Oh!!!!!!!!!The smell of fascism in America on a nice Sunday afternoon!

welcome to the empire. we don’t need no stinking badges

hey now they got a new list of 42,000 terrorists

I think the military is going too far in its treatment of their personnel.

Yep, they can now be put on a no fly list. They can now be the next target when Beck says::shoot then in the head!”

Hillary Clinton’s cozy relationship with AIPAC and the Zionist-Jews in Israel are the reasons so-called sensitive (scandalous is the bette word) documents got out to be viewed world wide. Zionist agents have been arrested in the past passing government documents to Israel.

Private Manning is just the chosen scapegoat for insider’s incompetence or out right collusion.

Get used to it people. The military is using Bradley Manning for practice. They’ll come after you next. Arm yourselves.

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These are some of the same tactics used against the protesters at the School of Assassins. Fascism is alive and well and living in Amerika.

One wonders whether President Oblivion is behind this or whether he has become completely irrelevant to the day to day functioning of the Executive Branch.

Demanding justice for someone that exposes crimes … is a crime???

Every one of these activists deserves the Medal of Freedom for their selfless actions unlike the traitors to the Constitution that have received them like Paul Bremer and George Tenet. Hemingway famously defined courage as “grace under pressure.” These people who dare to defy the empire are surely deserving of praise.

FireDogLake now reports that Jane Hamsher and David House have been released: http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2011/01/23/breaking-military-harassing-david-house-jane-hamsher-for-visiting-bradley-manning/

It appears the entire intent of the detention was to prevent this weeks visit to Bradley Manning for unknown reasons. A timeline of his ordeal as a political prisoner can be found here: http://firedoglake.com/bradley-manning-wikileaks-timeline/

Yes indeed…more guns will solve everything. Nonsense.

Anyone surprised at the thuggitude of the military establishment? They’ve gotten used to killing innocent civilians without any consequences . . . the next step will be killing American civilians . . .

They have now been released, when it was already too late to actually visit Manning. Anybody out there still think President Brian Oblivion is a good guy?

Bradley Manning is a brave man.

There is no rule of law any more, just the law of the rulers.

Yeah, the folks at Bunker Hill should have held a sit-in. ;-)

Shut up Adolf.

This shows you just who is controlling and running this country and the policies forced on us.
It is NO longer OUR country , for we have had a coup and it is now a military industrial complex which controls our every move.

‘The noose is tightening. The era of amusement is being replaced by the era of repression’
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/2011_a... /

What, have you lost your copy of the Newspeak dictionary?

Is this what “pro business” looks like?

This sort of association and wordplay is contrived and artificial and should be considered invalid. The reference assumes conditions and biases that are no longer in effect.

Tweet and blog the bejeezus out of this, everyone!

http://fdl.me/eMqvwW #thewholeworldiswatching

Well fuck me sideways…

Please be gentle.

Executive or/and the military.

“Arm yourselves”.

Why? So I can be tracked by those I may wish to resist at some point in the future? No, if it ever came to that in the US of A, I don’t think that walking around brandishing or even owning a gun will solve anything. At best it would give a false sense of security. At worst just seeing it would give them reason to shoot me. If there is anything we as a People should have learned from Iraq and Afghanistan, it’s that simply getting a gun and challenging a well-organized armed force to a firefight on their rules is not the way to win.

Anyone want to help organize a little field trip to Quantico?

Arm yourselves! Against the United States Military. What do you plan to use, some sort of glorified peashooter. The army has tanks and helicopters. You wouldn’t last five minutes.

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The military is going as far in their treatment of Manning as the President orders or lets them. I recall a news report about Jimmy Carter (some many, many years ago), our last honorable President. He was watching “60 Minutes” and there was a segment about some Navy program that may have been legal was was not a ‘moral’ program. I saw the same story on the same “60 Minutes” and was also shocked. I actually don’t recall what the Navy program was but it is immaterial.

Some government official that was in the room with Carter said that Carter, who did not know about the Navy program, then went to the phone, got the Naval Joint Chief on the phone, asked about the program and then ordered that it be stopped, right there on the phone.

That’s how it’s done and the only difference between then and now is who is in office and has been in office. The treatment of Manning, or any other actions or programs of the military can be brought to a dead stop with a phone call. The president wears the title of Commander in Chief for a reason.

If doomsayers prove right it will manifest as “Soil yourselves!!” Nice bicycle icon, reminds me of other album art, “Who did what?” Still an invalid storyline in my view. Being secretive and convoluted its hard to counter.

This is not an “our country” thing, this is a global scourge. The entities responsible for this have allegiance to no country, land, or people.

