here, track this DoJ:

http://www.fuckyoufascist.com

We are going to be “kept safe” right into slavery soon.

We are going to be “kept safe” right into slavery soon.

We are going to be “kept safe” right into slavery soon.

This crap isn’t stopping anytime soon is it?
What kind of mind wants all citizen’s web surfing tracked?
A mind disposed towards tyranny.

This crap isn’t stopping anytime soon is it?
What kind of mind wants all citizen’s web surfing tracked?
A mind disposed towards tyranny.

This crap isn’t stopping anytime soon is it?
What kind of mind wants all citizen’s web surfing tracked?
A mind disposed towards tyranny.

It’s too late to even think about kissing your freedom goodbye; it’s long gone.

It’s too late to even think about kissing your freedom goodbye; it’s long gone.

It’s too late to even think about kissing your freedom goodbye; it’s long gone.

I would post a comment, but I’m afraid they’ll revoke my passport.

I would post a comment, but I’m afraid they’ll revoke my passport.

I would post a comment, but I’m afraid they’ll revoke my passport.

Obama is evil.

Obama is evil.

Obama is evil.

Seems to me our government is trying to box citizens into a scenario where everyone is a criminal. Then it makes it easier for them to arrest you if you get out of line. I vote for no records retention by the service providers at all. Your communications should be protected as part of free speech; not the government’s business AT ALL!

Seems to me our government is trying to box citizens into a scenario where everyone is a criminal. Then it makes it easier for them to arrest you if you get out of line. I vote for no records retention by the service providers at all. Your communications should be protected as part of free speech; not the government’s business AT ALL!

Seems to me our government is trying to box citizens into a scenario where everyone is a criminal. Then it makes it easier for them to arrest you if you get out of line. I vote for no records retention by the service providers at all. Your communications should be protected as part of free speech; not the government’s business AT ALL!

http://www.anonymizer.com

That’s all you need to know for now.

http://www.anonymizer.com

That’s all you need to know for now.

http://www.anonymizer.com

That’s all you need to know for now.

Someone is unaware that the Justice Dept is not the Exec. branch of gov’t.

Typical of an American.

Someone is unaware that the Justice Dept is not the Exec. branch of gov’t.

Typical of an American.

Someone is unaware that the Justice Dept is not the Exec. branch of gov’t.

Typical of an American.

Storm the Bastille! Break out the guillotine.

Storm the Bastille! Break out the guillotine.

Storm the Bastille! Break out the guillotine.

Not sure how much ‘protection’ we can stand.

Soon we’ll all be protected in our own cells.

Not sure how much ‘protection’ we can stand.

Soon we’ll all be protected in our own cells.

Not sure how much ‘protection’ we can stand.

Soon we’ll all be protected in our own cells.

DoJ needs to know where all the really good porn sites are so they won’t be wasting so much time searching. Eric Holder wants to keep up to speed for his hobby. You know, cause the annoying waste of human space doesn’t really ever get around to the business of actual justice.

DoJ needs to know where all the really good porn sites are so they won’t be wasting so much time searching. Eric Holder wants to keep up to speed for his hobby. You know, cause the annoying waste of human space doesn’t really ever get around to the business of actual justice.

DoJ needs to know where all the really good porn sites are so they won’t be wasting so much time searching. Eric Holder wants to keep up to speed for his hobby. You know, cause the annoying waste of human space doesn’t really ever get around to the business of actual justice.

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Good thing I refuse to fly…I’d probably end up on the terror(read that as activist) watch list anyway. If campaigning against fracking can get you added…I’m pretty sure calling for the arrest, trial and eventual public execution of Darth Cheney and Karl Rove for high treason will also be included in the list of ‘terror related’ activities.

Good thing I refuse to fly…I’d probably end up on the terror(read that as activist) watch list anyway. If campaigning against fracking can get you added…I’m pretty sure calling for the arrest, trial and eventual public execution of Darth Cheney and Karl Rove for high treason will also be included in the list of ‘terror related’ activities.

Good thing I refuse to fly…I’d probably end up on the terror(read that as activist) watch list anyway. If campaigning against fracking can get you added…I’m pretty sure calling for the arrest, trial and eventual public execution of Darth Cheney and Karl Rove for high treason will also be included in the list of ‘terror related’ activities.

But what does that company do with your info? The president and vp of Anonymizer don’t strike me as ‘freedom from government meddling’ types.

http://www.anonymizer.com/company/management.html

But what does that company do with your info? The president and vp of Anonymizer don’t strike me as ‘freedom from government meddling’ types.

http://www.anonymizer.com/company/management.html

But what does that company do with your info? The president and vp of Anonymizer don’t strike me as ‘freedom from government meddling’ types.

http://www.anonymizer.com/company/management.html

Umm…the Department of Justice is under the Executive branch. Which branch do you think its under? Legislative, Judicial.

Typical of a foreigner. Here read up, you may learn something.

http://www.justice.gov/02organizations/about.html

Umm…the Department of Justice is under the Executive branch. Which branch do you think its under? Legislative, Judicial.

Typical of a foreigner. Here read up, you may learn something.

http://www.justice.gov/02organizations/about.html

Umm…the Department of Justice is under the Executive branch. Which branch do you think its under? Legislative, Judicial.

Typical of a foreigner. Here read up, you may learn something.

http://www.justice.gov/02organizations/about.html

Here is a list of all the Executive Departments. I don’t know how any other nations are set up, but I do know how the US system is organized.

http://www.usa.gov/Agencies/Federal/Executive.shtml

Here is a list of all the Executive Departments. I don’t know how any other nations are set up, but I do know how the US system is organized.

http://www.usa.gov/Agencies/Federal/Executive.shtml

Here is a list of all the Executive Departments. I don’t know how any other nations are set up, but I do know how the US system is organized.

http://www.usa.gov/Agencies/Federal/Executive.shtml

Wow, you’re stupid.

Wow, you’re stupid.

Wow, you’re stupid.

Real goal: Squash political dissent; obviously

Real goal: Squash political dissent; obviously

Real goal: Squash political dissent; obviously

Damn Ashcroft. Oh, he’s not there anymore?

Damn Ashcroft. Oh, he’s not there anymore?

Damn Ashcroft. Oh, he’s not there anymore?

Pass or allow this crap and my computer is going in the dumpster. Sans hard drive of course!!!

Pass or allow this crap and my computer is going in the dumpster. Sans hard drive of course!!!

Pass or allow this crap and my computer is going in the dumpster. Sans hard drive of course!!!

You are totally correct. They are making almost everything we do a crime and so by default if they want to quiet a person as you say, they will find information on them and use it to arrest them or embarrass them. It’s 1984 and it’s just the start.

You are totally correct. They are making almost everything we do a crime and so by default if they want to quiet a person as you say, they will find information on them and use it to arrest them or embarrass them. It’s 1984 and it’s just the start.

