I don’t call anything true or false yet. If we look at our military what is the one thing that they keep advising? Constantly staying wherever we are. The military did not want to leave Iraq. And they’re constantly telling Obama that they must work harder in Afghanistan and that we have to extend for another year. Everyone goes right along with it. The military element in the fact that much of our upper Republican and Democratic Congressman always say that they have to listen to the people with the boots on the ground is taking us deeper and deeper into places where we should not be. I have heard talk of us attacking Yemen. Who is after that? Why do we let the military guide us? That’s like letting our auto mechanic tell us how much we are going to spend. Not should spend, will spend

I don’t call anything true or false yet. If we look at our military what is the one thing that they keep advising? Constantly staying wherever we are. The military did not want to leave Iraq. And they’re constantly telling Obama that they must work harder in Afghanistan and that we have to extend for another year. Everyone goes right along with it. The military element in the fact that much of our upper Republican and Democratic Congressman always say that they have to listen to the people with the boots on the ground is taking us deeper and deeper into places where we should not be. I have heard talk of us attacking Yemen. Who is after that? Why do we let the military guide us? That’s like letting our auto mechanic tell us how much we are going to spend. Not should spend, will spend

We are at a crossroad where if we head in one direction we may be able to save this republic or if we keep heading in the direction we have been on may lead us to the annihilation of America. Our country should not be on a religious crusade that will tear open the world and tear apart our society.

Time will tell which was chosen.

I have little faith that it will be the right one.

We are at a crossroad where if we head in one direction we may be able to save this republic or if we keep heading in the direction we have been on may lead us to the annihilation of America. Our country should not be on a religious crusade that will tear open the world and tear apart our society.

Time will tell which was chosen.

I have little faith that it will be the right one.

Look up “Operation Northwoods” if you want to see how truly perverted the US military is.

Plenty of stuff online about it. All the joint chiefs signed the Northwoods documents. If there was such a thing as justice in america they would have been tried for treason.

Look up “Operation Northwoods” if you want to see how truly perverted the US military is.

Plenty of stuff online about it. All the joint chiefs signed the Northwoods documents. If there was such a thing as justice in america they would have been tried for treason.

Onward Christian soldiers, the American neocon madmen imperial insanity just keeps going.
Crazy fucks!

Onward Christian soldiers, the American neocon madmen imperial insanity just keeps going.
Crazy fucks!

About time someone came out with more of the truth. We are slowing undergoing a coup d’ete and all you have to do is look around you. Open your fucking eyes.

About time someone came out with more of the truth. We are slowing undergoing a coup d’ete and all you have to do is look around you. Open your fucking eyes.

[...] Stephen C. Webster The Raw Story [...]

The MIC calls the shots, anyone that gets in the way ends up like JFK.

The MIC calls the shots, anyone that gets in the way ends up like JFK.

The lunatic far right wingers are getting, albeit slowly, the Christian Fascist theocracy they’ve always wanted.

The lunatic far right wingers are getting, albeit slowly, the Christian Fascist theocracy they’ve always wanted.

Money Quote:

“Just when we needed an angry black man, we didn’t get one”

If it weren’t so painfully accurate in it’s entirety, I’d be laughing my ass off right now.

Knights of Malta or not, these people are Nazis. After WWII, the Vatican sent Nazis to the United States to run our CIA and military. Their organization is still strong, particularly in Naval intelligence. They’re still here.

FTA – Hersh also lamented President Obama’s continuance of the Bush administration’s worst abuses.

“Just when we needed an angry black man, we didn’t get one,” he reportedly said.

Yup. I agree. When Obama takes a hands off approach to the military, he allows this perversion to continue. What are we even doing in Afghanistan? Obama ran as a Progressive, but upon election, slacked off & became a typical spineless Democrat.

Meanwhile Seymour Hersch, giant of investigative journalism, has the spine to poke this very nasty beast, which I’m sure he knows can get you killed.

So they vehemently deny that McChrystal was a member of the Knights of Malta; no denial concerning the even more radical Opus Dei.

I might go and have a wiki at post- crusades Malta.

This is a REALLY informative piece of information.

This is very important, if they are with Opus Dei or Knights of Malta then it explains some things but it also shows you why normal individuals wont move up in that environment.

“A link to Raw Story’s original report was unavailable due to a database malfunction.”

UH HUH!!! Well, if you want to see fat moron Stephen Webster’s erroneous reporting, look no further than his “report” on Glenn Beck’s imaginary threats to Dems published TODAY!!

They’re protecting them from the Muslims [as in] the 13th century.

Eight centuries later … how’s THAT working out?

To be fair, in Glenn’s video he’s saying it more like…you’re going to have to shoot them before they shoot you. Context matters and Glenn is saying, pretty clearly, shoot first.

Well my inquisitive friends…if you would like to learn more about the roots of religion and secret society’s. then you must look up William Cooper and his work. he is a man that was in my view murdered shortley after 911. he predicted 911 months before and even call bin-laden out be name but more importantley his work will take you Way Way back to the roots of the Rome/ the Cathloic church ect…(bill cooper) http://www.hourofthetime.com (his friends still run the site after his death)

There’s nothing like video to prove a point. Say like Beck’s “have to shoot them in the head’ comment. who’s the moron?

You mean the “false” story taken directly from the transcript of Beck’s show posted on Fox’s website?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,594343,00.html

Wow! This is a huge stretch. My uncle is a Knight of Malta. Believe me, there’s nothing sinister about the KofM. And to be clear, I’m as liberal as they come. I like Hersh, but he’s really gettng ridiculous with this one.

Opus Dei?…
The Knights of Malta?…
Am I supposed to take this stuff seriously??
Go buy a good book and stick ya nose init.
Den learn dah difference between what’sreal and what’snot.

Funny thing. Jesus has to ride in through a gate in Jerusalem, that the Muslims have bricked up. They even put a muslim cemetary outside the wall so that Jesus won’t be able to get to the gate. If Jesus can’t get through the gate he can’t become world king.
Yet prophesy tells us that he will. It is in the bible. Don’t you read it?

This might seem stupid to you and me, but this shit is serious to them.
Now ask yourself, how crazy are they?

For sure. I know a high ranking white soldier who said nearly the same thing. He added Obama should be willing to be a one term president and show them what an intelligent, justifiably angry black man is capable of. Of course, like someone said, no doubt he’d be JFK’d.

Well my inquisitive friends…if you would like to learn more about the roots of religion and secret society’s. then you must look up William Cooper and his work. he is a man that was in my view murdered shortley after 911. he predicted 911 months before and even call bin-laden out be name but more importantley his work will take you Way Way back to the roots of the Rome/ the Cathloic church ect…(bill cooper) http://www.hourofthetime.com (his friends still run the site after his death)

If you dare to do the research you will find that there is much truth to these claims. What you will find is that the the story you have been giving is not what “is the case” good luck and be strong inside because your world view will be challanged.

bill cooper will enlighten you

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Oh whistle!
Boys with toys!…. and secret handshakes!

“Just when we needed an angry black man, we didn’t get one,”

That has got to be the best description of the big O I have ever read.

“By god man we’re in a christian nation. Now you may not believe it to be true, and I may not believe it to be true, but by god, it’s a useful hypocrisy.” (apology to “In the Loop” for lifting and twisting the quote)

Apparently the most important qualification for becoming a senior military leader is being a delusional, total nut job!

Speaking at a campus operated by Georgetown University’s School of Foreign Service, Hersh said he was working on a new book that details “how eight or nine neoconservative, radicals if you will, overthrew the American government.”

Lemme see how many of them I can name:

1. Nixon
2. Kissinger
3. Raygun
4. Daddy
5. Rummy
6. Dummy
7. Scummy

Uh, uh…can somebody help me finish the list?

Speaking at a campus operated by Georgetown University’s School of Foreign Service, Hersh said he was working on a new book that details “how eight or nine neoconservative, radicals if you will, overthrew the American government.”

Lemme see how many of them I can name:

1. Nixon
2. Kissinger
3. Raygun
4. Daddy
5. Rummy
6. Dummy
7. Scummy

Uh, uh…can somebody help me finish the list?

Those organizations are real, as were the Knights Templar, which also protected pilgrims on their way to the Holy Land before it was destroyed over allegations of heresy. Although I’m not religious I have come to believe that we are in fact engaged in a religious/cultural battle with Islam and that we may need our own true believers, whether atheist or religious, in order to prevail. Despite the failings of the West it’s foolish to deny that we’ve developed something here that deserves to be preserved and, if necessary, defended from the aims and goals of orthodox Muslim religious and political leaders, which is to spread Islam here until it transmogrifies Western culture into something unrecognizable.

Those organizations are real, as were the Knights Templar, which also protected pilgrims on their way to the Holy Land before it was destroyed over allegations of heresy. Although I’m not religious I have come to believe that we are in fact engaged in a religious/cultural battle with Islam and that we may need our own true believers, whether atheist or religious, in order to prevail. Despite the failings of the West it’s foolish to deny that we’ve developed something here that deserves to be preserved and, if necessary, defended from the aims and goals of orthodox Muslim religious and political leaders, which is to spread Islam here until it transmogrifies Western culture into something unrecognizable.

I don’t care what color he is just that he is angry/energized enough to take on the abuses of the past 30 years.

Of course any credible action would come without great personal risk to him and his family’s which explains why no one else has stepped forward to mount a challenge to the leaders of the Coup!

This has to be a grass roots movement similar to the TEA Party. It starts with an education campaign that can overcome the MSM censoring. After those in the know reach a critical mass then the elected politicians can act without fear of retribution or assignation, seriously assignation. And no Rep Gifford’s was not out on a limb calling them out but Connell was and so is Sibel Edmonds.
I know that RAW readers understand what has happened and can see the “big picture” but how many of us are willing to put ourselves “out there” and speak out to ALL of our friends and family and risk being labeled a Socialist (a badge of honor IMO) or a Tin foil hatter? We have a responsibility to our families to take on this great challenge and present the FACTS to the non-believes or skeptics for without a concerted effort on the part of the people in the know how do we EVER expect things to change for the better?

I don’t care what color he is just that he is angry/energized enough to take on the abuses of the past 30 years.

Of course any credible action would come without great personal risk to him and his family’s which explains why no one else has stepped forward to mount a challenge to the leaders of the Coup!

This has to be a grass roots movement similar to the TEA Party. It starts with an education campaign that can overcome the MSM censoring. After those in the know reach a critical mass then the elected politicians can act without fear of retribution or assignation, seriously assignation. And no Rep Gifford’s was not out on a limb calling them out but Connell was and so is Sibel Edmonds.
I know that RAW readers understand what has happened and can see the “big picture” but how many of us are willing to put ourselves “out there” and speak out to ALL of our friends and family and risk being labeled a Socialist (a badge of honor IMO) or a Tin foil hatter? We have a responsibility to our families to take on this great challenge and present the FACTS to the non-believes or skeptics for without a concerted effort on the part of the people in the know how do we EVER expect things to change for the better?

