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I find it stunning that anyone who voted for Obama still supports him. He is worse than Bush and he is worse than McCain would have been. By having a Democrat acting as a Republican in the White House it fractures the resistance to these corporatist, New Deal crushing policies by splitting the opposition from the center and the left.

I find it stunning that anyone who voted for Obama still supports him. He is worse than Bush and he is worse than McCain would have been. By having a Democrat acting as a Republican in the White House it fractures the resistance to these corporatist, New Deal crushing policies by splitting the opposition from the center and the left.

I find it stunning that anyone who voted for Obama still supports him. He is worse than Bush and he is worse than McCain would have been. By having a Democrat acting as a Republican in the White House it fractures the resistance to these corporatist, New Deal crushing policies by splitting the opposition from the center and the left.

Why am I not in the least bit surprised.

Why am I not in the least bit surprised.

Why am I not in the least bit surprised.

Why still support him? Just consider the alternative. Been voting since Kennedy and can’t think of one thing the republicans have done for me. Republicans are good for business. Democrats are good for America.

Why still support him? Just consider the alternative. Been voting since Kennedy and can’t think of one thing the republicans have done for me. Republicans are good for business. Democrats are good for America.

Why still support him? Just consider the alternative. Been voting since Kennedy and can’t think of one thing the republicans have done for me. Republicans are good for business. Democrats are good for America.

Obama has already started his assault on social security by reducing the payroll tax. This was the first attack. Now he will use the resulting shortfall as an excuse to dismantle the program. The hope and change we were promised is not the “change” we had hoped for. Many of you who, like me, whole-heartedly supported Obama will continue to do so and will not believe this warning. You will continue to find ways to rationalize what he is doing because “the alternative would have been so much worse.” That may be true, but it will not stop him from dismantling the best and most important social program this country has.

Obama has already started his assault on social security by reducing the payroll tax. This was the first attack. Now he will use the resulting shortfall as an excuse to dismantle the program. The hope and change we were promised is not the “change” we had hoped for. Many of you who, like me, whole-heartedly supported Obama will continue to do so and will not believe this warning. You will continue to find ways to rationalize what he is doing because “the alternative would have been so much worse.” That may be true, but it will not stop him from dismantling the best and most important social program this country has.

Obama has already started his assault on social security by reducing the payroll tax. This was the first attack. Now he will use the resulting shortfall as an excuse to dismantle the program. The hope and change we were promised is not the “change” we had hoped for. Many of you who, like me, whole-heartedly supported Obama will continue to do so and will not believe this warning. You will continue to find ways to rationalize what he is doing because “the alternative would have been so much worse.” That may be true, but it will not stop him from dismantling the best and most important social program this country has.

Although it was always the Republicans that promised to gut social security, it looks like it will be the Democrats that deliver on that promise.

I can’t even begin to describe my total disgust with both the democratic and republican wings our corporate political party.

Although it was always the Republicans that promised to gut social security, it looks like it will be the Democrats that deliver on that promise.

I can’t even begin to describe my total disgust with both the democratic and republican wings our corporate political party.

Although it was always the Republicans that promised to gut social security, it looks like it will be the Democrats that deliver on that promise.

I can’t even begin to describe my total disgust with both the democratic and republican wings our corporate political party.

He’s not worse than McCain. Health insurance reform and DADT repeal are good things. And McCain — once one of the Keating 5 — would have fellated Wall Street as much as Obama has. He’s losing me, but he’s still better than McCain.

He’s not worse than McCain. Health insurance reform and DADT repeal are good things. And McCain — once one of the Keating 5 — would have fellated Wall Street as much as Obama has. He’s losing me, but he’s still better than McCain.

He’s not worse than McCain. Health insurance reform and DADT repeal are good things. And McCain — once one of the Keating 5 — would have fellated Wall Street as much as Obama has. He’s losing me, but he’s still better than McCain.

A torturing, war supporting, estate tax cutting, union busting, spying on Americans Democrat is not good for America unless you have a much different idea of America than I do.

A torturing, war supporting, estate tax cutting, union busting, spying on Americans Democrat is not good for America unless you have a much different idea of America than I do.

A torturing, war supporting, estate tax cutting, union busting, spying on Americans Democrat is not good for America unless you have a much different idea of America than I do.

They could cut at least 30% off the sacred defense budget and we would be no less secure than we are now. The military industrial complex is the biggest racket biggest scam in the world.

They could cut at least 30% off the sacred defense budget and we would be no less secure than we are now. The military industrial complex is the biggest racket biggest scam in the world.

They could cut at least 30% off the sacred defense budget and we would be no less secure than we are now. The military industrial complex is the biggest racket biggest scam in the world.

In my neighborhood, the folks who vote often get better response and services from the city and those whose neighborhood doesn’t vote get neglected. I’m sure it’s this way all over the country. I am also sure though, that those folks who depend on social programs (like the elderly and the disabled) vote like a motherfucker.

In my neighborhood, the folks who vote often get better response and services from the city and those whose neighborhood doesn’t vote get neglected. I’m sure it’s this way all over the country. I am also sure though, that those folks who depend on social programs (like the elderly and the disabled) vote like a motherfucker.

In my neighborhood, the folks who vote often get better response and services from the city and those whose neighborhood doesn’t vote get neglected. I’m sure it’s this way all over the country. I am also sure though, that those folks who depend on social programs (like the elderly and the disabled) vote like a motherfucker.

The people who voted for Mr Obama . . . voted to expand the War in Afghanistan. That is what Mr O SAID he would do, after all. And he has followed through. (Mr McCain said the same thing).

Something needs to be cut, and the fact that SocSec is “on the chopping block” should come as no surprise.

. . . IT’S WHAT YOU VOTED FOR, FOLKS.

The people who voted for Mr Obama . . . voted to expand the War in Afghanistan. That is what Mr O SAID he would do, after all. And he has followed through. (Mr McCain said the same thing).

Something needs to be cut, and the fact that SocSec is “on the chopping block” should come as no surprise.

. . . IT’S WHAT YOU VOTED FOR, FOLKS.

The people who voted for Mr Obama . . . voted to expand the War in Afghanistan. That is what Mr O SAID he would do, after all. And he has followed through. (Mr McCain said the same thing).

Something needs to be cut, and the fact that SocSec is “on the chopping block” should come as no surprise.

. . . IT’S WHAT YOU VOTED FOR, FOLKS.

I’m confused (AND ANGRY!): Isn’t the money in Social Security MY MONEY and all the other working people who have been paying in it over the years to create a retirement cushion?! By God, if THIS doesn’t get people in the streets then we are truly DOOMED as a society-in-chains!!!

I’m confused (AND ANGRY!): Isn’t the money in Social Security MY MONEY and all the other working people who have been paying in it over the years to create a retirement cushion?! By God, if THIS doesn’t get people in the streets then we are truly DOOMED as a society-in-chains!!!

I’m confused (AND ANGRY!): Isn’t the money in Social Security MY MONEY and all the other working people who have been paying in it over the years to create a retirement cushion?! By God, if THIS doesn’t get people in the streets then we are truly DOOMED as a society-in-chains!!!

This is why it’s better to let a republican in as president than re-elect Obomber. A repiglican cannot destroy the last of FDR’s legacy to us. Just like it took Nixon to go to China. Just like it took a dem to start the rollback of banking regs, media consolidation regs, and give us nafta (Clinton), so it will take a dem to destroy ss and medicare. Obomber is that Dem.

This is why it’s better to let a republican in as president than re-elect Obomber. A repiglican cannot destroy the last of FDR’s legacy to us. Just like it took Nixon to go to China. Just like it took a dem to start the rollback of banking regs, media consolidation regs, and give us nafta (Clinton), so it will take a dem to destroy ss and medicare. Obomber is that Dem.

you apparently didn’t read the post you just commented on…

you apparently didn’t read the post you just commented on…

you apparently didn’t read the post you just commented on…

Oreo Obama completely lacks the integrity to defend any program that benefits the average American. At least a Republican president would be firmly opposed and possibly shamed by the Democrats but not Oreo Obama.

Oreo Obama completely lacks the integrity to defend any program that benefits the average American. At least a Republican president would be firmly opposed and possibly shamed by the Democrats but not Oreo Obama.

Oreo Obama completely lacks the integrity to defend any program that benefits the average American. At least a Republican president would be firmly opposed and possibly shamed by the Democrats but not Oreo Obama.

How do people still debate over federal politics, Blue vs Red, Coke vs Pepsi, might as well be Crypts vs Bloods, THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO, no lesser evils, same economic, monetary, military, foreign, domestic, security, policy as each other. Admit the fact that we do not live in a democracy, it is a corporate duopoly. Municipal politics has a fleeting iota of purpose to it, until the municipal bond crash that is, then they will be amalgamated with the state reptiles. People over 45 better get ready to make a trip to DC.

How do people still debate over federal politics, Blue vs Red, Coke vs Pepsi, might as well be Crypts vs Bloods, THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO, no lesser evils, same economic, monetary, military, foreign, domestic, security, policy as each other. Admit the fact that we do not live in a democracy, it is a corporate duopoly. Municipal politics has a fleeting iota of purpose to it, until the municipal bond crash that is, then they will be amalgamated with the state reptiles. People over 45 better get ready to make a trip to DC.

How do people still debate over federal politics, Blue vs Red, Coke vs Pepsi, might as well be Crypts vs Bloods, THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO, no lesser evils, same economic, monetary, military, foreign, domestic, security, policy as each other. Admit the fact that we do not live in a democracy, it is a corporate duopoly. Municipal politics has a fleeting iota of purpose to it, until the municipal bond crash that is, then they will be amalgamated with the state reptiles. People over 45 better get ready to make a trip to DC.

“the alternative would have been so much worse.” No. The alternative would have no chance of destroying ss and medicare.

“the alternative would have been so much worse.” No. The alternative would have no chance of destroying ss and medicare.

“the alternative would have been so much worse.” No. The alternative would have no chance of destroying ss and medicare.

This should hardly be a shock for anyone paying attention during the “Great Lame DUCK Successes”. This clearly is the end of social security as we know it. If there is to be the much anticipated privatization push resulting from the newest threat to social security solvency, then I strongly suggest that there be an “opt-out” provision included so that citizens are not forced to prop up the great Wall Street ponzi scheme. Let them find some other suckers.

This should hardly be a shock for anyone paying attention during the “Great Lame DUCK Successes”. This clearly is the end of social security as we know it. If there is to be the much anticipated privatization push resulting from the newest threat to social security solvency, then I strongly suggest that there be an “opt-out” provision included so that citizens are not forced to prop up the great Wall Street ponzi scheme. Let them find some other suckers.

This should hardly be a shock for anyone paying attention during the “Great Lame DUCK Successes”. This clearly is the end of social security as we know it. If there is to be the much anticipated privatization push resulting from the newest threat to social security solvency, then I strongly suggest that there be an “opt-out” provision included so that citizens are not forced to prop up the great Wall Street ponzi scheme. Let them find some other suckers.

Bernie 2012, whether he runs or not.

Bernie 2012, whether he runs or not.

Bernie 2012, whether he runs or not.

Calling him “Oreo” shows your own lack of integrity. Sure he sucks, but calling him an “Oreo” is just stupid.

Calling him “Oreo” shows your own lack of integrity. Sure he sucks, but calling him an “Oreo” is just stupid.

Calling him “Oreo” shows your own lack of integrity. Sure he sucks, but calling him an “Oreo” is just stupid.

when the scale is shifted to such a major degree as it has been over the last 30 years, you can make a Republican look and sound like a Democrat. I think this is very true in Obama’s case, he sounds, behaves, and supports legislation that a Republican would have/did 20 years ago (i.e. health care legislation, social security defunding, wars, billionaire tax breaks, letting Bushco criminals walk, etc.). Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, must be a DINO.

when the scale is shifted to such a major degree as it has been over the last 30 years, you can make a Republican look and sound like a Democrat. I think this is very true in Obama’s case, he sounds, behaves, and supports legislation that a Republican would have/did 20 years ago (i.e. health care legislation, social security defunding, wars, billionaire tax breaks, letting Bushco criminals walk, etc.). Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, must be a DINO.

when the scale is shifted to such a major degree as it has been over the last 30 years, you can make a Republican look and sound like a Democrat. I think this is very true in Obama’s case, he sounds, behaves, and supports legislation that a Republican would have/did 20 years ago (i.e. health care legislation, social security defunding, wars, billionaire tax breaks, letting Bushco criminals walk, etc.). Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, must be a DINO.

These are not your father’s democrats. The Democratic Party is now a socially moderate and fiscally conservative center-right party. That is why we so badly need a party to the left of them.

These are not your father’s democrats. The Democratic Party is now a socially moderate and fiscally conservative center-right party. That is why we so badly need a party to the left of them.

These are not your father’s democrats. The Democratic Party is now a socially moderate and fiscally conservative center-right party. That is why we so badly need a party to the left of them.

This is an outrage – a democrat was elected into office to NOT do what Obama is doing.
It’s quite clear that there is very little difference between to the two major political parties.

This is an outrage – a democrat was elected into office to NOT do what Obama is doing.
It’s quite clear that there is very little difference between to the two major political parties.

This is an outrage – a democrat was elected into office to NOT do what Obama is doing.
It’s quite clear that there is very little difference between to the two major political parties.

It’s what who voted for. Obama supporters or teabaggers. Hard to decide isn’t it… That’s because both groups have been fooled. Baggers hate government, but voted for positions in government, so they don’t get what they want. Obama supporters/liberals hated corporate control, and since the Obama campaign took so much corporate money, they are still in charge, so they don’t get what they want.

So, If you hate either government or corporate control of your life, you are screwed, because you still have a government controlled by corporations controlling your life.

It’s what who voted for. Obama supporters or teabaggers. Hard to decide isn’t it… That’s because both groups have been fooled. Baggers hate government, but voted for positions in government, so they don’t get what they want. Obama supporters/liberals hated corporate control, and since the Obama campaign took so much corporate money, they are still in charge, so they don’t get what they want.

So, If you hate either government or corporate control of your life, you are screwed, because you still have a government controlled by corporations controlling your life.

The “end” will begin when they change the contract that is Social Security. They will see civil disorder far worse than the 60′s – 70′s – 80′s combined.
The government will learn the true meaning of the danger of the Third Rail….

Only after Military spending (black projects) and corporate welfare (tax breaks) are at zero balance then and only then can they begin to discuss changes in the social contract.

People better wake up to what a snake in the grass this grinning jackass , Trojan horse of a president is before it’s too late . It’s been obvious from the beginning he’s nothing but a closet republican . He’s appointed nothing but conservatives to every meaningful position , no one even slightly liberal in sight . Hes followed and continued conservative policies without fail and found excuse after lame excuse to give into the minority without a fight . Made back room deals screwing his base and no one has held him to account . The so called liberal media keeps cheering him on nomater what , we better wake up and fast or it’s game set match .

It’s not harsh enough, in my opinion. Obama has fixed it so there won’t be another black president elected for decades.

Lucky, I pretty much agree with you that a republican trying to do what Obama is doing would have had huge opposition. A republican in democrat clothes, however, can get away with this. And I think it is because most obama supporters feel the alternative would be worse. But really, who is worse, the enemy you know or the one who you believe is your friend?

And that’s all he’s got left – “better than McCain”. At this point, I’m betting even that won’t last the rest of his term.

I’m writing someone in , I won’t vote for a republican or a conservative whether they’re running as a republican or pretending to be a democrat .

THAT’S OUR MONEY!!!!!! THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ENRON.!!!! PUT ALL “BORROWED” BACK IMMEDIATELY AND KEEP ALL STICKY HANDS OFF. HOPE THERE WILL NE REAL JAIL TIME FOR ANY ONE WHO TOUCHES IT FURTHER!

now! you are meddling with my possibles! I reckon I will be headed to Washington to raise a ruckus on those good old boys in the white house!

Bernie, like me, is a DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST fighting for “We the People”! Can we NOW begin to get involved in Democratic Socialism and BUILD that party?! What the hell else is left but to stay in the rut of the chained?!