Money is not even the motivator here. To these entities, money is the ploy they use to have the weak among us get “bought-in”. Once in, one may or may not realize that no matter how much money or perks bestowed upon you (through ill gotten means), it will dematerialize (or you will dematerialize) whenever it becomes necessary.

It would not surprise me if they just decided to torture them or send them to Guantanamo and, of course, this president would say nothing at all.

Obama is destroying America. We need to make sure he doesn’t get the votes for a second term. He assuredly is guaranteed a cush job with the Carlisle Group after leaving office. We need to make sure he is available for that job four years early. Maybe some year in the future, if the world ever finds a moral compass again, Obama will be tried with Bush/Cheney as war criminals.

The military thinks it cannot be sued for violating the Constitutional rights of civilians.

“Detained for 40 minutes now upon entering base,” he tweeted. “Advised that cannot leave.”

The taking away the liberty of a private civilian without lawful cause has to be directly unconstitutional.

“that his car was searched and impounded,”

This violates 4th Amendment against search and seizure. If the civilian police did this they would quickly be prosecuted. The military has less authority over civilians.

Since the TEA party has assumed the mantle of the Founders, it would be particularly fitting if they took a position strongly against this most egregious transgression by the military of the Founders’ vision. It seems to me they have a special obligation to do so. And I would respect them much more if they did.

I would also respect the Commander in Chief more if he did the same; that is precisely where this particular buck stops.

Six months in solitary is no joke. This should be a violation of due process but it’s not. What a shame.

Meet the screw who’s personally responsible for torturing Bradley Manning-
http://ladylibertyslamp.wordpress.com/2011/01/21/the-state-of-bradley-manning-we-have-idd-his-jail-abuser/

Meet the screw who’s personally responsible for torturing Bradley Manning-
http://ladylibertyslamp.wordpress.com/2011/01/21/the-state-of-bradley-manning-we-have-idd-his-jail-abuser/

Solitary is torture. It is a way to mind fuck someone.

The FBI is the corporatists enforcement arm.

They are not the good guys anymore, if they ever were.

The United States “amazing democracy” can do whatever they want, isn’t it? Can you imagine what they do when no one is looking?

never were

Obama? Obama is ONE GUY people. There are so many players in this game, Obama is just a flag. Wake up!

New president same as the old president.

So many rogue programs going on. The president doesn’t know about much

And the Pentagon keeps saying Manning’s being treated fine… like anyone is supposed to believe a word they say when they pull this kind of bullshit.
It just proves all the more than we need people like Manning to expose their lies.

I don’t know about the rest of you but this makes me so angry. I want to be proud of my country, and this does not make me proud.

“The army has tanks and helicopters. You wouldn’t last five minutes.” Yeah. Like in Afghanistan, where the Army has tanks, helicopters, bombers, drone missiles and over 150,000 troops. That’s why those [estimated] 10,000 Taliban fighters didn’t last 5 minutes… oh, wait…

Something tells me the system has gotten weary of dodging endless questions and has just decided to scare people into not asking them anymore. Per usual.

From its’ inception, many rabbis warned of the potential dangers of Zionism and openly declared that all Jews loyal to G-d should stay away from it like one would from fire. They made their opinions clear to their congregants and to the general public. Their message was that Zionism is a chauvinistic racist phenomenon which has absolutely naught to do with Judaism. They publicly expressed that Zionism would definitely be detrimental to the well being of Jews and Gentiles and that its effects on the Jewish religion would be nothing other than destructive. Further, it would taint the reputation of Jewry as a whole and would cause utter confusion in the Jewish and non-Jewish communities. Judaism is a religion. Judaism is not a race or a nationality. That was and still remains the consensus amongst the rabbis.
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antisemitism/holocaust/gedalyaliebermann.cfm

Now you shut up.

So again we see the law used as a tool of oppression.

You are not alone!

Never was a democracy!

America, the entire world is watching you very closely, and I do not hear of any approval for you any longer

Uh, you came on to a military base without the proper documents. That’s how they would treat anyone’s car they didn’t specifically target them. The Marines and Security guards have to follow the same rules for everyone. Especially considering the fact their actions are being carefully scrutinized they’re not going to make exceptions for anyone. They’re doing exactly what they’re supposed to do.

If you don’t believe me just try going to get on any military base where you live without a Military ID or the proper documentation. They applied the rule of law equally and without malice that’s not antagonistic towards anyone. Using incendiary language to pretend you’re being treated badly is just counterproductive.

His lawyer is supposed to say stuff like that, if he didn’t he would be a terrible lawyer.

Perhaps clarify your use of pronouns. “You came on to a military base?” Are the people in question reading this? Maybe “they” is the correct pronoun. But you spread the intimidation around pretty evenly not distinguishing between individuals.