You should take it very seriously.

You should take it very seriously.

with great personal risk

RAW When oh when are you going to get the Edit function to work?

with great personal risk

RAW When oh when are you going to get the Edit function to work?

Hey, you forgot to wear you tinfoil hat. It can protect your brain from the destructive gamma rays being issued by the libural press.

Hey, you forgot to wear you tinfoil hat. It can protect your brain from the destructive gamma rays being issued by the libural press.

Alpo for Brains doesn’t give a rip about facts just perception and defending the perception of the Right as the defenders of Liberty is cheif amopng his charges!

Alpo for Brains doesn’t give a rip about facts just perception and defending the perception of the Right as the defenders of Liberty is cheif amopng his charges!

http://www.newamericancentury.org

http://www.newamericancentury.org

That shouldn’t worry ‘em none. If he was able to escape from that cave and the big rock on the door and all that, going thru that door should be a breeze. Particularly, if he’s got one of ‘em cards that you swipe thru an electronic scanner.

That shouldn’t worry ‘em none. If he was able to escape from that cave and the big rock on the door and all that, going thru that door should be a breeze. Particularly, if he’s got one of ‘em cards that you swipe thru an electronic scanner.

Yeah and Hersh was wrong about the US secret military involvement in Iran too….NOT

Yeah and Hersh was wrong about the US secret military involvement in Iran too….NOT

These organizations have different levels. Those at the bottom aren’t privy to what goes on at the top. There is a group known as “The Family” that has very deep roots in the U.S. government. Also, other writers have exposed the deep fundamentalist Christian influence on the leadership of the U.S. armed forces. I wouldn’t dismiss Hersch’s claims too quickly.

These organizations have different levels. Those at the bottom aren’t privy to what goes on at the top. There is a group known as “The Family” that has very deep roots in the U.S. government. Also, other writers have exposed the deep fundamentalist Christian influence on the leadership of the U.S. armed forces. I wouldn’t dismiss Hersch’s claims too quickly.

You may want to read this:

Fifty Years After Eisenhower’s Farewell Address, A Look at “Prophets of War: Lockheed Martin and the Making of the Military-Industrial Complex”

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/1/20/fifty_years_after_eisenhowers_farewell_address

You may want to read this:

Fifty Years After Eisenhower’s Farewell Address, A Look at “Prophets of War: Lockheed Martin and the Making of the Military-Industrial Complex”

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/1/20/fifty_years_after_eisenhowers_farewell_address

I posted this for shiva, you may be interested too:

Fifty Years After Eisenhower’s Farewell Address, A Look at “Prophets of War: Lockheed Martin and the Making of the Military-Industrial Complex”

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/1/20/fifty_years_after_eisenhowers_farewell_address

I posted this for shiva, you may be interested too:

Fifty Years After Eisenhower’s Farewell Address, A Look at “Prophets of War: Lockheed Martin and the Making of the Military-Industrial Complex”

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/1/20/fifty_years_after_eisenhowers_farewell_address

Republicans like to listen to the military because to do so is antithetical to all of the values we once held as a nation. Republicans hate every single thing that once made us different from fascist and communist dictatorships — from bans on torture to bans domestic spying. Republicans hate America more than anything.

Republicans like to listen to the military because to do so is antithetical to all of the values we once held as a nation. Republicans hate every single thing that once made us different from fascist and communist dictatorships — from bans on torture to bans domestic spying. Republicans hate America more than anything.

It’s worked out pretty well so far. Let’s hope the trend continues.

It’s worked out pretty well so far. Let’s hope the trend continues.

Based on Hersh’s career and history one can reasonably give him the benefit of the doubt.

Based on Hersh’s career and history one can reasonably give him the benefit of the doubt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_malta

It does in fact back up Hersch’s claim that TKOM were engaged in protecting the Holy Land from Islamic attack. Most people think of these things as “in the past,” as if centuries of conflict were made irrelevant by TV and modern technological society. The unfortunate truth is that we are already fighting the Third Jihad, a war that is being fought mostly in the cultural and political realms,but with support from the military wing via terrorism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_malta

It does in fact back up Hersch’s claim that TKOM were engaged in protecting the Holy Land from Islamic attack. Most people think of these things as “in the past,” as if centuries of conflict were made irrelevant by TV and modern technological society. The unfortunate truth is that we are already fighting the Third Jihad, a war that is being fought mostly in the cultural and political realms,but with support from the military wing via terrorism.

Wow, I bet some of them belong to the Kiwanis, too!

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Wow, I bet some of them belong to the Kiwanis, too!

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

…Brrrr…
…Shivvvvverr…..
..Sssuss-seer-eeous-lee…

…Brrrr…
…Shivvvvverr…..
..Sssuss-seer-eeous-lee…

well, seems like YOU live in the reality you are supposed to…

well, seems like YOU live in the reality you are supposed to…

of course. a religion that dates back thousands of years wouldnt have its claws deep into governments? HA

of course. a religion that dates back thousands of years wouldnt have its claws deep into governments? HA

I’m not sure Opus Dei can exactly be called a “secret society”, and the Knights of Malta is a religious order with some roots in a military tradition. While, as Roman Catholic organizations they are more international than similar religious organizations based in the U.S., and indicate General McCrystal holds socially and politically conservative beliefs, they are no more “secret” than another general’s membership in a Southern Baptist congregation.

I’m not sure Opus Dei can exactly be called a “secret society”, and the Knights of Malta is a religious order with some roots in a military tradition. While, as Roman Catholic organizations they are more international than similar religious organizations based in the U.S., and indicate General McCrystal holds socially and politically conservative beliefs, they are no more “secret” than another general’s membership in a Southern Baptist congregation.

…an’ I don’t live in an Illuminati conspiracy.
But I do enjoy a good mystery book.

…an’ I don’t live in an Illuminati conspiracy.
But I do enjoy a good mystery book.

Maybe Hersh is the one coming down with the Alzheimer’s. I know he has done some amazing things in the past, but WOW

Ooooh, that’s some scary shit Yikes!

There are a lot of people in this comment section decrying Hersh’s alleged statements on the matter. That’s interesting because the book hasn’t been published yet. No one has actually seen the case he makes or fact-checked it yet. I remember when the government was saying he had it all wrong about Mei Li too. I’m going to read the book when it gets published and not let my ideology form my opinion PRIOR to its publication.

I hope he doesn’t ‘commit suicide’ before he finishes it.

Thank you! Depressing but important history.

1.Kristol
2.Feith
3.Dov Zackheim
4. Cheney
5.Perle (Darth Vader)
6.Wolwfowitz
7.Libby
8.Richard Kagan

neocon scum!
Funny how we never hear much about the PNACer clowns these days.

Bushdaddy
Bushbaby

It does work.

See:-
I edited this one.

You gotta click “Save Edit” — on the LHS.

Yeah, we get it, you already posted your comment at least once. Keep it up and I’ll flag it as spam.

And Opus Dei certainly ceased to be a secret after Dan Brown published “The Da Vinci Code” and Ron Howard made the movie version. I think the news is that eight or nine neocons overthrew the American government is more newsworthy than high-ranking members of the U.S. military are members of O.D. or the Knights of Malta. Rawstory, I think you wrote the wrong headline!

Go to some other site, bigot.

What exactly do you – or for that matter Seymour – WANT Obama to do? Initiate an investigation of every member of the military to pry into their religious associations – and beliefs – and practices? How’s he supposed to square that without infringing upon their first amendment rights? Want him to start some sort of a sweep through the military, looking to fire anyone who might hold conservative religious views? Uh huh, and how’s that supposed to work? Seymour Hersh hasn’t been the best source of information ALL the time and has way too expansive a view of his own awesomeness. I’ll wait to see just what he has when the article comes out, but so far I have to wonder what his suggestion is for how we’re supposed to “fix” this “problem.”

Don’t worry.

This kind of conspiracy driven vitriolic rhetoric will soon be illegal.

The conservative religious rot that exists today in the U.S. military (and among private contractors) runs deep, far deeper than I experienced while serving in the U.S. military decades ago, long before some conservatives decided that privatizing our public military for profit was good for our country.

And think on this. This Religious Purity Test, er, um, Spiritual Fitness Test, being administered by the U.S. military, a test forced on service members while they are on active duty, not only is an abomination relative to the U.S. Constitution (no religious test shall ever be required), but also signals anyone interested in volunteering for the U.S. military that they will be subjected to this “religious test,” meaning that some patriotic citizens may decide not to enlist, literally hurting recruitment efforts. How long has this utterly un-Constitutional Religious Purity Test, er, um, Spiritual Fitness Test been administered to our troops? How many vitally-needed Arab language specialists, including American Muslim enlistees, have been subjected to this religious test? Has this singularly-insane and un-Constitutional neo-conservative religious fundamentalist policy been responsible for so many Arab language specialists either leaving the U.S. military or shying away from enlisting in the first place, as well as all the stop-loss, multiple tours that our U.S. military personnel have faced since Bush and Cheney started the Iraq War in 2003?

We know that the House Republicans will NEVER hold hearings into this, but maybe Sen. Harry Reid and Senate Democrats will look into this. And why hasn’t President Obama, as CIC, ordered Gates to stop it, with anyone proposing or administering this un-Constitutional Religious Purity Test being dishonorably discharged, no matter how high in the chain of command, or low? Oh, wait, getting rid of this right-wing religious rot would probably strain our military even more than it is already strained…which is probably what the un-Constitutional religious types had in mind in the first place…get it in place so it will stay in place.

“God” is God in ALL religions – we humans have taken the initial premise and stamped our own definitions on God depending on the location on this earth at the time the concepts began. There are NO separate Gods – it is ONE.

When religions start realizing that their concept is no morre valid than any other, then the “culture wars” will cease.

Rawstory, I think you wrote the wrong headline!

As good a job as they do, I think they do that a lot.

Opus Dei, Skull & Bones, Masons….etc. etc. etc. What makes man in general feel superior due to belonging in some “secret society”?

Man is territorial by nature – hence separate countries, separate parties, separate stations…

Too bad we can’t seem to see the same paths to the same ends…..

So what? Scallia is said to be a member of Opus Dei,Former Senator Rick Santorum is a member of Opus Dei.
Clarence Thomas is also suspected of being a member,despite rumors to the contrary.Thomas conversion/return to the Roman Catholic Church was handled by the Opus Dei “priest to the political stars” John McCloskey, with the assistance from Paul Scalia (another OD priest, and son of Justice Scalia).

But even if this is the case, these organizations are not some esoteric criminal cabals depicted in Dan Brown`s moronic books. These are mostly “old white men” private Clubs, just like the Free Masons.

Over the past decade there has been a steady stream of complaints from members of the military who had the temerity to be other than evangelical Protestants or observant Catholics. They have faced harassment, threats, career damage, forced attendance at worship services, proselytizing by superior officers and chaplains. ENOUGH. It must END.

