have any illusions that any plan with or without the feds being involved will help the majority of us, I don’t believe that they or anyone will ever put together a plan that will be perfect enough to make everyone, myself included happy. To think that any man can put together a system that can be perfect is folly, regardless of one’s age or social standing. Man is imperfect, so everything he does will also be imperfect, at least by someone’s standards.

I have dealt with more than enough gov’t, I’m full of no illusions, there. I had to deal with workman’s comp with my lady friend Becky. All they did was try to deny, deny, wait out, deny some more, until it was clear that they couldn’t just keep doing that without a legal battle. And ultimately, the outcome was that she died as a result of the condition she was left in. So you might say that I have a stake in this game myself. I’m also well aware of my own age, trust me.

As to my writing style, I tend to write the way I talk, and find that some added emphasis makes things come across a bit clearer where things can be taken in more than one way. It also has historical precedent. Look at newspapers from the late 1800s and early 1900′s. Lots of writers wrote that way, though they tended to use it more for spectacular and emotionally charged reasons than I do. Sorry you don’t like it, but I don’t think I’ll be changing it any time soon (other than this one, which I did just for you – with only two exceptions).

OOH, such a horrible put down, I’m so crushed. Listen up yourself, you old (pick your own insult here). You seem to be of the belief that there is no fraud in any other medical system but medicare. I have family in the medical field and can tell you stories of double and triple billing, overcharging on insurance, doctors getting jailed for fraud and kicked out of the profession and things that make any fraud in medicare seem like a gift. If you think, and you seem to, that business can be trusted with doing the job, then you are clearly the fool here. And being old and a fool doesn’t give you any special privileges, it just makes you and old fool.

Don’t like change? Then it’s time to die. Life IS change, or haven’t you figured that out in the thousand years you’ve been alive?

Oh, BTW, AARP starts sending you their card when you hit 50, now. I’ve been throwing it away for nearly three years, now. And you DO know who that is, right? They are nothing but a front group for United Health Care, the company that pays it’s leader in the area of $100 million a year while denying people health care, right? Their previous head, William McGuire, I believe his name was, left the company after making $1.6 BILLION in 7 years. How many people could be given life saving treatments if the profit margin to pay for that salary alone weren’t in place? And what do they do for that kind of money, that 30% off the top of every dollar spent on health care in this country? They deny sick people treatment and write checks for what they will cover. Why does that require a 30% write up? And why do we seem to think that this is how things are supposed to be? You’re old enough to remember when it didn’t cost you your life savings to get sick. Why don’t you see that as being an issue? Why support the system that is screwing us all?

I’m not knocking seniors in general, not by a long shot. Just the ones who aren’t smart enough to see that things HAVE changed since they were young, and that they aren’t hearing the truth from those they are listening to. Especially the Faux Noise crowd who you can’t educate regardless of the glaring obvious reality staring them right in the face.

I don’t have any illusions that any plan with or without the feds being involved will help the majority of us, I don’t believe that they or anyone will ever put together a plan that will be perfect enough to make everyone, myself included happy. To think that any man can put together a system that can be perfect is folly, regardless of one’s age or social standing. Man is imperfect, so everything he does will also be imperfect, at least by someone’s standards.

I have dealt with more than enough gov’t, I’m full of no illusions, there. I had to deal with workman’s comp with my lady friend Becky. All they did was try to deny, deny, wait out, deny some more, until it was clear that they couldn’t just keep doing that without a legal battle. And ultimately, the outcome was that she died as a result of the condition she was left in. So you might say that I have a stake in this game myself. I’m also well aware of my own age, trust me.

As to my writing style, I tend to write the way I talk, and find that some added emphasis makes things come across a bit clearer where things can be taken in more than one way. It also has historical precedent. Look at newspapers from the late 1800s and early 1900′s. Lots of writers wrote that way, though they tended to use it more for spectacular and emotionally charged reasons than I do. Sorry you don’t like it, but I don’t think I’ll be changing it any time soon (other than this one, which I did just for you – with only two exceptions).

OOH, such a horrible put down, I’m so crushed. Listen up yourself, you old (pick your own insult here). You seem to be of the belief that there is no fraud in any other medical system but medicare. I have family in the medical field and can tell you stories of double and triple billing, overcharging on insurance, doctors getting jailed for fraud and kicked out of the profession and things that make any fraud in medicare seem like a gift. If you think, and you seem to, that business can be trusted with doing the job, then you are clearly the fool here. And being old and a fool doesn’t give you any special privileges, it just makes you and old fool.

Don’t like change? Then it’s time to die. Life IS change, or haven’t you figured that out in the thousand years you’ve been alive?

Oh, BTW, AARP starts sending you their card when you hit 50, now. I’ve been throwing it away for nearly three years, now. And you DO know who that is, right? They are nothing but a front group for United Health Care, the company that pays it’s leader in the area of $100 million a year while denying people health care, right? Their previous head, William McGuire, I believe his name was, left the company after making $1.6 BILLION in 7 years. How many people could be given life saving treatments if the profit margin to pay for that salary alone weren’t in place? And what do they do for that kind of money, that 30% off the top of every dollar spent on health care in this country? They deny sick people treatment and write checks for what they will cover. Why does that require a 30% write up? And why do we seem to think that this is how things are supposed to be? You’re old enough to remember when it didn’t cost you your life savings to get sick. Why don’t you see that as being an issue? Why support the system that is screwing us all?