You are totally correct. They are making almost everything we do a crime and so by default if they want to quiet a person as you say, they will find information on them and use it to arrest them or embarrass them. It’s 1984 and it’s just the start.

Jason Weinstein;

How hard is the government* working to cover-up their own crimes?

Jason Weinstein;

How hard is the government* working to cover-up their own crimes?

Jason Weinstein;

How hard is the government* working to cover-up their own crimes?

Well, besides scams, what kind of crimes would the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism and Homeland Security be worried about? Sounds like more police state BS to me. All of those who sit on the couch and ignore should enjoy this one.

If we let them get away with this crap, the Supremes will use our acquiescence as evidence that we have a “lowered expectation of privacy” and will give local, state, and federal police powers carte blanche (a carte more blanche than they already have) — warrant? they won’t need no estinkin warrant.

How better to feed the prison/industrial complex?

I agree, fuck you fucking fascist tripe!

Everyone needs to bookmark that one!

That would make our work force economically competitive with the Chinese.

Exactly.
They can’t stand the fact people speak freely on the internet, or anywhere for that matter.

Track THIS you A55HOLES!!! (_!_) ! Now kiss my A55!!!

Yep, time to toss out their ability to spy on you, cell phone too.

Wow, Our surfing records. Most people that surf do so to read content. So the real deal here is they want to know what sites you visit. Visit a far left or right leaning activist site, they want to know. Stop at a site they don’t like by accident, even if you leave it right away, they want to know.

What info does the government feel they can glean from my surfing habits, whether I’m a good consumer? Hmm, maybe they want to track my comments to determine whether or not I go into one of their new prisons for speaking my mind.

A true internet scammer uses the internet to suck people into their site and requires interaction on the part of the victum. DOJ ain’t looking for victums, their looking to know where you go, what you say and last on the list is what you do.

This one goes down the revolution will not be televised as there will be no real dissent. Keystroke tracking by ISP’s will be next on the list. Ooops I take it back don’t wanna give em any extra ideas.

Couple this with the re-emergence of the whole issue of an internet “killswitch” certain senators would like to make available to the president and it becomes pretty obvious what’s going on…

Why don’t we just put the handcuffs on now and turn ourselves in? After all, at some point we’re all guilty of something. Lookout…Fascism is headed your way like a freight train. Asswipes.

“any privacy concerns about data retention should be balanced against the needs of law enforcement to keep the public safe.”

Got that exactly backwards, sport.

So totally wrong on that IP.

Tonight the US Chamber of Commerce, through their PR guy at their private business address:

Oval Office, White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington, D.C.

will give their annual message to the serfs, written by and for said US Chamber of Commerce.

Oh yeah….that latest PR guy is named Barack Obama.

To anyone who hasn’t gotten the memo yet from the Business Council, or Business Roundtable, or Financial Services Roundtable, Obama is simply the latest bankster stooge at the US Chamber of Commerce’s listed private biz address.

[Within less than 17 days, Obama has appointed the following banksters: Bill Daley, of JP Morgan Chase and on the board of Merck, Eileen Rominger of Goldman Sachs' hedge fund, and Jeffrey Immelt, of that private equity firm and hedge funds operator, GE.

Message received, loud and clear.]

Well there is always this: http://mrt.expatshield.com/tech/?from=land

Lets vote again for a Change & Transparent government.
Was that Not the Campaign BS from Obama to be elected.
We have to look at Obama’s actions and not the words which comes out of his mouth.
At least Bush and Cheney told you they were corrupted and were going to screw US.
Obama has become worst than a car salesperson.
At least you have the car when they get through with you.
Obama Spends Taxpayer Dollars to Outsource Jobs Overseas
http://www.google.com/firefox?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
**
Obama … we need to ‘have a conversation’ about Social Security.
“To preserve our long-term fiscal health, we must also address the growing costs in Medicare and Social Security. Comprehensive health care reform is the best way to strengthen Medicare for years to come. And we must also begin a conversation on how to do the same for Social Security, while creating tax-free universal savings accounts for all Americans.”
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TBF/26
**
The Obama-Bush Tax-Cuts.. Negotiating with Terrorists
http://open.salon.com/blog/kemstone/2010/12/08/the_obamabush_tax-cuts_negotiating_with_terrorists
White House Gives In On Bush Tax Cuts
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/10/white-house-gives-in-on-bush-tax-cuts_n_781992.html
**
This table lists the top donors to this candidate in the 2008 election cycle
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=n00009638
**
When Obama was asked Is your administration satisfied with the resolution of the past human rights abuses in Indonesia?” He replied:
We have to acknowledge that those past human rights abuses existed. We can’t go forward without looking backwards . . . .

But…When Obama was asked last year about whether the United States should use similar tribunals to investigate its own human rights abuses, as well his view of other countries’ efforts (such as Spain) to investigate those abuses, Obama said:

I’m a strong believer that it’s important to look forward and not backwards, and to remind ourselves that we do have very real security threats out there.
**
Alec MacGillis — Why aren’t President Obama’s job-creation efforts more direct?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/06/AR2009110601900.html?sid=ST2009110604712
**
When Robert Gibbs called “the professional left” would be “satisfied when we have Canadian healthcare”, and that this is not reality, then what does he consider “reality”?

Is his reality the belief that private commercial enterprise, has so much power over our government and political leaders that a universal public healthcare system is out of the question?

Many polls have indicated a substantial majority of the population, is in favor of universal single payer healthcare.

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Today’s AG is nothing more than the President’s personal lawyer and it has been that way for decades. Ergo, Justice has effectively become a wholly owned subsidiary of the executive.

What they are in reality doing (and this is the standard operating procedure over the past 50 years or thereabouts) is using tax payer funding to provide data to Comcast (possibly others, but primarily Comcast).

Just as when Bill Casey was appointed CIA directory by Ronald Reagan, the first thing Casey did was to classify the publicly provided earth resource data downloaded from American government-owned satellites; thereby only allowing his buddies, the Wall Streeters, and select sections of the CIA, access to the heretofore public data.

All the talk of China, few Americans realize there still exists a foreign aid program to China, primarily to build those factories, R&D labs, production facilities, etc., for American-based multinationals and corporations to offshore jobs to, and to create those new ones at.

Always been the way it works, until that time the citizenry alter it.

See Athens….see London….see Cairo.

You’d want to read Daniel Suarez’s latest two SF books, where a blueprint or template is provided:

The Daemon

Freedom (TM)

The major (undeclared) job of the DoJ is to prevent a criminal president and ex-presidents from being charged and sent to prison.

Yup, you on are the proper frequency, my friend.

The compromised anonymizer setup (a Pentagon insider loaned out some specific Anon IP addresses and routes to a political PAC) was how the Chinese Ghostnet originally penetrated the Pentagon.

Be very careful when using anonymizer……not always particularly anonymous.

Fucking assholes can’t deal with the crap they have to sift through NOW, and they want even MORE? What the fuck, over? The biggest complaint I have heard from these MORONS is that they have too much shit to look through as it is, there is NO way these fuck ups can EVER deal with a REAL threat.