I love how people throw around words like bigot to try and chill debate. I only go by history and by what leading Muslims say today, which is that Islam is the only true faith, that man-made laws mean nothing and only Allah’s law counts, that one day the U.S. will be Islamic and run by sharia law. Muslims are not content to practice their faith in private like every other faith. It’s always about respect Islam and let me wear my scarf and veil and beard even when no one else is allowed. OOOOO don’t draw a picture of our Prophet or we’ll all go bats–t and kill the cartoonist. The poor Muslim actress from Harry Potter had to call the cops because her barbarian brother choked her and threatened to kill her for talking to a non-Muslim boy. I see apostasy in her future for sure. You tell little kids to blow themselves up so they can go to heaven. It is a sick, intolerant, woman-hating, patriarchal system that belongs on the trash-heap of history. It is not bigoted to be against these values. What civilized person would not be??

LOL…shows how much u don’t understand cults. I guess guys wearing hoods and robes while worshiping a stone owl (Bohemian Grove) is just boys being boys too.

Well, duh. For instance this guy’s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_D._Watkins) got one son in the CIA and another who’s a KofM/Jesuit, and it’s these sorts of people who run the world from around their dinner tables.

Wrong….they are very conservative and reactionary groups. Being both conservative and religious makes for a potentially dangerous mix regardless of the religion. Always has, always will.

Ran as a progressive? Somebody wasn’t paying attention then.

Ya sure…like on the 12th of Never.

Who administers the Spiritual Fitness Test?

I actually agree that will never happen….

I am aware of that,what I meant was, they have some influence over specific fields and issues, but they do not control the world. Some wackos will automatically jump to the conclusion that these groups are part of the New World Order conspiracy bullshit…

There is a thin line between fantasy, fiction and reality,but the line does exist :)

Yeah, they also worship the Devil, sacrifice young boys, and are actively involved in kiddie porn snuff movies..You have been watching too much Alex Jones……

What about all the other pyramids in our society then?

Media, banking/finance, politics?

Is our world a total illusion crafted for us, by these secretive societies?

Don’t laugh. The military is loaded at the top with religious nutjobs and ideologues. You should be afraid, especially if you are draft age. The sabers are rattling for Iran.

Yes, you should take it seriously. Those organizations are stuffed with world leaders, upper echelon businessmen and military brass. PS, with grammar and spelling like yours (who are you trying to kid?), it is you who needs to read a book or three. Starting with a dictionary.

First of all, it isn’t up to Hersch to suggest a fix. He is a reporter, reporting news that is of concern to thoughtful Americans. Next, “What is Obama supposed to do?” How about provide some leadership? Obviously, a sweep of the military for religious views is not appropriate. But it is also not appropriate for the military to be secretly controlled by religious fanatics looking for a crusade. Obama could provide leadership by acknowledging the danger and supporting the military in policing itself in this matter.

Good catch!

And the information is available at wikipedia for chrissakes! That’s some secret society!

OK, he modified his campaign language to appeal to progressives, at least enough to get more votes. It is definitely true that he talked a different game than he is playing.

Islam came centuries after Jesus…of course that doesn’t matter to the revisionists, lol

Maybe we should add the pickled fetus Bush in the jar to the list?

“Although I’m not religious”… bite me.

This story verifies Hersh would not confirm his own “quotes”. So hard to decipher the truth, but as usual he is a bomb thrower. Does anyone take him seriously? He has been flat wrong on so many things. As sexy as his latest story sounds, I can smell the bullshit through my broadband connection. He could make some great screenplays however.

These two snippets from the story add some insight when viewed together:

“[Hersh] further claimed that Gen. Stanley McChrystal, Vice Admiral William McRaven and others in the JSOC were members of the “Knights of Malta” and “Opus Dei,” two little known Catholic orders.
…

“In an email to the military’s Stars and Stripes publication, McChrystal’s spokesman, David Bolger, panned Hersh’s claim.

“The allegations recently made by Seymour Hersh relating to General McChrystal’s involvement with an organization called The Knights of Malta are completely false and without basis in fact,” he reportedly wrote. “General McChrystal is not and has never been a member of that organization.”

Translation: McCrystal is a member of Opus Dei but not of the Knights of Malta.

He did not run as a progressive.

Naint nothin’ wrong wif ma spellin’ nor ma grammah !!

Okay.
So which one of them is going to rule the world?
The Knights of Malta, the Rosacrucians, the Freemasons, the Illuminati, the Skull and Bones, Opus Dei, Tom Hanks, Dan Brown, the Priory of Zion, someone I left out…
All of them…?
Or … they’re in competition and will murder eachother to become top-knob…?

I mean, seriously.
You do know this conspiracy has been going on since the Church first tried to put down the Illuminati – in God knows when?

Find and read Chomsky’s work on the deep structure of language. It exposes what a person is really saying by the deeper structure of their words. Very enlightening, and the lies fly right out at you when they are spoken

http://grammar.about.com/od/d/g/Deep-Structure-term.htm

Most generals are old, close to dying. Scares the crap when you find out that they are also extreme right wing-nuts wanting to be here for Armageddon.

Who do I trust to tell the truth– Seymour Hersh or Stanley McChrystal? Yah, Hersh. The New Yorker and Hersh would not discuss this issue further because he is writing a book about it, according to the Washington Post, a right-wing rag if I ever stepped on one.

Opus Dei members in the military general staff, include at least four members of the supreme court. They are all in league together, with the Neocons, and the German pope, to restore the Holy Roman Empire. Neocons, German pope, lifestyle crusades, a crusade against Muslims, preemptive war, maybe it’s the 4th Reich instead.

And lest we forget the fairly recent revelations of religious indoctrination at the Air Force Academy. From what I read, you better be a believer if you want to advance in the officer corp.

We are the lambs being led to you know where. I plan to be left behind.

oh come on now… he broke the story of the Mylai massacre in the 1960′s and that was very true and very disgusting.

Yes he did and good work back then. But it seems like he has been trying recapture that magic for the last 40 plus years and I just don’t see it.

Lets presume he is right that a few generals and other leaders were/are members of some obscure secret society with no influence. So what? Maybe his next story will be to break veil of secrecy about Skull and Bones. The influence of these high end fraternity like entities is minimal in world affairs. unless of course you get hot and bothered by a a good conspiracy.

Separation of church and state – my arse!

That’s the best Bush of them all.

Agreed!

Just because something doesn’t fit in with ones view of the world doesn’t give one the right to just discount it – I mean who the heck are you and what have you done to be such an authority on another person’s work? Consider it, research it and work with what you find out for yourself – have you even read on the subject beyond this little piece of reportage, doubt it very much?!

Bucket, head, sand!
Here’s a few conspiracies – discount this little bundle, they did back then and now we know otherwise. http://www.infowars.com/33-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true-what-every-person-should-know/
Then go try this – http://rationalrevolution.net/war/major_general_smedley_butler_usm.htm
Then after that (assuming you can read and don’t have ADS) go read this, which is a little more current – http://thehiddenevil.com/introduction.asp
Then after that try Mouseland – alittle easier as it’s a cartoon! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEYwVb-6TeE
- a very interesting speech by Tommy Douglas, Keiffer Sutherland’s Grandpa! Enjoy!

See above !

Just go listen to Arianna’s boyfriend! http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/george-soros-the-united-states-must-stop-resisting-the-orderly-decline-of-the-dollar-the-coming-global-currency-and-the-new-world-order

he’s quite open about it, kinda hiding in plain sight! Wiki is wiki – a little suspect for heavens sake!

This is a great story that details the “Spiritual Fitness Test.”

Spiritually Unfit Soldiers FORCED to see Chaplains, to get “born again” http://rockbeyondbelief.com/2011/01/18/spiritually-unfit-soldiers-forced-to-see-chaplains-to-get-born-again/

After reading the above account, who doesn’t believe that this is also a religious crusade??? (Also, for anyone that has been in the military; you don’t give a crap if it’s an atheist, Mormon, Catholic or whatever as long as they have the courage to fight as a cohesive team.)

What is interesting is that the Protestant prejudice against Catholics, that they are slaves to Rome, has not come into play.

In some jurisdictions being a Mason could, in the old days, get your traffic ticket fixed.

I expect Opus Dei membership could get your court case fixed.

I’m skeptical that he will be able to prove this. Event correlation is generally not enough to make this type of accusation.

And since Raw couldn’t verify the comments from Hersh himself they should have waited longer. An anonymous source could be anybody, including someone who wishes to hurt his reputation.

Unless your a black man accused of murdering a white women in the south, then it’s considered fact.

Sorry couldn’t help myself.

Good question. From the way the questions and results are worded I’d bet it is graded by computer.

Some of the questions (read on Talk2Action) made me think of a wonderful line in Thomas Berger’s novel Little Big Man: “The settlers are always ragging at the Indians–trying to get them to go to church. What the settlers don’t understand is that an Indian is always in church.”

The people who constructed the test wouldn’t understand that at all.

I should add that the quote is paraphrased–I don’t have a copy of the book handy. But that is the gist of it.

perhaps the reformation and the division of Christianity was just another example in ways ‘they’ want to divide ‘us’. See Ireland. 100 years war, etc.

Well, I can pop in to my local Southern Baptist congregation any Sunday. Have a feeling I would not be able to get an invite to an Opus Dei meeting.

And, in addition to the Catholic zealots, you have a bunch of Evangelical Fundamentalist zealots equally as dangerous and nuts. A lot of the military, and the military acadamies have been hijacked by these zealots that place their self defined religion ahead of country.

Infiltrated the Pentagon too.

[...] Raw Story has a bombshell of a story that details how veteran investigative reporter Seymour Hersh is planning to release a book that [...]

Every monotheist religion presents itself as the only true faith. Some monotheists are tolerant of other points of view and some are not.

Your third from the last sentence is true of some Muslims, some Christians, some Jews. It is untrue of many Muslims, many Christians, and many Jews.

aren’t justice roberts and scalia opus dei

What a crock of shit…Sy Hersh the King of the Limited Hangout.
These guys all knew what this shit was about from the get go … money and power PERIOD.

Sy Hersh the conduit for CIA ‘limited hangouts’.

What “things” has Hersh been flat wrong about? Since you claim there are “so many” naming three of them should be easy. Please name at least three things that Hersh has been “flat wrong” about?

When I was young girl attending catholic school, I was taught that anyone who was not baptize catholic would not get into heaven. So I guess all you born agains, evangelicals, baptist and everyone not catholic better be worried. If you aren’t catholic and think you will still be allowed into heaven, well I think you all are just be used! I guess since the catholic church teaches they are the one true church, they could say their god is better than your god! I took it to mean all this is a bunch of bunk and I’m out here! Religions are not real if they promote killing and war! Even if you do it in the name of the lord!!!!!! Jeez people wake up! My grandson is in the air force. During the Presidential election he called home to remind his Mother to vote for McCain telling her it was important to the military for him to win! Ask who told him that, he said his co. What? He says religion comes up often he his training. Great, just great. We have people Like eric prince and franklin graham running the country and we can’t forget those politicians of the people, the family. We are freakin doomed.