I told you so people. Since day one I said Obama is a fraud, a trojan horse elected on hope and change. Instead, he has brought us Bush’s third term. He is working actively with the Illuminati and other foreign banking interests to bankrupt America and steal it’s wealth and treasure. Since he gained the WH he has gone directly right, even belitteling his progressive base, the very people who voted for this charlatan. ENOUGH!

Exactly , it also has nothing to do with the deficit . We’re in this mess because of wall street , two unnecessary wars and cutting taxes for the rich . Reversing those policies is the only way out , along with locking up a bunch of bankers to send them a message . But don’t hold your breath , they’ve taken over government and more importantly , the media .

If Congress does not significantly reduce the bloated defense budget , then we should include them in the description … It is a military-industrial-congressional complex , these guys (and gals) are taking care of themselves , not US . The military-industrial bosses couldn’t have screwed the country to the degree that they have without congress doing their bidding . How many “public servants” and “generals” are millionaires after decades of being on the public payroll ? They are scamming US . War is a racket .

No , it’s not what most of us voted for , it’s what we got .

THE “PRAGMATIS¬T”

Obama’s appeasemen¬ts UNDERMINED/MARGINALIZED Democrats. Republican¬s made him look like an accommodating co-dependent. When voters couldn’t see a CLEAR DISTINCTIO¬N between Democratic and Republican values/pol¬icies, they had nothing to rally FOR or fight AGAINST in the midterms?

Iraq/Afgha¬nistan are no more stable/win¬nable than they were under Bush. Americans and innocents CONTINUE to DIE for NOTHING. Taxpayers CONTINUE to have hundreds of billions of dollars pi$$ed away.

Obama didn’t keep his campaign promise to provide AFFORDABLE health care insurance. There is nothing in the health care reform bill that creates the competitio¬n necessary to drive health care insurance prices down. 50,000,000 Americans are uninsured.

Obama didn’t keep his campaign promises to end the Bush tax cuts for the rich, to implement environmen¬tal regulation¬s to govern smog and toxic emissions from industrial boilers, to end off-shore/¬deep water oil drilling, to provide government transparen¬cy or to help homeowners keep their homes.

Obama has been HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL in perpetuati¬ng the abuses and corruption¬s of the military industrial complex, of crap-shoot¬ing banks and stock brokers, of usurious insurance companies, of monopolist¬ic oil companies, of manipulati¬ve real estate mortgage companies and the OBSCENE bonuses their executives say they are ENTITLED to.

Had Obama been an IDEALIST, would he have FOUGHT HARDER to keep his campaign promises? Or would he still have chosen to “compromis¬e” with the devil and declare to the American people that he “had no choice” and it was the “right” thing to do?

The President can’t “cut” anything. He can ask for a cut, but Congress has the ultimate say-so.

If given another opportunity to choose between Barack Obama and a pile of steaming dog shit, this time I literally hold my nose and give President Dog Shit my support.

You could cut 50% and still have a much bigger military than is necessary to defend the country .

Are Bowles and Simpson accepting SS monthly checks? Do they need them?
Clearly this attack on the lifeline for American elders is another expression of the demolition of even the appearance of democracy. In effect these plans will disenfranchise millions of Americans from participation in American culture as the age past 65 years.
SS- once a grand well-earned, well-deserved gift from one American to another. Denouncing SS as an unaffordable expense is like saying “Let them eat cake”.

Obama will be making at least 100 million enemies along with anyone who supports these steps. If there was ever a need to remove him and any politician or bureaucrat that thinks they can get away with attacking SS, the time is now. I’m going to be informing my reps that I will ask their stance on this and if they oppose SS or won’t impeach, that it will be time to recall them from office. It shouldn’t be too hard to find many who will back the recall.

OK. Everyone’s comments appear to be rational and reasonable. So the question is, how do we stop the bastard?

OK. Everyone’s comments appear to be rational and reasonable. So the question is, how do we stop the bastard?

That’s what our so called liberal talkers keep telling us , they should have been on him like stink on a skunk from the beginning .

That’s what our so called liberal talkers keep telling us , they should have been on him like stink on a skunk from the beginning .

There will be no S.S cut by Obama, as it would kill his re-election.

There will be no S.S cut by Obama, as it would kill his re-election.

PREACH IT!

so true… we need a third party.

Can I have the money I paid into back then? haha yeah right!

PREACH IT!

so true… we need a third party.

Can I have the money I paid into back then? haha yeah right!

Bingo

Bingo

A few correspondents covering Iraq pointed out that the new crowd control weaponry deployed in Iraq (sound cannons, micro wave heat rays, etc) had very little use in conflicts such as Iraq. These weapons were and are much better suited to dispersing large crowds that may occur in the USA and Europe.

A few correspondents covering Iraq pointed out that the new crowd control weaponry deployed in Iraq (sound cannons, micro wave heat rays, etc) had very little use in conflicts such as Iraq. These weapons were and are much better suited to dispersing large crowds that may occur in the USA and Europe.

Obama is really a Republican Corporatist. Masking as a gentleman. Atleast you knew where Bush stood with his insanepolicies like “leave no child behind” and donut holes. Obama uses the same tactics of Orwellian Newspeak, however its done to his own party, not the opposition.

Obama is really a Republican Corporatist. Masking as a gentleman. Atleast you knew where Bush stood with his insanepolicies like “leave no child behind” and donut holes. Obama uses the same tactics of Orwellian Newspeak, however its done to his own party, not the opposition.

There is no indication that he wants to be reelected is there?

There is no indication that he wants to be reelected is there?

Sorry to have to tell you this, Bernie, but the Social Security Trust Fund (that I have been paying into for almost 50 years) is an accounting fiction. When the so-called tax cutter, Reagan, raised the payroll taxes in 1983, he also grabbed its assets and replaced them with IOUs that don’t have the same standing as actual Treasury Bonds. That means it’s essentially a big ponzi scheme. The corporatist schemers (including Obama) are about to welsh on the deal that was made at that time with working people and there’s very little that any of us can do about it.

Sorry to have to tell you this, Bernie, but the Social Security Trust Fund (that I have been paying into for almost 50 years) is an accounting fiction. When the so-called tax cutter, Reagan, raised the payroll taxes in 1983, he also grabbed its assets and replaced them with IOUs that don’t have the same standing as actual Treasury Bonds. That means it’s essentially a big ponzi scheme. The corporatist schemers (including Obama) are about to welsh on the deal that was made at that time with working people and there’s very little that any of us can do about it.

Bring back Ben Ali!!

You are spot on. Every accounting and projection of Social Security show that it is fully funded until mid 2030′s and with no changes it can meet 75% of it’s obligations until 2075 with no changes. This entire scam is to let Wall Street get it’s hands on the money in an attempt to save it’s self. The Derivative obligations of Wall Street were estimated between 750 trillion to 1000 trillion dollars (greater than the entire economic product of the planet for 15 years. Wall Street is bankrupt and it is apparent that Obama will sacrifice everything in an attempt to save them.

One word of advice. Take whatever benefits you can if you qualify now. The Social Security treasure chest will be raided at some point whether by Obama or his successor. Better 30% of something than 100% of nothing.

I don’t know about the 100 million enemies. For the first time in the history of SSi..Obama and his staff/advisors cut out the COLAs for SSI recipients for 2 years…and I heard complaints only from one congressman…who was very quickly silenced.

Well this will really cast in stone for my Mother who is 86 that the scary black man in the WH is determined to destroy her life.

The extention of the tax cuts and the escallation of our ridiculous ME war, appointment of corporate tools to positions in his administration and the fact that there is not one big infrastructure project has left me without representation. We might as well just get this over with.

Elect Barbor, turn loose the coporate army in America and end public education. That will at least get the US started on the road to our next Revolution.

Obama is the worst president ever. At least with Bush we knew that he would side with those that he grew up with. Brother Obama from Hawaii has turned his back on the people that were his peers. He is heel-bent on becoming part of the Master class. Thanks Obama for making it so clear that you have other things in mind than working for the Citizens of the USA

Any cuts to SS and all bets are off. It will confirm all of the cynicism I’ve ever read on here.
SS is not a bartering tool for some bizarre fetish with “bipartisanship”.
This constant right wing attack on SS needs to be put down once and for all, however necessary.
Obama is wrong to even listen to repukes on this one, there is no “other point of view”, just a concerted effort to destroy a successful progressive program.

Has there ever been a President who worked harder to be ousted after one term?

Obama cuts Social Security and Cheney will be proved right because he will be a one term President. He needs to start playing the game the cuts should all come from the demand of the Tea Party/ GOP not from the Democrats. Make the Tea Party/ GOP live up to their campaign promises don’t make it easier on them.

The only people fooled were people not paying attention.

Never forget that a REAL left-leaning Democrat was running for President; Dennis Kucinich.

The leadership of the Democratic party, the political leadership arm of the Democrats, those are the traitors to the party. Those are the rich corporatists that are rigging the game and putting puppets up infront of the media. … and until the masses STOP paying attention to the TV and start doing their own homework, we’ll continue to have a generally right-wing, right-sliding government.. because that’s what the MEDIA and the corporatists who OWN the media WANT.

Thomas Jefferson (and the rest of the founding fathers) knew.. you must have a well informed populace to have a functioning Democracy. Americans don’t want to be well informed, they want to be “right” and entertained. Stupid is as stupid does, and we got a shit load of stupid in this country.

I agree, he is much more like a chocolate chip. Duh.

As our other liberal brethren point out, we are the most heavily armed population in the world. I am not advocating violence and insurrection.

We are also as technically savvy as any other population and we have the means to connect, whether low tech (CB/Ham Radio) or high tech until they switch it off (I-Net, cell phone).

We can also be a rowdy bunch when you back us up to the wall.

The American people can be the biggest bendover and take it in the butt people,but by god we can also be the most hardcore,let’s get our skin back people also.All the politicians that even have any play in bringing down the ss system in this country had better retire to a foreign country because there will be nowhere safe for them to live in this country.

Kucinich, Franken, Feingold, McKinny, et. al… there are plenty of “real Dems” out there (though, many are being flushed by the moron masses).. it’s the DNC that seems to have been compromised, and since we don’t have a real free press on TV any more, the public can’t be informed or rally to a new “real socially leftish” party.

The Neo-Feudalism is becoming fully entrenched and the propaganda is in full effect. I really don’t see how the moron masses can get a wake up call since no matter which way they turn, between their American Idol episodes and Real Housewives of whatthefuckever, all they get on “news” is bullshit and lies. … we’re fucked.

“can’t think of one thing the republicans have done for me.”

So, did the Democrats make a few car payments for you or something?

For the 100th time or more – not the “change” I voted for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There wasn’t much hand wringing when the government told corporations that privatizing retirements was OK.. your 401k is the corporate answer to no longer wanting to be responsible for retirement packages/payments. The government let them keep the cash and kick people off, and guided everyone else in the up and coming generations into a “privatized retirement system”. Your retirement is rooted in the smoke and mirrors of Wall Street, and your government sponsored portion is headed there, too. So is all your medical security once Medicare gets handed over to Cigna for administration.

Well.. Van Jones (who he didn’t support or protect).. and there were a lot of “publicly leftish” types in Hollywood that put their careers on hold to join his campaign/office initially.. although, most of them have quietly walked away now.

So, he had appearances early on, anyway.

Say goodbye to Social Security, it will soon go to DOD.

The Neocons fancy themselves, as great students of history, believing that empire is necessary to world order, and that we have to be that empire. What the Neocons accept, is that empire creation, and maintenance, always required varying degrees, of social and physical brutality, and required more and more of the empires wealth, to mount and maintain adequate defenses. Past empires didn’t have nukes, robots, and electronic surveillance. The Neocons will use anything at their disposal to maintain empire, humanity and civility, are not part of their being, only power and wealth.

Cheney, the head Neocon, is lining up a heart transplant, and if successful, will run for president in 2012. He believes a nuclear war can be fought and won.

The corporotist scotus is at it again. Wading into a case where major defense contractors, “contend the government violated their constitutional rights by invoking the state secrets privilege to trump their claims in a long-running contract dispute.” I’d put the Vegas odds on this one, 6:3, defense contractors.

Venezuela has oil reservers equal to Saudi Arabia. Venezuela has been cozying up to China. Watch the Neocons, who once used, the infamous school of the Americas, to try and dominate central America, work even harder to destabilize, and dominate central America.

The slide toward prison planet continues.

President Barry Bedwetter has no choice but to cut Social Security. What do you people expect him to cut? The military budget? We need new tech fighter jets, bombers and ships to defend the Homeland and fight off the Al-Qaeda and Taliban Air Force’s and Navy’s. Has the horror of the last attack by the Al-Qaeda Air Force on 9-11 slipped every one’s mind? We lag behind the Taliban in technology and number of ships. Did you know the Taliban’s ships run on Opium? Don’t you people realize that a lot of the people on Social Security are elderly? A lot of them will be dead before the next elections. Why worry about them? Voters will come around. Just as in 2008 when everyone got on board the “Change you can believe in” campaign train, voters will jump on board the 2012 “Begging for Change” campaign train. It’s going to be more of a grassroots movement, no more flashy signs and campaign ads. Voters will be encouraged to make their own homemade signs. Wait until you see all those voters walking around with “Begging for Change” signs. It’ll give you goosebumps..

President Barry Bedwetter has no choice but to cut Social Security. What do you people expect him to cut? The military budget? We need new tech fighter jets, bombers and ships to defend the Homeland and fight off the Al-Qaeda and Taliban Air Force’s and Navy’s. Has the horror of the last attack by the Al-Qaeda Air Force on 9-11 slipped every one’s mind? We lag behind the Taliban in technology and number of ships. Did you know the Taliban’s ships run on Opium? Don’t you people realize that a lot of the people on Social Security are elderly? A lot of them will be dead before the next elections. Why worry about them? Voters will come around. Just as in 2008 when everyone got on board the “Change you can believe in” campaign train, voters will jump on board the 2012 “Begging for Change” campaign train. It’s going to be more of a grassroots movement, no more flashy signs and campaign ads. Voters will be encouraged to make their own homemade signs. Wait until you see all those voters walking around with “Begging for Change” signs. It’ll give you goosebumps..

I knew I’d never see any SS $. I knew it. Wish I’d bet money on it. Could buy lunch’n shit.

I knew I’d never see any SS $. I knew it. Wish I’d bet money on it. Could buy lunch’n shit.

What reelection?

What reelection?

I Love Bernie Sanders!

I understood those IOUs to be T Bills. I think they pretty much have to be, don’t they?

I think President O’Bambi is more concerned with the Taliban’s Space Weapons Program. There can be little doubt that the Taliban will have a nuclear-armed moon base soon.
That’s what you call vision or ‘the vision thing’.

DOD, to some extent, Wall. St, mostly.

Hillary would have been a better candidate. If Obummer cuts S.S. not only will he not be re-elected, I say impeach him. This republican but kisser needs to brighten up. republicans won’t try to impeach him when he does their bidding and MORE. No one asked him to cut S.S. withholding. He has got to be the worst Democrat we’ve had in the W.H.

Obama “yes we can!” What Obama is really thinking; “But I’m not going to, so screw you all; I have bigger fish to fry.” There’s the book deals, the speaker fees, the TV shows and of course the my tit for tat payment from big business, banks and weapon manufactures. I can’t wait for this shitty job as president to end so I can get mine.”

Sanders Greyson 2012

Impeach Obama “The Reneger”, The False Flag President. The money slashed from Social Security will go to the next bail-out for the Wall Street Banksters.

I wouldn’t be so quick to put Franken in a category with the others – he’s the self-described man of the ‘mushball middle’, and if I remember correctly (this is from one of his books) he called himself that while praising WJC, the great triangulator himself.

Sorry for the following language, but all this really chaps my ass!!!…

When will this debate regarding Social Security end? What a STUPID country this has become in the last ten years!

To all stupid Government officials:

“KEEP YOUR GRUBBY FUCKING MEATHOOKS OFF OF THE AMERICAN WORKERS RETIREMENT FUND!!!” This is the ONLY source of income that people rely on when they leave work and/or become disabled!!!

If they have a burr in their ass to cut anything from Social Security, then it should be the “Illegals” that collect disability only because they don’t speak the language?!
What stupid nimrod came up with that sort of entitlement?