Not to mention, where the FUCK is there ANY justice in this country? I think we should rename it the dept of selective prosecution, since JUSTICE has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING these fuckers are doing. You want to prove I’m wrong, DOJ? THEN PROSECUTE W AND CHENEY. Until THAT happens, YOU GOT NOTHING. And that is EXACTLY what you SHOULD get, NOTHING. Do your goddamned job and stop fucking with US, goddamnit, and go after the REAL law breakers. You sat by and did NOTHING to take down Delay, the clearest example of what a congress person should NOT be, you have ignored admitted war crimes and crimes against the human community, and yet you want to spy on US? FUCK YOU! AND THE GODDAMNED HORSE YOU RODE IN ON. How DARE you call yourselves AMERICANS!

President Pootie Tang is much further to the right than was George W. Bush and this proves it.

Go ahead and say what you REALLY think. They won’t censor you here, and I doubt anyone will disagree with you.

See:

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/01/25/1643241/Third-of-Content-On-Popular-BT-Portals-Are-Fake
“The PDF report, which can be found here, shows that 90 per cent of these publishers are driven by non-altruistic incentives, like trying to tempt users into downloading malware or visiting a particular website.”

PDF report here:

http://redirectingat.com/?id=389X622&xs=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fconferences.sigcomm.org%2Fco-next%2F2010%2FCoNEXT_papers%2F11-Cuevas.pdf&sref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.itproportal.com%2F2011%2F01%2F25%2Fnearly-third-content-popular-bittorrent-portals-are-fake%2F%23

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Can I be a moderator, Jason? Do you supply M & M’s, Dr. Pepper, Screamin’ Yellow Zonkers? Oooops, I was thinking of a narc.

Can I be a moderator, Jason? Do you supply M & M’s, Dr. Pepper, Screamin’ Yellow Zonkers? Oooops, I was thinking of a narc.

Remember the old days, when law enforcement had to get a court order and then do the listening and recording themselves? What’s that called again when you can’t tell where corporate interests end and government ones begin?

Remember the old days, when law enforcement had to get a court order and then do the listening and recording themselves? What’s that called again when you can’t tell where corporate interests end and government ones begin?

This is ridiculous. At this rate, it’s only a matter of months before we’ll have to submit a report every time we pass gas.

This is ridiculous. At this rate, it’s only a matter of months before we’ll have to submit a report every time we pass gas.

I call this terrorism. They are making the people afraid. The state will be watching as we navigate to electronicintefada or wikileaks. There will be harassment, people who correspond with a palestinian will be arrested for espionage. This is a very dangerous act.

I call this terrorism. They are making the people afraid. The state will be watching as we navigate to electronicintefada or wikileaks. There will be harassment, people who correspond with a palestinian will be arrested for espionage. This is a very dangerous act.

Stop visiting Wikileaks, or we’ll go public about that naughty little web site you’ve been visiting.

Stop visiting Wikileaks, or we’ll go public about that naughty little web site you’ve been visiting.

I’ve got a sandbox/safe run of any and all applications, but I don’t use them. Whose afraid of the big bad wolf? Let him huff and puff and blow it out his ass!

I’ve got a sandbox/safe run of any and all applications, but I don’t use them. Whose afraid of the big bad wolf? Let him huff and puff and blow it out his ass!

They’ll spend shitmounds of cash to pass this bullshit and administer the data retention, and it’s all negated by a simple TOR proxy. govfail

They’ll spend shitmounds of cash to pass this bullshit and administer the data retention, and it’s all negated by a simple TOR proxy. govfail

Way to Libs, this really helps us civil libertarians. More Obama copying Bush.

Way to Libs, this really helps us civil libertarians. More Obama copying Bush.

Not if every one takes a stand against Obama’s Bush-like scams.

The third term of George W. Bush rolls on.

MPC

Monitoring
Precedes
Control

MPC

I think all citizens should be forced to wear bicycle helmets with surveillance cameras mounted on top, recording everything they and others around them do, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. We should have a mandatory 7pm curfew, and everyone should submit urine samples every morning to their local authorities. Can’t be too safe, ya know!*

*edited to point out to all who are afraid of their own shadows that the above comment was intended as sarcasm.

Once you surrender your right to privacy and innocence until proven guilty, you are then ALL GUILTY!!!!

btw, they probably already track all of our traffic, now they just need legal precedence to file and store it.

Maybe when O’Bumbler takes office he’ll stop all this Big Brother encroachment.

Wait a second…

Law enforcement is hampered by a “legal regime that does not require providers to retain non-content data for any period of time” while investigators must request records on a case-by-case basis through the courts, he said.”

As long as the retention is NONCONTENT and the Feds STILL ne to get court approval I’m good with setting a standard retention policy. The nano second that they require content retention will be the day that I take to the streets!

Public safety is the wedge of tyrants and despots. Big brother or the borg, however you want to view it, continues to oppress, at an ever increasing voracious rate. It’s time to put law enforcement, and government, on a data diet.

Today, the internet provides data that a decade ago might well have been in the form of a hard copy, such as notes, letters, wiretap recordings, ledgers, etc. Preserving internet traffic for a period of time, say 12 months seems reasonable. I support privacy, but there does seem to be a need for a reasonable compromise here.

It’s the same as asking a party to record the name of the sender and recipient of a letter. Should the Post Office be required to provide a log of letters delivered, when, where, from whom, and to whom on demand? Would people find that acceptable? What is private? What the government holds and knows is always so, as the evidence is abundant, yet more and more the citizen finds that his communications and self are subject to further and more invasive intrusions in the name of security.

Why should we believe that they aren’t doing this right now?
It smells like a planted story.

I mean, what was that scary stat from the WaPo article recently on the growing secrecy state? Something like, every day the NSA collects & stores 1.7 billion (with a *b*) email messages, phone calls & other types of communication?
So, again. why should we think they aren’t doing this now?

>>>John Morris, general counsel at the non-profit Center for Democracy & Technology, said mandatory data retention “raises serious privacy and free speech concerns.”<<<<

Raises serious… concerns???? No shit!!! OMG!! What's that swirling? Nothing for you to worry about it's just our civil rights being used as toilet paper and flushed.

Just when they pushed beyond the line and the pale they just can't help themselves and have to break our own laws that have been in place for 200 years. Isn't that quaint? f-ing f-ers.

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You vill haz no freedums und you vill likez eet!

Go move to some freaking nation that is already a tyranny. My forefathers shed their BLOOD for Liberty and pussy ass shits like you are selling it out!

No. If Bush had tried this there’d have been actual protests. Instead Demonrat apologists are trying to make it sound “reasonable”.

Methane IS a greenhouse gas! Have you paid your fart tax “citizen”?

ROFLMAO!
Welcome to the FAIL TRAIN “DesertSun”

The Justice Dept IS INDEED a part of the Executive branch. So stop apologizing for Obama and his fascistos.