Actually, the fact that Glenn Beck is asking his fans to shoot first does not reassure me.

President Obama could use his authority as Commander in Chief to make sure the Article 6 of the Constitution of the United States is being observed by the US military.

The “Spiritual Fitness” test violates Article 6.

And this guy doesn’t think 9/11 was an inside job? Why not? Because it’s too wacky an idea? Not that he probably isn’t right. He’s just put the pieces together backwards.

I liked this–it’s true–but got to say Obama’s cool may be the only way he can navigate the mess he took on as Prez.

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“When birds fall from the sky and the animals are dying, a new tribe of people shall come unto the earth from many colors, classes, creeds, who by their actions and deeds, shall make the earth green again. They will be known as the warriors of the Rainbow” ~ Hopi Prophecy — We are the rainbow warriors…menders of the sacred hoop! Rev. Ana Jones

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TAKE NOTE THAT SEYMOUR HERSH IS SPEAKING ABOUT THIS FROM GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY.

GEORGETOWN IS THE UNITED STATES JESUIT MILITARY FORTRESS.

THE JESUITS CONTROL THE VATICAN AS WELL AS BOTH THE KNIGHTS OF MALTA & OPUS DEI & EVERY OTHER SECRET SOCIETY.

THE JESUITS ARE IN FULL CONTROL OF THIS WORLD.

http://wakeuptothefullconspiracy.blogspot.com/

The Nazi regime was controlled by the Jesuits (who control the Vatican, every secret society, every government, the world). Hitler came from a Roman Catholic family and praised the Jesuits in Mein Kampf. Hitler was brought to power by Franz von Papen, a Knight of Malta. Himmler (Head of Hitler’s SS) was a Knight of Malta. Goebbels (Head of Hitler’s Propaganda Ministry) was trained at a Jesuit college. Gehlen (Hitler’s Intelligence Chief) was a Knight of Malta. Hitler’s allies were almost exclusively Roman Catholic. They included Franco, who had many Opus Dei members in his government and who kissed the Pope’s hand, and Mussolini, a Knight of Malta who was advised by a Jesuit priest. Another of his allies, Tiso, was a Roman Catholic Priest. Hitler’s financiers (Abs and Thyssen) were Knights of Malta. Hitler said “Above all I have learned from the Jesuits. And so did Lenin too, as far as I recall. The world has never known anything quite so splendid as the hierarchical structure of the Catholic Church. There were quite a few things I simply appropriated from the Jesuits for the Use of the [Nazi] Party.” he also said “In [Heinrich] Himmler [who would become head of the Nazi SS] I see our Ignatius de Loyola [Founder of the Jesuits and the first 'Black Pope']“.

http://wakeuptothefullconspiracy.blogspot.com/

We must reinstate the draft, right now. Unintended consequences of eliminating the draft
threaten everything.

Oh, I see you’re fresh out of ideas, too, except for that very specific “provide some leadership”. Yeah, that explains EXACTLY what Obama’s supposed to do … not. Try answering the question this time (though I know you can’t): what ACTION is Obama supposed to take which addresses this “problem” assuming one exists? Hersh is complaining that he wants an angry black man, so HE’s the one saying he knows the solution. Just what does he want the angry brother to do? Be specific. You want Obama to say what, exactly? Perhaps issue an executive order saying he believes everyone has the right to their religious beliefs but directing that they not join any right-wing cabals? Oh yes, that should go down very well, especially coming from the Kenyan Usurper “Muslin” Jihadist Hitler President. Do tell. Go on, I’m dying to hear your other suggestions.

Ooops, sorry, you just tipped your hand. I don’t negotiate with domestic terrorists, loser. ‘Bye now.

One, he asserted that the Bush admin was going to attack Iran before they left office. Did not happen. Two, he said he’d seen video footage of American soldiers raping Iraqi children in Abu Ghraib. did not happen. Third, he asserted that 16 AC 130 Gunships attacked Afghanistan during the first days of that war and purposely missed Mullah Omar. But the problem is that not even half the number of those planes were in the region and they don’t fly in formation like that.

He plays loose with the facts and is too eager to believe his sources, who are usually anonymous in his articles, if they fit his predetermined narrative. and he is a media whore. You can like him, but there is no question his journalism skills are considered contreversial.

He forgot to mention ole daddy Bush is the leader of the skull & bone society.

This may be exactly what is going on. He probably wants to stay alive. Maybe he’ll be more forthcoming in his second term.

Thanks Jaimes.

Number 8 is Johnny Warbucks!

The 8 or 9 Hersh is referring to are basically the signatures of the PNAC letters/documents that called for the invasion of Iraq and elsewhere. Kristol, Pearle, RobertKagan, Feith, Wolwfowitz, Libby, Elliot Abrams, Donald Kagan, Dan Quayle, Gary Bauer, Francis Fukuyama.

Just some of the many signatures of the PNAC statement of principles.

If you recall, during the Clinton years they pleaded and begged for the illegal invasion of Iraq. Clinton wouldn’t bite. Then when the 2000 election was stolen they had their guy in the white house and the rest is history. And now because of their imperial hubris of just pure insanity and a few other reasons, America is a failing empire.These same people want more invasions, Iran for example. They will still fight to make America a Fascist Christian theocracy, also one of their goals.

The neocon madmen are just a huge pile of shit.

The 8 or 9 Hersh is referring to are basically the signatures of the PNAC letters/documents that called for the invasion of Iraq and elsewhere. Kristol, Pearle, RobertKagan, Feith, Wolwfowitz, Libby, Elliot Abrams, Donald Kagan, Dan Quayle, Gary Bauer, Francis Fukuyama.

Just some of the many signatures of the PNAC statement of principles.

If you recall, during the Clinton years they pleaded and begged for the illegal invasion of Iraq. Clinton wouldn’t bite. Then when the 2000 election was stolen they had their guy in the white house and the rest is history. And now because of their imperial hubris of just pure insanity and a few other reasons, America is a failing empire.These same people want more invasions, Iran for example. They will still fight to make America a Fascist Christian theocracy, also one of their goals.

The neocon madmen are just a huge pile of shit.

Basically most of the PNAC clowns, you’ve listed a few.
* Elliott Abrams
* Gary Bauer
* William J. Bennett
* John Ellis “Jeb” Bush]
* Richard B. Cheney
* Eliot A. Cohen
* Midge Decter
* Paula Dobriansky
* Steve Forbes
* Aaron Friedberg
* Francis Fukuyama
* Frank Gaffney
* Fred C. Ikle

* Donald Kagan
* Zalmay Khalilzad
* I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby
* Norman Podhoretz
* J. Danforth Quayle
* Peter W. Rodman
* Stephen P. Rosen
* Henry S. Rowen
* Donald Rumsfeld
* Vin Weber
* George Weigel
* Paul Wolfowitz
* William Kristol, Co-founder and Chairman
* Robert Kagan, Co-founder
* Bruce P. Jackson

* Mark Gerson
* Randy Scheunemann

Over 17 signatures of the neocon madness were in the Bush administration.
And during the Clinton years many of these same neocons begged him to illegally invade Iraq, Clinton didn’t go for it. Then when they stole the 2000 election they had their guy in the white house and the rest is history. America is in a shithole because of these assholes, the neocon scum are the biggest tyrants in American history.

Many more names are on the lists, just Google PNAC signatures.

Basically most of the PNAC clowns, you’ve listed a few.
* Elliott Abrams
* Gary Bauer
* William J. Bennett
* John Ellis “Jeb” Bush]
* Richard B. Cheney
* Eliot A. Cohen
* Midge Decter
* Paula Dobriansky
* Steve Forbes
* Aaron Friedberg
* Francis Fukuyama
* Frank Gaffney
* Fred C. Ikle

* Donald Kagan
* Zalmay Khalilzad
* I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby
* Norman Podhoretz
* J. Danforth Quayle
* Peter W. Rodman
* Stephen P. Rosen
* Henry S. Rowen
* Donald Rumsfeld
* Vin Weber
* George Weigel
* Paul Wolfowitz
* William Kristol, Co-founder and Chairman
* Robert Kagan, Co-founder
* Bruce P. Jackson

* Mark Gerson
* Randy Scheunemann

Over 17 signatures of the neocon madness were in the Bush administration.
And during the Clinton years many of these same neocons begged him to illegally invade Iraq, Clinton didn’t go for it. Then when they stole the 2000 election they had their guy in the white house and the rest is history. America is in a shithole because of these assholes, the neocon scum are the biggest tyrants in American history.

Many more names are on the lists, just Google PNAC signatures.

That’s because he knows exacyly where to draw the line. This guy is one of the CIA disinformation transmission belts. Not that this is wrong exactly, it is what as known as a controlled ‘limited hangout’. Hersh is famous for be used for such.

That’s because he knows exacyly where to draw the line. This guy is one of the CIA disinformation transmission belts. Not that this is wrong exactly, it is what as known as a controlled ‘limited hangout’. Hersh is famous for be used for such.

Please see my above (and below…ha) comments

Please see my above (and below…ha) comments

Illuminati and masonary are abaout to rule the world, they want this as their members

Illuminati and masonary are abaout to rule the world, they want this as their members

Theofascists are both traitors and abominations. Nothing could be further from what the Founders created than theofascists.

They called for 911 to happen and they got precisely what they wanted in order to wage global war. Who benefits? The Military-Industrial Complex. http://www.militaryindustrialcomplex.com/

Hersh is “famous” for the integrity and accuracy of his reporting (though no one’s perfect, of course). You, however, will soon gain your 15 seconds of limited fame here for your nutty conspiracy theories.

We don’t hear from them anymore because nobody opposes them anymore. Obama not only guards them against prosecution, but he does whatever they tell him to do with respect to Iraq and Afghanistan..

I did look this up. Thanks.
It is nothing we didn’t already know, but at least we understand now, why we are paranoid. Why was the illuninati founded? So the middle class could usurp the royal families of Europe. Some escaped to the new world and started their own royal families. These secret organizations want to be the next dynasties to arise.

Hey ya think…Thanks!
By the way, to what ‘nutty conspiracy theories’ do you refer? Do you think the CIA does not or has not used assets in the media? They had a name for the operation in which they placed and recruited assets for which to gin up propaganda and place disinformation in the national media, it was known as Operation Mockingbird.
Allen Dulles, the first chief of the CIA refered to his people in the news media as The Grand Wurlitzer. I mean I’m not making this stuff up. It comes from CIA declassified documents. It is not some wild eyed ‘Prison Planet’ Alex Jones self serving bullshit.
It is fascinating and I think you might actually find it interesting to study.