I’m not knocking seniors in general, not by a long shot. Just the ones who aren’t smart enough to see that things HAVE changed since they were young, and that they aren’t hearing the truth from those they are listening to. Especially the Faux Noise crowd who you can’t educate regardless of the glaring obvious reality staring them right in the face.

I don’t have any illusions that any plan with or without the feds being involved will help the majority of us, I don’t believe that they or anyone will ever put together a plan that will be perfect enough to make everyone, myself included happy. To think that any man can put together a system that can be perfect is folly, regardless of one’s age or social standing. Man is imperfect, so everything he does will also be imperfect, at least by someone’s standards.

I have dealt with more than enough gov’t, I’m full of no illusions, there. I had to deal with workman’s comp with my lady friend Becky. All they did was try to deny, deny, wait out, deny some more, until it was clear that they couldn’t just keep doing that without a legal battle. And ultimately, the outcome was that she died as a result of the condition she was left in. So you might say that I have a stake in this game myself. I’m also well aware of my own age, trust me.

As to my writing style, I tend to write the way I talk, and find that some added emphasis makes things come across a bit clearer where things can be taken in more than one way. It also has historical precedent. Look at newspapers from the late 1800s and early 1900′s. Lots of writers wrote that way, though they tended to use it more for spectacular and emotionally charged reasons than I do. Sorry you don’t like it, but I don’t think I’ll be changing it any time soon (other than this one, which I did just for you – with only two exceptions).

OOH, such a horrible put down, I’m so crushed. Listen up yourself, you old (pick your own insult here). You seem to be of the belief that there is no fraud in any other medical system but medicare. I have family in the medical field and can tell you stories of double and triple billing, overcharging on insurance, doctors getting jailed for fraud and kicked out of the profession and things that make any fraud in medicare seem like a gift. If you think, and you seem to, that business can be trusted with doing the job, then you are clearly the fool here. And being old and a fool doesn’t give you any special privileges, it just makes you and old fool.

Don’t like change? Then it’s time to die. Life IS change, or haven’t you figured that out in the thousand years you’ve been alive?

Oh, BTW, AARP starts sending you their card when you hit 50, now. I’ve been throwing it away for nearly three years, now. And you DO know who that is, right? They are nothing but a front group for United Health Care, the company that pays it’s leader in the area of $100 million a year while denying people health care, right? Their previous head, William McGuire, I believe his name was, left the company after making $1.6 BILLION in 7 years. How many people could be given life saving treatments if the profit margin to pay for that salary alone weren’t in place? And what do they do for that kind of money, that 30% off the top of every dollar spent on health care in this country? They deny sick people treatment and write checks for what they will cover. Why does that require a 30% write up? And why do we seem to think that this is how things are supposed to be? You’re old enough to remember when it didn’t cost you your life savings to get sick. Why don’t you see that as being an issue? Why support the system that is screwing us all?

I’m not knocking seniors in general, not by a long shot. Just the ones who aren’t smart enough to see that things HAVE changed since they were young, and that they aren’t hearing the truth from those they are listening to. Especially the Faux Noise crowd who you can’t educate regardless of the glaring obvious reality staring them right in the face.

I don’t have any illusions that any plan with or without the feds being involved will help the majority of us, I don’t believe that they or anyone will ever put together a plan that will be perfect enough to make everyone, myself included happy. To think that any man can put together a system that can be perfect is folly, regardless of one’s age or social standing. Man is imperfect, so everything he does will also be imperfect, at least by someone’s standards.

I have dealt with more than enough gov’t, I’m full of no illusions, there. I had to deal with workman’s comp with my lady friend Becky. All they did was try to deny, deny, wait out, deny some more, until it was clear that they couldn’t just keep doing that without a legal battle. And ultimately, the outcome was that she died as a result of the condition she was left in. So you might say that I have a stake in this game myself. I’m also well aware of my own age, trust me.

As to my writing style, I tend to write the way I talk, and find that some added emphasis makes things come across a bit clearer where things can be taken in more than one way. It also has historical precedent. Look at newspapers from the late 1800s and early 1900′s. Lots of writers wrote that way, though they tended to use it more for spectacular and emotionally charged reasons than I do. Sorry you don’t like it, but I don’t think I’ll be changing it any time soon (other than this one, which I did just for you – with only two exceptions).

OOH, such a horrible put down, I’m so crushed. Listen up yourself, you old (pick your own insult here). You seem to be of the belief that there is no fraud in any other medical system but medicare. I have family in the medical field and can tell you stories of double and triple billing, overcharging on insurance, doctors getting jailed for fraud and kicked out of the profession and things that make any fraud in medicare seem like a gift. If you think, and you seem to, that business can be trusted with doing the job, then you are clearly the fool here. And being old and a fool doesn’t give you any special privileges, it just makes you and old fool.

Don’t like change? Then it’s time to die. Life IS change, or haven’t you figured that out in the thousand years you’ve been alive?