This one is no secret though, is it?

There is NO proof that Manning has done anything.

Wired says that Lamo says that Manning boasted… well, hearsay is not evidence, especially in a game of telephone. If the military had even a shred of proof, they would have charged him with something, and filed further charges later, just like Loughner, where preliminary charges are filed with more to come. The military has complete control over Manning, his residences, his communications, his possessions… and they haven’t found anything that would stand in a court of law. They’ve frantically search for the better part of a year, aided by the FBI and the rest of the alphabet-soup agencies, and haven’t found any real evidence.

Without hard evidence, they must rely upon confession.

Torture isn’t really used to gain evidence, despite what TV shows: it is used to sadistically punish and it is used to extract false confessions.

There are many ways to commit torture without breaking the skin. Solitary confinement for extended periods destroys the mind. So does sleep deprivation. So does yelling at someone every few minutes and forcing them to answer. So does exposure to bright light, heat, cold.

Manning is being tortured. Without trial, without conviction, without sentence. He is being tortured. In a land where we “pledge allegiance to the flag… with liberty and justice for all”!

And the military will not stop until Manning’s mind breaks… at which point he will be unfit to stand trial.

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i’m with jane and david. i signed that petition

part of this reminds me of a quote:
“For my friends, anything. For my enemies, the law…” – Oscar Benavidez, dictator of Peru (1933-40)

& yes we are indeed close to a dictatorship, now – at least there’s one already set up within the military-industrial-apocalypse complex…

Well, well, the Marines are behaving like sick fucks, are they not? How typical, trying to whip you and me into shape by amping up their mistreatment of Manning. Time to instead apply pressure to Gates, Obama, and Congress.

The term “activist reporters” in this story should give some context to the situation. Are reporters supposed to be activists? Is the opposite “uninterested whistelblowers”?

You look good in stripes. I bet you own a uniform too.

Yeah? Well, . . . .well. . . . umm. Yeah.

I believe you actually have to invoke due process yourself.

Dude, every president would do the same thing. If this happened during the Bush presidency literally the exact same thing would happen.

I think what your comment actually says is that the US doesn’t want to win the war in Afghanistan but rather just prolong conflict.

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It is the military government enforcers who are keeping Bradley Manning confined at all, not just in the inhumane manner that is taking place – solitary, constant light, no blankets/sheets for covering, no exercise, extremely limited reading/viewing material and time,etc. Just as government enforcers make all the regulations/laws/edicts/mandates/etc more than the words that legislators/judges/executives write or speak by initiating or threatening physical force, the military enforcers at Quantico and everywhere else are doing the same.

I have been writing online for years that the soldiers/sailors/marines – the government enforcers in geographical areas outside the USA – are the key to stopping wars, just as they are the essential key to starting them. I write it this way because, the hundreds of thousands of ordinary soldiers, marines, sailors and airmen are the ones doing the actual harm – most of it per order of their non-coms, officers and high command including the President. Do you think that the high command generals, admirals and the President are going to go out in the field and enforce their own orders to fire the guns, tanks, missiles, to set the traps/bombs, deploy the drones or even do the maintenance and repair on the various equipment used? No way!

So in the case of confining Bradley Manning – at the very least in the manner being done even before *any* conviction of a “crime” has taken place – the military enforcers are initiating physical harm towards him, just in a less bloody manner than their fellow enforcers have done towards countless thousands of others in the many current “war” zones maintained by the US government.

On 10/30/2009, 07:10:46 AM I wrote a comment of partial agreement to “No One Else Will Stop the Killing” by Mike Ferner – http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23828.htm From that comment:

Protesting in writing and person against the current administration’s continued warfare in Iraq, escalation of it in Afghanistan and talk (and plans?) of it in Iran (and who knows where else) is good. BUT it is not enough! The actual enforcers of the government’s plans are the key!!

If large numbers of the troops become convinced to cease being the fingers on the triggers, then the current wars (and those on the drawing board or just possibilities) will burn out from lack of fuel. I recommend families and friends to use logical persuasion of the above type to urge their military enforcer to cease being so and to resign, refuse re-enlistment and instead to get truly productive employment. And do not hesitate to urge potential enlistees to take a non-military route for employment. Also, if family/friend military members have the courage to refuse deployment (while attempting to resign) and the possible ensuing military court repercussions, support them openly and heavily.

An additional method of persuasion for those who will not be convinced of the logic above is to refuse to voluntarily associate with them – those individuals who continue in or join the military and those persons who “support” the troops as they continue to inflict harm. This negative social preferencing (contrasted with the positive form to favor those approved) has been referred to as ostracism in many parts of the world for centuries and has been an effective method of nonviolent political action. (Writings of Gene Sharp recommended.)