What did Archie Bunker say? “If you ain’t got nuttin’ to hide, you don’t need no privacy!”

wow that sounds like innovation

Exactly right.

How often have we heard that argument though since 9-11? When it’s put that way it sounds so reasonable and benign except that we had a perfectly good Amendment to the Constitution ( a couple of them actually) that covered that situation and said that we have, as a right, privacy unless there is just cause and due process for the state to intrude on that privacy.

Overwhelmingly whenever the needs of law enforcement have been balanced against the rights of the citizenry, the weight has been given to the needs (‘wants’ really) of law enforcement and our rights have been diminished more and more. In another generation they will be but memories and the Bill of Rights a document read for the sake of intellectual curiosity only.

“JD seeks to have all web surfing tracked”

THEY ALREADY ARE!! REMEMBER TOTAL INFORMATION AWARENESS? WHAT’S THE DIFF? They’re not coming to get you. They are already here. They’re just trying to work out the bugs so they can make themselves immune from crimes already committed. Remember Torture??

Yes indeedy. You are correct sir. They just need the “law” to catch up for them to file it as evidence in court, when necessary.

Obama is just the Nazis trojan horse carrying on the Bush agenda.

They want to track and trace everything and Obama wants the power to shut down the net without any form of court oversight. Americans need to wake up and realize that a wolf sometimes comes in sheep’s clothing.

Excuse me, the 5th amendment would like to have a word with you.

“..to keep the public safe.”

..i don’t know about you, but I’M all warm & fuzzy, just thinking about it.

/facepalm

yay, bureaucracy!

Actually, that’s the one civil right I was still using, so, uh, yeah, this is awkward.

[...] Justice Department seeks to have all web surfing tracked | Raw Story. [...]

Everyone is bitching about Obama might do this, but they don’t mention that if mcSenile and the Bimbo had been elected, this would already be in place. (along with continuing the recession and starting a new war with Iran)

ah i see. guess that explains why “corporate privacy” is such a big ticker item then…

a hard copy of a letter mailed through snail mail is protected by law. No one can open it, not even “law”l enforcement agencies without a warrant. Wire tapping again a warrant is needed.

your information and correspondence on the internet is being gathered, open, read and circulated without any oversight or attempt at legal justification.

they are retroactively putting in the laws to protect their asses for what they already been doing for YEARS.

They will never define NON-CONTENT. It will then come as a SURPRISE to you.
Whamo!

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You sound just like the republicans who bitched about Clinton 8 years in to Bush’s term. The Obama justice department is a threat to our freedom, actually moreso than Bush’s justice department. Focus on that and stop picking sides. They all suck.

The NSA is already stealing & storing this data illegally.

And don’t forget obummer said we need to have “blanket amnesty for illegals” (it’s not the kids fault that their parents broke the law), he just wants to win their votes…..fuckem, I can’t even stand to hear his voice anymore…….makes my ears explode !!

RawStorage is your FREE SPEECH ZONE. Your precious attempts at revolution are simply sanitized masterbation deposited here. None of your thoughts will ever reach the ‘real world’, and everything from http://www.rawstory.com is already discredited as the speech of crack pots. While you are all subjected to anti-Obama shills who haven’t a strategy except voting for psychopaths-all-of-them Republicans. NONE of whom have tried to distance themselves from Bush; NONE of whom have gone into REHAB; All of them like Tom Delay who laughs at you in his own mug shoot, whispering to you ‘the fix is in; I will never serve time; The fix is IN!’

And don’t forget blanket amnesty, ( it’s not the kids fault that their parents brokr the law) he just wants their votes..fuck’em, I can’t stand to hear his voice anymore…makes my ears explode from to many lie’s and bullshit !!

That doesn’t help obscure your web traffic but if you want an even better private search engine with a proxy try http://www.startpage.com/ there is even a Firefox addon to use it in your browser.

I thought all of this was already in place. Did Bush take it with him somehow?

Anyway, not to worry, somebody somewhere will file a complaint and that will take care of that, maybe the ACLU will “SLAAAAAAAAAAMMMM” the decision by the Justice Dept to do this. And then Raw Story will inform us that the Justice Dept just got “SLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMEDDDDDD” !!!! by the ACLU.

Obviously I can’t wait for the slam. C’mon slam. Any minute now.

Justice Department seeks to have all web surfing tracked | Raw Story…

Here at World Spinner we are debating the same thing……

no offense, but that line of thinking is useless and does nothing to better our situation.

Indeed, and future presidents or any administration officials, save for occasionally designated fall-guys.

Remind me, who is claiming that the Obama administration is “liberal?”

They want to track us? Fine. Every one should make an effort to go to some jihad website at least once a day. I Find JihadiSluts.com to be very informative and entertaining.

That’s the plan, isn’t it?

How can we tell them enough is enough? I and everyone I know are not afraid of a made up boogieman. This is anti-American it goes against everything we stand for. It encompasses all that we have criticized other nations for years. If they think there is a criminal using the internet they should have to get a warrant. If a crime has just happened all the ISP’s will have the data as it is now. The RIAA seems to have no problem getting IP addresses and their history now. This will also make our internet even more expensive than it is now. Enough with this security theater nonsense. I want my freedom back, how about you? I do not want to live in a nation like China and North Korea but that is where these asses are taking us. But when it comes to Government, they want their privacy as all the world can see with Wikileaks, they are willing to kill to keep theirs. State secrets for them, none for us. There is something very wrong with this!

“Data retention is fundamental to the department’s work in investigating and prosecuting almost every type of crime,”

And the crimes that are to soon be implemented.

HERE’S SOME DATA TO KEEP ON FILE: BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH AND BLAH.

And who is going to pay the millions of dollars for all the data centers to store this data?
ISP’s? Then they have less money to spend on infrastructure.

Let’s see… If someone robs a bank and gets away in a car, it would be nice if the highway could record their get away. So there should be requirement that all highways and streets be able to track every automobile by license number and save that data – just in case. License plate scanners are already in police cars so installing them on every street corner would be a simple task. It would even be possible to verify the time it takes for each car to get from one point to another and if the time was too short a speeding ticket could be sent automatically.

Some crimes are done by mail so the post office should track every piece of mail we send and receive and keep the data on file – just in case.

The DVR in your cable box can report back your viewing habits in case you spend too much time viewing the wrong TV shows.

Phone records must be maintained so all of our calls can be monitored in case we make an illegal phone call. Of course that means the actual content of our calls must be monitored using voice recognition to detect key words. That already has been done for calls coming in from overseas starting with the Bush administration.

Records of what library books we check out must be kept on file as well.

After all, we must be kept “safe”.

If you have the IP address you can see the content. Even if the content changes sites like google cache the old data. You can get to many old web pages from a google search for instance.