Oh, BTW, AARP starts sending you their card when you hit 50, now. I’ve been throwing it away for nearly three years, now. And you DO know who that is, right? They are nothing but a front group for United Health Care, the company that pays it’s leader in the area of $100 million a year while denying people health care, right? Their previous head, William McGuire, I believe his name was, left the company after making $1.6 BILLION in 7 years. How many people could be given life saving treatments if the profit margin to pay for that salary alone weren’t in place? And what do they do for that kind of money, that 30% off the top of every dollar spent on health care in this country? They deny sick people treatment and write checks for what they will cover. Why does that require a 30% write up? And why do we seem to think that this is how things are supposed to be? You’re old enough to remember when it didn’t cost you your life savings to get sick. Why don’t you see that as being an issue? Why support the system that is screwing us all?

I’m not knocking seniors in general, not by a long shot. Just the ones who aren’t smart enough to see that things HAVE changed since they were young, and that they aren’t hearing the truth from those they are listening to. Especially the Faux Noise crowd who you can’t educate regardless of the glaring obvious reality staring them right in the face.

I don’t have any illusions that any plan with or without the feds being involved will help the majority of us, I don’t believe that they or anyone will ever put together a plan that will be perfect enough to make everyone, myself included happy. To think that any man can put together a system that can be perfect is folly, regardless of one’s age or social standing. Man is imperfect, so everything he does will also be imperfect, at least by someone’s standards.

I have dealt with more than enough gov’t, I’m full of no illusions, there. I had to deal with workman’s comp with my lady friend Becky. All they did was try to deny, deny, wait out, deny some more, until it was clear that they couldn’t just keep doing that without a legal battle. And ultimately, the outcome was that she died as a result of the condition she was left in. So you might say that I have a stake in this game myself. I’m also well aware of my own age, trust me.

As to my writing style, I tend to write the way I talk, and find that some added emphasis makes things come across a bit clearer where things can be taken in more than one way. It also has historical precedent. Look at newspapers from the late 1800s and early 1900′s. Lots of writers wrote that way, though they tended to use it more for spectacular and emotionally charged reasons than I do. Sorry you don’t like it, but I don’t think I’ll be changing it any time soon (other than this one, which I did just for you – with only two exceptions).

Oh, just wait, things will be getting much worse, and most likely pretty soon. The west has always been about who controls the water, and the rest of the world is gong to start having issues, and in fact already is. And without water, you got nothing. As weather patterns get weirder and weirder, look for things to get nastier, and nastier. The money will flow and the people will get screwed. Damn, I’m just in a cheery mood, tonight. I just have to remember… Tom Delay got 3 years and 10 of probation… Tom Delay got 3 years and 10 of probation… Tom Delay got 3 years and 10 of probation… Okay, I feel better now.

Insurance companies take 30% off the top of every health care dollar spent in this country. From what the CBO says, a single payer system could be run for a 3 to 5% overhead. We would save 30% right off the top if we just eliminated the profit margin for writing a check. That is really all they do for that money. Kind of like bankers, who really do NOTHING of any real value and take huge amounts of money for it.

Canada is the next most expensive country, and though I can’t guarantee this, I suspect that large amounts of that are from dealing with OUR system too much. I do know, though, that they are in the top ten of results, while we are in the upper 30′s. Jamaica has a lower infant mortality rate than we do. But our insurance people sure have GREAT Christmas parties.

Thanks for bringing down a bit.This old (but not a fool) thanks you! At age 75 I still work as a Senior Advocate for the local council on aging. I deal with SSA ,Medicare and other various government agencies on a regular basis,and what I see is not pretty,as you have found out for your self.We do need universal healthcare in this country, how it arrives will be up for grabs as the insurance companies and the government are just now siting down to talk about coverage.I maintain health insurance for myself privately and my company has already informed me that it will be going up soon do to the new regulations.Oh well.Sorry about your lady friend. Too many of my old friends have been passing lately and it is a sad thing to witness.I understand how you feel.
One last thing.Old age is just a state of mind.Some of us are old before our time and some never have time to grow old.
Nice talking to you.

Thanks for bringing down a bit.This old (but not a fool) thanks you! At age 75 I still work as a Senior Advocate for the local council on aging. I deal with SSA ,Medicare and other various government agencies on a regular basis,and what I see is not pretty,as you have found out for your self.We do need universal healthcare in this country, how it arrives will be up for grabs as the insurance companies and the government are just now siting down to talk about coverage.I maintain health insurance for myself privately and my company has already informed me that it will be going up soon do to the new regulations.Oh well.Sorry about your lady friend. Too many of my old friends have been passing lately and it is a sad thing to witness.I understand how you feel.
One last thing.Old age is just a state of mind.Some of us are old before our time and some never have time to grow old.
Nice talking to you.

Thanks for bringing down a bit.This old (but not a fool) thanks you! At age 75 I still work as a Senior Advocate for the local council on aging. I deal with SSA ,Medicare and other various government agencies on a regular basis,and what I see is not pretty,as you have found out for your self.We do need universal healthcare in this country, how it arrives will be up for grabs as the insurance companies and the government are just now siting down to talk about coverage.I maintain health insurance for myself privately and my company has already informed me that it will be going up soon do to the new regulations.Oh well.Sorry about your lady friend. Too many of my old friends have been passing lately and it is a sad thing to witness.I understand how you feel.
One last thing.Old age is just a state of mind.Some of us are old before our time and some never have time to grow old.
Nice talking to you.