It’s already bad enough that 401ks are disappearing due to the money grubbing PRICKS in the Stock Market treating retirement funds like drunken sailors at a Casino!

I’m also sick to to keep hearing the retirement age is being raised AGAIN?! As if Baby boomers have to work till they’re what… 70+ years old?
Are they going to keep raising the age limit till no one can collect what they paid in?

Yeah…RIGHT…try keeping a job when you’re 70 with all the Age Discriminating businesses out there! “Sorry, we got to let you go because you are just to slow!”

Our gov’t now consists of a group of inconsiderate SCUMBAGS, that don’t give a damn about anybody else but themselves and their rich cocksucker friends!(Madoff, et al)

Yet, these same lowlife bastards on BOTH sides of the aisle are set with their retirement and pensions off YOUR sore working back via tax dollars!

So…When will it end?

It’s Guns or Butter and the US gov’t is bound to choose guns. That is terrible.
I think all of us should look to moving North to Canada or to Europe.
Leave this whole “Budget Balancing” DC crowd to chop each other up.

“Barack Obama is a brand. And the Obama brand is designed to make us feel good about our government while corporate overlords loot the Treasury, our elected officials continue to have their palms greased by armies of corporate lobbyists, our corporate media diverts us with gossip and trivia and our imperial wars expand in the Middle East. Brand Obama is about being happy consumers. We are entertained. We feel hopeful. We like our president. We believe he is like us. But like all branded products spun out from the manipulative world of corporate advertising, we are being duped into doing and supporting a lot of things that are not in our interest.”

“… The Obama campaign was named Advertising Age’s marketer of the year for 2008 and edged out runners-up Apple and Zappos.com. Take it from the professionals. Brand Obama is a marketer’s dream. President Obama does one thing and Brand Obama gets you to believe another. This is the essence of successful advertising. You buy or do what the advertiser wants because of how they can make you feel [or because of crass and calculating motivations related to funding and perceived access to power at the upper ranks of the liberal Establishment.

-Paul Street

I agree, but I think you have to include prison. Military-industrial-congressional-prison complex.

Those who bought into the slogans ‘Hope’ and ‘Change’ last fall should have read the fine print. We were warned.

– Scott Horton, March 4, 2009

mind reader … minus a few more explicatives , Bro !

mind reader … minus a few more explicatives , Bro !

mind reader … minus a few more explicatives , Bro !

ABSOLUTELY!!

ABSOLUTELY!!

ABSOLUTELY!!

Wish is why I willingly take heat for saying that he is much worse than Bush and mean it.
It’s sickening to know that he has all these pathetic worshipers egging him on.

Wish is why I willingly take heat for saying that he is much worse than Bush and mean it.
It’s sickening to know that he has all these pathetic worshipers egging him on.

Wish is why I willingly take heat for saying that he is much worse than Bush and mean it.
It’s sickening to know that he has all these pathetic worshipers egging him on.

Scott’s da man

Scott’s da man

Scott’s da man

You tell me? Support a really bad Republican? Wonder how someone like Thom Hartmann or Greg Palast would respond to the same question.

You tell me? Support a really bad Republican? Wonder how someone like Thom Hartmann or Greg Palast would respond to the same question.

You tell me? Support a really bad Republican? Wonder how someone like Thom Hartmann or Greg Palast would respond to the same question.

He best not touch social security !

He best not touch social security !

He best not touch social security !

AND, BERNIE IS THE ONLY SENATOR WHO DOES NOT LIE.

AND, BERNIE IS THE ONLY SENATOR WHO DOES NOT LIE.

AND, BERNIE IS THE ONLY SENATOR WHO DOES NOT LIE.

Pitch forks and torches.

Pitch forks and torches.

Pitch forks and torches.

No, they are not Treasury bills. They are non-negotiable and they don’t count against the deficit. When payroll tax receipts eventually fail to cover outlays, the government is going to have to go out and borrow real money (from the Chinese?) to keep those SS checks coming.

No, they are not Treasury bills. They are non-negotiable and they don’t count against the deficit. When payroll tax receipts eventually fail to cover outlays, the government is going to have to go out and borrow real money (from the Chinese?) to keep those SS checks coming.

No, they are not Treasury bills. They are non-negotiable and they don’t count against the deficit. When payroll tax receipts eventually fail to cover outlays, the government is going to have to go out and borrow real money (from the Chinese?) to keep those SS checks coming.

Do you really think so, Texas Proud? Do you really think enough people will overcome apathy and complacency long enough to exercise their rights under the Constitution to dissent? Or do you think people will generally continue to look at their neighbors with blame and distrust like we’ve all been trained by our masters to do?

Do you really think so, Texas Proud? Do you really think enough people will overcome apathy and complacency long enough to exercise their rights under the Constitution to dissent? Or do you think people will generally continue to look at their neighbors with blame and distrust like we’ve all been trained by our masters to do?

Do you really think so, Texas Proud? Do you really think enough people will overcome apathy and complacency long enough to exercise their rights under the Constitution to dissent? Or do you think people will generally continue to look at their neighbors with blame and distrust like we’ve all been trained by our masters to do?

Obama’s appointment to head the SEC made a quiet little change last year. The only place I read about it was on Bloomberg. The financial institutions managing your 401k can now change their managerial fee without your consent purely based on it’s effect of keeping the financial institution profitable. In other words if you 401k currently charges a .5% managerial fee per year it can now change that to 1.5% without your consent and without SEC approval.

Obama’s appointment to head the SEC made a quiet little change last year. The only place I read about it was on Bloomberg. The financial institutions managing your 401k can now change their managerial fee without your consent purely based on it’s effect of keeping the financial institution profitable. In other words if you 401k currently charges a .5% managerial fee per year it can now change that to 1.5% without your consent and without SEC approval.

Obama’s appointment to head the SEC made a quiet little change last year. The only place I read about it was on Bloomberg. The financial institutions managing your 401k can now change their managerial fee without your consent purely based on it’s effect of keeping the financial institution profitable. In other words if you 401k currently charges a .5% managerial fee per year it can now change that to 1.5% without your consent and without SEC approval.

Sure. America can launch an unnecessary war in Iraq while cutting taxes for the rich, and put it all on our Chinese credit card. We can bail out the banks and Wall Street and the auto industry. But when it comes to security for seniors…. when it comes to the best break the middle class ever had…. we suddenly have to be “sensible” and live within our means. Quelle croque d’merde!

Sure. America can launch an unnecessary war in Iraq while cutting taxes for the rich, and put it all on our Chinese credit card. We can bail out the banks and Wall Street and the auto industry. But when it comes to security for seniors…. when it comes to the best break the middle class ever had…. we suddenly have to be “sensible” and live within our means. Quelle croque d’merde!

Sure. America can launch an unnecessary war in Iraq while cutting taxes for the rich, and put it all on our Chinese credit card. We can bail out the banks and Wall Street and the auto industry. But when it comes to security for seniors…. when it comes to the best break the middle class ever had…. we suddenly have to be “sensible” and live within our means. Quelle croque d’merde!

Obama is a one term president as he will lose the base and he should if he cuts social security. What’s the point of re-electing one neoliberal idiot after another whether they carry the Repubublican or Democratic brand. Either way, we are doomed.

Welcome to the new nation of Subservia.

Obama is a one term president as he will lose the base and he should if he cuts social security. What’s the point of re-electing one neoliberal idiot after another whether they carry the Repubublican or Democratic brand. Either way, we are doomed.

Welcome to the new nation of Subservia.

Obama is a one term president as he will lose the base and he should if he cuts social security. What’s the point of re-electing one neoliberal idiot after another whether they carry the Repubublican or Democratic brand. Either way, we are doomed.

Welcome to the new nation of Subservia.

Time to take to the streets.

Time to take to the streets.

Time to take to the streets.

Social security is falsely described as a special “fund” — which it is not. It is simply another tax that goes into the federal tax coffers, from which Social Security distributions are allotted. So don’t worry about the one year cut in the payroll tax is just that and will not affect a “fund” that does not exist — the ‘fund’ concept has consistently been both misstated and misunderstood. Social security is, I think we can all agree, VERY important and every effort should be made to ensure it does not go away entirely. But consider this: when it was first instituted the average person receiving Social Security lived only five years beyond retirement age. We now are living 10, 20, often sometimes 30 years past what was considered “retirement age” when Social Security was first established — so the actuarial tables no longer compute. Thus sadly, as currently configured, it simply is not sustainable and that is not terribly difficult to understand. Either the age rises, or certain far-righters will push to take it away entirely. This isn’t a matter of choice but necessity, and must be addressed sooner than later. Our congressmen are too afraid to tell the truth, as it is a very sensitive subject, obviously. But that IS the truth, and those are the facts. I sincerely hope we do what is necessary before we ALL lose out.

Social security is falsely described as a special “fund” — which it is not. It is simply another tax that goes into the federal tax coffers, from which Social Security distributions are allotted. So don’t worry about the one year cut in the payroll tax is just that and will not affect a “fund” that does not exist — the ‘fund’ concept has consistently been both misstated and misunderstood. Social security is, I think we can all agree, VERY important and every effort should be made to ensure it does not go away entirely. But consider this: when it was first instituted the average person receiving Social Security lived only five years beyond retirement age. We now are living 10, 20, often sometimes 30 years past what was considered “retirement age” when Social Security was first established — so the actuarial tables no longer compute. Thus sadly, as currently configured, it simply is not sustainable and that is not terribly difficult to understand. Either the age rises, or certain far-righters will push to take it away entirely. This isn’t a matter of choice but necessity, and must be addressed sooner than later. Our congressmen are too afraid to tell the truth, as it is a very sensitive subject, obviously. But that IS the truth, and those are the facts. I sincerely hope we do what is necessary before we ALL lose out.

Social security is falsely described as a special “fund” — which it is not. It is simply another tax that goes into the federal tax coffers, from which Social Security distributions are allotted. So don’t worry about the one year cut in the payroll tax is just that and will not affect a “fund” that does not exist — the ‘fund’ concept has consistently been both misstated and misunderstood. Social security is, I think we can all agree, VERY important and every effort should be made to ensure it does not go away entirely. But consider this: when it was first instituted the average person receiving Social Security lived only five years beyond retirement age. We now are living 10, 20, often sometimes 30 years past what was considered “retirement age” when Social Security was first established — so the actuarial tables no longer compute. Thus sadly, as currently configured, it simply is not sustainable and that is not terribly difficult to understand. Either the age rises, or certain far-righters will push to take it away entirely. This isn’t a matter of choice but necessity, and must be addressed sooner than later. Our congressmen are too afraid to tell the truth, as it is a very sensitive subject, obviously. But that IS the truth, and those are the facts. I sincerely hope we do what is necessary before we ALL lose out.

I agree the Democrats really don’t stand for anything. The only thing I can figure out is that Obama stands for is his version of Mitt Romney’s health plan. And I can not believe 5 wars, the war in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia. I think he is a goner. Wait until another million plus lose their houses this year. The only reason unemployment looked better was that 250,000 unemployed were dropped off the unemployed list. I think he is incompetent. Everyone, but everyone, was saying that if employment stats looked good around election time he had a chance. He should have known. Instead he appointed Geithner and Summers, 2 asses that don’t give a shit if Obama succeeds or not, as long as they have a job when they leave the administration.

I agree the Democrats really don’t stand for anything. The only thing I can figure out is that Obama stands for is his version of Mitt Romney’s health plan. And I can not believe 5 wars, the war in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia. I think he is a goner. Wait until another million plus lose their houses this year. The only reason unemployment looked better was that 250,000 unemployed were dropped off the unemployed list. I think he is incompetent. Everyone, but everyone, was saying that if employment stats looked good around election time he had a chance. He should have known. Instead he appointed Geithner and Summers, 2 asses that don’t give a shit if Obama succeeds or not, as long as they have a job when they leave the administration.

I agree the Democrats really don’t stand for anything. The only thing I can figure out is that Obama stands for is his version of Mitt Romney’s health plan. And I can not believe 5 wars, the war in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia. I think he is a goner. Wait until another million plus lose their houses this year. The only reason unemployment looked better was that 250,000 unemployed were dropped off the unemployed list. I think he is incompetent. Everyone, but everyone, was saying that if employment stats looked good around election time he had a chance. He should have known. Instead he appointed Geithner and Summers, 2 asses that don’t give a shit if Obama succeeds or not, as long as they have a job when they leave the administration.

[...] Told ya so…you stupid Obama Pod douchebag idiots – Sanders: S.S. to be cut. [...]

Obama: worst Democratic President EVAH!

Obama: worst Democratic President EVAH!

Obama: worst Democratic President EVAH!

He is a Republican. He has not appointed any Democrats. Daly donated to McCain’s campaign, and he appointed him. How stupid is he? The only Democrat was Van Jones and we know what happened to him. The Cat Food Commission, 14 Republicans, 4 Delmocrats. Geithner and Summers, both Republicans.

He is a Republican. He has not appointed any Democrats. Daly donated to McCain’s campaign, and he appointed him. How stupid is he? The only Democrat was Van Jones and we know what happened to him. The Cat Food Commission, 14 Republicans, 4 Delmocrats. Geithner and Summers, both Republicans.

He is a Republican. He has not appointed any Democrats. Daly donated to McCain’s campaign, and he appointed him. How stupid is he? The only Democrat was Van Jones and we know what happened to him. The Cat Food Commission, 14 Republicans, 4 Delmocrats. Geithner and Summers, both Republicans.

And if he does, he will guarantee that he will be a one term president. He’s already on pretty thin ice with most of his supporters.

And if he does, he will guarantee that he will be a one term president. He’s already on pretty thin ice with most of his supporters.

And if he does, he will guarantee that he will be a one term president. He’s already on pretty thin ice with most of his supporters.

Tunisia.

Tunisia.

Tunisia.

He’ll cut social security but wont arrest glenn beck ?

He’ll cut social security but wont arrest glenn beck ?

I thought the moon base thing was only a rumor. WOW! Does it run on Opium too?

I thought the moon base thing was only a rumor. WOW! Does it run on Opium too?

Sorry if it’s offensive…BUT it is quite disturbing that gov’t wants to steal what isn’t theirs and they will get away with it or cover it up!
Again…didn’t mean to offend, but I am ANGRY!

Sorry if it’s offensive…BUT it is quite disturbing that gov’t wants to steal what isn’t theirs and they will get away with it or cover it up!
Again…didn’t mean to offend, but I am ANGRY!

Ya know I have made some big mistakes in my years but I have to say among the worst was voting for Obama. He is a good man but he defiantly is establishing a record of lacking strength of leadership and commitment.

Ya know I have made some big mistakes in my years but I have to say among the worst was voting for Obama. He is a good man but he defiantly is establishing a record of lacking strength of leadership and commitment.

Better not cut my check! I need my money! First Thurs. nite of the month is AARP Nite at the Nasty Kitty! Next month is “Wet Supphose Nite”! Two for one Metamucal coctails! I worked 45 years for this!!!

Better not cut my check! I need my money! First Thurs. nite of the month is AARP Nite at the Nasty Kitty! Next month is “Wet Supphose Nite”! Two for one Metamucal coctails! I worked 45 years for this!!!

I thought I read that 1.3 million were projected to lose their homes this year. Obama is gone. The only reason unemployment went down was that 250,000 unemployed were no longer counted. He already spent the money on corporations. He won’t get any more.

I thought I read that 1.3 million were projected to lose their homes this year. Obama is gone. The only reason unemployment went down was that 250,000 unemployed were no longer counted. He already spent the money on corporations. He won’t get any more.

that fucking Manchurian liar will cut it…wait and see. Obama is a much bigger disaster than even W.

that fucking Manchurian liar will cut it…wait and see. Obama is a much bigger disaster than even W.

Better yet…
Try George Bush, et al for War Crimes!

Better yet…
Try George Bush, et al for War Crimes!

Nasty Kitty??? Where is this place? I know of The Wet Kitty. hahahaha..