When the Muslims took Jerusalem they knew the prophesies of Jesus’ return and tried to negate them. They want the world to be totally Muslim to honor their prophets wishes . We want to help usher in the return of Jesus, and our fundamentalists think it is their job to make it happen.
This is what Reagan and Dumya were about. Dumya thought he was the angel fortold in Jeremiah Ch1.

That would be funny if it wasn’t serious. There are some screwy people who believe these fairytales of yore. And you elect them. Yes, YOU! lol :)

I thought the Jews were from reading The Raw Story.

Yes indeed, these idiots have limited power, but they are not ruling the world behind the scene.

Or you elected ….scratch that…..appointed President!

One. Did it occur to you that his story prevent the Iranian attack?
Two. And you know the rapes did not happen how?
Three. And your witnesses are?

Hersh had/has multiple witnesses and or saw evidence FIRST HAND. You on the other hand are speculating.

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Dear God

Please make crazy people stop doing evil in your name…

Thanks

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A lot of this has to do with the fact that we now have leaders who have never served in the military and don’t know how to stand up to them. They’re too busy supporting the troops.

Dear god:

Folks say you’re all powerful. If true, please do one thing for the human race: disappear and never come back. You are the source of most human evil.

Dear Red:

I have it on good authority that god disappeared a long time ago. Cheer up. Humanity will either survive recognizing you’re gone or kill itself off because the fiction is now incurable anyway.

Operation Mockingbird like Operation Payback & Operation Loveback ?
hmm…

[...] “They do see what they’re doing — and this is not an atypical attitude among some military — it’s a crusade, literally,” Hersh reportedly continued. “They see themselves as the protectors of the Christians. They’re protecting them from the Muslims [as in] the 13th century. And this is their function.”….more here [...]

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Having followed Mr. Hersh’s investigative work for more than forty years, he has repeatedly impressed me with his honesty and bravery. We could use hundreds more like him to carry out the Constitutionally assigned job of watchdog over our government.
There is no doubt in my mind that while there may or may not have been a silent take over of the military by religious radicals, the effect has been the same. Religious minorities are finding that their career paths are being blocked, policy is being over influenced by biblical tunnel vision, and we are being robbed of the inherent advantages using a diversity of thinking to achieve our goals.
In my humble opinion, we need to discover who these people are and route them out of the military. They would be much more helpful if they preached at their own congregations, They might be surprised to learn that our military was not intended to be the recruiter for religious zealots. Quite the opposite is true.
My hat comes off for you, Mr. Hersch, one more time.

in the south there are many masons who happen to be black men. not that it matters, but not so much the old “white” mens club.

If only this was the last hurrah of religion! Enough!

Treason.

I hope he blows the doors wide open and gets rid of these traitors.

And to think Cheney’s having a heart transplant. Question: How do you replace what doesn’t exist?

Why isn’t this shit all over the news? Where’s that angry black man when we need him? Obama didn’t get to where he is today without a BIG leg-up from the powers that be and without a free press we are doomed.

Yes, Obama is a coward and the neocons are quietly loving their efforts of imperial hubris
But some of them are still quite vocal and still spew the same insanity. William The Bloody Kristol is the worst offender.

People claim religion is good but this just shows that more often then not religion is used as a force to control people to make them do what political leaders and religious leaders want them to do.The Fundamentalist and Catholic leaders are working to destroy Democracy and the sooner we realize this the better off we will be.As far as the corporate news media carrying this story or reviews of Mr Herch’s book the only reviews will be attempts by the news dunging it as a fantasy.

Both Anton Scalia and Clarence Thomas are admitted members of Opus Dei. These men sit on the Supreme Court. If this doesn’t make you concerned about Constitutional issues regarding religious freedom in this country, or any we have been occupying and pillaging over the past ten years, it should.

After the Supreme Court selected Bush /Cheney over the final electoral vote count in 2001 the open arrogance and dictatorial neo-con attitudes set out to finish the Reagan job of institutionalize war for profit policies from the hands and minds of an elected US Government into the ‘private’ sector National Defence Industries. No big surprise that a high-tech coup can take place without a murmur from an embedded Washington corporate media trained to bark and fetch on command.

Why are these cults called orders? They are nothing more than radical spinoffs of the larger cult.Their members are as radical and as fanatical as Kersh, Doe, Phelps and Jones. Religion has done nothing but screw this Country. They are enconced in the U. S. Air Force academy. Unfortunately their allegiance isn’t to the Country but to their mind’s twisted view of religion. It amazes me people, especially supposedly educated people, can be so brainwashed.

Um those facts have been around long before Alex Jones. As far as the other stuff you mentioned how do you know it doesn’t go on in this country or any country period? I will assume you believe people aren’t capable of things like that, that just shows your naivety.

There is no god, ‘they’ just want you to believe in one, any god – so that you have hope. Hope stops you acting, it is a passive state – which is why it is installed!

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Goodness, appears I’m dealing with someone too literal minded to know snark when he sees it. Let me explain it so that even someone as simple and literal as you can understand it: I was using the terms commonly used by our domestic terrorists to describe our President as a way of noting that there is NOTHING Obama can do about this supposed cabal without evidence of actual criminal or subversive action, and any such effort on his part would be strongly, perhaps violently, opposed by those who think he’s a bad guy already. Belonging to a conservative religious group is no more cause for investigating and possibly cashiering a serving officer than, say, his belonging to a group of outspoken atheists.

“that just shows your naivety”

As opposed to you, believing any bullshit…Let me guess, you have a dead Grey Alien in your refrigerator? :)

This is where the equivalency argument always comes in….there’s no difference at all between them etc ..I beg to differ. The vast majority of Jews and Christians have relegated the more medieval and primitive parts of their holy books to the area of cultural practices we no longer do because we have become civilized. It seems to me by the things they say and do that a much, much smaller percentage of Muslims have been willing to cast off those things. They still adhere to the letter of a book composed 1400 years ago, and they are proud of it, calling muslims who reject those things apostates or bad Muslims. It is not the same. A lot of Shias cut themselves and let their kids cut themselves in a bizarre blood ritual. Pathetic. I’m simply saying I don’t want to see this primitive, cliquish bullshit come to the US in any way.

I don’t mean to get overly simplistic here – but a Jew blames the Catholics ?

…Didn’t see this one coming.

Hersh, as been said below, is a limited hangout. What country really benefited from these invasions ?

I don’t mean to get overly simplistic here – but a Jew blames the Catholics ?

…Didn’t see this one coming.

Hersh, as been said below, is a limited hangout. What country really benefited from these invasions ?

Of course money and greed is part of it. Religion is a means of controlling people. People respond to religion for different reasons. There are some people who are comforted by a “god”. It makes them feel some one is in control of their lives. Some people are just afraid not to believe in god and man made religion. People who don’t believe are the ones that see right thru all of this bunk. People who watch faux news are so happy to go along to get along because it is so much easier to let some one else do their thinking for them. By the time they all wake up it will be too late and will be asking how did this happen? It happened all in the name of the lord!

Of course money and greed is part of it. Religion is a means of controlling people. People respond to religion for different reasons. There are some people who are comforted by a “god”. It makes them feel some one is in control of their lives. Some people are just afraid not to believe in god and man made religion. People who don’t believe are the ones that see right thru all of this bunk. People who watch faux news are so happy to go along to get along because it is so much easier to let some one else do their thinking for them. By the time they all wake up it will be too late and will be asking how did this happen? It happened all in the name of the lord!

And now Olbermann has been forced off the air.

And now Olbermann has been forced off the air.

One of the readers question why they call these Cults Orders, that is easy. You see the sanctimonious christian evokes the jesus christ and the book of fairy tales aka as the bible , the Foundation of Lies,Deceit, Murder Hatred and Ignorance.
Might I draw your attention to the First Lie and quickly endorsed by the Hate and Fear Mongers, I do apologize as their is very little information on her however what is there is enough to question the the validity of the anal sanctimonious christian.

Lilith was Adams FIRST wife, remember the book of fairy tales states that Adam and Lilith were made at the same time, now since SHE was EQUAL to ADAM and REFUSED his advances the Clown complained to their maker, Now here is the Twist, She used the alleged “Lords” name 3x, then TOLD the maker she would NOT comply (hee,hee), the maker tried to persuade her to think otherwise, he sent Three Angels to ask her to change er mind again she REFUSED, so the alleged Lord told her X amount of children would die until she returned (she didn’t). So the hahaha,Almighty now allegedly takes a RIB (hey its in the book of Fairy tales) and Makes EVE. Yup, to be SUBSERVEANT and to OBEY ADAM, wonder WHY the churches Hate this TRUTH so much. Anyway later on LILITH was made into a Demon and scorned you guessed it by the Church to keep WOMEN Subservient. Hey in its rush to make sure WOMEN stayed bare foot Pregnant and in the kitchen notice on research how the Hate and Fear mongering religions kept escalating her horror. One last point Adam went to LILITH after Cain slew Able and he lived with her for a period of 130 years, so now if any one wants to check FACT against Fiction you’ll understand WHY the Major Religions HATE and Fear WOMEN. You also have better understanding why the Hate and Fear mongers call their beliefs a Order and NON Believers a Cult, its all about Hate and FEAR

Those that are interested in Lilith will find it hard to find a lot of information as the early churches made sure she was just about eliminated from all text, if she wasn’t such a THREAT why did the early Hate and Fear mongers work so hard to DEMONIZE her. I offer present day mind bending and doctrine as Proof these COWARDS are afaid of any thing different to include WOMEN. So now you can understand why Hate and Fear mongering reilgions want to be called Orders and anything different is called a cult.

By accepting the concept of God, they are by definition: crazy in the first place.

Very interesting story on that site, thanks. The mixing of religion and the military is dangerous and simply wrong.

It reveals even more of the government’s refusal to separate church and state. Where the hell is the ACLU when crap like this happens??? This is right up their alley. ANY soldier that has been referred to the “Chaplain” because they are “spiritually unfit” has the grounds for a Federal Civil Rights Suit.

This makes me wonder if those that were accused of murdering Afghan’s were “spiritually fit” or if they were otherwise undesirable. The rule of law and the constitution are being trampled upon again – and who will stand up to help us force those in Washington to respect the law and precedents that govern this area of government that is constantly being violated?.

They really, really don’t like the original Lilith story.

They like it even less when one points out that their Garden of Eden story was plagiarized from an earlier Sumerian story.

Very well said.

Is this Country first, again?
When did Jesus reject truth and freedom?
I refuse to admit that I’m a christian any more.

Your points are well made, and I share your concerns.

“When fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”

Sinclair Lewis

Clearly there are different sorts using the name christian. I posit that one cannot at once be christian and make war of conquest as we are doing in the middle east. It contradicts the teachings of the Palestinian carpenter whose teachings the christian religion is based on. Send soldier to kill Afghans with gunsights that have a bible verse on them? This is closer to Orwellian than christian.