———end of comment————-

So with the military enforcers at Quantico and other military installations where resistors to the US government are being detained, I suggest the same type of withdrawal of voluntary association – negative Social Preferencing – for those who are not persuaded logically to cease being an enabler of government harm-doing. For those who know or can obtain the names of these military enforcers, make them public and photos too if that can be done – so that those who do *not* agree with their actions can Socially Preference against them, and maybe even succeed at attempts to logically persuade some to find productive (non-government) jobs.

Never forget that the troops themselves are *the key* to stopping – or starting – any war! And they are the key to government confinement in military installations – including of those fellow troops who have taken the actions of stopping their own participation, and in some cases of trying to dissuade many more.

Without large numbers of troops willing to follow the orders given “from above” to do physical harm in various locations outside the boundaries of the US itself and within the borders when it comes to confining resistors, the entire militaristic moves of Obama’s administration’s continuation of Bush’s (and all the previous ones back through the 20th century) would fall apart.

This is the kind of torture and abuse of human rights you would expect from some third world dictatorship. I am ashamed of those in my country that think they are above the law and disrespect this country. Justice would be if those responsible are prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I sincerely hope a courageous journalist like Jane is able to get traction on this story around the world. Until, the U.S. and military are humiliated by this, Manning will not get any justice.

Today an activist reporter is one that has the guts and courage to tell the truth without worrying about beltway access or what Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck will say about them. If trying to get the full story is activism, then journalism has fallen down further than most of us imagined. Journalism is more than stenography and accepting what someone that wants you to go quietly away tells you.

They want to send a strong message:
Forget the oath you swore, and remember that we will bury you if you snitch about our breaking it.

Kitty, it’s called “commenting,” not “essaying.”

Really? When a person comes peacefully onto a military base, it’s standard procedure to not allow them to leave, threaten them with arrest, and search and tow their car? Why do I think you’re full of shit?

And if they’ll do it to Manning and Hamsher and House, they’ll do it to me and you.

If you come on to a military base you’re subjecting yourself to a number of rules. If you don’t properly understand those rules you might want to read up on them before going on. There are a number of websites with plenty of information on the proper procedures for obtaining entrance to a military base. The paperwork you need the identification etc…

By following the rules that are established for Everyone, they’re not targeting these people for harassment. Military bases are high value targets for violent extremist, they have to take security very seriously. They would be treating people who were Anti-Manning supporters the same way. It’s the rule of law which is in a Democracy held as the collective will of the people. You can’t call them tyrants for enforcing what is held by the majority as established law, that’s their job.

Activists delivering Bradley Manning petition held at Quantico ……

Here at World Spinner we are debating the same thing……

Remember Nuremberg!

Remember Nuremberg!

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then he needs to find out. manning is no rouge program.

then he needs to find out. manning is no rouge program.

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May those that inflict feel that very same pain… by God or by man.

And let me be there to watch.

May those that inflict feel that very same pain… by God or by man.

And let me be there to watch.

I wonder what would have happened had they chosen the non-violent route… I suppose it may have taken a few generations more, but I think the US would be independent today.

Or would it cause the UK to grow stronger, hold onto the greatest empire in history (land mass), and ultimately rule permanent over the whole world in a tyrannical orwellian oligarchy?
;)

I wonder what would have happened had they chosen the non-violent route… I suppose it may have taken a few generations more, but I think the US would be independent today.

Or would it cause the UK to grow stronger, hold onto the greatest empire in history (land mass), and ultimately rule permanent over the whole world in a tyrannical orwellian oligarchy?
;)

American exceptionalism in action….

American exceptionalism in action….

Let me add in this case, torture is also being used to terrorize. I believe portions of the US political and military leadership are complicit. As MLK put it: “The United States is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world”

They are clearly going to, and have been, treating Manning this way as a loud and clear message to any other potential whistle-blowers, ie using violence to coerce people by fear, ie, terrorism. I believe some would allow him to be tortured to death publicly if allowed. Authoritarians followers, for example, are quick accept ends as justifying the means. Although even the ‘ends’ are wrong in this case.

Let me add in this case, torture is also being used to terrorize. I believe portions of the US political and military leadership are complicit. As MLK put it: “The United States is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world”

They are clearly going to, and have been, treating Manning this way as a loud and clear message to any other potential whistle-blowers, ie using violence to coerce people by fear, ie, terrorism. I believe some would allow him to be tortured to death publicly if allowed. Authoritarians followers, for example, are quick accept ends as justifying the means. Although even the ‘ends’ are wrong in this case.

I agree, if people stopped joining the services the government would have to do some serious reassessing. They might even decide wasteful wars, started for the sake of vanity should be ended sooner rather than later. I believe it’s called ‘starving the beast’.