Nasty Kitty??? Where is this place? I know of The Wet Kitty. hahahaha..

the stealth neocon puppet
extortion & blackmail
Barack Obama

the stealth neocon puppet
extortion & blackmail
Barack Obama

My first vote for Pres. was also for Kennedy so that makes us about the same age. My problem as a middle class working person, Democrat for my entire life is the so called Dems. that have held the job during my lifetime, Clinton and Obama are nothing but DINOS that have sold us a bill of goods.

My first vote for Pres. was also for Kennedy so that makes us about the same age. My problem as a middle class working person, Democrat for my entire life is the so called Dems. that have held the job during my lifetime, Clinton and Obama are nothing but DINOS that have sold us a bill of goods.

[...] Follow this link: Exclusive: Obama may cut Social Security, Sen. Sanders tells Raw [...]

As far as I am concern Obama was NEVER a democrat. The same as the blue dogs and most of the centrist.
Obama talks out of both sides of his mouth.
AND YES I believe we should run a candfidate against him in the 2012 democratic primary election. BS with what the corporate republican democrats say about NOT do this.
They are Pro war , Pro Corporate , wealthy and republicans that ran on the democratic primary ticket backed by so called democrats like Emanuel , Axelrod , Clinton and other democrats which are in charge of the political funds and who they will support.
Obama has not stopped the war, gave money to local banks , small businesses and help the forecloses on middle class homes.
Obama DID NOT support a public option or single payer option in the health bill
Obama told us one story when running for office and excuted another on competition for the health & drug companies & the Bush tax cuts (even put extra goodies in ) 2 percent of Americans.
Obama must have planned all along to cut Social Security because he loaded the committed with the personal which he wanted to do it.
Obama has too many behind closed door meetings with Global Corporations & republicans to do their demands to execute their demands.

Obama has been against the progressive and his main base every since he took office.

Just look at what Obama has pushed or hid behind his personal in the White House since he was elected.

Obama looks like a republican Trojan horse to destroy the democratic party , known that the republican would be kicked out in the 2006 and 2008 elections.

When Robert Gibbs called “the professional left” would be “satisfied when we have Canadian healthcare”, and that this is not reality, then what does he consider “reality”?

Is his reality the belief that private commercial enterprise, has so much power over our government and political leaders that a universal public healthcare system is out of the question?

Many polls have indicated a substantial majority of the population, is in favor of universal single payer healthcare.

So…if the people want this type of healthcare system, why can’t we have it?

*****
The Obama Administration is Training Offshore Foreign Workers to Take your Job
http://www.economicpopulist.org/content/obama-administration-training-offshore-foreign-workers-take-your-job

Outsourcing to India Draws Western Lawyers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102×4491527
*****
campaign against warrantless eavesdropping and telecom amnesty is expanding
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2008/06/18/fisa_campaign
******
Obama’s Justice Department Appears to be Participating in a Coverup
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Hissyspit/7957
******
Obama ‘is always ready to serve the interests of the rich and powerful, with no line in the sand’
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Better%20Believe%20It/477

Goldman Donations to Obama Campaign Totaled Nearly $1 Million
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-04-20/goldman-donations-to-obama-campaign-totaled-nearly-1-million.html

Goldman Sachs Will Be Sitting Pretty With Emanuel in the Obama White House
http://washingtonexaminer.com/op-eds/2008/11/goldman-sachs-will-be-sitting-pretty-emanuel-obama-white-house

*****
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Better%20Believe%20It/520

Glenn Greenwald: “Why would the White House possibly do anything other than ignore progressives?”

Where Was The “Professional Left” A Year Ago?
http://movementvision.org/

As far as I am concern Obama was NEVER a democrat. The same as the blue dogs and most of the centrist.
Obama talks out of both sides of his mouth.
AND YES I believe we should run a candfidate against him in the 2012 democratic primary election. BS with what the corporate republican democrats say about NOT do this.
They are Pro war , Pro Corporate , wealthy and republicans that ran on the democratic primary ticket backed by so called democrats like Emanuel , Axelrod , Clinton and other democrats which are in charge of the political funds and who they will support.
Obama has not stopped the war, gave money to local banks , small businesses and help the forecloses on middle class homes.
Obama DID NOT support a public option or single payer option in the health bill
Obama told us one story when running for office and excuted another on competition for the health & drug companies & the Bush tax cuts (even put extra goodies in ) 2 percent of Americans.
Obama must have planned all along to cut Social Security because he loaded the committed with the personal which he wanted to do it.
Obama has too many behind closed door meetings with Global Corporations & republicans to do their demands to execute their demands.

Obama has been against the progressive and his main base every since he took office.

Just look at what Obama has pushed or hid behind his personal in the White House since he was elected.

Obama looks like a republican Trojan horse to destroy the democratic party , known that the republican would be kicked out in the 2006 and 2008 elections.

When Robert Gibbs called “the professional left” would be “satisfied when we have Canadian healthcare”, and that this is not reality, then what does he consider “reality”?

Is his reality the belief that private commercial enterprise, has so much power over our government and political leaders that a universal public healthcare system is out of the question?

Many polls have indicated a substantial majority of the population, is in favor of universal single payer healthcare.

So…if the people want this type of healthcare system, why can’t we have it?

*****
The Obama Administration is Training Offshore Foreign Workers to Take your Job
http://www.economicpopulist.org/content/obama-administration-training-offshore-foreign-workers-take-your-job

Outsourcing to India Draws Western Lawyers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102×4491527
*****
campaign against warrantless eavesdropping and telecom amnesty is expanding
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2008/06/18/fisa_campaign
******
Obama’s Justice Department Appears to be Participating in a Coverup
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Hissyspit/7957
******
Obama ‘is always ready to serve the interests of the rich and powerful, with no line in the sand’
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Better%20Believe%20It/477

Goldman Donations to Obama Campaign Totaled Nearly $1 Million
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-04-20/goldman-donations-to-obama-campaign-totaled-nearly-1-million.html

Goldman Sachs Will Be Sitting Pretty With Emanuel in the Obama White House
http://washingtonexaminer.com/op-eds/2008/11/goldman-sachs-will-be-sitting-pretty-emanuel-obama-white-house

*****
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Better%20Believe%20It/520

Glenn Greenwald: “Why would the White House possibly do anything other than ignore progressives?”

Where Was The “Professional Left” A Year Ago?
http://movementvision.org/

They’ll cut it for future recipients because if they did that to the Tea baggers, who are almost all getting Social Security, they’d go insane… Well, even more insane than they already are, and that’s saying a lot.

They’ll cut it for future recipients because if they did that to the Tea baggers, who are almost all getting Social Security, they’d go insane… Well, even more insane than they already are, and that’s saying a lot.

Sounds like you work for Obama.

That’s just too bad that people only lived for 5 years after SS was established and now they live up to 20 years. That’s not my problem.

You pretend to know something about SS. Who runs it? WHoops! LOCKHEED MARTIN!
It’s been privatized.

The truth is corporations want that money that people pay into SS. It has nothing to do with alleged insolvency. First they wanted to put it into stocks. Do you remember…so that it would “grow”…maybe they would have invested large parts of it in the real estate market or CDO’s.

C’mon.

Sounds like you work for Obama.

That’s just too bad that people only lived for 5 years after SS was established and now they live up to 20 years. That’s not my problem.

You pretend to know something about SS. Who runs it? WHoops! LOCKHEED MARTIN!
It’s been privatized.

The truth is corporations want that money that people pay into SS. It has nothing to do with alleged insolvency. First they wanted to put it into stocks. Do you remember…so that it would “grow”…maybe they would have invested large parts of it in the real estate market or CDO’s.

C’mon.

nade, i think your haiku would sound better like this:

stealth neocon puppet
extortion blackmail obama
cherry blossom

it’s always best to end with cherry blossom. otherwise, good work!

nade, i think your haiku would sound better like this:

stealth neocon puppet
extortion blackmail obama
cherry blossom

it’s always best to end with cherry blossom. otherwise, good work!

You should retire in Cambodia. A puff of opium in the morning and you’ll be ready to go to work, even through your 90′s. And the women sing beautifully.

You should retire in Cambodia. A puff of opium in the morning and you’ll be ready to go to work, even through your 90′s. And the women sing beautifully.

Keep your hands off my fucking money

Keep your hands off my fucking money

Gee, no wonder latinos are sneaking across our borders…. I wasn’t aware that all they had to do was get here and get disability for not speaking English…..

Other than that BS, I agreed with your post.

Gee, no wonder latinos are sneaking across our borders…. I wasn’t aware that all they had to do was get here and get disability for not speaking English…..

Other than that BS, I agreed with your post.

I think Obama has an excellent chance of being reelected for two reasons:

1). The Republicans will end up fractured and unable to present a real candidate.

2). The American people have a unlimited capacity for stupidity and will interpret everything Obama says as being “sincere” in his interest to “help” people. Like they did last time when he said he would continue the wars and the American people interpreted that as his saying he would bring the troops home.

I think Obama has an excellent chance of being reelected for two reasons:

1). The Republicans will end up fractured and unable to present a real candidate.

2). The American people have a unlimited capacity for stupidity and will interpret everything Obama says as being “sincere” in his interest to “help” people. Like they did last time when he said he would continue the wars and the American people interpreted that as his saying he would bring the troops home.

And in other news, a new op-ed up by Obama suggesting too much regulation is behind the current economic conditions.

In an op-ed published in Tuesday’s Wall Street Journal, the president decries how regulations have sometimes “gotten out of balance, placing unreasonable burdens on business — burdens that have stifled innovation and have had a chilling effect on growth and jobs.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/18/obamas-bogus-explanation-regulation_n_810262.html

And in other news, a new op-ed up by Obama suggesting too much regulation is behind the current economic conditions.

In an op-ed published in Tuesday’s Wall Street Journal, the president decries how regulations have sometimes “gotten out of balance, placing unreasonable burdens on business — burdens that have stifled innovation and have had a chilling effect on growth and jobs.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/18/obamas-bogus-explanation-regulation_n_810262.html

This would be the ultimate betrayal. A Democrat stealing from the poor. And who is going to complain? The old, they very young, disabled. What are they going to do about it? The Republicans would love this! Obama would be their hero forever!

I am thinking of Tunisia right now.

This would be the ultimate betrayal. A Democrat stealing from the poor. And who is going to complain? The old, they very young, disabled. What are they going to do about it? The Republicans would love this! Obama would be their hero forever!

I am thinking of Tunisia right now.

There is a song, Paroles, Paroles, that was popular in Italy and France. It’s a woman (Dalida) singing about how a guy’s words don’t mean anything anymore over top of this guy talking about how much he loves her and how beautiful she is and pleading with her to listen to him. It has occurred to me that this same sort of construct can be made using a recording of Obama’s campaign promises while someone sings about just how much words mean.

There is a song, Paroles, Paroles, that was popular in Italy and France. It’s a woman (Dalida) singing about how a guy’s words don’t mean anything anymore over top of this guy talking about how much he loves her and how beautiful she is and pleading with her to listen to him. It has occurred to me that this same sort of construct can be made using a recording of Obama’s campaign promises while someone sings about just how much words mean.

Well, the fix is in. Payroll tax breaks, help business and takes away from Soc Sec funds on workers backs once again. Mr. President, please before you cause another windfall for the rich. Do we now have a choice between paying our taxes and keeping your house or buy your meds?

Well, the fix is in. Payroll tax breaks, help business and takes away from Soc Sec funds on workers backs once again. Mr. President, please before you cause another windfall for the rich. Do we now have a choice between paying our taxes and keeping your house or buy your meds?

“1). The Republicans will end up fractured and unable to present a real candidate.”

They weren’t fractured the last time, and look what they presented to us.

“1). The Republicans will end up fractured and unable to present a real candidate.”

They weren’t fractured the last time, and look what they presented to us.

“1). The Republicans will end up fractured and unable to present a real candidate.”

They weren’t fractured the last time, and look what they presented to us.

“1). The Republicans will end up fractured and unable to present a real candidate.”

They weren’t fractured the last time, and look what they presented to us.

We know what we are not for,,, and they’re trying to do exactly that. So, maybe what we should be for, is taking off the cap on social security and taxing all income, including investments, with no ceiling on amount. Let Warren Buffet and the Koch brothers pay for a few seniors that they helped make unemployed, and all the rest of their buddies.

We know what we are not for,,, and they’re trying to do exactly that. So, maybe what we should be for, is taking off the cap on social security and taxing all income, including investments, with no ceiling on amount. Let Warren Buffet and the Koch brothers pay for a few seniors that they helped make unemployed, and all the rest of their buddies.

Gotta ease up on blaming Obama and Democrats for this. The Republicans are threatening to default the country. THEY want to gut social security..it is their idea…THEY should own it, not Obama. They are subverting democracy by taking hostages, and the democrats’ biggest failure in this is that they are negotiating with these thugs. Bernie should do less complaining and more RUNNING for 2012. We need his voice in the debate if we expect to ever get back on message.

Gotta ease up on blaming Obama and Democrats for this. The Republicans are threatening to default the country. THEY want to gut social security..it is their idea…THEY should own it, not Obama. They are subverting democracy by taking hostages, and the democrats’ biggest failure in this is that they are negotiating with these thugs. Bernie should do less complaining and more RUNNING for 2012. We need his voice in the debate if we expect to ever get back on message.

At the rate, Obama will be the second best President the republicans have ever had

Two peas in the same hegemon pod.

Dismantling the most important legacy of the New Deal? Well, well, well. President Obama is revealing more each day how different he is in reality compared to the image he projected during the campaign. If he and his advisors are giving serious consideration to cutting Social Security, which by law cannot and does not add to the deficit, that alone is sufficient reason to oppose his renomination.

Democrats need to find somebody they can rally around for 2012 election. I won’t vote for Obama again even if Palin is the Republican candidate. Let’s find someone NOW that we can all agree on instead of splitting the vote…we’ve reached the point where there are far too many Dems who wouldn’t piss on Obama even if he were on fire.

DIRTY MOUTH…

on what grounds can he arrest beck?

I always said that the reason the bankers, wall st, and the GOP elected Obama was to dismantle Social Security. Nary a Dem will stand up for us and the Social Security system. It is time to let the White House know that we will vote for a republican before we allow a Democratic President to destroy Soc Sec. No Way, Nobama!

This is your fault. Yes, you. That liberal who keeps voting for Republicans disguised as lefties.

When will you learn?

What’s that definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

your memroy of background is wanting

Not your problem? but it is..smell the coffee

did you put on your shoes:? have you opened the door? what now, now that you are on the streets?

good to have you lefties with us

fact: the use of :”may” is a scare piece of business. Science says things like this too:
aspirin may cure all forms of cancer. On the other hand, it MAY not…we do not know.
this too: we have no evidence so far that it even proposed.!

you two make a cute couple

I wonder why Obama is starting to throw the election so early.

If you’re serious about replacing Obama and creating a new, independent progressive political movement in this country, then get serious about starting a new party.

right…Europe needs you…unemployment, loss of social benefits, economic mess in Spain, Portugal, Greece…go forth and enjoy

The payroll tax reduction never sat well with me, and I too am fearful it will be nearly impossible to undo. I will have to remind all the Obama toadies in a year who thought he was pulling something over on the GOP with his “compromise”: the only ones who were hoodwinked was THEM.

right. if the report comes out of Russian, a bastion of truth and good guys, then it must be so and the nut who splattered all those shots was rational, worked for the govt., was very sane.

It’s called the Green Party if you are at all progressive minded. No, they won’t win in 2012. But if enough Democrats defect as a statement, the party will sit up and take notice. As will the Republicans. Pull out a sizeable enough chunk of votes and suddenly everyone will be vying for them. Right now the Dems are like a spoiled child that has always recieved whatever it asked for; it takes the base’s votes and $ for granted. This must end if things are to change

note to donald: you can not impeach a president because Donald wants him impeached. there has to be specific charges, and suggesting a change that gets approved (if it does) by congress hardly warrants an impeachment.

[...] an exclusive interview with Raw Story, Sanders said, “I have to tell you, I have been on the phone to the very, very, very highest [...]

Bernie is extremely popular here in VT. In 2006 he won all but three towns in the state including the most right wing county.

poor lefties know not what to do, what to think! they are wrong but once again.

Yes. but he is mine! and we are dating.