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What does that have to with enforcing laws?

yeah everyone likes doing shady things on the internet–that doesnt make it ok

What situation? You wont be able to steal movies anymore? Or talk to underage girls?

Awwwwww

Threat to your freedom to commit crime online?

Thats not how it works.

The right to privacy has always been implied but isnt in the Constitution.

You dont have to use the internet and even when you do, you dont have to break the law online.

Thats a terrible argument youre grasping at.

Only a person who is neither a liberal nor stayed awake during his middle school civics class could possibly miss the connection between “enforcing laws” and the Bill of Rights, civil liberties, and extra-judicial surveillance.

Did you pause to think before your pressed the “post” button?

most of you are panicking over nothing–they cant force these companies to maintain massive databases of web traffic info indefinitely.

And Americans are too lazy to even read the computer reports that sorted through that data.

God forbid you have to stop stealing music, porn and movies….ooohhhh nnnoooo my freedoms

“they cant force these companies to maintain massive databases of web traffic info indefinitely.”

Sure they can! All they have to do is pass a law.

There are already data retention laws.

“And Americans are too lazy to even read the computer reports that sorted through that data.”

Nobody needs to read the computer reports. They are stored without being read until evidence is necessary. Then they are retrieved using software (wow I had to look for days for that file? Huh? these are computers!).

“ooohhhh nnnoooo my freedoms ”

Yes indeed OH NO your freedoms when you are denied health benefits because of your web browsing history. OH NO your freedoms when they cut off your Internet access because you said something that made someone uncomfortable. OH NO It will NEVER happen to me!

No they will just raise their rates

Don’t forget the video camera on your XBox 360 that’s viewing everything that happens in your living room and shooting it back to Redmond.

Yes the cops have a very tough job, fighting crime. We need to help them out by passing laws against opaque walls. Nobody ever has anything to hide so we should all use glass for walls. Envelopes should be illegal, they are just hiding something. Really clothes are just hiding places for weapons, we need to be naked all the time. Hey if you think this is crazy, you sould listen to those TSA security people sometime, this is just what they sound like.

Don’t forget the video camera on your XBox 360 that’s viewing everything that happens in your living room and shooting it back to Redmond.

Yes the cops have a very tough job, fighting crime. We need to help them out by passing laws against opaque walls. Nobody ever has anything to hide so we should all use glass for walls. Envelopes should be illegal, they are just hiding something. Really clothes are just hiding places for weapons, we need to be naked all the time. Hey if you think this is crazy, you sould listen to those TSA security people sometime, this is just what they sound like.

Don’t forget the video camera on your XBox 360 that’s viewing everything that happens in your living room and shooting it back to Redmond.

Yes the cops have a very tough job, fighting crime. We need to help them out by passing laws against opaque walls. Nobody ever has anything to hide so we should all use glass for walls. Envelopes should be illegal, they are just hiding something. Really clothes are just hiding places for weapons, we need to be naked all the time. Hey if you think this is crazy, you sould listen to those TSA security people sometime, this is just what they sound like.

What does unwarranted data retention have to do with enforcing laws?

What does unwarranted data retention have to do with enforcing laws?

What does unwarranted data retention have to do with enforcing laws?

I’m not sure how it works in whatever country you’re from. But here we operate under a presumption of innocence.

I’m not sure how it works in whatever country you’re from. But here we operate under a presumption of innocence.

I’m not sure how it works in whatever country you’re from. But here we operate under a presumption of innocence.

IDIOT

This is just a sucker ploy by computer manufacturers to sell expensive gear. Follow the money and you will find someone who stands to make big $$$ if this gets implemented.

You are an unthinking sucker..

IDIOT

This is just a sucker ploy by computer manufacturers to sell expensive gear. Follow the money and you will find someone who stands to make big $$$ if this gets implemented.

You are an unthinking sucker..

IDIOT

This is just a sucker ploy by computer manufacturers to sell expensive gear. Follow the money and you will find someone who stands to make big $$$ if this gets implemented.

You are an unthinking sucker..

these paranoid idiots can’t stop the tsunami coming their way… they can sense it much like brute animals can sense an earthquake before it actually occurs… but there is nothing they can do about it except persecute their perceived enemies.

these paranoid idiots can’t stop the tsunami coming their way… they can sense it much like brute animals can sense an earthquake before it actually occurs… but there is nothing they can do about it except persecute their perceived enemies.

these paranoid idiots can’t stop the tsunami coming their way… they can sense it much like brute animals can sense an earthquake before it actually occurs… but there is nothing they can do about it except persecute their perceived enemies.

You need protection from yourselves! So sad when freedoms are lost because of ignorance and deceptions. The biggest threat to national security – is the government itself! When they fear the very populous they’re installed by, one has to think that something is very, very – wrong!

You need protection from yourselves! So sad when freedoms are lost because of ignorance and deceptions. The biggest threat to national security – is the government itself! When they fear the very populous they’re installed by, one has to think that something is very, very – wrong!

You need protection from yourselves! So sad when freedoms are lost because of ignorance and deceptions. The biggest threat to national security – is the government itself! When they fear the very populous they’re installed by, one has to think that something is very, very – wrong!

“Thats not how it works. ”

Here is how it works:

you are denied health insurance because there are photos of you on vacation (Yes it happened).

you are cut off from the internet and lose your job because someone misinterprets what you say (yes it happened).

You are sued and all your assets are attached because your ISP uses dynamic IP allocation and they told the RIAA that YOU copied that song, even though it was your neighbor (yes it happened).

Your ex-wife gets an injunction against you because her lawyer finds “incriminating evidence” in your browsing history (yes it happened)

Watch your liberty and your rights go right out the window. And to think that you actually like this? WOW.

“Thats not how it works. ”

Here is how it works:

you are denied health insurance because there are photos of you on vacation (Yes it happened).

you are cut off from the internet and lose your job because someone misinterprets what you say (yes it happened).

You are sued and all your assets are attached because your ISP uses dynamic IP allocation and they told the RIAA that YOU copied that song, even though it was your neighbor (yes it happened).

Your ex-wife gets an injunction against you because her lawyer finds “incriminating evidence” in your browsing history (yes it happened)

Watch your liberty and your rights go right out the window. And to think that you actually like this? WOW.

“Thats not how it works. ”

Here is how it works:

you are denied health insurance because there are photos of you on vacation (Yes it happened).

you are cut off from the internet and lose your job because someone misinterprets what you say (yes it happened).

You are sued and all your assets are attached because your ISP uses dynamic IP allocation and they told the RIAA that YOU copied that song, even though it was your neighbor (yes it happened).

Your ex-wife gets an injunction against you because her lawyer finds “incriminating evidence” in your browsing history (yes it happened)

Watch your liberty and your rights go right out the window. And to think that you actually like this? WOW.

US Constitution, be damned! When the US Constitution fails to exist, the USA fails to exist.

US Constitution, be damned! When the US Constitution fails to exist, the USA fails to exist.

US Constitution, be damned! When the US Constitution fails to exist, the USA fails to exist.