I agree, if people stopped joining the services the government would have to do some serious reassessing. They might even decide wasteful wars, started for the sake of vanity should be ended sooner rather than later. I believe it’s called ‘starving the beast’.

what rules required them to be held until visiting hours were over, then released? Anyway here’s the link from FDL:
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2011/01/23/goal-of-quantico-incident-was-to-abuse-bradley-manning-and-intimidating-david-house/

“The McCarthy-esque actions of the security agencies has terrified all of these idealistic young people. It is exceptionally admirable that David and others persist in supporting Bradley Manning despite it all.”

There are rules and there are ‘rules’…

what rules required them to be held until visiting hours were over, then released? Anyway here’s the link from FDL:
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2011/01/23/goal-of-quantico-incident-was-to-abuse-bradley-manning-and-intimidating-david-house/

“The McCarthy-esque actions of the security agencies has terrified all of these idealistic young people. It is exceptionally admirable that David and others persist in supporting Bradley Manning despite it all.”

There are rules and there are ‘rules’…

He angered the 4th Reich. It doesn’t matter what real war criminals do but this guy..oh boy..

He angered the 4th Reich. It doesn’t matter what real war criminals do but this guy..oh boy..

people people, B Manning is just one leg of a spider that has thousands. when something surfaces be sure that there’s much more in the water it surfaced from.
this event is related to a much bigger picture. and like many big pictures going on in the background, most people don’t know anything, but think they understand the system.

people people, B Manning is just one leg of a spider that has thousands. when something surfaces be sure that there’s much more in the water it surfaced from.
this event is related to a much bigger picture. and like many big pictures going on in the background, most people don’t know anything, but think they understand the system.

I think all of us want to be proud of our country. But we want to be proud for what the country is, not what it isn’t, not what it used to be, not what we wish it was. How many doubt that we are in flux – changing for the worse? What we are proud of, is focusing on what used to be. There is little to be proud of in what we are becoming, have already become Education, medical, division of wealth between rich and poor (known as middle-class), longevity, proportion of money spent on military, etc We are lagging far behind the rest of the Western World by any measure.

I think all of us want to be proud of our country. But we want to be proud for what the country is, not what it isn’t, not what it used to be, not what we wish it was. How many doubt that we are in flux – changing for the worse? What we are proud of, is focusing on what used to be. There is little to be proud of in what we are becoming, have already become Education, medical, division of wealth between rich and poor (known as middle-class), longevity, proportion of money spent on military, etc We are lagging far behind the rest of the Western World by any measure.

I was not talking about Beck or Rush, but for some, it is so hard to leave them out of the equation. I am all for “activists” trying to change Manning’s status as a misguided traitor who got caught up in something he could not possibly comprehend, but lets not call those who try to protect him journalists. they are activists. that is OK, but it is not journalism

I was not talking about Beck or Rush, but for some, it is so hard to leave them out of the equation. I am all for “activists” trying to change Manning’s status as a misguided traitor who got caught up in something he could not possibly comprehend, but lets not call those who try to protect him journalists. they are activists. that is OK, but it is not journalism

These are certainly sad times in the US. People are getting busted for being whistleblowers. Exposing the truth could get you jail time or worse.

Yet, Eric Holder and the DOJ do nothing about government atrocities past and present. But they’ll make their presence known if a state wants to legalize pot.

This country has gone down the drain since bushco stole the presidency. I mean, bush and cheney really ran roughshod over the constitution. They broke so many national and international laws that it’s hard to keep count of all their reckless behavior during their two terms.

Who in their right fucking mind would vote republican and why would they want to see this country implode. Some people are so ignorant and stupid that they can’t see the forest for the trees.

These are certainly sad times in the US. People are getting busted for being whistleblowers. Exposing the truth could get you jail time or worse.

Yet, Eric Holder and the DOJ do nothing about government atrocities past and present. But they’ll make their presence known if a state wants to legalize pot.

This country has gone down the drain since bushco stole the presidency. I mean, bush and cheney really ran roughshod over the constitution. They broke so many national and international laws that it’s hard to keep count of all their reckless behavior during their two terms.

Who in their right fucking mind would vote republican and why would they want to see this country implode. Some people are so ignorant and stupid that they can’t see the forest for the trees.

Our military and government have no morality.

Our military and government have no morality.

With electronically rigged elections and persecution-by-association taking place in the US, one can only shake one’s head at the audacity of US officials pushing democracy and human rights on Chinese officials. The US might have some moral authority if it actually practiced what it preached.

With electronically rigged elections and persecution-by-association taking place in the US, one can only shake one’s head at the audacity of US officials pushing democracy and human rights on Chinese officials. The US might have some moral authority if it actually practiced what it preached.