Obama has already lost the working class, gays and lesbians, and women. If he touches Social Security, he will lose seniors and then he will be unceremoniously booted out of the white house.

why blame the neocons? it is the Dems, in the senate and lots in House and the pres that will screw you out of your freebies…shifting blame a typical lefty game..

the older folks got their money…they are ok. it is you young ones who are screwed. start working and saving your money instead of buying good beer, by cheap shit.

answer: you don’t. keep typing. it will make you feel a bit better.

I know what a tuning pitch is. I know a baseball pitch. I know pitch black. what is a pitch fork?

Tell me, does this even sound remotely like the person we voted into office?

“The president [...] acknowledged the cost of regulation and said that sometimes “rules have gotten out of balance, placing unreasonable burdens on business—burdens that have stifled innovation and have had a chilling effect on growth and jobs.
[...]
For close to a year, the White House has been asking leading business groups in the capital to identify regulations they believe are obstacles to job-creating private investment. But these efforts are being dwarfed by complaints about the administration’s unfriendly rhetoric toward the financial industry and large corporations, and regulations stemming from its legislative agenda.”

We’ve been set up, and conned and we fell for it because the alternative was worse. Now Industry and the Executive are working hand in hand to dismantle everything that benefits the middle and lower classes.

You are Right! did you vote for McCain or not vote to show your wisdom?

let me see your bingo card !

Heavens! Some Socialist/Communist this guy’s turned out to be. Can’t wait to hear the speech that accompanies the cut.

If it is not under your mattress it is not yours. it belongs either to a bank or to the govt…sorry.

damn. i’ll have to wait it out then. : (

You really bought into that whole, “Democrats vs. Republicans” thing, didn’t you? Newsflash: While their methods of getting and remaining in power differ, the members of both parties answer to the same masters.

ok. IK am now awake. what should we do next? take nap?

“May Cut”?

Saunders, I like you but you are pushing it.

“…those folks who depend on social programs (like the elderly and the disabled) vote like a motherfucker.”

So, if you are one of those described, and a Democrat just made cuts to your dependencies, who would you vote for? What if a Democrat just privatized it? Who would you vote for? And why would Democrats in Congress and the WH slit their own throats like that?

why not sell Texas to Mexiqan drug lords and that will save social security!

He was the poster child for the final phase of the corporate takeover. They hand-picked him and groomed him well. They should be very, very proud of themselves.

Um, this is actually working quite well for them and their benefactors, I’d say. Offer up someone so odious that anyone not buying into it will vote for the opponent who turns out to surpass Shrub in many respects. Almost like it was planned, & if it wasn’t planned surely they’ll have learned from it and use the tactic next time to cement Obama into his second term.

Time for the boomers to take their Soc Sec and get the fuck out, head for the exit before they take what’s left and leave us high and dry. Let them take a body shot on the way out the door with their bullshit scanners. Time to go live where social security will provide a decent retirement or new life in a cheaper country that welcomes Americans. Reverse immigration. Take the places those who are coming are leaving.

His re-election may not be his highest priority. I would suggest that enforcing the will of his owners is his highest priority. Elections occur to make us think we have a choice.

So how does cutting Social Security work?
Do we each get a lump sum equal to the total of the social security portions withheld in our paychecks since we started working? What effect will that have on the “very scary” deficit, especially since it would be compounded with the huge tax giveaway that’s just been handed over to the stinkingest rich?
Our social funds are safer where they are. Leave them alone.

With his “payroll” tax “holiday,” Obama has made Social Security PART of the federal budget where it can be trimmed and cut and slashed to ribbons.,

That was NOT a Republican proposal but an Obama proposal. No one made Obama propose it; it was his peace offering to the Republicans.

The Republicans are now starting to think Obama is the best thing that ever happened to them because when he (Obama) cuts Democratic programs, the Congressional Democrats are silent. If John McCain had proposed what Obama did, the Congressional Democrats and Democrats everywhere would have pounced on McCain and he never would have gotten away with it.

With his “payroll” tax “holiday,” Obama has made Social Security PART of the federal budget where it can be trimmed and cut and slashed to ribbons.,

That was NOT a Republican proposal but an Obama proposal. No one made Obama propose it; it was his peace offering to the Republicans.

The Republicans are now starting to think Obama is the best thing that ever happened to them because when he (Obama) cuts Democratic programs, the Congressional Democrats are silent. If John McCain had proposed what Obama did, the Congressional Democrats and Democrats everywhere would have pounced on McCain and he never would have gotten away with it.

Obama sees President Clinton as his advisor. Clinton moved towards the right in order to pass legislation. Obama is becoming a center-right democrat right before our eyes. His socialistic campaign rhetoric is a far cry from his plutocratic policies of today.

Every little bit counts. Typing does help to clarify thoughts and distill realities about human nature and their contrivances. I enjoyed the process and decided to establish a space to share my thoughts. Come by if you have a chance.
http://disintermedia8.wordpress.com/

Trust me, you will NEVER “get a lump sum equal to the total of the social security portions withheld in our paychecks since we started working”

The rich want OUR money and are about to get it.

That answer will resonate with a larger and larger group. But there is a better way. Instead of fighting a system that has clearly established the conditions of self perpetuity, we might try and building a better way.
http://disintermedia8.wordpress.com/

You are forgetting that their are two aspects to budget balancing–namely, expenses (like SS) and revenues (like taxes.) Both were on the table in ’08 and ’10 (although one could argue that the Senate by not voting to let the Bush tax cuts expire BEFORE the ’10 election, the signal was set that only expenses were the target.)

Could the Wikileaks Swiss bank account information on our and other countries elected leaders and other high profile business’ and people, change the equation of expenses only legislation cuts (austerity is what’s happening around the globe kids?) Herein lies where hope and change may actually come to pass in the world.

Good article – It’s funny that Senator Obama voted to the left of Sanders (when he voted at all), the only admitted socialist in the senate.

Nonetheless, enough of the myth that money might be “diverted away from Social Security.” ALL of the money has been diverted away from Social Security. The day those taxes arrive — twelve to fifteen percent of the total incomes of Americans (up to the ~100k limit) goes right back out the door as government expenditures. All SS future recipients get is an IOU stuck in a bureaucrat’s desk drawer in West Virginia.

Social Security recipients were recently told by the government that there was no inflation last year. What a laugh – close to eight percent, and that’s on the low side, say the economists, who notice bottles getting smaller (but not the price of the contents), gas and enrgy and food going higher (even at Wal Mart) — Social Security is a scam invented by pols who spent it all and died rich and happy. Not necessarily like the rest of us. And our kids will get zilch.

Don’t fall for the false meme, folks. Social Security is a contract with the workers of America. It’s not welfare, it’s not being “on the dole”. It’s something that each of us have paid into from the time we had our first job. You and I have each given up a nice chunk of our paycheck since our mid teens as a contract with the US Government to provide for us when we can no longer be productive. Social Security is not insolvent and it is not actually available to cure the deficit unless we let them pilfer it. Consider this: The money taken from your Social Security return-on-investment may very well go to bail out yet another investment bank or fund another volley of purchases from the military-industrials. In other words, they are simply going to be taking money taken from the middle class over decades and give it to the top 2% in a matter of a couple of years. It’s your money; it came from your paycheck and was promised to be returned to you.

It’s not tIhe dems, it is the Neocons, they are wolves in sheeps clothing. Both Clintons are Neocons.

All politicians …….Leave your hands off SOCIAL SECURITY…….Why don’t all of you consider stopping these very expensive STUPID WARS ,,”that only the Pentagon wants”,,and stay the hell away from Social Security…………………………………….Charles and Judy Belenchia

A factual analysis, and true, although I think you go too easy on the Ponzi-copycats who designed it. But well-stated, and with alarming predictions that are unavoidable.

My two cents: they will never have the guts to balance the budget. They will keep printing money, and the Chinese will raise the Yuan while we hyperinflate. SS hikes (when they come at all) will be paltry compared to the rise in prices and other inflation (savings will be worthless, etc.), and the old and poor will suffer unduly. Alas.

lilburne6 -
I know we’ll never see our earned money (withheld as social security) again. This is just one more instance of transferring public money into private hands – bald plundering of the treasury,

So, does Obama want to weaken Social Security or not?

Wow, work all of your fucking life for slave wages eaten up by inflation then when you are too old to work, they get rid of Social Security so you can die in the streets like in the good old days when the Robber Barons ruled America.

Wow, work all of your fucking life for slave wages eaten up by inflation then when you are too old to work, they get rid of Social Security so you can die in the streets like in the good old days when the Robber Barons ruled America.

Enter a massive effort to use Diebold voting machines should such a mass recall effort ensue (yes, think rigged.) BTW–BofA uses Diebold ATMs at their branches (and the state of CA banks exclusively with BofA.)

Enter a massive effort to use Diebold voting machines should such a mass recall effort ensue (yes, think rigged.) BTW–BofA uses Diebold ATMs at their branches (and the state of CA banks exclusively with BofA.)

Yo gypski – #1) I’ve paid for 40 years into Social Security. My family has been here for 340 years, which is probably alot longer that you and yours. So we go when I say. Not because some jackhole that can’t add and subtract gets confused by Social Security. #2) Social Security is FINE, it’s solvent, politicians like to fuck with every one and yell and scream about it.
Nice Marine badge there – to bad you don’t live up to it. When the testosterone wears off, maybe you will be able to make a salient argument.
So those people who have given a life time of work, don’t deserve a safety net – just throw them into the desert? How Spartan of you. That’s NOT a compliment.

Just what doesn’t the Establishment (made up of both parties) get about the consequences of screwing the American people? If they think the TP was a political whirlwind, just wait.

Primary President Obama in ’12!

I guess that remains to be seen.

Obma started his administration on the right of center.
As soon as Obama had received our votes and elected into office,,,, he started talking as a republican and no longer as a Should have known that Obama was a republican and not a democrat when he started saying Reagan was his hero..
Obama took up the same path as the Bush/Cheney/republicans of spying on Americans , increasing the military spending and war , transferring our wealth and power to these GlobamaEmpires while cutting our public programs to feed them our money.

Oh, and I forgot to mention — impeach the president for obstruction of justice for his refusal to investigate and prosecute the war crimes and crimes against humanity of the Bush/Cheney administration, in contravention of his oath of office to uphold the Constitution and law of the land.

It is a rightwing deception that the Social Security trust fund holds nothing but a bunch of worthless I.O.U.s.

The Social Security funds — the funds in excess of what is needed to pay out benefits each month — are held in U.S. Treasury Bonds, Bills and Notes.

U.S. Treasury Bonds, Bills and Notes are the safest and most respected investment vehicles in the world; they are widely held by pension funds, university trust funds, investment houses and governments all over the world. The United States will never refuse to honor those Treasury bonds, bills and notes — because to do so would be almost the end of the world, financially speaking.

Cutting Social Security is political suicide.
Obama is not stupid.
Doing that would be monumentally stupid.

I think it is far more likely that Obama is laying a clever trap for the Repubs to hang themselves with if I may be excused for mixing my metaphors.

glad to see that ‘socialist’ obama is not standing behind the greatest social program ever implemented in america…

If we don’t cut Social Security the real victims will be the most wealthy?
Well not really, but how else are we gonna pay for more tax cuts for the wealthy if we don’t just screw over everyone else?
We’ve gotta somehow pay for those big tax cuts for the wealthy and more bailouts of greedy bankers and Wall Street thieves. It would just be awful if one of those chumps might have to sell one of their vacation homes! Maybe one of the yachts? Poor fellas!!

Maybe Obama has some extra sand to kick in our face? Nice.

Why would Defense want to cut their budget? When you can blow up a building or a person, say an Arab did it, and get a $200B+ budget increase — where is the possible motivation to stop doing that. It is much too profitable and far too easy to pull off on the United States of Amnesia.

Socialist???? Nothing this clown president has done is socialistic. None of the bills he has signed can be considered reform either. Stop repeating that teabaggar shit. Try looking for the truth!
He’s a F”N fascist!

Obama seems to be the only one who ever gets stuck in any traps.

He either is : (1) not smart, or (2) a conniving liar.

He promised to protect Social Security but it was HIS idea to have this “one-year” “payroll” tax “holiday,” which was all the foot in the door the Republicans ever needed to get their hands on Social Security — so they could destroy it.

It is almost unbelievable that it is a Democratic president (Obama) who will help the Republicans destroy the most successful, most popular, most efficient, least scandal-prone social program in history.

My prediction: He’ll start by raising the age to 69 (& by “he” I mean the president won’t work against Congress doing so. In fact, in the interest of “bipartisan cooperation” he’ll suggest the idea). Sounds clean and simple, right? Just a tiny little change, really. A raising of a threshold that moves a line on a graph a little bit and moves a big chunk of spending from one set of recipients to another. Almost an abstraction, really.

Now consider all those individual human citizens. You know, the ones that have worked jobs like construction, manufacturing, hotel/hospitality, janitorial, warehouses…anything that requires more physical labor than just sitting at a desk. We’re talking millions of people and they are the American Infrastructure. We could lose thousands of investment managers in a day and the country would just keep on going without pause. But if the people that move pallets, flip mattresses, vacuum floors, move hospital equipment, wash toilets unpack boxes and crates were removed you would see and feel the difference in a matter of a days, perhaps hours. Those people are the backbone of our counrty and they are the ones that most need Social Security when we’ve worn out their bodies and they are no longer able to provide what we need. They can’t just decide to “keep working” until 67, or 69 years old. Their bodies are worn out long before we are willing to return the money they’ve been lending us since they first started working.

Hellooooo? Has anyone noticed that the entire story is that Bernie Sanders called the White House and asked for someone to tell him what the plan was and they wouldn’t, so he has drawn his own conclusions and has decided Obama’s planning to gut Social Security? Wouldn’t it be helpful to hear what Obama actually SAYS as opposed to uttering primary threats and prattling about what a terrible DINO President he is? This entire Chicken Little article is based on the hysterical mumblings of an old guy with trust issues. Let Obama at least say his piece before you attack him.

“The White House did not return requests for comment”

The only thing the White House is turning is its back on the American people who are passively taking one beating after another.
When is enough, enough?

We are now 49th in the world for life expectancy. People aren’t living
longer. Making people work longer keeps them from starting their own
businesses and keeps younger people unemployed. Extending Social Security
two years is not a good idea.

And that sand would be from the BP oil drenched gulf coast of course!

And that sand would be from the still BP oil drenched gulf coast of course!

Obama has said his “piece;”
What is needed is action and backbone. We saw the “healthcare reform” go down the drain so the rich can get richer and the wars can continue for “generations”.
It is evident that is is urgent to wait so Wall St can get its claws into Social Security.

It’s time to “Take It To The Streets” just like what was done with the civil rights movement and the anti-war movement. It’s time to give our country back to the people.

You did see that the WH has no comment – yes? That kind of says it for you does it not? They could have said something reassuring right? They did it for those killed in AZ – this seems pretty big to me – maybe they could just say – Hey No Worries Man!

Dude, relax. I’m pretty sure it was sarcasm, as “socialist” was in quotes.

FYI–Per the Dylan Ratigan Show (1/17–”Forbes Gady Epstein” segment,) China owns only 7.5% of US debt (in treasuries.) (Also, China has been unwinding their US debt position for awhile now.) Two-thirds of US debt is owned by banking institutions, individuals, pension funds, public entities, corporations, and investment entities–all predominantly here the US. The remainder one-third (33.3%) is predominantly foreign-owned debt (7.5% Chinese mentioned above, and 25.8% other foreign-national institutions, individuals, etc.)

So, what if NONE of the US parties mentioned (pension funds, banking institutions, public entities, etc) WANT or CAN purchase more treasuries for whatever their reasons (unfunded liabilities of their own, risk of default assessed too high, less risky returns elsewhere, etc?) And, thusly the other parties (China and foreigns) assess the same problems with purchasing more treasuries?

We either look at the expenses side of the equation (hit the poor and middle classes,) or we look to revenues (hit the rich) to make up for the shortfall. The poor and the middle classes are 98% of the population of this country. The rich are 2% of the population of this country, whose wealth has been exponentially rising since the 80s, and own over half of US total wealth. The 98% population has seen their wealth stagnate and/or decline, owning the other half of total US wealth.