Thanks for bringing down a bit.This old (but not a fool) thanks you! At age 75 I still work as a Senior Advocate for the local council on aging. I deal with SSA ,Medicare and other various government agencies on a regular basis,and what I see is not pretty,as you have found out for your self.We do need universal healthcare in this country, how it arrives will be up for grabs as the insurance companies and the government are just now siting down to talk about coverage.I maintain health insurance for myself privately and my company has already informed me that it will be going up soon do to the new regulations.Oh well.Sorry about your lady friend. Too many of my old friends have been passing lately and it is a sad thing to witness.I understand how you feel.
One last thing.Old age is just a state of mind.Some of us are old before our time and some never have time to grow old.
Nice talking to you.

Orion, I will set you straight….. I was born in your country and spent over 20 years in your military… I left because I could no longer take the idiocy and hypocrisy along with all the religious bullshit that the average american seems to love to shout. I got tired of the “We’re Number One” and the USA USA USA chants by all the fair weather patriots that seem to be so prevalent in your world today… I don’t care one fig about the UK, and the EU these days is light years ahead of you in the education department and the social services. The people don’t make as much but they live a hell of a lot better and are a lot more humane and caring than the average ‘murican these days. For the most part, I keep hearing about all the freedoms you have and then I look at what has happened to you and wonder if you are idiots or just do not give a fuck that your freedoms and liberties have for the most part been flushed down the toilet. Those very liberties and freedoms I spent over 25 years trying to protect. I HAVE a RIGHT to worry about “the country”. I spent 5 years in the fucking Nam… Where in the fuck were you???? Have you ever served or would you serve or are you like Lint Balls just another bag of shit??? As far as my nest goes, when they fuck with us we have a tendancy to rip; up the flag stones and break many windows and a few heads… Our government is afraid of us…. Yours is contemptible over the lack of interest that the average murican shows today…. Hope you are enjoying your safety, because, You Sure As Fuck Are NOT Free!!!!! Oh, and please keep paying your taxes, I need the money!!!!

Orion, I will set you straight….. I was born in your country and spent over 20 years in your military… I left because I could no longer take the idiocy and hypocrisy along with all the religious bullshit that the average american seems to love to shout. I got tired of the “We’re Number One” and the USA USA USA chants by all the fair weather patriots that seem to be so prevalent in your world today… I don’t care one fig about the UK, and the EU these days is light years ahead of you in the education department and the social services. The people don’t make as much but they live a hell of a lot better and are a lot more humane and caring than the average ‘murican these days. For the most part, I keep hearing about all the freedoms you have and then I look at what has happened to you and wonder if you are idiots or just do not give a fuck that your freedoms and liberties have for the most part been flushed down the toilet. Those very liberties and freedoms I spent over 25 years trying to protect. I HAVE a RIGHT to worry about “the country”. I spent 5 years in the fucking Nam… Where in the fuck were you???? Have you ever served or would you serve or are you like Lint Balls just another bag of shit??? As far as my nest goes, when they fuck with us we have a tendancy to rip; up the flag stones and break many windows and a few heads… Our government is afraid of us…. Yours is contemptible over the lack of interest that the average murican shows today…. Hope you are enjoying your safety, because, You Sure As Fuck Are NOT Free!!!!! Oh, and please keep paying your taxes, I need the money!!!!

Orion, I will set you straight….. I was born in your country and spent over 20 years in your military… I left because I could no longer take the idiocy and hypocrisy along with all the religious bullshit that the average american seems to love to shout. I got tired of the “We’re Number One” and the USA USA USA chants by all the fair weather patriots that seem to be so prevalent in your world today… I don’t care one fig about the UK, and the EU these days is light years ahead of you in the education department and the social services. The people don’t make as much but they live a hell of a lot better and are a lot more humane and caring than the average ‘murican these days. For the most part, I keep hearing about all the freedoms you have and then I look at what has happened to you and wonder if you are idiots or just do not give a fuck that your freedoms and liberties have for the most part been flushed down the toilet. Those very liberties and freedoms I spent over 25 years trying to protect. I HAVE a RIGHT to worry about “the country”. I spent 5 years in the fucking Nam… Where in the fuck were you???? Have you ever served or would you serve or are you like Lint Balls just another bag of shit??? As far as my nest goes, when they fuck with us we have a tendancy to rip; up the flag stones and break many windows and a few heads… Our government is afraid of us…. Yours is contemptible over the lack of interest that the average murican shows today…. Hope you are enjoying your safety, because, You Sure As Fuck Are NOT Free!!!!! Oh, and please keep paying your taxes, I need the money!!!!

Orion, I will set you straight….. I was born in your country and spent over 20 years in your military… I left because I could no longer take the idiocy and hypocrisy along with all the religious bullshit that the average american seems to love to shout. I got tired of the “We’re Number One” and the USA USA USA chants by all the fair weather patriots that seem to be so prevalent in your world today… I don’t care one fig about the UK, and the EU these days is light years ahead of you in the education department and the social services. The people don’t make as much but they live a hell of a lot better and are a lot more humane and caring than the average ‘murican these days. For the most part, I keep hearing about all the freedoms you have and then I look at what has happened to you and wonder if you are idiots or just do not give a fuck that your freedoms and liberties have for the most part been flushed down the toilet. Those very liberties and freedoms I spent over 25 years trying to protect. I HAVE a RIGHT to worry about “the country”. I spent 5 years in the fucking Nam… Where in the fuck were you???? Have you ever served or would you serve or are you like Lint Balls just another bag of shit??? As far as my nest goes, when they fuck with us we have a tendancy to rip; up the flag stones and break many windows and a few heads… Our government is afraid of us…. Yours is contemptible over the lack of interest that the average murican shows today…. Hope you are enjoying your safety, because, You Sure As Fuck Are NOT Free!!!!! Oh, and please keep paying your taxes, I need the money!!!!