With electronically rigged elections and persecution-by-association taking place in the US, one can only shake one’s head at the audacity of US officials pushing democracy and human rights on Chinese officials. The US might have some moral authority if it actually practiced what it preached.

With electronically rigged elections and persecution-by-association taking place in the US, one can only shake one’s head at the audacity of US officials pushing democracy and human rights on Chinese officials. The US might have some moral authority if it actually practiced what it preached.

With electronically rigged elections and persecution-by-association taking place in the US, one can only shake one’s head at the audacity of US officials pushing democracy and human rights on Chinese officials. The US might have some moral authority if it actually practiced what it preached.

With electronically rigged elections and persecution-by-association taking place in the US, one can only shake one’s head at the audacity of US officials pushing democracy and human rights on Chinese officials. The US might have some moral authority if it actually practiced what it preached.

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Intersting. Has there been rebuttals to this?

edit:
Obama said we’re fine so that’s that.

The american public are far more engaged in bread and circuses.

Intersting. Has there been rebuttals to this?

edit:
Obama said we’re fine so that’s that.

The american public are far more engaged in bread and circuses.

Intersting. Has there been rebuttals to this?

edit:
Obama said we’re fine so that’s that.

The american public are far more engaged in bread and circuses.

Intersting. Has there been rebuttals to this?

edit:
Obama said we’re fine so that’s that.

The american public are far more engaged in bread and circuses.

Intersting. Has there been rebuttals to this?

edit:
Obama said we’re fine so that’s that.

The american public are far more engaged in bread and circuses.

Intersting. Has there been rebuttals to this?

edit:
Obama said we’re fine so that’s that.

The american public are far more engaged in bread and circuses.

Your paypahs please!

Your paypahs please!

Your paypahs please!

Your paypahs please!

Your paypahs please!

Your paypahs please!

We must protect other’s rights in order to protect our own.

We must protect other’s rights in order to protect our own.

We must protect other’s rights in order to protect our own.

We must protect other’s rights in order to protect our own.

We must protect other’s rights in order to protect our own.

We must protect other’s rights in order to protect our own.

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They’re killing this young man slowly, twisting the screws behind the shield of the almighty military. I personally believe that whistleblowers, if in fact he is one, are heroic by definition. The value of the information they divulge informs the treatment they are given by those they “betray.” What they are doing to this relative child is unconscionable. Perhaps if a thousand of us show up at Quantico…

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[...] Activists delivering Bradley Manning petition held at Quantico Activist reporters who tried to deliver a petition protesting Bradley Manning’s treatment by the US military were blocked from seeing Manning and held against their will at Quantico on Sunday, while their cars were towed on seemingly flimsy pretenses, the reporters say. [...]

Funny thing – My Lai massacre’s Lt. William Calley was never incarcerated either before or after his conviction – he served his sentence in HIS OWN quarters on base. Whistleblowing has been deemed worse than mass murder.

The people where I live, in Mississippi, WANT more control; they want whatever FOX news tells them to want. They think whatever FOX tells them to think. Racist, religiously intolerant, and politically and scientifically illiterate.
It’s too bad the Dems lost their spine. They should have stood up to the repugs a long time ago.

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More like 10 thousand…. just to be safe. We really can’t count on this criminal government to do anything except stonewall and cover it’s ass.

So let’s get this straight, you are not a journalist if you investigate and obtain FACTS? True journalist only report what they are handed by government sources without verifying what they have been told? That my friend is one of the largest problems we face with the MSM. Remember Bush and Rumsfeld knew exactly where the WMD were in Iraq, they were exactly north, south, east, and west, according to Rumsfeld. We could have saved hundreds of thousands of lives and billions of dollars had the “journalist” done their job.

don’t count of the criminal government for anything… they are why he is there.

the GOP wants to do away with UN HUMAN RIGHTS……………this must be
BLACKWATER USA HOUSE of REP.ACTION COMMITTEE

Yes, you’re a journalist if you investigate and report facts OBJECTIVELY. If you take sides, you’re writing an opinion. Absolutely nothing wrong with that but it’s not reporting. Journalism has taken a nasty nose dive into the muck and has lost its way and it doesn’t help to muddy the waters even more with terms like “activist reporter.” What we need are investigative journalists with no agendas who are doggedly determined to get the truth. Not their version of the truth or the “truth” of an over-reaching and bordering on criminal giant communications corporation.

We can disagree here. I faithfully read Firedoglake and Jane Hamsher may be an activist, but she is also one heck of a journalist. Her reporting skills are superior to most and her courage standing up to and investigating those that would deceive us are superb.