Another fun fact: if the rich in the world legally paid their taxes to their sovereignties, rather than using tax shelters, of which one-third of the world’s wealth is illegally sheltered from taxes in tax-sheltering nations, ALL of the national debts of the entire world would be paid and eliminated! (See The Dylan Ratigan Show 1/17–”Former Swiss Banker Gives Wikileaks Documents segment.) Debt problems solved, and in continuum, no hunger, clean water for everyone, no death by solvable illnesses, etc. Oh, and war is so over.

Yeah, and what makes you think that what Obama might say would be in any way indicative of what Obama will do?

Where have you been for the past two years?

Like Nixon going to China, eh? That fucking son of a bitch couldn’t get elected dog catcher anywhere but Orange County if he pulls this shit. I’m gonna organize a sick-in in Lafayette Park – exercise my constitutional right to vomit when something makes me sick. Anyone join me? We can use Peyote (or ipecac for you of the squeamish persuasion) in case you have trouble “getting it up”

Huh. They really want this country to be as scenic as the streets of Calcutta.

Everyone needs to quit listening to the talking heads and understand WHY the government is so adamant about cutting Social Security. Don’t buy into their propaganda!

The government has borrowed over two trillion dollars from the Social Security fund. Social Security is essentially empty and the government pays interest on what they borrowed every year. The real reason that they want to cut benefits is because now that all of it is in worthless government bonds the Gov. essentially has to use current revenue it receives to pay everyone and it is a direct drain on the US Treasury.

What it boils down to is that the government is attempting to cut what they have to pay every year – and they are essentially attempting to destroy Social Security so they won’t have to pay back Two point Two Trillion Dollars it owes – plus interest. We’ve already been had and they are attempting to “spin” what the real situation actually is and hide their real intentions from “we the people” whom are being robbed again.

Hope a Dope

He suckered us in with Hope and Change then punched us with a right.

If you still have hope you’re a dope.

still better than a torturing, war supporting, estate tax cutting, union busting, spying on Americans John McCain, who would not have been restrained as Obama is by liberal roots

Means testing, no tax cap. Problem solved.

o grow up

the ‘theyre both the same’ copout is tiresome

it’s just your excuse to pretend to be ‘above it all’

lets hope.
I’m not so sure you’re right.

“The Immorality of Public Safety Nets” http://www.forbes.com/2011/01/14/public-safety-nets-capitalism-opinions-contributors-wendy-milling.html?partner=commentary_newsletter

You misunderstand I would have used MORE expletives …..

Um, he started a couple days after he snagged the Democratic Party nomination for in the primaries. Part of what did it for him rather than Clinton was his strong stance against FISA. Three days later he did an about face and voted for it.

No kidding, regarding the amazing way that Obama has screwed over every group that fought, hard, to get him in office. White, middle class seniors were one of the few groups he had left alone, till now. Yeah, social security traditionally affects a whole lot of other people, but let’s not forget that the middle class donation machine (the recipients with a voice) lost it’s 401k. (insert frog-boiling water analogy here). I’m almost convinced that Obama’s actual plan is to bleed the Democratic Party dry by alienating it’s supporters. What a coup that would be, eh?

The Republicans will run someone truly repugnant. The Tea Party will somehow do what no other third party has been able to do and that is magically run a candidate at the national level. With that sort of scary theater, Obama will get in for a second term.

Remember, it’s not actually democracy; it’s kabuki!

Yeah, now that I look at the screen name, I’m realizing that you may be right.

I pay 1.5% every year to some fool to administer my retirement account. I pay more to this fool than I will in taxes when I retire.

Its a scam. They want you to pay fees. If you are poor you don’t get the same returns the wealthy do. You pay higher fees.

It’s all designed to rob you and Barack Obama is party to it.

Means testing is a bad idea, because the rich will just hire batteries of lawyers to “prove” they make “no” money at all — and the rest of us will be treated like WELFARE recipients, which we are not.

Social Security is NOT a welfare program; it is more akin to an annuity program. We paid into it all our lives and must be allowed to collect on our “annuity” when we are old. The administrative costs to run Social Security are UNDER ONE PERCENT. If the Social security trustees had to run an IRS-like investigation to see who is rich and who is not, those administrative costs would skyrocket and eat up any savings that might accrue from not paying benefits to even the rich seniors.

If Social Security were turned into a program for The Needy it would be very easy to de-fund it and/or kill it.

As it is now, everyone pays in and everyone gets benefits.

Leave Social Security as the old-age insurance program it was designed to be.

It is NOT broke, nor is it going broke.

Hands off Social Security.

Why change horses in mid stream?
Let the opposition woue us a bit, before they start the same-o, same-o.
Let someone who really wants the “big prize”, come out and say he/she is different from all the rest. After all, again and again, if you vote Republican without them even starting to LIE, then when elected they will say you gave them a MAN-DATE to do what they wanted, and they will have NO PITY with all the ABUSE they will give you. And on Inaguration Day while the new “Mister Right” is being sworn in, you will be just sitting somewhere with Bukkaku all over your face.

That is pure right-wing hooey.

Your right…we would have been better off with John McCain. He would have united us all having every American standing out side his or her door with our arm in the air like a Bob’s Bigboy statue shouting “get off my lawn!”

I understand why your not worried though. I mean the rapture comes in May and you will be caught up in the air bare ass headed for Geeezus with your bud’s. So your rides almost here and you’ll be fine. Good for you. But just in case you get “passed over”, because your not sincere enough…wait that’s the Great pumpkin…well if you miss the rapture I’ll be shooting video so we can all watch millions of assholes disappear…again…and again…and again.
..

well, that would surely make him even less popular than bush…

Those bonds are meant to be surrendered in order to allow Social Security to make future payments to retirees. What would happen to the government’s liability, if the program were cut, then cut again, and finally abolished?

Lower payouts, then no payouts, and the bonds would not have to be surrendered to make (lower, then non-existent) SS payments.

Could they be surrendered for any other reason? (I suspect they cannot.) If not, then the government would be required neither to honor them nor to default. The best of both worlds – except, of course, for would-be SS recipients.

While Social Security is technically separate from the US budget proper, the fact that SS funds are held in the form of US treasury bonds makes it a part of US debt, doesn’t it? If it does, then wouldn’t ending the program relieve the government of its obligation to honor them, thus “magically” negating a huge part of the debt?

Isn’t this what we were warned about years ago?

Anybody out there well-read on this topic? Can you either confirm or correct this?

Yes, I believe you have got it surrounded.

If Obama didn’t like the “death panels” concept why would he do this? It doesn’t make sense. Sanders is just scoring political points, which is probably a wise move but Obama wouldn’t do this.

Lets be realistic, the moment anyone tries to touch Social Security the thought of death panels and healthcare reform will enter the minds of seniors.

Get our SS Trust Fund OUT of the general fund.

But how? Look at our fascist politicians in our Republic… how do we manage a a Democratic Socialist government without it inevitably falling to corruption? Why build off a failed model? I am down with Demo. Socialism in theory, but I have no idea how it would actually work.

Obama never performed on the major issues.

People stayed home so the republicans won.

This is vindication of the mind set that tanked the economy, got into endless war, sanctioned torture and domestic spying?

There is no hope of change. Bush and Cheney should be in the docket as war criminals.

The people who own this country give us a phony reality show they call elections.

I doubt he would do the worst until he suckers people into giving him a second term – because he “didn’t have enough time” to put his entire agenda into place.

If Obama does ANYTHING that amounts to decreasing SS, he will be a one term President, without any doubt.

Yes, this is exactly who you voted for. Were you too busy being speechified to take a careful look at his entire record?

And until we START the snowball down the hill how will we know? If we settle for the staus quo, what does that do?

You want to know what the government plans to do for any major social, business, or ethical issue? Watch the rise in ‘news stories’ that start mentioning such items as ‘social security cuts’ over the last four years.

That is how you know what the major push is for. It is telegraphed to the public through hundreds of ‘news outlets’ in the previous years. As Americans come to ignore the repeated stories (too many) and other news becomes more important (shootings), the govnerment quietly begins the effort to dismantle or push for such results.

Simple, really. ‘Internet neutrality’, anyone? Or the destruction thereof.

They have this ALL WRONG. They do need to cut that tax, along with many others – and not raise them back up. In regards to Social Security – I don’t hear anyone – politicians, talking heads, and most everyone here, saying one word about all the raids that previous administrations made on Social Security, and left IOU’s in the lockbox. Clinton did it – how do you think he showed a surplus at the end of his term? Bush #2 did it – how do you think he paid for his wars? So – what happened to those IOU’s and when are they going to be paid back into the “lockbox”?

Nobody seems to get it – they need to adhere to the LAW and not raid the damn lockbox to begin with. Then we wouldnt be having this discussion about how is it going to be paid for, what taxes need to be cut…etc.

Damn criminals always get away scott-free and the American people’s attention span is about the length of the next sound bite coming off of FOX or MSNBC. Pathetic.

In Diebold he trusts

Why would that make him less popular than Bush – when Bush stole so much out of the SS fund to pay for his wars.

more bullshit…..
and more bullshit.

let obama tell us. instead of hearing someone else’s spin & spew……

Isn’t it a long way from Prague to Lafayette Park?

‎”And now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your f*cking retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street. And you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q

The constitution does not have any specific provisions protecting your right to vomit when something makes you sick. You should consider having an amendment drawn up. I have a feeling you would find huge support for it in all 50 states.

In one word: NO

Agreed. Consider the source: Forbes.

I seriously doubt Obama will stand tough against the call by the republicans to slash SS. He folded on his campaign promise to end the bush tax cuts to the rich. He turned his back on the poorest in the country by raising their taxes so the richest 2% could continue with the tax breaks. Why would he feel compelled to honor his campaign promises regarding SS? I no longer trust Obama. He is carrying on the bush’s policies. I know he doesn’t represent the poorest people who will depend on SS. He represents the rich and apparently the republican party.

If the United States defaulted on its Treasury Bonds, Bill,s or Notes, the financial world would go nuts because U.S. Treasury Bonds, Bills and Notes are held worldwide and relied upon — even by many foreign governments.

There would be chaos, and no financial entity would ever buy any more U.S. Treasury Bonds, Bills or Notes. Our government, at that point, would go out of existence.

There ya go…..dgenzle2001 got it right on the head – a friend to the corporate voter…

yeah – about like that clever trap he laid on them over health care reform. I remember watching those repugs chewing through their feet to get out of it too…what a site.

One of Obama’s campaign promises was to let the bush’s tax cuts for the rich sunset. He broke that promise without hesitation.

Wow – what Koolaid you been drinking? Bathwater from Dick Cheney’s boots?

It would be worth the trip!

“But there’s no lack of historical comparison to a hundred years ago. It’s so similar; the only real difference is that corporate power is even more extended. It’s the Gilded Age on steroids.”—Russ Feingold, in an interview with The Nation

http://www.thenation.com/article/157719/russ-feingold-speaks-out?page=0,0

He will get around to fucking every baby boomer that work 30 plus years…and paid SS taxes for 30 years…out of our retirement money.
I guess what part of “screw the old people” don’t seniors understand?

What about the right to pursue hippiness?

I seem to remember this same sort of little change starting riots over in France when they raised their retirement age by just a little bit. If I was told, at the age of 20, that I could retire at 65, and expect social security, and, by the time I get to 50, I am now told I have to put in 4 more years to get full benefits? You can bet – I would be pissed. In fact – I am 49, and guess what? I AM PISSED

oh…being disabled myself and failrly close to retirement age, i can say “a cut back” on ss will cause serious consequences by way of massive upheaval across our nation.

He IS a one term president…

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I retired early because I saw this coming. Half of my retirement income at this time comes from Social Security. I started working in 1961 and retired last year.And now those DC idiots want to take part of it back.Don’t think so,I’ll go down fighting on this one!

old people have plenty of money tied up in their homes, they should be means tested for social security and have upside down mortgages if neccessary

He will not commit to do this before the 2012 election.

I believe you missed the points of my comment. Nowhere did I suggest default – quite the opposite.

Social Security money goes directly to middle-class families and communities. It is no different a debt-obligation then any other federal expense, except that it was doubled under Reagan and it’s trust fund “allowed” to be borrowed against.

…and what Republican would you like to see in his place? I agree Obama isn’t doing the peoples work, but, then, who is?

Oh really???? My family helped establish the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, and my great-great grandmother was Lenape Indian. So, I guess my family was here first. Have a nice day. As a matter of fact, my family associated with the Founding Fathers and fought in the Revolution, not take deferments. Up yours with your fake solvency. Its like all the other lies we’re are told daily. Ponzi fucking government.

Means testing for Social Security would lead to the program becoming a welfare handout, and at that point would be easy to kill.

Please read what I wrote on this topic below.

Sorry if I missed your point. Maybe others did as well, so could you please re-state and simplify what you meant to say? Thanks.

Again – hippiness is not specifically protected under the constitution – unless you consider it a sexual persuasion,..lol I know I would….rock on!

I heard Bernie Sanders told a friend of mine that a chicken was going to fly out of his ass.

that is because a chicken was about to fly out of your friend’s ass. bernie sanders tells it like it is. unlike some presidents I voted for.

Yeah, “Rumor Mill News” gives it a real stamp of journalistic credibility, doesn’t it?
And “Paranormal Research” really legitimized the article.
Where’s the Amazing Karnac when we need him?

Obama revealed his hostility to Social Security the moment he appointed two people with long hatreds of Social Security to co-chair his deficit commission.

When that committee could not get the required number of votes to enable the entire House to review their report and recommendations, Obama invited the two Social Security haters to the White House to tell him what they hoped to do to Social Security.

It has been widely reported (not just here) that Obama plans to talk about “reforming” Social Security in his SOTU speech.

There is NO need to “reform” Social Security. If any fix is needed, just raise the cap on the amount of income taxable for Social Security purposes. Social Security is SOLVENT, has generated a SURPLUS of more that $2 Trillion and was on track to generating a surplus of $4 Trillion dollars — until Obama handed Social Security over to the Republicans as his peace offering.

Yeah, yeah, and he’s gonna audit the Fed, and there’s gonna be big trouble.

Tomorrow!

Instead of raising the FICA tax on the rich, Obama apparently plans to push for raising the retirement age on the hard-working elderly.

Obama never worked a hard day in his life so is unacquainted with the problems older people have doing strenuous physical labor.

It’s easy to be an ancient senator whose aides carry you into the senate chamber to vote or make a speech; it is also possible to be president without needing to do any physical labor — so Obama basically doesn’t give a fig about those who do have to.

All Obama cares about now, or forever, is his own hide and his re-election.

I think Obama is the biggest October surprise this country has ever seen…

He seems to think that HE was elected to be a Republican in the last election…

it is clear that he has decided to be a one term President and he has already decided to implement the GOP plans already – cuts to SS and deregulation are only his first steps

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The shame of it is, no one on MSNBC (liberal as they are) are talking about this. The minute they announced the reduction in social security taxes I knew social security was in trouble. The sad part is, there is a portion of this country’s middle class (FOX viewers) who actually think we SHOULD cut social security. They’re convinced they can do better investing on their own. Ha!

The shame of it is, no one on MSNBC (liberal as they are) are talking about this. The minute they announced the reduction in social security taxes I knew social security was in trouble. The sad part is, there is a portion of this country’s middle class (FOX viewers) who actually think we SHOULD cut social security. They’re convinced they can do better investing on their own. Ha!

What is it going to take for you realize that we live in a corporate communist state, run by foreign companies, oh I guess Walmart is a person after all. Grow up? Wake up.

What is it going to take for you realize that we live in a corporate communist state, run by foreign companies, oh I guess Walmart is a person after all. Grow up? Wake up.

Is this comment satire? If not you might want to re-think your solution here a bit. FYI homes aren’t worth what they once were.Those “old people”got reamed losing interest income in their life savings that they scrimpt and saved for years- to ensure their independence in their old age. And another thing,”old people” are YOU in the future.

Is this comment satire? If not you might want to re-think your solution here a bit. FYI homes aren’t worth what they once were.Those “old people”got reamed losing interest income in their life savings that they scrimpt and saved for years- to ensure their independence in their old age. And another thing,”old people” are YOU in the future.