I stand corrected i googled lilith after I posted and had a bunch of new sights pop up tha weren’t there a while back. I also warn you some of them are old so don’t count to much on contact ith them.

I stand corrected i googled lilith after I posted and had a bunch of new sights pop up tha weren’t there a while back. I also warn you some of them are old so don’t count to much on contact ith them.

I stand corrected i googled lilith after I posted and had a bunch of new sights pop up tha weren’t there a while back. I also warn you some of them are old so don’t count to much on contact ith them.

To answer your question, no country benefits from these invasions.
The only ones that benefit/profit are the few wealthy elites.

To answer your question, no country benefits from these invasions.
The only ones that benefit/profit are the few wealthy elites.

To answer your question, no country benefits from these invasions.
The only ones that benefit/profit are the few wealthy elites.

thought roberts member opus dei

thought roberts member opus dei

thought roberts member opus dei

So was Dan Rather. Montell Williams.
Bill Maher and countless others during the Bush era.
Now they say Fox New$ is the highest rated show!
Gee I wonder how that happened?!

So was Dan Rather. Montell Williams.
Bill Maher and countless others during the Bush era.
Now they say Fox New$ is the highest rated show!
Gee I wonder how that happened?!

So was Dan Rather. Montell Williams.
Bill Maher and countless others during the Bush era.
Now they say Fox New$ is the highest rated show!
Gee I wonder how that happened?!

Not me. I don’t vote, mate. Gave up a decade or so ago. I couldn’t live with the weight on my conscience of having voted some of those whores into office.

And, hey, I’ve got a couple buddies who are fundies. You know, the ones trying to accelerate the demise of the human race so that Jaysus can come from the clouds and rescue them in their white horse. I can tell you stories.

Not me. I don’t vote, mate. Gave up a decade or so ago. I couldn’t live with the weight on my conscience of having voted some of those whores into office.

And, hey, I’ve got a couple buddies who are fundies. You know, the ones trying to accelerate the demise of the human race so that Jaysus can come from the clouds and rescue them in their white horse. I can tell you stories.

Not me. I don’t vote, mate. Gave up a decade or so ago. I couldn’t live with the weight on my conscience of having voted some of those whores into office.

And, hey, I’ve got a couple buddies who are fundies. You know, the ones trying to accelerate the demise of the human race so that Jaysus can come from the clouds and rescue them in their white horse. I can tell you stories.

Anyone think Obama would suit a Toothbrush moustache?

Anyone think Obama would suit a Toothbrush moustache?

Anyone think Obama would suit a Toothbrush moustache?

Thanks for that, bud. I knew I was missing a ‘couple’

Thanks for that, bud. I knew I was missing a ‘couple’

Thanks for that, bud. I knew I was missing a ‘couple’

Are you aware that there are rules against staling and harassing in this forum and that you are in violation of them? I suggest you shut the fuck up and go away if you don’t want to be banned. You’ve been warned!

Are you aware that there are rules against staling and harassing in this forum and that you are in violation of them? I suggest you shut the fuck up and go away if you don’t want to be banned. You’ve been warned!

Are you aware that there are rules against staling and harassing in this forum and that you are in violation of them? I suggest you shut the fuck up and go away if you don’t want to be banned. You’ve been warned!

Well, the elites and Israel.

Well, the elites and Israel.

Well, the elites and Israel.

….and that has what to do with this article?

….and that has what to do with this article?

….and that has what to do with this article?

Don’t forget the corporations that are allowed to sell their products in those countries and the ones that obtained the oil rights.

Don’t forget the corporations that are allowed to sell their products in those countries and the ones that obtained the oil rights.

Don’t forget the corporations that are allowed to sell their products in those countries and the ones that obtained the oil rights.

Churches should pay taxes if they want to be involved in holy wars.

Churches should pay taxes if they want to be involved in holy wars.

Churches should pay taxes if they want to be involved in holy wars.

Christians following Christ ended with the first crusade and is now spiraling deeper into the depths of hell still grabbing at control.

Christians following Christ ended with the first crusade and is now spiraling deeper into the depths of hell still grabbing at control.

Seymour Hersh is one of the few true patriots left in this country.

Seymour Hersh is one of the few true patriots left in this country.

[...] se ha argumentado, como comenté hace poco, que si en los USA venden pistolas en los supermercados para protegerse del mal es porque los marcianos constituyen [...]

And don’t forget all of those in the Bilderberg(?) group since WWII.

Read Dr. Carroll Quigley’s book “Tragedy and Hope” ..someone who Bill Clinton considered a mentor by the way.

(laughing) Keep the vapid comments coming, it greatly shows your lack of understanding of anything.

Cheney needs to be interrogated …with “enhancements” … waterboard the bastard …911 needs investigating !

Obi-jon it should now read “Fascism came to America, wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”

You want to compare intellectual & academic credentials with me ?

1) What have you studied?
2) Where?
3) How many foreign languages do you speak?

I would go a bit further and submit that all churches should pay taxes unless they take a vow of poverty.

Amen

There are actually 6 Catholics on the Supreme Court now. And 3 Jews for those keeping score.

Voting is the only time I get to kick them in the pants.
My one little pathetic bit of democracy.

Voting is the only time I get to kick them in the pants.
My one little pathetic bit of democracy.

Religious nut jobs on both sides – who would have thunk it? Jeremy Scahill (of blackwater book fame) claims to have seen the crusader coins carried by jsoc troops. JSOC: just some ordinary crackers?

Religious nut jobs on both sides – who would have thunk it? Jeremy Scahill (of blackwater book fame) claims to have seen the crusader coins carried by jsoc troops. JSOC: just some ordinary crackers?

Centuries are a long time to gather power and influence. Not to mention, business contacts. Do you think those in England’s ‘Order of the Bath’ sit around with cups of tea talking about the old days? What ever these secret groups are doing, I suspect is not for the benefit of you and me.

Centuries are a long time to gather power and influence. Not to mention, business contacts. Do you think those in England’s ‘Order of the Bath’ sit around with cups of tea talking about the old days? What ever these secret groups are doing, I suspect is not for the benefit of you and me.

Hopefully, it still works for you. That’s one of the many things that stopped working here back in 2000. I’m not sure that it did the trick before that but, at least, the illusion was more real.

Hopefully, it still works for you. That’s one of the many things that stopped working here back in 2000. I’m not sure that it did the trick before that but, at least, the illusion was more real.

The problem is that we only get to vote once every few years.
A real democracy would have us voting an the issues rather than the people.
We have the internet now. The system could be far more ‘of the people’ if ‘They’ wanted.

There are plenty of ways to give the people a bigger voice. But giving more power to the people means taking it from ‘them’. And they love their power too much.

The problem is that we only get to vote once every few years.
A real democracy would have us voting an the issues rather than the people.
We have the internet now. The system could be far more ‘of the people’ if ‘They’ wanted.

There are plenty of ways to give the people a bigger voice. But giving more power to the people means taking it from ‘them’. And they love their power too much.

Yep. I hear you. At least, you still have its system and it works. All that’s gone here. It’s all but a big joke. Won’t be long now till you’re over run by the same powers. They spread like cancer and once the host is dead, move on to the next body. The US is all but a carcass now. Time to abandon ship and move on to greener pastures.

Hey, look at what I just found. So on point with what we’ve been discussing these past few days:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/01/21/pearlman.online.civility/index.html?hpt=C2

Most definitely…
It is well known that the Nazi government ties to the Vatican run deep. Hitlers ties to the Vatican first became official with the concordat of 1933 he then set up his government to resemble the Vatican’s hierarchic structure. The German SS was packed with Jesuits and Hitler met regularly with the Pope. When the Nazi government fell the Vatican provided an escape route, disguises and credentials for the Nazis safe passage.

Not Christian but very Roman Catholic.

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/8/12/sharlet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gvFgOUmPR4

My computer must run slower than yours.
I can’t keep up. I will read it though. OK, :)

Thank You. I did notice.
I am very sensitive to that kind of stuff after reading a book that was written by a former Jesuit, Edmond Paris. His book, The Secret History of the Jesuits, details the way the Vatican molded history to suit it’s needs… A good read.

Thank You. I did notice.
I am very sensitive to that kind of stuff after reading a book that was written by a former Jesuit, Edmond Paris. His book, The Secret History of the Jesuits, details the way the Vatican molded history to suit it’s needs… A good read.

yep, people thought they were electing an MLK-lite or maybe a Thurgood Marshall. What we got was a Clarence Thomas…

yep, people thought they were electing an MLK-lite or maybe a Thurgood Marshall. What we got was a Clarence Thomas…

[...] Raw Story | Jan 21, 2011 [...]

[...] “They do see what they’re doing — and this is not an atypical attitude among some military — it’s a crusade, literally,” Hersh reportedly continued. “They see themselves as the protectors of the Christians. They’re protecting them from the Muslims [as in] the 13th century. And this is their function.” (Source) [...]

I wonder if these secretive cults foster insanity. I’ll bet they do, by forcing people to give up their personal psychological independence. They do this for power, and what do we get as a result? Crazy people in charge. Maybe Julian Assange is correct about humanity’s need for radical transparency at this time.

I wonder if these secretive cults foster insanity. I’ll bet they do, by forcing people to give up their personal psychological independence. They do this for power, and what do we get as a result? Crazy people in charge. Maybe Julian Assange is correct about humanity’s need for radical transparency at this time.

I don’t know what ‘Christ’ these vile war mongering serpents believe in, but they better hope the real one never comes back, for if he does, they will be the first ones cast into hell. “Whoa to those who call good evil, and evil good”

We are at your heels, master! We are learning fast from you in most areas of change.
There are some fundamental differences like history and environment. But we have Maccas, and 7/11 and watch letterman and Oprah.

Me mate here begs to differ. He says we are as mad or fat as you lot.

‘There are no new frontiers, we have got to make it here.’ Don Henley

You have to be fucking kidding? You believe this shit? “”Don’t they get it? We’re gonna change moseques into cathedrals. And when we get all the oil, nobody’s gonna give a damn.’ That’s the attitude. We’re gonna change mosques into cathedrals. That’s an attitude that pervades, I’m here to say, a large percentage of the Joint Special Operations Command [JSOC].” What a pile of unsubstantiated bullshit and the ravings of a fucking lefty lunatic.

Wow, what a bunch of bullshit. I served over the last 15 years and no of no such test or any implication of it. If you don’t like religion fine, but quit making up a bunch of absurd accusations of which you no nothing about it. You are a true low life piece of shit.

Nothing so inoculates a person against wisdom than fear of God. Is it any wonder the God-driven certainty of these men has led our country to disaster? Doubt is the beginning of knowledge, and these yahoos never doubt, never question, never explain, never apologize.

The Jesuit Order are trained through torture to carry out their mission regardless of their personal beliefs.