Someone agrees with you. The following Global Research article entitled, “Barack Obama: As Bad as Bush” by Mike Whitney:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22917

As people should know, we have a Commander in Chief who supports these things.

Agreed. The military has just put an “economic advisor to the President” in the WH (GEs Immelt.) GE, a defense contractor, whose businesses include the nuclear energy sector, where the nuclear energy waste is “recycled” into depleted-uranium bombs, that carry enough radiation to cause cellular damage/death. Currently, the US lobs these onto innocent civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, and any other place we want to “throw away” the nuclear energy waste.

And so, beyond the tanks and helicopters, they have nuclear bombs, big and small ones. Civilians having guns will be a “cute” attempt to fight back, but simply not an effective strategy against the devastating effects of nuclear radiation on the population, should one, two, ten, etc be used to quell any massive dissent here through widespread sickness’ and illness’ making their way through significant numbers of the population, like it is has been reported in Iraq and Afghanistan after these bombs were used.

We should be complaining of Manning’s treatment to the President.

This treatment is probably the new next “industry” that will be privatized and “offer jobs”.
The land of the free and the home of the brave?

Oh sure jim, President Obama is the all knowing all seeing Oz.

That’s the problem with left wing extremists they use little facts just like the right wingers.

Perhaps the petition should have been brought to the President who is indeed the Commander in chief.

But jim wants us to believe that President Obama has some kind of crystal ball that sees all and knows all.

It never occurred to you that he doesn’t want to step on the toes of the military who haven’t exactly been supportive of the President?

Hamsher and House should deliver the petition to the White House since our military seems to think they never answer to the people who are also their bosses as we pay their wages.

When you meet up with an obstruction you take a detour.

And now that they took over the house it’s going to be difficult for the Democrats to get much accomplished.

I need to see the facts. Sometimes lawyers slant the truth, and sometimes journalists do too.

I’d like to know why the petition only went to the military and not also to our senators representatives and our president?

Please name your source(s), I’d like to read them.

I agree, but I also would like to see more posts based on facts and not wild conjectures.

First you say that “Perhaps the petition should have been brought to the President who is indeed the Commander in chief.”

Then you contradict yourself in the same post by saying “It never occurred to you that he doesn’t want to step on the toes of the military who haven’t exactly been supportive of the President?”

It’s akin to the contradictory statements made by US leaders about Wikileaks. They say: 1–Nothing revealed is news or important; or 2–It’s putting operatives lives at risk. It’s either not important news, or too risky to reveal; but it can’t be both.

Either Obama is the 1–”Commander in Chief;” or 2–he’s afraid to “step on military toes;” but it can’t be both.

There are ways around the electronic elections.

There’s absentee ballots with a paper trail twist. And it’s legal, I asked lawyers to be sure.

A few weeks before an election request an absentee ballot, and fill it out when you receive it immediately but don’t sign your name yet. Make a copy or more and take them to a notary public and sign them before witness(es) and have the N.P. and witness(es) sign only the copy or copies.

Hand delieve the original to where it’s supposed to go and tell the person in charge what you did and that you are going to hand deliver the notarized copy or copies to your candidate’s local head quarters.

There’s your paper trail. As I said it’s legal.

Just don’t tell them that.

This is nothing new. We always had people in our government and military who aren’t moral all the way back to the Revolutionary War.

But it’s up to us to keep watch over what our government is doing and letting them know what you like and don’t like.

The military and other agencies are harder to watch, but we have to keep vigilance over them too.

I just hope Hamsher and House will take the petition to the White House and tell about their experience at the military prison where they originally went to.

Write and complained to your elected officials instead of just posting. But we all have to complain.

I not only call my senators and representative, but others’ as well.

Why aren’t you doing that too?

With encouragement from us they’ll get it back, but keep in mind you really don’t want them to lower themselves to the level of the gop.

I’d like to see them become more creative when handling the gop’s lies.

Clearly you know nothing about what you are posting about.

You must be an extreme left wing, making the rest of us look bad.

Paranoia on the loose.

You had me until the last sentence. Then you lowered yourself to the blood thirsty right wingers.

I saw the newsreels of it, but what in the world has that to do with this?

Looks like the extreme left are grandstanding instead of making sense.

More grandstanding, and at least 20 people are falling for it.

Face it guys you’re not Nathan Hale.

I’d like to see you give reliable source(s) to what you posted.

For some reason the extreme left fancy themselves as Nathan Hale or Thomas Paine. But come off looking like rank amateurs.

I’m surprise this forum doesn’t float away it’s so full of hot air grand standers who love to over do it.

Sometimes the simplest of words can get more accomplished.

I am a daughter of a WWII vet and I saw first hand what war can do to a person. And that was the last war that needed to be fought.