Social Security’s surplus was/is invested in US bonds.

The administrators of the fund are to redeem the bonds as/when required to make SS payments.

My question: Can the bonds ever be used for any other purpose? (I believe not.)

IF SS were dismantled, what would become of the bonds? IF they cannot be redeemed for any purpose other than to make payments to SS recipients, and there were no more recipients, how could they even be presented for redemption?

Think of it this way: I give you a loan, and you give me a promissory note with a due date (very much like a bond: a promise to pay, when the IOU/bond becomes due). Before it comes due, I die – with no heirs, and no estate. Who would you repay? (Granted, this not a direct parallel, but it’s as close as I can get.)

You would not be defaulting on your debt. Rather, you would be absolved of the debt by virtue of there being no one existing to whom you owed the money.

So do you see my question? If the holder of the bonds no longer exists, and the purpose of their use no longer exists, who would be empowered to present them for redemption? If they are not presented for redemption, there would be no need for the treasury to come up with the money. (Just as in my example: no one ever presents you with your IOU on its due date.) No payment – yet no default.

Social Security’s surplus was/is invested in US bonds.

The administrators of the fund are to redeem the bonds as/when required to make SS payments.

My question: Can the bonds ever be used for any other purpose? (I believe not.)

IF SS were dismantled, what would become of the bonds? IF they cannot be redeemed for any purpose other than to make payments to SS recipients, and there were no more recipients, how could they even be presented for redemption?

Think of it this way: I give you a loan, and you give me a promissory note with a due date (very much like a bond: a promise to pay, when the IOU/bond becomes due). Before it comes due, I die – with no heirs, and no estate. Who would you repay? (Granted, this not a direct parallel, but it’s as close as I can get.)

You would not be defaulting on your debt. Rather, you would be absolved of the debt by virtue of there being no one existing to whom you owed the money.

So do you see my question? If the holder of the bonds no longer exists, and the purpose of their use no longer exists, who would be empowered to present them for redemption? If they are not presented for redemption, there would be no need for the treasury to come up with the money. (Just as in my example: no one ever presents you with your IOU on its due date.) No payment – yet no default.

Is this comment satire? FYI Carol-houses are not worth what they once were. Not only have the elderly gotten reamed from falling home values-they have also seen their retirement CD,s go from 5% interest to 0% meaning all those years they went without to save for their “old age” brings them nothing in return. And you think an upside down mortgage is the answer?

Yeah- let’s just let the financial criminals have more opportunity to find ways to steal more peoples homes.

Is this comment satire? FYI Carol-houses are not worth what they once were. Not only have the elderly gotten reamed from falling home values-they have also seen their retirement CD,s go from 5% interest to 0% meaning all those years they went without to save for their “old age” brings them nothing in return. And you think an upside down mortgage is the answer?

Yeah- let’s just let the financial criminals have more opportunity to find ways to steal more peoples homes.

I was all for ya until I read your BS on the Jews. What do you suggest that we do with the Christians on Wall Street? What utter crap!

I was all for ya until I read your BS on the Jews. What do you suggest that we do with the Christians on Wall Street? What utter crap!

Good point, as if the criminal Republican party could EVER be trusted to look out for the middle income folks. The Republican thieves represent themselves and the corporations. That is all.

Good point, as if the criminal Republican party could EVER be trusted to look out for the middle income folks. The Republican thieves represent themselves and the corporations. That is all.

Read the comments on this ranting-they say it all.

Read the comments on this ranting-they say it all.

Yup sucker punched in the gut-is how I feel everytime I hear the man speak.

Yup sucker punched in the gut-is how I feel everytime I hear the man speak.

First they will cut at you, while still pulling every corrupt dollar they can from underneath and behind you to fund some existential threat 8,000 miles away…..then they will cut at your community….then your state…inch by inch the industrialists are hacking away at the American worker….at the American Dream…taking every last bit for themselves, parking it overseas in bullion, before they run away and leave you holding the great balloon that was….haut air.

First they will cut at you, while still pulling every corrupt dollar they can from underneath and behind you to fund some existential threat 8,000 miles away…..then they will cut at your community….then your state…inch by inch the industrialists are hacking away at the American worker….at the American Dream…taking every last bit for themselves, parking it overseas in bullion, before they run away and leave you holding the great balloon that was….haut air.

Goodby, this UNAMERICAN FUCKING COUNTRY, our President has become an UNCLE TOM,ONLY IN THIS CASE, HE AIN’T GONNA GET BEAT TO DEATH PROTECTING SOCIAL SECURITY FROM OWNER’S FROM RETHUG-LILAND…. UNCLE GORE,WHERE ARE YOU WHEN WE NEED YOU??? WE GOT US ANOTHER BENEDICT ARNOLD IMPERSONATOR WHO LOOKS AND ACTS LIKE GEORGE BUSH, ONLY, IN THIS CASE, HE TELLS “BLACK LIES”, WHICH IS COMMON IN THIS MODEL………THE .BANNANA CLIP OF LIARS.

Goodby, this UNAMERICAN FUCKING COUNTRY, our President has become an UNCLE TOM,ONLY IN THIS CASE, HE AIN’T GONNA GET BEAT TO DEATH PROTECTING SOCIAL SECURITY FROM OWNER’S FROM RETHUG-LILAND…. UNCLE GORE,WHERE ARE YOU WHEN WE NEED YOU??? WE GOT US ANOTHER BENEDICT ARNOLD IMPERSONATOR WHO LOOKS AND ACTS LIKE GEORGE BUSH, ONLY, IN THIS CASE, HE TELLS “BLACK LIES”, WHICH IS COMMON IN THIS MODEL………THE .BANNANA CLIP OF LIARS.

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I agree, however, on the face of it, AIG, Goldman, Lehman, Bear, all run by AIPAC jews…there is a great sin being committed upon mankind right now and it is driven by fundamentalist ideologies such as Zionism, Evangelicalism, and radical Islamification of the poor of North Africa. Only the latter can actually be discussed or debated….the former will get you expatriated, ostracized, excommunicated……by the very fascists that push the whole lot down your cerebral throat.

I also think it to be somewhat intellectually dishonest not to look at control of US media, polls, entertainment, art, and finance in general. The Koch Bros are no different…

yes, but bush’s lunacy differs in that it didn’t reduce benefits.
simple fact is that in 2013 the US willno longer even be able to afford
to pay the interest on the $14.7trillion in national debt or the $7trln
other govt and state loans/debt. and bush doubled it from thelowest debt
since carter and then borrowed first $1 trillion and then $3 trillion
more from his good buddies in the CCCP of the PRC, ironically making
china the leading creditor of american capitalism… while somewhwere,
marx howls with laughter.

when IMF this year replaces the dolllar as the standard currency of the
world… all hell will break loose. this economy will go into tailspin
when the fed can no longer print air-money and the creditors coe calling
only to find worthless paper and start seizing assets? business will
implode as never in US history.

we’ll never see the healthcare reforms due in 2014 and forget about
social security and medicare in later years. buy gold and run for the
hills. this latrine is about to explode.

It’s called politics….and holding cards close to the vest whilst the madmen squawk on TV.

citizens of good faith need to find a canditate to run against barak obama in the democratic primaries. i have been involved in the democratic party, and i despise repuplicans,but there is no way that i will vote for barak obama, no matter what.

Run them out too!!! Run ‘em all out!!! Shut it down and stop the wars and occupations!!! (See, we can also be equal-opportunity anti-wall-street torch wielding villagers to any culture-religion-sect-secret-society-groups-etc too. You have to look at the true gist of the sentiment expressed. It’s about anti-war and poverty elimination. Period.)

Yes but I’m tired of the show-it only plays re-runs. Time to turn the channel.

Perhaps there are some progressive adjustments that could be made to Social Security for the truly wealthy, but anybody who has been paying attention to the fraudulent corporate lackey named Barack Obama realizes he fully intends to go after Social Security in his typically above it all, con job, passive aggressive duplicitous style. The Republicans are fully in the loop and plan to give Obama the political cover to get it done.

Yes- no comment as the White House turns it’s back and walks away leaving the American people to stand out in the cold. “Sorry folks-nothing I can do-I’ve got bigger fish to take care of now.”

Are you crazy? Or just very very young!!! I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Apparently you have no understanding of pensions, retirement funds, social security and the average person. Do some research before you open your mouth on subjects you know nothing about.

“An old guy with TRUST ISSUES!” If you don’t have trust issues by now you must be hopeless. Recently heard Obama reassure us that he won’t allow social security to be raised to 70- to many trusting souls this sounds good-problem is-they want to raise it to 69.He flat out tried to manipulate his answer. Three strikes.

“An old guy with TRUST ISSUES!” If you don’t have trust issues by now you must be hopeless. Recently heard Obama reassure us that he won’t allow social security to be raised to 70- to many trusting souls this sounds good-problem is-they want to raise it to 69.He flat out tried to manipulate his answer. Three strikes.

“Social Security money goes directly to middle-class families and communities.”

That’s the silliest assumption I ever heard of! Please, expand on what you stated and provide substantiation that proves your allegation.

Reagan began “borrowing” from Social Security and it has become common practice for others to do the same.

“Social Security money goes directly to middle-class families and communities.”

That’s the silliest assumption I ever heard of! Please, expand on what you stated and provide substantiation that proves your allegation.

Reagan began “borrowing” from Social Security and it has become common practice for others to do the same.

I’ve been waiting for that “clever trap” theory to come to be- too. Have been sadly disapointed every time it doesn’t happen.Now I see it as just my own denial that Obama is the president that “never was.”

I’ve been waiting for that “clever trap” theory to come to be- too. Have been sadly disapointed every time it doesn’t happen.Now I see it as just my own denial that Obama is the president that “never was.”

Ditto

Ditto

Political suicide to tamper with Social Security to appease the right wing.

Political suicide to tamper with Social Security to appease the right wing.

I can look out my window as I write and see billions of wasted dollars.

Ironically one of them is named the USS Ronald Reagan.

I can look out my window as I write and see billions of wasted dollars.

Ironically one of them is named the USS Ronald Reagan.

We really must PRIMARY OBAMA !!!!!!

We really must PRIMARY OBAMA !!!!!!

I prefer “Financial-Military-Industrial Complex”

I prefer “Financial-Military-Industrial Complex”

Yes-and 200 dairy cows dropped dead in Wisconsin too to add to the mysterious happenings on planet America.

Yes-and 200 dairy cows dropped dead in Wisconsin too to add to the mysterious happenings on planet America.

Jakrabt
I sincerely hope that we never reach the tipping point. But hunger, and desperation have traditionally shown themselves to be motivators. When you look at your neighbor and see that he and his family are in the same shape, then yes I think people will overcome their apathy and complacency.

I do not know of any diversion on television that will make a hungry gut go away. I don’t know of any Gossip magazine, television show or celebrity worship that will feed and cure a sick and hungry child. All the Paris Hiltons and other famous people are a lot less interesting when you are fighting to survive.

I do know that in tough times knowing your neighbors becomes more important than knowing the final score of a sporting event.

So, Yes, I believe we’ve got it in us when we are pushed to far…
But again I hope we don’t reach that point because it will not be pretty.

Jakrabt
I sincerely hope that we never reach the tipping point. But hunger, and desperation have traditionally shown themselves to be motivators. When you look at your neighbor and see that he and his family are in the same shape, then yes I think people will overcome their apathy and complacency.

I do not know of any diversion on television that will make a hungry gut go away. I don’t know of any Gossip magazine, television show or celebrity worship that will feed and cure a sick and hungry child. All the Paris Hiltons and other famous people are a lot less interesting when you are fighting to survive.

I do know that in tough times knowing your neighbors becomes more important than knowing the final score of a sporting event.

So, Yes, I believe we’ve got it in us when we are pushed to far…
But again I hope we don’t reach that point because it will not be pretty.

How intellectual, did you stay up late thinking that through?

How intellectual, did you stay up late thinking that through?

Thanks for the clarification. Now I see your point and your question.

The government will not let Social Security go completely out of existence but the program COULD be whittled down until it is a fragment of its current status. It could be turned into a welfare program for the desperately poor, who will always be among us; so those bonds will be redeemed one day by someone on behalf of someone.

Thanks for the clarification. Now I see your point and your question.

The government will not let Social Security go completely out of existence but the program COULD be whittled down until it is a fragment of its current status. It could be turned into a welfare program for the desperately poor, who will always be among us; so those bonds will be redeemed one day by someone on behalf of someone.

Wall Street has wet dreams hoping a traitor will give them access to the Social Security Trust Fund.

Wall Street has wet dreams hoping a traitor will give them access to the Social Security Trust Fund.

Obama should switch Party’s. Other elected Politicians have done that in the Past.
Obama is the most Cruel Hoax ever Deployed on the American Population. I cant think of anything in world History that compares to the way we were deceived by Obama.
We thought he was our Savior…but to our Horror, it is obvious , he is just as evil as Bush!!!

Obama should switch Party’s. Other elected Politicians have done that in the Past.
Obama is the most Cruel Hoax ever Deployed on the American Population. I cant think of anything in world History that compares to the way we were deceived by Obama.
We thought he was our Savior…but to our Horror, it is obvious , he is just as evil as Bush!!!

I agree.

We must recruit Democrats, no matter how unlikely they are to be winners, to challenge Obama in the primaries. Then, the really stronger Democratic candidates will feel safe in challenging Obama for the nomination.

I don’t think Obama is even a Democrat, but since he registered as one, he will make a fight for the nomination.

We who are unhappy with Obama as president can make a fight for the nomination a priority

I agree.

We must recruit Democrats, no matter how unlikely they are to be winners, to challenge Obama in the primaries. Then, the really stronger Democratic candidates will feel safe in challenging Obama for the nomination.

I don’t think Obama is even a Democrat, but since he registered as one, he will make a fight for the nomination.

We who are unhappy with Obama as president can make a fight for the nomination a priority

“We can’t give you back the money you paid in to social security, sorry bout that. Oh yeah, we need more of your money for socialized medicine now. It will be great, medical care for everyone, trust us!”

“We can’t give you back the money you paid in to social security, sorry bout that. Oh yeah, we need more of your money for socialized medicine now. It will be great, medical care for everyone, trust us!”

Grandma is Upside Down on her Mortgage. Then they take away her Social Security. Then they take away her Medicare.
Then we find Grandma, Homeless, laying Dead ,Outside in the freezing cold, in some Makeshift Shelter, made out of Cardboard, Her dead Fingers clutching unto an old Photo of her Deceased Husband.
The Wealthy Elitist’s still have a For Sale sign on her Home.Because of the Fact that the unemployment rate has increased to 45%, It a Buyers Market.

Grandma is Upside Down on her Mortgage. Then they take away her Social Security. Then they take away her Medicare.
Then we find Grandma, Homeless, laying Dead ,Outside in the freezing cold, in some Makeshift Shelter, made out of Cardboard, Her dead Fingers clutching unto an old Photo of her Deceased Husband.
The Wealthy Elitist’s still have a For Sale sign on her Home.Because of the Fact that the unemployment rate has increased to 45%, It a Buyers Market.

They deleted that message so the Thought Police are on your side Jason.

They deleted that message so the Thought Police are on your side Jason.

You do realize that Americans will be forced to pay the very same health care corporations ‘taxes’ (health insurance premiums) directly to those corporations who used a cost-benefit analysis to determine whether or not to provide health-care to seriously ill Americans (corporate death panels)? Don’t you? How is that ‘socialized medicine? That is corporate cronyism by government tools.

Judging by your comment, you like that system.

Now imagine a health care system where everyone is guaranteed, that you can see any doctor you need to, and that only pays for necessary health care. Imagine that health care corporations provide health insurance for what government does not cover… like unnecessary plastic boob enhancements.

Imagine that American manufacturing becomes more competitive because they no longer have the burden of skyrocketing health insurance premiums to pay for. Or, that American manufacturers no longer find it necessary to drop health insurance for their workers, altogether in order to remain competitive. Or, as many have done, ship the factories overseas.

Or,do you support them in doing so?