I have to say that the level of plutocratic manipulation of the peasants is at an all time high.

I agree that factions within the country have employed this “technique” to control states and or regions but I do not remember reading about a period in US history when it was applied to the entire country for the purpose of controlling the entire populace!

I have to say that the level of plutocratic manipulation of the peasants is at an all time high.

I agree that factions within the country have employed this “technique” to control states and or regions but I do not remember reading about a period in US history when it was applied to the entire country for the purpose of controlling the entire populace!

I have to say that the level of plutocratic manipulation of the peasants is at an all time high.

I agree that factions within the country have employed this “technique” to control states and or regions but I do not remember reading about a period in US history when it was applied to the entire country for the purpose of controlling the entire populace!

I have to say that the level of plutocratic manipulation of the peasants is at an all time high.

I agree that factions within the country have employed this “technique” to control states and or regions but I do not remember reading about a period in US history when it was applied to the entire country for the purpose of controlling the entire populace!

Ask those same doc’s who have problems with Medicare what they think of private insurance companies and you will hear about even worse treatment and mafia like behavior.

Yes we need a single payer system…… oops that would be Medicare for all.

Ask those same doc’s who have problems with Medicare what they think of private insurance companies and you will hear about even worse treatment and mafia like behavior.

Yes we need a single payer system…… oops that would be Medicare for all.

Ask those same doc’s who have problems with Medicare what they think of private insurance companies and you will hear about even worse treatment and mafia like behavior.

Yes we need a single payer system…… oops that would be Medicare for all.

Ask those same doc’s who have problems with Medicare what they think of private insurance companies and you will hear about even worse treatment and mafia like behavior.

Yes we need a single payer system…… oops that would be Medicare for all.

I know there’s plenty of ignorance out in Cowboyville . . . but have these idiots really not heard tell of a little thing called the Civil War? 500,000 Americans died, and the outcome was to settle for ever the question of the supremacy of the federal government over that of the state.

I know there’s plenty of ignorance out in Cowboyville . . . but have these idiots really not heard tell of a little thing called the Civil War? 500,000 Americans died, and the outcome was to settle for ever the question of the supremacy of the federal government over that of the state.

Totally stupid comment. Medicare is incredibly efficient with about a 4% administrative costs, compared to 14 to 22 percent for private employer-sponsored health insurance (depending on which study is cited), or even more for individually purchased insurance.

Totally stupid comment. Medicare is incredibly efficient with about a 4% administrative costs, compared to 14 to 22 percent for private employer-sponsored health insurance (depending on which study is cited), or even more for individually purchased insurance.

Amen, WJM51:

Don’t drop the soap, Tom. Don’t drop the soap, Tom. Don’t drop the soap Tom. Now I feel better, too

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Do you KNOW the difference between “your” and “you’re” you fucking moron?

Do you KNOW the difference between “your” and “you’re” you fucking moron?

Do you KNOW the difference between “your” and “you’re” you fucking moron?

Do you KNOW the difference between “your” and “you’re” you fucking moron?

Do you KNOW the difference between “your” and “you’re” you fucking moron?

Do you KNOW the difference between “your” and “you’re” you fucking moron?

Do you KNOW the difference between “your” and “you’re” you fucking moron?

Do you KNOW the difference between “your” and “you’re” you fucking moron?

Do you KNOW the difference between “your” and “you’re” you fucking moron?

Do you KNOW the difference between “your” and “you’re” you fucking moron?

Do you KNOW the difference between “your” and “you’re” you fucking moron?

Do you KNOW the difference between “your” and “you’re” you fucking moron?

Do you KNOW the difference between “your” and “you’re” you fucking moron?

Do you KNOW the difference between “your” and “you’re” you fucking moron?

Do you KNOW the difference between “your” and “you’re” you fucking moron?

Again – do you know the difference between “your” and “you’re” you fucking moron?

Again – do you know the difference between “your” and “you’re” you fucking moron?

Again – do you know the difference between “your” and “you’re” you fucking moron?

Again – do you know the difference between “your” and “you’re” you fucking moron?

Again – do you know the difference between “your” and “you’re” you fucking moron?

Again – do you know the difference between “your” and “you’re” you fucking moron?

Again – do you know the difference between “your” and “you’re” you fucking moron?

Again – do you know the difference between “your” and “you’re” you fucking moron?

Again – do you know the difference between “your” and “you’re” you fucking moron?

Again – do you know the difference between “your” and “you’re” you fucking moron?

Again – do you know the difference between “your” and “you’re” you fucking moron?

Again – do you know the difference between “your” and “you’re” you fucking moron?

Again – do you know the difference between “your” and “you’re” you fucking moron?

Again – do you know the difference between “your” and “you’re” you fucking moron?

Again – do you know the difference between “your” and “you’re” you fucking moron?

Again – do you know the difference between “your” and “you’re” you fucking moron?