But we have the industrial military complex who keep inventing wars. But no one is standing up to them except giving what they think are great speeches, or posts on these forums. Believe me they aren’t great at all. Just exaggerations and gibberish.

The corporations have much too much power over our government. But I blame the American people for being lazy, indifferent or ignorant over what’s been happening for far too long. Unless they wake up we won’t change much.

I also blame the left wing extremists for grandstanding instead of coming up with creative ideas on how to turn things around. I certainly haven’t seen it here.

I don’t want another family to suffer because their father and/or mother went to war and are suffering from what they experienced in that war. Believe me we are suffering.

Excellent post lottakatz.

I thought reporters were supposed to report and not give opinions. I miss those days.

I thought reporters were supposed to report and not give opinions. I miss those days.

I think we all know that. Otherwise we’d be on fnc websites.

But I feel that “activist” reporters is redundant.

I think we all know that. Otherwise we’d be on fnc websites.

But I feel that “activist” reporters is redundant.

Those are activists, not true reporters, although they are telling us of their experiences.

Those are activists, not true reporters, although they are telling us of their experiences.

We do need more like her, and less like limbaugh, beckerhead and o’reilly.

But we also need the reporters who just report and let us come to our own conclusions.

We do need more like her, and less like limbaugh, beckerhead and o’reilly.

But we also need the reporters who just report and let us come to our own conclusions.

They are behaving like Schizo Paranoids.

They are behaving like Schizo Paranoids.

Prove that. Name your source(s).

when did our President become the all knowing Oz?

Prove that. Name your source(s).

when did our President become the all knowing Oz?

Apparently it’s not only the military that’s behaving like schizo paranoids.

Apparently it’s not only the military that’s behaving like schizo paranoids.

Has this website floated away yet. It’s really full of hot air from Nathan Hale and Thomas Payne wanna be(s).

Has this website floated away yet. It’s really full of hot air from Nathan Hale and Thomas Payne wanna be(s).

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My question is this. Why would this activist have taken the petition to Quantico in the first place? I mean surely there is someplace else it could have gone too. A chain of command to follow. I doubt that until this poor kid stands trial that his jailers will let him go because some activist brought 42,000 signatures. Let’s be realistic here, it just does not work that way. As for his treatment inside the brig, I can only speculate and go by what I read, if it is indeed mistreatment, then someone should answer for his mistreatment for sure. But as another poster commented, we don’t always get BOTH sides of the story. Is the Army and our government immoral? You bet they are! Can they do things like this? Oh yes they can. Will they get away with it forever? No, they will answer to someone at some point in theirs lives and certainly after death.

“I am a daughter of a WWII vet and I saw first hand what war can do to a person.” I know exactly what you are saying. I’m not a ‘rah, rah, troops- troops can do no wrong’ kind of poster but the way the troops have been treated during the last 10 years is a crime in itself and that’s just with the endless deployments and lack of appropriate medical care. That troops have to die in their shower because a contractor cut corners and there’s no oversight … during WWII people would have gone to jail for life for war profiteering over that and getting them from the courthouse to the prisoner transport would have been done through a crowd of people brandishing nooses and 2×4′s. I can not believe what our country has become.

RonPaulisright, no, he’s not, but your posting is so I ‘liked’ it.

Seriously? Have you not been paying attention???? Pick a source. But why not go to your main man the corporate christian terrorist of the U.S.A. Obomber himself? Have you read what he said about prosecuting the corporate christian war criminals in the CIA? Have you read about what he said about the video “collateral murder”… have you read about what he said about all the other war criminals including himself? Have you read about what he has said about the torture of Bradly Manning? He is why I stopped voting. I can no longer take part in HIS and YOUR war crimes.

Who in the hell do you think is holding him???? One clue…. it ain’t me…. though it could be YOU. What could I possibly have to prove? Do you want proof that gravity exists too?
Obomber is far from “omniscient”

BTW it’s “YOUR PRESIDENT” not OUR president, I gave written notice that war criminals can no longer repeset me. How’s that criminal working out for YOU?

‘House then reported that he would not be allowed to see Manning, that his car was searched and impounded, and that a military police officer reportedly told him the orders to do so “came from on high.” ‘

In other words, the ObamaBush White Nouse. Nice. I’ll remember in 2012. Even if the opponent is Sarah Palin.

I know exactly what I am saying, the criminals were outed by him and now he is getting real bad treatment, they are breaking him down and now they are going to make an example of him so the others don’t get out of line.

He is right, this wouldn’t be happening if he was president.

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[...] be able to go to Quantico and evaluate Manning’s condition themselves: In January, two activist reporters who tried to deliver a petition protesting Manning’s treatment were detained against their [...]