Hey, it is just ‘socialized medicine’. You know, The Soviet Union is alive and well to scare the anit-Commies in America, still. Now, isn’t it? Of course, The Soviet Union is dead. How come many people still resurrect ‘The Red Menace’ to vote against themselves and America’s economic well being all the while unknowingly serving as corporate tools.

The Red Menace, alive and well. In America’s imagination.

You do realize that Americans will be forced to pay the very same health care corporations ‘taxes’ (health insurance premiums) directly to those corporations who used a cost-benefit analysis to determine whether or not to provide health-care to seriously ill Americans (corporate death panels)? Don’t you? How is that ‘socialized medicine? That is corporate cronyism by government tools.

Judging by your comment, you like that system.

Now imagine a health care system where everyone is guaranteed, that you can see any doctor you need to, and that only pays for necessary health care. Imagine that health care corporations provide health insurance for what government does not cover… like unnecessary plastic boob enhancements.

Imagine that American manufacturing becomes more competitive because they no longer have the burden of skyrocketing health insurance premiums to pay for. Or, that American manufacturers no longer find it necessary to drop health insurance for their workers, altogether in order to remain competitive. Or, as many have done, ship the factories overseas.

Or,do you support them in doing so?

Hey, it is just ‘socialized medicine’. You know, The Soviet Union is alive and well to scare the anit-Commies in America, still. Now, isn’t it? Of course, The Soviet Union is dead. How come many people still resurrect ‘The Red Menace’ to vote against themselves and America’s economic well being all the while unknowingly serving as corporate tools.

The Red Menace, alive and well. In America’s imagination.

Heresy. But my kind of heresy.

Heresy. But my kind of heresy.

And he will be well paid. An Ad-Street created President for an Ad-Street populace.

And he will be well paid. An Ad-Street created President for an Ad-Street populace.

ah, the smell of ‘bipartisanshit’ …

to nip this thing in the bud, the choir has to start singing “Worse than Bush” …

ah, the smell of ‘bipartisanshit’ …

to nip this thing in the bud, the choir has to start singing “Worse than Bush” …

Much like how he revealed himself to be the corporate toad he really is when he appointed his Wall Street masters to chair his ‘economic advisory’ council.

Much like how he revealed himself to be the corporate toad he really is when he appointed his Wall Street masters to chair his ‘economic advisory’ council.

You are 100% correct, and that report about SS being 2.6 trillion in the black and won’t run out till 2037 is complete BS. The only reason it seems that way is because the 2.6 trillion in the account is just promises/bonds and nothing more. So they say that these promises/bonds are just as good as money which they aren’t. But they still need to pay money into those checks that go out every month and that is taking a bigger and bigger chunk of the budget (which it wouldn’t if it had actual 2.6 trillion in those accounts). Obama is being taken for a major ride, because the republicans want him to cut SS and then blame him when he does it.

You are 100% correct, and that report about SS being 2.6 trillion in the black and won’t run out till 2037 is complete BS. The only reason it seems that way is because the 2.6 trillion in the account is just promises/bonds and nothing more. So they say that these promises/bonds are just as good as money which they aren’t. But they still need to pay money into those checks that go out every month and that is taking a bigger and bigger chunk of the budget (which it wouldn’t if it had actual 2.6 trillion in those accounts). Obama is being taken for a major ride, because the republicans want him to cut SS and then blame him when he does it.

Obama keep a campaign promise? Ha! Obama is a Republican Corporatist. Always has been; always will be. Does anyone really believe this “Nobel laureate” will reduce Defense spending? Ha! So what’s our choice in 2012? There’s only one party. The grieving has begun. Let’s hope we don’t get stuck in the anger phase.

Obama keep a campaign promise? Ha! Obama is a Republican Corporatist. Always has been; always will be. Does anyone really believe this “Nobel laureate” will reduce Defense spending? Ha! So what’s our choice in 2012? There’s only one party. The grieving has begun. Let’s hope we don’t get stuck in the anger phase.

Single Payer!!!

Single Payer!!!

OK…Roughly 6 hours ago I posted a comment and received replies. One in particular:

ron1127 [Moderator] 6 hours ago in reply to Bruce M.McLaughlin
Gee, no wonder latinos are sneaking across our borders…. I wasn’t aware that all they had to do was get here and get disability for not speaking English.
….

Other than that BS, I agreed with your post.

Granted…there is nothing that I could find in LAW to Justify that particular comment.
This was a comment that a few people had mentioned to me, I ASSumed they were telling the truth…apparently not.

HOWEVER, this may appear interesting to all of you:
(Now this first one IS FOX, but it is interesting, nonetheless)

http://www.thedisabilitydigest.com/blog/36/social-security-benefits-paid-to-illegal-immigrants/

OK…now the following goes into “Language Barrier” and how illegal immigrants have to rely on a Welfare style system to raise their kids and survive due to lack of education, low skill sets, etc.:

http://www.examiner.com/politics-in-portland/taxes-and-social-security-paid-by-illegal-immigrant-households

So, with just these two links, it shows that regardless of the reason, Illegal Immigrants are draining the system dry, that YOU AND I WORKED OUR ASSES OFF TO PAY INTO!!!
So, in theoretically, my statement is “PARTIALLY CORRECT”. It’s not like I said that Illegals walk in and specifically state that “theya no espeek englis” and WHAMO they are considered as Disabled by SSDI.

Again, I can’t state it enough…

If the corrupt politicians want to fuck over the American Worker by robbing from the system or giving it to these Illegals till it runs dry, for their GD votes…
Then there’s going to be HELL TO PAY! It isn’t going to be pretty either!

Like another poster mentioned “Taking it to the Streets”, well, she’s only partially correct.

If Gov’t and corporations keep following this destructive path, by ignoring the public and shafting us on a daily basis, we are going to see a depression and then suffer a massive economic collapse.

Don’t take my word for it…you’re seeing corruption in the gov’t, infighting between both parties like a group of school kids, and in the meantime we ARE FAILING as a World power while China is booming and Corporations are laughing all the way to the bank using Cheaper Chinese Labor!

If you read the news from around the country and the world, you will see that we are heading in that route.
Ask yourselves WHY is the Stock Market not crashing with all this grim news? Profits from higher costs, cheaper labor, and slimlined American companies doing business within our borders. Yet, this lying gov’t keeps harping on how good the economy is doing?!

Can someone PLEASE take the hoods off these jackasses, so that they can see for themselves?!

Social Security is theoretically the LEAST of our problems at this time. Fixing it can be voted on in a day if these jerkoffs can agree on anything.
#1)
CUT OFF ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS THAT DO NOT POSSESS A BONA FIDE SOCIAL SECURITY CARD ISSUED BY THE SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION!

#2)
REPEAL THE GRANDFATHER CLAUSE THAT STATES THAT “ALL CHILDREN BORN IN THIS COUNTRY BY AN ILLEGAL ALIEN ‘IS NOT AUTOMATICALLY A U.S. CITIZEN.’”

Think of the savings that we would have if the government acts on this EXPEDITIOUSLY?
Think of your Medical Bills not skyrocketing due to Illegals seeking healthcare and not paying?
Think of the message sent to other Illegal Aliens thinking of crossing the Rio Grande when they aren’t entitled to any more American “Freebies” at OUR expense?
Think of the relief to Border Patrol when only a few hundred trickle in as opposed to Thousands?
Heavily fine American employers that hire undocumented workers…PERIOD!

This is probably a floater from the Obama Administration. But I wouldn’t trust his Chief of Staff and all the other Wall Street boys.

I don’t think he was every honest with us. All the yelling the Republicans did over health care reform was just to label Obama as a socialist. LOL! Socialist my ass. Now that they control the House, their reneging on their promise to rescind it. Why? Because it’s there kind of plan and they’ve been shitting the voters. Like you said: a “fraudulent corporate lackey.”

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_AUVCvA_xLDs/TTYjvaJJp4I/AAAAAAAAEgI/AJgeC4c1D6M/King%20and%20Obama.jpg

He tried to tie together in one premise the Social Security we pay for individually (along with our employer, or for your employee, whatever the case may be), to a completely different issue, a National Health Care plan with a completely different approach.

That approach should be, in it’s best form, a plan to have all the largest insurance corporations bid on a proposal to cover all Americans 100%. The industry standard for most efficient and frugal coverage is the largest pool of insured possible…so the entire country’s population is the ideal. No wonder dimwits oppose it….

Which would then provide all the benefits you so clearly laid before his ignorant backside.

I am not so sure we won’t soon have paid propagandists staffed by Ron Susstein flooding the boards hawking Obama’s cuts. Watch and see…and they will never mention DOD being the largest pig at the table…..they just WANT OUR CASH.

THEY CAN’T HAVE IT. IT IS OURS. I will personally make it my life’s mission to end Simpson’s (and anyone voting for his filth)Congressional benefits if they touch my FICA or change my benefits AFTER the fact.

READ THAT WELL House, READ THAT WELL Senate. Think we can’t come after YOU??? If dumbbell Teapartiers can….wait until you piss of the ones smarter than you. With the LARGEST VOTING BLOCK.

Who the hell does Obama think he is? Who the hell does Alan Simpson think he is? WHO THE HELL DOES PETE PETERSON THINK HE IS???

YOU AIN’T TOUCHING OUR FICA OBAMABOY. WATCH AND SEE.

George Carlin Was Right they’re coming for your Social Security money .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q

Dennis Kucinichs’ monetary legislation is simply brilliant-read it everyone.You REALLY want change-this is it.This legislation is (in my mind) the only thing that can save America and take away the power of the Federal Reserve and big banks-bring employment on infrastructure by creating a new currency in which only congress can dispense. It would end the bubble machine created by money manipulation-and fooling with the interest rates.All the “debt” we have is based on interest-which isn’t money today-but invisible money not yet created so is essentially “worth” nothing. He explains it perfectly.

I have the audacity to hope that Obama will be defeated in the 2012 primaries. If he is, he will undoubted go to work as a lobbyist for Wall Street special interests.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_AUVCvA_xLDs/TTYjvaJJp4I/AAAAAAAAEgI/AJgeC4c1D6M/King%20and%20Obama.jpg

“Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid.”

President Dwight D. Eisenhower, l952—–

I’m sure Obama will try. I’ve never seen someone so committed to being a one term President for all the wrong reasons. By the time he’s finished, even the die hard Obama worshippers are going to turn on him. It’s the end for the Democrats. They stand for nothing and represent nothing.

I’ll try to put it in simpler terms without getting into to much political ideology: Government take money, government make countries go boom, government bail out banks, banks don’t pass credit on to little guy, government make promise, government lie, GOVERNMENT WANT MORE MONEY, DO YOU SEE A PATTERN?

bama is going to screw us again.

Only a Democrat could get away with it if at all.

Only a Democrat could get away with it if at all.

of course that worthless cocksucker will sell us out again! but im sure the military cuts will be minimal, how fucking american of him!

of course that worthless cocksucker will sell us out again! but im sure the military cuts will be minimal, how fucking american of him!

If some one said “close your eyes” and punched you in the face, how many times would you have to get punched before you stopped closing your eyes?

If some one said “close your eyes” and punched you in the face, how many times would you have to get punched before you stopped closing your eyes?

Obama is the biggest disaster in Presidential history. He could have made a real difference and instead he turns out to be a Reagan conservative.

I didn’t vote Dem in 2010 because of him and I sure as hell won’t in2012. I’ll vote Green.

Obama is the biggest disaster in Presidential history. He could have made a real difference and instead he turns out to be a Reagan conservative.

I didn’t vote Dem in 2010 because of him and I sure as hell won’t in2012. I’ll vote Green.

Obama is the biggest disaster in Presidential history. He could have made a real difference and instead he turns out to be a Reagan conservative.

I didn’t vote Dem in 2010 because of him and I sure as hell won’t in2012. I’ll vote Green.

Obama is the biggest disaster in Presidential history. He could have made a real difference and instead he turns out to be a Reagan conservative.

I didn’t vote Dem in 2010 because of him and I sure as hell won’t in2012. I’ll vote Green.

Next time we should elect an actual Democrat, one who won’t go back on all their campaign promises, especially the promises that made us like the candidate in the first place

Next time we should elect an actual Democrat, one who won’t go back on all their campaign promises, especially the promises that made us like the candidate in the first place

Next time we should elect an actual Democrat, one who won’t go back on all their campaign promises, especially the promises that made us like the candidate in the first place

Next time we should elect an actual Democrat, one who won’t go back on all their campaign promises, especially the promises that made us like the candidate in the first place

We already have a welfare system, (such as it is).

Means testing, if that’s what you are suggesting, would be one step – perhaps two – before utter dissolution.

At any rate, far fewer – and much lower – payouts. And those bonds…?

We already have a welfare system, (such as it is).

Means testing, if that’s what you are suggesting, would be one step – perhaps two – before utter dissolution.

At any rate, far fewer – and much lower – payouts. And those bonds…?

We already have a welfare system, (such as it is).

Means testing, if that’s what you are suggesting, would be one step – perhaps two – before utter dissolution.

At any rate, far fewer – and much lower – payouts. And those bonds…?

We already have a welfare system, (such as it is).

Means testing, if that’s what you are suggesting, would be one step – perhaps two – before utter dissolution.

At any rate, far fewer – and much lower – payouts. And those bonds…?

We already have a welfare system, (such as it is).

Means testing, if that’s what you are suggesting, would be one step – perhaps two – before utter dissolution.

At any rate, far fewer – and much lower – payouts. And those bonds…?

RON…SEE my more recent post above, but in the meantime read this:
(BTW…Like your shirt!)

http://www.examiner.com/politics-in-portland/taxes-and-social-security-paid-by-illegal-immigrant-households

Where it states: “Illegal immigrant families are reported as typically poor due to many reasons which include language barriers, lack of completed education, low skill set, and size of families and are compensate by way of social services.”

Continue reading on Examiner.com: Taxes and social security paid by illegal immigrant households – Portland Politics | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/politics-in-portland/taxes-and-social-security-paid-by-illegal-immigrant-households#ixzz1BRARyelP

Oh…OK Fuckin A! hahaha

Don’t get your pants all tightened up into a wad. Relax. Everything is just hunky-dory. Just follow the example of Paul Allen. Just start your own software company and displace tens of thousands of workers and YOU rake in what used to be their paychecks. In 2009 he paid the maximum Social Security tax of $6,621.60. By the way, check out one of his yachts; the Octopus. It has two helicopters, two submarines and countless boats built into the yacht.. One of the submarines can sleep eight people for two weeks underwater. Check it out:
http://www.yacht-sea.net/mega-yacht-profiles/octopus.html

Obama has broken every single campaign promise to the progressives. He loves war, he loves Guantanamo, he loves to say one thing and then do the opposite…just like Bush. http://republicconstitution.blogspot.com/

How could a republican be any worse? Really, at least then people like you would know you are getting fucked and do something about it.

Kahtyf…

Hear’s the ACTUAL complaint as per your Docket #:

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:VKAYzFTCtDAJ:https://www.glocktalk.com/forums/attachment.php%3Fattachmentid%3D210742%26d%3D1294642183+Saturn+Aura+XE+2007,+VIN+1G8ZS57N97F136757&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjQKbDNC4Cdp1IUzqKlG-i4meSyFwZxQMh-lSSu9xs3O6JDj9K0ach5m14cuUEoorD7yh3preYecMff5_gSrMoxqIscmp8kQGpDHE8BvT2KnnGYzunnAOII3sQTdm12n8zs8Pzv&sig=AHIEtbTimXim337l-hUiJmmJ82_4eDBphA

If he cuts S.S. He has lost my VOTE!

You are embarrassing your avatar, ericroded.

This guy- Obama- is a hideous anti-hero in so many ways as to be almost too obvious. Does he remember or care who elected him? And why? He is not- as I see it- even close to running the show- all this BS about his Princeton cronies being so smart and being great advisors might as well have the U Chicago neocons back- at least- unless I’m naive again- they believed in their positions- I doubt v ery much if this guy gives ‘position’ a second thought!

The Trojan Horse is stomping and bucking! snort snort chomp chomp

How can we tell a real Democrat from a Corporate monkey? I thought we had one- didn’t you?

His strings go straight to the stringholders of the likes of Bush Cheney- man- did they ever punk us? Well me- When I think of tears running down my face on Election Night- Like we finall