US Constitution, be damned! When the US Constitution fails to exist, the USA fails to exist.

AMEN!

I am not suggesting illegal access or access without a warrant. But data must be preserved to be accessed later. If we do not have some legal framework for preserving electronic data for some period of time we will be worse off than before technology came into play. Of course, there must be safeguards and stiff criminal penalities for abuse, but instant vanishing of data only invites criminal activity.

No one is proffering illegal access to data. Using childish language and simple minded knee jerk reactions to complex questions more often than not results in poor results. The world is not like the old west anymore or those “B” action movies. What is required is a reasonable framework that protects privacy but does not make criminal activity on the web literally eraseable.

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Right on!

but the constitution has never in actuality been applied here. as i seem to have to write daily, even that vicious indian-killer george washington said, “a democratic society cannot long exist in the presence of a standing army.” and that was 235 years of standing army ago. and as the indian wars only ended in 1900, we’ve had barely 40 years of peace here, if you call that ‘peace.’

freedom and democracy? no, fiefdom and demockery. any reader of history should see clearly that the praetorian guard just allows caesar and senate to pose as if they had power; which they decidedly do not. pentagon always gets its way or else. when i hear it said that the US is sinking into fascism; just have to laugh. always was fascist. mussolini said, “fascism should more properly be called corporatism as it is the merger of governmental and industrial powers.” sound familiar? those with the most guns and money rule. if we really want freedom and democracy; we mut overthrow, disarm and demilitarize the evil empires around us worldwide.

jefferson said “the people should not fear the government; the government should fear the people.” that has in reality never been the case here.

who thinks that any of the companies would have to be forced to super-surveil us all? most of the big ISPs are owned by one of the mega-conglomerates owned by the ultra-rich rightwingers, while morons call it ‘the liberal media.’ google, microsoft, yahoo have long played ball with the CCCP of the PRC and the US govt in suppressing and spying on their peoples. 22 secretist cabals in the US govt, pentaon, NSA, NRO, CIA, FBI, SS, DARPA, DHS, TSA, AIA, AFIA, NIA, DIA, NASA etcetera… employing over 850,000 traitors, mass-murderers, torturers. what will it take to shut these all down? hack them to pieces NOW! spill every single secret! start the trials!

Say perhaps like the Bolsheviks?

Say perhaps like the Bolsheviks?

sometimes we disagree, howie, but not this time… back in 1997, i was having a discussion with the two smartest people i’ve ever known in a cabin in the mountains of virginia. we considered what we would do were we the shadow govt of pentagon/NSA/CIA/FBi etc. to achieve their wish-list. the script we foresaw was precisely 911, right down to WTC. and that didn’t require a crystal ball. all we forecast as the result… the endless wars, torture, destruction of what few rights remained and the spying have indeed come to pass.

and we also considered just how many serious activist dissidents would be rounded up and disappeared: 300,000 was the number.

and little reported, in the overwhelmingly passed ‘military commissions act of 2005,’ two provisions… the dissolution of constitution’s ‘guarantee’ of posse comitatus that military foces never be applied to the US citizenry… and a no-bid deal for cheney’s HKBR to build exactly 300,000 new, somewhat secreted cells in prison-packed america. there are now over 400,000 on the no-fly and many more on the potential terrorist list…

then in about 2006-7 the DoJ did an unprecedented ‘sweep’ roundup. they claimed they were rounding up “hardened, dangerous criminals on the lam from the law.” but it wasn’t surprising when that turned out to be a total lie. a handful were for violent crimes; none for murder. most were deadbeat dads or potheads. many had no idea there ever were outstanding warrants for their arrests and the whole thing reeked of disregarding the old condition that ‘innocent until proven guilty.’ they rounded up 10,000 the first weekend and 12,000 the second.

how long would it take them to round up 300,000? well, with CIA/MI6 help; the french killed 49,000 algerian rebels in a single weekend. listen closely for that special knock on the door at night…

sometimes we disagree, howie, but not this time… back in 1997, i was having a discussion with the two smartest people i’ve ever known in a cabin in the mountains of virginia. we considered what we would do were we the shadow govt of pentagon/NSA/CIA/FBi etc. to achieve their wish-list. the script we foresaw was precisely 911, right down to WTC. and that didn’t require a crystal ball. all we forecast as the result… the endless wars, torture, destruction of what few rights remained and the spying have indeed come to pass.

and we also considered just how many serious activist dissidents would be rounded up and disappeared: 300,000 was the number.

and little reported, in the overwhelmingly passed ‘military commissions act of 2005,’ two provisions… the dissolution of constitution’s ‘guarantee’ of posse comitatus that military foces never be applied to the US citizenry… and a no-bid deal for cheney’s HKBR to build exactly 300,000 new, somewhat secreted cells in prison-packed america. there are now over 400,000 on the no-fly and many more on the potential terrorist list…

then in about 2006-7 the DoJ did an unprecedented ‘sweep’ roundup. they claimed they were rounding up “hardened, dangerous criminals on the lam from the law.” but it wasn’t surprising when that turned out to be a total lie. a handful were for violent crimes; none for murder. most were deadbeat dads or potheads. many had no idea there ever were outstanding warrants for their arrests and the whole thing reeked of disregarding the old condition that ‘innocent until proven guilty.’ they rounded up 10,000 the first weekend and 12,000 the second.

how long would it take them to round up 300,000? well, with CIA/MI6 help; the french killed 49,000 algerian rebels in a single weekend. listen closely for that special knock on the door at night…

You mean to tell me they’re not doing that already? Wow! They’re falling behind. At this rate, the conversion may not be complete by 2012.

And here’s one thing I’ve learned about governments everywhere: by the time they announce they’re going to do something, they’ve been doing it for years. If they admit to a certain figure (i.e. bail out, war budget, etc.), you can multiply that figure by at least 3 to come close to reality.

You mean to tell me they’re not doing that already? Wow! They’re falling behind. At this rate, the conversion may not be complete by 2012.

And here’s one thing I’ve learned about governments everywhere: by the time they announce they’re going to do something, they’ve been doing it for years. If they admit to a certain figure (i.e. bail out, war budget, etc.), you can multiply that figure by at least 3 to come close to reality.

What tsunami? You mean Comcast new rates now that the own one half of the ‘entertainment’ industry, right?

What tsunami? You mean Comcast new rates now that the own one half of the ‘entertainment’ industry, right?

Wanna bet? Google has in its servers every single search ever done by anyone anywhere beginning with the first back when they were running it from a college dorm. And they quite pride themselves in it. Better yet, they have a General Counsel who prides himself on doing nothing but scouting for “dangerous” activities thru Goggle so that he can turn them over to the FBI. He masturbates every time he is called to court to testify on behalf of Google.