Again – do you know the difference between “your” and “you’re” you fucking moron?

In your case, old age IS a state of mind . . . . and the state is totally fucked up. Go change your depends, gramps.

In your case, old age IS a state of mind . . . . and the state is totally fucked up. Go change your depends, gramps.

In your case, old age IS a state of mind . . . . and the state is totally fucked up. Go change your depends, gramps.

In your case, old age IS a state of mind . . . . and the state is totally fucked up. Go change your depends, gramps.

In your case, old age IS a state of mind . . . . and the state is totally fucked up. Go change your depends, gramps.

In your case, old age IS a state of mind . . . . and the state is totally fucked up. Go change your depends, gramps.

In your case, old age IS a state of mind . . . . and the state is totally fucked up. Go change your depends, gramps.

In your case, old age IS a state of mind . . . . and the state is totally fucked up. Go change your depends, gramps.

In your case, old age IS a state of mind . . . . and the state is totally fucked up. Go change your depends, gramps.

In your case, old age IS a state of mind . . . . and the state is totally fucked up. Go change your depends, gramps.

In your case, old age IS a state of mind . . . . and the state is totally fucked up. Go change your depends, gramps.

In your case, old age IS a state of mind . . . . and the state is totally fucked up. Go change your depends, gramps.

In your case, old age IS a state of mind . . . . and the state is totally fucked up. Go change your depends, gramps.

In your case, old age IS a state of mind . . . . and the state is totally fucked up. Go change your depends, gramps.

In your case, old age IS a state of mind . . . . and the state is totally fucked up. Go change your depends, gramps.

In your case, old age IS a state of mind . . . . and the state is totally fucked up. Go change your depends, gramps.

In your case, old age IS a state of mind . . . . and the state is totally fucked up. Go change your depends, gramps.

Okay, in support of edwards_com: you are a FUCKING idiot. Is that better?

He should have gotten 30 years. He will be out in half of 3 years. Now if
the Bush Crime family could only get what they deserve.

He should have gotten 30 years. He will be out in half of 3 years. Now if
the Bush Crime family could only get what they deserve.

He should have gotten 30 years. He will be out in half of 3 years. Now if
the Bush Crime family could only get what they deserve.

He should have gotten 30 years. He will be out in half of 3 years. Now if
the Bush Crime family could only get what they deserve.

He should have gotten 30 years. He will be out in half of 3 years. Now if
the Bush Crime family could only get what they deserve.

He should have gotten 30 years. He will be out in half of 3 years. Now if
the Bush Crime family could only get what they deserve.

IF THE SHOE FITS

IF THE SHOE FITS

IF THE SHOE FITS

IF THE SHOE FITS

IF THE SHOE FITS

IF THE SHOE FITS

IF THE SHOE FITS

Yes, but then I don’t have to swear about it!

Whoop- dee-do! Retired,US Navy,1965-1985.Two cruises to Nam in support of search and rescue ops.Fished a few out of the drink.That enough cred for you.If you don’t care so much about us,why the hell did you spend 20 years as a grunt and get out.Don’t give me that religious or political crap either,just don’t believe it !And your are proud you live in a country where you bust heads and and throw flagstones.Let me know when, so I can watch the riot police smack a rifle butt up the side of you head.Really glad your out of here and happy where you are.We have enough nutcases running around here as it is.Thanks for staying away!

Whoop- dee-do! Retired,US Navy,1965-1985.Two cruises to Nam in support of search and rescue ops.Fished a few out of the drink.That enough cred for you.If you don’t care so much about us,why the hell did you spend 20 years as a grunt and get out.Don’t give me that religious or political crap either,just don’t believe it !And your are proud you live in a country where you bust heads and and throw flagstones.Let me know when, so I can watch the riot police smack a rifle butt up the side of you head.Really glad your out of here and happy where you are.We have enough nutcases running around here as it is.Thanks for staying away!

Whoop- dee-do! Retired,US Navy,1965-1985.Two cruises to Nam in support of search and rescue ops.Fished a few out of the drink.That enough cred for you.If you don’t care so much about us,why the hell did you spend 20 years as a grunt and get out.Don’t give me that religious or political crap either,just don’t believe it !And your are proud you live in a country where you bust heads and and throw flagstones.Let me know when, so I can watch the riot police smack a rifle butt up the side of you head.Really glad your out of here and happy where you are.We have enough nutcases running around here as it is.Thanks for staying away!

Whoop- dee-do! Retired,US Navy,1965-1985.Two cruises to Nam in support of search and rescue ops.Fished a few out of the drink.That enough cred for you.If you don’t care so much about us,why the hell did you spend 20 years as a grunt and get out.Don’t give me that religious or political crap either,just don’t believe it !And your are proud you live in a country where you bust heads and and throw flagstones.Let me know when, so I can watch the riot police smack a rifle butt up the side of you head.Really glad your out of here and happy where you are.We have enough nutcases running around here as it is.Thanks for staying away!

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Private for profit Medical Insurance isn’t a medical resource, it’s racket set up by Congress.

As for everyone pulling their own weight, I find that funny coming somebody who supports Obamacare. If I alone support my own weight then I guess we should get rid of National Defense, public infrastructure, courts, and all government services.

Under the constitution direct taxation in the form of a poll taxes is illegal. Obamacare is a poll tax. Read the Post by attempter that linked to. I cited it because I agreed with arguement.