“This Religious Purity Test, er, um, Spiritual Fitness Test, being administered by the U.S. military, a test forced on service members while they are on active duty, not only is an abomination relative to the U.S. Constitution (no religious test shall ever be required), but also signals anyone interested in volunteering for the U.S. military that they will be subjected to this “religious test,” meaning that some patriotic citizens may decide not to enlist, literally hurting recruitment efforts. How long has this utterly un-Constitutional Religious Purity Test, er, um, Spiritual Fitness Test been administered to our troops? ”

Just what the fuck are you talking about asshole? Have you hitting the bong? I have served over many years and recently and been to three different combat zones. There is now test and the way we lived our lives and partied, trust me, religion had nothing to do with it. If you don’t religion, fine, just STFU about it and quit making up a bunch of bullshit about some religious test in the military. It is patently false you fucking lefty commie.

Thanks! I will check into that.

Got it thanks. In movies we watch over here from US, all the cool people have nasty mouths and selfish attitudes. It makes old TV stories look new, but it is infecting our school kids.
Why? To make money, and civility falls before a shot is fired.

I notice there are a few angry children here. Don’t let them push your buttons.

Got it thanks. In movies we watch over here from US, all the cool people have nasty mouths and selfish attitudes. It makes old TV stories look new, but it is infecting our school kids.
Why? To make money, and civility falls before a shot is fired.

I notice there are a few angry children here. Don’t let them push your buttons.

[...] High-ranking members of US military part of ‘Knights of Malta,’ ‘Opus Dei,’ reporter claims [...]

Hersh is the only true reporter on the Times. He speaks truth to power. Long may he continue to do so.

Hersh is the only true reporter on the Times. He speaks truth to power. Long may he continue to do so.

It’s alive!… again.

It’s alive!… again.

This makes all kinds of sense and dovetails with related material and outrages Mikey Wienstein’s and The Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) has been working to get out. Check out the wealth of info on that site: http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org Their current front page stories:
Soldiers Forced to See Chaplain After Failing Spiritual Fitness Test
Air Force Academy Taps “Member of Lord’s Army” to Speak at National Prayer Luncheon

It’s a damn shame the crack liberal media have been acting a stenographers for the craziest of the bible thumpers in the war department. If we had a couple dozen true reporters like Hersh the media would be a hellofa lot better off.

This video explains the same Story told by a concerned CANADIAN folk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y9QctdcNsc

So is Noah’s flood. It appears as a part of the epic of Gilgamesh.

The United States of Haliburton.

In 1950, during the Korean “Police Action”once a month we(enlisted personnel) were herded into base Auditoriums to endure Moody Bible Institute two hour lunatic brain washings. It worked. Bible Correspondence Courses were pored over by semi-literate dweebs. I joined PHI THETA ALPHA and took USAFI correspondence courses in calculus. As “You will be home by Christmas never happened” and the VD rate skyrocketed we had a hoot as dimbulb chaplains waved the lily pure banner of girls back home. But the “Dear Johns” came coming as we put the Xmas “Gifts” of Bibles to good use in the latrines.

20th A,F. 1950-1954 DD214 upon request

There is NO liberal media.

Just look what happens to persons like Olbermann and Assange.

Now the internet will be censored and controlled by the Military Industrial Complex.

There is NO liberal media.

Just look what happens to persons like Olbermann and Assange.

Now the internet will be censored and controlled by the Military Industrial Complex.

I am surprised that anyone is just becoming aware of this fact.
The military tells no demands how much they will receive from our limited tax supply , while cutting social programs to receive it.
Why do you believe Bush , Cheney , Rumsfeld , Rove and others involved in the crimes and corruption of the last administration is still around with their wealth and power!
They totally own us today and they are very arrogant about it.
Do you believe over 20 years ago they could get by with the destruction of our constitution , bill of rights , democracy while transferring our wealth and power to this select group.
Was Obama a Trojan Horse when we elected him or had to face to do as he was told once he was elected to office.
The democrats bark when talking about what they stand for , but once they are elected or vote on a corproate policies , they join right in line behind one another.
Of course the corporate republicans are cracking the whip to keep them in line.

I am surprised that anyone is just becoming aware of this fact.
The military tells no demands how much they will receive from our limited tax supply , while cutting social programs to receive it.
Why do you believe Bush , Cheney , Rumsfeld , Rove and others involved in the crimes and corruption of the last administration is still around with their wealth and power!
They totally own us today and they are very arrogant about it.
Do you believe over 20 years ago they could get by with the destruction of our constitution , bill of rights , democracy while transferring our wealth and power to this select group.
Was Obama a Trojan Horse when we elected him or had to face to do as he was told once he was elected to office.
The democrats bark when talking about what they stand for , but once they are elected or vote on a corproate policies , they join right in line behind one another.
Of course the corporate republicans are cracking the whip to keep them in line.

You know, it’s ironic and sad that it is only those on the outside – such as yourself – looking in that can see the madness that lays within the walls of this giant lunatic asylum known as the US of A.

A few weeks ago, I was talking to an old friend who was relating to me the mob scene at the supermarket. It was during the snowstorm that stranded the NY Metro area. She said that people were yelling and abusing the cashiers and she couldn’t understand why people were so nasty when it wasn’t the cashier’s fault. I told her that what she witnessed that day was only the beginning. The worst is yet to come.

You know, it’s ironic and sad that it is only those on the outside – such as yourself – looking in that can see the madness that lays within the walls of this giant lunatic asylum known as the US of A.

A few weeks ago, I was talking to an old friend who was relating to me the mob scene at the supermarket. It was during the snowstorm that stranded the NY Metro area. She said that people were yelling and abusing the cashiers and she couldn’t understand why people were so nasty when it wasn’t the cashier’s fault. I told her that what she witnessed that day was only the beginning. The worst is yet to come.

Ain’t it funny how others only learn that which is bad? I don’t think anyone can be as mad, stupid and fat as Amerikans. Ha ha!

Ain’t it funny how others only learn that which is bad? I don’t think anyone can be as mad, stupid and fat as Amerikans. Ha ha!

Since all religions believe only theirs is the one true religion, I can’t wait for them to start turning on one another. Maybe we can instigate the war between religions and be done with all of them!

Since all religions believe only theirs is the one true religion, I can’t wait for them to start turning on one another. Maybe we can instigate the war between religions and be done with all of them!

Excellent, thanks…

Excellent, thanks…

If what’s out there already isn’t enough, then you need to investigate, big time. That’s what he can do. Too g-damn bad about those who think he’s a bad guy already. Do what’s right. But, that’s not Obomber, not at all… and yes, a clean sweep of those who push their religion on others in the military is needed – I don’t care the cost. The military should be cut by 75% just for starters anyway.

These religious jerk-offs have caused incalculable pain and suffering around the world – they need a sledgehammer of justice to smash them flat, and new laws if needed to keep them there.

With ‘law’ in your name, you don’t seem to know much about law..

If what’s out there already isn’t enough, then you need to investigate, big time. That’s what he can do. Too g-damn bad about those who think he’s a bad guy already. Do what’s right. But, that’s not Obomber, not at all… and yes, a clean sweep of those who push their religion on others in the military is needed – I don’t care the cost. The military should be cut by 75% just for starters anyway.

These religious jerk-offs have caused incalculable pain and suffering around the world – they need a sledgehammer of justice to smash them flat, and new laws if needed to keep them there.

With ‘law’ in your name, you don’t seem to know much about law..

hell no, sorry, but I think you’re just being hope-a-doped…

hell no, sorry, but I think you’re just being hope-a-doped…

I’ll be damned…revisiting the “Crusades” in the middle east and the civil war in the South…makes sense, as usual religion is being used as justification to cover up old-fashioned theft and greed….make it relegious…..and suddenly it becomes acceptable behavior, “Christians saving the world, and making it safe for humanity”….takes the focus off the real reasons let lie behing the propaganda and brainwashing, that natural “Christian” (human) revulsion to corruption, greed, theft and murder..all wars are fought for only three things “gold” resources and land….and it is always covered by the “holy purpose”…God’s will….

I hope-a-dope you’re wrong, lucky_2

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Our young people are getting that way now. They are confused and angry and can’t understand why the world isn’t centered around them.
That scene you describe sounds like a taste of things to come. When they shit hits the fan, it will be like that here and everywhere else too. As we can see in the riots happening in Europe etc.

Our civilization has had a good run. We can’t complain. I hope the planet can cope with the crap we have given it so that humans can survive. Otherwise we might have to wait until a monkey somewhere learns to make a spear in a few million years time.

Bush is a Fabian Socialist. This is really all about the New World Order, and control of bases and resouces for which America becomes the military arm of a world government. The far Left and NEocon form the left and right arms of the same two headed giant.

Bush is a Fabian Socialist. This is really all about the New World Order, and control of bases and resouces for which America becomes the military arm of a world government. The far Left and NEocon form the left and right arms of the same two headed giant.

Tel Aviv is classified as a world city,[8] being a major economic hub and the richest city in Israel, home to the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange and many corporate offices and research and development centers. It is the country’s financial capital and a major performing arts and business center.[14] Tel Aviv’s urban area is the Middle East’s second biggest city economy,[15] and is ranked 42nd among global cities by Foreign Policy’s 2008 Global Cities Index.[16] It is also the most expensive city in the region, and 17th most expensive city in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Aviv

Tel Aviv is classified as a world city,[8] being a major economic hub and the richest city in Israel, home to the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange and many corporate offices and research and development centers. It is the country’s financial capital and a major performing arts and business center.[14] Tel Aviv’s urban area is the Middle East’s second biggest city economy,[15] and is ranked 42nd among global cities by Foreign Policy’s 2008 Global Cities Index.[16] It is also the most expensive city in the region, and 17th most expensive city in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Aviv

You wouldn’t know what socialism was if it jumped up and bit you in the face.

You are sputtering the usual thoroughly defective worldview shaped by Alex Jones and Jason Bermas, spawned by rightists with an identity crisis.

How anyone could blame socialism for George W. Bush…. It’s amazing. How stupid can you be.

By perpetuating lies about the guilty, you share culpability. America is infected to the hilt with this crack-brained anti-intellectual right wing libertarian garbage, which seeks to apportion blame for a century of imperialism, theft of resources and inequality to the victim.

Long live socialism.

You wouldn’t know what socialism was if it jumped up and bit you in the face.

You are sputtering the usual thoroughly defective worldview shaped by Alex Jones and Jason Bermas, spawned by rightists with an identity crisis.

How anyone could blame socialism for George W. Bush…. It’s amazing. How stupid can you be.

By perpetuating lies about the guilty, you share culpability. America is infected to the hilt with this crack-brained anti-intellectual right wing libertarian garbage, which seeks to apportion blame for a century of imperialism, theft of resources and inequality to the victim.

Long live socialism.

You wouldn’t know what socialism was if it jumped up and bit you in the face.

You are sputtering the usual thoroughly defective worldview shaped by Alex Jones and Jason Bermas, spawned by rightists with an identity crisis.