Wanna bet? Google has in its servers every single search ever done by anyone anywhere beginning with the first back when they were running it from a college dorm. And they quite pride themselves in it. Better yet, they have a General Counsel who prides himself on doing nothing but scouting for “dangerous” activities thru Goggle so that he can turn them over to the FBI. He masturbates every time he is called to court to testify on behalf of Google.

I guess you haven’t seen the cameras on the highways and every traffic light inside the cities yet, eh?

And you don’t know about that special technology the cops are now using which scans (and saves the information) license plates as cars go back against a massive national database which includes the FBI in a matter of seconds, eh?

It appears that you don’t know that, under Bush, the government made it legal to riffle thru the citizens mail without a warrant.

Sounds like you’ve never heard them taping your phone conversation (yes, you can hear background noise, your own voice and, at times, they have an oops! moment and may even reply the conversation). They monitor all lines with a software which looks for key words like “bomb” and automatically activates the taping. The same holds true for e-mails.

Library books? Are you kidding? What do you think that library card is for? And if you don’t have one, you can’t take out books.

There, I hope I clarified that for you since you seemed to be slighlty confused.

I guess you haven’t seen the cameras on the highways and every traffic light inside the cities yet, eh?

And you don’t know about that special technology the cops are now using which scans (and saves the information) license plates as cars go back against a massive national database which includes the FBI in a matter of seconds, eh?

It appears that you don’t know that, under Bush, the government made it legal to riffle thru the citizens mail without a warrant.

Sounds like you’ve never heard them taping your phone conversation (yes, you can hear background noise, your own voice and, at times, they have an oops! moment and may even reply the conversation). They monitor all lines with a software which looks for key words like “bomb” and automatically activates the taping. The same holds true for e-mails.

Library books? Are you kidding? What do you think that library card is for? And if you don’t have one, you can’t take out books.

There, I hope I clarified that for you since you seemed to be slighlty confused.

# 4 Set up an internal surveillance system. We’re on the road.

# 4 Set up an internal surveillance system. We’re on the road.

Nobody, they sell it to marketers just like Google and the others do.

Nobody, they sell it to marketers just like Google and the others do.

whatever it takes. bolsheviks were like the german nazis, backed by a
cabal of rich american industrialists and i don’t expect that they will
back what needs to be done here and elsewhere as it is distinctly
anti-corporatist in nature. some would say that backing communist
revolution was backing anti-corporates but not really. as the 13 year
long happy marriage of walmart-china shows, these two slave-systems are
wholly compatible, even to the extent of disallowing unions. seems to me
that the only way to dethrone the powers that be worldwide requires a
global grassroots movement; as non-violent as possible; as self-defense
and guerilla as necessary. this seems to be starting to take shape with
such as wikileaks and the uprisings in the middle east. sparks will
start to fly here when the economy fully tanks; food riots and martial
law set in… even sheeple don’t tend to like watching their families
hungry.

whatever it takes. bolsheviks were like the german nazis, backed by a
cabal of rich american industrialists and i don’t expect that they will
back what needs to be done here and elsewhere as it is distinctly
anti-corporatist in nature. some would say that backing communist
revolution was backing anti-corporates but not really. as the 13 year
long happy marriage of walmart-china shows, these two slave-systems are
wholly compatible, even to the extent of disallowing unions. seems to me
that the only way to dethrone the powers that be worldwide requires a
global grassroots movement; as non-violent as possible; as self-defense
and guerilla as necessary. this seems to be starting to take shape with
such as wikileaks and the uprisings in the middle east. sparks will
start to fly here when the economy fully tanks; food riots and martial
law set in… even sheeple don’t tend to like watching their families
hungry.

ever hear of a thing called the 1st amendment? how about ‘life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness’? and have you ever read what jefferson had to say about tyranny and how it uses victimless crimes as laws? and he also said “only criminals and tyrants require secrecy.” and that is our government. it now has 22 secretist cabals employing over 850,000 traitors to spy on and oppress us and not tell us peons a thing about what they are really doing with our money and lives in their shadowy realm of pentagon/NSA/CIA/FBI/NRO/AIA/AFIA/NIA/DIA/DARA/SS/NASA, etc.

again, twas jefferson said, “a people should not live in fear of their government; rather the government should be afraid of its people.” time to make the evil empire tremble and for us to no longer have to worry about that particular knock on the late-night door.

in about 1995, some new zealanders exposed the NSA’s global surveilance program ‘echelon.’ and in 1997, FBI started ‘carnivore.’ right you are, guy. they know which hand you use…

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Well geeze – thanks for the education.

I recently saw a demo of the police car license scanners in action, and the last traffic ticket I got was because my license plate was too dirty for the scanner to read.

I worked with a lady who’s husband installed speed cameras along the interstates. They take a photo of your license plate and they automatically mail you a speeding ticket. Since I’ve never received a ticket from one of these I’m guessing either they only trigger if you are going really fast – or they haven’t begun activating them yet.

Bush’s phone monitoring system involves having computers listen to the traffic. They can detect certain key words and will raise a flag if you are using them. You can’t tell you are being monitored. If you are hearing stuff on the line, it isn’t from the automated system. Somone local is monitoring your calls. What did you do to get them interested in you?

The automated equipment is installed at the points where international cables come into the US. As far as I know they are not using it domestically yet, though the way the phone system works, a call from New York to California for example can be routed through England or South America or wherever depending on traffic so it will go through the system.

Not that many years ago long distance calls were often sent in analog form by satellite. If you had a big satellite dish (I did) and tuned to the right satellite and transponder you could hear this quacky sounding gibberish. Anyone with a decent shortwave receiver like my old Hallicrafters SX100 could connect the radio’s antenna input to the satellite receiver’s video out jack, set the short wave radio to detect SSB and you could tune into one sided phone conversations. Today most of this traffic is on fiber and in digital form so DIY snooping is no longer possible. It takes direct access to the fiber and specialized equipment to do that now.

So thanks again for clarifying things for little old dummy me.

How about open records of what the unaudited Justice Department, CIA, and the FBI do in case they commit a crime? How much sarcasm can be mustered for groups of government individuals that pretty much do whatever they want in a complete shroud of secrecy from the American people on the taxpayers dime. Really it’s OK to accept the Hollywood version defining the body of their work these days. Next time the CIA decides to drop bombs on Yemen using unmanned drones, it would be nice to follow the electronic mail related to the approved killings in the name of making the US safe. For example, the American people under the pretense that we give our consent of the governed deserve to understand the forethought that went into these attacks and the comprehension of the de-valued civilians population in this new targeted undeclared US war zone. .

[...] He said Internet records are often “the only available evidence that allows us to investigate who committed crimes on the Internet.” Internet and phone records can be “crucial evidence” in a wide array of cases, including child exploitation, violent crime, fraud, terrorism, public corruption, drug trafficking, online piracy and computer hacking, Weinstein said, but only if the data still exists when law enforcement needs it. READ MORE… [...]