I’m amazed that you so called liberals are supporting the most reactionary tax since Maggie Thatcher’s community “charge” back in 1991.

Private for profit Medical Insurance isn’t a medical resource, it’s racket set up by Congress.

As for everyone pulling their own weight, I find that funny coming somebody who supports Obamacare. If I alone support my own weight then I guess we should get rid of National Defense, public infrastructure, courts, and all government services.

Under the constitution direct taxation in the form of a poll taxes is illegal. Obamacare is a poll tax. Read the Post by attempter that linked to. I cited it because I agreed with arguement.

I’m amazed that you so called liberals are supporting the most reactionary tax since Maggie Thatcher’s community “charge” back in 1991.

Private for profit Medical Insurance isn’t a medical resource, it’s racket set up by Congress.

As for everyone pulling their own weight, I find that funny coming somebody who supports Obamacare. If I alone support my own weight then I guess we should get rid of National Defense, public infrastructure, courts, and all government services.

Under the constitution direct taxation in the form of a poll taxes is illegal. Obamacare is a poll tax. Read the Post by attempter that linked to. I cited it because I agreed with arguement.

I’m amazed that you so called liberals are supporting the most reactionary tax since Maggie Thatcher’s community “charge” back in 1991.

Private for profit Medical Insurance isn’t a medical resource, it’s racket set up by Congress.

As for everyone pulling their own weight, I find that funny coming somebody who supports Obamacare. If I alone support my own weight then I guess we should get rid of National Defense, public infrastructure, courts, and all government services.

Under the constitution direct taxation in the form of a poll taxes is illegal. Obamacare is a poll tax. Read the Post by attempter that linked to. I cited it because I agreed with arguement.

I’m amazed that you so called liberals are supporting the most reactionary tax since Maggie Thatcher’s community “charge” back in 1991.

Private for profit Medical Insurance isn’t a medical resource, it’s racket set up by Congress.

As for everyone pulling their own weight, I find that funny coming somebody who supports Obamacare. If I alone support my own weight then I guess we should get rid of National Defense, public infrastructure, courts, and all government services.

Under the constitution direct taxation in the form of a poll taxes is illegal. Obamacare is a poll tax. Read the Post by attempter that linked to. I cited it because I agreed with arguement.

I’m amazed that you so called liberals are supporting the most reactionary tax since Maggie Thatcher’s community “charge” back in 1991.

Private for profit Medical Insurance isn’t a medical resource, it’s racket set up by Congress.

As for everyone pulling their own weight, I find that funny coming somebody who supports Obamacare. If I alone support my own weight then I guess we should get rid of National Defense, public infrastructure, courts, and all government services.

Under the constitution direct taxation in the form of a poll taxes is illegal. Obamacare is a poll tax. Read the Post by attempter that linked to. I cited it because I agreed with arguement.

I’m amazed that you so called liberals are supporting the most reactionary tax since Maggie Thatcher’s community “charge” back in 1991.

Private for profit Medical Insurance isn’t a medical resource, it’s racket set up by Congress.

As for everyone pulling their own weight, I find that funny coming somebody who supports Obamacare. If I alone support my own weight then I guess we should get rid of National Defense, public infrastructure, courts, and all government services.

Under the constitution direct taxation in the form of a poll taxes is illegal. Obamacare is a poll tax. Read the Post by attempter that linked to. I cited it because I agreed with arguement.

I’m amazed that you so called liberals are supporting the most reactionary tax since Maggie Thatcher’s community “charge” back in 1991.

Private for profit Medical Insurance isn’t a medical resource, it’s racket set up by Congress.

As for everyone pulling their own weight, I find that funny coming somebody who supports Obamacare. If I alone support my own weight then I guess we should get rid of National Defense, public infrastructure, courts, and all government services.

Under the constitution direct taxation in the form of a poll taxes is illegal. Obamacare is a poll tax. Read the Post by attempter that linked to. I cited it because I agreed with arguement.

I’m amazed that you so called liberals are supporting the most reactionary tax since Maggie Thatcher’s community “charge” back in 1991.

Private for profit Medical Insurance isn’t a medical resource, it’s racket set up by Congress.

As for everyone pulling their own weight, I find that funny coming somebody who supports Obamacare. If I alone support my own weight then I guess we should get rid of National Defense, public infrastructure, courts, and all government services.

Under the constitution direct taxation in the form of a poll taxes is illegal. Obamacare is a poll tax. Read the Post by attempter that linked to. I cited it because I agreed with arguement.

I’m amazed that you so called liberals are supporting the most reactionary tax since Maggie Thatcher’s community “charge” back in 1991.

Private for profit Medical Insurance isn’t a medical resource, it’s racket set up by Congress.

As for everyone pulling their own weight, I find that funny coming somebody who supports Obamacare. If I alone support my own weight then I guess we should get rid of National Defense, public infrastructure, courts, and all government services.

Under the constitution direct taxation in the form of a poll taxes is illegal. Obamacare is a poll tax. Read the Post by attempter that linked to. I cited it because I agreed with arguement.

I’m amazed that you so called liberals are supporting the most reactionary tax since Maggie Thatcher’s community “charge” back in 1991.

Private for profit Medical Insurance isn’t a medical resource, it’s racket set up by Congress.