How anyone could blame socialism for George W. Bush…. It’s amazing. How stupid can you be.

By perpetuating lies about the guilty, you share culpability. America is infected to the hilt with this crack-brained anti-intellectual right wing libertarian garbage, which seeks to apportion blame for a century of imperialism, theft of resources and inequality to the victim.

Long live socialism.

You wouldn’t know what socialism was if it jumped up and bit you in the face.

You are sputtering the usual thoroughly defective worldview shaped by Alex Jones and Jason Bermas, spawned by rightists with an identity crisis.

How anyone could blame socialism for George W. Bush…. It’s amazing. How stupid can you be.

By perpetuating lies about the guilty, you share culpability. America is infected to the hilt with this crack-brained anti-intellectual right wing libertarian garbage, which seeks to apportion blame for a century of imperialism, theft of resources and inequality to the victim.

Long live socialism.

You wouldn’t know what socialism was if it jumped up and bit you in the face.

You are sputtering the usual thoroughly defective worldview shaped by Alex Jones and Jason Bermas, spawned by rightists with an identity crisis.

How anyone could blame socialism for George W. Bush…. It’s amazing. How stupid can you be.

By perpetuating lies about the guilty, you share culpability. America is infected to the hilt with this crack-brained anti-intellectual right wing libertarian garbage, which seeks to apportion blame for a century of imperialism, theft of resources and inequality to the victim.

Long live socialism.

Yep. You’ve assessed it well. I know the lot here well and I know well that nothing short of civil war will result from this madness. In fact, if you look, you can already see it happening. Not a day goes by that someone, somewhere doesn’t go postal and start pulling the trigger in a public place. Still, they’re blowing trillions of the dollars we don’t have to protect the populace from “terrorism” – Ha ha!

“Fabian Socialist”? You cannot be serious. Fabian Socialists are what they used to have in the UK Labour party. George W Bush is in no way a “Socialist”, Fabian or otherwise.

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No, Still exists. Even lauded in a recent book by Tony Blair.

Its fairly simple, but I’ll try to dumb it down for you. In 2000 or 2001, George Bush said (quote from memory) “Just because a person is poor or has bad credit is no reason a person should not live in a house as nice as anyone else’s.” He then went on to discuss how The pseudo governmental agencies Fanny and Freddy would back what were essentially risky loans. This , of course is redistribution from the haves to have nots at it’s finest. Responsibility averted, it was no wonder that banks would embark to give loans at no risk to themselves. normally, fear of failure helps prevent such irresponsible behavior. But backed by congress and signed by bush this social tinkering created the travesty that free markets alone would have left more largely undistorted. Then of course was the, too big to fail, nonsense. large central government is no friend to the people. It makes promises to the heart, that have no practical application, but for an amassing of power to oneself.

I have no problems believing Bush said this, nor that quote mining and cherry picking can make anyone look like anything, but if you’re too lazy to provide a reliable source, I’m certainly not going to bother responding. Make an effort, skippy.Explanation what a reliable source isYou, Bush, Beck, McConnel, Bachmann, Rand Paul, the whole lot of you are going down in flames.Long live socialism. Finally, Latin America is free from you and your right wing extremist / libertarian buddies.

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Over 10 years ago our fed govt. took a big chunk out of it’s mental health budget and we got a massacre down in Tasmania. I think some of your shooters are suicidal, but ‘If I’m going, I’ll take others with me’. You have an uncaring govt.
Tunisia has had milk prices double every week. One of your news services suggested that because your milk has gone up 3% in a year, you might have a revolution too.
People riot when they can not afford food or other dire situations, you are not near that yet. It seems to be something more subtle that is causing the unrest.
America has such a shady past, and doesn’t want therapy for it. The paranoia of terrorism is part of the psychosis. It looks ironic from here too.

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i’m pretty sure you are retarded. if you love socialism so much, why don’t you move to north korea. i’m pretty sure kim jong ill needs a mistress.

Yeah, I know the Fabian Society still exists in the Labour party, but socialists certainly don’t. Therefore there are no Fabian Socialists in the Labour party, only members of the Fabian Society, therefore “Fabian Socialist” is a contradiction in terms. (And the Fabians were never really that Socialist anyway.) And to my knowledge, George W Bush was never a member of the Fabian Society, much a less a socialist, so calling him a Fabian Socialist is quite frankly bizzarre. Exactly what did the polices of the Bush administration and the Fabian society have in common?

Well, that’s an interesting theory, but it still has bugger all all to do with being a “Fabian Socialist” as you previously claimed George W Bush was.

Mind you, being a member of the Fabian Society these days has bugger all to do with being a Socialist either.

In the UK, we have a website for people like you:
http://ifyoulikeitsomuchwhydontyougolivethere.com/

Nah, I’d rather stay. Resistance is futile, jorge. You’re going to have to ‘share the wealth’.

Ha! I just addressed this issue on my reply to you on the other post. Look here to validate your point:

Mental Illness Hit 1 in 5 U.S. Adults in Past Year

http://www.azcentral.com/health/news/articles/2010/11/18/20101118mental-illness-hit–in—us-adults-in-past-year.html

For a while now, I’ve been tracking what I feel is a unique Amerikan phenomenon, the mass shootings. I’m thinking of writing an article on the subject and compare it to the canard du jour “terrorism” – Something nobody seems to have done. There isn’t a day that goes by that I don’t spot in the corporate media at least one shooting. And it’s never one or two, it’s multiples. Today, it was a mother who shut her 3 children (and even the family dog) before doing herself in. The madness is rampant and common place. Yet, you see them all taking off their underwear at the airport & letting the TSA goons sexually molest them so that they can feel “safe” when they get on that plane. If the plane doesn’t crash due to the shabby maintenance performed by that mechanic in Mexico or Honduras who just got 2 bucks a day to work on their plane, they’re likely to get shot by some nut when they get off it. Yet, watch ‘em all go nuts and into voluntary servitude when they hear the word “terrorist” just like Pavlov’s dogs. Shameful!

Bush sat by while Mossad agents blew up the twin towers killing some 3,000 people (se movie FABLED ENEMIES) then sent troops to die by the 1000s (See Iraq Depleted Uranium and Iraq for SALE) Displaced 1 million Iraqis and Afghans killing over a million men, women and children. This whole crusade business is to get fluoride heads like cyan22 to think that he is on a football team rooting for his side not knowing the crusade is against him and anyone else who thinks they are free. (see movie ENDGAME) Suckers are born every day.

Obama is a socialist commy and his cousin Bush is a Fascist Nazi like his grand father Prescott Bush who helped fund Hitler. Both are the same f-ing thing and if you can’t see that by now then open your eyes. No one gets elected unless the bankers want them elected and the bankers invented fascism and communism. Divide and Conquer pick a side it doesn’t matter because they control ALL of them. Get a clue already. Even if they look different they both have the same goal. WORLD DOMINATION

Hi brentjones911.

Socialism and communism are far from the same thing. But if Obama was either, he’d be a real cool guy, wouldn’t you think? Unfortunately he’s a prostitute for the financial elite, so neither applies.

Fascist and Nazi aren’t exactly the same either, but it is true Prescott Bush’s bank helped finance Hitler through Fritz Thyssen.

Hitler, however, wasn’t a socialist. Nazism, look it up on Wikipedia, is as follows:

“Nazism presented itself as politically syncretic, incorporating policies, tactics and philosophies from right- and left-wing ideologies; in practice, Nazism was a far right form of politics”

Hitler was rabidly anti-communist. And that, my ignorant friend, is exactly why Prescott Bush financed the mofo. This is also why Prescott Bush was involved in the Business Plot and why he was involved in the assassination of blossoming leftist John Fitzgerald Kennedy.

Due to the lies of pseudohistorian hack Jonah Goldberg, the American extreme right seeks to offend Europe by claiming Hitler was a socialist. Hitler was no more a socialist than the DDR was democratic. You need to understand the difference between ‘Nazi’ and ‘Sozi’. Socialists and communists were exterminated in concentration camps along with the Jews.

It’s your meager and inadequate American education and the lying American right wing extremist media that give you these mistaken impressions. That’s not my fault =)

There is no left in America; only right and extreme right. Alex Jones and Jason Bermas aren’t historians; they’re right wingers who are upset about their own political philosophy but don’t understand it yet.

Regards, w000t

True, they could be using religion, but I think they actually believe it, and are operating from a medieval imperialistic feudal consciousness, at least these Catholic extremists he mentions.

[...] “They do see what they’re doing — and this is not an atypical attitude among some military — it’s a crusade, literally,” Hersh reportedly continued. “They see themselves as the protectors of the Christians. They’re protecting them from the Muslims [as in] the 13th century. And this is their function.” (Source) [...]

[...] “They do see what they’re doing — and this is not an atypical attitude among some military — it’s a crusade, literally,” Hersh reportedly continued. “They see themselves as the protectors of the Christians. They’re protecting them from the Muslims [as in] the 13th century. And this is their function.” (Source) [...]

Definitely agree with you regarding the team mentality they have herded alot of us in. Next time there is a sports game on, observe the fans for a a few seconds (that is all you will need). They jump around like animals cursing the players from the opposing team.

Yet when those same people see people being butchered, raped and tortured in their homes, they become apathetic to it all. It truly is THE mental disoprder of the 21st century.

i second that!

[...] “They do see what they’re doing — and this is not an atypical attitude among some military — it’s a crusade, literally,” Hersh reportedly continued. “They see themselves as the protectors of the Christians. They’re protecting them from the Muslims [as in] the 13th century. And this is their function.” (Source) [...]

I AM THE LORD THY GOD….. THOU SHALT NOT HAVE STRANGE GODS BEFORE ME…. this goes for all the thousands of false religions and cults that have sprung up since the crucifixion of the God-Man Jesus Christ. There is only One God, The Most Holy Trinity and the Gates of Hell Shall Not Prevail against His One True Church.

all religions are false, there is no magic sky faerie…all the people of the earth have to suffer because of this ‘my “god is better than your god ” rhetoric..please…keep your religion to yourself…if i want to be preached to, i will go to a church…

Pity the fool……… your argument lies not with me but the very Author of Truth… the Commandment itself…….. God Almighty. You argue sir with Him not I. You are already defeated. But do not despair.

Pity the fool……… your argument lies not with me but the very Author of Truth… the Commandment itself…….. God Almighty. You argue sir with Him not I. You are already defeated. But do not despair.

Brent did not define socialism or nazism so correcting him is not necessary. His statement of them being the same relates to the concept that being for either/or doesn’t matter because in brent’s words “Even if they look different they both have the same goal.”

We all lose if either wins. Their existence is a sham perpetrated by those that would divide opinion (and distract our energies), and conquer (steal and self enrich).

[...] overthrew the American government." Posted on January 23, 2011 by Satyavira By Stephen C. Webster Friday, January 21st, 2011 Veteran investigative reporter Seymour Hersh has broken some massive [...]