U.S. attorney general Eric Holder : “The threat has changed from simply worrying about foreigners coming here, to worrying about people in the United States, American citizens — raised here, born here, and who for whatever reason, have decided that they are going to become radicalized and take up arms against the nation in which they were born,”

After see this video I happen to agree with him that According to the 2010 census we have now 308,745,538 citizens involved in suspicious activities using Wal-Mart as the base for operations.

http://www.naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=5A4B5D4B84344D5D9CBD262A53D8B071

So if I understand this moronic statement, we are now the terrorists. According to the 2010 census we are now 308,745,538 terrorists. So the government officials that are supposed to protect us from the terrorists are now twisting this and are saying we are the terrorists.

However, if you are an investor like I am, there is a huge investment opportunity in all this. Think about these government agencies keeping information about 308,745,538 individuals and keep in mind that since they are not very competent they will store the same data a minimum of 15 times (low estimate). So, investing in corporations that manufacture electronic storage (hardware) and electronic indexing of all this data (software) looks pretty good!

You have to understand that this investment will be short term until 2012 (elections – time to sell) after which all this will be ridiculed and canceled in no time at all.

Well geeze – thanks for the education.

Don’t mention it. What are friends for? :)

I recently saw a demo of the police car license scanners in action, and the last traffic ticket I got was because my license plate was too dirty for the scanner to read.

Muaaa haaa…Nothing wrong with that!

,b>they only trigger if you are going really fast – or they haven’t begun activating them yet.

Depending on where you live, they may have been de-activated because of budget constraints. Ha ha! Funny how the money thing is what triggers it yet what can kill it.

You can’t tell you are being monitored.

Yes, you can. At least, I can. I’ve also spoken to other people who’ve had the entire conversation replied back to them by accident.

If you are hearing stuff on the line, it isn’t from the automated system.

Ok, sure.

What did you do to get them interested in you?

Isn’t something like posting on this site enough? In addition to other activities (which used to be quite legal) such as supporting Amnesty International, protesting at the School of Assissins, demonstrating in front of the Israeli embassy, I happen to be on the DHS blanket “terrorist” list by virtue of my national origin. My country of birth has me labeled the same way because I live in the US. Go figure, eh?

So thanks again for clarifying things for little old dummy me.

My pleasure. I know I can never, ever compare to the superior intellect of a gringo, I forget about that from time to time and make a booboo.

What the government is proposing here is a threat no only to freedom of speech, but freedom of association. There is no justifiable reason for treating internet surfing and communications, en masse, any differently from books people read or letters they mail, and tracking such activities, especially of U.S. citizens, should be subject to a warrant, issued in the event there is reasonable suspicion that criminal activity may be taking place.

It may be well intentioned now — and indeed, I think Attorney General Holder’s motivations are above board. The problem, however, is that once this precedent is set, it can far too easily be co-opted by a future administration whose motivations might not be so noble. And that is a scary prospect.

This is possibly a case of evil beginning with good intentions, or of using evil to do good. In both cases the result is evil wins.

2.08 billion people use the web,do we really have the money to track that? Tech companies don’t do this shit for free!

2.08 billion people use the web,do we really have the money to track that? Tech companies don’t do this shit for free!

Opening your mail, reading your email, looking at what sites you browse on the Internet, digging through your garbage in the dumpster. Why don’t these psychos get a real life and leave everyone else alone. The government has a bad reputation because they earned it. They’ve declared war on non-combatants just minding their own damned business. They’re already arresting school children for political reasons. None of us are safe – even in our own homes.

Opening your mail, reading your email, looking at what sites you browse on the Internet, digging through your garbage in the dumpster. Why don’t these psychos get a real life and leave everyone else alone. The government has a bad reputation because they earned it. They’ve declared war on non-combatants just minding their own damned business. They’re already arresting school children for political reasons. None of us are safe – even in our own homes.

I am what I am ! ! ! I am a blood bought child of God Almighty and am sick and tired of lyin politicians wantin to keep a check on ME ! ! ! THEY need to be recorded and followed every step they take ! ! ! I have never harmed Anyone, and do not ever intend to, they on the other hand are responsible for the deaths of millions.

More BS from the 1984, V for Vendetta Fascists. Write your Congressman and tell them to oppose Patriot Act renewal!

Holder is in effect the real terrorist because he won’t prosecute War Crimes and is violating the Constitution every day. Seems like they are positioning themselves to lock people up because they know they are about to screw them and ruin the economy so when people wake up they will have to label them all radicals.

By now the government and corporations no longer give a d… about what is legal or illegal.
They do as they d… well please.
The are no checks and balances on corporations. What they do , how they do it. They tell the government what they may ask or look at.
The laws are for the little people and we are now controlled more than when our forefathers fought for our independence and rights from Britain.

They want you to be a slave or a serf in their new fiefdom where greed is a virtue. Obviously then 95% of Americans will be considered the enemy.

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Our ‘justice department does not care who did 9-11 or care that Halliburton and friends intentionally blew-out the GOM Maconda site. And they want to be able to tap everyones’ computers in case they get caught in graft or whatever.Shit.
Better check under those robes, people.

Our ‘justice department does not care who did 9-11 or care that Halliburton and friends intentionally blew-out the GOM Maconda site. And they want to be able to tap everyones’ computers in case they get caught in graft or whatever.Shit.
Better check under those robes, people.

Our ‘justice department does not care who did 9-11 or care that Halliburton and friends intentionally blew-out the GOM Maconda site. And they want to be able to tap everyones’ computers in case they get caught in graft or whatever.Shit.
Better check under those robes, people.

Our ‘justice department does not care who did 9-11 or care that Halliburton and friends intentionally blew-out the GOM Maconda site. And they want to be able to tap everyones’ computers in case they get caught in graft or whatever.Shit.
Better check under those robes, people.

[...] AFP via RawStory [...]

Looks to me like it is not a matter of prosecuting almost every crime, rather prosecuting EVERYTHING AS A CRIME.

It’s an opportunity to make some “security” company billions. Same as the airport scanners for Michael Chertoff. They pass a law and make us pay for the way to enforce it by mandating that we buy what their companies make.

If indeed we grant that his motives are noble, “the road to hell is paved with good intentions” comes to mind. Life is a messy business and the only way you can protect everyone is to lock them down tightly so as to prevent ANY motion. None on this earth have that kind of power, nor ever will.

[...] AFP Jan 26, 2011 [...]

Freedom.

[...] Justice Department seeks to have all web surfing tracked [...]

[...] http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/justice-department-web-surfing-tracked/ [...]

[...] AFP via RawStory [...]

[...] [Raw Story] [...]

[...] to shutdown net back in congress* doj seeks to have all web surfing tracked* mozilla proposes ‘do not track’ addition to firefox* google [...]

[...] RawStory [...]

[...] Raw Story/AFP [...]

US deputy assistant attorney general Jason Weinstein, enemy to free speech and the United States Constitution.

[...] He said Internet records are often “the only available evidence that allows us to investigate who committed crimes on the Internet.” (more) [...]