As for everyone pulling their own weight, I find that funny coming somebody who supports Obamacare. If I alone support my own weight then I guess we should get rid of National Defense, public infrastructure, courts, and all government services.

Under the constitution direct taxation in the form of a poll taxes is illegal. Obamacare is a poll tax. Read the Post by attempter that linked to. I cited it because I agreed with arguement.

I’m amazed that you so called liberals are supporting the most reactionary tax since Maggie Thatcher’s community “charge” back in 1991.

Private for profit Medical Insurance isn’t a medical resource, it’s racket set up by Congress.

As for everyone pulling their own weight, I find that funny coming somebody who supports Obamacare. If I alone support my own weight then I guess we should get rid of National Defense, public infrastructure, courts, and all government services.

Under the constitution direct taxation in the form of a poll taxes is illegal. Obamacare is a poll tax. Read the Post by attempter that linked to. I cited it because I agreed with arguement.

I’m amazed that you so called liberals are supporting the most reactionary tax since Maggie Thatcher’s community “charge” back in 1991.

Private for profit Medical Insurance isn’t a medical resource, it’s racket set up by Congress.

As for everyone pulling their own weight, I find that funny coming somebody who supports Obamacare. If I alone support my own weight then I guess we should get rid of National Defense, public infrastructure, courts, and all government services.

Under the constitution direct taxation in the form of a poll taxes is illegal. Obamacare is a poll tax. Read the Post by attempter that linked to. I cited it because I agreed with arguement.

I’m amazed that you so called liberals are supporting the most reactionary tax since Maggie Thatcher’s community “charge” back in 1991.

Private for profit Medical Insurance isn’t a medical resource, it’s racket set up by Congress.

As for everyone pulling their own weight, I find that funny coming somebody who supports Obamacare. If I alone support my own weight then I guess we should get rid of National Defense, public infrastructure, courts, and all government services.

Under the constitution direct taxation in the form of a poll taxes is illegal. Obamacare is a poll tax. Read the Post by attempter that linked to. I cited it because I agreed with arguement.

I’m amazed that you so called liberals are supporting the most reactionary tax since Maggie Thatcher’s community “charge” back in 1991.

Private for profit Medical Insurance isn’t a medical resource, it’s racket set up by Congress.

As for everyone pulling their own weight, I find that funny coming somebody who supports Obamacare. If I alone support my own weight then I guess we should get rid of National Defense, public infrastructure, courts, and all government services.

Under the constitution direct taxation in the form of a poll taxes is illegal. Obamacare is a poll tax. Read the Post by attempter that linked to. I cited it because I agreed with arguement.

I’m amazed that you so called liberals are supporting the most reactionary tax since Maggie Thatcher’s community “charge” back in 1991.

Private for profit Medical Insurance isn’t a medical resource, it’s racket set up by Congress.

As for everyone pulling their own weight, I find that funny coming somebody who supports Obamacare. If I alone support my own weight then I guess we should get rid of National Defense, public infrastructure, courts, and all government services.

Under the constitution direct taxation in the form of a poll taxes is illegal. Obamacare is a poll tax. Read the Post by attempter that linked to. I cited it because I agreed with arguement.

I’m amazed that you so called liberals are supporting the most reactionary tax since Maggie Thatcher’s community “charge” back in 1991.

Private for profit Medical Insurance isn’t a medical resource, it’s racket set up by Congress.

As for everyone pulling their own weight, I find that funny coming somebody who supports Obamacare. If I alone support my own weight then I guess we should get rid of National Defense, public infrastructure, courts, and all government services.

Under the constitution direct taxation in the form of a poll taxes is illegal. Obamacare is a poll tax. Read the Post by attempter that linked to. I cited it because I agreed with arguement.

I’m amazed that you so called liberals are supporting the most reactionary tax since Maggie Thatcher’s community “charge” back in 1991.

Private for profit Medical Insurance isn’t a medical resource, it’s racket set up by Congress.

As for everyone pulling their own weight, I find that funny coming somebody who supports Obamacare. If I alone support my own weight then I guess we should get rid of National Defense, public infrastructure, courts, and all government services.

Under the constitution direct taxation in the form of a poll taxes is illegal. Obamacare is a poll tax. Read the Post by attempter that linked to. I cited it because I agreed with arguement.

I’m amazed that you so called liberals are supporting the most reactionary tax since Maggie Thatcher’s community “charge” back in 1991.

Private for profit Medical Insurance isn’t a medical resource, it’s racket set up by Congress.

As for everyone pulling their own weight, I find that funny coming somebody who supports Obamacare. If I alone support my own weight then I guess we should get rid of National Defense, public infrastructure, courts, and all government services.

Under the constitution direct taxation in the form of a poll taxes is illegal. Obamacare is a poll tax. Read the Post by attempter that linked to. I cited it because I agreed with arguement.

I’m amazed that you so called liberals are supporting the most reactionary tax since Maggie Thatcher’s community “charge” back in 1991.

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I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.

I posted the article because it argues the point well and represents my position better than I believe I could in a reasonable about of time. I did not claim I was the author rather I promoted the author’s blog and told people that they should visit it.

If I cite say James Galbraith on the issue of Government spending you would claim I was a crazy teabagger because I’m attacking Pete Peterson attacking on SS. I am single payer advocate you stupid dupes.